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Title: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Jurek on 23 April, 2020, 09:28:15 am
Anyone currently listening to this station online?
Why has it become Radio 2?
It is starting to grate.

ETA - As you were. It appears that normality has been restored.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: PaulF on 23 April, 2020, 09:38:02 am
I turned of as well. Apparently it's all part of the "Great British singalong" which seems to be an excuse to play crap tunes across the whole network
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2020, 10:03:55 am
It's massively infuriating. If I wanted to listen to Radio 1, I would listen to Radio 1. I'm not 12 years old. I'm a 47yo middle class white male, and that's precisely why I listen to 6music.

It might be worthwhile if they included Radio 3 in the mix. Preferably something from the Late Junction slot.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Tim Hall on 23 April, 2020, 12:27:24 pm
It's OK. Keaveny is back on now.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: ian on 23 April, 2020, 12:29:59 pm
What's Radio 2?

Pretty sure I listened to 6Music once but it turned into Northerners Talking, which is about as much fun as it sounds.

I can do Radio X till about 11am at which point they either play Oasis or the playlist starts to repeat, at which point I switch to Apple Music.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Woofage on 23 April, 2020, 12:32:36 pm
Pretty sure I listened to 6Music once but it turned into Northerners Talking, which is about as much fun as it sounds.

Probably Radcliffe & Maconie. One of the finest radio shows ever to grace our airwaves 8).
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2020, 12:33:58 pm
It's OK. Keaveny is back on now.

Keaveny plus guest Diane Morgan - so that will be two northerners talking, specially for ian.  ;D
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2020, 12:34:31 pm
Pretty sure I listened to 6Music once but it turned into Northerners Talking, which is about as much fun as it sounds.

Probably Radcliffe & Maconie. One of the finest radio shows ever to grace our airwaves 8).

Did I ever mention that I've been on the Chain three times? I must have mentioned it.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Woofage on 23 April, 2020, 12:47:28 pm
Did I ever mention that I've been on the Chain three times? I must have mentioned it.

You did.

I never got round to phoning in (always too busy in the afternoons). I once had what I thought was a great link too  :-\.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: RichForrest on 23 April, 2020, 12:55:17 pm
There was a simulcast with european stations on March the 20th where they played "You'll never walk alone"
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/viral-news/2020/03/19/bbc-radio-to-join-european-stations-in-playing-youll-never-walk-alone/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/news/viral-news/2020/03/19/bbc-radio-to-join-european-stations-in-playing-youll-never-walk-alone/)
It's been every Thursday since lock-down started here and will apparently carry on until it's over.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Redlight on 23 April, 2020, 06:49:34 pm
It's been every Thursday since lock-down started here and will apparently carry on until it's over.

If that's not a good reason to open the shops, pubs, etc, RIGHT NOW then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 April, 2020, 07:42:39 pm
What's Radio 2?
Apparently it's what people's parents used to listen to "Sing Something Simple" on. I don't know what that was but people don't seem to have liked it.

Cudzo's guide to BBC radio:
Radio 1 – used to be for teenagers, now for kids
Radio 2 – where Radio 1 DJs go when they're too middle aged to fit behind the Radio 1 mixing desk
Radio 3 – serious classical music, as opposed to easy listening classical, occasionally arty stuff
Radio 4 – the news and occasional drama
Radio 5 – not sure, is it sport?
Radio 6 – where Radio 1 DJs go when they can still fit behind the mixing desk but they're too grown up to listen to Radio 1
Radio 7 – for prime number freaks and Dan Brown fans
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2020, 08:48:26 pm
Radio 2 – where Radio 1 DJs go when they're too middle aged to fit behind the Radio 1 mixing desk

One of the first signs of middle age is when the Radio 1 DJs of your youth get a slot on Radio 2.

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Radio 3 – serious classical music, as opposed to easy listening classical, occasionally arty stuff

I've noticed a definite shift towards populism in recent years. They even nicked Petroc Trelawney off Classic FM for their breakfast show.

