Coronavirus and Audax

[wilkyboy]

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However, in the UK you almost never see a police car down a lane, so it should be trivial to go out riding and staying undiscovered, should such a restriction be brought in, at least for those people who live in or very close to the countryside.  Mobilise the TA, though, and that changes a little, at least on the main roads.  Or else the police just hook into Strava for a month ...
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"In a picture posted to Twitter, the [French] national police appear to have reprimanded a cyclist following an anonymous tip, and demanded a €135 fine for breaching the current confinement laws."

[Martin]

Isn't a reason for the poor response in Italy due to the fact that the lock down didn't start quick enough?

who knows? they reckon we will be where Italy are in 2-3 weeks. We won't be able to lock down it will be a case of "head for the hills" which is why they know they cannot lock London down on its own.

The lockdown idea will only work if the virus gets bored and goes away, it's not going anywhere soon IMO despite our efforts to contain it

[IanDG]

Time to start searching the garage for the rollers me thinks

[IanDG]

Isn't a reason for the poor response in Italy due to the fact that the lock down didn't start quick enough?

who knows? they reckon we will be where Italy are in 2-3 weeks. We won't be able to lock down it will be a case of "head for the hills" which is why they know they cannot lock London down on its own.

The lockdown idea will only work if the virus gets bored and goes away, it's not going anywhere soon IMO despite our efforts to contain it

3-4 months for the first day with no reported cases in China? Going to be June or July before things get any better

[Davef]

I know that some reading this will at once cry out loud that cycling is a safe sport hobby...

method of locomotion (aka transport)?

That's alright then. No need for methods of locomotion when you are all confined to home.
 We had clarification about what close to home means in exercise terms for the administration - 2km, walking, running or cycling. The enforcers are going to be out in force this week-end if the weather's nice and there is no truce. Now it's fines all round. 70 000 controls and over 4000 fines since wednesday morning (that was only yesterday!) according to BBC quoting Castaner, the Interior Minister (although I haven't seen that in french).
One can discuss or argue about this but I sure ain't doing that with a gang of flics all with pistols at their waists!

You are in France which has gone for the hard lockdown along with Italy and Spain. The other EU / non EU countries are seeing what happens and have generally taken a cautious approach (apart from UK because the government can't afford to shut our pubs restaurants and shops even though they must)

I've noticed over the years that on the Continent people generally do what's asked of them while the UK tends to rebel which is sort of happening now.

Everyone is waiting to see what will happen in Italy so far it's had no effect, the hard lockdown can't seriously go on for the 12 weeks suggested by PMBJ

No idea which joker suggested the London Lockdown, like that's ever gonna work. I work in London but don't live there how are they going to stop me coming in / out and vice versa?

Just read that HCPC are looking at ways to bring back to work people who have deregistered in the last 3 years - that would include me.

yes they will be looking for people to fill the jobs of people who have to stay at home for self isolation or kids off school

I'm also a BMS

When you say “the lockdown in Italy hasn’t worked” what do you mean exactly ? There have been 3000 deaths so far in Italy. Are you saying there would have been less without the lockdown . With the refined data and the imperial college model with no intervention there would be 510,000 U.K. deaths, with the original plan spreading the peak over a few months 260,000 deaths, with the lock down and spreading it over 18 months 20,000 deaths.


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[IanDG]

So club puts a message out (Sunday) saying that all club events are cancelled until further notice and today the chair gets an e-mail complaint from a member of the public about 8 irresponsible riders 'racing' (hard group training 20mph+ - I've just looked on Strava) around the usual evening training circuit. Idiots 

[LMT]

Isn't a reason for the poor response in Italy due to the fact that the lock down didn't start quick enough?

who knows? they reckon we will be where Italy are in 2-3 weeks. We won't be able to lock down it will be a case of "head for the hills" which is why they know they cannot lock London down on its own.

The lockdown idea will only work if the virus gets bored and goes away, it's not going anywhere soon IMO despite our efforts to contain it

3-4 months for the first day with no reported cases in China? Going to be June or July before things get any better

3-4 months was with Wuhan going into lockdown for approx. the last six weeks which AFAIK is mostly still the case. Only this week the Chinese have started to lift some restrictions.

[Hot Flatus]

We arent in lockdown (this post will age badly...like 4 days badly) but people have been self-isolating, and the streets of London have been quiet, and this is without laws restricting movement. Equally, panic buying demonstrates that many people are taking this seriously.

There are cultural aspects to this. Japan is coping well in part because there is a strong culture of social obedience.

Nevertheless, UK has a steeper mortality curve than Italy.  This will be horrendous.

It may pale into insignificance when the virus hits countries like Pakistan and India

[ElyDave]

My wife is very worried about extended family in India, I'm very worried about a colleague and family close to Milan. After twelve years working together it feels like I know her family.

This is getting g a lot worse before it gets any better, and if we don't start acting sanely like them foreigners do, then imposed controls will be needed.

[Martin]

So California have gone for voluntary lockdown; this will be interesting

[Davef]

My local pub is doing deliveries to nearby houses. Full English tomorrow.


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[Davef]

I am going to do a virtual 200k with virtual controls at the various local businesses that deliver!


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[mzjo]

I've just looked at the list on the beeb of the professions with access to school for their kids. Comparing with France, my first reaction is "wouldn't it be shorter to give a list of which professions are excluded?" It seems to me that there are very few professions that couldn't wangle a place on the list even if they weren't completely necessary in the virus fight(Incidentally as I understand it the system in France is more orientated to gardienage than teaching. One of our friends is employed looking after primary kids for carers. Lovely teaching situation if it was one, groups of 8.

