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Title: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 23, 2011, 09:08:22 am
Good knock by KP...  I wonder what the chances are of England winning by two clear tests and becoming No. 1 test side int world are?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 23, 2011, 10:02:09 am
Better without Zaheer Kahn, which is a shame, if we're going to get to no 1 in the rankings I'd prefer us to do it against a full strength side.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 23, 2011, 10:29:06 am
Winning ugly by two tests will do me...  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 24, 2011, 12:33:25 pm
Playing ugly at the moment...   ::-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 24, 2011, 03:32:21 pm
...but doing better now. I'd have thought a lead of 300-350 would probably be enough, but the more the better!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 24, 2011, 03:34:39 pm
Yes.  We do have quite an impressively deep batting lineup these days - with Prior and Broad at 7 & 8....  Swann's useful at no 9. too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 24, 2011, 04:41:56 pm
Must be nearly time to declare. Waiting for Prior to get a century? Or Broad, the way he's slogging it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 24, 2011, 04:45:49 pm
Must be nearly time to declare. Waiting for Prior to get a century? Or Broad, the way he's slogging it.

I reckon so.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 24, 2011, 04:54:19 pm
Hell of an improvement from 50-some for 5, too.

Is Tremlett fit enough to bowl, does anyone know?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 24, 2011, 05:01:42 pm
Tremlett should be OK to bowl, according to the Grauniad's OBO.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 24, 2011, 05:06:42 pm
India need the highest second innings total to win, in the history of test cricket. 

But they may be able to bat all day...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 25, 2011, 03:46:05 pm
Draw anyone?   :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 25, 2011, 05:59:44 pm
Must catch the highlights tonight - I missed the denouement. Plus, it looks as though the atmosphere was amazing.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on July 25, 2011, 06:18:34 pm
Draw anyone?   :-\
That's what I was thinking when I left work ...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 25, 2011, 07:07:52 pm
Well done our lads!

I missed the middle days of this match. Can anyone explain the logic of declaring in the 1st innings? IIRC they didn't even score enough to have much hope of a follow-on - not that anyone seems to enforce follow-ons these days.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Adrian on July 25, 2011, 08:44:39 pm
Better to have Tremlett and Anderson bowling rather than batting?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 25, 2011, 09:35:36 pm
Well done our lads!

I didn't know you were South African, Matt.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 25, 2011, 09:36:38 pm
Does anyone else find Michael Vaughan an immensely annoying commentator? He's just a crass English cheerleader.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 25, 2011, 09:40:08 pm
Yes, he's very irritating. I noticed this particularly when the last Ashes series was on. I can't remember the context, but I think Aggers was taking the piss out of him.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 25, 2011, 11:33:42 pm
Watched the highlights - our bowling attack rocked...   :)

Great start.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 26, 2011, 11:13:18 am
When Vaughan sticks to what he knows, he's very good. When he turns into a laddish pundit, he's a bit of a bore.

The great thing about TMS is the mix of characters they use - there's always someone along in a minute with a different irritating bias/accent/personality ;)


Well done our lads!

I didn't know you were South African, Matt.
KP (asked about an English dessert):
Don't ask me - I just work here.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 29, 2011, 04:11:08 pm
Test 2.

England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?

200 partnership by Broad and Swann anyone?   ;)
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Post by: Deano on July 29, 2011, 04:25:26 pm
Tail's wagging a bit. Reminds me of England teams of old - unable to finish teams off.

Sounds like good bowling conditions, more than owt else.
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Post by: interzen on July 29, 2011, 06:58:31 pm
Test 2.

England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?

200 partnership by Broad and Swann anyone?   ;)
73, as it turned out - Broad hit 64 of 66 balls before Harbajhan got him.
Swanny seems to have lost a bit of his batting mojo, but at least the first innings total isn't quite as calamitous as it could have been (ie. 140-8 last time I looked!)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Pancho on July 29, 2011, 07:35:54 pm
(Late to thread)

I was at there on Sunday - best day's cricket I've been at Lord's for. Sadly I had to be in the office on Monday. Unlike my pal who sent me a personal text commentary.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 30, 2011, 05:05:15 pm
Whoooa.  A Broad hat-trick.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 30, 2011, 05:09:54 pm
Test 2.

England collapse - good bowling/pathetic batting effort/ or both?

4 wickets have just fallen without a run. Quite a good game, this one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 30, 2011, 06:51:02 pm
Yes.  From TMS.  "Stuart Broad took five wickets for no runs in 16 balls, including the first ever Test hat-trick against India"
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 31, 2011, 02:28:49 pm
Bell's scored a century.  Good lad.

...and then offered a near-chance to gully :facepalm:

A lead of 250+ would be too much for the Indians to chase, I reckon.
Title: The cricket...
Post by: eeymsmo on July 31, 2011, 02:45:23 pm
Fours seem to coming a plenty since lunch. Hopefully they'll keep it up.

Enjoying the view from the foxs road stand :). Drinks break so time for another beer.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 31, 2011, 03:49:17 pm
Oo Er.  Controversial run out.  Seems that Strauss and t'boys are a tad put out that the Indians made an appeal (when asked to confirm this by the umpire?).  Unsportsman like behaviour, or, all's fair in love and cricket..?

Tuffers.  "That is a disgraceful decision. It is wrong because the game in the players' minds had obviously come to an end. Technically it is out but it is just not in the spirit of the game."
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Post by: Basil on July 31, 2011, 04:03:48 pm
Ooh.  If that decision stands, the rest of the tour is going to be a bit spikey.

Error by Bell, though.  Like they say in football, "Play to the whistle"

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Post by: Deano on July 31, 2011, 04:08:02 pm
Bell's back in - the Indians must have rescinded the appeal. Sportsmanship, that is.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 31, 2011, 04:08:22 pm
I've just read about this on Grauniad website. Comparisons being made re Greig / Kallicharran. IIRC Kallicharran was reinstated the following day though.

Edit : cross-post with Deano. Case law in cricket?  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 31, 2011, 04:10:36 pm
Well done Dhoni. (I assume he though better of it during tea)
Title: The cricket...
Post by: eeymsmo on July 31, 2011, 04:21:26 pm
It was certainly getting a bit unfriendly here when they came back on until people started spotting that it was bell coming back on.

No announcement here about what's going on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 31, 2011, 04:23:57 pm
It sounded ugly on the radio.  Big cheer when Bell came out, though.

According to Aggers, Strauss and Flower went and had a chat with Dhoni and the Indian dressing room, and as the Indians decided to withdraw their appeal, the umpires had no choice - Bell couldn't be out.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 31, 2011, 04:28:39 pm

No announcement here about what's going on.

Are you at the match?

Strauss and the England manager went to the Indian dressing room and asked them if they would consider withdrawing the appeal "in the spirit of the game".
Good move to leave the umpires out of the conversation.

Booing the umpires was wrong- they had no choice once Dhoni originally confirmed before tea that they were appealing.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 31, 2011, 04:46:31 pm
Juffray B. reckons Bell made a stupid mistake in assuming a four. Bell's a looky lud...   ;)  I was wondering how the umpires can go back on their decision once the appeal had been put by Dhoni, and Bell given out.

Title: The cricket...
Post by: eeymsmo on July 31, 2011, 04:49:24 pm
Yes, at Trent bridge, enjoying the atmosphere a bit more now.  Sounds like the teams took a pragmatic approach

The booing was well out of order, dont know if it can across on any broadcasts but there was some  unpleasant chants trying to get off the ground as well. All back to normal in foxs road now with the back corner trying to get waves going again. Pretty happy the sun has gone in as well, was getting a bit warm.

Be surprised if India don't end up chasing at least 300 at this rate.

,
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 31, 2011, 05:17:07 pm
Assuming England set India 300 to win over 2 days, this is a very well-balanced match. 300 batting last is a tough target, but not an impossible one.

If I'm reading this page (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/222199.html) correctly it's only ever been achieved three times on English wickets, twice at Leeds (one of those was the 1948 Australians) and once at Lords (W. Indies 1984). So the two I've quoted were arguably by the two strongest batting sides in Test history.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 31, 2011, 05:50:02 pm
On TMS, Aggers has just recommended The Vicar of Dibley to Sunil Gavaskar as the cream of current British sitcoms.  I love TMS - all their cultural touchstones are at least 15 years out of date, and a bit naff. 

...and England are pushing the lead up to "impossible" territory. It's already over 300, and according to stats on TMS earlier, the average fourth innings total at Trentbridge is about 140.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 31, 2011, 06:15:12 pm
Tuffers.  Is that like the Bucolic Plague?   ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 01, 2011, 11:38:48 am
Bresnan doing well...  :thumbsup:  Anderson seems like the only bowler/non-recognised batsman that doesn't feel 'at home' with the bat, but even then he averages 11 runs or summat...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 12:40:07 pm
...and England are pushing the lead up to "impossible" territory. It's already over 300, and according to stats on TMS earlier, the average fourth innings total at Trentbridge is about 140.

Hmm, pitch quite hard and not falling apart and the required RR is still under 3.

And a first ball drop too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 01:01:40 pm
I did wonder if the flatness of the wicket was part of the reason they kept batting - Simon Hughes was saying on the telly highlights that the heavy roller reduces the bounce of the wicket for the first session. So it's better to bowl later.

Dravid's out now - a very good wicket to get so early.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on August 01, 2011, 01:01:40 pm
When suddenly..... ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 01, 2011, 01:07:34 pm
Still on a train.
Relying on you guys to keep me up to date.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on August 01, 2011, 01:32:55 pm
Still on a train.
Relying on you guys to keep me up to date.

Dravid out for 6 - bowler was Broad, as you would probably guess.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 01:48:08 pm
Laxman out...b Anderson 4
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 01:48:26 pm
Jimmy Anderson just bowled Laxman. 13-2.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 02:29:04 pm
Sorry, forgot the first one...

Mukund b Bresnan c Strauss 3

31-3

Raina b Bresnan c sub 1

37-4

Current odds at William Hill: India 40/1 for the win, 10/1 for the draw/NR.
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Post by: mattc on August 01, 2011, 02:35:55 pm
...

And a first ball drop too.
I think they've dropped TWO catches now. No doubt the Indians are filled with confidence.   ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 02:42:38 pm
I won't be counting any chickens until either (ideally both) of Tendulkar and Yuvraj Singh are gone.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 03:01:37 pm
Review for Yuvraj!

Not out.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 03:21:28 pm
Now Yuvraj is out. Caught at some sort of short gully off Bresnan.

Over by tonight?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 03:23:12 pm
 :thumbsup:

Dhoni out first ball. Bresnan's on a hat trick!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 03:29:39 pm
Bresnan's hatrick ball will be to Harbhajan Singh...

Driven for 4...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 04:26:29 pm
Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56

107-7
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Post by: interzen on August 01, 2011, 04:31:10 pm
Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56

107-7
I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?
Also think I'm having a flashback back to the first Test - leave the office for 10 minutes to make myself a cuppa, then get back to my desk to find that 3-4 wickets have fallen in the interim.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2011, 04:34:33 pm
Tendulkar lbw Anderson 56

107-7
I bet Dhoni's kicking himself for letting Ian Bell off the hook, eh?

I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.

Didn't Bell only manage another 22-ish? Not really match-changing, was it?
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Post by: interzen on August 01, 2011, 04:42:11 pm
I reckon the issue is whether they would have got back to their hotel alive.

Didn't Bell only manage another 22-ish? Not really match-changing, was it?
In terms of runs scored, no I don't think it made that much of a difference particularly when you take the Bresnan/Broad partnership into account but, as Mr. Tesco says, "Every Little Helps". I'd like to think that it might serve to silence some of Bell's critics, but my hopes aren't high.

Just a bit pissed off that I can't listen to TMS 'cos the sound on my Mac is knackered :(
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Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 04:56:02 pm
Happened 15 mins ago or so but...

Harbhajan b Bresnan c sub 46

129-8

That's 5-36 for Bresnan's on Yorkshire day.

Score now 142-8.
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Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2011, 05:11:37 pm
Kumar b Anderson 25

153-9
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 05:25:35 pm
All out. England win by 319 runs.
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Post by: interzen on August 01, 2011, 06:17:01 pm
Bloody typical - it all happened whilst I was waiting for the bus home  ::-)

Stuart Broad was man of the match. Good choice, IMO, if only for the hat-trick.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 01, 2011, 07:18:31 pm
Just watching the highlights. Our lower order is ridiculously good. Bresnan at 8, Broad at 9 and Swann at 10. I'm sure there have been England teams with weaker batsmen at 5, 6 and 7.

If Trott is injured for the next test, there must be a case for playing Bell at 3, replacing Trott with Tremlett, and playing 5 bowlers. I don't think any of the bowlers are good enough batsmen to be considered all-rounders in their own right, but cumulatively I'd say they make up for one batsman.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 01, 2011, 08:55:50 pm
Was that over in four days?
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Post by: Peter on August 02, 2011, 12:33:18 am

If Trott is injured for the next test, there must be a case for playing Bell at 3, replacing Trott with Tremlett, and playing 5 bowlers. I don't think any of the bowlers are good enough batsmen to be considered all-rounders in their own right, but cumulatively I'd say they make up for one batsman.

Interesting analysis, Dean.  Tim Bresnan is the only one of the bowlers whose batting average is higher than his bowling average (often considered the measure of an all-rounder).  Stuart Broad has an appalling bowling average of around 35, though he takes wickets.  Then again, he has a big century to his name, 150-odd, if I remember.  I think his stats. are about to improve rapidly, though probably more in the batting department.  Swann has a better bowlng average than batting, but his batting average is still pretty reasonable for number 10.  I'd still be inclined to replace Trott with a batsman, because our current bowlers nearly always deliver and we have cover for injury, whereas, with the possible exception of Prior and until recently Trott and Cook, no batsman is making good scores consistently.  We are still too reliant on one person making 200, instead of 4 people consistently making 50s.    But it is a very spirited team and that's great to see; it was what made Australia great (that, and constant sunshine!).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 02, 2011, 10:56:43 am
Ian Bell's got a pretty good current record - he's averaging 113 (or thereabouts) for 2011...

I reckon it's one of the great strengths of the current team that they're not relying on a couple of star players - everyone contributes at some point.

Still, they've had success with four bowlers, so they may not want to change that. Assuming Trott is out, that'd mean giving someone (e.g Bopara) who's had chances and failed, or putting a new player in, such as James Taylor.  Personally, I'd still put Tremlett in, as he's got the experience and the track record, and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.
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Post by: Peter on August 02, 2011, 11:01:17 am
Is there much likelihood of them dropping Bresnan?  Tremlett has always delivered as a bowler (as has the poor Finn) but I'm guessing James Taylor will have better songs....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 02, 2011, 11:09:04 am
If they only pick four bowlers, then (assuming Broad, Swann and Anderson are untouchable) it's one of Bresnan and Tremlett - and they've usually gone for Tremlett in the past.  Bresnan's only played eight tests - but he has won all of 'em.  It'd be hard to drop Bresnan after this test, but leaving out Tremlett wouldn't be easy either.

They might even chuck Monty in. Now there's a number 11.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 02, 2011, 01:30:09 pm
... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.
I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
For one thing, a lot of it is luck. Then there's consistency - noone should be safe after 1 good game if they haven't been consistent in the past.
Then there's the magic variables of cricket - the pitch, expected conditions, the opposition etc etc ... that mean there is no perfect 11.
"Well done. Have a rest mate, you'll be playing again soon enough."

Squad rotation is healthy, as it keeps everyone's hand in. Best not to go TOO mad with it, mind!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 02, 2011, 02:02:40 pm


Squad rotation is healthy, as it keeps everyone's hand in. Best not to go TOO mad with it, mind!

aka The Benitez Syndrome!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 02, 2011, 02:08:33 pm
... and it'd be a bit of a pisser to drop Bresnan for Tremlett after the lad just took 5 wickets.
I think it's a sign of good management and a good team ethos if you can drop someone DESPITE them playing a blinder.
For one thing, a lot of it is luck. Then there's consistency - noone should be safe after 1 good game if they haven't been consistent in the past or their name is Kevin Pietersen
FTFY.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 02, 2011, 02:09:24 pm
You're missing the context, Matt - for the sake of argument I'm assuming that Trott will be out for the next test, in which case I'd pick the best player to replace him, which in this case happens to be a bowler. The alternative would be to pick an unproven batsman, thus leaving out either a player currently ranked the tenth best bowler in the world (Tremlett), or a chap who just took 7 wickets and scored 100+ runs.

If Trott is fit, I'd just play the same team.
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Post by: mattc on August 02, 2011, 04:10:32 pm
You're missing the context, Matt ...
No, I was just giving my opinion on dropping a player who has played a blinder! I didn't mean anything against the 'Deano 11' :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 07, 2011, 03:01:51 pm
Zaheer Khan still unavailable for India, after a farcical-sounding game against Northampton 2nd XI.

And it looks very likely that Bopara will be in for Trott. I'd never have made it as a selector.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 07, 2011, 03:08:13 pm
I guess picking batsmen is a good way to hang onto a series lead.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 07, 2011, 04:25:01 pm
As Boycott would probably say of the current Indian bowling line-up, "my old granny could score a century against this lot if you gave her a stick of rhubarb to bat with".

More seriously, I think Flower likes the balance of the side with four bowlers and a strong batting line-up (and why wouldn't he, since it's worked well so far this summer, and against Australia). And playing Bopara makes sense, to give a bit more experience to one of the reserve batsmen. Plus he can turn his arm over a bit, so like Trott he takes the pressure off the main bowlers (and he's a better bowler than Trott).

I'm surprised at how young Bopara is - only 26. He seems to have been around for ages.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 10, 2011, 12:44:52 pm
India 60-3 before lunch, Tendulkar out for 1.

Yep, forget the looting, everything's fine in our great country.
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Post by: HTFB on August 10, 2011, 12:49:31 pm
Just as long as they don't loot too many down through third man.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 10, 2011, 01:38:43 pm
India 60-3 before lunch, Tendulkar out for 1.

Yep, forget the looting, everything's fine in our great country.
I'm not sure about everything, but the important things are looking good.
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 10, 2011, 02:58:03 pm
Things are looking great, and they're only getting better*. 7 down.

*I'm doin' alright, getting good grades, the futures so bright .....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 10, 2011, 03:43:26 pm
Spirited batting from Dhoni. Still, India are 8 down now.
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 10, 2011, 04:35:16 pm
224 all out. Great catch from Cookie. 2 bowlers with 4 each. Looking good for top of the world.

Why did I ever used to get depressed watching England play Test cricket? ... Ah yes, I remember now  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2011, 06:57:16 pm
Talking of the cricket carrying on despite riots, I have some vague recollection of a riot in Indai when G. Boycott was batting but cannot remember the details. Something sticks in my mind along the lines of a rioter approaching the square and announcing to GB "I'm sorry. Mr. Boycott, you are a very fine player but I'm afraid play must stop for today!"

Can anyone come to my help with a reference for this?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 11, 2011, 03:36:34 pm
Sorry, WB, before my time.

Fine century from Cook - he seems to have hit his form again. What odds for a double century?  Looks like England are going to set a huge target.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 11, 2011, 04:25:14 pm
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:

A Mishra
I Sharma


Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?


(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 11, 2011, 04:34:14 pm
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:

A Mishra
I Sharma


Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?


(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )

Not sure that the would "attack" is quite apposite - may even be opposite
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 11, 2011, 06:09:29 pm
under discussion, a tweet to Malcolm @ TMS:

A Mishra
I Sharma


Are they the only anagram bowling attack in test cricket?


(@Wowbagger - nice story, true or not :) )

Speaking of anagrams...

Quote from: http://twitter.com/#!/tmsproducer
Interesting moment in TMS box as @tmsscorer reveals that "GROTTY COFFEE BOY" is an anagram of Geoffrey Boycott to Geoffrey Boycott.

A braver man than I!  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 12, 2011, 12:16:03 am
I heard Aggers put that to Boycott. Slightly angry, slightly disbelieving. Quite amusing.

...So who fancies Alastair Cook to go for a record? There's time to bat and no reason to declare (except for the weather forecast). Len Hutton's 364 as a target? 400+?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 12:23:02 am
I'd be most surprised if the bookies were offering less than 100-1 against that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 12:34:43 am
It must have been the Summer of '79 when I had a young teaching colleague from Yorkshire, who was forever trying to tell us in the staff room that Yorkshire were better than Essex. This was a bad time to be doing this, because 1979 was the first occasion that Essex won any trophies and they started with two: the Benson & Hedges Cup and the County Championship. They dominated County Cricket for the next 10 years or so.

They beat Surrey spectacularly in the final of the B & H and I was there. Sadly, the following day, in the John Player League, they had to play Yorkshire and every member of the Essex side gave the impression that they had the biggest hangover in the history of cricket. They lost ignominiously and this gave my colleague some valuable gloating material.

However, GB came to my rescue as he was opening or England against a pretty ordinary Indian attack in which they had no-one much faster than medium pace. Mr. Boycott kept on getting out to a bowler by the name of Ghavri, someone who, these days, Sir Geoffrey would describe as being "the sort of player that my old granny could score runs off".

My colleague was most miffed when I suggested that GB could also stand for "Ghavri's Bunny"
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 12, 2011, 12:43:24 am
I'd be most surprised if the bookies were offering less than 100-1 against that.

Given Cook's rate of scoring, and the weather forecast, you're probably right. But I might still enquire at the local Ladbrokes.

Either way, it'll be a thumping lead for England, and the Indian batsmen will need to live up to their averages to make a contest of it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 12:49:44 am
Oh yes, India look and are playing like a broken team. If the weather holds I'd be most surprised if England didn't notch up an innings win. Lead of 400 on first innings, get India out for 200ish again.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: HTFB on August 12, 2011, 10:34:01 am
The best of the anagrams was read out right at the end of play. "Sachin Tendulkar" goes to "And I Lack The Runs".
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 10:37:43 am
The best of the anagrams was read out right at the end of play. "Sachin Tendulkar" goes to "And I Lack The Runs".

Which is more than can be said for many an England team touring India.  :-X
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 12, 2011, 11:01:20 am
My favourites has always been "TRESCOTHICK" being an anagram of "CRICKET SHOT".
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 12, 2011, 02:38:14 pm
Cookie's currently 233 not out (Morgan on 89no) and they've gone off for bad light  ::-)

Still reckon a declaration at tea-time might be a go-er, especially if they get the lead over 400 - give the Indians a session after tea and then finish the job tomorrow1

1 - In theory, at least.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 12, 2011, 03:56:54 pm
Cook's got his 250, Morgan made a ton.  Currently 627-6 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 04:05:33 pm
Cook's got his 250, Morgan made a ton.  Currently 627-6 :thumbsup:

Looking at the fall of wicket stat: 186 - 252 - 374 - 596 - 605 - 613 -

Dang, looks like we're having the dreaded middle order collapse...  ;)

EDIT: the first target to hit before even thinking of a declaration is beating the 658-8 declared v Australia at Trent Bridge in 1938.

Or Strauss waits until (barring dismissal) Cook gets 300, or even beats Gooch's 333 (scored against India at Lord's in 1990).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2011, 04:26:37 pm
I didn't know about the 658-8dec target, so I was going to say that getting Cook to 300/333 is/are the only reason to not have declared already. (I guess they wanted to give Bopara a bat, but lets not talk about that now ... )

At 590-3 I was going to post
Boring Boring England :(

 ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 04:37:40 pm
There was a bit about the highest ever England scores near the start of the live coverage on the BBC sport website. Actually, there were two even bigger scores, but they date from before the five-day time limit was introduced.

EDIT - Found them:
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England's highest total in Test history was the 903-7 declared vs the Aussies at the Oval in 1938 (oh for a time-travel machine). 2nd: 849 vs West Indies, Kingston 1930.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 04:44:55 pm
What's this 658 score all about? England notched up 903 for 7 in 1938 against Australia at the Oval, winning by an innings and 579 runs.

Edit: cross-post.

Edit 2: no, I wasn't there and don't remember it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2011, 04:50:30 pm
658 is the record at Nottingham. I doubt Strauss will care about it TBH (the radio's off, they may be past it by now!)

If cook passes 333 he's into the top 10, so might want to go a bit further ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 05:02:56 pm
666-6 :demon:

Well, what other smiley was I going to use?  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 05:18:43 pm
Bad light stopped play... wonderful.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2011, 05:22:15 pm
That is a monumentally stupid decision from the umpires. Brainless.
 >:(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 05:32:08 pm
Back on again, which makes the decision to abandon play for bad light - when there are 6 huge floodlights on anyway - all the more ridiculous.  :facepalm:

What did Taufel think he was doing, putting India out of their misery?  ::-) They were practically out of the match hours ago...   :demon:

EDIT
Quote from: BBC live text commentary
17:30
Eng 687-6

Almost impossible for Tim Bresnan to see anything out there - just enough to smash Sharma through cover with the timing and grace of a chunky Lara. No point in England declaring now, you'd feel, because if it's "dangerous" for a team closing in on 700 to bat, you shudder to think how the ICC might describe conditions for a team facing the new ball, three pace bowlers and a deficit of 463

Might as well play out today, and give the statisticians something to chew on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 05:36:41 pm
What's the daily over quota? 90?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2011, 05:39:31 pm
Still, it was nice to see it was a fit young blonde who went out to put the umpires right, well done love.

[/coat]
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 05:49:18 pm
What's the daily over quota? 90?

Going by the coverage in the Torygraph, we've had 72(?) so far today - whether we get another 18 done depends on when stumps is scheduled, how much time was lost to bad light, and the bowling rate.  :-\

Bresnan gets his 50, England on 704-6.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 12, 2011, 05:53:13 pm
Cook's just gone for 294 ....

... and there's the declaration. Let the games begin!  ;D
Title: The cricket
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 05:55:20 pm
Not a bad knock.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 12, 2011, 05:56:12 pm
England declare, quell surprise...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2011, 05:58:50 pm
That is a monumentally stupid decision from the umpires. Brainless.
 >:(

Stupid decision, but one forced on them by the ICC.  ::-)

I agree with Vaughan on such things. Same with the drinks break 20mins after a late start; people are paying £35upwards to watch players standing about for no reason, or sat in the pavilion. Not on, especially when Test cricket is under threat from the more "exciting" forms of the game.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2011, 06:02:49 pm
Oooh, nice. GambhirSehwag bags a King pair. ( :-[)
 ;D
Title: The cricket
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2011, 06:12:29 pm
How many more overs? England to claim the extra half-hour?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2011, 06:15:23 pm
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 12, 2011, 09:11:43 pm
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.

You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.

Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 12, 2011, 09:14:48 pm
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.

You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.

Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.
There's a lot of turn in the pitch now, so if I were Swann I'd be disappointed if I didn't managed to bag at least a couple of wickets.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2011, 09:17:14 pm
This could have a major downside. I had the whole of tomorrow sorted out for a full days lounging in front of the big telly.

You'll be alright. Just enjoy watching Swann take six wickets.

Swann taking a few would, I reckon, make it the perfect series for England. Everyone would have contributed.

I'm just a bit worried that without the DRS for leg-befores Swann might just struggle to get his full due. He had a really, really
good shout turned down this evening.
I can still hope though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 10:44:54 am
Alastair Cook rejects Boycott's criticism of his batting style. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/14511527.stm)

I think he's been a bit long-winded about it. He could have simply pointed out that he scored more than the entire Indian team, but that wouldn't have filled up as much space, I guess.

Boycott's obviously the go-to man if you're talking about getting a move on. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 10:47:10 am
Boycott was dropped for slow scoring in the 1960s after a double century.

Edit: 246 not out against India at Headingley in 1967.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 11:05:14 am
Nice start by that young Mr Anderson. My day could be quite short, I fear.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 11:11:19 am
You now have the two highest scorers in test cricket sharing the crease.

Will anyone offer odds on them still being together at the close of play tonight?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 11:17:42 am
Errr, there's one of 'em gone. That'll teach him to take a toilet break 13 minutes after start of play.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 13, 2011, 11:23:53 am
Boycott was dropped for slow scoring in the 1960s after a double century.

Edit: 246 not out against India at Headingley in 1967.
I can just about remember when England's opening partnership was .... Boycott and Tavare.

Snooze-tastic.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 11:32:48 am
I remember Gooch's first test century, against the West Indies in about ... 1978? From memory, he was second out, with the team score on 165. His share was 123. Guess who his partners were.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 11:41:53 am
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63267.html

Smug - apart from the year.  :smug:

Edit: I've just realised that the W. Indies' bowling attack was Holding, Roberts, Garner, Croft and Richards. I doubt that many batsmen scored centuries against that lot.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 11:48:49 am
My telly day is looking shorter and shorter. I'd gone to all the trouble of reserving the big HD one as well.

Jimmy's on fire this morning.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 13, 2011, 12:42:10 pm
89-6 now - Tendulkar run out in rather unfortunate circumstances.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 03:12:45 pm
Very impressive. Beating the previous number one team so emphatically is quite something.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 13, 2011, 03:17:53 pm
I'm left with a feeling of anti-climax.

Just how can India be so bad?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 03:19:06 pm
They were as good as England allowed them to be. Once their heads went down, alongside injuries to key players, there was no way back.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 03:20:19 pm
Top of the World. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0G-c4QDMzU)    Woot!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 03:21:05 pm
It's a great triumph for Essex, in the same way as the 1966 football world cup was a great triumph for West Ham. O:-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 13, 2011, 03:26:05 pm
^ ^

Tru dat.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 13, 2011, 07:20:00 pm
It's a great triumph for Essex, in the same way as the 1966 football world cup was a great triumph for West Ham. O:-)

And Ravi Bopara gets to concentrate on his county game again.

Man of the Match?  For me, Kumar, he just kept at it, bat and ball, when all around had lost it.  Cook was good but he was only playing against India.  Kumar did it against the best team in the world!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: RJ on August 13, 2011, 09:36:20 pm
Top of the World.    Woot!!

And a distraction from this:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/14498107.stm  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 13, 2011, 09:43:27 pm
Top of the World.    Woot!!

And a distraction from this:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/14498107.stm  ;) ;D

Which was also excellent news!  :D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 15, 2011, 01:41:22 pm
I'm left with a feeling of anti-climax.

Just how can India be so bad?

Someone suggested that this team was Bangladesh in disguise...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 19, 2011, 02:45:17 pm
Bell and KP keeping the scoreboard ticking over nicely...  :thumbsup:

Lovely text message posted on the website coverage in response to the roving reporter talking of spectators "quaffing" champagne:

Quote
From Sammy in Edinburgh: "One does not quaff champagne. To quaff is to drink with such abandon that up to 50% (in rare cases more!) fails to reach the intended recipient's stomach and instead finds sanctuary in their beard, on their person, in their lap, on a table, the floor, the beard or person of another or alternatively somewhere it shouldn't have even been possible to reach. The best example of quaffers are dwarfs."

 ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 20, 2011, 07:03:31 pm
So have India just lost the will in this series because their heart is in the IPL & not test match cricket any longer, or, because England are just much better and they're fed up of being thrashed... or other?

C'mon England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 20, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
I'm afraid I've rather lost interest.
As the main entertainment of the summer, India have been hugely disappointing.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 20, 2011, 07:45:01 pm
Yebbut, they were no.1 in the world, until we had a go at them...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 22, 2011, 03:40:35 pm
Wahey!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 22, 2011, 03:44:09 pm
Tendulkar was unlucky (again)
Then there was a batting collapse which would have done the England of old proud, until finally ....

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 22, 2011, 04:26:38 pm
Woohooo.  Whitewash!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 22, 2011, 04:28:15 pm
Quote
"That's their seventh innings victory in their last 13 Tests."
  TMS
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 22, 2011, 07:41:03 pm
Who was man of the match?
Can't find mention of it anywhere on the BBC's match report - just the 'men of the series'

EDIT: found it - buried in the live text commentary. As I suspected, it was Ian Bell (deservedly so too, a cracking innings)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on October 14, 2011, 07:20:29 pm
Why after a test series, ODI & twenty20 games against India earlier in the year, are England now in India having another ODI series?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on October 14, 2011, 07:21:39 pm
To lose.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on October 14, 2011, 08:03:56 pm
Yes, and after a run of superfluous ODIs, at least there's the characterful setting of Dubai and the Pakistan test matches to look forward to...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 17, 2012, 09:37:31 am
If there is an innings defeat in this current match, it won't be us handing it out.

Holding the match in Dubai seems like an interesting choice...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2012, 10:10:17 am
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.

Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.

There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on January 17, 2012, 10:13:58 am
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.

Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.

There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.
Listening to it on 5 Live at the moment - up until Swann came in it sounded more like a bloody massacre than a cricket match.
By the sound of it, the pitch is as flat as a flat thing, which makes Ajmal's current figures even more intriguing.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on January 17, 2012, 10:34:17 am
I'm there! It's a bit quiet. Ajmal looks bloody dangerous and they got the spinners on in the sixth over.

Oops, Nelson. Hop, lads.

There'll be more here on Friday, assuming the match lasts long enough. There are loads of Pakistanis in Dubai but they're either working or don't give a toss about Tests.

Hello, Deano!  How much did it cost to get in?  I'd have to mortgage my house to get into Old Trafford for a test.  Good to hear from you!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 17, 2012, 10:45:39 am
I'm there! It's a bit quiet.

The target* is to get as many runs as there are spectators there, apparently

*for England - or maybe even the whole match  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2012, 10:53:44 am
Peter - Only 20 dirhams or just over three quid. The VIP tickets at 100 dirhams do, however, give you access to the bar...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on January 17, 2012, 11:43:21 am
Still, it's nice to see the England I'm comfortable with back. I've missed them.

If it wasn't for Prior trying to muck things up.  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on January 17, 2012, 12:14:10 pm
For those not in Dubai, see it here

http://www.crictime.com/live-cricket-streaming-1.htm
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2012, 12:16:13 pm
At least I'll get to see England bowl.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on January 17, 2012, 01:06:36 pm
(click to show/hide)

could have been worse
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on January 17, 2012, 01:11:28 pm
(click to show/hide)

could have been worse
Really?!

Another spoiler ..
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: robgul on January 17, 2012, 07:41:55 pm
Some pleb in the small group of spectators has just described Dubai as a "warm Milton Keynes"   ;D  ... didn't go down too well with Mrs Robgul who's off there for a week in March  (sans me - I didn't want to go/spend the money - she's going with her brother and sister-in-law)  - I am planning a cycling tour for that week ...  :thumbsup:

Rob
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 18, 2012, 08:33:56 pm
At the risk of lowering Mrs Robgul's expectationa - it's at least a hot Milton Keynes ;)

Actually, it is amazing, especially if you like shopping. The transport from the cricket stadium left something to be desired.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: CrinklyLion on January 18, 2012, 08:39:45 pm
You've got a bike, haven't you?

I don't know, youth of today  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 18, 2012, 08:44:00 pm
It's probably about three miles to go as the crow flies from where I'm staying to the cricket stadium. By road, make it 10 or 12.

Unfortunately this would involve crosisng two motorways without pedstrian facilities.

Walking in Dubai is tricky.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on January 19, 2012, 10:53:18 am
(click to show/hide)

could have been worse
Really?!

Another spoiler ..
(click to show/hide)

See, told you it could be worse, now it is. :'(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on January 19, 2012, 01:52:07 pm
We were robbed - there is no way Strauss should have been out.  >:(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Karla on January 19, 2012, 02:32:42 pm
I have an Indian and a Pakistani in my office.  It has been suggested to me that I divert their attention by mentioning Kashmir.  In the name of peace, I think I'll hold my tongue and endure the cricketing jibes.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on January 19, 2012, 03:21:37 pm
I'm experiencing Déjà vu here. A government taking us back to the worst of the 80's, a cricket team doing the same ...
It's all so familiar.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Pancho on January 19, 2012, 06:43:49 pm
Yebbut, the Windies were good back then.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2012, 10:37:18 am
Ok, so Pakistan are bowling well - good pressure, but the England batsmen are tossing the series away at the moment...  KP and Strauss having bit of a mare in general.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on January 28, 2012, 10:42:27 am
It's all being left for Monty to carry the day. Isn't it?
At least I hope that's the plan.
 :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2012, 11:23:13 am
Strauss was on borrowed time - let's see what the ill Trott can do...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2012, 11:56:16 am
 England demonstrate the problem they have with spin, and the fact that we've been forever mentally scarred by Shane Warne.    ::-) ::-) :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on January 28, 2012, 12:09:11 pm
If i'd got up earlier, i was going to post at 0800. Something like:
"Hoorah, this looks easy now!"

I came home at 1130 and turned on the radio ...
 ::-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 28, 2012, 12:12:25 pm
Ooops.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on January 28, 2012, 12:15:18 pm
I was driving and so restricted to long wave.
Yet again a match finishes during the shipping forecast.
It's getting almost wierd.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2012, 12:15:57 pm
Well........

To play so well in the field and so indifferent in the middle. What a compellingly strange game it can be sometimes.
 :-[
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2012, 12:17:51 pm
England's lowest score ever against Pakistan.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2012, 12:19:08 pm
I was driving and so restricted to long wave.
Yet again a match finishes during the shipping forecast.
It's getting almost wierd.

I was tempted to listen to the SF instead.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on January 28, 2012, 12:28:21 pm
I went and took a shower when we were 5 down. I had a ominous feeling that I was going to be free to watch the magic of the FA cup this afternoon.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2012, 12:32:31 pm
Oh, I don't know, it's not so bad.
It's kind of reasurring to get back on familar ground once again.
All this stuff about being the No1 team in the world always sounded a bit of an odd concept to get ones head round :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on January 28, 2012, 04:50:52 pm
Oh, I don't know, it's not so bad.
It's kind of reasurring to get back on familar ground once again.
All this stuff about being the No1 team in the world always sounded a bit of an odd concept to get ones head round :)

 ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 03, 2012, 08:37:37 am
Seems I should have got up earlier to watch it before it was all over...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on February 03, 2012, 09:56:46 am
It'll all be over by lunch tomorrow. There's a crap T20 going on in Oz as well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on February 03, 2012, 10:26:10 am
We're 7 for 2.

ICA might be right!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on February 03, 2012, 10:31:16 am
We'll be lucky to make 99.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on February 03, 2012, 12:34:13 pm
Still 24 runs to go to pass Pakistan...  It's like our recognised batsmen have become tail enders - fair play to the good Pakistan bowlers though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 03, 2012, 01:03:24 pm
2 runs to go!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on February 03, 2012, 01:07:19 pm
Another wicket bites the dust...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on February 03, 2012, 01:29:26 pm
If this was Lancs v Surrey at OT, the pitch inspectors would be in, smartish.
Not that they'd find owt wrong mind. Can't even blame 'Chucker' Ajmal for this one.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on February 04, 2012, 11:14:29 am
<waves as series white-wash salvage attempt all but disappears from view>
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on February 06, 2012, 09:05:35 am
Nice to see the beginnings of some semblance of a fight.

It could still all be over by tea-time, but at least they seem to be making a contest of it. It's probably quite good fun for the neutral!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on February 06, 2012, 09:22:41 am
Errrrr.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 06, 2012, 09:59:44 am
Um.

Monty for his first Test hundred anyone?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 06, 2012, 11:54:55 am
100 for the win!!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on February 06, 2012, 12:06:36 pm
It's (already) their 2nd biggest innings of the series. Quite respectable, batting last.

(just heard: apparently we've only been white-washed 6 times in test history!

EDIT: best stat - fom cricinfo - this is only the second time in the last 100 years that a team has won a Test after being bowled out for less than 100. )
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on February 06, 2012, 01:10:32 pm
So. Bell and Morgan must be out for SL now. Strauss is a walking wicket but I can't see him stepping down.
Are there any spare Saffers about that we can recruit? How can we bribe Trescothick back into international cricket? TBH we look royally fucked.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on March 29, 2012, 11:17:17 am
England batsmen really can't deal with 'sub-continent' pitches/spin can they...  Perhaps sides rely too much on being good on surfaces they're used too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 29, 2012, 11:24:21 am
Where were you on Day2 Andy?!? http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58135.0

Oh well, I guess that thread can drift down into the depths for future compaction now ...

Anyway: yes, and Sir Geoffrey would seem to agree with you. There were enough wickets thrown away that Pietersen is no longer the bad guy.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 20, 2012, 06:42:15 pm
I thought I'd resurrect this thread given that England, needing 191 to win, are 10 for 2.  :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Adrian on May 20, 2012, 06:49:31 pm
I thought I'd resurrect this thread given that England, needing 191 to win, are 10 for 2.  :o
Which is how much it costs to get in tomorrow. £10 that is. For anyone local enough with the time and interest, bargain.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 20, 2012, 06:52:45 pm
England should do it, unless there's a clutch of early wickets tomorrow am.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 20, 2012, 08:31:03 pm
191 is quite a tall order for the last innings of a match.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 21, 2012, 09:04:02 am
Yes. it will be difficult.  I was trying to see if I could get England 4th innings run totals at Lords on Statsguru at cricinfo but failed... probably there somewhere. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 21, 2012, 09:25:23 am
http://www.cricket365.com/stats/test-records/team/fourth-innings-run-chases

The top 30 take you down to only 294. I'd be interested in the average all-out score for the losing team batting last.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 21, 2012, 12:07:28 pm
Hanging in the balance - if we have a decent stand now it may be enough.  I think the WI may get this one.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on May 21, 2012, 12:11:50 pm
Hanging in the balance - if we have a decent stand now it may be enough.  I think the WI may get this one.
Another sterling innings from Pietersen, I notice  ::-)

Just drop him already ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 21, 2012, 02:01:25 pm
England actually looking in a good position now... (atm)

Do you reckon Strauss has done enough?

From guardian...
Quote
"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on May 21, 2012, 02:39:39 pm
England actually looking in a good position now... (atm)

Do you reckon Strauss has done enough?

From guardian...
Quote
"Surely Strauss, God love him, is the cold leftover pizza of the cricketing world? Glorious the day before but, with expectations still artificially high the next morning, he becomes a chilled, coagulated imitation of his prior steaming, cheesy goodness."
Actually, I rather like cold pizza :)

All over bar the shouting now, though - Cook went for 79 with two required to win.

EDIT: all over now -
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Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 26, 2012, 11:23:20 am
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Adrian on May 26, 2012, 11:47:06 am
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?
About 2 minutes ago
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on May 27, 2012, 04:11:20 pm
How long is it since England had to bowl to two West Indians at the crease, both of whom were on more than 100?
Don't panic WB! Your beloved England may still pull through! Stop being such a pessimist - I'm sure you can find some good news to post :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 22, 2012, 12:34:48 pm
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and one double century for SA.  Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Steve GT on July 23, 2012, 09:48:10 am
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and one double triple century for SA.  Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Fixed that for you  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 23, 2012, 09:55:20 am
We can't even blame a 'docile' pitch, as the SA bowlers are doing something on it...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2012, 10:06:01 am
Still, all we have to do is get the tail to bat for a day.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 23, 2012, 11:51:05 am
Oh dear - we're getting hammered now; two centuries, and one double triple century for SA.  Still the cricket's taking a back seat today...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18938323
Fixed that for you  ;)

Amost a single, double, and triple 100...   :o   Touch n' go for an innings defeat.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Steve GT on July 23, 2012, 04:08:07 pm
Saffers take 20 wickets where England could only manage 2....
Massive statistic.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 23, 2012, 04:39:36 pm
Saffers take 20 wickets where England could only manage 2....
Massive statistic.

Yes, but we were playing South Africa, whereas they were only playing England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 19, 2012, 05:51:45 pm
Whadyya reckon, can England get 346 runs to win in a day and a bit..?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 19, 2012, 07:06:22 pm
No.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 19, 2012, 08:40:08 pm
No.

I don't think so either, especially since Eng. are now two wickets down.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 19, 2012, 08:50:57 pm
No.

I don't think so either, especially since Eng. are now two wickets down.

Unlike series in the past, we've done ok, played a bit under par, but it's blatantly obvious that over the 3 tests SA are really playing at the top of their game and have us well beat.

I've enjoyed it though. And its rather nice to let TMS emerge from the domination of other sporting coverage, to remind us that, despite games in other single-ball sports that have already begun while the sun still shines [massive groan] it is, just, still summer.

Shall we discuss Pietersen?  :demon:

Answer: You can if you want too  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 20, 2012, 04:38:05 pm
If England pull it off, I'll eat my bike helmet (well, try to).

Still, think I'm safe.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 20, 2012, 05:21:31 pm
Oh well four of England's top order batsmen didn't do much at all, and could have made all the diffs; but then I think RSA are a better side atm...  KP may feel some more backlash though...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 20, 2012, 05:54:37 pm
A superb game!  But two run-outs in a run-chase like that?  I don't think it would have happened if Dave Brailsford had been managing England!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 20, 2012, 06:11:44 pm
Well that was a right larf, especially in the afternoon.
Great accompaniment to the days work.

And Test Match TMS closes down for another summer :'(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 20, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
Garry, you're not a surgeon or a pilot are you?  Don't think i'd want you to be listening to such a gripping match in the circs.!

I'll miss TMS as well.  This age thing, it's hell, no?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 20, 2012, 10:28:48 pm
Garry, you're not a surgeon or a pilot are you?  Don't think i'd want you to be listening to such a gripping match in the circs.!

[looks round at living environment]
Nah...no need to worry about that.
The application of paint is affected by very little!

You mention those run outs.
I didn't get chance to see the highlights, but it sounds like Taylor was put in a tough situation by Trott, whereas the Swann run-out was a bit more a case of adrenaline pumping like crazy in the heat of the moment, and judgement getting lost in the process.

What is heartening though, and it makes for a welcome change, is that despite the defeat, opportunist negativity seems to be most gratefully absent.

Nice easy warm down next over the winter....against India. In India  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 20, 2012, 10:38:50 pm
Nice easy warm down next over the winter....against India. In India  :)

Ooh, goody.  I enjoy that. 
Set long wave radio alarm to 05:30 and listen to an hour or so of Bloody Shipping Forecasts TMS until it's time to get up.
But of course, I don't get up do I? 

10 I'll just listen to the next over and then I'll go for a shower
20 Go to 10

I'm always late for work when there's a test match in India.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 20, 2012, 10:48:02 pm
aren't there still some one day games to be played ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 20, 2012, 10:52:02 pm
aren't there still some one day games to be played ?

Yes and some 20/20 games also
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 21, 2012, 10:46:45 am
Hundreds of them.  I'll enjoy them but they're nothing like the real thing!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 29, 2012, 08:43:10 am
Strauss may go... 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19407237
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 29, 2012, 03:24:37 pm
well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 29, 2012, 03:40:04 pm
well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return

I thought he'd announced his retirement from all forms of cricket. Not much chance of a return to form if that's the case.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 29, 2012, 03:49:45 pm
well it's official now Andy Strauss stands down, shame he feels he needs to stand down as he was a good captain, I'm sure his form will return

I thought he'd announced his retirement from all forms of cricket. Not much chance of a return to form if that's the case.
Indeed. I suspect a cushy job as a pundit/commentator now awaits.
Personally, I think he made the wrong decision - the ECB would have been better off stating that Kevin Pietersen's international career is now thoroughly dead and buried.

Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 29, 2012, 06:35:43 pm
I was surprised he retired from all cricket, have to say.  He must have really had enough.  I sure he could have returned to form; Pietersen spent enough time in the out of form wilderness.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 29, 2012, 06:37:46 pm
I know there isn't a direct connection, but today I think Pietersen is a knob more strongly than I did yesterday. And yesterday I thought he was a massive knob.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 29, 2012, 06:43:00 pm
I wonder if it's because he suspects that the ECB intends to rehabilitate KP as soon as "decently" possible?  Of course, he could just have had enough and who can blame him.  He took England to the top and that must have put him under intense pressure over the years.  So much international cricket is played these days that it's pretty-much a disincentive to be good.  He's probably just worn-out.

Let's just say, "Thanks!"
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 29, 2012, 06:49:25 pm
I know there isn't a direct connection, but today I think Pietersen is a knob more strongly than I did yesterday. And yesterday I thought he was a massive knob.
I think I'll stick with 'arrogant prick'.
If he was half as good as he thinks he is then England would be in a far better position.

But he's not and we aren't.

Personally, I think Strauss handled the joint responsibilities of captain/opener pretty well - clearly he has his own reasons for wanting to retire from all forms of cricket, and it'll be a pity if he felt compelled to do so because of the antics of a bell-end like KP.

It'll be interesting to see how things pan out on the India tour.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 29, 2012, 06:56:59 pm
Agreed.

(I expect KP was just another irritation that made the job less enjoyable, rather than a key factor.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 29, 2012, 07:46:51 pm
Let's just say, "Thanks!"

Yes, quite.

Not eveybodys favourite, but Aggers was asking Boycott during the last test match how he would sum up Strauss's time as captain. It's out there somewhere, but Boycott didn't hold back in his complimentary assessment of Strauss during his reign, and I remember being very engaged with what he was saying.
I guess it's been in the air for some time.

I think he's been really excellent. Honest and dignified in departure too. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19410523)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 29, 2012, 08:01:08 pm
Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.

Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces. Still, good luck to him.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: interzen on August 30, 2012, 01:07:36 pm
Still, I reckon Cookie will make a good captain providing he's actually given time to prove himself (or not) in the role.

Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces. Still, good luck to him.
Therein lies the problem - we're playing India in India and our record over there is less than stellar (just as well we're not playing Sri Lanka too!). Whilst I'm sure that Cook knows what to expect, the bigger worry is that the ECB, in their infinite wisdom, will replace him with someone else when we invariably take a subcontinental pounding.

A baptism of fire, to be sure.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on October 29, 2012, 11:04:53 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/29/nick-compton-england-india

Wouldn't it be great if he turned out to be even half as good as his grand-dad. :D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on October 29, 2012, 11:11:13 pm
And he's helping to keep up the tradition of England being South Africa's B team!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on October 29, 2012, 11:15:08 pm
Oh god, is he? I didn't realise that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on October 29, 2012, 11:16:29 pm
Well, he was born there, like Trott, et al....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 17, 2012, 11:31:25 am
What a surprise England already on a losing streak in India; and with an apparent dearth of spinners...

(feel free to move this to Sporting Life)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on November 17, 2012, 11:58:59 am
You should be able to move it yourself, Andy, as you are the thread owner.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 17, 2012, 12:19:24 pm
I can't see any 'move' options.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on November 17, 2012, 12:21:24 pm
There should be a "move topic" button at the bottom left. Odd place for it, really.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 17, 2012, 12:35:47 pm
There should be a "move topic" button at the bottom left. Odd place for it, really.

Got it.   :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on November 17, 2012, 01:14:06 pm
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on November 18, 2012, 10:06:30 am
Great to see KP back in the team   ::-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on November 18, 2012, 10:18:59 am
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.

I tend to listen to TMS or follow it online.

Aye, Monty must be wondering why they bothered taking him. I suppose the management expected it to be a batting surface where they would be better off having a few seamers to contain the Indian batsmen. And England wouldn't bat quite so poorly in the first innings..
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 18, 2012, 10:49:43 am
why oh why have they left Monty in the wings yet again,
and isn't it very difficult to keep track of the matches without sky.

Isn't that a problem with BCCI? I thought they'd been difficult over media access?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on November 23, 2012, 09:42:34 am
oh look they seem to have remembered to use Monty,
and it will help speed up the over rate

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on November 25, 2012, 11:06:06 am
All I'm going to say is Blimey !!!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 25, 2012, 11:08:47 am
Crikey. That'll learn me to have another cup of tea in bed!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on November 25, 2012, 11:12:19 am
Heh. I'm still tucked up. That's the beauty of multiroom.  ;D
oh and

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Why couldn't we claim the extra half hour?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on November 25, 2012, 11:17:41 am
It's only day 3 and I think you can only claim te extra half-hour if you think a result is imminent and could be achieved in that time.  Inda are 30-odd ahead with 3 wickets still to fall.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 25, 2012, 11:29:41 am
Good grief when I left - India had lost no wickets, back at 11 and I see Monty done good!   :thumbsup:  Where was he in that first test??
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 25, 2012, 11:51:34 am
Cook. 4 centuries in his first four innings as captain. First person ever to do that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 25, 2012, 11:55:15 am
Pretty good, considering the tricky conditions.  I wonder if it's been confirmed that monty is the 'first England spinner to take 10 wickets in India since Hedley Verity in 1933-34'...

Don't seem to be any decent highlights on terrestrial TV...   :-\   
edit.  'Monty Panesar' into Youtube does it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on November 25, 2012, 05:46:26 pm
Magic stuff.

And great to see Panesar and Swann taking centre stage with the wicket haul.

Well, I most certainly hope so, but I must admit to being a bit nervous about him [Cooke] coming in right now. I don't think he's in a rock-solid place himself as far as batting form goes, and what with India in India, that's some challenge he faces.

