Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Topic started by: Blodwyn Pig on 03 April, 2020, 06:41:12 pm
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Not a subject that folks want to discuss I suppose, as it's on the news 24/7........BUT. I had a thought about C19
Suppose the virus is /has been around for a VERY long time, and has been released into ....say... a watercourse, from a melting glacier due to global warming.. I googled a bit, and found some interesting thoughts....
One group of scientists, including dendochronologists, have a theory. The Plague / Black death, swept across the country, and took out 1/2 of the population. I did not know that from 1356? it reoccurred approx every 30 years, until 1666!!!!!!! But the dendochronologists ?? studied tree rings from 1356/7 and found the trees hardly grew at all, suggesting that some bad stuff happened at this time, and a suggesting of a meteor / asteroid strike, around this time,that significantly altered the atmosphere, possibly a large cloud of dust, preventing growth by blocking out the sun, hence folks would have been suffering from malnutrition. Once it took hold it just kept going round the planet.
roll forward to 1918 Spanish Flu, thought to be brought to Europe by Chinese railway labourers, during the war. But massive ,continuous, multiple explosions, death, rotting corpses, disease, etc etc, was a breading ground for the Virus, This must have affected the atmosphere, hence the environment in which we live.
Roll forward to now, Wu Flu, Unprecedented global warming, a change in the atmosphere / environment , massive fires in Aus, raising temps, and clouds of smoke... melting glaciers, releasing who knows what has been frozen for millennia.............. Not looking good is it.
Am I being paranoid, and do other people think this deeply. .............................CABIN FEVER!
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I think you should drop a couple of hits of acid and watch Eraserhead.
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I think you should drop a couple of hits of acid and watch Eraserhead.
you mean like the musicians on the deck of the Titanic. ;)
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No. It's a big world. Shit happens. Sometimes multiple forms of shit happen at the same time. Not neccessarily linked.
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is (it's not distinct enough to be a species, it's a strain of SARS-CoV-1, hence the name). There's a genetic molecular clock built into us all. Anyway, this particular strain dates back to late 2019.
We can (and have) done a significant amount of metagenomics* on bats as they're reservoirs for all kinds of diseases, including CoVs. So we know a fair amount of how all these viruses relate to each other.
While some bacteria can survive long periods of time as spores (like anthrax), viruses are generally labile, so you're unlikely to find some ancient virus in a glacier, under the icecap, or from a frozen mammoth. You might find a buried UFO though.
It is reasonable to assume that during times of disruption, natural disasters, and warfare, any kind of infection is likely to gain more traction.
*a posh way of saying someone wanders around the forest scooping up bat guano, and then we mass sequence the DNA.
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I googled a bit, and found some interesting thoughts....
Hmmmmm.
I would normally say you need to get out more but...
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is
THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
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Glaciers melt all the time and also new ice is formed every winter. Glaciers are moving and rivers of ice. Global warming just means the melting is exceeding the rate of new ice formation. One or two glaciers are still growing but they are in the Southern Hemisphere.
I think you are picking up elements of this book https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Light-Black-Death-Connection/dp/0752435981
Focus on what you can control, and don’t worry about what you can’t. No point me worrying about meteor strikes or what glaciers are doing.
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Are there many glaciers in Wuhan?
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THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Don’t wake the Sheeple!
https://xkcd.com/1013/
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All the contrails have gone. You see, they were just seeding CV19 and now their work is done.
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Are there many glaciers in Wuhan?
Not when I was last there in 2001.
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THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Don’t wake the Sheeple!
https://xkcd.com/1013/
Not seen that one before. Made me guffaw heartily.
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My understanding of Spanish flue is that it was taken to europe by USAnians in winter 1917/18, where it took hold amongst the allied troops, resurged in winter 1918 and was then spread worldwide by demobbed troops. I believe they've even traced it back to a specific training camp
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that doesn't mean I'm not worried by the way, I just think it's chance genetic mutation rather than conspiracy, or the planet trying to kill us every 30 years
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My understanding of Spanish flue is that it was taken to europe by USAnians in winter 1917/18, where it took hold amongst the allied troops, resurged in winter 1918 and was then spread worldwide by demobbed troops. I believe they've even traced it back to a specific training camp
They have. They found several tissue samples with viable genomic material and reconstructed the virus. That's not something you want to drop in the lab.*
*not actually that big a deal, we all have some immunity to that strain now.
