Post by: thing1 on 15 September, 2017, 12:12:33 am
I think we'd fly over from USA just for this one (if we weren't already planning to be in UK by next Summer)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2017, 07:30:29 am
Post by: αdαmsκι on 15 September, 2017, 08:04:02 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2017, 08:53:27 am
Ah crap. That means it'll be during school holidays and I won't have any excuse not to enter.
Likewise... although it might be too big for me. I need to see how I do in the BCM... but by then it might be too late to enter the Mille... on the other hand I hate to enter events and then DNS (even more so when they are 70 quid or so)... dilemmas... ??? ???
Post by: andyp on 15 September, 2017, 10:43:12 am
Likewise... although it might be too big for me. I need to see how I do in the BCM...
Unless you're being super modest, in general, I think if you have to see how you do on the BCM then you won't make it round the MC1K... Last time I'd finished the KSW600 in daylight, having had 90 minutes sleep in Bude ...and I only just made it round (15 minutes to spare) sleep was 1hr night 1, plus 1.5hrs, plus 40minutes.
It was brutal.
The BCM goes north / south the easy way up all the valleys, and the fast way down them, the MC1K feels like it crosses them East/West and back again. And has a loop along the coast which is along a windy beach, up a headland, down a headland, along a windy beach [repeat] ... the drop out rate was high last time – You just can't 'will' your way around this one, the hills are really steep, and frequent.
Post by: andyp on 15 September, 2017, 10:58:48 am
Mille Cymru
I thought that having done the Bryan Chapman I'd done a really hard ride in Wales, and that compared to Wessex, Wales wasn't that hard. Er no. The MC1K was really hard. It was a ride that hammered your legs with constant successions of steep hills that have you out of the saddle, and needing to lay down power for a long time to get to the top. It was also a ride with amazing views, a great spirit amongst the riders, and great controls.
The first day was superb. However, arriving at the night control well after 1am, in a fair sized group of competent cyclists (so not that slow), I was 3 hours behind my planned ETA and (after quickly eating, showering, and changing) had only time for an hours sleep to get back on schedule to set out at dawn. And I still hadn't yet fully comprehended what was in store.
But on day 2, after only a few hours pedalling, we turned left out of an innocuous valley on to a steady climb, which turned into a steep, long climb, which turned into a mountain, that kept climbing and climbing into the clouds above, and I finally started to realise this was going to be really very hard.
By the evening of a hard day two, after a never-ending series of 20%+ leg testers around the Pembrokeshire coast, we finally reached the amazing 'van of delights' control as the sun began to set. I felt happily punch drunk on the combination of achievement, views, exhaustion, sun, and sleep depravation. After missing the rain while shopping in Carmarthen Tesco @ 10pm we headed North through the darkenss, up the long steady climbs on wet roads back to the night control, not much further behind schedule, which was good. How hard could day 3 be?
Most people at the control ahead of me, which meant it was quiet: enough time to quickly shower and change, sleep for an hour and a half, before getting up, out, and off out again in the damp grey dawn for the Devils Staircase.
Tired and quite slow, the next couple of hours were a highlight of the ride: regrouped overnight, the slower riders (like me) set off earlier, the faster ones sleep longer, and catch us - pretty much everyone saw everyone again on the way to Tregaron, as the sun rose over the dew-covered mountains.
The first control was ridiculous: approaching, it was clear there was something (else) epic ahead: with only 3km to go the very fastest riders were just passing me on the retrace to join the route - they'd overtaken me a long long time ago. And so it was - a steep long climb out of a valley to a ridge, right, and a 500m of vertical descent down a tiny lane to an ancient farm house at the bottom of the same valley. Park. Control. Eat. Drink. And retrace.
I did check that John Hamilton doesn't cycle round Wales asking people at the bottom of massive hills if they'd be a control and (although he might do that) in this case the home owner was an audaxer.
So as I set off, for the first time ever, my bike got pushed. I've often ridden at the same speed as people pushing, but it'd always been a badge of honour that my audax bike had never been pushed. But this was so steep, my legs were already very tired, and there was a long, long, long way to go. I had thought it'd be many years before I had to push, and didn't expect to be anything like as happy about it when the day came. This ride was superbly hard. In a perverse way it felt great to be in the midst of such a challenge that was testing me harder than ever.
Then came the long valley climb to the reservoirs of Rhyader, and then the thousand steep valleys on the road to Llandios, and then the enormous hulk of a mountain to Machynlleth, and finally the beautiful rolling coast of north wales at sunset towards and the van of delights. Barmouth bridge, with a big group, and then heading off up a valley to Snowdonia.
But now I was tired, and worried: when planning the ride I'd figured I'd be at the night control at around midnight. But at 11, instead of heading up from Llanberis over the final pass of the day, I was still pedalling up a hill far from LLanberis, indeed still heading North, and clearly going to be on the road until well after 2am.
That was hard. I decided to pack at the next control. I promised myself if I finished I could DNS the 24hr TT, which helped. Eventually, I tried to stop thinking about how hard it was, and just pedal. That worked.
At the Northern most point info control our little group joined up with a couple more, and we all finally turned South East again. It was a great relief: now every turn of the pedals was heading us in the direction of the finish and with a murmur of chat which made the miles pass, we pedalled on.
My light batteries died at the bottom of the pass at Llanberis - it being over an hour after I'd been expecting to stop. By the time new batteries were found, and the old removed and changed, the group had gone. I had the pass to myself.
A beautiful quiet starlit night, pedalling up and up in the darkness with the front light off, only the grey starlight, and shadows of the night. No wind. Silence. It could have been a low point, but it was the opposite: a real highlight of the ride. The group waiting for me at the top, resting on the benches, was the spirit of this event.
Fast descent to the final night control, full to the brim with sleeping cyclists. Whispers, blankets, tea, food, and a corner to sleep.
I calculated just 40 minutes sleep would have to do: longer would mean the average speed for the last 100km might be unsustainable through the relentless terrain... and so our group set off in the cool dawn light, pretty much the whole ride setting off within an hour of each other and spreading out into a long thin line on the climb after the first info control.
After a few more stiff climbs, a quick early morning coffee at a farmer's roadside cafe before Bala, kind of revived our tired group, and then off to climb Bwlch y gros.
Vernwy control, just in time, and then off with the other stragglers to chase back to Upton. Even though I was within the Els Vermulen 'always achievable 6 hours for the last 100km window' it was a fairly frantic start, but as the descents continued, the climbs shortened, the flats lengthened, and our average speed picked up, the sense of urgency fell away.
The last 50k we were down to a group of 3 working together, we metered out the effort to finish in time. “Precision audaxing!” I said 500m from the end, with 15 minutes in hand, disbelieving shakes of the heads from my two companions. We had dug deep.
We were the last 3 to control in time. 2 more out of time, and almost 30 DNFs behind them.
Mille Cymru was a relentlessly hard adventure. Stunningly beautiful route, excellent controls, lovely volunteers, and a great atmosphere on the road, much bolstered by the superbly crafted night-time regroup.
I had significantly underestimated the challenge: it left me feeling even more wrecked than my first sleepless finishing-just-in-time Wessex 4 and 600's – despite the thousands of long-distance and AAA miles I've done since – and is, of course, all the more satisfying a memory because of that.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 15 September, 2017, 11:06:43 am
I did the BCM LAST year. I finished at 18.30 having spent a relaxed 7 hours in a B&B in Penrhyndeudraeth. Do I stand a chance of completing this? Aim sure I read the mille cymru is not as hard as mille penines. Or is it harder? 17000metres and the description above makes it sound very hard.Likewise... although it might be too big for me. I need to see how I do in the BCM...
Unless you're being super modest, in general, I think if you have to see how you do on the BCM then you won't make it round the MC1K... Last time I'd finished the KSW600 in daylight, having had 90 minutes sleep in Bude ...and I only just made it round (15 minutes to spare) sleep was 1hr night 1, plus 1hr, plus 40minutes.
It was brutal.
The BCM goes north / south the easy way up all the valleys, and the fast way down them, the MC1K feels like it crosses them East/West and back again. And has a loop along the coast which is along a windy beach, up a headland, down a headland, along a windy beach [repeat] ... the drop out rate was high last time – You just can't 'will' your way around this one, the hills are really steep, and frequent.
Post by: JonB on 15 September, 2017, 11:55:56 am
Likewise... although it might be too big for me. I need to see how I do in the BCM... but by then it might be too late to enter the Mille... on the other hand I hate to enter events and then DNS (even more so when they are 70 quid or so)... dilemmas... ??? ???
I'm pretty sure that I've seen some references to your times on previous rides and if memory serves they're very quick, reckon you'll be fine on the BCM and MC.
I did the BCM LAST year. I finished at 18.30 having spent a relaxed 7 hours in a B&B in Penrhyndeudraeth. Do I stand a chance of completing this? Aim sure I read the mille cymru is not as hard as mille penines. Or is it harder? 17000metres and the description above makes it sound very hard.
7 hours in a B&B :o 7 HOURS :o :o ... jeez the one time I completed BCM I got a couple of hours kip and finished with a couple in hand, you'll be fine. Think I'll be giving it a go and logging the same sort of schedule that Andy P describes (at best)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2017, 12:30:21 pm
Ha! So. Worried I might have exaggerated I wondered if I'd written an email with the sleep etc. recorded, and found an account of the ride I'd ridden... I don't think I posted it anywhere, and reading it now it feels like it captures some small part of the huge effort involved. for me it was the hardest thing I've ever ridden. That 3rd night was so hard. and so slow. there were a couple of hours I was broken and sure I'd pack when I got to the control. Anyway ladies and gentlemen, if you've got time spare, pull up a chair: this is what I made of the last MC1K:
I did look at your ride on Strava a few days ago, among that of others. Your average moving speed was very low, which makes things harder, as you are constantly chasing and never have time to rest, which in turn makes you more tired and slower. Chapeau for completing!!
My comment about the BCM is I want to see what is my average moving speed... if it's 24 km/h, then I have a fighting chance to keep the average above 20 in the MC1K, if it's 21 or 22, then I would be in the same position as you were, struggling to average 18. At this stage, it is a question mark.
I know over a similar terrain to the MC1K I can keep 22-23 km/h moving speed for 200 km, but that obviously is not sustainable over longer distances. That is however the golden ticket, as it gives you plenty of time to rest. I've done a few calculations (admittedly inspired by Peter Lewis article about LEL on Arrivee) and worked out that below 20 km/h moving speed, it becomes too much of a struggle, constantly being on the "out of time" line.
This is my Peter Lewis inspired BCM chart... green line is 24 km/h, red line is 20 km/h 30-45 min stop at each control except the night, which I planned at 4+2. It's a simplistic model that assumes constant speed. Peter's model was far more advanced
(https://i0.wp.com/whosatthewheel.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/bmc-chart.jpg)
Post by: hillbilly on 15 September, 2017, 12:38:39 pm
I feel the kindlings of want, for the precious MC1K. That said, based on last time, if I decide to do it I won't be doing any other Welsh rides (or at least very few) in 2018 as by the time I did John's ride I was bored of Cymru and packed through lack of motivation.
Post by: andyp on 15 September, 2017, 12:53:30 pm
I did the BCM LAST year. I finished at 18.30 having spent a relaxed 7 hours in a B&B in Penrhyndeudraeth. Do I stand a chance of completing this?
yes. if you're in the same shape, no problem: with me as a benchmark of only just finishing with a Wessex series, and finishing a KSW with 3hrs to spare, and 90 mins sleep under my belt that year means that that sort of form – + Mille Pennines experience – would be absolutely fine.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 15 September, 2017, 01:06:32 pm
To be clear I don't have mille pennies experience. The only 1000km I have ridden was Rondon Luxemburg which I found surprisingly hard. Although losing my main front light between st Pancras and brussels was a major factor. (Relying on headlight was ok until it ran out of juice on night 2 leaving me emergency bivvying arriving at my planned sleep control 5 mins inside time in the morning,) and deciding to pack during atrocious weather on day 3 before recovering to finish.I did the BCM LAST year. I finished at 18.30 having spent a relaxed 7 hours in a B&B in Penrhyndeudraeth. Do I stand a chance of completing this?
yes. if you're in the same shape, no problem: with me as a benchmark of only just finishing with a Wessex series, and finishing a KSW with 3hrs to spare, and 90 mins sleep under my belt that year means that that sort of form – + Mille Pennines experience – would be absolutely fine.
I think BCM is not as hard as the southwest 600s mainly because the descents are benign, yes there is a lot of climbing, but all that height gets fed back to you at a reasonable rate, so no throwing it all away braking on steep twisty descents. This is key to maintaining a good average speed i think.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2017, 01:11:44 pm
I think BCM is not as hard as the southwest 600s mainly because the descents are benign, yes there is a lot of climbing, but all that height gets fed back to you at a reasonable rate, so no throwing it all away braking on steep twisty descents. This is key to maintaining a good average speed i think.
It's typically the advantage of Welsh rides over those in the North and South West. Little joy climbing Honister, Hardknott and Wrynose, as the descent is just as slow and painful. On the other hand Llamberis pass ;D
Post by: vorsprung on 15 September, 2017, 02:36:31 pm
I read the mille cymru is not as hard as mille penines. Or is it harder? 17000metres and the description above makes it sound very hard.
I've done the Mille Cymru successfully and the first day of the Mille Pennines. I'd say they are similar in difficult of climbing and roads but (I'm sure Andy won't mind me saying this) the Mille Cymru is slightly better organised with a nicer sleep stop control. I didn't realise there was a Mille Cymru next year. I want to have another shot at the Mille Pennines. Too little time, too many rides
Post by: andyp on 15 September, 2017, 02:54:58 pm
...which I found surprisingly hard.yep. that's what I find too: For me it's the extra night out at 600km pace which makes 000's hard. MC1K was/is 20km over distance too, which is basically at least an hour less sleep as well.
I think BCM is not as hard as the southwest 600s mainly because the descents are benign, yes there is a lot of climbing, but all that height gets fed back to you at a reasonable rate, so no throwing it all away braking on steep twisty descents. This is key to maintaining a good average speed i think.The thing that the MC has in common with the Wessex rides is the huge number of like-being-kicked-in-the-quads 20%+ climbs. If you're not ready for/able to do them, they just sap your strength in the way than an alpine-like drag never will. John might come along to tell me I'm wrong, but word on the ride was that around 20% packed on the first night after 268km... and I think the overall DNF rate was over 30% :o
Another trip down memory lane, my photos of the last one here: http://bit.ly/2x20fmP (http://bit.ly/2x20fmP). It is awesome.
Anyway, great incentive to ride over the winter to build fitness, lose weight, and to do the Wessex series in the spring. It nearly broke me, but I loved it, and I'll be on the start line if at all possible :thumbsup:
Post by: GPS on 15 September, 2017, 03:24:23 pm
Looks like it was a 'four seasons' sort of ride (looks like you experienced all of them !).
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2017, 04:43:38 pm
...which I found surprisingly hard.yep. that's what I find too: For me it's the extra night out at 600km pace which makes 000's hard. MC1K was/is 20km over distance too, which is basically at least an hour less sleep as well.
The problem is exactly pace. If you can do your 300 km daily duty in 15 hours, then you've got plenty of time to recover... if it takes you 20 or over, then you're screwed.
Realistically for a "solid" ride on MC1K one should be looking at 45 hours on the saddle. The quickest I have found on the Strava database did it in 49 (there is a 40 but it's been flagged)... so I assume 45 is very difficult and 50 is the next best thing. I think 50 is borderline, you need to choose your food stops wisely to avoid wasting precious time.
Basically, the way it seems to me is that time management is on the essence... the longer the distance, the more it becomes a priority.
I am quite good at short stops, so maybe I have an advantage there, but I am not good at falling asleep quickly, so there is a disadvantage there... even more so in a noisy dormitory.
Permanent might be a more viable route for me, more flexibility on timings, more options for time management. The older permanent route goes through the same village 3 times... just a matter of booking a B&B for three nights...