Dear oh dear, what a lot of bollocks people write on the internet!  :D

But where's the Boxing Day test? I've just been looking at the schedule and there's nought happening!
They're back in the UK! Is this the first time we haven't had a Boxing day test. Can't remember what happened last year.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on November 25, 2012, 06:15:44 pm
Don't you only get Boxing Day tests in Australia?  Pretty sure there's not been one in England!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on November 25, 2012, 06:32:19 pm
Don't you only get Boxing Day tests in Australia?

Indeed, true enough. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day_Test)
Well I never!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 06, 2012, 08:49:16 am
Alastair Cook has beaten Tendulka's record to become youngest person to reach 7000 test runs. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 06, 2012, 08:57:02 am
Blimey! That's an impressive record to have
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on December 06, 2012, 09:16:14 am
And now Cook's got his 23rd Test century, becoming England's most prolific century maker ever.

Good on Compton for reach his first Test fifty, too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on December 06, 2012, 12:07:56 pm
yes he's even gone past Boiks ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on December 06, 2012, 12:13:12 pm
On TMS, Boycott managed to crowbar in the fact that he scored 23 Test centuries, but one was for the RotW against South Africa, so it doesn't count. It obviously rankles a bit.

Shame I jinxed Compton - he was out an over or two after I posted that...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on December 06, 2012, 06:42:58 pm
And now Cook's got his 23rd Test century, becoming England's most prolific century maker ever.

Amazing career to date really.
How much county cricket had he played before being selected for England? Can't have been that much.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 06, 2012, 06:50:16 pm
He made his first team debut for Essex in 2003. He first played for England (senior level) in 2006.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 06, 2012, 08:03:49 pm
Alastair Cook has beaten Tendulka's record to become youngest person to reach 7000 test runs.
Stats are wonderful things.

IIRC Tendulkar beat him to 3000, 4000, 5000 etc ...    :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clarion on December 06, 2012, 08:06:53 pm
I'm not normally bothered by the game, but Cook's achievements are worthy of celebration.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Canardly on December 06, 2012, 08:13:43 pm
Wot he said ^^^^^^^
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 07, 2012, 08:55:32 am
And what an unfortunate way to get out! Run out on 190, in freak circumstances - the first time he's been run out in first class cricket.

He's lucky he never had to have Boycott as a partner.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on December 08, 2012, 11:15:40 am
I've only just seen the Cook run out, not a lot to say really, bad judgment, lapse of concentration, who knows, but one thing's for sure no one is going to be feeling as bad about as Cook does,
more up to date India go in to a 5th day but are only 30 odd runs in front, so our bowlers will return refreshed tomorrow and a win is on the cards
but it's when England get in to positions like this that we tend to get it all wrong, fingers crossed   

Edit: I've just had a look at the 1st innings score card and if it weren't for Cooks 190 we would be in a more normal position for an England team, saying that though, the only real let down in the first 8 batsmen was bell with 5, also didn't KP get out playing a sweep shot ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 08, 2012, 11:19:55 am
Surely England will win within the hour unless it rains all day.

An impressive piece of cheating by the third umpire, it seems: the two umpires on the pitch decided to send a decision on Gambhir upstairs to see if the ball carried to the fielder for a catch, and it did. However, the 3rd umpire ruled not out on the grounds that Gambhir didn't hit the ball. That's not his job: the two umpires on the pitch had already decided that he had hit it. Fortunately Gambhir was out only a few balls later anyway.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on December 08, 2012, 11:52:21 am
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 08, 2012, 01:32:33 pm
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.

That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the Guardian over-by-over column:

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Is this another wicket? Gambhir pushed at Swann, who went up for the LBW, but as he did so Trott took a low catch at slip and set off in celebration. The umpires went upstairs, presumably to check if it carried, which it did – but Gambhir did not hit it. The problem is that the third umpire cannot overrule on that; his only remit is to determine whether it carried. Gambhir has been not out. This is really controversial. Surely the third umpire can only rule on whether it carried? It appears the third umpire may have taken the law into his hands. Ultimately it's the right decision – Gambhir didn't hit it – although that's not the point. Unless we're missing something really obvious, which can't be ruled out, England have been stitched up there. You can't have the third umpire making it up as he goes along.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on December 09, 2012, 06:31:10 pm
well I didn't get up early enough to listen to any of the cricket, so how did it go ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 09, 2012, 06:37:47 pm
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.

That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the

That's ridiculous. So you could have a situation where an umpire talks to the third umpire and might say something like "Well, was he out?" and the third umpire, who has seen something else has to lie and say "No" even though he can see the batsman clearly was.

Might as well scrap it and go back to the old fashioned way of umpiring....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on December 10, 2012, 12:29:24 pm
I think umpires have a hard job, even more so in the modern game with all the technology and the attitude of the players.

That's true, but he was specifically being asked whether the ball had carried, not on whether the batsman had hit it. From the

That's ridiculous. So you could have a situation where an umpire talks to the third umpire and might say something like "Well, was he out?" and the third umpire, who has seen something else has to lie and say "No" even though he can see the batsman clearly was.

Might as well scrap it and go back to the old fashioned way of umpiring....
No when a catch is referred to the Third Umpire the laws also require the Third umpire to check if it was a legal delivery (no ball) and if it is a fair catch. Obviously it can't be a fair catch if the player didn't hit it.

There was subsequent discussion of this on TMS including Aggers siting an early example from before this clarification in a ODI of the player being given out caught off a no ball because the third umpire wasn't allowed to check that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 13, 2012, 10:44:22 am
Anyone heard of Root?

Shouldn't speak too soon - but Prior is pretty good value isn't he...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on December 14, 2012, 08:10:29 am
I'd heard Root was an all-rounder...

India'll be batting by now (Monty was just coming in when I left the house). Anyone know if their score of 330-ish is any good on this pitch?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 14, 2012, 08:36:14 am
Well, there was a wicket first over, but they're scoring at the moment. We need wickets a after tea.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on December 14, 2012, 09:13:13 am
Just catching up. Hurrah! Good to see Sehwag's out. He could have made a mockery of our total.

From 140-5 it's a pretty good total. Maybe Swann should bat at number 8 more often.

India to get a narrow lead and England to set them a naughty 150-200 to win in the fourth innings?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on December 14, 2012, 10:17:49 am
Tendulka.  Gone!  :D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 14, 2012, 10:27:08 am
That's the top 4 gone!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 14, 2012, 10:30:32 am
And India still need 60 to avoid following on.  That would be astonishing from a total of 330.  This must be some pitch.  What a game cricket is!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 14, 2012, 10:31:00 am
Last 10 overs 14 runs 3 wickets, I think is the stat.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 14, 2012, 10:34:42 am
Anyone know if their score of 330-ish is any good on this pitch?

I reckon it'll do  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on December 14, 2012, 11:45:31 am
Pessimism is the natural state for England fans, isn't it? They scratch their way to a semi-respectable score, then the opposition comes to smack it around with ease and turn the scoreboard over to 700-5 before declaring and bowling England out for 72. Uusually.

In this match, though, it sounds as though our bowlers got a lot more out of the pitch than the Indian bowlers.

Anyone know a good YouTube channel for highlights? The damn Sky monopoly is getting annoying.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 14, 2012, 11:49:55 am
It looks like the scoreboard is sponsored by a cycle manufacturer but it isn't, it is an incense manufacturer.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 14, 2012, 01:27:08 pm
Pessimism is the natural state for England fans, isn't it? They scratch their way to a semi-respectable score, then the opposition comes to smack it around with ease and turn the scoreboard over to 700-5 before declaring and bowling England out for 72. Uusually.

In this match, though, it sounds as though our bowlers got a lot more out of the pitch than the Indian bowlers.

Anyone know a good YouTube channel for highlights? The damn Sky monopoly is getting annoying.

I emailed the ECB about the lack of highlights and got a reply about host nation selling the cricket rights and also no terrestrial TV stations being interested....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 14, 2012, 07:58:35 pm
Hven't checked this series, but until recently Ch4 then Ch5 were running a highlights show, around 8pm.

I generally consume the 5Extra highlights (on a loop) - might be on a podcast as well?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 15, 2012, 10:07:42 am
Now it really is turning into a game!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 15, 2012, 11:12:02 am
And it's getting better!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on December 15, 2012, 11:21:58 am
There are usually highlights at close of play at crictime.com (http://www.crictime.com/live_cricket_streaming_1.htm)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 15, 2012, 11:55:38 am
I clicked on that and was bombarded with spam.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 15, 2012, 12:11:43 pm
I go YouTube and search India England Cricket then use filter for 'today'
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on December 15, 2012, 12:26:54 pm
I clicked on that and was bombarded with spam.

I can only think it's adblock plus which is saving me from such a fate.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 15, 2012, 01:33:08 pm
Should be an interesting couple of days.  Dhoni and Kohli have made a series defeat for India less likely now.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 15, 2012, 03:23:28 pm
Considering England are 2-1 up in the series and this match is clearly heading for a draw - I'd say a series defeat is still the most likely outcome for India!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 16, 2012, 06:55:18 am
I have just read the Graun's over-by-over commentary. Charlotte has emailed to say "I'm pretty sleep deprived at the moment, courtesy of my 3-month-old..."

Now I haven't seen Charlotte for a while.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 16, 2012, 08:49:52 am
Considering England are 2-1 up in the series and this match is clearly heading for a draw - I'd say a series defeat is still the most likely outcome for India!

I was imagining an England 2nd innings of something like 80 all out...  Actually every time I tune in, within a minute or so, someone's out - first Cook and now Compton. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 17, 2012, 09:52:41 am
So that's it then! Trott and Bell hit centuries and Root now averages over 100 in test cricket :P

First series win in India since 1985. I was only a child at the time, but I seem to remember Gatting and Botham hitting double centuries in the same match (or even innings) in that series?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 17, 2012, 09:58:43 am
Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 17, 2012, 10:30:17 am
Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?

Ah! My mistake, I got a bit carried away after reading "Vic has noticed that if Root can get to 27 not out by the close, he'll have a Test average of 100"

Of course, he didn't get to 27...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 17, 2012, 10:31:42 am
Good series win.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on December 17, 2012, 10:42:11 am
Surely Root's average is 93? 73 out in the first innings, 20 no out in the second?

Ah! My mistake, I got a bit carried away after reading "Vic has noticed that if Root can get to 27 not out by the close, he'll have a Test average of 100"

Vic remarked that his test average would be higher than any other Yorkshireman (and one Yorkshireman in particular).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 17, 2012, 10:53:14 am
A nice comment I found on the Graun website:

Quote
I was watching 'Sports Personality...' last night and it occured to me that, wonderful though this sporting year has been, after losing the first Test and losing the toss in Mumbai, this turnaround is as big and unlikely a triumph as anything celebrated last night.
Cook's taking over has reset the team. They're like a computer that has been turned off and turned on again - still basically the same machine but apparently free of the various bugs and glitches that were riddling them by the end of last summer.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 23, 2012, 02:59:43 pm
I listened to the last 15mins of the T20 match; 3 to win off the last ball of the match... Pretty exciting stuff even though I'm not a huge fan of the 'shortest format'.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 23, 2013, 01:08:53 pm
You'd think that with all the money sloshing around in Indian cricket, that they'd be able to implement the umpire Decision Review System, with hawk-eye etc.  Not universally popular, but it does arguably help with those more outrageously bad umpiring decisions.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on January 23, 2013, 03:45:16 pm
Didn't India  use to be the home of betting scandals?  Any connection, do you think?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 23, 2013, 07:25:46 pm
Nah, the BCCI just didn't want it implemented in the series with England. They've had a problem with it for a while, and I think the official line is that they question the accuracy of the predictive bit, used for lbw decisions. Which, of course, doesn't explain why they couldn't use the non-predictive elements.

There was a rumour that Tendulkar personally objected to it being used.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on January 27, 2013, 02:08:21 pm
so we win the last one day game against India after being absolutely hammered in the last 4, not just a win but we stuffed them, we only lost 3 wickets and had  3 overs left. Did we play better or did India just play badly or is there something more sinister afoot, do I need to put my deer stalker and pipe away?  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on January 27, 2013, 02:17:24 pm
We lost the series 3-2, not 4-1.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on January 27, 2013, 02:33:22 pm
 Oh OK I'll put miss marple back in the box then  :-[
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on January 28, 2013, 08:18:07 am
And the two games England won were the only two where they won the toss.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on January 28, 2013, 08:31:30 am
I've heard a theory that India only win after winning the toss.


;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 31, 2013, 07:14:15 pm
I've heard a theory that India only win after winning the toss.


;)

I totally missed this final match - perhaps the dead rubber effect.  A consolation win.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 05, 2013, 10:21:42 pm
Oh FFS!

At 9pm I was praising the benefits of NZ test matches - you can listen to a few hours before bedtime, then maybe listen to the highlights podcast in the morning - but now it's nearly 1030, and there's no play.

COs it's TOO DARK to play at 10am?!? In southern hemispshere March?!?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 06, 2013, 09:06:36 am
I believe it was raining, m'lud.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 06, 2013, 06:29:54 pm
I don't THINK it was raining at StartofPLay O'clock - unless i misheard the commentary. Just dark.

(In fact they said that floodlights would have allowed play!)

But I suspect it rained later ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on March 06, 2013, 11:02:25 pm
having teased a kiwi colleague about the NZ cricket side method of ensuring a 5 day match, I think it may be the England side who are glad it is a four day test.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 07, 2013, 10:54:21 am
deplorable sho by the mcc a lot of rabits :(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 07, 2013, 03:35:59 pm
I think it's business as usual for England: lose first test of an away series, get the bets on, win the series.  Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on March 09, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
Go on you Steven Finn!  ;D

I doubt you'll get another bowl in this match. What a dreadful pitch, how the fuck were we out for 167 first time out? Oh yeah, we were awful.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on March 10, 2013, 12:44:07 am
Nothing to worry about.

I'd be hesitant to suggest that something has changed in English cricket over the last 15 years or so. Forget the number one rating that we held for a while [I'm sure that's not the case now], but what is heartening is a change in mentality in the face of things going wrong. Collapses used to follow collapses. How many of those did we used to see? But these days, a bad day at the office doesn't necessarily mean that it's all over for the rest of the series.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 10, 2013, 10:13:34 am
Nothing to worry about.

I'd be hesitant to suggest that something has changed in English cricket over the last 15 years or so. Forget the number one rating that we held for a while [I'm sure that's not the case now], but what is heartening is a change in mentality in the face of things going wrong. Collapses used to follow collapses. How many of those did we used to see? But these days, a bad day at the office doesn't necessarily mean that it's all over for the rest of the series.

Yes, I agree.  It was also good to see Cook delivering (as he so frequently does) and England not being totally dependent on the South Africans!  Anderton is in the form of his life, too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 11, 2013, 02:15:49 pm
Meanwhile, over in Australia... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/mar/11/australia-drop-four-players)

Can you imagine Mitchell Johnson doing a powerpoint presentation? ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 11, 2013, 04:26:45 pm
Absolutely crazy!  If Arthur can't wotk out why they were hammered, then he is the one that should be on the plane; it's his job.  I think Richie Benhaud (peace be upon him) would have said, "Because India were better."

Edit - sorry don't know where that "h" came from!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 11, 2013, 11:30:16 pm
It's reminiscent of England's management in the nineties - except England at least had a couple of good players, whereas Australia are recalling Steve Smith :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 12, 2013, 12:47:30 am
Blimey, things must be bad - I remember when he was England scrum-half!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 14, 2013, 11:09:48 pm
Second test: it's predicted to rain Sunday and Monday. I wonder if England are batting for a three-day game.

Still, Prior and Pietersen are together now, and they have a very good record as a partnership.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 15, 2013, 12:10:30 am
Hmmm.  3 South African centuries in the England innings?  I expect it's happened before but not often, I would think.  Looks like being very interesting in view of your weather report, Dean but I suspect under those circumstances that England will be playing not to lose, rather than to win.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 15, 2013, 12:20:06 am
South African ...
Are people still banging on about this? Or about 'foreigners' in other walks of life?

Do other nations fret over immigrants playing for their national sides?

Come on - its 2013, people move from one country to another, get over it!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 15, 2013, 12:32:43 am
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't.  It's just a curiosity, that's all.  I suppose what helps the emigres is that they have a chance to learn their skills in a country where play is possible for so much more of the year than it is here, so it's no surprise that they surface easily over here.  You are too quick to start a fight!  It might help if you know that I also support the French team known as Newcastle United!

Peter

Edit  3 Centuries not going to happen now, anyway!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on March 15, 2013, 12:51:15 am
England captains not born in England? A few names spring to mind without even checking.

Colin Cowdrey
Mike Denness
Nasser Hussain
Tony Greig
Tony Lewis
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 15, 2013, 12:54:48 am
The superb Andrew Strauss was born in Jo'burg, which was one of the reasons I was IDLY thinking about previous centurions and wondering whether or not any combination of Strauss, Pieterson, Prior and Trott had provided 3 centuries; if not in an innings, maybe in a match?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 15, 2013, 06:52:28 am
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't.  It's just a curiosity, that's all. 
I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.

It's like casually noting numbers of goals scored by Newcastle's black players vs their white teammates.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on March 15, 2013, 08:53:45 am
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...

You gave me a shock then! You make it sound like he's dead! (He is alive and well at 83 :) )
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 15, 2013, 09:51:29 am
Sorry, Bobb!  I'm lamenting the fact that i don't hear as much of him as I'd like to because he doesn't appear on the stations I can get anymore.  He's just the best, a true successor to John Arlott.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 15, 2013, 09:59:33 am
I don't think I've ever said that I have a problem with it matt, because I haven't.  It's just a curiosity, that's all. 
I shall happily take your word for this, but you must realise that it's been an issue for many - in many media, certainly on YACF in the recent past.

It's like casually noting numbers of goals scored by Newcastle's black players vs their white teammates.

If I'm honest, matt, I suppose I do have a bit of a regret about the way football has gone.  Your particular statement about Newcastle is likely to be a bit of a non-starter, since usually there are only two non-black players who start regularly for Newcastle and one of them is the goalkeeper!  I know you will believe me when I say I have no problem at all about ethnicity in any walk of life.  It just gets more and more meaningless to say a team is from a certain town.  It's been going this way for about forty years and I wonder how long it will be before teams are actually named after their sponsor instead of it simply being on the shirt!  Anyway, it's only sport.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on March 15, 2013, 10:25:23 am
Can't see the comparison with Newcastle. We aren't talking about a County side, we are talking about England. English players should be able to trace their ancestors back to before 1066, obviously.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 15, 2013, 10:36:42 am
The English cricket team have always picked players from a broad base - in the early 20th century plenty of England players had previously played for Australia (though the reverse was rarely true).

Then through to D'Oliveira, your Alan Lambs, Robin Smiths and Graeme Hicks, through to the current lot.

Even a few Yorkshiremen have crept through the net!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on March 15, 2013, 11:13:53 am
I think Richie Benaud (peace be upon him) would have said...

You gave me a shock then! You make it sound like he's dead! (He is alive and well at 83 :) )

I had to check as well.

I'm not so sure about Benaud being the successor to Arlott. Arlott was a marvellous raconteur: I recall when he and Jim Laker were the commentators for the Sunday League, which was about 5 hours' live television on a Sunday afternoon, they were rained off one particular Sunday at Trent Bridge. Arlott took a cameraman on a tour of the Long Room and simply walked form portrait to portrait, giving a 5-minute talk about each portrait's subject. It was absolutely wonderful, gripping television and I bet no-one ever thought to record it. Having said that, I think there was sometimes a certain amount of embellishment to some of Arlott's stories.

Benaud, on the other hand, is a hard facts-and-figures technician first and foremost. A great commentator, not given to unnecessary flannel. If you were watching a test match and no-one spoke for several seconds, you knew it was Ritchie Benaud's turn with the microphone.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on March 15, 2013, 06:29:35 pm
Having said that, I think there was sometimes a certain amount of embellishment to some of Arlott's stories.

That's what wine drinkers poets do :-)

Talking about Arlott and television [not a common occurrence], did any of you ever catch this (http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/sports-broadcasting/arlott-anniversary-marked-in-melancholy-by-metcalfe/)  this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018gwvh) ?

Lived a rich and varied life that guy.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on March 16, 2013, 09:08:19 am
Sadly I missed that. He was a wonderful commentator, but to call him the "greatest sports commentator ever" is possibly to do down Bill McLaren, who had the added advantage that he was a decent enough rugby player to have represented Scotland, had ill health not cut his career short.

However, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVro7oZP-vI is just magnificent. I don't know of any other commentator who could have done that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 16, 2013, 10:35:03 am
Yes, that was superb and I agree Bill McLaren was excellent, though in fairness to John Arlott, I don't think he'd have been eligible for Scotland, would he?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on March 16, 2013, 11:17:59 am
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.

The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on March 16, 2013, 11:19:09 am
Yes, that was superb and I agree Bill McLaren was excellent, though in fairness to John Arlott, I don't think he'd have been eligible for Scotland, would he?

But he was never a cricketer of any kind, was he?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 16, 2013, 11:46:31 am
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.

The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.

Is he Sehwag's replacement? Not a bad sub to have.

Australia may be regretting dropping their best bowler.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on March 16, 2013, 01:04:03 pm
Blimey. India 3/0 at lunch, 283/0 at stumps, with Shikhar Dhawan 185 not out on his test debut.

The Australians looked distinctly ragged in the last half-dozen overs.

Is he Sehwag's replacement? Not a bad sub to have.

Australia may be regretting dropping their best bowler.

He's 27, and has already played 81 first class matches, so he's a bit on the old side to be making his debut. I expect he's been waiting patiently (or impatiently) for the old guard of Sehwag, Laxmann, Tendulkar etc to move on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on March 22, 2013, 11:14:12 pm
Nice to hear some new (to me) tunes from the test match trumpeter (is he officially in the Barmy Army?)
Tonight I've heard the Countdown theme and the Lord Vader theme from Star Wars. Great stuff!

But I can't be arsed to stay up any longer ... <yawn>
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on March 23, 2013, 10:32:02 pm
Wtf?
This is not looking good. :-(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 24, 2013, 10:24:36 am
It's looking a bit better, now.....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 24, 2013, 11:22:20 pm
I'm quite enjoying this passage of play. I think it's the distant cackle from Boycott in the commentary box as Monty is smacked for another six that adds the entertainment value.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 25, 2013, 11:08:04 pm
New ball taken..
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on March 25, 2013, 11:17:43 pm
Shhh!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 25, 2013, 11:20:53 pm
Dammit.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on March 26, 2013, 12:18:25 am
I wonder if they can do it... will see in the morning.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 26, 2013, 05:13:28 am
They have done it :o  :D

Shades of Cardiff.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on March 26, 2013, 05:15:17 am
 ;D but now I need to get back to sleep.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on March 26, 2013, 08:05:24 am
Just watched the last over on YT.   Well done the lads; what a draw.   :thumbsup:

3rd time in test history, side have gone in on the last day 4 wkts down and saved the series...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on March 26, 2013, 08:41:15 am
Well I wasn't expecting that! Top effort.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on March 26, 2013, 09:47:43 am
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease.  Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 26, 2013, 10:13:55 am
A tremendous effort!  I think there were some unwise decisions by NZ early on in the day, in that they could have bowled their seamers earlier, and not waited for the new ball.  Also, like Geoffrey Boycott, I thought it was tough on Bairstow, who has only a reputation to fall back on, to pick him for this test.  Were there no more experienced players who were match fit - maybe not?

A wonderful result!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on March 26, 2013, 10:23:01 am
They have done it :o  :D

Shades of Cardiff.

I'll never forget that day!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on March 26, 2013, 10:47:32 am
Aussies not doing so well...
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/poms-gloat-as-australian-cricket-team-becomes-a-global-laughing-stock-20130312-2fxa9.html

I'm not gloating...  O:-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 26, 2013, 10:59:07 am
Aussies not doing so well...
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/poms-gloat-as-australian-cricket-team-becomes-a-global-laughing-stock-20130312-2fxa9.html

I'm not gloating...  O:-)

Now is our chance to be magnanimous and allow them to eat lorry-loads of humble pie without comment or gloating!  We are going through a good patch but the South Africans are out of sight and likely to be as dominant in the future as the Australians were for most of my life thus far.  Hang on a minute....Australian headmaster/coach Mickey Arthur is a South African, isn't he?  It's all a plot!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on March 26, 2013, 11:01:02 am
I'm not gloating...  O:-)

No, remember, only gloat if we beat England.

oh, hang on...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 26, 2013, 03:00:29 pm
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease.  Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in.  ;D

I heard that on TMS. Michael Vaughan is incredibly patronising towards Panesar.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on March 26, 2013, 03:20:43 pm
Vaughan is dreadful on the radio. He's the closest thing Cricket has to a chav.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 26, 2013, 03:26:26 pm
The "Brian Johnston Champagne Moment" has to be Monty running between the wickets, and diving for the crease.  Only he dived two yards too early leaving him flat out on the pitch like a stranded porpoise and having to flop/crawl to get his bat in.  ;D

I heard that on TMS. Michael Vaughan is incredibly patronising towards Panesar.

He's incredibly patonising to practically everyone, although I haven't heard him try it on Boycott.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on March 26, 2013, 03:57:46 pm
He seems to hold a particular contempt for Panesar, though. He was digging at Monty even before the dive.

It must be said, the dive is funny.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=zHIdzEpZiyk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzHIdzEpZiyk
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 15, 2013, 02:49:25 pm
Yusuf Pathan just given out for obstructing the field in the IPL match between KKR and Pune. Never seen that before although I knew of the rules existence. Look out for it on YT.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on May 15, 2013, 02:55:25 pm
Yusuf Pathan just given out for obstructing the field in the IPL match between KKR and Pune. Never seen that before although I knew of the rules existence. Look out for it on YT.

Classic pub question, list all 10 ways a batsman can be dismissed:-

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 05:55:38 pm
There are 11 ways of being out in cricket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 15, 2013, 06:04:49 pm
Ah.. The 11th is very unusual and I think has only ever happened in one match?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 06:06:55 pm
Twice in test cricket...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/154937.html

I like the touch where Muri gave his match fee to an opposing batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on May 15, 2013, 06:11:14 pm
No idea.  ???

Violent conduct?
Dropping dead?
Farting before the Umpire (when it was the umpire's turn)?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 15, 2013, 06:16:29 pm
Twice in test cricket...

But both in the same match...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 06:30:55 pm
Twice in test cricket...

But both in the same match...

Indeed. More common in amateur cricket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 15, 2013, 07:08:16 pm
Is it?! Umpires are often too worried to give a batsman out LBW in amateur cricket!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on May 15, 2013, 07:10:54 pm
 >:(
I'll come back tomorrow to see if you two have stopped tapping your noses and winking at each other.  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 07:21:47 pm
Sorry, Basil. It's "retired out". Not covered in the 10 laws mentioned by Greenbank.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 15, 2013, 07:25:27 pm
Specifically resuming your innings after intitially retiring without informing the umpire that it was your intention to do so. You also need the opposing captain's agreement.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on May 15, 2013, 07:26:54 pm
Indeed, which is why I asked for the 10 ways a batsman can be dismissed, "Retired" isn't a dismissal (except for calculating batting averages).

Technically it's just "Retired" (Law 2.9(b)), otherwise there'd be the 12th, 13th and 14th ways of being out which are "Retired (Absent)", "Retired (not out)" and "Retired (hurt)".

"Retired (not out)" is a unique one:-

"
In May 1983 Gordon Greenidge of the West Indies retired out on 154 to visit his daughter, who was ill and who died two days later; he was subsequently judged to have retired not out, the only such decision in Test history.[5]
"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_%28cricket%29#Law_2.9.28b.29:_Retired

The Wikipedia reference [5] is http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63339.html
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 07:35:14 pm
It seems rather vague as to whether it counts as a dismissal or not. It seems that it does so far as the batting averages are concerned.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on May 15, 2013, 08:11:23 pm
I would imagine "Retired Dead" would probably count as out.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2013, 08:14:40 pm
It seems rather vague as to whether it counts as a dismissal or not. It seems that it does so far as the batting averages are concerned.
That seems to make sense, in that "retiring" everytime you score (say) 105 but are a bit knackered might be a great way to boost your official average.
There is probably some other reason in reality!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 15, 2013, 08:17:30 pm
I would imagine "Retired Dead" would probably count as out.

Within the rules, you are allowed to resume your innings when you get better.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on May 16, 2013, 07:57:21 am
Not a way of getting out, but a way of not getting in.

Quote
Ian Peebles
If you're going to go missing mid-match, you might as well make a splash, which is exactly what legspinner Peebles did during a minor game at the end of England's 1927-28 tour of South Africa. "As our batsmen were well entrenched I went with a couple of local lads to bathe in a nearby river," he recalled. "The time passed more quickly than we had calculated, and when I got back, we were in the field and I was soundly and properly berated by Ronny [Stanyforth, the captain]. However, no one was more amused than he when next day the Cape Times in their score of the match had a line: 'Peebles absent bathing 0', an entry surely unique in the scorebooks of the world."

From http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/567074.html
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 16, 2013, 01:58:25 pm
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2013, 02:14:59 pm
Now you've made them go and get a wicket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on May 17, 2013, 12:09:43 pm
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.

Heard yesterday on TMS:

Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 18, 2013, 12:55:39 pm
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.

Heard yesterday on TMS:

Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?

 ;D

Not a bad morning today.

Mind you, I've just flicked over for a bit of biff, bang, POW!! from India and much as my dream is to follow England round the Caribbean, that ground at Dharamsala with the Himalayas as the backdrop is stunning. That's on my bucket list now. Miles from anywhere though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: gibbo on May 18, 2013, 01:06:42 pm
Oh God, is this what real cricket's like? I'd forgotten. Englands run rate is 1.83 - against NZ. They're all on mogadon or summat.
Thank goodness for a dose of IPL later on.

Heard yesterday on TMS:

Blowers: I feel today has been an old-fashioned day of proper test cricket.
Tuffers: A bit boring, you mean?

 ;D

Not a bad morning today.

Mind you, I've just flicked over for a bit of biff, bang, POW!! from India and much as my dream is to follow England round the Caribbean, that ground at Dharamsala with the Himalayas as the backdrop is stunning. That's on my bucket list now. Miles from anywhere though.

Just watching that - truly stunning background scenery. Can't help it but to me Malinga still throws the ball!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 18, 2013, 01:07:24 pm
Dharamshala does look rather amazing:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--wdKaa3BKW0/UO-dJZsgeLI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/o5ovDh1eCS0/s1600/cricket-ground-at-dharamshala1.jpg)

Nearly as beautiful as Chester-le-Street :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 19, 2013, 12:49:18 pm
New Zealand are 21-4!

...But McCullum's in. I'm worried about McCullum.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on May 19, 2013, 12:55:08 pm
It's 5 now! I'm 'watching' the text feed on a tab in my browser - each time I flick to it, another wicket has fallen!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on May 19, 2013, 12:59:40 pm
New Zealand are 21-4!

...But McCullum's in. I'm worried about McCullum.
And he's gone.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 19, 2013, 12:59:57 pm
Review on McCullum - looked out to me.

;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on May 19, 2013, 01:01:45 pm
Blimey, you guys are faster than the BBC's text feed!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 19, 2013, 01:03:54 pm
Over by tea time?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 19, 2013, 01:06:20 pm
I hope so - I want to go for a bike ride.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Pancho on May 19, 2013, 01:08:40 pm
I was there yesterday. Fantastic day's cricket. Loved every ball.

Was expecting an old fashioned boring slog. Even the weather turned out OK. I've sat watching May tests before wearing a scarf and gloves - more tundra than outfield.

That Southee bloke can really bowl.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 19, 2013, 01:21:12 pm
I'm hoping for a 'Br' weekend. Bradford in the play-offs yesterday, Broad at Lords this morning with a 5fer, and my boys Brentford at Wemberley in 20 minutes.

I've got telly (Mrs Ant has kindly let me have the big one while she sleeps off a hangover ;D) and 2 laptops on the go right now, there's going to be a lot of multi-tasking this afternoon.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 19, 2013, 02:33:06 pm
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on May 19, 2013, 02:38:04 pm
I hope so - I want to go for a bike ride.
go on then, have a good ride.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on May 19, 2013, 02:44:05 pm
Enough time for it to be a long ride too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 19, 2013, 02:46:41 pm
I'm off ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 19, 2013, 02:47:01 pm
That was brutal by Broad, Anderson and the whole team. I'm pleased they've remembered how to crush opposition. Australia should be worried.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on May 19, 2013, 09:51:19 pm
That was brutal by Broad, Anderson and the whole team. I'm pleased they've remembered how to crush opposition. Australia should be worried.

It was a batting collapse more than a bowling tour de force. I don't think Australia are hugely worried by this test match.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on May 20, 2013, 09:28:22 am
Interestingly, Michael Vaughan said yesterday (reported on BBC text coverage) that he thought only NZ 1 batsman got out to a poor shot and that the English bowlers were simply on top form. 

I guess it depends how one interprets 'collapse' but I don't think NZ will be suggesting that what happened yesterday could have happened to any team facing Broad and Anderson in that form. They will take some personal responsibility.

Personally, I think an element of 'collapse' must be entertained given the inability of any NZ batsman to offer any sustained resistance! That's not to say England didn't bowl well, they did. They induced collapse.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 26, 2013, 04:14:35 pm
Why on earth not enforce the follow-on? NZ are all over the shop and our bowlers are fired up and can hardly be tired. Bad weather looms. FFS.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 26, 2013, 07:45:56 pm
Is tomorrow the last day? There are only two reasons in my book for not enforcing the follow-on: if the bowlers are tired (when 500+ leads 300 or so) or when you expect the pitch to deteriorate in a lower-scoring game and you don't want to bat last.

That's a very dominant presence by Cook - 88 scored out of 116. The last time I remember one batsman dominating the scoring to a similar degree in a test was Gooch's maiden century against the West Indies. From memory, he was second out for 123 when the team score was 168. His partners were Boycott and Tavaré though.

There was, of course, the odi in which the batsmen scored 9, 1, 6, 189*, 4, 8, 0, 4, 26, 3, 12*. No prizes for guessing who scored the 189 not out... :D

Edit: I did have to look those scores up but I remember the game very well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on May 26, 2013, 10:02:48 pm
No today was day 3 of 5 sorry day 2 of 4 due to rain.

Put simply to win the series England do not need to win this test. Their bowlers have shown that they can bundle the kiwis out quickly and cheaply but the top 4 batsmen look out of touch. It is of no use to the upper order to enforce the follow on and then have to knock off 50 - 100 runs. This way they get to go out with little pressure and try to find some form with the bat. Compton has failed to do that and really needs to go back to Somerset for a while. Cook has remembered how to dominate the bowlers, though helped by NZ loosing another bowler to injury.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 26, 2013, 10:11:45 pm
It also ensures a crowd for tomorrow. Imagine how many punters would've turned up if, say, NZ had followed on and were left on, say, 87-8 tonight. </cynic>

This way the refund bill for Headingley is likely to be considerably less.
I still don't think it's really cricket tbh.

Yes, Compton needs, ahem, a break. Carberry for the first Ashes test or will KP be fit?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on May 26, 2013, 10:15:52 pm
Compton could go back to Somerset and hit a couple of big hundreds and be right back in form. Which would be ideal but I suspect unlikely. It then become a question of if KP is fit then does Root fill you with enough confidence to say go on open or do you drop Root or Bairstow and bring in an opener?

On a tour you would probably push Root up the order as he would not have travelled but at home?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 27, 2013, 11:41:33 am
I'd say extra batting practice was the main reason for not enforcing the follow on...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on May 27, 2013, 11:44:06 am
IMHO, the team is pretty decent atm, we need more practice at crushing the opposition when the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on May 27, 2013, 06:56:43 pm
I'd say extra batting practice was the main reason for not enforcing the follow on...

That'd be my guess too. Not that it seems to have done Compton any good. Quite the reverse really. I hope he goes back to county cricket, regains confidence and gets some good scores.

I'm not a fan of KP (though acknowledge his talents with the bat) and would love for the selectors to say 'well, actually, we don't need you'. Won't happen, I know.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 27, 2013, 07:49:55 pm
Heavy rain is forecast almost all day tomorrow. I doubt that England can win this in the time available.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on May 28, 2013, 12:31:39 pm
well now 7 8 down, will the rain hold off long enough?

What a change from 10 - 12 years ago when England would be doing the rain dance in the hope of escaping.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 28, 2013, 12:33:53 pm
Argh, they're off for rain!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on May 28, 2013, 03:11:54 pm
Back on and 9 down...

(At home avoiding spreading Lurgy around work but luckily don't have Sky so I can only distract myself from work with TMS).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on May 28, 2013, 03:37:01 pm
Done. Apt for Anderson to get the last wicket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on May 28, 2013, 03:37:55 pm
... and one very relieved england captain, I suspect!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on May 28, 2013, 03:47:06 pm
Heavy rain is forecast almost all day tomorrow. I doubt that England can win this in the time available.

Oh ye of little faith   ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on May 28, 2013, 03:59:05 pm
And now it's raining again at Headingley. Got through them just in time.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on June 05, 2013, 11:35:31 am
What happened to the convicts yesterday ? :demon:

10-65 in a one day match where the indians posted 6-308 (admittedly they had been 5-55)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 08, 2013, 01:29:02 pm
Blimey.  This is the first time I've seen Joe Root on the telly-box.  How old is he, 12?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 08, 2013, 02:27:53 pm
Susie's required RR is 5.4
I think we'll have to bowl them out.

Edit several hours later
Oi, phone, NO!  It's the Aussie's required RR.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: CAMRAMan on June 08, 2013, 03:49:29 pm
Are there any free-to-air highlights? C5 don't seem to be showing them...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 08, 2013, 05:49:50 pm
Not that I wish to be seen encouraging anybody ... but a quick search with the terms ICC Champions Trophy Live Stream will find you a half decent view. Highlights, I've got no idea.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on June 16, 2013, 04:35:51 pm
I was just beginning to get my head round DL and rain delays ... and now Eng vs Nz are playing 24:24  :facepalm:

This must be a real headf**k to play in - so your tactics on each delivery should be about 2/3rds 20:20 format, and 1/3rd 50overs. Or something. Oh, and it might rain later anyway, so keep an eye on DL ...

I think the best suited players will either be 20:20 experts who just stick to that methodology, or players with brains likes supercomputers. Do we have either of those?

And is 73-2 off 11 any good?!?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 19, 2013, 12:12:16 pm
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2013, 02:28:02 pm
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?

England always have the capacity to be shitter though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 19, 2013, 04:38:39 pm
1.65 an over needed. Might get that, silly shots excepted.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2013, 04:41:22 pm
It'll be perfectly timed to make my commute home extra interesting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2013, 06:38:41 pm
Just beat the rush.

The first waves of massively pissed people were launching themselves across 3 lanes of angry traffic at the Vauxhall Bridge/Grosvenor Road crossroads just as I passed.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: LEE on June 19, 2013, 10:22:21 pm
These Saffers are a bit shit really, aren't they?

Blimey, they got 175 in the end.  I thought they'd get knocked over for <100 at one point.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 20, 2013, 01:36:59 pm
England v India then?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 23, 2013, 10:28:02 am
Here we go...

or not, covers on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 23, 2013, 10:30:22 am
We won the toss!

Get Bresnan and Anderson bowling and lets hope it hoops about like a big hoopy-about-thingy, and then turns into a glorious sunny day just after lunch.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 23, 2013, 10:35:56 am
But it doesn't really matter, it's only a 50 over game. As all true Brits kno.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 23, 2013, 11:23:13 am
Would be nice to finally win a 50 over trophy though. (And by that I don't mean sharing it with India because today's match was a no result.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 23, 2013, 02:08:08 pm
The latest play can start is 4.17pm in order to get 20 overs in for each side.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 23, 2013, 02:27:57 pm
The sun is shining in Bournville - about 2 miles south of the ground.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on June 23, 2013, 02:37:13 pm
Pitch inspection at 3pm
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 23, 2013, 03:17:51 pm
Quoth the Beeb:-

"
We're going to get a game! Play to start at 1545, 24 overs per side. Take that, rain.
"

So that's about 30 mins of rain and it'll be a no result.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 23, 2013, 03:57:33 pm
Your reporter, Basil, on the ground, (well Bournville) says,
Forget it.  It won't happen.  Go find something else to do.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 23, 2013, 08:09:56 pm
We're at the squeaky bum time.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 23, 2013, 08:21:09 pm
Given too many wickets away in the last 5 minutes  :'(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 23, 2013, 08:24:13 pm
16 off 7.  Probably not.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 23, 2013, 08:27:06 pm
Given too many wickets away in the last 5 minutes  :'(

4 for 3, in 8.   :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 23, 2013, 08:44:35 pm
Oh well. 
Up next - real criggid.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 23, 2013, 09:29:10 pm
Quote from: Basil link=topic=49994.msg150991srem0#msg1509910 date=1372016675
Oh well. 
Up next - real criggid.
 :thumbsup:
Seems I'm wrong about that.
Some T20 stuff next.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 23, 2013, 10:27:33 pm
Oh well. 
Up next - real criggid.
 :thumbsup:
Know what you mean though - roll on the Ashes...   :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 23, 2013, 10:29:00 pm
From the jaws of victory, we snatch defeat ... again.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 25, 2013, 09:36:51 pm
Short attention span pyjama cricket coming to an interesting end...

Ooh, shiny!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 25, 2013, 09:38:07 pm
This is fun  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 25, 2013, 09:39:04 pm
Oh yes.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on June 25, 2013, 09:43:20 pm
That 'ramp' shot by Buttler is ricockulous!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 25, 2013, 09:55:56 pm
Oh well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 07, 2013, 09:38:33 am
For the Ashes (first three tests and a bit), I was thinking of doing £30 for a calendar month of SKY sports via TalkTalk TV - can I get it cheaper anywhere else on t'interweb?

Decided since I can't record live stream, and probably won't have time to watch more than highlights anyway - I'll stick to:

C5 highlights:  http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/ckrrky/cricket-the-ashes--first-test-day-one  &
TMS on web / R4
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 10, 2013, 08:25:27 am
Wait, the first test starts today! I still think of test matches starting on Thursdays.

3-1 England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: woollypigs on July 10, 2013, 09:45:47 am
In other news Denmark, yes they do play stickball* in Denmark**, has won against Isle of Man in a ICC Europe Division One Twenty20  tournament.

Two for two, top of Group B (http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/DATABASE/2013/TOURNAMENTS/EURODIV1/resultsB.shtml) - what what, jolly good show!

*) why it is called cricket when there is 12 sticks and no crickets in this game?
**) and I have just learnt that Denmark has played stickball since 1866.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 10, 2013, 10:00:43 am
Have the obligatory wikipedia link:

Derivation of the name of "cricket" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cricket#Derivation_of_the_name_of_.22cricket.22)

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 10, 2013, 11:16:08 am
Wait, the first test starts today! I still think of test matches starting on Thursdays.

Looking at the schedule it's to squeeze in the game against Sussex on July 26th-28th.

There have to be 3 clear days between tests. (Or maybe it is 3 clear days before a test begins?)

Starting one on a Wednesday allows one to start the following Thursday.

Test 1: Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun
3 day break: Mon, Tue, Wed
Test 2: Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon

If they wanted to schedule a test in the following week then it could only begin on Friday at the earliest.

Indeed, the Old Trafford test starts on a Thursday and Durham the following Friday.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 10, 2013, 02:47:32 pm
Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 10, 2013, 03:54:42 pm
Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.

At this rate, we might well find out before the day's out!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 10, 2013, 04:46:50 pm
Siddle's doing well, I hope it means the England bowlers will have rich pickings.

At this rate, we might well find out before the day's out!
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough. worse most of the batsmen got themselves out rather than were got out by the bowler.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 10, 2013, 05:02:57 pm
Q for the Laarndoners: do you REALLY need floodlights today? Pretty rare in July, shirley, and it's baking just over in Oxfordshire.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 10, 2013, 05:06:16 pm
We don't need them here, not sure about Nottinghamshire though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 10, 2013, 05:11:27 pm
Ah. I thought they were at Lords for some reason! As you were ...

[2 wickets for Finn, looks like Game On to me]
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 10, 2013, 05:20:13 pm
we sure will - 215 all out is not good enough.

It isn't, but to be honest, I'm not really worried. It's likely to be a low scoring game...

Edit: And now I see they've lost two wickets already!  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on July 10, 2013, 06:16:52 pm
and two more. Where's the pitch inspectors? ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 10, 2013, 08:50:30 pm
Last 4 wickets fall for 2 runs? Sounds like the good old days!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 11, 2013, 12:24:17 pm
Courtesy of Twitter:

"The worst Australian collapse since Helen Daniels fell down the stairs in Neighbours"

 ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 11, 2013, 01:51:34 pm
Yes but they fooled us all by calling up a young 19 year old batsman who bowls left arm spin, calling him a bowler and sending him in at 11. he'll be batting 8 by the end of the series at this rate.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2013, 01:55:48 pm
Yes but they fooled us all by calling up a young 19 year old batsman who bowls left arm spin, calling him a bowler and sending him in at 11. he'll be batting 8 by the end of the series at this rate.

Just checking on the scores - yes, Agar saved the Aussie innings...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 11, 2013, 02:34:00 pm
How many chickens did England count before they'd hatched?

We always retain the ability to fuck it up, even from having them 9 down.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2013, 02:44:33 pm
A ton of Agar coming up?   :-\
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Post by: Greenbank on July 11, 2013, 02:46:32 pm
Hopefully, he really deserves it, no sign of his legs turning to jelly on his deboo.

But then Hughes bowled out next ball please.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 11, 2013, 02:54:30 pm
Out for 98. Deboo-hoo.
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Post by: mattc on July 11, 2013, 03:00:45 pm
(I do like the colonials that TMS employ, but 'deboo' is pushing the limits of our hospitality. )

Anyway, still game-on I reckon!

Roll out your favourite cliches:
need one good partnership, early wickets important, bowl in the right areas ... yada yada ...
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Post by: Greenbank on July 11, 2013, 03:05:38 pm
Roll out your favourite cliches:
need one good partnership, early wickets important, bowl in the right areas ... yada yada ...

"Be there at the end of the day."
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on July 11, 2013, 03:42:39 pm
What was this stumping chance the commentators were mumbling about earlier?
Title: Re: Watching Wood Warp While Paint Dries
Post by: jogler on July 11, 2013, 04:06:29 pm
 ftfy'all
 :demon:
 ;D

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 11, 2013, 04:25:49 pm
What was this stumping chance the commentators were mumbling about earlier?

Agar was out stumped on 6. Not a stumping chance, stumped.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2013, 07:04:18 pm
"Highest score by a number 11 in Test history", quite a record by Agar.
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Post by: bobb on July 11, 2013, 07:25:25 pm
A remarkable day.

I'm really not keen on all this referral nonsense...
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Post by: Deano on July 11, 2013, 07:29:24 pm
Just watching the highlights. They put him in at number 11?! Steve Smith must be worried for his spot (more so than usual, I mean).

Shades of Tino Best last year. I really wanted him to get his century too. Mind you, Agar looked out stumped on six.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 12, 2013, 05:17:00 pm
That's more like it. Keep nudging that total up run by run...
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Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2013, 05:57:30 pm
Yes - stay in 'til close, and push a 300 lead tomorrow am, would be good.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 12, 2013, 05:59:30 pm
And always wait for the umpire's decision before walking  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 12, 2013, 06:16:29 pm
I'm really not keen on all this referral nonsense...
Me neither.

But it's starting to grow on me ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on July 12, 2013, 06:27:07 pm
For me, one of the pleasures of cricket is that in some ways it can be remarkably subtle, and in others, remarkably simple. One of the simplicities is that the umpire decides when people are out (referals notwithstanding).
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Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2013, 06:29:22 pm
And always wait for the umpire's decision before walking  :P

Umpire's decision is final...  :) ;)

Must watch the highlights. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 12, 2013, 07:25:02 pm
For me, one of the pleasures of cricket is that in some ways it can be remarkably subtle, and in others, remarkably simple. One of the simplicities is that the umpire decides when people are out (referals notwithstanding).
Now, this isn't my sport, but ... I'm pretty sure a batsman can choose to walk, and the ump doesn't have to do a thing. This can save the official any angst with those decisions where the batsman is best positioned to know (e.g. will always know if he did nick a ball).

The umpire could well believe it was Not Out, but would (i think) defer to the batsman's view in such a situation.

But in most situations, you are spot-on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 12, 2013, 07:31:43 pm
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!

If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.

A very similar thing happened to Adam Gilchrest in Australia 10+ years ago against the West Indies. Only he walked. The press went mental at him for not waiting for the umpire....
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Post by: Deano on July 12, 2013, 07:35:59 pm
Gilchrist made a point of walking - which made him no friends among the Aussies.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 12, 2013, 07:51:51 pm
Whoah, just saw the Broad appeal. I'm amazed he wasn't given out!
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Post by: Basil on July 12, 2013, 07:56:30 pm
I've walked.
As I passed the umpire he said, "Oh, are you sure?"

Oops  :facepalm:

Luckily we won the match so I didn't get to be too unpopular with the chaps.
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Post by: Greenbank on July 12, 2013, 08:05:53 pm
There will be many saying that the Broad incident "evens out" the Agar stumping that wasn't given.

I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!

If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.

True, but being pilloried for sticking to the "Spirit of Cricket" (and walking) is better (in my opinion) than being pilloried for sticking to the "Laws of cricket" (and waiting to be given out).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 12, 2013, 08:10:02 pm
I don't think Broad's not-walking or Trott's dodgy dismissal will prove significant in the match. I reckon England will set a target too tough for the Aussies, especially with Swann bowling.

I do hope Ian Bell gets to a century. Ian Bell deserves it. /kiss of death.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 12, 2013, 08:10:34 pm
There will be many saying that the Broad incident "evens out" the Agar stumping that wasn't given.

If he doesn't score >97 can we still claim the moral high ground?!?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2013, 08:34:11 pm
Whoah, just saw the Broad appeal. I'm amazed he wasn't given out!

Me too.  Broad put the umpire in a difficult position, because the umpire shouldn't have missed that one - but he clearly did.  I think the point of Aus using up their reviews (in this age of tech aided decisions) rather speculatively is also valid - they should have kept one up their sleeve.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 12, 2013, 08:36:27 pm
I would normally always say a batsman should walk if he believed he has nicked it, but seeing as more and more decisions are being taken away from the umpires now, I don't see how any decisions can be left to the batsmen!

If Broad had walked, there would have been just as many people (in the press, twatter etc) saying he should have waited for the umpire's decision as there would be praising him for shoving his bat under his arm and trudging purposefully back to the pavillion with his head held high.

A very similar thing happened to Adam Gilchrest in Australia 10+ years ago against the West Indies. Only he walked. The press went mental at him for not waiting for the umpire....

The point being that the ones criticising him would be wrong and those praising him right.  I would normally have said that such considerations wouldn't count against Australia - then you reminded me of the Gilchrist incident!  (Gilchrist was also right).

I think the umpire is there to decide when no-one else knows.  I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?
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Post by: clifftaylor on July 12, 2013, 08:52:58 pm
Me too.  Broad put the umpire in a difficult position

No, Broad didn't put the umpire anywhere - the umpire did that by missing an easy decision. And the Aussies fucked up by mis-using their reviews.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on July 12, 2013, 08:55:14 pm
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?

That's exactly his job description
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2013, 08:57:06 pm
Me too.  Broad put the umpire in a difficult position

No, Broad didn't put the umpire anywhere - the umpire did that by missing an easy decision. And the Aussies fucked up by mis-using their reviews.

Broad did put the umpire in a difficult position (by not walking & he didn't have to), but this was the umpire's own fault, as he missed it, and shouldn't have - is what I mean.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2013, 11:09:51 pm
You appeal when you really aren't sure there was a nick. You get paid back when batsmen don't walk.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Clare on July 12, 2013, 11:12:46 pm
Athers - "when in Rome dear boy..."

The umpires (or was it just one of them) have fucked up enough of this test. Broad played the game, exactly as he should have done.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 13, 2013, 12:08:23 am
I don't think his job description includes being the sole arbiter of a dismissal - or maybe it does?

That's exactly his job description

Cliff, what I meant was that Idon't think there's anything in the rules about a batsman "helping" the umpire in his decision by walking.  Note that Basil's umpire didn't send him back in!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 13, 2013, 08:01:04 am
KP ont matter. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23296792)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on July 13, 2013, 09:26:34 am
well I suppose all this "should he have, shouldn't he have" has distracted everybody from the fairly mediocre batting performance from our first 4 batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 13, 2013, 09:54:00 am
Two of those four got fifties on nwhat is proving to be a difficult wicket.  Their number eleven might disagree - but he only made 6 before he was out for the first time.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on July 13, 2013, 10:29:50 am
maybe Peter, but the other two made 0 & 5 not what I would call inspiring. I know the Australians didn't do much better but you usually find that what ever we do the ozzies do better, I go along with what they were saying on TMS yesterday about how the style & shot selection has changed since the introduction of the shorter matches, players get into the one day game mode and find it hard to change to the 5 day game. either way today will be very interesting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 13, 2013, 10:38:32 am
Definitely going to be interesting!  I don't rule the Australians out.....
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Post by: mattc on July 13, 2013, 11:10:39 am
maybe Peter, but the other two made 0 & 5 not what I would call inspiring. I know the Australians didn't do much better but you usually find that what ever we do the ozzies do better, I go along with what they were saying on TMS yesterday about how the style & shot selection has changed since the introduction of the shorter matches, players get into the one day game mode and find it hard to change to the 5 day game. either way today will be very interesting.
Well it was you who criticised our top "4" batters...

