Post by: hellymedic on 04 August, 2008, 12:31:54 pm
I didn't know there was an LEL run in 2007 though...
Post by: Greenbank on 04 August, 2008, 12:35:42 pm
The day I'm at home feeling like crap and all I get is a letter from HMRC.
Post by: nightrider on 04 August, 2008, 06:05:05 pm
Post by: Captain Zep on 04 August, 2008, 10:03:05 pm
RJMcB
Post by: Chris S on 04 August, 2008, 10:04:55 pm
Edit: On second thoughts, I really don't like how that sounds...
Post by: Tim Hall on 04 August, 2008, 10:29:24 pm
Post by: Noodley on 04 August, 2008, 10:32:11 pm
I feel like I'm a real member of the AUK community this week - I took 40 winks in a shop doorway on a ride this weekend and my photo is on page 43 of Arrivee :thumbsup:
RJMcB
I make my Arrivee photo debut :-X
But no doorways as yet....well not for sleeping in anyway - I'll have to be a bit more careful when 'making use' of doorways in future :sick: ;D
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on 04 August, 2008, 10:34:42 pm
Spotted the first rider mis-ID on the second photo in the mag; "Peter Finch" is in fact my old boss Geoff
Not sure what the El Supremo letter is about (and I don't have the luxury of being able to turn away EOL's on my event)
Don't forget to keep your AUK dinner booking form (typical; I'd just sent an entry form to Pam about 10mins before it hit the doormat)
I spotted that too, Geoff Ericsson rides a lot of my events.
The other unidentified rider on my Invicta 400 is Brian Matkins
Post by: MercuryKev on 04 August, 2008, 11:21:52 pm
I'm sad though, cos i'm not in it - last issue I managed 2 pics :(
Post by: frere yacker on 05 August, 2008, 08:01:32 am
Post by: Rob on 05 August, 2008, 08:10:01 am
Post by: IanDG on 05 August, 2008, 08:15:13 am
This isn't fair. I'm not back at home until tomorrow night.
ditto (1am Thursday morning)
Post by: The Mechanic on 05 August, 2008, 08:32:07 am
Probably due to the fact that I am so far back that the photo fiends have long gone home by the time I get there.
Post by: Dinamo on 05 August, 2008, 09:02:15 am
The Summer issue of Arrivée plopped onto my doormat this morning.
.....with the Gas bill !!!
Post by: frere yacker on 05 August, 2008, 09:11:15 am
Miffed! :( Two rides mentioned in which I participated and not a pic of me in sight
Probably due to the fact that I am so far back that the photo fiends have long gone home by the time I get there.
Maybe your not the right image for the magazine? Are you younger than 30, cleanly shaven and kitted out in the most fashionable cycling attire? If so, you probably got red penned :P
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 August, 2008, 09:49:19 am
Post by: Julian on 05 August, 2008, 09:50:39 am
:-\
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2008, 09:59:11 am
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?
:-\
Doubt it.
The author's a pretty decent bloke, and I think he's just being careful to distance himself and his clubmates from some of the things said in that PBP article in the last issue.
I can see where he's coming from, but of course it does draw further attention to it...
Post by: Julian on 05 August, 2008, 10:04:28 am
I understand the frustration some riders felt with others having a full-on race support vehicle stopping at every control, but the author (decent bloke or not) thought any support was not only wanton cheating but that riders should have gone out of their way to make supporters' lives difficult. Shades of Sophie Days and her Thousand Mile Shorts!1 :o
1Presumably like Hundred Year Eggs but smellier.
Post by: The Mechanic on 05 August, 2008, 10:28:52 am
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Maybe your not the right image for the magazine? Are you younger than 30, cleanly shaven and kitted out in the most fashionable cycling attire? If so, you probably got red penned
I wish! More like 50 odd, pot bellied and never shave before a ride (a la TdF)
Post by: saturn on 05 August, 2008, 10:50:30 am
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".
So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?
Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2008, 11:02:53 am
I think the intention was the former "...alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members "As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".
So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?
Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
(The section you quote was just badly worded, probably due to a very worried author.)
Anyway, there seems to be an obvious solution which wasn't mentioned:
A SEPARATE insurance scheme for non-members. Or did I miss that ... ?
Or perhaps a compulsory excess for non-members?
Maybe the one positive action we can take away is to endeavour to ... errr... "guide" our new non-member friends on future rides, so that the number of these incidents is reduced.
(Or just tell these trouble-makers to sod off - couldn't we just turn away anyone that looks a bit quick or doesn't have a route-sheet holder? Perhaps membership should require 2 nominations by SR-holders? )
Post by: Manotea on 05 August, 2008, 11:19:46 am
A bit of both surely, though the article does say its mostly a temporary member/BP phenomena. Hopefully regular/experienced riders will be more on the ball, er, bike. An extremely useful piece of communication, I thought.As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".
So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?
Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
For most cyclists, Audax is only a fraction of their mileage. Regular riders should look for insurance to cover all their riding, which for most of us means joining the CTC.
Post by: nuttycyclist on 05 August, 2008, 11:28:47 am
Post by: bikenerd on 05 August, 2008, 12:20:16 pm
Joining fee with a refund if not into it after one ride? Too much admin?
* To me, obviously. But even then, it's only a fraction of the amount of money most people spend on a bike. Or down the pub.
Post by: hellymedic on 05 August, 2008, 12:29:20 pm
Such riders would be the same risk as the temp members and would sponge off the organisers' efforts and resources.