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Radio 5 – not sure, is it sport?

They launched a 'Man's Hour' programme a while ago, as a riposte to R4's Women's Hour. Because really there isn't already enough content on mainstream media aimed at men.

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Radio 7 – for prime number freaks and Dan Brown fans

You don't listen to radio much, do you? (I'm not questioning your assessment of the content, but the station stopped being called Radio 7 a mere nine years ago.)
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 April, 2020, 09:01:41 pm
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Radio 7 – for prime number freaks and Dan Brown fans

You don't listen to radio much, do you? (I'm not questioning your assessment of the content, but the station stopped being called Radio 7 a mere nine years ago.)
Freaky! "Radio 4 Extra is the new name for Radio 7." I had no idea there'd ever been a Radio 7, hence my invention (so I thought) of it for numerologists and conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: fuaran on 23 April, 2020, 09:17:39 pm
Freaky! "Radio 4 Extra is the new name for Radio 7." I had no idea there'd ever been a Radio 7, hence my invention (so I thought) of it for numerologists and conspiracy theorists.
Its quite nice if you like Hitchhiker's Guide, Terry Pratchett or Doctor Who. Though I don't bother to listen to it live, just grab them off Iplayer, and listen to them when I'm out for a run.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: IanDG on 23 April, 2020, 10:12:43 pm
....Craig Charles too, another northerner  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: IanDG on 23 April, 2020, 10:13:58 pm
Radio 2 not been the same since Wogan left ;)
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Paul H on 23 April, 2020, 10:28:53 pm
Radio 6 – where Radio 1 DJs go when they can still fit behind the mixing desk but they're too grown up to listen to Radio 1
Did many of them arrive via R1?  Maybe the day shift which I haven't listened to since Phill Jupitus left.  Those I do frequently tune it to are mostly musicians, past and present, all of them good but Cerys Matthews is exceptional, she hasn't done a show where I haven't learnt something and even when it's not really my thing I can't help but be carried along by the enthusiasm.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 23 April, 2020, 11:31:06 pm
Did many of them arrive via R1?

Most of them, I think. Off the top of my head, of the current roster of regulars, Mary Anne Hobbs, Mark Radcliffe, Marc Riley, Stuart Maconie, Steve Lamacq, Nemone, Gilles Peterson and Liz Kershaw have all had their own (or co-presented) programmes on Radio 1 before they were on 6music.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: ian on 24 April, 2020, 10:18:18 am
I'm not against northerners in principle. I believe they can be rehabilitated.

I only listened once, and it seemed like one song followed by four hours of rabbiting, one dull interview, another song, then they went home. Honestly, I could replicate the experience through a long wait for a bus in Oldham (where the battery in my phone ran out after one song).

I confess, I'm most anti-waffle, I want tunes.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Ham on 24 April, 2020, 10:38:48 am

I confess, I'm most anti-waffle

Oh.

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Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: rob on 24 April, 2020, 10:48:47 am
I quite enjoy Radio 2 and listen on the commute.  It seems to be on most of the day.   I am now late 40s.

I am occasionally forced to listen to Radio 1 but the conversation is so banal.  It must kill the presenters to have to talk about nothing for an hour.   The model is create a subject in the first 5 minutes and then thrash it to death for the rest of the show.   Mind numbing.

Being a bit of a dance music fan I have been enjoying dance anthems on a Saturday afternoon.   Ideal turbo trainer music.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: PaulF on 24 April, 2020, 11:48:33 am
I'm not against northerners in principle. I believe they can be rehabilitated.

I only listened once, and it seemed like one song followed by four hours of rabbiting, one dull interview, another song, then they went home. Honestly, I could replicate the experience through a long wait for a bus in Oldham (where the battery in my phone ran out after one song).

I confess, I'm most anti-waffle, I want tunes.

