Author Topic: Southend Cycle Town - part 2  (Read 237441 times)

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #525 on: 24 July, 2010, 08:49:50 pm »
Oblivious peds on the western esplanade path.

Oblivious peds

B… b… but Southend Council said the markings and signs would keep pedestrians out of the cycle path...

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #526 on: 24 July, 2010, 09:28:15 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8PIcOnkklRI&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8PIcOnkklRI&rel=1</a>

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #527 on: 25 July, 2010, 09:29:38 am »
Vans and peds on the cyclepath. vans and bikes on the pavement, a real mess on the carrigway and parking that half the drivers cannot understand how to use, Palm trees that are dying and being held up by planks of wood........

I have to say well done SBC for taking a seafront that was not perfect but at least worked and turning it into a free for alll mess that does not work properly for anyone.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #528 on: 25 July, 2010, 08:47:49 pm »
Vans and peds on the cyclepath. vans and bikes on the pavement, a real mess on the carrigway and parking that half the drivers cannot understand how to use, Palm trees that are dying and being held up by planks of wood........

I have to say well done SBC for taking a seafront that was not perfect but at least worked and turning it into a free for alll mess that does not work properly for anyone.


I couldn't have said it better.

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #529 on: 26 July, 2010, 12:49:13 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #530 on: 29 July, 2010, 04:51:06 pm »
To "speed" movement through the junction of the A127 and Progress Road, Clicky, SBC are making a third lane that'll turn left from the A127 and down Progress Road. At the moment all the work is overnight. This morning I took this picture


because there are no signs that inform the cyclist that the lane is closed. At the western end of the works there are two boards which display the exciting information of the company digging up the lane!

Amazingly the cafe sign is not in the lane as is normal.  ::-)

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #531 on: 29 July, 2010, 07:06:17 pm »
How will you be able to access the cycle lane from Progress Road, or is it going to be an exra narrow lane  ???

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #532 on: 29 July, 2010, 07:13:11 pm »
How will you be able to access the cycle lane from Progress Road, or is it going to be an exra narrow lane  ???
Probably the same way but the lane will be shared, including the lampost and cafe sign. They might say to use the northern side or the ped crossing.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #533 on: 29 July, 2010, 07:17:44 pm »
Just looking at the plans fpr Progress Road, looks as though there will be a sperate cycle path alonside the road.
Ps is that sign locked to anything? If not it deserves to fall over into the bush  :demon:

http://www.southend.gov.uk/downloads/download/463/progress_road

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #534 on: 30 July, 2010, 04:00:00 pm »
This is the Greenway at Highfield Crescent.
Run out of money or quick finish for the holibobs?


I hope for holibob finish.

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #535 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:09:17 pm »
Does anyone know if the plans for Vic Circus are available online anywhere? I was wondering what that short length of path is for on the left as you pass under the shopping centre traveling towards Vic Circus from Southchurch on the Queensway.

JOJO

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #536 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:20:30 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #537 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:26:45 pm »
I think its more to do with overtaking then having to stop or brake. Also why does he MrLotoss have to move over towards the kerb after the overtake?
Its shit driving imo, something that is quite a frequent occurance along the seafront. 

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #538 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:28:01 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #539 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:31:07 pm »
 ::-)

Even I can see the problem.
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JOJO

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #540 on: 30 July, 2010, 05:31:51 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?

Of course he deliberatly speeded up, he had to move forward from being stationary.  It just has a noisy exhaust.  You can see after he overtakes you, that he moves back in.  As said, that video shows that there is the same amount of space that you undertook him with, than s/he overtook you with.  So no, I don't think its dangerous at all, and have no problem with the driver doing that.

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #541 on: 30 July, 2010, 06:10:18 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?

Of course he deliberatly speeded up, he had to move forward from being stationary.  It just has a noisy exhaust.  You can see after he overtakes you, that he moves back in.  As said, that video shows that there is the same amount of space that you undertook him with, than s/he overtook you with.  So no, I don't think its dangerous at all, and have no problem with the driver doing that.


See Highway Code rule 163.

JOJO

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #542 on: 30 July, 2010, 06:55:12 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?

Of course he deliberatly speeded up, he had to move forward from being stationary.  It just has a noisy exhaust.  You can see after he overtakes you, that he moves back in.  As said, that video shows that there is the same amount of space that you undertook him with, than s/he overtook you with.  So no, I don't think its dangerous at all, and have no problem with the driver doing that.


See Highway Code rule 163.

It was safe and legal to do so, and from that video, as much as you left him as you undertook...He didnt cut you up.  Nothing illegal in that al all.


Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #543 on: 30 July, 2010, 06:56:03 pm »
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?
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JOJO

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #544 on: 30 July, 2010, 06:58:48 pm »
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?

In a circumstance like that, then yes.  What is the cars alternative solution?  He didnt have another side of the road to go across to, its tight, yes, but clearly the cyclist is comfortable with being that close? I dont see the problem.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #545 on: 30 July, 2010, 07:02:06 pm »
Looks like you're the only one not seeing the problem.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #546 on: 30 July, 2010, 07:04:12 pm »
Yesterday:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mTX1tHAQSBs&rel=1</a>

The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?

As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?

When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?

True, although bear in mind after you'd gone past him, you did move out away from the edge of the road.  When you look at the video at the point before then, when you freeze it to show the Lotus, there's not much more than 1 ft from the right of the Lotus to the traffic cones next to the barriers.  So that's why he's so close to you.  I'm not excusing him blasting past though, that's being a typical motorist sadly, and ignoring the fact he's got to brake shortly!
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Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #547 on: 30 July, 2010, 07:12:03 pm »

True, although bear in mind after you'd gone past him, you did move out away from the edge of the road.  

I moved out to the correct road position. In retrospect as there was a queue ahead I think I should have moved out to the primary and made sure no idiots would try to squeeze past.

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #548 on: 30 July, 2010, 07:13:44 pm »
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?

  What is the cars alternative solution?  

Simple, he waits until there is room to pass SAFELY.

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #549 on: 30 July, 2010, 07:24:54 pm »
I think that driver was badly at fault - there was no need for him to overtake because he was in a queue and couldn't get past the next car, whereas a cyclist can.

If a cyclist chooses to filter that's his/her decision: the cyclist is in control and the driver should make allowances for the fact that they are driving a vehicle which occupies far more than their fair share of the road. I think a good analogy is if I am cycling along a narrow lane an a vehicle is coming the other way, I will hold the centre of the road and make damned sure they slow down. Most will stop and let the cyclist manoeuvre past them. On the other hand, if the cyclist takes their position near the LH verge too soon, there's a lot of gits who will take advantage and hammer a few inches past without adjusting their speed.

I agree with Clandy that taking primary at that point was the correct thing to do, but it could also be interpreted as being provocative.
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