I feel like I'm a real member of the AUK community this week - I took 40 winks in a shop doorway on a ride this weekend and my photo is on page 43 of Arrivee :thumbsup:
RJMcB
Spotted the first rider mis-ID on the second photo in the mag; "Peter Finch" is in fact my old boss Geoff
Not sure what the El Supremo letter is about (and I don't have the luxury of being able to turn away EOL's on my event)
Don't forget to keep your AUK dinner booking form (typical; I'd just sent an entry form to Pam about 10mins before it hit the doormat)
This isn't fair. I'm not back at home until tomorrow night.
The Summer issue of Arrivée plopped onto my doormat this morning.
Miffed! :( Two rides mentioned in which I participated and not a pic of me in sight
Probably due to the fact that I am so far back that the photo fiends have long gone home by the time I get there.
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?
:-\
Maybe your not the right image for the magazine? Are you younger than 30, cleanly shaven and kitted out in the most fashionable cycling attire? If so, you probably got red penned
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
I think the intention was the former "...alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members "As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".
So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?
Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
A bit of both surely, though the article does say its mostly a temporary member/BP phenomena. Hopefully regular/experienced riders will be more on the ball, er, bike. An extremely useful piece of communication, I thought.As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".
So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?
Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members? The £15 joining fee isn't exactly expensive*. I understand that a counter argument would be that you don't want to discourage new members by not allowing them a taster before they join.
Joining fee with a refund if not into it after one ride? Too much admin?
* To me, obviously. But even then, it's only a fraction of the amount of money most people spend on a bike. Or down the pub.
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members?
The whole insurance thing is just an example of how our society is being crippled by the selfish+1
Firstly, it is not possible to run events etc without insuranceWhen _I_ run the country, the government will provide some sort of backup cover for extreme compensation claims made against organisers of health-promoting events. Thus the insurance will remain affordable to organisers.
<snip>
Therefore, shortly we won't be able to run any events. Just because of the twonkish nature of the way these things are.
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?
:-\
If insurance is withdrawn (whether for non-members or all) I wonder whether we'd have to insist that all entrants must have their own cover.
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
Maybe I should submit a series of Teethgrinder length articles for the next issue ;D
Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
QuoteTim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
With fewer "new to audax" articles? n00bs with inner tubes ::-)
I didn't really understand the insurance issue :-[.
If people are making spurious claims against the AUK policy, surely the insurance company just (correctly) rejects them? I've never come across an insurance company that pays out when it doesn't have to. I can't see an obvious correlation between organisers reporting "incidents" and valid 3rd party claims on AUK's insurance.
I don't think the claims are really spurious. 'Where there's blame, there's a claim' is the sort of attitude that many now have, and less experienced riders seem both much more likely to be involved in a crash and to make a claim.
I'd guess that most of the problem claims are due to touching wheels in a group or similar, so the best thing would probably be to remove all cycling equipment and clothing from what's covered.
That would leave the insurance covering claims for physical injury or for damage to 3rd party motor vehicles or whatever, which is the sort of claim that the insurance is meant to protect you against, IMO.
Oh yeah and another thingYou clearly feel quite strongly about this ... !
The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to ArriveeYou could approach it as giving advice to future riders e.g.
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
Oh yeah and another thing
The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
Despite it being local and the conditions being good this was my slowest ever 300. I have never seen more crappy lanes joined up into a route. There wasn't enough fast road to cover 300k in a reasonable fashion.
But from reading the article you'd think it was tea and cake and a pleasant roll round.
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee
I managed to get two articles published...
I managed to get two articles published...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.
Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed :o
I make my Arrivee photo debut :-X
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte. By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte. By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D
1 - the same one who did a sports psychologist number on Liz while stroking her knee in a most alarming manner.
I managed to get two articles published...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.
Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed :o
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.
An' a very good article it is too. :thumbsup:
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.
An' a very good article it is too. :thumbsup:
Which article is his?
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year.
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.
I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year.
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.
I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I liked your article too Dominic.
Next time you plan a DIY, maybe you would like me to have a look at your route before you ride it. I might know what you can get at your control towns.
And yes, that road from Barton Le Clay to Hitchin is a bit lumpy.
Surely, you should submit a report anyway provided it's not a DNS. We all like to read about the successful riders, but I reckon that the most memorable PBP by any (y)ACFer was that which resulted in the jobshare between Larrington D. and M. le Maire de Mortagne-au-Perche.
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.
That must explain it. There's a fair number of Antipodeans around us in SW London.
Hoping it is on my doormat when I get home this evening.
Was it?
Must have been lost in the post.
*bump*
Anything?
*bump*sorry, yes, will pm you the email
Anything?
Finished mine. You wannit?
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:
38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.
Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
Nah - we are saving that for the next issue.My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
Did Aimee and her puppies not get in there then?
Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent volunteer photos in - :D :D :D And the one of Richard Carpenters somewhat bent bike.
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!
If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then.
Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent volunteer photos in - :D :D :D And the one of Richard Carpenters somewhat bent bike.
I bet he wasn't feeling on top of the world.
Excellent fast turnround by Tim, from post-LEL to doormats in record time. :thumbsup:
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
And MSeries, also 2 pages of twitter feed from #lel. AUK is coming into the 21st century ;D
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!
I hope so. If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then.
From past experience, there can be a big time gap between Arrivee arrivals, a mystery of the Royal Mail, so don't panic if you haven't received yours. I haven't got mine yet
Alternatively, join Audax UK or bribe a member coming to Mildenhall with CAKE...
I haven't got mine yet
I loved the tweets!New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place. The price for LEL.
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
Not got mine yet. If you can't get one alan you can have mine
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?That's my Dad bottom right on page 64, Frank Peacock, next to Margaret Peacock, my step Mother, their 3rd LEL. To the left of that picture, the couple in the red shirts are John and Margaret Davis, long standing friends of theirs from Ribble Valley Cycle Racing Club. Above them to the left of the photograph is my ubiquitous friend Riccardo Gravina, who also appears opposite the Baltic Star rider Tatiana in the second down from the right, seated incongruously in the children's chairs at Washingborough, as evidenced by the kid's plastic lunch plates. Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold. Are we entirely sure that the picture of Spencer Klassen is not Benny Hill, on the fastest fixie in the West. Often a picture is worth a thousand words so I refer you to page 2, top right.
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
I loved the tweets!New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place. The price for LEL.
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
These LEL pictures are not from LEL - there are like 3? pictures in the rain?
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
I've been using MSeries long before browser based forums such as this where inventedIt's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice :thumbsup:
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two! PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two! PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
Thanks Liz for your kind offer but as you may see upthread I have accepted an earlier offer.It would be rude to now decline it.
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, the rainstorm on the way back and the Munchkin chairs have displaced Tommy's kind ministrations from my recollection.Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience
I haven't got mine yetTry changing your name to Agley - that should do it.
According to page 21, you're a figure of speech. (However the author appears to be on some sort of 'interesting' medication.)It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
looks of disbelief in being sent up the only steep hill visible for 20 miles in any direction spoke volumes. I got a picture of an overgeared French lad tacking up that one, I later had to interpret for him as he received massage for the inflamed tendons in the front of his knee at Coxwold.
I think that report was an attempt at purely factual meeting minutes. I can imagine it's hard to 'minute' a discussion without any hard facts, so RP just did his best.Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience
I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals. Not that anyone is, just saying...
The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
...
I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals. Not that anyone is, just saying...
The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
How's the Italian coming on? From now on you'll always be 'Il Salvatore' to me.
Damon.
...
So, is this simply a clash of personalities based on a misunderstanding of the organiser's place in the LEL scheme? Or is someone out of order?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
The criticism is already out there.
But I was looking for some explanation.
Talking of photos ...
I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)
Are editorial standards slipping?!?
Talking of photos ...
I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)
Are editorial standards slipping?!?
...
I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this.
...
I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this.
Why not? On this forum it seems acceptable to accuse Lance Armstrong of being a drugs cheat and a retailer (or their staff) of some involvement in credit card fraud. But if you enquire about the circumstances of a published criticism of an event organiser by an AUK official then you're a child molester or wife beater?
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:
38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.
Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secritbunkerforum somewhere do they?
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secritbunkerforum somewhere do they?
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:
Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)
Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating. Or even drinking Stella Artois.
Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...
Ooh, you are so analogue!
(Compare the digital file sizes, and I think a picture is often worth many times that.)
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:
Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)
Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating. Or even drinking Stella Artois.
Oh Dear.It woz Stella I gave out at the end of LEL....And there are photos to prove it....... ;D :smug:
But i didn't actually force people to drink it.....
Memo to internets:Point taken - I shall avoid this in future diplomatic incidents!
Not everyone is familiar with the logical fallacy of a loaded question, and may wrongly interpret a question about beating your wife as an actual allegation of wife beating...
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice :thumbsup:Agreed - I've done it 3 times - gets better each time ... last time on 1 July this year - hoping for a pass for this year on 6 Sept
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.
So, hello Hummers and Postie.
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
....and also in response the Greenbank, but I don't know how to copy 2 posts in a reply:
Not much of a clique then? ;)
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.
So, hello Hummers and Postie.
*waves*
Hello Rob
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another bumper edition hits the doormats;
for those who haven't got it photos appearances by
Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;
looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
Mine arrived this morning whilst I was out practising for LEL 2013 ;DI notice you can renew your subscription online.Whatever next?Just done mine easy!
This is certainly my type of riding.The zoomzoom days are long gone & I shall stop buying C+ which will susidise my recurring AUK subscriptions :)
another bumper edition hits the doormats;
for those who haven't got it photos appearances by
Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;
looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
You forgot to mention that you also appear..or is that taken for granted? Haha.
Some good pictures from the IHG.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
Well it was LEL year ;)
Is that what all those folk, that I was serving trifle to in Dalkeith, were up to? They did look a wee bit sweaty.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?
It is indeed a Chuffster.
They didn't use *that* photo, I hope?
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Some good articles this month.+1 Best LEL report so far. (Sorry Damon, yours was pretty good too.)
Not least the LEL account from the German chap ...
or the photo is indeed excellent, but was not fit for publication.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
For those who always said they'd be glad to see the back of me, now is your chance.
It's taken 3 years and many thousands of Audax miles but my left shoulder and the rear of my YACF shirt finally made it into Arrivee (waiting to board the IoW Ferry). It may be tenuous but it's fame none the less.
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
Less of a criticism, more of an observation.
@vorsprung
Has that fulcrum wheel got enough spokes for Audax?
Good photo though, should be a caption competition if you ask me....
"I've unpacked the bike, and I think there may be a few bits missing..."
I have joined AUK. Whohoo!
I got my first Arrivee copy in the post this morning. Excellent articles all around and superb pictures. Congrats.
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online. It'd be a great way to promote Audax and Long distance cycling.
Nic
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online.
I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
I have to agree. I really dislike reading magazines online - especially when the publishers insist on using some flash based abomination that is supposed to look like turning pages but ends up combining the worst features of reading on a computer with the worst of reading paper.
Give me something I can read in the bath whilst soaking after a long ride any day!
I would like an online archive though for finding and referring to old material.
There should be no reason (other than bandwidth) that the magazine isn't available on-line. If it is printable then it is pdf-able.
Yup. Hard copy for reading on the bog, in bed, on the train etc. On line a month or two later for reference purposes.
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Good to see AUK sticking to their policy of not printing finishing times for rides.
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)
They've done well to get Tim Wainwrights pics of the Mille Cymru in.
Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
Those were the days ...
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Well, at least he's smiling (sort of) and isn't screaming abuse ;)
I've not seen a copy yet. Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
Oh what an afternoon. A new pair of wheels sitting in my office, and a copy of Arrivee at home to peruse (hopefully).
I've not seen a copy yet. Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
A very good one of you, since you're fishing ;)
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
And you have the front cover.
And you have the front cover.
First job is a quick flip through to look at the pics, then I read it in detail over breakfast, over a few days
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
... the cover photo has been credited to John Martin. Whoops.
I can't get to see my copy. ::-)
mrs. jogler tells me that I appear therein :o
My grand daughter says she will confirm when she has it next :facepalm:
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Northern Slags!
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Northern Slags!
Just naturally photogenic O:-)
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once. Poor effort.No. It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut. What a shame. :'(
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once. Poor effort.No. It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut. What a shame. :'(
your theory doesn't work Chris S
that was on a flat route & my first year as an AUK member
3 images of me, is this some kind of record for a single edition?And you got the best picture of me on a bike I have yet seen.
Thanks Dave, loving your work.
From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)
* escapes again *
If you don't ride hilly events - you can remain anonymous for years.
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
Good to see YACF's Cyclops on the front cover. I have a suspicion that several copies of this edition will end up on the table in a certain dentist's waiting room :P
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page352,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
They do seem to have printed with extra contrast and with the contrast turned up to supernova. I'll remember to flatten them before sending next time so they print better.
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue?
nice to see some regular top notch photos appearing not just from the camera of Tim too :thumbsup:
I think anything that gets submitted goes in; from what I hear from Tim there is often a shortage of material in some issues which is why you get full page photos of people doing rides from last year ;)Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!
We see some really entertaining RRs on the internet - please folks send them to Tim and team!
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!
Dullness isn't really the problem - it's a niche product aimed at a limited audience who have already expressed an interest in the subject by virtue of joining AUK
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Is that pre or post hissy fit?
...You've touched on something I've found ever since my first Arrivee. If I'm reading a report as much for information as entertainment, my brain needs a little guidance!
I was very interested in reading, but I found it almost impossible to extract the useful information from it.
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Is that pre or post hissy fit?
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
Your one of us now 'Robert'.
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page352,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
I wonder if it would be helpful to have a standard proforma summary with RRs. (It could be in small font, bottom of the left margin say). Basically the sort of info in the calendar entry, but perhaps fleshed out a bit - thoughts anyone?
;D
PS another thing a good sub editor would do is check the names of contributors.
Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about - but again it would require a sub editor to write it...Very true. I made my suggestion as I thought it could be done without any extra labour* from the editorial team, and authors wouldn't need to do any extra thinking.
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
I think it was taken at 60k :(
digestif ... a sportif with biscuits? ;D
Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about
Found the Mont Ventoux article vaguely inspiring
I thought my intro panel was snappy and informative.
Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
Hmm... he may well be an expert in print production but his skills are perhaps slightly wanting in other areas of the production process... which isn't meant as a criticism. Far from it. All those involved in Arrivee do sterling work and I appreciate their efforts. It must be a mammoth task to put an issue together, and clearly a lot of time and energy is put into it - all unpaid too, I presume. Chapeau to all the editors.
Thing is, I have a certain amount of professional expertise myself and sometimes when I'm reading Arrivee, I find it hard to resist the urge to get the red pen out...
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue? Is sub-editing and proofreading a team effort? Or is it a one-man job from beginning to end?
I'm contemplating the rash move of Getting Involved but I fear a greater level of commitment is involved than I may be able to offer.
d.
There's not really an editorial process behind each issue. More often than not, editors are scrabbling round for copy to fill the pages and all the little gaps that are left when an article doesn't fit the page. You might have noticed that FOUR of the articles were written by one author and TWO by another. Good job they bothered to write, it would be down to a 32pp without them.
There must be something wrong with my copy - no pictures of Martin Malins.
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(Worth waiting for. (See p52) ;)
Grr!
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.I haven't. But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).
Meh, still didn't come today :(
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.I haven't. But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).
Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
Presumably someone asking why it's moving round so slowly ;D
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
(BTW I am not scottish..)
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
would those be the glasses with the scotch in?
(BTW I am not scottish..)
I'll see if I can get them to send another one first, thanks Noodley.Meh, still didn't come today :(
you want mine?
Meh, still didn't come today :(
I take it from the fact that I've had a few membership renewals to process already that Arrivee 110 is now out ... checks mail box ... yes here it is.
With it you will see your Membership Renewal form. (If you need them instructions on what to do are on page 7). If your AUK membership expires by the end of December 2010 then we need some money from you. The best way to proceed is to go to www.aukweb.net/renewal (http://www.aukweb.net/renewal) and follow the on-screen instructions.
Now back to Arrivee to see how many VC167 jerseys are in this one - um just the 2.
Mike
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members? My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
non arrive ici
How many Martin Malins?
non arrive ici
Hang on! Contrary to popular misconceptions, the Royal Mail sometimes isn't that good. Give it a week then PM me if it still n'est pas arrive
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
Frustrated of Dorset
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I'm trying to work out if there is a third cyclist right behind you. Perhaps that's Jamie.
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
non arrive ici
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27.
on a sunny day
I wouldn't worry about it Paul, Johnny Five's not captioned on the same page and he used to be in the movies.
How many Martin Malins?
non arrive ici
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(nor has mine
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
And stickier too!
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
Well, it will arrivee, and you know just where too
Pages 9 to 16 and 47 to 56 were missing. To compensate Pages 25 to 40 were in twice.
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
There still is. They're meant for large penises.
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
Arrivee n'est arrive pas. :(
Of course the british Dreadnought was a real battleship of a condom.The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
I've been stroking mine for days.
I've been stroking mine for days.
There still is. They're meant for large penises.
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition. :smug:Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Glad I'm not alone
I canna understand why Eck and the Pingus in the frozen North have received their Arrivees and mine is lost in the system somewhere even tho' I'm right in the centre of Scotland.But we haven't received ours.
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition. :smug:Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Glad I'm not alone
I could be persuaded to auction it at the forthcoming YACF ECosse swa-ray. ;D
I made the mistake of reading McNasty's article while I was having my tea. :facepalm: :sick:It's jolly decent of you to acknowledge this problem. I often read scotch ride reports (and indeed discussions on this very forum) wondering if our northern members are using a foreign language.
If any of our southern cousins requires a translation..... you don't want to know. :hand:
Il est arrive! Yay!
scotch event
Maybe this is intended to be like those football card swap games - you have to bring your copy of Arrivee to the AGM or your next rides, and see if you can swap your duplicate pages with other people until you end up with a complete copy :)
(still waiting for mine, but the postman hasn't been yet today).
Quotescotch event
You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!
Mine isn't here yet :(
??? Where's Dutland?Quotescotch event
You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!
Mine isn't here yet :(
Nor mine
Rather hoping for some reports of Duttish events organised by Duts people
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
I really like the look of that :thumbsup:
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.
H
Missing pages? What about a missing magazine ::-)
Hopefully the postie'll be finished with it soon :demon:
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.
H
Mine arrived yesterday.
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one .....................
How long does it take to get a bearing....
In that case there will also be a "Mary Doyle", for they were the only two ladies riding the "Mr. P's Hay-in-a-day" event.
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
I'm not sure what the answer is. We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
I'm not sure what the answer is. We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.
DUnno. If I was mistaken for, say, George Clooney, I'd live with it.
the social side - well - you've met those people haven't you?As little as possible: I intend to do the Eureka as a 200km solo time trial.
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
Who knows? They could be hiding behind a userid. But if you looked them up on audax.uk.net (http://www.audax.uk.net), click on "e-mailing list" and then "Auks on email", you could ask them yourself (whoever you are)
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.
But did they get your name right?
It has arrived in mainland Europe today.
Today I also received the Dutch CTC magazine.
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
P.S. Mrs Cyklisten is now on YACF so you can PM her instead/aswell
Are my eyes deceiving me or has Dan Howard on the front cover got his mudguard fittings on the wrong way round. It looks as though he has the quick release thingy on the back and nothing on the front. I think he should be told.He's on fixed with track drop-outs. That way he can dislodge the mudguard stays to pull the wheel out easily. Ideally he'd get a second pair of quick release blocks for the front, but you only get one pair in the box when you buy those 'guards!
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
I was the Organiser of this year's Dark Peak so I think you'll find that it's my Mam Nick
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?Samyang 8mm. ~=16 on my Olympus. Very pleased with it.
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?Samyang 8mm. ~=16 on my Olympus. Very pleased with it.
And yes, its really nice not having to bother with focussing the thing.
Cover star query:
what light is that, and how has he attached it in the presence of a dual-pivot brake?
[can't see a dynamo]
I've been using an Ixon IQ on mine (big 4xAA light), but not for long enough to get any longevity feel. It is sold by B&M for use with their Ixon battery lights (towards the bottom of this page (http://www.bumm.de/docu/zubehoer6-e.htm)), so I hope they've got it right. For scale, the wire used is 5mm diameter.
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members? My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
Well done for spreading the word. There's a PM on its way telling you how to add them. Everything is possible
The Schmidt EDelux is also supplied with the same bracket. It's much better than the standard brackets B&M used to offer made from folded cheese.
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
"...password protected area..." It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available. I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
"...password protected area..." It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available. I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
Oh, if we are talking about 100 years old issues, that's fine.
The advantage of a printed version is that you can read it in the bath.
Edition 111 has just arrived.Should we stand on 1 leg?
Edition 111 has just arrived.Should we stand on 1 leg?
just realised I got a Randonneur 500 in my first season !
I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass andColin Bezant'sTOBY's account of the Cambrian Series 8A.
Er, anyone else missing the back cover with Abraham Cohen riding- Mad Jack Grimpeur ???
Looks as if the last page on my copy ends un numbered on the Calendar (could be 68).
Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
I don't know whether it is my imagination but has the format of Arrivee experienced a subtle change in formatting. I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass and Colin Bezant's account of the Cambrian Series 8A. Anyway, I thought that the greater incorporation of good quality photographs juxtaposed against the coloured paper was far more pleasing to the eye than the conventional use of voluminous text on white paper.
...or do small things please small minds like mine :)
I suspect that was a AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Mrs BlackSheep's a bit :( (disapointed her Ultra Randonneur got missed).
