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Title: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 10 January, 2016, 09:29:31 pm: Hi everyone. I hope that this isn't a stupid question, I've tried searching but didn't find anything too relevant.

I'm planning a four day credit card tour along the 'Wild Atlantic Way', which for anybody who doesn't know is the assorted mishmash of roads that used to be called ' the West Coast of Ireland'. They now make up 'the world's longest defined coastal route'.

Apparently.

Whilst this may be true it's probably only because no other country has ever bothered to label all their roads down a coastline and claim they make up a defined route.

Anyway, although I've done a couple of multi day events before they've always been supported and I've never had to carry my own gear on the bike. (Oh god, the shame).

I can't decide how best to do it and what volume of gear I'm going to need. Do I go for a single, large saddlebag like a big Carradice or something like the ultralight bike packing stuff like the Alpkit Koala. I'm trying to keep weight to a minimum and so am thinking of just a spare set of cycling gear, some lightweight trousers or shorts (weather dependent) and a couple of tee shirts and a fleece. I'll probably be using either a road or a cyclocross bike.

Does anybody have any advice ? I'm probably going to avoid panniers, as although I do have a bike that could take them, I don't really want to go that route (and I don't think that I'll need enough stuff to warrant them).
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 10 January, 2016, 09:38:31 pm: My usual approach for this sort of thing would be two front panniers on the rear rack. Because that's a no-brainer when the bike's got a rack and you have an assortment of panniers to hand. An advantage to having two small panniers rather than one big one is that you can keep wet and dry separate, and have a smaller bag to carry the valuable stuff around in off the bike. They don't have to be crammed to capacity.

I never liked saddlebags (other than those little ones that'll just about take a toolkit) because they look like such a bodge (I appreciate this makes me a minority on the forum), but it does sound like a reasonable amount of luggage for what you want.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: toontra on 10 January, 2016, 09:56:52 pm: Sounds like a rackpack would be ideal. That's what I use for multi-day events (LEL, PBP, LEJoG's, etc) and it's perfect. Not large enough to encourage over-packing but will accommodate all the essentials. Reasonably aero compared to panniers and has a handy shoulder strap.

The one I use is sadly no longer made (Creek2Peak) but I'm sure there are others available.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Basil on 10 January, 2016, 10:29:50 pm: I prefer the small pannier approach Kim suggests, but the barley on a bagman qr too. This is where all my valuables (to me) are stored. If someone steals my dirty shirts and shorts, so be it, but everything that is important to me is right with me in the cafe, pub, whatever.
If you stay close to the touristy west coast, you'll probably be OK, but beware if you get adventurous (and I suggest you do) and find yourself in, say, east Clare. Mechanicals, weather or anything else may necessitate an unplanned stop. Your credit card may be useless in some areas. You'll need to think about packing a space blanket or something for a night in the "Audax Hotel".
(This is based on 18 year old knowledge - may not apply now)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 10 January, 2016, 10:38:22 pm: Quote from: toontra on 10 January, 2016, 09:56:52 pm
Sounds like a rackpack would be ideal. That's what I use for multi-day events (LEL, PBP, LEJoG's, etc) and it's perfect. Not large enough to encourage over-packing but will accommodate all the essentials. Reasonably aero compared to panniers and has a handy shoulder strap.

Rack packs are usually in the 12litre range. That's about the same as a single front pannier, and is about right for valuables, bike stuff and an assortment of spare cycling clothing to adjust for weather conditions.

You'd need about the same volume again for the OP's lightweight trousers, a couple of T-shirts and a (thin) fleece.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 10 January, 2016, 11:24:45 pm: Thanks everyone, I appreciate the feedback.

So it looks like I'll need somewhere around 20 - 25 litres. I'll look for a couple of small panniers and see what I can get. Are those beam racks that fasten to the seatpost any good ? They look like a good idea, but the engineer in me is saying that they'll wobble and possibly swing side to side. I was really intending to take my cyclocross bike which doesn't have any rack mounts, but I may think about my old Trek 1000 which has been on turbo duty for a few years now.

Thanks Basil. I think that your advice is still fairly valid about east Clare. I work in Clare so know how desolate it is further east.

My planned route, although I've got to finalise it is from Cork up to Limerick, so mostly around Kerry, hugging the coast as much as possible. I may also take the ferry across the Shannon and do a loop around Clare and then back down to Limerick (which is close to home for me). The main reason behind the start and end point is that they have decent transport links so I could get a train between them.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 10 January, 2016, 11:42:56 pm: For a four day credit card tour, you won't need that much. Definitely not 25 litres, unless you're doing it in the middle of winter at the top of Norway.

I've credit card / youth hostel toured for up to two weeks with a Carradice Nelson (14 litres), it worked fine. here's (https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=tS&page_id=314266&v=51) my kit list from one such tour. One of those, a rack pack or an Alpkit Koala type of big saddlepack would all be perfect for your needs. Travel light, you won't regret it: bikes are such less fun to ride when they're laden down!

FYI, I'd probably buy a Koala or similar if I didn't already had the Carradice, but it depends what you want from it. Here are the pros and cons:

Good points about the Carradice:
It's very well built and is as tough as old boots.
The Bagman QR makes it very quick to attach and release from the bike
The side pockets are easily accessible while on the move.
You can cram stuff in and cinch it down with the lid.
You can easily bungee stuff to the top.
You can easily attach a shoulder strap.

Bad points about the Carradice:
It's not the lightest of contraptions.
It's probably not the most aerodynamic of contraptions either.
Together with the Bagman, it's quite expensive.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 10 January, 2016, 11:49:45 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 10 January, 2016, 11:24:45 pm
Are those beam racks that fasten to the seatpost any good ? They look like a good idea, but the engineer in me is saying that they'll wobble and possibly swing side to side.