[Hot Flatus]

Nothing has been said, but looking ahead, I'm not anticipating much in the way a holiday this easter.

[Peter]

How does all this "home delivery" thing work, whether it's food from pubs, or supermarkets?  With the elderly self-isolating, they are less likely to carry the virus than the pub or shopworkers who will be delivering.  Can the virus not live on the containers, or what?  How long before it is safe to pick something up off your step (assuming it hasn't already been nicked?  Should we be wearing gloves to take things from shelves in shops and using the checkouts?  I am, at tjhe moment but it seems very hit and miss from the shelf-stackers.

[Davef]

It is not saying that those particular professions are automatically critical. For example if you are a cleaner depending whether you work in hospitals or pubs will obviously make a big difference. Employers will also need to confirm the particular employee is critical.


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[Cudzoziemiec]

Isn't a reason for the poor response in Italy due to the fact that the lock down didn't start quick enough?

who knows? they reckon we will be where Italy are in 2-3 weeks. We won't be able to lock down it will be a case of "head for the hills" which is why they know they cannot lock London down on its own.

The lockdown idea will only work if the virus gets bored and goes away, it's not going anywhere soon IMO despite our efforts to contain it

3-4 months for the first day with no reported cases in China? Going to be June or July before things get any better

5 months from initial case was predicted recently by Wellcome trust.

[mzjo]

I know that some reading this will at once cry out loud that cycling is a safe sport hobby...

method of locomotion (aka transport)?

That's alright then. No need for methods of locomotion when you are all confined to home.
 We had clarification about what close to home means in exercise terms for the administration - 2km, walking, running or cycling. The enforcers are going to be out in force this week-end if the weather's nice and there is no truce. Now it's fines all round. 70 000 controls and over 4000 fines since wednesday morning (that was only yesterday!) according to BBC quoting Castaner, the Interior Minister (although I haven't seen that in french).
One can discuss or argue about this but I sure ain't doing that with a gang of flics all with pistols at their waists!

You are in France which has gone for the hard lockdown along with Italy and Spain. The other EU / non EU countries are seeing what happens and have generally taken a cautious approach (apart from UK because the government can't afford to shut our pubs restaurants and shops even though they must)

I've noticed over the years that on the Continent people generally do what's asked of them while the UK tends to rebel which is sort of happening now.

Everyone is waiting to see what will happen in Italy so far it's had no effect, the hard lockdown can't seriously go on for the 12 weeks suggested by PMBJ

No idea which joker suggested the London Lockdown, like that's ever gonna work. I work in London but don't live there how are they going to stop me coming in / out and vice versa?

Just read that HCPC are looking at ways to bring back to work people who have deregistered in the last 3 years - that would include me.

yes they will be looking for people to fill the jobs of people who have to stay at home for self isolation or kids off school

I'm also a BMS

I think the reason why Italy, Spain and France are on lockdown is in fact they are the countries where people are not socially responsible. If all the french idiots (which isn't the whole population) hadn't decided to go shopping in groups, followed by a nice stroll for everyone on the beach or in the woods and a lot of group cycling last week-end we probably would not now be in lockdown.

[Peat]

How does all this "home delivery" thing work, whether it's food from pubs, or supermarkets?  With the elderly self-isolating, they are less likely to carry the virus than the pub or shopworkers who will be delivering.  Can the virus not live on the containers, or what?  How long before it is safe to pick something up off your step (assuming it hasn't already been nicked?  Should we be wearing gloves to take things from shelves in shops and using the checkouts?  I am, at tjhe moment but it seems very hit and miss from the shelf-stackers.

Just imagine that the packaging is covered in mud and you don't want to get any of it on your face/in your mouth.

[Peat]

My local pub is doing deliveries to nearby houses. Full English tomorrow.

Disappointingly, my local has gone all Tim Martin on us and is spamming social media with "We are OPEN. Business as usual. Quiz at 8pm" etc

I get it. He finally purchased the pub after years of running it. The future must look very bleak, but i can't help but think he's being a bit irresponsible. Infact, i know he is . I've lost count of the number of times he's been serving or socialising with punters when he's visibly/audibly thick with lurgy.

[andyoxon]

We arent in lockdown (this post will age badly...like 4 days badly) but people have been self-isolating, and the streets of London have been quiet, and this is without laws restricting movement. Equally, panic buying demonstrates that many people are taking this seriously.

There are cultural aspects to this. Japan is coping well in part because there is a strong culture of social obedience.

Nevertheless, UK has a steeper mortality curve than Italy.  This will be horrendous.

It may pale into insignificance when the virus hits countries like Pakistan and India

Perhaps the weather will help reduce spread?  e.g. Currently low-mid 30s in Delhi.  [quick non-audax comment]

[Hot Flatus]

Really hope so.

[Cudzoziemiec]

Hope so but evidence from Australia...

[wilkyboy]

I think the reason why Italy, Spain and France are on lockdown is in fact they are the countries where people are not socially responsible. If all the french idiots (which isn't the whole population) hadn't decided to go shopping in groups, followed by a nice stroll for everyone on the beach or in the woods and a lot of group cycling last week-end we probably would not now be in lockdown.

I can't comment on the behaviour of people in specific countries, but can say that it doesn't take many "rule breakers" to make it look bad and so for the authorities to clamp down, and hard.  The photos of people on the Tube made it look really empty for the Tube, but still nowhere near the prescribed 2m distancing.  It just looks bad.

It's not restricted to London either — I was invited out to the pub last night!  I declined.

Everyone needs to get better at this, or else it's strict curfew for us too (in the UK).  I'm not holding my breath ... ride your bike while it's still allowed.

[Hot Flatus]

Packed tubes this morning because reduced service.

Law of unintended consequences