Author Topic: Problems with e assisy  (Read 1243 times)

jane

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Problems with e assisy
« on: 05 May, 2018, 09:47:26 am »
Lewisham Cyclists have an e  assist Bakfiets trike. It was and adapted e assist. it seems to have stopped transferring power on the left side.  If you go round in a clockwise circle it will power fine. Does this mean we only need to check connections on the left side hub? Or is there something else I should know about how these things work?

Torslanda

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Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #1 on: 05 May, 2018, 10:09:07 am »
Left hand lock works, right hand down and it's just a very heavy bike, yes? I'd be inclined to suspect a part of the wiring loom that moves, from that description.

Look for sharp bends in the wiring around the steering head, abrasion of the insulation, possibly on the headset cups, any bare wire that may be shorting out, that kind of thing...
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jane

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Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #2 on: 11 May, 2018, 07:03:35 am »
One wire damaged somehow right where it enters axle. Seems to feed through axle and connect somewhere inside. We can’t seem to remove axle. Can’t find anywhere online that shows the workings of these hubs either.  It’s an older system which they don’t use anymore. So at the moment, we can ride round in circles! Quite fun on the family rides. But not too useful!

Kim

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Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #3 on: 11 May, 2018, 02:27:10 pm »
The general theme is a bit like a dynamo hub, but bigger and more electrically complicated: the middle of the hub contains a ring of coils (and probably also some electronics) which are stationary, fixed to the axle.  The shell has a ring of magnets which move past the coils.  (There may be additional mechanical complexity, if the motor is geared rather than direct-drive.)  Cables enter through the hollow axle, emerge from a hole in the middle and connect to the electrickery on the stationary bit.

Depending on how the system operates, the cable may be carrying DC voles straight from the battery and some control signal to tell the hub what to do; three-phase power to the coils from an external motor controller; or three-phase power to the coils plus a Hall-sensor signal to tell the controller what position the magnets are in at any given time.  As you can imagine, breaking most of these connections will stop the hub working properly, but shorting some of them out will have the added fun feature of blowing fuses and/or releasing the magic smoke from important semiconductors, leaving extra faults in either the hub or external controller to diagnose beyond the original cable damage.

Replacing the wiring will be a case of opening the hub, disconnecting the existing cable and re-making the connections (may be soldered, may be some wire-to-board connector you may or may not be able to identify when you get a look at it) with a new one.  If there's a proprietary connector on the end that dangles free from the axle, you have to track that down, too, or bodge in a suitable alternative.  And reassemble it in a waterproof way.

jane

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Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #4 on: 12 May, 2018, 06:39:22 am »
Thanks Kim.  Not sure what we’re going to do about it. We can’t seem to find anyone else around to service it, so looks like we are going to have to try ourselves. Can’t find a replacement one as the company doesn’t use this exact system any more and 180W 240v hub motors are proving hard to find. So if anyone knows where we can find one that would be great.

Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #5 on: 12 May, 2018, 07:57:06 am »
Try asking over at www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum
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jane

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Re: Problems with e assisy
« Reply #6 on: 12 May, 2018, 07:47:12 pm »
We’ve found somewhere in Cambridge that will do it. Reasonable price too. The wonderful carryme.org gave us the contact. They are the people we got the trike from. But the pedelecs forum was a good link. And Kim’s description confirmed my opinion that we were probably better off leaving it to experts!  Thanks YACF’ers!