Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Really Ancien on 18 February, 2009, 02:15:28 pm
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I'm sure it's possible to get round without resorting to Ibuprofen and Caffeine. Does anyone have an good tips on how to do that?
Damon.
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Training, but that's equally against the spirit of Audax.
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Training goes better with a bit of ibuprofen. I've tried a number of strategies, no pills, pills from the start followed by gel and no medication until after 600km. You can always tell the ones who aren't on anti-inflammatories, their faces are all puffed out by the action of road shock after 800k. There are side-effects I'm sure.
Damon.
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I always leave the Ibroprofen in reserve until it is needed
On PBP this was on until the last day
On LEL this was the day after the Cannobie->Dalkeith->Alston experience
My ankles seem a bit strong now I ride single speed most of the time so I'm hoping that I will get around without it this time
As for caffeine, I will be drinking strong coffee whenever I can get hold of stuff that's any good and I will be eating pro plus like smarties
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Just for info - if you are taking any prescribed medication, this will go on your brevet card. As will any allergies.
Don't want someone to have an accident , get carted to hospital and be given a drug which may cause interactions, or that you may be allergic to.
What you take en route is entirely your own responsibility. Though it is likely to be only instant coffee at controls.
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I will be eating pro plus like smarties
Not always the best of ideas... (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/PBP%202007/P7260059.jpg)
::-)
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Agreed.
Its that manic grin thats worrying.......
Controllers have the right to pull anyone they think is unfit. As do the Moto Crew and me. And we do have a number of volunteers with medical backgrounds whose experience will be listened to.
Basically if you want to carry on with a dodgy knee with your own supply of analgesia, your knee, your choice.
If you want to carry on and in the opinion of the above, you are liable to require emergency medical assistance, you will be removed. We do not like unnecessary paperwork. ;D
;D
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I'd best start working on my 1000yd stare now...
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I will be eating pro plus like smarties
Not always the best of ideas... (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/PBP%202007/P7260059.jpg)
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When I say "like smarties" I don't mean in mayoral quanities :)
And instant only at controls is going to mean I won't have any there
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The medical man who treated my wife's throat/stomach condition reckoned an overindulgencce in Ibuprofen was about the worst thing you could do for the health of your tummy.
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The medical man who treated my wife's throat/stomach condition reckoned an overindulgencce in Ibuprofen was about the worst thing you could do for the health of your tummy.
It causes a 'rising gorge' sensation, so it interferes with eating. I can go about two days before I get it too badly. But, with the need to neck 9,000 calories a day at least, anything that interferes with eating is a bad idea. I do find that Ibuprofen helps with saddle pain and foot pain. So I've tended to go onto it after the second day for about 24 hours and then onto gel massaged into the ankles and wrists, where the absorbtion into the system is fastest through the thin skin.
Another dodge is to treat an aching achilles tendon with those plastic 'popsicles' which cornershops sell, They can be folded in half and stuffed down your sock for relief. Don't forget to drink the liquid, as it is quite high in glucose.
Damon.
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Antacids seemed most in demand at Thorne in 2005.
Plentiful supplies of peppermint water, gaviscon, and ranitidine (zantac) got issued with fairly good effect.
Ibuprofen is noted for its harshness on the stomach and can commonly cause stomach upsets of one variety or another which are usually not a problem except when the stomach is folded in half on a bike for 1400km.
I did notice the large supply of sudocrem I put out also went, as did the vaseline.
The bar also seemed a popular source of analgesic.
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Postie has advised me on this and although I am not expecting problems I'll have two bags of bannana cake, seventy-five pellets of tic tacs, five sheets of high-powered blotter antacid, a saltshaker half-full of salt and a whole multicolored collection of jelly babies, wine gums, fruit pastiles, spangles . . . Also, a quart of lucozade sport, a quart of gatorade, a case of the squits, a pint or two of ESB and two dozen flapjacks. Not that I'll need all that for the trip, but once you get into a serious carb collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worries me is the ESB. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ESB binge and I know we'll get into that rotten stuff pretty soon . . .
H
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I'd best start working on my 1000yd stare now...
The controllers are highly experienced. They can spot the genuine article a mile off
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I avoid Ibuprofen tablets due to stomach being a bit sensitive and prone to acid, so I'm limited to
nice young gels.
I've rarely needed to use them - only on PBP and one or two 600s.
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Find a friend who has had kidney stones and borrow his Dicloflex; worked for me on my first 600 with a shot knee O:-) :demon:
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Find a friend who has had kidney stones and borrow his Dicloflex; worked for me on my first 600 with a shot knee O:-) :demon:
Just taken a look in my cupboard. I have a whole heap of Celebrex, Diclofan and other assorted pills. I am unable to take any of them now so will be limited to Paracetamol and prayer.
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I trust that no-one here has disapproved of any of the pros who use "tackle" to get round races!!
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I trust that no-one here has disapproved of any of the pros who use "tackle" to get round races!!