Post by: Pete Mas on 15 September, 2017, 05:05:51 pm
Post by: simonp on 15 September, 2017, 05:12:48 pm
I never tried the 2014 edition, having been too busy with work - I did hear it was harder.
Post by: thing1 on 15 September, 2017, 06:29:55 pm
Post by: Brakeless on 15 September, 2017, 07:27:54 pm
LEL in a hurricane is a nice jolly compared to Mille Cymru in the sunshine with a tailwind. :demon:
But don't let that put you off :) It's an amazing ride through constantly stunning landscapes and countryside and you won't believe how many places in wales start with Lla.....
Post by: mattc on 15 September, 2017, 08:21:14 pm
Is this the correct route for the 2014 version?
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/4381285
Mille Cymru territory is in a different league to Bryan Chapman. The Pembrokeshire Coast is similar to Devon and Cornwall with short super steep climbs and descents.Agree about the coastal bit, but its saving grace for me was bunging it all in one leg. I just mentally ring-fenced that bit as a section where I would average about 14kph and that is that. It made the other 900-odd km seem quite rideable! There really weren't very many daft chevron bits inland, with quite a few nice descents - I don't go to Wales without some nice descents on the menu.
Overall it seems that 1000k+ UK rides are getting tougher (except LEL - we all know 2009 was the hardest edition). Speaking from the full-value end, this is a shame. Opinions will vary, but I don't like rides that turn into sleep-deprivation challenges, and that is how the welsh and pennine 1000s have been for all the "less fast" riders. Having said that, MC1k changed routes quite a lot for 2014 - assuming above route is correct - so I shall wait-and-see what JH does for 2018.
I suspect that the rumoured scottish event will be more palatable :)
Post by: Rod Marton on 15 September, 2017, 09:14:05 pm
Day 2 was definitely the worst. Although on paper this had the least climbing, it was all concentrated on short and viciously steep climbs on the Pembrokeshire coast. If you can survive this, and the Devil's Staircase at the beginning of day 3, you can get round. I managed it finally with an hour to spare, but after that section really had no worries about running out of time.
The other big problem on the event was the temperature. Overnight on day 3 it came close to freezing, the Betvs-y-Coed night control looked and felt like a refugee camp. Wales definitely has weather.
After all these warnings, it is a great event. Just be prepared for it to be really, really tough.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 15 September, 2017, 09:31:07 pm
Mille Cymru 2014 was the hardest ride I have ever done.Just when I was thinking I love Wales maybe this should be my big ride, someone says something like this and Borders of Belgium is looking good again.
Post by: andyp on 15 September, 2017, 10:14:18 pm
Is this the correct route for the 2014 version?That's it :thumbsup:
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/4381285
Post by: mattc on 16 September, 2017, 07:55:21 am
I cannot think of two more different long rides! Like comparing apples and oranges. They were both amazing experiences for me - you're spoilt for choice, best not to stress :)Mille Cymru 2014 was the hardest ride I have ever done.Just when I was thinking I love Wales maybe this should be my big ride, someone says something like this and Borders of Belgium is looking good again.
Post by: Ajax Bay on 16 September, 2017, 08:01:01 am
but (I'm sure Andy won't mind me saying this) the Mille Cymru is slightly better organised with a nicer sleep stop control.Vorsprung - In your comparison I'd like to highlight that you are drawing on your Mille Pennines 2016 experience of Askrigg for your Night 1 (only) sleep stop. (Andy did not have enough help that night and there were not enough beds/sleeping space - though fine on Nights 2 and 3 when over half the field had bailed.) This year, Sedburgh School, which was the Mille Pennines 'central' (sleep) control (and - I assume - for 2018 MP1K night 1 and 2) was excellent with a large kitchen and dining area, ample beds, safer bike parking and all round very civilised (and no further from a pub) with some from this parish providing food and good cheer as helpers (thank you).
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 16 September, 2017, 08:37:30 am
Somebody told me end of July... ;DIf it clashes with the start of the school holidays I will be out as I always have family commitments then.
There is a hint that there might be a Scottish 1000 in 2018. Is this just wishful thinking or based on some sound rumour?
BB
Post by: Feanor on 16 September, 2017, 08:53:45 am
There is a hint that there might be a Scottish 1000 in 2018. Is this just wishful thinking or based on some sound rumour?
There was a post in the Audax Ecosse FB page a few days ago.
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Heres the outline route of the possible Scottish 1000km next year. Evening start, assumes that folk will kip at Oban * 2 (b&bs, yh etc). Provisionally starting thu 31-may. All subject to family hols, weddings, graduations, barmitvahs etc etc. commercial controls only, possibly an oban bag drop if youre lucky.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24929253
Post by: Frank9755 on 16 September, 2017, 09:12:18 am
There is a hint that there might be a Scottish 1000 in 2018. Is this just wishful thinking or based on some sound rumour?
There was a post in the Audax Ecosse FB page a few days ago.QuoteHeres the outline route of the possible Scottish 1000km next year. Evening start, assumes that folk will kip at Oban * 2 (b&bs, yh etc). Provisionally starting thu 31-may. All subject to family hols, weddings, graduations, barmitvahs etc etc. commercial controls only, possibly an oban bag drop if youre lucky.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24929253
That looks lovely. It looks like the original Mull of Kintyre 600 from 2011, with a different start/finish, an extra loop north from Oban and another to Perth on the way back. That was a beautiful ride, and I'm sure the extra loops won't detract from it.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 16 September, 2017, 10:33:08 am
Post by: vorsprung on 16 September, 2017, 10:39:40 am
flippin' eck good job I don't have the time to do them all :)
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 16 September, 2017, 10:45:38 am
There is a hint that there might be a Scottish 1000 in 2018. Is this just wishful thinking or based on some sound rumour?
There was a post in the Audax Ecosse FB page a few days ago.QuoteHeres the outline route of the possible Scottish 1000km next year. Evening start, assumes that folk will kip at Oban * 2 (b&bs, yh etc). Provisionally starting thu 31-may. All subject to family hols, weddings, graduations, barmitvahs etc etc. commercial controls only, possibly an oban bag drop if youre lucky.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24929253
Oh no 31st May is out as well. Another commitment. I like the idea of an eveng start as people can get up to Edinburgh from the smoke in good time.
Post by: grams on 16 September, 2017, 10:48:41 am
so there are 3 1000km events next year??
There was an Essex starting one mentioned as well, so potentially four!
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 16 September, 2017, 11:00:37 am
Do both.I cannot think of two more different long rides! Like comparing apples and oranges. They were both amazing experiences for me - you're spoilt for choice, best not to stress :)Mille Cymru 2014 was the hardest ride I have ever done.Just when I was thinking I love Wales maybe this should be my big ride, someone says something like this and Borders of Belgium is looking good again.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 16 September, 2017, 12:08:26 pm
Not inclined to trade my marriage for increased cycling opportunities.
Do both.
I think one 600 and one 1000 per year is on the right side of taking the p. Two 1000s might not be.
So many rides, so little time. (Might as well be the audax motto)
Which leaves me with the dilemma of tackling the third leg of an ISR (PBP will hopefully be the 4th) or the challenge of one of the more epic mille pennines/mille cymru rides.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 September, 2017, 12:36:38 pm
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 16 September, 2017, 03:11:33 pm
I cannot think of two more different long rides! Like comparing apples and oranges. They were both amazing experiences for me - you're spoilt for choice, best not to stress :)Mille Cymru 2014 was the hardest ride I have ever done.Just when I was thinking I love Wales maybe this should be my big ride, someone says something like this and Borders of Belgium is looking good again.
...but don't go making the mistake of thinking that BoB is pan-flat!
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 17 September, 2017, 12:09:26 am
Ride faster.Not inclined to trade my marriage for increased cycling opportunities.
Do both.
I think one 600 and one 1000 per year is on the right side of taking the p. Two 1000s might not be.
So many rides, so little time. (Might as well be the audax motto)
Which leaves me with the dilemma of tackling the third leg of an ISR (PBP will hopefully be the 4th) or the challenge of one of the more epic mille pennines/mille cymru rides.
Post by: Bairn Again on 18 September, 2017, 01:43:27 pm
just finalising controls just now. The event start Date is 99% certain to be thu 31 may, as i need to keep lots of other dates free next summer. End Sep for BRM really is a bind.There is a hint that there might be a Scottish 1000 in 2018. Is this just wishful thinking or based on some sound rumour?
There was a post in the Audax Ecosse FB page a few days ago.QuoteHeres the outline route of the possible Scottish 1000km next year. Evening start, assumes that folk will kip at Oban * 2 (b&bs, yh etc). Provisionally starting thu 31-may. All subject to family hols, weddings, graduations, barmitvahs etc etc. commercial controls only, possibly an oban bag drop if youre lucky.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24929253
That looks lovely. It looks like the original Mull of Kintyre 600 from 2011, with a different start/finish, an extra loop north from Oban and another to Perth on the way back. That was a beautiful ride, and I'm sure the extra loops won't detract from it.
My fort william correspondent tells me end May date is "50/50" for midgies.
Post by: Pingu on 18 September, 2017, 02:03:54 pm
so there are 3 1000km events next year??
There was an Essex starting one mentioned as well, so potentially four!
That'd be quite a Hyper!
Post by: psyclist on 21 September, 2017, 03:56:09 pm
I seem to be planning quite a few rides in Wales for next year, and this one will either be the icing on the cake or the straw that broke the camel's back ... hopefully the former!
EDIT ... just spotted I missed a post up above that mentioned 31st May as a potential, so ignore me!
EDIT 2 ... or is that date for the Scottish 1000, not sure
Post by: simonp on 21 September, 2017, 04:07:07 pm
Any news on the likely date? Last time I think it was end of July.
I seem to be planning quite a few rides in Wales for next year, and this one will either be the icing on the cake or the straw that broke the camel's back ... hopefully the former!
EDIT ... just spotted I missed a post up above that mentioned 31st May as a potential, so ignore me!
EDIT 2 ... or is that date for the Scottish 1000, not sure
That's the scottish 1000k.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 21 September, 2017, 05:51:47 pm
Any news on the likely date? Last time I think it was end of July.
I seem to be planning quite a few rides in Wales for next year, and this one will either be the icing on the cake or the straw that broke the camel's back ... hopefully the former!
EDIT ... just spotted I missed a post up above that mentioned 31st May as a potential, so ignore me!
EDIT 2 ... or is that date for the Scottish 1000, not sure
End of July for MC1K, I was told by someone high up in the chain of command
Post by: psyclist on 21 September, 2017, 06:12:05 pm
End of July for MC1K, I was told by someone high up in the chain of command
Perfect, thank you.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 22 September, 2017, 06:58:58 pm
Post by: Steve Orchard on 23 September, 2017, 09:40:56 am
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Post by: Thing2 on 24 September, 2017, 05:37:44 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 27 September, 2017, 05:42:33 pm
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-1000/
Post by: mattc on 27 September, 2017, 06:30:18 pm
Post by: JonBuoy on 28 September, 2017, 01:00:05 pm
Quote
This event has a mandatory route - you should follow the route instructions as closely as possible.
Post by: postie on 28 September, 2017, 01:09:51 pm
Post by: psyclist on 28 September, 2017, 01:11:17 pm
And here it is...
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-1000/
Looks superb :thumbsup:
I was a bit surprised to see this in the description:QuoteThis event has a mandatory route - you should follow the route instructions as closely as possible.
Unusual, but I expect it avoids a stack of info controls. I tend to follow the organiser's route on rides in any case.
Post by: JonBuoy on 28 September, 2017, 08:42:47 pm
Unusual, but I expect it avoids a stack of info controls.
Sounds good to me.
I tend to follow the organiser's route on rides in any case.
Me too - it seems rude not to.
Post by: vorsprung on 28 September, 2017, 09:18:01 pm
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 29 September, 2017, 11:42:47 am
Post by: Pete Mas on 29 September, 2017, 12:07:50 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 29 September, 2017, 01:28:11 pm
Likewise, I rarely have the time or inclination to study long routes in advance, so stick to the organiser's route wherever possible, unless alternatives are clearly spelled out. Of course, this doesn't prevent unplanned errors of deviation - but in those cases I just re-trace the same way back to the route using the Garmin, usually!
... a follower, more than a leader... :P
Post by: Pete Mas on 29 September, 2017, 02:36:17 pm
Likewise, I rarely have the time or inclination to study long routes in advance, so stick to the organiser's route wherever possible, unless alternatives are clearly spelled out. Of course, this doesn't prevent unplanned errors of deviation - but in those cases I just re-trace the same way back to the route using the Garmin, usually!
... a follower, more than a leader... :P
Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 29 September, 2017, 03:10:17 pm
Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.
Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route
Post by: Pete Mas on 29 September, 2017, 03:46:49 pm
Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.
Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route
Sure, if the ride is local to me and I know all the roads, I certainly won't avoid the temptation to take all my favourite shortcuts if they're suitable. ;)
Post by: mattc on 29 September, 2017, 05:54:50 pm
I frequently choose to take worse routes.
Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.
Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route
Post by: veloboy on 30 September, 2017, 08:50:26 pm
Which kept most everyone en route back in the day (pre-GPS).
I much prefer following the organiser's 'Route' (generally by GPS these days).
And I would be much happier to submit that for validation rather than faff about with yet another collage of 'Info controls'.
Just my biased opinion BTW.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 30 September, 2017, 11:02:22 pm
'Info Controls' are a weak excuse for what was one time 'Secret controls'...Agree with this, a couple of infos is manageable but if you start getting multiples between adjacent proper controls it's more of a hassle.
Which kept most everyone en route back in the day (pre-GPS).
I much prefer following the organiser's 'Route' (generally by GPS these days).
And I would be much happier to submit that for validation rather than faff about with yet another collage of 'Info controls'.
Just my biased opinion BTW.
Post by: Ajax Bay on 01 October, 2017, 03:21:38 pm
To get down from Upton Magna down to Hay away from the A49 we'll be able to enjoy the 'undulating' road via Bishop's Castle, Knighton and Clun, and then go over Gospel Pass/Llanthony (rather than Golden Valley) towards Monmouth/A466/Tintern. We can stay off the A40 too (at that time of day) from Abergavenny to Brecon, by taking the Govillon, Llangynidr/Tal-y-bont road on the south side. The Pembrokeshire coast road south of Newgale is not to be missed - but it'd be faster, easier and more boring through Haverfordwest to the bridge over the Cleddau. Carmarthen to Llandovery will be much nicer on the A4069/Bethlehem Road south of and parallel to the less attractive A40. And we can enjoy the Elan reservoirs and excursions into the Hafren forest (to Staylittle).
Post by: Alismed on 01 October, 2017, 08:22:33 pm
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 01 October, 2017, 08:36:00 pm
How is the route made mandatory? Does this mean riders have to have a gps device for proof of passage?Are you honest?
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Post by: Alismed on 01 October, 2017, 08:41:01 pm
Post by: αdαmsκι on 01 October, 2017, 08:42:21 pm
Post by: Alismed on 01 October, 2017, 08:45:23 pm
Post by: Deano on 01 October, 2017, 08:47:14 pm
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)
Expect a secret control or two. They may not exist, of course, and that's the best kind...
Dale's got me thinking about this ride. It's a while since I went to Wales.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 October, 2017, 09:00:29 pm
AND! we can ride to the start! It's just a bit further than the Peak District iirc.Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)
Expect a secret control or two. They may not exist, of course, and that's the best kind...
Dale's got me thinking about this ride. It's a while since I went to Wales.
Post by: Deano on 01 October, 2017, 09:02:52 pm
Post by: jsabine on 01 October, 2017, 11:57:13 pm
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)
Honest riders will follow the route because it's the route and they're honest.
Dishonest riders will follow the route because there might be a secret control just around the next corner.
(And if you take a shortcut, or a different route, and there wasn't a secret control, who are you going to tell about your cleverness?)
