Author Topic: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)  (Read 28650 times)

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #125 on: 11 September, 2020, 07:10:48 am »
Is the plan to head to a pub near Bish Stortford for food tomorrow night? If so, best if I meet you there - as heading from opposite direction and will allow for slight imprecision on departure time on my part.

Which pub are you referring to. Yesterday evening we identified a few!

No idea! Didn't make it last night to the "planning" meeting! I'll stand by - how a location and time emerges is more mysterious than electing a new pope!

Oaky The Pub Finder identified The Three Horseshoes in Hazel End and The Three Willows in Burchanger. Helpfully no decision was made on which one we’ll go for. I’ll have a look later.

@Nick - the problem you’ve got is our eldest Elder doesn’t do apps!  He ain’t on social media, relies on the GPS between his ears (which is as good as any Garmin) but you can phone and text him!

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #126 on: 11 September, 2020, 10:23:06 am »
I've made an executive decision (which I can back out of if needs be)...

I have made a reservation for us at The Three Willows, Birchanger.  I have got us an outside table for between 2000 and 2030hrs, so perhaps we can meet there?  If anyone gets there before me claim the table, the reservation is in my name.

I think the plan is that me and Oaky will meet up on the Peg Millars / Dancing Dicks cross roads, sweep up Tomsk at the Jalsa Ghar and then ride on into the evening.

As I say I can unmake the reservation if it doesn't suit or someone has a betterer idea.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #127 on: 11 September, 2020, 11:08:10 am »
Meeting there at 2030 would be great for me.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #128 on: 11 September, 2020, 03:45:01 pm »
Sorry, chaps - I am going to have to bail out. Family stuff. Can I meet up with you tomorrow for the 2nd night? Maybe I'll catch up with you during the day?
Sorry again,Nick.

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #129 on: 11 September, 2020, 04:20:06 pm »
Sorry, chaps - I am going to have to bail out. Family stuff. Can I meet up with you tomorrow for the 2nd night? Maybe I'll catch up with you during the day?
Sorry again,Nick.

No worries fella, all my adventures have built in flexibility so join when you can.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #130 on: 11 September, 2020, 04:27:26 pm »
You're amazing  :-D :thumbsup:

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #132 on: 11 September, 2020, 06:04:16 pm »
Three willows just on left if you’ve come over the M11 on the cycle way from Stansted. Was there in lockdown.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #133 on: 20 September, 2020, 10:49:54 pm »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I now know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

Tomsk

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #134 on: 21 September, 2020, 06:43:14 am »
We need a write-up, it was an excellent weekend!

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #135 on: 21 September, 2020, 09:12:03 am »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I no know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

Dynohubs: I’ve only ever used Shimano. Buy from one of the German e-retailers, they are often much cheaper.

Wheel builders: Harry Rowlands in Kent, Malcolm of Cycle Clinic, Glemsford, BFC of yacf (I’d ask him first)

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #136 on: 21 September, 2020, 09:12:42 am »
We need a write-up, it was an excellent weekend!

I’ll get to it over the next few days.

bhoot

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #137 on: 21 September, 2020, 09:41:41 am »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I no know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

Dynohubs: I’ve only ever used Shimano. Buy from one of the German e-retailers, they are often much cheaper.

Wheel builders: Harry Rowlands in Kent, Malcolm of Cycle Clinic, Glemsford, BFC of yacf (I’d ask him first)
Or try Spa Cycles. Not everyone likes them but I have had three wheels from them, two with dynamo hubs and they have been fine. Price is usually competitive, especially if you are looking for something at the sturdier rather than lightweight end of the market.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #138 on: 21 September, 2020, 10:06:34 am »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I no know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

Dynohubs: I’ve only ever used Shimano. Buy from one of the German e-retailers, they are often much cheaper.

Wheel builders: Harry Rowlands in Kent, Malcolm of Cycle Clinic, Glemsford, BFC of yacf (I’d ask him first)
Or try Spa Cycles. Not everyone likes them but I have had three wheels from them, two with dynamo hubs and they have been fine. Price is usually competitive, especially if you are looking for something at the sturdier rather than lightweight end of the market.