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 05 August, 2008, 01:22:35 pm
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2008, 01:58:04 pm
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 05 August, 2008, 02:10:02 pm
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
Maybe I should submit a series of Teethgrinder length articles for the next issue ;D
Post by: Polar Bear on 05 August, 2008, 02:20:56 pm
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members? The £15 joining fee isn't exactly expensive*. I understand that a counter argument would be that you don't want to discourage new members by not allowing them a taster before they join.
Joining fee with a refund if not into it after one ride? Too much admin?
* To me, obviously. But even then, it's only a fraction of the amount of money most people spend on a bike. Or down the pub.
Depends upon individual circumstances. A bling bike may be a legacy, a last big purchase before retirement / redundancy, etc.
Post by: Greenbank on 05 August, 2008, 02:53:56 pm
12 members, 15 non members
25 members, 20 non members
10 members, 5 non members
0 members, 15 non members
8 members, 51 non members
10 members, 15 non members
31 members, 32 non members
Post by: saturn on 05 August, 2008, 03:02:40 pm
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members?
Looking at the results, many events have a significant proportion of entrants made up of non-members so the effect might be that these events are no longer viable. I don't think it's realistic to expect all entrants to be members. Audaxes that are organised by a local club often attract a large number of club members who would never otherwise ride an audax but who turn out to support the club's event.
We must also retain try before you buy option. I entered my first audax as a non-member and at the time I didn't have a clue what to expect and for all I knew it could have been the only audax I ever entered. Of course, on completing the event I thought "hell I enjoyed that - I must join" but I didn't know that in advance and if joining was a prerequisite I may not have given it a try.
If insurance is withdrawn (whether for non-members or all) I wonder whether we'd have to insist that all entrants must have their own cover. If we didn't, is it possible that claims against organisers might result from running an event with uninsured cyclists, who cannot be identified (by a number) and in any case who may not be traceable (EOLs - no proof of address)?
Post by: vorsprung on 05 August, 2008, 04:50:08 pm
Firstly, it is not possible to run events etc without insurance
Secondly, there is a common belief that any claim vs insurance is perfectly ok provided you can "get away with it".
Thirdly, the insurance companies are becoming more risk adverse so anything that does claim will be removed from the list of insurable things
Therefore, shortly we won't be able to run any events. Just because of the twonkish nature of the way these things are.
Insurance should be a cushion against very very unlikely events that any sane person would mitigate against. Not some kind of unlucky lottery.
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2008, 05:01:34 pm
So maybe AUK could use the same arrangement to cover non-members (probably increasing the non-members supplement), thus keeping our members-only cover affordable.
The whole insurance thing is just an example of how our society is being crippled by the selfish+1
Firstly, it is not possible to run events etc without insuranceWhen _I_ run the country, the government will provide some sort of backup cover for extreme compensation claims made against organisers of health-promoting events. Thus the insurance will remain affordable to organisers.
<snip>
Therefore, shortly we won't be able to run any events. Just because of the twonkish nature of the way these things are.
Post by: alexb on 05 August, 2008, 06:05:18 pm
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?
:-\
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
The plot twists there would rival sunset beach!
I have a sort of sympathy for the PBP egos thing as the entry to some controls (don't forget I bailed, so can only comment on the early ones) was pretty clogged with motorhomes parked up all along the streets. However, I found the controls well-organised and the people lovely, but then I speak pretty good French, so there were no communication problems at all.
Post by: frankly frankie on 05 August, 2008, 06:07:07 pm
If insurance is withdrawn (whether for non-members or all) I wonder whether we'd have to insist that all entrants must have their own cover.
There's no way an Organiser can be expected to make an assessment of how valid (or not) each entrant's insurance might be.
So you end up relying on signing it off (as is done at present - I have relevant insurance cover as above or I enclose the £2.00 temporary membership fee. ) but is that sort of disclaimer really strong enough if push comes to shove? Personally I doubt it.
Post by: teethgrinder on 05 August, 2008, 06:29:37 pm
I managed to get two articles published... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
Maybe I should submit a series of Teethgrinder length articles for the next issue ;D
Bloody show off!
They never put my article in this time.
I'll send in another one.
That'll teach 'em.
Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
Post by: Greenbank on 05 August, 2008, 06:41:56 pm
Post by: frere yacker on 05 August, 2008, 06:44:08 pm
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Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
With fewer "new to audax" articles? n00bs with inner tubes ::-)
Post by: teethgrinder on 05 August, 2008, 07:24:40 pm
QuoteTim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
With fewer "new to audax" articles? n00bs with inner tubes ::-)
They can only publish what they are sent.
Post by: RogerT on 05 August, 2008, 07:40:34 pm
Post by: valkyrie on 05 August, 2008, 07:52:56 pm
If people are making spurious claims against the AUK policy, surely the insurance company just (correctly) rejects them? I've never come across an insurance company that pays out when it doesn't have to. I can't see an obvious correlation between organisers reporting "incidents" and valid 3rd party claims on AUK's insurance.
Post by: PatC on 05 August, 2008, 07:55:26 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 05 August, 2008, 07:59:30 pm
Post by: frere yacker on 05 August, 2008, 08:00:20 pm
I didn't really understand the insurance issue :-[.
If people are making spurious claims against the AUK policy, surely the insurance company just (correctly) rejects them? I've never come across an insurance company that pays out when it doesn't have to. I can't see an obvious correlation between organisers reporting "incidents" and valid 3rd party claims on AUK's insurance.
Increased claims (even failed ones) can be taken by underwriters as indicating increased risk. Increased risk means increased premiums or in extreme cases withdrawal of insurance.
A similar thing happened in professional indemnity insurance.
Post by: Martin on 05 August, 2008, 09:35:45 pm
(Alex G; those figures of non-members don't take into account CTC/BC riders who are insured although may not be members; IMX they greatly outnumber those who pay the £2).
