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Title: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 11 January, 2017, 10:37:32 pm
So, some miscreant attempted to burgle a house somewhere up the road. They weren't very good and they only managed to break the door handle. Even I can do that. But it turns my mind to the fact that the Asbestos Palace is defended only by an alarm-shaped box that isn't connected to anything. Everyone ignores alarms, so I regard them as effectively pointless devices that serve only to alarm and then enrage the neighbours. But as frequent travellers, I wonder what the panel has to say about those internet home security camera things (I saw one advertised on the train, Canary, though having googled, it seems real canaries are far cheaper if likely less reliable). I'm intrigued by the ability to peek into the house and garden while I am away and check if the cats are disemboweling more expensive electronica. Anyone have any of these marvellous devices (there seems to be numerous brands) to recommend or condemn?

Not that I expect the police to do anything with any footage, but there's reassurance value from being able to check the Palace remains unbreached while we are away.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: DrMekon on 11 January, 2017, 11:58:54 pm
Caught a cleaner going through pockets and drawers, then nicking a tenner after my pc speakers went missing from my office - that was via supervisioncam freeware in about 2002.

I've now got nest and smartthings, which gives me various options. I really like the smarthome monitor in Smartthings, which has never missed a beat. I don't know if the video works as well as in this video, but the various door sensor, humidity, temp, motion and proximity stuff does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyk8JFYkxGE
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2017, 12:19:55 am
We have paid through the nose for a system from http://www.actresponse.com which includes fire/smoke/CO detectors, PIR CCTV detectors at strategic locations, intruder detectors for the outhouses and a personal pendant alarm for if I hit the deck.
The system is monitored 24/7 from Middlesbrough and they can see if there's anyone visible on the CCTVs.
David has the app on his iPhone and could spy on this if he so wished.

There is an alarm that sounds only in the house on actuation, and connects to the monitoring centre. We've had a few false alarms due to the hypersensitivity of the sensor in the garage.

I am not sure this is money well spent for the pennies it saves on the home insurance but I was persuaded to upgrade from the previous non-CCTV system by their sales/service staff...
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: rusky on 12 January, 2017, 07:51:45 am
I'm like DrMekon, I have Nest & Smartthings. I originally used Smartthings when my sons started walking home from school by themselves so I knew when they were in the house but also found out that the cleaner was only in the house for 45 mins to 1 hour when she was paid to clean for 2 hours.

Smartthings is easy to set up & the sensors are battery operated so no need for wires.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Ham on 12 January, 2017, 08:09:22 am
Back in 1999 when we moved into Ham Hall, I was travelling a lot for work and decided for peace of mind for Mrs Ham to have a NACOSS professionally fitted alarm installed, which is monitored and works perfectly.

There are two reasons for doing it. The first is for the box with flashing lights that should mean that the scrotes go to the next house without alarm. The second (and why it was installed) is that you can (and we do, every night) switch the downstairs on while you are sleeping upstairs and the alarm would be expected to scare off any intruder. The idea of waking to find an intruder rummaging m'drawers is not one I wish to experience.

Along with that, if it is activated, the police will attend as an emergency call, which is the best that can be expected. There are only two parties who need to take notice of the alarm: yourselves and the police and both are guaranteed.

I struggle to see the absolute value of CCTV beyond the vicarious thrill of watching the rummaging from afar, and potentially aiding the boys in blue tracking down the culprits (still not a high probability) (obv Helly has a very specific purpose)

(ETA: Maintenance cost is £20/month)
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: woollypigs on 12 January, 2017, 08:47:20 am
Moats, sharks and landmines only way to be sure.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Si S on 12 January, 2017, 08:55:02 am
Moats, sharks and landmines only way to be sure.

Think of the Yeti!
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: PaulF on 12 January, 2017, 09:01:33 am
A dog, a big dog. If you leave it alone when you're away it will be hungry when the intruder breaks in and they'll stand no chance.

Plus it will keep the bears at bay.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 12 January, 2017, 09:14:07 am
You don't need a REAL dog.  Just something that makes barking noises when noise-activated. 

Basically you don't want them to try to break in. 

