Must be nearly time to declare. Waiting for Prior to get a century? Or Broad, the way he's slogging it.
Draw anyone? :-\That's what I was thinking when I left work ...
Well done our lads!
KP (asked about an English dessert):Well done our lads!
I didn't know you were South African, Matt.
Test 2.73, as it turned out - Broad hit 64 of 66 balls before Harbajhan got him.
England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?
200 partnership by Broad and Swann anyone? ;)
Test 2.
England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?
No announcement here about what's going on.
...and England are pushing the lead up to "impossible" territory. It's already over 300, and according to stats on TMS earlier, the average fourth innings total at Trentbridge is about 140.
Still on a train.
Relying on you guys to keep me up to date.
...I think they've dropped TWO catches now. No doubt the Indians are filled with confidence. ;)
And a first ball drop too.
Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?
107-7
I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?
107-7
I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.In terms of runs scored, no I don't think it made that much of a difference particularly when you take the Bresnan/Broad partnership into account but, as Mr. Tesco says, "Every Little Helps". I'd like to think that it might serve to silence some of Bell's critics, but my hopes aren't high.
Didn't Bell only manage another 22-ish? Not really match-changing, was it?
If Trott is injured for the next test, there must be a case for playing Bell at 3, replacing Trott with Tremlett, and playing 5 bowlers. I don't think any of the bowlers are good enough batsmen to be considered all-rounders in their own right, but cumulatively I'd say they make up for one batsman.
... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
Squad rotation is healthy, as it keeps everyone's hand in. Best not to go TOO mad with it, mind!
FTFY.... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
For one thing, a lot of it is luck. Then there's consistency - noone should be safe after 1 good game if they haven't been consistent in the past or their name is Kevin Pietersen
You're missing the context, Matt ...No, I was just giving my opinion on dropping a player who has played a blinder! I didn't mean anything against the 'Deano 11' :)
India 60-3 before lunch, Tendulkar out for 1.I'm not sure about everything, but the important things are looking good.
Yep, forget the looting, everything's fine in our great country.
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:
A Mishra
I Sharma
Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?
(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:
A Mishra
I Sharma
Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?
(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )
Interesting moment in TMS box as @tmsscorer reveals that "GROTTY COFFEE BOY" is an anagram of Geoffrey Boycott to Geoffrey Boycott.
I'd be most surprised if the bookies were offering less than 100-1 against that.
The best of the anagrams was read out right at the end of play. "Sachin Tendulkar" goes to "And I Lack The Runs".
Cook's got his 250, Morgan made a ton. Currently 627-6 :thumbsup:
England's highest total in Test history was the 903-7 declared vs the Aussies at the Oval in 1938 (oh for a time-travel machine). 2nd: 849 vs West Indies, Kingston 1930.
17:30
Eng 687-6
Almost impossible for Tim Bresnan to see anything out there - just enough to smash Sharma through cover with the timing and grace of a chunky Lara. No point in England declaring now, you'd feel, because if it's "dangerous" for a team closing in on 700 to bat, you shudder to think how the ICC might describe conditions for a team facing the new ball, three pace bowlers and a deficit of 463
What's the daily over quota? 90?
That is a monumentally stupid decision from the umpires. Brainless.
>:(
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
There's a lot of turn in the pitch now, so if I were Swann I'd be disappointed if I didn't managed to bag at least a couple of wickets.This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.
Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.
Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
Boycott was dropped for slow scoring in the 1960s after a double century.I can just about remember when England's opening partnership was .... Boycott and Tavare.
Edit: 246 not out against India at Headingley in 1967.
It's a great triumph for Essex, in the same way as the 1966 football world cup was a great triumph for West Ham. O:-)
Top of the World. Woot!!
Top of the World. Woot!!
And a distraction from this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/14498107.stm ;) ;D
I'm left with a feeling of anti-climax.
Just how can India be so bad?
From Sammy in Edinburgh: "One does not quaff champagne. To quaff is to drink with such abandon that up to 50% (in rare cases more!) fails to reach the intended recipient's stomach and instead finds sanctuary in their beard, on their person, in their lap, on a table, the floor, the beard or person of another or alternatively somewhere it shouldn't have even been possible to reach. The best example of quaffers are dwarfs."
"That's their seventh innings victory in their last 13 Tests."TMS
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.Listening to it on 5 Live at the moment - up until Swann came in it sounded more like a bloody massacre than a cricket match.
Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.
There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.
Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.
There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
I'm there! It's a bit quiet.
Really?!(click to show/hide)
could have been worse
Really?!(click to show/hide)
could have been worse
Another spoiler ..(click to show/hide)
I was driving and so restricted to long wave.
Yet again a match finishes during the shipping forecast.
It's getting almost wierd.
Oh, I don't know, it's not so bad.
It's kind of reasurring to get back on familar ground once again.
All this stuff about being the No1 team in the world always sounded a bit of an odd concept to get ones head round :)
I thought I'd resurrect this thread given that England, needing 191 to win, are 10 for 2. :oWhich is how much it costs to get in tomorrow. £10 that is. For anyone local enough with the time and interest, bargain.
Hanging in the balance - if we have a decent stand now it may be enough. I think the WI may get this one.Another sterling innings from Pietersen, I notice ::-)
"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
England actually looking in a good position now... (atm)Actually, I rather like cold pizza :)
Do you reckon Strauss has done enough?
From guardian...Quote"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?About 2 minutes ago
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?Don't panic WB! Your beloved England may still pull through! Stop being such a pessimist - I'm sure you can find some good news to post :)
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and oneFixed that for you ;)doubletriple century for SA. Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and oneFixed that for you ;)doubletriple century for SA. Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Saffers take 20 wickets where England could only manage 2....
Massive statistic.
No.
No.
I don't think so either, especially since Eng. are now two wickets down.
Garry, you're not a surgeon or a pilot are you? Don't think i'd want you to be listening to such a gripping match in the circs.!
[looks round at living environment]
Nah...no need to worry about that.
The application of paint is affected by very little!
Nice easy warm down next over the winter....against India. In India :)
aren't there still some one day games to be played ?
well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return
Indeed. I suspect a cushy job as a pundit/commentator now awaits.well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return
I thought he'd announced his retirement from all forms of cricket. Not much chance of a return to form if that's the case.
