Audax points and rules was: Re: Mersey 24hr 2016

[Delph Cyclist]

Here are the 2016 provisional results for Audax Members (as best as I could identify, but do let me know of any mistakes).  There are some queries to be rectified so distances may yet vary.  Well done to all! 

	Name		Club	miles	km	points	AUK No
1	Michael	Broadwith	Arctic Tacx RT	535.04	861.06
2	Jonathan	Shubert	Arctic Tacx RT	510.23	821.13
3	Victor	Chetta	Mid Shropshire Wheelers	509.67	820.23
4	Tim	Bayley	Arctic Tacx RT	508.91	819.01
5	George	Marshall	Rapha Cycling Club	500.39	805.30	7	13797
6	Rimas	Grigenas	Audax Club Hackney	481.59	775.04	7	7731
7	Paul	Mcgowan	Warrington Road Club	479.4	771.52
8	Robert	Bullyment	Catford CC	463.62	746.12	7	4010
9	Samuel	Crossley	Dulwich Paragon CC	457.71	736.61	7	7831
10	Philip	Kelman	Deeside Thistle CC	456.37	734.45	7	6860
11	Robert	Gray	Pedal Power Loughborough	452.69	728.53	7	6175
12	Byron	Buck	Derby Mercury RC	444.95	716.08	7	501
13	Iain	Findlay	Otley CC	443.91	714.40
14	Angus	Swanson	Stirling Bike Club	430.44	692.72
15	Michael	Henley	Maidenhead & District	429.37	691.00	6	3563
16	Mark	Gray	Derby Mercury RC	422.98	680.72	6	2936
17	Steven	Abraham	North Bucks RC	420.99	677.52	6	1223
18	Lynne	Biddulph	Born to Bike - Bridgtown Cycles	420.29	676.39
19	Marcus	Blagrove	Mersey Tri	413.03	664.71
20	Emma	Richardson	Audlem Cycling Club	410.01	659.85	6	4316
21	Ian	Neville	Clarence Wheelers CC	408.82	657.93
22	David	Carpenter	All Terrain Cycles	404.72	651.33	6	4996
23	Gordon	Sephton	Derby Mercury RC	400.72	644.89	6	3112
24	Dale	Sturman	West Suffolk Whs & Triathlon Club	396.79	638.57
25	Nigel	Briggs	South Pennine RC	388.13	624.63
26	Roger	Squire	Fibrax Wrexham RC	386.74	622.40
27	David	Giles	Century RC	386.24	621.59	6	14049
28	Jim	Williams	Weaver Valley CC	384.56	618.89	6	4935
29	Paul	Revell	Barrow Central Wheelers	378.36	608.91	6	7402
30	Edgar	Reynolds	Congleton CC V	376.5	605.92
31	Robert	Francis	Lichfield City CC	376.5	605.92
32	Janet	Fairclough	St Helens CRC	376.25	605.51
33	Hugh	Culverhouse	Weybridge Wheelers	374.73	603.07
34	Robert	Jones	Velo Club Cumbria	373.68	601.38
35	Steve	Ralphs	Loughborough Phoenix CC	373.03	600.33	6	1000
36	Ian	Brown	Houghton CC	369.4	594.49
37	Nigel	Brooks	Stirling Bike Club	364.74	586.99	5	15933
38	Diccon	Hill	Cardiff 100 Miles	364.65	586.85
39	Jocelyn	Chappell	Aylesbury CC	360.64	580.39	5	5590
40	Arthur	Green	Mersey Roads Club	360.33	579.89
41	Ben	Rathbone	Macclesfield Wheelers	360.02	579.39
42	Trevor	Halstead	Gainsborough Aegir CC	354.31	570.21
43	Mike	Hazlewood	Saracen Road Club	354.25	570.11
44	Colin	Nicol	Angus Bike Chain	349.08	561.79
45	Edric	Hobbs	Bike City T3	347.62	559.44	5	12498
46	Stephen	Balbi	Velo Club Godalming	345.82	556.54
47	Martin	Wiggan	Seamons CC	342.56	551.30
48	Kenny	Cliffe	Leicester Forest CC	342.56	551.30
49	Geraint	Catherall	Anfield BC	340.87	548.58
50	Tony	Baker	Petersfield Triathlon Club	338.48	544.73	5	14444
51	David	Greenwood	Rye & District - Zipvit Sport	337.02	542.38
52	Dave	Pemberton	Born to Bike - Bridgtown Cycles	333.64	536.94
53	Jim	Hopper	Derby Mercury RC	315.45	507.67	5	465
54	Jacqueline	Hobson	Born to Bike - Bridgtown Cycles	314.73	506.51	5	5454
55	Cathy	Wood	Chelmer CC V	312.01	502.13
56	Gary	Boyd	Hub Velo	311.28	500.96	5	15867
57	Graham	Ellis	Huddersfield RC Tri	293.38	472.15	4	13274
58	Alex	Greenbank	Wimbledon Windmilers	281.99	453.82	4	6713
59	Bob	Richards	Royal Navy & Royal Marines CA	252.51	406.37
60	Matt	Simmons	Reading CC	247.1	397.67
61	Libby	McLaren	Born to Bike - Bridgtown Cycles	241.24	388.24
62	Rob	Waghorn	Congleton CC	241.12	388.04	3	7414
0	Name		Club	miles	km	points	AUK No
1		Arnold	Desiragear	488.43	786.08	7
1	Chris	Hopkinson	Desiragear	488.43	786.08		13236
2		McLean	Stirling Bike Club	389.12	626.25	6
2		Leadbetter	Stirling Bike Club	389.12	626.25
3		Tibbett	Hereford Whs	355.85	572.70	5
3		Tibbett	Hereford Whs	355.85	572.70
4	Phillip	Jurczyk	West lothian/Edinburgh RC	347.08	558.59	5	6322
4	George	Berwick	West lothian/Edinburgh RC	347.08	558.59		553