In which case try Radio Paradise. Waffle free (in fact they only do the station ident and don't seem to announce the music), advert free.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: ian on 24 April, 2020, 11:57:48 am
I have a daily routine in the remote command centre. I confess I quite enjoy Chris Moyles on Radio X in the morning, but after an hour or so of Toby Tarrant, the playlist tends to get worse and repetitive, so I play some random-ish stuff on Apple Music, which gets more purposeful throughout the day (it's most background music, otherwise I'd have the dulcet tones of a valley full of reversing delivery vans all day) until I'm full-time DJ by the evening.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Pingu on 26 April, 2020, 12:47:01 am
Gideon Coe FTW  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 26 April, 2020, 07:18:22 am
I half heard about gid coe being on. I remember when he used to do the show after breakfast show but then there was the dark days when 6 music I think tried to align with radio 1 to the point I would hear the same song being played at the same time on 6 music and radio 1 which was on in the workshop. I did wonder if this was a prelude to the axing of 6. This was also the time where George Lamb had his short and unsuccessful time in the radio and according to Wikipedia hasn't really worked in the media since.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 26 April, 2020, 09:51:31 am
Gideon Coe FTW  :thumbsup:

I've been a fan since his days on GLR when he co-hosted the breakfast slot with Fi Glover. I'm glad 6music have stuck with him.

One for the tenuous claims to fame thread: my son went to the same school as Gideon Coe. As did Robert Wyatt.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: RichForrest on 26 April, 2020, 10:06:15 am
Only found out recently that Tom Ravenscroft is John Peels son, never even knew that Peel was only his stage name  :o
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: IanDG on 26 April, 2020, 10:32:00 am
Only found out recently that Tom Ravenscroft is John Peels son, never even knew that Peel was only his stage name  :o

I just found that out too. Thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Paul H on 26 April, 2020, 11:08:40 am
Did many of them arrive via R1?

Most of them, I think. Off the top of my head, of the current roster of regulars, Mary Anne Hobbs, Mark Radcliffe, Marc Riley, Stuart Maconie, Steve Lamacq, Nemone, Gilles Peterson and Liz Kershaw have all had their own (or co-presented) programmes on Radio 1 before they were on 6music.
Thanks, that's more than I thought, though from that list I'm only a regular listener to Riley and Lamacq.  The only time I've listened to R1 it's been background noise in a workplace in the distant past. 
Do other stations attract as many musicians?  On R6 there's Guy Garvey, Tom Robinson, Iggy Pop, Huey Morgan, Cerys Matthews and Riley makes it onto both lists. Plus hopefully Jarvis will be back for another series sometime.   I can imagine some of them are doing it as an alternative career, but I like to think some are doing it for the love.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 26 April, 2020, 12:00:24 pm
Only found out recently that Tom Ravenscroft is John Peels son, never even knew that Peel was only his stage name  :o
I remember him saying once that he got fed up with people saying “D’ye ken John Peel?” to him. His response was “Where do you think I got the name?”
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Jurek on 26 April, 2020, 08:49:56 pm
Only found out recently that Tom Ravenscroft is John Peels son, never even knew that Peel was only his stage name  :o
Likewise.
On listening, the intonation of the delivery gave it away.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 27 April, 2020, 10:28:21 am
Gideon Coe FTW  :thumbsup:

You may be aware of this already - he is sitting in for Lauren Laverne this week.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Jurek on 30 April, 2020, 09:13:50 am
It would appear that this is a weekly event  >:(
*radio off*
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: vorsprung on 30 April, 2020, 09:21:41 am
back in the 80s when Jimmy Saville was on Radio 2 it catered for the people who were middle aged *then* by playing Sounds of the Sixties

as the radio 2 listeners got older they continued to listen to radio 2 and the Sounds of the Sixties.

meanwhile, the people who grew up in the 80s are now middle aged and demand their own radio station.  This is 6music

so, in a sense 6music has always been just the same as radio 2, a swamp of nostalgic "in my day" tunes

Incidentally, my favourite radio 2 show is Clare Teals Big band and swing on Sunday nights
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Woofage on 30 April, 2020, 09:28:33 am
back in the 80s when Jimmy Saville was on Radio 2 it catered for the people who were middle aged *then* by playing Sounds of the Sixties

as the radio 2 listeners got older they continued to listen to radio 2 and the Sounds of the Sixties.