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My understanding of Spanish flue is that it was taken to europe by USAnians in winter 1917/18, where it took hold amongst the allied troops, resurged in winter 1918 and was then spread worldwide by demobbed troops. I believe they've even traced it back to a specific training camp
Camp Funston, in central Kansas, though it is thought that the outbreak originally began in Haskell County, in the south-west corner of the state.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/
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You think the virus is bad now?
Just wait til they switch 5G on :o
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is (it's not distinct enough to be a species, it's a strain of SARS-CoV-1, hence the name). There's a genetic molecular clock built into us all. Anyway, this particular strain dates back to late 2019.
We can (and have) done a significant amount of metagenomics* on bats as they're reservoirs for all kinds of diseases, including CoVs. So we know a fair amount of how all these viruses relate to each other.
While some bacteria can survive long periods of time as spores (like anthrax), viruses are generally labile, so you're unlikely to find some ancient virus in a glacier, under the icecap, or from a frozen mammoth. You might find a buried UFO though.
It is reasonable to assume that during times of disruption, natural disasters, and warfare, any kind of infection is likely to gain more traction.
*a posh way of saying someone wanders around the forest scooping up bat guano, and then we mass sequence the DNA.
I don’t think Sars-cov-2 is a strain of sars-cov-1, that would indicate one has mutated into the other. They will have a common ancestor but not in humans (or necessarily still in existence). I believe the genetically nearest coronavirus is in pangolins. Never liked them. Beady eyes.
Edit: ok I might be wrong on this.
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You think the virus is bad now?
Just wait til they switch 5G on :o
We torched our mast yesterday.
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You think the virus is bad now?
Just wait til they switch 5G on :o
We torched our mast yesterday.
(https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pm_338485.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C424&ssl=1)
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is (it's not distinct enough to be a species, it's a strain of SARS-CoV-1, hence the name). There's a genetic molecular clock built into us all. Anyway, this particular strain dates back to late 2019.
We can (and have) done a significant amount of metagenomics* on bats as they're reservoirs for all kinds of diseases, including CoVs. So we know a fair amount of how all these viruses relate to each other.
While some bacteria can survive long periods of time as spores (like anthrax), viruses are generally labile, so you're unlikely to find some ancient virus in a glacier, under the icecap, or from a frozen mammoth. You might find a buried UFO though.
It is reasonable to assume that during times of disruption, natural disasters, and warfare, any kind of infection is likely to gain more traction.
*a posh way of saying someone wanders around the forest scooping up bat guano, and then we mass sequence the DNA.
I don’t think Sars-cov-2 is a strain of sars-cov-1, that would indicate one has mutated into the other. They will have a common ancestor but not in humans (or necessarily still in existence). I believe the genetically nearest coronavirus is in pangolins. Never liked them. Beady eyes.
Edit: ok I might be wrong on this.
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Poor wording on my part (did I mentioned the six pints of beer, the Tiny Rebel IPA was quite nice), they're both strains of the SARS-CoV, but not different CoVs. Viral taxonomy is more fiddlesome than most as they have rapidly changing genomes and their phenotypes are molecular.
They're all derived quite recently (via mutation) from CoVs in bats (we think). The pangolin thing is unproven, but they have found CoVs with very similar receptor binding proteins that have the same predicted shape affinities for their human cell receptor (ACE-2). Viruses are basically a fast-forward of evolution, they mutate quickly and reproduce in vast numbers. As the adage goes, unlike religion, evolution doesn't need you to believe in it.
Pangolins are ace. But this might be an object lesson in leaving them the fuck alone.
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Poor wording on my part (did I mention the six pints of beer, the Tiny Rebel IPA was quite nice),
Yes you did mention it. Enjoy your walk tomorrow.
And keep us up to speed with technical info that I/we struggle to understand :thumbsup:
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is (it's not distinct enough to be a species, it's a strain of SARS-CoV-1, hence the name). There's a genetic molecular clock built into us all. Anyway, this particular strain dates back to late 2019.
We can (and have) done a significant amount of metagenomics* on bats as they're reservoirs for all kinds of diseases, including CoVs. So we know a fair amount of how all these viruses relate to each other.