They're undeniably useful, but many don't have sides for panniers to attach to, so are only really useful for rack bags. They also seem inclined to rotate around the seatpost (perhaps when leaning the bike against something), to the effect that most of the time you see one in the wild it's not quite straight. Hard to tell whether that's because the clamp is fundamentally inadequate, or because the sort of person who makes such a thing a *permanent* addition to their bike (which is surely symptomatic of bad planning) is less than rigorous in their fettling.

I once did a group ride where someone had a particularly loose beam rack. Every now and then another rider would point out that it was hanging off one side and he'd reach back and push it over to the other. (It is, presumably, hard to line things up with any accuracy behind your back on a moving bike.) Sort of thing that would make a right-minded person want to pull over at the next discarded beer can and fettle an emergency shim, but he was evidently used to it.

Unless you've already got a suitable piece of luggage, or particularly want the peseudo-mudguard effect, I reckon you might as well use a saddlebag. They have cunning quick-release attachments, and at least they're supposed to wobble and swing side to side. :)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 10 January, 2016, 11:55:47 pm: Quote from: Phartiphukborlz on 10 January, 2016, 11:42:56 pm
Travel light, you won't regret it: bikes are such less fun to ride when they're laden down!

I'd say that depends on the bike. But if the OP had the sort of bike that relishes a hefty load, they'd presumably already have luggage for it and wouldn't have started this thread.

I agree that the Koala sounds ideal, if it's big enough.

Hmm, how about bar bags? That's a good way to add a little more capacity (and convenience) while preserving the aerodynamics.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: toontra on 11 January, 2016, 12:03:28 am: Quote from: Kim on 10 January, 2016, 10:38:22 pm
Quote from: toontra on 10 January, 2016, 09:56:52 pm
Sounds like a rackpack would be ideal. That's what I use for multi-day events (LEL, PBP, LEJoG's, etc) and it's perfect. Not large enough to encourage over-packing but will accommodate all the essentials. Reasonably aero compared to panniers and has a handy shoulder strap.

Rack packs are usually in the 12litre range. That's about the same as a single front pannier, and is about right for valuables, bike stuff and an assortment of spare cycling clothing to adjust for weather conditions.

You'd need about the same volume again for the OP's lightweight trousers, a couple of T-shirts and a (thin) fleece.

The rackpack I referred to has a 30 litre capacity - larger if you unzip the expanding top. Quite big enough for most needs. I seem to remember Greenbank used the one for several years. As I say, no longer made. Perhaps something like the Carradice Carradura (edit: just read they have a capacity of 13 litres so not big enough)?
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 11 January, 2016, 12:07:11 am: A bar bag sounds like a good idea.

As for swinging from side to side, my Carradice has stopped doing that since I fitted the Bagman QR Adapter (http://www.condorcycles.com/products/carradice-bagman-quick-release-adapter), yours for the princely sum of £6.

As for beam racks, they're unbelievably fugly :sick:
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 11 January, 2016, 12:14:22 am: Quote from: toontra on 11 January, 2016, 12:03:28 am
Perhaps something like the Carradice Carradura?

I've got one of those. It's fugly, but practical (though the zip pullers are rubbish). Capacity is 10 litres expanding to 13.5 when unzipped. About the same as my late lamented Carradice Prima (~12.5 litres), and a fair bit more than my Arkel Tailrider (8 expanding to 11 litres, making it a bit small for winter).

There's that Topeak one with the expanding side panniers, but that's really more of a commuter thing. Radical make a 16 litre rack bag with a Brompton logo on it (and associated price tag).

Why do I know so much about rack bags? *wanders off to bed, shaking head*
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: mark on 11 January, 2016, 02:39:53 am: I'm going to second what Phartiphukborlz said, a Carradice Nelson or similar would be an excellent way to go. A handlebar bag that can be quickly detached and used as a shoulder bag is good, too. Ortlieb bags are good this way. The handlebar bag will also provide a place to mount your map case (or your GPS) where you can read it while on the bike.

"Travel light" is sound advice, and I've been sorry every time I ignored it. Even if your bike is meant to carry heavy loads, traveling light will let you go further in a day, or get to your day's destination with more time to explore, relax, find accommodation or whatever. Less wear and tear on your bike and your body, too.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: T42 on 11 January, 2016, 08:45:27 am: +1 on the HB bag: good for small gear such as camera, phone, etc. & stuff to nibble. A waterproof one is a good idea, ditto for the saddle/rack bags since getting the covers on in a sudden downpour is a bugger. If you get an HB bag with a large internal pocket and a floppy purse-thing velcro'd inside, try and add a couple of extra dividers to stop stuff rubbing together and make it easier to find. One with a semi-rigid top is better than a floppy one: one of mine is a ghastly Vaude "Discover Box" with a floppy top and it accumulates a pool of water if you park outside in the rain for a few minutes.

Even if your saddlebag is rated waterproof, put everything, esp. clothing, in resealable freezer bags & take along a couple of supermarket bags for wet & dirty togs so that they don't muck up the dry stuff or the bag. I label mine with post-it notes inside: so much stuff is black it's a bugger to find in the dark or in shadow.