I know there isn't a direct connection, but today I think Pietersen is a knob more strongly than I did yesterday. And yesterday I thought he was a massive knob.I think I'll stick with 'arrogant prick'.
Let's just say, "Thanks!"
Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.
Therein lies the problem - we're playing India in India and our record over there is less than stellar (just as well we're not playing Sri Lanka too!). Whilst I'm sure that Cook knows what to expect, the bigger worry is that the ECB, in their infinite wisdom, will replace him with someone else when we invariably take a subcontinental pounding.Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.
Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces. Still, good luck to him.
There should be a "move topic" button at the bottom left. Odd place for it, really.
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.
Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him [Cooke] coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces.
Don't you only get Boxing Day tests in Australia?
And now Cook's got his 23rd Test century, becoming England's most prolific century maker ever.
Alastair Cook has beaten Tendulka's record to become youngest person to reach 7000 test runs.Stats are wonderful things.
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
Is this another wicket? Gambhir pushed at Swann, who went up for the LBW, but as he did so Trott took a low catch at slip and set off in celebration. The umpires went upstairs, presumably to check if it carried, which it did – but Gambhir did not hit it. The problem is that the third umpire cannot overrule on that; his only remit is to determine whether it carried. Gambhir has been not out. This is really controversial. Surely the third umpire can only rule on whether it carried? It appears the third umpire may have taken the law into his hands. Ultimately it's the right decision – Gambhir didn't hit it – although that's not the point. Unless we're missing something really obvious, which can't be ruled out, England have been stitched up there. You can't have the third umpire making it up as he goes along.
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the
No when a catch is referred to the Third Umpire the laws also require the Third umpire to check if it was a legal delivery (no ball) and if it is a fair catch. Obviously it can't be a fair catch if the player didn't hit it.I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the
That's ridiculous. So you could have a situation where an umpire talks to the third umpire and might say something like "Well, was he out?" and the third umpire, who has seen something else has to lie and say "No" even though he can see the batsman clearly was.
Might as well scrap it and go back to the old fashioned way of umpiring....
Anyone know if their score of 330-ish is any good on this pitch?
Pessimism is the natural state for England fans, isn't it? They scratch their way to a semi-respectable score, then the opposition comes to smack it around with ease and turn the scoreboard over to 700-5 before declaring and bowling England out for 72. Uusually.
In this match, though, it sounds as though our bowlers got a lot more out of the pitch than the Indian bowlers.
Anyone know a good YouTube channel for highlights? The damn Sky monopoly is getting annoying.
I clicked on that and was bombarded with spam.
Considering England are 2-1 up in the series and this match is clearly heading for a draw - I'd say a series defeat is still the most likely outcome for India!
Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?
Vic remarked that his test average would be higher than any other Yorkshireman (and one Yorkshireman in particular).Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?
Ah! My mistake, I got a bit carried away after reading "Vic has noticed that if Root can get to 27 not out by the close, he'll have a Test average of 100"
I was watching 'Sports Personality...' last night and it occured to me that, wonderful though this sporting year has been, after losing the first Test and losing the toss in Mumbai, this turnaround is as big and unlikely a triumph as anything celebrated last night.
Cook's taking over has reset the team. They're like a computer that has been turned off and turned on again - still basically the same machine but apparently free of the various bugs and glitches that were riddling them by the end of last summer.
I've heard a theory that India only win after winning the toss.
;)
Nothing to worry about.
Nothing to worry about.
I'd be hesitant to suggest that something has changed in English cricket over the last 15 years or so. Forget the number one rating that we held for a while [I'm sure that's not the case now], but what is heartening is a change in mentality in the face of things going wrong. Collapses used to follow collapses. How many of those did we used to see? But these days, a bad day at the office doesn't necessarily mean that it's all over for the rest of the series.
South African ...Are people still banging on about this? Or about 'foreigners' in other walks of life?
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't. It's just a curiosity, that's all.I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't. It's just a curiosity, that's all.I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.
It's like casually noting numbers of goals scored by Newcastle's black players vs their white teammates.
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...
You gave me a shock then! You make it sound like he's dead! (He is alive and well at 83 :) )
Having said that, I think there was sometimes a certain amount of embellishment to some of Arlott's stories.
Yes, that was superb and I agree Bill McLaren was excellent, though in fairness to John Arlott, I don't think he'd have been eligible for Scotland, would he?
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.
The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.
The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.
Is he Sehwag's replacement? Not a bad sub to have.
Australia may be regretting dropping their best bowler.
They have done it :o :D
Shades of Cardiff.
Aussies not doing so well...
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/poms-gloat-as-australian-cricket-team-becomes-a-global-laughing-stock-20130312-2fxa9.html
I'm not gloating... O:-)
I'm not gloating... O:-)
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease. Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in. ;D
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease. Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in. ;D
I heard that on TMS. Michael Vaughan is incredibly patronising towards Panesar.
Yusuf Pathan just given out for obstructing the field in the IPL match between KKR and Pune. Never seen that before although I knew of the rules existence. Look out for it on YT.
Twice in test cricket...
Twice in test cricket...
But both in the same match...
It seems rather vague as to whether it counts as a dismissal or not. It seems that it does so far as the batting averages are concerned.That seems to make sense, in that "retiring" everytime you score (say) 105 but are a bit knackered might be a great way to boost your official average.
I would imagine "Retired Dead" would probably count as out.
Ian Peebles
If you're going to go missing mid-match, you might as well make a splash, which is exactly what legspinner Peebles did during a minor game at the end of England's 1927-28 tour of South Africa. "As our batsmen were well entrenched I went with a couple of local lads to bathe in a nearby river," he recalled. "The time passed more quickly than we had calculated, and when I got back, we were in the field and I was soundly and properly berated by Ronny [Stanyforth, the captain]. However, no one was more amused than he when next day the Cape Times in their score of the match had a line: 'Peebles absent bathing 0', an entry surely unique in the scorebooks of the world."
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Heard yesterday on TMS:
Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Heard yesterday on TMS:
Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?
;D
Not a bad morning today.
Mind you, I've just flicked over for a bit of biff, bang, POW!! from India and much as my dream is to follow England round the Caribbean, that ground at Dharamsala with the Himalayas as the backdrop is stunning. That's on my bucket list now. Miles from anywhere though.
New Zealand are 21-4!And he's gone. ;D
...But McCullum's in. I'm worried about McCullum.