I searched in vain for my name under Brevet 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 only to realise that "claims must be made to the recorder*", which I failed to do. I've only recently started to tot up my past rides and realise it is my fault as I should have read the instructions, but given all the relevant rides are on the database, could not these multi-year awards be calculated automatically? Presumably when a submission is made to the recorder, they have to be validated against the database anyway.
* I've no idea who The Recorder is, but I have an image of a St Peter like bearded fellow with a long ostrich quill who totals up each Auk's sins and good deeds in two columns of a large dusty ledger.
It's very automatic - I'm listed for a randonneur 500
The Brevet awards can span multiple seasons and must be claimed. Not all of them are that easy to automate.This. They only list the single season version in the handbook anyway - I have a lovely purple brevet 4000 badge waiting for younger guy to grow out of the purple* fleece I want to sew it on.
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were. And I've had my name in print thousands of times. But Arrivee, somehow, is special. Congratulations to all who put it together. It's a cracking product.
My name made in the 'new randonneurs' list after my first 200k last season :D Made me feel special.If you never turn a pedal again you're still a randonneur for the rest of your life. Neither genocide nor gross moral turpitude are enough for you to be de-randonneured.
I'm on the front cover :) :)
I'm on the front cover :) :)
Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
I suspect that was a AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
What about-Lost control and crashed into a tree!
That's gonna leave a bruise in the morning!! :'(
If you read about Gerald Woodley on page 11 of Arrivée, you will see how unfunny that is.
Recorder is Nevill Holgate (check inside cover of handbook). email worked fine for me and then I just sent the cheque for agreed £££.
ROFL at John Spooner's deadpan description of transit of Place de l'Etoile, at Rush Hour, with a Flemish routesheet.
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.
I probably should keep quite otherwise my plans for next year's cheap ego boost are blown BUT has anyone noticed that it requires a meagre two points to be listed in the 'Fixed Wheel Challenge' section? I need urgently a FWC brevet card because last year I did 6 points undocumented on a fixed gear and hence now I am missing out on a vital ego boost ;).
I'm still gobsmacked at Denise Noha's LEL ride report. What a superstar.
Redhill and Reigate. It's like Morlocks and Eloi.
I'm pretty sure Andy S- inc Mad Jack didn't mean anything by his post as no cyclist would if they knew what had happened & my post was made in the heat of the moment.OK, I Have removed my original quote, sorry if it caused any upset etc, I had not read further into the magazine and did not know about GW's off, Yes I too hope he make a full recovery.
Edit: Can we leave it at that please.
Thanks!
I enjoyed reading the article about being unemployed and touring scotland in 1931+1 :thumbsup:
And I am just filing out my survey.
Lots of familiar names and faces.
Can it be done on line?
Can it be done on line?
Yes. Full details to follow as soon as I pull my finger out.
When was the last/latest mag sent out ? it's been ages since i've had a copy of Arrivee.Start of Feb
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
fantastic photo of Jamie and his write up
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
And I am just filing out my survey.
Lots of familiar names and faces.
Ah yes, the survey. Need to do something about that...
My article is the Wee Jaunt Round Scotland DIY 1300.
Anyone else thinks Paul D looks like a monkey in that photo?
;D
Did any organisers get anything about my offer to help with GPX files? (Offer: GPX tracks of routesheets (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45297.0))
I think it was being added to the organisers' flyer that is sent to organisers along with Arrivee, I don't think it was going in the main magazine.
P.S. This may change if the info is only just making it out to organisers now (other than the email to the Regional Events Secs) but uptake of my offer so far: 0
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
It was a laff.
I believe you were the man/group who pipped us for a mention in the handbook, with your 1400 End to End. :-*
Haven't got mine yet so can't comment but surely it reflects the quality of contributions, many of which are from this parish...
A noted continental randonneur once expressed bemusement at the learned journal style of Arrivée. Their national mags were club newsletters. I think we should go for more pieces with footnotes and a bibliography. We might also style it as 'The Journal of Abnormal Cycling', and institute a formal peer-review system.
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!IMHO it is easily as good as the "professional" magazines - which TBH I never ever buy or look at because they are full of advice as to what bike to buy (I've got one, thanks) or which waterproof is better than another one made of the same stuff. Arrivee is the one mag I read cover to cover and then put on the shelf to keep and go back to. The only other mag I get is the Radio Times and if I had to pick one it'd be Arrivee.
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.
There isn't a "Populaires" section this quarter, so its of little interest to the three thousand or more members who only ride 'Daytime' pops ( and the occasional 200 ).
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When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
AUK is the Long Distance Cycliss Asociation. Surely it's membership is interested in long distance cycling, even if they can't or don't want to ride the longer events themselves for whatever reason?
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The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future. If not for PBP then maybe LEL2013 or just to ride a bit further next year !
Well, I think it is an extraordinary magazine for a low budget organisation run by volunteers and it is produced 4 times a year!
Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.
two comments that put a clear perspective on the magazine's contributions to long distance riding
I'm being 'Devil's advocate' here because this large demograph of AUK membership don't know about this web forum
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them. It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.Totally agree!
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future.
Exactly right. Arrive is the only magazine which I always read from cover to cover. It's not only because the articles match my interests in cycling, it's also because it draws from a very knowledgeable pool of writers who are writing because they have something to say (be it amusing, enthralling, descriptive, informative, etc) rather than because they have to write 5 reviews a week and the next piece just perms the words they used for the last piece substituting appropriately for the new bit of gear being reviewed this time.
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there,
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
If the majority of the membership show themselves to be 'dayride' entrants, AUK must bend with the wind and cater more for them.
Who's cycling to the start for PBP then ? and back again. I see Mr Steve Abraham is looking for some cycling nut jobs to take on his mad venture.
Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
PPS. I also assume that there is no policy against short brief articles.
More photographs have certainly helped break things up.
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Yes, do! A short report from a 9-year old, full of "...and at the top we stopped and Mum got some more cake out...", would be just fantastic ;D
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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Some of the articles are rather long and can be a somewhat hard / repetitive read. I fear this is a consequence of narrative reports of long distance cycling.
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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AUK have set themselves up to be the No. 1 Ultracycling club in this Nation.Well the situation in the Middle East is a bit worrying, maybe they could lend a hand there.
What do they do next?
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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Ah but despite having no intention of riding PBP, as a cyclist I find the articles about preparing for it and riding it very interesting...
Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.
A few (late) thoughts, written from the position of someone who has edited a magazine professionally in the past.Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Arrivee has improved considerably over the last 12 years or so. When I first joined AUK it resembled a school magazine, with typed copy and line illustrations and full of in-jokes. There was little advertising, if any. It reflected poorly on the organisation. Now it looks like a proper magazine, generally well laid-out and printed, an ever-improving set of photos and a respectable amount of advertising. Improvements in design and printing technology have helped, but can't distract from the fact that the content has also improved.
On the content, as FF says below, so far as I can see the editors tend not to sub-edit the articles that are submitted. That's not surprising, given that they are reliant on the generosity of contributors who are willing to spend time writing for free, but it can result in pieces that are over-long, poorly written or just downright tedious. Certainly, I don't think any of the pieces I have written have been changed, but I would not have objected had they been. If people are precious about their copy they can ask for amends to checked with them, provided that they commit to responding quickly.
A second consideration is that some contributors appear not to have read the very useful guidelines in the handbook and on the web site about writing for Arrivee. I confess that I hadn't the first time I submitted a piece and it would have been a better piece had I done so. That might result in fewer accounts along the "we stopped at the first control to get our cards stamped and had a cup of tea and two slices of cake" variety. (I recall Mrs Miles had something to say about this a couple of years ago but I can't find the item.) I like a piece that will either entice me to try a ride (and include some useful information) or tells of a particularly unusual or interesting series of events - as in the 50% mechanical thread on this board, for example.
On whether we need more articles about BPs rather than permanents, I suspect the reality might be that people who have time to ride lots of perms may also have more time on their hands to write articles. I don't think distance is an issue except to the extent that the slightly macho attitude that one occasionally encounters may put off people who have interesting things to say but feel that their achievements may not be considered worthy of an article. As has been said below, an informative or entertaining piece is still an informative or entertaining piece regardless of the distance being written about, so I'd encourage people to write about 100s as much as about 1200s. Hell, I could do 500 words on my 12km commute some days!
Which leads me to my suggestions. First, to the editors, please feel empowered to edit pieces. Second, add word counts to the guidance and encourage contributors to think in terms of 600 words, 1,000 words, etc. That makes production easier too. Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.
Overall, I think we should be proud of the mag, considering what a small club we are numerically, and the editors do a great job for little or no thanks (as well as some bitching). I think it's worth the annual membership fee alone. All we need now, to achieve its full glory, is for it to be the guest publication on Have I Got News For You.
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
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And may well encourage other littluns to give it a go - this could do amazing things for the average age calculation for rides!
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride. I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open. I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read. I'm inspired to ride the same route - just not to the same schedule.
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride. I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open. I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read. I'm inspired to ride the same route
Thanks Ian, much appreciated.
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I enjoyed your Article and will probably enter the Wesley May Grimpeur in September.
If you had'nt written the article I wouldn't have known the route, which includes the loop to Cwmllynfell that I did as a 15 year old on my 5 speed Raleigh Arena :)
I didn't think RLight was being personal.
BTW the Bynea rides are easy to get to be rail, but avoid the last train to Swansea on your way home -
or cycle back for the ECE
The perfect Arrivee (or even year of Arrivees) would contain a balanced variety of Ride Reports.
All that detail about card-stamping, tea and cake works really well in a "My First Audax" sort of article. But we don't need reports like that every issue.
Equally, if every report featured 1000s of km ridden with a broken shifter etc, I'd get bored of that sort of thing too (and it would give a skewed picture of our members' riding).
(Perhaps this is something "editors" could help with, in Perfect Arrivée Nirvana.)
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
The route appeals - and the fact that your read about it in #62 and have now done it... congrats. But doing it as an audax would be...um... well, let me put it this way; I'm sure you got all the controls and all the evidence of having done it within the time limit, it's just that comparing the Lowestoft photo with the Ardnamurchan photo you look 10 years older. Tell me, are audaxes that bad for you? :P
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
This is open question and a thought, if Arrivee included shorter articles, would more people be prepared to include articles?
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
It's dark for longer in the summer. My experience of Northern English Oiks suggests they were oikier than thei southern bretheren.
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
Sorry, The organiser of 'Rutland and Beyond' drove around the route taking a camera full of photos to include in his report on the ride.Turn to page 10 +11 ::-)
In this edition ( 112 ), a lot of pages are filled with 'Preparing for PBP'.
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
The magazine is for showing nice colourful photos and printing ride reports, so we can show our mates at work and home what a wonderful time we had.
When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it inYes you most definitely should. It might need a bit of adult top-and-tailing, but yes you should. And I should get around to writing my "how not to ride a perm" article that I have been a year in thinking about.......
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
I'm not really sure about Didcot, tbh.But Paul - who is?
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
No Redlight I should apologise for getting rattled by someone's quite reasonable comments. I don't think it helped signing onto the site and reading your comment after just arriving home, having ridden through one thunderstorm (hence a drenching ) whilst avoiding a previous one by, diving into a teashop.
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I'm sorry that you seem to have taken personal offence at what I hope were constructive comments. They certainly weren't intended to refer to a particular article or author. My reference to controls and cake was a, perhaps ill-considered, attempt to parody a narrative style that fails to differentiate between information that augments or illuminates and that which merely clutters.
For what it's worth I thought your piece in the latest issue offered exactly the right balance between the personal experience and the useful information for other members. The references to the catering at each end were relevant as they underscored how well supported riders are and also, bearing in mind what a tough ride it was, would have reminded any reader of that sense of relief when they arrive at the finish and find that the fast riders haven't scoffed all the food! I also particularly liked this part paragraph which, for me, sum up the Audax experience:
"...you can see the rest of the entire climb as it wiggles its way up and bears right in a giant horseshoe....the advantage being you can see how far ahead the rest of the riders are and hence you get a bit of a confidence boost. The disadvantage, as in this particular case, was looking ahead to see no one in sight."
So please don't stop writing for Arrivee simply because of my clumsily-worded comments.
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
As someone whose cycling is now largely confined to the North of England, I'd be interested to know where you went as lately my sexual activities have been restricted too. A bit of sexual harrassment might rekindle a flame!
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
Also - bit puzzled by the reprinting of Sheila's advice about PBP start times etc - is this because some members won't have received the 2011 handbook?
(arrived this morning - was I last?)
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
(arrived this morning - was I last?)
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
I'll let you know if I ever get a copy.
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
no no don't do that :hand:
Allow me to say with respect that there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle.I don't do many tunes but this old fiddle knows one when I hear it
so do I......inspiring ride reports, good photo's and not full of advertising like commercial magazines :thumbsup:.....which seem hell bent on 'how to do your first Sportive' advice at the mo :facepalm:Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them. It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.Totally agree!
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Well said!Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
if you know anyone who does after paying all the upfront costs hall hire food and then taking the helpers out for a meal please let me know; I'd love to pick their brains ;)
not full of advertising like commercial magazines
The continent has received a copy today.
We have also with AAA created a demon
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
I think we all agree this issue is dominated by BPB. Only one person though thinks this is a bad thing.
....a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).
IMHO
Arrivee is a bit of a victim of its own success. It has the look and feel of a professional magazine but it should not be forgotten that it is written by volunteers and ultimately it is a mirror image of the membership
This thread raises a secondary question namely is the membership committed to AUK’s original aims or just attracted by a cheap membership fee and a desire to feel part of a scene,
FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.
Just in case you missed that:
FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.
This thread is a bit boring for me because AUK was not formed in the 1970s to promote 50k rides but as has been said to allow riders to ride PBP without going abroad to qualify. Thus given this is the fundamental reason as to how AUK came to exist in the first place it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
Clearly in 2011 there are in social terms "bigger fish to fry". It would seem a shame if Crinkly Lion cannot attempt to enthuse her brood with the ethos of *Long Distance Cycling* by taking them on a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).
Perhaps this is no longer black and white.
What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*. We have created a culture where many believe 50k is actually “Long Distance Cycling” but it is nothing of the sort.
We have also with AAA created a demon within our midst where the comp is one not won by the rider that does the Bryan Chapman and similar but by someone who does the same 50k Perm again and again. What the hell it’s a broad church do I care?
Personally I would like us to be more focussed on promoting a core programme of events at 400 & 600km. This is where the weakness lies and in a world where garages won’t let you inside in the night there is a need to return to the basic stuff of church halls and TLC.
This is for me the real area where we need to tempt riders to step into.
AC
As a relative newcomer to AUK I have little knowledge of it's event history so I ask....
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
If so, then why not (assumming Organisers are able & willing) maintain this quantity of 400 & 600 rides along with the same quantity of shorter rides to allow novice long distance riders progress from 100km to whichever of the longer/longest rides they choose to ride.
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*.
(advertisers are skilled at providing copy very late, and in a subtly incompatible format).
Partly because the magazine production costs are, AIUI, well under control and don't need much subsidy.
I don't think AUK commisions any events
should we commission articles for Arrivée?
I could be wrong (and if I'm sure Mr Undulates and his team will put me right) but I don't think AUK commisions any events, they just put on whatever an Organiser happens to be prepared to run.
I don't think AUK commisions any events
Is LEL not "commissioned" by AUK? (I'm not trying to be clever - genuine question.)
d.
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The important thing to me is that the focus and emphasis of the organisation remains on the longer events. The Olympic motto is "Stronger, faster, further". AUK's should just be "Further..."
That's not to say the shorter events, and the award structures around them aren't important. But they're a means to an end, of encouraging riders to the longer distances, rather than an end in themselves.
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And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.
That's about right, isn't it? ;)
My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days. It is validated by Audax UK.
My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days. It is validated by Audax UK.
my grand daughter wants to do E2E & 21 days would suit her well methinks.Doing it as an audx ride would add "something" extra to the ride.
Where can I find more info?
TIA
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
There are a growing number of "London to <foreign capital> in 24 hours" which are all about 300km. Audax type distances and similar timescales/pacing.
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC
They may be few but they are there!
That's not relevant here - the point I was making is that people are motivated to enter/ride 1200/1400km despite never riding a 100k audax.
Aren't PBP qualifiers more to do with making sure that people can actually do the distance rather than ending up with a huge DNF list?
Tell me I'd have to do a 200km to be a part of your funny rolled up trouser leg organisation and I'd have ridden it to get away from all you freaks.
Barely anyone on here talks about 100kms, so I didn't consider them.
Exactly where are the SR riders supposed to start if not on a 100k?
Arrivee would surely have a key part to play. It would be good (in a fly on the wall way) to follow in print a small group of riders from the start of the season in the depths of winter via the 200, 300 & 400 through the year to the end of the 600. I guess some would win through and some would fail that would make it interesting. However to bring balance I'm sure if they wanted to ride a few 100k rides along the way that could be accomodated. ;)
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)I thought bodach, piloting the tandem, and scoosh, in red, both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad. ;)
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)I thought bodach, piloting the tandem, and scoosh, in red, both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad. ;)
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Very good, IMO, to see a trend towards more cyclists per picture, at least on the covers - 8 in the last 3 issues - much more attractive than the old single looming portrait style.
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)
Good article published about The Elenith but let us hope that Michael Conway was fundamentally wrong about one thing, that it was 'The Last Elenith'.
Either way, it was a fitting tribute to the event.
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)
...The Beast on the train...
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)
Perhaps we could refer to them both as MandyH?
Isn't the guy on the back cover called Scott Slater? Many apologies to Pavel if I'm wrong.
Lots of cracking articles in this arrivee I thought, not sure which is my favourite.
Like the pix from the nat'l 24. Constructing a one-year training plan for a 24h TT, trying to execute the plan, doing the event, and then trying to tweak the training plan according to the outcome seems like an interesting project and never-ending goal. But it says the top guys can't stand up unsupported getting to the podium. Seems quite, uhm, extreme... Is it like that for mid-pack finishers too?
Been Audaxing for 6 years or so and nary a microdot** in Arrivee but I hit the jackpot this issue with the front page and seen with George. Doesn't he make me look good, handsome and so young. Bring your copies to my next event and I will autograph the first hundred free of charge.** except for last year's Snow Roads pics ... :thumbsup:
Non arrive :( are they all sent togetherMine hasn't come yet and from reading this thread previously they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!
... they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!There's always one awkward one determined to arrive at the last possible second.
Having watched Damon Peacock's wonderful videos of audax events, am I the only person who reads his Arrivee articles with a laid back, comforting Northern accent in my head?
Still no Arrivee. No response from MemSec either. Grrr! Starting to get angry. You wont like me when I am angry.
No response from MemSec either.
Mine hasn't arrived either, yet still the world turns ...
Anyone else still waiting for Arrivee?
No response from MemSec either.
No he's hopeless! It's not unknown for him to be away from his computer for weeks at a time, particularly when the weather's OK for cycling. The tight so-and-so won't even splash out on one of those bilberry things so he can check his emails on a 24/7 basis. The cheek of it is that next thing he'll be asking for someone to propose and second him to remain as MemSec, can you believe it. I'm sure Secretary Richard Phipps is not holding his breath.
But he's back now, wading through a pile of returned magazines (or "Pas D'Arrivees" as I believe they could be referred) so there's a chance he'll be in touch.
Maybe by deeming a piece of writing as a spoof academic essay we can remain safely out of touch with what it actually, however clumsily, attempts to address; Pain? Being? Topography? Landscape? Endurance? Flow? Any thoughts?
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
This is getting tedious. :hand: MemSec, I blame you ... ;)
This is getting tedious. :hand: MemSec, I blame you ... ;)
"Tits Out & Gasping"
"Tits Out & Gasping"
Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
* Very nice cover pic, so much better than the 'looming hero' style.Ditto all that.
* I like Damon's article, witty and just about the right length for my attention span these days.
* And Paul's bus shelter photo is just priceless.
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
google insisted that I meant "Tits Out" ... :o O:-)
Not yet here in Larnden.HA8 trumps HA5 then. I have mine...
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Yes, me, 2443.
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak?In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK. But not even possible to see who's in the photo. No idea who they are at all. :P
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak?In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK. But not even possible to see who's in the photo. No idea who they are at all. :P
Excellent photos (or is that just 'cos I'm in there?).
On the subject of lookalikes, has anyone ever seen Arabella and Emma Pooley in the same room? Eh?Flattered ;D. She is younger, faster and fitter than I am. Though I don't think we've ever been in the same room. Nor are we related so far as I know.
Do we think they might, perchance, be related?
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that? :thumbsup:
Worth the membership fee in itself, IMO.
Strange absence of any recumbents I notice...
"Tits Out & Gasping"
Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
Strange absence of any recumbents
And PBP with some PBP and something about Paris.
Good artice on a Drum Brake Hub Though???
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that? :thumbsup:
You & me both Andrew! It surely don't get bigger than this - 15ns of fame - enjoy it!
+1 but didn't realise my membership number clicks to the next letter now Gxxxx .... strange system.
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
you can have mine; I'll put it in the post
On a separate note, the renewal form has my date of birth wrong but upon going to correct it on the AudaxUK website the details there are right.
My June birthday has also become January. The year is correct.
I suspect some computer glitch has defaulted everyone to January.
(@Ashaman - members have to be reminded of their password somehow - this is the most straightforward way of doing it. It used to be printed, in plain view, on every address label - but that is no longer done.)
- but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!
- but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!
Odd, I know ...