+1 on what Mark said re travelling light.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 11 January, 2016, 11:50:10 am: The Koala is good in that it expands and contracts according to the amount you put in it. It will hold something like 13 litres in total I think, but I've never had it that full. It's far lighter than a Carradice and probably also more aerodynamic, it seems reasonably waterproof and it fits rock solid without swinging as long as you do it all up really, really tight. The disadvantage of it, and presumably the similar contraptions from Apidura and others, is that it's a single, shapeless bag with no way of ordering things inside it. If you're only going to open it at your destination, this doesn't matter, but if you put anything that might need accessing during the day in there, not only do you have to search for it among the other stuff, you have to refasten the bag to the saddle rails every time. This is because the straps that attach it to the rails are the same ones that hold it closed.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 11 January, 2016, 07:36:22 pm: Thanks everybody. Incredibly helpful.

I think that I may go for the handlebar bag, either a Carradice or something similar as I want somewhere to carry my camera (in a drybag) and then collect my gear together and figure out how much space I'll need. I'll try and find a shop that stocks the Carradice so that I can look at them.

I do plan to keep everything down to an absolute minimum as I mentioned in my original post, probably just a change of cycling gear and something to change into for the evenings such as the white tuxedo so that I'm not out of place in the pubs in East Clare.

I have a large sheet of correx in my shed left over from when I built a bike box and may use some of that to stiffen the bag if needed.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: nikki on 11 January, 2016, 08:06:45 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 11 January, 2016, 07:36:22 pm
a large sheet of correx in my shed left over from when I built a bike box and may use some of that to stiffen the bag if needed.

This and Alpkit talk upthread reminded me of haydenw's set-up from a while back:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=89719.msg1848614#msg1848614
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 11 January, 2016, 09:43:06 pm: Quote from: nikki on 11 January, 2016, 08:06:45 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 11 January, 2016, 07:36:22 pm
a large sheet of correx in my shed left over from when I built a bike box and may use some of that to stiffen the bag if needed.

This and Alpkit talk upthread reminded me of haydenw's set-up from a while back:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=89719.msg1848614#msg1848614

Brilliant. I can see a whole Spring of bodging coming up !
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2016, 12:26:01 am: I always take 4 panniers, even though they might be packed with fresh air.

I used to use a Carradice bar bag, but the cable snapped when I was on a tour in Wales once. I stuck it under a bungee on the back rack and was really delighted by the fact that the damned thing wasn't bouncing up and down any more on the rough road out of Rhayader. It was a really noisy bugger. If Flann O'Brien is to be believed, you may well meet some rocky roadsteads in the west of Ireland.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 12 January, 2016, 10:21:29 am: If you want to keep things to a minimum, don't take a change of cycling gear, just take the one set and wash it in the shower each evening. You can then take some extra warmer pieces: arm/leg warmers a waterproof, maybe an extra baselayer and a jumper that is intended for off-bike use but can be used on-bike if necessary.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 12 January, 2016, 10:39:16 am: Quote from: Phartiphukborlz on 12 January, 2016, 10:21:29 am
If you want to keep things to a minimum, don't take a change of cycling gear, just take the one set and wash it in the shower each evening. You can then take some extra warmer pieces: arm/leg warmers a waterproof, maybe an extra baselayer and a jumper that is intended for off-bike use but can be used on-bike if necessary.

I thought of washing my gear each night, but wasn't confident that it'd be dry by the morning and didn't fancy the idea of putting on damp gear each day.

I have a couple of merino wool tops which are good enough for dual use and pack very small and a dhb windslam jacket which I bought for a similar multiday cycle a couple of years ago but have never worn on the bike. I'd say that those, a pair of lightweight trousers, a couple of teeshirts and some socks and underwear will be all I need. Of course I'll also pack a waterproof cycling jacket as this is the west coast of Ireland after all.

I'll pack everything together and see how much space it's going to take up. I'm leaning towards a couple of dry bags at the moment, one behind the seat and one under the handlebars. I do want to include another bag to carry the easily accessible stuff like a camera as it's a beautiful area and I want to be able to stop and take photographs without unpacking everything.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 12 January, 2016, 10:49:54 am: If your camera doesn't fit in your pocket, might it fit in a tri-bag?
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: mcshroom on 12 January, 2016, 10:52:32 am: My experience of wash/wear with cycling gear is that you can usually get it good enough overnight, but only if the hotel you are staying in has radiators. When I've tried washing stuff in a Travelodge (often electric heaters) I haven't got stuff dry enough overnight. As it is though I don't usually travel light enough to be worried if one set of clothes takes a couple days to dry. The pad in the shorts tends to take longest IME.

Each person's approach will be different depending on how they ride and their own opinions on light weight touring.

For the sort of tour you are talking about I'd be reasonably confident of fitting things in a mixture of my Super C rack pack and Carradura bar bag, which gives around 18 ish litres of storage. I'm sure some will think that I'm carrying a lot more than they would, and some a lot less.

Perhaps you could lay all the stuff you are thinking of taking out, and get an idea of what volume they come in at?
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 12 January, 2016, 10:52:54 am: Personally like, wouldn't bother washing kit on a trip so short.

And I'd just be taking an Apidura(etc.) saddlebag.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: rafletcher on 12 January, 2016, 11:10:02 am: To be honest 4 days or 14 days for CC touring would make no odds to me - 2 rear panniers and a saddle / bar bag to your preference. Leaves room for a pair of casual shoes (which are surprisingly bulky), and some reasonable evening wear - Rohan or similar trousers, socks, T's, a lightweight fleece jumper. Not many cycle shops (or indeed shops of any kind) along that route. so a few tubes (the roads can be quite rough) and basic tools. I took a change of cycle gear on that type (CC) of tour, - one on, one drying.

