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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #175 on: 11 December, 2019, 06:57:36 pm »

Cork - Kinsale

I did plot a route to cycle from Cork in 2016, but never rode it, as Seamus picked us up from the train station.  Can you share a link to a quiet route from Cork Airport to Kinsale ?  It looks like I'll be able to get away with just unbolting the seat and handlebars, and taking the rear derailleur off my recumbent, before packaging it up for flight.  So not too much to do at the Cork end before I can ride it.

Here is the route. Once you exit the airport @ 0.5km, there are no turns / junctions until you reach Kinsale.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31584533

Irish Drivers

In 2016 I actually found the drivers pretty decent, compared to SE England drivers, apart from when we were passing through Sligo.  The traffic then was pretty light though, on the roads we went down, don't know what it'll be like four years on.


Having done LEL and 1200k in Wales/Eng/Scot last year, I found British drivers more considerate. Drivers here are rarely malicious, but they just dont see anything wrong with treating cyclists like inanimate objects. But traffic will be quiet most days, expect the ring of Kerry and around Galway and Sligo to be the busiest.

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #176 on: 11 December, 2019, 07:21:09 pm »
If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

This'll be handy as I'm planning to sailrail it.

Are you planning on arriving in Dublin or Rosslare?
In Dublin, you'll have a few km through the city to get from port to train station.
Rosslare might not work at all. No direct rail from Rosslare to Cork, so you probably will have to go up to Dublin to come back down to Cork!

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #177 on: 11 December, 2019, 08:34:08 pm »
If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

This'll be handy as I'm planning to sailrail it.

Are you planning on arriving in Dublin or Rosslare?
In Dublin, you'll have a few km through the city to get from port to train station.
Rosslare might not work at all. No direct rail from Rosslare to Cork, so you probably will have to go up to Dublin to come back down to Cork!

The Irish leg of the outbound journey will be Heuston to Kent; ideas on how to get from the Stena terminal at Dublin port to Heuston would be handy too.

Return journey will probably be a late train from Derry to Belfast for a morning ferry as Stranraer to Dundee/Leuchars takes most of the day.

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #178 on: 11 December, 2019, 11:32:01 pm »

The Irish leg of the outbound journey will be Heuston to Kent; ideas on how to get from the Stena terminal at Dublin port to Heuston would be handy too.

Return journey will probably be a late train from Derry to Belfast for a morning ferry as Stranraer to Dundee/Leuchars takes most of the day.

Stena port to Heuston station is an easy navigation, its along the quays. From the ferry port, follow directions to city centre and basically follow the river for another few km. The rail station is just after the Guinness brewery.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #179 on: 26 December, 2019, 12:39:48 am »
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #180 on: 26 December, 2019, 08:04:00 am »
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #181 on: 26 December, 2019, 11:09:20 am »
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.

Hm, I associate the west coast of Ireland with wild fluctuations in barometric pressure... Could be interesting readings in that  :P
(The 26ish is from the NASA SRTM DEM google use which will probably miss a lot of the littler lumps)

Good to know, thanks  :)

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #182 on: 26 December, 2019, 12:47:10 pm »
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.

Hm, I associate the west coast of Ireland with wild fluctuations in barometric pressure... Could be interesting readings in that  :P
(The 26ish is from the NASA SRTM DEM google use which will probably miss a lot of the littler lumps)

Good to know, thanks  :)

I believe AAA assessment uses an elevation model, which may well be SRTM for Ireland. What SRTM resolution it uses, is anyone's guess.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #183 on: 26 December, 2019, 06:51:01 pm »
Probably 90m... :-(

Ran it through the analyser tool:
What I find interesting is that despite the datasource being "GPX" for the data which I take to mean it's using RWGPS' elevations that are put into the GPX

RWGPS says 21260m of climb in 22017km

But the tool says:
Total Distance: 2199.3 km
Total Climbing: 26283 m
AAA Points: 26.25
Data Source: GPX file

Wish Strava's route tool was better as they use crowdsourced barometric data for their elevations.


EDIT:
According to https://ridewithgps.com/help/grade-and-elevation

RWGPS :
When you plan a route on the website, the elevation used comes from a data set that was taken during a shuttle mission in the early 2000’s, where the shuttle orbited the earth and scanned the surface using radar, to estimate elevation. The resulting elevation dataset is a grid with 90 meter spacing between points, and for each point in a route planned using our software, we lookup the elevation using this dataset. We do a little math to enhance the accuracy of the estimate by interpolating between points. For example, if the point falls in the middle of a cell in the elevation dataset, we interpolate between neighboring points to estimate the elevation at that point. We have a couple higher precision datasets in specific areas that we use instead of SRTM where available, but the majority of routes planned outside of the United States use the SRTM dataset.

So yeah it's the 90m data that I've worked with for landscape creation before, but they do a little fiddling with it.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #184 on: 04 February, 2020, 09:56:41 pm »
Just got the update about accommodation at controls
Good news particularly for me as I like to ride late which doesn't really suit B&Bs

Edit: The timings on the FAQ page (which is currently 404ing) and my calculated opening/closing times aren't lining up.


Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #185 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:31:31 pm »
Yeah lot more sleep controls now and details of some of the lunch stops.  I want to ride as much in daylight as possible. First day to Bantry might see a small amount of night riding on last bit depending what the weather is doing.  But hopefully away by 5am on day 2 will set the routine for the rest of my riding days, 

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #186 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:37:42 pm »

Edit: The timings on the FAQ page (which is currently 404ing) and my calculated opening/closing times aren't lining up.

If it’s anything like 2016, intermediate controls will not be open for the full period they theoretically could be.

Timing based on 10km/h is still a good guide for starting from then adjust as necessary for control openings and ferries.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #187 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:43:46 pm »
With the FAQ timings the 9th day reads as the 3rd of July not the 4th.

DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenClosesNotes
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00   
2Cahirciveen43718627/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00      
2Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Kilrush74020528/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag - Must not cross the shannon on Day 2… Don't think that'll be a problem
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00      
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00      
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag   
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00      
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish   
9Peace Bridg220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00      

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #188 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:44:56 pm »

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #189 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:52:00 pm »
So my reading of that says the 3rd is day 9, because the 2nd is day 8

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #190 on: 04 February, 2020, 10:57:28 pm »
With the FAQ timings the 9th day is the 3rd of July not the 4th.
DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenClosesNotes
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00   
2Cahirciveen43718627/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00      
3Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Kilrush74020528/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag - Must not cross the shannon on Day 2… Don't think that'll be a problem
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00      
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00      
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag   
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00      
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish   
9Peace Bridg220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00      

Depends on how you are counting days.

If you are counting ride days with sleep in between then technically Friday is your 9th day of riding.  If you are counting days as every 24hr period starting Thu 25th 9:00am then day 9 starts Jul 4th 9:00am.

The dates on the FAQ look correct.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #191 on: 04 February, 2020, 11:03:44 pm »
Yes I've just realized this, the way the FAQ is presented the 4th is Day 10

Doh!

I've also noted that Dunfanghay closes at 5am on my sheet but I note the FAQ says 5pm to 5pm.
If I left there at 5am I'd hope to finish on the friday.

Just looking at ferry times and locations now.

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #192 on: 04 February, 2020, 11:06:27 pm »
First one 9:40am and 70km from Dunfanaghy.

I’ve decided to stop short on the Friday with a 174km day. Few drinks Fri night, get my kit washed, reflect on the ride before I finish, then easy roll to Derry in Sat morning after a full Irish breakfast.

I’ll be having a lie in at Dunfanaghy to reflect this.

Whether I finish Fri or Sat I intend to be around Sat night to see the last of the 184 hour riders come in. So it’d be B&B Fri and Sat night either way.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #193 on: 04 February, 2020, 11:25:17 pm »
I'll need to get the early ferry from Belfast to get home on the Sunday night with the morning ferry thanks to the trains from Stranraer.
So think I need to get to Belfast on the Saturday night.

Updated with ferry distances on the current RWGPS route.
DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenCloses
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00
2Knightstown Ferry43218127/06/2020 04:12Ferry26/06/2020 07:4526/06/2020 21:10
2Cahirciveen437527/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00
2Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Shannon Ferry72619128/06/2020 09:36Ferry27/06/2020 07:3027/06/2020 21:30If miss last ferry then need to find accom in Area
3Kilrush7401428/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish
9Rathmullan Ferry20565903/07/2020 22:36Ferry03/07/2020 09:4003/07/2020 19:00Other ferries at 11, 1220, 1340, 1500, 1620, 1740
10Peace Bridge220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #194 on: 04 February, 2020, 11:44:47 pm »
Quick blat on the RWGPS distances for the table I created (treating Dunfanaghy to Derry as one ride)

Day 1: 2972m in 251km
Day 2: 3058m in 284km (probably stop short of Dingle but need to remember there's a ferry to catch.)
Day 3: 1744m in 205km
Day 4: 1480m in 211km
Day 5: 2068m in 274km
Day 6: 2097m in 267km
Day 7: 2100m in 263km
Day 8: 2687m in 242km
Day 9: 2513m in 262km

Obviously it's SRTM data so need to add 10% or more...
But as headline figures only the first and last 2 days are higher than I'm particularly used to.

Phil W

Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #195 on: 05 February, 2020, 08:24:58 am »
Check your day 9, it’s not 262km.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #196 on: 05 February, 2020, 08:41:32 am »
Check your day 9, it’s not 262km.
It's not is it.
203 from dunfanaghy to derry.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #197 on: 05 February, 2020, 11:03:23 am »
Day 1 in FAQ is missing the Goleen (just before Mizen Head) lunch stop.

All lunch stops will be provided 1200 till 1700 from my conversations with Eamon.

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #198 on: 05 February, 2020, 11:06:56 am »
The caricheevem stop at 185km from bantry seems like I'll struggle to make unless I set off at 6am... Ugh!

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Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
« Reply #199 on: 05 February, 2020, 11:08:17 am »
Otherwise decent, theres pribably a point I'd get fed up of soda farls and club orange from spars.

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