meanwhile, the people who grew up in the 80s are now middle aged and demand their own radio station.  This is 6music

so, in a sense 6music has always been just the same as radio 2, a swamp of nostalgic "in my day" tunes

Incidentally, my favourite radio 2 show is Clare Teals Big band and swing on Sunday nights

Whilst that is true to an extent, 6 does play new music that you don't hear on other mainstream channels. 2 might also play new music, but that will be mainstream in itself.

The last band I went to see (at the end of Feb) was introduced to me by 6music.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Tim Hall on 30 April, 2020, 09:34:50 am
It would appear that this is a weekly event  >:(
*radio off*
It's over now. Gideon is back on. You're safe to switch it on again.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Jurek on 30 April, 2020, 09:41:20 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: RichForrest on 30 April, 2020, 03:28:00 pm
It would appear that this is a weekly event  >:(
*radio off*

Yep, as mentioned above weekly until lockdown is over.

Re music on there
That Dragonball Durag song by Thundercat sounds like it's sung by Herbert the pervert from Family Guy  ;D
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 30 April, 2020, 04:29:06 pm
That Dragonball Durag song by Thundercat sounds like it's sung by Herbert the pervert from Family Guy  ;D

Is that a good thing? I don't watch Family Guy.

I do like that song very much though.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: toontra on 30 April, 2020, 06:36:26 pm
back in the 80s when Jimmy Saville was on Radio 2 it catered for the people who were middle aged *then* by playing Sounds of the Sixties

as the radio 2 listeners got older they continued to listen to radio 2 and the Sounds of the Sixties.

meanwhile, the people who grew up in the 80s are now middle aged and demand their own radio station.  This is 6music

so, in a sense 6music has always been just the same as radio 2, a swamp of nostalgic "in my day" tunes

That chimes with my experience on the occasions I've (inadvertently) heard it.  My younger self would be self-mutilating at the idea I would someday be listening to the modern equivalent of Radio2.

As a sometime musician I really don't want to hear stuff I've heard a hundred times before unless it's something I specifically (still) like.  The chances of that happening on live radio are extremely remote.

If I need stuff to listen to when training or on long rides I try and source new music, mainly from new artists, and spend a long tome trawling the net to find it (including many unsigned acts).  It's not all brilliant but I select the things I find fresh and stimulating.  These form monthly playlists, so new sounds on a regular basis.

Nostalgia is reserved for lazy weekend mornings.

Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Pingu on 01 May, 2020, 12:04:11 am
...so, in a sense 6music has always been just the same as radio 2, a swamp of nostalgic "in my day" tunes...

That's not my experience. There's a lot of contemporary stuff on 6Music.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Deano on 01 May, 2020, 12:30:53 am
...so, in a sense 6music has always been just the same as radio 2, a swamp of nostalgic "in my day" tunes...

That's not my experience. There's a lot of contemporary stuff on 6Music.

Yeah, depends what shows you listen to. A lot of the daytime stuff is bland and playlisty, but there are loads of good shows. Cerys onna weekend is great, the Friday night lineup of Iggy and Tom Ravenscroft is a real mix, and I always enjoy listening back to Marc Riley and Gideon Coe, they both manage a mix of older and newer music, and there's new musicians to me in the old and the new.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Ham on 01 May, 2020, 09:32:39 am
Indeed, my own enjoyment of R6M is that you really don't know what is coming up next, even if there is a strong likelihood that the band will be called something like "Six Purple Evangelists and the Washing Up"

Compare and contrast:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5JDPyPdDGs3yCLdtPhGgWM7/bbc-radio-6-music-playlist

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2qNJsnjYFvbLrK9CZ0CfYfM/radio-2-new-music-playlist

That R2 list is supposedly "New Music"  :facepalm:
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2020, 09:45:46 am
I find 6music has a reasonably good mix on the whole. You wouldn't want it to be exclusively new music - and I doubt that would be a sustainable model for a public service broadcaster. They also play lots of old music that is new to me (and you don't hear anywhere else), which I appreciate.