It's a shame they've sanitised the visitor viewing at the Cliffs of Moher so much. When I first went, around 30 yrs ago, you could crawl to the (remaining) edge of the car park and look straight down! Now there's a huge coach park (on my last visit 6-7 year ago I didn't hear and English/Irish voice, all Europeans) and an "award winning" visitors centre, and a path well away from the edge.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: nikki on 12 January, 2016, 11:27:18 am: Quote from: Redjeep! on 12 January, 2016, 10:39:16 am
I'm leaning towards a couple of dry bags at the moment, one behind the seat and one under the handlebars.

Might a couple of Gorilla cages be worth considering? http://bearbonesbikepacking.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/a-bigger-monkii-gorilla-cage-review.html?view=classic Not so elegant perhaps, but maybe lighter on the physical and financial infrastructural investments needed. Decathlon do a silicone cage mount you can strap on to a convenient bit of frame.

(Behind the seat and under the handlebars probably best though, if that's doable.)

Love my barbags for quick and easy camera access from a side pocket. Are we talking compact here, or full on SLR style?
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: bikepacker on 12 January, 2016, 12:48:27 pm: My old friend Neville Chanin who toured more than most of us over many years, only ever used a Carradice long-flap camper saddle bag. He often took the micky out of us that cycle camped for carrying all that weight when he cycled a lot easier without the weight and staying B&B or Hostals.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: T42 on 12 January, 2016, 12:56:48 pm: Quote from: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2016, 12:26:01 am
I always take 4 panniers, even though they might be packed with fresh air.

I used to use a Carradice bar bag, but the cable snapped when I was on a tour in Wales once. I stuck it under a bungee on the back rack and was really delighted by the fact that the damned thing wasn't bouncing up and down any more on the rough road out of Rhayader. It was a really noisy bugger. If Flann O'Brien is to be believed, you may well meet some rocky roadsteads in the west of Ireland.

And extra policemen.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Kim on 12 January, 2016, 01:30:05 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 12 January, 2016, 10:39:16 am
I thought of washing my gear each night, but wasn't confident that it'd be dry by the morning and didn't fancy the idea of putting on damp gear each day.

Putting on damp gear is unpleasant (particularly when you do it in a small tent), but only for the time it takes to warm up. If you're riding at any kind of pace (or there's Weather) then dry kit will end up damp in short order, and it is at least clean.

If you're washing your kit each evening I recommend synthetics over merino, because merino holds a surprising amount of water and will take forever to dry.

If you're going for the not-washing-your-kit approach, merino has a substantial pong-reduction advantage. If you're not washing it, best to keep it on until it dries out before changing into your evening clothes.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 12 January, 2016, 09:25:04 pm: Quote from: rafletcher on 12 January, 2016, 11:10:02 am

It's a shame they've sanitised the visitor viewing at the Cliffs of Moher so much. When I first went, around 30 yrs ago, you could crawl to the (remaining) edge of the car park and look straight down! Now there's a huge coach park (on my last visit 6-7 year ago I didn't hear and English/Irish voice, all Europeans) and an "award winning" visitors centre, and a path well away from the edge.

That reminds me of a sign I once saw on the edge of the Grand Canyon which was something like

"Danger - Cliff Edge - Keep At Least 10 Feet Back "

"Every Year People Die from Ignoring This Sign "

Thanks everyone. I think that I'll collect what I think that I'll need and see how big a package it makes and then buy something about 50% bigger !

I'm leaning towards the dry bag option as although I love the old-skool charm and practicality of the Carradice, the weight and having to fix it to a non-Brooks saddle looks like a bit of a faf.

Nikki,

I'm not sure which camera to take, but it'll be somewhere between a compact and full on SLR. I might look at the Alpkit fuelcell as this looks big enough to carry a fair sized camera.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 12 January, 2016, 09:54:07 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 12 January, 2016, 09:25:04 pm
Thanks everyone. I think that I'll collect what I think that I'll need and see how big a package it makes and then buy something about 50% bigger!

It sounds like you haven't heard the classic mantra of expedition packing:

"Lay out all the kit and all the money you'll need, then take half the kit and twice the money."
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Veloman on 12 January, 2016, 10:31:50 pm: My solution would be purchase a very lightweight rack and some Alpkit dry bags (other makes available.

Secure bags to rack (lightweight homemade elastic/bungee) and you have a very lightweight system that is very flexible. These are also good and weight is insignificant:

https://www.alpkit.com/products/airlok-xtra-tapered (https://www.alpkit.com/products/airlok-xtra-tapered)

Does benefit from an extra strap to keep it nice and tight to the frame.

I don't believe in going lightweight and then using heavy kit to carry the minimal amount, particularly when you have a credit card!
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: jiberjaber on 12 January, 2016, 11:18:51 pm: Quote from: Phartiphukborlz on 10 January, 2016, 11:42:56 pm
I've credit card / youth hostel toured for up to two weeks with a Carradice Nelson (14 litres), it worked fine. here's (https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=tS&page_id=314266&v=51) my kit list from one such tour.

Thats a great story :) good read!

In terms of credit card touring, I did 9 days with 2 full Ortlib panniers and a rack bag for day stuff, 14kg I think in total, however there was a mixture of approaches from the others on the tour. I did experiment in washing my kit and found I needed to carry 3 sets, certainly of shorts, 1 to wear, 1 drying and one ready to wear the next day... it was taking a day and half to dry out the pad, warmer climes may reduce that of course.

In terms of options that were present on that tour:
A seat post mounted rack with a set of panniers on a carbon bike was one option through looked a bit high for the c of g.

Another was a similar seat mounted bag like a carradice which was often coming a bit unhitched.

There was also a rack with a large Ortlieb bag carried longitudinally atop a rack by Andrew OTP which gave a very aero approach but was a bit of a problem if you needed something out of it mid-ride.

