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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2100 on: 15 March, 2012, 10:18:06 am »
"The child was too small to know their own address" for instance.

In this example, is this like we have in mainland Europe where their is the third person you not the second person you, which means it could be plural or just formal singular?

Kind of.

For people, there's nothing wrong with using "their" as a gender-neutral third-person singular, but a rock group isn't a person, so if you're treating it as a singular entity, the appropriate third-person singular possessive pronoun would be "its".

"I is learning our songs" makes as much sense grammatically.

Not that it matters. It's still a damn fine song.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2101 on: 15 March, 2012, 09:47:31 pm »
We have a new kettle at work, an Intelliboil kettle. You can set it to three different cut off temperatures, 100, 95 and 85 - in case you don't need water actually at boiling, say for coffee or herbal teas.*

There's a little cardboard chart hanging up in the kitchen explaining the three settings.  It says that setting it to 85 degrees "saves up to 15% less energy"

Um no. It either uses less energy, or it saves more.  Saving less energy is not generally a selling point...

*all meaningless at the moment anyway, since our water system recently showed a bacterial build up, and we can't drink the water without boiling it.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2102 on: 15 March, 2012, 10:04:06 pm »
It's probably a deliberate phrase. "Saves up to 15% less energy than claimed in our advertising."  :D  :-\
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2103 on: 15 March, 2012, 10:30:13 pm »
I had to turn round and go back to check whether I'd really seen it.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2104 on: 16 March, 2012, 09:43:03 am »
There's a little cardboard chart hanging up in the kitchen explaining the three settings.  It says that setting it to 85 degrees "saves up to 15% less energy"

Um no. It either uses less energy, or it saves more.  Saving less energy is not generally a selling point...
Bzzzt. Sorry Arch, but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their grammar.  ;)

(For me, it's the widespread use of "... upto  X%!" that grates the most. Again, nothing wrong with the grammar, so one for another thread some day ... )
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2105 on: 16 March, 2012, 10:01:47 am »
Sometimes it's just a typo. :-[
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2106 on: 16 March, 2012, 10:06:33 am »
I had to turn round and go back to check whether I'd really seen it.

If you live there, do you have to use the road sign rendition?
Is it round the back of a greengrocer's?

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2107 on: 16 March, 2012, 10:26:13 am »
I had to turn round and go back to check whether I'd really seen it.

If you live there, do you have to use the road sign rendition?
Is it round the back of a greengrocer's?

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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2108 on: 16 March, 2012, 11:06:44 am »
For me, it's the widespread use of "... upto  X%!" that grates the most.

I guess you see that alot. I notice that many commonly paired words are now being written as one, perhaps it is language development, just as to day became to-day and now we write today.

Noone has any standards anymore.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2109 on: 16 March, 2012, 11:08:49 am »

Noone has any standards anymore.


He never did. Them Hermits were rubbish.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2110 on: 16 March, 2012, 11:39:54 am »
I guess you see that alot. I notice that many commonly paired words are now being written as one, perhaps it is language development, just as to day became to-day and now we write today.

I've been getting alot of intriguing misprints in e-books recently which I suspect to be the fault of a particularly dim spell checker.  The first part of a word is instead appended to the previous word.  Both words are real, but the sentence becomes completely nonsensical.

Then there was the "Author's Notes" section in which the syllable "ind" had been replaced throughout with "notes" ???
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2111 on: 16 March, 2012, 11:41:58 am »
Possibly the ultimate, nuclear option, office prank if someone leaves their PC unlocked is to go into Word and set up AutoCorrect to replace "Chief Executive" with "Twat", etc.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2112 on: 16 March, 2012, 12:15:37 pm »

Noone has any standards anymore.


He never did. Them Hermits were rubbish.

 ;D

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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2113 on: 16 March, 2012, 12:18:18 pm »
Then there was the "Author's Notes" section in which the syllable "ind" had been replaced throughout with "notes" ???

Ah yes, the perils of universal find-and-replace...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/07/christian_sites_ban_on_g_word.html

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2114 on: 20 March, 2012, 10:37:33 pm »
Metonomy. There was a cracker in The Budget Conjecture bit of PM this evening, "No10 picked it up and ran with it".

Who is the Government's outside half?

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2115 on: 21 March, 2012, 12:07:44 pm »
The word is sliver not slither.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2116 on: 21 March, 2012, 12:11:48 pm »
The word is sliver not slither.
Yes, that's been a popular one for about a year now.  Another common one, usually on find a house type programmes, is where the presenter invites the people to wonder around.  I wander what could be meant?

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Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2117 on: 23 March, 2012, 11:57:20 am »
Seen at Uni today.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2118 on: 23 March, 2012, 12:08:08 pm »
Seen at Uni today.


That's another USAnian habit. An apostrophe isn't entirely unreasonable there as there are missing letters (as PC is an abbreviation) but it is considered poor style in English English.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2119 on: 23 March, 2012, 02:39:19 pm »
An apostrophe isn't entirely unreasonable there as there are missing letters (as PC is an abbreviation) ...

Should it not be consistent, ie. P'C's?
This is English we're talking about and you want consistency? :D


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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2120 on: 25 March, 2012, 04:10:50 pm »
It's PC gorn mad!
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2121 on: 25 March, 2012, 06:58:34 pm »
;D  Andrij.  I pronounce you Complete and Utter GIT   :thumbsup:

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #2122 on: 25 March, 2012, 10:15:54 pm »
Great video's in a learning centre!



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