I remember seeing TdF riders hooked up to drips for Aspirin as an anti-inflammatory, that's how they get round the gastric effects. They'll take anything that isn't banned. In PBP there are a suspicious number of Doctors looking very awake indeed. I've never taken anything that needed a prescription, or was only avaiable from a chemist's.
Damon.
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They cant expect us to get round on Paracetamol and prayer can they ?I am thinking about that ESP that Hummers was talking about.Is it similar to EPO ?
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Postie has advised me on this . . .
;D ;D ;D
I trust you'll have your tyres pumped up to 600 psi as well?
not quite sure which turn-off to take . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .We had all the momentum
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They cant expect us to get round on Paracetamol and prayer can they ?I am thinking about that ESP that Hummers was talking about.Is it similar to EPO ?
ESP? Is that 'extra stimulatory pleasure' then or something else?
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I hardly think taking pain killers and anti-inflammatory agents on a (probably) one-off and non-competitive long distance event is comparable with the professional cheats in cycle racing
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ISTR that I got round in '97 without anything, but I was so unfit that after the first 24h I probably didn't feel much.
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I thought you felt me ;) ;D
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Postie has advised me on this and although I am not expecting problems I'll have two bags of bannana cake, seventy-five pellets of tic tacs, five sheets of high-powered blotter antacid, a saltshaker half-full of salt and a whole multicolored collection of jelly babies, wine gums, fruit pastiles, spangles . . . Also, a quart of lucozade sport, a quart of gatorade, a case of the squits, a pint or two of ESB and two dozen flapjacks. Not that I'll need all that for the trip, but once you get into a serious carb collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worries me is the ESB. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ESB binge and I know we'll get into that rotten stuff pretty soon . . .
H
;D YouTube - Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas cinema typography (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvq7MGJ8R_k)
"We can't stop here! This is Tandem country!"
"If we're ever going to get out of here alive, we're going to need some cycling shoes."
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I'll be taking a physiotherapist I think. ;D
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I thought you felt me ;) ;D
Ah yes, the angelesic!
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"We can't stop here! This is Tandem country!"
"If we're ever going to get out of here alive, we're going to need some cycling shoes."
Indeed.
;)
H
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I've never used ibuprofen, or any pain killer. I have used Savlon, which works best for me. Use it before you get sore, not after and wash regularly, at least every day with soap. Then clean shorts. You shouldn't get saddle sore if you do that.
Caffeine is fair enough. But getting plenty of sleep before the ride is a hell of a lot better.
Carry some cafeine pills or dark chocolate. But try not to use it unless you need to. You shouldn't need it on the first night. If you do then I hope you can pedal fast and make time up for sleep or some very slow grovelling.
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Like TG I have never used any type of pain killer on a ride. I have spent a long time getting my saddle and shorts of choice and am very careful (obsessed) with my bike set up and cleat position and shoes.
I must say I am a little confused about the gastric effects that are discussed here. I have had tummy trubble on rides but nothing that would require any medication. My main problem is with eating too much ruffage. Porrage, whole meal bread and oat bake bars all contain lots of ruffage. I find on long rides I need to eat some rubbish that has calories but little ruffage. I am partial to the odd pork pie on a log ride. If I avoid hard efforts that I have no problems with digesting it.
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Good to hear pork pies described as medication.
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I agree eating too much roughage can be a problem; jacket spud + baked beans are another culprit here. I agree 'rubbish' is good on long rides.
Depending on how your body handles sugar, sweets may be your friend (but look after your teeth), milk drinks can be helpful and there is always CAKE.
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Good to hear pork pies described as medication.
Top breeders recommend it because it's <THUMP> solid nourishment...
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One handy tip is not to use Ibuprofen as an analgesic following a fall.
The use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen (Advil) and naproxen (Aleve) may lead to increased bruising. Aspirin, antidepressants, asthma medications, and cortisone medications also have this effect. The anti-clotting medications also known as blood thinners, especially the drug Warfarin (Coumadin), may be the cause of particularly severe bruising.
I was advised to use Co-Codamol. but that is pharmacy only, I believe Paracetemol doesn't promote bruising, but I'm only too happy to be contradicted by someone medical.
The other main area of medication is the lotions used in the seat area. Vaseline tends to dry the skin, which has an effect during a 1400 Km ride.
Damon.
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There was me thinking audaxers did lots of training. You're all as bad as <insert name of virtually any famous racing cyclist> ::-)
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There was me thinking audaxers did lots of training.
We do, but our bodies cannot withstand it without a little help from modern science. :P
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There was me thinking audaxers did lots of training. You're all as bad as <insert name of virtually any famous racing cyclist> ::-)
I wanted to use a throat spray I bought in France whilst touring, in the days leading PBP, but it's a banned substance so I had to get hold of some non-banned tablets, which were much less effective.
It's quite annoying not being able to take the most effective medication.
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It's not always for yourself that you have to dose yourself up. An LEL finish will generally require a tolerant and supportive partner. Reaching a point where a few Ibuprofen or a decent steroidal cream can get you to the finish can work wonders for home harmony.