Post by: mattc on 02 October, 2017, 10:28:47 am
How is the route made mandatory? Does this mean riders have to have a gps device for proof of passage?
Nope, no extra proof of passage is required - it's all on trust (with a sprinkling of secret controls).
PBP has always worked this way. No GPS required, and even the Brits (almost) always stick to the official route :)
Post by: Zed43 on 02 October, 2017, 11:00:08 am
[edit: disregard the following, wrong thread :-[)
Post by: Ajax Bay on 02 October, 2017, 11:07:42 am
Mille Cymru 3
1020km cycling event starting from Upton Magna, E of Shrewsbury. Controls at Hay-on-Wye, Tintern, Llanwrtyd Wells, Aberteifi, St Davids, Pembroke, Laugharne, Llanwrtyd Wells, Aberystwyth, Rhayader, Barmouth, Llanberis, Betws y Coed and Lake Vyrnwy.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 02 October, 2017, 11:08:07 am
But I'm curious, is this really the route as intended: Chepstow, Pontypridd, Barry, Tonypandy, Llandovery, Neath, Barry, Chepstow. Going from Pontypridd to Barry to Tonypandy seems rather odd.
???
List of controls seems to be
Controls at Hay-on-Wye, Tintern, Llanwrtyd Wells, Aberteifi, St Davids, Pembroke, Laugharne, Llanwrtyd Wells, Aberystwyth, Rhayader, Barmouth, Llanberis, Betws y Coed and Lake Vyrnwy.
Post by: Arry-R on 10 October, 2017, 11:02:09 pm
Dishonest riders will follow the route because there might be a secret control just around the next corner.
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Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
Post by: Martin on 11 October, 2017, 12:15:10 am
Dishonest riders will follow the route because there might be a secret control just around the next corner.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
there are no such things as secret controls in AUK anymore;
FOBTSBS(T)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 11 October, 2017, 07:27:18 am
Ah crap. That means it'll be during school holidays and I won't have any excuse not to enter.
I could be tempted out of hibernation for this one...
Whether it be riding or turning up en route offering caaake
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Post by: jsabine on 11 October, 2017, 11:05:02 am
Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
With a mandatory route, surely there's an implicit statement that any stage may have a secret control ...
there are no such things as secret controls in AUK anymore;
FOBTSBS(T)
FOBTSBS(T)?
I don't think there's anything prohibiting secret controls ...
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 11 October, 2017, 05:34:44 pm
Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
wouldn't that rather defeat the point of secret controls?
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 11 October, 2017, 07:01:01 pm
Probably, but practicalities make secret controls in later stages difficult.Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
wouldn't that rather defeat the point of secret controls?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 11 October, 2017, 10:21:21 pm
The date is set - Thurs 26th - Sun 29th July. Starting and finishing at our usual venue of Upton Magna village hall, just outside Shrewsbury. Camping facilities will be available for the duration of the event for a small fee.
The route is currently being worked on, but will be an evolution of the 2014 edition. So Day 1 through the borders and SE Wales to overnight stop in Llanwrtyd Wells. Day 2 out to westest Wales and back to Llanwrtyd. Day 3 up through mid Wales to Snowdonia and an overnight sleep stop (location tbc) before a final run back to the Shire. It's more or less settled (considering whether to take you up the dark side of the Bwlch y Groes this time :demon: the first 2 editions have gone up the other 2 sides so I reckon we should complete the set) pending confirmation of the location of the final night control.
The entry fee will include all food & drink at the Start, Finish and the 3 overnight sleep controls (dinner & breakfast). It's likely there'll be some additional manned controls each day too with food included, plus roadside feed stations. Bag drop to Llanwrtyd where you'll spend 2 nights (with shower facilities available). Plus a range of goodies to commemorate the event (jersey will be extra though). If I can do it for a sensible cost I'd really like to offer live GPS tracking.
The entry fee currently listed in the calendar of £75 is provisional (set to what it cost in 2014 atm) and will depend on exactly how many controls we can offer as above. Entries will open on 1st March 2018. The intention is to squeeze a few more in than last time, but I'll initially be limiting general entries to 100 riders, plus a few guaranteed spots for anyone who has: ridden both previous editions and is going for the triple; a spouse or significant other helping; volunteered on a previous edition; riding a tandem, trike or recumbent (sorry but fixed doesn't count - it's been done before) or other criteria I've yet to decide.
Of course it goes without saying that this won't be happening with just me & Linda, so any and all volunteers are welcome.
This will be the last running of the Mille Cymru. There won't be a #4 in another 4 years time.
Post by: Bagman on 11 October, 2017, 10:40:23 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 12 October, 2017, 10:16:43 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 October, 2017, 01:26:09 pm
It's more or less settled (considering whether to take you up the dark side of the Bwlch y Groes this time :demon: the first 2 editions have gone up the other 2 sides so I reckon we should complete the set) pending confirmation of the location of the final night control.
Don't see why not... of the three sides it is by far the most... ehmmm "scenic" ;D
I've decided MC1K is too big for me, but I am keen to help... just need to find out the Mrs holiday plans for next year... I always tell here there's nowhere like Wales... ::-)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 12 October, 2017, 06:45:24 pm
Ah crap. That means it'll be during school holidays and I won't have any excuse not to enter.
I could be tempted out of hibernation for this one...
I've found an excuse not to enter - the Alpi 4000, with an extra 400 km of cycling & a few Alpine passes.
Post by: vorsprung on 12 October, 2017, 07:15:37 pm
Dishonest riders will follow the route because there might be a secret control just around the next corner.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
there are no such things as secret controls in AUK anymore;
FOBTSBS(T)
http://www.aukweb.net/official/aukregs/
see regulation 9.8.2c
"Events with Mandatory routes may include unannounced controls and/or other measures to ensure riders follow the registered route."
call 'em what you like that's a secret control
Post by: Spinderella on 15 October, 2017, 06:53:03 pm
Does that mean a tandem hasnt done it before? ...
Post by: RichForrest on 15 October, 2017, 09:00:55 pm
Post by: Thing2 on 15 October, 2017, 11:42:39 pm
"riding a tandem, trike or recumbent (sorry but fixed doesn't count - it's been done before) or other criteria I've yet to be decided"
Does that mean a tandem hasnt done it before? ...
We dnf'd due to a medical issue in 2010. I don't think any tandems entered in 2014, so to the best of my knowledge no tandem has completed it.
Post by: thing1 on 16 October, 2017, 05:48:53 am
If you can't work out providing a full service GPS tracking, then next best option is to setup a SpotWalla location page. This allows each rider to use their own Spot, DeLorme or mobile phone (Andorid, iPhone) to upload location as they ride.
https://spotwalla.com/help/devices.php
I set this up for the SF Randonneurs 1000k (https://spotwalla.com/locationViewer.php?id=438) earlier this year and it generally worked well.
Post by: Andy Corless on 16 October, 2017, 05:40:54 pm
Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
there are no such things as secret controls in AUK anymore;"
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Tell me to MMOB if you wish; but text in the AUK Organiser's Handbook (last updated March 2017) states:
SECRET CONTROLS: Are like checkpoints but their location/distance is not listed on the brevet card. These
may be used on mandatory route events to ensure riders are following the prescribed route. The number of
secret controls and their location is entirely up to the organiser but you should not tell the riders before the
event. Stating that there may or may not be secret controls on the event will persuade most riders to follow
the entire mandated route. Telling riders a false number of secret controls may cause them to backtrack
looking for a non-existent control and should not be done.
Hope this clarifies AUKs position on secret controls!
Andy Corless
Post by: Arry-R on 18 October, 2017, 09:23:26 am
Probably, but practicalities make secret controls in later stages difficult.Pretty sure you're still required to state which stages have or might have secret controls
wouldn't that rather defeat the point of secret controls?
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Secret controls must be mentioned on which stage otherwise because riders can choose their own routes between controls but if mention is made of the secret they'll know to follow that stages route. Actually if it's difficult to actually provide secret check it doesn't matter as you've made sure they will follow that section in full
Post by: Ajax Bay on 18 October, 2017, 12:46:15 pm
Secret controls must be mentioned on which stage otherwise because riders can choose their own routes between controls but if mention is made of the secret they'll know to follow that stages route. Actually if it's difficult to actually provide secret check it doesn't matter as you've made sure they will follow that section in fullPlease could you quote the rule which says that stages which may/will have 'secret' controls must be specified?
If the route is specified as mandatory, then riders are NOT at liberty to "choose their own routes between controls". They'll "know to follow" the route in its entirety, honestly.
Mandatory: follow the route (specified by the routesheet and any gpx provided (I'm assuming that these are synonymous with 'the registered route')). If you go wrong, get back on route asap. Is retracing your erroneous route 'mandatory'? The AUK rules seem vague, probably deliberately.
Advisory: Visit the controls in order by whatever route the rider chooses, most appreciating the help and advice provided by the organiser (ie routesheet).
9.8.2 The controls are placed to ensure that the rider completes the validated distance.
(a) Controls are placed at intervals of approximately 50 - 80 km at the discretion of AUK.
(b) Event routes set by the organiser are categorised as ‘advisory’ (riders may take any route between controls) or ‘mandatory’ (riders must follow the registered route).
(c) Events with Mandatory routes may include unannounced controls and/or other measures to ensure riders follow the registered route.
Post by: Phil W on 18 October, 2017, 01:24:05 pm
Secret controls
I remember a couple of times Eamon and Seamus jumped out of a van or car with glee to announce a secret control. One was about a km after a turn where if you took the shortcut you would be knocking off about 20km. There was no advance notice of where they would be. At other times and days they would just drive by and say hello. You knew they or other volunteers were out and about on the route somewhere.
Campervan
A camper van roamed about each day and you would find it either at a designated control or somewhere else to serve up sandwiches and a hot drink. So sometimes you'd be expecting to complete an info control and be pleasantly surprised to find the camper van there marking cards.
There was one point when tired I'd made a mistake on Achill Island loop just over 1200km into the ride. So had to go back out and complete the bit I'd missed. This put me further back in the field. I heard the camper van was at the info control. So when I got there I spent a good 20 - 30 mins looking for the campervan. That was a mistake as the camper van had already moved on by then. So I'm very much of the don't announce where secret controls are or even if not secret don't say whether a volunteer will be at a control (unless they will definitely be there for the entire period that control is open).
Live tracking
We all had live trackers handed to us. There was a live satellite tracking screen that showed the route as well as where everyone was. These were monitored during the event but also checked after the event as it retained your tracking history. The starting field size was 56 riders from memory.
Penalties
There were some riders who missed a turn or misread route sheets and took shortcuts. First offence given a time penalty or go back and ride the correct route with a warning they would be out the event if it was repeatedly done. The time penalty was such that any time gained from a short cut would be more than wiped out.
Other Riders
I was sat in a pub when two riders came in ahead of another rider who had left the last place ahead of them. It was noted, and on discussion, they realised they had taken a shortcut. They rang the organiser on what to do.
Summary
So it all worked really well and no one was trying to shortcut the route deliberately but we all get tired at points on these long events and sometimes do not pay as close attention to the route as we should be doing. Not knowing where the organisers / volunteers may pop up at any point was all part of the fun.
Post by: Ajax Bay on 19 October, 2017, 11:12:39 am
The Wild Atlantic Way Audax last year was a mandatory route.;D
Not knowing where the organisers / volunteers may pop up at any point was all part of the fun.
Post by: Smeth on 31 January, 2018, 11:03:11 pm
http://www.mille.cymru/
leads to the (as yet) empty site with the date given as 26-29 June. Clash with the Acme Grand. As the AUK calendar says July as above it's clearly an error. Phew.
Post by: Andy Corless on 31 January, 2018, 11:10:17 pm
Andy Corless
Post by: Smeth on 31 January, 2018, 11:12:21 pm
he's already aware of it.
Andy Corless
Cheers Andy
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Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 February, 2018, 08:38:22 am
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 14 February, 2018, 09:00:26 pm
Route is now sorted (bar tweaking as it gets recce'd) https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24319750 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24319750)
(http://www.aukweb.net/perms/1000b.jpg)
It's an evolution of the 2014 route - Day 1 gets some extra km into mid-Wales and some less well know roads from Bwlch y Sarnau down through Hundred House and over the Begwyns to Hay on Wye. The start of Day 2 has had a makeover heading over the Devil's Staircase before turning left to head down past Llynne Brianne (making a return from the 2010 edition) and the Cothi valley before rejoining the 2014 route for the passage over Llanlwnlli mountain. The third day sees the return of the infamous Beulah - Newbridge road (although only the once for any veterans of 2010) then it's over to Aberystwyth. You'll be glad to know that the climb back up from the Aberffrwdd control has gone and the loop back inland has been replaced by a trip up the coast and the final night control moves to Lake Vyrnwy.
Total climbing works out at roughly 15,600m - so fairly similar to the 2010 edition. Split between the 3 days is 4780m (303k), 4910m (324k), 5280m (313k).
Once more Llanwrtyd Wells will be our base for 2 overnight controls at 303km and 627km. The final overnight control will be at Lake Vyrnwy (940km) giving a short (and mostly downhill & flat) final stage to the finish. There will be a bag drop to Llanwrtyd & back.
All food will be included at the start and finish, the 3 overnight controls, plus a number of other controls on the route - currently planned to include Llanthony, Tintern, Cilgerran, Aberystwyth and Arthog. As already noted above, there may be secret controls and these will be provided by Jay_P's infamous 'Van of Delights'. There will probably be a pre-ride meal on the Wednesday evening for those staying over at Upton Magna the night before - and camping facilities are available as per usual.
Entries open on 1st March via the AUK website, limited to 100 places. The intention is to get as close to 100 starters as possible so if we sell out there may well be additional places available later on as riders (inevitably) drop out. As previously noted I'll guarantee entry to anyone providing a partner/significant other as a helper, tandems, trikes & recumbents, and anyone going for the 'threepeat' (/hideous americanism)
More detail available on the AUK website - http://www.aukweb.net/routes/1000r.zip (http://www.aukweb.net/routes/1000r.zip)
If 1012km, nearly 16,000m of climbing in 75 hours sounds a bit much and you'd prefer to get some sleep on the way round, come and ride the Grand Tour (Clarkson, Hammond & May not included) version of the event. This will start one day earlier (Wed 25th July) with a time limit of 5 days (latest finish 22:00hrs Sun 29th July). This will use the same route as the randonneur event, but will be unsupported (other than the start/finish) - so no manned controls. Entry fee will be correspondingly lower. The idea is to make this a 200k/day event (each 200k ridden at 14.3kph BR minimum speed) so it can be validated as a BR event of 4x200km (plus whatever is left to get to the finish - the route isn't long enough to break into 5x200km) - subject to discussion with AUK. Once started you'll be entirely on your own and free to choose exactly where to stay each night (sort your own accommodation) and how far to ride each day. Expect to see this option appear on the AUK calendar shortly.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 February, 2018, 06:43:51 am
Bit beyond my capabilities, so I will gladly help out at the overnight control instead... ;D
The 5 day "touring" option also looks great, kind of a 1K super randonnee, are you going to offer the latter again in the future, maybe as a permanent?
Post by: mattc on 15 February, 2018, 10:24:01 am
Accommodation might be the tricky bit. A major part of the puzzle in putting MC1K on was a route that got us to decent sleepy spots at about the right distance every day - solving this problem again (and for 4 nights) might be really tricky. There are some lonely roads through deserted areas.
Fingers crossed - it's a fab route!
Post by: psyclist on 15 February, 2018, 11:17:58 am
Feels like there will be a certain rhythm to the ride. Leaving overnight controls by 6am should work for somebody without inherent speed in the hills, like myself. Then it'll 'only' be a task of getting through each day with sufficient time remaining to rest prior to the next 6am start.
I'm looking forward to day 4 already.
Post by: Thing2 on 15 February, 2018, 02:19:21 pm
Post by: How Far on 15 February, 2018, 03:11:53 pm
Thanks Rich...