Sadly we lost our (elderly) nosey neighbours opposite recently, gone to a sheltered home.  Hopefully their replacements will be nosey once they've done the house up.  We are getting a new front door altho' the quotes people say it's the back that matters.  Fortunately it's very hard to get round the back.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 12 January, 2017, 09:19:24 am
For CCTV like functionality I use a couple of old smartphones (acquired from kids when upgrading) and an app called 'Arthur' which works remarkably well. (I'm sure other similar apps are available). The phone can be left almost anywhere and no-one really notices a phone.
It's only been useful for seeing what the cat is doing while we're on holidays.
I've got a door activated Seimens alarm and linked PIR in the garage, but I'm generally of the opinion that a) you won't beat the professional bastartds, b) nasty scrotes are likely to cause more damage than is worth the goods they are stealing if you get too clever.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 January, 2017, 09:34:00 am
Fort Larrington, located in leafy Surrey, has an alarm.  And when I triggered it inadvertently while trying to gain access a couple of years ago a couple of nice gentlemen in a silver Astra with stripes on the side turned up inside ten minutes.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: ian on 12 January, 2017, 09:49:22 am
We did contemplate having a proper alarm system fitted (there was a ancient PIR-based system already in the Asbestos Palace but other than the ringer on the front of the house we had it ripped out as part of the refurb). We had one in the last place but it was just a bit of an expensive palaver (not to mentioning the monitoring company went bust and no one knew for months).

The odds of getting burgled (burglarized for pedants, though they probably don't like the z) are pretty low, and a violent robbery very low. The issue up the road sounds like the usual speculative knock-on-door and if no one is home have a go at the lock, which is most likely scenario. The back of the Palace is secluded which is my main concern, anyone back there can't be seen, so can work on the doors at their leisure. There's a couple of fences to climb to get there. And the yetis. I'd do the shark moat but given the hill I'd expect the water would leak and I'd be forever collecting sharks from the bottom of the hill.

I suspect CCTV is just an excuse to see what the cats are (or more likely aren't) doing and so my wife can check I'm not sitting in front of the internet wearing just pants. Or worse.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: frankly frankie on 12 January, 2017, 11:18:14 am
Cats?  If it were only cats.  Most of the activity in my back garden is badgers and foxes, and very welcome they are too.

My home was burgled twice a long time ago (once while out shopping and once at night while we slept upstairs) and has not been touched in 30 years since I fitted a very basic (just door sensors) alarm system with an obvious (and obviously connected, ie little winking lights) box.  In fact ours was the first house in our street to have an alarm.  And yes, one of those burglary incidents was almost certainly cleaner-related.  We also stopped having an agency cleaner.

However as a frequent traveller my best investment by far has been motorised curtains on the front windows.  These open on a timer in the morning and close on a light sensor in the evening.  We've had these for 20 years now and they are a great asset, the more so since we lost our very good neighbours a few years ago and are now surrounded by relative strangers.

The main benefit of having a house alarm is at night, you don't have to lie there listening to odd creaks and bumps and wondering if there's an intruder - the alarm tells you there is not, very good for the peace of mind.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 January, 2017, 11:39:59 am
The one time I've been burgled, I had a barky aggressive dog and a nosy neighbour. The burglers smashed a door panel in, beat the dog with a large stick (his head was swollen and bruised and he was found hiding under a bed). The neighour watched the burglars park up, and run into the house and come out carrying stuff.

There have been multiple news stories of burglers being caught after they were filmed on webcam. Just make sure the webcam sends the pictures to a web server. The police do use the pictures.

Helen's system sounds like the business, if you can afford it. I personally wouldn't like something that someone else could spy on. I wouldn't even like the idea of cameras that someone else might be able to hack into. But heyho that's modern life. Like my stepdaughter says "If I'm getting dressed or anything, I throw a towel over my webcam and I always assume my microphone is live."
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: hellymedic on 12 January, 2017, 12:02:39 pm
The sales droid that sold me my new system told me the police would only attend a burglary if there was definite evidence of an intruder, like CCTV. Activation of a monitored system in itself was insufficient.
Previous system was monitored but lacked CCTV.

There are a lot of burglar/car alarms that are ignored in the area.