While some bacteria can survive long periods of time as spores (like anthrax), viruses are generally labile, so you're unlikely to find some ancient virus in a glacier, under the icecap, or from a frozen mammoth. You might find a buried UFO though.
It is reasonable to assume that during times of disruption, natural disasters, and warfare, any kind of infection is likely to gain more traction.
*a posh way of saying someone wanders around the forest scooping up bat guano, and then we mass sequence the DNA.
I don’t think Sars-cov-2 is a strain of sars-cov-1, that would indicate one has mutated into the other. They will have a common ancestor but not in humans (or necessarily still in existence). I believe the genetically nearest coronavirus is in pangolins. Never liked them. Beady eyes.
Edit: ok I might be wrong on this.
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Poor wording on my part (did I mentioned the six pints of beer, the Tiny Rebel IPA was quite nice), they're both strains of the SARS-CoV, but not different CoVs. Viral taxonomy is more fiddlesome than most as they have rapidly changing genomes and their phenotypes are molecular.
They're all derived quite recently (via mutation) from CoVs in bats (we think). The pangolin thing is unproven, but they have found CoVs with very similar receptor binding proteins that have the same predicted shape affinities for their human cell receptor (ACE-2). Viruses are basically a fast-forward of evolution, they mutate quickly and reproduce in vast numbers. As the adage goes, unlike religion, evolution doesn't need you to believe in it.
Pangolins are ace. But this might be an object lesson in leaving them the fuck alone.
I don’t think ACE2 are the only widgets those corona pointy bits are sticking to. I reckon BSG too which is maybe why anti malaria potions might help if they don’t kill you.
And I am still blaming the pangolins
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Amanda Holden's signed a petition against 5g because it "sucks all the oxygen out of the atmosphere". Also Calum Best.
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I'm worried about the possibility of getting the disease.
I am also worried about the effects of sitting at home with too much food and too little exercise.
If it were just me and other household members in (probably) reasonably low-risk groups* then I would probably take it less seriously than I do: Dez lives with us and as a kidney transplant patient is in a massively high-risk group. He will die in reasonably short order if he stops taking immunosuppressants as his body will reject his kidney. There is a strong chance that he will become very ill if he contracts the disease, as a result of him taking those immunosuppressants.
I am also worried about climate change. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel that it is a far greater threat than CV-19. More people are already dying worldwide as a result of climate change than are likely to die from this current pandemic. More people have been dying from vehicle pollution than are likely to die from this pandemic. There is a fair chance that the reduction in vehicle use (which accounted for 40000 deaths in the UK in 2010, according to WHO figures) as a result of CV-19 will outweigh the number of deaths from the pandemic in the UK in 2020.
So there are loads of things to worry about. I just wish the government would take the other threats as seriously as they do this one.
*I too have been prescribed immunosuppressants (methotrexate) for my rheumatoid arthritis. Another forummer, also on methotrexate, remarked a long way upthread that they had received a government letter telling them that they are in a high-risk group and take relevant action, ie stay at home for 12 weeks and have as little contact as possible with other members of the household. I have received no such letter but I have had so little trouble from my arthritis for a long time that I decided almost 5 weeks ago to stop taking my tablets.
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Some of the immunosuppressant drugs used in treating RA are being trialled in treating covid-19 though at first thought you would be they would make it worse (and probably will for some people). Complicated beasts we are.
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I am also worried about climate change. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel that it is a far greater threat than CV-19. More people are already dying worldwide as a result of climate change than are likely to die from this current pandemic. More people have been dying from vehicle pollution than are likely to die from this pandemic. There is a fair chance that the reduction in vehicle use (which accounted for 40000 deaths in the UK in 2010, according to WHO figures) as a result of CV-19 will outweigh the number of deaths from the pandemic in the UK in 2020.
I see it as the same problem. Systems of power and wealth that drive us to ignore our own lives and health, and those of other people and our own children, because it's easier to just focus on the next mortgage payment or the next jet airline holiday. Or indeed the next bacon sandwich.
It's all the same thing to me.
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Covid-19 is actually an attempt by an alien life form to communicate with us. Unfortunately they totally misunderstood how humans do communicate due to over reliance on the information they gleaned from the amount of pornography they discovered on the Internet. Consequently their misdirected efforts have gone very badly wrong.
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Im worried about my parents,particularly my Dad who was virtually housebound before Covid19 lockdown.