The birthday glitch didn't affect me because I actually was born in January :smug:Oh yuz it does [said another Jan'rite] :)
"The calendar pages are stuck together”
;D
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?
Superb. Just had a text to say my article is in it! If you can't get a ride photo in just write an article with a photo of a smug grin :D
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?
No, the new Arrivee and handbook are in the same envelope (well mine is anyway, it arrived this morning)
As a bonus there is not one, but two articles by our very own Deano.
Quelle suprise.Phew that was close! Which page, I need to prepare? ;)
there's a pic of me in it :o
page 20I think that's the first picture I've seen of you on a bike!
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
+2. It's uphill all the way from here.
Welcome to all the new Super Randonneurs - all 120 of them.
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
+2. It's uphill all the way from here.
+3 and I'm also on the new super randonneur list :D
I see you & Simon also got a mention in the Hall of Fame in the handbook :thumbsup:
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.Yes, quite amazing, took me a few minutes to realise it was real, not a hallucination.
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
Just read mine. Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal.
G.
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
Just read mine. Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal.
G.
I note your name was spelt incorrectly...
I don't know why, but my Arrivee hasn't arrivee'd.
Yeh! ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise ;D x lots.
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.I saw this guy too. I mentioned him to my brother who is also a hand cyclist. Shame he didn't finish - hell of a ride though - 800km using your arms.
Yeh! ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise ;D x lots.
That's terrible. You won something, and nobody told you? Not even an email?
Surely AUK can do better than that? I mean - it's not like the club is strapped for cash... :-\
My club states you should claim for awards (of the various sorts), which I think is a better system. The vast majority of riders in a position to win an award will be in a good position to know about it. If you're not sure (cos you don't know exactly what other riders have done), you claim anyway.
I get a most entertaining version of our address on the label.
I blame Microsoft.
I've now taken the "roof" off your "house". If I can think of a fix, I'll put it back
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee. Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur. I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it. Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?
Mike
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee. Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur. I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it. Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?
Mike
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Adam got his photo in again, looking as cheerful on the bike as usual :)
Page 10,middle pic extreme left.
yacf shirt
is that ChrisS & boab on the tandem?
Do we all agree that GPS is cheating? I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.
I think Mike W handled very well.
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.
But if it makes you feel any better, my chips were amply pissed on by a female TT marshall last year. (and yes, she was a lot faster than me - but why shouldn't she be? So is Nicole Cooke.)
[And I agree, Mikew's reply was top notch :thumbsup: ]
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...
Arrivée does smell quite nice this quarter. Has it been printed on special high quality glossy paper?
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...
I've never known anything like this happen (maybe I'm too new to it and too young....ish...), but I would not hesitate to dish out a firm STFU to anyone being such a twat. Is it just 'men of a certain age'?
AUK - where we sniff our own magazines :P
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!
Roneo, Roneo, wherefore art thou, Roneo?
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...
Oohhhh, boot polish.
I'm off to smell stuff.
IMO it does need to be discussed. It's really important to encourage newbies; they are our seedcorn.
It's important to nurture people's self-awareness so they don't come across like the person who deterred that non-AUK.
I might have been guilty in the past, like many of us. I hope I'm not in future.
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...
Oohhhh, boot polish.
I'm off to smell stuff.
Tarmac. They're resurfacing the road outside the office. I keep going outside for a sniff.
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotumOur glorious moderator, perchance?
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?
He is certainly mine. It reminded me of the true meaning of Club Spirit and the euphoria of finishing is something I will never forget. A few years ago I finished a John Ward 1000km by attaching 2 weary solos (Chris Crossland + Stefan E?) across the New Forest behind my Trike. I forced the pace and we finished with 15mins to spare.
For the record (cos if 1 person has misunderstood me, maybe 200 will):I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.
Er, so why start a discussion on it? :facepalm: If I didn't know you better Matt, I'd call that trolling!
Which brings me to my next point: I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter. (And if so, it reinforces that women get pretty much the same treatment as men in our club - a few gentle jokes help the miles go by.)
... the fact that it happened more than once suggests everything might not be so innocent.Does it? Why? Maybe she just made the same conclusion when hearing the same comment. GPS is a pretty common topic for conversation on a flippin Audax, so it's not surprising it came up more than once.
You are right about "banter that might be misinterpreted", but there must be some limits. Perhaps I should stick to the weather - or just not speak to people, thus fuelling the bonkers "never make eye contact" stereotype.
...It's a shame the young lady doesn't come on this forum ...
I kind of get the impression that the Arrivee team would like original submissions rather than just recycled internet content, is this the case? If it's not - then perhaps a thread here called "Arrivee Contributions" could be used - authors need only add a link to their online content and the Arrivee team could come and pick over the list whenever they need material.
I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter
I think that's probably right. The thing about banter is that you can often unwittingly catch someone in a bad moment.
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting
Oh dear, I don't remember reading that in the handbook so I went out to practice.
How do you repair a nailhole and remove blood from a Brooks Swift? :(
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted. Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.
Hence thegrimpeaceful silence that I and many others prefer to maintain, whilst cycling.
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying."most" is the key there.
I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull. Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
But that doesn't mean she correctly interpreted the comments.
I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
My face it palms.Always a winning argument!
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting and did the whole distance fuelled only by water and my own sense of martyrdom... kind of attitude. It irks me.
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull. Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
The ‘world would be a duller place’ comment was in response to the proposition that if a comment has to be made then ensure it ‘leaves no room for misinterpreting’. Therefore, the logical interpretation of the response is that comments that leave no room for misinterpretation are dull.No, it quite clearly isn't.
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted. Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.
Exactly that.
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying.
I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
On the other hand, we're all usually quite tired at the end of a long ride, so the potential both for misinterpreting and for being misinterpreted is quite high.
I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
"a special dislike for people who swoop past nose in air
I found the article on the round the world people fascinating, wanted more details. The lack of experience of some of the riders was appalling; the one on a minimal-spoked road bike, no proper luggage; what were the organisers thinking of, letting this child out? When queried about his high gears, his response was that he wasn't going up any hills - then went through the Pyrenees.
BTW, Mike Hall is in the USA atm, pass 21k and still going strong.
You forgot "Audaxing on a tandem is cheating". ;)How could I forget that one :facepalm:
Surely not. That'd be cheating :PI think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
I foat u waz taking yer bed with you theze daze? ;D
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position?
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position?
I think they will be the recumbent riders, poor things always have to go about with their noses in the air.
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
I hate the B-word, which IME is usually used to excuse gratuitous offensiveness in the name of attempted "humour" that nearly always misses the mark.Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.
Gentle ribbing is fine, but it needs to be judged carefully and is best avoided if you don't know the person you're speaking to very well.
Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.
[ No, I'm not going to let this lie! ]
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway. I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon
On the subject of distance, 25% of the rides I organise are 50km. Perhaps I should run them with a stock apology for time wasting.... ::-)
*Except possibly fboab.Hey, I think you're sub-human if you
"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
That would be this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS)
... or perhaps this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx)
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway. I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
An attempt at (relative) positivity:
The internet abounds with tales of sportifs pissing off the public; with litter, wrong-side-of-road riding, clogging up popular roads, RLJing, peeing in full view of female sheep etc etc ...
(There's a recent thread on Tri-talk if you want to get upto date.)
"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
everyone who came in was in good spirits and, in the odd case, even quite chirpy.
......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Thanks iddu and eeymsmo for the advice, but I'm still stumped. I have a vague recollection that there's a size limit for any image to appear in the thread itself, so I've recopied it down to 93KB and reposted it to Flickr.......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Ok, I've tried Flickr instead - the image is at http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC) which seems to work OK
But if I put it between tags to get the image embedded in this thread, I just get this: (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC)
Ian, did anybody ever tell you that talking about yourself in the third person is the second sign of madness?
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
Does anyone on here really think that long-distance cycling (or indeed an internat forum) predominantly attracts the socially ept with a gift for empathy? I think one needs to bear in mind that the person with whom one interacts on a ride may well need help with interactions, and one may oneself be similarly challenged, all unawares.
Right! I'm off now to learn another few pages of the phone book.
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
Picking up on Tim's plaintive cry for articles I'vebashed outlovingly crafted an epic write-up of Sundays Old Roads 300k *and* nicked some quality pics from my mate Dave.
However, looking around on the inside page for submission info it was a bit depressing to find the instruction 'go look in the Handbook' rather than anything more user-friendly. :facepalm:
I too am thinking ofHow about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.putting pen to paperfinger tips to keyboard. I'm wondering if this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article. The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
I too am thinking ofHow about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.putting pen to paperfinger tips to keyboard. I'm wondering if this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article. The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
Jo's 'alternative' annotated map of the MC1k was one of the best things in Arrivee for years, but you don't need to do anything that sophisticated!
(Obviously you need to check copyright issues)
My ride report delivered through the medium of cartography:
(http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.jpg)
You'll need to view the PDF version (http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.pdf) to read the text.
That's a good idea. I keep the GPS tracks of all my rides. I wonder what's the best way of translating them into a publishable format? And, what do I do about copyright issues?
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input)
Huge range of options available here, before you 'draw a map' - many are hidden at first.
See 'Track Options' (you can colorize by speed, altitude or gradient, among others)
and also 'show advanced options' (to fine-tune the colours). It gets quite elaborate!
*Except possibly fboab.Hey, I think you're sub-human if you
- ride sub 200k events
- ride a tandem
- ride a recumbent
- have white frame, bar tape or saddle
- ride faster than me
- ride slower than me
- have a beard, brooks, or carradice
- wear a helmet, or hi-vis
- are male
- are female
- are thinner than me
- are fatter than me
I'm pretty indiscriminate in my discrimination.
I see Roly Cockwell has metamorphosed into Andy Allsopp on the inside cover. I know this to be true because I took that photo with Roly's camera, at Coxwold :D.
I've had photos published at up to full page with my meagre 3 megapixel camera. Its as much the quality of lens that matters as the resolution of the image.
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed, where is it?
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed, where is it?
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed...
Hooray! Arrivée est arrivé!
That's work finished for the day then.
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?
Is that a gauntlet I see before me?
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?
Two of my photos from the 'Avalon Sunrise' have been included ;D
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.
You drew on the form ;D
There should have been another sheet, under the address sheet.
The fly sheet was BLANK - just a name and adress on one side and clear open space on the other
Hi Tony I thank you for clarifying. There was nothing else, oh well,
Have you shaken the magazine?
Blacksheep: Send me your email and I'll send you a PDF of the AGM booking form.
Tim W
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.
[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
Only one yacf jersey spotted this time. Poor show. But loads of forumites, of course, including two authors of articles.
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.
[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
Hmmm. Victoria Hufton-Left, you think?
Ah. Yes. Good one.
I take it that since 'finishing teams' are listed for the easter arrow, that means we have been 'awarded' an arrow?
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Cheers! ;D
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.One of the best written and most amusing articles for a long time. Chapeau! Of course I haven't read the rest yet :-)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
I presume Tim has passed all the Snow roads stuff on to the editor for the next issue. Must also pass on the Mille Alba pics.
I sort of thought I had had enough Audax - or at least that my priorities are so different for next year in other bits of life that I wouldn't get to do any Audaxing.... but then I opened the mag... and turned to the back pages... and started to ponder my first SR. So this is how it happens, the slippery slope down towards something serious... bah!
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
Must say, a rather excellent article about AAA rides :).
Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
:-)
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
Got mine today as well as my membership renewal form but perhaps someone out there knows something I don't as, although I am a life member, I see that my membership runs out at the end of this year
Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.
SteveP (Sqn Ldr (RAF) (Ret'd))
Congrats also to Lou (Mrs Blacksheep) on a new AAA record.Non-Cal has been situation for 2012 and 2013. Sean Graff still 'owns' the Title on behalf of Cheltenham CTC. You could join Mrs BS on a Corker Perm on 16 March; but then I would rather you supported the main event from Andoversford, The Cheltenham New Flyer 200, which I route-checked for new finish last week.
Isnt it a shame though that the Cotswold Corker is now only available as a perm and not a full calendar ride.
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
:-)
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
I think you have just coined a new nickname! :)
He likes swimming and running ...
I'm enjoying reading Colin Bezant's account of the Mille Alba. It sounds like he is resident here. What's his forum name?
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
+1
go Billy go :thumbsup:
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
+1
go Billy go :thumbsup:
+1. You soon learn who your friends are. Also, a decent selection of routes and friendly Organiser. Own Goal advantage?? Just depends who elso is in the Race!
Good luck Billy :), I'll drop off soon, or so I've promised BlackSheep, but difficult to jump off the circle.
Buy a bigger jersey :thumbsup:
...........Let me know if you want some photos for it (although a fair selection have made it onto page 40 of this latest edition!)
That Witham ride sure was memorable - I'm writing it up for Arrive and have retitled it the Witham Wader....
That reminds me of a quote from my son when he was 10 he now's nearly 30!!!!
It went something like this 'if you go up hill and down by the same amount surely your cycling on the flat'!!!!!!
20 years later he has learnt about cycling hills with Mother.
The same son also mentioned around the same time that riding the tandem was only half the miles.
Yes slapping was legal then :).
Mrs BlackSheep
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
GrahamG
Yes I have 2 sons one almost 30 the other also 29 & a daughter very nearly 27.
It's all those head winds I cycle into and free mud-packs from hanging onto wheels.
Now sure it will catch on with the general population of normal ladies or a certain age.
But if Louby-Lou facials do, I'm set to not only make my fortune but enjoy work free
years of cycling into the sunset.
Are we onto a marketing ploy for Audax here - Long Distance Cycling makes you look younger.
Where's mine? Have I been banished from the fold? :(
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.
I have mine but I'm afraid haven'e opened it yet. It has joined the pile of things in plastic wrappers that I don't open when I'm like this.
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.
Hey, that's me! lindagordinho has PMd me so yes, I'm on it.
The Royal Mail runs a lottery where the winners actually receive their copy of Arrivee within a day or so. My own only arrived after a week's delay (which was making me worry that there were another 5000 copies sitting in a sorting office somewhere inadequately addressed because of a cock up I'd done - which wasn't the case I should add)
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?
Not received mine yet.
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
This page is upto date:The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
I'm glad you asked. They went in the post today so watch out for it in the next day or two. You will also get the 2013 Handbook with it, so you'll be able to count how many times your name appears (or is it only me that does that?)
Anyone seen it yet? I know, so impatient.
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included :thumbsup:
shame mine have been stripped :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included :thumbsup:
shame mine have been stripped :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
Yes, it fails to recognise the >5 folk
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?
Nice to see RRTY ... shame mine have been stripped
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
shame mine have been stripped was it for testing positive for lager at the finish? Logged
Because of a Harvey's too many Martin!
Roll on Saturday, expect to see you if I can keep up on the hills with you!
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
A trophy would be nice mind you. I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges. ;D 8)
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
A trophy would be nice mind you. I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges. ;D 8)
Mark picked up an Award/Trophy - on behalf of Black Sheep CC - 2012 Organising Club, though, unless Mark can confirm the membership has increased, is probably the same team that won the 2009 Organiser Award. Confusing?I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
I was surprised to say the least. I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it!
And I'd like to say, for what it's worth, that the strategic plan seems quite well thought out, and the stats were illuminating. Many thanks to all for another excellent Arrivee.
I was surprised to say the least. I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it!I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?Have a look at Arrivee page 54, not that there's anyone called notlobgp14 listed
Still not got mine
Well it's posted 2nd class so there's always going to be a spread.
Thanks - have checked my details, and membership until 2017 has gone through & address details are correct.If it's any consolation, our copy is travelling full-value as well.
Maybe they've stopped to water the horses at Tiverton :)
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, I'm listed once...
I can't find the lists of people who've been listed most times. Nor the lists of people who've been listed most often in those lists. :)If I didn't know you better I might think you were taking the micky.
If I didn't know you better I might think you were taking the micky.
I hate to say it, but this is shambolic.
Just checked out the Arrive'e Winter 2012 but can not seem to find anything on events in Scotland. Do they get a different edition up there? Was realy interested in the 'Snow roads 300km' which was listed on the contents page but could not find anything inside. I think it must be good as it is rumoured a documentry was made about it featuring a legendary rock star.Nope, there's not a separate Audax Écosse edition (yet). It's listed on the contents page, but nothing inside. ???
Thanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Thanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
NoNoNo :hand:
BRIDIES
They're a bit like pasties ;)So top pastie = bridie. like I said
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Nor in Dorset neither :'(
Still no show. And I only live a mile from the big main sorting office in Newton Abbot :-\Be fair. It is Newton Abbot of which we speak.....
Reading this thread, it would also appear to offer a way to have a copy available, so soothing the nerves of those unfortunates for whom the crunch of their postman's footsteps on the gravel to their front door, followed by the light pitter patter of envelopes rather than the satisfying thud of a magazine is the anthem of dashed hopes and dreams.
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Nor in Dorset neither :'(
Related Arrivee question. I know that back issues are available from the website, but are there any plans to allow members to download a PDF version of the current issue, rather than have a paper version sent through snail mail?
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Afraid c'est arrivee in some parts of Hampshire. Got mine a few days ago. 8)
Reading this thread, it would also appear to offer a way to have a copy available, so soothing the nerves of those unfortunates for whom the crunch of their postman's footsteps on the gravel to their front door, followed by the light pitter patter of envelopes rather than the satisfying thud of a magazine is the anthem of dashed hopes and dreams.
;D
(I was going to ask whether the posters with such incredible lack of patience had ever ridden a "long distance" - but I think you've identified the issue more precisely! )
If only it was a lack of patience...but I've recently had a cheque for £270 to a local plumber go 'missing in the post'; a whole bunch of documents that were posted to the NHS Pensions Agency go missing; and someone to whom I sent a cheque for £35 four weeks ago is allegedly still waiting to get it. Trouble is, I don't know if it was the post or the receivers have 'mislaid' the items, but as well as Arrivee I'm waiting for a couple of other things too, so I'm beginning to wonder. One thing is for certain - from now on, I'll be taking the hit cost-wise and posting anything vaguely important by recorded delivery. So you see, it's quite reassuring in a way to know that others haven't yet received Arrivee!
(Got mine in West Wiltshire about 5 days ago.)
Still not arrived. At what point do I conclude that it has been "lost in the post" and request another copy to be sent?
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Still no show in Exeter. ???
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
Would it not be best in the library?
My trophy still hasnt arrived.
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007
My trophy still hasnt arrived.
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
The photos you sometimes see in Arrivee of people being handed trophies are, as photos tend to be, just a captured moment in time. You don't see the moment that follows immediately afterward, where it's snatched back again "we'll keep this safe for you, shall we".
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007After a large number were stolen, probably soon after the above.
Some of the trophies were irreplaceable.
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007After a large number were stolen, probably soon after the above.
Some of the trophies were irreplaceable.
As above, another problem is that trophy holders are then obliged to return them a year later. Given that the AGM/Dinner can move from one end of the country to the other in subsequent years, this might commit the trophy holder to a long journey they might not otherwise want to do, or a lot of postal/insurance hassle. It's also problematic if the trophy is the size of an eagle owl and the weight of a Halfords bike, and the holder wishes to cycle to the meeting.
I'm ever so proud to be a member of an organisation that does stuff like this.I have to say, every time we're reminded of this we're re-appalled.
Don't the winners get a copy, AUK being so allegedly rich an' all?
In my case AUK took that approach to security to another level by deciding not to even notify me, thus avoiding the risk that I'd turn up at their party and touch the trophy at all. Maybe its because Im Scottish they thought Id steal it.
I'm ever so proud to be a member of an organisation that does stuff like this.
A Bridie is what are called pasties south of the border.
[edit] good backlog reading from me on the bridie front then ::-) [/edit]
did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
Winners get a small trophy to take home and keep forever.
Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
I'd have thought a quiet word would be best, surely? People make mistakes.did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
I think we're all far too ready to say "they're all volunteers, we should be grateful".
Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it.
Unfortunately I'd do a crap job at that so wouldn't be suitable. I think we need someone who has tact, can put a positive spin on things and, fairly fundamentally, is able to communicate without swearing. I'm thoroughly ruled out of that one.Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it
or better still, say I could better and let me have a go. It would certainly spice up the AGM. There's still a vacancy for Press Secretary as far as I'm aware
Can I have an update on the postal service in various parts in the UK? I'm on tenterhooks here, and off-topic posts about pet hates aren't helping to distract me. Think of my sleep pattern, for god's sake, I need my mind put at rest.
Can I have an update on the postal service in various parts in the UK? I'm on tenterhooks here, and off-topic posts about pet hates aren't helping to distract me. Think of my sleep pattern, for god's sake, I need my mind put at rest.
Still nothing here - South Wilts
Nothing in Reading :-[
Still a no show here in Hampshire.
Mine's in the recycling bin....
God no! Tho I might start selling them on Ebay for AUK members who have their copies stolen by the Royal Mail.
The (understandable) threads about non-arrival have so far deflected me from saying what a good issue this is. Sheila has done her usual good job. I especially liked the article by Derek Heine, who writes about his recovery from a thug-attack in Wales and the help he got in his rehabilitation; inspiring stuff. There's also a nice article on wild-flowers by Tricia Farnham and a great new permanent in the Lake District from Revellhino. Hope you get yours soon!
Peter
. The article about the "easy way to an SR"
Email it is then....the worrying thing is, what other important post has gone AWOL ???Slightly OT, but I ordered a chainring and sprocket from Triton cycles three weeks ago which they say they posted a couple of days later. It never arrived. To their credit, they sent a replacement order by courier a couple of days ago.