Also an Apidura seat bag by Olaf OTP which worked well on his Brompton, though having tried one (the bag) I didn't get on with it.

I recently did a short trip from Middlesbrough to Edinburgh of similar duration and used both my two rear panniers and a Ortlieb bar bag, I think I took about 11kg as I didn't plan on washing gear, just a a change every 2 days or so and assumed autumnal weather failed to happen (though it rained a lot one day) so I was quite warm in long bib tights which are twice as heavy as shorts... I took the luxury of taking my trainers with me this time as I wanted to explore the towns a bit and though SPD shoes are OK for coffee stops, longer walks had proven uncomfortable whilst I was on the longer tour...
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: jiberjaber on 12 January, 2016, 11:22:20 pm: Example packing list, work in progress! :)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160112/696eb846aa3ca1c2e1eb8af82f961f33.jpg)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Andrew Br on 13 January, 2016, 12:21:36 am: Since jiberjaber has mentioned me, I'll contribute a little sooner than I was going to.
I tour/audax/do most things on a cross bike, an On-One Dirty Disco.
When it was new, it looked like this:-

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7960872428_ba8ba792c8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/d8ty2b)On One Dirty Disco (https://flic.kr/p/d8ty2b) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

Initially, for w/e credit card touring, I used a Carradice SQR Tour:-

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8177/8043414021_4388b314ee_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/dfLAL6)12-09-29 Carlisle-Newcastle Dirty Disco Carradice SQR Tour (https://flic.kr/p/dfLAL6) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

(This picture is actually from an overnight ride, Mcshroom's excellent Carlisle-Newcastle)

Audax mode (it was a particularly wet audax; waterproofs went in the frame bag:-

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8189/8422043296_da6da8d17e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/dQeb43)

)13-01-27 Dirty Disco after Mere 200 1 (https://flic.kr/p/dQeb43) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

Current set-up that jiber-jaber referenced:-

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5650/21395963446_21fd4425bf_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yAFUvu)15-09-06 Dirty Disco with rack and luggage (https://flic.kr/p/yAFUvu) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

Rack, Ortleib rack-pack, frame-bag and handle-bar bag.

Bike with moose but no rack-pack:-

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/579/21418695146_e20df1fa94_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yCGpRm)P9060335 (https://flic.kr/p/yCGpRm) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

I took this picture while I was waiting for jiberjaber to catch up ;).

In the past, I have used a beam rack (different bike):-

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1416/4609244353_e199138fcd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/82izLe)10-05-15 Mongoose MTB Kona P2 fork Chester station (https://flic.kr/p/82izLe) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

It's a Topeak rack and bag. It did tend to twist around the set-post.

I arrived at my current set-up because I don't like the way my bike(s) handle(s) when I'm using a heavily laden saddle-bag; the tail seems to wag, particularly when I'm out of the saddle. It's OK with the smaller bag and light loads.
The Ortleib rack-pack is very light-weight, as is the rack and it's also pretty aero. The drawbacks are that it's a faff to put it on- velcro straps and bungees in the picture above as a belt and braces approach- and it's very difficult to get stuff out of the bag during the day. Frame and handle-bar bags cover most "ride needs".
The Disco doesn't have fittings for a rack so mine mounts on the QR (no punctures yet; it'd be a real faff if I did have) and the seat-post clamp. So far, the set-up has been rock solid even over some rough roads at high speeds although I have to make sure that it's loaded correctly otherwise it can droop to the side.

One of the riders on the last Friday's tour was also on a Dirty Disco and she used a Bridge Street Designs bag:-

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/629/21258044069_a771b8a9ef_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yov2Tc)P9060330 (https://flic.kr/p/yov2Tc) by Chocolatebike1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31668252@N05/), on Flickr

It's the bike on the far right of the picture. There were some issues with the bag bouncing onto the rear wheel over bumpy roads. We fixed it by wrapping a bungee around the bag and the saddle rails to raise it slightly and to stiffen the mounting.

All of my touring is "CC" based; I don't camp.
I always take 2 sets of cycling gear, particularly shorts/bibs. They don't weigh much and they're not bulky but I do enjoy putting on clean, dry kit in the morning.

My rack is an Axiom.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Fab Foodie on 13 January, 2016, 12:17:46 pm: Saddle-bag and bar bag for me as I already own multiple sizes of saddlebag. Also there are loops atop the bags for bungeeing a dry-bag onto the top as required (I do this for my bulky Paramo jacket).
Tools are in a Tool-bottle slung under the frame.

I use this as a useful way to transfer bags from bike to bike (it's just 1 bolt) and to quickly remove the bag for security reasons as required
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=87

If you need bag support then:
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=147
Again, one bolt to move from bike to bike.

I also have the SQR system that also works, but it's not quite as stable as the Bagman and not all bikes have enough seatpost. Furthermore it lacks support under the bag.
I've recently discovered that large re-useable tie-wraps are often easier than the leather straps for attachment.

On the front something as simple as a £12 Decathlon bar-bag does the job of keeping small bits in one place, keys, phone, nibbles, map etc.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 05:53:02 pm: Thanks again everyone. The packing lists are extremely helpful.

Andrew Br

That's exactly the same bike I'm probably going to use, an On One Dirty Disco, which for all it's charms doesn't have rack fittings. I didn't realise that you could get racks to fit. I'll have to take a look at the axiom racks. B.T.W. How did you get on with the Carradice Tour ? I'd looked at those and they seemed a good option.

Phartiphukbalz,

I did know that mantra, just thought mine was more pragmatic !