"you usually find that what ever we do the ozzies do better"
That's a bit negative isnt it?!? Are you an England fan, or just like to criticise? It's a very english tendency, I regret to say.

But I agree about the effect of T20 etc. It's impossible to measure or prove, but simple brain/learning theory says there must be an effect.

I'm turning into Boykes. Have you seen the tweeter @FredBoycott? Worryingly, HE is now following ME! (he's pretty funny)

< Bell 100 :) >
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 13, 2013, 11:26:02 am
As far as I am concerned it is the umpire's job to give a man out.   Umpires (with or without technology) get it wrong - just look at Agar;s stumping and trott's dismissal.   I can look at other sports and pick out so many times when the officials got it wrong but the decision stood from the wrong ball used for a quick ball in by Wales to Lampard's goal against Germany not being given.   Human error, these things happen.

I would like to see England bat until they get a lead of 400 or Broad gets a ton, or they are all out, whichever comes first.   The Aussies will be resolute but 400 runs is a huge ask even if the life has gone from the wicket and the skies... 
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Post by: andyoxon on July 13, 2013, 01:37:05 pm
So Aus have 311 to get - could be close.
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Post by: ferret on July 13, 2013, 01:51:47 pm
I'm a born pessimist, so very much an England fan :)

just think how much better it is for me when they win, yet no surprise when they lose.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 13, 2013, 05:26:07 pm
Quite a test match this  - still  close, if the Aus lower order performs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 13, 2013, 11:40:52 pm
Yes, win or lose, this is the real stuff!
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Post by: woollypigs on July 13, 2013, 11:45:11 pm
In other news Denmark, yes they do play stickball* in Denmark**, has won against Isle of Man in a ICC Europe Division One Twenty20  tournament.

Two for two, top of Group B (http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/DATABASE/2013/TOURNAMENTS/EURODIV1/resultsB.shtml) - what what, jolly good show!

*) why it is called cricket when there is 12 sticks and no crickets in this game?
**) and I have just learnt that Denmark has played stickball since 1866.
Well Italy the winner of group A beat Denmark winner of group B in the final today, oh bother. But pretty good going for DK with playing semi final at 1400 and a final to play at 1830.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 14, 2013, 10:59:31 am
Here we go.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2013, 11:59:16 am
There's one of 'em!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2013, 12:08:37 pm
Go on Jimmy!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2013, 12:36:31 pm
Whoah, Cook rather made up for his previous drop there.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2013, 01:03:24 pm
Finn again - boundaries all over.  1 wkt to go - can hardly listen to this.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2013, 01:07:15 pm
It's Edgbaston all over again.

Maybe I'll nip down the bookies and put a fiver on the tie.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2013, 02:24:59 pm
We won it, but on DRS! Jeez, that was close (both the match and the DRS decision).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 14, 2013, 02:28:02 pm
I fackin' love cricket. And the DRS system*

Yes, I know, system system.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 14, 2013, 02:31:17 pm
Thank fuck for that.

I loathe DRS. So much I can't even be bothered to google what it means....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 14, 2013, 02:34:10 pm
Decision Review System system.  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2013, 02:45:08 pm
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 14, 2013, 02:47:58 pm
Whether they have or not, Alastair Cook knows how to use the System system very efficiently. More efficiently than Clarke anyhoo.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2013, 04:10:12 pm
 :thumbsup:  That was close.   Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.
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Post by: Salvatore on July 14, 2013, 06:17:34 pm
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?
Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.
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Post by: Polar Bear on July 14, 2013, 06:26:22 pm
DRS is fine.   Both teams know the rules so both have the same opportunities.   

Of greater intrigue to me is Hotspot.  Is it really infallible?  Could a batsman play a shot then run his gloved hand down the edge of his bat and confuse it perhaps?    When and how is the Hotspot image captured?   

Love it!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 14, 2013, 06:34:05 pm
Do you think England have tactics for this, you know, have they got a Decision Review System system system?
Andrew Strauss said that when he was captain, they wouldn't go for a review unless the bowler, wicketkeeper and Strauss himself (usually 1st slip with a pretty good view) all agreed it was out. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook had a similar system.

I think Cook understands that a DRS review is all about playing the percentages, Clarke doesn't, he still thinks it's a chance of a free wicket if you're bowling or a get-out-jail-free card if you're batting.

Mind you, Haddin should have walked, he must have known he'd nicked the ball. Hardly in the spirit of the game was it?  ;D
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Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2013, 10:57:50 pm
DRS is fine.   Both teams know the rules so both have the same opportunities.   

Of greater intrigue to me is Hotspot.  Is it really infallible?  Could a batsman play a shot then run his gloved hand down the edge of his bat and confuse it perhaps?    When and how is the Hotspot image captured?   

Love it!   :thumbsup:

The hotspot footage is effectively from immediately after the ball hits the bat/pad, so no chance of rigging it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 15, 2013, 07:21:29 am
:thumbsup:  That was close.   Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.

I might be misunderstanding you but that's how it works now.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_System
Each team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.

When and how is the Hotspot image captured?   

It's a thermal imaging camera, so it's recording live play. As Jaded says they simply replay it to see if there was a nick as that shows up as a heat anomaly. It's not a single image but video.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 15, 2013, 07:38:04 am
:thumbsup:  That was close.   Re. the DRS, as I think Alec S said on TMS, if a team reviews a decision and it doesn't go against them, that team should keep that review in hand and not lose it.

I might be misunderstanding you but that's how it works now.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_System
Each team is allowed to make two unsuccessful review requests per innings during a Test Match and one unsuccessful review request per innings during a One Day International.

Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?

I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 15, 2013, 09:33:59 am
Weren't they on about the situation where a review is technically correct, but the original decision is upheld (I.e umpire's call)?

Ah, yes, that would make sense.

I'm not sure I agree - DRS is supposed to be reserved for obviously wrong decisions - but I can see the sense in it.

It was introduced to stop the howlers (like the Broad not-out decision) however there have been several problems/failures:-

1) Australia (and plenty of other teams) have used the reviews for marginal calls rather than howlers and used them up so they aren't available when the howler does come along.
2) It relies upon technology run by the broadcasters (i.e. it is Sky that control Hotspot) and that system couldn't record and replay at the same time (what a crap system!) so they couldn't present the side-on Hotspot view for Trott's review as they'd cued up that system to replay Root's dismissal.

ObGrauniand:
Quote from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jul/11/ashes-2013-england-cricket-team
England received apologies from the International Cricket Council and the founder of the Hot Spot thermal imaging technology after the dismissal of Jonathan Trott for his first golden duck in Test cricket had marred another memorable day of Ashes cricket in Nottingham.
...
Meanwhile Warren Brennan, a New Zealander who adapted the Hot Spot technology for cricket, contacted the ESPN Cricinfo website to confirm Sky's claim that the "glitch" which cost Trott his wicket was down to "operator error".

Brennan explained that the operator in question had not "triggered the system for the Trott delivery" because he was waiting to offer a replay of the previous ball from which Joe Root was given caught behind down the leg side. Root was left to regret his failure not to call for a review, as those replays showed no proof that he had edged Mitchell Starc's delivery.

3) The Agar stumping given not out by the third umpire despite all video evidence seeming to prove that it was a legitimate stumping. Even 3rd umpires are human and make mistakes. You still get a few 'mistakes' by the TMO/Video-Ref in Rugby.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 17, 2013, 08:08:58 pm
I see the Aussies are busy self-destructing again. 

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/jul/16/ashes-australia-mickey-arthur

Obviously it won't necessarily affect their onfield performances, but still.... ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 18, 2013, 11:56:00 am
Oh FFS!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 18, 2013, 12:02:52 pm
GROAN...    :hand:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 18, 2013, 12:31:35 pm
I see we are making a match of it.

I guess it is the only way to make a 5-0 drubbing entertaining...
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Post by: Dinamo on July 18, 2013, 12:48:44 pm
Tufnell on R5 SportsExtra.

What an entertraining commentator :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 18, 2013, 05:38:22 pm
Looking a bit better now - though a couple of quick wickets would soon change it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 18, 2013, 05:47:46 pm
A century for Bell :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 18, 2013, 05:57:48 pm
A century for Bell :thumbsup:

Dong!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 19, 2013, 11:14:35 am
Tuffers having a chat about how he'd had a chat with the head groundsman. "I was just talking to Mike Hunt, and...". Him and Aggers did exceedingly well to keep control, you could hear the effort it was taking.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 19, 2013, 01:36:36 pm
GROAN...    :hand:

The England higher order batsmen, esp Cook n'Root, are being carried by Bell atm.  They need to get a grip soon really, IMHO.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 19, 2013, 01:48:58 pm
It evens out. Cook had an amazing series in India when all about him were collapsing, Root scored a century against New Zealand and looked good and has just started opening.

England still look capable of collapsing, but nowadays it's rare for one of the top order not to score a century. I remember when fifties were celebrated, and centuries (even in defeat) were harped upon like victories.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Vince on July 19, 2013, 02:27:49 pm
Had TMS on the car radio the other day and had to explain to Boy Wunja that it is only nominally about cricket. Mostly about cake, busses, people in the crowds and anything else that catches the commentator's eye. Tuffers fits in perfectly.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 19, 2013, 02:42:45 pm
Tuffers good. Vaughan not so much; too chavvy.

I used to think Blowers was great for TMS but I think his time might just be up.

McGrath is a welcome addition though.

Boycott is fine in short doses but sometimes he gets too long and it's all just a bit too much.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 19, 2013, 03:03:52 pm
Good to see Australia wickets tumbling, but I imagine the tail will wag. As usual....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 19, 2013, 03:12:56 pm
GROAN...    :hand:

The England higher order batsmen, esp Cook n'Root, are being carried by Bell atm.  They need to get a grip soon really, IMHO.

What a diffrence a day makes...    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 19, 2013, 03:23:13 pm
BBC Live text wrote:

Quote
This is the type of afternoon session dreams are made of for England. After playing and missing, then hammering an angry four to the midwicket boundary, Michael Clarke plays all around Stuart Broad's attempted yorker and is pinned in front. As the umpire raises his finger, Clarke considers whether to review. And remembers he can't. Off you go, Michael.

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 19, 2013, 03:25:39 pm
It's pretty clear that Australia still have not worked out how to tactically use DRS.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 19, 2013, 03:41:10 pm
Enforce the follow on if that's an option?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 19, 2013, 03:47:34 pm
It could be.   Difficult decision.   Will the pitch deteriorate over the next two days?   Will the slightly cooler, cloudier conditions forecast serve better for bowling tomorrow?   
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 19, 2013, 04:02:01 pm
Fun as it may be, you wouldn't.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 19, 2013, 04:51:38 pm
...but I imagine the tail will wag. As usual....

I am very pleased to be wrong  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 19, 2013, 04:57:17 pm
Follow on not enforced. Good.

Bat another day and get a lead of 500 leaving two days to bowl them out on a deteriorating pitch.

Lovely.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 19, 2013, 05:41:52 pm
Tuffers good. Vaughan not so much; too chavvy.

I used to think Blowers was great for TMS but I think his time might just be up.

McGrath is a welcome addition though.

Boycott is fine in short doses but sometimes he gets too long and it's all just a bit too much.

Fuck me, Boycott is really going on at the moment. Blowers isn't helping. They seem to be ignoring the match and talking endlessly about events over 40 years ago  ::-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 19, 2013, 05:44:42 pm
The lunch break was interesting - a live set by Keane. (who are apparently cricket fans).
 ::-)

I suppose that beats 40mins of Boycott reminiscence!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 19, 2013, 05:57:08 pm
It evens out. Cook had an amazing series in India when all about him were collapsing, Root scored a century against New Zealand and looked good and has just started opening.

England still look capable of collapsing, but nowadays it's rare for one of the top order not to score a century. I remember when fifties were celebrated, and centuries (even in defeat) were harped upon like victories.

Agreed, though TMS were talking about Root perhaps not being a natural opener.  Cook just gone for 8, Trott for 0 & Pietersen 5.    :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 20, 2013, 11:06:28 am
Tuffers having a chat about how he'd had a chat with the head groundsman. "I was just talking to Mike Hunt, and...". Him and Aggers did exceedingly well to keep control, you could hear the effort it was taking.  ;D

Similar during the first test.
Three (yes three) commentators.  One was definitely Vaughan, another regular, and an Aussie (Might have been McGrath).

Englander: "You staying in the Belvoir?"
Aussie: "Yes I always stay there"
Englander: "You like the Belvoir"
Aussie:  "Yes, it's comfortable in the Belvoir"

*Sounds of off-stage suppressed squawks and momentary pause in commentary*

To be fair, I think the Aussie knew what was going on, and went for it.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 20, 2013, 03:49:28 pm
Highest 4th innings totals at Lord's:-

(Source: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/records/222199.html )

(Columns are: Team, got, chasing, overs, run rate, outcome, against, venue, date, test #)

Australia       406       522    107.0    3.79       lost    v England    Lord's    16 Jul 2009    Test # 1925
India          397       568    109.4    3.62       lost    v England    Lord's    25 Jul 2002    Test # 1610
West Indies    344/1    342    66.1    5.19       won    v England    Lord's    28 Jun 1984    Test # 990

So, no-one has successfully chased anything more than 344 at Lord's in the 4th innings. And no-one has scored more than 406 in the 4th innings at Lord's.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 20, 2013, 03:54:10 pm
A declaration half-an-hour before the close of play? That would give the Australian batsmen a very torrid few overs to face.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 20, 2013, 04:30:19 pm
Yes, now Root's got his ton, they should just cut the fuck loose for a bit, then declare...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Polar Bear on July 20, 2013, 04:35:13 pm
Just keep going.  Wear the aussies down.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 20, 2013, 04:56:39 pm
Declare if and when Bell gets another ton?   Well done Root.   ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 20, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Let Root get his double hundred in the morning then declare. What ever happens make the openers field for 20 - 30 minutes.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 21, 2013, 10:02:25 am
F-i-L (MCC member) says that was the worst days' bowling he's seen in all his years of watching cricket. Worse even than watching Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on July 21, 2013, 12:14:27 pm
 :D, just  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Tewdric on July 21, 2013, 07:55:14 pm
http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-2013-joe-roots-century-punishes-australia-at-lords-20130721-2qbyq.html

The comments are very telling!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 22, 2013, 12:51:34 am
Quote
Not since 1890 have England won the first two Tests of a home Ashes series. They have never before won an Ashes Test by so many runs in this country, and only once by more overseas. To do it at the spiritual home of the game, where Australia had only lost twice in more than a century, makes it dreamier still.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 22, 2013, 10:12:39 am
While I'm very happy with the result, I feel very sorry for Agar, who might have pulled at least respectability out of Australia's sorry bag.  He was clearly not out.  It was fair enough for England to appeal if they heard something, though I'm surprised none of them noticed that he didn't hit it.  But the strange thing is that the adjudicator decided he must have been out because he heard a sound.  As I understand it, that's not what the referral system is for; it is to put right an obvious mistake, which this wasn't.  Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority?  What is the nationality of the adjudicator?  I imagine he must be a neutral?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 22, 2013, 10:16:32 am
Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority?

Perhaps they should have just two umpires. One behind the stumps at the non-strikers end and the other at square leg. They could consult one another if necessary.

I reckon that could work. Maybe they should try it?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 22, 2013, 10:23:25 am
Whatever next?  Jumpers for goal-posts?

I agree.  I feel the same about football.  When two sides go onto the pitch there is (or should be) an unwritten contract thhat they will be honest and that they will abide by the referee's decision; he is there to mitigate their tendency towards dishonesty.  I suppose all the goal-line technology and stuff is coming in because you can't trust players to be honest as much as not trusting officials to get it right - that and the sheer amount of money depending on results.  OT but I think any player approaching a ref, other than through the captain, should be sanctioned.  The level of sanction will depend on which team he's on!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 22, 2013, 11:14:09 am
While I'm very happy with the result, I feel very sorry for Agar, who might have pulled at least respectability out of Australia's sorry bag.  He was clearly not out.  It was fair enough for England to appeal if they heard something, though I'm surprised none of them noticed that he didn't hit it.  But the strange thing is that the adjudicator decided he must have been out because he heard a sound.  As I understand it, that's not what the referral system is for; it is to put right an obvious mistake, which this wasn't.  Perhaps they should have three adjudicators, requiring a majority?  What is the nationality of the adjudicator?  I imagine he must be a neutral?

I haven't seen the detailed replays but from what I have seen it wasn't "clearly not out", despite what some of the commentators were saying.

Hotspot isn't 100%. It can show whether the bat hit something (possibly the pad of course) but the opposite is not true. An absence of a mark on hotspot doesn't mean he definitely didn't hit it, some nicks can be so slight that the heat of the tiny nick is gone before the ball has passed.

As I understand it Snicko (combined with the TV replay) indicated that there was a noise at the point where the ball went past the bat, and there wasn't any possibility of it being bat hitting boot/pad/clothing. Without Hotspot being there it would have been given out on the Snicko evidence.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 22, 2013, 11:16:53 am
The Umpires are human. They make mistakes, but much fewer than the players (same applies in football).

Poor shot choice, dropped catches, stupid runouts ... all of these have far more influence than 60/40 decisions being called wrong by the Umps. Accept it and get on with playing.

(and this in a sport where a few drops of rain often directly change the result of a match - not just whether you are out LBW. People need to get some perspective.)

Appeals systems just add (supposedly) a bit of 'drama' to proceedings. In tennis and cricket we've had them long enough to see the inevitable result; they're about who 'games' the system best. They're not about correcting howlers. I'd prefer the best team won, not the ones with the best appeals tactician. Bah.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 22, 2013, 11:21:03 am
Can't fault you Matt - and God knows I've tried!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 22, 2013, 11:58:43 am
The DRS is supposed to be for the 'Howlers', given out LBW when you hit the cover off the ball, caught behind off the arm guard, etc.
Unfortunately some batsmen and fielding captins think "I'll appeal as I might not be plum" rather than "how was that given out? I know I am not out."

DRS has demonstrated to the umpires that the wickets are wider and shorter than previous LBW decisions would imply, and spinners are getting more wickets than before.

The problem with the last two tests is that the third umpire has been willing to overturn the onfield decision on sketchy evidence and that this will only encourage the fielding side to see if they can get lucky.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on July 22, 2013, 12:30:37 pm
all I can say is thank god we have Bell & Root, they got us out of the mess in both games I'm still sticking with mediocre opening batsmen.As much as I like Cook this isn't his first spell of loss of form at this level, hope he sorts himself out pretty quick before the rumours start and another "top order" batsman that needs looking at is KP I think it really is time to give him the elbow, you can't keep giving him chances just in case everything clicks & he scores 200, he's had his day time to move over and give some one else a chance.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 22, 2013, 07:04:15 pm
Ferret, a quick look at Pietersen's last year doesn't exactly show dropping form. Apart from the huge hundreds, he scored an important 64 at Trentbridge, especially given the context of the innings and the narrow margin of victory.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/19296.html?class=1;spanmax1=22+Jul+2013;spanmin1=22+Jul+2012;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

I'm not sure he's entirely fit, but that's a different matter.

On the other hand, maybe we can lend him to the Aussies for a few games, to even things up a bit. We used to do that at school when teams were badly mismatched.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on July 22, 2013, 08:03:20 pm
Well I still think Ian Bell is a better player, his batting average is only just behind KP's and he's a lot more useful in the field.
averages don't tell the whole story, in a tight spot I know who I'd want at the crease,
sharing players isn't as bad as the batting side supplying the umpires :) 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 22, 2013, 08:32:35 pm
Let's go mad and have both in the team. I quite like England's batting, though there is a tendency to collapse, even if total collapses happen nothing like as frequently as they used to, and Pietersen adds something no one else does. Even if he is an annoying tit, he's an amazing batsman. Without him we'd have lost the game at Headingley last year, and wouldn't have won in Mumbai (probably - he was the difference both times, at least).

There is an argument for moving Bell to four and Pietersen to five, especially when two early wickets fall, as Pietersen is rubbish against the new ball when he first comes in, and two wickets have become three very quickly.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on July 22, 2013, 09:41:22 pm
I would go along with most of that, the only thing I would add is that he is an amazing batsman "sometimes" and it's this that causes a problem.
When he goes out to bat your not sure if he will get 10 or 110, I know you could say that about any batsman but when you go in where he does it would be nice if he was bit more reliable
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 31, 2013, 10:10:06 pm
An interesting piece if you haven't already seen it on the BBC site:

England player who lost the Ashes & died in poverty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23416893)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 01, 2013, 11:00:59 am
That's very sad, Bobb.  I knew about Maurice but not his dad.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 02, 2013, 04:29:37 pm
So, 328 to avoid the follow-on. I'm not sure I fancy England to get that!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 02, 2013, 06:22:38 pm
Oh FFS. I thought we'd worked out how to use the DRS system*.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on August 02, 2013, 06:23:21 pm
So, 328 to avoid the follow-on. I'm not sure I fancy England to get that!

Oh ye of little faith.

Oh, hang on, 49-2... maybe you're on to something :(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 03, 2013, 05:33:24 pm
That's more like it, KP  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on August 03, 2013, 05:39:26 pm
328 is starting to look further away again.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2013, 01:07:28 am
I think the rain may save the Aussies this time....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 04, 2013, 08:52:34 am
It's raining here enough to stop cricket and looking at the radar map it should reach Manchester by start of play.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 04, 2013, 03:59:49 pm
Looks like the rain over the next couple of days may retain the Ashes for England.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/old-trafford-lancashire-ccc#?tab=map&map=Rainfall&fcTime=1375650000
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Tom B on August 04, 2013, 05:38:34 pm
Just back from Old Trafford. We went along on spec after tea, got in without tickets, waited on the steps of the stand for the over to finish and found some vacated seats, just as the teams were going off, so we saw no play. It made good people watching tho. We took Boycott's advice and left after 10 mins ("eets a muurkii day in the North of England. It int goooing to gettt bettter!"). Got to the car just as the rain came down heavily and home now with a cup of tea
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2013, 12:44:41 pm
Where's the Manchester rain when it's most needed?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 05, 2013, 12:47:38 pm
At the start of play I reckoned we had 50:50 chance, what with possible further rain and 10 wickets to last all day.

Now Pietersen gone, and I think we've used both appeals. 27-3.

Only rain can save them, and it doesn't look likely!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 05, 2013, 01:43:45 pm
From where I am in Rochdale it looks extremely likely, it's pretty black here.  I'm guessing Michael Clark(e) would be pretty unhappy if England were offered the light!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Tewdric on August 05, 2013, 01:50:26 pm
27 for 3!!

I think the Aussies will take his one now.  Probably a good thing, a third test Ashes snatch would have been rather boring..
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2013, 01:51:02 pm
No play at the moment, though..
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 05, 2013, 04:53:12 pm
And we fought to a glorious draw! Huzzah!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 05, 2013, 05:06:17 pm
I think you mean the combined Rain dance of the English dressing room has been successful. The Glorious British Summer has reverted to type enabling us to escape the clutches of a well performing Aussie team, who finally batted properly this test and put pressure on our fragile batting lineup.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Clare on August 05, 2013, 05:26:37 pm
I bloody love the British weather  :D

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Hot Flatus on August 05, 2013, 05:33:52 pm
Well, its a moot point. Australia didn't get the chance to enforce the follow-on. If they had they would still have had to bowl England out in 60 overs

Quite good for Australia. First time they haven't lost since February 10th
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2013, 05:37:19 pm
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 05, 2013, 05:43:54 pm
Yes. Too cautious from Clark.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 05, 2013, 06:42:04 pm
A slightly underwhelming retention, but oh well. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 05, 2013, 08:05:33 pm
I think you mean the combined Rain dance of the English dressing room has been successful. The Glorious British Summer has reverted to type enabling us to escape the clutches of a well performing Aussie team, who finally batted properly this test and put pressure on our fragile batting lineup.
my support for england was bought into question the other day when I dared to mention mediocre opening english batsmen, my comment still stands, the next 2 tests will be interesting, Australia still have to prove they're better than us and we have to prove we would have won anyway. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 05, 2013, 08:45:46 pm
England don't have to prove ANYTHING.  That's what's so wonderful about it!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2013, 09:24:20 pm
There was a piece in the Graun today about the merits of close matches/series compared to the one-sided. There is a great attraction to the close game for its excitement point of view (1981 must have been about the best for that), but it's also great when your team is in the driving seat.

In Brearley's first Ashes series as captain (1977 IIRC) England outplayed Australia in all departments and it was an absolute delight. There was one particular incident which just showed that England were alert for every possible opportunity and the Aussies were not and that was when Derek Randall ran out Rick McCosker, who was a bit slow to return to his crease when backing up. Randall was a demon cover point and the batsman (can't remember who) defended, the ball went to Randall fairly quickly and he had thrown down the non-striker's stumps before he could get back into his crease.

England supporters, indeed, world cricket, has had to put up with so much Australian domination for so long I think that we can be excused for enjoying their discomfiture, even though England's higher-order batsmen aren't performing as well as we'd like.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 05, 2013, 11:18:17 pm
I hardly think winning the ashes by default removes the need for us to prove that we are as good as we say, if it wasn't for the intervention of the weather we would have lost today. there are still many of our players not firing on all 4 cylinders.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 05, 2013, 11:50:48 pm
We haven't won them, we have retained them.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 06, 2013, 12:44:26 am
I hardly think winning the ashes by default removes the need for us to prove that we are as good as we say, if it wasn't for the intervention of the weather we would have lost today. there are still many of our players not firing on all 4 cylinders.

Actually it's 2-0 at the moment.  There's no NEED for anything, it would just be nice!  Actually, I think Root would have got a slowish hundred, Bell would have scored quicker and been out and then Prior would have been sent in early to score a rip-roaring 150 to give us the victory and leave the Aussies crying into what passes for their beer.  Where is your sense of romance?!!!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 06, 2013, 09:22:19 am
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.
Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.

Conversely if they had pulled out earlier and the light held Engalnd could have been 100 for 1 at the close chasing 275 and then the Aussies would have been up against it yesterday, particularly if the weather held. I doubt Clarke would have wanted to go down in Aussie cricketing history as the captain who declared twice in an Ashes match and LOST.

Bad weather (light and rain) will always be a potential factor in cricket by they are inherently uncertain and making declarations on the  assumption that the weather will take away time is as likely to come back and bite you as be the inspired captaincy.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 06, 2013, 11:48:22 am
put like that Peter you are quite right :) but I do believe that cap'n Cook even said in one of his interviews yesterday that now England have retained the ashes, they now need to go on and win them. Does anybody know what the weathers doing on Friday ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 06, 2013, 12:04:40 pm
It had bloody better not rain. We've got tickets, and there aren't that many other things to do in Chester-le-Street.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 06, 2013, 09:17:49 pm
I thought Australia batted for too long yesterday, and too slowly, given they had to win.
Clarke's postmatch interview included the statement that they had planned to bat a further couple of overs on Sunday and declare to give them 25 overs bowling at the top order. Given the mess England got into yesterday they could easily have been 3 down over night and in a real mire if the weather held today. The failure of the light on Sunday put a spanner in the calculations.

Conversely if they had pulled out earlier and the light held Engalnd could have been 100 for 1 at the close chasing 275 and then the Aussies would have been up against it yesterday, particularly if the weather held. I doubt Clarke would have wanted to go down in Aussie cricketing history as the captain who declared twice in an Ashes match and LOST.

Bad weather (light and rain) will always be a potential factor in cricket by they are inherently uncertain and making declarations on the  assumption that the weather will take away time is as likely to come back and bite you as be the inspired captaincy.

Aye, they were obviously planning something like that from how they were batting (slowly, which England seemed happy to go along with, given the over rate). I just thought, at the time, that they'd have been better off throwing the bat a bit and getting England in for a session or an hour before the close - light allowing. From what I heard on the radio, conditions were pretty good for bowling, and Australia need to win for the series.

Maybe they're aiming for the winter series back in Australia, though, and they probably wanted to give their bowlers an overnight rest (Ryan Harris, magnificent though he has been, was probably relieved when England avoided the follow-on, as he seems to struggle with his fitness in back-to-back tests, let alone back-to-back innings).

Not that I'm complaining about how things turned out! Now, let's get Onions in at the Riverside. I wonder if the Aussies are staying at Lumley Castle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/4118558.stm) again..?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 06, 2013, 09:22:52 pm
 Slowly!! they were scoring at 5 an over.
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Post by: Deano on August 06, 2013, 09:32:20 pm
Were they? I only heard a bit on the radio (I was in Keswick with no LW and shaky internet). I got the impression that they were plodding.

Ah well, I was talking rubbish then. I still thought 270 would have been too much for England to chase, regardless of the weather.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 07, 2013, 12:46:10 am
See reply 637 for what would actually have happened. ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 07, 2013, 09:08:20 am
after a quick browse around a few weather sites, it looks like possible showers on Friday but nothing too bad, very nice on Saturday but down hill from then on. But as we know the forecasters can be less than useless in situations like this, hope you have a pleasant time Deano and stay dry:)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 09, 2013, 05:59:47 pm
Good day for Aus.  Have to see how effective the England bowling attack is.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 09, 2013, 06:11:34 pm
Better than the batting lineup one would hope...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 09, 2013, 07:16:58 pm
couldn't be much worse, or could it ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 09, 2013, 07:29:39 pm
I suppose we should be thankful that a reversion to type happened two matches too late for Australia. :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 09, 2013, 08:56:39 pm
with a bit of luck the weather forecast will be accurate and the wicket will get really lively tomorrow, plenty of cracks opening up for our bowlers to take full advantage of, I haven't seen any tv coverage but going from what has been said on the radio quite a few balls have been "doing something"
After tomorrow though the forecast is pretty carp so it may be bit start stop for the last 3 days.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on August 10, 2013, 09:41:24 am
Trott has stated on the BBC website that the England team are "unhappy wth their batting performance" - so, there you have it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 10, 2013, 10:22:16 am
Cook's average for the series seems to be 28, well below his career 48.3.  Captaincy getting to him?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/11728.html?class=1;home_or_away=1;host=1;opposition=2;spanmax2=10+aug+2013;spanmin2=1+jul+2013;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

Actually Trott has a similar deficit...

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/47623.html?class=1;home_or_away=1;host=1;opposition=2;spanmin1=1+jul+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

If I'm using pages correctly!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 10, 2013, 12:36:39 pm
Looks like Broad is on fire  :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on August 10, 2013, 07:03:36 pm
And Anderson is a dull ember.....
Pretty unimaginative captaincy from Cook.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 11, 2013, 06:56:55 pm
What would we do without Ian Bell?!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: ferret on August 11, 2013, 07:21:13 pm
well, I'll certainly second that, I believe I said a few days ago I would rather have Bell than KP, but just right now I'd rather have Bell than just about any other england batsman. It's not the first time & probably won't be the last time he gets England out of the brown smelly stuff, "they" have started to question Cooks ability to captain the side and keep up his batting skill,again it he wouldn't be the first player unable to mix the two jobs, look at Botham, captaincy didn't do his batting any favours, shame really I think Cook makes a good captain, but if his runs dry up because of it ?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 11, 2013, 07:30:27 pm
Yeah, Bell is brilliant. Good partnership with KP, too.

Cook looked bloody awful on Friday, though the Aussies bowled well to him and gave him no space outside off stump. He still got 50, but it was painful to watch. Not as painful as Bairstow's innings, mind.

This is going to be a tight finish.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 11, 2013, 08:37:37 pm
What would we do without Ian Bell?!

Not in the Ashes, but the mire...

Nice one Bell.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 12, 2013, 11:52:14 am
Hmmm... I'd say England have enough runs to play with* Just. Hopefully the pitch will fall to pieces now.....

* ~250 at the mo
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2013, 12:15:25 pm
I agree, bobb. It would be an outstanding performance if Australia were to win from here.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 12, 2013, 12:33:47 pm
299 to win. Wonder what the odds are (most bookies are blocked from work).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 12, 2013, 04:01:25 pm
Hmmm 80 - 0. I'm not worried though - the collapse will come!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2013, 04:15:48 pm
299 to win. Wonder what the odds are (most bookies are blocked from work).
I imagine they're a lot shorter now Aus are 98-0   

:worried:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 12, 2013, 05:54:22 pm
I agree, bobb. It would be an outstanding performance if Australia were to win from here.

Looks pretty outstanding so far...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: clifftaylor on August 12, 2013, 06:23:09 pm
Or not  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 12, 2013, 06:29:52 pm
Just as well I posted that.  ;D

Out!!!! Phew - that was close.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 12, 2013, 06:32:27 pm
..... the collapse will come!

As I was saying  :P
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Post by: Jaded on August 12, 2013, 06:39:25 pm
And that was even closer.  :o :o
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Post by: clifftaylor on August 12, 2013, 07:02:52 pm
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: clifftaylor on August 12, 2013, 07:42:21 pm
 :) :thumbsup: :smug:
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Post by: Deano on August 12, 2013, 07:44:53 pm
Hmmm 80 - 0. I'm not worried though - the collapse will come!

Good call, bobb.

I wish I'd had your confidence - it was looking a bit doubtful at 120-1 with Warner looking comfortable.

Anyway: ;D
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Post by: Jaded on August 12, 2013, 07:50:25 pm
A Broad-side!
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 12, 2013, 07:58:10 pm
A collapse of that order requires a level of dedication not seen since, ... ooooh England, some years back.
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Post by: clifftaylor on August 12, 2013, 08:36:54 pm
Yes - that was then, this is now. Australia are beaten.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 12, 2013, 08:43:02 pm
and England have won the Ashes.   A good day.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: pcolbeck on August 13, 2013, 08:12:42 am
Crikey ! That was a spectacular bit of bowling.
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Post by: Jakob on August 20, 2013, 04:13:29 am
But at what cost?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/aug/19/england-australia-ashes-2013-stuart-broad

I think he's very wrong when he thinks people will only remember the victory. Cricket is one of the few sports left where they at least pretend to adhere to the spirit of the game and it would be a real shame to see that get lost. (Which a 'winning-at-all-costs attitude will accelerate)
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Post by: Peter on August 20, 2013, 10:59:58 am
I agree with you Jakob.  There are so many contradictions in that statement by Stuart Broad that I think he was just running off at the mouth, without any consciousness of what he was actually saying.  He KNOWS what he did was poor but can't bring himself to make a non-weasel-words admission of it.  It's along the lines of: "I'm sorry if I offended anyone" instead of "I'm sorry I did it" apologies for tasteless remarks.  As for players being uncertain as to whether or not he'd hit it, everyone and his dog (except the umpire) thought he'd hit it.  Ashton Agar was only being polite and giving him the opportunity to admit he'd hit it.  Broad is frequently a superb cricketer (though not always) but I really wouldn't like to see him captaining the test team without a change of attitude.
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Post by: Jaded on August 20, 2013, 11:12:12 am
People think they have hit the ball when they haven't, don't think they have hit it when they have.

Media fuss about not a lot.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2013, 11:14:19 am
Apologising for having done it implies that under similar circumstances he wouldn't do it again, which of course he would.

I absolutely loathe these false apologies. It's all too easy these days for a teacher with responsibility for discipline to bring a child to apologise for what they have done. On the occasion that children have been brought to me by someone senior in order to apologise for their behaviour, the child, and very often the teacher, are shocked by my response.

"Do you know what an apology is? Do you? Do you?"

No response.

"OK, I'll tell you. An apology is an expression of sorrow, of regret, for having done something that you know is wrong and a promise that you will try to improve in the future. How many times this term have you apologised to someone for exactly the behaviour for which you are now apologising to me?"

Look of shock and horror on face of child, squirming by teacher.

"Your silence tells me that it's more than once. That means that your apologies mean nothing at all and if you apologise without it meaning anything, what does that make you?"

No response.

"If you apologise without meaning it, that makes you a liar, doesn't it?"

Look of shock on teacher's face now matches look of horror on child's. You aren't suppose to talk to children in this manner.
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Post by: bobb on August 23, 2013, 11:34:14 am
So Cook and Root have just passed 50 for their opening partnership. The best of this series!

The fact that it's taken them 9 innings to pass 50 together is a bit.. well, shit.
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Post by: ferret on August 24, 2013, 10:17:11 pm
well it's all gone a bit flat and with all this rain interrupted play it gives the media time to drag up all the worst bits of the series and blow them all out of proportion, If Bell gets man of the series on Monday I think everybody will have a job to remember what it was for, including himself.
never mind covered pitches isn't it time to consider covered grounds, maybe if we did have covered grounds that little urn would be booking a seat on the next Quantas flight out of London.

I just got to mention the lack of our ability to bat on a batting wicket, or did it really change that much between the ozzies innings and ours. I don't fancy our chances of keeping hold of the Ashes this winter, might be worth checking out the prices at William Hill   
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Post by: Von Broad on August 25, 2013, 09:23:42 am
If Bell gets man of the series on Monday I think everybody will have a job to remember what it was for, including himself.

Well, if you think that then something written by a journalist probably won't interest you, but I agree with a lot of what Vic Marks says here (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/aug/17/ian-bell-england-ashes).

I don't fancy our chances of keeping hold of the Ashes this winter, might be worth checking out the prices at William Hill

England haven't been great. Neither have Australia. I wouldn't expect much to change over the winter.
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Post by: Jaded on August 25, 2013, 05:20:56 pm
Interesting last few overs, a way to make a draw exciting.
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Post by: ferret on August 25, 2013, 05:33:03 pm
despite my dislike of vic marks he does seem to have got Bell sussed out, at least the weather's been kind today and the game has now turned into a one day match or at least the tac ticks have we might be lucky and get a result other than a draw.
and I still can't see what all the  fuss is about KP, both Root and Trott have better batting averages in this series
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 25, 2013, 07:14:37 pm
Mrs Ant is finally getting the hang of it. When Trott was given out she asked "Is he going to send that upstairs then?"  8)
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Post by: interzen on August 25, 2013, 07:21:22 pm
Mrs Ant is finally getting the hang of it. When Trott was given out she asked "Is he going to send that upstairs then?"  8)
Ah, but did she think it was out? ;)

(I'm watching the text commentary ATM, but I get the impression that it was pretty much plumb)
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 25, 2013, 07:24:06 pm
Nah, she said she thought it was plumb, but in the context of the game he might as well review it.  ;)
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Post by: ferret on August 25, 2013, 07:36:30 pm
no problem with seeing the ball that time,

no wonder people get pi55ed off!!!!!

whats the point of flood lights
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 25, 2013, 07:38:19 pm
That's a fucking disgrace, umpires. Hang your heads in shame ICC.
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Post by: interzen on August 25, 2013, 07:39:15 pm
 :facepalm:

Someone give the ICC a bloody good slap ...
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Post by: Jaded on August 25, 2013, 07:43:19 pm
That was fantastic until the Westons came out  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: interzen on August 25, 2013, 07:49:07 pm
I'm not sure which is worse: the fact that the umpires took them off with 4 (or was it 5?) overs to go and the prospect of a result, or that I actually agree with Boycott on something  :o
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Post by: ferret on August 25, 2013, 07:53:07 pm
4 overs left, 21 runs required and 5 wickets down, would have been proper edge of the seat stuff
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Post by: interzen on August 25, 2013, 07:57:34 pm
4 overs left, 21 runs required and 5 wickets down, would have been proper edge of the seat stuff
If I hadn't posted on FacePalm words to the effect that I thought Trott and Pietersen were taking the Aussies to the cleaners we'd probably still be 3 down ;D

I'm good at jinxing innings, me ...

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Post by: clifftaylor on August 25, 2013, 08:18:17 pm
I'd imagine that the bloke who sent a text to the BBC team saying he had £10 on  England to win the match at 175-1 is a bit miffed  :o
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Post by: mattc on August 26, 2013, 08:21:36 am
So we've all agreed the ICC are evil little shits who owe £50K to our supporters at the Oval. But:

Does the safety of the fielding side come into any of this? Discuss.


(I really don't know the answer ... I can't remember enough 'disputed' bad light decisions, and i've never seen one in the flesh.)
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Post by: Basil on August 26, 2013, 08:48:00 am
My greatest concern is that people are going to think twice about spending large amounts of money on test match tickets.  I bet there are many who were stung yesterday who might not wish to risk repeating the experience.
The cost of taking a family to a test is already the major factor in deciding whether or not to attend.  Now we can also add the "What's the point?" factor.  >:(
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Post by: Jaded on August 26, 2013, 09:32:46 am
So we've all agreed the ICC are evil little shits who owe £50K to our supporters at the Oval. But:

Does the safety of the fielding side come into any of this? Discuss.


(I really don't know the answer ... I can't remember enough 'disputed' bad light decisions, and i've never seen one in the flesh.)


Of course it does. That's why we never play day night matches.
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Post by: Jaded on August 26, 2013, 09:43:03 am
Aggers is cross. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23837976

They came off because they had to come off at the same light level that they did previously, on Thursday.

However, as Aggers says, it was brave/generous of Clarke to try to go for the win and a loss for the Aussies just would not have been cricket.
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Post by: Jakob on August 26, 2013, 09:59:28 pm
After their display in the first innings, it was only just that they ran out of time. No sympathy here whatsoever.
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Post by: Dibdib on August 29, 2013, 07:25:15 pm
What do you call an Australian who can handle a bat?

A vet.

 O:-)
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Post by: mattc on August 29, 2013, 07:27:32 pm
After their display in the first innings, it was only just that they ran out of time. No sympathy here whatsoever.
Mikey Vaughan read out a great tweet during the run chase - something like:

Oh dear, it looks like Cook's 1st innings negativity may come to nothing :(
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Post by: ferret on August 29, 2013, 07:33:37 pm
listening to the T20 right now, Australia seem to be hitting quite a few 6's they are 180 for 2 after 15 overs
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Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on August 29, 2013, 07:38:05 pm
199-2 off 16 now. And the laydeez match went so well.

edit: 215-2 off 16.4 ... 221-2 off 16.4, Finch 151 off 60.
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Post by: Deano on August 30, 2013, 12:31:49 am
Highlights on 5 now.

 :o Good grief that was some innings from Finch.
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Post by: Jaded on September 14, 2013, 10:37:34 am
Front row seats by third man at the Swalec. Rather fun so far :)

We are in front of some orange people.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 14, 2013, 10:58:49 am
Are they from Essex?
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Post by: Jaded on September 14, 2013, 11:22:49 am
I'll ask :D
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Post by: Jaded on September 14, 2013, 03:18:54 pm
Nice hat trick. :(
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Post by: ferret on September 14, 2013, 03:36:34 pm
don't want to worry you Jaded but there is a massive big black cloud floating overhead  right now heading in a Sophia Gardens type direction

now with added drops of rain.:(
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Post by: andyoxon on September 14, 2013, 06:07:35 pm
Getting interesting...
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Post by: Basil on September 14, 2013, 06:12:58 pm
That sounded like a great game, Jaded.
Bet you enjoyed it.  :D
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Post by: andyoxon on September 14, 2013, 06:23:35 pm
That's the way to do it...* :thumbsup:

* if it goes down to the last over.
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Post by: Jaded on September 14, 2013, 08:25:51 pm
Yes Basil - a brilliant day out!

Though it got dark it never rained, and most of the time it was good cricket weather. At lunch we were thinking that it was a toss-winners match, as it was drying off and we expected less from the wicket in the afternoon. Then there was the hat trick  :-\

Really enjoyed it - especially sledging Mitchell Johnson between his overs  :thumbsup:
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Post by: andyoxon on September 14, 2013, 11:43:19 pm
Quote
Zimbabwe have recorded a landmark Test victory by beating Pakistan by 24 runs in Harare to draw the series 1-1.
BBC

 :o :o :o   :)
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Post by: Deano on September 15, 2013, 12:05:33 am
Aye, that looked like a decent ODI, Jaded. Buttler did his thing in the end.

There's a good report about Zimbabwe's win here:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-pakistan-2013/content/story/671499.html
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Post by: ferret on October 27, 2013, 10:57:47 am
Richie Benaud has a bit of a crash
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/24649656
actually just trying to bring some summer back into the thread
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Post by: Wowbagger on October 27, 2013, 11:36:55 am
Good effort, that, I thought.
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Post by: Peter on October 27, 2013, 03:03:35 pm
Good effort, that, I thought.
;D
Nice one, P!  Hope Richie will be ok - and the Alpine.
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Post by: ferret on November 06, 2013, 08:26:46 am
well it looks as though Capt'n Cook is back on form 154 not out on the first day along with 153 not out from Carberry, now all they need is the rest of the team to follow suit and we'll be laughing
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Post by: Peter on November 06, 2013, 10:21:55 am
Any coomments from Shane Warne?
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Post by: Von Broad on November 06, 2013, 07:54:31 pm
Any coomments from Shane Warne?

Funny. Old Warney, trying to draw Cook into the ring, but I'm glad Cook didn't get involved. Maybe he will when the series has finished.  ;)

Should be an interesting series. And probably very close too.
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Post by: bobb on February 19, 2014, 09:36:14 pm
There are a few cricket threads, but seeing as this one is just called "The Cricket", it'll do  :P

I see today that Brendon McCullum scored 302 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26235975) becoming the first New Zealander ever to score a triple hundred in a test match. Apparantly, he becomes only the 27th triple centurion in Test history.

So who are the other 26? Can we get them all without any Googling at all? I'll start with some really obvious ones with scores I can remember off the top of my head:

Lara: 375
Sobers: 365
Hutton: 364
Bradman:334
Gooch: 333

I can think of a few others (but don't recall their exact scores), so I'll hand over to anybody (possibly nobody  :P ) who wants to have a crack at listing a few more.

NO GOOGLING!
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Post by: Deano on February 19, 2014, 10:53:24 pm
Matthew Hayden scored one in the nineties.

I'm pretty sure Michael Clarke has too.
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2014, 06:58:19 am
I have a recollection of Brearley scoring a triple century but it may not have been a test match.

I don't remember a specific innings, but Lawrence Rowe springs to mind as someone who had a real purple patch in the 1970s. Zaheer Abbas? Hanif Mohammed scores 499 in 1957 but that wasn't a test. Majid Khan?
Dravid? Gavaskar? Tendulkar?

Edit: I have just checked. Brearley's triple was as captain of the MCC  U25 team v Pakistan. Two of the names I mentioned were on the list.
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Post by: bobb on February 20, 2014, 09:18:12 am
Hanif Mohammed scores 499 in 1957 but that wasn't a test. Majid Khan?
Dravid? Gavaskar? Tendulkar?

Although Hanif Mohammed is well known for scroing 499 in a first class game, I'm pretty sure he also scored a triple in a test match. I'm not too sure about Dravid, Gavaskar or Tendulkar though. I think possibly not.

Some from recent years I can recall (other than the already mentioned Clarke and Hayden) are Chris Gayle, Younis Khan and Verinder Sehwag.

Walter Hammond back in the 30s would also be on the list.

Other than that, I'm pretty much just guessing. I think I may have to look the rest up  :P
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2014, 10:16:46 am
The two I got right were Hanif Mohammad (1958), although I spelt his name wrong, and Lawrence Rowe (1974). The were two others I could have named had I thought about it more, both of whom were English, one of whom was indeed Hammond.

My father, whenever Wally Hammond was mentioned, always referred to a newspaper headline he recalled on the occasion that Hammond was out for a duck. It was "Hammond Egg!".
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Post by: Deano on February 20, 2014, 10:39:20 am
I think they're mostly within the last 25 years or so.

Hashim Amla.

I keep thinking Javed Miandad, but I'm not sure he ever scored a triple hundred.

Sod it, I'm off to cricinfo.
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2014, 05:29:31 pm
I keep thinking about Archie McLaren's 424 against Somerset in 1895, which remained the highest score in English cricket for 99 years. I couldn't tell you who broke it though.
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2014, 05:38:39 pm
Another nugget of trivia that lodges somewhere in my brain is the highest individual inning by a batsman on the losing side.
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Post by: bobb on February 20, 2014, 05:45:04 pm
I keep thinking about Archie McLaren's 424 against Somerset in 1895, which remained the highest score in English cricket for 99 years. I couldn't tell you who broke it though.

Graeme Hick?

Edit: Hang on - Brain Lara's 501 for Warcks more likely!
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2014, 05:55:48 pm
I have just checked: it was Lara's 501 for Warwickshire v Durham in 1994. I should have known that had I thought about it a bit more because I was in a trip to Scotland with work and I recall the conversation with my boss's boss over breakfast the following morning:

Him: (looking up briefly from his Independent)Good grief! Brian Lara scored 501 not out yesterday.

Me: Blimey! That beats Hanif Mohammad's 499 for Railways against Lahore* in 1957.

Him: (staggered) How did you know that?

*actually it was Karachi v Bahawalpur, as everyone knows, but it slipped my mind in the heat of the moment.
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Post by: Jaded on March 05, 2014, 03:50:56 pm
And Australia with with a few overs to spare, proving that Test Match cricket can be fun.
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Post by: Salvatore on March 24, 2014, 11:42:22 am
A freak dismissal in the world T20 this morning, Hashim Amla the victim.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7QnsFGv5I
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Post by: ferret on March 24, 2014, 11:57:23 am
^ good job the bowler kept his eye on the ball, very odd
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Post by: ferret on March 31, 2014, 06:45:02 pm
so is there any point even mentioning the T20, apparently hardly any ones put their name in teh hat for the position of coach, can't imagine why ???
looks like Gus is the only one, never rated him much as a player !!
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Post by: Basil on May 20, 2014, 08:30:54 pm
Blimey.  AndrewC appears to be one of the umpires in tonight's T20.
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Post by: Jaded on May 22, 2014, 08:53:05 pm
Not going too badly at the moment.
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Post by: Basil on May 25, 2014, 04:50:54 pm
Normal service has been resumed.   >:(

Well,  at least the idiots having a go at Cookie can't blame him for that one.
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Post by: interzen on May 25, 2014, 04:53:40 pm
Normal service has been resumed.   >:(

Well,  at least the idiots having a go at Cookie can't blame him for that one.
I saw a link on the front page of the Beeb's website - I stopped reading after 'England collapse' ....
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Post by: Jaded on May 28, 2014, 04:39:04 pm
We don't need much runs today.

Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Si on May 29, 2014, 05:07:45 pm
I have to say, being the cynic that I am....if this were cycling, such erratic changes of fortune would have everyone up in arms shouting "doping".
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Post by: Peter on May 29, 2014, 09:43:58 pm
It's betting, in cricket....
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Post by: Jaded on May 31, 2014, 07:56:51 pm
Thrilling finish!
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Post by: clifftaylor on June 16, 2014, 07:46:31 pm
Cook needs to grow a pair.
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Post by: Deano on June 16, 2014, 07:49:52 pm
Made for a close finish, though!
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Post by: Tom B on June 20, 2014, 12:42:43 pm
To revive Bobb's challenge above
 
Quote
So who are the other 26? Can we get them all without any Googling at all? I'll start with some really obvious ones with scores I can remember off the top of my head:

a quiz aid (http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/cricket_triplecenturies)
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 20, 2014, 12:56:49 pm
14/28 for me. I was all but useless on anything since 2000. It should have been more but my brain went blank on the 364 - which is one I know and simply couldn't recall. Likewise the other English one in 1930. I just didn't know the Aus on v England in 1966.

Why is it that more triple centuries are now being scored? Fifteen of those were scored between 1930 and 2000 and the other 13 in the past 13 years. So, one a year this century, one every 7 years in the previous 70 years. Is there five times as much test cricket as there used to be? Or are batsmen better? Or bowlers worse? O rumpires just less inclined to give decisions? Or has the technology had some effect?
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Post by: Deano on June 20, 2014, 01:06:22 pm
18 for me. Should have got a couple more, but I'd completely forgotten one of the Aussies.
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Post by: R_nger on June 20, 2014, 09:11:30 pm
23. Used to read lots of this stuff as a kid and appear to have accumulated a shelf full of Wisdens ! Top Trumps used to help too !
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Post by: Jaded on June 20, 2014, 09:16:14 pm
Good first day in test 2
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Post by: andyoxon on June 21, 2014, 12:47:54 pm
How long do you reckon Cook has left as captain and/or opening batsman?
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Post by: ferret on June 22, 2014, 07:45:27 pm
who would replace him ? I think he does ok as captain but his batting is letting him down recently, perhaps he does need to be a touch more thoughtful about his field placings maybe his batting would improve if the captaincy was taken from him he wouldn't be the first.
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Post by: Jaded on June 23, 2014, 06:32:40 pm
Ooops.
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Post by: ferret on June 23, 2014, 10:54:57 pm
so delicately put Jaded, :)

in the TMS commentary box today there was talk that if England lose this game that perhaps Cook will step down as captain, no useful names were put forward as a replacement thobut, on another note isn't Billy Bowden having a bit of a shocker
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Post by: Deano on June 23, 2014, 10:59:29 pm
It's hard to pick another captain from the team. Possibly Prior.