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 February, 2018, 04:30:18 pm
I have been thinking of riding this event, but I have no experience of the climbs. How does it compare to Milli Pennies? There seems to be a similar amount of climbing but are they longer easier climbs IE. not as many 33% monsters ;-)
Thanks Rich...
Yep... Devil's staircase is steep, but it's not Hardknott. The steepest and most evil climb in Wales, the Bwlch-Y-Groes from Dinas has been mercifully spared this time :-) In my experience, Welsh climbs are much more benign than those in the Lakes and Yorkshire.
Day 1: you go up the Long Mynd from the easier side, the biggest climb of the day is the Gospel pass from Hay... which is stunning, long but not very hard. The other climbs are all very doable
Day 2: Devil's Staircase from the less steep side and then some smaller, relentless undulations going south west and back
Day 3: you have the Llanberis pass, which is in my opinion the most scenic climb in Wales, kind of steady 7-8% all the way, you can see the top from the bottom, so mentally is very easy, absolutely beautiful. Then the climb out of Cwn Penmachno, which is demanding, but not brutal and finally the Hirnant pass, which again is 9-10% towards the top.
That's about it
Post by: Brakeless on 15 February, 2018, 08:06:11 pm
I have been thinking of riding this event, but I have no experience of the climbs. How does it compare to Milli Pennies? There seems to be a similar amount of climbing but are they longer easier climbs IE. not as many 33% monsters ;-)
Thanks Rich...
I rode in 2014 and found the Pembrokeshire coast the hardest section, very short sharp ascents followed by nerve racking steep descents, no recovery and straight into steepness again. The big well known climbs are all steady climbs other than the Devils staircase which is steep but not for too long.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 15 February, 2018, 08:17:36 pm
But what is definite is that if you think you know Welsh climbs from the Bryan Chapman then you'll be in for a nasty surprise. Go read Andy_P's report from 2014 on p1 of this thread (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104978.msg2208411#msg2208411)
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 15 February, 2018, 08:34:55 pm
Having ridden a mountainous 200+km/day tour quite recently, I'd say it's a great idea; but the Devil may be in the Detail.
Accommodation might be the tricky bit. A major part of the puzzle in putting MC1K on was a route that got us to decent sleepy spots at about the right distance every day - solving this problem again (and for 4 nights) might be really tricky. There are some lonely roads through deserted areas.
Fingers crossed - it's a fab route!
Absolutely. As you've noted there are some long sections where accommodation will be scarce. Because of that, and the route being only slightly over the nominal 1000k mark it won't be possible to ride it as 5x200k - after 4 days your final section will be <200k. So to provide flexibility, the GT will run as 4x200k+ - entirely up to the entrant how they break it up - you could opt for 4x250k, finishing on Saturday evening; or 4 days of 200k leaving a shorter 5th day to the finish. To summarise:
- The whole 1000k course has to be completed (visiting all the fixed controls), returning back at the finish between Sat 8pm (84hrs) and Sun 10pm (110hrs)
- A minimum of 200km has to be ridden at a minimum of 14.3kph on 4 days. Additional PoP will be required over and above the fixed controls to prove this.
- Any remaining distance after the above requirement has been met is not subject to any minimum speed, providing the overall time limit is met (so if you leave only 100k to do on the final day you've still got until 10pm to finish)
There'll be more detailed explanation and example schedules available from the event page after the weekend, but it boils down to these 3 points. This does of course mean that as far as AUK is concerned you'll 'only' get 8 points (if points are your thing) and it doesn't count as a 1000k event for awards purposes but a series of 200k ones.
There's enough accommodation possibilities on route (and the GT will be an advisory route as secret controls are impractical given the nature of the event, so you may leave the route to find accommodation e.g. to Cardigan or Rhayader which are only just off the route); and with this flexibility it should be eminently doable.
I'm intending to take this approach to the route check (route checking when sleep deprived doesn't tend to work very well ime) and it would be a good approach for any helpers wanting a helpers ride, as the format lends itself better to an unsupported ride than the BRM version.
Post by: mattc on 16 February, 2018, 10:38:06 am
Talking of route-checking, I'm riding to LLandysul at the end of March. I expect to spend 3-4 days on the bike (route undecided), so if I can route-check (e.g. Day2 section) that would give me some purpose.
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I'll also be route-checking the western half of the Faffers400 perm ... watch out for more news on that peeps ... )
Post by: Basil on 16 February, 2018, 11:35:31 am
Good stuff :thumbsup:
Talking of route-checking, I'm riding to LLandysul at the end of March. I expect to spend 3-4 days on the bike (route undecided), so if I can route-check (e.g. Day2 section) that would give me some purpose.
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I'll also be route-checking the western half of the Faffers400 perm ... watch out for more news on that peeps ... )
You'd be welcome to call in for a cuppa again, Matt.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 16 February, 2018, 04:12:16 pm
Good stuff :thumbsup:
Talking of route-checking, I'm riding to LLandysul at the end of March. I expect to spend 3-4 days on the bike (route undecided), so if I can route-check (e.g. Day2 section) that would give me some purpose.
We may cross paths then. I'm doing a route check of a combination of the Elenydd and the Day 2 route over the Easter long weekend.
The route's on RideWithGPS, so if any of it looks of any interest then by all means drop me a line for a routesheet (when I've got the 2014 one updated with the new bits).
Post by: Steve Orchard on 17 February, 2018, 03:03:48 pm
Entries open on 1st March via the AUK website, limited to 100 places. The intention is to get as close to 100 starters as possible so if we sell out there may well be additional places available later on as riders (inevitably) drop out. As previously noted I'll guarantee entry to anyone providing a partner/significant other as a helper, tandems, trikes & recumbents, and anyone going for the 'threepeat' (/hideous americanism)Is this going to be a get up at midnight and press the button and hope?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 20 February, 2018, 05:21:16 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 21 February, 2018, 12:46:59 pm
Two are in essence X-rated or with very limited TLC, of which one is in the south and one is in the north.
Two have TLC to various degrees and are very hilly, one is in Wales and one is in the North.
I would say if someone is thinking of doing the ACME, probably won't be thinking of doing the Pennines or the MC1K and viceversa... with a handful of exceptions of course.
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 February, 2018, 04:13:43 pm
I don't want to hijack the thread but for information purposes if you're "unfortunate" enough not to get an entry to this some more places have been made available on the Mille Pennines 1000 due to a few (not many) cancellations. There's a similar YACF thread for the MP1K somewhere!
Andy Corless
Post by: Bairn Again on 22 February, 2018, 11:10:50 am
"In 2014 it took 36 hours to sell out. There's more choice in 1000k events on the calendar this year, so that may have some effect too."Nor do I, but there are around half a dozen places left on the West Highland 1000. Had it been the only 1000km in the UK this year it would have been full up within days. The TLC on the West Highland 1000 extends to a bag drop, I've left folk to make their own accommodation arrangements, though the route (and bag drop) have been carefully thought out to be as helpful as possible to riders.
I don't want to hijack the thread but for information purposes if you're "unfortunate" enough not to get an entry to this some more places have been made available on the Mille Pennines 1000 due to a few (not many) cancellations. There's a similar YACF thread for the MP1K somewhere!
Andy Corless
Post by: JonB on 25 February, 2018, 07:50:26 pm
Is this going to be a get up at midnight and press the button and hope?
Possibly, but I hope not (as I don't want to be getting up at midnight either).If you get chance, will you post here in the next few days to say when it will be going live for entries?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 26 February, 2018, 07:29:33 pm
If you get chance, will you post here in the next few days to say when it will be going live for entries?
Midnight 1st March (i.e. Wed/Thurs night)
Post by: thing1 on 26 February, 2018, 09:43:13 pm
We're planning to enter at around 12.01 that morning, but just in case is there anything specific needs doing to take up the guaranteed tandem entry?
Post by: JonB on 26 February, 2018, 09:45:09 pm
If you get chance, will you post here in the next few days to say when it will be going live for entries?
Midnight 1st March (i.e. Wed/Thurs night)
That's pretty clear, thanks John :thumbsup:
Post by: Manotea on 26 February, 2018, 10:57:18 pm
Is there a limit on the number of GT entries?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 February, 2018, 05:26:51 pm
Love the fact entries open on St David's day :thumbsup:Glad that someone noticed.
We're planning to enter at around 12.01 that morning, but just in case is there anything specific needs doing to take up the guaranteed tandem entry?The easiest option (for everyone) is simply to enter in the normal way. Entry will be guaranteed even if it's not in the first 100. There will be alternative arrangements once the general entry wave closes (whenever that happens). But if you're entering on Thursday morning then you should be fine.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 February, 2018, 05:30:47 pm
The grand tour option is a great idea. Loving that GT riders will likely see most of the regular event riders on the road. :)The Randonneurs will likely catch up to the GT riders sometime around Fri night / Sat morning depending on exactly what schedule they're on. Llanwrtyd at 628k would make a reasonable target to aim for at the end of Day 3 of the GT which would of course be the 2nd day of the BRM.
Is there a limit on the number of GT entries?Not currently as I don't really know how popular it will be. Will come down really to how many folk I can deal with at the start.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 28 February, 2018, 11:58:33 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 01 March, 2018, 12:25:10 am
Post by: Deano on 01 March, 2018, 12:26:11 am
Post by: psyclist on 01 March, 2018, 09:56:03 am
Maybe I should have checked earlier, but I thought this morning that I should look at the results from the previous running of this event. Back in 2014 there were 60 riders who completed. Some notable names, including Steve Abraham, Andy Corless, Andrew Preston, plus a few from Hackney, Bristol and the other usual suspects for rides like this.
60 finishers tells me that completing the ride is an achievable ambition.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 March, 2018, 12:13:03 pm
60 finishers tells me that completing the ride is an achievable ambition.
I'll make sure you are well fed... :thumbsup:
Post by: psyclist on 01 March, 2018, 12:29:20 pm
60 finishers tells me that completing the ride is an achievable ambition.
I'll make sure you are well fed... :thumbsup:
Thank you. I'll make sure I'm hungry :)
Post by: nomeansno on 01 March, 2018, 02:55:32 pm
Quick question for multi-day veterans. In the sleep stops, how do you wake up ? I assume its bad form to set an alarm on your phone as I guess people will want to get started at different times so how does it work ?
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 March, 2018, 02:57:15 pm
I've just entered. This will be my first go at a multi-day ride. Might have bitten off more than I can chew but its local for me and looks a good ride so I'll have a go.2 pints of water before hitting the hay. 3 if you're behind schedule.
Quick question for multi-day veterans. In the sleep stops, how do you wake up ? I assume its bad form to set an alarm on your phone as I guess people will want to get started at different times so how does it work ?
Post by: Ajax Bay on 01 March, 2018, 05:05:45 pm
0 Upton Magna (Shrewsbury)
83 Bwlch-y-Sarnau (Control)
https://www.facebook.com/glyndwrswaycafe/
88 Abbeycymhir pub/PO closed Wed!
112 Hundred House http://hundredhouseinn.com/
Hay
151 Llanthony Treats cafe http://www.llanthonytreats.co.uk/catering.htm
157 Cymyoy (Control, 6k south of LLanthony)
203 Tintern (Control)
258 Tal-y-bont YH (250k bed? - 3k south of Tal-y-bont) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/brecon-beacons-danywenallt
302 Llanwrtydd Wells (Control)
337 Near Rhandirmwyn TowyBridge Inn https://www.facebook.com/pg/towybridge/about/?ref=page_internal opening times ?12-1500?
352 near Pumsaint - Dolaucothi-gold-mines (tea rooms)
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/dolaucothi-gold-mines#Facilities%20and%20access
396 Newcastle Emlyn (GT Control)
412 Cilgerran (Control assume NT Castle) near Cardigan (2k NW)
418 YH Poppit Sands (bed? for 2 x 200+ days): https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/poppit-sands (4km NW of Cardigan)
428 YH Newport (bed? for 2 x 200+ days; right on route) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/newport-pembrokeshire
464 St David's (Control) (YH no beds available 27 Jul)
506 Pembroke (Control)
515 YH Manorbier (bed? - night 2 of two 250+k days) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/manorbier
544 Laugharne Spar/Select store open 7am - 10pm
627 Llanwrtydd Wells (Control - will be in Audax Cymru hands by then)
663 Elan Valley
http://www.elanvalley.org.uk/visit/visitor-centre (open 9:30 - 5?)
715 Aberffrwyd (Control - 3k ESE of Aberystwyth)
717 Aberystwyth (GT Control)
725 YH Borth (bed? Day 3 (250,250,200)(10k N of Aberystwyth) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/borth
765 Tywyn (GT Control) Skippy's Fish and Chips, Spar shop 8am-9pm)
784 Arthog (Control - just south of Barmouth bridge)
788 Barmouth (good bunkhouse http://www.bunkorama.co.uk/ albeit up challenging hill (2km) 250+,250+,270)
836 YH Snowdon Ranger (bed after 4 x 200+) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/snowdon-ranger
852 Llanberis (Control)
Up and over Pen-y-pas
875 YH (before) Betws-y-Coed (bed after 4 x 200+) https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/betws-y-coed
882 Conwy Falls Cafe, on the junction of the A5 & B4406 (Penmachno turn)
http://www.conwyfalls.com/
886 Penmachno Eagles pub (open 14-2300 Sat)(beds as well)
943 Abertridwr (Control - imm after Lake Vyrnwy - Audax Cymru in VH)
Dafarn Newydd https://dafarnnewyddstores.wales/
1012 Upton Magna
Post by: thing1 on 01 March, 2018, 07:56:52 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 March, 2018, 08:34:47 pm
Post by: Mr Green on 02 March, 2018, 06:17:44 pm
Very excited about this ride. All I have to do is loose the half a stone I have put on since last summer.
Arthur
Post by: whosatthewheel on 02 March, 2018, 06:22:40 pm
Signed up at 7:00am yesterday. It says on my members page of AukUK website that I'm registered, so can I assume I'm ne of the 'lucky' 100?
Very excited about this ride. All I have to do is loose the half a stone I have put on since last summer.
Arthur
The members calendar page on the AUK website is not the reliable way to check, the way to make sure is, whilst logged in, refresh the MC1K 3 page and it should say at the top that you have entered this event... if that pops up, then you are 100% sure you are in
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 02 March, 2018, 06:42:49 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 02 March, 2018, 07:06:22 pm
Now enjoying planning all my training rides. During July I'm going to take a couple of days off work for long DIYs without annoying family to much.
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Post by: U.N.Dulates on 03 March, 2018, 07:41:43 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 03 March, 2018, 08:02:48 pm
60 finishers tells me that completing the ride is an achievable ambition.
Of course what that doesn't tell you is that there were also 25 riders who didn't finish.
Post by: Thing2 on 03 March, 2018, 09:12:04 pm
Confirmation emails now sent out to all of the 102 entries received so far. Will take a few more entries yet to allow for the inevitable DNS. Audax Club Bristol have gone for the team prize with 18 entries. 7 ladies, so hopefully rabbit won't remain as the sole female finisher. 2 tandems (that I know of) and 1 trike. 15 repeat offenders having ridden at least one previous edition, and 2 going for their third completion.
Awesome. 8 years ago seems like a long time when we were the only tandem and I was the only female starter! Just hoping we actually finish this time.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 04 March, 2018, 11:12:56 am
Early days, I know, but is there likely to be some kind of "helpers ride" ahead of the main event?
While I am not mentally ready for the all brevet, I'd love to ride the day 2 loop in the south west, as it's a part of Wales I have never explored on pedals...
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 04 March, 2018, 06:06:35 pm
John,That depends on what interest there is for one. We're intending to take the tandem round the GT and that's probably the better option for a helpers ride as it suits an unsupported ride better. Haven't decided on the exact dates yet but will probably be during the official helpers ride window. All company is welcome.
Early days, I know, but is there likely to be some kind of "helpers ride" ahead of the main event?
