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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #100 on: 10 March, 2018, 10:31:00 am »
If every British PBP finisher posts their 600/PBP times, we should probably manage that!

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #101 on: 10 March, 2018, 11:46:02 am »
600 times are an unreliable guide to speed and fitness.

Prompted by this thread, I looked through a few old cards and surprised myself.  I've never beaten 31hrs, but 32 for a Brimstone 600 seems remarkably energetic.

In general, I prefer to get a good night's sleep on a 600, so I will usually be on the limit at around the 400k point.  That means that most of my times are between 36 and 39hrs. 

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #102 on: 10 March, 2018, 07:02:11 pm »
37.5 and just shy of 89 hours

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #103 on: 10 March, 2018, 07:44:08 pm »
The correlation between 600 qualifier and finishing time is rather dependent on how you ride each event.  In 2015 I rode around the Kernow & SW (a rather hilly event) with Veloboy in a civilised 35 hours.  He went on to finish PBP in under 50 hours and I took a more leisurely 71 as I learnt from my 2011 experience that a couple of 5 hour sleeps around PBP was much more conducive to fun than trying and failing to achieve a brisk time.
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #104 on: 10 March, 2018, 11:50:39 pm »
If every British PBP finisher posts their 600/PBP times, we should probably manage that!

29 and 68 hours  ;D

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #105 on: 11 March, 2018, 12:02:37 am »
The correlation between 600 qualifier and finishing time is rather dependent on how you ride each event.  In 2015 I rode around the Kernow & SW (a rather hilly event) with Veloboy in a civilised 35 hours.  He went on to finish PBP in under 50 hours and I took a more leisurely 71 as I learnt from my 2011 experience that a couple of 5 hour sleeps around PBP was much more conducive to fun than trying and failing to achieve a brisk time.

I've never managed to better 72hrs (2011).

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #106 on: 11 March, 2018, 12:44:44 am »
40hrs
90hrs
No kidding [got the evidence Your Honour]
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Although, in reality I'd be the first to advocate some serious preparation.
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #107 on: 11 March, 2018, 08:39:37 am »
If every British PBP finisher posts their 600/PBP times, we should probably manage that!

29 and 68 hours  ;D

Thanks for your input  :thumbsup:


Hopefully someone smart+helpful is going to screen-scrape this lot and put them somewhere cool (spreadsheet etc). Otherwise we'll need another 100 page thread when this comes up in early 2019 ...
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #108 on: 11 March, 2018, 11:39:25 am »
Shai Shrpung's list of UK riders in 2015 could form the basis of that. Interesting now for the age details. My own DNF was planned, as I had medical issues, but wanted action-cam footage of the ride to Mortagne.

http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=list&cc=GB

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #109 on: 11 March, 2018, 02:25:02 pm »


There's this list too. Which can be broken down into country etc at the top of the page.

http://axel-koenig.com/results/pbp2015

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #110 on: 11 March, 2018, 04:21:31 pm »
Before ESL gets Shai to add 600k times to that databse, I think we need some more clarity:

- Should I be posting my 2007 data, or 2011 too?

- Are we ignoring 400k times?

- What about times on other 1000k+ events - would they be helpful?
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #111 on: 11 March, 2018, 05:49:26 pm »
I tend to look at the 24 Hour distances of the riders. Comparing John Barkman with John Warnock is interesting. The top 24 hour riders can be assumed to be out for a time, and what they do at PBP is revealing of the factors governing that.

At the other end of the field, it can be seen that there are plenty of younger entrants who take close to 90 hours.

I also like to compare the data with narrative accounts, to see where the wheels come off a ride, and why. That tends to make me favour the writing of the people I've met, so I can give the appropriate weight to what they say. That's a difficult area for newcomers, as they can't always judge who to take seriously.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #112 on: 11 March, 2018, 09:05:24 pm »
600s differ somewhat.

The Pendle600 & the Flatlands are both 600s, but would we seriously expect a rider to complete both in the same time?

I’m not sure there’s a great deal of significance in the time it takes for a rider to ride a 600. All my 600k completion times have varied too much to be of use in this comparison. Sometimes I sleep, sometimes I don’t too, for instance.