Cook's form is well off. There was a good piece in the Graun over the weekend arguing that Cook should give up ODIs to sort out his test batting, but I'm not sure that'd do much for the captaincy problems, unless there's some sort of confidence osmosis at play.

Anyway, Sri Lanka deserve the win, especially after being put in to bat. Only the Yorkshire weather can save England now ;)
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Post by: ferret on June 23, 2014, 11:12:18 pm
Prior was one name put forward, but keeping wicket and being captain is not easy, look at the mess Stewart made of things, plus Prior's place isn't certain right now from what I've read and he's missed a few in this game, I only kept wicket and captained the local village team and that was hard enough :)
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 24, 2014, 06:54:29 pm
I understand that if England, who have 3 overs to face, get a draw in this match, it will be the first time in test history that a team going into the day 5-down will have saved the game. If they do, it can only be down to inspired captaincy by Cook.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 24, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Two overs to go. Nasser Hussain reports that Anderson's innings is the fourth longest duck in test history.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 24, 2014, 07:06:45 pm
And one. It's to be faced by Anderson. He has now achieved the longest ever test duck by an England player. Huzzah!
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 24, 2014, 07:09:10 pm
Oh dear...
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Post by: bobb on June 24, 2014, 07:10:18 pm
FFS!!!!
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Post by: interzen on June 24, 2014, 07:20:49 pm
Just caught up with the text commentary on the Beeb ... there was a certain inevitability about the result, but even so .... ouch!

You've got to feel for Jimmy Anderson ... good knock from Ali, though. Must be something to do with the Beard Of Awesome.
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Post by: Jaded on June 24, 2014, 07:32:59 pm
Yes, they both played the back game very well. Jimmy Anderson was on his haunches for ages after the wicket - much like Ian Bell was at Cardiff in the first Ashes test. A different result though.

Great reminder of how Test Cricket is in a different league from any other sport.
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Post by: mcshroom on June 24, 2014, 08:44:40 pm
Indeed. Swann was sat in the TMS box saying play the full ball and let a short one just hit you at that point. Not as easy when you have a fast bowler trying to knock your head off. So near, yet so far.
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Post by: ferret on June 24, 2014, 09:43:15 pm
well that was real edge of the seat stuff, just watched the high lights, only three things to say about the ball that got Anderson 1, he took his eye's off the ball, 2, he should have ducked, 3, it was a very good ball :)
Cook seems to be quite relaxed and taking it in his stride. Going by the chat on TMS and others there is definitely a shortage of names being put forward as a replacement still only ten days to go before it all starts again, lets hope the team can pick themselves up in that time.
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Post by: Deano on June 25, 2014, 08:41:49 am
Ah, what a great finish. I kinda wish I'd gone down to Headingley yesterday now.
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Post by: Peter on June 25, 2014, 10:22:56 am
Yes,excitement is what you want.  The great thing about cricket is that you are never going to finish worse than second - mind you, the same is true of boxing.....
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Post by: Peter on June 25, 2014, 06:48:11 pm
Fabulous results for Durham and, to a lesser extent, Lancashire, today.
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Post by: mattc on June 25, 2014, 06:55:17 pm
Silver lining; Swann is going to be an excellent pundit :-)
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Post by: ferret on June 26, 2014, 08:32:29 pm
India appear to be off to a good start, I haven't read any match reports yet, just going by the score 333 for 4!!
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Post by: ferret on June 28, 2014, 04:32:00 pm
So auntie B considers the tennis more important than the cricket, does anyone know where I can at least listen to the game, and don't say grace road please :)
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Post by: ferret on June 30, 2014, 08:55:56 am
So it would appear that day night Test matches will be going ahead as early as next year so say AC and NZC and they will use a pink ball, could be fun if it ever comes to this part of the world :)
 
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Post by: ferret on July 11, 2014, 07:12:19 pm
well personally I think we have India on the back foot, maybe our batting could do with a bit of a tweak here and there.
On a more serious note I think India should not be allowed to play test cricket until they accept DRS like the rest of the test playing countries
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Post by: interzen on July 12, 2014, 12:08:26 pm
100 for Joe Root, 50 for Jimmy Anderson  :thumbsup: ... seems like this could be the match for last wicket partnerships.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 12, 2014, 12:32:39 pm
What is their partnership now? I remember the previous record: John Murray scored a century but was out on with the team on 399. Snow joined Higgs and they put on 127 for the last wicket. It was the final test and lots of the regulars had been dropped because Englad were 3 - 0 down against Sobers' W. Indies. Close was captain. When the visitors batted, Sobers was out for a duck, caught at short leg by Close himself. England won. 1966 I think.

Edit: bugger! One run out! The last wicket partnership was 128.
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Post by: interzen on July 12, 2014, 12:42:03 pm
Current partnership is 145 - Root 120*, Anderson 65*
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Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2014, 12:47:50 pm
Well done Root/Anderson...  :thumbsup:
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Post by: interzen on July 12, 2014, 12:48:47 pm
I'm beginning to think that a cheeky trip down to Nottingham might be on the cards tomorrow ...
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Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2014, 01:09:31 pm
Highest 10th wicket partnership in test history!
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Post by: interzen on July 12, 2014, 01:14:19 pm
The stand is now 164 - that's a record  :thumbsup:

Next up, the highest score by a Test number 11: 98 ..... c'mon Jimmy! (currently 70* and lunch isn't until 1330 or thereabouts)
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Post by: Basil on July 12, 2014, 01:56:30 pm
I'm late to this today.  I've just switched on for the afternoon session and couldn't understand why they weren't playing.  Took me a while to work it out.
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Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2014, 02:34:06 pm
Oh well, not to be.

Skittle them out for 120 and we can wrap it up before lunch tomorrow.
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Post by: interzen on July 13, 2014, 12:44:16 pm
So much for going down to Trent Bridge today - the humidity was so bad last night I hardly slept and I'd have been in no state to face the M1 :(

Now that I'm awake and caffeinated I see that we're into the Indian tail now - remember guys, you're aiming for the three sticks that are behind the batsmen.

I still think that a draw has a certain inevitability to it, mind, but at least there's been a bit of excitement.
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Post by: Jaded on July 13, 2014, 12:55:02 pm
When we got the two quick wickets it looked good.

More wickets now!!!
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Post by: ferret on July 13, 2014, 01:05:07 pm
lots of fretting about the match at Lords, maybe see a few changes to the bowling line up. I still think India shouldn't be allowed to opt out of using the DRS, it's a bit like a football team choosing not to use linesmen!!
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Post by: Mr Larrington on July 13, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
So much for going down to Trent Bridge today - the humidity was so bad last night I hardly slept and I'd have been in no state to face the M1 :(

This ^^^^.  I was contemplating a little trip to Derbyshire but suffered the above.  Even with the fan turned up to 11.  The it rained through the Velux window at 05:00 chiz :(
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Post by: interzen on July 13, 2014, 04:59:28 pm
Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS  :o

ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket  :o
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Post by: interzen on July 13, 2014, 05:05:42 pm
And that's yer lot ... officially it's a draw but in reality the pitch won.
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Post by: Basil on July 13, 2014, 05:51:09 pm
I went up to the pub, after an enjoyable fixed ride around the city, to watch.  At about 2:30 when it became pointless, I got them to switch to ITV4.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Vince on July 14, 2014, 02:29:50 pm
Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS  :o

ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket  :o
Reminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think  the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 14, 2014, 02:43:16 pm
I recall Gooch bowling and taking 5 WI wickets for not many when playing for Essex. ISTR he took a few test wickets as well, including IVA Richards and Sunil Gavaskar.
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Post by: interzen on July 14, 2014, 07:21:36 pm
Getting a bit daft now - Alastair Cook is bowling, FFS  :o

ETA: and he's just taken a bloody wicket  :o
Reminds me of when Boycott put his cap on backwards to bowl. I think  the batsman must have had tears of laughters in his eyes and couldn't see the ball properly for Boycott to have taken his wicket!
I have a vague recollection of Graham Thorpe (of all people) doing something similar - don't think he ended up taking a wicket, though.
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Post by: Jaded on July 16, 2014, 07:15:13 am
Jimmy Anderson up before the beak

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28319579

He could be banned for the next four tests for allegedly pushing Jadeja.
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Post by: Deano on July 17, 2014, 12:22:14 am
This whole Jimmy Anderson/Ravi Jadeja thing - I do wonder I he's concocted it himself to avoid having to bowl on another pitch like Trentbridge ;D
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Post by: ferret on July 17, 2014, 06:51:28 pm
No, the Indians have concocted it to put Jimmy Anderson of his stride, not a bad days play, bet the Indians wish they were using DSR thobut!
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Post by: interzen on July 18, 2014, 02:46:49 pm
Jimmy Anderson up before the beak

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28319579

He could be banned for the next four tests for allegedly pushing Jadeja.
Pity that 'being a dick' isn't a doable offence, since Jadeja would probably be up there instead of Jimmy (not that he's entirely blameless, but the Indians are being a bit dickish about the whole thing)

Meanwhile, at Lords, another captain's innings from Cook  ::-)
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Post by: interzen on July 18, 2014, 03:53:22 pm
Half-ton for Gary Ballance - there'll be no heroics from Joe Root in this innings, though.

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Post by: interzen on July 18, 2014, 05:49:28 pm
Proof that Cook really has lost the plot captaincy-wise: the new man in is .... Liam Plunkett

There are times and places for a nightwatchman. This is neither the time nor the place :facepalm:
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Post by: Peter on July 18, 2014, 06:00:33 pm
S, I don't know the match situation because I'm hoping to watch the highlights, but Liam Plunkett can bat - at least as well as Cook, who is not available because of a previous engagement.  If he bats now, he will be rested by the time he needs to bowl - unless he gets a hundred, which is quite possibe!
As for the place: the match is at Lords, Liam Plunkett is at Lords - I rest your case!
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Post by: interzen on July 18, 2014, 06:12:30 pm
Yes, he can bat, but sending him in as nightwatchman strikes me as unnecessarily risky, even taking into account Matt Prior's less than stellar form at the moment (reading between the lines of the text commentary on the Beeb it would appear that Prior wasn't expecting Plunkett to go in before him either!)

But then what do I know? When I played cricket my batting ability was so bad that I generally got the right end of the bat on the second go and I can barely manage myself let alone myself plus 10 others ;)
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Post by: Peter on July 18, 2014, 06:17:27 pm
I talk a better game than I played, too!
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Post by: andyoxon on July 18, 2014, 07:44:16 pm
Proof that Cook really has lost the plot captaincy-wise: the new man in is .... Liam Plunkett

There are times and places for a nightwatchman. This is neither the time nor the place :facepalm:

What a lame looking prod for out from Cook.  Days are numbered.
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Post by: interzen on July 18, 2014, 07:50:23 pm
The fact that Kumar managed to get the ball to move around a bit certainly bodes well for a certain lad from Burnley.

Ballance's innings aside, England have been pretty 'meh' - if gadding around with his shirt off helps him to score centuries then long may it continue.
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 02:59:08 pm
319 to win ... this has just got very interesting.

Two mighty fine catches notwithstanding, this is Cookie's last throw of the dice I reckon ...
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 20, 2014, 03:05:39 pm
319 is beyond England, I'm afraid. I hope they manage it but it's a very tall order.
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 03:12:12 pm
319 is beyond England, I'm afraid. I hope they manage it but it's a very tall order.
I'm inclined to agree - they can't keep relying on the middle order (and the occasional tail-ender) to bail them out. Plus there seems to be a fair bit of movement in the pitch now (that's the impression I'm getting, at any rate)

On the plus side there's definitely going to be a result, but I don't think it's going to be an England win - I'd love them to prove me wrong but really I don't see it happening. Even before the current woes their previous form vis-a-vis big run chases wasn't particularly good.

ETA: Just been a big appeal for leg-before - not given, but I bet the Indians are wishing they had DRS ...  :P
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 20, 2014, 03:27:51 pm
Quote from: BBC
Only once has a team made more than 319 in the fourth innings to win a Test at Lord's. The highest chases are:

344-1: West Indies v England, 1984 (below)

282-3: England v New Zealand, 2004

218-3: England v New Zealand, 1965

I remember that one in 1984. It was embarrassing. WI were just so good then - an unplayable pace attack, an enormous batting line-up with Richards coming at 4. Greenidge and Fredericks* scored the runs, I think. Gower was captain. That might even have been the test when he went for a helicopter ride.

*Wrong. It was Larry Gomes. Greenidge score 214 out of 334.
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 03:43:14 pm
First wicket gone ...

Gary Ballance, your country needs you (again) ... Cook's giving every impression of avoiding the strike. Not the sort of thing you'd want from an opener I'd have thought.

Anyway, I reckon Michael Vaughan has just nailed it - target notwithstanding, England need to take this on a session-by-session basis and try and avoid doing anything boneheaded. The weather sure as hell isn't going to save them.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 20, 2014, 04:39:10 pm
First wicket gone ...

Gary Ballance, your country needs you (again) ... Cook's giving every impression of avoiding the strike. Not the sort of thing you'd want from an opener I'd have thought.

Anyway, I reckon Michael Vaughan has just nailed it - target notwithstanding, England need to take this on a session-by-session basis and try and avoid doing anything boneheaded. The weather sure as hell isn't going to save them.

I think that's the only way to play for these big last-innings totals. It's a bit like doing a Bloody Stupid AudaxTM or s difficult chess ending. You just have to keep on whittling away at the miles/runs/tiny positional advantage and avoid mistakes. Psychology will enter into it quite a bit. England's first target is to make their opponents frustrated with lack of wickets and just keep the scoreboard ticking over. As the man said, "We'll get 'em in ones".
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 04:43:19 pm
It looks like they're doing exactly that - chipping away at the total with the occasional boundary chucked in for good measure.

There are ominous reports of rain elsewhere in London, though ...
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Post by: ferret on July 20, 2014, 05:02:26 pm
unfortunately our batsmen are prone to doing boneheaded things just lately, all England need to do is take their time we have all day tomorrow to bat, fingers crossed,
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 05:21:46 pm
Bell's just had his stumps rearranged ... :facepalm:


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Post by: ferret on July 20, 2014, 05:22:14 pm
I honestly didn't think it could get any worse, we could lose this game tonight if we're not careful
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Post by: interzen on July 20, 2014, 05:26:31 pm
I honestly didn't think it could get any worse, we could lose this game tonight if we're not careful
I'm wondering if Plunkett might not be the next man in, in the hope that he'll repeat his performance in the first innings ... time for Root and Cook to dig in and occupy the crease a la Boycott/Tavare (which in turn would cause those few MCC members still awake to nod off ;) )

An hour and a bit left in this session, so 15-20 overs absolute tops ... more than enough time for things to go horribly wrong, and isn't there the prospect of an extra half hour if there's chance of a result? There's a very real chance that India could wrap this up this evening.
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Post by: ferret on July 20, 2014, 05:33:24 pm
yes they could claim an extra half hour if it looks like they may get a result, the only thing that might prevent that is bad light and I believe the flood lights are already on, OMG cook has gone !!!!!
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Post by: ferret on July 20, 2014, 05:39:52 pm
I think the captains performance is the least of the England squads worries, the main bowlers haven't performed, the main batsmen certainly haven't made runs and they can't blame the wicket this time, someone needs to have a serious word with the whole team!!
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Post by: Basil on July 20, 2014, 05:43:40 pm
I blame the fact that there are all those foreign players in the Premiere League.
Oh, hang on...
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Post by: interzen on July 21, 2014, 10:46:06 am
The burning question for today: will it be all over by lunch or tea? I very much doubt that we'll see an evening session ...
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Post by: Jaded on July 21, 2014, 02:26:07 pm
It was all going so well until the last over before lunch.
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Post by: interzen on July 21, 2014, 02:34:13 pm
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

What is this? A Test Match or catching practice for India?  :facepalm:

All three of the latest wickets were down to utterly moronic shots, and even their relative lack of experience is no excuse for Root and Stokes.

As for Matt Prior, I reckon he's Test career is pretty much dead in the water now. Get someone like Chris Read back behind the stumps and bring Jos Buttler in as a batsman until he's got a bit more experience at Test level.

Even by England's lax standards this has been utterly shambolic.

ETA: And as I typed this, Broad has been dismissed - 7 wickets for Sharma, and there's no reason why he can't add an eighth unless Jimmy Anderson has a few tricks up his sleeve.
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Post by: interzen on July 21, 2014, 02:48:47 pm
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 21, 2014, 05:45:49 pm
Well, Jimmy did have a trick up his sleeve to deprive the Indian bowler of his 8th wicket - he got himself run out!
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Post by: ferret on July 21, 2014, 05:55:55 pm
and as per usual the comments at the end were "we'll take the good points about this game away with us" blah blah blah, the only good points were the way India bowled and batted on a wicket prepared for the England team!!
Cook is determined to keep his place but there's nothing to work with just now,
 
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Post by: interzen on July 21, 2014, 06:16:24 pm
Well, Jimmy did have a trick up his sleeve to deprive the Indian bowler of his 8th wicket - he got himself run out!
Not quite what I had in mind ...

Anyway, there were the usual platitudes and excuses at the end - trouble is, there's no credible alternative to Cook for the captaincy IMO: if Ian Bell's form wasn't in the crapper then he'd probably be a good choice given that he captains Warwickshire, and I don't think Stuart Broad has the temperament to be a Test captain (yet). I'd be reluctant to give the job to Jimmy either, given the job that he has to do with the ball. Joe Root? Maybe in 2-3 years, but currently he lacks Test experience. Prior? I don't think so - after his performance in his match I reckon his Test career is over. I always thought he was a mediocre keeper at best and vastly overrated as a batsman.

Having said that, the last thing that's required would be a knee-jerk reaction that brings Pietersen back - England have enough problems without a rampant ego to deal with as well.
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Post by: ferret on July 22, 2014, 09:48:02 pm
as you say there is no one to replace Cook, the whole team seem to be struggling, the newer younger players are doing ok but only ok, it's difficult to pin point where the problem is, Prior looks like he's carrying an injury so he needs to go, few weeks off, physio or whatever  come back fitter and better, as for the others maybe with Cook it's psychological but even Bell is in poor shape, could it be the coaching staff or team selectors just picking the wrong players, I suppose the one good thing is that we don't meet the ozzies for the ashes until next July hopefully we will have sorted things out by then ??
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Post by: interzen on July 22, 2014, 10:31:06 pm
The squad for the next test is, apparently:

Alastair Cook (Essex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Sam Robson (Middlesex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire).

So, no real change apart from Buttler replacing Matt Prior. For all the banging on about having a dedicated spin bowler they've dropped Simon Kerrigan  ::-) This being the case, I hope they give Moeen Ali a decent spell if the pitch looks like it's taking spin.

At very least I'd have rested Stuart Broad as he's clearly having problems with a recurrent knee injury, but then common sense never has come easily to the board of selectors.
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Post by: ferret on July 27, 2014, 03:27:17 pm
not really been listening to the game today, I've been busy replacing a large hot water header tank into a rather small hole got very hot and sweaty and the use of some rather choice anglo saxon was used to help the job along, anyhow all done now, so catching up with Le Tour and the cricket
the race looks very tame right now but the cricket appears to be going well ? 
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Post by: Deano on July 28, 2014, 05:17:16 pm
Quite a debut from Buttler. I kinda got the feeling he was always going to be sidelined into limited-overs games, so good to see.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 30, 2014, 03:07:05 pm
Declaration at slightly before tea interval?

edit. Done - 445 for India win.
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Post by: Jaded on July 30, 2014, 09:16:29 pm
I predicted the last Indian wicket to fall after 22 minutes. I won the sweepstake.
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Post by: ferret on July 31, 2014, 10:51:23 pm
well that was a bit more like it, and didn't the bearded on do well!! maybe he'll stay in the squad a bit longer now, especially if his batting picks up again, all we need to do now is improve or at least not go backwards for the next two test's.
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Post by: Deano on July 31, 2014, 10:54:17 pm
How many of the wickets were taken by bearded players? Moeen took 6-for in the second innings, and 5 wickets from a whiskery Jimmy in the first. Beard power!
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Post by: interzen on July 31, 2014, 11:04:40 pm
Went out for lunch, came back and it was all over, meaning no TMS to listen to whilst I was working  :(

The Beard Of Awesome was, indeed, awesome - I hope he gets the chance to work more on his bowling as I reckon there's some real potential there. OK, so he's no Shane Warne with the ball but once he stopped faffing around and got stuck in to varying pace and flight he got results. Six of them in the second innings, in fact. Good for him.

Good performance from Jos Buttler too, although I'm a bit surprised they didn't punt him up the order in the second innings and let him cut loose - either way, it's difficult to see a way back for Matt Prior now.

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Post by: Peter on August 01, 2014, 01:16:02 am
Bit surprised that Anderson got man of the match, though he played a strong hand.  Gary Ballance scored about 190 runs and was not actually out in either innings.

A great result, though like Innerzen I was deprived of an expected listen.
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Post by: ferret on August 01, 2014, 11:34:08 am
yes I made sure I got all my noisy work done early on, so that I could settle down to a bit of weeding and digging whilst listening to TMS, most inconsiderate of them to finish early. Maybe man of the match went to Anderson as a show of support, what with his hearing being held today,
all a bit stupid in my opinion they're having to fly someone in from Australia, mind you Anderson did prove he can't keep his gob shut when coming off the pitch on Wednesday!!
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Post by: mcshroom on August 01, 2014, 05:39:04 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28612034
Looks like Anderson will be bowling at Old Trafford then.
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Post by: interzen on August 01, 2014, 05:57:00 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28612034
Looks like Anderson will be bowling at Old Trafford then.
Good - maybe they'll rest Stuart Broad and give his knee time to sort itself out.
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Post by: ferret on August 01, 2014, 10:10:24 pm
going from what aggers was saying earlier in the week it's not a case of if but when, there is a problem with Broads knee and it needs working on, I got the impression that there is a possibility the op may jeopardize his career and that's why it keeps getting put but I suppose that goes for any op that a pro player faces
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Post by: Jaded on August 07, 2014, 11:59:35 am
India 8-4

That's the British way of showing the score, not the Australian one. Still rather good.
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Post by: matthew on August 07, 2014, 12:08:39 pm
I think Dhoni might be regretting opting to bat.
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Post by: interzen on August 07, 2014, 12:15:23 pm
Given that India are 4 down already ( 15-4 - it's like an England scorecard from the 90s  :o ) I guess we'll find out pretty quickly if the England top order have managed to get their acts together once they bat.

I need to go to Te$co to pick up a prescription and I'm sorely tempted to do it during the lunch interval so that there's actually some cricket to listen to when I get back :) (during the last Test I went out for some lunch and it was all over by the time I got back)

OTOH, this afternoon's aural entertainment is sorted even if it is the sound of Indian wickets falling and Sir Geoffrey mithering on about footwork ...
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Post by: Basil on August 07, 2014, 12:25:08 pm
This comment on twitter ticked me

"This is the cricket version of the first half hour of Brazil v Germany. Virat Kohli is David Luiz"
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Post by: ferret on August 07, 2014, 08:33:49 pm
according to the chaps in the TMS box, after this series is over but before the world cup starts Broad will be whisked of to the Netherlands for his knee op. At least I think they said the Netherlands it was definitely somewhere cold, :)
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Post by: andyoxon on August 09, 2014, 01:58:41 pm
Broad's off hurt - due to poor helmet/guard design AFAICS.
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Post by: interzen on August 09, 2014, 02:10:27 pm
Shades of Marshall to Gatting there ... ouch!
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Post by: ferret on August 09, 2014, 02:15:58 pm
that must be the 3rd time in this game alone that I've heard Boyks come out with that story
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Post by: interzen on August 09, 2014, 02:25:31 pm
that must be the 3rd time in this game alone that I've heard Boyks come out with that story
It's not every day someone gets their face remodelled by a lifter ... don't think Gatt was wearing a helmet, though.

ETA: as I typed that, England have declared - 367-9 which, if my arithmetic hasn't failed me, is a lead of 215.
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Post by: ferret on August 09, 2014, 02:47:06 pm
quite right no helmet, also Gatt was asked by a reporter if it hurt ?? not sure what the reply was :)
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Post by: ferret on August 09, 2014, 02:54:36 pm
Just remembered, while the game was rained off yesterday they replayed the "Blackwash" programme interestingly all the England players they talked to who had played in that series were all very surprised by the reaction of the news papers and other media with regards to the intense fast bowling of the windies, the players all said it was just part of the game and they took it in their stride (or not) I was working on a pig farm just outside Bramley in those days   
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Post by: andyoxon on August 09, 2014, 06:27:53 pm
 :thumbsup:  result.

Finding Boycott a tad irritating on TMS atm; probably just how he kept repeating ad nauseum how poor/'brain scrambled', 'I couldn't say what I think of their play'/ 'pub team on 2 pints can play better'...the Indian side is.  Bordeing on disrespectful IMO, but also the England players have actually done pretty well.
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Post by: interzen on August 09, 2014, 07:00:59 pm
I don't bloody believe it ... go downstairs to cook my dinner, come back up (with aforementioned dinner) and it's bloody well finished.

Mind you, it was 66-6 when I went downstairs ...
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 09, 2014, 07:58:35 pm
Boycott has always been irritating. Not just a tad - overwhelmingly so.
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Post by: ferret on August 09, 2014, 08:46:07 pm
yep he is irritating but he does talk some sense and he doesn't worry about upsetting players, if they play badly he will say so unlike other commentators who pander to the players which I find even more irritating.
Either way didn't the beaded wonder play well again certainly looks like he'll be a regular for a while at least :)
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Post by: bobb on August 16, 2014, 03:02:15 pm
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times....
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Post by: interzen on August 16, 2014, 03:14:12 pm
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times....
He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test, although his efforts were somewhat outshone by those of Messrs. Ballance and Bell on that particular occasion.

This one is starting to look like another curb-stomp victory for England - India are playing like they don't really care any more.
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Post by: bobb on August 16, 2014, 03:17:20 pm
He's been on a bit of a roll - he was unlucky not to get a ton in the Third Test

Blimey! That must have passed me by - I'm sure I watched the highlights! Clearly not paying enough attention - I was thinking Cook hadn't scored more than about 23 for what seems like years...
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Post by: mattc on August 16, 2014, 06:03:34 pm
I see Cook has finally scored a few runs. Not seen any of it, but from what I've read, he was dropped about eight hundred times.
Of course 800 is well short of the Test record (1156, CB Smith in 1807 ),
But he is the youngest player to exceed 5000 in a season.
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Post by: interzen on August 16, 2014, 07:16:40 pm
So, overnight declaration or wait until Root gets his ton and then declare?

The lead is 240 or thereabouts - given India's performance with the bat I reckon this is plenty. Can't see there being much need for an evening session tomorrow ...
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 16, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
It's the last test and they have the series in the bag. Do they really need to wrap this up inside 3 days? Or would they rather get some batting practice in? It would be a bit embarrassing if they declared and then India batted like - well, India.

I have a strong recollection of a match against India at the Oval when Brearley was captain in which England, batting third, were about 300 ahead with a couple of days to go. The pundits, most especially Trueman, were incensed that Brearley chose to bat on until the lead was well over 400. When India batted Sunil Gavaskar scored 220-odd and Vengsarkar scored over 100. At the start of the final over all four results were still possible, which just goes to show that Brearley was a considerably better judge of the situation, wicket and opponents than pretty well anyone else. The game ended as a draw, but it was possibly the most intensely exciting game of cricket I have watched, even including the incredible tests of 1981.
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Post by: interzen on August 16, 2014, 07:51:06 pm
Good points, all of them.

I think it's fair to say that India are currently a team in transition, rather like the Australians were after the retirements of Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist et.al. - with the possible exception of Dhoni, who I think is starting to buckle under the burden of captaincy, the Indians are lacking players of the calibre of the Vengsarkars and Gavaskrars of this world. You can't replace people like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman etc.etc. just like that - it takes time. Not so very long ago, England were in the same position.

Someone on TMS, it might have been Michael Vaughan (several beers have completely muller'd my memory so I'm not sure), suggested that India really need a true all-rounder like Kapil Dev but, quite frankly, I can't see any contenders at the moment. Even my Indian co-workers, several of whom are utterly cricket mad, are surprised and shocked at how quickly they've capitulated.

Admittedly, if I were in Cook's position I think I'd be somewhat torn: on the one hand, give the paying punters their money's worth and simply bat India out of the game (which, in turn, could lead to even more one-sided cricket which is no fun to watch) whilst on the other just try and get it wrapped up. I think it's a pretty tough call.

On the other hand, I can't help feeling that Sir Geoffrey might be right - irrespective of what happens, we're probably not going to see any cricket on Monday ...
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Post by: Peter on August 16, 2014, 08:40:11 pm
Bat on.  If we lose. India square the series.  There's no such thing as a result in the bag in Test cricket, especially at the end of the second day - and especially if it involves England.
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Post by: interzen on August 16, 2014, 08:47:26 pm
Bat on.  If we lose. India square the series.  There's no such thing as a result in the bag in Test cricket, especially at the end of the second day - and especially if it involves England.
Lo, the voice of reason ;)
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Post by: mcshroom on August 16, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
There's three days left yet. Bat on till at least lunch and possibly tea tomorrow and there's still two days to get the win.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 17, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
India 78 for 8.   Aready done, and nearly finished.
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Post by: spesh on August 17, 2014, 04:07:04 pm
Quote from: today's live text coverage
It shows how far India have slipped that when the television shows a procession of Indian wickets, one after another, that you have to concentrate hard to work out whether you're watching highlights or live footage...

Edit: Do you'll think India will make it to the tea interval in half an hour's time?
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Post by: andyoxon on August 17, 2014, 04:23:27 pm
 :thumbsup:  Now that's some winning margin.
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Post by: Basil on August 17, 2014, 04:31:45 pm
I would not have been happy if I'd forked out the sort of money they charge for a ticket only to be presented with that pile of crap.
How could India possibly be that bad?  What's going on? 
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Post by: interzen on August 17, 2014, 05:04:27 pm
I would not have been happy if I'd forked out the sort of money they charge for a ticket only to be presented with that pile of crap.
How could India possibly be that bad?  What's going on?
The IPL.
Why waste your time playing for your country in 5-day matches when you can smack a ball around for 20 overs and get paid very handsomely for it?
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Post by: ferret on August 17, 2014, 09:25:05 pm
hang on, don't get carried away, don't forget we've got the ODI's to get through yet and as interzen says the Indians do well at that style of game
also how would we have performed against a stronger side ? I don't think we're out of the woods yet but we do have a lot of promising younger players coming through,
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Post by: ferret on August 25, 2014, 11:13:41 am
phew it's raining, could save some embarrassment??
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Post by: ferret on August 27, 2014, 10:21:03 am
Ironic isn't it, the ODI comes to Cardiff and it isn't raining (yet)
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 12, 2014, 12:39:44 pm
ICBA to look back through 35 pages to see if the County Championship has had a mention before, but congratulations to Yorkshire for winning it.
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Post by: Peter on September 17, 2014, 04:19:40 pm
Oh boy!  Chris Rushworth takes 9 for and 6 for as Durham beat Northants in a day and a half.  Northants all out twice in 3 and a half hours.  Presumably no complaints about the pitch as Durham made nearly 400 in a day.  If it hadn't been for a lot of draws (bad weather?) I think Durham might easily have beaten Yorkshire to the title, though in fairness Yorkshire won the Duham match quite easily (I think).
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Post by: ferret on October 06, 2014, 11:36:46 am
Oh Boy!! looks like it's all going to kick off now :facepalm:
 Think I'll be buying KP's book even though I didn't like him, I'm prepared to have my opinion changed ;)
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Post by: Andrew on October 06, 2014, 01:47:59 pm
Strange how KP's fallen out with so many people. I wonder why that might be ;)
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Post by: ferret on October 06, 2014, 07:27:52 pm
yes it's up very well, the people who can confirm his accusations are mostly still England players or have close connections so won't want to rock the boat bit of a catch twenty two. he's doing an interview on Radio 5 tomorrow not sure what time tho
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Post by: ferret on October 07, 2014, 06:02:16 pm
well he didn't reveal much in that interview but he is sticking by what he's said. Naturally the players that have replied are denying every thing except
one, who I can't remember his name but he's from Bradford and although he didn't actually confirm what KP has said he did say that there was a lot of pressure put on new players to the squad?   
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Post by: bobb on October 09, 2014, 09:38:03 pm
I always enjoyed watching Pietersen play (and would have liked to see him play for longer), but I shan't be reading his book. I just can't be doing with these childish spats. "But mummy! He said this! He said that! He called me a cunt!" You can pretty much guarantee the book will contain little in the way of truth. And to be fair, all the stuff people like Swann have been saying in the press recently is probably all bollocks too. They should either sort it out amongst themselves or just shut the fuck up. Twats.
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Post by: Pingu on October 09, 2014, 10:42:48 pm
Father Ted's Golden Cleric speech.
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Post by: ferret on October 10, 2014, 10:57:00 am
good point bobb, I must admit that as it rolls on it is becoming tedious and of course no one is going to stand up and say "yeah it was me" :)

aarr, yes the award for the lingerie incident ;)
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Post by: ferret on November 10, 2014, 09:24:59 am
as this seems to be "the" cricket thread I noticed this earlier today,
Cricket commentator Richie Benaud treated for skin cancer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-29982914

hope he recovers quickly, used to love listening to his commentary when he was on the beeb.
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Post by: Peter on November 10, 2014, 10:02:25 am
Yes, get well soon.  A favourite commentator - my favourite after John Arlott.
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Post by: ferret on November 20, 2014, 07:28:18 pm
has anybody heard how Chris Broad is doing after his knee operation, and don't forget chaps England start playing tomorrow, it's the only time I regret not having sky, just have to pop round my mums for a cuppa.
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Post by: Peter on November 21, 2014, 07:12:12 pm
Don't know about the angry boy, I'm afraid, but so far, so good for the team.
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Post by: ferret on November 25, 2014, 08:32:52 am
Phil Hughes ozzy batsman is in a critical condition in hospital after being hit on the head/helmet,

and of course I meant Stuart Broad in my last post ::-), at least I can remember his dad playing  I suppose thats a good thing ??
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Post by: ferret on November 25, 2014, 08:43:06 am
apparently Mr Broad is doing fine after his knee op, he's been working on fitness levels for the last couple of weeks and is off to South Africa in December with the intention of making up the Lions team
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Post by: Wowbagger on November 25, 2014, 10:51:01 am
I just started a thread about Phil Hughes before looking in here. Moderators, please decide which is the most appropriate place. TBH I think it deserves a thread of its own.

<mod> Relevant posts moved to it

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=86570.0
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Post by: Jaded on December 19, 2014, 04:56:13 pm
So Alistair Cook is removed as the One Day captain and replaced with Morgan.

Not sure that's going to make a lot of difference.
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Post by: Basil on December 19, 2014, 05:26:27 pm
Well, I suppose it will make room for an opener who can stick around for more than a couple of overs and hopefully knock up a few runs.
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Post by: ferret on December 19, 2014, 05:36:20 pm
not sure how he'll cope standing in the field twiddling his thumbs, but at least he can concentrate on his Test batting hopefully we'll see a big improvement,
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Post by: Basil on December 19, 2014, 05:47:36 pm
Oh, of course. He's still in the team.  Silly me.  Scratch my response.
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Post by: ferret on December 19, 2014, 06:45:42 pm
I'm only assuming he is, Basil, I haven't read any reports yet :)
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Post by: andrew_s on December 20, 2014, 06:36:14 pm
not in the team (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30559872)
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Post by: ferret on December 20, 2014, 06:59:00 pm
yeah I heard that on the radio as I was on my way to Swansea this morning!
I suppose he's had all summer to make an improvement and unfortunately for him he's failed more times than he's succeeded, maybe a complete break will do him good. I doubt we will see him captain the side again either Test or ODI unless he has a mega turn round in form.
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Post by: Jaded on February 14, 2015, 10:30:05 am
New Zealand had a good result...

Plus an exceptional start to their innings.

When can we expect England to start playing?
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Post by: mattc on February 14, 2015, 12:42:41 pm
Oh dear. Never mind.

Meanwhile,  it seems the Beeb's decision to use KP as a pundit has not been welcomed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/5live/entries/d29af728-696b-4b6b-bf61-f3c8bd9446b9

(I would agree,  but havent yet heard him )
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Post by: Deano on February 14, 2015, 10:58:43 pm
That Aaron Finch is a bit of an animal.
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Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2015, 07:09:28 am
Up at 5:50am for another reason.

It seems I missed the cricket. It only started at 1:00. It wasn't a 20:20 match  :-\
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Post by: ferret on February 23, 2015, 12:27:38 pm
so england find a team they can beat at last!! no offence but ffs scotland!! we really would be in the shit if we had lost, but look at the figures after the great and wise bearded one had gone, the rest only managed 130, nothing to be proud of, and scotland managed to last 40 overs doesn't say much about our bowling. at this rate peterson will be back in the squad, after all he's got his feet under the table with the beeb,
IMHO bloody dismal, if we get any further in this tournament it's fixed..
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Post by: Mr Larrington on February 23, 2015, 01:09:18 pm
but look at the figures after the great and wise bearded one had gone

Quite.  It's been more than six years since Bill Frindall died.
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Post by: trekker12 on February 24, 2015, 12:53:11 pm

IMHO bloody dismal, if we get any further in this tournament it's fixed..

Unfortunately with two pools of seven teams and the top four from each getting to the quarter final it's got to go really really horribly wrong for England to not get to the QFs as the reality is that Bangladesh, Scotland and Afghanistan are really not likely to progress.

So, it might as well be fixed and the three minnows in each pool not bother turning up. Having said that the fourth place in pool B is likely to be a closer contest.

England getting to the QFs would unfortunately consider that progress. Not getting through might really make them take a good look at themselves.
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Post by: mattc on February 24, 2015, 01:02:21 pm

So, it might as well be fixed and the three minnows in each pool not bother turning up. Having said that the fourth place in pool B is likely to be a closer contest.
I think that's a bit harsh on the organisers. The minnows have to beat a "non-minnow" to progress - same as in most formats! (If they had a "minnows-only" group, then winning it would be meaningless).

It reflects reality - England are better than the minnows, but are currently being outplayed by the Big Fish. (if they lose to a minnow, you can quote me on this :) )
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Post by: Jaded on February 26, 2015, 05:48:59 am
Two minnows in a knife edge match just now.

Come on Scotland!
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Post by: Jaded on February 26, 2015, 06:07:25 am
Oh well.
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Post by: Peter on February 26, 2015, 08:24:39 am
Not looking good for England, another minnow.
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Post by: Pingu on February 26, 2015, 01:08:01 pm
Brown trout?
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Post by: andyoxon on March 01, 2015, 08:28:05 am
No way.  Joe Root with a ton - decent total.  How did England manage to lose that by 9 wickets?
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Post by: ferret on March 01, 2015, 12:13:43 pm
well I think Scotland must be feeling really fed up being the only team to have lost to England so far, I imagine Bangladesh and Afghanistan can't wait to get stuck in to England I wonder what the odds are on England losing their next two games, and how long before petersons back in the one day squad ??
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Post by: ferret on March 01, 2015, 12:51:36 pm
I'll answer my question, Paddy Power are giving odds of 200/1 for England coming bottom of their group but only 14/1 to come 6th, going by that they expect them to lose one more game ? I might put a fiver on the 200/1 and even a fiver at 14/1 would be nice ;)
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Post by: ferret on March 08, 2015, 11:23:27 pm
Graeme Swann talks bollocks, that's all,
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Post by: Jaded on March 09, 2015, 11:25:22 am
A load of sixes from Broad and we'll be fine.
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Post by: Jaded on March 09, 2015, 11:42:48 am
Now England and Wales fans can enjoy the World Cup.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on March 09, 2015, 12:38:39 pm
Wot a  shocking sho by m.c.c most deplorable a lot of rabits ect. ect.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8713/16576647880_e12c53af2d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rfPDTN)
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Post by: ferret on March 09, 2015, 01:05:20 pm
told you so, bugger I knew I should of put that bet on, one thing you can guarantee about england cricket, when it's bad it's bloody dire, thank god I'm half Irish, 
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Post by: Peter on March 09, 2015, 08:59:37 pm
So is Ed Joyce; the other half's English - and Eoin Morgan.....?
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Post by: Mr Larrington on March 09, 2015, 09:22:31 pm
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8699/16763635972_e8623784d0_o.png) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/16763635972/)
eion morgan shos how to pla criket for england (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/16763635972/)
by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/people/mr_larrington/), on Flickr
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Post by: ferret on March 13, 2015, 01:03:19 pm
whoop de doo we beat Afghanistan, I bet the england players are really proud of that one, and will take away the positives learnt from that match, or some such BS.   
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on March 13, 2015, 02:33:40 pm
What infuriates me (the results do not, as they are only to be expected, on average, from a country where extended practice is limited by our having the worst cricketing conditions of all the test teams - by miles) is the media speak perpetrated by the captain Eoin Morgan, surely the only batsman in history to have a negative batting average.  He has "no regrets" over England's performance.  No regrets?  Some of the greatest exponents of our language are and were Irish.  Morgan doesn't even understand the basics, of language or cricket.  I suspect he would do well to consult Molesworth's dicker before talking to the press again - after his removal from his post.  Silly boy.
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Post by: ferret on March 14, 2015, 06:10:03 pm
so the wheels are already in motion for Pietersen's return to the england team, his IPL team coach has ok'd his release from the Sunrisers Hyderabad and surrey are one of the counties interested in signing him up, I wonder what the odds are on him making the squad for the next ashes series, despite not liking the bloke he can at least get runs even if somewhat unpredictably. whats next another recall for Gatting??
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Post by: Steve GT on March 18, 2015, 10:26:13 am
One monkey comprehensively removed from back. :smug:
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Post by: ferret on March 19, 2015, 07:12:40 pm
well things are warming up now, a couple of days ago James Whitaker, england team selector announces that dear old KP is not part of the england set up, now today according to BBC Cricket, Colin Graves soon to be chairman of ECB has spoken to or is about to speak to KP  would this be to tell him to sod orf or tell him what is expected of him to get his feet back under the table ??
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Post by: Jaded on March 24, 2015, 10:00:34 am
Just watched the last fifteen overs of the SA NZ semifinal. Nail biting!
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Post by: Peter on March 24, 2015, 10:22:00 am
The monkey returns!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on April 17, 2015, 07:39:31 pm
Four wickets to get.

Not looking likely at the moment...
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Post by: hatler on April 17, 2015, 07:49:29 pm
Yup. They're making heavy weather of it.
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Post by: Peter on April 17, 2015, 10:57:07 pm
Never mind!  Well done, West Indies.  That's proper Test cricket!
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Post by: tonyh on April 18, 2015, 07:26:08 am
Never mind!  Well done, West Indies.  That's proper Test cricket!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on April 18, 2015, 11:24:28 am
I see Jimmy Anderson has broken Botham's England wicket-taking record. Botham's record was over 102 tests and 15 years, Anderson's 100 tests in 12 years. Perhaps Anderson's greatest achievement is remaining uninjured for that time. Botham was almost 37 when he played his last test. Anderson is 32.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on April 18, 2015, 05:24:19 pm
I don't think Ian Botham had the benefit of playing Bangladesh - and he also got a few run, though to be fair, Jimmy Anderson is very difficult to dislodge at 11.  Botham is a colossal figure in English cricket but Anderson out-cools him by a factor of warp.  Both have been great for the game.
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Post by: Salvatore on April 18, 2015, 06:10:46 pm
Never mind his wickets - that's a parochial English record.  Anderson needs only another 31 test runs to become the player to take the longest time to reach 1000 runs in test cricket. Ever.  From any country.
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Post by: Wowbagger on April 18, 2015, 06:31:12 pm
That really is a record worth Holding.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on April 18, 2015, 06:37:42 pm
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah.  Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:
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Post by: Wowbagger on April 18, 2015, 06:40:28 pm
I think the greatest Headingley innings I have seen was Gooch carrying his bat to beat the West Indies in 199-something.
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Post by: Peter on April 18, 2015, 06:45:55 pm
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah.  Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:

Certainly agree with you.
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Post by: bobb on April 24, 2015, 07:20:22 pm
Botham blah blah blah Headingley blah rekindles Ashes blah walks on blah.  Personally I think Bob Wilis' 8-43 had quite a lot to do with it :demon:

In the Australian 1st innings, Willis took no wickets. Botham took 6. There's also Botham's 50 in England's 1st innings and 150 (almost) in the 2nd. I'd say he had quite a lot to do with it!
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Post by: Peter on April 24, 2015, 09:36:45 pm
Certainly agree with that, too!
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Post by: Jaded on April 25, 2015, 12:22:00 am
It's a draw.
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Post by: mattc on April 25, 2015, 06:18:36 pm
It's a draw.
Wish I'd posted earlier,  but care to give me odds on that?!?

(they've got about 59 overs to score 143 runs. )
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on April 25, 2015, 06:33:33 pm
Never mind his wickets - that's a parochial English record.  Anderson needs only another 31 test runs to become the player to take the longest time to reach 1000 runs in test cricket. Ever.  From any country.
Statt-ooh! Statt-oooh!  /fantasyfootballleague

I like that.

Another one that has come-up is Joe Root's running - has anyone else been part of 3 runouts in an innings?
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Post by: bobb on April 25, 2015, 09:35:48 pm
Hooray!  :D
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Post by: Jaded on April 25, 2015, 11:14:44 pm
It's a draw.

Unless they win.

I was out doing football, so missed this, as bobbbbbbb says, Hooray!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on May 25, 2015, 08:09:08 pm
Watched the final session on the telly.  (At a mate's BBQ)
So, there's me opining "Why the hell have they got a third man?  Runs are not important.  Put in a second gulley etc etc"

Ah.
 :-[
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Post by: Pancho on May 25, 2015, 08:41:08 pm
I was at Lord's on Saturday and I certainly didn't feel optimistic when I headed home.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on May 25, 2015, 08:56:18 pm
A friend was there to see 26 for  4 on the first day.

We sat watching the TV this afternoon with beers.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: andyoxon on May 27, 2015, 11:02:13 am
Watched the last three days highlights yesterday (without knowing the result)...  Boys done good; nice to see Cook getting back on some form.  Congrats to Ben Stokes for the fastest ever test 100 at Lords!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 30, 2015, 01:27:42 pm
It seems that Cook is set to become England's most prolific test run scorer. He is only 30 and his career spans only 10 years, compared to Gooch's 21. Gooch is the current record holder, taking 118 tests. Cook is playing his 114th.
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Post by: Jaded on May 30, 2015, 02:18:33 pm
And he has reached it.

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Post by: Jaded on May 31, 2015, 11:59:04 am
Looks like we missed the alarm call this morning.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 02, 2015, 03:40:55 pm
Not looking so good from England's point of view.

Will Anderson collect the 6 runs he needs for his 1000, or will he run out of partners?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 02, 2015, 05:07:58 pm
https://twitter.com/willatkins92/status/605762295268962304

Congratulations Cook and Anderson, who now have over 10,000 test runs between them.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 02, 2015, 05:52:55 pm
It's been a very exciting Test Match, though that doesn't necessarily make either team particularly good.  And Root saying we can win this was just asking to get a duck.  What worries me is that I can't see Australia losing a single wicket in the Ashes series, not if we bowl the way we did on the second morning.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 09, 2015, 09:19:13 pm
Well, I certainly have to eat humble pie after my earlier assessment of Eoin Morgan's form.  Sorry Rashid wasn't man of the match, though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 09, 2015, 09:41:46 pm
It was rather good. Quite good batting and a 13 run collapse from the Kiwis.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 09, 2015, 09:47:40 pm
Yes.  As the woman said, "Rejoice!"  (But don't hold your breath!)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 14, 2015, 02:10:13 pm
I see England have a young Willey playing for them. I checked, just to make sure, and he is the son of the old one.

In other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4iF_Si_2E

Edit: I didn't know that poor Graham Dilley died aged 52 in 2011.
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Post by: bobb on June 14, 2015, 09:20:06 pm

In other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4iF_Si_2E


TISM - Lillee Caught Dilley Bowled Milli Vanilli  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InycO9GoI1s)

I'm sure you're familiar with the above song, Wow  :P
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Post by: andyoxon on June 18, 2015, 10:15:54 pm
Pretty good - 4th highest ODI run chase eva.    :)
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Post by: Jaded on June 18, 2015, 10:25:05 pm
Yes. Was good to see the openers doing a 20:20 rather than the traditional Test for the first ten or so overs.

I guess they learnt from the DL loss the other day.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 19, 2015, 12:24:40 am
It's really exciting stuff and just what we needed.  It has rejuvenated the format.  It's made much more entertaining by the fact that, impressive as the batting is, neither side has a genuinely good bowler at the moment.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 21, 2015, 12:56:58 am
Well, what a series!  I stand by what I said above and I thought Morgan had blown it but what a great effort from Bairstow!
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Post by: pcolbeck on June 30, 2015, 08:55:29 am
Blimey what a 7th wicket partnership, 366 before Yorkshire declared.
Don't think Durham have a way back from this one.
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Post by: Peter on June 30, 2015, 10:09:37 am
An excellent partnership - which they may well come to regret prolonging.  A great match for the spectators, who have been deprived of Stokes, Wood and Root.  Wood, of course, has been too busy thinking up stupid remarks to rile the Australians.
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Post by: Peter on July 01, 2015, 04:28:25 pm
An excellent partnership - which they may well come to regret prolonging.  A great match for the spectators, who have been deprived of Stokes, Wood and Root.  Wood, of course, has been too busy thinking up stupid remarks to rile the Australians.

Or not, as the case may be!  A superb win, Pat, and against the second-best team in the division.  I don't know how long Bresnan and Sidebottom can go on but there are the makings there of a team as strong as that of the Illingworth era.  What a pity that the exigiencies of modern cricket mean that the local crowds almost never see a team at full strength, these days.  Put Lyth and Root back in your XI and it would seem pretty-much unbeatable.  Well done!  Don't let it happen again.
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Post by: trekker12 on July 08, 2015, 12:42:05 pm
Oh dear.............
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 08, 2015, 12:59:30 pm
It's a tricky wicket and there have been showers

Root keeping our heads above water.

Now, what shall we have for lunch?
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Post by: Jaded on July 08, 2015, 02:28:19 pm
It's settled down a.bit now.
Lyons weird run up to marvel over.
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Post by: pcolbeck on July 08, 2015, 03:58:32 pm
Warwickshire 217 for 8 in their second innings, Yorkshire miles ahead. Please God no rain
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Post by: pcolbeck on July 08, 2015, 04:40:37 pm
246 for 9 now. Come on one more wicket to go !
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 08, 2015, 06:18:12 pm
Mitchell Johnson has just been mercilessly sledged by the crowd.

Much fun.
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Post by: Deano on July 08, 2015, 07:49:48 pm
Good day out, Jaded?
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Post by: Jaded on July 08, 2015, 08:10:48 pm
Yes.  :)

A day out with Plug occasionally otp.

I'm back tomorrow - I've never been to a whole test before so I treated myself and have a different friend or family member coming each day.

It beats going on hols!
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Post by: Jaded on July 08, 2015, 10:54:10 pm
Photos here

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58889.msg1888305#msg1888305
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 08, 2015, 10:57:11 pm
Excellent pics. Weren't you at the last Ashes test in Cardiff? Hopefully there's an equally exciting finale, and a better result.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 09, 2015, 07:01:54 am
Yes, we were there on the last day. fingers crossed!

OK - just putting sun cream on... see you all later!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 09, 2015, 02:13:57 pm
Ouch!

Cook just caught a slip catch in the nuts.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 09, 2015, 05:52:57 pm
Apparently Mitchell Johnson's worst test bowling figures...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 09, 2015, 07:16:43 pm
He got one of the loudest cheers of the day when he passed 100 runs  ;D
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Post by: Jaded on July 09, 2015, 10:15:20 pm
A few photos from today. I only had the little camera with me.


Atherton asks Gower a deep question.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090176.jpg)

England's new goalkeeper warms up
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090179.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_7187.jpg)

Chilling with a cup of Yorkshire Tea. Plus my friend won a years supply of tea in the Tea-time Bingo!
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090183.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090185.jpg)

The savoury hat next to me. That isn't sweat.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_7188.jpg)
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Post by: tonyh on July 10, 2015, 09:55:38 am
Thanks Jaded - you're giving us excellent angles on the match!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 10, 2015, 11:26:54 am
Ooh, couple of quick wickets there.
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Post by: pcolbeck on July 10, 2015, 01:18:57 pm
Moeen Ali possessor of the finest beard in English cricket !