I hope so - I want to go for a bike ride.go on then, have a good ride.
That was brutal by Broad, Anderson and the whole team. I'm pleased they've remembered how to crush opposition. Australia should be worried.
I'd say extra batting practice was the main reason for not enforcing the follow on...
Heavy rain is forecast almost all day tomorrow. I doubt that England can win this in the time available.
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?
Given too many wickets away in the last 5 minutes :'(
Oh well.Seems I'm wrong about that.
Up next - real criggid.
:thumbsup:
Oh well.Know what you mean though - roll on the Ashes... :)
Up next - real criggid.
:thumbsup:
Wait, the first test starts today! I still think of test matches starting on Thursdays.
Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough. worse most of the batsmen got themselves out rather than were got out by the bowler.Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.
At this rate, we might well find out before the day's out!
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough.
Yes but they fooled us all by calling up a young 19 year old batsman who bowls left arm spin, calling him a bowler and sending him in at 11. he'll be batting 8 by the end of the series at this rate.
Roll out your favourite cliches:
need one good partnership, early wickets important, bowl in the right areas ... yada yada ...
What was this stumping chance the commentators were mumbling about earlier?
I'm really not keen on all this referral nonsense...Me neither.
And always wait for the umpire's decision before walking :P
For me, one of the pleasures of cricket is that in some ways it can be remarkably subtle, and in others, remarkably simple. One of the simplicities is that the umpire decides when people are out (referals notwithstanding).Now, this isn't my sport, but ... I'm pretty sure a batsman can choose to walk, and the ump doesn't have to do a thing. This can save the official any angst with those decisions where the batsman is best positioned to know (e.g. will always know if he did nick a ball).
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!
If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.
There will be many saying that the Broad incident "evens out" the Agar stumping that wasn't given.If he doesn't score >97 can we still claim the moral high ground?!?
Whoah, just saw the Broad appeal. I'm amazed he wasn't given out!
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!
If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.
A very similar thing happened to Adam Gilchrest in Australia 10+ years ago against the West Indies. Only he walked. The press went mental at him for not waiting for the umpire....
Me too. Broad put the umpire in a difficult position
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?
Me too. Broad put the umpire in a difficult position
No, Broad didn't put the umpire anywhere - the umpire did that by missing an easy decision. And the Aussies fucked up by mis-using their reviews.
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?
That's exactly his job description
maybe Peter, but the other two made 0 & 5 not what I would call inspiring. I know the Australians didn't do much better but you usually find that what ever we do the ozzies do better, I go along with what they were saying on TMS yesterday about how the style & shot selection has changed since the introduction of the shorter matches, players get into the one day game mode and find it hard to change to the 5 day game. either way today will be very interesting.Well it was you who criticised our top "4" batters...
In other news Denmark, yes they do play stickball* in Denmark**, has won against Isle of Man in a ICC Europe Division One Twenty20 tournament.Well Italy the winner of group A beat Denmark winner of group B in the final today, oh bother. But pretty good going for DK with playing semi final at 1400 and a final to play at 1830.
Two for two, top of Group B (http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/DATABASE/2013/TOURNAMENTS/EURODIV1/resultsB.shtml) - what what, jolly good show!
*) why it is called cricket when there is 12 sticks and no crickets in this game?
**) and I have just learnt that Denmark has played stickball since 1866.
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.
DRS is fine. Both teams know the rules so both have the same opportunities.
Of greater intrigue to me is Hotspot. Is it really infallible? Could a batsman play a shot then run his gloved hand down the edge of his bat and confuse it perhaps? When and how is the Hotspot image captured?
Love it! :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: That was close. Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.
Each team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.
When and how is the Hotspot image captured?
:thumbsup: That was close. Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.
I might be misunderstanding you but that's how it works now.Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_SystemEach team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.
Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?
I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.
Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?
I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.
England received apologies from the International Cricket Council and the founder of the Hot Spot thermal imaging technology after the dismissal of Jonathan Trott for his first golden duck in Test cricket had marred another memorable day of Ashes cricket in Nottingham.
...
Meanwhile Warren Brennan, a New Zealander who adapted the Hot Spot technology for cricket, contacted the ESPN Cricinfo website to confirm Sky's claim that the "glitch" which cost Trott his wicket was down to "operator error".
Brennan explained that the operator in question had not "triggered the system for the Trott delivery" because he was waiting to offer a replay of the previous ball from which Joe Root was given caught behind down the leg side. Root was left to regret his failure not to call for a review, as those replays showed no proof that he had edged Mitchell Starc's delivery.
A century for Bell :thumbsup:
GROAN... :hand:
GROAN... :hand:
The England higher order batsmen, esp Cook n'Root, are being carried by Bell atm. They need to get a grip soon really, IMHO.
This is the type of afternoon session dreams are made of for England. After playing and missing, then hammering an angry four to the midwicket boundary, Michael Clarke plays all around Stuart Broad's attempted yorker and is pinned in front. As the umpire raises his finger, Clarke considers whether to review. And remembers he can't. Off you go, Michael.
...but I imagine the tail will wag. As usual....
Tuffers good. Vaughan not so much; too chavvy.
I used to think Blowers was great for TMS but I think his time might just be up.
McGrath is a welcome addition though.
Boycott is fine in short doses but sometimes he gets too long and it's all just a bit too much.
It evens out. Cook had an amazing series in India when all about him were collapsing, Root scored a century against New Zealand and looked good and has just started opening.
England still look capable of collapsing, but nowadays it's rare for one of the top order not to score a century. I remember when fifties were celebrated, and centuries (even in defeat) were harped upon like victories.
Tuffers having a chat about how he'd had a chat with the head groundsman. "I was just talking to Mike Hunt, and...". Him and Aggers did exceedingly well to keep control, you could hear the effort it was taking. ;D
Not since 1890 have England won the first two Tests of a home Ashes series. They have never before won an Ashes Test by so many runs in this country, and only once by more overseas. To do it at the spiritual home of the game, where Australia had only lost twice in more than a century, makes it dreamier still.
Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority?
While I'm very happy with the result, I feel very sorry for Agar, who might have pulled at least respectability out of Australia's sorry bag. He was clearly not out. It was fair enough for England to appeal if they heard something, though I'm surprised none of them noticed that he didn't hit it. But the strange thing is that the adjudicator decided he must have been out because he heard a sound. As I understand it, that's not what the referral system is for; it is to put right an obvious mistake, which this wasn't. Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority? What is the nationality of the adjudicator? I imagine he must be a neutral?
