Author Topic: The Dambusters Remake - Doggy Dilemma (Read 16094 times)

Really Ancien · « **Reply #50 on:** 12 May, 2009, 06:03:53 pm »

......then Hedy Lamarr (Keira Knightly) stows away on Guy Gibson's (Damian Lewis) Lancaster to parachute into a top secret Nazi rocket factory to save her father (Liam Neeson) who's being forced to work on a wonder weapon.

Damon.

Zipperhead · « **Reply #51 on:** 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm »

But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?

Really Ancien · « **Reply #52 on:** 12 May, 2009, 07:30:09 pm »

Quote from: Zipperhead on 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm

But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?

He's the mentor of the young hot shot Afro-American pilot (Omar Epps), he flew the Atlantic before Lindbergh, but the story was suppressed, because Lindbergh (Ralph Fiennes) was a Grand Wizard in the Klu Klux Klan. (I hope Stephen Fry's getting this down, because it's box office gold.)

Damon.

Manotea · « **Reply #53 on:** 12 May, 2009, 07:30:50 pm »

Quote from: Zipperhead on 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm

But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?

Surely he has to be Guy?

Basil · « **Reply #54 on:** 12 May, 2009, 08:54:47 pm »

No, he should be Barnes Wallis.

Actually, no. Morgan Freeman should be Barnes Wallis.

Eccentrica Gallumbits · « **Reply #55 on:** 12 May, 2009, 09:53:33 pm »

Quote from: Really Ancien on 12 May, 2009, 07:30:09 pm

Quote from: Zipperhead on 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm
But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?
He's the mentor of the young hot shot Afro-American pilot (Omar Epps), he flew the Atlantic before Lindbergh, but the story was suppressed, because Lindbergh (Ralph Fiennes) was a Grand Wizard in the Klu Klux Klan. (I hope Stephen Fry's getting this down, because it's box office gold.)

Damon.

Will there be snakes on any of the Lancaster Bombers?

Bledlow · « **Reply #56 on:** 12 May, 2009, 10:14:04 pm »

Quote from: Jezza on 10 May, 2009, 06:30:09 pm

One of my best mates when I was living in Germany was a black American from Baltimore. Many of his friends were black ex-GIs, and as fellow English-speakers we 'hung out' together, as I believe they call it. They called each other 'nigger' all the time. But it wouldn't have felt right for me to start doing so. It wasn't that I have the PC terror of nice liberal Guardianistas squirming with terror at the prospect of being thought racist. I'm just not a member of that particular club, being white myself.

And I used to work with quadraplegics some of who habitually spoke of rasberries & cripples, but were a little sensitive to the words used by those with no physical disabilities.

citoyen · « **Reply #57 on:** 12 May, 2009, 10:28:51 pm »

If you're a black GI from Baltimore, I expect that calling fellow Black GIs from Baltimore "nigger" would probably be the natural thing to do, in much the same way that white boys from Essex call each other "mate".

If you're a white middle class boy from the home counties, such as I am, it would sound rather odd, regardless of how friendly you were with those black GIs.

Talking of Baltimore, you don't ever see any of the white faces in The Wire use the word nigger, except one street dealer who is the archetypal "wigga" and very much a figure of ridicule. For that matter, nor do any of the black people in positions of authority in the show (cops, politicians, teachers, religious leaders) use the word, even though it is a word that is uttered frequently.

Again, it all comes down to context.

d.

Séamas M. · « **Reply #58 on:** 12 May, 2009, 11:30:29 pm »

Quote from: Really Ancien on 12 May, 2009, 04:07:44 pm

... provides the inter-racial love interest with Hedy Lamarr

I think you meant Hedley Lamarr

Flying_Monkey · « **Reply #59 on:** 13 May, 2009, 11:15:45 am »

You all missed the key plot change, which is that the idea for the bouncing bomb really came about from Samuel J.'s character's love of shooting hoops on the Harlem blacktop... everyone knows white men can't play basketball.

Moloko · « **Reply #60 on:** 13 May, 2009, 11:17:33 am »

Quote from: Zipperhead on 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm

But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?

Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf**king snakes on this motherf**king plane!

alecstilleyedye · « **Reply #61 on:** 13 May, 2009, 11:20:31 am »

the dog will undoubtedly be renamed "person of color"…

LEE · « **Reply #62 on:** 13 May, 2009, 02:15:21 pm »

Quote from: Zipperhead on 12 May, 2009, 07:16:00 pm

But what part are you giving to Samuel L. Jackson?

Guy Gibson of course.

"Sit down Nigger" won't sound quite as offensive if he says it, in fact it could be taken as a polite invitation to take a seat in some parlance.

He could then go and strike down those damns in furious anger.

Really Ancien · « **Reply #63 on:** 13 May, 2009, 02:25:14 pm »

As with any joke, there is a serious underlying point to be made. Interesting that prior to 1939 there was a colour bar in the RAF

Quote

The "colour bar" or nationality disqualification was removed in the RAF in 1939; prior to this, signing up was limited to "British subjects of pure European descent".

         Heritage Royal Air Force museum showcases black and Asian pilots who battled for Britain |
            UK news |
            The Guardian


Damon.