It doesn't say "easy",it says "ideal".
Who has nicked the Snow Roads article which according to the index should appear on page 20?
Email it is then....the worrying thing is, what other important post has gone AWOL ???
Have not received mine yet in Great Bedwyn.
Not here either, unfortunately (SP4, Wilts).
Not here either, unfortunately (SP4, Wilts).
Still waiting in SP2; but interestingly have had 2 letters from Southampton go missing. Our local posties are excellent but bigger sorting offices seem to be failing....
Received my (replacement) copy today thanks!
Still not received in Exeter. I think a new mail shot was going out for all in Devon.
Has this happened yet?
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
And a record number of piccies of Mid-Essex heroes :D
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
I believe that particular Witham Wheelers rider was 2011's "Most Improved Rider". A prestigious trophy given the names which have appeared on it in previous years.
Yes mid Essex well represented in this issue well done OD and Tomsk, great articles. There are distinct benefits to having your photo taken with OD ;D
Mine's arrived too. Looks good!
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
Am more proud of my finely crafted article about the disastrous ride from Hull to London than I ever was of the actual trip. :smug:
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
I don't. I think they both encourage people to ride in conditions that are downright dangerous.
/boring voice of sensibility
What? You've been offered a modelling contract already?
What? You've been offered a modelling contract already?
I'm expecting a flood of calls after the publication of my arse shot on page 22.
Good to see a couple of good Essex based articles. Good work OD and Tomsk!
That photo on the back is great - not sure it is great advertising for those new to audax, but it is quite amazing.I think it demonstrates the wide range of riding we get upto. It would only be unrepresentative if lots of piccies were like that. There are sh1tloads of balancing pictures of riders in 'sensible' conditions, photographers rarely get out - and take a decent photo - in crap weather.
Am more proud of my finely crafted article about the disastrous ride from Hull to London than I ever was of the actual trip. :smug:
That photo on the back is great - not sure it is great advertising for those new to audax, but it is quite amazing.
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
I don't. I think they both encourage people to ride in conditions that are downright dangerous.
/boring voice of sensibility
One of the things I like about Arrive is that there is nobody telling me that I need to spend mega amounts to enjoy my cycling. :thumbsup:ABSOLUTELY !
One of the things I like about Arrive is that there is nobody telling me that I need to spend mega amounts to enjoy my cycling. :thumbsup:ABSOLUTELY !
I look at other mags regularly, but rarely buy them for just that reason. The exception is 'Cycling Weekly'. Though I'm not a 'roadie' the articles at least treat me like a grown up, and as a steel/Carradice man I'm immune to the temptations of carbon fibre bottle holders.
A very entertaining text on your part made me ;D muchly :thumbsup:Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated. I rode back to London again after this year's FNRttC from York to Hull, this ride had no excuse at all for me being out of time. :-(
Am I the only one who's a bit confused by the article on pp10-11? ???
Yes, I've been in touch with the write of the article pointing this out. It somehow seemed appropriate to be giving Roger Bolton some Feedback (something that only Radio 4 listeners will appreciate)
The broken-legged trike article was impressively hardcore.
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Just as long as it's not about foreign stuff or LEL. ;)I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Just as long as it's not about foreign stuff or LEL. ;)I was thinking maybe PBP ;)
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
Thanks to Peter for holding the presses for me on my return from the Pyrenees as well.
Love the back cover photo. With the phone box. It just works nicely.
The centrefold summarising LEL pictorially was also rather interesting. I really must get a graphic based on the calligraphic lines of varying thickness (representing altitude) for my permanent etc events. It's rather an eye catching design.
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
I know a lot of overseas members who are AUK members just for the magazine.
We should publish an Esperanto version.
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Perhaps everyone who doesn't like Arrivee could take their copy to the dentists and leave it there. We might even interest a few dentists on Pinarellos.
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Hard copy could be the default option, I feel guilty about all that effort and postage going to waste on me though.
Just point me at a PDF.
Only skimmed through it so far but I feel it has many more interesting photos than most Arrivees. My own first article was really aimed at other organisers: maybe an "Organiser's Corner".
Love the back cover photo. With the phone box. It just works nicely.
Only skimmed through it so far but I feel it has many more interesting photos than most Arrivees. My own first article was really aimed at other organisers: maybe an "Organiser's Corner".
Or "Org's chasm."
^ there's some great ideas in there
EDIT - in the post 2 up from ,
I know most of the big milemunchers are self-depreciative of their endeavours, but I would love to see interviews/features on the greats for sure.
It would need someone who is a good interviewer to meet up with them and get the best out of them.
Barry Parslow was mentioned in another thread - finding out what it was like to ride PBP in the 60s would be amazing to younger riders like myself (it might be great to see how his memories have changed over the past few decades).
The AUK Hall of Fame is full of great names - some of them won't want to be thrust into the limelight I am sure, but I am sure some of them would love to tell tales about riding in the earlier days of AUK etc.
I'm enjoying working my way through Arrivée - I usually dip into them over a period of weeks. However the first thing I think most readers do is to skim through it looking for a photo of themselves. Once again, no Wobbly :(
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Hard copy could be the default option, I feel guilty about all that effort and postage going to waste on me though.
Just point me at a PDF.
Frankly Frankie I'm led to belief will be at the AGM, so another old timer you can speak to.
I have to repeat what others have said about the LEL report.
An excellent report and a very modest story of some truly audacious organising. I bet not many people have had to put their house on the line to organise an audax!
I know most of the big milemunchers are self-depreciative of their endeavours,You were truly blessed to attend last year's dinner with Barry AND me, last year, weren't you?!
<snip>
Barry Parslow was mentioned in another thread - finding out what it was like to ride PBP in the 60s would be amazing to younger riders like myself (it might be great to see how his memories have changed over the past few decades).
An interview with the legendary mattc would be brilliant.
Frankly Frankie I'm led to belief will be at the AGM, so another old timer you can speak to.
<spl;utter!> Why, you damn whipper-snapper! - I'll ... I'll ... ... I'll ... [sinks wheezing to the floor]
...
Riding for a long time doesn't equate to age Frankly Franke e.g. TG and Postie?
My club elders taught me properly, telling me all the old stories and explaining who my betters were; quite sure your exploits were mentioned in the betters catagory. One of the best AUK stories has to be the one Jim Hopper told myself and JJ one AGM of a Trike Arrow Team in France; the bit where one rider wacks another around the head with a sodden wooly hat (think it was Barry Parslow wielding the hat) was hilarious, particularly Jim's dead pan rendition of the tale - can't get that in print can you!
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
An interview with the legendary mattc would be brilliant.
Especially if accompanied with the mattc's legendarycumwarface photo.
Anyone have it to hand?
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
You started cycling as a toddler? *cough*
(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/anon.jpg)
It would make a great front cover to get you ready for the 10 page exposé on Matt's training secrets and philosophies, tales of his epic duels with Flatus and his deep insights on why anything more than 8 speed is wrong.
Maybe a one page special on Matt's beliefs on lighting setups for long time trials.
It'll be a best seller.
tales of his epic duels with Flatus
tales of his epic duels with Flatus
Can it still be called a duel if mattc was the only person who knew it was taking place?
That guy looks like he's in pain.
May I remind fellow members of the "Flatus Agreement", and the various materials that we agreed to keep from the public gaze, to protect his real identity.
That guy looks like he's in pain.
You think that's a pained look. You should see the expression of the person on all fours in front of Matt, just out of shot.
I don't think mattc has a 50 mile penis, do you?You'll have to wait for MJB's 'exposé' article, same as everyone else.
;)
I looked at the LEL finishers' list (p52) and I'm puzzled; why are some names in UPPER CASE? I've seen nothing to explain this.
The latest Arrivee came today and I was shocked that it contained my article about my RRTY, which I wrote so long ago that I had (fortunately) forgotten all about it. Now come flooding back all those memories of the cold, dark, rain, and exhaustion. The badge still hangs on the wall and I still look at it about a hundred times a day.
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
so does mine; but not in the RRTY page where it's been reset to 0 :-\
I didn't get my name in the RRTY roll of honour :'(
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
so does mine; but not in the RRTY page where it's been reset to 0 :-\
reset to 0? I didn't understand that. If you mean you aren't listed at all, the RRTY stuff is split, so you might be in the Handbook.
Just wondering what postcards I needed to have sent to which addresses etc. to have been included in the "LEL 2013 on fixed" list in the handbook... I was going through it not expecting to be mentioned, when my hopes were raised/near-simultaneously cruelly dashed.. :(You need to have included it in your Fixed Wheel Claim. Clicky (http://www.aukweb.net/_resources/files/results/awards/fxdregs.pdf)
I was also morbidly interested to see if an accident that happened behind me on the Buzzard 600 got reported in the accidents list. It was indeed. Good record keeping.
Who do I contact about getting my copy?
I loved the bit in the WCW 1976 report that said (Harry's) 'lunch of boiled eggs and 2 bottles of stout hadn't agreed with him' :o
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?Pet peeve - lack of clues to the cover pictures. Bloody volunteers ... grumble ...
Who do I contact about getting my copy?
Me, but I'll need to know who you are. PM your address so I can check if that's where we sent it
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?Pet peeve - lack of clues to the cover pictures. Bloody volunteers ... grumble ...
I enjoyed this issue, largely because of Hummers's excellent article.
...need to clarify the long term relationship between the (new) website and Arrivee, as much of the material currently published through Arrivee will also go to the website which will have a ‘magazine’ style front page The possibility of developing the Arrivee editorial team into a website team was discussed and that Arrivee may evolve into an annual publication. The current handbook is perceived as being somewhat obsolete/redundant as most of the information is available through the website or else could be published through Arrivee. Consequently it was agreed that the 2014 handbook will be the last to be issued in printed form.
Meanwhile there's a possible project to archive all the past Arrivees to PDF, right back to issue 1.
Meanwhile there's a possible project to archive all the past Arrivees to PDF, right back to issue 1.
Oddly (I thought), when I suggested that the Handbook pages could contain URLs to the relevant web pages "for further information" I was told flatly by one Board member that that would be unacceptable.
(Just a side note, although the link on the AUK website says 2014 January Minutes... the link opens a document which is dated January 2013.)
Just received my spring edition and the front cover is without doubt my favourite since I started receiving copies in 2011. No idea who the riders are but they seem to truly captivate what Audax is about. Which is having fun.
Always a pleasure to see an article from McNasty. Would love to meet him one day. ;D
I bet their kids are lovely too. :smug:Always a pleasure to see an article from McNasty. Would love to meet him one day. ;D
We shared support with Phil and George on the last 24. They really are a lovely couple.
I'm a lucky man...
Just received my spring edition and the front cover is without doubt my favourite since I started receiving copies in 2011. No idea who the riders are but they seem to truly captivate what Audax is about. Which is having fun.My first thought was; quite nice, nothing special, a tandem makes a nice change.
This addition, although smaller than usual was a better read. I particularly enjoyed Bruce Dunbar's LEL report in a snakes and ladders stylee and Phil Whitehurst's themed RTTY.
Still no picture of me in it :'(
Still no picture of me in it :'(
You did look after me at the last sleep control on the Mille, but your camera wasn't in sight.Still no picture of me in it :'(
Since I keep writing articles for Arrivée. You will have to accost me on the next event we are both on and ask me to take your photo and include in an article I must write!
You did look after me at the last sleep control on the Mille, but your camera wasn't in sight.Still no picture of me in it :'(
Since I keep writing articles for Arrivée. You will have to accost me on the next event we are both on and ask me to take your photo and include in an article I must write!
Still no mega reviews for my Just A Second column on YACF
sob
Still no mega reviews for my Just A Second column on YACF, sob.Perhaps its like being a referee; do it right, noone notices you.
So I'll have to settle for Yet Another Mega Edition of Arrivee...
makes note to enter Snow Roads next yearSorry to disappoint Martin, but we are having a break from running it next year. But it's always there as a permanent.
Graeme Wylie's article on becoming an Ultra Randonneur is a great overview of what an achievement this is.I've never seen an article so full of such Great Achievements TM Well done G. :thumbsup:
makes note to enter Snow Roads next yearSorry to disappoint Martin, but we are having a break from running it next year.
But it's always there as a permanent.
Iddu OTP did the same thing last year.But it's always there as a permanent.
Dave Pountney once rode the Snow Roads event and permanent back-to-back. As part of his push to become the first person ever to complete his AAA card.
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...My first ever picture in Arrivee! I was the shapeless blanket-covered lump next to you.
I'm not sure I could have finished it as a perm - it was only the good folks helping at the Braemar and Kirriemuir controls and the company for the (dark) final leg that got me through.
I think I made a comment in the online article wot I wrote about audax that one is unlikely to look ones best in the middle of a hard randonnee ;) Proved my myself on various pictures I've put up on Facebook.
At least you got in, some of us have been waiting two years or more to get in there :'(
Company for dark (and wet, and windy) final legs very definitely works both ways. Besides, I'm sure I recall a determination to finish so that you never, ever had to do it again ...
(Is 2016 calling to you yet?)
Company for dark (and wet, and windy) final legs very definitely works both ways. Besides, I'm sure I recall a determination to finish so that you never, ever had to do it again ...
(Is 2016 calling to you yet?)
Absolutely!
I'd also heartily recommend the Tayside Transgression for anyone disinclined to do Snow Roads as a perm - don't be put off by the lack of AAA points, there are still plenty of hills :O)
No.Iddu OTP did the same thing last year.But it's always there as a permanent.
Dave Pountney once rode the Snow Roads event and permanent back-to-back. As part of his push to become the first person ever to complete his AAA card.
Nutter.
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Nope that's definitely some haggard old lady on her last legs and not me *denies
Oooooh! Does that mean you're thinking of running them again?
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Nope that's definitely some haggard old lady on her last legs and not me *denies
He's caught your best side. Bwahaha!!!!!
Oooooh! Does that mean you're thinking of running them again?
So much positive feedback and so many e-mails of support (and I actually enjoyed doing it) so yes, it's all going to happen again :)
There's also Stornoway if you're after a north of the border 300km ;)
I really liked this edition, particularly the historical ones. It is a good mix. If newbies don't know what has happened beforehand, the pioneers and legends tend to be forgotten.
My son's friend's mother was very excited to hear her photo is in a magazine. She's not an AUK so hasn't seen it yet. Whether she will still be excited when she does, I can't yet say.
When was the last one? :D
I think I'm missing one.
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
I've got mine.
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
Nice issue, I thought - good balance.
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
I've got mine.
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Can I read this magazine online ?
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:the fb group
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
I for one find no enjoyment or fun whilst cycling. This photo had led me to seriously consider my future membership of this organisation.
Disgusted,
Lancashire.
Yes, I think we need more members like "Disgusted".Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
It wasn't really. One person said he didn't like the cover and a few agreed. More disagreed, and then there was an interesting appraisal of various articles. But the response I like best was -QuoteI for one find no enjoyment or fun whilst cycling. This photo had led me to seriously consider my future membership of this organisation.
Disgusted,
Lancashire.
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
I hope noone is actually put off opening the mag, cos they will miss possibly the best article evah in a cycling mag:
the Red King!!!
OK, so 4 people expressing a -ve view on Facebook is a storm in a teacup; but it was the reasons for the dislike that entertained me.
I also chuckled at the Red King ,found the story about the boy doing his first 50k audax uplifting and enjoyed most of the other content.
The only controversial bit I could spot was the article about a fast 400 which described the event as a race more than once.
the photo captioned 'Colin and John' doesn't feature Colin
An Arrivee without a mis-captioned photo would be like an Audax without a road-closure.
As Dave 'Man of Kent' Winslade says, it's about 'having a good time, not doing a good time' but it's important to remember that the two are not mutually exclusive - to my mind, there's nothing wrong with getting your kicks by finishing a 400 as fast as you possibly can, as long as it's within the upper time limit and you're not actually treating it as a race (I think it's OK in this instance because Ciaran is using the term 'race' in an informal sense).
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
+1
Had a look on the ACH page - disappointing lack of provocative footage. :(
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
Had a look on the ACH page - disappointing lack of provocative footage. :(
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
(I may not have opened *every* picture).
Could you sneak it into the next edition?!?
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
The controversy is that he's riding hands-free and not wearing a helmet. Disgraceful example to set. ;)
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
I thought tri-bars were frowned upon.
I don't know who he is but he's a fine specimen of homo audaxensis. He did that thing of plodding along, seemingly at snail's pace, then finished well ahead of me. The sod. ;D
I don't know who he is but he's a fine specimen of homo audaxensis. He did that thing of plodding along, seemingly at snail's pace, then finished well ahead of me. The sod. ;D
That's George. He's busy growing old disgracefully.
Those are actually 'Spinaci' bars, I've got some Spinacissimi, which can serve as a platform for a bar bag, handy when you want the lights underneath.
(http://bdc-forum.it/picture.php?albumid=5933&pictureid=52073)
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
A board member, possibly, in contravention of Regulation 9.3.3 - I am appalled.
Won't someone think of the children?
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
A board member, possibly, in contravention of Regulation 9.3.3 - I am appalled.
Won't someone think of the children?
Having thought of the children, I feel - no, I am - suitably ashamed.
I thought the cover photo was great.
Needs more tongue.Steady!
Agreed, refreshing to see something different on the cover.
Needs more tongue.Steady!
Our work fire-wall has just blocked me from reading the "Audax tyre" thread. Please leave me some threads to read in my lunch hour.
Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
Agreed, refreshing to see something different on the cover.
Please let me know if you have someone else's renewals invitation as it means that they are missing out on their Arrivee.
I used to include loads of useful things in this letter, such as a reminder of your password for www.aukweb.net, but as the mailing service we use cannot guarantee that their paper handling works perfectly, I don't, which is a pity.
Mike Wigley (MemSec)
It should be noted that, breaking with the tradition of at least the last hundred issues of Arrivée, there's a photo of yours truly!Indeed you are :thumbsup:
Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
I also had someone else's renewal form (in addition to my own) in my copy
There seem to be some VERY young lads 'imbued by the spirit of long-distance cycling'.
The back cover is even better.
I wonder if it's a new 'twinning' initiative, like towns have so that the dignitaries can have a jolly abroad at the taxpayers expense? Only here, Dagenham Dave gets randomly twinned with Gary from Glossop and they get to visit each other for Audax rides?Turns out my son's copy had someone else's form in it too. Did everyone get two, or are we just blessed as a family?Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
I also had someone else's renewal form (in addition to my own) in my copy
I've got someone else's cover sheet as well as my own too, which presumably means that that person didn't get their Arrivée at all - seems to be a bit of a feature of this edition.
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
No trophy for you then!
l too, have someone else's coversheet.I've got someone else's cover sheet as well as my own too, which presumably means that that person didn't get their Arrivée at all - seems to be a bit of a feature of this edition.
There certainly seems to be a lot of it about!
At least if we tell Delph Cyclist about he can ensure the intended recipients can get their copies.
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
Posted to Mr Blacksheep (a handful a miles down the road)
l too, have someone else's coversheet.
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
That's unfortunate, Judith.
Especially as it would have been your last ever issue of Arrivée, after you told us last month that you have decided to change membership from AUK to CTC. How has the move gone? I'm sure we all wish you well in the new direction your cycling is taking you.
But the biggest shock was enjoying not one, but TWO articles about OCD.
I thought that we had a strong and thriving CTC over here in CTC West.
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
That is usually a result of a lottery that the Royal Mail conducts, whereby a small number of Long Distance Cycling Magazines are selected at random and distributed to alternative addresses. They do this to spread the word on our behalf. You have to pay good money for that level of service provision.
I only know of 2 dozen who haven't received Arrivee as a result of this problem with mis-addressing and replacements are in today's post.
I have met a few folks recently involved with the CTC and am interested in joining some of the local rides as they seem like lovely folk. Does Mrs Blacksheep still ride with them?
It would appear that numerous members' renewal & cover sheet got "stuck" to the same of others' .
Top marks. Sounds like something outside of AUK control, but as ever, our amazing volunteers have stepped up and resolved the situation quickly and efficiently.
:thumbsup:
However, I would expect nothing less from those that sought election to AUK positions to put into action an investigation why the incident happened, and what corrective actions are going into place to prevent further occurances.
Mistype "those that sought and gained election"However, I would expect nothing less from those that sought election to AUK positions to put into action an investigation why the incident happened, and what corrective actions are going into place to prevent further occurances.
Even those folk that don't get elected?
I also found I have two front sheets- whom do I inform?
I also found I have two front sheets- whom do I inform?
Delph Cyclist of this parish is AUK Membership Secretary. Tell him.
There's a copy in St Margarets if that helps either Menthel or Pete Mas (or anyone else in SW London).
There's a copy in St Margarets if that helps either Menthel or Pete Mas (or anyone else in SW London).And any NW London commuters who use the Metropolitan Line, please feel free to read it over my shoulder on the tube. ;D
As I do not have mine I agree that putting it on line would be a good idea. Also due to current eyesight issues I prefer to read on line.
I'm one of the few who didn't get Arrive this issue. I have waited for the second posting but nothing had come as of Saturday. Do I request a copy from you or another?
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
And it is so. That I think is the problem. 100% efficiency from machines is obviously too much to ask for, but this is looking rather poor to me. It's about 40 from a mailing of over 5803, so you can work out the percentages. As the poor sod having to pick this up I'm not impressed.
Thanks to everyone for their kind words about this edition, on here and elsewhere, and thanks to everyone who contributed of course.