Post by: andrew_s on 05 August, 2008, 11:28:01 pm
I don't think the claims are really spurious. 'Where there's blame, there's a claim' is the sort of attitude that many now have, and less experienced riders seem both much more likely to be involved in a crash and to make a claim.
I'd guess that most of the problem claims are due to touching wheels in a group or similar, so the best thing would probably be to remove all cycling equipment and clothing from what's covered.
That would leave the insurance covering claims for physical injury or for damage to 3rd party motor vehicles or whatever, which is the sort of claim that the insurance is meant to protect you against, IMO.
Post by: duncan on 06 August, 2008, 01:00:22 am
I'd guess that most of the problem claims are due to touching wheels in a group or similar, so the best thing would probably be to remove all cycling equipment and clothing from what's covered.
That would leave the insurance covering claims for physical injury or for damage to 3rd party motor vehicles or whatever, which is the sort of claim that the insurance is meant to protect you against, IMO.
I'd be surprised if claims for such things amount to very much in the scheme of things: you can replace a lot of cycling equipment before you get to the cost of having a dent in a car repaired, and that pails into insignificance when you look at physical injury... If an insurance company is using claims relating to other bikes to push up the premium, then they are being very cheeky, IMO.
Duncan
Post by: vorsprung on 06 August, 2008, 09:02:28 am
The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
Despite it being local and the conditions being good this was my slowest ever 300. I have never seen more crappy lanes joined up into a route. There wasn't enough fast road to cover 300k in a reasonable fashion.
But from reading the article you'd think it was tea and cake and a pleasant roll round.
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2008, 10:07:14 am
Oh yeah and another thingYou clearly feel quite strongly about this ... !
The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
Quote
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to ArriveeYou could approach it as giving advice to future riders e.g.
"although a pretty ride, be aware that this ride is not fast, much slower than the climbing figure would suggest, due to a complete lack of fast roads, and lots of poor surfaces."
... or something ...
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 August, 2008, 11:15:35 am
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte. By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D
1 - the same one who did a sports psychologist number on Liz while stroking her knee in a most alarming manner.
Post by: Ian H on 06 August, 2008, 11:47:11 am
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
Knowing the writer, it was tongue in cheek, though he probably doesn't know the full...er...ramifications of the situation.
Post by: Greenbank on 06 August, 2008, 12:17:22 pm
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 06 August, 2008, 12:46:11 pm
Oh yeah and another thing
The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
Despite it being local and the conditions being good this was my slowest ever 300. I have never seen more crappy lanes joined up into a route. There wasn't enough fast road to cover 300k in a reasonable fashion.
But from reading the article you'd think it was tea and cake and a pleasant roll round.
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee
I hear this is what Gavin Greenhow's rides are like.
Anyway, the pleasantness of a ride is entirely subjective. What may be a crappy ride for some, may be heaven to someone else.
Post by: scampi on 06 August, 2008, 01:28:51 pm
I managed to get two articles published...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.
Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed :o
Post by: teethgrinder on 06 August, 2008, 06:26:59 pm
I managed to get two articles published...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.
Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed :o
OK then scampi, a special article just for you.
I went out on my bike.
It was nice.
The End....
:P ;D
Post by: Julian on 06 August, 2008, 09:45:49 pm
An' a very good article it is too. :thumbsup:
Post by: fin on 06 August, 2008, 10:25:00 pm
I make my Arrivee photo debut :-X
It took a while to find you, but Mrs Fin spotted you and commented that the road was flat and you were not off the back.
Are you mis-leading us with tales of your endeavours ? ;)
Post by: dkahn400 on 06 August, 2008, 11:20:43 pm
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte. By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D
You should've told him they were both your bitches. :)
Post by: Maladict on 07 August, 2008, 12:24:21 am
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte. By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D
1 - the same one who did a sports psychologist number on Liz while stroking her knee in a most alarming manner.
You have reminded me of Scott and my experiences at our Beverley control on the 600km perm just gone by.
I really must write the ride report, if only for the sake of recounting that rather interesting experience.
Oh, and I thought I saw a wolf man, but it turned out he had a tiger's head.
Scott has the proof.
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 07 August, 2008, 08:22:01 am
I managed to get two articles published...
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.
Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed :o
Thanks Scampi, much appreciated ;)
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 07 August, 2008, 08:24:17 am
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.
An' a very good article it is too. :thumbsup:
Which article is his?
Post by: scottlington on 07 August, 2008, 08:58:46 am
Scott has the proof.
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I do - but how do I add photos? I tried adding photos to the RR for the FP600, but all I got was the old small square with a cross in it. I presume there is a certain format and/or res that images have to be?
Post by: Julian on 07 August, 2008, 10:56:16 am
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.
An' a very good article it is too. :thumbsup:
Which article is his?
The High Easter 100.
Notable for the sentence (and I paraphrase, I don't have it to hand) "I'm pleased [Mrs Wowbagger] didn't come along, because all that rape would have finished her off." :o
Post by: frere yacker on 07 August, 2008, 12:16:47 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Post by: Chris S on 07 August, 2008, 12:28:45 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Not wishing you ill in any way for your ride - but even if it doesn't go to plan, a "successful failure" can still make a ripping good read, especially if it involves heroics - which on a 1000km is probably guaranteed ;).
Best wishes for the ride BTW.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 07 August, 2008, 12:47:33 pm
Post by: PatC on 07 August, 2008, 01:19:08 pm
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year.
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.
I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 02:15:31 pm
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.
That must explain it. There's a fair number of Antipodeans around us in SW London.
Hoping it is on my doormat when I get home this evening.
Post by: Maladict on 07 August, 2008, 02:22:01 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 07 August, 2008, 03:20:11 pm
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.