And a rather good off break spin as well . Lovely reflex catch from his own delivery yesterday.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7090179.jpg)
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Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2015, 01:25:46 pm
Great start to the day had the edge taken off it by Cook's dismissal.

Jings it is hot here

We r just under the Sky wide camera, above some Aussies. We e got a load of '3' cards to wave when there is a 3 scored. Someone brought loads along.  Cook got a three in the first over.  ;D
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Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2015, 01:29:02 pm
Had. ChNce to get my ticket signed by Beefy. He didn't have a pen, though  ;D
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Post by: andyoxon on July 10, 2015, 03:55:41 pm
Good photos. 

C'mon Root and Bell!  Sounds like a pub...
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Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2015, 06:23:04 pm
Mitchell! Mitchell!

Some impressive sledging from the crowd.
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Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2015, 09:15:17 pm
An interesting day - set up for any result possible...

I think we gave away too many cheap wickets this evening and should really be batting for about two hours in the morning.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7220.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7225.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7247.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7262.jpg)

Lyth edging to a spectacular Clark catch
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7303.jpg)

Missing in the field
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7312.jpg)

Swanee doing a passable rendition of 'Sit Down'.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7346.jpg)

A Safety Steward looks after some plastic cups
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7394.jpg)

A pom-pom girl celebrating a boundary
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_7418.jpg)

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on July 10, 2015, 11:27:44 pm
You've picked a terrific game to be at.
Working again tomorrow, but that's made infinitely more tolerable with TMS as the audio back drop.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 10, 2015, 11:32:17 pm
I was a bit concerned that England were all out so soon, but I can't see Australia chasing that total. And it looks like there's little chance of play on Sunday, so smashing it about may prove to be the right decision.

I'm crap at punditry - either way, tomorrow looks like a great day to be at the test.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2015, 12:40:13 am
I'm not very good at punditry, either (although Newcastle WILL struggle to avoid relegation this season), but this Australian team has the batsmen to chase this total - and Boycott says it's impossible, which must increase the odds in the Aussies' favour.  As Deano says, it might depend on the weather.  I don't agree with the reports that say England are "in command".  They scored quickly but were all out in about 5 or 6  hours.  It's been a great game.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 09:55:33 am
Things are warming up nicely. The Aussie team bus has arrived.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 10:26:41 am
Michael Holding has just told us there's nothing wrong with this wicket and he'd be happy to bat on it.
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Post by: Basil on July 11, 2015, 10:29:46 am
Ah, but would he be happy to bowl on it?
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 10:59:18 am
Astonishing seats, 6 rows from pitch, right under the end of the second Stowford Press  advert board

No one behind us to pour beer down the steps  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 01:47:16 pm
Lunch sandwiched by two great wickets
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 02:10:05 pm
306 now looks like a huge number of runs to get ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 11, 2015, 02:30:41 pm
Radar shows some big rain which I think I'm going to just catch the southern edge of.
It's current trajectory suggests it should miss Cardiff.  Passing to the north.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 02:35:49 pm
What a catch by Cook!!
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 02:44:01 pm
Standing ovation from the Barny Army for Moeen  :thumbsup:
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Post by: spesh on July 11, 2015, 02:47:30 pm
Over by Christmas tea?  :demon:
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Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2015, 05:06:45 pm
Yes.   :thumbsup:  Nice one England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2015, 05:32:08 pm
I'm still no good at punditry.
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2015, 08:05:47 pm
Nor me - was far too worried!

Here are a few photos. Sorry, it was an exciting and busy day!

Mitchell Johnson gets off the team bus with some pizzas.
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7442.jpg)

Aussie team talk
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7452.jpg)

Shane Watson "is the exit this way?"
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7470.jpg)

England team talk
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7479.jpg)

Warm up
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7502.jpg)

Real punditry
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7514.jpg)

Slip practice
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7529.jpg)

Owzat!?! (There were quite a few of these)
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7581.jpg)

Celebration
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7584.jpg)

The loneliness of the long distance fielder
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7591.jpg)

Celebration (there were quite a few of these)
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7596.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7602.jpg)

"What you reckon, mate, Review?"
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7630.jpg)

"Nah, walk".
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7634.jpg)

Praying for rain
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7667.jpg)

Nearly ouch
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7702.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7723.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7746.jpg)

Hoists a high one
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7757.jpg)

That becomes the 10th wicket
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/ashes_4/DSC_7758.jpg)

:D
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 11, 2015, 10:04:37 pm
It's a funny old game, Davit.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 11, 2015, 10:42:01 pm
Just catching the highlights. Shane Watson's expression when given out lbw (again) is hilarious. And he reviewed it again.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2015, 11:19:08 pm
Just catching the highlights. Shane Watson's expression when given out lbw (again) is hilarious. And he reviewed it again.

One didn't really need to be very good at lip reading...

More good pics...  Some great catches by England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2015, 11:22:24 pm
Thanks for all your efforts JD, it must have been marvellous to be there.

Actually, when it comes to punditry, we are as good as Glenn McGrath (though I was a slightly better bowler, obviously).
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Post by: Vince on July 12, 2015, 10:11:03 pm
Every time I've seen a member of the England team being interviewed, I can't suppress the thought that they have just popped in from the car park after a quick session rounding up abandoned shopping trolleys.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 16, 2015, 09:06:13 pm
It's all gone quiet in here...

Jaded, any chance of you getting yourself to Lords as the forum lucky charm?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 17, 2015, 10:09:20 am
I've been berating myself for poor punditry.  Perhaps i've been a little harsh on myself - here's one I made earlier:-


It's been a very exciting Test Match, though that doesn't necessarily make either team particularly good.  And Root saying we can win this was just asking to get a duck.  What worries me is that I can't see Australia losing a single wicket in the Ashes series, not if we bowl the way we did on the second morning.

That was after the New Zealand series; perhaps I just peaked too early!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 17, 2015, 10:55:04 am
It's all gone quiet in here...

Jaded, any chance of you getting yourself to Lords as the forum lucky charm?

Hmm, that's a thought!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 17, 2015, 12:01:34 pm
Aus for 600-650, then try and get England to follow on?
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Post by: mattc on July 18, 2015, 09:19:46 am
The name of Graeme(?) Swann's band tickles me:
Dr Comfort and the Lurid Revelations

Theyre almost certainly rubbish,  but a great name.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 18, 2015, 10:38:48 pm
He sang well in Cardiff.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 19, 2015, 07:04:00 pm
eek... oh well 1:1
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Post by: rafletcher on July 22, 2015, 02:40:19 pm
Well done England Womens team though.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2015, 04:37:37 pm
Yes, indeed. Recovered well.

I have realised the  double header T20 that I am going to on 31st Aug features the last scheduled match of the Women's Ashes.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: rafletcher on July 23, 2015, 09:06:58 pm
Not so good today tho. One all..
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 29, 2015, 04:56:10 pm
Carnage today.

Anyone remember the Edgbaston test when the surface was so green that Curtly Ambrose's first ball pitched on a length and bounced over the keeper's head for four?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 29, 2015, 05:33:07 pm
Edgbaston Balsall Heath is a result ground for test matches.  Very rarely a fifth day unless rain demands it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 29, 2015, 06:31:29 pm
FFS. I didn't even realised it had started. Test matches should always start on Thursdays!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 29, 2015, 09:28:49 pm
I don't think we can blame the surface this time, well not yet, at least.  England bowled very well but had a lot of help from Aussies not getting their bats out of the way properly.  But the shot of the day (wicket-wise) has to be Adam Lyth playing at a ball that was probably a wide at the time he hit it.  I'm sorry for Cook: David Warner must have thought he'd died, when he suddenly found the ball between his elbows when he opened his eyes.  An extraordinary didmissal.  The Aussies are certainly rattled - sledging from the first ball or two.  That's really only appropriate when you are bowling well and none of England's wickets fell to a good ball.  But this game is fascinating and could easily run to a third or even fourth day....

I've been wrong before.
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Post by: Jaded on July 29, 2015, 10:20:55 pm
Carnage today.

Anyone remember the Edgbaston test when the surface was so green that Curtly Ambrose's first ball pitched on a length and bounced over the keeper's head for four?

I read this and thought 'Oh no!"

Wandered off to see the BBC sports pages...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 30, 2015, 03:31:19 pm
Sorry, Jaded!

It's still moving at a right old pace, Aus are in their second innings and flying along.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 30, 2015, 04:15:14 pm
4 down now! Need to get Warner out though...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on July 30, 2015, 05:26:51 pm
4 down now! Need to get Warner out though...

Warner's the sixth wicket down. ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 30, 2015, 11:21:30 pm
Hashtag of the day: #finnsforfinn

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FinnsForFinn?src=hash
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 31, 2015, 12:47:00 pm
So how many wickets will England lose chasing 120 odd?  :P

Edit: I reckon they will be successful, but lose 6 wickets in the process
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 31, 2015, 12:52:26 pm
Aye, sounds about right. Still, it'll be a twitchy innings!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 31, 2015, 12:54:20 pm
Does anyone else gain the impression that this could all go horribly wrong? Is Anderson fit to bat?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: De Sisti on July 31, 2015, 02:55:24 pm
121 to win? They'd better do it! I mean, if a T20 team can get that total in less than, errr, 20 overs, then surely
they can get 121 in 2 and a half days? :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: LEE on July 31, 2015, 05:54:53 pm
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.
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Post by: mattc on July 31, 2015, 07:46:27 pm
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.
I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!

(the pundits seem to be attributing these results mainly to bad performances by various players, rather than exceptional "execution" - as they say - by any player/team. Whatevs ... )
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 31, 2015, 08:17:47 pm
121 to win? They'd better do it! I mean, if a T20 team can get that total in less than, errr, 20 overs, then surely
they can get 121 in 2 and a half days? :-\
I still remember 1981. In fact, I'll never forget those test.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 31, 2015, 08:25:57 pm
Amazing series.  But I still wouldn't bet against Michael Clark getting a double hundred at Trent Bridge.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on July 31, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
I wonder whether the swing from England being brilliant to being awful (and vice-versa with the Aussies) will continue.
I hope so - it will mean a 3-2 home win, I believe!

(the pundits seem to be attributing these results mainly to bad performances by various players, rather than exceptional "execution" - as they say - by any player/team. Whatevs ... )

Batsmen playing bad shots is not always what it seems though. There's an awful lot of tactical cat and mouse in cricket that's not always obvious to the eye unless you're really into the game [which I'm not btw - can't watch it live now on terrestrial now anyway :( ]. Sure it may be a poor shot, but often a bowler will target a batsman in an area where he knows he might be a tad vulnerable, try and pin him down a bit, cause some frustration then bowl something that looks an average ball and the batsman's drawn into in an attempt to regress the balance get on top of the bowler, plays a poorly judged shot and it's all over. It's a sport that to some could easily have a kind of gentle, meek and mild image ['it's just not cricket'], but it's really, really intense out there when the heat is on - especially when you're trying to hit something that you can probably only just barely see coming at you in the first place.

And of course the game has changed, particularly Test Cricket - in many ways for the better, but it means that the concentration span to really build an innings is something batsman seem to find very difficult to do these days - probably because they're not called to do it anymore! So consequently you're going to get a a lot more seemingly 'positive' stoke playing going on - until the positive shot turns out to be a needless stupid shot. Especially when the balls is moving about nicely :)

Fascinating series though.
And really pleased for Steven Finn.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2015, 11:31:00 am
Very true!

(although I didnt say it was just the batsmen being blamed. )

Either way, it's been exciting stuff so far :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on August 01, 2015, 11:45:29 am
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side.  That's better than being crap I guess!

I don't know why but I'm more surprised by the Aussies being inconsistent. Maybe it's to do with them being away from home, or maybe a side in transition (some of them are getting on a bit!), bit whatever it is, they're not to their normal standard methinks. Not that I'm wanting to take anything away from England's good performances!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 01, 2015, 02:44:00 pm
What's especially surprising, to me at least, is that this is pretty much the team that beat England 5-0 a little over a year ago.  If England win the series, the two teams will be tied on 32-32.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 01, 2015, 04:32:13 pm
I don't know why but I'm more surprised by the Aussies being inconsistent.

What I can't quite get my head round is all this talk of the different pitches and how the Aussies haven't been able to play against Andersen and Broad on a pitch that offers plenty to the bowlers. That may be true, but that's hardly a new phenomenon is it? The Australian Test side has had generations of experience playing in English conditions, they know the terrain of the place, the ball has always swung over here, why is it any different this time? That can only be be down to the batsmen not having the quality to adapt to conditions they're not used to when needed. Also, I was reading somewhere that they've had very little adaption time on this tour prior to the test matches.

I must admit, after the Glamorgan Test I thought that Australia they might come back and even win the series 1-4. I put that down to the theory that Johnson actually played well in that game, he was unlucky not to get more wickets, Root, whose innings was the difference in terms of numbers, should have been caught, and England, despite winning, were bowled out twice by Australia. Obviously the Lords test saw me on track to winning a shed load, but now I'll have to revise that prediction somewhat! [I was close to paying a visit to the bookies, but didn't.]
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on August 01, 2015, 05:53:16 pm
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side.  That's better than being crap I guess!


WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2015, 07:02:57 pm
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side.  That's better than being crap I guess!


WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
... and play on the 5th day.

[top stat that,  BTW Sal]
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on August 01, 2015, 08:05:53 pm
I think I read somewhere yesterday (the beeb live coverage?) that England are now 'officially' the most inconsistent test side.  That's better than being crap I guess!


WLWLWLW in their last seven tests. First time ever, apparently. Not long ago there used be draws in test cricket.
... and play on the 5th day.

[top stat that,  BTW Sal]

I can't remember where I read it, probably @zaltzcricket. Who also came up with the stat that Warner's 77 was the lowest hiighest score in a test match with 8   50s.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 02, 2015, 01:39:25 pm
I think he stretched a bit for that one.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 06, 2015, 11:14:34 am
A reasonable opening over for England  :)

Edit: Second pretty good too!

Edit 2: And the third  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 06, 2015, 11:22:59 am
Blimey!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 06, 2015, 11:26:07 am
<Checks scoreboard>

 :o  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 06, 2015, 11:36:09 am
According to TMS, that is the earliest the fifth wicket has fallen in any test match ever.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 06, 2015, 11:59:35 am
Does anyone think the Aussies are going to survive until lunch? ;D
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Post by: Deano on August 06, 2015, 12:01:53 pm
 :o

I was in a meeting!

I miss the old days, when you could switch on the cricket, go out for a ride, come back and sit down and nowt much had changed.

And I can't get onto listen to TMS, dammit.
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Post by: spesh on August 06, 2015, 12:03:04 pm
Excerpt from an e-mail to the Telegraph's live coverage team (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/11784442/Ashes-2015-England-vs-Australia-fourth-Test-day-one-live.html#update-20150806-1153):

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Is it true that Clarke’s bat is due to be sponsored by Imodium, because it hasn’t seen an outbreak of runs for quite a while now?

Make that the new team sponsor?  :demon:
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Post by: andyoxon on August 06, 2015, 01:11:47 pm
Stuart Broad 8-15 in 9.3 overs...   :o   ;D

Just hope England doesn't follow suit with another collapse...   ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: LEE on August 06, 2015, 01:12:25 pm
WTF Australia ????

 ;D

I've seen them get better Rugby scores than that
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 06, 2015, 01:13:45 pm
Someone called Extras was top scorer in the Aus innings on 14...

"This is only the fourth time in Test history that a team has bowled first and been batting by lunch."  BBC
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 06, 2015, 01:39:46 pm
Apparantly England have bowled out Australia for 60 before - in 1888. And Australia went on to win!  :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 06, 2015, 02:35:38 pm
https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/629260282594877440 ;D
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Post by: Jaded on August 06, 2015, 02:36:54 pm
Crikey!
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Post by: Basil on August 06, 2015, 03:20:10 pm
https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/629260282594877440 ;D

 ;D
Brilliant!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: De Sisti on August 06, 2015, 03:24:35 pm
Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 06, 2015, 03:30:27 pm
:o

I was in a meeting!

I miss the old days, when you could switch on the cricket, go out for a ride, come back and sit down and nowt much had changed.

Vic Marks has just made the point on TMS, that had you walked into the ground at 3pm, looked at the score and seen it was 80-2, you could easily have thought that it was a tight game, batting on a pitch that's giving a bit too the bowlers, run rate a bit slow, but nothing extraordinary in that. Then somebody taps you on the shoulder and says, 'hey mate, this is the second innings of the game'.

Really bizzare.

Poor old Jim Maxwell, who I always like listening too, has just come on air, and boy he sounds very flat indeed.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 06, 2015, 03:31:46 pm
Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.

They could collapse for a 150. That's a useful 90 run lead!
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Post by: De Sisti on August 06, 2015, 03:58:33 pm
Mind you, England and batting collapses are close friends. Let's hope they're not re-acquainted for the rest of the series.

They could collapse for a 150. That's a useful 90 run lead!
Don't forget the second innings.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 06, 2015, 06:11:13 pm
RootRootRootRoot...  :thumbsup:

SMHerald "Australia came into the Trent Bridge Test needing to make history, as the first team in almost 80 years to overturn a 1:2 Ashes deficit. Within one session they made history for a contrasting reason: crumbling for 60 in what became the shortest first innings of a match in Test history."
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on August 06, 2015, 06:52:36 pm
We'll all wake up tomorrow to discover it was a dream. 

There is no other explanation.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 06, 2015, 06:58:05 pm
RootRootRootRoot...

Which is 'Strine for what the Aussies are undoubtedly saying in the dressing room after stumps. :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: caerau on August 06, 2015, 07:11:11 pm
I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display.  That I did watch and it was awesome.


Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.


Not that it's any less satisfying overall  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: mattc on August 06, 2015, 07:15:28 pm
RootRootRootRoot...  :thumbsup:

SMHerald "Australia came into the Trent Bridge Test needing to make history, as the first team in almost 80 years to overturn a 1:2 Ashes deficit. Within one session they made history for a contrasting reason: crumbling for 60 in what became the shortest first innings of a match in Test history."
:D

The other statoid (fromTMS) was that not since 2005 has one batsman scored double the total of the oppo TEAM

 (South Africa vs Zim I think - generally a much less close match than the Ashes).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Pancho on August 06, 2015, 07:19:50 pm
Popped out and did a bit of gardening and missed a whole bloody innings!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: De Sisti on August 06, 2015, 08:08:36 pm
Popped out and did a bit of gardening and missed a whole bloody innings!
:jurek:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 06, 2015, 10:17:48 pm
Now here's a good stat:

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Of the 114 balls bowled by England only eight were on the stumps. Would've done better if they left them all

https://twitter.com/plalor/status/629280819966775296

And this is lovely:

https://twitter.com/nottspolice/status/629240139340976128

I'm still catching up while I wait for Channel 5's highlights to start, and I don't understand why Australia dropped a bowler to replace him with a batsman.

I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display.  That I did watch and it was awesome.


Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.


Not that it's any less satisfying overall  ;D ;D ;D

That's probably the most exciting sporting performance I've ever seen (on telly). Didn't he tell the Saffers they were history?
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Post by: Peter on August 06, 2015, 10:33:27 pm
That's the one - and he said it before he started bowling....
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Post by: madcow on August 06, 2015, 11:06:15 pm
Looks like Lyth will be back at Headingly next week.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 07, 2015, 08:11:48 am
Some rich pickings on the Aussie sites...

Perth Now.  "BEFORE lunch, they’d been Broadsided; by stumps all but Rooted. Australian cricket has spiralled into crisis after arguably the darkest day in Ashes history." 


"Only twice in Test history has a team that bowled first in a Test emerged from day one with a bigger lead: South Africa with 286 against Zimbabwe in 2005 and England 233 against Australia in 1896."  SMH
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: caerau on August 07, 2015, 09:57:31 am

I missed actually watching it but from the press coverage it doesn't sound as cool as Devon Malcolm's demolishment of South Africa back in the 90s where it was ferocious bowling rather than crap batting that was on display.  That I did watch and it was awesome.


Shame Malcolm couldn't summon that ire up more often really.


Not that it's any less satisfying overall  ;D ;D ;D

That's probably the most exciting sporting performance I've ever seen (on telly). Didn't he tell the Saffers they were history?


Yeah as I recall he got hit on the head by a bouncer from one of the south African bowlers and was very clear about what was going to happen to them.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: LEE on August 07, 2015, 10:28:13 am
Don't forget we just saw a bowling performance from Broad that will be referenced by commentators for the rest of cricketing history.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on August 07, 2015, 10:39:09 am
Don't forget we just saw a bowling performance from Broad that will be referenced by commentators for the rest of cricketing history.

See also Bob Willis at Headingley in 1981, though somehow Botham always emerges with 99% of the credit for that particular match.

I am thinking of setting up Dial-A-Digger, which will employ Earls Court's population of former bar staff from Captain Cook's Mistake.  For a small fee the customer can ring them up and insult them ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: madcow on August 07, 2015, 10:56:26 am
Yep, there's never an Australian around when you need one to laugh at.
The last one we encountered was 3 weeks ago in Edinburgh. Not a bad bloke, he switched the allocation of hotel rooms around so that we could take our bikes into the room.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 07, 2015, 11:14:12 am
Perhaps worse is finding an Australian at the appropriate time, only to discover he has no interest in the Game.  Ben Goodall, bossman of Aussie recumbent builders Trisled, is one such.  As I discovered in the immediate aftermath of the 2005 series chiz.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: caerau on August 07, 2015, 11:15:33 am
*wonders if he should poke his Aussie family on Facebook with a stick*


;) :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 07, 2015, 12:43:32 pm
Australia require 132 to avoid the Follow-on.

Oh, hang on...!!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2015, 02:38:46 pm
Alternatively, Aus could knock up 550 by stumps tomorrow and then skittle England... :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2015, 03:45:50 pm
After 4 wickets have fallen for under 30 runs in about 20 minutes, I think they probably won't.

All over tonight? I don't remember a 2 day test match before.

Edit: apparently there was one in 2000 against the W. Indies. I must have blinked and missed it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 07, 2015, 03:54:07 pm
There have been 19 2 day test matches...

No idea if there were scheduled to be longer, but 4 of them have been this century.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 07, 2015, 06:37:04 pm
Doing well - shame the 2-dayer was missed. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2015, 07:51:08 pm
Possibly apocryphal, but I heard on the Toady Prog this am that there was a chap who bought tickets for all 5 days and ended up not going yesterday.
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Post by: Basil on August 07, 2015, 09:30:11 pm
Possibly apocryphal, but I heard on the Toady Prog this am that there was a chap who bought tickets for all 5 days and ended up not going yesterday.
I heard that too.  One of the producers.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 08, 2015, 11:40:34 am
Woohoo...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 08, 2015, 12:34:32 pm
Job done!

Michael Clarke was outstanding in his interview after the defeat. It's a great shame for him, but a great result for England.
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Post by: Deano on August 08, 2015, 10:45:40 pm
Broad made an interesting comment in his post-match interview, that he now judges his bowling performance not on wickets, but on how consistently he's bowled.

Seems fair enough - they're not going for the Hollywood balls, just trying to create pressure. This came through on the TMS commentary (less so on the highlights show), as Broad went wicketless early in the series, but was bowling well. It all happened for him on the first morning at Trentbridge.

My only disappointment of the day is that I can't find any video of Mark Wood riding his imaginary horse around the boundary. C5 didn't see fit to include it in the highlights (there was a lot of Mark Nicholas, Michael Slater, Michael Vaughan and Geoffrey Boycott, and I'd struggle to think of four more tedious cricket commentators - Boycs occasionally excepted).

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 08, 2015, 10:58:36 pm
Job done!

Michael Clarke was outstanding in his interview after the defeat. It's a great shame for him, but a great result for England.

He was - some of Michael Atherton's questions were a bit crass (the crowd were booing Athers at one point!), but he showed a lot of dignity. Great player on his day, he just seems to be cobbled by injuries.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 09, 2015, 09:42:52 am
Broad made an interesting comment in his post-match interview, that he now judges his bowling performance not on wickets, but on how consistently he's bowled.

Seems fair enough - they're not going for the Hollywood balls, just trying to create pressure. This came through on the TMS commentary (less so on the highlights show), as Broad went wicketless early in the series, but was bowling well. It all happened for him on the first morning at Trentbridge.

My only disappointment of the day is that I can't find any video of Mark Wood riding his imaginary horse around the boundary. C5 didn't see fit to include it in the highlights (there was a lot of Mark Nicholas, Michael Slater, Michael Vaughan and Geoffrey Boycott, and I'd struggle to think of four more tedious cricket commentators - Boycs occasionally excepted).

I agree about Broad's comment being interesting. I always thought Mike Hendrick was a much better bowler, for example, than Ian Botham. Always nagging and niggardly, batsmen could never score lots of runs off him and consequently they didn't usually try. Botham often came on as first change for either Willis or Hendrick and his bowling was usually much more wayward, but there was the occasional, or sometimes frequent, good delivery amongst the not-so-good. Towards the end of his career I thought Flintoff was a technically better bowler than Botham, but he didn't get the same wicket haul either.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 09, 2015, 01:27:05 pm
Has anybody got any ideas about what happened in the second test, where England were slaughtered?  It seems almost inexplicable now - though there is one test to go, of course.

A propos of Dean's comments, I agree about the summarisers:  most are a waste of space, Boycott is rude but usually correct.  I like Swann and think Jim Maxwell is a gentleman.  Andrew Samson, the statistitian, is astonishing.  Vaughan knows his stuff but keeps on with his silliness about "the cherry" and so on.  As for Blofeld and his Hazlecrack for Hazlewood, well, it's just embarrassing.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on August 09, 2015, 01:31:17 pm
Flat pitch suited the Aussies, and the massive score they made in the 1st innings got to England would be my suggestion.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 09, 2015, 03:57:33 pm
In the past week I have read an expression that I had never seen before: "flat-pitch bully". I think it's quite a good description of certain types of batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 09, 2015, 08:46:01 pm
Flat pitch suited the Aussie

It was a terrific series, lots of talking points and some magnificent performances and plenty of not so magnificent, but I have one lingering question that's been bugging me all the time I've been listening to TMS. So much has been made of the way that pitches can be prepared - flat/nothing in it for the bowlers or something with a bit more life that might offer something for the bowlers, and we've heard so much about Australia not being able to adapt to the swinging, reverse swinging, seaming ball, and how on a flat pitch [like Lords] they excel because conditions are more comparable to those down under?  But, I can never recall this being talked about quite so much in the past as it has been in this series. How many decades have Australia been coming to this country? They know the conditions, a lot of them have played here, there's a whole army of ex-players that can advise about what it's like playing over here, and they've nearly always put up a fighting performance. Look at 2005 - Simon Jones and Flintoff had the ball doing all kinds of stuff, and although Australia lost the series, it was hardly a push over.

So why is it that this team have appeared so ill-equipped to play the Dukes ball that has a tendency to swing and seam? Virtually all of the pitches have been good for batting, certainly not dangerous where the ball could ping up at any old angle, certainly good enough if you're prepared to stay in a bit, and not play stupid shots trying put the bowler away for 6. Athers did ask Michael Clarke this very question, and fair play to MC he just said 'well, we didn't adapt to the conditions and England bowled brilliantly'. How come? These are top quality cricketers. Even Smith, who's rated one of the best in the World, didn't cope well.

Just seems a bit odd to me.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 09, 2015, 08:54:13 pm
I always thought Mike Hendrick was a much better bowler, for example, than Ian Botham. Always nagging and niggardly, batsmen could never score lots of runs off him and consequently they didn't usually try.

One of my favourite ever bowlers. Lovely action.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 09, 2015, 10:56:21 pm
It's one of the problems of the current cricket calendar, with internationals through most of the years and the IPL overlapping with the early english season, foreign internationals tend not to play in the county championship until they retire from international matches. They are also fast tracked into the international teams before spending a couple of winters playing overseas.

Result English players don't play well on fast, bouncy, Aus/SA pitches by playing forward and in front of the pads to get on top of the bounce. Visitors to E&W don't play late with soft hands to cope with the swinging / seaming ball here. Everyone struggles in the subcontinent when the ball doesn't bounce and turns square.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 10, 2015, 12:47:17 am
This is all true, but none of it explains the second test adequately.  Are we to believe that when the ball doesn't do anything and is therefore easier to predict then England can't bat in those conditions?  There was also absolutely no clue in that match that England's bowlers would be made to look so devastating in the next two games.  I think it's great that all England's bowlers have done well at some stage in this series.  Have a nagging feeling that South Africa will find them out, though.  But then, I thought the Aussies would thrash us (and so did they).  A game of many halves, cricket!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2015, 01:47:28 am
What we cannot tell for certain is the psychological state of the teams.  One would assume that Australia must be feeling very ragged after two heavy defeats, particularly given that the combined total of their worst two innings is under 200 runs. Somehow England managed to recover from their second innings at Lords.

Having now lost the series, it would be quite easy for Australia to capitulate badly, but at least the Oval has the reputation for producing good batting wickets. Will Anderson be fit? And if he is, whom do they drop?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 10, 2015, 10:01:04 am
I think they might drop Lyth, move Root to opener with Cook, then everyone moves up the order and Anderson comes in at 11.  That's what I'd do.  We shouldn't need another batsman (all the bowlers can bat, Broad and Stokes especially).  If they want to try an opener, Mark Stoneman of Durham deserves a shot.  They could also give Buttler a break to find some form and put Bairstow behind the stumps, which would give them the opportunity to try another batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2015, 10:13:16 am
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/aug/09/england-ashes-adil-rashid-oval-alastair-cook-australia

Some interesting speculation from Mike Selvey, who suggests leaving Anderson out of the Oval test, with a view to preserving him for battles to come - 7 tests before the end of January.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 10, 2015, 10:18:06 am
Hmmm.  Maybe there is a secret quota of non-delivering Yorkshiremen to be fulfilled?!  I think Rashid deserves a proper chance but I'm not sure this is the time to do it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2015, 10:38:36 am
I have to confess that my interest in county cricket has dissolved to the extent that I would struggle to name the counties for which most of the England team member play. I was surprised, for example, that Panesar plays for Essex - my home county, whom I used to watch and follow regularly. I just can't muster any enthusiasm for the 2-division championship. Whatever anyone says, that halves the number of counties playing first class cricket.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on August 10, 2015, 02:03:10 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if Australia won at The Oval. It seems to happen quite often for the beaten team to win the last test once a series has been wrapped up...

Edit: Plus the pitch should be more to their liking and various players will be desperate to perform well for fear of the chop!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 14, 2015, 01:00:18 pm
Not a good start to the final innings...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: HTFB on August 21, 2015, 12:01:18 pm
It's been horribly humid in south London both yesterday and today. How come the ball isn't swinging like a dogger?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 21, 2015, 06:09:55 pm
All over by lunchtime tomorrow...?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Andrew on August 21, 2015, 06:21:20 pm
Cripes, it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 22, 2015, 08:20:04 am
It's been horribly humid in south London both yesterday and today. How come the ball isn't swinging like a dogger?
It is because they use a ball named "Duke" - far too classy for a simile like that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 22, 2015, 09:55:15 am
It's still not 60 all out, though, is it?  That's the thing to remember.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 26, 2015, 09:49:58 pm
Come on Brunt!!!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 26, 2015, 09:56:28 pm
Phew.

The series lives on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 28, 2015, 08:58:22 pm
Goodness - up against it...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 28, 2015, 09:55:17 pm
and that's it...

 :(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 31, 2015, 11:06:44 am
Sat in the front row, Aus were 25 for 4.

Shrubshole bowling 4 wickets for 11 runs  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 31, 2015, 11:58:18 am
111 all out. Going to be fun!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 31, 2015, 06:14:30 pm
Well, that was exciting. Steve Smiths wicket being the turning point
Still a good luck talisman :)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: tonyh on August 31, 2015, 09:44:07 pm
Thanks Jaded, this is better than Cricinfo!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 31, 2015, 11:38:53 pm
:D

I tried my best with a flakey GPRS signal and several other impediments...

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9168.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9436.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9385.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9356.jpg)

in entirely the wrong order

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9308.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9289.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9205.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_9178.jpg)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on September 01, 2015, 12:04:52 am
I see a lot of the supporters came in fancy dress again.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: tonyh on September 01, 2015, 09:29:23 am
Delightful details*, variety, atmosphere! Many thanks again.

(*Just as examples: bails and ball in the first one, eyes and ball in the second.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: pcolbeck on September 09, 2015, 04:10:55 pm
And Yorkshire retain the championship for the first time since 1968 !
Unbeaten all season.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on September 09, 2015, 05:10:38 pm
Well done!  (Now go away).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 11, 2015, 06:17:13 pm
Glenn Maxwell catch. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on September 11, 2015, 08:07:33 pm
Up on YouTube now. 
I'm not a rules Meister, but, after he landed off the pitch, shouldn't he have grounded his feet on the pitch before being allowed a legal catch?
Bit pissed, but what I'm trying to say is he made the catch coming from an out of bounds area. Shouldn't he have come from an in bounds area?

Shit.  Someone will know what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on September 11, 2015, 08:38:18 pm
Accepting the umpire's decision, I think Maxwell made two extraordinary catches.  He also took a wicket and scored a lot of runs, which included some amazing nd entertaining shots.  I think he might be extremely fed-up not to be man of the match; he would definitely have been mine, well as Morgan played.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 11, 2015, 09:58:13 pm
Reading the appropriate laws of cricket  (http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/law-changes-2013-explained/law-32-changes-caught/).

It appears that as he was in bounds when he first made contact with the ball and was in bounds when he finally caught the ball the only requirement is that in between he was not in contact with the ground and the ball at the same time. see the video embedded in the above link.

You would be correct if the fielder was outside the boundary signing autographs when the cry of catch it went up and caught the ball as he came back over the ropes.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on September 11, 2015, 10:27:32 pm
No not happy with  that. (As a layman)
His first contact with the ball is when he leaps from an on field position.  It doesn't matter if he or the ball have broken the plane of the boundary rope, neither he nor the ball have touched the ground and are therefore still in play.
At what point does he become out of play?  It is when he makes contact with the ground beyond the boundary rope.
So at what point should he be deemed to be in play?  This is the important bit.  Surely the same criteria?  He needs to have made contact infield?
My point is that he interfered with the ball from an illegal position as he had not yet returned to the field.

Still, a great catch!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 12, 2015, 02:59:45 am
Is it in this law?

https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-32-caught-1/
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: sojournermike on September 12, 2015, 03:34:55 pm
I was at the match yesterday and we thought Maxwell should probably be man of the match, although Morgan played a great and controlled innings. Both Maxwell's catches were superb, the second being described by one present as 'the best catch ever seen'.

Great game to watch too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on September 12, 2015, 05:10:30 pm
For Basil:
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9987761/glenn-maxwell-says-super-catch-against-england-should-not-count

!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 12, 2015, 07:31:04 pm
For Basil:
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9987761/glenn-maxwell-says-super-catch-against-england-should-not-count

!

Hehe.

That's a Skysport link and it is blocked by default on this BT router I happen to be on at the moment.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on October 16, 2015, 01:35:29 pm
England v Pakistan in the middle-east somewhere.  Must be a pudding pitch but some excellent scores on both sides.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on October 16, 2015, 03:58:15 pm
England v Pakistan in the middle-east somewhere.  Must be a pudding pitch but some excellent scores on both sides.

I think they are playing on the 8 lane highway through Abu Dhabi. The pitch is flat and smooth meaning dull cricket and an almost guaranteed draw. Suits Captain Cook though  ;)
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Post by: Jaded on October 16, 2015, 08:09:52 pm
More runs than spectators.
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Post by: mattc on October 17, 2015, 09:02:06 am
Who would want to watch such a game? (let alone travel there from Pak or Eng)

Apparently the ICC are looking at fines for using such a lifeless pitch. I expect Cook will stay out of that discussion :P
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Post by: Peter on October 17, 2015, 10:08:51 am
I don't know the circumstances, really but whom would they fine?  I think the game is being played there because it's deemed unsafe to play in Pakistan.  So who is responsible for preparing the pitch?  ICC can hardly fine Abu Dhabi, or they are likely to end up being bought out!
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Post by: trekker12 on October 17, 2015, 10:36:06 am
I would think as Pakistan are the 'home' team they would be entitled to have input into the preparation of the pitch. In much the same way in England the local grounds keeper prepares the pitch but the international team can ask for it to be prepared in a particular way to suit the conditions.

It's possible Pakistan saw our awful batting in Australia and had the heavy rollers out to flatten the pitch- only drawback is the Pakistan bowlers don't quite have the pace of the Aussies

Tms seem to think the pitches at Sharjah and Dubai have a bit more life
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Post by: mattc on October 17, 2015, 10:46:26 am
I don't know the circumstances, really but whom would they fine?  I think the game is being played there because it's deemed unsafe to play in Pakistan.  So who is responsible for preparing the pitch?  ICC can hardly fine Abu Dhabi, or they are likely to end up being bought out!
A Fine. A Bribe. Same end result!

(apparently it's only 9,500quid anyway)
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Post by: Jaded on October 17, 2015, 01:45:42 pm
99 to win in 50 minutes  :o
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Post by: andyoxon on October 18, 2015, 02:23:45 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34562700  Not a great end - tend to agree with Vaughan...
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Post by: Jaded on November 05, 2015, 07:45:10 am
Oops.
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Post by: hatler on November 05, 2015, 08:13:43 am
I imagine Cook must find this all desperately frustrating.
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Post by: trekker12 on November 05, 2015, 04:16:20 pm
I find this desperately frustrating
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Post by: Von Broad on December 28, 2015, 04:55:40 pm
Good start to the Test Match in SA
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Post by: Steve GT on December 30, 2015, 09:49:43 am
Well played England.  Great team performance.  Outplayed  us in all departments.
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Post by: Von Broad on December 30, 2015, 10:19:57 am
Well played England.  Great team performance.  Outplayed  us in all departments.

After the Australians, there was a lot of talk in the summer about how England might fair against South Africa [No1 in the world], so if nothing else it sets the series up nicely. Terrific performance.
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Post by: Peter on December 30, 2015, 02:24:04 pm
Well played England.  Great team performance.  Outplayed  us in all departments.

Except in opening.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 02, 2016, 11:16:27 am
Cook does seem a tad 'off the boil' again...
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Post by: Jaded on January 02, 2016, 11:57:52 am
As a captain?
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Post by: andyoxon on January 03, 2016, 09:44:44 am
Captaincy all good...   :)  Sure he'll enjoy getting some a few more runs - seems 'under pressure'.  Stokes and Bairstow are stormin - great stuff.
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 03, 2016, 10:54:38 am
Good grief that's some scoring!
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Post by: andyoxon on January 03, 2016, 11:03:55 am
Good grief that's some scoring!

I was on my feet applauding the 200... 

From BBC...

Quote
Most runs in a pre-lunch Test session by a single batsman (130 by Stokes)
England's highest Test partnership for the sixth-wicket
The partnership has the highest run rate of any in Tests over 250 runs 
First England century at Newlands since 1965
The highest score for an England batsman at Newlands, beating Jack Hobbs' 187 in 1910
The highest score by an England number six. The previous best was Graeme Hick's 178 against India in Mumbai in 1986.
The last England player to score 100 runs in a session before lunch was Ian Bell, against Bangladesh at Chester-le-Street in 2005
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Post by: Jaded on January 03, 2016, 11:09:56 am
That's rather impressive. I was out walking the dog and missed most of it.
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Post by: Salvatore on January 03, 2016, 11:25:44 am
Now the fastest triple century test partnership ever.
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 03, 2016, 11:30:58 am
There is talk of a declaration. I think that would be a mistake whilst the runs are coming so quickly. I think England should bat at least until tea, and if Stokes stays there for most of that time (says he, tempting providence) England could be on about 700. Why risk batting again on a pitch that is, apparently taking spin?
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Post by: hatler on January 03, 2016, 01:15:48 pm
I can't see England needing to bat again.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 03, 2016, 01:29:05 pm
Also... fastest ever test 250 - by Stokes, and highest 6th wkt pnship total in test history!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 03, 2016, 02:02:53 pm
I can't see England needing to bat again.

No, neither can I, but there is so much time left that they might as well make hay, which they did.

Apparently Stokes' dismissal was rather lame. He hit another skyer which was going straight to a not-too-distant fielder. Stokes was waiting at mid-wicket to see if he would catch it. The fielder dropped it but Stokes was too far out of his ground and was run out.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 03, 2016, 07:37:35 pm
I can't see England needing to bat again.

No, neither can I, but there is so much time left that they might as well make hay, which they did.

Apparently Stokes' dismissal was rather lame. He hit another skyer which was going straight to a not-too-distant fielder. Stokes was waiting at mid-wicket to see if he would catch it. The fielder dropped it but Stokes was too far out of his ground and was run out.

Apparently he thought that he'd be caught out with ABdeV under it, so slowed up.  May have made AC's decision when to declare easier because he didn't have to wait for a 300 by BS and JB's 150...
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 04, 2016, 12:46:30 pm
Not so easy for England today.
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Post by: Salvatore on January 04, 2016, 06:03:22 pm
In other news,  Pranav Dhanawade has scored 652 not out in a school game in Mumbai, beating the 628 not out[1] scored by AEJ Collins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._E._J._Collins) for Clarke's House (Clifton College) in 1899.

More here (http://www.abplive.in/sports/record-prodigal-mumbai-batsman-pranav-dhanawade-amasses-652-runs-in-a-single-day-269369)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX5BGnyUoAAPojZ.jpg)


[1] "628, plus or minus twenty shall we say" according to one of the scorers.
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 04, 2016, 06:12:17 pm
Well done him!  :thumbsup:

(Should we report that scoreboard to the "Grammar that makes you cringe" thread?)
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Post by: Salvatore on January 05, 2016, 08:49:10 am
He's now reached 1009 not out (out of 1442 for 3). From 323 balls, with 59 sixes and 127 fours,

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Post by: Deano on January 05, 2016, 10:36:52 am
And the opponents were bowled out for 31 :o

(How long are these schoolboy games in India?! We had twenty overs each innings if we were lucky).
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Post by: andyoxon on January 05, 2016, 10:59:20 am
Amla does the double ton...

As Geoffrey always says - it's not until both sides have batted that the 'direction' of the test becomes clearer.

edit. finally some wickets...
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Post by: mattc on January 05, 2016, 12:33:53 pm
He's now reached 1009 not out (out of 1442 for 3). From 323 balls, with 59 sixes and 127 fours,
I bet the three who scored less than 440 between them feel small now.
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Post by: trekker12 on January 05, 2016, 03:28:37 pm
SA have declared at two runs behind England's total.

Guess they think they can bowl us out tomorrow!
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 06, 2016, 10:39:14 am
There's a chance that they might... :-\
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Post by: Steve GT on January 06, 2016, 12:19:49 pm
Getting interesting! ;)
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 06, 2016, 04:07:57 pm
But ended up a bit disappointing from one point of view. From another, it's probably the best test match in my memory for majestic displays of batting. Brilliant rearguard action by S. Africa.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 06, 2016, 04:22:37 pm
Amla resigns as captain! 

Quote
"The decision was made 2 weeks ago not over the last couple of days. It just so happened I got 200 runs, but it has been coming."
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Post by: Deano on January 06, 2016, 05:02:02 pm
Whoa!

I'm guessing it's to make way for De Villiers, who was making noises about retiring.

It was a decent match in the end, only day three was dull (and the Indian lad scoring 1000 livened that day a bit).
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Post by: Von Broad on January 06, 2016, 06:27:14 pm
South Africa coming right back into the game and hence the series....but still a good result for the tourists. Should be plenty more interesting stuff to come.

It always feels a bit strange listening to the winter series in SA because the time difference is so small compared to what we're used to, it can feel like TMS as normal, finishing late afternoon, only in January.
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Post by: Peter on January 06, 2016, 09:34:29 pm
Whoa!

I'm guessing it's to make way for De Villiers, who was making noises about retiring.

It was a decent match in the end, only day three was dull (and the Indian lad scoring 1000 livened that day a bit).

Fascinating game.  I thought for a day that SA were going to bore England to death and it almost turned out to be true.  But that's England's fault for not bowling them out.

Not so sure about the India thing:  Obviously it's astonishing but he actually only batted for about 6 hours, though it's still definitely "well done, that man".  But to take 1400 off a team you can get out for 31 isn't what I call cricket!
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Post by: Deano on January 06, 2016, 09:35:40 pm
Dropped catches, Peter, that's what cost England.
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Post by: Peter on January 06, 2016, 09:38:24 pm
Yes, you're right, of course.  I'd half wanted SA to win, not just to put a smile in Steve GT's face but because I get sick of Geoffrey Boycott's smug "no chance" again and again.  The arrogant bugger was right again!
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Post by: Steve GT on January 14, 2016, 07:43:33 am
The South Africans have lost their wicketkeeper for the game, bad news from a South African point of veiw.
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Post by: Steve GT on January 14, 2016, 10:24:34 am
Does anyone else like to score each session using boxing’s ’10 point must’ system?
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Post by: Deano on January 15, 2016, 11:09:32 pm
Looking like a tight match. I'm just catching up, but winning the toss may give SA the edge.

Meanwhile: Ben Stokes has scored 368 runs from 334 balls in this series. That's just preposterous.

Does anyone else like to score each session using boxing’s ’10 point must’ system?

No, but I might from now on!
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Post by: Peter on January 16, 2016, 12:16:33 am


Meanwhile: Ben Stokes has scored 368 runs from 334 balls in this series. That's just preposterous.



And it's now 426 from 388!
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Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2016, 08:15:03 am
It's a bit lively out there this morning.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 16, 2016, 10:02:40 am
OK, let's see what the England bowlers can do now...
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Post by: mattc on January 16, 2016, 11:04:05 am
The SA innings was a statistical wonder; lowest test score (313) with all 11 players reaching double figures!

Also 2nd highest score ever without a 50 anywhere.
[I *think* I've got those right ... ]

There's a list of similar feats here:
http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/highest-test-totals-without-a-century-and-half-century

This all intersts me cos it debunks one of the classic commentator myths;
"a couple of players need to push on and make big centuries"
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Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2016, 12:00:36 pm
Stunning! 31 for 4

I'm supposed to be working  ;D
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Post by: bobb on January 16, 2016, 12:06:37 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing that catch!
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Post by: mcshroom on January 16, 2016, 12:12:44 pm
I looking forward to seeing Broad's spell. Ripping them apart at the moment!
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Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
Broad 5-14  ;D
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Post by: andyoxon on January 16, 2016, 12:33:15 pm
6 down.  Vilas what a catch...
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Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2016, 12:33:35 pm
Taylor brilliant
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Post by: Basil on January 16, 2016, 12:39:09 pm
Crikey!  I've just read today's additions to this thread, quickly switched the radio on and Bang. 7  :D
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Post by: andyoxon on January 16, 2016, 01:18:30 pm
Right, I have to get out for that bike ride - otherwise I'll never go...   :)
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Post by: Deano on January 16, 2016, 01:59:39 pm
I've just come back and the buggers are all out  :o
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 16, 2016, 02:04:59 pm
I've just come back and the buggers are all out  :o

That's a coincidence: so are the South Africans!
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 16, 2016, 02:07:12 pm
I do hope England don't cock up here...
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Post by: andyoxon on January 16, 2016, 03:50:09 pm
Get in.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Not sure how long Compton and Hales will be in the side...
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Post by: Von Broad on January 16, 2016, 04:36:12 pm
Stuart Broad. Again. What a performance.
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Peter on January 16, 2016, 06:14:12 pm
No relation.
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Post by: Steve GT on January 16, 2016, 10:02:52 pm
Well played England. Thoroughly deserved.
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Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2016, 11:50:45 pm
Of course, in years to come, they'll be hinting that Broad was on drugs.
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Post by: Deano on January 16, 2016, 11:58:15 pm
Of course, in years to come, they'll be hinting that Broad was on drugs.

Ah, you've met Von Broad ;)
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Post by: Deano on January 17, 2016, 12:38:26 am
James Taylor's two catches were staggering, especially the second:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQHYfkBnBVs
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Post by: Von Broad on January 17, 2016, 11:48:16 am
James Taylor's two catches were staggering, especially the second:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQHYfkBnBVs

Stuart Broad - what you're seeing at the moment is a bloke just completely at the peak of his game.
That spell was just so devastating, especially as SA were right back in the game, just great to see when it all comes together like that [and the conditions tilt in the bowlers favour too].
Certainly helps when your fielders take catches like Taylor managed to pull off! Amazing.
That ball by Stokes too was a real belter.
Snap shot of the day (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10132065/south-africa-v-england-3rd-test-story-of-day-three)
Pleased for Cookie too...he's had his difficult times.

[If drugs is beer then guilty as charged your Honour ;)]
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 17, 2016, 12:06:44 pm
That field setting with Taylor at that unorthodox short leg was inspirational. Gooch used to score an awful lot of his runs in that area until on one tour the Aussies realised that one of his stock shots for 4 left the ball in the air just a little too long. They bunged a fielder in and what used to be a very handy shot became a liability and they got him out a couple of times. He was forced to change his technique after that. That's extremely difficult to do with a sharply lifting ball though.
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Post by: Peter on January 18, 2016, 08:11:44 pm
Just posting to get the staggering performance by England in the cricket to the top of the board again, briefly, rather than the tennis "shock".
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Post by: andyoxon on January 22, 2016, 01:13:04 pm
What's happened to England's bowling attack?
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Post by: Peter on January 22, 2016, 02:00:55 pm
The pitch.

Classic situation for second day collapse, though.....
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Post by: Jaded on January 22, 2016, 03:19:09 pm
There's been a mini collapse on Day One!

Plus Cook has a century...
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Post by: andyoxon on January 22, 2016, 03:55:09 pm
Ah yes for 5 now, that's better.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 25, 2016, 06:00:05 pm
Don't think Hales and Compton will be selected for the next test series (Sri Lanka?).

Rabada is doing well.
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Post by: Jaded on January 26, 2016, 08:15:38 am
Two early wickets this morning means an even more uphill struggle.
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Post by: Peter on January 26, 2016, 10:07:45 am
Well done, South Africa!  I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers.  South Africa should always play their first match at this ground then the visitors will have to try and level a series.  England are developing a habit of winning a series early, then losing the last game.  They are still a very frustrating side to follow.  But again, well done South Africa.  (Hope there is no betting stuff coming out in years to come.....!)
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Post by: Andrew on January 26, 2016, 10:42:19 am
I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers.

I presume you mean Rabada. That was some performance, sustained too, not just a few overs. He looks about 12 years old but the guy is clearly a class bowler already.
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Post by: Peter on January 26, 2016, 02:36:04 pm
I do indeed.  Just hope he stays injury-free.
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Post by: Steve GT on January 27, 2016, 10:04:14 am
Well done, South Africa!  I think we are witnessing the start of one of the really great test bowling careers.  South Africa should always play their first match at this ground then the visitors will have to try and level a series.  England are developing a habit of winning a series early, then losing the last game.  They are still a very frustrating side to follow.  But again, well done South Africa.  (Hope there is no betting stuff coming out in years to come.....!)

I agree Peter. Why South Africa start a series at Kingsmead where their record over the 10 years is very poor, is a mystery.
Pathetic planning by the administrators.

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Post by: Jaded on February 03, 2016, 03:10:40 pm
We were on target for a record ever in ODIs, but a few wickets have pegged up back. Currently the third highest ever Eng score in an ODI.



<edit> need 7 1 to make it the 2nd highest ever. 17 for the highest.
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Post by: Peter on February 03, 2016, 08:01:27 pm
Hard to know but I think England will be breathing a sigh of relief: even after a near-record-breaking score, they were struggling to contain the mercurial De Kok, who scored even faster than Buttler.  Excellent stuff.  Once again, England threw in a collapse to keep the game interesting.  The first 5 wickets brought 370 runs; the last 4 wickets brought........20.  An excellent toss to win.  SA cricket's loss is the farmers' gain - and about time.
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Post by: trekker12 on February 04, 2016, 12:26:35 pm
I think that would have been a very close finish. The DL score doesn't do it justice unfortunately. I'd just got home from work and was looking forward to seeing it through till the end. Typical English weather  :P
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Post by: andyoxon on February 12, 2016, 02:17:28 pm
Middle order wobble wipeout for England.  Root really is a solid & consistent batsman.

Collapses lose matches...
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Post by: andyoxon on February 14, 2016, 11:00:43 am
Hum, in this ODI series decider, England are up against again...  Only real hope is for some stellar bowling.
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Post by: Jaded on March 15, 2016, 11:52:20 pm
T20 starting match.

NZ didn't score enough in their innings. Apparently.