So, 328 to avoid the follow-on. I'm not sure I fancy England to get that!
I think you mean the combined Rain dance of the English dressing room has been successful. The Glorious British Summer has reverted to type enabling us to escape the clutches of a well performing Aussie team, who finally batted properly this test and put pressure on our fragile batting lineup.my support for england was bought into question the other day when I dared to mention mediocre opening english batsmen, my comment still stands, the next 2 tests will be interesting, Australia still have to prove they're better than us and we have to prove we would have won anyway.
I hardly think winning the ashes by default removes the need for us to prove that we are as good as we say, if it wasn't for the intervention of the weather we would have lost today. there are still many of our players not firing on all 4 cylinders.
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.
Conversely if they had pulled out earlier and the light held Engalnd could have been 100 for 1 at the close chasing 275 and then the Aussies would have been up against it yesterday, particularly if the weather held. I doubt Clarke would have wanted to go down in Aussie cricketing history as the captain who declared twice in an Ashes match and LOST.
Bad weather (light and rain) will always be a potential factor in cricket by they are inherently uncertain and making declarations on the assumption that the weather will take away time is as likely to come back and bite you as be the inspired captaincy.
What would we do without Ian Bell?!
299 to win. Wonder what the odds are (most bookies are blocked from work).I imagine they're a lot shorter now Aus are 98-0
I agree, bobb. It would be an outstanding performance if Australia were to win from here.
..... the collapse will come!
Hmmm 80 - 0. I'm not worried though - the collapse will come!
If Bell gets man of the series on Monday I think everybody will have a job to remember what it was for, including himself.
I don't fancy our chances of keeping hold of the Ashes this winter, might be worth checking out the prices at William Hill
Mrs Ant is finally getting the hang of it. When Trott was given out she asked "Is he going to send that upstairs then?" 8)Ah, but did she think it was out? ;)
4 overs left, 21 runs required and 5 wickets down, would have been proper edge of the seat stuffIf I hadn't posted on FacePalm words to the effect that I thought Trott and Pietersen were taking the Aussies to the cleaners we'd probably still be 3 down ;D
So we've all agreed the ICC are evil little shits who owe £50K to our supporters at the Oval. But:
Does the safety of the fielding side come into any of this? Discuss.
(I really don't know the answer ... I can't remember enough 'disputed' bad light decisions, and i've never seen one in the flesh.)
After their display in the first innings, it was only just that they ran out of time. No sympathy here whatsoever.Mikey Vaughan read out a great tweet during the run chase - something like:
Zimbabwe have recorded a landmark Test victory by beating Pakistan by 24 runs in Harare to draw the series 1-1.BBC
Good effort, that, I thought.;D
Any coomments from Shane Warne?
Hanif Mohammed scores 499 in 1957 but that wasn't a test. Majid Khan?
Dravid? Gavaskar? Tendulkar?
I keep thinking about Archie McLaren's 424 against Somerset in 1895, which remained the highest score in English cricket for 99 years. I couldn't tell you who broke it though.
Normal service has been resumed. >:(I saw a link on the front page of the Beeb's website - I stopped reading after 'England collapse' ....
Well, at least the idiots having a go at Cookie can't blame him for that one.
So who are the other 26? Can we get them all without any Googling at all? I'll start with some really obvious ones with scores I can remember off the top of my head:
So much for going down to Trent Bridge today - the humidity was so bad last night I hardly slept and I'd have been in no state to face the M1 :(
Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS :oReminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket :o
I have a vague recollection of Graham Thorpe (of all people) doing something similar - don't think he ended up taking a wicket, though.Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS :oReminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket :o
Jimmy Anderson up before the beakPity that 'being a dick' isn't a doable offence, since Jadeja would probably be up there instead of Jimmy (not that he's entirely blameless, but the Indians are being a bit dickish about the whole thing)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28319579
He could be banned for the next four tests for allegedly pushing Jadeja.
Proof that Cook really has lost the plot captaincy-wise: the new man in is .... Liam Plunkett
There are times and places for a nightwatchman. This is neither the time nor the place :facepalm:
319 is beyond England, I'm afraid. I hope they manage it but it's a very tall order.I'm inclined to agree - they can't keep relying on the middle order (and the occasional tail-ender) to bail them out. Plus there seems to be a fair bit of movement in the pitch now (that's the impression I'm getting, at any rate)
Only once has a team made more than 319 in the fourth innings to win a Test at Lord's. The highest chases are:
344-1: West Indies v England, 1984 (below)
282-3: England v New Zealand, 2004
218-3: England v New Zealand, 1965
First wicket gone ...
Gary Ballance, your country needs you (again) ... Cook's giving every impression of avoiding the strike. Not the sort of thing you'd want from an opener I'd have thought.
Anyway, I reckon Michael Vaughan has just nailed it - target notwithstanding, England need to take this on a session-by-session basis and try and avoid doing anything boneheaded. The weather sure as hell isn't going to save them.
I honestly didn't think it could get any worse, we could lose this game tonight if we're not carefulI'm wondering if Plunkett might not be the next man in, in the hope that he'll repeat his performance in the first innings ... time for Root and Cook to dig in and occupy the crease a la Boycott/Tavare (which in turn would cause those few MCC members still awake to nod off ;) )
Well, Jimmy did have a trick up his sleeve to deprive the Indian bowler of his 8th wicket - he got himself run out!Not quite what I had in mind ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28612034Good - maybe they'll rest Stuart Broad and give his knee time to sort itself out.
Looks like Anderson will be bowling at Old Trafford then.
that must be the 3rd time in this game alone that I've heard Boyks come out with that storyIt's not every day someone gets their face remodelled by a lifter ... don't think Gatt was wearing a helmet, though.
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times....He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test, although his efforts were somewhat outshone by those of Messrs. Ballance and Bell on that particular occasion.
He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times.Of course 800 is well short of the Test record (1156, CB Smith in 1807 ),
Bat on. If we lose. India square the series. There's no such thing as a result in the bag in Test cricket, especially at the end of the second day - and especially if it involves England.Lo, the voice of reason ;)
It shows how far India have slipped that when the television shows a procession of Indian wickets, one after another, that you have to concentrate hard to work out whether you're watching highlights or live footage...