He has careers to get him up and put him to bed. Mum is losing it as well. Sure they’ve had their 4 score years but still a worry.
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Some of the immunosuppressant drugs used in treating RA are being trialled in treating covid-19 though at first thought you would be they would make it worse (and probably will for some people). Complicated beasts we are.
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It's also suggested that people who have TB immunisation are less prone to Covid-19.
A few countries, such as Japan have mass TB vaccinations programmes and also lower than expected Covid-19 victims.
It may be coincidence, however; they are by no means certain.
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The "best" thing is that the lockdowns are temporarily giving us a break on the climate change front, so the fact that we are currently obsessed with the the virus at least isn't aggravating the climate crisis.
Hopefully it will demonstrate even more strongly how bad pollution is during our previously normal activities, and accelerate the shift to cleaner businesses.
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THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Don’t wake the Sheeple!
https://xkcd.com/1013/
The one a few days later is for your line of work:
https://xkcd.com/1015/
Not seen that one before. Made me guffaw heartily.
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You think the virus is bad now?
Just wait til they switch 5G on :o
We torched our mast yesterday.
(https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pm_338485.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C424&ssl=1)
There's an xkcd for that too:
https://xkcd.com/1014/
That these three cartoons are consecutive is clear evidence of a conspiracy. It's all ruled by numbers. In a code hidden in plain sight. It all started with ISBN numbers.
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The "best" thing is that the lockdowns are temporarily giving us a break on the climate change front, so the fact that we are currently obsessed with the the virus at least isn't aggravating the climate crisis.
Hopefully it will demonstrate even more strongly how bad pollution is during our previously normal activities, and accelerate the shift to cleaner businesses.
The only thing that we are getting a respite from is pollution related to local air quality, NOx, SOx, particulates, VOCs. This reduction in activity will do nothing for climate change in the medium or long term
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I’ve been eyeing the 5G masts all over town. They think they’ve done a good job hiding them in the new lampposts, but I know otherwise.
I’m going to buy an axe and then I can start cutting them down. If one takes more than an hour, hell I’ll come back tomorrow.
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UR Doc Sarvis AICMFP.
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I’ve been eyeing the 5G masts all over town. They think they’ve done a good job hiding them in the new lampposts, but I know otherwise.
I’m going to buy an axe and then I can start cutting them down. If one takes more than an hour, hell I’ll come back tomorrow.
They are under the drain covers ;)
If you stand on them you can feel them vibrating.
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The "best" thing is that the lockdowns are temporarily giving us a break on the climate change front, so the fact that we are currently obsessed with the the virus at least isn't aggravating the climate crisis.
Hopefully it will demonstrate even more strongly how bad pollution is during our previously normal activities, and accelerate the shift to cleaner businesses.
The only thing that we are getting a respite from is pollution related to local air quality, NOx, SOx, particulates, VOCs. This reduction in activity will do nothing for climate change in the medium or long term
Could well help those with respiratory problems though. If cleaner air helps their lungs to heal a bit, maybe they'll be spared the worst of Covid19 too?
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The "best" thing is that the lockdowns are temporarily giving us a break on the climate change front, so the fact that we are currently obsessed with the the virus at least isn't aggravating the climate crisis.
Hopefully it will demonstrate even more strongly how bad pollution is during our previously normal activities, and accelerate the shift to cleaner businesses.
The only thing that we are getting a respite from is pollution related to local air quality, NOx, SOx, particulates, VOCs. This reduction in activity will do nothing for climate change in the medium or long term
Could well help those with respiratory problems though. If cleaner air helps their lungs to heal a bit, maybe they'll be spared the worst of Covid19 too?
I doubt it'll spare my mum.
She just doesn't get that she should stay indoors.
My sister will do her shop and drop it on the doorstep, but no - mum gets on the bus and goes to Tesco or Sainos.
I've tried to explain to her that she will become ill, be taken to hospital, where she will die, on her own because neither my sister nor I will be allowed to visit her.
We're talking about an 86 year old who lost her kid sister to malnutrition before sister had reached her teens.
She's not about to let some little virus stop her from going to the stupormarket.....
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We know how old SARS-CoV-2 is (it's not distinct enough to be a species, it's a strain of SARS-CoV-1, hence the name). There's a genetic molecular clock built into us all. Anyway, this particular strain dates back to late 2019.