One slightly odd thing I've noticed is that they might play a track you haven't heard in years and years, but then play it again within a few days - eg Living On The Ceiling by Blancmange, which I've heard on 6music three times recently (albeit on different programmes). I was under the impression they had producers who kept playlist logs precisely to avoid that kind of thing. Maybe the system isn't being updated right now, but I'm sure this happened before lockdown as well.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: grams on 01 May, 2020, 10:01:45 am
One slightly odd thing I've noticed is that they might play a track you haven't heard in years and years, but then play it again within a few days

They’ve always done that - there’ll be one or two anointed wildcard songs in the rotation to make it seem more interesting. “Groove Is In The Heart” is a regular in this slot.

The problem with 6Music isn’t that it doesn’t play new music, it’s that it’s so relentlessly bland and of a type that it might as well not be. They’d never play the contemporary equivalent of those wildcard songs.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: pcolbeck on 01 May, 2020, 10:05:42 am
R2's daytime playlist is awful. R2 is only really good for music on an evening. I really enjoy Cerys Matthews, Jo Whiley and Marc Radcliffe, Craig Charles is good too sometimes.
Strangely Mrs Pcolbeck likes it during teh day and hates it on an evening.
We do both like the surreal two hours on Saturday early evening that is Liza Tarbuck's show, you really can't predict what she will play.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: citoyen on 01 May, 2020, 10:10:01 am
Tbh, I think the only place you'll ever hear truly groundbreaking new music on mainstream radio is R3's Late Junction.

I know 6music have a bit of a thing about Anna Meredith, which I'm sure is only to boost their edgy credentials. But yeah, that's about as innovative as they get.

Fortunately for me, I am a boring middle class middle-aged white male who likes precisely the kind of stuff they do play. I'm also a big fan of the two northerners shtick.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: rafletcher on 01 May, 2020, 11:46:49 am
All thi s chat reminds me of the time R1 had both Annie Nightingale and John Peel on.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: pcolbeck on 01 May, 2020, 08:56:46 pm
Listening to Radio 6 for the first time tonight.

Excellent eclectic mix. Mrs Pcolbeck says its horrible which is usually a good sign.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 01 May, 2020, 09:12:47 pm
One slightly odd thing I've noticed is that they might play a track you haven't heard in years and years, but then play it again within a few days

The problem with 6Music isn’t that it doesn’t play new music, it’s that it’s so relentlessly bland and of a type that it might as well not be. They’d never play the contemporary equivalent of those wildcard songs.

You're listening to the wrong programs then. I defy you to call anything on the Tom Ravenscroft show bland.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Ham on 02 May, 2020, 07:42:49 am
Yeah, I confess I started to draft a reply that began "you're just wrong....." then decided there was little value. For me the enjoyment of R6M is that, albeit within the remit of the program, you really don't know what is coming next. Amy Lamay, Iggy Pop, Cerys, anything and everything turns up.
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 05 May, 2020, 12:31:55 pm
Having been with 6 from the early days it does go in waves. It may have altered recently a little but that's probably reflecting that it may have people listening all day rather then dipping in and out. Apart from when I fancy a trip to something of interest on Radio 4 it's pretty much the only station I listen to when I have the choice... Well except when TMS is on

When we are fully staffed they have radio 2 on which I find pretty mind numbing or aiming at lowest common denomination during the Jeremy Vine bun fight
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: mattc on 05 May, 2020, 08:18:27 pm
I've realised that a really good way to sound young and edgy, is to tell people how bland their favourite band/radio-station/album is. (or saying just how Radio2 something is).

(How am I doing? Daddio)
Title: Re: BBC 6 Music has become Radio 2
Post by: Pingu on 08 May, 2020, 11:58:53 pm
It's true!  :o I've just listened to Gideon Coe playing Mr Happy!