I would not have been happy if I'd forked out the sort of money they charge for a ticket only to be presented with that pile of crap.The IPL.
How could India possibly be that bad? What's going on?
but look at the figures after the great and wise bearded one had gone
IMHO bloody dismal, if we get any further in this tournament it's fixed..
I think that's a bit harsh on the organisers. The minnows have to beat a "non-minnow" to progress - same as in most formats! (If they had a "minnows-only" group, then winning it would be meaningless).
So, it might as well be fixed and the three minnows in each pool not bother turning up. Having said that the fourth place in pool B is likely to be a closer contest.
Never mind! Well done, West Indies. That's proper Test cricket!
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah. Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah. Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:
It's a draw.Wish I'd posted earlier, but care to give me odds on that?!?
Never mind his wickets - that's a parochial English record. Anderson needs only another 31 test runs to become the player to take the longest time to reach 1000 runs in test cricket. Ever. From any country.Statt-ooh! Statt-oooh! /fantasyfootballleague
It's a draw.
In other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4iF_Si_2E
An excellent partnership - which they may well come to regret prolonging. A great match for the spectators, who have been deprived of Stokes, Wood and Root. Wood, of course, has been too busy thinking up stupid remarks to rile the Australians.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090179.jpg)
Just catching the highlights. Shane Watson's expression when given out lbw (again) is hilarious. And he reviewed it again.
It's been a very exciting Test Match, though that doesn't necessarily make either team particularly good. And Root saying we can win this was just asking to get a duck. What worries me is that I can't see Australia losing a single wicket in the Ashes series, not if we bowl the way we did on the second morning.
It's all gone quiet in here...
Jaded, any chance of you getting yourself to Lords as the forum lucky charm?
Carnage today.
Anyone remember the Edgbaston test when the surface was so green that Curtly Ambrose's first ball pitched on a length and bounced over the keeper's head for four?
4 down now! Need to get Warner out though...
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!
121 to win? They'd better do it! I mean, if a T20 team can get that total in less than, errr, 20 overs, then surelyI still remember 1981. In fact, I'll never forget those test.
they can get 121 in 2 and a half days? :-\
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!
(the pundits seem to be attributing these results mainly to bad performances by various players, rather than exceptional "execution" - as they say - by any player/team. Whatevs ... )
I don't know why but I'm more surprised by the Aussies being inconsistent.
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
... and play on the 5th day.I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
... and play on the 5th day.I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side. That's better than being crap I guess!
WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
[top stat that, BTW Sal]
Is it true that Clarke’s bat is due to be sponsored by Imodium, because it hasn’t seen an outbreak of runs for quite a while now?
https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/629260282594877440 ;D
:o
I was in a meeting!
I miss the old days, when you could switch on the cricket, go out for a ride, come back and sit down and nowt much had changed.
Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.
Don't forget the second innings.Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.
They could collapse for a 150. That's a useful 90 run lead!
RootRootRootRoot...
RootRootRootRoot... :thumbsup::D
SMHerald "Australia came into the Trent Bridge Test needing to make history, as the first team in almost 80 years to overturn a 1:2 Ashes deficit. Within one session they made history for a contrasting reason: crumbling for 60 in what became the shortest first innings of a match in Test history."
Popped out and did a bit of gardening and missed a whole bloody innings!:jurek:
Of the 114 balls bowled by England only eight were on the stumps. Would've done better if they left them all
I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display. That I did watch and it was awesome.
Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.
Not that it's any less satisfying overall ;D ;D ;D
I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display. That I did watch and it was awesome.
Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.
Not that it's any less satisfying overall ;D ;D ;D
That's probably the most exciting sporting performance I've ever seen (on telly). Didn't he tell the Saffers they were history?
Don't forget we just saw a bowling performance from Broad that will be referenced by commentators for the rest of cricketing history.
Possibly apocryphal, but I heard on the Toady Prog this am that there was a chap who bought tickets for all 5 days and ended up not going yesterday.I heard that too. One of the producers.
Job done!
Michael Clarke was outstanding in his interview after the defeat. It's a great shame for him, but a great result for England.
Broad made an interesting comment in his post-match interview, that he now judges his bowling performance not on wickets, but on how consistently he's bowled.
Seems fair enough - they're not going for the Hollywood balls, just trying to create pressure. This came through on the TMS commentary (less so on the highlights show), as Broad went wicketless early in the series, but was bowling well. It all happened for him on the first morning at Trentbridge.
My only disappointment of the day is that I can't find any video of Mark Wood riding his imaginary horse around the boundary. C5 didn't see fit to include it in the highlights (there was a lot of Mark Nicholas, Michael Slater, Michael Vaughan and Geoffrey Boycott, and I'd struggle to think of four more tedious cricket commentators - Boycs occasionally excepted).
Flat pitch suited the Aussie
I always thought Mike Hendrick was a much better bowler, for example, than Ian Botham. Always nagging and niggardly, batsmen could never score lots of runs off him and consequently they didn't usually try.
It's been horribly humid in south London both yesterday and today. How come the ball isn't swinging like a dogger?It is because they use a ball named "Duke" - far too classy for a simile like that.
For Basil:
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9987761/glenn-maxwell-says-super-catch-against-england-should-not-count
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England v Pakistan in the middle-east somewhere. Must be a pudding pitch but some excellent scores on both sides.
I don't know the circumstances, really but whom would they fine? I think the game is being played there because it's deemed unsafe to play in Pakistan. So who is responsible for preparing the pitch? ICC can hardly fine Abu Dhabi, or they are likely to end up being bought out!A Fine. A Bribe. Same end result!
Well played England. Great team performance. Outplayed us in all departments.
Well played England. Great team performance. Outplayed us in all departments.
Good grief that's some scoring!
Most runs in a pre-lunch Test session by a single batsman (130 by Stokes)
England's highest Test partnership for the sixth-wicket
The partnership has the highest run rate of any in Tests over 250 runs
First England century at Newlands since 1965
The highest score for an England batsman at Newlands, beating Jack Hobbs' 187 in 1910
The highest score by an England number six. The previous best was Graeme Hick's 178 against India in Mumbai in 1986.