Thanks Fab Foodie, I'll take a look at those.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 06:14:37 pm: Quote from: Fab Foodie on 13 January, 2016, 12:17:46 pm

I use this as a useful way to transfer bags from bike to bike (it's just 1 bolt) and to quickly remove the bag for security reasons as required
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=87

If you need bag support then:
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=147
Again, one bolt to move from bike to bike.

They really look like a great solution but £72 for a couple of things to hold a bag to a bike and then £85 for the bag. Wow ! It'd probably work out cheaper to get a taxi to follow me with my luggage.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Andrew Br on 13 January, 2016, 06:53:17 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 05:53:02 pm

Andrew Br

That's exactly the same bike I'm probably going to use, an On One Dirty Disco, which for all it's charms doesn't have rack fittings. I didn't realise that you could get racks to fit. I'll have to take a look at the axiom racks. B.T.W. How did you get on with the Carradice Tour ? I'd looked at those and they seemed a good option.

Great choice of bike Rji, I love mine.....
I think my rack is this one:- http://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/streamliner/streamliner-disc-dlx/

My LBS provided a saddle clamp with fastenings for the rack.

I find the SQR Tour to be OK but I don't like the way it affects the bike even when it's only laden for an overnight stay. It's not just the Disco, I've found the same on my other bikes.

Rack + bag is the way for me, I'd just like to find a light-weight rack-bag with enough capacity and a secure, easy on/off fastening and external pockets for ride stuff.

Bikes, lights and bags; you can never have too many. Or so it appears ::-).
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Fab Foodie on 13 January, 2016, 06:59:57 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 06:14:37 pm
Quote from: Fab Foodie on 13 January, 2016, 12:17:46 pm

I use this as a useful way to transfer bags from bike to bike (it's just 1 bolt) and to quickly remove the bag for security reasons as required
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=87

If you need bag support then:
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=147
Again, one bolt to move from bike to bike.

They really look like a great solution but £72 for a couple of things to hold a bag to a bike and then £85 for the bag. Wow ! It'd probably work out cheaper to get a taxi to follow me with my luggage.

Yeah the bags are pricey .... but last forever.
For QR attachment to bike with support, £45. Again, last for donkeys and the whole rig is removed from the bike in no time to return to non-travelling mode. No rack or rack mounts required.
I appreciate they're not everybody's cup of tea, but they work very well.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 08:23:38 pm: Quote from: Andrew Br on 13 January, 2016, 06:53:17 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 05:53:02 pm

Andrew Br

That's exactly the same bike I'm probably going to use, an On One Dirty Disco, which for all it's charms doesn't have rack fittings. I didn't realise that you could get racks to fit. I'll have to take a look at the axiom racks. B.T.W. How did you get on with the Carradice Tour ? I'd looked at those and they seemed a good option.

Great choice of bike Rji, I love mine.....
I think my rack is this one:- http://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/streamliner/streamliner-disc-dlx/

My LBS provided a saddle clamp with fastenings for the rack.

I find the SQR Tour to be OK but I don't like the way it affects the bike even when it's only laden for an overnight stay. It's not just the Disco, I've found the same on my other bikes.

Rack + bag is the way for me, I'd just like to find a light-weight rack-bag with enough capacity and a secure, easy on/off fastening and external pockets for ride stuff.

Bikes, lights and bags; you can never have too many. Or so it appears ::-).

I love my DD as well. The only difference is that I 'stealthed' (not sure that's a word) mine and had it delivered with no decals and fitted a single black On-One logo.

Tredz are selling the racks.

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Axiom-Streamliner-Disc-Deluxe-Rear-Rack_54702.htm

They look good and together with a pair of light panniers like these :

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Altura-Ultralite-Packable-Panniers_76291.htm,

may be just the solution I'm looking for. I'll just need to resist the temptation to fill them.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 15 January, 2016, 07:05:31 pm: Quote from: Andrew Br on 13 January, 2016, 06:53:17 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 13 January, 2016, 05:53:02 pm

Andrew Br

That's exactly the same bike I'm probably going to use, an On One Dirty Disco, which for all it's charms doesn't have rack fittings. I didn't realise that you could get racks to fit. I'll have to take a look at the axiom racks. B.T.W. How did you get on with the Carradice Tour ? I'd looked at those and they seemed a good option.

Great choice of bike Rji, I love mine.....
I think my rack is this one:- http://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/streamliner/streamliner-disc-dlx/

Andrew BR - how confident are you that it's that rack ? I've spoken to Tredz and they don't think that it'll fit the DD and so I can't really buy it from them unless I'm confident it'll fit, as I'll look stupid if I have to return it. I'll buy it if you're more than say 50% confident.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Andrew Br on 16 January, 2016, 12:59:36 am: I'm 99% sure.
I know it's an Axiom and their other racks don't look the same as the one that I have.
Checking the dimensions show that it's pretty close (a few mm either way).
I'm using the two black upper fittings rather than the single (silver) one:-

(http://www.axiomgear.com/img/prod/streamliner-disc-dlx-2.jpg)

They fasten to the seat clamp, something that the LBS got for me.
I can take a picture of it later today if that helps; the bike is currently at the LBS for "attention".

Please feel free to ask for more info :).
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 07:17:53 pm: Thanks Andy Br, I'd say that's good enough. There's only a couple of the Axiom racks that it could be, the Streamliner Disc DLX or the 29ER DLX and it looks like either would probably fit as there only seems to be a few mm difference between them.

I'll measure the bike later and see if it'll fit.