I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.
Some of the reports/comments have certainly inspired me to do some different rides, as well as comments on this very forum.
Post by: dkahn400 on 07 August, 2008, 05:32:47 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Cor! Good luck with that.
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 August, 2008, 07:11:54 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Surely, you should submit a report anyway provided it's not a DNS. We all like to read about the successful riders, but I reckon that the most memorable PBP by any (y)ACFer was that which resulted in the jobshare between Larrington D. and M. le Maire de Mortagne-au-Perche.
It was Audax UK's answer to Apollo 13.
Oh, and a great big "Ithangyew" to all those who appreciated my drivel after the High Easter 100.
Post by: teethgrinder on 07 August, 2008, 08:25:41 pm
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I liked your article too Dominic.
Next time you plan a DIY, maybe you would like me to have a look at your route before you ride it. I might know what you can get at your control towns.
And yes, that road from Barton Le Clay to Hitchin is a bit lumpy.
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 08 August, 2008, 07:01:32 am
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year.
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.
I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.
Thanks Pat. There is certainly more involved in planning a DIY ride than I had thought. I have now ridden several more such rides, so I am now getting the hang of it ;)
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 08 August, 2008, 07:07:55 am
Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c. :thumbsup:
I liked your article too Dominic.
Next time you plan a DIY, maybe you would like me to have a look at your route before you ride it. I might know what you can get at your control towns.
And yes, that road from Barton Le Clay to Hitchin is a bit lumpy.
Thanks Steve. I must say, I'm really pleased with the positive responses my article has been having, it makes the effort of writing it all the more worthwhile.
I rode the second half of the 400k this year again, as a 200k DIY. Funnily enough, it hasn't got any flatter ;)
I'll gladly bounce ideas for routes off you. The problem I run into the most in the planning stage is not finding good roads with nice views etc, but ensuring I can find somewhere to obtain the required proof of passage. Thanks for the offer :thumbsup:
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 August, 2008, 11:04:22 am
Surely, you should submit a report anyway provided it's not a DNS. We all like to read about the successful riders, but I reckon that the most memorable PBP by any (y)ACFer was that which resulted in the jobshare between Larrington D. and M. le Maire de Mortagne-au-Perche.
I very carefully edited the ride report wot I put on teh Intarwebs and had published in the BHPC's mag to make it less recumbenty, and then never got round to submitting it to Arrivée. This is because I am a nidiot :-[
Post by: Andrij on 08 August, 2008, 11:06:12 am
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.
That must explain it. There's a fair number of Antipodeans around us in SW London.
Hoping it is on my doormat when I get home this evening.
Was it?
Post by: Greenbank on 08 August, 2008, 03:04:50 pm
Was it?
Nope. I'm guessing the postman has delivered it to the flat downstairs (they should be back from holiday this weekend). Oh well.
Post by: Hummers on 10 August, 2008, 03:01:06 pm
Loads of stuff to read on the bog. :thumbsup:
H
Post by: Greenbank on 11 August, 2008, 07:59:09 pm
Yours in anticipation....
Post by: Grandad on 11 August, 2008, 09:27:04 pm
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Must have been lost in the post.
I had the same problem with the last issue and so did another member who lives just round the corner. Is this a general problem or are we just an unlucky threesome?
Post by: arabella on 11 August, 2008, 10:35:22 pm
I think I had a problem about this time last year or something.
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2008, 12:35:10 pm
Who do I need to contact (it's Mike Wigley if I remember correctly...)?
Post by: arabella on 19 August, 2008, 10:48:00 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2008, 11:41:51 pm
Post by: arabella on 20 August, 2008, 10:36:35 am
Post by: Greenbank on 31 August, 2008, 08:02:38 pm
Anything?
Post by: Chris S on 31 August, 2008, 08:19:38 pm
*bump*
Anything?
Finished mine. You wannit?
PM me an address if Yes.
Post by: arabella on 31 August, 2008, 08:29:25 pm
*bump*sorry, yes, will pm you the email
Anything?
Post by: Greenbank on 01 September, 2008, 01:20:03 pm
Finished mine. You wannit?
Thanks for the offer but they're popping another one in the post to me.
I now expect the original one from the printers to be delivered on the same day.
Post by: Greenbank on 04 September, 2008, 07:47:13 pm
(Wow's write up contains the text "and we all arrived back exactly ** hours after we left.")
Post by: LEE on 04 September, 2008, 09:26:19 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 12:42:14 pm
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
Post by: DanialW on 17 August, 2009, 12:46:14 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 12:51:13 pm
Has to be some advantage living in that Londonton place...
Post by: Salvatore on 17 August, 2009, 01:19:17 pm
38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.
Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 01:27:21 pm
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:
38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.
Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
Oh dear! Thanks for the correction.
Hanging on to getting dark...
Post by: Rob on 17 August, 2009, 01:29:34 pm
I don't think that it's entirely in the spirit of my hobby. It's not like I'm obsessed or anything.
Post by: L Hedley on 17 August, 2009, 01:49:55 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 01:55:58 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Post by: Aidan on 17 August, 2009, 01:56:06 pm
Post by: RichForrest on 17 August, 2009, 02:04:04 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
Post by: robgul on 17 August, 2009, 02:21:30 pm
The London Sightseer article looks good - saving the reading of it for this evening.
Rob
Post by: L Hedley on 17 August, 2009, 02:21:49 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
oh no, not the one of the Chairman of the council, oh, does it really say Middleton Tyas? The ratbags! It's a scarey one too!
Post by: L Hedley on 17 August, 2009, 02:22:57 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
Did Aimee and her puppies not get in there then?