[MikeH]

I know my result is incorrect.  It will be 442.xx when corrected, so that will be 7 points 

That is a tough way to earn 7 points!  A 300 and a 400 even over the same weekend would be so much easier.

[HK]

Just for the record. Dave Lewis came up with putting AUK points on the 24. It was thought with the reward of points AUKs would ride the 24 hour thus keep entry levels at a point that the time trial would continue to happen each year. And given the fields we now have its been a very successful scheme. I think Dave would be extra happy to see the racing at such a high level and for AUKs to be up there at the pointy end.

Bit more history. The reason why we thought the 24 hour should be supported and continue for as long as possible is that when UK riders needed to qualify for the first time after Barry Parslow's trail blazing ride as first Brit in 1966, ACP accepted the 24 hour as the qualifying event.

[Mr Green]

Hi there,

Yes I can confirm that many of the provisional results were out this year. I have just had my distance amended to 391.38 miles/629.85km.
I believe that the latest set of results is now up on the Mersey Roads FB page.

Thanks,

Arthur Green
AUK J2343

[Delph Cyclist]

Hi there,

Yes I can confirm that many of the provisional results were out this year. I have just had my distance amended to 391.38 miles/629.85km.
I believe that the latest set of results is now up on the Mersey Roads FB page.

Thanks,

Arthur Green
AUK J2343

That's a significant upgrade and earns you an extra AUK point.  I've also included you in my table now as an Audax member, sorry I wasn't sure if you were "our" Arthur Green, as your club (Mersey Roads) didn't give me much of a clue to your geographical location.

[Greenbank]

Steve's up to 7 points too.

Pretty much everyone's distance has changed but only a few have their AUK points affected.

[cgg]

A question here (from someone still very new to all of this). I thought ranked, competitive events could not be used as DIY. Isn't the 24TT a ranked, competitive event? Is it an historical exception to this rule as HK explained?

[Ian H]

Yes.  But it's not a DIY.

The other exceptions to the non-competitive rule are of course the Arrows.

[cgg]

Thanks. So if I get this correctly: some ranked events can give you points, but none can be used as DIYs ?

[Karla]

Where did DIYs come into this?  They've got nothing to do with it. 

[LittleWheelsandBig]

egg, that question makes no sense. DIYs are permanent brevets that can be done on any date. Calendar brevets are tied to a specific date.