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Excellent notion, indeed, why not take it a stage further and deliver all of the other missing copies by bike too? Or even.......all 6,000 copies next quarter, wow, now that's what I call a Brevet!Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Could you go and collect your copy and count it as a perm?
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?What planet are you on?
A Planet X perhaps?I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?What planet are you on?
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?
I'd like to be able to take full credit for having Mark Fairhurst draw the cover art, but I can't - the idea came from Rob Simmonds, our @audaxuk person on Twitter. All thanks to Rob for pointing me in Mark's direction. Turned out quite well in the end :thumbsup:Nice to see it actually happen! :thumbsup:
Peter
'oo runs it now then?
'oo runs it now then?I plead hignerance m'lud. I borrowed the keys off Ian H, but I don't know who has them now.
As for Pichy's comment, haven't the foggiest what (s)he's on about... Can anyone translate?
As for Pichy's comment, haven't the foggiest what (s)he's on about... Can anyone translate?
I've tried e-mailing membership@audax.uk.net
Well I can see Ian at the front, possibly riding fixed, and Reg following him, but not sure who the next guy with the bright light is, unless it's me, cos I had a lift down with Reg... OMG it is me, on the cover of arrivee.....
Only took five years and 130,000 kms.....
... the next guy with the bright light is, unless it's me, cos I had a lift down with Reg... OMG it is me.....Oh, it's your light... and there was me thinking the sun was shining ....
My, there are some handsome chaps on the front cover!Odd you should say that, I thought the chap in red looked a bit like you, but so much older and more worn looking... ;)
;D
On looking again, it appears that the picture is from 2013. I've done Mad March twice, in 2013 and 2015, but was on a different bike last year. I'd recommend the event, BTW.
Well yes: that's because it was the second event of my first ever back-to-back weekend, having ridden March Madness from Tewkesbury the day before.My, there are some handsome chaps on the front cover!Odd you should say that, I thought the chap in red looked a bit like you, but so much older and more worn looking... ;)
;D
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
Is your real name Bobby Ewing?
Your magazine is really boring.
Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
I would hope it's meant to be interesting to club members!Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
I think it was Sheila who once said it's a club magazine, it's meant to be boring.
I thought this edition was quite a good read.....Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
I think the magazine's generally excellent. :thumbsup:
If anyone thinks the content is not up to snuff then they merely have get off their arses and send in a quality submission.
Her comment was simply her opinion, told to me, as someone who infrequently rides a bike and has no interest in riding it a long, long way. In fact I'm not sure whether it was meant as an opinion on Arrivee compared to Cycle, which also comes through the post every couple of months, and any other cycling magazines there may be around here, or to what extent she differentiates between them. I think mostly it was proof of what IanH said: a club magazine is by its nature not too interesting to people outside that club. I only posted it here as a "view from outside" in a jokey way. But now I've got to thinking about it, compared to, say, Cycle, never mind a commercial magazine, Arrivee is very wordy: articles consisting of text over several pages with relatively small illustrations, and long lists of names and events which are obviously of no interest at all to anyone who doesn't at least recognise a name or two. It's that very wordiness which allows the detail which gives it interest to those who are in the club. In fact, comparing it to the journal of a professional association Mrs Cudzo belongs to, Arrivee seems to have longer articles with denser text, possibly a slightly more restricted focus, but the illustrations are more relevant to their articles!I thought this edition was quite a good read.....Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
That's nothing to do with the editors or owt, they can only work with what they're given, more a call to contributors to step yo' game up.
I'm just grateful toanyoneeveryone who takes the time and trouble to submit reports and/or pictures. It's all good.
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
Was all ready to get indignant about the whereabouts of my magazine when I realise that I never actually renewed my membership :facepalm:
I can honestly say that Arrivee is the worst photography magazine I have ever bought.
Arrivée is privileged having Tim as one of its editors.
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
It's the gritty, newsreel quality that adds atmosphere.You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
There just weren't any other photographic materials available in North Carolina :facepalm:
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
In that case, you probably spent your coma as William.
Mrs Cudzo says it was the pages of lists of names which struck her as boring. (Even understanding what they're for and being able to say "I know him! And her, and him and... ooh, that's me!" I can't see exactly why they're printed, but I suppose collecting things is sort of what makes lots of audaxers tick.)
In fact, comparing it to the journal of a professional association Mrs Cudzo belongs to, Arrivee seems to have longer articles with denser text, possibly a slightly more restricted focus, but the illustrations are more relevant to their articles!
I'd be happy to see all the lists and calendar go online ...
... 'scenic shot including cyclist(s)' ...
That's nothing to do with the editors or owt, they can only work with what they're given, more a call to contributors to step yo' game up.
The problem is that in the case of most contributors to Arrivée, you're asking people to understand technical requirements that are outside the realm of their experience. It would be great if someone who really knows about photography could put together some easy-to-follow guidelines for contributors on how to take a picture that will look good in print. That would be a useful thing to put in the mag.
I know the basics of the production process - converting pics to CMYK and making sure they're of a high enough resolution for print - but the technicalities of actually taking a good quality pic in the first place are, tbh, beyond me, and I don't do repro stuff. I'm better at the words side of things.
I'm just grateful to anyone who takes the time and trouble to submit reports and/or pictures. It's all good. Arrivée isn't a commercial publication and shouldn't aspire to be - it's really more of a highly polished newsletter and works well in that capacity. We have to accept its limitations.
I loved the thistles and the telegraph poles but thought the one featuring Jim Gresty (anyone could tell that) had far too many VC167 jerseys in it.
Having brain fade, mine hasn't arrived who do I go to, to ask for another ?? :thumbsup: :)
I loved the thistles and the telegraph poles but thought the one featuring Jim Gresty (anyone could tell that) had far too many VC167 jerseys in it.
Seriously, COME ON, people!
Thanks for that.Having brain fade, mine hasn't arrived who do I go to, to ask for another ?? :thumbsup: :)
Membership @ audax dot uk, or pm Delph Cyclist on here.
Arrivee is an absolute disgrace....totally discriminatory.....in 131 editions I can't recall a single recumbent on the front cover. Where are the Wobblies of Yesteryear?
'Oppressed of Nethy Bridge'
Haven't checked all editions and if I'm wrong I know I'm going to have to eat a big slice of humble pie
Francis took a shot of me carrying two cameras, while being filmed by Dave Robinson in Coxwold.
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Edition 91.
feeling slightly less oppressed...more marginalised.
[...] it is hidden away at the back of a group of riders [...] on real bikes
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
;)
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
;)
>:( >:( :facepalm:
Here's one I spotted on PBP '87 - totally-enclosed jobbie, ISTR you could hear him singing to himself as he trundled along -
and here's a whole rash of 'em 20 years later -
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/11883426827-circ.jpg)
and here's a whole rash of 'em 20 years later -
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/11883426827-circ.jpg)
Still not finished, presumably??
the one at the top is a Leitra,
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.Wrong end of the ride. Or too much sleep.
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.Wrong end of the ride. Or too much sleep.
(My hallucinations only extended to boys from the indian subcontinent on kick scooters in purple jerseys.)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12642548_1686326511635137_2179992386740937189_n.jpg?oh=a94e6df2f7e2ffc7c5de19778e9660f5&oe=57296F5B)
L-R (rear)
HK, Cathy Brown, bhoot, Denise Booth, fboab, Anne Learmonth.
Foreground: Virginia McGee
The artist has reversed my hand signal.
*sadly the participants from Asia had a fairly high DNF rate overallThe Indian lads who packed at Villaines-la-Juhel had been through a terrible night. They'd never before experienced riding in temperatures as low as 10 degrees centigrade.
*sadly the participants from Asia had a fairly high DNF rate overallThe Indian lads who packed at Villaines-la-Juhel had been through a terrible night. They'd never before experienced riding in temperatures as low as 10 degrees centigrade.
5 Degrees C is the lowest temperature I've seen quoted. It was the hills as well as the temperatures which caused problems, along with the lack of vegetarian options.
I got quite a few interviews from Asian riders, I might write them up for Arrivee. It might be useful for LEL.
Arrivée is privileged having Tim as one of its editors.A Club is only as good as the sum of those who contribute to its functioning. Concur Tim is one of those who keeps us all riding along the right lanes.
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.
Tbh, I'm not a fan of Mediafire - not least because editors don't get automatically notified when stuff is uploaded and not everyone remembers to drop the editor an email to let them know... It's also quite restrictive on file sizes.
Might be easier to send stuff directly to the relevant editor by Wetransfer or somesuch. I'm happy for people to share stuff with me via Dropbox or Google Drive as well. I think Tim likes to receive stuff by Dropbox if you're sending it for his attention, but worth checking with him.
I used it recently (though not via the AUK interface) for some very big files and it was fine.
Well it has in the Outer Hebrides :)
Great front cover and article Deano, thanks :thumbsup:
and a great article on MacNasty too ;D
To drum up -An ancient Scottish tradition of lighting a real fire and boiling a kettle for real tea.
Postman Mike woke me up from my dreaded lurgi induced snooze to issue mine unto me.
Glanced at the McNasty article. What is a "drum up spot?" I've heard them mentioned before in a previous issue but have no idea what one is, not why it would require a "bonfire"...
Got mine today. Really enjoyed it apart from all McNasty's lies about poor old me. Cremola Foam was very popular in the sixties and a spoonful would give plain water just the right amount of flavour.Flavour of what though?
By the time you have finished drinking and talking , the fire will be almost out .
Have you any light to shed on the Scottish tradition for putting out a blaze?
Got mine today. Really enjoyed it apart from all McNasty's lies about poor old me. Cremola Foam was very popular in the sixties and a spoonful would give plain water just the right amount of flavour.Flavour of what though?
Sticking with Scottishisms in that article, what is a "shilpit wee nyaff"?
I suppose a shilpit weeny must be someone who obsessively reduces the amount of shilpits on their bike, so when you say "shilpit weeny aff" you are expressing your (old skool audaxer) disdain for such new-fangled minimalism... :)
Sticking with Scottishisms in that article, what is a "shilpit wee nyaff"?
Have you any light to shed on the Scottish tradition for putting out a blaze?
Scottish weather.
Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
It's on another bike, on the mudguard, obvs.Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
I am more concerned that he isn't correctly equipped - he doesn't have his AUK mudguard sticker
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Should be with you by now. Mike (Delph Cyclist otp) is the person to contact.
In the meantime, you can read the digital edition here:
https://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arr133_lr
I've got no-one called Trumpet on the mailing list.
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Should be with you by now. Mike (Delph Cyclist otp) is the person to contact.
In the meantime, you can read the digital edition here:
https://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arr133_lr
Particularly 'enjoyed' Phil W's tale of Wild Atlantic Way
Particularly 'enjoyed' Phil W's tale of Wild Atlantic Way
So did I, very much. Such a pity to have to pack so close to the finish.
Just wondering if the Titus Halliwell in the Belgian 600 is the Sergeant Titus?
Nice looking issue. Good job, Peter.
no paper copy but seen it online;
perhaps the saddest news is that Steve Snook is stepping down as the AAA Man; a million thanks Steve for all your hard work over the years towards the awards and the tangible motivation and enthusiasm you have provided to so many who have aimed for the many and varied awards; you will be an extremely hard act to follow and I hope your successor can do justice to what you have achieved and to the many riders you have inspired
Onwards and UpwAAArds ! three cheers for Steve!
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.
Wait until February.
I'm pleased to see that the back of my head makes two appearances. Thanks Tim ;D
You do ride a lot but do tell me this is a warning about Central please. Had a dubel on Friday and a tripel yesterday £7.10.
That WAWAWA DOO; very enjoyable!
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
After too long a wait, another fine Peter Marshall article!
:thumbsup:
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
If you joined on 19th October your membership pack including Arrivee was posted 2nd class on 10th November - hopefully with you any day now.
Mind you, to quote the Membership Secretary, I don't have a Yanner on my list!
I discovered those articles after I started, but still enjoyed them.After too long a wait, another fine Peter Marshall article!
:thumbsup:
Absolutely! It was Peter's writing that was partially. responsible for getting me into Audax 15 years ago
I hope your address sheet hasn't ended up in AN Other's wrapper.
I received two address sheets a while back but MemSec mad sure AN Other received his copy.
Wait until February.
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.Yup. This time, in a takeaway. :facepalm:
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.Yup. This time, in a takeaway. :facepalm:
Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
He's in there twice :thumbsup:
What a gentleman. There's Bairdy ploughing a bow-wave through the water to save Denise's velo from getting wet(ter).
Three times at least.He's in there twice :thumbsup:
What a gentleman. There's Bairdy ploughing a bow-wave through the water to save Denise's velo from getting wet(ter).
+ another and no doubt, many more!Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
+1
+ another and no doubt, many more!Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
+1
Over THIRTY YEARS of editing Arrivée, from a small newsletter to a proper, full-colour A4 magazine.
Thank you, Sheila!
Also in Arrivée many times, every issue I think, is the VC167 jersey. It's rather a good looking shirt with its pattern of yellow diamonds on a blue background; but why is Deano's yellow with blue diamonds? Is this supposed to make him stand out (yellow for danger!) or is it simply a recent redesign? Is the shirt reversible on the Dukla Prague away kit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukla_Prague) principle? Or is it just optional? And why doesn't anyone else have one?It's our away kit for special occasions. Dean, Rob and I hadn't coordinated when we planned to wear it - I think I finished in the Maillot jaune, whereas Deano started in it.
Also in Arrivée many times, every issue I think, is the VC167 jersey. It's rather a good looking shirt with its pattern of yellow diamonds on a blue background; but why is Deano's yellow with blue diamonds? Is this supposed to make him stand out (yellow for danger!) or is it simply a recent redesign? Is the shirt reversible on the Dukla Prague away kit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukla_Prague) principle? Or is it just optional? And why doesn't anyone else have one?
Away kit for special occasions! :thumbsup: Does this mean AUK needs an away points rule? :o
Shoutout to the bloke on Facebook who referred to me as 'The 15 yr old in the funky cap'. :thumbsup:
Sad to read Paddy Timson's obituary.
I did Southport Settle Southport in 1994 and had a great ride.
RIP PT & MC.
Over THIRTY YEARS of editing Arrivée, from a small newsletter to a proper, full-colour A4 magazine.With a little background help from FF.
Thank you, Sheila!
You risk giving a wrong impression of Southport - that oasis of gentility, afternoon teas and crepuscular promenades.
Or perhaps it's gone downhill since Nev moved to NZ ?
You risk giving a wrong impression of Southport - that oasis of gentility, afternoon teas and crepuscular promenades.
Or perhaps it's gone downhill since Nev moved to NZ ?
There's the odd slight up and down on the way to Southport. But in general it's pancake flat moss land, then the salt marshes on Marine Drive. That way you avoid all the traffic lights.
There are a lot of miles to be clocked up on the flat road to Preston and on to the A6. I like that picture of Paddy on Kirkstone Pass, that would be the Southport - Lakeland - Southport 300.
It's been nice to see some general non-ride-report articles in recent issues (e.g. the women-in-ultra-endurance article, and the "interview" about the AUK web-server). :thumbsup:This edition feels much more 'rounded' - the article you mention, the Canadian Rockies trip, all mixed in with the usual stuff has made this an excellent read. It's perhaps the first edition I've sat down and really got into for a while.
... my copy hasn't arrived yet...
Nice seeing my name on Page 8!I only made page 12, working on page 8 and page 13 for next year.
... my copy hasn't arrived yet...
No, because I haven't sent it yet. For some reason* your renewal missed my deadline for creating the mailing list, but you are my list for a follow up mailing. That will happen when I get a moment to stuff Arrivees into envelopes.
* delayed cheque in the post.
Mine's here now, and I'm really enjoying it.
I found Francis's piece about AUK history particularly interesting, as I've been leafing through some old copies of Coureur/Sporting Cyclist magazine, and there's an account of the 1962 PBP by Charles Horrent. I've scanned it and shared it below:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57044735/PBP%202.pdf
(hopefully the link works!)
There's an interesting coda at the end where the editor enquired about the rules under which British riders could enter - the editor was one Jock Wadley, who, Francis tells us, went on to ride PBP himself in the seventies.
4271 PEACOCK Andrew VE UK CENT. LANCS RC 85h54
There's sometimes confusion caused by those unfamiliar with the French convention of Surname first.
I had it as a toss-up whether you or LWAB would comment first, so well done ESL :)
I actually quite like it. It's a reminder that history is sometimes fragmented.
How do you feel about misspelling of "Phoenix"? After 5 years of asking, I decided it didn't irritate me enough to pursue it further ...I actually quite like it. It's a reminder that history is sometimes fragmented.
Please let me get this corrected. It'll be like an empty tooth socket for me otherwise.
delph cyclist of this parish is the AUK Membership Secretary ...
New printers rather late in the day, I hear. Hopefully not too long now...
New printers rather late in the day, I hear. Hopefully not too long now...
Any moment now! They have been printed, so it's all down to Royal Mail. What could possibly go wrong? When you recall that we recently lost Tim as one of our editors, and that Sheila retired as editor after completing the previous edition, you will appreciate that there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes getting this one out. It didn't help that our existing Printer suddenly went into receivership either so we had to find a replacement for that.
It didn't help that our existing Printer suddenly went into receivership either so we had to find a replacement for that.
So has citoyen left the staff?
I'm still waiting for my Arrivée to arrivé. ** folds arms and taps foot impatiently ** :)
Is that Oscar's Dad on p55?
Lots of Big Rides in this one, I wonder if we need to make sure that some bloggers submit more rides? There are a good few of us that blog regularly... and it's still a nice thing to get Arrive and see something you have written in it and that it will stay in the record of the organisation....
I bet Ritchie T(r)out will be delighted ;D
Lots of Big Rides in this one, I wonder if we need to make sure that some bloggers submit more rides? There are a good few of us that blog regularly... and it's still a nice thing to get Arrive and see something you have written in it and that it will stay in the record of the organisation....
Thanks for the suggestion which prompted me to submit the BCM article that appeared in this issue.
I echo the comments by others that the new design is great and thanks to those who put the work in.
I bet Ritchie T(r)out will be delighted ;D
Oh dear. It was correct in the draft. Put the blame on automatic spellchecks.
Good article, I read it with interest as I am doing the BCM next year for the first time... interestingly 2 weeks after a 400, just like you, possibly the same LWL 400?
Good article, I read it with interest as I am doing the BCM next year for the first time... interestingly 2 weeks after a 400, just like you, possibly the same LWL 400?
Correct - we did have some doubts about a first 600 a fortnight after only our second 400. However there was a certain attraction in pairing a ride from (near) home to Chepstow with another from Chepstow to North Wales.
An even better magazine than usual which must have been very hard to pull off , well done all :thumbsup: plus I see AUK is now going to be a CTT affiliated club so no need for me to join a local club if I fancy doing TT's 8)
Paul
New look is very, very professional - well done to the team, and look forward to seeing it evolve.
Is it possible to buy the current edition? I've just joined AUK but not expecting to get the mag until membership kicks in for 2018When I joined they sent me a copy of the latest arrivee with my membership. I joined round this time last year so you should get one.
Is that Oscar's Dad on p55?
That is indeed Oscar's Dad, bright and breezy in the ACME top.
Beware the new-style Arrivée. The centrefold picture is horrific...
Is it possible to buy the current edition? I've just joined AUK but not expecting to get the mag until membership kicks in for 2018
I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.The front cover of this edition seems to put across AUK's response to any debate.
Bugger, I'm away tonight in Leeds and left before the post. I'm missing out on some bedtime reading >:(
Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Whilst respecting your choice, I am completely against compulsion in this matter.Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
pg 55. A photo of a broken helmet, with the caption:Eurgh.
"the remains of Mary's helmet that saved her from serious injury"
Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
I really think giving that helmet article the degree of prominence it has was a serious error of judgement. I'm not saying that helmet issues aren't a valid discussion point, but that article was the wrong one.Agreed.
In order to write a good 'opposing view' you'd have to write an anti-helmet article - most aren't 'anti-helmet' they are 'anti-compulsion'. In order to take the article to task point by point then it would be a case of trading anecdotes - which becomes personal, and that's not what Audax or Arrivee is about.
I seriously hope the editor has got a Right of Reply article already lined up, but either way, it can't address the original mistake.
(I'm not trying to stray into 'Lift the Lid' territory - I'm writing about the advisability of that article)
I've had a mech hanger fail only once in my life. This occurred when a carrier bag got jammed in the rear mech. When it failed it took with it the rear mech and the right side seat stay. Carrying a spare hanger seems a tad pointless in this situation.Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
Oh dear.
I haven't got my copy of Arrivee yet so I don't know how my article was presented.
I just wrote a "wot I done on my audax" article which happened to involve a crash at the end and I submitted the picture of my helmet because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't intended to be a pro-helmet article where n=1
For the record I am anti- compulsion too.
I'll wait to get my copy before commenting further
Oh dear.
I haven't got my copy of Arrivee yet so I don't know how my article was presented.
I just wrote a "wot I done on my audax" article which happened to involve a crash at the end and I submitted the picture of my helmet because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't intended to be a pro-helmet article where n=1
For the record I am anti- compulsion too.
I'll wait to get my copy before commenting further
I'm not saying that helmet issues aren't a valid discussion point
Agreed.
This article has really fucked me off like. Not sure I want to be associated with such wank.
*not the cover picture, that's a stunning photo....but the suggestion that Arrivee should ban all pictures containing anyone riding a bike without a helmet.
IMO, that'd be the start of the slippery slope towards compulsory wearing at all events, probably soon to be followed by wearing Hi-Viz etc.