Post by: LEE on 17 August, 2009, 02:30:22 pm
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
Post by: LEL on 17 August, 2009, 02:30:54 pm
Nah - we are saving that for the next issue.My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Lots, even one of you...
Saying Middleton Tyas control though :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start ;D
Did Aimee and her puppies not get in there then?
And yes, middleton tyas and coxwold should be the other way about - the photos captioned for Coxwold, should read MT and the one with the mayor is Coxwold.
Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent volunteer photos in - :D :D :D And the one of Richard Carpenters somewhat bent bike.
Post by: LEE on 17 August, 2009, 03:24:12 pm
Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent volunteer photos in - :D :D :D And the one of Richard Carpenters somewhat bent bike.
I bet he wasn't feeling on top of the world.
Post by: RichForrest on 17 August, 2009, 03:40:19 pm
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
And MSeries, also 2 pages of twitter feed from #lel. AUK is coming into the 21st century ;D
Post by: mikewigley on 17 August, 2009, 04:03:27 pm
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!
I hope so. If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then.
From past experience, there can be a big time gap between Arrivee arrivals, a mystery of the Royal Mail, so don't panic if you haven't received yours. I haven't got mine yet
Post by: frankly frankie on 17 August, 2009, 04:44:59 pm
If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then.
I think that's what they call a 'pre-emptive strike' :demon:
Excellent fast turnround by Tim, from post-LEL to doormats in record time. :thumbsup:
Post by: Salvatore on 17 August, 2009, 05:31:15 pm
Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent volunteer photos in - :D :D :D And the one of Richard Carpenters somewhat bent bike.
I bet he wasn't feeling on top of the world.
His bike didn't look too good - he didn't look much better
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/3815173678_196ec223fb_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26197863@N05/3815173678/)
but he finished on a borrowed bike.
Post by: border-rider on 17 August, 2009, 05:38:40 pm
Excellent fast turnround by Tim, from post-LEL to doormats in record time. :thumbsup:
Yes. Top work by Tim et al.
Just got back from a ride and found it in the porch :)
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 05:53:50 pm
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
And MSeries, also 2 pages of twitter feed from #lel. AUK is coming into the 21st century ;D
I loved the tweets!
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
Post by: alan on 17 August, 2009, 07:10:37 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2009, 07:23:49 pm
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
The first page inside the current Arrivée suggests you contact Mike Wigley. I believe he be of this parish.
Current issue three earth pounds
Back issues two earth pounds
Alternatively, join Audax UK or bribe a member coming to Mildenhall with CAKE...
Post by: L Hedley on 17 August, 2009, 07:26:08 pm
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!
I hope so. If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then.
From past experience, there can be a big time gap between Arrivee arrivals, a mystery of the Royal Mail, so don't panic if you haven't received yours. I haven't got mine yet
Two happy bunnies here! ;D Ours has come, only problem is, Aidam got there first and we are bickering over who is reading it and when ;)
Post by: alan on 17 August, 2009, 07:33:14 pm
Alternatively, join Audax UK or bribe a member coming to Mildenhall with CAKE...
Marj will be bringing Cake to Mildenhall.
Who within this parish can exchange a copy of the current Arivee for CAKE then?
Bribery 'n Corruption is so efficicient dontyafink :demon:
Post by: MSeries on 17 August, 2009, 09:18:04 pm
Post by: longers on 17 August, 2009, 09:18:51 pm
I haven't got mine yet
Mine arrived today, yours can't be far behind - I've only looked at the LEL pics so far - great to recognise so many people.
I saw Mr Carpenters bike after it was brought back to Thorne and it's good to know he finished on Levs bike :thumbsup:
Post by: Nuncio on 17 August, 2009, 09:21:45 pm
I loved the tweets!New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place. The price for LEL.
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
Post by: alan on 17 August, 2009, 10:25:58 pm
Not got mine yet. If you can't get one alan you can have mine
:thumbsup:
I'll bear it in mind.Thanks.
Post by: Ian H on 17 August, 2009, 10:43:55 pm
;)
Post by: Martin on 17 August, 2009, 10:44:04 pm
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
Post by: StanThomas on 17 August, 2009, 11:00:36 pm
Post by: Really Ancien on 18 August, 2009, 01:06:57 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?That's my Dad bottom right on page 64, Frank Peacock, next to Margaret Peacock, my step Mother, their 3rd LEL. To the left of that picture, the couple in the red shirts are John and Margaret Davis, long standing friends of theirs from Ribble Valley Cycle Racing Club. Above them to the left of the photograph is my ubiquitous friend Riccardo Gravina, who also appears opposite the Baltic Star rider Tatiana in the second down from the right, seated incongruously in the children's chairs at Washingborough, as evidenced by the kid's plastic lunch plates. Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold. Are we entirely sure that the picture of Spencer Klassen is not Benny Hill, on the fastest fixie in the West. Often a picture is worth a thousand words so I refer you to page 2, top right.
Damon.
Post by: Salvatore on 18 August, 2009, 07:35:14 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 18 August, 2009, 08:25:40 am
The twitter page was a fantastic idea.
And if you are going to be photographed next to Manotea, you're never going to make it into the caption!
Post by: Rob on 18 August, 2009, 08:35:44 am
I loved the tweets!New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place. The price for LEL.
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
I am taking junior away for 4 days this weekend on my own. It's not a financial price, but the current penchant for tantrums will mean me paying in a different way.
Post by: Rob on 18 August, 2009, 08:36:55 am
These LEL pictures are not from LEL - there are like 3? pictures in the rain?
It was definitely raining in the one of me.
'David Lambie' is actually Richard Berry aka Bez.