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While I am not mentally ready for the all brevet, I'd love to ride the day 2 loop in the south west, as it's a part of Wales I have never explored on pedals...May be short notice but we're checking the Day 2 loop (along with the Elenydd) over Easter. Again you're welcome to join us.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 04 March, 2018, 06:22:01 pm
May be short notice but we're checking the Day 2 loop (along with the Elenydd) over Easter. Again you're welcome to join us.
Would love to, but I'l be in Italy over Easter... might even be a couple of degrees warmer than Wales... ;D
Post by: paul851 on 04 March, 2018, 07:33:18 pm
Paul
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 04 March, 2018, 07:54:59 pm
Is there room for another trike ?Always room for another trike.
Paul
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 04 March, 2018, 10:15:53 pm
Otherwise, as noted earlier in the thread, you can get a ride if you have: ridden both previous editions and are going for the triple; have a spouse or significant other helping; have volunteered on a previous edition; or ride a tandem, trike or recumbent. In which case get in touch with me here or by email.
Or you can enter the Grand Tour (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-384/) - plenty of spaces going there.
Post by: simonp on 04 March, 2018, 11:16:09 pm
Post by: lenurbki on 05 March, 2018, 10:49:59 pm
Here's my list for comment:
Col Altitude (m)
1 Long Mynd (Thresholds) 409
2 Stiperstones (Upper Knolls) 429
3 Bwlch y sarnau hill 471
4 Bwlch Llwyn Bach 356
5 Llanbedr Hill 440
6 Gospel Pass 549
7 Mynydd Eppynt B4519 455
8 Devil’s Staircase 475
9 Mynydd Llanybydder 402
10 Bodtalog (Rhyader-Cwmystwyth road) 402
11 The Arch B4574 378
12 Pen y pass 359
13 Cwm Hafodredwydd B4407 485
14 Hirnant Pass 501
15 Fronheulog B4393 336
Total 6447
A decent weekend's col bagging, no?
Post by: Clemo on 05 March, 2018, 11:14:39 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 05 March, 2018, 11:17:42 pm
I lived in Wales for a time, but never quite grasped the language/pronunciation. Will have to work on it beforehand I think.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 March, 2018, 07:11:32 am
Any OCD folks taking part? Anyone with a list of cols? Anyone who cares or knows what I'm talking about?
Here's my list for comment:
Col Altitude (m)
1 Long Mynd (Thresholds) 409
2 Stiperstones (Upper Knolls) 429
3 Bwlch y sarnau hill 471
4 Bwlch Llwyn Bach 356
5 Llanbedr Hill 440
6 Gospel Pass 549
7 Mynydd Eppynt B4519 455
8 Devil’s Staircase 475
9 Mynydd Llanybydder 402
10 Bodtalog (Rhyader-Cwmystwyth road) 402
11 The Arch B4574 378
12 Pen y pass 359
13 Cwm Hafodredwydd B4407 485
14 Hirnant Pass 501
15 Fronheulog B4393 336
Total 6447
A decent weekend's col bagging, no?
You can't take the elevation from sea level... you need the actual climbing height, which is a lot less, possibly around 4K
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 March, 2018, 07:36:06 am
You might be thinking of AAA. http://www.aukweb.net/ocd/Any OCD folks taking part? Anyone with a list of cols? Anyone who cares or knows what I'm talking about?
Here's my list for comment:
Col Altitude (m)
1 Long Mynd (Thresholds) 409
2 Stiperstones (Upper Knolls) 429
3 Bwlch y sarnau hill 471
4 Bwlch Llwyn Bach 356
5 Llanbedr Hill 440
6 Gospel Pass 549
7 Mynydd Eppynt B4519 455
8 Devil’s Staircase 475
9 Mynydd Llanybydder 402
10 Bodtalog (Rhyader-Cwmystwyth road) 402
11 The Arch B4574 378
12 Pen y pass 359
13 Cwm Hafodredwydd B4407 485
14 Hirnant Pass 501
15 Fronheulog B4393 336
Total 6447
A decent weekend's col bagging, no?
You can't take the elevation from sea level... you need the actual climbing height, which is a lot less, possibly around 4K
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 March, 2018, 05:06:10 pm
For the Grand Tour version the speed ranges are 14.3 - 25 kph http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-384/
Does this seem right?
Andy Corless
Post by: mattc on 08 March, 2018, 06:11:09 pm
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Choose your own daily distances and overnight stops but a minimum of 4 days must be at least 200km and ridden within a 14.3kph minimum speed for BR validation.
This seems to be how multi-day BRs often work - each *day* has a min of 14.3kph. But you can then rest for 10 hours before attempting the next leg :)
Post by: simonp on 08 March, 2018, 06:46:54 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 08 March, 2018, 07:13:36 pm
I think AC is surprised by the 16.7kph maximum for the standard event. I am too. I know orgs are allowed to set a reduced maximum but I didn’t think it went that low.
Not an issue, looking at past MC1K, nobody got close to that... I think that's the final one.. controls along the way allow much higher averages
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 08 March, 2018, 07:55:45 pm
(This is not necessarily because it's that hard a ride but because it's set up to ride "collegiate style" with the field regrouping each night. It would undoubtedly be possible for a fast rider to get round significantly faster riding non-stop but on experience of the past editions, those riders prefer to use their extra time in hand to get more sleep. This makes for a more sociable experience on an event with a relatively small field rather than the fast riders disappearing off into the distance - and means resources can be concentrated where/when they provide the most benefit overall rather than having to man controls for hours with very little happening).
This time round based on that experience the maximum speed has been further reduced to 16.7kph (60hrs). That only applies at the finish control - intermediate controls have higher maximum speeds which taper down throughout the event.
The GT version, as noted is set up to be ridden as 4x200km+ @ 14.3kph. There is an overall limit for the finish control as well. The event planner is so heavily geared towards the "standard" event format that there's not really any way to reflect this though.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 08 March, 2018, 08:02:03 pm
There's more cols than vowels.
I lived in Wales for a time, but never quite grasped the language/pronunciation. Will have to work on it beforehand I think.
If it helps (probably not) Welsh is a phonetic language (unlike say English) so once you learn the sounds of the individual letters it's not that hard to string words together. You also need to remember that 'w' and 'y' are vowels in the Welsh alphabet, and 'll', 'ff' and 'dd' are actually just single letters
Post by: Andy Corless on 09 March, 2018, 03:45:32 pm
Andy Corless
Post by: Smeth on 10 March, 2018, 11:53:01 pm
There's more cols than vowels.
I lived in Wales for a time, but never quite grasped the language/pronunciation. Will have to work on it beforehand I think.
Welsh is a phonetic language
Googled a few Welsh language topics. Been visiting Wales all my life. Never bothered to pick up more than road signs whereas in other countries I've at least learned counting, greetings, please and thank you. What would the response be to an English numpty using a word or two of Welsh? Possibly suspect p**s taking or "sorry mate, please speak English? Or like elsewhere, an appreciation you're making an effort however inept?
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Post by: vistaed on 13 April, 2018, 11:30:59 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 08 May, 2018, 08:41:16 pm
(http://forcegb.com/public/images/images/1523356063.jpg)
http://forcegb.com/club-shops/millie-cymru (http://forcegb.com/club-shops/millie-cymru) [sic]
More details, prices & sizing etc are all on the ForceGB website. Orders direct from them as well.
Post by: psyclist on 08 May, 2018, 08:57:02 pm
The Jersey for this year's event is now available from ForceGB
:thumbsup: Looks good.
One ordered, now I just need to complete the ride to be worthy
Post by: nomeansno on 09 May, 2018, 10:07:29 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 09 May, 2018, 10:15:31 am
Post by: Bernster on 09 May, 2018, 10:27:21 am
That jersey looks great. Just a quick (and most probably stupid) question. What is the difference between the "Short Sleeve Club Jersey" and the "Short Sleeve Event Jersey" ? The description is exactly the same except the bullet points at the bottom of more expensive one.Based on other events that Force GB have provided jerseys for, the club jersey is more of a race/slim fit, and has slightly more features. Don't take that as gospel though, hopefully someone will be along shortly who knows more than I do.
Post by: Smeth on 09 May, 2018, 10:27:39 am
Event is more relaxed fit. I have an LEL one so same again. And +1 to a good design.
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Post by: Steve Orchard on 09 May, 2018, 11:30:02 am
http://forcegb.com/products/jerseys
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Post by: thing1 on 14 May, 2018, 03:25:35 pm
Happily that extensive research should pay off well for my second MC jersey :)
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a closing date for orders? (i.e., can we order after the ride?)
Thanks
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 14 May, 2018, 07:00:56 pm
Post by: thing1 on 14 May, 2018, 08:10:13 pm
Post by: eddum on 06 June, 2018, 10:58:03 am
(asking for a friend obvs)
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 06 June, 2018, 06:04:15 pm
Post by: eddum on 06 June, 2018, 09:51:05 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 23 June, 2018, 12:39:42 pm
A couple more hands at Llanwrtyd on the nights of Thursday 26th and/or Fri 27th would be useful.
At Tintern on the afternoon/evening of Thursday 26th
But we can always fit another pair of hands in somewhere if these don't suit.
Anyone willing to help, just get it touch with me either by PM on here or via email (details on the AUK event page).
Thanks, John.
Post by: Tewdric on 08 July, 2018, 12:01:21 am
There's more cols than vowels.
I lived in Wales for a time, but never quite grasped the language/pronunciation. Will have to work on it beforehand I think.
Welsh is a phonetic language
Googled a few Welsh language topics. Been visiting Wales all my life. Never bothered to pick up more than road signs whereas in other countries I've at least learned counting, greetings, please and thank you. What would the response be to an English numpty using a word or two of Welsh? Possibly suspect p**s taking or "sorry mate, please speak English? Or like elsewhere, an appreciation you're making an effort however inept?
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I'm running the Tintern control and you are very welcome to speak Welsh!
Post by: Spinderella on 08 July, 2018, 10:32:15 pm
I realise it won't matter much if the weather doesn't change! !
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 09 July, 2018, 01:26:38 pm
Random question: Do we need bedding/blankets for the three overnights/few hours kip?
No, airbeds and blankets are supplied. You'll need a towel if you want to take advantage of the showers. All covered in the info pack download from the event page of the AUK website.
I realise it won't matter much if the weather doesn't change! !You'd be surprised at how cold it can get in Snowdonia even in summer. Final night in 2014 was down to <5C even after a scorching hot day.
Post by: psyclist on 09 July, 2018, 06:31:28 pm
Post by: vistaed on 09 July, 2018, 08:13:09 pm
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 09 July, 2018, 09:48:54 pm
Random question: Do we need bedding/blankets for the three overnights/few hours kip?I would. I thought it was warm enough to get away without on mille pennines but I woke up cold each morning.
I realise it won't matter much if the weather doesn't change! !
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 10 July, 2018, 08:26:02 pm
Post by: Phil W on 10 July, 2018, 08:40:44 pm
Random question: Do we need bedding/blankets for the three overnights/few hours kip?
No, airbeds and blankets are supplied. You'll need a towel if you want to take advantage of the showers. All covered in the info pack download from the event page of the AUK website.I realise it won't matter much if the weather doesn't change! !You'd be surprised at how cold it can get in Snowdonia even in summer. Final night in 2014 was down to <5C even after a scorching hot day.
At Bets-Y-Coed the early riders 7-9pm sat down drinking beers. From 10pm riders came in shivering and were wrapped in a single blanket as they came in. From 11pm riders were wrapped in two blankets as they came in. Those who arrived after midnight were semi hypothermic. Do not underestimate how cold it gets from Llanberis. pass to Bets-Y-Coed where you are not generating that much heat.
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 10 July, 2018, 08:59:16 pm
Post by: vistaed on 10 July, 2018, 10:01:39 pm
Off to route check tomorrow (GT stylee as a helpers ride, staying at Raglan, Newport (Pembrokeshire), Llanwrtyd & Llanberis)Have a good ride. I've been route planning this evening and starting to get into to 'zone'. I've even booked a campsite. Looks like Sunday will be a short day.
Post by: psyclist on 10 July, 2018, 11:26:16 pm
Post by: psyclist on 17 July, 2018, 06:46:13 pm
Off to route check tomorrow (GT stylee as a helpers ride, staying at Raglan, Newport (Pembrokeshire), Llanwrtyd & Llanberis)
Did John enjoy it so much he’s going around again? Any news?
Post by: Clemo on 17 July, 2018, 07:15:04 pm
Probably recovering i should imagine :thumbsup:Off to route check tomorrow (GT stylee as a helpers ride, staying at Raglan, Newport (Pembrokeshire), Llanwrtyd & Llanberis)
Did John enjoy it so much he’s going around again? Any news?
Edit: The long range weather forecast is a tad hot
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 17 July, 2018, 08:40:17 pm
I'd been hoping the heat wave would break, and it did the following day - woke up to a grey and drizzly morning. Progress was slow up to Brecon where the sun came out again for the climb over the Eppynt. That was a false dawn though as the heavens opened on the way in to Llangammarch. Sheltered from the rain for a while over lunch in Llanwrtyd before heading on, but the rain had increased and varied between persistent and biblical. Foolishly I'd only brought a lightweight showerproof after looking at the forecast (which the weather clearly hadn't bothered to take note of) so now drenched and with the rain showing no signs of stopping any time soon decided that we didn't fancy another 4-5 hours of it over to Newport and headed back to Llanwrtyd and a B&B.
We'd route checked the Pembrokeshire loop not that long ago using the route sheet from 4 years ago and made no changes at all, so decided we could do without doing it again and rejigged our plan to tour round the remainder in slightly shorter stages. Dodged another thunderstorm whilst having lunch in the Elan Valley Visitor Centre - this one very localised as it was dry up at the dams (the reservoirs could have done with some rain). Glorious sunshine after that all the way across to Aber and the coast. You'll love the 25% to get out of Aber - walked that one as well although our excuse was that the polis had closed the road as someone had just gone straight on at the T junction at the bottom into the wall opposite. After that things are somewhat flatter up the coast and another glorious day on Saturday, complete with tailwind took us to Llanberis. Then it was just back over the mountains on Sunday to the Shire. 775k done in total over the 5 days. Wales is looking as wonderful as ever, if a tad less green than usual.
Catching up now - the route sheet for both events is updated and uploaded to the AUK website. GPS files to sort out now. As usual, seems like s**tloads to do with one week to go.
Post by: psyclist on 18 July, 2018, 05:30:40 am
Post by: GPS on 18 July, 2018, 07:55:21 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 18 July, 2018, 08:20:13 am
Yes - one week to go! :o
Better get on with those hill reps... :thumbsup:
Post by: JonB on 18 July, 2018, 10:30:42 am
Better get on with those hill reps... :thumbsup:
Fitted my 30-12 cassette ... that's my prep so far
Post by: Steve Orchard on 18 July, 2018, 10:56:02 am
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Post by: whosatthewheel on 18 July, 2018, 11:41:17 am
Hopefully they won't be needed, but I'll be happy to help if needs be.
There will be other tools for more conventional jobs too
It will be a great adventure out there for you lot... :thumbsup:
Post by: swiss hat on 18 July, 2018, 12:11:23 pm
I had hoped to ride this edition but will be pleased to help and experience it from a different perspective. The two previous editions were really special. It will be a great adventure indeed :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Tewdric on 18 July, 2018, 06:56:45 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 18 July, 2018, 07:06:12 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 18 July, 2018, 08:03:37 pm
But I can't download the RS or GPX - does anyone have a copy they could share?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 18 July, 2018, 08:25:41 pm
Route sheet updated following the route check, spent yesterday evening splitting the GPS track into separate files and formatting - one set for newer devices with the route split into 3 @ Llanwrtyd, and one set for older devices with a 500point limit split into separate tracks for each leg. All on the website to download. For .TCX and .FIT go to RWGPS. Final update emails sent out to all riders (103 at latest count) so check your spam filters if nowt arrives.