[Exit Stage Left]

Someone clearly wants to ride a 12 or a Sportive as a DIY, to gain points.

[Delph Cyclist]

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the 24 hour Time Trial is an Audax UK event.  It isn't.  To participate, you have to be a member of a CTT-recognised club, and AUK membership doesn't count.  AUK aims to encourage all AUKs to support this long distance cycling event, and it recognises achievements during the 24 hours by awarding AUK points to members.

[Greenbank]

Thanks. So if I get this correctly: some ranked events can give you points, but none can be used as DIYs ?

Only one type of ranked & competitive event that isn't already an Audax can get you points; a 24h TT (and it has to be one organised under CTT's rules)

It is the specific exception because AUK points for distance covered in the 24 long pre-dates even the idea of DIY Perms. AUK has chosen this in order to support the event by encouraging its riders to ride the event. You also don't need to enter anything else (e.g. a corresponding AUK DIY event) to get the AUK points if you ride a 24, you just need to be an AUK member and it should magically appear (you may need to prompt the recorder though).

If you are sneaky and like ignoring rules then I'm sure you could try and get points for riding some random Sportive by entering a DIYxGPS and ride it making no mention of the Sportive to the DIY organiser. It's unlikely the DIY organiser would be able to find out unless they knew the details of the Sportive already. If they did find out you could end up with the points being revoked. One of the reasons not allowing ranked/competitive events is the lower standard of self-sufficiency required for those events (with service/support vehicles, etc) which doesn't quite match with the spirit of Audax. The 24 is not like this at all as there's no service/support vehicle.

More info on this over at the official AUK forum: http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=563.0

Trying to DIY a 12h TT would be nigh on impossible as you won't know the exact route in advance (you may be sent out on different loops depending on timings) and also repeated loops are verboten. This would probably rule out 100mile TTs too (most contain repeated loops) and you'd need to ride another ~25 miles on top of the TT in order to get any real points.

[cgg]

Someone clearly wants to ride a 12 or a Sportive as a DIY, to gain points.

Huh, no, I don't care about points (yet?) (not into sportives either mind you). Just want to understand and asking questions

To give you the full context, someone on lfgss suggested doing the TCR as a DIY to which Marcus answered that it was a ranked event and therefore you couldn't. Then read here about the TT and so was a bit confused.

Thanks all for the answers and clarifications

[Exit Stage Left]

TCR is a bit of a latecomer to the scene. The equivalent Audax ride is 'The Orient Express'.
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/sj01/

[LittleWheelsandBig]

TCR is a bit of a latecomer to the scene. The equivalent Audax ride is 'The Orient Express'.
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/sj01/

And predating AUK's perm is UAF's Souvenir Jean Rey
http://www.audax-uaf.com/cyclotourisme/randonnees-permanentes/calais-brindisi/

[cgg]

Thanks for these links, food for thoughts

[Ian H]

TCR is a bit of a latecomer to the scene. The equivalent Audax ride is 'The Orient Express'.
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/sj01/

And predating AUK's perm is UAF's Souvenir Jean Rey
http://www.audax-uaf.com/cyclotourisme/randonnees-permanentes/calais-brindisi/

Simon's AUK version is a bit longer, but benefits from being 200km a day.  Superb route.

[Exit Stage Left]

There's also no problem with riding as a group.

[LittleWheelsandBig]

The UAF perms are randonnees and are often ridden individually. Check the name of the link.

[Mr Green]

Yes I was quite pleased to get bumped up, I'm glad to get that extra point.
I am not really member of a cycling club apart from Audax (but that doesn't count for the 24TT) so I joined Mersey Roads just for this ride.

Hi there,

Yes I can confirm that many of the provisional results were out this year. I have just had my distance amended to 391.38 miles/629.85km.
I believe that the latest set of results is now up on the Mersey Roads FB page.

Thanks,

Arthur Green
AUK J2343

That's a significant upgrade and earns you an extra AUK point.  I've also included you in my table now as an Audax member, sorry I wasn't sure if you were "our" Arthur Green, as your club (Mersey Roads) didn't give me much of a clue to your geographical location.

[MikeH]

Results are now formally published.

https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/race-results/12258