We can (and have) done a significant amount of metagenomics* on bats as they're reservoirs for all kinds of diseases, including CoVs. So we know a fair amount of how all these viruses relate to each other.
While some bacteria can survive long periods of time as spores (like anthrax), viruses are generally labile, so you're unlikely to find some ancient virus in a glacier, under the icecap, or from a frozen mammoth. You might find a buried UFO though.
It is reasonable to assume that during times of disruption, natural disasters, and warfare, any kind of infection is likely to gain more traction.
*a posh way of saying someone wanders around the forest scooping up bat guano, and then we mass sequence the DNA.
I don’t think Sars-cov-2 is a strain of sars-cov-1, that would indicate one has mutated into the other. They will have a common ancestor but not in humans (or necessarily still in existence). I believe the genetically nearest coronavirus is in pangolins. Never liked them. Beady eyes.
Edit: ok I might be wrong on this.
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Poor wording on my part (did I mentioned the six pints of beer, the Tiny Rebel IPA was quite nice), they're both strains of the SARS-CoV, but not different CoVs. Viral taxonomy is more fiddlesome than most as they have rapidly changing genomes and their phenotypes are molecular.
They're all derived quite recently (via mutation) from CoVs in bats (we think). The pangolin thing is unproven, but they have found CoVs with very similar receptor binding proteins that have the same predicted shape affinities for their human cell receptor (ACE-2). Viruses are basically a fast-forward of evolution, they mutate quickly and reproduce in vast numbers. As the adage goes, unlike religion, evolution doesn't need you to believe in it.
Pangolins are ace. But this might be an object lesson in leaving them the fuck alone.
The man ain't kidding. According to this, there are now over 3000 descendants of the virus originally isolated in Wuhan back in December:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=region
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I didn't realize the 5G theory was a real thing but I've just seen the story about masts being arsoned in Liverpool. Though you've got to wonder to what extent those responsible actually believe it, as opposed to it just being an excuse for arson.
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I didn't realize the 5G theory was a real thing but I've just seen the story about masts being arsoned in Liverpool. Though you've got to wonder to what extent those responsible actually believe it, as opposed to it just being an excuse for arson.
Good for them - doing their bit to protect the people from the threat of faster download speeds.
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I didn't realize the 5G theory was a real thing but I've just seen the story about masts being arsoned in Liverpool. Though you've got to wonder to what extent those responsible actually believe it, as opposed to it just being an excuse for arson.
Have you ever wondered what inspired all those people suddenly to go out and buy all the bog rolls they could carry home?
We have yet to need to buy any since well before the hordes of hoarders descended. So what happened? What line of reasoning did they pick up on that I missed? Why haven't I been urged to burn a 5G tower?
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I didn't realize the 5G theory was a real thing but I've just seen the story about masts being arsoned in Liverpool. Though you've got to wonder to what extent those responsible actually believe it, as opposed to it just being an excuse for arson.
Have you ever wondered what inspired all those people suddenly to go out and buy all the bog rolls they could carry home?
We have yet to need to buy any since well before the hordes of hoarders descended. So what happened? What line of reasoning did they pick up on that I missed? Why haven't I been urged to burn a 5G tower?
You mean you can't hear the voices?
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Buying bog roll makes sense, in as much that if you're going to have to stay in your house for a couple of weeks you want to stock up so you don't run out. See enough people doing that, and more people will buy bogroll simply through fear of shortages.
The 5G thing is just a whole other level of stupid. But we have a long tradition of popular fear around new technologies. Look at the fuss people made about television. Or microwave ovens. Or WiFi.
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It's the new anti-vaxxing during a crisis where everybody wants a vaccine.
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Or electric toasters.
The first commercially available dual-sided electric toaster was launched in 1913. Within a year, the whole world was at war. Coincidence? You do the math.
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For obscure reasons I started looking at the webbsite and YouTube channel of a
person detached from reality fruit loop banging on about 5G, Corona Virus and LED street lights.
It started off normal(ish) enough. Strings of pseudo scientific babble masquerading as sentences. Then, wham! we learn that LED streetlights use light at a wavelength of 450nm, the frequency of which is 666THz. The number of the the (high frequency) beast. Obvious now it's been pointed out.
