Super-Twat

[ElyDave]

I said that to Mrs ED the other day, it didn't go down well.

Just imagine a ride or TT around the M25, what fun

[citoyen]

Simple. Ban cars.

Doesn’t solve the problem of floating bus stops unless you also ban buses. And bikes sharing the lane with buses is not exactly problem-free.

What do they do in the Netherlands? Surely someone must have come up with a workable solution to this somewhere?

[fd3]

Gillian Keegan and Rish!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69013002
For playing political football with children.

[andrewc]

Have we had Looza this week ?


https://www.thepoke.com/2024/05/16/laurence-fox-compared-james-bond/

[grams]

What do they do in the Netherlands? Surely someone must have come up with a workable solution to this somewhere?

A textbook Dutch urban street already has the cycle track running down the centre of each pavement, so they just put the shelter on the half of the pavement that's nearest the road, maybe skewing the track away a bit to make more space.

(other designs with e.g. the cycle track running between the shelter and the road also exist)

[citoyen]

What do they do in the Netherlands? Surely someone must have come up with a workable solution to this somewhere?

A textbook Dutch urban street already has the cycle track running down the centre of each pavement, so they just put the shelter on the half of the pavement that's nearest the road, maybe skewing the track away a bit to make more space.

Sounds vaguely familiar from my experience of cycling in the Netherlands now you mention it.

(other designs with e.g. the cycle track running between the shelter and the road also exist)

So people have to cross the cycle lane from the shelter to board the bus? Not sure I like the sound of that.

[Beardy]

The fact is when we share space there are going to be points of potential conflict. The sensible solution is for,all parties to,recognise these pinch points and alter their behaviour accordingly. Unfortunately people are inherently not sensible and expect to continue in their,own bubble without recourse to others which inevitably leads to those potential points of conflict becoming actual points of conflict.

[Polar Bear]

Put the bikes down the middle and the buses on either side.  There is always going to be an interaction at junctions but having the cyclists in the middle removes the need for floating bus stops.

[quixoticgeek]

I think part of the reason they are less controversial in .nl is that they are more common. Cyclists know how to not be a dick when passing a floating bus stop, and pedestrians know that red is dead, and to look both ways before crossing the cycle lane. Visually impaired pedestrians also seem to be practiced at this style of bus stop, and know how to put the cane through a cyclists wheels...

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[Mr Larrington]

A return to the top step of the podium for Bad Enoch as she asserts that “Brexit freedoms” are responsible for restrictions on pavement dining being relaxed in Britain.  Because that sort of thing never happens in France or Greece or Portugal.

[Jurek]

A return to the top step of the podium for Bad Enoch as she asserts that “Brexit freedoms” are responsible for restrictions on pavement dining being relaxed in Britain.  Because that sort of thing never happens in France or Greece or Portugal.

Pavement dining is going to be a hit in November in the UK. I can see it.

[Mr Larrington]

I expect it’s a Thing in Finland in midwinter too, but that’s likely because the Finns are generally barking.

[ElyDave]

I expect it’s a Thing in Finland in midwinter too, but that’s likely because the Finns are generally barking.

I know I have a Nordic name, but I do have an affinity for this kind of thing, and generally find myself gravitating towards them in the eurovisions

[liam_whippet]

I expect it’s a Thing in Finland in midwinter too, but that’s likely because the Finns are generally barking.

Closer to home, I expect it's a thing in Newcastle ...

I spent two winters in Whitley Bay [what was second prize, you ask?], where 'gannin oot' seafront attire was t-shirts [his] and miniskirts [hers]... Coats were for southern softies ...

[liam_whippet]

I'm sure I've eaten in establishments on pavements in Italy, Spain, France, Croatia and Portugal since the EU started, so I don't think it's related to not being in the EU...

Is it Covid she's confusing with Brexit, perhaps, in terms of regulations about eating outside?

In trying to ignore one Tory corrupt incompetence, she's landed on another one??