Man next door had silent, opportunist burglary last month. Someone walked into his home through an unlocked door and helped themself to watches and a TV.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: ian on 12 January, 2017, 12:04:45 pm
To be honest I'd be pointing any cameras outwards, once they're in, they're in. Other than a couple of Apple computers and a Brompton, we don't actually have much worth stealing as we don't do stuff like jewellery and watches. I'd like to see someone lug our 13-year-old 45 inch Samsung projector TV over the fence. No really, I would. Anyway, I'm philosophical that it's just stuff and insured stuff at that.

I like the idea of motorised curtains (or blinds in our case). My modest anti-burglary strategy is to automate lights to go on and off in different parts of the house but the blinds are a bit of a giveaway. I figure most burglars don't want to meet the owners and there's no shortage of houses around where it's obvious no one is home.

I'd like something that can shoot electricity at Bad Cat when she gets her appetite for destruction.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: DrMekon on 12 January, 2017, 12:23:33 pm
Ring?

https://ring.com/

Works with IFTTT and smartthings, alneit not the smarthome monitoring aspect of STs

Like rusky, we got ours for the kids - my eldest has high functioning autism, and likes to go to the park and walk home alone after school. A combo of IFTTT on his phone with some geofencing and location monitoring, plus TRACKR for when he forgets to charge his phone, plus the ST presence monitoring means I can keep an eye on him. He'll still get himself in to trouble, but it means I can find him when he does.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Ham on 12 January, 2017, 12:29:44 pm
The sales droid that sold me my new system told me the police would only attend a burglary if there was definite evidence of an intruder, like CCTV. Activation of a monitored system in itself was insufficient.


Hmmm.

If our system activates the monitoring service instantly calls as a false alarm trap, if answered within 30 seconds and responded with the codeword deactivates, otherwise places a 999 call to which the boyz in bloo respond.

If you activate the panic alarm it will go direct to 999 and cannot be cancelled. No matter if you accidentally punch in the code into the keypad with your shoulder at 02:00 while leaning backwards punching down connections onto a Cat5 patch panel with all the floorboards up and wife and daughter elsewhere other than. It was 17 years ago but I still remember the event clearly.

I call pants smouldering.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Pickled Onion on 12 January, 2017, 12:57:10 pm
To be honest I'd be pointing any cameras outwards, once they're in, they're in.

An acquaintance was burgled a few years ago. He had footage of the yobs walking up to his front door, then, 15 minutes later, footage of them walking away from the house with their backpacks obviously fuller. The police refused to do anything with this because "there is no proof they entered the house".
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Kim on 12 January, 2017, 01:44:37 pm
The main benefit of having a house alarm is at night, you don't have to lie there listening to odd creaks and bumps and wondering if there's an intruder - the alarm tells you there is not, very good for the peace of mind.

This.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 January, 2017, 02:24:32 pm
A friend in Poland had a simple motion-activated webcam thing pointed at the inside of the front door (no back door, fourth-floor flat, so no other access points) and sending images to his email. Didn't stop them getting burgled but caught the burglar and recovered their stuff. Whether your local police and courts would work in the same way I can't say.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: rafletcher on 12 January, 2017, 02:54:28 pm
To be honest I'd be pointing any cameras outwards, once they're in, they're in.

An acquaintance was burgled a few years ago. He had footage of the yobs walking up to his front door, then, 15 minutes later, footage of them walking away from the house with their backpacks obviously fuller. The police refused to do anything with this because "there is no proof they entered the house".

Yep, tho to be fair to them that's all the defense brief would argue - and get away with, so CPS wouldn't authorise the charge anyway. A lad was found carrying stuff from my wife's stolen car. He was done for possession of stolen property, but they didn't even attempt to charge him for the car theft.
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: spesh on 12 January, 2017, 11:39:42 pm
Moats, sharks and landmines Tactical nuclear strike from orbit, only way to be sure.