I seriously hope the editor has got a Right of Reply article already lined up...
mattc......how dare they not listen to you?!?!I can only assume they are people who don't know about my PhD in gear-hanger failures. Would you like a copy?
I'm all for spicing up Arrivée.Yebbut you'll need leak-proof containers to stop the gender fluids sticking the pages together. Or is that the Rogerzilla special edition?
If it was down to me there'd be a Readers' Wives section, and of course a Reader's Husbands, Partners, Boyfriends, Girlfriends and Gender-Fluids section because I'm inclusive and tolerant.
I've had a mech hanger fail only once in my life. This occurred when a carrier bag got jammed in the rear mech. When it failed it took with it the rear mech and the right side seat stay. Carrying a spare hanger seems a tad pointless in this situation.
Spot on.
It’s like when people start banging on about cycling facilities and how we should be like Holland. Let’s just ride our chuffing bikes on the roads we already have, wearing what the hell we want, astride whatever bike we fancy.
I submitted an article which centred around not taking audax too seriously. I haven’t seen the latest issue but it doesn’t sound like it’s been published which is a shame, perhaps it’ll make the next issue, it sounds like some light relief is called for.
My copy has just arrived...Ditto! :)
The helmet piece is clearly marked 'Opinion' and and takes up just 1.5 pages, of which a substantial panel is the response from Chris, which remains admirably neutral and refuses to adopt a 'position'. There's also an unhelmeted rider featured prominently on the cover, which you could take as an editorial response to the piece if you like.
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
It is interesting to note that PBP and virtually all BRMs and LRMs in other countries require reflective vests or suchlike to be worn at night at night. Several countries don't allow tribars at all. The magic seems to continue.
I am a fan of choice in this instance.
I think I'm agreeing with you there. I still think that on balance it was a big mistake to publish this letter, but the overall presentation is a lot better than it might have been.
Rather more important, to my mind, is Marcia's piece on women in Audax, which gets more than double the space of the helmet piece. Earlier, I was going to comment that the presence or otherwise of helmets in pictures is far less of a problem than the fact that the vast majority of pictures are populated exclusively by middle aged white men, so I'm pleased to see that matter being addressed directly.Yep. Adding to the diversity, there are even photos of riders... I have to be careful how I say this, but I can't think of a way round it, so:
I've ridden 3 different overseas BRMs. Only PBP had any clothing requirements. At night the groups were turned from a marvellous international meld into armies of near-identical robots. Shame.
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
It is interesting to note that PBP and virtually all BRMs and LRMs in other countries require reflective vests or suchlike to be worn at night. Several countries don't allow tribars at all. The magic seems to continue.
I am a fan of choice in this instance.
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
In Italy ANY organised bicycle event needs a full medical (including ECG)... this includes for instance "The Eroica" which is in essence a brevet, although not sanctioned by Audax.
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
In Italy ANY organised bicycle event needs a full medical (including ECG)... this includes for instance "The Eroica" which is in essence a brevet, although not sanctioned by Audax.
I rode the long course l'Eroica in 2013 and I think I provided a certificate but did not take an ECG.
those who began cycling recently, seem to think you can shift gears at any time, under any loadNovice son-in-law did just this when using my 10 speed bike. Cost me a new cassette and chain :(
Quotethose who began cycling recently, seem to think you can shift gears at any time, under any loadNovice son-in-law did just this when using my 10 speed bike. Cost me a new cassette and chain :(
I've not seen the new issue yet so can't comment on the article specifically, but on the point of pictures depicting riders without helmets, I have noted that the vast majority of pictures submitted for inclusion these days are of helmeted riders.
having to see a topless picture ........Not seen Arrivee yet as I am away from home for a week. Was looking forward to reading it, as always, but am now in a tumescent frenzy at the more-than-usually-exciting prospect of seeing the mag. And actually touching it......
male toplessness ..........
female toplessness .............
a more european attitude towards nudity..............
Apparently the Italian law was 2015 and for l'Eroica the medical certificate must be dated after 02 October.
Copied back here after being buried elsewhere, and edited :Perhaps it's an audax initiation rite: you have to be willing to appear in public in vaguely embarrassing clothes or lack of clothes. The bloke on p49 managed to combine both in one photo.
I was disappointed by having to see a topless picture on p49**. Why is male toplessness more acceptable than female toplessness (or vice versa)? It's on the same continuum that ends up saying women should show only their hands (and possibly their eyes qv yashmak vs burkha) but it's OK for men to show face/head etc (and in the same vein bring back 1930s bathing suits).
Either that or as a country we should acquire a more european attitude towards nudity, otherwise we're being, imo, inconsistent.
** yes I do realise a top was most likely worn for the actual riding
Otherwise I've enjoyed what I've read so far. It almost made me want to go to america, and do some more hilly rides.
Apparently the Italian law was 2015 and for l'Eroica the medical certificate must be dated after 02 October.
But for Eroica, a medical certificate that is at least 30 years old would be acceptable surely?
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh?
Whilst it's natural that a community won't always see eye to eye, it would be good if we could up the levels of respect shown to each other.
Liam
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikesThis is odd, because on an actual event with actual riders on actual bikes on actual roads, I've always, without exception, found everyone to be really friendly.
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh?
Whilst it's natural that a community won't always see eye to eye, it would be good if we could up the levels of respect shown to each other.
Liam
a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikesThis is odd, because on an actual event with actual riders on actual bikes on actual roads, I've always, without exception, found everyone to be really friendly.
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
I very much doubt I'll be submitting anything to Arrivée in the forseeable.
.... Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh? .....
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory... To be honest, an association with 6,000 members which promotes organised events with 50-100 participants (with one exception) is almost invisible and has zero mediatic power... so if one day helmets will become compulsory by law, it will not be because of AUK pushing for it.
On the other hand, if helmets will become law, then there is nothing AUK can do to stop that happening... so you can all chill out, do as you think it's best, follow the law whatever that is and stop getting agitated about some otherwordly realities that might or might never happen and more importantly you can't do anything about.
Equally, I don't see the point of someone waving his hands to persuade AUK to pursue a helmet only coverage... the law is clear and the law does not impose helmets... end of the aggro
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
But why do only a minority of events require mudguards? It’s not difficult to find two events in the same part of the country at the same time of the year, one with mandatory mudguards, one without. Are all of the Orgs who don’t insist on mudguards unfussy / unmannerly / unhygienic? Or is there something else at play?
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUKNot on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
... I took the photo in question. The author's viewpoint of banning photo's of riders without helmets would be a blatant limitation to the photographer's task of a good and fair documentation of the event. A rule like this would make me step down from the role of event photographer as I would be forced to censor my pictures and would be breaching the ethics of photography. ...
But why do only a minority of events require mudguards? It’s not difficult to find two events in the same part of the country at the same time of the year, one with mandatory mudguards, one without. Are all of the Orgs who don’t insist on mudguards unfussy / unmannerly / unhygienic? Or is there something else at play?
Things always get a bit heated over the winter when people have less cycling to do or talk about, so more time gets devoted to subjects where we have less in common, and a few resort to trolling (in the original starting-arguments-on-the-internet-for-their-own-sake sense, not the generic term for online abuse that it's become) for entertainment.
Ah, that does make sense (assuming it's a daft o'clock start, of course!)What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
... I also note lots of pictures of bikes on LEL that don't meet the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations*. Is arrivee and AUK condoning this flagrant breach of the law by using such photo's? I look forward to that discussion.
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
Interesting. I run a time trial series for ultra cyclists and we have no such proscription against warming up on anything - or even against running in place.
I haven't read this one yet but just by reading things here I'm already looking forward to the *next* edition of Arrivee.
Having a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be interesting to watch.
FTFYHaving a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be tedious to watch.
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate in the AUK forum rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate there rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.FTFYHaving a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be tedious to watch.
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate in the AUK forum rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
Sounds a bit like YACF without the smut.
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory...
On the other hand if all the anti-compulsion people do nothing then the pro-helmet zealots will win.Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory... To be honest, an association with 6,000 members which promotes organised events with 50-100 participants (with one exception) is almost invisible and has zero mediatic power... so if one day helmets will become compulsory by law, it will not be because of AUK pushing for it.
On the other hand, if helmets will become law, then there is nothing AUK can do to stop that happening... so you can all chill out, do as you think it's best, follow the law whatever that is and stop getting agitated about some otherwordly realities that might or might never happen and more importantly you can't do anything about.
Equally, I don't see the point of someone waving his hands to persuade AUK to pursue a helmet only coverage... the law is clear and the law does not impose helmets... end of the aggro
On the other hand if all the anti-compulsion people do nothing then the pro-helmet zealots will win.
While the debate might get a little heated (!) at times, it is because people do feel very strongly that the evidence for/against helmet compulsion should be fairly weighed.
That is why I won't chill and just accept the 'facts' when they are quite clearly dubious opinion.
Wasn't the article about censorship of pictures in Arrivee, something AUK is in total control of ?
I wouldn't call any discussion / debate / argument...rants about it pointless.
There is nothing wrong with the AUK forum.
It is not generally sufficiently exciting or entertaining for me to bother visiting very often.
Wasn't the article about censorship of pictures in Arrivee, something AUK is in total control of ?
I wouldn't call any discussion / debate / argument...rants about it pointless.
The article is basically asking AUK to take a position, which I think is not in the nature of AUK. My understanding is that AUK sanctions events in the ACP framework but leaves to the organisers to decide on the rest. Asking AUK to take a position in a debate about helmets is pointless.
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
As long as we all agree nothing will ever come out of it... we can waste our time debating this (frankly tired) issue
Actually there’s no reason why AUK shouldn’t be part of any process that fights the demonisation of cycling. It represents, after all, one of the purest forms of cycling.
Lobby groups can be small; and need to be informed; it’s what they say that matters.
Unfortunately the helmet compulsion lobby is not small and not informed.
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
I think there's a difference between having a go at the article's argument and having a go at the decision to publish it and the choice of headline.
Anyone who's been involved in any sort of helmet debate before must surely know that they produce nothing positive, change nobody's minds and generally make everyone feel worse. Why publish it, other than to troll the readership?
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
I think there's a difference between having a go at the article's argument and having a go at the decision to publish it and the choice of headline.
Anyone who's been involved in any sort of helmet debate before must surely know that they produce nothing positive, change nobody's minds and generally make everyone feel worse. Why publish it, other than to troll the readership?
I wonder if the rider who complained about the cover photo of a non helmet wearing rider, has done a risk assessment of riding with lights / gopro strapped to his helmet?
I received my copy of Arrivee on Saturday - it must have been rowed across the Atlantic - and it is a wonderful production full of very interesting and well written articles, well done those who were responsible for it.
Glad your's arrived Charlie P.
Still waiting here.
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
I received my copy of Arrivee on Saturday - it must have been rowed across the Atlantic - and it is a wonderful production full of very interesting and well written articles, well done those who were responsible for it.
Which one have you received? I'd expect the current issue to have been delayed by this much.
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
Someone you know?
LEL evening pic
QuoteLEL evening pic
Are you referring to the rider with the rusty chain?
Okay, the summer edition # 137 has a picture on the front cover of a cyclist wearing a hi viz jersey and riding a bike with a rusty chain with a caption: Early morning northern light on the LEL.
As it happens, yes; but I just think it's a good pic. :)It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
Someone you know?
Pedants' Corner
May I (be possibly the 94th person to) point out that there should be a second "e" on the final word in the title of this thread, i.e. "Arrivée est arrivée!" because the past participle of the verb must agree with the gender (feminine) of the noun.
I'll get my coat now.
I think it's probable that, unlike the Mail's comments, there will be a certain amount of editorial discretion as to what gets onto the letters page ...
I cannot imagine what the editor was thinking!Did you have a look at the photo on the (front) cover?
... I think the magazine would have been far better had it been two pages shorter!
Sorry mate! I'm going to a CTC meeting later.
Sorry mate! I'm going to a CTC meeting later.
Are you still allowed to say that? Isn't it called Bikes R Us or something equally facile now?
You look very corporate if you were the branded Endura jacket.??? ??? ???
You look very corporate if you were the branded Endura jacket.??? ??? ???
Interesting article about US touring, made me ponder (for the first time ever) going there on a tour
And having met Pete at the Eskdalemuir control, and stood outside with him as we were under massive midge attack before he sent me inside to relative shelter and the job of getting shoes off and blue plastic covers on feet, I find it really interesting to read his account of being there.
... complaint about a helmet-less cyclist on the cover of the previous issue ... chapeau to everyone involved ..
... complaint about a helmet-less cyclist on the cover of the previous issue ... chapeau to everyone involved ..
Don't you start
Interesting article about US touring, made me ponder (for the first time ever) going there on a tour
Don't go there inAugustFogust. We experienced a lot of fog on US Pacific coast when we cycled from the top of Washington State, setting of near the end of July, and finishing in LA in mid September. Cycling along the Pacific coast in August wearing three layers, full fingered gloves & with the tail lights flashing begins to suck after more than a few days, especially when you know it is >30 °C a few miles inland.[/img]
Arrivee appears to lost in action again not sure if publication is now offset by a month. Does anyone have any news of it's arrival?
Arrivee appears to lost in action again not sure if publication is now offset by a month. Does anyone have any news of it's arrival?
Pretty sure it has moved one month forward, so it should be soon-ish
Mines just turned up. The move away from plastic packaging is a good one.
Chris Wilby can go on the list mind. ::-)
Mines just turned up. The move away from plastic packaging is a good one.
Chris Wilby can go on the list mind. ::-)
It's a can of rotting worms. Anecdote and unsubstantiated opinion never contribute anything positive to a letters page, not even humour in this case.
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
You’ll miss my contribution :'(
You’ll miss my contribution :'(
Yeah, that was the best bit!
It’s a shame the article was edited, I guess to save space, as I think (as you’d expect I would!) that the original version read betterer. Also some of the photos I submitted were left out, they were mostly of drinks and pubs.
Although I've no ambition to do LeJog this was a very well written article, full of useful stuff, but in an easy to read format. I hope it gets archived somewhere for the next nutter who wants to attempt this (and possibly my son and his wife)
It’s a shame the article was edited, I guess to save space, as I think (as you’d expect I would!) that the original version read betterer. Also some of the photos I submitted were left out, they were mostly of drinks and pubs.
That may be my fault, they asked me to add some extra features to my LEJOG article (just preceding yours).
Part of the purpose of the article is for anyone planning a LEJOG in 2018......and believe me, it takes a bit of planning. At least with my own local events I can test the route beforehand....although spending yesterday out riding to construct a route sheet and writing down the signposts at every junction is a chore not needed on LEJOG!
http://www.westerley.cc/may-day-chiltern-audaxes-theyre-back/
I'm blushing, very kind of you sir!
Although I've no ambition to do LeJog this was a very well written article, full of useful stuff, but in an easy to read format. I hope it gets archived somewhere for the next nutter who wants to attempt this (and possibly my son and his wife)
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Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
If I might say so, I think your comment is disrespectful! By all means throw Arrivee in the bin unread if you like and you just deprive yourself of what others might think is a great read. But this is a club magazine, put together lovingly by your club mates, in their spare time, for no payment, so you can imagine how your comments are received, and how much they appreciate your slap in the face. Are you a member of any other clubs, and are you any more supportive there?
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
I really enjoyed OD's article about dnfing, the towpath riding and the tour of the Pamirs. None of which are strictly audaxing, but all the better for that!
"Avoid Preston"
I think that being unkind about Preston merely reflects lack of route planning (as Frank implies). On an end-to-end, just drop down (eg using Wateringpool Lane) onto the old railway track which hosts NCN6 and follow the well signposted NCN all the way through town, across Moor Park, joining the A6 north of the M55. Do stop to admire the fantastic views up and down the Ribble: the route crosses the river on a motor-free bridge.
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
*Not a lejog*
I've toyed with the idea of trying to bypass Preston to the east, approach via Roach Bridge then through Brockholes on the guild wheel but the short section of A59 before you can get off under the M6 concerns me slightly
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
*Not a lejog*
I've toyed with the idea of trying to bypass Preston to the east, approach via Roach Bridge then through Brockholes on the guild wheel but the short section of A59 before you can get off under the M6 concerns me slightly
Just to put some perspective here, my comments were 'tongue in cheek'. The bits of Preston I went through were fine.....the only issue was the terrential rain and flash floods. It's just that every time I visit Preston something goes wrong..... I'm sure it's a very nice place.
Mind you, based on the data, probably not best to visit when I'm in town!
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
Using some of the A6 through Preston on my LEJOG this August, stopping at Bilsborrow Premier inn
Nothing here... I've got FOMO...
The back cover ... Invisibility cloak?
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The back cover ... Invisibility cloak?Yeah, when Dean sent it to me I was baffled, not seen anything like that before.
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It's looking better and better. The article on the last page will get mattc jolly bateyIf you've written in to slag off The Morris, I shall be jolly cross. :hand:
He was wearing a black gilet over a bright yellow jacket, and my camera couldn't cope with the yellow. Looks as though it just interpolated the background - I never noticed :facepalm:
He was wearing a black gilet over a bright yellow jacket, and my camera couldn't cope with the yellow. Looks as though it just interpolated the background - I never noticed :facepalm:
Looks like it was taken on a camera with an HDR mode which takes two frames at different exposure levels and stitches them together to hide the overexposed parts. Which works great as long as the subject isn't moving!
Does Arrivee exist anywhere online? I seem to have misplaced the latest issue before I got a chance to read it....
Mine has arrived.
Only had a cursory glance so far.
I note few Mileaters entered the >10,000 camp.
Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
You were working shifts as well?Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
So does HK & so did I.
Mine has arrived.The Mileater sec report said that >10k claims were up on last year, and I think he said mileages/claims were up overall. Purely FYI :)
Only had a cursory glance so far.
I note few Mileaters entered the >10,000 camp.
You were working shifts as well?Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
So does HK & so did I.
Our new letterbox just passed the Arrivée test.ah - very OT question: i've also just fitted a new letterbox... but is the brush supposed to go at the front or the back and is there a reason?
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
To divert this thread (slightly) I do wonder about the exclusivity of the two pages of advertorial. (60/61).
They shouldn't have been - all 38 names were submitted with the article... My copy isn't here yet so I'll see when it gets here...
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
Hope this helps.
:)
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
Hope this helps.
:)
I’m reading this about as fast as I cycle, but I really enjoyed Helen Karrane’s piece. There’s fantastic recollection of the sort of detail that I see as I ride and fail to put in what I write, and the sense that she’s doing something audacious is right there.
I think the piece about Kajsa Tylen is a bit untimely... The feat was done nearly two years ago and in the meantime it has been demolished by AC, who went over twice the distance.Can't please everyone, I enjoyed it, doesn't have to be a current record to be a good story. Different record, ride, regulation and story to Amanda Coker's anyway, though I'd be just as interested to read about that.
It's a bit like if PRO cycling published an article about Rohan Dennis' hour record now... ::-)
I’m reading this about as fast as I cycle, but I really enjoyed Helen Karrane’s piece. There’s fantastic recollection of the sort of detail that I see as I ride and fail to put in what I write, and the sense that she’s doing something audacious is right there.
Thanks! I'm blushing on this side of the Irish sea!
When it's just you and a bike and radio reception varies from valley to valkey then you have plenty of time to take in your environs.
I'm not sure if Arrivée wants/needs an Irish correspondent but I usually write something about most of my rides. It's howI learned about Audax from reading other's experiences.
I'd be quite happy to read an interivew with Rohan Dennis focusing on his hour record, but with a bit about his recent road-racing. (In Cyling Weekly OR Arrivee).I think the piece about Kajsa Tylen is a bit untimely... The feat was done nearly two years ago and in the meantime it has been demolished by AC, who went over twice the distance.Can't please everyone, I enjoyed it, doesn't have to be a current record to be a good story. Different record, ride, regulation and story to Amanda Coker's anyway, though I'd be just as interested to read about that.
It's a bit like if PRO cycling published an article about Rohan Dennis' hour record now... ::-)
Noticed the advert for a Web Content Manager near the back mind; I, and at least one other person, offered to do such a thing several years ago, nice to see AUK finally catching on...
Did my article make it in there? If so, could someone send me a piccy please, I'd like to see how it turned out.It did. Hence my comment above...
I seem to have deleted a bunch of my text. The advert is for a Web Content Manager, but in the copy it is for Editor(s). Two completely different positions IME.Noticed the advert for a Web Content Manager near the back mind; I, and at least one other person, offered to do such a thing several years ago, nice to see AUK finally catching on...
They've had one for quite a while, but the current one is leaving, hence the advert.
That you're so over it? I aim to please :demon:
If you could send me photomagraphic evidence by email if be much obliged m'lud.
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
Everesting on Arrivee? have we crossed a line? Is it not the exact opposite of a randonnee?
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
I know (for me anyway) there’s less climbing to the Witham ‘spoons start than the Tewkesbury one, they both have two coffee machines, and serve local beer!We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
We need some articles about headwinds, Wetherspoons, fixed gear ratios and so on. ACME and Cambridge Audax and Audax Club Lincolnshire, get scribbling over Christmas?
Non-audax features have appeared in many issues: touring, col-storming, etc.... and on balance I support this.
Non-audax features have appeared in many issues: touring, col-storming, etc.
To me a day-long spin class sounds far more arduous than Everesting or, say, Mille Penines; at least mentally. :demon:So not even worth a point. Pah!
I don't think Naish Hill is even 2 miles long but she did ride 125km in total.
Let's put it this way:
the furthest cycling activity from Audax is indoor cycling on a stationary bike, the second furthest is cycling around a track and the third furthest is Everesting.