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 08:40:26 am
Post by: Salvatore on 18 August, 2009, 08:51:28 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Post by: MSeries on 18 August, 2009, 08:54:44 am
I've been using MSeries long before browser based forums such as this where inventedIt's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Post by: LEE on 18 August, 2009, 08:58:01 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Have you ever had your photo in Arrivee John?
Post by: alan on 18 August, 2009, 09:10:07 am
A C4 SAE will be in the post tonight Mr. Youknowwhoyouare.
Yet again this place demonstrates the better part of human nature.
Post by: robgul on 18 August, 2009, 09:12:49 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
... you would probably need to have met the LEL organiser to have an inkling ....
Rob
Post by: robgul on 18 August, 2009, 09:14:51 am
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice :thumbsup:
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
Agreed - I've done it 3 times - gets better each time ... last time on 1 July this year - hoping for a pass for this year on 6 Sept
Rob
Post by: Julian on 18 August, 2009, 09:16:00 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two! PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
Post by: Chris S on 18 August, 2009, 09:45:04 am
*dons shabby overcoat*
"Pssst hey - wanna buy an Arrivée? I got all kinds. I even got February 2004...yeah, I know - though that will be more..."
Post by: alan on 18 August, 2009, 10:15:19 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two! PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
Thanks Liz for your kind offer but as you may see upthread I have accepted an earlier offer.It would be rude to now decline it.
Post by: Julian on 18 August, 2009, 10:20:43 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two! PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
Thanks Liz for your kind offer but as you may see upthread I have accepted an earlier offer.It would be rude to now decline it.
*goes back and reads thread*
Oh yes. Fab. Sorry, I should have read the rest of the thread before posting!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 18 August, 2009, 10:25:04 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience
the experienced controller at MT resigned citing inadequate funds - other controllers seem to be unhappy at the level of funding
and a few lines later
the organiser declines to provide any more than the flimsiest budgetary detail to the Board
Post by: Really Ancien on 18 August, 2009, 10:29:29 am
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, the rainstorm on the way back and the Munchkin chairs have displaced Tommy's kind ministrations from my recollection.Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
How's the Italian coming on? From now on you'll always be 'Il Salvatore' to me.
Damon.
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 10:30:32 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience
I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals. Not that anyone is, just saying...
The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
Post by: frankly frankie on 18 August, 2009, 10:32:09 am
I haven't got mine yetTry changing your name to Agley - that should do it.
According to page 21, you're a figure of speech. (However the author appears to be on some sort of 'interesting' medication.)It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...
Ooh, you are so analogue!
(Compare the digital file sizes, and I think a picture is often worth many times that.)
Post by: MSeries on 18 August, 2009, 10:35:32 am
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
Post by: Really Ancien on 18 August, 2009, 10:46:53 am
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
When you're filming you have to channel for other rider's expectations. I'd have stopped to film the look of horror on people's faces on that nasty little pull, if I hadn't already got similar footage in the can at Crayke, where the looks of disbelief in being sent up the only steep hill visible for 20 miles in any direction spoke volumes. I got a picture of an overgeared French lad tacking up that one, I later had to interpret for him as he received massage for the inflamed tendons in the front of his knee at Coxwold.
Damon.
Post by: MSeries on 18 August, 2009, 10:51:25 am
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
looks of disbelief in being sent up the only steep hill visible for 20 miles in any direction spoke volumes. I got a picture of an overgeared French lad tacking up that one, I later had to interpret for him as he received massage for the inflamed tendons in the front of his knee at Coxwold.
Sheila and I briefly discussed that hill and whether or not I should include it or route around it.
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2009, 11:02:01 am
I think that report was an attempt at purely factual meeting minutes. I can imagine it's hard to 'minute' a discussion without any hard facts, so RP just did his best.Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience
I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals. Not that anyone is, just saying...
The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
It came across oddly in the context of a club mag, but if you read it as an 'official' document and record of events, it seems less odd. I know nothing about the meeting, I'm just describing how I read that report.
But as MV says, there are better places to discuss the contents of the meeting itself.
Post by: StanThomas on 18 August, 2009, 12:21:10 pm
...
I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals. Not that anyone is, just saying...
The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
The criticism is already out there. But I was looking for some explanation.
The "future of LEL" thread talks about Melita Luxton being 'appointed' to run LEL and LEL as AUK's 'flagship' event. On the other hand LEL seems to be run on much the same basis as other calendar events, i.e. the organiser is autonomous within the AUK franchise. In the later case, if the organiser brings in her own people, keeps her own accounts and runs a successful event, it's not really appropriate to publish criticism in the official AUK organ. No matter that said organiser has apparently upset some club stalwarts.
So, is this simply a clash of personalities based on a misunderstanding of the organiser's place in the LEL scheme? Or is someone out of order?
Post by: Salvatore on 18 August, 2009, 01:17:50 pm
How's the Italian coming on? From now on you'll always be 'Il Salvatore' to me.
Damon.
You must have been reading audaxitalia.it (http://www.audaxitalia.com/randonee_piazza/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=599#p6199)
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2009, 01:23:00 pm
...
So, is this simply a clash of personalities based on a misunderstanding of the organiser's place in the LEL scheme? Or is someone out of order?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2009, 01:25:24 pm
I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)
Are editorial standards slipping?!?
Post by: StanThomas on 18 August, 2009, 01:26:46 pm
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
I think you need to elaborate.
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 01:30:13 pm
The criticism is already out there.
and "out there" it should stay.
Quote
But I was looking for some explanation.
Fair enough. Go to the Audax UK AGM, or raise it on their email list
I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this.
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 18 August, 2009, 01:31:03 pm
Less happy pictures show that the plagurised route "Traverse Rhondda" gets more riders than the original "Across Rhondda"
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 01:31:28 pm
Talking of photos ...