 ;)
Title: Re: home insecurity
Post by: Canardly on 12 January, 2017, 11:46:23 pm
Make sure that the darker recesses of the house have appropriate led floods with PIRs. Keep the hedges at a sensible level for not hiding scrotes. Dont leave keys in doors or .... teach your granny to suck eggs.  ::-)
Title: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Tigerrr on 16 March, 2017, 01:12:03 pm
Having trouble locally with scooter-gangs of thieves. Nicked my scooter last night from right by the front door - I recovered it this morning from outside their place on the local estate. I fear that means we are now a target.  Years ago a previous generation of this gang used to burgle the area at their pleasure and I am expecting a return to form.

Last time it ended when Horace the dog chased one of them down the garden and only just failed to bite his bollocks off as he scrambled over the fence - they left us alone after that. 

Bosun the new dog slept right through last night, having exhausted himself yelling at postmen etc all day. Didn't stop him having a poke at the plod though. Useless.

I am thinking of a cctv/lights system and wondered if anyone has experience or advice. Lots out there and I don't understand them.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: hellymedic on 16 March, 2017, 01:41:28 pm
See also https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=101265.msg2122296#msg2122296 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=101265.msg2122296#msg2122296)
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Dibdib on 16 March, 2017, 01:44:02 pm
I'm obviously not condoning such behaviour but an old friend with a rare motorcycle was looking into a trip wire for his garage door, connected to a striking pin and a shotgun blank.

obviously it won't stop the miscreants nicking your stuff, but at least you'll have a brown trail to follow...
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: caerau on 16 March, 2017, 01:50:10 pm
I'm obviously not condoning such behaviour but an old friend with a rare motorcycle was looking into a trip wire for his garage door, connected to a striking pin and a shotgun blank.

obviously it won't stop the miscreants nicking your stuff, but at least you'll have a brown trail to follow...


Nice thoughts, and I had similar thoughts the year I moved to Birmingham and we we got burgled 3 times.


Doing that thobut will see you in jail - that's a very serious offence.  Even barbed wire usage is dodgy if not done right.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Aunt Maud on 16 March, 2017, 02:25:58 pm
Just don't forget you booby trapped it.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Dibdib on 16 March, 2017, 03:33:42 pm
I'm obviously not condoning such behaviour but an old friend with a rare motorcycle was looking into a trip wire for his garage door, connected to a striking pin and a shotgun blank.

obviously it won't stop the miscreants nicking your stuff, but at least you'll have a brown trail to follow...


Nice thoughts, and I had similar thoughts the year I moved to Birmingham and we we got burgled 3 times.


Doing that thobut will see you in jail - that's a very serious offence.  Even barbed wire usage is dodgy if not done right.

'Elf an' safety gorn mad.  8)  obviously actual firearms, blank or otherwise, are right out but I'm wondering whether some other form of (safe, legal) flashbang/smoke source would have the desired effect of scaring potential intruders away.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: woollypigs on 16 March, 2017, 03:44:35 pm
Yeah I wonder if a big noisy alarm - playing some death metal or hard core techno -  with a heavy duty smoke cannon and some blinking lights. At least you can say "oops I forgot I had left my sound system hooked up to that switch, it was a mad night at last weekends party".
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Kim on 16 March, 2017, 03:53:37 pm
'Elf an' safety gorn mad.  8)  obviously actual firearms, blank or otherwise, are right out but I'm wondering whether some other form of (safe, legal) flashbang/smoke source would have the desired effect of scaring potential intruders away.

I'm fairly sure that[1] devices to rapidly flood the room with smoke are an off-the-shelf security product.  Presumably they're high output glycol foggers, rather than pyrotechnics.


[1] Read: Informed by people who've set them off accidentally.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: caerau on 16 March, 2017, 05:18:05 pm
Yeah I wonder if a big noisy alarm - playing some death metal or hard core techno -  with a heavy duty smoke cannon and some blinking lights. At least you can say "oops I forgot I had left my sound system hooked up to that switch, it was a mad night at last weekends party".


You think standard burglar alarms are not loud enough?
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Kim on 16 March, 2017, 05:20:31 pm
Yeah I wonder if a big noisy alarm - playing some death metal or hard core techno -  with a heavy duty smoke cannon and some blinking lights. At least you can say "oops I forgot I had left my sound system hooked up to that switch, it was a mad night at last weekends party".

You think standard burglar alarms are not loud enough?