Everesting does not recognise Audax, in the sense that you could climb 8848 vertical metres (or whatever is the altitude of Everest) as part of a randonnee but that would not count, so why should the Audax UK magazine endorse this activity with a cover quoting even George Mallory?
As for the challenge, it is beyond me, chapeau to anyone who Everested, but it has been done to death... once I looked whether there was a meaningful climb in the UK that had not been Everested yet and the answer is no, they've all been everested already...
I think Arrivee should be about long distance cycling, end of...
Rant over :P
Did my article make it in there? If so, could someone send me a piccy please, I'd like to see how it turned out.
Let's put it this way:
the furthest cycling activity from Audax is indoor cycling on a stationary bike, the second furthest is cycling around a track and the third furthest is Everesting.
Everesting does not recognise Audax, in the sense that you could climb 8848 vertical metres (or whatever is the altitude of Everest) as part of a randonnee but that would not count, so why should the Audax UK magazine endorse this activity with a cover quoting even George Mallory?
To me a day-long spin class sounds far more arduous than Everesting or, say, Mille Penines; at least mentally. :demon:
I don't think Naish Hill is even 2 miles long but she did ride 125km in total.
Not Audaxing at all. They may have met up only at controls. I have not checked the perm but guess there are precious few of them on that route..They were followed pretty much all the way. There is a mention of ‘... drove behind providing rolling protection from traffic’. Not Audax.
Because it's audacious?
As a lapsed Audaxer who's done some of the big rides [BCM/LEL/PBP] the concept of Everesting is an interesting one.
It's probably easier to ride an Audax that does 8848m+ climbing than it is to Everest a single climb to cover the same altitude gain.
Let's put it this way:-
If you don't get that then, in my opinion, I don't think you don't really get what Audaxing is about.
[ I didn't when I first started Audaxing. I do now. ]
I think arduous and audacious are not the same. The challenge of riding long distance outdoors is not limited to turning the cranks n times, the challenge of cycling indoors is all about turning the cranks n times.
I think arduous and audacious are not the same. The challenge of riding long distance outdoors is not limited to turning the cranks n times, the challenge of cycling indoors is all about turning the cranks n times.
I agree but Arrivee has always included some non-brevet stories which can be interesting glimpses into other worlds for tunnel-vision points chasers. As long as the recent balance of articles doesn't become the norm and audaxers continue to write some interesting articles, the magazine should remain worthwhile.
I've noticed a trend away from reporting on audax events in the past year or two, particularly calendar events, and towards overseas tours and general endurance cycling events (and DIY rides).
Is that because we aren't sending in enough articles singing the praises of UK based randonneur events, or is it an editorial decision?
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Agree, but as I have said a bunch of times, the keyword is not "audax" or "brevet" but "long distance cycling"... whatever fits into that description, it's Arrivee material
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I've noticed a trend away from reporting on audax events in the past year or two, particularly calendar events, and towards overseas tours and general endurance cycling events (and DIY rides).
Is that because we aren't sending in enough articles singing the praises of UK based randonneur events, or is it an editorial decision?
I suspect the former.
The only obvious editorial decision seems to be to promote long distance cycling among women, which is a good thing (as long as it doesn't become an obsession).
Obviously we all different reasons for reading Arrivee, in my case I want to know about rides and events I might be interested to do myself.
Obviously we all different reasons for reading Arrivee, in my case I want to know about rides and events I might be interested to do myself.
If you want to ride a randonnee in Japan, thanks to Arrivée you now have several handy hints for how to do that ;)
If I want to know about tubeless tyres or steel frames or everesting, there is a wealth of information available on the internet... that's where I normally go.
where folks rant forever about utterly pointless things
where folks rant forever about utterly pointless things
Isn't that what being a human being is all about? ;D
If I want to know about tubeless tyres or steel frames or everesting, there is a wealth of information available on the internet... that's where I normally go.
Yep - but getting an audaxer's perspective is always good.
It's not about what it's easy and what it's hard and it's not even about whether it is Audax or it is not, clearly it is not, but that is immaterial, we had cover prictures of people touring around the world, and that was great.
I am not even saying that Everesting is not interesting, I thought about going up and down Bwlch-Y-Groes myself.
What I am saying is that IT IS NOT a form of long distance cycling, simply because you are not going very far at all and you don't have to face the challenges of long distance cycling, here's a few...
-being stranded with a mechanical a long way from any help
-having to negotiate foul weather a very long way from any shelter
-navigating your way to the next control/village/refuge for the night
-managing your time so that you get to X before the control closes/before it gets dark/before the forecasted storm approaches
-making sure you carry enough food and water until the next control/village/gas station
Since AUK and therefore Arrivee promotes long distance cyling (which is all of the above and more), which is our very own USP, why should it promote Everesting, which is going up and down a mile stretch of road n times and is none of the above? :P
I'm sure the editor would welcome more copy from audaxers. I bet a conversation with him might result in a few creative tweaks to tell our stories in a fresh way. He's bound to be interested to hear directly suggestions about topics to cover - he's probably following his instinct about what we'd find interesting so steers on topics and thoughts about how to get them written must be a good idea. Personally, I would love to hear more about adventure racing and how audaxers experience these events, I'd be fascinated to know about some of the technical issues that come up (i'm experimenting with tubeless and would love to know what other people think) and to hear the outcome of the steel vs alloy debate that's been flying around on twitter.
She mentioned a total of 125km, so not as far as your guess but still further than some audaxes which get written up in Arrivee. Naish Hill is steep but short, like most of the hills round here. But it's still not an audax, even if the distance is similar. I'm not sure that necessarily disqualifies it from publication in Arrivee though.
BTW, I don't think you could do an DIY of 100 out and back laps. My understanding of the rules is that repeated laps are expressly disallowed; but I'll wait for someone who really knows the rules to confirm or refute that for certain.
Do read it. I know the hill and vaguely recognise some of the faces. That doesn't mean it's encouraged me to ride the hill! (there is a less steep back way :D)She mentioned a total of 125km, so not as far as your guess but still further than some audaxes which get written up in Arrivee. Naish Hill is steep but short, like most of the hills round here. But it's still not an audax, even if the distance is similar. I'm not sure that necessarily disqualifies it from publication in Arrivee though.
I'm looking forward to reading the article fully when I have the chance, it's not an Audax, but it's related to my interest of cycling a long way.
Pretty sure I've seen it mentioned a few times but I couldn't point you to chapter and verse. You could always read the regs when you have time and nothing better to do.QuoteBTW, I don't think you could do an DIY of 100 out and back laps. My understanding of the rules is that repeated laps are expressly disallowed; but I'll wait for someone who really knows the rules to confirm or refute that for certain.
I'm happy to be wrong about that. I haven't seen that specified anywhere when sorting out DIY's, is it hidden in the regs somewhere?
J
Do read it. I know the hill and vaguely recognise some of the faces. That doesn't mean it's encouraged me to ride the hill! (there is a less steep back way :D)
Pretty sure I've seen it mentioned a few times but I couldn't point you to chapter and verse. You could always read the regs when you have time and nothing better to do.
Even if it were allowed, to me it sounds pretty boring, which is just one of the reasons I'm happy to read about others Everesting but won't be doing it myself.
Because it doesn't have to just be going up and down a 1 mile stretch of road. Not to mention that if you wanted to, you could do a 200k DIY by doing 100 out and back runs down a single 1km length of road. Tho you may have to enter it by emailing the orgs, as the form doesn't allow that many controls by default. Conversely, if you could find a hill with say a 2500m total ascent over a 50km length, you could do an Everest attempt as a DIY, with the a start control, the top of the peak as your second control, the base as your 3rd, repeat for a total of 4 circuits. Do that within a 27hr time limit. Bingo, it's an Audax! AAA points too.
No you can't. Routes should not reuse the same roads in the same direction if at all possible, so repeated loops of a single circuit are not possible.
(The "if at all possible" bit is there in case you wanted to use one control as a base and do a bunch of separate loops but there were limited roads to/from that common control. You're OK re-using some roads just as minimally as possible.)
The DIY organiser is the first port of call on whether a route is suitable or not. I wouldn't expect any of the DIY organisers to allow a DIY route with obvious repeated loops. Something like Everesting, which requires the same road to be ridden again and again, is exactly the kind of thing the restriction was put in place to stop.
Don't think it's in the regs, I think the route guidance is part of the Organiser's Handbook (i.e. it was written at a time when DIYs didn't exist.)
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
If it's not in the regs, then surely the diy orgs would be turning down a ride that complies with the letter of the regulations, but does not comply with the spirit of them?
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
Who did you email? That doesn't sound like Ged (the managing editor). He's normally very responsive to readers' ideas.
... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinionWhat a drama queen! Some people disagree with you, and now you're spouting stuff like that. Hilarious!
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Whilst agreeing with Paulo in that it's just not Audax, I can't really see a reason why AUK couldn't promote this. It is after all long distance. I think Boxhill equates to nearly a 400km event. And it's got a be worth a couple of AAA points right?
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Whilst agreeing with Paulo in that it's just not Audax, I can't really see a reason why AUK couldn't promote this. It is after all long distance. I think Boxhill equates to nearly a 400km event. And it's got a be worth a couple of AAA points right?
It's worth 8.75 AAA points at least...
IIRC a certain Audaxer used to do hill repeats in the middle of DIYxGPS rides to increase the amount of AAA points they'd get for a ride. (Personally I don't think this should have been allowed but never bothered voicing a proper concern about it.)
What a drama queen! Some people disagree with you, and now you're spouting stuff like that. Hilarious!
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
That might simply come down to Everesting being more conducive to cover-quality photography than actual long-distance cycling...
I wouldn't worry unless they make a habit of it. Nothing wrong with the occasional article about something other than audax, if nothing else it makes people aware of what this thing people are doing they may not have heard of is all about.
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
Who did you email? That doesn't sound like Ged (the managing editor). He's normally very responsive to readers' ideas.
and @me.com address I got out the back of the last edition of Awoowoo. Sent from my gmail account.
J
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would love to read that article... have you thought of writing it? I don't think it would take you much research - asking around a few of your favourite events might also result in some nice pictures...
Go for it while the cold keeps you indoors
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
It's just another aspirational image featuring a young woman and her pretty bike - that's the third one in succession, I'm sick of them. As someone who is part of AUK's main demographic (neither young nor female) I feel alienated.
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would love to read that article... have you thought of writing it? I don't think it would take you much research - asking around a few of your favourite events might also result in some nice pictures...
Go for it while the cold keeps you indoors
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
It's just another aspirational image featuring a young woman and her pretty bike - that's the third one in succession, I'm sick of them. As someone who is part of AUK's main demographic (neither young nor female) I feel alienated.
I'm shite at riding a bike but i still do it!
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
No one expects you to be Flaubert.
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
His “Memoirs Of A Madman” was about Mille Cymru, so I believe
Three covers with women on them. Has anyone taken a look at all of the Arrivée/awoowoo covers to see how many since it started feature a woman?
Three covers with women on them. Has anyone taken a look at all of the Arrivée/awoowoo covers to see how many since it started feature a woman?
Depends what you mean by "feature" but - discarding shots of bunches that include women but nobody "features" - this century we have had these:
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I make that 15. If it's this century, that's 18 years, 4 per year. 15/72. or 20.8%.
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a075.jpg)
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I'm not entirely sure doing a 400 in December, discovering both McDonalds to be rammed, taking a dump in the bushes and/or the disaster that is the only ATM in town not saying where it is would be of interest to the general audience though.
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I failed to figure out the submission progress, I'd consider adjusting my blog write up for "Kingdom Come" the other weekend to suit AwooWoo if only I knew what was expected of submissions.
I'm not entirely sure doing a 400 in December, discovering both McDonalds to be rammed, taking a dump in the bushes and/or the disaster that is the only ATM in town not saying where it is would be of interest to the general audience though.
Fit the best!
This Awoowoo thread sums up AUK. Do you remain an organisation with a certain amount of exclusivity because of the activities you promote or do you try to broaden appeal and run the risk of losing direction and core membership (volunteer) loyalty? I know, yes, it's been said before, but there is nothing wrong, and a lot good for having hard boundaries as part of your U.S.P.
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
I make that 15. If it's this century, that's 18 years, 4 per year. 15/72. or 20.8%.
Which, to be fair, is a darn sight more than the mainstream cycling press.
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
If Arrivee covers over-represent anything, it's climbing. That's inevitable given the difficulty of taking a decent portrait shot of riding on the flat. It's also the reason why recumbents don't make the cover.
It's a magazine of stuff that might be interesting to AUK members. Doesn't even have to be about cycling.
I don't know why you're wishing for it to be duller.
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
With a bit of luck we'll have close to a 50:50 split on LWL next May.
It's a magazine of stuff that might be interesting to AUK members. Doesn't even have to be about cycling.
I don't know why you're wishing for it to be duller.
AUK is a broad church - we need to cater for the very dull too!
What the chances of a having a regular Q&A section in Arrivee? Qs in from members, answers from a panel of experienced audaxers...
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...Just ANY details of the actual facts/logistics of events would be handy in most cases! *
What the chances of a having a regular Q&A section in Arrivee? Qs in from members, answers from a panel of experienced audaxers...
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...
Forums are much better...
imagine the scenario... Mr A posts a question to the editor in October, so that he can have an answer in December, all being well. By then, he has probably browsed the web extensively and found the info he was looking for
I also suspect a lot of answers based on personal experience are just that... personal experience... is it transferrable? Sometimes, other times not
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...Just ANY details of the actual facts/logistics of events would be handy in most cases! *
But of course it is more work for the editors :-\
*Someone will no doubt tell me to Just Google It. But why have a printed article in the first place??
I hope some of the ideas on this tread make it into print...
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
All it needs is a glass of whisky in its paw. ;)
This is the first time I've not had an Awoowoo in about 10 years.
I guess I should do something with my lapsed membership. :-[
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
According to the stats on page 3 AUK lost 900 members - more than 10% - at the end of last year. How many of them as a result of the IT debacle and the Board’s subsequent contemptuous treatment of ordinary members I wonder?(with membership secretary hat on)
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
J
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI think I've been in two* full-page photos. Both were on 1000k+ rides that I finished with under 30mins in hand.
According to the stats on page 3 AUK lost 900 members - more than 10% - at the end of last year. How many of them as a result of the IT debacle and the Board’s subsequent contemptuous treatment of ordinary members I wonder?(with membership secretary hat on)
Some just forget, and some of those then remember and renew late. I expect a few who are prompted by a failure of Arrivee to arrive will check their membership and realise it has lapsed.
However the number that lapsed this year is no different to any other year, there is a significant turnover of members each year.
Some just forget, and some of those then remember and renew late. I expect a few who are prompted by a failure of Arrivee to arrive will check their membership and realise it has lapsed.
Oddly I've got the opposite problem; the arrival of Arrivee leaves me wondering if I somehow accidentally renewed my membership.... to Bears Monthly
... to Bears Monthly
Nice to see an interview with Helen Wyman, great to see Awoowoo reaching out beyond audax again.
Hope they didn't "waste" too much of our hard earned subs :P
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
J
Same was true of me when I rode though someone did snap me hugging Noel at the end of the Great Eastern...
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
Next edition, the bear necessities of Audax .
Redlight is a marsupial.Oi! I resemble that remark ;D
But where would you put your brevet card?
Don't seem to have my copy yet ☹️Just a quick reminder to Bludger and anyone else who hasn't received their copy, please contact me on membership@audax.uk (with your real name/number!) and I can check/resend the magazine as needed.
Ah, arrivée, that reminds me, could someone please tell me what is the correct email address to send any ride reports in please. Or if the person who does it is on here could they please pm me as to whether they got my email or not. Have sent one in but no idea if to the right place as never got a reply, although wouldn't have expected it to be in this one as it wasn't that long ago. Cheers.
Having just read the book ‘Bear Attacks: their causes and avoidance’, I would contest your viewpoint on black bears.
They are not as dangerous as grizzly bears, but with 23 deaths attributable to black bears between 1900 and 1980 in the US (half the number from grizzlies), they are certainly worth being cautious around. Indeed, 80% of deaths and major injuries inflicted by black bears are predatory in nature ... ie they are treating you as prey.
It is certainly worth understanding bear behaviour (as much as we can understand their sometimes unpredictable behaviour), and being prepared for bear encounters when in their territory.
You don't have to wear helmets for PBP or riding in France. You can still be cool 8)
No, open roads but lots of (tired) bike riders outnumbering the motor vehicles.
No, open roads but lots of (tired) bike riders outnumbering the motor vehicles.
...and most of them sitting on your back wheel as I recall.
Nice article from QG. It takes guts to revist the scene of a failure, and turn it into such a resounding success the second time.Superb article: I found it gripping to read.
My son just had a look at it with his graphic design eyes in.
...
Just curious, did anyone who's living in the Netherlands (or other non-UK country) receive their Arrivée yet?
Have any overseas members received theirs yet? Particularly interested in feedback from the Netherlands as I now have a couple of reports of non-delivery and before resending I just want to see if we have a generic problem I need to take up with the printer before I spend lots of AUK money on sending them again.
Have any overseas members received theirs yet? Particularly interested in feedback from the Netherlands as I now have a couple of reports of non-delivery and before resending I just want to see if we have a generic problem I need to take up with the printer before I spend lots of AUK money on sending them again.
Still nothing in Amsterdam.
J
Has publishing them online stopped these days?
I suspect my copy has fallen somewhere in between the cracks of changing my address and mail forwarding kicking in etc.
I don’t need a paper copy, but just went looking online, but equally, I never know which AUK website to use for what.
Anyone got a link to the latest issue?
Was delivered to my (Dutch) mailbox this morning :) Thanks for looking into the matter Caroline!
Peter
It has hasn't it?
Asks nervously hoping that the mailing all went smoothly....
I've got mine - it's another great issue.
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
50x15 on what size of tyre?What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe
J
1" gear = pi inches development = (0.0254 * pi) metres development. Hence, 7.18 metres development.I've got mine - it's another great issue.What's that in a real unit?
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
I've got mine - it's another great issue.Sorry, non-Audax digression:
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
My old friend, an auk and PBP ancienne of some note, asks where all the entertaining articles, self-deprecating and humorous, have gone; says it seems to be all po-faced macho description nowadays. Perhaps those silly Rapha films have had an influence.
A great front page, though.
A few years back I was riding Offa's Dyke 600. Had a bit of a 'mare on day one and got back to base at 400km around 6am. Had an hour's sleep and woke up to find the rain hammering down. I was just about to set out for the last 200 when Steve came in sans shoes carrying a wheel. He had got about three miles down the road, punctured and discovered he left his tyre levers at home, so ran back to base through the rain, with the wheel, in his socks cos you cannot run in road shoes. As it happens a large part of the field had already packed because, er, it was raining. Not Steve. Well 'ard!
A great front page, though.
A few years back I was riding Offa's Dyke 600. Had a bit of a 'mare on day one and got back to base at 400km around 6am. Had an hour's sleep and woke up to find the rain hammering down. I was just about to set out for the last 200 when Steve came in sans shoes carrying a wheel. He had got about three miles down the road, punctured and discovered he left his tyre levers at home, so ran back to base through the rain, with the wheel, in his socks cos you cannot run in road shoes. As it happens a large part of the field had already packed because, er, it was raining. Not Steve. Well 'ard!
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
I was actually hoping for metres of development. But 50 x 15, I can kinda understand.
J
Metres of development = pi x gear inches/39.37 so about 7.2 metres, which is a LOT...
90 X pi, divided by 39.37...
90 X pi, divided by 39.37...
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
I've been enjoying my copy today.
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
Probably because my article didn't get in ;)
In some of my early copies riders sent poetry in. Rather different to self-depracating, more intentional whimsy.
I don't often wish I was 70,...
Anybody interested?
Anybody interested?
Thanks VB, good to draw attention to that. Page 3.
(I do wish I was 70)
Mine arrived earlier this week. In my pile to read with the BMC summit magazine.Funny you mention that ...
Mine arrived earlier this week. In my pile to read with the BMC summit magazine.Funny you mention that ...
I've just got my 1st issue of Summit. It's like a different world! Totally unfair to make comparisons, but a MUCH more interesting read.
(and it has a lovely cycle-touring article O:-) )
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
I've been enjoying my copy today.
I don't often wish I was 70, but I was rather curious about the call for audax volunteers aged between the ages of 70-80 to take part in a study at Nottingham University.
"Participants well be required to cycle while lying in an MRI scanner".
Water off a ducks back for recumbent riders. Probably not great in numbers though!
Anybody interested?
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
Probably because my article didn't get in ;)
On page 12: "An Audax grandee was recently heard to describe the Mersey Roads 24 hour Time Trial as the easiest four points on the calendar".
Hey, that was me. I'm an Audax grandee! Although the article is about getting some serious distances done, even someone like me can give it a go and see how far they can get within 24 hours. Anyone used to riding overnight Audaxes should have a go at least once. You "only" need to complete 250 miles (400km) within the 24 hours to get 4 points.
Possibly Greg was using "grandee" to indicate Mike's status as an official in Audax UK? I think Mike's "defence" is fair enough in that you would get no climbing points for the Mersey route and you don't have any serious route-finding to do. And if you have support you don't even have to find anywhere to re-fuel and there are no information controls. You just have to ride, though 400k is in itself a big "just". Nevertheless, it is probably true to allude to it as the easiest "just" IN THE CALENDAR. But that in no way belittles the effort involved and Mike didn't seriously suggest that anyone could do it. (Mike is a better rider than he always suggests, anyway.)