I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)
Are editorial standards slipping?!?
Yes, I'd spotted that too. Nice shot of the Lambourn Valley at Eastbury/East Garston (can't remember now) though :)
Post by: hellymedic on 18 August, 2009, 01:33:07 pm
Talking of photos ...
I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)
Are editorial standards slipping?!?
Probably. ;) ;) ;D
I was asked to proof-read several articles and obliged...
Post by: StanThomas on 18 August, 2009, 04:46:10 pm
...
I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this.
Why not? On this forum it seems acceptable to accuse Lance Armstrong of being a drugs cheat and a retailer (or their staff) of some involvement in credit card fraud. But if you enquire about the circumstances of a published criticism of an event organiser by an AUK official then you're a child molester or wife beater?
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2009, 04:57:28 pm
...
I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this.
Why not? On this forum it seems acceptable to accuse Lance Armstrong of being a drugs cheat and a retailer (or their staff) of some involvement in credit card fraud. But if you enquire about the circumstances of a published criticism of an event organiser by an AUK official then you're a child molester or wife beater?
Two Wrongs don't make a Right.
[sorry, I seem to have slipped into proverbs mode today]
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 04:59:10 pm
Rather disconcerting as I was trying to send him a PM at the time.
Post by: Julian on 18 August, 2009, 07:29:07 pm
Not everyone is familiar with the logical fallacy of a loaded question, and may wrongly interpret a question about beating your wife as an actual allegation of wife beating...
Post by: Von Broad on 18 August, 2009, 08:49:55 pm
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:
38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.
Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
I don't think it makes a busting lot of difference really does it John?
The avg temp of 'oven hot' doesn't change from one page to the next does it?
;D
Post by: Noodley on 18 August, 2009, 09:04:00 pm
Post by: Martin on 18 August, 2009, 09:11:29 pm
Post by: rogerzilla on 18 August, 2009, 09:41:35 pm
Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)
Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating. Or even drinking Stella Artois.
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2009, 09:48:51 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2009, 10:03:50 pm
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secritbunkerforum somewhere do they?
Nothing more than the Yahoo! Audax Group.
Post by: MattH on 18 August, 2009, 10:09:53 pm
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secritbunkerforum somewhere do they?
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
Post by: Panoramix on 18 August, 2009, 10:11:42 pm
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:
Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)
Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating. Or even drinking Stella Artois.
It did stretch my English so he shouldn't feel lonely either!
Post by: hellymedic on 18 August, 2009, 10:15:32 pm
Post by: Giraffe on 18 August, 2009, 10:32:19 pm
Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...
Ooh, you are so analogue!
(Compare the digital file sizes, and I think a picture is often worth many times that.)
megabytes and soundbytes?
Post by: LEL on 18 August, 2009, 11:00:40 pm
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:
Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)
Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating. Or even drinking Stella Artois.
Oh Dear.
It woz Stella I gave out at the end of LEL....
And there are photos to prove it....... ;D :smug:
But i didn't actually force people to drink it.....
Post by: Ian H on 18 August, 2009, 11:03:26 pm
Oh Dear.It woz Stella I gave out at the end of LEL....And there are photos to prove it....... ;D :smug:
Shhh! They were probably too tired to notice.
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2009, 11:10:28 pm
But i didn't actually force people to drink it.....
I regularly drink it of my own volition. It was most most welcome (along with the 4 cans of Krony I'd bought in St Neots).
Post by: mattc on 19 August, 2009, 08:58:01 am
Memo to internets:Point taken - I shall avoid this in future diplomatic incidents!
Not everyone is familiar with the logical fallacy of a loaded question, and may wrongly interpret a question about beating your wife as an actual allegation of wife beating...
However, I don't think that's the reason he left us, so I'm not feeling guilty. This time.
(If you're reading this Stan, do come back soon!
Post by: Redlight on 19 August, 2009, 02:22:48 pm
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.
So, hello Hummers and Postie.
Post by: damerell on 19 August, 2009, 08:14:53 pm
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice :thumbsup:Agreed - I've done it 3 times - gets better each time ... last time on 1 July this year - hoping for a pass for this year on 6 Sept
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
The lovely Sarah and I are having a bish on the tandem, it being wildly unsuitable to the route. It'll be my third Sightseer.
Post by: Noodley on 20 August, 2009, 12:52:04 am
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
....and also in response the Greenbank, but I don't know how to copy 2 posts in a reply:
Not much of a clique then? ;)
Post by: Hummers on 20 August, 2009, 08:55:00 am
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.
So, hello Hummers and Postie.
*waves*
Hello Rob
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Post by: MattH on 20 August, 2009, 09:04:13 am
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
....and also in response the Greenbank, but I don't know how to copy 2 posts in a reply:
When typing in your reply, click on the "insert quote" link just below the "posted on: <time>" line of each message you want to quote.
Quote
Not much of a clique then? ;)
Ah, but that is gains you entrance to the outer of the seven circles of True Knowledge. The path towards the Inner Circle (whose Real Name is only known to the Acolytes of Benton) is exclusively available to those who have proved themselves worthy.
Post by: LEE on 20 August, 2009, 09:04:25 am
I got my copy ofSpot John Spooner QuarterlyArrivee today.
I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie). Is this a first?
If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.
So, hello Hummers and Postie.
*waves*
Hello Rob
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Don't automatically think that a casual 'Hello Hummers' is the same as a casual 'hello' to anyone else.
A "Hello Hummers" comes with extra baggage (and I'm not just referring to his generous frame).