Re choice of dynohub, there is often much debate over the better option for a particular use case. Things to consider include the drag when off (ie all those times you are riding during the day without lights / charging) and when in use. I've used SON, and have good experience with them. Others will say similar for Shimano, SP and whatever else.

Another builder who you might consider is 23mm.co.uk ... I've had a number of wheels build for different purposes. But BFC is your local builder who I would suggest having a word with first.

Eddington: 133 miles    Max square: 43x43

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #139 on: 21 September, 2020, 03:34:19 pm »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I no know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

Dynohubs: I’ve only ever used Shimano. Buy from one of the German e-retailers, they are often much cheaper.

Wheel builders: Harry Rowlands in Kent, Malcolm of Cycle Clinic, Glemsford, BFC of yacf (I’d ask him first)
Or try Spa Cycles. Not everyone likes them but I have had three wheels from them, two with dynamo hubs and they have been fine. Price is usually competitive, especially if you are looking for something at the sturdier rather than lightweight end of the market.

Re choice of dynohub, there is often much debate over the better option for a particular use case. Things to consider include the drag when off (ie all those times you are riding during the day without lights / charging) and when in use. I've used SON, and have good experience with them. Others will say similar for Shimano, SP and whatever else.

Another builder who you might consider is 23mm.co.uk ... I've had a number of wheels build for different purposes. But BFC is your local builder who I would suggest having a word with first.
My experience of dynohub is limited to Shimano and SP.  have two Shimanos which have lasted literally years and been very reliable. SP so far is good but needs a bit more speed than Shimano to light up fully. As far as drag goes it is not noticable in the real world. Did once see a quote regarding the effect of dynamo drag that you would finish a 200km 2.5 minutes slower with a dynamo over a conventional hub. Spa and Cycle Clinic are good choices for builders.

Carlosfandango

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #140 on: 21 September, 2020, 04:19:53 pm »
The bearings on SP dynamo's aren't long lived and are non serviceable, mine lasted 15,000km (unbelievable that I've cycled that far, I know) before I got a factory replacement. When my current one gives up I'll probably get a SON.

As for Spa Cycles, they don't like fulfilling their products guarantee, I've had to bypass them and go straight to the helpful manufacturer in the past.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #141 on: 21 September, 2020, 05:40:04 pm »
...  mine lasted 15,000km (unbelievable that I've cycled that far, I know)

Wish you would stop pre-empting what others might wish to write!

Eddington: 133 miles    Max square: 43x43

Oscar's dad

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #142 on: 21 September, 2020, 06:19:47 pm »
We need a write-up, it was an excellent weekend!
I’ll get to it over the next few days.

OK, here's a write up, if anyone wants to add to it please feel free.  I confess the age old yacf tradition of writing up adventures seems to have gone by the wayside, with me at least.  I tend to post random photos on social media as the opportunity presents and then don't bother with a write up which is a shame.



Due to Oaky's work commitments getting out of hand we were 45 minutes last leaving Witham which was to have ramifications as the evening wore on.  Our first major lump of COR was the Flitch Way along which we rattled at a good pace as the light faded.  The FW drops down on to the B1417 and you're supposed to get back on it by the old station (can't remember it's name), if you get it wrong you end up in the traveller's site... guess what we did?  Within about a minute we had an enthusiastic escort of yapping dogs.  We stopped, began to turn round and a "resident" appeared with a can of beer plus his life partner.  Expecting the worst I immediately apologised for the intrusion and informed the gent that we about to fook off smartish.  However, our new friends didn't want us to run the gauntlet of dogs "They'll bite you boss!" so opened up their private gate back on to the FW.  More apologies plus heartfelt thanks "No problem boss!" and we were off into the dusk! 

Once we got to Dunmow it was obvious that we might not make the Three Willows in Birchanger for last food orders at 2100hrs.  Tomsk and Elliot were already there and suggested we abandoned the COR, stuck to the tarmac.  Henceforth Oaky and I went into time trial mode. 