Post by: JamesBradbury on 18 July, 2018, 08:38:52 pm
Post by: andyp on 21 July, 2018, 07:47:06 pm
<snip> all riders (103 at latest count) so check your spam filters if nowt arrives.All very quiet in this thread! ...I have a theory that pre-ride forum chat is inversely proportional to the anxiety of the field about the challenge ahead... anyway, just reading through the excellent event info and email (thanks John) and was wondering if the 24hour garage at Betws y coed knows we're coming? As I'll be one of the last to get there I wouldn't want to embarrass myself by sinking into a corner sobbing if it looks like a plague of locusts had been through when I arrive :facepalm:. I'm happy to call them, but don't want to annoy them if they already know.
Post by: Basil on 21 July, 2018, 08:19:59 pm
Post by: JayP on 21 July, 2018, 08:32:06 pm
with the Tea Kit
can't say where
COZ IT'S SECRIT 8)
Post by: Steve Orchard on 21 July, 2018, 08:51:26 pm
Shame you're using the Llandysul by pass. You'll miss my house by about 1/2 mile. Thought about walking up toI had spotted the petrol station and shop in Llandysul so might make a small diversion to get supplies as it is a long stage on Friday morning.point and laughwave and encourage, but can't work the timing.
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Post by: Basil on 21 July, 2018, 09:29:05 pm
Post by: Deano on 21 July, 2018, 10:15:51 pm
Shame you're using the Llandysul by pass. You'll miss my house by about 1/2 mile. Thought about walking up topoint and laughwave and encourage, but can't work the timing.
Hopefully midmorning Friday.
Post by: Peter on 21 July, 2018, 10:19:57 pm
I'll be there
with the Tea Kit
can't say where
COZ IT'S SECRIT 8)
John Donne, again?
Post by: Deano on 21 July, 2018, 10:32:32 pm
I'll be there
with the Tea Kit
can't say where
COZ IT'S SECRIT 8)
John Donne, again?
Busy olde fool, unruly Sunne, why dost though thus
Through treetops and through Valleys call on us?
Fuck off somewhere else cos I don't want it too hot.
Post by: Peter on 21 July, 2018, 10:44:26 pm
Post by: Deano on 21 July, 2018, 10:48:21 pm
Post by: Peter on 21 July, 2018, 11:13:01 pm
Post by: alwyn on 22 July, 2018, 09:19:19 am
As well as my usual corned beef hash and bean soup, I'll probably do a (vegan) lentil shepherds pie. My freezer is full of cake and next Friday I'll be making lots of bread for sandwiches and toast.
We won't make the mistake we did last time of giving the early riders the best beds. We'll save those for the poor souls at the back, who only seem to get a couple of hours kip (if that) on the last night.
Post by: Tewdric on 22 July, 2018, 10:02:06 am
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 22 July, 2018, 12:02:59 pm
One piece of heartening news - there will be a bar at the Tintern control so you'll be able to get a pint if you want to fire you across to Brecon!Just sat down to do some prep for the ride. Pot belge might be more to my needs.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 22 July, 2018, 12:37:10 pm
...was wondering if the 24hour garage at Betws y coed knows we're coming? As I'll be one of the last to get there I wouldn't want to embarrass myself by sinking into a corner sobbing if it looks like a plague of locusts had been through when I arrive :facepalm:. I'm happy to call them, but don't want to annoy them if they already know.
Well, I haven't arranged anything with them.
Spent yesterday printing and labelling up the brevet cards and tags for the drop bags, planning our menu for Llanwrtyd, and confirming the arrangements with the first control at Bwlch y Sarnau - the community run Glyndwr's Way (http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/) cafe are opening up specially for us, and a sandwich/cake/banana/drink meal deal is included in your entry fee.
All in we've got staffed controls with food included everywhere except for 3 on the second day and Llanberis (where Pete's Eats are primed for your arrival).
Weather forecast is looking pretty good atm - less hot (~20C) than it was looking a few days ago which is good. As I can attest from the route check the Welsh weather doesn't pay much attention to the forecast though.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 22 July, 2018, 12:43:10 pm
I think that guarantees it to piss it down for the entire duration.
Post by: Basil on 22 July, 2018, 02:21:01 pm
I believe that there is a nasty coffee machine in the petrol station (I'll check). CK's (not very) supermarket next door good for instant carbs.
There is a coffee machine and an ATM
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 23 July, 2018, 01:14:19 am
Post by: thing1 on 23 July, 2018, 09:02:57 am
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/22/longest-lunar-eclipse-century-uk-celestial-thrill
Longest lunar eclipse of century to give UK a rare celestial thrill
Spectacular blood moon will be visible from Friday night until next morning
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 23 July, 2018, 10:45:50 am
Post by: Steve Orchard on 23 July, 2018, 11:01:31 am
Completed LEL on 11-12 hours in total.
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Post by: JamesBradbury on 23 July, 2018, 11:13:42 am
Sunset is about 9:20pm. Based on my time around the Elenydd in April, I think I'll need to do 3 to 5 hours of riding after dark each day. I'm hoping to complete day one in a similar time to my Elenydd, then probably an extra two hours for the second day if reports are to be believed. So if I set off on the second day about 6am, two hours earlier than the previous day's start, I should arrive back at Llanwrtyd about the same time. I won't nap during the day unless I'm dangerously sleepy which is rare for me - the problem is usually getting to sleep!
If that goes to plan I'll aim to be on the road at 6am the next two days as well.
That said, I'm planning to have sufficient lighting and spare batteries in the drop bag for some through the night efforts if required.
What are people thinking of putting in their drop bags?
Post by: whosatthewheel on 23 July, 2018, 11:18:24 am
I'm hoping to complete day one in a similar time to my Elenydd, then probably an extra two hours for the second day if reports are to be believed.
Never done a mille, but on a 600 day two is a lot slower than day one for me, even on exactly the same roads... My guess is you need to make good time on day one to get a few hours sleep or you will run on a deficit way too early and struggle to make control times. If you can make the first night control before midnight you're in a good place...
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 23 July, 2018, 11:25:25 am
I'm expecting about 2 hours per nightChrist.
If that goes to plan I'll aim to be on the road at 6am the next two days as well.6am at the latest is my working plan, see how I go on the day(s) though. If I can get away an hour earlier, that'd be grand, but even later wouldn't be end of days as you could make up time by riding through the last night.
Post by: Smeth on 23 July, 2018, 12:18:36 pm
Are people planning on doing much night riding? What are people thinking in terms of sleep strategies?Get to sleep stop as soon as I can and (if it's still dark) sleep until departing at dawn. Not so much a plan as a necessity. If this fails, daytime cat nap in the shade if it gets hot.
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Post by: GPS on 23 July, 2018, 12:41:44 pm
Riding off into the dawn often gives me a lift. It's the coldest part of the day, but it's easier to get going (for me anyway) at dawn than in the small hours.
Any sleep I can get before then will be most welcome ...
Post by: andyp on 23 July, 2018, 03:13:52 pm
Thanks John, sounds great! ...I doubt imagine there'll be much open in Llanberis by the time I get there :facepalm: on reflection, as it's summer holidays i doubt the garage will need to do much different as there'll be a lot more cars than bikes so they'll probably carry as much stock as they can as I expect it's one of their busier weeks... and anyway, I'll no doubt be happy to eat/stick in the Carradice whatever they've got left.
Spent yesterday printing and labelling up the brevet cards and tags for the drop bags, planning our menu for Llanwrtyd, and confirming the arrangements with the first control at Bwlch y Sarnau - the community run Glyndwr's Way (http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/) cafe are opening up specially for us, and a sandwich/cake/banana/drink meal deal is included in your entry fee.
All in we've got staffed controls with food included everywhere except for 3 on the second day and Llanberis (where Pete's Eats are primed for your arrival).
Post by: rottenhat on 23 July, 2018, 03:22:36 pm
Are people planning on doing much night riding? What are people thinking in terms of sleep strategies?
Make the most of daylight hours, minimise riding in the dark...finish the first day by midnight, fart around for an hour or so showering and eating, sleep three hours, fart around for an hour eating and summoning up the will to leave, get back on the road at 5. Hope to finish the second day by 10:30 or 11, same routine as the previous night but with more sleep, back on the road at 5. Might push on through the third night to get it over with, might not, depending on how much fun the Lake Vrynwy control is and how sparky I'm feeling...it is a pretty benign run for home.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 23 July, 2018, 04:32:17 pm
Day 1 is 300k, with a similar amount of climbing to the Elenydd. 16-17hrs to get to Llanwrtyd before 1 will give time for a couple of hours kip before heading out again at 5am latest.
Day 2 is 320k, the amount of climbing is similar but as everyone will tell you, it's not a quick ride on this leg, and the 2018 version is tougher by some way than the 2014 route. The first 240k particularly - once you get to Laugharne the 80k back to Llanwrtyd are definitely easier. Whatever you do on Day 1 you can add an hour for the extra 20k, another hour because you're tired and another hour because it's just a slow part of the route. So leaving at 5am will get you back for midnight-1am again with time for another few hours kip.
Day 3 is another 320k to Vyrnwy. An early start will see you with a decent chance of making Pete's Eats (230k), which I'd definitely be wanting to do, as the 90k from there to Vyrnwy is hard - 3 big mountain climbs, remote country, and almost certainly in the dark - you really want some time in hand leaving Llanberis. Once you get past Aberystwyth though it's an easy run up the coast so you can get some time back on the way to Llanberis.
From Vyrnwy it's an easy run back to the finish once you've got the initial climb away from the lake done with. There'll be plenty of sleeping space at Vyrnwy and Danial runs a great control, so get another couple of hours kip and leave at first light again to do the last bit in daylight and finish at a civilised hour (which I definitely will appreciate not having to stay up all night).
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 23 July, 2018, 05:39:46 pm
I forgot to mention the heat. If it's going to be roasting again, I'll be looking to leave well early and taking the siesta approach. I'm too ginger for it.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 23 July, 2018, 05:49:32 pm
Post by: andyp on 23 July, 2018, 06:00:01 pm
Day 2 ...and the 2018 version is tougher by some way than the 2014 route. The first 240k particularlyI'm pretty sure Day 2 of the 2014 version was the hardest thing I've ever ridden. Well, that's how it felt. Harder?! Excellent :thumbsup:
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 23 July, 2018, 06:07:43 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 23 July, 2018, 09:24:40 pm
I'm doing my usual thing of trying to identify all the controls via Google streetview so it shouldn't require much effort to find them when I'm tired and it might be dark.
I think I've found the Cwmyoy village hall tucked away a little after Llanthony, but I can't identify Llwyncelyn Farm. It doesn't seem to be marked on the map. I'm hoping there will be nice bright AUK banners outside on the day. I'm a little worried only knowing that it's near Cilgerran, plus or minus 2km. I noticed the GPX file has a tiny branch to the South-East around 106km - is that it?
The Aberystwyth control is in... an industrial estate? ;D
Post by: JonBuoy on 23 July, 2018, 09:34:27 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 23 July, 2018, 09:42:04 pm
The RWGPS route linked from the calendar page has all the controls marked precisely if you want to snoop around on StreetView.
The Aberystwyth control is in... an industrial estate? ;D
Yes, Andy Cox will be running that one - his boss has volunteered his work place - kitchens, toilets, sleeping space & showers plus bike workshop. We used up all the glamour with the National 400 control at the Bandstand last year, so no visit to the seafront for you, just the industrial estate.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Afan+Electrical+Ltd/@52.4015664,-4.0497737,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x486f76233be270d1:0xa2f7c8bb8e48ea62!8m2!3d52.4015664!4d-4.0475797 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Afan+Electrical+Ltd/@52.4015664,-4.0497737,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x486f76233be270d1:0xa2f7c8bb8e48ea62!8m2!3d52.4015664!4d-4.0475797)
Post by: JamesBradbury on 23 July, 2018, 09:53:24 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 23 July, 2018, 09:59:47 pm
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I'm hoping there will be nice bright AUK banners outside on the day.
Yes, all the staffed controls have been issued with big AUK banners
Post by: Lee Killestein on 24 July, 2018, 02:42:19 pm
They told me any further print runs will depend on an order from 'Audax'??? If i'd have known there was a deadline i'd have thrown my money at them!
Are there many other riders like me that want a jersey but were holding off until after they'd earned it?
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 24 July, 2018, 02:51:43 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 24 July, 2018, 02:53:36 pm
Post by: Lee Killestein on 24 July, 2018, 03:01:15 pm
Well there was obviously a deadline for getting your jersey before the event, but I was expecting that they would continue to be available afterwards. I'll follow it up after the event with Danial to see about getting them on the ForceGB shop again as I'm sure there'll be others wanting a jersey after they've earned it.
Thanks John. I'm not surprised there was a deadline, I just didn't know when it was. I expected the club shop to stay open on their website to allow them to collect orders until the optimum number was reached to make another print run economically viable for them. Really need to make sure I get round now! :P
Post by: thing1 on 24 July, 2018, 03:46:40 pm
https://smallpdf.com/word-to-pdf seems to do a good job converting it to PDF (just the first online converting tool I tried... I would never recommend such things for personal docs)
For your convenience, I uploaded my converted PDFs: Route sheet (Update 24/Jul) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UhifVaoc1hfeAJHipEFBrL1s9yZnFkol/view), Info sheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cnpx926LSpGkIJ--ct8GkBhvmGTVNeXm/view)
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 24 July, 2018, 06:35:55 pm
The timing means that all but the fastest riders will be affected. The closure is for resurfacing at the Gilwern RAB at the western end of the closure, which is annoying as the route takes the A465 for all of 1k to the Llanfoist turn off, but I expect they've closed it from the Hardwick RAB to prevent all the traffic off the A465 taking to the local roads through Llanfoist, Govilon and Gilwern.
As a consequence I've updated the route to follow the A40 through Abergavenny itself all the way through Crickhowell & Bwlch to Brecon (the simplest option as it just requires you to follow the A40). Traffic on the A40 should be light at that time, but you can always cut back to the B road on the S side of the Usk at Crickhowell if you prefer. RWGPS route has been updated, and I'll be doing the route sheet and GPS files imminently.
Post by: JamesBradbury on 24 July, 2018, 08:29:21 pm
The site says, "24 Jul 20:30 - 28 Jul 06:00" - that's starting today, erm now! So I guess it will affect even the fastest riders.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 24 July, 2018, 09:02:51 pm
Route sheet & GPS files modified & uploaded to AUKWeb. The only section affected is Tintern-Llanwrtyd (the Day1 and Stage 4 files in the GPX set). Hard copy of the diversion printed and will be included with your brevet cards.
Diversion saves all of 0.5km
Post by: JamesBradbury on 24 July, 2018, 09:15:01 pm
Also thanks Thing1, that was exactly what I needed. I probably would've fiddled around for ages otherwise! ::-)
Post by: Millepete on 25 July, 2018, 08:33:24 am
Post by: Steve Orchard on 25 July, 2018, 09:12:07 am
I'm surprised that no-one has queried the comment on the route sheet about "Firing is scheduled to take place until 2.30am" on the military range on Mynydd Eppynt. Does this mean we may be stopped from crossing or should we exchange our cycling helmet for a tin hat and push on through?Or is it a case of "Stay on the road. Keep clear of the moors." ?
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Post by: john jackson on 25 July, 2018, 09:20:58 am
Keep to the road and you will be fine. Do not leave the road and have a sleap in the soft heather. The sound of firing will increase your riding speed!!!I'm surprised that no-one has queried the comment on the route sheet about "Firing is scheduled to take place until 2.30am" on the military range on Mynydd Eppynt. Does this mean we may be stopped from crossing or should we exchange our cycling helmet for a tin hat and push on through?Or is it a case of "Stay on the road. Keep clear of the moors." ?