The last England player to score 100 runs in a session before lunch was Ian Bell, against Bangladesh at Chester-le-Street in 2005
I can't see England needing to bat again.
I can't see England needing to bat again.
No, neither can I, but there is so much time left that they might as well make hay, which they did.
Apparently Stokes' dismissal was rather lame. He hit another skyer which was going straight to a not-too-distant fielder. Stokes was waiting at mid-wicket to see if he would catch it. The fielder dropped it but Stokes was too far out of his ground and was run out.
He's now reached 1009 not out (out of 1442 for 3). From 323 balls, with 59 sixes and 127 fours,I bet the three who scored less than 440 between them feel small now.
"The decision was made 2 weeks ago not over the last couple of days. It just so happened I got 200 runs, but it has been coming."
Whoa!
I'm guessing it's to make way for De Villiers, who was making noises about retiring.
It was a decent match in the end, only day three was dull (and the Indian lad scoring 1000 livened that day a bit).
Does anyone else like to score each session using boxing’s ’10 point must’ system?
Meanwhile: Ben Stokes has scored 368 runs from 334 balls in this series. That's just preposterous.
I've just come back and the buggers are all out :o
Of course, in years to come, they'll be hinting that Broad was on drugs.
James Taylor's two catches were staggering, especially the second:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQHYfkBnBVs
I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers.
Well done, South Africa! I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers. South Africa should always play their first match at this ground then the visitors will have to try and level a series. England are developing a habit of winning a series early, then losing the last game. They are still a very frustrating side to follow. But again, well done South Africa. (Hope there is no betting stuff coming out in years to come.....!)
All those runs and still only a draw.
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket? Was it at Headingley? That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket? Was it at Headingley? That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?
Yorkshire 593-9 dec and Hampshire 39 -2 so far.
Looks like Yorkshire are starting this season where they left off last year :)
Cricket probably has more folklore and behind-the-scenes interest than any other game - not surprisingly, I suppose, given that the players spend days and weeks in each other's company. Sometimes there are some unexpected gems that emerge, and the following article, I feel, is one of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/31/alastair-cook-james-anderson-england-the-spin
And Durham look as if their march to their correct place as County Champions is going well at Taunton*, though I expect the authorities might have a word with Somerset about the pitch - 35 wickets in two days!
*ETA - or possibly not!
Sorry, Wow, I think you might want to pay more attention ...
Quite a few records in that match!
Last 8 wkts went for 34 runs - fair old collapse that.
I'll bet there's a measurable noise when a ball passes a bat so close, without touching, and the air does something odd.
I've not been able to actually see any of this series. Obviously India are the world's no. 1 team at the moment but do their spinners really move the ball? I expect "yes". And "we" (our motley crew of South Africans and New Zealanders) tend not to play genuine spin too well because we never see it at county level because we only have slow bowlers rather than spinners, since the retirement of Graeme Swann, who really could move the ball. That said, this has all been a bit pathetic, hasn't it?
ICC Captain of the year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38401663)
I just half heard on the news that live cricket will be shown on BBC for the first time in 21 years. :D
Well, a few domestic and international 20 20 matches only.
I didn't hear when this will be.
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).
It's a bit like 1979 all over again!
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).
It's a bit like 1979 all over again!
You can watch highlights here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfbWpYkZbis) You don't often see 9 fielders around the batsman these days!
Rooooooot!!
Was it Botham or Willis?
We chatted about that match yesterday as amongst the displays in the Lords Museum is a signed wagon wheel of Botham's 147 Not Out. :thumbsup:
Edit. Botham had great bowling figures in the 1st innings, Willis in the 2nd.
I knew it was Edgbaston. I was playing cricket* that afternoon - it was only a short time after test cricket was played on a Sunday.
I'm afraid that my colleagues and I were not so professional. During the Old Trafford test, whilst Willis was on the rampage, the caretaker "did the rounds" and drew it to cricket-oriented staff members' attention that Aussie wickets were falling fast. I merely abandoned my class and went to watch. There were no repercussions: that school was closing/merging with another at the end of the term and I had already found another job in a school down the road.
That's a great catch by de Kock. Particularly as he seemed to be wrong footed to start with.
I think it needs a Follow-on and a second skittling.
It might only be one wicket...
I understand that it wasn't. Quite amusing though, but I have my misgivings about that sort of practical joke on air. There are bound to be lots of listeners who go away thinking that it was genuine.
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.
Erm...
Meanwhile, in the County Championship:
From a pre-season guide: (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/county-championship-team-by-team-guide-2017)
Essex: "they look a decent bet to consolidate their top-flight status despite being favourites with the bookies for the drop"
Lancashire: "Prediction - 8th" (i.e. bottom)
Next week the two meet at OT in a top-of-the-table clash
Essex are County Champions! It's a bit like old times...
Bore played an important role in the remarkable climax to the 1984 County Championship, which saw Essex and Nottinghamshire neck and neck at the top of the table. Essex had won their final game against Lancashire in two days, but if Nottinghamshire could beat Somerset the title would belong to Trent Bridge. Nottinghamshire were set 297 in 60 overs by Ian Botham, and needed 36 from the last three overs. The last pair were at the wicket, with one of them being the archetypal non batsman, Bore. Clive Rice and Bore recalled the game in 2006 for Cricinfo.
Rice: If you knew Mike, then believe me, every run he made was an unexpected bonus. I wasn't daring even to watch. No one was allowed to move inside the dressing room. Everyone stayed in their seats as we got closer and closer.
Mike Bore: If it was pitched on the off stump, I thought, I'll hit it straight. If it's on my legs, I'll sweep it.
Remarkably, Bore found the middle of the bat time and again, and when the last over started, another 14 runs were needed. Stephen Booth bowled the first ball of the season's last over and Bore scored a boundary. The second ball went to the ropes again, and the third went for two runs. Nottinghamshire needed four more runs from three balls to complete a remarkable win. Bore blocked the fourth ball and Andy Pick, Nottinghamshire's number 11, walked down the pitch to ask "What did you do that for?" "It wasn't in the right place." Bore replied. The next delivery saw Bore launch a blow towards the stands. The crowd and the entire Nottingham team were on their feet and Bore thought, as soon as he'd hit it, "That's it, we've won". However Somerset's Richard Ollis ran in and caught the ball above his head, just ten feet from the boundary. Nottinghamshire had lost by three runs and Bore's innings had been in vain. As Bore related in an interview with Simon Lister "We were stunned. We got in the car and I don't think we spoke a word until we were well past Gloucester. No matter how many times I lie in bed and replay that ball I never score those four runs".