I got knocked off by a scooter in PBP 2003 and was on Ibuprofen for the remaining 200 miles, that's how I know about the bruising. But I carried on because my partner Heather was also riding, not having finished in 1999, so I wanted to finish so that her acheivement was undiminished by my failing.
It's useful to know what can help in certain circumstances, it's often not just you who has a stake in your finish.
Damon.
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There was me thinking audaxers did lots of training. You're all as bad as <insert name of virtually any famous racing cyclist> ::-)
You can't do $LONG_AUDAX on mineral water!
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I wanted to use a throat spray I bought in France whilst touring, in the days leading PBP, but it's a banned substance so I had to get hold of some non-banned tablets, which were much less effective.
It's quite annoying not being able to take the most effective medication.
I assume you are referring to this (http://www.gizmoandwidget.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=105).
H
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My friend has asthma and said I can use some of his inhalators - van anyone confirm if these are any good? I don't want to load up my bag with stuff I don't need.
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My friend has asthma and said I can use some of his inhalators - van anyone confirm if these are any good? I don't want to load up my bag with stuff I don't need.
Is this a joke?
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I am partial to the odd pork pie on a log ride.
This probably should belong in the 'unofficial LEL facilities' thread, but for pork pie connoisseurs a visit to Curtis of Lincoln (http://www.curtisoflincoln.com/) is a must.
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My friend has asthma and said I can use some of his inhalators - van anyone confirm if these are any good? I don't want to load up my bag with stuff I don't need.
Go for the Bill Clinton method, use them but just don't inhale.
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I wanted to use a throat spray I bought in France whilst touring, in the days leading PBP, but it's a banned substance so I had to get hold of some non-banned tablets, which were much less effective.
It's quite annoying not being able to take the most effective medication.
I assume you are referring to this (http://www.gizmoandwidget.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=105).
H
Yessz dahling! How did you guessz!
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On overnight rides I always carry a couple of cans of Red Bull. Its extra weight, but if I get an attack of the "dozzies" I chug one and then am right as reign in 5 mins. For me it works a lot better than Pro plus.
Was watching a program on telly about sleep deprivation and they were talking about a drug called Mofanadil (I think thats how its spelt) IT switches off the bodies "go to sleep" mechanism and you can literally stay awake for days with no side effect - unlike say Cocaine or Speed.
Apparently its used by a lot of students cramming for their finals.
Its prescription only in this country - but a cursory glance in Interweb and its very easy to buy online.
Anybody ever tried any??
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On overnight rides I always carry a couple of cans of Red Bull. Its extra weight, but if I get an attack of the "dozzies" I chug one and then am right as reign in 5 mins. For me it works a lot better than Pro plus.
Was watching a program on telly about sleep deprivation and they were talking about a drug called Mofanadil (I think thats how its spelt) IT switches off the bodies "go to sleep" mechanism and you can literally stay awake for days with no side effect - unlike say Cocaine or Speed.
Apparently its used by a lot of students cramming for their finals.
Its prescription only in this country - but a cursory glance in Interweb and its very easy to buy online.
Anybody ever tried any??
One of the side effects of prolonged sleep deprivation is death.
Do you feel lucky?
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The funny thing is that the main drug I've ever used on LEL is Alcohol, I find it quite difficult to sleep to order, so in 2005 on the first night I had a couple of pints of bitter and the second about two thirds of a bottle of Australian Shiraz. It's important to make the most of the time you do get to sleep.
Damon.
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The funny thing is that the main drug I've ever used on LEL is Alcohol, I find it quite difficult to sleep to order, so in 2005 on the first night I had a couple of pints of bitter and the second about two thirds of a bottle of Australian Shiraz. It's important to make the most of the time you do get to sleep.
Damon.
I used Speckled Hen on the New Forest 1000 and gave the same excuse reason as you.
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Beer would be ideal as a nightcap: helps you sleep, contains carbs, rehydrates (a bit) and a couple of pints will wake me up nice and early when I need to pee.
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
I was thinking of using a bicycle, but then again they seem to be made from all manner of materials these days.
Damon.
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
But that would mean missing out on the sherry trifle at Dalkeith.
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
But that would mean missing out on the sherry trifle at Dalkeith.
Wow, no-one told me there'd be trifle!
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
I was thinking of using a bicycle, but then again they seem to be made from all manner of materials these days.
Damon.
I was more into the pogostick option but I still have 5 months to change my mind!
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Is my plan to do LEL on porridge, rice pudding, pasta, coffe, jelly babies and water naive?
But that would mean missing out on the sherry trifle at Dalkeith.
It is my druidistic duty to taste unknown preparations from far away regions and then report back my findings to the good people of Brittany. The invention of the safety bicycle/pogostick has indeed made our profession much easier.
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Beer would be ideal as a nightcap: helps you sleep, contains carbs, rehydrates (a bit) and a couple of pints will wake me up nice and early when I need to pee.
Over 2% ABV and it has a net dehydration effect. Still, coffee and other diuretics will be helping dehydrate you enough anyway.