Moloko · « **Reply #64 on:** 13 May, 2009, 02:26:00 pm »

Dam those motherf**ker damns!

Moloko · « **Reply #65 on:** 13 May, 2009, 03:17:12 pm »

One thing's for sure... The remake will have better special effects for the water spray off the bomb explosions.

Asterix, the former Gaul. · « **Reply #66 on:** 13 May, 2009, 06:51:59 pm »

Quote from: Deano on 07 May, 2009, 05:59:22 pm

There's an easy way around the dilemma: don't bother re-making it.

Gets my vote.

nuttycyclist · « **Reply #67 on:** 14 May, 2009, 12:48:09 am »

Other than this darn issue over the dog's name, I just want to know when Biggles, Algy and Ginger make an appearance.

Flying_Monkey · « **Reply #68 on:** 14 May, 2009, 09:52:28 am »

Quote from: Really Ancien on 13 May, 2009, 02:25:14 pm

As with any joke, there is a serious underlying point to be made. Interesting that prior to 1939 there was a colour bar in the RAF

Quite so. It's one of the reasons that I mentioned earlier that it would be a quite different 'history' should you chose to highlight such issues as opposed to the apparently simpler and more straightforward 'military history'...

Really Ancien · « **Reply #69 on:** 14 May, 2009, 11:47:07 am »

Quote from: Flying_Monkey on 14 May, 2009, 09:52:28 am

Quote from: Really Ancien on 13 May, 2009, 02:25:14 pm
As with any joke, there is a serious underlying point to be made. Interesting that prior to 1939 there was a colour bar in the RAF

Quite so. It's one of the reasons that I mentioned earlier that it would be a quite different 'history' should you chose to highlight such issues as opposed to the apparently simpler and more straightforward 'military history'...

The irony of the Second World War was that the British Empire went into it as a system founded on ideas of racial superiority, but it was only able to defeat more ruthless exponents of that doctrine, in Germany and Japan, by dismantling those racial barriers. The impact of the largest volunteer army the world has ever seen, raised in India and what became Pakistan, is rarely acknowledged. 50,000 Indian Army soldiers fought in Italy in WW2, nearly 6,000 died. They're still remembered in Italy, http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/27256/Editorial/18/20/18 It's ironic that the current BNP election literature focusses so much on the rights we have fought for without any real appreciation of the actual history, but rather through the rear view mirror of nostalgic black and white movies.

Damon.

LEE · « **Reply #70 on:** 14 May, 2009, 01:46:29 pm »

Quote from: Really Ancien on 14 May, 2009, 11:47:07 am

Quote from: Flying_Monkey on 14 May, 2009, 09:52:28 am
Quote from: Really Ancien on 13 May, 2009, 02:25:14 pm
As with any joke, there is a serious underlying point to be made. Interesting that prior to 1939 there was a colour bar in the RAF

Quite so. It's one of the reasons that I mentioned earlier that it would be a quite different 'history' should you chose to highlight such issues as opposed to the apparently simpler and more straightforward 'military history'...

The irony of the Second World War was that the British Empire went into it as a system founded on ideas of racial superiority, but it was only able to defeat more ruthless exponents of that doctrine, in Germany and Japan, by dismantling those racial barriers. The impact of the largest volunteer army the world has ever seen, raised in India and what became Pakistan, is rarely acknowledged. 50,000 Indian Army soldiers fought in Italy in WW2, nearly 6,000 died. They're still remembered in Italy, http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/27256/Editorial/18/20/18 It's ironic that the current BNP election literature focusses so much on the rights we have fought for without any real appreciation of the actual history, but rather through the rear view mirror of nostalgic black and white movies.

Damon.

I heard that the BNP aren't fond of Black & White movies

Flying_Monkey · « **Reply #71 on:** 14 May, 2009, 02:04:25 pm »

Quote from: LEE on 14 May, 2009, 01:46:29 pm

I heard that the BNP aren't fond of Black & White movies

They have trouble with pianos and zebra crossings too...

Adam · « **Reply #72 on:** 14 May, 2009, 07:24:49 pm »

Quote from: Really Ancien on 14 May, 2009, 11:47:07 am

The impact of the largest volunteer army the world has ever seen, raised in India and what became Pakistan, is rarely acknowledged. 50,000 Indian Army soldiers fought in Italy in WW2, nearly 6,000 died.

Whilst possibly some of the public might not be aware, I remember it from my history lessons 29 years ago, and it is covered in some detail in the current National Curriculum in Year 11.

rogerzilla · « **Reply #73 on:** 10 June, 2011, 03:57:03 pm »

Arse.

BBC News - Dam Busters dog renamed for movie remake

citoyen · « **Reply #74 on:** 10 June, 2011, 04:08:36 pm »

I heard Stephen Fry talking about this on the radio last week. This has probably been mentioned upthread already but he mentioned that the dog's name was also used as a codeword for the operation.

In the original film, the dog's death was portrayed as a hit-and-run incident but Fry also pointed out that in reality the driver stopped at the scene and brought the dog's body back to the base.

d.