Next step, the dry bag and maybe a small handlebar bag for daily stuff and my camera (oh, and the moose !).
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: LEE on 16 January, 2016, 07:46:14 pm: A Rack pack or a Saddlebag. I don't like panniers for credit-card touring, they tend to get filled and spoil the lightweight nature of it all.

I'm using my Carradice Super C for a 3 day tour in June but it also got me through my 10 day trip to PBP2015 and back over 10 days.

Cycling gear dries out overnight so I just washed it in the shower.

Me and my big old Super C on about day 9.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IY1iEnWVw8Q/Vpqd01CEvjI/AAAAAAAAGTQ/FaIVmgP6_jc/s1024-Ic42/IMG_1042.jpg)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Andrew Br on 16 January, 2016, 10:15:38 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 07:17:53 pm
Thanks Andy Br,

Andrew. Please.

Quote from: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 07:17:53 pm
(oh, and the moose !).

Moose is optional.
Our's has done Vatterernrundan, a few audaxes and plenty of tours. He rides in the top-tube bag.

My earlier post wasn't too helpful; my rack is the Streamliner Disc DLX.

Andrew
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 11:53:29 pm: Quote from: Andrew Br on 16 January, 2016, 10:15:38 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 07:17:53 pm
Thanks Andy Br,

Andrew. Please.

Quote from: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 07:17:53 pm
(oh, and the moose !).

Moose is optional.
Our's has done Vatterernrundan, a few audaxes and plenty of tours. He rides in the top-tube bag.

My earlier post wasn't too helpful; my rack is the Streamliner Disc DLX.

Andrew

Thanks Andrew, that's extremely helpful, thank you for checking. I'll order one tomorrow.

Apologies about your name, it's just that I'm an Andy and it came as second nature.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 16 January, 2016, 11:59:03 pm: Quote from: LEE on 16 January, 2016, 07:46:14 pm
A Rack pack or a Saddlebag. I don't like panniers for credit-card touring, they tend to get filled and spoil the lightweight nature of it all.

I'm using my Carradice Super C for a 3 day tour in June but it also got me through my 10 day trip to PBP2015 and back over 10 days.

Cycling gear dries out overnight so I just washed it in the shower.

Me and my big old Super C on about day 9.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IY1iEnWVw8Q/Vpqd01CEvjI/AAAAAAAAGTQ/FaIVmgP6_jc/s1024-Ic42/IMG_1042.jpg)

Nice set up. That's pretty impressive use of a Super C.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: madcow on 18 January, 2016, 03:42:42 pm: I agree with Lee. I have used a similar saddlebag for multi-day tours in warm and wet countries.
Mount it on a Carradice Bagman quick release and you can carry all your luggage into the hotel in one hand, rather than having to cope with several smaller packs. It may be traditional but it works.
Raincoat on top flap for quick access, everything else inside in waterproof bags.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 18 January, 2016, 06:03:45 pm: Rack bought :)

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Axiom-Streamliner-Disc-Deluxe-Rear-Rack_54702.htm
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Karla on 18 January, 2016, 08:29:29 pm: It's not too late to buy a Carradice: you can use the rack instead of a Bagman as the support ;)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: zigzag on 18 January, 2016, 08:45:33 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 18 January, 2016, 06:03:45 pm
Rack bought :)

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Axiom-Streamliner-Disc-Deluxe-Rear-Rack_54702.htm

i've got it on my hybrid, it's a pretty decent rack. i am thinking now if there would be a way to attach ortlieb front roller on top of the rack (for better aerodynamics)? perhaps by attaching a ~15cm rod with nuts to the front end of the rack?
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 18 January, 2016, 10:04:31 pm: Quote from: zigzag on 18 January, 2016, 08:45:33 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 18 January, 2016, 06:03:45 pm
Rack bought :)

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Axiom-Streamliner-Disc-Deluxe-Rear-Rack_54702.htm

i've got it on my hybrid, it's a pretty decent rack. i am thinking now if there would be a way to attach ortlieb front roller on top of the rack (for better aerodynamics)? perhaps by attaching a ~15cm rod with nuts to the front end of the rack?

Sounds like it should work. Why not secure it with tie wraps to test it ?

I'm thinking of a dry bag from Alpkit strapped to the top of the rack, but still want something for my camera. Maybe a handlebar bag or a smaller Carradice.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 25 January, 2016, 03:10:06 pm: 8)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1517/24497224782_a5173c5c74_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DjJFsw)daleftw-7.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DjJFsw)

by Dale FTW (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129018234@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 25 January, 2016, 03:32:52 pm: Full marks for the audacity of taking your own hotel with you. Attaching it as a sidecar was a stroke of genius!
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: woollypigs on 25 January, 2016, 03:58:00 pm: Well I clearly misunderstood credit card tour. Take bike and credit card go riding, right?

If stuff is needed, use card to pay for said service. Need food - pay with card, need something fixed - pay with card, need transport - pay with card, need stuff carried with - pay someone to ride with you with your panniers on their bike.

:)
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 30 January, 2016, 10:57:55 pm: Now sorted.

I've ordered the Axiom rack and a pair of Altura Arran panniers. I'll probably just use one pannier, but may use the other for my camera as I plan to take a lot of photos along the way.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Andrew Br on 05 February, 2016, 11:22:05 pm: Quote from: Redjeep! on 30 January, 2016, 10:57:55 pm
for my camera as I plan to take a lot of photos along the way.

Please make sure that you take a picture or two of the Dirty Disco with the rack and luggage.
We can't have too many Dirty Disco pictures on the forum ;D.