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Post by: Jaded on March 18, 2016, 05:25:52 pm
is a bit nailbiting!
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Post by: tonyh on March 18, 2016, 05:45:46 pm
SA scored enough. Apparently.
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Post by: Jaded on March 18, 2016, 06:02:12 pm
They did, but our batting went up to 11.
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Post by: Peter on March 18, 2016, 06:30:23 pm
I think the significant statistics are:-

SA bowled  20 wides; Dale Steyn was taken off after conceding 18 runs per over; Jason Roy showed what was possible.

A marvellous match.  For England to win with such a poor bowling line-up against what is effectively SA's Test team is little short of astonishing.
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Post by: andyoxon on March 18, 2016, 08:13:32 pm
Root is so good.  Highest ever run chase in world T20 cricket apparently.

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Post by: Jaded on March 26, 2016, 05:31:57 pm
Well, that was tight...
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Post by: Peter on March 26, 2016, 05:42:16 pm
Yes, a  great result!  I think the secret ingredient was Stokes not getting taken for a shed-load for the first time in this competition.  He had a great day in the field.
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Post by: andyoxon on March 26, 2016, 05:52:21 pm
Good match, well done England.
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Post by: Jaded on March 26, 2016, 05:56:34 pm
Morgan playing the spinners (too long) in the middle added to the fun...
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Post by: andyoxon on March 30, 2016, 07:03:58 pm
England by 7 wickets!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: hatler on March 30, 2016, 09:40:41 pm
And as importantly, with almost three overs spare.
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Post by: Jaded on April 03, 2016, 02:41:45 pm
Not a great start
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Post by: Jaded on April 03, 2016, 04:32:22 pm
Rooooooot!!
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Post by: Jaded on April 03, 2016, 06:07:36 pm
That's quite a finish, albeit not the one we wanted.
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Post by: peliroja on April 03, 2016, 06:24:00 pm
Amazing last over... I do feel for Stokes. Poor lad.
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Post by: Peter on April 03, 2016, 06:29:03 pm
Me, too.  But I wonder if England let it slip by relying on Ben because he'd pulled it off bowling the last over a couple of times recently?  I think Ali might have been better against Brathwaite because you have to work harder against a moving ball and Brathwaite is more of a straight up and down hitter.  However, this could be why I am not a professional England coach (that and the fact that I'm English).  But hindsight is easy - and it's also what we should learn from.

Well done both teams - wonderful entertainment!

Great three trophies for West Indies; a marvellous resurrection.  Happy Easter to them!
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Post by: Basil on April 03, 2016, 06:36:46 pm
Fantastic game via radio.  That would have been great1 to watch live.

1 Except the actual result, obv.
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Post by: Peter on April 03, 2016, 06:38:12 pm
Yes, I listened to it on the radio, too.  I've now got a seriously upset stomach; so much for sleepy cricket!
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Post by: pcolbeck on April 18, 2016, 03:34:42 pm
Yorkshire 593-9 dec and Hampshire 39 -2 so far.

Looks like Yorkshire are starting this season where they left off last  year :)
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Post by: madcow on April 25, 2016, 03:14:54 pm
All those runs and still only a draw.
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Post by: pcolbeck on April 25, 2016, 04:30:31 pm
All those runs and still only a draw.

I know :(
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Post by: Peter on April 25, 2016, 05:26:46 pm
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket?  Was it at Headingley?  That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?
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Post by: pcolbeck on April 25, 2016, 06:42:24 pm
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket?  Was it at Headingley?  That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?

It was indeed at Headingley.
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Post by: mcshroom on April 25, 2016, 06:49:29 pm
I wonder if it was a case of overconfidence, or even arrogance on a placid wicket?  Was it at Headingley?  That's usually a result wicket, isn't it?

Flat as a pancake when the sun's out often. If it's damp or overcast then the fun tends to begin. It's also more placid since the new drainage has been installed.
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Post by: bobb on May 12, 2016, 09:50:12 pm
I see Tony Cozier (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36254041) has died  :'(

I always enjoyed his dulcet, Barbadian tones. I was surprised he was only 75...
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Post by: pcolbeck on May 19, 2016, 12:21:44 pm
Yorkshire 593-9 dec and Hampshire 39 -2 so far.

Looks like Yorkshire are starting this season where they left off last  year :)

Perhaps I was a little over confident there. One win and four draws so far :(
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Post by: Peter on May 19, 2016, 03:03:01 pm
There aren't that many wins around, with all the pancake pitches (or poor bowlers!). The BBC report was a bit strange on Durham's match, suggesting that Durham struggled against Lancashire, when in fact they took ten wickets on the final day to win by 73 runs - and that after Onions and Weighell both went for nearly ten an over for the first few overs.  Collingwood is a vastly experienced captain.  It looks like being an interesting season with a battle between the Northern teams brewing up (and Warwickshire).  I think Yorkshire may suffer more from the loss of their test players than Durham will but that's probably wishful thinking!
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Post by: andyoxon on May 20, 2016, 11:53:31 am
Good to see Hales (now on his top test score) doing well with Bairstow.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on May 20, 2016, 02:34:13 pm
Bairstow 140 off 181. He and Hales saved the innings. The others had best pull their socks up.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on May 20, 2016, 09:04:59 pm
So what about the other others?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 21, 2016, 04:00:53 pm
"Jonny Bairstow is the first Englishman to get a century and eight nine dismissals in the same match."

ABdV has record of century & 10 dismissals
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 21, 2016, 07:53:34 pm
There was a BTL comment under one of the Graun's pieces complaining about Cook enforcing the follow-on, on the grounds that the test would be over in 3 days. The commenter, a Yorkshireman, complained about the "Essex Boy" depriving the Yorkshire crowd of a Saturday's England batting entertainment and Yorkshire of decent match receipts.

It seems to me that Cook's decision was eminently justified in cricketing terms by the events of today. Should a captain allow his decision to be affected by what the crowd want, or the financial affairs of the home side? (NB I have no idea what financial arrangement the TCCB/MCC reach with home sides in test matches. This looked to me to be a stereotypically prejudiced piece by a bloke with a chip on his shoulder.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on May 21, 2016, 08:28:28 pm
You can tell a well-balanced Yorkshireman* - they have chips on both shoulders. :demon:

If you are going to get some stick, it's better to do so having achieved a thumping win in "only" three days, as opposed to not seizing the advantage and drawing the match because rain stopped play on Sunday/Monday.


* But you can't tell him much. ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on May 21, 2016, 10:55:17 pm
Given how few Yorkshire people turned up for the first day, why should they have a test?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: DrMekon on May 22, 2016, 12:14:15 pm
Not that I've any interest, but the first I knew that there was a match on at Headingley was tiny little notices the size of an envelope on lampposts saying there was a match and tickets were £10. In contrast, the world triathlon thing that's coming to Leeds has banners everywhere in the centre.

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Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on May 22, 2016, 02:36:20 pm
TMS listeners may have heard this mentioned:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-YK8JW0AAM4Qo.jpg)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on May 25, 2016, 06:21:35 pm
Historically fascinating result for Durham against Warwickshire:-

Warwickshire bat ok, 300-ish then get Durham out for about 190, with Woakes taking an astonishing 9 for next to nothing.  Having been summarily called up for the Test team (an unnecessary replacement for Stokes) he is unable to bowl in the second innings and Durham win comfortably.  This seems a little hard on Warwickshire, although they agreed to Woakes leaving the game.  No blame attaches to Durham, who did their job.  Very strange altogether.  Looks like Durham have got a good South African in Jennings - three centuries in five matches.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 27, 2016, 12:02:29 pm
Close but no 10K cigar today.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on May 27, 2016, 05:03:53 pm
The BBC are saying Woakes for Stokes coz the bloke's broke ???

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Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 28, 2016, 02:46:51 pm
Go Moeen!   

Looking like a good decision to bat by Cook.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on May 29, 2016, 11:08:53 am
So...

one more wicket and then England go back in to see if Cook can get his 10,000? Add a hundred or so and put Sri Lanka back in.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on May 31, 2016, 04:21:18 pm
Cricket probably has more folklore and behind-the-scenes interest than any other game - not surprisingly, I suppose, given that the players spend days and weeks in each other's company. Sometimes there are some unexpected gems that emerge, and the following article, I feel, is one of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/31/alastair-cook-james-anderson-england-the-spin
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on May 31, 2016, 06:25:42 pm
Cricket probably has more folklore and behind-the-scenes interest than any other game - not surprisingly, I suppose, given that the players spend days and weeks in each other's company. Sometimes there are some unexpected gems that emerge, and the following article, I feel, is one of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/31/alastair-cook-james-anderson-england-the-spin

An interesting read. I'm terrified of the day Jimmy Anderson hangs up his boots!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 03, 2016, 10:09:55 am
I wonder if county cricket's table calculations are reflected in any other sport?  Lancashire got leathered by Yorkshire and still climb to the (temporary) top of the table because of batting and bowling points.  Makes things pretty interesting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: SoreTween on June 12, 2016, 09:11:05 pm
Cook.  He's gone through a fallow patch but crossing 10k seems to have lifted a weight from his shoulders.  A weight only he put there because for an opener he was already in a very elite group.  Now though he seems back to his young mans form.  Declaring yourself on 49?  That's class that is.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 21, 2016, 07:30:27 pm
1st ODI.  This is not going to plan.   :facepalm:
Looks like England will be all out in time for me to watch some footie.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 21, 2016, 10:24:30 pm
Wasn't expecting that!  Apparently 33 tied ODIs since 1984.

edit:  "Woakes' 95 not out is the highest score by a number eight in ODI cricket."   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 21, 2016, 10:30:04 pm
Wow!
And I didn't have to watch any footingball.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on June 22, 2016, 04:07:39 pm
You certainly don't get such tense, exciting draws celebrated so loudly in football!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 29, 2016, 08:21:50 pm
Only just watched the 2nd ODI.  Great knock by Hales & Roy for those records... 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 30, 2016, 12:34:23 am
And another almost record-breaking one from Roy today.  Is Hales injured, by the way?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 01, 2016, 10:27:03 pm
Hales suffered a back spasm during the rain delay.

Roy did the openers job on his own.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 02, 2016, 10:51:43 am
Ah!  Thanks.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Pancho on July 16, 2016, 09:48:26 pm
Today at Lord's ( I was there!) was gripping. We knew it would be a pivotal day - and it pivoted both ways. Come close of play, I reckon it's all still in the balance. Great cricket, great weather, and this time I didn't knacker myself out riding a Boris Bike from Waterloo.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andrew_s on July 30, 2016, 09:32:20 pm
I see that Aus vs SL was a gripping game - 25 consecutive maiden overs before O'Keefe finally succumbed.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2016, 04:20:12 pm
Sri Lanka are performing brilliantly - looking as though they'll take a 2-0 lead with their makeshift team. Not bad, considering the players they've had retire recently.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/05/australia-skittled-for-106-as-sri-lankan-spinner-rangana-herath-bags-hat-trick
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2016, 06:57:03 pm
The current test match is beautifully poised. Well done to
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A good old-fashioned combination of guile & graft.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 05, 2016, 06:58:45 pm
Yes, excellent stuff from Sri Lanka.  I understand that Australia are top of the rankings - have they beaten anyone lately?  (I'm out of touch).  England have been superb, today.  And Durham look as if their march to their correct place as County Champions is going well at Taunton*, though I expect the authorities might have a word with Somerset about the pitch - 35 wickets in two days!

*ETA - or possibly not!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 06, 2016, 11:25:24 am
C'mon Rooty - need a decent total to defend.  Draw possible if England hang in there well I guess.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Kim on August 06, 2016, 12:41:03 pm
Having shared a railway with them for much of the last 24 hours, I'd just like to say that cricket fans are my all-time favourite kind of drunken ballsports revellers. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 07, 2016, 04:26:19 pm
And Durham look as if their march to their correct place as County Champions is going well at Taunton*, though I expect the authorities might have a word with Somerset about the pitch - 35 wickets in two days!

*ETA - or possibly not!

Yeah, that went well ;D

The England test is still rolling on - I think 5 wickets fell while I was out at the shop :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2016, 08:01:44 pm
A very good team effort by England.

What a strange lot they are! A few years back, Cook was churning out the runs like Bradman and England were sweepnh all before them. Then, unaccountably, largely the same players were dross and couldn't do anything right. Now they come from a first innings deficit of over 100 runs and win the match by over 100.

Confused of Prittlewell.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on August 07, 2016, 08:20:59 pm
Sorry, Wow, I think you might want to pay more attention - the team (and backroom staff) have changed a lot. Apart from Cook, Broad, Anderson, I don't think any of 'em were playing in the all-conquering team that won the 2010-11 Ashes in Australia and were number 1 in the world. Wait, Steven Finn as well, though he was hardly an integral part of the team, Tremlett being the fast bowler.

So the entire middle order, the second opener, the wicketkeeper, half the seam attack and the spinner, plus the coaching staff, are all different  :-*

In the meantime, there were a few retirements (including England's most successful spinner and Trott at number three, who hasn't really been replaced. Plus the entire coaching staff changing at least twice (I've probably lost count somewhere along the way), and the whole KP debacle. And Andrew Strauss scarpering to become a Tory MP or something. They still look like a work-in-progress apart from Cook and Root of the top order batsmen and a few others (Woakes has been brilliant this summer, and Finn had a good test), though at least they've finally found a suitably ginger Durham all-rounder replacement for Paul Collingwood, injuries permitting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 07, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
Stokes is an accidental Englishman - but I'm glad he signed for Durham!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 08, 2016, 08:57:49 am
Sorry, Wow, I think you might want to pay more attention ...

Oh, I don't pay attention at all! Cricket records used to be my special subject when in quiz teams, but I have found that it is impossible to keep track of recent events (that's to do with being old) especially when cricket is no longer broadcast on accessible television.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on August 08, 2016, 01:23:44 pm
Also, Cook was churning out runs in Australia on hard flat pitches against a fairly weak Aussie bowling attack.

Not to be critical of his performances as I think he's the best batsman England have ever had it's just that time changes and that particular tour he was utterly brilliant and it's unlikely he'll repeat such a feat.

I'm glad in recent series he's got over that slightly sticky period and is showing the class we all know he has.

The best thing about the latest performance was it was a team effort. Runs all the way down the order and wickets taken by all of the bowlers (except Root, who is only a part timer). I don't think we've had such strength in depth for many many years.

I'm going to the Oval on Saturday. Really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 30, 2016, 08:43:03 pm
Crikey!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 30, 2016, 09:37:39 pm
A quadruple Nelson... England expects that every player will belt it over the boundary?  ;D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37225767
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 30, 2016, 10:37:56 pm
Quite a few records in that match!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on August 31, 2016, 11:48:58 am
Quite a few records in that match!

I watched the England innings on and off. The bowling wasn't that bad but the fielding was awful. Plenty of wry smiles from the bowlers, esp from Mohammed Amir, but also Wahab, who thought he'd bowled Hales, only for the 3rd umpire to signal a no-ball. The ball had ricocheted off the stumps to the boundary, so England also got 4 byes. Plus a free hit.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on August 31, 2016, 12:01:40 pm
I dipped in and out as well. Quite an innings. Apparently Hales was awarded a run when it should have been a bye but that seems to have been forgotten, or at least not removed from the record.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on October 20, 2016, 08:51:34 am
Not a great start in the First Test.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on October 21, 2016, 09:08:18 am
... for the umpires, mind you when the ball is turning square I feel sorry for the umpires giving LBWs.


On a brighter note the England middle order recovered well to post just shy of 300. Now the bowlers need to step up.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: tonyh on October 21, 2016, 09:23:20 am
One of those Broad hat-tricks would help.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on October 30, 2016, 10:15:02 am
Oh crikey! Mind you, 273 to win in the last innings is always a tall order. Scores higher than that are not achieved very often...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on October 30, 2016, 11:19:26 am
Last 8 wkts went for 34 runs - fair old collapse that.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on October 30, 2016, 02:05:52 pm
Excellent result for Bangladesh! Well done them!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on October 30, 2016, 03:01:13 pm
Last 8 wkts went for 34 runs - fair old collapse that.

Pants! They were about 90 for nothin when I went out on my bike. I come back at lunchtime and it's all over  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on October 30, 2016, 04:31:52 pm
Pah, I was hoping for another early morning win tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 10, 2016, 07:30:40 am
Quite surprising...  "England have only had three hundreds in an innings once before in Asia, against India in 1961"  Last time time in UK, was against Sri Lanka in Cardiff, 2011   TMS   Though it does seem Stokes has been riding his luck, with the dropped catches.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 08, 2016, 08:32:27 am
The new boy done good.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 11, 2016, 07:50:57 am
But not this time. I think England have an uphill struggle...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 16, 2016, 02:10:09 pm
I was up super early, so watched quite a bit of today's play.

I must say, I really am getting pissed off with all this video evidence. It is still so often inconclusive. I am obviously talking about Root's dismissal.

All "Ultimate Edge" (or whatever it's called) proved was that something made a noise at about the time the ball passed the bat. It could have been anything. The third umpire had no choice but to give him out, but you could tell from his voice that he wasn't happy about it.

It's come too far now to get rid of it, I just wish they'd never bothered and left it to the on field umpires like they'd been doing for the last 300 odd years....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on December 16, 2016, 03:21:15 pm
Problem being that 300 years ago or even 30 for that matter there wasn't the all round coverage invested by tv companies. A blatant mistake by the umpire is so public something has to be decided.

In most cases I see the review works, I didn't see roots dismissal but it sounds like a one off case. The review system is slow and clunky in my view, we don't need to hear the third umpire making his decision and it all takes too long. It can't be dismissed entirely- even India gave up in the end but it's certainly not perfect and no one in the game should think it is
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 16, 2016, 03:42:58 pm
I'll bet there's a measurable noise when a ball passes a bat so close, without touching, and the air does something odd.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 16, 2016, 03:51:12 pm
I'll bet there's a measurable noise when a ball passes a bat so close, without touching, and the air does something odd.

Yeah, I wondered about that too. IMO, if there is no visible contact, even at super slo-mo, you just give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 20, 2016, 09:51:38 am
103-0
196-7

oops.

This was a good opportunity for 3-0
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 20, 2016, 09:55:11 am
200-8

It's going to be 4-0
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 20, 2016, 10:28:39 am
I've not been able to actually see any of this series.  Obviously India are the world's no. 1 team at the moment but do their spinners really move the ball?  I expect "yes".  And "we"  (our motley crew of South Africans and New Zealanders)  tend not to play genuine spin too well because we never see it at county level because we only have slow bowlers rather than spinners, since the retirement of Graeme Swann, who really could move the ball.  That said, this has all been a bit pathetic, hasn't it? 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 20, 2016, 10:38:40 am
6 wickets for 15 runs!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 20, 2016, 11:13:00 am
One of England's problems in the series was apparently lack of an effective spin attack...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 22, 2016, 09:05:30 am
I've not been able to actually see any of this series.  Obviously India are the world's no. 1 team at the moment but do their spinners really move the ball?  I expect "yes".  And "we"  (our motley crew of South Africans and New Zealanders)  tend not to play genuine spin too well because we never see it at county level because we only have slow bowlers rather than spinners, since the retirement of Graeme Swann, who really could move the ball.  That said, this has all been a bit pathetic, hasn't it? 

It is of course the pitches in India. They take a hell of a lot more turn than English pitches. Or indeed the hard, bouncy tracks you find everywhere else in the world. The Indians always exploit this.

I think the 4-0 result looks worse than it actually was. I watched quite a lot of theis series and much of the time England played quite well. Not taking anything away anything from India - they were the better side.

The biggest problem IMO is that the England team just didn't want to be there. They didn't want to go to Sri Lanka and there sure as hell didn't want to tour India straight afterwards. I'm not surprised by the collapse on the final session of the final day of the final test. They'd long had their flights home booked just a few hours after the final test was due to finish. They just wanted to get out of there.

India is the hardest place to go and win. Of course England did win in 2012 and that is almost entirely down to attitude. Of course, the old guard of Cooke, Broad, Anderson etc were all still in their 20s. Plus there were players like Swann and Pietersen. They went on that tour with the attitude "LET'S. FUCKING. DO THIS!". They went on this tour with the attitude of "Ohhh, do we have to?".

Cooke will almost certainly go as captain now and we must bring through the younger players. Get some fighting spirit back. The talent is there, but at the moment, the application isn't...

Just my two penn'orth
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 22, 2016, 10:07:11 am
ICC Captain of the year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38401663)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 23, 2016, 12:46:29 am
ICC Captain of the year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38401663)

Alastair Cook was named captain of the ICC Test team of 2016. The voting period closed in September, before England's Test series defeat in India.

Bobb, I'm sure you're right about the pitches.  But not so sure about the need to bring young players on.  With the exception of Cook, Anderson and Broad, this was, I think a team for the future.  Let's hope they develop some  "let's do this!"!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 27, 2016, 06:18:32 pm
Cook still has quite a future ahead of him. He's only 32, which is still quite young for a batsman - his birthday is Christmas Day. Gooch was 41 when he last played for England.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on December 27, 2016, 06:31:27 pm
I think the question is whether or not he will remain captain and whether or not he wants to carry on with international touring.  He's a farmer, I think, or wants to be.  He'd get in the side ok - none of the several hundred (it seems) openers we've tried comes anywhere near him so far, although the new South African looks a possibility.  However, if he (Jennings) had not been dropped on 0 in his first innings (when he went on the score a century) his test average would have been almost 0 after three innings, I think.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 27, 2016, 09:32:23 pm
True. I'm trying to think of England captains who have lost the job but carried on in the team. Botham sticks out like a sore thumb as the most obvious. I am sure there must be others. Without checking, my memory tells me that Gooch scored the vast bulk of his test runs when he was considerably older than Cook. His brilliant match-winning innings in Headingly 1991 was when he was 38. His triple century was the previous year. If you take a snapshot of his test career up to the age of 32, Gooch would have been quite unimpressive.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 15, 2017, 11:26:58 am
The first half of the match has gone well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: rafletcher on January 15, 2017, 04:35:26 pm
The second, not so much...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 15, 2017, 09:14:12 pm
 >:(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on January 15, 2017, 10:03:30 pm
Well done India! Scintillating run chase.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 22, 2017, 04:09:48 pm
That was tense.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on February 06, 2017, 11:16:58 am
Alistair Cook steps down as England captain.....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on February 06, 2017, 11:36:31 am
A very impressive record for such a young man. He could still have another 10 years as an England batsman.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Tom B on April 11, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
As there are Essex supporters here: in the County Championship, Dan Lawrence (age 19), scores 141 in 114 overs to save the match (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/10/dan-lawrence-essex-lancashire-county-championship-match-report-surrey)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on April 11, 2017, 01:56:03 pm
Very interesting. I'm a lapsed Essex supporter. I used to go to a lot of matches but have lost interest since the introduction of divisions and the general absence of test players from the county teams. However, that is an impressive knock from such a young bloke. I just checked: Cook was 20 when he hit 214 for Essex against the Australians.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on April 11, 2017, 08:15:40 pm
Yes, it was a good fightback against a team that includes an England opener who had already played three tests for England  at Lawrence's age.  Let's hope Dan Lawrence is consistent.  It looks promising as he made a FG century at only 17!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 11, 2017, 01:15:18 pm
Comedy stuff from South Africa!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 14, 2017, 08:01:49 pm
A disappointing day out.

I've forgotten how to attack bowlers
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0077.jpg)

Nice defensive stroke
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0082.jpg)

Lots of drums for England...
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0085.jpg)

Couldn't identify him but everyone wanted a selfie with him
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0097.jpg)

Great sharp fielding from Pakistan
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0109.jpg)

Loads of these salutes for England (10) but only 2 for Pakistan...
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0134.jpg)

Pakistan fans on great form
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_0140.jpg)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 21, 2017, 06:13:17 pm
Good grief! Essex are at the top of the County Championship! How many years is it since that happened?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 26, 2017, 12:56:06 am
A better result today...


(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2514.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2558.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2570.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2588.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2707.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2445.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/DSC_2451.jpg)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on June 26, 2017, 01:02:29 pm
A good result, they made South Africa look quite ordinary.

Nice pictures too, Jaded.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 28, 2017, 06:45:47 pm
Blimey! Cook & Browne have set a new 1st wicket record for Essex. Currently 358 - 0.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 28, 2017, 06:59:57 pm
Yes, they've been doing rather well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 29, 2017, 11:42:43 am
Today I have learned that Middlesex have an opening batsman yclept Gubbins. I find this splendid.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 29, 2017, 10:21:55 pm
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).

It's a bit like 1979 all over again!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on June 30, 2017, 12:09:57 pm
I just half heard on the news that live cricket will be shown on BBC for the first time in 21 years.  :D

Well, a few domestic and international 20 20 matches only.
I didn't hear when this will be.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Little Jim on June 30, 2017, 12:20:56 pm
I just half heard on the news that live cricket will be shown on BBC for the first time in 21 years.  :D

Well, a few domestic and international 20 20 matches only.
I didn't hear when this will be.

From 2020 - yes, really!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on July 01, 2017, 02:00:28 am
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).

It's a bit like 1979 all over again!

You can watch highlights here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfbWpYkZbis) You don't often see 9 fielders around the batsman these days!
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 01, 2017, 08:50:23 am
Blimey! The last 5 Middx wickets fell for next to nothing and Essex have opened a buffer between them and the second county (all the other matches were rain-affected draws).

It's a bit like 1979 all over again!

You can watch highlights here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfbWpYkZbis) You don't often see 9 fielders around the batsman these days!

Thanks! That must have been a terrific match to watch - the last wicket falling in the last over...
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Post by: Jaded on July 06, 2017, 08:35:13 pm
Rooooooot!!
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Post by: Peter on July 06, 2017, 09:35:41 pm
Yes, a tremendous and historic performance.  Just a shame it had to overshadow the superb win for Durham, who are without three players who are in the Test team.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 07, 2017, 12:54:37 am
Rooooooot!!

Too much lager and prawns?
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Post by: Jaded on July 07, 2017, 01:44:43 am
It's a popular beat combo, m'lud.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 08, 2017, 06:14:32 pm
Slow progress atm.  At least Cook has 50+
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 20, 2017, 06:17:53 pm
Indian batsman Kaur scored 171 in her team's total of 281 in the World Cup semifinal. Her last 121 runs came of 51 deliveries.
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Post by: Jaded on July 21, 2017, 12:57:09 am
Let's see what happens on Sunday!
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Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2017, 05:21:18 pm
It's a bit exciting just now.

Spots of rain.
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Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2017, 05:38:19 pm
Wow...
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 23, 2017, 05:39:34 pm
I'll second that...
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 23, 2017, 05:41:39 pm
And, indeed, crikey!
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Post by: rafletcher on July 23, 2017, 05:42:47 pm
Well done ladies!!!
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Post by: Basil on July 23, 2017, 05:43:09 pm
Woohoo and cripes.
 :D
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Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2017, 05:44:17 pm
That was amazing. Utterly wonderful. They just kept at it.
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Post by: Jaded on July 23, 2017, 11:53:54 pm
A good day out...

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3151.jpg)

Later...

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3203.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3263.jpg)

The loneliness of the outfield player as a catch approaches

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3305.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3388.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3397.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3432.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/WWC17/DSC_3445.jpg)
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 24, 2017, 07:19:18 am
Having seen the highlights, I must say that I thought that key lbw from Shrubsole would have missed leg stump. The commentator was certain it was plumb though. But 5 for 11 in 19 deliveries? Aren't they exactly the same figures that Botham achieved at Edgbaston in 1981?
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Post by: Jaded on July 24, 2017, 07:41:28 am
Was it Botham or Willis?
We chatted about that match yesterday as amongst the displays in the Lords Museum is a signed wagon wheel of Botham's 147 Not Out.  :thumbsup:

Edit. Botham had great bowling figures in the 1st innings, Willis in the 2nd.
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Post by: Salvatore on July 24, 2017, 09:02:48 am
Was it Botham or Willis?
We chatted about that match yesterday as amongst the displays in the Lords Museum is a signed wagon wheel of Botham's 147 Not Out.  :thumbsup:

Edit. Botham had great bowling figures in the 1st innings, Willis in the 2nd.

I think you've confused Edgbaston (Botham 5 for 11 in the 2nd innings) and  Headingly (Botham 147). 
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Post by: Jaded on July 24, 2017, 09:32:04 am
Ah yes. I'm confusing everything.  It was a long time ago!
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 24, 2017, 03:11:47 pm
I knew it was Edgbaston. I was playing cricket* that afternoon - it was only a short time after test cricket was played on a Sunday.

I remembered the Edgbaston and the 5 and the 11. It was 5 for 1 run in 11 deliveries.

*FAGVO. A teaching colleague of mine was a pretty decent cricketer and had a match at one of the Bardfields, on the Dun Run route. They were a player short so he gave me a lift there in his MGb. The ground was surrounded on 3 sides by a cornfield. The other side was back gardens. I batted at no 11 and scored 1 not out, didn't get a bowl, and fielded mostly a long way from the bat. Nevertheless, I took 3 catches! One was at mid-off. The ball was driven straight at me at about head height. Technically not a hard catch for a good cricketer (I'm not), the ball stung my hands a lot. The other two were skiers on the boundary. The second was memorable because another fielder came running for the catch (it was coming straight to me) and he knocked the ball and diverted it into the crook of my left elbow, from where I held it aloft. I think we must have won the match.
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Post by: Salvatore on July 24, 2017, 06:26:42 pm
I knew it was Edgbaston. I was playing cricket* that afternoon - it was only a short time after test cricket was played on a Sunday.


I was in my parents' garden building a bike up, putting wheels and suchlike on my new Holdsworth Mistral frame, dashing indoors across the rockery and through the French windows at the fall of each wicket to see the replay, until I gave up and watched the last 5 wickets live. I rode my first 400 and 600 on that bike, but found a crack in the frame in 1989 and had to ride the first LEL on a cobbled-together bike.

On the last day of the Headingley test, I was taking a group of French schoolchildren round Cambridge, and was oblivious to what was going on in Leeds. I only found out from my HoD when he greeted our coach back at our school. The Geography HoD had a TV in his storeroom, and that afternoon he decided to 'stocktake', and on the fall of each wicket he had sent notes to other members of staff he knew would be interested.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 24, 2017, 06:42:43 pm
I'm afraid that my colleagues and I were not so professional. During the Old Trafford test, whilst Willis was on the rampage, the caretaker "did the rounds" and drew it to cricket-oriented staff members' attention that Aussie wickets were falling fast. I merely abandoned my class and went to watch. There were no repercussions: that school was closing/merging with another at the end of the term and I had already found another job in a school down the road.
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Post by: Salvatore on July 24, 2017, 07:45:45 pm
I'm afraid that my colleagues and I were not so professional. During the Old Trafford test, whilst Willis was on the rampage, the caretaker "did the rounds" and drew it to cricket-oriented staff members' attention that Aussie wickets were falling fast. I merely abandoned my class and went to watch. There were no repercussions: that school was closing/merging with another at the end of the term and I had already found another job in a school down the road.

What were you doing in school? The Old Trafford test was in August.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 24, 2017, 10:10:58 pm
The one where Botham score 149 not out and Willis took 8 wickets or something. Was that not OT? *googles* Headingley, as you were...
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Post by: Jaded on July 25, 2017, 12:37:03 am
Headingly. Definitely. I was off work, sick, and was able to watch the denouement on a tiny b&w TV in my bed of sick.
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Post by: Basil on July 27, 2017, 03:02:37 pm
That's a great catch by de Kock. Particularly as he seemed to be wrong footed to start with.
 clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/38520827?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5979f15fe4b0b165a9f7de11%26%26&ns_fee=0#post_5979f15fe4b0b165a9f7de11)
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 27, 2017, 03:08:10 pm
It was!  The Graun's OBO commentators were enthusing about it.
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Post by: citoyen on July 27, 2017, 07:29:58 pm
That's a great catch by de Kock. Particularly as he seemed to be wrong footed to start with.

I was at the Oval today. Didn't have a clear view of the De Kock catch, unfortunately, so wasn't sure it had carried at first.

Very clear view of Rabada's Yorker that did for Malan though. That was one heck of a delivery.

SA's bowling was very disciplined all day. Luckily for England, Cook looks in excellent form.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 27, 2017, 09:00:46 pm
Every report I have read this evening has remarked on Cook's good form.

What odds that he will be out in the first 10 minutes tomorrow?  :P
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Post by: citoyen on July 27, 2017, 10:40:53 pm
Precisely what I'm dreading.
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Post by: Peter on July 28, 2017, 11:56:32 am
Thanks!  This is normal, though; they did the same to Root in the first test.  There was nobody to do it to in the second.
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Post by: Peter on July 28, 2017, 05:13:34 pm
This is really shaping up!  What a debut from Roland-Jones.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 28, 2017, 05:34:27 pm
Quite fun, isn't it?
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Post by: Peter on July 28, 2017, 05:39:46 pm
I'm thinking of putting a bet on "no result" - the weather is appalling up north and forecast to be so for several days.  Need to have it finished for tomorrow night at the Oval, I think.
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Post by: Jaded on July 28, 2017, 06:11:16 pm
I think it needs a Follow-on and a second skittling.
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Post by: citoyen on July 28, 2017, 06:32:34 pm
Ruddy heck. Should have gone to the Oval today instead of yesterday.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 28, 2017, 08:28:47 pm
I think it needs a Follow-on and a second skittling.

A Graun comment was to the effect that since one delivery from someone kept low, that might give England some reason to think twice before enforcing it. but they've got to get the last two out first.
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Post by: Jaded on July 28, 2017, 09:55:58 pm
It might only be one wicket...
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 28, 2017, 11:39:30 pm
It might only be one wicket...

Oh, of course... Wossname's in hospital, isn't he?
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Post by: citoyen on July 29, 2017, 12:09:08 pm
Philander is fit to bat. Wonder if he'll get lots of runs.
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Post by: Jaded on July 29, 2017, 12:14:30 pm
All out now.
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Post by: citoyen on July 31, 2017, 02:33:30 pm
Well, that's one way to wrap up a Test match. Chapeau, Moeen Ali!

Sounds like Toby Roland-Jones was unlucky not to get a hat-trick before lunch as well.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 01, 2017, 08:10:29 am
I have heard a TMS clip in which Aggers read out a press release about the South Africa v RoW matches were to be downgraded from First Class standard and all the runs and wickets should be removed from the record. Boycott, who played in those matches, was getting very hot under the collar, much to Aggers' delight and everyone else's amusement. Was the press release genuine?
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 01, 2017, 08:23:27 am
I understand that it wasn't. Quite amusing though, but I have my misgivings about that sort of practical joke on air. There are bound to be lots of listeners who go away thinking that it was genuine.
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Post by: Jaded on August 01, 2017, 08:25:21 am
It was said at the end that it wasn't genuine.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 01, 2017, 10:26:06 am
But as is always the case with such things, someone puts a clip of video up and that misses out the retraction. The clip I saw had no retraction.
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Post by: Jaded on August 01, 2017, 11:50:17 am
Someone could take a clip about a team's bowling activities and truncate it to one word "Attack". Aggers  says 'attack!'
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Post by: citoyen on August 01, 2017, 12:15:21 pm
I understand that it wasn't. Quite amusing though, but I have my misgivings about that sort of practical joke on air. There are bound to be lots of listeners who go away thinking that it was genuine.

I don't care. If it wound up Boycott, that can only be a good thing.  ;D
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 01, 2017, 01:35:24 pm
Actually, on a second viewing, the clip did show the retraction. I think my phone must have frozen up first time.
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Post by: matthew on August 07, 2017, 11:05:02 am
Whats going on i first class cricket?

20 wickets fall on day one at Lords and 18 fall on day one at Scarborough.  :o Anyone would think they have forgotten how to face a red ball during the 20-20 break.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2017, 02:22:27 pm
That wasn't all:

Hampshire 224 v Lancashire 149
Warwickshire 126 & 109-4 v Middlesex 161
Yorkshire 113 & 22-3 v Essex 231
Somerset 92-3 v Surrey

Lancashire's 149 was the highest first innings in the First Division on Saturday. Something over 50 wickets fell in the 4 First Div matches. I understand that the pitch inspectors are on overtime...

Most importantly, Yorkshire had lost 2 second wickets before they scored a run this morning.

In the time it has taken me to type this Yorks have disintegrated to 37 - 6.  :thumbsup:

I'm glad it's the Scarbados pitch that's being inpsected and not Sarrfend...
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2017, 04:52:40 pm
Yorks 150. Essex need 33 to win.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2017, 06:34:09 pm
And both Essex and England win!

All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds...  :)
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 09, 2017, 12:31:44 pm
The rain seems to be stopping Lancs & Hants making any further progress today. That match being drawn really favours Essex as those two counties are in 2nd & 3rd places respectively.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 19, 2017, 08:12:54 pm
Well, this is looking a bit one-sided...

Is Cook England's best-ever batsman?
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Post by: Peter on August 20, 2017, 03:00:37 am
Ha!  This might help you make your mind up!

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Batting/BattingAverages.asp?Stat=1 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Batting/BattingAverages.asp?Stat=1)
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2017, 09:17:11 am
Well, that was too one-sided to have been enjoyable for anyone other than the England side. It's tragic what has happened to WI cricket.
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Post by: Peter on August 20, 2017, 10:41:53 am
Yes.  I'm probably too sensitive but I turned the radio off when WI were 7 wickets down.  It seemed too intrusive to continue listening.  It seems to be a bad period for West Indies athletics, too - not just Bolt - the wheels seem to have come off fairly comprehensively.  But South Africa was a shock, too.
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Post by: citoyen on August 20, 2017, 12:01:25 pm
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.
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Post by: mattc on August 29, 2017, 06:32:05 pm
Fred Boycott‏ @FredBoycott  Aug 27
Proper Beer Snake
#FromYorkshire https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIP1MT2XYAAy7ok.jpg:large
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 29, 2017, 06:36:43 pm
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.

Erm...
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 29, 2017, 07:36:41 pm
That was very impressive. Well done West Indies!
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Post by: citoyen on August 30, 2017, 08:50:32 am
The current bunch of schoolboys are a far cry from the 1984 team.

Erm...

That's still true. It was a great battling performance and an exciting Test match, but let's see if they can repeat it in the third Test.
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Post by: fasilbalti on August 30, 2017, 09:13:57 am
Credit to Root. His declaration made a game of it.
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Post by: Peter on August 30, 2017, 01:28:54 pm
I agree.  Excellent for cricket.  England doesn't only need a number 3, it quickly needs some fast bowlers to take over from Broad and Anderson.  The Ashes series will be interesting:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41093474
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Post by: Tom B on August 31, 2017, 05:09:32 pm
Meanwhile, in the County Championship:
From a pre-season guide: (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/county-championship-team-by-team-guide-2017)

Essex: "they look a decent bet to consolidate their top-flight status despite being favourites with the bookies for the drop"
Lancashire: "Prediction - 8th" (i.e. bottom)

Next week the two meet at OT in a top-of-the-table clash
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Post by: spesh on August 31, 2017, 09:42:05 pm
Play abandoned after crossbow bolt lands on pitch.  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41103549
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 05, 2017, 01:33:56 pm
Meanwhile, in the County Championship:
From a pre-season guide: (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/county-championship-team-by-team-guide-2017)

Essex: "they look a decent bet to consolidate their top-flight status despite being favourites with the bookies for the drop"
Lancashire: "Prediction - 8th" (i.e. bottom)

Next week the two meet at OT in a top-of-the-table clash

Play abandoned for the day without a ball bowled. Full day forecast for tomorrow but more rain Thursday & Friday apparently.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 06, 2017, 02:24:39 pm
Lancs are 69 for 5. Hameed, their opening batsman, is still there on 11. That's what you call a patient innings.
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Post by: Peter on September 06, 2017, 06:32:05 pm
It's what you call a huge innings with Hameed's form this term.  Talk about the kiss of the commentators.....
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 06, 2017, 06:43:05 pm
He's on 85 now, with Lancashire staging a solid recovery on 222-8. Looking at the forecast, I doubt they will get more than another full day out of the next two.

I don't remember first class matches continuing throughout September when the County Championship was a proper Championship, with 17 teams all playing with no divisions.
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Post by: Peter on September 07, 2017, 02:50:44 am
They have to fit in all the toy town stuff which makes the money, now.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 07, 2017, 12:33:02 pm
290 all out is a brilliant recovery from Lancs. I reckon Essex will be hoping for rain now...

Edit: bugger! Hameed was 9th out for 88, off 360 deliveries, so didn't carry his bat. A vigil like that deserves a mention in the record books.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 07, 2017, 03:57:21 pm
Rain stopped play. I reckon that's it for the day, and tomorrow looks to be showery. I don't think Lancs can lose this, and as long as Essex don't do something really suicidal, they shouldn't either.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 08, 2017, 11:31:10 am
No play before lunch at Old Trafford. England, meanwhile, seem to be grinding their way back into the match.
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Post by: Peter on September 08, 2017, 11:43:08 am
Or not, as the case may be!
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 08, 2017, 04:22:06 pm
Essex seem to be trying to keep the game alive! They declared at 202-8, 92 runs behind. That's pretty shrewd: 200 gives them a batting point, so they gained 4 bonus points from the match. Lancs also have 4 bonus points - 2 batting points for reaching 250 in their innings, and 2 bowling points for taking 8 wickets. Had Lancs taken a 9th wicket, they would have gained another bowling point, whereas Essex would have needed to reach 250 to get their second batting point.

There's is probably little more than another hour to play, so it is extremely unlikely that Lancs will score quickly enough to give themselves a cushion and take 10 Essex second innings wickets to win the match. However, a daring declaration by Lancs could lead to them losing. If that were to happen, Essex would be pretty much there so far as taking the County Championship is concerned.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 08, 2017, 04:27:00 pm
Oh! Match drawn! It's not even 4.30pm on the final day. I must be old fashioned. I thought they carried on until 5.30 at least.
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Post by: Jaded on September 08, 2017, 05:22:05 pm
Nice one Jimmy.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 08, 2017, 06:51:31 pm
Yes, he's been brilliant, hasn't he? I gained the impression, when he started his test career, that of the young bowlers coming through, he was the one I didn't expect to succeed.
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Post by: andyoxon on September 09, 2017, 11:54:54 pm
Yes, well done Jimmy!  Stokes too.

Jimmy in 2003, test debut...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyG56r5mOHc

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Post by: Wowbagger on September 15, 2017, 12:32:55 pm
Essex are County Champions! It's a bit like old times...
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Post by: bobb on September 15, 2017, 12:41:14 pm
Essex are County Champions! It's a bit like old times...

Go Eagles!

I'm not so hot on Ornithology, but I'm pretty sure there are no Eagles in Essex...
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Post by: Peter on September 15, 2017, 12:45:09 pm
No bears in Warwickshire, either; or Tigers in Leicestershire, or Hull.... the list goes on!
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 16, 2017, 09:28:53 am
Actually, it's not a bit like old times. I recall one county championship that Essex won was dependent on the last day between Somerset and Notts - if Notts won they could overtake Essex. Botham had set Notts a very sporting target and then Somerset started taking wickets. Then, Mike Bore came to the wicket.

*googles*

Oh, there's a whole piece about it on Wikipedia!

Quote
Bore played an important role in the remarkable climax to the 1984 County Championship, which saw Essex and Nottinghamshire neck and neck at the top of the table. Essex had won their final game against Lancashire in two days, but if Nottinghamshire could beat Somerset the title would belong to Trent Bridge. Nottinghamshire were set 297 in 60 overs by Ian Botham, and needed 36 from the last three overs. The last pair were at the wicket, with one of them being the archetypal non batsman, Bore. Clive Rice and Bore recalled the game in 2006 for Cricinfo.

Rice: If you knew Mike, then believe me, every run he made was an unexpected bonus. I wasn't daring even to watch. No one was allowed to move inside the dressing room. Everyone stayed in their seats as we got closer and closer.

Mike Bore: If it was pitched on the off stump, I thought, I'll hit it straight. If it's on my legs, I'll sweep it.

Remarkably, Bore found the middle of the bat time and again, and when the last over started, another 14 runs were needed. Stephen Booth bowled the first ball of the season's last over and Bore scored a boundary. The second ball went to the ropes again, and the third went for two runs. Nottinghamshire needed four more runs from three balls to complete a remarkable win. Bore blocked the fourth ball and Andy Pick, Nottinghamshire's number 11, walked down the pitch to ask "What did you do that for?" "It wasn't in the right place." Bore replied. The next delivery saw Bore launch a blow towards the stands. The crowd and the entire Nottingham team were on their feet and Bore thought, as soon as he'd hit it, "That's it, we've won". However Somerset's Richard Ollis ran in and caught the ball above his head, just ten feet from the boundary. Nottinghamshire had lost by three runs and Bore's innings had been in vain. As Bore related in an interview with Simon Lister "We were stunned. We got in the car and I don't think we spoke a word until we were well past Gloucester. No matter how many times I lie in bed and replay that ball I never score those four runs".

Being without the Internet, as it was 1984, we were reliant on hourly updates on Radio 2. The final update coincided with the start of the last over so they had live commentary. I almost went into meltdown when I thought that Essex were about to have the title snatched away from them. Now, I think "Oh, Essex are Champions! That's nice!"

I read on that Wiki page that Mike Bore died earlier this year. That has made me rather sad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bore
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Post by: Torslanda on September 16, 2017, 11:37:32 pm
No bears in Warwickshire, either; or Tigers in Leicestershire, or Hull.... the list goes on!

I was near Hull the other day. Wouldn't be so sure . . .  :-\
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 20, 2017, 10:02:44 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41301

Lord Mayor's Show and all that...
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 20, 2017, 06:30:18 pm
Essex followed on, but now have a lead. They might still make a game of it...
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 21, 2017, 02:28:11 pm
Damn! The start at Southampton has been delayed. Essex are 48 ahead, having followed on, with 7 second innings wickets left. On the grounds that batting last is never easy, if Essex can set a target in excess of 150 I reckon they are in with a fighting chance of winning the game.

*looks at forecast*

Hmm - heavy rain until 4pm. I doubt they will get any play today.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 22, 2017, 11:15:52 am
It looks as though Essex will lose. Only 94 ahead with 3 wickets left, and all day left to play.

Correction: 2 wickets left.
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Post by: Peter on September 22, 2017, 06:53:35 pm
Well, what an extraordinary result!  Congratulations to Essex.  Have to wonder what the betting patterns were like.....!
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 23, 2017, 04:50:22 pm
Blimey! Just saw this result - I had given up on it when I went out yesterday.
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Post by: Jaded on September 24, 2017, 02:26:10 pm
Moeen is getting stuck in.
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 26, 2017, 04:22:11 pm
Essex establish a big first innings lead over Yorks in a low-scoring game. Not at the end of day 2 yet, and Essex have lost two 2nd innings wickets cheaply.

I have a big problem with county cricket these days: I don't know who anyone is! The last time Essex did anything was 25 years ago and everything has changed since then. I don't even know if anyone televises county cricket any more. One-day matches used to get a lot of publicity: B & H and Gillette Cups, as well as the John Player League, were all on BBC, and even the occasional 3-day county match was covered. Now, of course, good quality cameras are everywhere, but finding the matches is quite hard.

Is there anyone on here who follows county cricket any more? Or is it just me that has lost the ability to find out what is going on? Even the Grauniad doesn't seem to have the scorecards published anywhere.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 26, 2017, 07:04:52 pm
Essex finish day 2 250 ahead with 8 second innings wickets intact. 2 days left. Declare at tea time tomorrow with a lead of 500 and beat Yorks by 350 runs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on September 27, 2017, 02:28:06 am
Essex establish a big first innings lead over Yorks in a low-scoring game. Not at the end of day 2 yet, and Essex have lost two 2nd innings wickets cheaply.

I have a big problem with county cricket these days: I don't know who anyone is! The last time Essex did anything was 25 years ago and everything has changed since then. I don't even know if anyone televises county cricket any more. One-day matches used to get a lot of publicity: B & H and Gillette Cups, as well as the John Player League, were all on BBC, and even the occasional 3-day county match was covered. Now, of course, good quality cameras are everywhere, but finding the matches is quite hard.

Is there anyone on here who follows county cricket any more? Or is it just me that has lost the ability to find out what is going on? Even the Grauniad doesn't seem to have the scorecards published anywhere.

Yes, P, I follow county cricket - it's the only way to find out what the South Africans and New Zealanders are up to (moving to Lancashire and going to prison, respectively).  Switch TV on (making sure there is enough coal in the furnace), tune in to BBC 1 or 2, bring up text, 340 for cricket, check scores.  You can also check BBCSport on your computer and follow the menus.  There is no paywall.

HTH

Peter
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 27, 2017, 09:26:46 am
Yes, I appreciate that county scores can be found, but there was a time when every national daily would carry at least a synopsis of the day's play in each match.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 27, 2017, 09:27:26 am
So will be interesting to see how England fare today, with Roy back in the side.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on September 27, 2017, 10:05:52 am
England Ashes squad: Joe Root (capt), Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Dawid Malan, Gary Ballance, James Vince, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Ben Foakes (wk), Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Jake Ball, Mason Crane, Craig Overton.

Stokes, Woakes and Foakes...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 27, 2017, 09:23:20 pm
Bloody hell! I haven't followed cricket for over 20 years - I last watched a day of first class cricket at St. Helen's -  Glamorgan v Essex in Swansea in 1995. Ronny Irani and Nasser Hussein were batting. I don't think Glamorgan play at St. Helens any more - the ground where Garfield Sobers hit his 6 sixes.

Essex have won the championship with 10 wins and 4 draws, the first time ever that they have gone a whole season unbeaten, it seems. Today they rolled Yorks over for 74, their lowest score this century. In the match, only 4 Yorkshiremen reached double figures (the Four Yorkshiremen of the Apocolypse?).

I wish I could say I supported them now. I don't - cricket has absented itself from the list of things I take a keen interest in. My interest this season is the equivalent of my interest, and a lot of other people's on this forum, in Leicester City's Premiership title of last year. I don't know anything about the players. I haven't watched any matches. No doubt next season Essex will disappear into obscurity once again and will probably be relegated from the "First Division" of the County Championship. (How can you have two divisions and both of them be regarded as "first class" matches? That's nonsense.)

I loved the Heath Robinson affair that was Essex Cricket in the 1970s and 1980s. I went to a lot of matches, knew a lot about the players, and in some cases was the "one man sans dog" at the pavilion end. I loved the fact that they had a Travelling Scoreboard - an old furniture van painted matt black and with holes cut in the sides, and towed around the county to the different grounds they used: Chalkwell Park, Southchurch Park, Valentines Park, Castle Park, Leyton, Brentwood. All now deleted from the fixture list.

It's big business now. There are floodlights at Chelmsford and I think they even held an ODI there.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 28, 2017, 08:48:26 am
And a masterful reading of the D-L-S system as the rain came in.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on September 28, 2017, 04:16:58 pm
Ben Stokes and Alex Hales dropped by England after Bristol incident

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41433110
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on September 28, 2017, 05:08:43 pm
The way I read that, they are not necessarily out of the Ashes:


Quote
What the ECB says

"Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the ongoing police investigation into an incident in Bristol in the early hours of Monday 25 September," said the ECB in a statement.

"Andrew Strauss, director of England Cricket, will today refer the internal disciplinary procedure for these two players to the Cricket Discipline Commission, chaired by Tim O'Gorman.

"These decisions, fully supported by ECB chairman Colin Graves, were made following the release of footage viewed by ECB for the first time on Wednesday."


So the CDC <snigger> gets to decide their (short-term) future. Unless criminal proceedings overtake matters ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 17, 2017, 08:08:20 am
So, The Ashes, any views on how the series will turn out, it starts next week.

I don’t think it is going to be one sided, but can’t really call one way or the other.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 17, 2017, 08:35:51 am
And meanwhile, the Women's Ashes are slipping away in the first T20.  :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 17, 2017, 01:17:48 pm
Looking forward to the Ashes.   England could probably do with Stokes...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 22, 2017, 08:25:55 pm
England have apparently only won 2 tests at the Gabba since WW2.   Let's see...   :)

Any daily highlights on terrestrial TV/anywhere?  All on BT Sport it seems.  So TMS, and YT pickings then
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on November 22, 2017, 10:03:56 pm
Any daily highlights on terrestrial TV/anywhere?  All on BT Sport it seems.  So TMS, and YT pickings then
The highlights will be free on BTSport.com (and BT SPort App) each evening from 7pm.
http://sport.bt.com/cricket/free-ashes-highlights-how-to-watch-australia-v-england-best-bits-with-bt-sport-S11364222752132

Whether that will be a proper programme or just some video clips I don't know
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 12:09:21 am
The sport app is good for cricket, the Women’s Ashes Test was free on it. I guess Sky weren’t horribly bothered about losing a series of overnight matches.