Actually, it's not a bad idea.  A noisy party is likely to attract more attention than someone's burglar alarm going off.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: caerau on 16 March, 2017, 05:22:51 pm

I know what you mean.

Burglar alarms attract plenty when they actually go off though.  It's just that when it hasn't stopped 3 days later that's the problem.


Also I know this cos it was a pub quiz question I did once.  What's the seventh most common reason for a burglar alarm going off?


A.  A burglary. 


Might even have been lower than seventh.


Alternative systems will be of similar reliability and also just get ignored eventually.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: woollypigs on 16 March, 2017, 06:06:49 pm
Years ago I set off one, no I was not taking the telly, my boss forgot to tell me that there would be an alarm and a code to use. While calling up the boss for the code and finding a phone number to the alarm company. I was saying sorry to the person who lived above as they were arriving home. They told me, nee bother, and don't worry the police will not rock up unless three alarms on the same road was set off.

I never see any hurry if a car or house alarm go off by anyone, they mostly just moan it under their breath. And like caerau said they only call up and make noise if the alarm been going for a day or two.

Mind, like Kim said, a good old techno party will get the calls coming in to the police and the councils noise pollution team.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: caerau on 16 March, 2017, 06:12:03 pm
Well yeah, the first time maybe...
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 29 May, 2018, 11:07:51 am
Thread-o-mancy. In case anyone is still interested.

I finally bought the Netgear Arlo with three cameras. Not the most expensive, but not the cheapest. Included a week's footage storage online without subscription which was a selling point.

Setup was impressively easy. Plug in base station, connect to router, put batteries in cameras, press the sync button. While that happens create an account. Job done. There was a firmware update for base station and cameras which proceeded without the doomy overtones of most firmware updates. Position cameras. Took about fifteen minutes from unboxing. Manufacturers of computer gadgets take note.

Only real issue is the base station requires wired internet (wireless would have been far better) which limits placement. As the Asbestos Palace is made out of real bricks and solid walls rather than modern timber and plasterboard, that requires the base station in the middle of the hallway floor to communicate with the cameras as currently placed. I'll probably get another power line adapter so it can be located somewhere more sensibly. Not tested the motion detectors on the cats yet, there's a sensitivity setting. It's wireless, but the batteries are claimed to last several months, which is good, because they're not cheap batteries.

All-in-all, quite impressed. I may buy a couple of additional cameras to cover the garage and driveway. They won't stop a burglary obviously and I don't actually have any faith in the police, but as a somewhat OCD worrier and frequent traveller, it's nice just to check the house is there.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: De Sisti on 29 May, 2018, 12:18:33 pm
I finally bought the Netgear Arlo with three cameras.


Would you mind telling us how much that all came to?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 29 May, 2018, 12:43:11 pm
£299.99 from everyone's favourite tax-dodging online megacorp. It's the basic model with 720p cameras, motion detection and night vision. There are improved models (pro and pro 2) which feature 1080p, audio (microphone and speaker), siren, rechargeable cameras and off-line storage. Pushes the price up a fair amount, depends on your needs. For interior use, 720p is adequate quality, you'll easily discern faces. I'm not convinced about sirens etc or the value of hearing someone burgle my house. I suppose you could creep them out with a softly spoken 'I can see you, yes you...' though I suspect they'd then steal the camera too.

For outdoor use and seeing someone at the end of the drive/garden, I'd be tempted by 1080p. Note for the non-rechargeable cameras, batteries are around £22 a pop (leastways for the official version, they'd the half-size AAish lithium ones). There are rechargeable and other options at a price. You can add cameras (so you can mix the basic and more advanced cameras) to the base station (there's a limit depending on base station).

Software is simple. You can arm and disarm online, set up geofencing, scheduling etc. Custom modes mean you can set for instance, the downstairs cameras to arm while you sleep and have everything come on when you leave the house etc, and there's a live view. Like I say, I'm not tested to see if the cat sets them off, our old place had a PIR system that was always triggered by the cats no matter how much we fiddled. In this case, if they do trigger, it'll just mean we have lots of footage of the cats wandering the house and a large battery bill, but hopefully we can tweak the settings to cat-proof. It claims to work with Alexa, IFthingy and whatever home control systems. There are online storage subscription packages beyond the basic free one-week service.