Hope the "system" works well for you.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 06 February, 2016, 11:55:49 pm: Quote from: Andrew Br on 05 February, 2016, 11:22:05 pm
Quote from: Redjeep! on 30 January, 2016, 10:57:55 pm
for my camera as I plan to take a lot of photos along the way.

Please make sure that you take a picture or two of the Dirty Disco with the rack and luggage.
We can't have too many Dorty Dosco pictures on the forum ;D.

Hope the "system" works well for you.

I was actually playing with it in the shed today. I think that I'll need to get a seatpost clamp with a rack mount and do a bit of bending of the support tubes, but I reckon it'll fit.

Photos will follow.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: mzjo on 08 February, 2016, 08:35:38 pm: Came to this a bit late but here's my take on the problem. The frame is a (relatively) pure racing frame - no big clearances, even the downtube stops have to be fitted upside down to make clearance for the mudguards/28 section front tyre if the guards are not fitted (too much faff I have decided trying to use the raceblades with 28 at the front so back to 23).
(http://i.imgur.com/3j1AnGY.jpg)

The barbag is about the same size as my Oxford one (8l) but cost 2€ in a jumble, brand new (still in the packing). The qr is salvaged from a Decathlon mapholder of many years ago and has served for a long while in a slightly different configuration. It looks a bit of a bodge but the bag holding screws are set to take a bottle cage in place of a bag if ever the need arose. The straps on the bag are too short to fix easily to the bars and I prefer my hands behind the bag. Holding the bag a bit straighter is a frame in 4mm rod bent up by me and which has a bit of 1" tube fixed to it (removable otherwise the frame couldn't come off) to take a conventional bar-fitting front light (in my case modded to a separate battery pack in the barbag)
The saddlebag is a Camper Longflap fixed directly to the saddle with a Carradice saddle clamp that has been hacked and modified. There is a support using a childseat support on the seat tube and which has yet to have its rear light bracket fitted (the steel tube bit is not original and can come off when the saddle bag is not needed). The barbag support cannot come off unless the klicky bar fitting is removed but I don't envisage going without the barbag (although I would dump the saddlebag if not necessary). A tent would go on the flap although I do have a tiny chinese one that goes on the toptube.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: adenough on 19 February, 2016, 08:44:27 pm: I use different setups and still undecided about the best. Recently on a Scottish tour a frame pack and barbag. Worked very well and no problems.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/618/20723792742_fde60376a4_c.jpg)
French tour was a Carradice Super C, SQR and Barbag. Lots of space and no problems. Quick release very handy.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5824/21774051928_a0527415d6_c.jpg)
Another French Tour, a rare 300gram Carradice Frame bag and cheap Lidl bar bag did the job. But would not recommend that barbag.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8348/8179579159_401d15ee35_c.jpg)
One tip. Go down the £1 shop. Two vacuum bags for a £1. Put all your clothes in the bag, undo valve and sit on it, squeezing all the air out and refasten valve. reduces your packed bulk a huge amount and also keeps everything dry. Best buy ever for touring.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 22 February, 2016, 09:19:00 pm: Nice set up Adenough.

Thanks for the tip, I'd planned on getting bin liners, but they sound better.
Title: Re: How to Carry Gear for a 4 Day Credit Card Tour
Post by: Redjeep! on 12 September, 2016, 10:07:32 pm: Hi everyone.

I thought that I should update this thread as a thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sorry it's taken so long but I was off the bike for months due to a medical issue. However, I'm just back yesterday from my 4 day CC tour. Except that it wasn't along the west coast of Ireland and I didn't take my Dirty Disco.

I did London to Paris instead due to a desire to do something more 'epic' than a ride along the local coastline. Due to the cost of flying a bike along to London from Ireland I rented a bike from 'On Your Bike' under London Bridge. All in all though it went well and I loved my first self supported tour.

I followed the Donald Hirsch route through France but didn't really plan my London to Newhaven route very well and got lost a couple of times and got dumped on the A23 for a while which wasn't great.

My itinerary was as follows:

Day 1 London Bridge to Brighton (no idea on distance as I got lost so much).
Day 2 Brighton to Newhaven in time for the 9 am ferry which docked at 14:00 and then 45 miles into France to Dampierre
Day 3 Dampierre to Versailles (75 miles)
Day 4 Versailles to Paris (20 miles) , on the eurostar in time to give the bike back before 5 pm and then a flight back to Ireland.

What went well.

Well, I made it everywhere I had to in time !
I used 2x 18 litre Altura Arran panniers clipped to the rack on the rented bike. Neither pannier was particularly full, maybe next time I'll try and get down to 1. The only things I didn't use were a winter bike jacket as the weather was so good and some mechanical insurance type items (spare tyre, cables, tools etc).
No mechanical issues enroute.
I had downloaded Google maps for the entire regions onto a tablet before I went which was very useful (and accessible offline).
Once I figured out my GPS it was great help in finding the route (which isn't always the easiest).

What went badly/ opportunities for improvement:

I should have planned my route out of London better.
I also should have played with my GPS a bit more beforehand so I understood how it worked before I left, rather than by day 3....I was relying upon it a bit too much when I left London and expected it to plot a route for me.
I'd like to do it again and spend another day or two to enjoy it a bit more.
Accommodation wasn't great in Brighton (sleazy bedsit) and Versailles (stereotypical I&I$ chain hotel), but the farmhouse B&B in Dampierre was nothing short of fantastic.
Before the next one I'd like to figure out someway to carry a map on the handlebars for easy access and to save time digging stuff out of my pannier. I'm not sure I'm 'hardcore' enough for a bar bag quite yet though.

So in summary, yes I'm pretty addicted to cycle touring and am already starting to plan my next 'epic' adventure.

Thanks everyone.