No bears in Warwickshire, either; or Tigers in Leicestershire, or Hull.... the list goes on!
Essex establish a big first innings lead over Yorks in a low-scoring game. Not at the end of day 2 yet, and Essex have lost two 2nd innings wickets cheaply.
I have a big problem with county cricket these days: I don't know who anyone is! The last time Essex did anything was 25 years ago and everything has changed since then. I don't even know if anyone televises county cricket any more. One-day matches used to get a lot of publicity: B & H and Gillette Cups, as well as the John Player League, were all on BBC, and even the occasional 3-day county match was covered. Now, of course, good quality cameras are everywhere, but finding the matches is quite hard.
Is there anyone on here who follows county cricket any more? Or is it just me that has lost the ability to find out what is going on? Even the Grauniad doesn't seem to have the scorecards published anywhere.
What the ECB says
"Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the ongoing police investigation into an incident in Bristol in the early hours of Monday 25 September," said the ECB in a statement.
"Andrew Strauss, director of England Cricket, will today refer the internal disciplinary procedure for these two players to the Cricket Discipline Commission, chaired by Tim O'Gorman.
"These decisions, fully supported by ECB chairman Colin Graves, were made following the release of footage viewed by ECB for the first time on Wednesday."
The highlights will be free on BTSport.com (and BT SPort App) each evening from 7pm.Any daily highlights on terrestrial TV/anywhere?All on BT Sport it seems. So TMS, and YT pickings then
An acceptable first day I thought. Only watched the first five overs and listened to a little this morning but it's not a bad start.
Heading into this series, England had three weak links in their batting department and they all left their mark. Mark Stoneman and James Vince played really well to prove their mettle while Dawid Malan after a nervy beginning has also shown his class. The morning session tomorrow will be very crucial and both teams will be eager to seize the initiative. Tomorrow there is an early start. Do join us at 0930 local time (2330 GMT previous day) for all the action. Cheers!
I mean the coverage is OK but there's a lot of chatting in the commentary box that has nothing to do with what's actually happening on the field.
This reminds me of when I was a kid - hiding a wireless under the covers listening to the cricket when my mother had specifically told me to go to sleep :P
I have placed (perhaps rather foolishly) a two pound bet on England to win the Ashes. Unsurpisingly, the odds weren't too bad :P
under lights
or
under lights
we'll lose by less than 300 :P
Thing is though.......I loved the feeling of having a dream for those few hours - can they do it? Everybody's talking about it [well in my circles they were!] Dream on baby. Something out of the ordinary, something different, something almost impossible that was, all of a sudden, maybe just possible, and if it happens, imagine what it would be like to indulge in a different realm for just a few hours/days to brighten up the routine of a day that was most probably just the same as yesterday for most people.Well put sir!
As you were :-)
What time (GMT) did play begin? I'm guessing 3am. Would that be right?
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...
Swan is an utter bellend too. TMS has gone downhill I'm afraid.
I actually like Swann - especially when he and Alison have a bit of flirtatious banter....
After England lost the toss, I’m tempted to put a bet on Aus scoring 600+ and winning by an innings.Well, if they'd been 2 separate bets, you could rip one slip up this morning.
Quite a dead rubber...No need to rub it in cobber :hand:
Oh, this match's result counts for bragging rights but the overall counts for more.
Three more good sessions.They're doing alright, aren't they?
Three more good sessions.
Self-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)
Awww. Just because Australia is suffering from the same loss of key players and there’s a faint possiblbity they might not get 5-0...Three more good sessions.
Always good to see the English team perform well when it really counts.
The series is won. The job is done. Anything else is just a bonus.
Aus press moaning about the MCG pitch...QuoteSelf-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)
Alastair Cook is the first England opener to carry his bat since Michael Atherton at Christchurch in 1997
He is the first opener to carry his bat in an Ashes Test since Geoffrey Boycott at Perth in 1979
He is the first opener to carry his bat in a Test at the MCG
His 244 not out is the highest score by an opener carrying his bat, beating New Zealander Glenn Turner's unbeaten 223 in 1972
Could have been worse, at 27 for 9.......
Oh those poor petals of Australian cricket ;D.
"Sandpaper in the old jockstrap - tricky place to keep it oooh!";D
I wonder how sandpaper sales are going in Oz at the moment; they lost at rugger, soccer and cricket on the same day, yesterday. That won't happen very often. But they'll be back - and guess who'll cop for it? We always do!
Astonishing game in Division 2: Durham (Oceania, South Africa, USA) beat Derbyshire (South Africa, Oveania) by about 100 runs, having been behind by 100 on the first innings. More amazingly, Extras (71) was second top scorer for Durham in the second innings. Overseas cricket is alive and well - and over here! Necotiations should be underway to offer Extras a contract.
A whitewash and a thrilling finish...
... yet the football season starts today........ .
... yet the football season starts today........ .
It started yesterday. Reading lost to Derby.
Got a ticket for next Saturday at Lord's, really looking forward to it.
Re 35th over tail end action - not often we get a chance to see Shami leather it......I’ll get my coat.
The BBC's webby SCIENCE appears to be borked, because the scorecard's one wicket and nearly a hundred runs behind where it should be at the time of posting... :facepalm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43873929
If anyone tries to say that no one follows Test cricket then we should just show them how many tweets we've received since our scorecard broke. Again, we know and some guys in a dark room are trying to fix it.
Stokes and Hales now face ECB independent disciplinary committee, likely to face charges of bringing the game into disrepute. Might take a few days, up to a week to convene.
Stokes not guilty. Wonder if he'll be back in the squad for the 3rd test.
I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.
One question, at the centre of this whole saga was the gay couple the various accused allegedly passed derogatory remarks to. Yet I got the impression they never gave evidence in the trial for either prosecution or defence? Or did I miss that bit?
He told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.
Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”
He was charged with affray, and going on the basis of the video, I don't think it was surprising he was found not guilty.I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.I think when the prosecution ask at the beginning of the trial for a lesser charge to be considered, that’s quite a big flag about the case.
QuoteHe told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.
Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”
Stokes in for Curran.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.Found innocent, forever guilty?
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.Found innocent, forever guilty?
No.
Edit: This was in response to Mattc's post, not Jaded's.
... Only Gordon Greenidge and Desmond Haynes (6,482) and Justin Langer and Matthew Hayden (5,655) scored more runs than Cook and Strauss’s 4,711, even if their average of 40.96 is some way down the list behind the top mark of 87.81 averaged by Jack Hobbs and Herbert Sutcliffe.
That Cook is now battling so much is instructive. It may just be that he is gently sliding down the other side of his career mountain and the end is nigh or that opening in Tests is harder because of the conditions — or a combination of both. ...
My preferred batting order at the moment would be:
Opener 1 (Cook but not for much longer unless he finds form again)
...
The conundrum is in the fact that allt countries play limited overs cricket, yet many still manage to beat England in Test Matches!Apart from the No1 side in the world. We're doing alright against them - despite our inadequacies! :smug:
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.
That alone will be worth the history.
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.
That alone will be worth the history.
From the progress of the game today, provided England bat properly tomorrow I should see some of the 3rd innings and possibly the whole of the 4th.
Roooooooooot.
Some bright spark on the Graun’s website has just pointed out that in the equivalent fixture 40 years ago, India were chasing 468 in the last innings. From memory, Sunil Gavaskar scored 221, Vengsarkar 100 and at the start of the final over, all four results were still possible. It ended as a draw. (Goes off the check Cricinfo...).
166 after tea would be exciting...
Cricket World Cup 2019 ticket ballot is open until 29th August:-
https://tickets.cricketworldcup.com/accountRegister.html
Going in for the opening England game against SA at the Oval, the Final (why not) and two cheap weekend matches at the Oval (SA v Bangladesh and Sri Lanka v Australia).
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.
Very good, Peter. (Unfortunately)
Really wish there was a reasonable way of watching this over here....
Aggers on the Today programme this morning, put it down to them accepting they had lost, not wishing to give away any more wickets. (Or let England get any more). It seems there is some sort of cricketing version of goal difference which may be important later.
This I don't understand, the NRR has nothing to do with wickets unless you lose them all, but India didn't look like doing that.
I think TalkSport is still doing commentary for the test matches, rather than BBC(?)
Emphatic :thumbsup: ;D
Just seen the replay of the Smith run out by JB. Nutmeg. :o
The match will be shown free to air on Channel 4 as Sky have given up their exclusivity.
I think I read that C4 will be showing World Cup highlights and they will be available on All4 or More4 or whatever it is called.
Can someone explain the tie breaker.it’s like limited over cricket, but for one over only. Only one bowler to deliver all 6 balls and the batting side has three batsmen, so loss of second wicket finishes your go. Best it in typical cricketing language, the team that bats second bats first. 😁
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Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five. :demon:
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
What a silly mistake. I don’t do cricket but that was an incredible listen.
Or play a tennis tiebreaker (with Djokovic and Federer having to play a one-over single wicket competition when it got to 12-all in the fifth set).The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five. :demon:
Or "Pick the winner of tomorrow's Tour stage" ;D
It is known that the rules/laws of a game/sport cannot anticipate every possible eventuality. That is why people pass examinations in order to show that they are capable of applying those laws and, where curiosities occur outwith those laws, can make reasoned judgements in the face of that. It seems to me that that was what happened yesterday.
I think it's a bit unfair to denigrate all of Australian cricket because of what Trevor Chappell was instructed to do by his captain in 1981. It's worth noting that the doyen of cricket commentators made his views very clear about that incident in his commentary and summing up, and he too was an Australian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHScrCxF6Y
Quite a good start atEdgbastonBalsall Heath today.
Quite a good start at Edgbaston today.
Posted at 14:36TMS
The Aussies aren't happy with the ball. (I can see you sniggering).
They think it has gone out of shape but the umpires check it fits through their metal rings and, when it does, toss it back to them.
Starting fresh today, he scored 8, Stokes sbout 2, etc.
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).
Talk about down to earth with a bump. They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).
Talk about down to earth with a bump. They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.
I heard some discussion on TMS of the WC 'overthrows' saying the the law should be amended to 'if the ball is still active' the run counts, not was it thrown before the batsmen crossed. This since the laws of cricket are relevant to the village green, where there would realistically be no way, to pick the bones of this particular freak occurence. In any event in cricket the umpires have been know to get stuff wrong. Tiny margin though yes.
Not losing would be a good start. ;)And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
They need to do a few things.
Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
Problem with that is, all he has to do is stand there, do nothing and watch the bowlers knacker themselves out.
England will need to try and win a game at some point. Which I'm sure they will :)
I'm irrationally angry about this! They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions. Fine them!Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??
I'm irrationally angry about this! They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions. Fine them!Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??
I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread
I'm not angry at all.
Cricket, like most sport watched, is entertainment.
I'd only be angry if it was my own involvement that was causing problems.
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.
Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.To be fair, it's England who picked them for white ball stuff and stopped them playing for their counties.
I think the vast majority of them need to play less white ball cricket, but there's far more £££ in that than test cricket.
Apologies, didn't mean to misrepresent you. I shall work on my diligence ...Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.
Who was it directed at? Hint: Not the England cricketers.
Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.That's better!
The cretins who were booing Smith as he came back on yesterday should have been ejected from the ground by stewards as far as I'm concerned. They clearly know nothing about cricket, bravery, or much about anything for that matter. And at Lords of all places.:(
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).
Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
Slightly shocked Essex won. In two van journeys today totaling around 90 minutes must have heard at least 10 wickets fall.
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).
Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
His (very sad) withdrawal has given England a massive lifeline. I'm still not betting on them, but it has got interesting now!
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
2 down already.
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?I also have a ticket for the first day at the Oval, as insurance. Odds on rain?
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
OK. Who was it that said we all need to play like Archer?
Archer 45-6
England 45-6...
On a different tack, much as I'm amused by Geoff Boycott (I was once having physio in the same cubicle but that's another story) and generally think he speaks sense (he agrees with my first-mentioned sentiment) I must argue against his continued assertion that Root is England's best player and so should bat at number 4. If he's England's best player, it's from a very poor bunch and he's nowhere near as good as Stokes to the team. And even Stokes threw his wicket away. Root is sadly back to his non-playing captain role.
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and