Tbh, I might have bought the pro version if I'd known how simple and effective it was, but the basic system is quite acceptable. The alarm at our old place, for comparison, cost about £5k and about £20/month for the basic call monitoring package, and we had to turn it off because it never completely avoid cat-based false alarms, so we could only use while on holiday as the cats were incarcerated.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: rusky on 29 May, 2018, 01:44:12 pm
 For anyone interested in the night vision of the arlo cams...
https://arlo.netgear.com/hmsweb/users/library/share/link/FB58131D520B8478_201805

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Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: nobby on 02 June, 2018, 04:38:33 pm
Ive had Ring video doorbell and garden floods and video for the last month.
It seems to work and the video quality is good but isn't recording in the house, of course. I have two elderly cocker spaniels but I can't think they'd do much if somebody got in.

I've had occasion in recent times to be disappointed with luke warm police responses, as others have mentioned - drivers using a road restricted to buses, taxis and cyclists - and an email mentioning the local newspaper to the chief constable and the police and crime commissioner brought about a much better response.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: frankly frankie on 04 June, 2018, 05:01:53 pm
I have an IP camera to cover the back door (which was trashed, though held firm, last January when the house was empty for a couple of weeks).  It records locally to an onboard mSD plus remotely to an FTP server, but while the house is empty I like to switch the router off so it will still just record locally.  Although it uses a motion sensor the IR LEDs remain on all night, glowing visibly red - I'm undecided whether this red glow is a deterrent or a provocation, but I'm inclined to think the latter.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 04 June, 2018, 06:45:36 pm
I did remember to shut it off. On the plane. Anyway, I now have 103 videos of our cleaner. A good job I was wearing clothes she breezily remarks. That being something I never, ever wanted to contemplate. I summarily deleted all the videos just in case.

That said, it was quite nice to peek at the house while I was away and make sure everything was where it was supposed to be rather than have that moment of trepidation when the taxi pulls up. It would be quite easy for a burglary to go unnoticed until we arrive back. I've just bought another two so I can observe the garage and driveway. I think I will stop there and the other resident of the Asbestos Palace is shaking her head and muttering about 'boys and their toys.' She doesn't see my vital security project in the same light.

(As an FYI, the night vision is fine, but like all IR it reflects off glass, so it's a wash-out for instance in the porch or otherwise behind glass.)
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Cunobelin on 05 June, 2018, 11:27:11 am
You may not be the only one peeking though!!!!!

There are significant security issues with these systems, especially if you do not change the default settings and passwords.

One Russian "peeping Tom" website had accesss to over 73,000 cameras including 2,500 in the UK - all streaming the content without the owners knowledge or consent

Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 05 June, 2018, 11:51:55 am
Indeed, if Russians want to see me in my pants, they can pay like everyone else.

Actually, for the record, I mostly put on clothes before going downstairs. Or outside, for that matter. Nor do the cameras point at anything especially interesting, the contents of my porch or my backdoor (the house backdoor, before you get excited). I suppose the main security risk would be figuring out when it's armed or not and thusly whether we're in or out. I'm sure most burglaries are on spec though, it'd be an unnecessary hassle to fly over from Omsk to nick a TV.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 05 June, 2018, 01:04:13 pm
For those interested in my dull boy's project digressions about security cameras, they do seem to be cat proof on the default motion detection settings (something I fiddled with for ages on the old system and never successfully managed). Either that or the cats didn't move all night (which is possible, they're good at sleeping) or they slinked under the detector à la mission impossible. Anyway, nothing triggered while I slept, so I didn't need to reach for the guns knives electronic toothbrush.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Ham on 13 August, 2018, 09:19:25 pm
Well, having just had the wing mirror cover on my car stolen in broad daylight I've decided to take the plunge. After considering the options, I'm going for hardwired cameras with Sony Starvis sensor, and a hard disk recorder. One camera high, one at eye level.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 14 August, 2018, 09:05:19 am
Still very happy with Arlo. It just seems to work. Had 'our man' (who isn't me) place two outside to look at the rear of the house and the driveway. The one at rear of the house films a lot of cats and foxes, one confused looking badger, and some scary insects that must be able to see the infrared light. Or they know we're looking.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Ham on 14 August, 2018, 04:28:49 pm
Still very happy with Arlo. It just seems to work. Had 'our man' (who isn't me) place two outside to look at the rear of the house and the driveway. The one at rear of the house films a lot of cats and foxes, one confused looking badger, and some scary insects that must be able to see the infrared light. Or they know we're looking.