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Post by: U.N.Dulates on 25 July, 2018, 09:27:53 am
8 Grand Tour riders set off this morning for their 5 day trip round Wales. Time to go and do some more shopping now...
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 25 July, 2018, 11:28:08 am
I'm surprised that no-one has queried the comment on the route sheet about "Firing is scheduled to take place until 2.30am" on the military range on Mynydd Eppynt. Does this mean we may be stopped from crossing or should we exchange our cycling helmet for a tin hat and push on through?I was too busy trying to work out how to pronounce it.
Post by: andyp on 25 July, 2018, 11:44:20 am
However 4 years ago some riders were delayed due to exercises on the ranges (they got a good show of pyrotechnics), so it is possible - so if a squaddie with a gun tells you to stop then do as you're told.
it was funny, I think they stopped what they thought was a lone rider because they didn't want him to get in the way of their ambush, but by the time there was a whole group assembled they realised that the people they were supposed to be ambushing would be able to tell they were there because they'd stopped a whole bunch of cyclists, so gave up and let us through.
Post by: Ajax Bay on 26 July, 2018, 12:33:26 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 26 July, 2018, 12:46:39 pm
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Post by: U.N.Dulates on 26 July, 2018, 06:37:46 pm
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Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 July, 2018, 07:53:02 am
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 27 July, 2018, 08:27:28 am
Post by: Mothy on 27 July, 2018, 08:37:37 am
I hope to see the rest at Vyrnwy tomorrow evening, but at that rate of attrition it will indeed be an elite few!
Post by: Basil on 27 July, 2018, 08:44:00 am
Post by: Shugg McGraw on 27 July, 2018, 10:38:01 am
An excellent event over 10 days. A bit too much of a struggle over 5.
Good luck to everyone who is still hanging in.
Post by: Basil on 27 July, 2018, 11:19:51 am
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 July, 2018, 01:12:16 pm
Oh heck John
I hope to see the rest at Vyrnwy tomorrow evening, but at that rate of attrition it will indeed be an elite few!
That's always the way. The Dragon never gives an easy ride.
And one more has just bitten the dust as I speak...
Post by: Nuncio on 27 July, 2018, 01:17:43 pm
Just said hi to a lady who was passing Llandysul
That's nice Basil. Is it relevant?
Post by: Basil on 27 July, 2018, 02:24:25 pm
Just said hi to a lady who was passing Llandysul
That's nice Basil. Is it relevant?
She was on the MC route. Looked like an audaxer. So probably.
Post by: vistaed on 27 July, 2018, 08:00:45 pm
Lowering the tone slightly - I've packed from the GT ride. My shame slightly alleviated by finding 2 of the 7 starters on the train with me. Too many hills, too hot and ... too many hills.And I was one of the other 2 on that train of shame. My head was out for a fast tour with time for tea and a read. But those hills with luggage in that heat was anything but fast!
An excellent event over 10 days. A bit too much of a struggle over 5.
Good luck to everyone who is still hanging in.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 27 July, 2018, 08:09:28 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 July, 2018, 09:00:22 pm
Yesterda's heat may be a distant memory tomorrow - forecast wet and increasingly windy for the rest of the ride.
Post by: psyclist on 27 July, 2018, 09:56:11 pm
Lowering the tone slightly - I've packed from the GT ride. My shame slightly alleviated by finding 2 of the 7 starters on the train with me. Too many hills, too hot and ... too many hills.And I was one of the other 2 on that train of shame. My head was out for a fast tour with time for tea and a read. But those hills with luggage in that heat was anything but fast!
An excellent event over 10 days. A bit too much of a struggle over 5.
Good luck to everyone who is still hanging in.
Unlucky both. I believe there were 8 starters on the Grand Tour, 5 still going. I’m currently sat eating a curry in Rhayader, contemplating the rain that will define much of the rest of the ride. It has turned out tougher than I was expecting, reverting to mostly supermarket food to get round in time. Loving every minute of it though. Hopefully those pampered riders on the 75 hour ride are enjoying it as much; I’m pretty sure most will be.
Post by: Double J on 27 July, 2018, 09:58:52 pm
Lowering the tone slightly - I've packed from the GT ride. My shame slightly alleviated by finding 2 of the 7 starters on the train with me. Too many hills, too hot and ... too many hills.And I was one of the other 2 on that train of shame. My head was out for a fast tour with time for tea and a read. But those hills with luggage in that heat was anything but fast!
An excellent event over 10 days. A bit too much of a struggle over 5.
Good luck to everyone who is still hanging in.
I was another GT starter on a train (no other cyclists on this train, just me and not smelling good) from Carmarthen late this afternoon, later than planned start today and struggling with time as I couldn’t see how I was getting to hotel in Rhayader without getting the hotelier out of bed at some unearthly hour. DNF’ng not normally my style but like others the heat, hills and luggage took its toil.
Disappointed that north wales part of route missed but I think it would have been beyond my ability this weekend, so I believe the right decision was made.
Big thanks to John for a brilliant event and fist class organising.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 27 July, 2018, 10:22:26 pm
Post by: vistaed on 27 July, 2018, 10:39:46 pm
Down to 3 on the GT now. 2 came through Llanwrtyd just after 6 this evening heading for rhayader in good spirits.Only 3 left. I hope the remainder of the journey is uneventful for them. I didn't fancy spending the night in a toilet block in the Elan valley to avoid a thunder storm.
Post by: jimc101 on 28 July, 2018, 10:16:54 am
Getting back to the start isn't the easiest from there, I went back with Joseph North, and taking the shortest route seemed to have a lot of climbing it it, but both of us got back to the start eventually.
For the ride, brutal would be a nice way to describe day 1, especially vs what I remember from 4 years ago, very hot, and the lack of shops along the route/almost anywhere except the controls to get water made it harder, a small issue on the bike held me up a little, but once fixed, that didn't cause any more issues.
For the controls, missed having the 'Van of Delights' on the first day, but the 3 on route were excellent, and the Chilli was great at Tintern.
Thanks to John and his team, maybe next time, will see how the knee is in a few year time.
Post by: Phil W on 28 July, 2018, 01:47:53 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 28 July, 2018, 01:52:20 pm
I didn't fancy spending the night in a toilet block in the Elan valley to avoid a thunder storm.Can't say I blame you there, 4am this morning in Llanwrtyd it was absolutely hosing it down and blowing a hoolie. Any early starters, or those still out there would have got a soaking. It's brightened up now but still some short heavy downpours around here in Shropshire, and the wind has really got up - it's going to be very blowy out on the coast and over the hills later. Weather is decidedly more Welsh for the last day.
Post by: Phil W on 28 July, 2018, 02:21:51 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 28 July, 2018, 02:45:54 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 28 July, 2018, 02:47:50 pm
Made it back to Upton Magna. The culling continues and we're down to58[EDIT:] 57 now.
Turning into an epic!
Chilling on the sofa with a cuppa, after cooking at the control for the past couple of nights and little sleep... good luck out there... better you than me 8)
Post by: Andy Corless on 28 July, 2018, 04:49:14 pm
Don't know whether it's of any interest but it looks like you're on for a similar DNF rate that I had on the Mille Pennines. 67 started that event and 46 finished (so about a 3rd of the field DNF).
I disappointingly couldn't make the MC1K this year although I did complete the 2014 edition.
Good Luck to the riders still out there tonight.
Andy Corless
Post by: Von Broad on 28 July, 2018, 06:03:25 pm
Good Luck to the riders still out there tonight.
Quite so
Post by: vistaed on 28 July, 2018, 06:47:16 pm
Goodness me, there can't have been many other UK Audax rides where riders have had to deal with such extremes of weather in the space of a few days!Indeed. I was pondering that it hit 34 degrees going up the Devils Staircase on Thursday and probably dropped off to 10 degrees in the heavy rain overnight on the hills. I did not not pack the range of clothes to deal with that whilst camping.Good Luck to the riders still out there tonight.
Quite so
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 28 July, 2018, 07:31:47 pm
And the first Grand Tour rider has arrived not long ago. Remaining two not expected until tomorrow pm.
Post by: Mothy on 28 July, 2018, 07:44:43 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 28 July, 2018, 08:30:20 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 28 July, 2018, 10:21:59 pm
Post by: Flatlander on 28 July, 2018, 11:58:28 pm
First rider into Varney at 1820, fresh as a daisy and now we’ll on his way to finishing before dark tonight😳
Fresh is probably the wrong term. I've just disassembled myself in my tent at Upton and it definitely isn't fresh. Maybe I seemed a little better at Varney because I had just been blasted by a 30mph hail storm.
Had strong winds and rain from the off this morning but the wind was mostly helpfull until Llanberis and the rain intermittent so not too bad. It helped that I got to Aberystwyth on Friday night. It's just started to rain at Upton.
A brilliant event I shall remember for some time. Thanks Undulates and all the helpers
Post by: Mothy on 29 July, 2018, 12:11:23 am
Post by: ludwig on 29 July, 2018, 08:38:37 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 29 July, 2018, 08:55:41 am
Had strong winds and rain from the off this morning but the wind was mostly helpfull until Llanberis and the rain intermittent so not too bad. It helped that I got to Aberystwyth on Friday night. It's just started to rain at Upton.
A brilliant event I shall remember for some time. Thanks Undulates and all the helpers
Clearly there was a method there... when you left the night control at 10 PM heading towards 90+ km of remoteness at night to reach Aberystwyth I thought it was just madness... :o
Glad it worked out for you!
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 29 July, 2018, 09:25:13 am
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 29 July, 2018, 11:54:07 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 29 July, 2018, 12:25:08 pm
Pretty good given the hard terrain and the fact that only day two was ridden in "acceptable weather conditions"...
Must be the control food that kept them going... ;D
Post by: Tewdric on 29 July, 2018, 01:17:03 pm
Post by: vistaed on 29 July, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 29 July, 2018, 03:29:39 pm
65% finished... or just under two thirds...
Pretty good given the hard terrain and the fact that only day two was ridden in "acceptable weather conditions"...
Must be the control food that kept them going... ;D
Very similar to the completion rate in 2010, when I did it.
Also similar in that almost nobody gave up after completing second day.
Post by: Thing2 on 29 July, 2018, 03:42:59 pm
Post by: Smeth on 29 July, 2018, 04:41:45 pm
John and so many others. Thanks.
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Post by: D.A.L.E. on 29 July, 2018, 08:26:18 pm
Post by: Hammerman on 29 July, 2018, 10:37:37 pm
Post by: 158Tester on 30 July, 2018, 02:01:23 pm
Hats off to all others who finished and also those who attempted.
I leave this event with a sense of achievement and, John, if it does get another 200km then count me in.
Post by: GPS on 30 July, 2018, 02:04:44 pm
The controls were fantastic - well organised, great food (especially the corned beef hash at Vyrnwy!), and all served up with such generosity. It's all quite humbling.
Special thanks to Andy for fixing my rear derailleur cable at Aberystwyth. The idea of riding around thereafter on 2 gears wasn't really inspiring me, it must be said.
What a ride though. It'll take some beating ...
Post by: Millepete on 30 July, 2018, 04:44:17 pm
Post by: ludwig on 30 July, 2018, 05:48:43 pm
Post by: andyp on 30 July, 2018, 06:12:58 pm
Great camaraderie and companionship on the road too as we pedalled round Wales, which made the km's flow. I felt so much stronger the whole way round than last time it didn't matter what the weather or the gradient did I was happy ;-). I had a funny thought on the eve of the ride that everyone would fly round and think my account of the last edition upthread melodramatic, but the faces at Tintern relieved all concern on that score.
Kept having to stop to sleep on the way home, so didn't get back to Dorset until lunchtime ... and still feeling pretty shattered, but very, very happy.
My full (and somewhat excessive) photo set is here:http://bit.ly/2uYN9o4 (http://bit.ly/2uYN9o4), but in my defence: Those skies. That sun, that wind. Those hills.
The edited set is on facebook here:http://bit.ly/2Al1hgB (http://bit.ly/2Al1hgB).
Post by: Millepete on 30 July, 2018, 08:28:37 pm
Post by: psyclist on 30 July, 2018, 08:56:21 pm
Special thanks to Andy for fixing my rear derailleur cable at Aberystwyth.
By deduction I do believe you (GPS) were asking me about my bar bag. It wasn't cheap, especially with taxes and postage added, but I couldn't find an alternative at the time. The bag is by Ornot ... https://uk.ornotbike.com/collections/accessories/products/the-bar-bag (https://uk.ornotbike.com/collections/accessories/products/the-bar-bag)
I rode the Grand Tour, and thought the format was superb. Tough cumulative days, but sufficient time for a nice meal and sleep each night to avoid any sleep deprivation. Most definitely a format that I'd like to see other long distance event organisers consider, and a repeat of Mille Cymru GT would be one I'd enter again.
The contrasting terrain each day was a joy. I especially liked the coastal section around Pembrokeshire, and the Snowdonia section is always special.
I didn't see many of the helpers, but appreciate the work that was put into this. Special thanks to the van of delights crew who tried to stop me in the Elan Valley, but as I'd only just had breakfast in Rhayader I wasn't needing an early stop, and to John for the excellent route and friendly correspondence throughout.
Post by: vistaed on 30 July, 2018, 10:13:05 pm
John, if it does get another 200km then count me in.Now that does interest me, but not as a grand tour!
Post by: Smeth on 30 July, 2018, 10:29:13 pm
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Post by: D.A.L.E. on 30 July, 2018, 10:37:57 pm
Post by: Deano on 30 July, 2018, 11:10:15 pm
Not all the helpers were great; one at Lake Vyrnwy would only give me half a beer, not a full one :hand:
You're a growing lad - it would stunt your growth.
Post by: Deano on 30 July, 2018, 11:21:59 pm
65% finished... or just under two thirds...
Pretty good given the hard terrain and the fact that only day two was ridden in "acceptable weather conditions"...
Must be the control food that kept them going... ;D
Ah, I finally got to try your trifle yesterday morning, and it was as fine as your beef stew :)
Post by: Deano on 30 July, 2018, 11:30:25 pm
Leaving the field of conflict after a doze. Still a few tents here softly breathing. The bike I finished on is near the car. The one I started on is in the back. 34 gears between them. Only one gear still works. The others suffered a terminal bracken injury(?!). Thanks Deano. Without that one donated gear I wouldnt have that choker of a feeling I have right now. What a fellowship of riders and the team. What a ride.
John and so many others. Thanks.
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And there he is:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/43032444464_b261011118_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yCwvE)
I've clagged all my other photos here, there are some entertaining ones of the overnight control at Vyrnwy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30024450@N04/albums/72157699254053574
So I set off feeling a bit shit, and never felt good the whole of day 1. It wasn't really extremely hot, but it was hot enough, and I was overheating on every climb and the strength in my legs was gone - after a while, even walking uphill was a real effort. Then, I had a puncture which I just couldn't fix. Thanks to Dave Cutts from Merseyside for a spare tube which helped, but even that went, and after my third puncture either side of Gospel Pass, and with the temperature only just dropping below 30 degrees at 8 pm, I'd had enough. I rolled down to Monmouth and booked into the youth hostel with a huge sense of relief. It took me a relaxed hour or so in the morning to find the cause and fix it, and to replace the shagged rear brake pads while I was at it. It's a tough ride.
Since I still wanted to ride my bike in Wales, I went and helped a bit at the overnight controls on Friday and Saturday, riding between them at a steady touring pace. I'd planned to ride back to the finish as well, but circumstances prevented that.
Thanks to John and Linda and everyone else for a fun weekend.
Post by: Smeth on 30 July, 2018, 11:47:10 pm
I'd planned to ride back to the finish as well, but circumstances prevented that.
Sorry buddy and yet more thanks. But saved my ride or I'd have been done with only 69k to go. That short wet run-in was fun once I'd remembered how to ride fixed. Now where is that old steel frame with the long drop-outs? Did I really say that? Nooooooh!
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Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 06:15:32 am
Ah, I finally got to try your trifle yesterday morning, and it was as fine as your beef stew :)
The trifle was Linda's work.
I've been eating beef stew leftovers every meal since I left Wales on Saturday... approaching the bottom of the bucket now...