At one point I pulled over to let Tomsk know of our progress and Oaky went on a ahead.  A mile or three up the road I passed him stopped by the roadside mentioning something about a cyclepath.  My Wahoooooooooo said the pub and food was very close so I insisted we press on, bugger the cyclepath which would no doubt slow us down.  Wahoooooooooooooooooooooo indicated a roundabout was a few hundred metres away, which isn't normally a problem, I didn't realise it was the massive M11 / A120 / Stansted Airport double roundabout thingy.  I know this roundabout of old having gone round it many times in a car which is fine so long as you get in the right lane.  Going round it with a car and caravan measuring 12m in length is more exciting.  Going round it in the dark on a bicycle is too exciting and I'll try not to do it again.  Anyhow, we made it to the pub with about 15 minutes to spare and our lives intact.  Dinner, pints of beer (4 for me) plus chat was had - all very pleasant.

The bivvy site I had earmarked was very close, about a 15 minute ride, and we found it just as psyclist had described.  Tarps, bivvy bags and tents were set up...



Whether it was the 4 pints, or perhaps the slug of whiskey in my Horlicks, the lateness of the hour or simply the uneven ground but I managed to stumble against my tarp ripping away one of the guy points.  Naturally Tomsk had a nappy pin with which to effect a temporary repair.

The next morning dawned fair and we were happened across by a couple of dog walkers.  One, a posh lady was unfazed by our presence unlike her small dog who she reassured in strident tones "Yes I know [insert name of dog], we don't normally come across men camping on our morning walk do we!?! Never mind, let's press on, have a lovely day chaps!"  Some of us did what bears do in woods, there was actually a neighbouring wood, stoves were lit, wood was gathered for Oaky's stove, and we took a few moments to enjoy our rather picturesque surroundings...







All packed up, we set off.  As we had spent the night by the side of the bridleway the COR started straightaway and was pretty unrelenting, it was clear early on that Oaky was going to win all the points as he was doing incredibly well on 28mm slick tyres and fixed gears!  It was Saffron Walden for a 'spoons breakfast then to Bicicletta for nice coffee.  Opposite the coffee shop was a haberdashery where I bought needle and thread to repair my tarp; in fact I made two visits as on the first I accidentally bought blunt tapestry needles  ::-) ...













One of the great things about riding with Tomsk are the random facts he comes out with:

Back in time a bull escaped from the Saffron Walden cattle market and went on the rampage causing chaos, apparently it didn't enter a china shop.

The glove makers of Saffron Walden rarely if ever caught the Black Death which led to them attaining a hallowed status.  Modern science now reveals that it was the lavender oil which they used to work the fine glove leather repelled the fleas which transmitted the plague.

Dick Turpin was captured when the postmaster of Dunmow (I think) recognised his handwriting.

Highwaymen earnt their dandy reputation as they were often Royalist noblemen from whom the Roundheads had confiscated their lands and fortunes.

Tomsk really should write a book!

A text was received from Nick saying he had set off from Ongar and was now in hot pursuit along our route.  We attempted to make life easier for him by stopping for beer at the Red Lion Steeple Bumpstead, tea and Eccles cakes in Clare, diverting for some bonus COR to the outskirts of Sudbury and then more beer at the Henny Swan.  Oaky booked us in for dinner at the Lamarsh Lion whose food cut off was 2000hrs so we advised Nick to abandon the COR and adopt TT mode as Oaky and I had done the previous evening.  Nick arrived at the pub with a generous amount of time in hand looking very fresh when considering the hard day he'd had.

Again our bivvy site was close by, supposedly, but it turned out the spot I'd eyeballed in Google Earth wasn't suitable to we cast about for an alternative.  The found a scrubby wood which wasn't great but adequate...



The next morning the routine established the previous morning was repeated: bears, woods, stoves etc.  Then the peloton set off for a final short (for some of us) if hilly leg back to Witham...





My guts weren't feeling great, so I opted out of breakfast at Witham 'spoons.