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And don’t forget barcodes.
https://youtu.be/N90sl94g7PE
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Amanda Holden's signed a petition against 5g because it "sucks all the oxygen out of the atmosphere". Also Calum Best.
Sometimes I think the film Idiocracy is a documentary.
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Don't know about glaciers, but ever since SARS there seems to have been warnings on CoV biosecurity. It seems much more effort could have been put into researching vaccines for novel bat specific strains, that would potentially emerge...
The findings that horseshoe bats are the natural reservoir for SARS-CoV-like virus and that civets are the amplification host highlight the importance of wildlife and biosecurity in farms and wet markets, which can serve as the source and amplification centers for emerging infections.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Agent of Emerging and Reemerging Infection https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/
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Buying bog roll makes sense, in as much that if you're going to have to stay in your house for a couple of weeks you want to stock up so you don't run out. See enough people doing that, and more people will buy bogroll simply through fear of shortages.
You have omitted from your analysis the people who stocked up simply in order to sell later at enormous profit. They might be clever capitalists, heartless spivs or opportunists, depending on your POV. (I would ask why this is called hoarding and profiteering when done at a small scale but investment, cornering the market or buying long when done on a large scale; but POBI is thataway >> [and this thread would fit right in!]).
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Having had a great deal of experience dealing with extremely old people (I'm talking 90+ here) you know that they are going to die sooner rather than later. What concerns me is the quality of life and then the quality of death.
I am really very relieved that Phyllis is not around to see what is going on at the moment. She was always worried about being a burden, and the fact is that despite reaching 100+ years, she never was. Had she been around now, I know that she would have been upset that she was giving us more work than we already do, and that her carer visiting every day would have increased markedly the risk to Dez. So her easy-going, largely worry-free quality of life for her final 3 years or so would have come to an abrupt end, and she would have been very unhappy.
Pneumonia recorded on Phyllis's death certificate, although when she died I think her lungs were clear. She had been so massively weakened by the disease that she was incapable of recovering. She died alone, I'm sorry to say, but she just faded away. The care home staff were checking on her hourly. She was still conscious at 5pm, and at 6pm she had no pulse.
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MERS came from Egyptian tomb bats. I love the fact that there is such an animal.
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Buying bog roll makes sense, in as much that if you're going to have to stay in your house for a couple of weeks you want to stock up so you don't run out. See enough people doing that, and more people will buy bogroll simply through fear of shortages.
You have omitted from your analysis the people who stocked up simply in order to sell later at enormous profit. They might be clever capitalists, heartless spivs or opportunists, depending on your POV. (I would ask why this is called hoarding and profiteering when done at a small scale but investment, cornering the market or buying long when done on a large scale; but POBI is thataway >> [and this thread would fit right in!]).
The problem of hoarding, panic buying and profiteering has probably been greatly overstated.
The bare shelves in supermarkets are more likely caused by very large numbers of people buying slightly more than usual, compounded by the supermarkets’ practice of ‘just in time’ deliveries not being about to keep up with extra demand.
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MERS came from Egyptian tomb bats. I love the fact that there is such an animal.
They are all thousands of years old too..
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MERS came from Egyptian tomb bats. I love the fact that there is such an animal.
So is it safe to watch Batman whilst in lockdown?
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Buying bog roll makes sense, in as much that if you're going to have to stay in your house for a couple of weeks you want to stock up so you don't run out. See enough people doing that, and more people will buy bogroll simply through fear of shortages.
You have omitted from your analysis the people who stocked up simply in order to sell later at enormous profit. They might be clever capitalists, heartless spivs or opportunists, depending on your POV. (I would ask why this is called hoarding and profiteering when done at a small scale but investment, cornering the market or buying long when done on a large scale; but POBI is thataway >> [and this thread would fit right in!]).
The problem of hoarding, panic buying and profiteering has probably been greatly overstated.
The bare shelves in supermarkets are more likely caused by very large numbers of people buying slightly more than usual, compounded by the supermarkets’ practice of ‘just in time’ deliveries not being about to keep up with extra demand.
I'm sure you'll find it's because the supermarkets have taken payments in return for 5G masts being sited on their stores and depots. This causes breakdowns in their delivery vehicles as the hyperpowerful electromagnetic frequencies wreak havoc with delicate electronics, while in the stores, customers' normally rational brainwaves are scrambled.