Listening on TMS at the moment, it’s not the same as being there, or watching live.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 12:13:31 am
Hmmm, bad start.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2017, 12:25:49 am
Indeed.   Another few mins for me on tms, then find out what's occurred in a few hours time.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 12:27:27 am
Yes, me too!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 06:21:52 am
Woke up just after the 2nd wicket. Looks like a productive day for England so far.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2017, 08:03:11 am
An important partnership to build now.

Quite a good live page - with stats  http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/live
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on November 23, 2017, 09:18:11 am
An acceptable first day I thought. Only watched the first five overs and listened to a little this morning but it's not a bad start.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on November 23, 2017, 10:07:36 am
An acceptable first day I thought. Only watched the first five overs and listened to a little this morning but it's not a bad start.

Not too bad at all, all things considered - namely the build up, selection issues, England's history at the Gabba and then losing Cook so early.
Think I'll be following the same procedure as a few others here - first few overs at night then catch up early morning.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on November 23, 2017, 03:21:27 pm
Are they starting at 11.30 or 10.30 GMT tonight??  :-\
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2017, 03:34:44 pm
From the SMH...

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Heading into this series, England had three weak links in their batting department and they all left their mark. Mark Stoneman and James Vince played really well to prove their mettle while Dawid Malan after a nervy beginning has also shown his class. The morning session tomorrow will be very crucial and both teams will be eager to seize the initiative. Tomorrow there is an early start. Do join us at 0930 local time (2330 GMT previous day) for all the action. Cheers!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 04:02:28 pm
I believe it’s 11:30pm tonight to make up for the 9.3 overs lost today
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on November 23, 2017, 05:07:02 pm
Ta  :thumbsup:   I'll probably catch the first 30 mins again.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 23, 2017, 05:15:36 pm
Finding a video of Lyon's run-out of Vince is worth it. It was outstanding, even though it was by an Aussie  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2017, 08:20:40 pm
BT Sports highlights ~8mins  http://sport.bt.com/cricket-01364050608536    (thanks mcshroom)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 24, 2017, 09:08:56 am
Early wickets next session would be good.  Weather is looking dodgy - so perhaps a draw is likely...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 24, 2017, 09:22:49 am
We started well in  their innings, yes a good start tonight is what we need.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on November 24, 2017, 01:08:56 pm
Is anyone hacked off by BT sport yet?

I mean the coverage is OK but there's a lot of chatting in the commentary box that has nothing to do with what's actually happening on the field. I'd put test match special on the radio and just watch the pictures but the pics are about 3 minutes behind the radio!

It's the scheduling that really annoys me. I only watch rallying and now Cricket on BT sport but I've never found a highlights show that actually gets broadcast at the time it should be broadcast. Once again I recorded the highlights yesterday afternoon whilst out at work and got half an hour of a Rugby show (also not live) at the beginning and therefore missed the last half hour of the highlights I had recorded.

Not to mention if I want to watch England play at home next summer I also need sky sports - how is that giving more choice it's just forcing the viewer to have to pay more!

Anyway rant over and sorry, this should be about cricket and not broadcasting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 24, 2017, 07:01:37 pm
I mean the coverage is OK but there's a lot of chatting in the commentary box that has nothing to do with what's actually happening on the field.

Err, isn't that what TMS have been doing for decades?  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on November 24, 2017, 07:52:04 pm
I like TMS but you're right - it precedes Bake Off by about 50 years and has the advantage of being interesting.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 25, 2017, 12:27:13 am
This reminds me of when I was a kid - hiding a wireless under the covers listening to the cricket when my mother had specifically told me to go to sleep  :P

Of course, I could just go downstairs and watch it on TV, but there's something comforting about lying in bed listening to TMS  :)

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 25, 2017, 01:35:02 am
Mitchell Starc, you utter bellend  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 25, 2017, 07:45:51 am
Hmmm. Not a good score to wake up to. Was looking acceptable until the 2 England wickets
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 25, 2017, 08:55:37 am
What's up with Cook do you think?  The hook was poor apparently.

Anyway, hopefully a captain's innings coming up from Root.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on November 25, 2017, 09:21:06 am
This reminds me of when I was a kid - hiding a wireless under the covers listening to the cricket when my mother had specifically told me to go to sleep  :P

Not much has changed for me, still do exactly that - other than there's nobody telling me to go to sleep and I've dumped the wireless for an iphone !

Cometh the hour, cometh the man, and all that....
Smith did it for the Aussies now Root has to step forward. No pressure Joe :-)
Difficult situation, but still loads to play for.
Fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 26, 2017, 07:03:44 am
 I wake up to see that normal service has been resumed.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 26, 2017, 07:53:28 am
At least we made it to day 5
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 26, 2017, 08:50:37 am
It's the Gabba I guess.  Aus bowlers had a good spread of wickets, though England's higher order batters 1-5, didn't manage as many runs, as #6-8. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on November 26, 2017, 09:43:26 am
Oh well, welcome to an Ashes series down under.
It's tough for the bowlers, after having slogged away in the the first innings, to come out with such an uninspiring target to bowl at.
Also psychologically very good for the Aussies not having to call on Smith yet to get the runs either.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Carlosfandango on November 26, 2017, 11:00:51 am
Oh dear, Cook out of form, spinner can't spin, couple of old medium pacers leading the bowling "attack", tail bounced out, looks like another 5-0.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 26, 2017, 11:36:48 am
I notice Betfair are offering 275/1 for a draw. I also notice the Met Office are predicting potential rain in Brisbane tomorrow. Worth a quid?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 26, 2017, 11:46:54 am
9 hours of showers would be good...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Carlosfandango on November 26, 2017, 12:09:38 pm
Aussies will only need one dry hour.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 26, 2017, 12:12:32 pm
Yes, and after a few poss showers, weather will be good in pm.  Looks like Gabba is a loss.  Unless Aus has one of the worst batting collapses in the history of the game, or a truely impressive series of dot balls.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mcshroom on November 26, 2017, 01:48:13 pm
Short of Broad having another day like Trent Bridge I think it's safe to say this one's dead.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on November 27, 2017, 07:56:53 am
Oh well, we need to win the next one...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: T42 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:00 am
Me: I see England got hammered in the Ashes

Mrs. T42: Oh? Who by?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 27, 2017, 10:06:38 am
Cricinfo Adelaide stats (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;ground=131;host=2;spanmin1=15+Mar+1940;spanval1=span;team=1;template=results;type=aggregate;view=results)  England have a slightly better record at the A Oval, than the WACA (one win/two draws since 70)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on November 27, 2017, 12:47:40 pm
I have placed (perhaps rather foolishly) a two pound bet on England to win the Ashes. Unsurpisingly, the odds weren't too bad  :P
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on November 27, 2017, 01:00:49 pm
I have placed (perhaps rather foolishly) a two pound bet on England to win the Ashes. Unsurpisingly, the odds weren't too bad  :P

Shades of Rodney Marsh and Dennis Lillee?  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 02, 2017, 08:31:00 am
Apparently, there's a seagull at deep square leg...

Wicket before the break would be good.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 04, 2017, 04:36:12 pm
Salvage a draw?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on December 04, 2017, 05:33:02 pm
Not a chance, either


a) we skittle the remaining 6 Aussie wickets out in the first session tomorrow and have to chase ~320 in 5 and a bit sessions target 4 sessions so that you don't have to bat the fifth day under lights

or

b) The Aussies bat on and set us a target of ~450 in 4 and a bit sessions to save the game including two spells with a new ball under lights

And I don't fancy our rabbits in a headlights, walking wickets ,sorry, batsmens chances of achieving either option.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 04, 2017, 05:48:34 pm
We just need a draw, then a win and two more draws. Or a win and another win and a draw.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on December 04, 2017, 10:33:27 pm
under lights

or

under lights

Fascinating to hear the coverage of 'under lights' and how the ball started doing all kinds if stuff.....it's obviously a big deal - bit like entering the lions den - survive if you can. No better bowler than Andersen in those conditions. He's world class. But tomorrow morning will no be under lights. And then we have to bat under the lights to save the game.

At least it's given them some kind of platform to feel encouraged and positive about something and not so desperately deflated with how they've been performing at times.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 05, 2017, 07:21:56 am
Possible for England, though unlikely. 

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 05, 2017, 07:33:12 am
Bah!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 05, 2017, 07:35:26 am
Let's see what Root can do.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 05, 2017, 09:50:39 am
Someone needs to get a 100+

Malan's been dropped, so now onto 150...  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 05, 2017, 10:27:58 am
154-3, with a 60-run partnership; at least that shows a bit of fight, and we'll lose by less than 300 :P

Still an absurd long shot of course. I had a glimmer of hope until we lost the 2nd wicket way too early ...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: citoyen on December 05, 2017, 10:45:26 am
we'll lose by less than 300 :P

It's saying something that this would look like a good result after how things stood at the end of the second day.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 05, 2017, 10:51:28 am
... and our 2nd Innings has now lasted longer than theirs  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: pcolbeck on December 05, 2017, 11:08:58 am
Blimey half way there!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 05, 2017, 12:28:49 pm
I think we're 1 run short of half-way, but no matter!

Interesting betting odds factoid: England are 14/1 to win...

... This is the same as the odds for Ireland beating Pakistan.   At home.  In May 2018.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on December 05, 2017, 05:46:51 pm
Terrific listening this morning, what a game!
Cracked me up with all reports of the BA making the DRS hand signals every time there was an appeal by the Aus bowlers.
All complete nonsense but great fun if you're out there :-)
You've still got to fancy the Aussies, but Smith could do well by ordering a few more rolls of toilet paper before the game's up.
If I wasn't working, I'd set the alarm for 3am...but alas!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 05, 2017, 06:25:22 pm
Looks like BTSport have removed free access highlights.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 05, 2017, 10:39:11 pm
Who knows if England can pull it off, but looking at the aussie press atm is quite fun.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 06, 2017, 03:47:17 am
Oh dear. Back to sleep, I th8nk.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 06, 2017, 07:09:42 am
I guess it was the most likely outcome.

Still, England will win at the WACA; they will...

</voice from the future> hahaha
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: citoyen on December 06, 2017, 08:53:27 am
Woke up at 6. Put the radio on. Turned it off and went back to sleep.

The result was inevitable but I was hoping they’d at least make it to lunch.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on December 06, 2017, 10:05:58 pm
Thing is though.......I loved the feeling of having a dream for those few hours - can they do it? Everybody's talking about it [well in my circles they were!] Dream on baby. Something out of the ordinary, something different, something almost impossible that was, all of a sudden, maybe just possible, and if it happens, imagine what it would be like to indulge in a different realm for just a few hours/days to brighten up the routine of a day that was most probably just the same as yesterday for most people.

As you were :-)

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on December 06, 2017, 10:15:31 pm
6am start on my bedside radio disabled.   :(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 06, 2017, 10:17:53 pm
It’s OK. You have a week before the next pain.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on December 07, 2017, 08:27:06 am
Thing is though.......I loved the feeling of having a dream for those few hours - can they do it? Everybody's talking about it [well in my circles they were!] Dream on baby. Something out of the ordinary, something different, something almost impossible that was, all of a sudden, maybe just possible, and if it happens, imagine what it would be like to indulge in a different realm for just a few hours/days to brighten up the routine of a day that was most probably just the same as yesterday for most people.

As you were :-)
Well put sir!

It's not all about the result.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 13, 2017, 06:28:23 pm
Not too hot in Perth, some rain towards the end of the test...  http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2063523

Bairstow going to No6 apparently.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on December 14, 2017, 10:01:17 am
What time (GMT) did play begin?  I'm guessing 3am.  Would that be right?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 14, 2017, 10:07:06 am
Maybe. It’s just finished for the day.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on December 14, 2017, 10:09:42 am
What time (GMT) did play begin?  I'm guessing 3am.  Would that be right?

The first over on the BBC site was at 2.30am.

Not a bad first day.... I started listening at 7am when England looked in trouble but an excellent partnership later leaves the visitors in a reasonable place.  Who knows, England could go on and build a huge total and then bowl the Australians out for a couple of dozen.....  ;D

Edit to add.... I was joking above but according to the BBC, England have never lost at the Waca when they have scored 300 in the first innings so who knows......
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 14, 2017, 09:47:02 pm
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on December 15, 2017, 07:34:46 am
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...

Got up just after 3am for a toilet break and checked the scores..... 340 for 4 if I remember correctly. "Not bad" I thought.

Checked again at 7.15am...... "England being England" I noted with a sigh.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 15, 2017, 07:35:51 am
Can't help feeling we'll be waking up to early wickets having fallen, but you never know...

Only 8 wickets so far.

These were ours...

“Six wickets, 35 runs, 51 balls, 48 minutes.”

But at least we got two of theirs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on December 15, 2017, 10:39:26 am
Australia 203-3 at stumps.  Oh.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on December 15, 2017, 11:25:30 pm
Michael Vaughan's comment: "Smith is 92 not out and he's played with a cigar in his mouth,"...was classic.
Nuff said.
Think Englands resort to sledging in the second test to get him out was at least this: very successful!
Bowling's a waste of time :-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on December 16, 2017, 08:13:05 am
Been watching the match on the Guardian site since I got up..... a few excellent updates to give a taste of the day...

115th over: Australia 421-4 (Smith 182, M Marsh 100) Broad ushers Marsh closer to his first Test hundred with a short, wide delivery that is flashed through backward point for four. That takes him to 96, and a fast-handed square drive for four brings up a brilliant maiden century! Well played Mitchell Marsh! He snaps his head back and lets out a primeval roar. Wonderful stuff.

That was a memorable celebration. He coudn’t get his helmet off fast enough; he was like a horny virgin in a teen film, frantically undressing lest the moment pass. Jonny Bairstow was among the England players to applaud a classic Waca hundred, full of emphatic cuts and straight drives. It took just 130 balls, with 17 pristine fours. And with that, it’s time for tea.



Then...

It’s been England’s session: they restricted Australia to 107 runs in the session for the loss of no wick- oh I can’t be bothered. Australia have been brilliant, England’s have been broken.

Finally...

126th over: Australia 460-4 (Smith 200, M Marsh 121) That’s it! Smith works Moeen to leg to reach an immense, inevitable double-century. It’s been a masterpiece of authority, ruthlessness and skill. He is an absolute genius, the best Test cricketer in the world by a million miles. And statistically, he is the greatest batsman since Don Bradman. Just let that marinate for a bit.

Right, off to do some shopping with just under 2 hours of the day left.... what's to say Australia bat for another hour and get 520 or so and then put England in.... 45 for 3 when I get back???


Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on December 16, 2017, 08:15:51 am
Hmmm. Today does look like it’s been a bit one sided.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on December 16, 2017, 08:40:59 am
Probably all over for Perth, & the Ashes now.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: toontra on December 16, 2017, 01:19:49 pm
It's time for Boycott to get shown the door at TMS.  Today he repeated practically verbatim the same laboured points every time he was on-air.  I counted 6 rants about how he "wasn't anti-patriotic but just stating the facts" and that England don't stand a chance down under without proper fast and spin bowlers.

I know he's largely there for his (unintended) comedy value as a grumpy northerner but he's now plagiarising as well as parodying himself.  The licence payer simply isn't getting value for money. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: bobb on December 16, 2017, 01:32:03 pm
He also constantly states the obvious: "England need to score more runs", "England need to take more wickets".

He is amusingly thick skinned though. When Aggers is taking the piss out of him, he could say "BOYCOTT, YOU ARE A CUNT!" and it'd still go straight over his head...

I agree, time to go....
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Post by: Carlosfandango on December 16, 2017, 01:50:38 pm
Swan is an utter bellend too. TMS has gone downhill I'm afraid.

Mind you it's tough being a summariser when England are getting an absolute tonking, what can you say?
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Post by: toontra on December 16, 2017, 02:22:37 pm
Swan is an utter bellend too. TMS has gone downhill I'm afraid.


Agree about Swan.  Fine spin bowler he may have been but he's an arrogant and patronising knob-end. 

TBH I wish there had been more from some of the female TMS squad - better observations, generally more professional and less of the pseudo-humorous banter.
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Post by: Carlosfandango on December 16, 2017, 02:49:07 pm
Yep, Ebony Rainford Brent and Alison Mitchell are both good.
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Post by: Von Broad on December 16, 2017, 04:37:42 pm
If we were actually still in the game or the series, none of us would be going on about Boycott, but rather focusing on events out on the pitch. I do agree with you, but I don't have as strong a reaction to him as some. I also feel that commentators, whoever they are, are left with little else to say other than the bleeding obvious when we're getting completely and comprehensively stuffed out of sight.
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Post by: andyoxon on December 17, 2017, 08:59:08 am
Shame that Cook has been struggling, this innings 14 is more or less his series average...  A decent score now and again may have 'set the tone'.  S'pose it's Aus bowlers on Aus wickets...
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Post by: Von Broad on December 17, 2017, 09:54:40 am
Just had a look at Vince's dismissal. Oh boy.....unplayable! Shame, he was going great.
And Root's wicket....well...captain's innings to save the game, first ball, dreadful shot.

Rain in the morning looks promising though :)
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Post by: mattc on December 17, 2017, 02:17:10 pm
Boycott is a somewhat annoying know-it-all, but he has a key place in the comm box; noone has close to his experience of playing at the highest level. (although Vaughan often thinks he does ... )

Anyway, they form a team, that's the beauty of TMS. There is usually someone around to gently take the piss out of Geoffrey, and when there isn't, there will be a different pair with a different style along in a minute. Vic Marks, Blofeld, Aggers, Tufnell ... plus plenty of guys* from the other test-playing nations who bring their own perspective. New blood is always arriving - Ed Smith has immense knowledge (though I find him a bit shouty, but hopefully he'll mellow nicely with age!)

[I'm amazed that peeps find Swann to be " an arrogant and patronising knob-end". I listened to quite a long summary of his this morning, he was nothing like that. But still, if you feel that way, Aggers & co do provide a contrasting style :). I do think that Vaughan would be bottom of my dinner-party-invite-list - he'd drive me mad - but he does have relevant experience. ]

Glenn McGrath has been good value on this tour. I liked his suggestion that they should draw a crack on the wicket, to mark where Anderson should be bowling :P



*Yes I'm aware of the low number of non-guys  :-\
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Post by: bobb on December 17, 2017, 05:20:07 pm
I actually like Swann - especially when he and Alison have a bit of flirtatious banter....
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Post by: Wowbagger on December 17, 2017, 08:01:32 pm
I actually like Swann - especially when he and Alison have a bit of flirtatious banter....

I think you should write a song about them (A Swann Song?).
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Post by: matthew on December 18, 2017, 06:36:33 pm
quelle surprise. Woke up just in time to hear Moeen's wicket fall and didn't bother from then on.
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Post by: citoyen on December 25, 2017, 11:43:29 pm
After England lost the toss, I’m tempted to put a bet on Aus scoring 600+ and winning by an innings. 
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Post by: Jaded on December 27, 2017, 02:07:11 am
Quite a good first session today.
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Post by: mattc on December 27, 2017, 08:46:27 am
After England lost the toss, I’m tempted to put a bet on Aus scoring 600+ and winning by an innings.
Well, if they'd been 2 separate bets, you could rip one slip up this morning.
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Post by: Jaded on December 27, 2017, 08:54:14 am
Quite a good second session.

Quite a good third session.
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 27, 2017, 09:04:44 am
Quite a dead rubber...
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Post by: mattc on December 27, 2017, 09:06:28 am
Quite a dead rubber...
No need to rub it in cobber  :hand:

( But do you think Smith doesn't care about the result? )
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 27, 2017, 09:13:12 am
Oh, this match's result counts for bragging rights but the overall counts for more.
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Post by: Jaded on December 27, 2017, 09:20:33 am
Yes, agreed. 3-2 would be a good result.
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Post by: andyoxon on December 27, 2017, 09:20:49 am
England also still need to avoid a second sucessive 5-0 whitewash.

A good MCG spell, something to build on, maybe...
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Post by: mattc on December 27, 2017, 09:21:44 am
Oh, this match's result counts for bragging rights but the overall counts for more.

Are you sure? I heard (very early) this morning that they'd agreed to play Double-or-Quits.
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 27, 2017, 09:35:36 am
Is it the start of April already?
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Post by: Jaded on December 27, 2017, 09:40:15 am
Anyway, Australia suffered from an attack of dragons.
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Post by: citoyen on December 27, 2017, 09:57:31 am
Good of Cook to finally turn up to the series. A bit late though.
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Post by: Von Broad on December 27, 2017, 10:24:22 am
Thing about Cook not performing is it's put extra pressure on Stoneman and Vince so early on in the order. Good to see him get some runs though. He's a class player.
Such a frustrating series. You can't argue with 3-0 down. We've been in most of the games some of the time, but you need to be all of the time. Especially out there!

88,000 people there yesterday....amazing!
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Post by: Jaded on December 28, 2017, 08:25:29 am
Three more good sessions.
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Post by: mattc on December 28, 2017, 08:41:08 am
Three more good sessions.
They're doing alright, aren't they?

Craziest stat from Cook's innings is that he's jumped from 9th to 6th in the all-time test figures in just one knock.

(He'd probably like to be 5th of course; Kumar Sangakkara is less than 500 ahead, so that looks doable if he plays another series.)


Meanwhile, hats off to the Aussies for grabbing the key wicket of Broad; if it wasn't for this fine catch, him and Cook might have put the match out of reach:

(http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sportal_com_au/18/bc/usman-khawaja-catch_1c14yc6zuzzj91icircoe70bvk.jpg)
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Post by: andyoxon on December 28, 2017, 01:00:10 pm
There were a couple of no-DRS blunders - which may have reduced the runs total, but well done to Cook. Will be good if he manages to 'carry his bat' and pick up that record too.
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 28, 2017, 01:45:19 pm
Three more good sessions.

Always good to see the English team perform well when it really counts.
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Post by: andyoxon on December 28, 2017, 02:01:36 pm
Aus press moaning about the MCG pitch...

Quote
Self-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.
smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)
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Post by: Jaded on December 28, 2017, 02:22:02 pm
Three more good sessions.

Always good to see the English team perform well when it really counts.
Awww. Just because Australia is suffering from the same loss of key players and there’s a faint possiblbity they might not get 5-0...
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 28, 2017, 02:32:37 pm
The series is won. The job is done. Anything else is just a bonus.
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Post by: Jaded on December 28, 2017, 03:51:38 pm
I don't think I've ever heard an Aussie say they don't mind losing at cricket to England.
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Post by: andyoxon on December 28, 2017, 03:53:47 pm
Since 2000 both England and Australia have won 4 out of 5 of their home Ashes series.  The last time Aus won in England was 2001, and Eng in Aus was 2010/11.  Home advantage does seem significant.
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Post by: Wowbagger on December 28, 2017, 07:36:47 pm
My interpretation of the Sydney Morning Herald piece was "What's the matter with those weirdos in Melbourne not making sure the pitch favoured Aus?"
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Post by: Von Broad on December 28, 2017, 09:59:42 pm
The series is won. The job is done. Anything else is just a bonus.

LWaB, I don't doubt you are an intelligent man....but what you've written here is complete and utter nonsense.

The Australians like beating the English at cricket, doesn't matter what the contest, nor when the contest or the context.
The English and Welsh like beating the Australians, doesn't matter what the contest, nor when the contest or the context.

That's why the contest has survived for so long and still captures the imagination. In the best possible way.

Off the pitch, they are mates.....so close in fact they start beating each other up in bars....but you can blame that on the beer :-)
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Post by: citoyen on December 29, 2017, 12:07:20 am
Aus press moaning about the MCG pitch...

Quote
Self-interest was turned upside down and inside out during Thursday's fluctuations at the MCG. It had been this kind of Test match since Boxing Day. This event has been staged on a platform, more a false floor than a pitch, that has minimised and perhaps even nullified the home team's advantages, while preserving Australian curators' reputation for bloody-minded independence. If this was pitch doctoring, it was the kind of medicine that is, after all, becoming legal in Victoria. Here, groundsmen do what they do, national self-interest be damned.
smh (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-201718-selfinterest-turned-upside-down-and-inside-out-on-fluctuating-day-20171228-h0b3ij.html)

Interesting and perceptive piece highlighting the shortcomings of both sides, as well as the pitch. I did wonder if Mitchell Starc's injury would have been so debilitating if the series hadn't already been tied up...

Home advantage is over-rated. I remember being at Headingley in the early 90s to see Boon, Border and the Waughs tear England's bowlers apart, and Hughes and Warne doing the same to England's batsmen. None of Australia's current squad of journeymen would have broken into that line-up, not even Smith. And definitely not Tim Paine. What has set Australia apart from England in this series so far is discipline and focus - Aus have had plenty of it, England have had none, until this match, and even in this match it's only really Broad and Cook who have shone.

This match is far from over though. Aus could easily wipe out their deficit before tea today and establish a decent lead by the middle of the morning session tomorrow, then skittle through a nervy England in the final two sessions to steal the win. (Not that I'm going to put money on any predictions, not after my previous rash attempt at guessing how it would pan out.)
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Post by: Jaded on December 29, 2017, 12:10:12 am
From the Beeb.
Quote
Alastair Cook is the first England opener to carry his bat since Michael Atherton at Christchurch in 1997

He is the first opener to carry his bat in an Ashes Test since Geoffrey Boycott at Perth in 1979

He is the first opener to carry his bat in a Test at the MCG

His 244 not out is the highest score by an opener carrying his bat, beating New Zealander Glenn Turner's unbeaten 223 in 1972
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Post by: citoyen on December 29, 2017, 12:21:51 am
And of course "carrying your bat" is much harder now, given how heavy the damn things are these days.
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Post by: Wowbagger on December 29, 2017, 01:18:03 am
I would argue that he didn't carry his bat as there was another not out batsman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_the_bat

For clarity, I checked the Wiki definition after I typed the first sentence.

Edit: scratch that. The Graun page I was reading hadn't been updated correctly and it showed England as 491-9 and Aus at 65-2 in the second innings.
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Post by: Wowbagger on December 30, 2017, 01:51:18 am
It just dawned on me that about this time last year my daughter suggested that Jan and I go to Aus for a month to visit her while the Ashes were on. Bloody glad I didn't accept the invitation! (We couldn't have gone anyway, having Aunt Phyllis to look after).
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Post by: Jaded on December 30, 2017, 01:53:19 am
It’s raining.
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Post by: Wowbagger on December 30, 2017, 01:55:33 am
It is here as well! I don't need to go to Melbourne to sit in the rain...
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Post by: Jaded on December 30, 2017, 01:58:44 am
There are plenty of seats available.
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Post by: andyoxon on December 30, 2017, 12:25:54 pm
Oh well, 5-0 whitewash averted at least.  See what happens at SCG.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 05, 2018, 07:21:12 am
England currently being frustrated by Australian batsmen, no real surprise there. 
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Post by: bobb on January 05, 2018, 10:48:45 am
My dad bought this at a charity event last night. Obviously worthless, but a nice little item. Signed by Essex CCC circa 1999.

(http://www.zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/ws-small.jpg) (http://www.zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/ws-large.jpg)

Naturally, it's a Warsop-Stebbing. I'd recommend a vist to their facilities, although they've moved from their original location and I'm not sure if you can just rock up there anymore...

Edit: Most bats you see cricketers use - no matter what they are branded - are actually made from Essex willow and turned into bats by Warsop-Stebbing...
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Post by: gibbo on January 05, 2018, 02:59:32 pm
I had a few WS bats when I used to play. Absolutely loved them and always got them to put an extra rubber on to make the handle a bit thicker. Scored a couple of tons too and got the same bat signed by Nasser Hussein when he was England captain. Rather sadly, after digging out a yorker length ball the toe split beyond repair. I still kept the bat, no idea why, and when I finally stopped playing burnt the bat in a similar fashion the urn - sad day actually.
Gibbo.
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Post by: Wowbagger on January 05, 2018, 05:12:39 pm
I have often wondered when cycling past whether that place just north of East Hanningfield was the cricket bat mob, but never remembered to look them up later. I have now confirmed that they are.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: andyoxon on January 07, 2018, 09:07:04 am
47C in Sydney.    :o
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Post by: andyoxon on January 14, 2018, 11:20:59 am
 :thumbsup:

Highest ODI run chase total ever at the MCG.
Highest ODI individual score ever at MCG
Highest ODI score for English batsman.
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Post by: Peter on January 14, 2018, 12:00:37 pm
It's ironic.  For the first time for ages, we field an Ashes team all of whom were born in England.  Result - 4-0 thrashing.  Introduce a South African for the one-dayers and "we" win!  Still feels good, though!
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Post by: andyoxon on January 21, 2018, 11:39:25 am
Job's a good'un.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: mattc on January 27, 2018, 02:38:51 pm
A quick look at Lancashire&#39;s new Kolpak bowler. <a href="https://t.co/4EjOw6BOGA">pic.twitter.com/4EjOw6BOGA</a></p>&mdash; Fred Boycott (@FredBoycott)  https://twitter.com/FredBoycott/status/956543315662516224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Post by: Peter on January 27, 2018, 04:13:53 pm
Very odd, indeed - but he doesn't chuck it, as far as I can tell.
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Post by: andyoxon on January 28, 2018, 11:11:49 pm
I don't always follow the ODIs, but did this time after the Ashes let down - a good finish to the series in the new Perth stadium . 
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Post by: Jaded on January 28, 2018, 11:19:33 pm
Yes, a good fight.
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Post by: Jaded on March 22, 2018, 09:17:00 am
Don’t look.

Just don’t.
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Post by: citoyen on March 22, 2018, 09:38:02 am
Unfortunately, I heard.
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Post by: rafletcher on March 22, 2018, 09:41:35 am
Could have been worse, at 27 for 9.......
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Post by: Basil on March 22, 2018, 11:34:16 am
Could have been worse, at 27 for 9.......

The Kiwis must be cock o hoop.  But perhaps secretly slightly disappointed not to have restricted England to a world record low score from that position.
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Post by: rafletcher on March 24, 2018, 09:37:05 pm
Oh those poor petals of Australian cricket  ;D.
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Post by: Basil on March 24, 2018, 11:22:38 pm
Oh those poor petals of Australian cricket  ;D.

Oh dear.  That is dreadful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43526870

Quote from: Phil Tufnell
"Sandpaper in the old jockstrap - tricky place to keep it oooh!"
;D
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Post by: andyoxon on April 01, 2018, 11:18:26 am
Looking better in NZ (not hard I suppose), though I wonder what continues to be up with Cook who is still struggling - av of 5.75 runs over 4 innings.
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Post by: Wowbagger on April 03, 2018, 12:10:33 pm
That's pretty decisive.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/03/cricket-south-africa-australia-series-win-vernon-philander-johannesburg-report
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Post by: Tom B on April 13, 2018, 01:24:51 pm
First day of the 2018 County Championship (from TG): 

‘At Old Trafford, two men in tracksuits slush across the outfield, the scoreboard shows Lancashire’s official partners and a few hardy souls really are sitting out under The Point... I love the sheer eccentricity of it, the not-giving-a-damn-ness, the tenacity, the stubborn-ness’
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Post by: Jaded on May 26, 2018, 03:32:51 pm
Apparently England are playing cricket.

I hadn't noticed.
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Post by: Wowbagger on May 26, 2018, 03:49:08 pm
It seems that it's Pakistan who are playing the cricket...
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Post by: Basil on May 27, 2018, 11:30:41 pm
Gosh.  We had a national side playing in Llandysul today.  Wales under 15 girls v Sir Gar (Carmarthenshire) under 13 girls.  Seems a bit of an unfair match.  No idea of the result.
Mrs B, Megan the Border Terrier and I watched Wales warming up the bowlers for a while and I was astonished to find that they were the under 15s.  I'd guessed they were at least the under 19s. 
Kids are huge these days.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 01, 2018, 05:12:07 pm
Shame the last 3 Pakistani wickets put on almost 100 runs. Even so, quite a good day so far for England.
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Post by: Basil on June 03, 2018, 05:12:37 pm
After our day out, I thought I'd settle down with a cuppa and listen to the last hour or so of the test match.

Oh.
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Post by: simonp on June 10, 2018, 07:07:46 pm
Commentator's curse, last man comes on, needing something like 10 runs from 12 balls, and they call England to win it.

Bowled LBW with 6 runs required.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 10, 2018, 08:16:45 pm
Well done Scotland! How amusing!
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Post by: Peter on June 13, 2018, 11:57:43 am
Astonishing game in Division 2:  Durham (Oceania, South Africa, USA) beat Derbyshire (South Africa, Oveania) by about 100 runs, having been behind by 100 on the first innings.  More amazingly, Extras (71) was second top scorer for Durham in the second innings.  Overseas cricket is alive and well - and over here!  Necotiations should be underway to offer Extras a contract.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 13, 2018, 02:02:15 pm
I recall a match at Chalkwell Park when the first innings was restricted to 100 overs in which Essex set a new record by scoring 499. I think the opponents were Worcestershire. There were two memorable events during the Essex innings: Graham Gooch's 139 was at the time his highest first class score; and there was a significant round of applause when Extras reaches 50.

Essex's record score for 100 overs didn't last long, if it ever existed: during the same first day's play Hampshire notched up 502, probably courtesy of Barry Richards and Gordon Greenidge.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/ground/57400.html indicates it must have been 1976.

Edit: Ah. Wrong again! Gooch scored 136. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/1976/ENG_LOCAL/CC/ESSEX_WORCS_CC_10-13JUL1976.html
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Post by: Peter on June 13, 2018, 06:54:18 pm
It's a great game, isn't it?!
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Post by: Jaded on June 13, 2018, 10:26:03 pm
A delicious mix of rounders and chess.
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Post by: Peter on June 14, 2018, 08:05:33 am
.... and farce, don't forget the farce!
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Post by: Jaded on June 17, 2018, 12:44:31 am
Rather fun, eventually...

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P6160714.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P6161095.jpg)
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Post by: Peter on June 17, 2018, 11:21:45 am
JD, that top picture is great - can I copy it for my dartboard?

I wonder how sandpaper sales are going in Oz at the moment; they lost at rugger, soccer and cricket on the same day, yesterday.  That won't happen very often.  But they'll be back - and guess who'll cop for it?  We always do!
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Post by: Jaded on June 17, 2018, 11:37:59 am
Definitely! What pixel size would you like  ;D
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Post by: Peter on June 17, 2018, 02:03:42 pm
Probably wall-sized - my eyes are not as good as they used to be!
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Post by: Jaded on June 17, 2018, 02:36:24 pm
 ;D
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Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2018, 10:47:57 pm
I wonder how sandpaper sales are going in Oz at the moment; they lost at rugger, soccer and cricket on the same day, yesterday.  That won't happen very often.  But they'll be back - and guess who'll cop for it?  We always do!

Not today though. Oof.
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Post by: andyoxon on June 20, 2018, 08:54:55 am
A fair few ODI records right there.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on June 20, 2018, 09:21:57 am
Yes, to add to Saturday’s, which was the top five wicket partnerships being 50 or over. The commentator said this was the first time this had ever happened, and then the next ball was a wicket.
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Post by: Peter on June 20, 2018, 01:14:36 pm
Astonishing stuff (not the commentator-hex, that's fairly common, which is not so surprising when a team is as average as England have been of late).  It's really nice to bask in this, and I do, but as an Englishman you would expect me to have reservations!  This Australian team is virtually unrecognisable, a transition team if you like.  Australian transitions are usually pretty brief, whereas England's go on for years, sometimes decades!

But great stuff!
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Post by: Peter on June 22, 2018, 12:43:52 pm
Astonishing game in Division 2:  Durham (Oceania, South Africa, USA) beat Derbyshire (South Africa, Oveania) by about 100 runs, having been behind by 100 on the first innings.  More amazingly, Extras (71) was second top scorer for Durham in the second innings.  Overseas cricket is alive and well - and over here!  Necotiations should be underway to offer Extras a contract.

And Durham are at it again - just lost their last 6 wickets for 9 runs, with Extras hardly featuring (possibly holding out for a better deal).
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Post by: Jaded on June 24, 2018, 05:48:34 pm
A whitewash and a thrilling finish...
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Post by: andyoxon on June 24, 2018, 05:52:38 pm
A whitewash and a thrilling finish...

 :thumbsup:   Listened to the last 30mins - a tad tense.
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Post by: Peter on June 24, 2018, 09:11:22 pm
Cricket is fabulous.
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Post by: Jaded on June 25, 2018, 06:46:30 pm
Just got tickets in the Ballot for next Year's Cricket World Cup.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Peter on June 25, 2018, 06:49:43 pm
Polish those lenses!
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Post by: Jaded on June 25, 2018, 07:12:47 pm
 ;D
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Post by: Jaded on July 07, 2018, 08:56:33 am
The lens got an outing yesterday. With the result never in doubt, it was much fun...  :o

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7060169.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7060550.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/P7060735.jpg)
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Post by: andyoxon on July 07, 2018, 09:11:10 am
Good bail flying pic.   :)

edit.  Series Level!
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Post by: Peter on July 07, 2018, 12:35:47 pm
Good shots!  I like the last one:  "What do we reckon, then - ball or meteorite?".
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 02, 2018, 12:01:25 pm
Interesting match developing at Edgbaston.

I'm looking forward to Lords next week. Going on Day 1 as a members Guest  :thumbsup:
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Post by: andyoxon on August 02, 2018, 06:39:50 pm
Cook is one of the greats, but reckon his days as a opener might be numbered.  He definitely needs a big innings
at some point
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 03, 2018, 03:58:44 pm
Hmm... that's an interesting target in a low-scoring game.
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Post by: Peter on August 03, 2018, 05:12:23 pm
Except that Kohli scored almost enough on his own in the first innings.

Edit:  Hmmmm. I think we may just have annoyed him with that 3rd wicket!
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 03, 2018, 07:58:21 pm
Still nicely poised!
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 04, 2018, 12:01:31 pm
England's to lose now ... that's not to say they won't!
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Post by: Jaded on August 04, 2018, 12:15:44 pm
Nice one Rashid!
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Post by: Peter on August 04, 2018, 12:41:08 pm
Terrific stuff!  What a game cricket can be.  I think visitors normally lose the first test in England, don't they?  Something to do with acclimatising and getting the betting right.  They then win the series.  Four more matches and yet the football season starts today........ .
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 04, 2018, 01:24:07 pm
... yet the football season starts today........ .

It started yesterday. Reading lost to Derby.

Got a ticket for next Saturday at Lord's, really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2018, 01:30:20 pm
... yet the football season starts today........ .

It started yesterday. Reading lost to Derby.

Got a ticket for next Saturday at Lord's, really looking forward to it.

I know, but Scotland or Reading v Derby is not really football as we know it, whereas Burton v Rochdale...... now you're talking!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2018, 01:55:12 pm
Even though I don't watch a lot of sport, I do have a tendency to follow the text commentaries on the Graun's website. I feel quite strong withdrawal symptoms when a memorable event finishes, viz. yesterday's test match, tdf, fupbol world cup etc.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 09, 2018, 08:42:35 am
Hmmm.

Hope I get some cricket today.  :(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: toontra on August 09, 2018, 09:23:55 am
Forecast is for continuous light rain in north London.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 09, 2018, 09:53:15 am
Yes, not good!

Lots of egg and bacon ties here
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 09, 2018, 07:17:11 pm
Oh well, at least I saw the first washout day at Lords for 17 years  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 09, 2018, 08:34:15 pm
I'll have to say something similar to one of the graduates at work. She was taken to lords by her boy friend who is british indian.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2018, 12:14:20 pm
An interesting start this morning. I assume that the covers are effective at keeping the rain off the pitch...
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2018, 01:57:18 pm
Crikey, Penfold!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 10, 2018, 06:52:52 pm
I love TMS, but sometimes I find myself getting really pissed off that the cricket is no longer on terrestrial - I also love watching swing bowling!
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2018, 07:59:08 pm
I agree. I haven't watched an cricket for years, and my loss of interest coincided very strongly with the loss of test cricket and the 2-division county championship.

OTOH, there's this gem from  Grauniad reader:

Quote
Re 35th over tail end action - not often we get a chance to see Shami leather it......I’ll get my coat.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 10, 2018, 08:42:56 pm
Hmm, 10 wickets today in not many overs. Fingers crossed for tomorrow!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 10, 2018, 09:31:12 pm
The forecast seems to be for much more agreeable batting conditions.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 10, 2018, 09:39:29 pm
Just seen the figures for today, Anderson got 5-20 that’s not too shabby!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 11, 2018, 01:46:25 pm
Has anybody done this?

Earworm for Cook: "Ishant Sharma's gonna get you...!"

I've note been listening to TMS but I bet Graeme Swann will have thought of it, too.
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Post by: spesh on August 11, 2018, 05:48:42 pm
The BBC's webby SCIENCE appears to be borked, because the scorecard's one wicket and nearly a hundred runs behind where it should be at the time of posting...  :facepalm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43873929
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 11, 2018, 06:01:26 pm
The BBC's webby SCIENCE appears to be borked, because the scorecard's one wicket and nearly a hundred runs behind where it should be at the time of posting...  :facepalm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43873929

Ah.  That explains it.
I assumed that it must be raining or something.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: SoreTween on August 11, 2018, 06:05:03 pm
Quote from: Auntie
If anyone tries to say that no one follows Test cricket then we should just show them how many tweets we've received since our scorecard broke. Again, we know and some guys in a dark room are trying to fix it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 11, 2018, 06:46:25 pm
 ;D

GN: It's fixed now.

BN: The umpires have called bad light, chiz.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 11, 2018, 06:53:29 pm
I don't think they'll declare over night (as suggested elsewhere).  I think they should tell Woakes to swing the bat and declare when he's either out or bogged down about an hour before lunch.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 11, 2018, 06:59:01 pm
Declaring after a few minutes' play in the morning gives England, as the batting side, the choice of which roller to use. If England declares overnight, India will get that choice.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 12, 2018, 03:42:20 pm
Seems to be going not too badly...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 12, 2018, 07:03:33 pm
It seems to have gone very well.

I suspect England would have won anyway, but they definitely had the best of the weather for both batting and bowling.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 14, 2018, 01:00:08 pm
Stokes not guilty. Wonder if he'll be back in the squad for the 3rd test.
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Post by: spesh on August 14, 2018, 02:29:29 pm
According to Aggers, there's still the matter of a disciplinary hearing for Stokes.

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Stokes and Hales now face ECB independent disciplinary committee, likely to face charges of bringing the game into disrepute. Might take a few days, up to a week to convene.

https://twitter.com/Aggerscricket/status/1029336821287792640

Reading the comments, a lot of people seem to have difficulty in understanding why this would be happening after Stokes was found not guilty, but I think they are overlooking the fact that Stokes got into a fight in the first place, which does not reflect well upon him as a sportsman representing his country, and by extension the rest of the team.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 14, 2018, 02:58:09 pm
I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 14, 2018, 03:12:22 pm
Stokes not guilty. Wonder if he'll be back in the squad for the 3rd test.

Apparently he is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45186732

I guess they are letting him play on the basis that per the Aggers tweet I quoted, the earliest that they could convene a disciplinary hearing is during/after the 3rd test, which starts on Saturday.

Innocent until the guilty bastard is marched in?  :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Duckfoot1606 on August 14, 2018, 03:28:09 pm
One question, at the centre of this whole saga was the gay couple the various accused allegedly passed derogatory remarks to. Yet I got the impression they never gave evidence in the trial for either prosecution or defence? Or did I miss that bit?

A
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 14, 2018, 07:12:30 pm
I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.

I think when the prosecution ask at the beginning of the trial for a lesser charge to be considered, that’s quite a big flag about the case.

I’d imagine that the way it has been presented on television is to sell TV rather than to explain the finer points of the law.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 15, 2018, 08:33:22 am
One question, at the centre of this whole saga was the gay couple the various accused allegedly passed derogatory remarks to. Yet I got the impression they never gave evidence in the trial for either prosecution or defence? Or did I miss that bit?

The same thing crossed my mind. They sounded quite pivotal in terms of evidence, but certainly the media didn't give any details.
I didn't follow it that closely though, in fact my only contact with the case were reports on TMS during the last test, which I was quite surprised by in itself. In one sense the CCTV footage [how come that got into the public domain?] looked clear cut as regards violence, but the details of the case reported during the trial were really sketchy. In times of judgement, I often have to remind myself of something I frequently forget, that being - I wasn't there on the night.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 15, 2018, 09:01:15 am
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He told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.

Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”
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Post by: andrew_s on August 15, 2018, 10:35:56 am
I have to say that the impression I gained from the way the trial was presented on television was that he's pretty fortunate to have been found not guilty.
I think when the prosecution ask at the beginning of the trial for a lesser charge to be considered, that’s quite a big flag about the case.
He was charged with affray, and going on the basis of the video, I don't think it was surprising he was found not guilty.
Affray requires that a hypothetical bystander would fear for his safety (going by the blurb at the end of this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45182868 )
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 15, 2018, 12:09:44 pm
Actually, I'm not sure if ABH is a lesser charge, based on the sentencing.

However, I'd expected the CPS and those important people to know.  ;)
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Post by: Von Broad on August 15, 2018, 01:31:34 pm
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He told the court that he had intervened after hearing homophobic abuse directed at two young men, Kai Barry and William O’Connor. They were not called to give evidence.

Mr Barry, 27, told ITV News in an interview broadcast yesterday: “When I realised who he [Mr Stokes] was, I thought fair play, because he’s obviously put his career at risk for someone that he never knew.”

Ah that's interesting, thanks, hadn't seen that.
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Post by: spesh on August 15, 2018, 11:55:38 pm
This might be of interest - it’s the “route to verdict” given to the jury, setting out all the issues they had to consider.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DklLW-aW4AIulzI.jpg

H/t: https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1029436855073296384
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 16, 2018, 06:25:55 pm
On another matter (ie cricket) are there any other national dailies that are as poor at reporting the County Championship as the Graun is? I would actually like to view a few matches’ scorecards, which is the quickest and easiest way to find out what has been going on, but if they are publishing g the it is in a place so well-concealed that it is hardly publishing.
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Post by: Peter on August 16, 2018, 07:33:58 pm
Peter, have you tried the BBC text - 340 and the Scores menu?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 17, 2018, 01:30:59 pm
Stokes in for Curran.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 17, 2018, 02:40:26 pm
Stokes in for Curran.

Well... somebody was going to have to make way, and I'm glad it wasn't young Pope, but that's pretty hard on Curran, he's played well enough to hold his place - the 63 he got in the first test basically changed the impetus of the game.
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Post by: Peter on August 17, 2018, 02:46:58 pm
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 17, 2018, 03:05:05 pm
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.

Yes, when I said 'somebody was going to have to make way' I wasn't implying that it was the right thing to do....

Legally of course, there is nothing wrong with selecting him, but it's uncomfortable and leaves a bad taste imo, especially when a young player that has played well has to make way.
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Post by: andytheflyer on August 17, 2018, 03:38:24 pm
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.

^ +1

Applies to Cipriani too.

(.....runs for cover at deep fine leg...….)
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Post by: mattc on August 17, 2018, 07:09:19 pm
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
Found innocent, forever guilty?
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Post by: Jaded on August 17, 2018, 07:12:43 pm
Cipriani pleaded guilty.

Maybe the plan is to win the 3rd Test then let the youngsters run riot for the 4th and 5th.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 17, 2018, 09:58:09 pm
No.

Edit:  This was in response to Mattc's post, not Jaded's.
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Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2018, 10:18:54 am
I'm sorry, I just think it's wrong.
Found innocent, forever guilty?

Found innocent of affray.

Incontrovertibly guilty of getting in a fight and laying a couple of people out.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 18, 2018, 12:20:33 pm
No.

Edit:  This was in response to Mattc's post, not Jaded's.

Ah! That makes more sense!!  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 18, 2018, 12:32:44 pm
Yes, that's what I thought - sorry!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 18, 2018, 01:20:39 pm
I was out until 12:30. I thought that there can’t be any play today because I’d had no wicket notifications. That’s been remedied now!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2018, 01:55:22 pm
Cricket World Cup 2019 ticket ballot is open until 29th August:-

https://tickets.cricketworldcup.com/accountRegister.html

Going in for the opening England game against SA at the Oval, the Final (why not) and two cheap weekend matches at the Oval (SA v Bangladesh and Sri Lanka v Australia).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 18, 2018, 04:34:11 pm
Yes, I'm in for Final tickets too.

I already have England vs Bangladesh at Cardiff and Pakistan vs Sri Lanka at Bristol. Looking forward to it!
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Post by: andyoxon on August 23, 2018, 01:11:11 pm
Interesting Times article (behind the paywall - I registered for the two free articles/wk)

Good Test-match opening batsmen hard to find for all teams, not just England

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/good-openers-hard-to-find-for-all-sides-not-just-england-7h833tfxf

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... Only Gordon Greenidge and Desmond Haynes (6,482) and Justin Langer and Matthew Hayden (5,655) scored more runs than Cook and Strauss’s 4,711, even if their average of 40.96 is some way down the list behind the top mark of 87.81 averaged by Jack Hobbs and Herbert Sutcliffe.

That Cook is now battling so much is instructive. It may just be that he is gently sliding down the other side of his career mountain and the end is nigh or that opening in Tests is harder because of the conditions — or a combination of both. ...
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Post by: Greenbank on August 23, 2018, 01:49:34 pm
Vince into the squad for the 4th test, no other changes.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 30, 2018, 02:39:31 pm
ooops.  86-6
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 30, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
It must be raining in Southampton.



There haven’t been any wickets for a while...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 30, 2018, 04:35:02 pm
Go Mo.

edit.  Oh no.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 30, 2018, 08:48:34 pm
Hmm.  Sam Curran, our No. 8, currently has a test batting average of about 45.  It's early days but that's only about 5 less than our Currant (geddit?) pretty-well non-playing captain. 
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Post by: Von Broad on August 31, 2018, 07:59:49 am
lots of discussion about new batsman in the TMS box these days - mainly alone the lines of 'where are they?'
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on August 31, 2018, 10:42:02 am
My preferred batting order at the moment would be:

Opener 1 (Cook but not for much longer unless he finds form again)
Opener 2 (Haven't a clue Jennings isn't coping but then no one has since Strauss) preferably a right hander
No. 3 M Ali (this is where he bats in county cricket)
No. 4 J Root (his obviously best batting position)
No. 5 J Bairstow (preferably without the gloves if he is to bat in the top 5)
No. 6 B Stokes
No. 7 Buttler
No. 8 S Curran
No. 9 Rashid
No. 10 S Broad
No. 11 J Anderson

At the moment I am unsure how Ali will do at 3 in Test but he is familiar with the position and Root can only bat there if you can be certain that the openers will bat the first 10-15 overs which at the moment they can't. The problem is that we can't find two openers who can reliably score an opening 50 partnership.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 31, 2018, 01:04:46 pm
The real problem is that we can't find 11 players who can be relied on to do anything much, with the possible exception of Curran, with bat and ball.  The crisis is far deeper than what order in which to play these very average players, I think.  But cricket is a wonderful game and this same team may suddenly become world-beaters - and they may not.  Jennings bowling first change, for Heaven's sake!  Even if he sneaks a wicket, it's desperate.

I don't like the central contract system.  Time was they picked the eleven who were in the best county form and made one of them captain.  Nowadays, you stay in the team even when you are well out of form.  Vince is in great form.  They pick him - then leave him out.  Has he become injured, or doesn't he drink as well as the others?

Peter
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 31, 2018, 01:55:11 pm
Didn't they always pick the captain first and he had a seat at the selectors' table?

My recollection tells me it's the Aussie way to pick the best players and then make one of them captain (ie unsporting ;) )

See also: They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won, and they practise beforehand, which spoils the fun...
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Post by: Peter on August 31, 2018, 02:05:08 pm
I think you're right about the captain at the selectors' table - bet he had to buy his own meal!
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Post by: Torslanda on August 31, 2018, 02:56:27 pm
I'm not really interested enough these days but I've always found it strange that 'the team' can have a scenario where they just have to stay 'in' all day to achieve a draw (ie not lose)  OR they've got the thick end of two days to bat out to not lose and a win is possible if they can make the runs.

Due to the players being raised on limited over matches they will of course collapse spectacularly in about 5 overs. I can't think of any other reason.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 31, 2018, 03:16:42 pm
The conundrum is in the fact that allt countries play limited overs cricket, yet many still manage to beat England in Test Matches!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on September 02, 2018, 03:09:06 pm
My preferred batting order at the moment would be:

Opener 1 (Cook but not for much longer unless he finds form again)
...

Agreed, even Gooch is saying AC is 'flat-lining'.   Looks like he may go after the Oval, but some say should be before.  He's only 33, so perhaps just a break; though he'd need to be 'pushed', before he felt he had to retire...

edit. though, England aren't doing too badly... 
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 02, 2018, 06:16:48 pm
Gooch never really became a "world great" until late in his career. His average was, well, average until he blossomed in his late 30s. His 20 test centuries consisted of 8 in his first 8 years, and 12 in his last 4 years of playing for England. He was a month short of his 41st birthday when he scored his final test century - 210 v New Zealand. I'd argue that his finest was 154 not out v West Indies at Headingley when he carried his bat in one of the most extraordinary innings you are ever likely to see. He was 37 then, almost 38.