I think Greg was just using a journalistic hook to start the article off. Slightly inaccurate (which is possibly why he didn't name Mike) but that's journalists for you! It's a good article, too.
Peter
So when do you graduate from 'grandee' to 'ancien'? I would have thought AUK/long distance cycling community is mercifully short of 'grandees'.Why?
I guess I regard 'ancien' (or 'ancienne') as more complimentary than 'grandee' which comes with (for me) light associations of entitlement. And long distance cycling, in UK anyway, seems attractively egalitarian (one seat, two legs) compared to other sports (Will Carling's 57 old farts comes to mind).Not by your definition!
Do you think we would benefit from more grandees, then?
I'll probably go back but it won't be for a good few years. Got my eye on 400 miles (or 600km if that doesn't work out).
(Already have the club record as no-one else has done a 24h TT.)
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It looks like another cracking edition.
Got to say I didn’t agree with Mr Lennox’s opinions on using turbo trainers. Indoor training for me has been an epiphany for general fitness and has made audax all the more enjoyable.
It’s 2020 and things change.
It looks like another cracking edition.
Got to say I didn’t agree with Mr Lennox’s opinions on using turbo trainers. Indoor training for me has been an epiphany for general fitness and has made audax all the more enjoyable.
It’s 2020 and things change.
Agree with you, especially in the current situation. Don't know about Peleton, which only seems to be online spinning sessions and variants thereof, but Zwift is a great community with riding of all disciplines possible, and has been a real asset for my training and far more enjoyable than plain turbo training - I would never go back to turbo training staring at just a Garmin screen now. And if you want/need fresh air, open the windows/garage door/etc.
Not read it yet, but spotted the crossword at the back. That's a nice addition.
It's not Awoowoo any more :'(
More like a padded insert ??:D ::-) ;D
Seems to me the paper is slightly different. A bit more mat, less glossy. It's probably cheaper but I actually think it's an improvement.
Seems to me the paper is slightly different. A bit more mat, less glossy. It's probably cheaper but I actually think it's an improvement.
I think the printing (font? colour? background?) is clearer and it's overall much easier to read. There's certainly less grey on grey.
Susurration
What a great word!
(Helen Kerrane's excellent piece)
Great crossword
Great crossword, and am having fun both trying to complete it AND fantasising about how to spend the £50 Wiggle I'm almost certainly not going to win, but it's all fun.5,3,2,4,1,6
Now then: am I correct in thinking there's an error in the clue to 31 across? Clue says 20 letters but there is space for 21 letters?
Amirite?
I remember my father used to do a crossword called the 'skeleton' where there were no black squares, you had to fill those in yourself.
One minor issue is the Komoot advert includes a discount code (yay) which expired in June (boo).
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...Has the picture I took on the A7 as we hammered it towards Longtown been used?
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Conspicuous absence of a recipe for badger, I noticed...
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...Has the picture I took on the A7 as we hammered it towards Longtown been used?
Trying to draft with a pheasants head bouncing around is amusing.
Latest is a marked improvement IMHO in terms of content and the design/layout :thumbsup:Hoe yesssss! /Churchilldog
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Conspicuous absence of a recipe for badger, I noticed...
Latest is a marked improvement IMHO in terms of content and the design/layout :thumbsup:Hoe yesssss! /Churchilldog
I've only briefly flicked through*, and 3 articles jumped out - all brilliant:
- Mille Cymru, and the horror that was The Pembrokeshire Coast Leg
- Roadkill (what more needs to be said?)
- Mental health, goals and failure. Great article El, audacious to submit it :thumbsup:
Thankyou to all 3 writers, and of course to the production team.
I'm sure there are other good bits, I just haven't got to them yet.
*Delayed by a long weekend in the Welsh Hills :)
... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11725919... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
:facepalm:
Is there an opt out for it. I never read it to be honest.There is (but no reduction in membership fees) - you can go to your membership details and tick the box to opt out. This is taken into account each time I compile the mailing list so it can be used for a long term opt-out, or a short term one (eg going away for a while and just want to skip one issue).
Ah OK, that works.https://www.openrunner.com/r/11725919... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
:facepalm:
'perm'itted.
Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6. This is the future! I've tested it on several of my Perms and it saves all the messing about with till receipts, or worrying about the garmin batteries. Now available for all the Wigley Perms Wigley Perms (http://www.delphcyclist.info/WigleyPerms.html), or at least the ones that are currently permitted.Does it work on a Nokia 6610?
Amen.Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6. This is the future! I've tested it on several of my Perms and it saves all the messing about with till receipts, or worrying about the garmin batteries. Now available for all the Wigley Perms Wigley Perms (http://www.delphcyclist.info/WigleyPerms.html), or at least the ones that are currently permitted.Does it work on a Nokia 6610?
Bikes are for escaping non-dumb phones.
Non-dumb phones can easily be dumbed down by putting them in airplane mode. As a bonus: the battery lasts longer.Doesn't stop all the applications working; airplane mode is like a laptop out of wireless range, it doesn't stop you doing all your work!
Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
The Rapha Festive 500 now can be done on Zwift from the comfort of your living room, so anything is possible
Is there an opt out for it. I never read it to be honest.There is (but no reduction in membership fees) - you can go to your membership details and tick the box to opt out. This is taken into account each time I compile the mailing list so it can be used for a long term opt-out, or a short term one (eg going away for a while and just want to skip one issue).
It used to need the opt-outer to write to me and then I had to manually remove people from the mailing list, but now it's a property of your membership record which makes it much easier.
The Rapha Festive 500 now can be done on Zwift from the comfort of your living room, so anything is possible
That takes all the spirit out of it...
Don't worry, if you do it in Zwift they won't send you a badge.
They don't send out badges anymore, zwift or road...
E-bike threads:Yes, why not... 2020 has rewritten the rulebooks and the world is changing fast, why not having a separate category for ebikes?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
An EC BR? Not after BRECxit!Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Has anyone outside of the UK (the Netherlands in particular) received the latest issue yet? Christmas/covid/brexit are not helping speedy expedition of course, but still.
Seems like many members outside of the UK haven't received their copy. It's difficult at this stage to know whether it's an issue with post in each country, whether they are stuck somewhere with Royal Mail in the UK or whether there was an issue at the mailing house used by the printers. Investigations have been initiated.
It's a typo on the AUK web site.It isn't now
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
pages 17 to 20 (and the corresponding pages on the other side of the staples) as they are badly misaligned.
The dogs and bears issue.
My copy arrived yesterday, and as ever I am looking forward to sitting quietly and reading it. It seems there was a problem with pages 17 to 20 (and the corresponding pages on the other side of the staples) as they are badly misaligned. I very much suspect that this will be a one off but, anybody else have an issue?
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
;D ;D ;D
the irony isn't lost on me...
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Outrageous! All that space wasted on non-long-distance cycling that could have been taken up with yet another report on PBP
Is the 'Superwheel' on page 7 an April Fool?
Didn't make Arrivee so it is making this thread. A tribute to Liz Creese also known as 'the Mistress', 'the marmite queen', 'Aunty Lizzy'. The lady AUK rider in who's tyre tracks I followed egged on by Rocco with the occasional gift of Bertie Bassessts for keeping my bike on the road. Without Liz, Rocco and JJ 'I used to be Jon Jennings, now I am just the front of the tandem' I wouldn't be here still riding and enjoying brevets. And yes I ride rando and audax!
Liz's 300 which ran for about 4 editions and has become affectionately known as 'the Mistress' 300 appeared in my first SR in 1999 and then in my 20th SR last year.
http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/ (http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/)
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
Your mail is faster than mine (even though we live only 2km apart), but Arrivée has also arrived in my remote suburb.
Didn't make Arrivee so it is making this thread. A tribute to Liz Creese also known as 'the Mistress', 'the marmite queen', 'Aunty Lizzy'. The lady AUK rider in who's tyre tracks I followed egged on by Rocco with the occasional gift of Bertie Bassessts for keeping my bike on the road. Without Liz, Rocco and JJ 'I used to be Jon Jennings, now I am just the front of the tandem' I wouldn't be here still riding and enjoying brevets. And yes I ride rando and audax!
Liz's 300 which ran for about 4 editions and has become affectionately known as 'the Mistress' 300 appeared in my first SR in 1999 and then in my 20th SR last year.
http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/ (http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/)
I’m surprised that only supportive letters were sent to the publication, knowing the usual diversity of opinion we enjoy.
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Outrageous! All that space wasted on non-long-distance cycling that could have been taken up with yet another report on the Bryan Chapman.
Talking of fuss... I was intrigued by the 'Notes for contributors' on p4 and can't help wondering if that was inspired by disgruntled feedback. I wholly support Ged's stance on contributions. He's a very experienced editor who knows what he is doing.
Without wanting to comment on LWaB and HK's situation, it does sound like Ged's been getting some articles where the contributor hasn't heard of editing for length and clarity, and has made a fuss when not every comma is preserved. Keep up the good work Ged!
It's also worth remembering that AUK has grown considerably in recent years and the majority of members probably don't have clue (or care) who nicknames from a quarter of a century ago, or longer, refer to. Arrivee is intended as a magazine for all the membership, not a clique.
Could someone who frequents Facebook please post the same message there.
It was nothing to do with a YACF name.
I can wait this editor out. I am in long distance cycling for the long haul, he is not.
Cycling in general, and Audax in particular, has a proud and long history of creating “ nicknames “. It’s part of the glue that holds the community together. We aren’t unique in this of course; the reporting of many sports and activities is riddled with them.
Cycling in general, and Audax in particular, has a proud and long history of creating “ nicknames “. It’s part of the glue that holds the community together. We aren’t unique in this of course; the reporting of many sports and activities is riddled with them.
Also a hallmark of terrible exclusionary bro culture, which many sports are also riddled with.
The magazine should reflect the membership, not just the editor.
It's also worth remembering that AUK has grown considerably in recent years and the majority of members probably don't have clue (or care) who nicknames from a quarter of a century ago, or longer, refer to. Arrivee is intended as a magazine for all the membership, not a clique.
This.
Unfortunately, 99% of the membership don't have an account on YACF, so you don't get to hear their voices. It is true that this seem to be a place for Audaxers with 4 digits in their membership number, who tend to go on about things nobody else has a clue about.
If the author thinks the story is worth publishing, then what is the big deal about putting their name on?
It seems to me a case of coming to an agreement and fix the article so that it fits the editorial criteria, rather than kicking a big fuss about trivialities...
The Editor has changed the title of my articles twice, without telling me... did I complain? No, firstly because it's his job to make sure things fit with the editorial lines, and secondly because, when it comes to think of it, his titles are actually better than mine.
Just fix it and get it published, I am sure a lot of folks want to read it
The magazine should reflect the membership, not just the editor.
Maybe the editor knows the membership better than you do?
Out of 7,000, how many do you actually know? 50?
What do you know about the 6,000 or so who don't ride brevets regularly, or ever?
I have certainly met more AUK members than the editor has. I joined AUK in 2002 and normally ride 10-20 calendar brevets each year, spread around the countryside. I could probably recognise a few hundred by sight (particularly if they are on their bikes) but my memory for names is abysmal.
Names are not significant unless they mean something to the reader, and that's usually only the case if you know the person. This applies equally to full, formal names as nicknames. For instance, picking two names from this issue, I know (at least vaguely) who Steve Poulton is but Rob Norris is, well, just a name to me. He could equally well be called "Gasbear" (from his Bristol Rovers teddy – their fans are called Gas Heads) without taking anything away from the story.
A few more stories about and by AUK characters would be good. The UK is world-renowned for its eccentrics and enthusiasts and AUK’s magazine should celebrate those who manage to ride a long way
Cheers, Andy - your events are certainly full of "scenery", which makes ther writing easier than the riding!
A few more stories about and by AUK characters would be good. The UK is world-renowned for its eccentrics and enthusiasts and AUK’s magazine should celebrate those who manage to ride a long way, particularly if written in a witty manner. There seem to be enough of them riding brevets.
A bit less of the plodding reports “...and then I did this and something else happened.”
I think the combination of both real and nickname can be OK - so using Cudzo's example "Rob Norris (known to his audax friends as Gasbear)", or some similar wording, would be fine for me and would enable me potentially to associate the two names for future reference.
As is often the case, context and specific wording is key, rather than hard and fast rules like "no nicknames" - but beware of potential alienation if not done in the right way.
I thought about this but for me I think a nickname on its own conveys an expectation that it should mean something to me, whereas a real name doesn't - I can just think do I know him/her or not. I remember someone after an event telling me about some exploits which involved "nickname x" (a prolific audaxer) but at the time I had no idea who it was. The nickname meant nothing to me and so it seemed rather cliquey, and made me feel that I was a real outsider as I probably should know who he was.
I think the combination of both real and nickname can be OK - so using Cudzo's example "Rob Norris (known to his audax friends as Gasbear)", or some similar wording, would be fine for me and would enable me potentially to associate the two names for future reference.
As is often the case, context and specific wording is key, rather than hard and fast rules like "no nicknames" - but beware of potential alienation if not done in the right way.
Some thought needs to be given to the balance between the editor’s intent to produce a highly polished publication and the membership’s desire to read a range of their compatriots’ stories, even if some of them would not make the cut in a newsagent’s magazine.
Like it or not, AUK and audaxing has some history and, for me, finding out that history encouraged me further into audaxing. I enjoyed learning that McNasty won a Scottish 24hr decades ago with a distance that would still get him a top-ten place now and that he did some phenomenally tough brevets and roughstuffing. For you, that doesn’t apply but for some others, it might be interesting too. Eliminating those sorts of stories on an editor’s whim seems undesirable.
not many know what a fuxxing Audax Hotel is
As a matter of fact, I have an interest in TT, so I would be interested in this sort of stories too.
But as the editor says, keep them real... not many know what a fuxxing Audax Hotel is...
I've only flicked through so far but was pleased by the absence of a baking section and of a health section, thus leaving more space for articles about actual bike rides.
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
If I had my druthers everything resembling a ride report would be verboten, or at least have to strongly justify its existence.
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
While Arrivee may now be more polished, a growing number of member submissions are falling by the wayside.
The exceptions are those rides on which something outrageous or unique occurs to make the ride a story in itself - the one that always springs to mind is George Berwick finishing a German 1200 with his frame held together by drinks tins and zip ties. That was a superb report.
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
FYI McNasty is George BerwickI think you'll find it's the other way round.
FYI McNasty is George BerwickI think you'll find it's the other way round.
While Arrivee may now be more polished, a growing number of member submissions are falling by the wayside.
Can you give some evidence to support this statement, please. Aside from HK's piece, which had been sub-edited and laid out as a double page spread before she withdrew it, and another which she withdrew before it had reached that stage in the process, I'm aware only of two - Arabella's, which appears to have gone astray and I will ask Ged to check on, and one by another contributor who, again, withdrew it after edits were suggested.
FYI McNasty is George Berwick
FYI McNasty is George Berwick
Apparently Cycling Plus magazine has a feature on him this month.
That is an excellent intention, Mr Light. (and well said Mr grams!)
If I had my druthers everything resembling a ride report would be verboten, or at least have to strongly justify its existence.
Ride reports that give some practical information about the ride - what the route is really like, whether there are places to get bonk rations between widely-spaced controls, whether certain parts get busy with traffic at unexpected times of day (on perms) can be both interesting and useful in helping a would-be rider decide whether to try an event for themselves. This is particularly the case with some perms, where the information available prior to entry is minimal.
There used to be some guidance to this effect (maybe in the old handbook?) for would-be contributors and perhaps it's time to revisit that, either on Audax.Uk or in the magazine.
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Exceptionally petty school playground stuff. :thumbsup:
I think he's saying that's the kind of stuff he wants to see in Arrivée.Exceptionally petty school playground stuff. :thumbsup:
Welcome to YACF ;D
(It gets much worse further down the Board)
Will it read: cancelled;cancelled;cancelled, etc.? Or must we wait and see?!;D
Audax Oz eventually stopped publishing their magazine ‘Checkpoint’ a few years ago and their organisation still continues. A pity IMHO but obviously reflecting their members’ collective valuation of the magazine’s importance.
Audax Oz eventually stopped publishing their magazine ‘Checkpoint’ a few years ago and their organisation still continues. A pity IMHO but obviously reflecting their members’ collective valuation of the magazine’s importance.
Sad to hear that. For some years we had a reciprocal arrangement between Checkpoint and Arrivee whereby each could re-print articles from the other.
An outstanding contributor was Kay Dence ...
(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/kay_dence.jpg)
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.
I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.
I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.
If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.
That's in the latest issue. IN the next one it can be Zen and the Art of E-cycle Maintenance.It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...
I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...
The missing text is:. various aches and pains. The TSR has good luggage capacity and as I would be camping, I used a trailer as well to make packing easier.
The Good Bits -
- a stream of red bike lights stretching out as far as I could see. (I was in the group that started at 9.20pm)
- chatting to another participant, I asked about the different colour number and found out that he had taken part in every previous event
- seeing another cyclist on a shopper bike, serenading us with music from a large radio ...
I saw two fellas on a ride once that were 80 and 76, a little feeble but tricked out in full kit and having a whale of a timetelling people how old they were.
What's with the "target locked" graphics on the photos in the latest edition? Particularly on p46, where the line cuts right through the rider and his bike, but also the other photos in that article.
On the whole, Arrivee is well designed as well as well written. Better designed than CUK's Cycle magazine, on what I imagine is a far smaller budget. I just found the "target boxes" rather disruptive.
Talking about smells, Dave Twitchett's article (Smoke Signals) has interesting photos, but text that has only a vague connection to them, or Audax come to that - it'd probably be a good article for the VCC magazine though.
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
Me too. In fact I'm quite addicted to the smell. It must be genetic.
I quite like the smell - sorry!
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!
Audax in a nutshell.
Looks like a bumper issue!At work everyone is now referred as they by default, I am one of the few that still use he and she… I almost make a point of it… ;D
New graphics.
An article by a woman named Jeffery has reinforced need to give pronouns (for which I've been too lazy so far.)
I expect it will arrive in due course with several more days post all at once at some time in the next month or so.My kind and cheerful postman popped mine through to flap today (NYE).
I can smell mine this time.
Some really nice well written articles in this edition, 'no cyclist is an island' by James Bradbury was especially thought provoking.
...I’ll also setup my calendar 400 as a E-Brevet only perm after it runs this year. It wouldn’t work with traditional pop as there aren’t suitable receipt replacements for some of the info locations.An eBrevet only perm you say? Good to hear the changes to perm policy are being put to use already.
I'm delighted to report that the caption for the cover picture "a lethal day out" is a bit of journalistic hyperbole and that no Audaxers were harmed in the running of the Winter Solstice. I did like reference to the "wonderful" Mike Wigley in the article though and Iike to think that that bit of reporting is closer to the mark.Having taken said cover image i can confirm the conditions were not "lethal" but mainly just cold and wet with frozen puddles on othewise well gritted main roads
Mike
Isn't that standard for all editorials/opinion pieces?Perhaps a certain ex-goal hanger could have added to his 'opinion piece' "NB this is my view and in no way represents the impartial balanced approach of any of my employers".
it's been a while since I sent an article, do they all go to Ged now irrespective of which season edition?yes
Editorials and opinion pieces don't tend to state thy, its just expected that you the reader know that it is a personal piece not the publications line.
I wasn't. But I'm not vegetarian. (& crucified makes it sound worse, imo)Which pic and I'll give my considered opinion
Meanwhile, I have my picture in it this time :D . On a bike with proper gears and everythink. :P
"Does my bum lookbiggood in this?"
I wasn't. But I'm not vegetarian. (& crucified makes it sound worse, imo)
I was shocked by the picture of the "crucified" deer.
Agreed - I'm unsure what the photo adds to the story.I was shocked by the picture of the "crucified" deer.
It's hung in the usual way for butchery. It was road-kill, not clubbed to death by the rider. Having said all that, I think it was a poor editorial decision to include it.
Anyone else outside the UK still waiting for the butcher's edition of Arrivée?
Anyone else outside the UK still waiting for the butcher's edition of Arrivée?
Hasn't made it to my side of NL yet...
J
I have heard it has arrived in Germany, so maybe it is a Netherlands thing. If you don't have it by the end of the week please email me (I do know who you are really, but an email means it goes onto my to-do list) and I will send a replacement.Zuidlaren did not receive this edition as well. You will get an e-mail from Mark H.
It should be with all UK members by now, so drop me a mail and I will send a replacement. Given we send around 7500 copies out it is almost inevitable that a small number go astray.Le magazine est arrivé aujourd'hui.
An empty envelope arrived in my Dutch mailbox today. Rather neatly damaged on the full left-hand side edge ???; I suppose some Postal Person is now enjoying the magazine.
(no need to re-send, I'll read the online version once it's available)
An empty envelope arrived in my Dutch mailbox today. Rather neatly damaged on the full left-hand side edge ???; I suppose some Postal Person is now enjoying the magazine.
(no need to re-send, I'll read the online version once it's available)
Got my copy on Tuesday . . . and they've reintroduced the ink smell at the printers . . . . . . . it really is awful so my copy has been banished to the garage by Mrs robgul.I have a lot of copies in the house and haven't noticed an odd odour. Normally I have got a good sense of smell........
Got my copy on Tuesday . . . and they've reintroduced the ink smell at the printers . . . . . . . it really is awful so my copy has been banished to the garage by Mrs robgul.
The smell might be from copies first off the press where the ink hadn't fully dried or cured before packing.