There’s a lot of variation - even on the same ride in different years ...


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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #113 on: 11 March, 2018, 10:34:57 pm »
I’ve never done a 600k anywhere near the time I did Paris-Brest outbound in 2015.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #114 on: 11 March, 2018, 10:47:33 pm »
I’ve never done a 600k anywhere near the time I did Paris-Brest outbound in 2015.

Though it seems to be the case that one-way segments of longer rides are frequently quicker than the same distance as a complete event.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #115 on: 12 March, 2018, 11:51:54 am »
600 for me is a ride of two parts where i want some rest and sleep in between, so not really suitable to extrapolate pbp time. 400 can be finished on the same day, so i tend to push harder, similar effort as on pbp.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #116 on: 12 March, 2018, 12:28:46 pm »
So my fastest 600k time was on the Bryan Chapman in 2010 - about 36h20; a year later I did 36h35 on fixed.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #117 on: 12 March, 2018, 03:46:53 pm »
There was a club mate of mine who was over 70 when  he did PBP in  2011. He did the 400 in France and the group rode with all the strong riders pulling all the way and keeping it together. He claims he had a wheel the whole way. It was also pan flat in the west. So comparison of time has to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #118 on: 27 June, 2018, 08:23:24 am »
I was  just wondering, when do the 2019 calendar events go up on the AUK website, so that you can plan out which events we could use for qualifying?

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #119 on: 27 June, 2018, 09:14:35 am »
Here's a thought about adjusting for levels of climbing on different qualifiers.  The level of climbing on PBP is about 10,000m, which is equivalent to 5000m ascent on a 600km event.  So use this as a par time.

A really hilly 600km, with c 9000m of ascent takes me 8 hours more to complete than an average one, so add 1 hour for every 500m ascent in a 600km above 5000m ascent  and subtract one 1 hour for every 500m below 5000m ascent.  See how that works.  I'm not sure about the very flat ones - I think in some ways they are harder as there is no relief from pedalling.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #120 on: 27 June, 2018, 11:02:51 am »
I was  just wondering, when do the 2019 calendar events go up on the AUK website, so that you can plan out which events we could use for qualifying?

All BRM events are validated by Audax Club Parisien and have to be submitted to them by 31 October, so the final ones should be published shortly after that.

Some (not many) are available now, of course.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #121 on: 28 June, 2018, 08:37:56 am »
I was  just wondering, when do the 2019 calendar events go up on the AUK website, so that you can plan out which events we could use for qualifying?

All BRM events are validated by Audax Club Parisien and have to be submitted to them by 31 October, so the final ones should be published shortly after that.

Some (not many) are available now, of course.
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #122 on: 02 July, 2018, 06:58:25 am »
I was  just wondering, when do the 2019 calendar events go up on the AUK website, so that you can plan out which events we could use for qualifying?

When I've pulled my finger out, mine will appear in the calendar. I've to get the ACME Grand paperwork done and dusted, and Hereward in a couple of weeks, then it's next on my Organisers To-Do List.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #123 on: 05 July, 2018, 02:11:05 pm »
Im planning to put two events on, a 200 and a 600

The 200 will be a very flat (1,100m climbing if ridewithgps be believed) main road Bridge of Allan - North Berwick - Bridge of Allan with an Edinburgh start on Sun 20th January.  I don't think you could find a flatter 200 in Scotland.   

The 600 will be on 11/12 may with a Haymarket Edinburgh start at 0600. 

It will be a loop of around 365-370km (Edin - Perth - Montrose - Fettercairn - Kirrie - Dunning - Kinbuck - Edin) followed by a 230km loop (Edin - Dunblane - Comrie - Newburgh - Falkland - Kinross - Edin).  Again not hilly, 4,200m climbing overall again according to ridewithgps.  EDIT - and Im hoping to use Montys Bar as the arrivee  ;)

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #124 on: 05 July, 2018, 09:12:51 pm »
That 600 appeals, with the prospect of a bed at my parents' for the overnight. Not convinced about levering myself out on the Sunday morning, mind.