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...while in the stores, customers' normally rational brainwaves are scrambled.
Objection! May accidentally contain traces of SCIENCE[1].
[1] Wilkins, AJ. 1995 Visual Stress Oxford University Press
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...while in the stores, customers' normally rational brainwaves are scrambled.
Objection! May accidentally contain traces of SCIENCE[1].
[1] Wilkins, AJ. 1995 Visual Stress Oxford University Press
Yebbut visual stress doesn't result from 5G. I mean, the masts aren't exactly pretty but...
Besides, supermarket customers behaving rationally in normal times? C'mon!
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Yebbut visual stress doesn't result from 5G.
That's what they want you to think...
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I’ve only just discovered this thread and TL:DR so forgive me if this has already been covered.
I was thinking while I was cutting the grass this afternoon, could C19 mutate like seasonal flu and thus continue to be a virus we are not immune too? My lack of specific virology education means all I know about flu and viruses generally is what I’ve picked up as a knowledge whore and the more detailed knowledge I’ve picked up from the vary clever people here abouts.
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Buying bog roll makes sense, in as much that if you're going to have to stay in your house for a couple of weeks you want to stock up so you don't run out. See enough people doing that, and more people will buy bogroll simply through fear of shortages.
The 5G thing is just a whole other level of stupid. But we have a long tradition of popular fear around new technologies. Look at the fuss people made about television. Or microwave ovens. Or WiFi.
And if they’d bought enough for two weeks it’d be fine but they didn’t, they bought multiple multipacks.
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This is pretty much what shopping in Aldi feels like at the moment
https://youtu.be/-tanpSs4C_U
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Or electric toasters.
The first commercially available dual-sided electric toaster was launched in 1913. Within a year, the whole world was at war. Coincidence? You do the math.
:-)
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Or electric toasters.
The first commercially available dual-sided electric toaster was launched in 1913. Within a year, the whole world was at war. Coincidence? You do the math.
(Makes unattractive snorting noise)
Æxcellent! I shall steal this (and pass it off as my own).
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Or electric toasters.
The first commercially available dual-sided electric toaster was launched in 1913. Within a year, the whole world was at war. Coincidence? You do the math.
(Makes unattractive snorting noise)
Æxcellent! I shall steal this (and pass it off as my own).
Yeah! Me too.
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Or electric toasters.
The first commercially available dual-sided electric toaster was launched in 1913. Within a year, the whole world was at war. Coincidence? You do the math.
(Makes unattractive snorting noise)
Æxcellent! I shall steal this (and pass it off as my own).
Careful, we don't want it going viral.
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I’ve only just discovered this thread and TL:DR so forgive me if this has already been covered.
I was thinking while I was cutting the grass this afternoon, could C19 mutate like seasonal flu and thus continue to be a virus we are not immune too? My lack of specific virology education means all I know about flu and viruses generally is what I’ve picked up as a knowledge whore and the more detailed knowledge I’ve picked up from the vary clever people here abouts.
Probably not, CoVs mutate more slowly and in a different way to influenza viruses (while they both accumulate point mutations, CoVs have basic error correction – they code for an enzyme that chops up incorrect copies of their genome). Influenza viruses, however, have a segmented genome, and co-infection with different strains lets them package up a pick and mix of genome segments from each other. We do have immunity to many different influenza strains, the problematic ones are the ones that have developed significantly in other species, and thus they're novel in the same ways as SARS-CoV-2.
I think it's most likely to SARS-CoV-2 will simply become another endemic coronavirus. This is the process with most viruses, we fall into an evolutionary balance. Most of the occasionally sniffles we get were probably much the same as COVID-19 when they first found themselves in humans. It's the novelty.
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SARS mutated itself out of existence. No cases since 2004. In 2002, it cost me a tip-top all-expenses paid beano in Singapore, the little spiky bastard.
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I don’t think Sars-cov-2 is a strain of sars-cov-1, that would indicate one has mutated into the other. They will have a common ancestor but not in humans (or necessarily still in existence). I believe the genetically nearest coronavirus is in pangolins. Never liked them. Beady eyes.
Edit: ok I might be wrong on this.
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Poor wording on my part (did I mentioned the six pints of beer, the Tiny Rebel IPA was quite nice), they're both strains of the SARS-CoV, but not different CoVs. Viral taxonomy is more fiddlesome than most as they have rapidly changing genomes and their phenotypes are molecular.
