10 speed touring bikes

[LittleWheelsandBig]

My TRS30 Moulton comes stock with drop bars, Campag levers and mechs and Stronglight triple crank (58/48/34). Running a wide range cassette (stock is 11-25) would cause problems, though 11-27 is fine.

[Viking]

Shimano 9 speed MTB rear mechs work perfectly well with Shimano road STI 10 speed levers.  I have Ultegra 6703 10 speed sti levers, Ultegra 6703 10 speed front mech, Shimano XT M771 9 speed rear mech with SRAM 12-32 10 speed cassette and Stronglight Impact triple with 48/36/24 rings.  All this on my tourer/audax bike.  Works a treat.

[mrcharly-YHT]

The question is about *new* kit, not mixing with old kit.

I'm trying to get a list of what new kit could be combined to give touring-low gears on new 10spd kit.

[tiermat]

Is this not where Deore LX is now, then? Low tooth count chainrings (relatively speaking), higher large rear cog (32/34/36) and oh-oh flat bar shifters, but aren't the mechs are made to work with the pull of drop bar shifters.

[Biggsy]

aren't the mechs are made to work with the pull of drop bar shifters.

Not in all cases.

[Biggsy]

The question is about *new* kit, not mixing with old kit.

Fair enough and good to investigate new kit, but you may well find it easier with some new old stock*, so I think you'd be wise to keep all options open.

* Not ancient, just year or two old will help in some cases.  Hopefully other forumers will help you with the details.

[Sergeant Pluck]

The question is about *new* kit, not mixing with old kit.

I'm trying to get a list of what new kit could be combined to give touring-low gears on new 10spd kit.

The question is about *new* kit, not mixing with old kit.

I'm trying to get a list of what new kit could be combined to give touring-low gears on new 10spd kit.

In short, for Shimano, what I found was that there is no bar end or STI shifter that will correctly index a Dynasys rear mech across a Dynasys cassette (i.e. new Shimano MTB 10 speed). There are differences in both cable pull required for the mech and cog spacing, as compared with road kit. 

[tiermat]

Having done a bit of reading and research I think that Shimano are going in the right direction, but slowly.

Example one:

2013 Sora (3500) is now available in "Super compact" 46/34 double.  It's STIs will operate Vs, mini-V, canti, roller brakes and calipers, thanks to a mode converter shim.

Meanwhile Tourney (A070), though still only 6/7 speed has gained STIs, so potentially scope to mix and match, even if the Tourney STIs are pig ugly!

Oh and 6700 gains a wider range, the 6700-A RD can now do up to 30 teeth (before the max was 28), again a faint glimmer of hope!

[mattc]

What?!? Are you saying we can buy brand-new 6 SPEED STIs ?!?

Blimey.

[tiermat]

What?!? Are you saying we can buy brand-new 6 SPEED STIs ?!?

Blimey.

That's progress for you

Or Shimano's gateway drug....

[Specializta]

Oh and 6700 gains a wider range, the 6700-A RD can now do up to 30 teeth (before the max was 28), again a faint glimmer of hope!

That's the Ultegra one right? For reference the same goes for new Tiagra and 105. I've had bikes with each, both fitted with 12-30 cassettes.

[marcusjb]

This could be an interesting groupset for tourers - 8-speed, doubles and triples (but Shimano's silly 50/39/30 setup rather than anything silly low).  Up to 32 tooth on the cassette. And flat bar or drop bar shifters.

Looks quite nice as well.   

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/shimano-claris-groupset-first-look-36427/

[mzjo]

This could be an interesting groupset for tourers - 8-speed, doubles and triples (but Shimano's silly 50/39/30 setup rather than anything silly low).  Up to 32 tooth on the cassette. And flat bar or drop bar shifters.

Looks quite nice as well.   

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/shimano-claris-groupset-first-look-36427/

That's the one I want!! Never did see the point of 10v, don't even like the idea of 9v. At long last a replacement for my 600 levers when they wear out!

[marcusjb]

Bloody awful name for a group set though "yeah, my bike has a Claris drivetrain"

Poor old 105 is now the only road group set with numbers now (yes, I know it is technically things like Ultegra 6700). Maybe they'll rename 105 something rubbish along the same lines as Claris.

But a great looking group set that should see applications for many people.

[bikenrrd]

Maybe they'll rename 105 something rubbish along the same lines as Claris.

Hannibal?

[Cudzoziemiec]

Perhaps Shimano are entering the music biz?

http://www.jpopasia.com/group/claris/


Probably not quite the image you wanted for your touring bike. 

[clarion]

Yeah, next they'll be renaming 600 something crappy that sounds like a third rate service company.  Oh, I dunno...Ultegra or something.

[GrahamG]

I gather all the 10 speed sram mtb/road stuff is interchangeable - the wife has tourist gears using apex shifters & rear mech (11-32) plus an MTB double (26/40) using a shimano crankset and sram x5 mtb mech. Personally, I'll just stick with bar end levers and give up indexing if needs be.

[tiermat]

I gather all the 10 speed sram mtb/road stuff is interchangeable - the wife has tourist gears using apex shifters & rear mech (11-32) plus an MTB double (26/40) using a shimano crankset and sram x5 mtb mech. Personally, I'll just stick with bar end levers and give up indexing if needs be.

<Thinks> I wonder, then, if the front mechs are compatible with STIs, AIUI some SRAM and Shimano are interchangeable.  If so it could solve a niggling issue I have on the inbred...

[Biggsy]

"Claris"?  As if Campag fans need any more ammunition to take this piss out of $himaNO! 

Perhaps Shimano are entering the music biz?

http://www.jpopasia.com/group/claris/


Probably not quite the image you wanted for your touring bike. 

Jimmy Savile would have wanted it.