All in all it was a splendid adventure made all the more splendid by the splendid company - thanks all  :-*

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #143 on: 21 September, 2020, 07:47:56 pm »
Nice write up. The cycleway is actually pretty good. Tarmac up to and over the bridge over M11 then short bit of fine gravel landing you right by the Three Willows.  No poor obstructions. I did it on my recumbent a few months back which tells you how easy the gravel surface is.

Carlosfandango

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #144 on: 21 September, 2020, 08:40:21 pm »
...  mine lasted 15,000km (unbelievable that I've cycled that far, I know)

Wish you would stop pre-empting what others might wish to write!

It's not difficult, you're all so very predictable!

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #145 on: 21 September, 2020, 09:10:21 pm »
Thank you, guys - it was an enlightening experience and I no know how not to pitch a tent!
Really enjoyed it, so thank you.
Also am still thinking of the Dyno setup, can you pm me, OD, with some of the advice you gave me on the night regarding wheel builders and hub options?
Thanks!

My road bike has a SON my newer recumbent a far cheaper Shimano offering for £45. You wouldn’t be able to tell which was which on the road. Difference  between them too small to be worth worrying about.  What I like about the shimano one is that it has a simple Lego brick connector which you fold the bare wires around. So it’s much more field serviceable if a wire pulls out or something. The SON uses spade connectors. The Shimano is also cup and cone. When I’d built the wheel I undid the left hand side and carefully injected more grease into the bearings both sides then did it back up.  My Shimano one went through all this years winter storms and it works just fine and the light output seems what it should be. I’ll probably inject more grease soon before the weather deteriorates again. My Shimano one is up to 6,000 miles.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #146 on: 22 September, 2020, 10:22:09 pm »
Great write up from OD, so many thanks for that - it was good to catch up on the first bit, which I missed.
Thatnk you to everyone that has contributed to answering my dyno questions and I will will read, digest, and no doubt be back with more questions!
All the best,Nick.

jiberjaber

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Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #147 on: 23 September, 2020, 12:47:16 am »
The bearings on SP dynamo's aren't long lived and are non serviceable, mine lasted 15,000km (unbelievable that I've cycled that far, I know) before I got a factory replacement. When my current one gives up I'll probably get a SON.

As for Spa Cycles, they don't like fulfilling their products guarantee, I've had to bypass them and go straight to the helpful manufacturer in the past.

I've just sent my SP dyno in for a rebuild at 31,000km but mine is the through axle version so maybe slightly different loads etc?
Regards,

Joergen

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #148 on: 27 September, 2020, 10:40:30 pm »
OK, do you guys have any advice on rims? There are just so many. Sure, I could read a few reviews and choose something but I'd rather get some advice from people I know. Should I start another thread? Is there already a suitable thread somewhere? Just really looking for a top-middle-bottom guid price-wise, really.
Ta,Nick.

Re: Mid-Essex / Bit of Suffolk 2 night bivvy extravaganza (11th to 13th September)
« Reply #149 on: 28 September, 2020, 05:53:17 am »
OK, do you guys have any advice on rims? There are just so many. Sure, I could read a few reviews and choose something but I'd rather get some advice from people I know. Should I start another thread? Is there already a suitable thread somewhere? Just really looking for a top-middle-bottom guid price-wise, really.
Ta,Nick.

If you are using a wheelbuilder, they will guide you depending on the type of riding and type/size of tyre you will be using. Other factors include rim braking or disc, and tubeless or not. I would also aim to go for a rim that doesn’t make getting your chosen tyre on/off a nightmare.

My wheelbuilder had bad experiences with a rim I was hoping to use, and recommended DTSwiss. I’ve now got a few wheels built with different DTSwiss rim models, and have found them just fine. One feature that I like is that the stickers come off easily ... I’m not a fan of manufacturer labels over everything, unless they wish to sponsor me!

Others I am sure will have good experiences with other rims. Hence talking to your wheelbuilder would be a good option, to factor your specifics into the equation.


Eddington: 133 miles    Max square: 43x43