They're all derived quite recently (via mutation) from CoVs in bats (we think). The pangolin thing is unproven, but they have found CoVs with very similar receptor binding proteins that have the same predicted shape affinities for their human cell receptor (ACE-2). Viruses are basically a fast-forward of evolution, they mutate quickly and reproduce in vast numbers. As the adage goes, unlike religion, evolution doesn't need you to believe in it.
Pangolins are ace. But this might be an object lesson in leaving them the fuck alone.
I don’t think ACE2 are the only widgets those corona pointy bits are sticking to. I reckon BSG too which is maybe why anti malaria potions might help if they don’t kill you.
And I am still blaming the pangolins
Getting into a cell is a complex process that involves a lot more than simply turning up at the front door. It then has to persuade the person who answers the door to let it in, or do the drug-squad 8am wake-up call, or sneak round the back and see if that's been left unlocked. There's a lot of molecular complexity involved in that.
It seems that SARS-CoV-2 has a couple of ways in. Interestingly, the original SARS-CoV was quite keen on BSG/CD147 too. Presumably, that was angle with the recent brief flush of blood group-related stories (BSG has some relationship with blood group immunogenicity, don't ask me what) and obviously it's role in Plasmodium entry into cells in malaria and excitement about antimalarials (which seems to have abated).
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... from a melting glacier due to global warming ...
I think you should worry more about the fact they are melting and is releasing Co2 and that last year we clocked some of the highest temps in the Arctic and Antarctica, heck even "winters" Alaska and Greenland had temps above 0c.
Alaska, Greenland and the Russian tundra was on fire too last year, but Australia got the spot on MSN. These areas should be frozen/permafrost not burning. Some of the worlds first climate change refugees are in Alaska as the soil defrosted and got swept out to sea.
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I think it's the uncertainty of this virus which makes us worry. It may turn out to be as big a threat as seasonal flu, or it may be several times worse...nobody knows yet. (The other worry is from watching the film 'Contagion', which is really good.) Although I may be high risk I stopped worrying after I read about the Chinese 'bat woman'. Her work joins the dots..suddenly it all makes sense. And there may be 5,000 more covids in bat caves, just waiting for a chance to meet us! https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
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Actually, there is another worry..we're going to have a global economic depression which could have been averted if more countries had an ordered, compliant society with effective contact tracing. There's now a compelling argument to sacrifice civil liberties in case another coronavirus comes along, which it is sure to do.
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... from a melting glacier due to global warming ...
I think you should worry more about the fact they are melting and is releasing Co2 and that last year we clocked some of the highest temps in the Arctic and Antarctica, heck even "winters" Alaska and Greenland had temps above 0c.
Alaska, Greenland and the Russian tundra was on fire too last year, but Australia got the spot on MSN. These areas should be frozen/permafrost not burning. Some of the worlds first climate change refugees are in Alaska as the soil defrosted and got swept out to sea.
We are perhaps better able to cope with a virus or two?
But maybe post-covid-19 would be an ideal time to reconsider what economic growth is actually for rather than leave it to the incoherent stupidity of the market.
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I feel your optimism is somewhat misplaced
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I'd just like to reassure you all that I have taken simple but effective steps to keep my cycling covid-free and urge everyone to do the same. I've sealed the valve caps on all my tyres; this stops the chemtrails getting in and so prevents 5G radio-activated viruses breeding in my tubes.
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I'd just like to reassure you all that I have taken simple but effective steps to keep my cycling covid-free and urge everyone to do the same. I've sealed the valve caps on all my tyres; this stops the chemtrails getting in and so prevents 5G radio-activated viruses breeding in my tubes.
I hope you removed the valve cores and put in some hand gel first, otherwise you have just created an incubator. When covid-20 comes we will know who to blame.
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I'd just like to reassure you all that I have taken simple but effective steps to keep my cycling covid-free and urge everyone to do the same. I've sealed the valve caps on all my tyres; this stops the chemtrails getting in and so prevents 5G radio-activated viruses breeding in my tubes.
I hope you removed the valve cores and put in some hand gel first, otherwise you have just created an incubator. When covid-20 comes we will know who to blame.
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I did better than that. I filled the tubes with my uncle's moonshine. Nothing survives that.