But well done to England: it's very hard to score 200 or more to win in the last innings.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on September 02, 2018, 06:36:18 pm
The conundrum is in the fact that allt countries play limited overs cricket, yet many still manage to beat England in Test Matches!
Apart from the No1 side in the world. We're doing alright against them - despite our inadequacies! :smug:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on September 03, 2018, 11:49:08 am
Yes, it's a really wonderful game, isn't it!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on September 03, 2018, 01:04:09 pm
He's going...

Alastair Cook: England great to retire from international cricket after fifth Test

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 03, 2018, 08:49:39 pm
I am on leave from work next week and so i have now purchased a ticket for day 4 at the oval. I now expect the test to be done in 3 days with only a couple of wickets or runs to get on day four as neither team seems capable of batting through a day.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 03, 2018, 09:10:06 pm
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.

That alone will be worth the history.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 05, 2018, 05:17:31 pm
In another arena, it seems that Lancashire all but ended Somerset’s title hopes by bowling them out for 77 and tying the match. That must have been fun!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on September 06, 2018, 12:59:06 am
Somerset likely to be docked points for that pitch too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 08, 2018, 10:12:22 pm
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.

That alone will be worth the history.

From the progress of the game today, provided England bat properly tomorrow I should see some of the 3rd innings and possibly the whole of the 4th.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on September 09, 2018, 06:58:54 pm
In which case you’ll probably see Cook's last walk off a test cricket field.

That alone will be worth the history.

From the progress of the game today, provided England bat properly tomorrow I should see some of the 3rd innings and possibly the whole of the 4th.

They (some of them) HAVE batted properly. For several hours! You should see Cookie get his 50, and maybe score a big one? Historic day, and it sounds like an interesting match  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on September 10, 2018, 12:46:22 pm
I hope you are there matthew!

Wow.

Thank you Chef!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 10, 2018, 01:06:14 pm
Took photo of shot, saw the fielder and the crowd sighed then cheered wildly as we relised there were buzzers.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on September 10, 2018, 01:12:44 pm
Well done Cookie, a true sporting hero. I intend to go and watch him play at Chelmsford next year
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 10, 2018, 01:13:48 pm
Very impressive. That’s something Bradman couldn’t do! Also they have put the match out of India’s reach.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on September 10, 2018, 01:29:28 pm
The question is, how far out of India's reach do England put the match? Declare once Root gets a ton, or play on until tea, and give India up to four sessions to chase say, 350?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 10, 2018, 01:31:58 pm
At current rate of scoring and with the batsmen to come i anticipate a declaration about 5pm with a target of 450.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on September 10, 2018, 01:33:36 pm
It's overcast, it's gloomy (well it is in Suffolk anyway) so play until it's too uncomfortable to bat yourself and then put India in for a last hour or so of the worst conditions possible.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 10, 2018, 02:14:34 pm
Roooooooooot.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 10, 2018, 03:00:46 pm
Roooooooooot.

You shouldn’t have had so much to drink.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 10, 2018, 04:41:16 pm
No alcohol for me.

Declaration came when Curran skied one. Target set 464 from about 110 overs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 10, 2018, 04:52:09 pm
Now we are rooting for Jimmy to get three.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 10, 2018, 05:04:27 pm
Some bright spark on the Graun’s website has just pointed out that in the equivalent fixture 40 years ago, India were chasing 468 in the last innings. From memory, Sunil Gavaskar scored 221, Vengsarkar 100 and at the start of the final over, all four results were still possible. It ended as a draw. (Goes off the check Cricinfo...).

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: DuncanM on September 10, 2018, 05:07:37 pm
Well that was a start to an innings...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 10, 2018, 05:15:28 pm
Some bright spark on the Graun’s website has just pointed out that in the equivalent fixture 40 years ago, India were chasing 468 in the last innings. From memory, Sunil Gavaskar scored 221, Vengsarkar 100 and at the start of the final over, all four results were still possible. It ended as a draw. (Goes off the check Cricinfo...).

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/17073/scorecard/63240/england-vs-india-4th-test-india-tour-of-england-1979

39 years. Right about Gavaskar. Wrong about Vengsarkar. Right about the result.

I do remember the radio commentary in which F. S. Trueman et al opined that Brearley should have declared when England’s lead was 350. Someone, possibly Johnners, opined that the Indian batsmen were rather better than their England counterparts. “Worrabaht Boycott?” FST demanded. I think Sunil Gavaskar answered that question.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on September 10, 2018, 09:02:43 pm
Well that was a bit special, wasn't it?
And what a terrific series too.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on September 10, 2018, 09:51:59 pm
I am so tempted to go back tomorrow.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 11, 2018, 03:01:09 pm
India need to score at less than 5 an over to win. 5 wickets left. No chance really but ever since I have watched cricket I have always had a wish for the side batting last and facing an impossible total for them to get it.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 11, 2018, 03:53:01 pm
166 after tea would be exciting...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on September 11, 2018, 04:15:46 pm
166 after tea would be exciting...

It's doable.

C'mon Jimmy get that record...
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Post by: spesh on September 11, 2018, 05:22:25 pm
India need 123 more runs to win off 15 overs (light permitting), with two wickets left.
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Post by: Von Broad on September 11, 2018, 05:57:15 pm
Ever since I was at school following the cricket on the TV and radio, there was always a sense of melancholy hanging around on the last day of the last test - somehow signalling the end of summer...and this one feels like that more than most.

Credit to India.....again, such an enjoyable series.
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Post by: Jaded on September 11, 2018, 06:15:57 pm
Jimmy did it!
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 11, 2018, 06:18:21 pm
He most certainly did!
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Post by: andyoxon on September 11, 2018, 06:29:44 pm
The most successful fast bowler in Test history.    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Von Broad on September 11, 2018, 06:48:09 pm
Fantastic achievement, and what a way to do it. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43878000?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5b97ecf9251de8065d1648a3%26ANDERSON%20TAKES%20RECORD%20564TH%20TEST%20WICKET%262018-09-11T16%3A27%3A37%2B00%3A00&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ba85aad2-51b3-40ff-b391-5afc0cf10afc&pinned_post_asset_id=5b97ecf9251de8065d1648a3&pinned_post_type=share)

Rashid's Warnesque delivery is worth seeing too. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43878000?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5b97e609251de8065d16488f%26Get%20Involved%262018-09-11T16%3A03%3A31%2B00%3A00&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:2835774a-7da8-493e-b04e-0a75db11723e&pinned_post_asset_id=5b97e609251de8065d16488f&pinned_post_type=share)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on September 13, 2018, 11:15:17 am
Cricket World Cup 2019 ticket ballot is open until 29th August:-

https://tickets.cricketworldcup.com/accountRegister.html

Going in for the opening England game against SA at the Oval, the Final (why not) and two cheap weekend matches at the Oval (SA v Bangladesh and Sri Lanka v Australia).

Boo. Didn't get any.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on September 13, 2018, 04:22:50 pm
Not surprisingly I didn't get any Final Tickets.

We can always go for Hospitality though (according to the email)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 19, 2018, 03:58:28 pm
Bloody hell! Durham have been bowled out twice in a single session for 61 and 66. I don't remember 20 wickets falling between lunch and tea before.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on September 20, 2018, 08:10:14 am
It is a pleasure to be part of history!
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 20, 2018, 07:35:55 pm
I recall about 30 years ago Essex dismissing Surrey for 14. We were at Jan's parents' place at the time and Jan's dad thought I would be insufferably smug as Essex were going through their "let's win everything in sight" phase at the time. Even at that tender age I was aware that the first innings is one thing and the second another. The match was drawn.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on November 09, 2018, 09:19:02 am
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...
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Post by: matthew on November 09, 2018, 12:00:37 pm
I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...

It will probably reoccur for each overseas tour where the BBC don't get the radio rights for TMS to cover the tests. This series is on Talksport2.
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Post by: Von Broad on November 17, 2018, 10:50:08 am
I only found out this week that the BBC had lost the rights for the overseas tour. Like.....WTF!!!!! For a brief period my world fell apart.
For those of us listening to TMS since childhood, this kind of loss is no laughing matter. But...regaining composure and perspective.....things change, and to give TalkSport2 credit - there are no adverts [until play finishes]...and all the commentators are a selection of the usual suspects you hear elsewhere om the media. There's a whole pool of them that trot from studio to studio during the Test matches, so in reality, there's hardly that much difference reality. I could be wrong, but memory seems to suggest that TalkSport may have had the radio rights for cricket for a brief period int he past.

I wonder how long lived BBC's online "The Cricket Social" will be...

I listened to it initially, hoping to pick up TMS at the ground, but then realizing [and reseaching] what was going on, 'The Cricket Social' sounded a bit empty and almost a bit desperate TBH. There's something about the lack of ground ambient noise that makes the listening experience very dead and flat. As much as I love TMS, I'd have to delve into the depths of self-delusion to convince myself that it was worth listening too for this series.

Fascinating game this second test.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on January 24, 2019, 05:53:06 pm
WI v Eng.

Oops   :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 24, 2019, 06:05:53 pm
I prefer how it looked this time yesterday.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 24, 2019, 06:24:00 pm
Impressive collapse...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 26, 2019, 08:49:10 am
Well, we only need another 572 runs in this Fourth Innings
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Torslanda on January 26, 2019, 09:27:25 am
So they'll play it like a 50 overs match and it will be all over for tea...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on January 31, 2019, 05:06:56 pm
Is that a Normal Service I see before me...?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on January 31, 2019, 07:46:22 pm
Stepped back from the abyss at least.  Go Jimmy & Broady...

edit. Oh well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on January 31, 2019, 08:43:21 pm
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on January 31, 2019, 08:51:42 pm
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.

Very good, Peter.  (Unfortunately)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 02, 2019, 08:22:16 pm
I'm wondering if we can skittle the West Indies out for about 12 runs?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on February 02, 2019, 09:03:00 pm
It would appear not.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 02, 2019, 09:03:52 pm
It wasn't a complete disaster.

The England and Wales team made them bat for over two overs!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on February 02, 2019, 09:06:07 pm
Were there any Welshmen in the side, or was that a Brexiteer-style attempt to blame innocent parties?  ;)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on February 02, 2019, 09:18:04 pm
Oh, I thought it was a joint Cricket Board. Although I would understand if after that performance there was a bit of Welshing.  ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on February 04, 2019, 05:53:50 pm
If you were going to name it based on where the players were born you'd need to include South Africa (T Curran, Jennings, Roy), Ireland (Morgan), New Zealand (Stokes) and Barbados (Jordan) - depending on who was playing from the current squad.

The last "Welsh" players were Simon Jones, and Geraint Jones (born in Papua New Guinea).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on February 07, 2019, 01:25:04 pm
Credit where it's due: Root seems to have settled effortlessly into the role of non-playing captain.

Very good, Peter.  (Unfortunately)

Then he went and dropped Jennings, saying that he (Jennings) needed to go back and get some runs at county level.  I think Root would struggle to get into Yorkshire Seconds at the moment (maybe as a bowler), which has me wondering where all that obvious talent has suddenly gone.  Time for a University of Our Street thesis on the curse of the captaincy?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on February 12, 2019, 11:15:31 am
Hmmmm.  Humble pie for dinner, I think!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on February 12, 2019, 04:32:07 pm
In light of the third test, I wonder what happened with England/ Windies in the first two...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on February 13, 2019, 11:19:40 am
Well, it's a good question.  Part of the answer may be that Holder, the WI captain, who is currently the world's best all-rounder and who scored 200 in the previous test, was out injured.  I don't think there's a lot of encouragement to be gained from this latest result, satisfying though it is.  The top order batting is incredibly frail and I fear that 5-0 to Australia is quite likely, especially if Cummins is fit.  It's nice to see the return of Wood but he bowls so whole-heartedly that I expect him to be injured for most of the season!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: JenM on February 13, 2019, 11:33:19 am
Peter -Holder did not play as he was suspended as a penalty for a slow over rate in the 2nd test. I think it isn’t the first time this has happened. That is why in the 3rd test they were running between overs.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on February 13, 2019, 11:35:57 am
Oh, yes - mea culpa!  Thanks, Jen.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on February 13, 2019, 12:55:52 pm
Would have been interesting if they'd allowed Rahkeem Cornwall to play.

(He wasn't awarded a central contract as he won't sign up to the fitness regime that comes with it.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on February 16, 2019, 08:22:48 pm
How utterly splendid! SA must have been really frustrated after that last wicket partnership.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/16/kusal-perera-heroics-sri-lanka-remarkable-test-win-south-africa-cricket
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on February 17, 2019, 10:30:58 am
Yes, but fulsome praise from the SA skipper- excellent stuff all round.
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Post by: Wowbagger on February 17, 2019, 12:14:12 pm
Ah yes: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47266263

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26011743/kusal-perera-bats-body-heart-soul-innings-life
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on May 31, 2019, 01:55:04 pm
England's  bowling attack doesn't seem quite as effective as the Windies', judging from today's Pakistan match.  We'll see I guess.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 07, 2019, 06:58:55 pm
Anyone want a Pakistan and a Sri Lanka flag?  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 08, 2019, 08:32:55 pm
Today was good though. A little chilly in Cardiff, though.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jakob on June 12, 2019, 02:11:55 am
Really wish there was a reasonable way of watching this over here....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on June 18, 2019, 11:38:27 am
Anyone noticed the similarity between England's fixture list in the cricket and their draw in the Football World Cup last time?  Are we in for another effortless rise to 4th place?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 18, 2019, 12:07:10 pm
Really wish there was a reasonable way of watching this over here....

So do I...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on June 18, 2019, 12:55:57 pm
I watch the in-play highlights on the BBC website whilst listening to it on 5 Live Sports Extra.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47482583

There are plenty of dodgy streams of Sky Sports on the Internet if you know where to look.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on June 25, 2019, 02:36:28 pm
Oh, Vince  >:(
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 29, 2019, 03:56:37 pm
Essex have had a pretty good June in the County Championship. Currently second in the table, they beat Somerset handsomely in their last match. Somerset are top.

I don't think I can name a single Essex player apart from Alastair Cook.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on June 30, 2019, 07:07:33 pm
So, a high stakes game against NZ for Eng in the world cup,  on the cards.  Tough one I reckon.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 01, 2019, 10:08:23 am
The last ten overs were extraordinary.  Suddenly, India seemed to stop trying. They had wickets to spare.  Obviously there is no fiddling in cricket (Steve Smith will tell you that) but I was wondering if India were trying to do Pakistan down, or manipulate the odds, or something.  I hope I'm completely wrong, but it felt really odd, listening to the game.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 01, 2019, 10:31:05 am
Aggers on the Today programme this morning,  put it down to them accepting they had lost, not wishing to give away any more wickets. (Or let England get any more). It seems there is some sort of cricketing version of goal difference which may be important later.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 01, 2019, 10:47:17 am
Ah, thanks, Basil.  I have a tendency to look for the biggest conspiracy!  (My county team is currently captained by sandpaperer poursuivant Bancroft!)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Edd on July 01, 2019, 02:31:26 pm
Aggers on the Today programme this morning,  put it down to them accepting they had lost, not wishing to give away any more wickets. (Or let England get any more). It seems there is some sort of cricketing version of goal difference which may be important later.

This I don't understand, the NRR has nothing to do with wickets unless you lose them all, but India didn't look like doing that. Their best way of getting a higher NRR is to score as many runs as possible and restrict the number of runs your opponent scores, identical tactics to when you try to win...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 02, 2019, 09:57:43 am
This I don't understand, the NRR has nothing to do with wickets unless you lose them all, but India didn't look like doing that.

They were effectively only one wicket (Dhoni) away from exposing the tail. If he had tried to play more shots and got out then England would have had the chance to get them all out for 270-ish and it affecting NRR which may come in to play if India were to lose to neighbours Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and Pakistan beat Bangladesh.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 02, 2019, 02:42:32 pm
Just had a quick look at the Essex scoresheet: 518 - 8 in their first innings. Cook scored 2.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO44767 refers.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on July 03, 2019, 06:52:40 pm
I don't know about anyone else, but that was probably the most remarkable run-out I've ever seen.  :o 8)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 03, 2019, 07:47:00 pm
I've seen one like that before, but the ball deflected more. It certainly helped us, and now we need to win the next Toss!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 03, 2019, 08:08:34 pm
Exactly, our chances of winning this World Cup will be greatly enhanced if we can win the next two tosses.

(Which makes the game a bit unfair, but that's just the way it is.)

(We'll get battered by Aus regardless anyway.)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: matthew on July 10, 2019, 04:51:27 pm
Well played NZ, with 239 on the board not many gave them a chance but getting early wickets (5-3) put them well ahead and they kept their nerve when India put together a lower middle order partnership to stay in the contest.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2019, 08:15:37 am
Yes, well done New Zealand.  Also an excellent win for Australia Seconds (playing as Durham) against Leicester.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on July 11, 2019, 11:03:34 am
15-3. Wow, didn't expect to be in this position.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2019, 12:03:47 pm
Good start.  I wonder how England will fare against the Aus bowlers...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: madamemugwump on July 11, 2019, 12:09:00 pm
early doors, to mix me metaphors...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2019, 12:10:46 pm
Need another wicket or two
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2019, 12:31:56 pm
At least the current RR is low (4.3)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on July 11, 2019, 12:38:11 pm
Two quick wickets thankfully! 118 for 5.


As I fancy a bit of cricket when I am on holiday, I checked the tickets for the test at Edgbaston later in the summer....well the first three days are sold out so lets look at the fourth day..... BLIMEY, £95 a ticket!

Think I will stick to listening to the most excellent TMS.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2019, 01:03:06 pm
I think TalkSport is still doing commentary for the test matches, rather than BBC(?)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on July 11, 2019, 01:11:59 pm
I think TalkSport is still doing commentary for the test matches, rather than BBC(?)

Yep, you are correct. I must admit I had forgotten!

Anyway, now 161 for 6.... England must win this now.....

SLAP!

Sorry, Ms Reality has just reminded me that this is a semi final and this is England  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: madamemugwump on July 11, 2019, 01:40:47 pm
It is the new model England, with gung-ho Morgan at the helm.... but no, old habits die hard and there are bound to be runs in the Aussie tail.... and then Starc can be an absolute menace with the ball.... no chickens counting doors, early or otherwise, from me.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on July 11, 2019, 02:10:29 pm
223 all out.... that's a bit below par but who knows.

As Tuffers has just said, "Don't take anything for granted, chasing runs is difficult."



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Post by: trekker12 on July 11, 2019, 03:47:53 pm
It's been a good start though....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on July 11, 2019, 03:53:02 pm
Indeed.... 95 for none after 15 overs.

It would be hard not to win from here..... One chicken, two chickens, three chickens, four chickens......  ;D :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: rafletcher on July 11, 2019, 04:48:03 pm
48 from 24 overs required. Even Boycott could get them home from here....
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: madamemugwump on July 11, 2019, 05:08:17 pm
At a canter it seems. Oh all yee doubters.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2019, 05:15:35 pm
 Emphatic  :thumbsup: ;D

Just seen the replay of the Smith run out by JB.  Nutmeg.  :o
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on July 11, 2019, 05:27:21 pm
That was a bit of a marmalising.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2019, 11:46:54 pm
Emphatic  :thumbsup: ;D

Just seen the replay of the Smith run out by JB.  Nutmeg.  :o

Indeed. It was lucky it missed his nuts.

Carey will have a very sore jaw. How can a helmet be knocked off by a ball?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: gibbo on July 12, 2019, 08:20:18 am
I've either listened to or watched every game of this world cup so far but due to flying on Sunday I'm going to miss the bloody final  :'(

I don't think I will even be able to watch the highlights later in the day the either that is unless someone out there knows different??
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2019, 08:26:14 am
The match will be shown free to air on Channel 4 as Sky have given up their exclusivity.

I think I read that C4 will be showing World Cup highlights and they will be available on All4 or More4 or whatever it is called.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: gibbo on July 12, 2019, 08:29:20 am
The match will be shown free to air on Channel 4 as Sky have given up their exclusivity.

I think I read that C4 will be showing World Cup highlights and they will be available on All4 or More4 or whatever it is called.

Yep, I heard that too but don't think I can view these in the US. This is purely based on my experience of trying to watch BBC video content abroad...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2019, 08:34:26 am
Ah, yes. You’ll need some tech tomfoolery, like a VPN. Or hookey streaming site.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Salvatore on July 12, 2019, 11:43:03 am
If all else fails, there are very condensed highlights on the ICC's youtube channel.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: madamemugwump on July 12, 2019, 12:52:42 pm
I was able to listen to it online via Aussie radio (ABC) as they were (re?)transmitting the TMS commentary.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 02:49:18 pm
C'mon you batsmen!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 04:32:28 pm
Struggling...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on July 14, 2019, 04:36:49 pm
what shape is the boundary supposed to be in a Cricket game? They seem to vary quite a bit.

(and where should "Cow Corner" be located?)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 04:38:51 pm
Google prediction now has NZ on 52%. 55% 67%
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 04:47:57 pm
Ok, that's it, I'm watching the tennis final for a bit.   ;) 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 05:07:44 pm
I’m going to watch the Grand Prix. More chance of a win there...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 14, 2019, 05:51:15 pm
Some excellent quick singles from NZ.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 06:15:53 pm
England are going to have to clonk it around soon.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 06:37:35 pm
Too stressful
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 14, 2019, 07:01:57 pm
What an amazing finish.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 07:02:44 pm
I think this deserves an OMG.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 07:04:05 pm
 :o :o :o :o  Not over yet. 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: The Family Cyclist on July 14, 2019, 07:11:07 pm
I went to put kids to bed. Thought it was all over then checked.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 07:16:13 pm
We need Archer to get three wickets 👍
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 07:18:29 pm
Can someone explain the tie breaker.
Title: Re: The cricket...guag
Post by: Beardy on July 14, 2019, 07:22:21 pm
Can someone explain the tie breaker.
it’s like limited over cricket, but for one over only. Only one bowler to deliver all 6 balls and the batting side has three batsmen, so loss of second wicket finishes your go. Best it in typical cricketing language, the team that bats second bats first. 😁
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 07:24:13 pm
If NZ get 16 they win. 15 and it is down to how many boundaries there were. Less than that and England win.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 14, 2019, 07:24:48 pm
Omnes:Get on wif it!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 14, 2019, 07:30:00 pm
\o/
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on July 14, 2019, 07:31:15 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: benborp on July 14, 2019, 07:31:46 pm
Bugger! It's difficult enough explaining cricket to the French under normal circumstances.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 14, 2019, 07:53:48 pm
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: simonp on July 14, 2019, 08:03:33 pm
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.

What a silly mistake. I don’t do cricket but that was an incredible listen.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2019, 09:03:13 pm
That was a bit exciting at the end.    ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: pcolbeck on July 14, 2019, 09:16:46 pm
I'm not a fan of one day cricket but blimey!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Deano on July 14, 2019, 09:26:46 pm
Glad I watched now! I never thought New Zealand would lose until that six, and then the overthrows...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: HTFB on July 14, 2019, 09:53:09 pm
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on July 14, 2019, 10:23:20 pm
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.

Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five.  :demon:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 14, 2019, 10:38:41 pm
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.

Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five.  :demon:

Or "Pick the winner of tomorrow's Tour stage" ;D
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: citoyen on July 15, 2019, 11:34:47 am
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.

I didn't realise it was on the normal telly until my son got home and asked why I wasn't watching it - fortunately, that was just in time to see the last two balls of England's last regulation over...

I think that means I saw the highlights. Yay!
 
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on July 15, 2019, 12:27:05 pm
Bugger. I missed all of that. I thought England had lost, so I switched off.

What a silly mistake. I don’t do cricket but that was an incredible listen.

Yes. I wasn't up with the rules there.  In the event of a tie in some limited over competitions, the team which has lost fewer wickets is declared the winner. I had erroneously assumed that this was a universal rule.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Nuncio on July 15, 2019, 01:10:34 pm
The only proper way to settle it, after the match was tied on the first innings, would have been to play the second innings under Timeless Test conditions.

Nah... Rock, Paper, Scissors, best of five.  :demon:

Or "Pick the winner of tomorrow's Tour stage" ;D
Or play a tennis tiebreaker (with Djokovic and Federer having to play a one-over single wicket competition when it got to 12-all in the fifth set).
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 15, 2019, 05:54:51 pm
Back to the relatively sane world of the County Championship...

Somerset are in trouble against Yorkshire, and Essex ought to beat Warks. I don't know enough about the current scoring system to know whether that will send Essex top or not.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 15, 2019, 07:21:40 pm
The plot rule thickens...

Apparently the ball was thrown before the two batsmen had crossed in the middle so it should have been 1 not 2 runs, or summat... 

 https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-overthrows-simon-taufel
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Post by: Greenbank on July 15, 2019, 08:12:57 pm
Sure, that's the literal way of reading Law 19.8 but the umpires have been quoted as saying "The overthrow was caused by a non deliberate act by the batsman, not the throw from the fielder, and at that time the batsman had crossed."

So they've decided to move the point at which Law 19.8 applies from the fielders throw to the time the ball hit the batsman. Reading Law 19.8 I don't think it had been written to cover this scenario.

The ICC said they would not be drawn into the issue. "The umpires take decisions on the field with their interpretation of the rules and we don't comment on any decisions as a matter of policy," a spokesperson said."

Who knows what would have happened if it had only been counted as 5 not 6. Maybe Rashid (who would have been on strike instead of Stokes) would have french cut the next ball for 4 and England would have won outright. Who knows.
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Post by: Jaded on July 15, 2019, 11:26:33 pm
Indeed, my reading of this is that the rule is not written for non-deliberate action by the batsman. The fielder didn’t throw the overthrow, it was caused by the interaction with the bat. So you can read it that the act that caused the overthrow occurred after the crossover.

Anyway, in the absence of clarity from the rules, the on-field umpires made a decision.

It wasn’t the last action of the match so both sides still had the opportunity to win the match. They then had this opportunity again in the Super Over.

Having said all that, it was an extraordinary end to a match and an even more extraordinary and wonderful attitude from the Black Caps to the defeat. I’d like to think we’d would have behaved in the same graceful way.

One might hope that Australian Umpires could learn from this, considering they come from a land where an underarm bowled ball was considered acceptable as the last ball of an innings in a one day match... or sandpaper in a pocket is a legitimate Test Cricket skill.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 15, 2019, 11:49:40 pm
It is known that the rules/laws of a game/sport cannot anticipate every possible eventuality. That is why people pass examinations in order to show that they are capable of applying those laws and, where curiosities occur outwith those laws, can make reasoned judgements in the face of that. It seems to me that that was what happened yesterday.

I think it's a bit unfair to denigrate all of Australian cricket because of what Trevor Chappell was instructed to do by his captain in 1981. It's worth noting that the doyen of cricket commentators made his views very clear about that incident in his commentary and summing up, and he too was an Australian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHScrCxF6Y
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Post by: Jaded on July 16, 2019, 12:07:02 am
It is known that the rules/laws of a game/sport cannot anticipate every possible eventuality. That is why people pass examinations in order to show that they are capable of applying those laws and, where curiosities occur outwith those laws, can make reasoned judgements in the face of that. It seems to me that that was what happened yesterday.

I think it's a bit unfair to denigrate all of Australian cricket because of what Trevor Chappell was instructed to do by his captain in 1981. It's worth noting that the doyen of cricket commentators made his views very clear about that incident in his commentary and summing up, and he too was an Australian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHScrCxF6Y

Not sure where this was said. Besides, you missed the sandpaper reference.

Under the rules at the time and the Umpires' rulings of the day, England & Wales won, and from what I can see their opponents of the day, the Black Caps, have gracefully accepted that.

Edited to add in Wales.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 16, 2019, 04:22:01 pm
Essex win, Somerset lose. Essex go top!
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Post by: Jaded on July 24, 2019, 12:25:49 pm
I understand Ireland are playing cricket at Lords today. It looks like they are the only side there.
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Post by: Peter on July 25, 2019, 09:55:32 am
Yes, with the Ashes only a week away, we may have to hope the Australians will have died laughing by then.
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Post by: trekker12 on July 25, 2019, 12:27:17 pm
Not if we put our nightwatchman in as our best opener to surprise them - he's heading for fifty......
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Post by: Peter on July 25, 2019, 01:41:49 pm
Yes, but have we got anyone who can stay with him?!  I think Jimmy Anderson used to be the number 11 who was least out in Test matches, but he may not be fit enough to open!
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Post by: andyoxon on July 25, 2019, 03:10:36 pm
"Jack Leach has sucked the life blood out of Ireland"  TMS    ;D
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Post by: Peter on July 26, 2019, 10:12:05 am
They're not too strong on fact, either.  Agnew was whining, rather pompously, I thought, about them coming off for lightning, exclaiming that a storm is a mile away for every second between lightning and thunder.  Only 500% out and an easy mistake to make if you are a pundit.
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Post by: Jaded on August 01, 2019, 01:24:01 am
We saw a match today.

We were right by the '4 6 Wicket' Gas Burners, so occasionally got warmed up
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_4746.jpg)

Afterwards we saw the deserved Ashes presentation to the Aussies, and met with members of the England team, who, despite losing the Ashes, were delighted to win tonight and were quite upbeat. One of them told us how they won today, but I don't think it can be made public.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_4751.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_4755.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Jul%2031%202019%20P7310051.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/IMG_4760.jpg)
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Post by: Jaded on August 01, 2019, 12:15:37 pm
Quite a good start at Edgbaston today.
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Post by: Basil on August 01, 2019, 01:14:42 pm
Quite a good start at Edgbaston Balsall Heath today.

FTFY
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Post by: spesh on August 01, 2019, 02:56:07 pm
Quite a good start at Edgbaston today.

The flip side is that our openers could be facing that movement of the ball before, or not long after, tea at this rate.

Unless Smith really makes a sand...
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Post by: Jaded on August 01, 2019, 05:33:39 pm
Smith looks key to the Aussies  ;D
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Post by: spesh on August 01, 2019, 05:40:23 pm
Well, seeing as the rest aren't up to scratch and are having a rough time of it, you could say he's papering over the cracks...
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Post by: Peter on August 02, 2019, 11:25:47 am
Stev(i)e Smith reaches 100; "not drowning but waving".
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Post by: andyoxon on August 02, 2019, 02:51:23 pm
Quote
Posted at 14:36

The Aussies aren't happy with the ball. (I can see you sniggering).

They think it has gone out of shape but the umpires check it fits through their metal rings and, when it does, toss it back to them.
TMS

 ;D  ;)
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Post by: andyoxon on August 03, 2019, 12:35:17 pm
Skittles.
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Post by: mattc on August 03, 2019, 04:29:55 pm
Is it just me that finds it much more exciting rooting for the bowling side??

(I was pleased for Mr Burns during his gutsy knock, but I didn't get any buzz out of it. Whereas waiting for the next wicket ... :)  )
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Post by: Peter on August 03, 2019, 05:42:32 pm
Yes, it probably is just you!

On the subject of Burns.  I was very pleased for him yesterday.  But I don't think we should hold our breath if we think we've solved the problem of England's openers (or top eight!).  Starting fresh today, he scored 8, Stokes sbout 2, etc.  Great match, though!
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Post by: Von Broad on August 04, 2019, 09:36:40 pm
Starting fresh today, he scored 8, Stokes sbout 2, etc.

Stokes was probably having a shower while he was scoring these runs at this point :-)

But yes, terrific game. And into a fifth day.....for a [remotely] possible draw [crosses fingers].
Rain dance wouldn't go a miss either!
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Post by: Greenbank on August 04, 2019, 11:42:18 pm
Draw is roughly equal odds to an Aus win at the moment.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket (Eng 46, Draw 2.05, Aus 1.95 at time of writing)

England threw this away by trusting whoever conducted Anderson's fitness test, but given that, they had a chance to save it but for some bizarre decisions from the captain (e.g. why did Woakes only bowl 7 overs, there must be a reason!)

Early on in this test match it felt like we had a chance of winning back the Ashes, now I'm just wondering whether it will be 3-0 or 4-0 they thump us.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2019, 09:33:00 am
I don't think the forecast favours the likely effectiveness of a  rain dance. Looks like perfect batting conditions though... ;)
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Post by: andyoxon on August 05, 2019, 11:08:56 am
So, can England bat all day..?

Will be good to see Archer return...
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Post by: matthew on August 05, 2019, 11:25:38 am
Archer needs to prove his fitness in a 4 day game somewhere, we need to learn the lesson of Anderson's calf.

The only way we bat all day is if Root and Stokes each face >150 balls
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Post by: andyoxon on August 05, 2019, 12:55:59 pm
yep, 4 wkts gone - not looking likely.  They're doomed, doomed...
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Post by: Von Broad on August 05, 2019, 02:11:10 pm
Well, it's all been very fascinating......Aussie has exposed lots for England to be very concerned about in the coming weeks.

Psychologically, to the have the visitors 122-8 on the first day after losing the toss, only to be ultimately well and truly hammered.....is a mighty kick in the balls.

Lots to look forward too though :-)
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Post by: andyoxon on August 05, 2019, 02:27:15 pm
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 05, 2019, 02:39:18 pm
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.

TMS came up with a solution that might be worthy of consideration: position Rory Bremner in a close fielding position to quietly tell a few jokes with the hope of 'putting him off'.

Where can a bowler find a piece of sandpaper when they need it? :-)
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 05, 2019, 03:00:29 pm
Well, this is all looking a bit ignominious...
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Post by: Greenbank on August 05, 2019, 04:43:06 pm
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.

They need to do a few things.

Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).

Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.

The wankery over him on TMS is getting a bit too much. What's worse is every single commentator/summariser change (every 20/30 minutes) brings another 5-10 minutes of the same old shit being rehashed.
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Post by: Jaded on August 05, 2019, 05:14:39 pm
At lunchtime I thought we were doing rather well. Then I discovered that I’d somehow missed 4 notifications.

TMS? Boycott should be retired immediately. He comes from a previous century, nearly as far back as Rees-Mogg. Next, I appreciate they have an Australian audience, but when that Aussie comes on, with his back to front match statistics, getting excited about Aus scoring, I wonder what country I’m in.

Why wasn’t Woakes bowled more yesterday? Did I miss something?
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Post by: DuncanM on August 05, 2019, 05:32:22 pm
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.

They need to do a few things.

Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).

Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.
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Post by: Von Broad on August 05, 2019, 06:21:52 pm
Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.

Problem is - he's too good a player to give too much away, so when the ball ceases to start helping the faster bowlers, decent balls become much easier to judge, as has been the case in this match, and with the pitch getting a bit slow and flat but turning, you look to your spinners, and unfortunately England don't have a spinner in Lyon's league. 
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Post by: Von Broad on August 05, 2019, 06:35:41 pm
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.

They need to do a few things.

Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).

Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.

Problem with that is, all he has to do is stand there, do nothing and watch the bowlers knacker themselves out.
England will need to try and win a game at some point. Which I'm sure they will  :)
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Post by: Peter on August 06, 2019, 02:33:05 am
Smith is NOT the problem.  Get the others out.  The problem is that we can't bat for a day.  Why is Buttler in the team?  He didn't have a particularly good world cup and his long game average is worse than Lyon's bowling average.  We make Lyon look better than he is.  Certainly he has plenty of wickets - but he plays against England.  His bowling average is in the thirties, which (I don't think) is particularly brilliant.  As I mentioned earlier, Burns is not the great hope.  His last two starts have yielded low scores.  Root can (or used to be able to) bat but he couldn't captain a solo dinghy.  Why did he bowl twenty-odd overs and Woakes about 13?

All credit to Australia, even if they have been a bunch of cheats in the past.  I think it's all back-fired on England spectacularly, especially the booing,  Australia cheated against South Africa, for God's sake - they didn't need to cheat against England - the ball wasn't old enough!

And no, Joffra Archer isn't the answer, either, and it's wrong for him to have that pressure.

I'm irrationally angry about this!  They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions.  Fine them!
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Post by: toontra on August 06, 2019, 08:20:44 am
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).

Talk about down to earth with a bump.  They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 06, 2019, 08:44:13 am
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).

Talk about down to earth with a bump.  They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.

I heard some discussion on TMS of the WC 'overthrows' saying the the law should be amended to 'if the ball is still active' the run counts, not was it thrown before the batsmen crossed.  This since the laws of cricket are relevant to the village green, where there would realistically be no way, to pick the bones of this particular freak occurence.  In any event in cricket the umpires have been know to get stuff wrong.  Tiny margin though yes.
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Post by: Greenbank on August 06, 2019, 09:14:53 am
Whatever they say, they've allowed winning the world cup to give them illusions of grandeur that they plainly don't merit. The world cup was won with the narrowest conceivable margin and was aided by bucket-loads of luck and possibly an umpire error that turned the outcome (6 overthrows rather than 5).

Talk about down to earth with a bump.  They look fragile from top to bottom without exception, and I get the sense that Australia are only firing on 3 cylinders at the moment.

I heard some discussion on TMS of the WC 'overthrows' saying the the law should be amended to 'if the ball is still active' the run counts, not was it thrown before the batsmen crossed.  This since the laws of cricket are relevant to the village green, where there would realistically be no way, to pick the bones of this particular freak occurence.  In any event in cricket the umpires have been know to get stuff wrong.  Tiny margin though yes.

Indeed, it was Jason Holder of "You are the umpire" fame, you can find the podcast of his lunch time chat on the BBC website. His opinion is that the existing law is wrong ("not fit for purpose" was his exact words I believe) and needs changing. His argument was that the ball was still live until it hit the boundary rope so why would you stop counting their runs (or partially completed runs if they'd crossed) when the fielder threw the ball. It's convention that the batsmen run no more after the ball has hit them, and they didn't run any more, it's just a freak occurrence that the ball went to the boundary after hitting the bat of Stokes. The law (as written) doesn't deal with that situation clearly and so the on-filed umpires used their discretion/experience/judgement.

He also said that had he been umpiring that day he would have awarded 6 runs in the same way, and the ICC stood by the on-field umpires decisions on the day (because they never question umpires decisions). The laws of cricket do not cover every eventuality and some eventualities they cover they produce the wrong results, it's up to the umpires on the day to use their experience and judgement to come up with the most obvious and sensible outcome. Awarding just 5 runs in the Guptill/Stokes situation was not the most obvious/sensible outcome.

Expect that law (19.8) to be amended in the next few years.
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Post by: DuncanM on August 06, 2019, 09:45:08 am
England's bowling attack need to be able to deal with Smith, somehow.

They need to do a few things.

Off the top of my head I can think of:-
* Not lose their main pace/swing bowler after 4 overs
* Stop thinking it's impossible to begin with
* Stop listening to the media who keep saying it's impossible
* Stop thinking we have to do something amazing to get him out (a la Kane Williamson in the CWC).

Just bowl decent balls and he'll nick off or misjudge one at some point.
And if that doesn't work then bowl a foot outside off stump to off-side fields and stop him scoring runs. It's boring, but they have 5 days, and if they take the other 10 wickets and he gets 50*, that's fine.

Problem with that is, all he has to do is stand there, do nothing and watch the bowlers knacker themselves out.
England will need to try and win a game at some point. Which I'm sure they will  :)
Not losing would be a good start. ;)
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Post by: mattc on August 07, 2019, 07:22:53 pm
I'm irrationally angry about this!  They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions.  Fine them!
Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??

*yes, I know. Sorry.

If jaded is moaning about Mitchell Johnson in commentary, I have to say I quite like him. Yes, I am enjoying listening to an elite Aussie sportsman. Strewth!
(he won me over in the interview about  That Song (https://www.barmyarmy.com/uploads/songbooks/songbook_5.pdf):
Aggers: so did it ever get to you?
Johnson: a bit. The problem was it was so catchy - you just couldn't help singing it!)

Do bowlers make better pundits? Are they the game's thinkers (in general)? Are batsmen mainly playing on instinct in that half-second, while the bowler is thinking for the whole time between one delivery and the next?

Yes, Boycott is an idiot - but he's entertaining in the small doses we get, and does know a lot.
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Post by: Jaded on August 07, 2019, 10:46:52 pm
No, it wasn't Mitchell Johnson, it sounded like a fossil like Boycott.

Yes, I heard MJ taking about That Song. It was quite funny.

I should have sent in question about when he got a standing ovation at Cardiff last time around, when he reached 100 runs and no wickets.
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Post by: Peter on August 08, 2019, 09:54:07 am
I'm irrationally angry about this!  They've let the public (who pay their wages) down by making stupid decisions.  Fine them!
Flippin 'eck! Peter is ranting, and I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread - is this the beginning of The End Times for English* Sport??



Sorry, Matt: I can cope with Ashley owning my football club, the shambles in the Labour Party,  or the cricket; but all together?!  I'd try deep-breathing but there's the pollen!
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Post by: Greenbank on August 08, 2019, 12:32:40 pm
I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread

I'm not angry at all.

Cricket, like most sport watched, is entertainment.

I'd only be angry if it was my own involvement that was causing problems.
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Post by: andyoxon on August 15, 2019, 02:37:23 pm
England's bowling performance looks like it will be key again.
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Post by: mattc on August 15, 2019, 07:08:24 pm
I've never seen Greenbank and Jaded this angry on the same thread

I'm not angry at all.

Cricket, like most sport watched, is entertainment.

I'd only be angry if it was my own involvement that was causing problems.
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.

I look forward to new vocabulary as the series develops :)
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Post by: Greenbank on August 15, 2019, 10:16:12 pm
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.

Who was it directed at? Hint: Not the England cricketers.

Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.

I think the vast majority of them need to play less white ball cricket, but there's far more £££ in that than test cricket.
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Post by: DuncanM on August 16, 2019, 09:01:29 am
Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.

I think the vast majority of them need to play less white ball cricket, but there's far more £££ in that than test cricket.
To be fair, it's England who picked them for white ball stuff and stopped them playing for their counties.

I think the test team are where the 1 day team were 10 years ago - picking lots of supposed all-rounders only really works if they are good enough with ball and bat (in which case you'll be the best team in the world). It they aren't (and the majority never are), you end up with a top order, and then a bunch of #7s batting higher than they should and vulnerable to a good bowling attack. And our top order isn't exactly solid at the moment either.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: toontra on August 18, 2019, 11:07:54 am
The cretins who were booing Smith as he came back on yesterday should have been ejected from the ground by stewards as far as I'm concerned.  They clearly know nothing about cricket, bravery, or much about anything for that matter.  And at Lords of all places.
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Post by: mattc on August 18, 2019, 03:07:36 pm
Well you did use the word "wankery" - that isn't your usual restrained self.

Who was it directed at? Hint: Not the England cricketers.
Apologies, didn't mean to misrepresent you. I shall work on my diligence ...

Anyway, more fucknuggetry from the majority of England's top order.

That's better!
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Post by: mattc on August 18, 2019, 03:10:28 pm
MEANWHILE ...
Our chaps are putting on quite a good show now. Talk of declarations  :o  :)


But I cannot explain this:
The cretins who were booing Smith as he came back on yesterday should have been ejected from the ground by stewards as far as I'm concerned.  They clearly know nothing about cricket, bravery, or much about anything for that matter.  And at Lords of all places.
:(
Didn't hear this - hopefully it was just a few utter "fucknuggets", and Smith realises that he doesn't need to give a dingo about what they think.

GWS Smithy!
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Post by: andyoxon on August 18, 2019, 06:55:36 pm
Mildly amusing to hear Labuschagne pronounced Labooshane, rather than a guttural Labusschuhnee...

edit   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVbqyRhZMmY  the man himself, apparently his wife says Labooshane...

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 18, 2019, 08:31:00 pm
This is not an outstanding Australian ream - but they are tough!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Basil on August 18, 2019, 08:34:15 pm
First time I have seen a reference to 'The Men's Ashes' on the BBC site.
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Post by: Jaded on August 18, 2019, 08:39:51 pm
Well, that was an 8nteresrumg match.  We only have to with the last three now!
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Post by: Greenbank on August 20, 2019, 02:00:34 pm
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.

Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
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Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2019, 03:08:03 pm
Bloody hell!

Championship leaders Essex were all out for 114. That really sounds bad...

until you find out that Kent, in response are 23-8.


Mind you, Kent did bat first so notched up a first innings lead of 112.

It's at Canterbury. Quite a few years ago Essex were deprived of the title because they were docked points for a dodgy wicket at Southchurch Park. At least they can't be blamed for the state of the Canterbury wicket - if, indeed, it is responsible for the 18 wickets that have fallen today for hardly any runs.
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Post by: essexian on August 20, 2019, 03:12:21 pm
Didn't the last two Kent wickets in the first innings hit 88? If so..... glup! Without such a final stand, Essex may face a run chase of !50 or so....

Just read the Guardian who say the pitch is blameless.

Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2019, 03:41:04 pm
Kent all out for 40. Essex need 153 to win.
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Post by: essexian on August 20, 2019, 05:36:48 pm
Glup.... 88 for 6 needing just over 60 to win.....

If Essex throw this away they only get 3 points from this match and may kiss the championship goodbye! :facepalm:
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2019, 05:39:40 pm
Indeed. Not looking good.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2019, 06:38:36 pm
Essex 138 - 6 needing 15 more to win...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2019, 07:02:03 pm
153 - 7. Essex win by 3 wickets. Crikey.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 20, 2019, 07:48:24 pm
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.

Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).

His (very sad) withdrawal has given England a massive lifeline. I'm still not betting on them, but it has got interesting now!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 20, 2019, 08:38:04 pm
I think the Ashes winner is the one with the most wins, so in fact Aus could win this series 1-0

We need to win two and draw one, I think
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: The Family Cyclist on August 20, 2019, 09:01:15 pm
Slightly shocked Essex won. In two van journeys today totaling around 90 minutes must have heard at least 10 wickets fall.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 21, 2019, 08:53:59 am
Slightly shocked Essex won. In two van journeys today totaling around 90 minutes must have heard at least 10 wickets fall.

Yes indeed. Getting Kent all out for 40 was a bit of a coup. I remember Essex skittling Surrey for 14 on a perfectly benign pitch. Surrey batted properly in the second innings. Match drawn.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 21, 2019, 10:28:27 am
And the Aussies only have to win one (or draw two) to retain the Ashes.

Smith out for Headingley though, not sure who they are likely to pull in to replace him.
Smith was a 1-man army. The other 21 players have been pretty ropey (with the odd promise of brilliance).

His (very sad) withdrawal has given England a massive lifeline. I'm still not betting on them, but it has got interesting now!

Smith could certainly be considered as a 1-man army but I don't think that means they have no other fighters!  This is Australia we are talking about and they buckle far less often than England, I think.  Their bowlers are pretty good, although I'd like to see Lyon whacked a lot more.  Remember his graceless comment about "ending some careers" last time around?  He's still a tricky bowler, though, even though his average is poor for a top spinner.  Labuschagne, the Afrikaaner, is tough.  He headed Archer's second ball away and still went on to make 50 and was only out to a freak catch.  I think he may prove to be a genuine like-for-like replacement for Smith and televisually much more acceptable to watch.  I don't like the way Smith has been eliminated from this series, though I think it was because he shut his eyes, in most uncharacteristic fashion.  I'm not sure Archer will get too many wickets "bowled" if he keeps bowling so short.  He gets LBWs, so CAN be accurate on the stumps but he needs to give the batsmen time to get out of the way if he wants the stumps to crash!  He's certainly exciting.

If it wasn't for England's frailty, I'd say it was fascinatingly poised!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Nuncio on August 21, 2019, 12:42:44 pm
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 21, 2019, 12:48:56 pm
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?

You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 21, 2019, 02:23:18 pm
Somerset, Essex's closest rivals at the top of the County Championship, are making a good effort to get the 258 they need to beat Warks. Currently 134-3.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 21, 2019, 07:59:26 pm
Somerset did well to win that. Scoring over 250 in the 4th innings and losing only 5 wickets in the process is impressive.

Their no. 4 batsman, Babar, scored a "patient" 40 off 133 deliveries. Earlier on it had been a glacial 18 off 108 deliveries. That's exactly 1 run per over, if my arithmetic is correct.

Essex are still top, but only by 2 points now. It would appear that there are now 3 more matches for each team, but not until 10th September. Playing proper cricket so late in the season, in my view, turns it into a lottery. It's far more likely that bad weather and bad light will affect the games.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 22, 2019, 07:39:21 pm
Crikey!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Nuncio on August 22, 2019, 08:06:42 pm
I pity the Channel 5 highlights show people. The programme started while there was still half an hour of the day’s play to go and no shortage of action in that last half hour to try and edit.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 23, 2019, 10:48:23 am
C'mon you batsmen keep it together now.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 23, 2019, 11:26:28 am
2 down already.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 23, 2019, 11:37:30 am
2 down already.

What on earth is going on with Roy?
How many more times does he have to get himself out?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 23, 2019, 11:58:43 am
Looks like England are going with the collapse option...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: trekker12 on August 23, 2019, 12:36:06 pm
Awful
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 23, 2019, 12:54:25 pm
Imagine what it feels like for Archer, Broad and Woakes sitting there looking at this calamity!!!!
Goodness me.
The Aussies are bowling really well by the sounds of it....but for heavens sake, why are we so good at chucking wickets away?

I'm jealous of those folk cycling back to the ferry from PBP - nice trundle back, sunshine, stop for a beer and oblivious to this farce :-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Nuncio on August 23, 2019, 01:24:29 pm
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?
I also have a ticket for the first day at the Oval, as insurance. Odds on rain?
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Greenbank on August 23, 2019, 01:27:12 pm
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?

You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.

This may not age very well.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: andyoxon on August 23, 2019, 02:05:47 pm
Farewell to the little urn...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: spesh on August 23, 2019, 02:06:30 pm
<checks score>

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarking hell...   :o  ::-)

This doesn't come out too often, but I think the Picard ASCI-palm is called for:

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Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: PaulF on August 23, 2019, 02:09:10 pm
At 66-9 the only positive is that Australia didn’t score enough runs to enforce a follow on.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 23, 2019, 02:14:17 pm
OK. Who was it that said we all need to play like Archer?

Archer 45-6
England 45-6...
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Jaded on August 23, 2019, 02:22:37 pm
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and that was the first day. Odds on the game being over by cop Saturday?

You'd get quite long odds on it being done in 3 days.

Oh, I’m not so sure...

Aus bat for the rest of the day then put us in tomorrow. All over by lunch.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: essexian on August 23, 2019, 02:23:35 pm
OK. Who was it that said we all need to play like Archer?

Archer 45-6
England 45-6...

I am sure they thought you meant: "play like Geoffrey Archer....."  :facepalm:


Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 23, 2019, 09:26:56 pm
This may well be the best thing that's happened to English Test cricket for years, win or lose.  It's time for a bloody clear out of the organisation and attitudes.  On a different tack, much as I'm amused by Geoff Boycott (I was once having physio in the same cubicle but that's another story) and generally think he speaks sense (he agrees with my first-mentioned sentiment) I must argue against his continued assertion that Root is England's best player and so should bat at number 4.  If he's England's best player, it's from a very poor bunch and he's nowhere near as good as Stokes to the team.  And even Stokes threw his wicket away.  Root is sadly back to his non-playing captain role.

I'm usually wrong, so am looking forward to Root's double hundred tomorrow!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 23, 2019, 09:31:14 pm
It's only a game, get over it, don't take it all so seriously, who gives a flying etc , and all that stuff....etc

I understand that, but I can honestly say I can't remember being so psychologically deflated and affected by a sporting performance, specifically the national cricket team, for a long, long time......given the context of the first innings bowling performance and the whole series.

It was just so, so dreadful to listen too....

Still....the sun shines tomorrow :-)
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Peter on August 23, 2019, 09:34:25 pm
Yeah - Australian conditions..........!

Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments about what's actually significant and still being depressed!
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: Von Broad on August 23, 2019, 10:07:45 pm
On a different tack, much as I'm amused by Geoff Boycott (I was once having physio in the same cubicle but that's another story) and generally think he speaks sense (he agrees with my first-mentioned sentiment) I must argue against his continued assertion that Root is England's best player and so should bat at number 4.  If he's England's best player, it's from a very poor bunch and he's nowhere near as good as Stokes to the team.  And even Stokes threw his wicket away.  Root is sadly back to his non-playing captain role.

I feel a bit compelled to stick up for Root....a little.
Having taken on the No3 role through the absence of a 'natural' No3, he's being exposed to the new ball and fresh fast bowlers far too early in the innings, due to the failure of the openers, that he's almost operating as an opener....and he's most definitely not an opener.

Also the first delivery he got today from Hazlewood was a delivery any bowler would be jealous of - just such a brilliant ball. He has to play at it.

Scroll down a bit, if you haven't seen it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49451295

I wonder about his suitability as a captain more than anything.
Title: Re: The cricket...
Post by: mattc on August 24, 2019, 07:38:05 am
And I have a ticket for Sunday. I've only ever been to one test match before and