Post by: GPS on 31 July, 2018, 08:37:58 am
Special thanks to Andy for fixing my rear derailleur cable at Aberystwyth.
By deduction I do believe you (GPS) were asking me about my bar bag. It wasn't cheap, especially with taxes and postage added, but I couldn't find an alternative at the time. The bag is by Ornot ... https://uk.ornotbike.com/collections/accessories/products/the-bar-bag (https://uk.ornotbike.com/collections/accessories/products/the-bar-bag)
Yes - that was me! Thanks for posting the link. I'll definitely follow that up - that bar bag looks spot on !
Glad to see you got round well. The Grand Tour is a great way of riding that route. Looking back, I'm surprised so few took up that option.
Post by: JamesBradbury on 31 July, 2018, 09:17:57 am
A lot of highs and lows for me.
Lows...
When the rain set in while climbing the usually lovely road through hirnant pass. Glasses covered in rain so couldn't see well. Taking glasses of meant the rain stung my eyes and I had to half close them. Bad conditions don't feel so bad if you can put your foot down and get in with it, but I had to slow down when visibility went and admit to myself I'd be out there another hour or so. My hands hurt braking in the descent to lake Vernwy. I remember it being swooping fun in the daylight.
Crossing Barmouth bridge. Slow, uncomfortable and a bit dicey in that crosswind. Yes, I do still have sand in my ear.
Didn't much like the traffic around Harlech where I also got caught in a downpour. I should've run for shelter sooner.
Though I did OK with hydration I did get a lot of heartburn and had to keep popping antacids to cope.
That really long hard climb to Ffestiniog. Tried hard on the steep bit then realised it was a very long steep bit and had to get off and push. Then it got a bit flatter, but the biting wind in our faces made it all seem rather bleak and haunting. I was really glad when I finally turned the corner and got the wind behind us.
Getting off and pushing happened more often than usual I found, but I'm fine with that. Huge respect to those who stayed in the bike for that vicious 1:3 leaving Aberystwyth!
Highs...
The wonderful support provided at all the controls. I know from volunteering on lel that running a control is an epic achievement in itself and requires a special kind of audaxy determination. I think most of us would agree we couldn't have done it without them. Nice to see many of the lel Thirsk team helping out! I also really appreciated the wide variety of food on offer. Often I'd plan to make up some time by stopping only briefly at a control, but was always persuaded to stay a little longer to chat and eat. I don't regret it!
The stunning scenery. Thought I'd seen Wales on tinat, but there was more... In particular, Pembrokeshire was new to me. I loved the Irfon Valley at dawn, snowdonia at sunset and the Elan Valley.
The fantastic bits when the wind was behind us. Swooping up the middle bit of the Elan Valley with a tailwind was utterly joyful. Pedalling downhill on the next bit was weird. Racing up the seaside towns of the west coast was fun and just what my achy legs needed. But the fastest section for me was probably the gentle descent after the left at t after pen y pass. Felt like we were roaring along for ages. A good boost to average speed and morale!
It's odd climbing a hill in the dark, seeing an aeroplane light in the sky ahead then realising, no it's a bike... Oh, that means I'm going up there!
All that climbing and descending doesn't lend itself to chatting, but I did enjoy the company of lots of people in controls and Andy and others in the gentler bits of Pembrokeshire.
Glad I took a lot of photos (tho I see that Andy took even more!) as it's all a bit of a blur now.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SHJxHRV4kBpFnCrL7
Thanks everyone for the most amazing cycling adventure. I'm not sure if I'd do it again, but I would volunteer.
Post by: JamesBradbury on 31 July, 2018, 09:22:28 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 09:26:21 am
The wonderful support provided at all the controls. I know from volunteering on lel that running a control is an epic achievement in itself and requires a special kind of audaxy determination.
I disagree.
It was my first time helping at a control and it was great fun, among likeminded people. The loading and unloading stuff from the van and setting up the control is hard physical work, but otherwise anyone can help at a control and there is a job for everyone, young or old, fit or less so. There is also plenty of time to rest, as riders come in waves.
I would definitively recommend helping out at events, especially long events like MC 1K
Post by: JamesBradbury on 31 July, 2018, 09:30:30 am
Post by: αdαmsκι on 31 July, 2018, 10:09:20 am
Glad I took a lot of photos (tho I see that Andy took even more!) as it's all a bit of a blur now.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SHJxHRV4kBpFnCrL7
Good to see Deano in the first picture ;D
Post by: simonp on 31 July, 2018, 10:28:46 am
Post by: Bernster on 31 July, 2018, 10:44:16 am
Special mention to Chris (not sure if he's on yacf) who I rode with for much of second half of the ride for excellent company, and pacing as well as Mike (completing his 3rd MC1K!) for helping me get through that last night time run in to Lake Vyrnwy. I'm not sure whether my idea of bike-themed i-Spy was a good way to pass the time in the dark or was driving you both to distraction ;D
I would guess that I rode at a similar pace to JamesBradbury based on his descriptions which pretty much mirror mine. The Cwm Hafoddredydd climb was long and very steep in places, and it genuinely felt very bleak and remote at the top - I need to check out street view to see what it looks like in the daytime. I kept seeing white rocks at the side of the road which looked like sheep and sheep that looked like white rocks... all very strange.
Lastly, @D.A.L.E - it's nice to see someone else appreciates a good quality hand drier!
Post by: GPS on 31 July, 2018, 11:39:05 am
The Cwm Hafoddredydd climb was long and very steep in places, and it genuinely felt very bleak and remote at the top - I need to check out street view to see what it looks like in the daytime.
It's the sort of landscape I picture the four horsemen of the apocalypse in.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 12:07:19 pm
Perhaps the lower volumes of riders on the MC made volunteering more enjoyable. My experience of helping on a 400 and the very hectic lel was long periods of constant activity and very little sleep.
You're probably right there... I guess my point was that anyone can help and no particular audacity or skills are needed :)
Post by: JamesBradbury on 31 July, 2018, 12:33:59 pm
Also, was anyone harassed by and individual in the back of a small white car after the left turn and climb to Dolfor? S/he had what looked like black folding tent poles which they poked out of the window in an attempt to knock me off. Luckily the car was going slowly and I managed to dodge, but I was furious and shouted some foul words at them. They probably thought it was a bit of fun, but to me it felt like an attempt at gbh. Edwin rightly pointed out that I should report this, but I was reluctant at the time as it would probably have meant giving up the ride. Does anyone know whom I could phone to do so now?
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 12:36:32 pm
Does anyone know whom I could phone to do so now?
In the absence of witnesses it's a bit of a waste of time, but by all means call the non emergency line at the police or the local police station
Post by: alwyn on 31 July, 2018, 01:32:43 pm
Does anyone know whom I could phone to do so now?
In the absence of witnesses it's a bit of a waste of time, but by all means call the non emergency line at the police or the local police station
A few years ago an AUK was pushed off his bike while in the Elan Valley. The injuries he suffered as a result were life changing. You should absolutely report this, even if the information is held merely as intelligence.
Post by: JamesBradbury on 31 July, 2018, 01:54:43 pm
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 05:40:16 pm
Perhaps the lower volumes of riders on the MC made volunteering more enjoyable. My experience of helping on a 400 and the very hectic lel was long periods of constant activity and very little sleep.
You're probably right there... I guess my point was that anyone can help and no particular audacity or skills are needed :)
Definitely. LEL is another world. In 3 days at Brampton in 2013 I managed about 2 hours sleep. That's largely down to numbers - there were probably 2 dozen helpers there for 1000+ riders. Compare that to 60-70 riders for the 11 of us at Llanwrtyd. The design of the event also has a large impact - MC1K resets each day as there's only 1 control option for sleeping, so the activity is concentrated overnight with the day as downtime. You don't get that on LEL as riders can sleep at any control so it becomes a constant 24hr flood of riders.
I do make sure I look after my helpers though - it is hard work, at antisocial hours and they're not going to be in a position to do their job of looking after the riders if they're not looked after themselves (H&S rule #1).
And definitely anyone can help. Whilst there are definite openings for those with particular skills such as catering, first aid or bike mechanics; I always say that the only qualification required is the ability to operate a teapot (or a tea towel).
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 05:42:53 pm
The Cwm Hafoddredydd climb was long and very steep in places, and it genuinely felt very bleak and remote at the top - I need to check out street view to see what it looks like in the daytime.
It's the sort of landscape I picture the four horsemen of the apocalypse in.
Bleak. That road across the Migneint (largest blanket bog in Wales) is bleak even on a sunny day. It must have been something else on Saturday night.
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 05:48:48 pm
1300? A bit more kip ;)
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The attraction of a 1200 as an organiser is that it's the same number of nights on the road, so I wouldn't need another overnight control. 1300 would mean an additional 18 hours so would go into a 5th day.
Question is where to put the additional k's. More hills or somewhere flatter like Anglesey? Another 300k at the same rate of climb as the 1000 would make 20km of climbing.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 06:20:13 pm
1300? A bit more kip ;)
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The attraction of a 1200 as an organiser is that it's the same number of nights on the road, so I wouldn't need another overnight control. 1300 would mean an additional 18 hours so would go into a 5th day.
Question is where to put the additional k's. More hills or somewhere flatter like Anglesey? Another 300k at the same rate of climb as the 1000 would make 20km of climbing.
... from Vyrnwy to Bala to Llanfyllin, then across the hills to Llyn Brenig, Llangollen (old Horseshoe), Ruthin (Penbarras ouch!), Chirk.. not necessarily in this order and back towards Shrewsbury...
not sure it adds 200 km, but it is a beautiful part of Wales which could fit in well... and of course this ride needs Bwlch Y Groes from Dinas
I see you are already thinking of MC 1K 4 ;D
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 06:42:01 pm
I see you are already thinking of MC 1K 4 ;DMC1K is done. As with LOTR it's a trilogy. But there is my Silmarillion to do...the Mabinogion awaits...
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 07:11:24 pm
The Anglesey stretch to Beaumaris is very nice with great views and totally worth crossing the bridge for.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1074990618
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 07:27:42 pm
...lovely, relaxed cycling.
That's definitely out then :demon:
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 31 July, 2018, 07:39:47 pm
heading to Criccieth is just lovely, relaxed cycling.Not sure that fits the MO
Post by: mattc on 31 July, 2018, 07:47:23 pm
It's 8 years since I rode the "first of the Trilogy", so I'm probably too slow for another completion! But i'd consider it ...1300? A bit more kip ;)
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The attraction of a 1200 as an organiser is that it's the same number of nights on the road, so I wouldn't need another overnight control. 1300 would mean an additional 18 hours so would go into a 5th day.
Question is where to put the additional k's. More hills or somewhere flatter like Anglesey? Another 300k at the same rate of climb as the 1000 would make 20km of climbing.
A 1200 would be much worse for this full-value rider. You either get up too early for a nice sleep, or finish with a dash to beat the setting sun; meaning an out-of-time is a double-miserable-whammy. And you need some accomodation after a ride like that, so a finish sleep-stop is much appreciated!
1300 is a great distance (for the rider, anyway!). You can start and finish in comfortable daylight, no sleep dep to start with.
...OR ... maybe start late in the day, so riders plough thru the 1st night (works on PBP) thus saving you a sleep-stop?
(I haven't done the Nor-East of Wales either ... :) ... )
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 31 July, 2018, 08:14:20 pm
1300 otoh would give a finish closing time of 8:20pm from the same start time which does as you say work well for a rider. It just means a 4th night (and therefore control) out on the road. If I could find somewhere that worked for two visits on the 3rd/4th nights (as done for Llanwrtyd on nights 1 & 2) then it could work.
But anything would be 4 years away, if then. I'm taking a rest from organising now, no idea how long for atm but definitely at least 12 months. And I have other projects which would come first if I return.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 31 July, 2018, 08:30:56 pm
Milleduecento Cymru... ::-)
AFAIK there is no calendar Audax that goes up Bwlch Penbarras and that clearly needs to be addressed.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 August, 2018, 08:55:22 am
I carried my big camera for the full ride but didn't shoot a single shot with it, which is a bit annoying. Too busy chewing my handlebar tape to mess about with it, and the iPhone takes perfectly acceptable shots.
Post by: psyclist on 01 August, 2018, 12:45:10 pm
I carried my big camera for the full ride but didn't shoot a single shot with it, which is a bit annoying.
I so nearly did the same. I went for a test ride with the big camera the weekend before, but found the harness I have for carrying the camera on my back wasn't great for a longer distance ride, so I'd need to put it into the panniers which would result in little usage.
As you say, the camera phone is still pretty good quality, and has the advantage that you can take the phone out and snap a photo whilst on the move, so less disruptive to riding companions.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 August, 2018, 01:30:25 pm
Oh it wasn't a matter of carrying it as such; Me and Deano rode the Borders of Belgium 1000 with cameras strapped to our back and used them a lot. This ride was different though, just a lot less opportunity to use them I think, due to nature of roads and it being a slightly tough.I carried my big camera for the full ride but didn't shoot a single shot with it, which is a bit annoying.
I so nearly did the same. I went for a test ride with the big camera the weekend before, but found the harness I have for carrying the camera on my back wasn't great for a longer distance ride, so I'd need to put it into the panniers which would result in little usage.
As you say, the camera phone is still pretty good quality, and has the advantage that you can take the phone out and snap a photo whilst on the move, so less disruptive to riding companions.
Post by: Tillapaw on 10 August, 2018, 09:21:07 am
Post by: JamesBradbury on 11 August, 2018, 09:06:58 am
The jerseys are available again: http://forcegb.com/club-shops/mille-cymru (http://forcegb.com/club-shops/mille-cymru)Thanks! I'm looking at getting a club jersey. Does anyone know if the sizing guide is accurate and whether it's best to round up if in between sizes?
Post by: thing1 on 11 August, 2018, 01:09:14 pm
If you're built more like a rugby player than me, the event fit maybe ok.
Post by: Tillapaw on 12 August, 2018, 10:24:19 am
Post by: JamesBradbury on 13 August, 2018, 08:46:20 am
Post by: Smeth on 13 August, 2018, 10:42:28 am
Thanks Tillapaw. I'm going to go up a size to medium as suggested.My medium comfy fit MC is a bit flapper than my equivalent medium LEL. I'm Andy's friend David with the Enigma Ti. Our paths crossed a few times. You may recall as you passed mostly on hills that I'm bigger than you. Sorry to throw a spanner.
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Post by: JamesBradbury on 13 August, 2018, 10:45:09 am
Post by: john jackson on 20 August, 2018, 08:56:06 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 21 September, 2018, 11:19:15 am
Thanks Tillapaw. I'm going to go up a size to medium as suggested. :thumbsup:
My medium club jersey has arrived and the size is good. Not flappy, but a little bit of room for
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 21 September, 2018, 01:15:52 pm
Winter insulation?Thanks Tillapaw. I'm going to go up a size to medium as suggested. :thumbsup:
My medium club jersey has arrived and the size is good. Not flappy, but a little bit of room forbulking upmiddle aged spread. ;D
Post by: jaduncan on 22 September, 2018, 08:35:58 am
Post by: JonBuoy on 22 September, 2018, 08:43:39 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 22 September, 2018, 12:55:34 pm
Not quite the same but rumour has it that TINAT will be running again: http://tinat.cymru/
Yes, it's in the organiser calendar.. June I seem to recall
Post by: mattc on 22 September, 2018, 06:33:25 pm
Oh, I am somewhat gutted that this isn't happening next year. Does anyone have any recommendations for similarly challenging rides that are?I may be proved wrong, but I think PBP qualifiers have taken most of the emphasis next year. (And Mr Corless is running less ridiculous rides to Inverness in place of the Mille Pennines.)
So you may need to travel across the channel - there is usually something bonkers in Italy, and the Mille de Sud is running I think - details vary each year.
But I HIGHLY recommend the TINAT rides :) If you really want a 1000k+ ride, just ECE one of them!