Without wishing to sound snotty, I suspect it really depends on what you are expecting it to do. There's little doubt in mind that the better the quality of image, the better the chances of recovering actual useful information from it. Upthread I think you indicated that you have the Arlo, not Arlo Pro which appears to be 720p, which equates to less than 1 megapixel image. And that's on a wide angle lens. Even the Pro  is only 1080p or about 2 Megapixel. That does, of course, make it possible to install them wirelessly, anything with better resolution is going to start struggling, especially when you add cameras. The cameras I've chosen are 5mp, which gives them a better starting point, and are cabled so no wireless issues. Then they have the Sony Starvis chip which is astonishingly better in low light. Recorder (4 channel) has 2Tb which with the two cameras I've started with should be able to record about 3-4 weeks of 24 x 7.

The whole outfit was about £400, which isn't that bad compared to the nearest Arlo. It will need more installation, obviously.

Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: Adam on 14 August, 2018, 05:15:02 pm
I have an IP camera to cover the back door (which was trashed, though held firm, last January when the house was empty for a couple of weeks).  It records locally to an onboard mSD plus remotely to an FTP server, but while the house is empty I like to switch the router off so it will still just record locally.  Although it uses a motion sensor the IR LEDs remain on all night, glowing visibly red - I'm undecided whether this red glow is a deterrent or a provocation, but I'm inclined to think the latter.

I've had CCTV for years.  All the neighbours have alarm systems though, as a few have been burgled.  Once in a blue moon I've checked through the images from when the recording has been triggered, and once spotted someone in the early hours wandering across the road, first trying a neighbour's door and then moving onto my drive by stepping over a low fence.  As he glanced up and spotted the red glow from one of the cameras, he then walked back across the road and got in a car & drove off.  The local PCSO recognised the person when I reported it to the police, so definitely a useful deterrent for that instance.
Title: Re: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: frankly frankie on 14 August, 2018, 05:19:21 pm
Yes I've come down on the side of 'deterrent' as well.

The main problem with the IP camera I've got is that the software is just awful, and although there are 3rd-party software options that are compatible, they are pretty awful too.  This makes browsing the clips and images a real pain (when triggered it records a 20-second clip plus 2 stills - that's all configurable).  That wouldn't be so bad but the motion sensor (set to 'medium' sensitivity) is easily triggered by moths and even falling rain (another 'feature' is that the front portal of the camera is irresistable to spiders, more often than not the picture is of a spider silhouette, ghastly big, centre screen).

Well, it mostly gets used for badger-watching anyway - but finding the one badger clip among 200 moth clips and 20 cat clips and 5 fox clips is a bit dreary, fortunately these creatures all work to a faily well-defined schedule, badgers being 'round about midnight.
Title: Home security cameras etc.
Post by: ian on 14 August, 2018, 05:36:59 pm
I can only say the Arlo 720p images are clear and faces easily discernible (I recognise you Mothman!). But yes, if you want to see what's happening 15 meters away, then no. Or rather you're going to need the infinite zoom capabilities of movieOS. I can only comment that I'm happy – they were easy to set up, I didn't want to mess around with cabling, and work reliably as intended and the online storage is a considerable bonus (I've no real need to mess with local storage). Of course, I'm hoping they stick to filming the local non-human wildlife. We've never had any problems anyway (the main local crime seems to be theft of delivery packages left on doorsteps), so they are mostly deterrent, there's now clearly a camera pointed down the driveway. That and occasional reassurance on our travels that the house is indeed still standing and intact. I am under little illusion that Surrey police would catch a burglar if I suppled 4K professionally lit footage, the scrote-in-questions's home address, and a complete DNA sequence.