Now your "Hello" exchange has been completed you should expect arse-gropings and french-kissing (typically in a Blue-Rinse country cafe) and, possibly, anatomically disturbing picture-messages, sent to "motivate you thru difficult night stages" (Probably the same defense that Gary Glitter tried).
You've signed a pact now and there's no going back.
Post by: Redlight on 20 August, 2009, 09:08:23 am
A "Hello Hummers" comes with extra baggage (
Why do you think I pretended that I couldn't keep up with him and Postie?
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 20 August, 2009, 05:39:59 pm
[/quote]
Now your "Hello" exchange has been completed you should expect arse-gropings and french-kissing (typically in a Blue-Rinse country cafe) and, possibly, anatomically disturbing picture-messages, sent to "motivate you thru difficult night stages" (Probably the same defense that Gary Glitter tried).
You've signed a pact now and there's no going back.
[/quote]
You underestimate the extent of future exchanges - at an early point on LEL I was encouraged to make further efforts by the sight of a naked left buttock passing me - I think the Devon flag was still attached to the bike - rather than stuck up his a*se - but the whole thing was too much for me -- and sadly I have to report that I was unable to respond to the clear invitation that I had been given.
Sorry Hummers - you will have to take things a little slower for me
Post by: Redlight on 20 August, 2009, 10:11:49 pm
Sorry Hummers - you will have to take things a little slower for me
[/quote]
You just need to get behind someone who is pretending to ride fixed bur with gears ;)
Post by: Martin on 06 November, 2009, 06:31:53 pm
for those who haven't got it photos appearances by
Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;
looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
Post by: hellymedic on 06 November, 2009, 07:45:24 pm
Good issue. Lots of articles about LEL.
Sad to read of John Seviour's passing.
Looks like forthcoming AGM might be interestinng.
AUK needs a Treasurer. Any volunteers?
Post by: livestrong10_02 on 06 November, 2009, 09:13:28 pm
Post by: PatC on 07 November, 2009, 11:26:46 am
another bumper edition hits the doormats;
for those who haven't got it photos appearances by
Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;
looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
You forgot to mention that you also appear..or is that taken for granted? Haha.
Some good pictures from the IHG.
Post by: alan on 07 November, 2009, 12:20:11 pm
This is certainly my type of riding.The zoomzoom days are long gone & I shall stop buying C+ which will susidise my recurring AUK subscriptions :)
Post by: nuttycyclist on 07 November, 2009, 02:48:10 pm
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 07 November, 2009, 03:11:58 pm
Not least the LEL account from the German chap and the one about the Norwegian 400km ride.
Post by: nightrider on 07 November, 2009, 05:00:16 pm
Mine arrived this morning whilst I was out practising for LEL 2013 ;DI notice you can renew your subscription online.Whatever next?Just done mine easy!
This is certainly my type of riding.The zoomzoom days are long gone & I shall stop buying C+ which will susidise my recurring AUK subscriptions :)
I will be getting a gps next :o
Post by: Martin on 07 November, 2009, 08:51:20 pm
another bumper edition hits the doormats;
for those who haven't got it photos appearances by
Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;
looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
You forgot to mention that you also appear..or is that taken for granted? Haha.
Some good pictures from the IHG.
some fat b'stard x3
Post by: MercuryKev on 07 November, 2009, 11:21:56 pm
Post by: Noodley on 07 November, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
Well it was LEL year ;)
Post by: arallsopp on 07 November, 2009, 11:36:31 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
Damnit... Now you've made me want a copy! :)
Post by: Noodley on 07 November, 2009, 11:37:18 pm
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?
It is indeed a Chuffster.
Post by: MercuryKev on 07 November, 2009, 11:52:50 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
Well it was LEL year ;)
Is that what all those folk, that I was serving trifle to in Dalkeith, were up to? They did look a wee bit sweaty.
Post by: Noodley on 08 November, 2009, 12:01:53 am
Is that what all those folk, that I was serving trifle to in Dalkeith, were up to? They did look a wee bit sweaty.
No that was the Dalkeith Highland Dance society.
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 08 November, 2009, 08:26:56 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
Post by: hellymedic on 08 November, 2009, 09:18:12 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
Post by: alan on 08 November, 2009, 09:42:19 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
So do I & I'm enjoying it.
Being a volunteer at Thorne was the trigger for me to join AUK & set 2013 as a target/ambition.
It is providing an incentive to get back into regular riding after being "off-the-idea" for a few months.
It keeps me out of mischief ;D
Post by: MercuryKev on 08 November, 2009, 10:04:53 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
Less of a criticism, more of an observation.
Post by: rogerzilla on 08 November, 2009, 10:07:39 am
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?
It is indeed a Chuffster.
They didn't use *that* photo, I hope?
Post by: Noodley on 08 November, 2009, 12:16:28 pm
They didn't use *that* photo, I hope?
oh god, no! Thankfully ;D
Post by: LEE on 08 November, 2009, 04:03:21 pm
It's taken 3 years and many thousands of Audax miles but my left shoulder and the rear of my YACF shirt finally made it into Arrivee (waiting to board the IoW Ferry). It may be tenuous but it's fame none the less.
I also spotted a serious editorial error in this copy of Arrivee, unless I'm very much mistaken they have carelessly omitted the obligatory 3 photos of Salvatore (1 in a very rainy place, 1 in a very hot place and 1 talking to a man with a beard).
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 08 November, 2009, 04:44:13 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
???
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on 08 November, 2009, 07:16:23 pm
Seriously though, we owe a debt of thanks to the editors and team who produce such a brilliant magazine each quarter.
Post by: mattc on 09 November, 2009, 10:54:42 am
Some good articles this month.+1 Best LEL report so far. (Sorry Damon, yours was pretty good too.)
Not least the LEL account from the German chap ...
I was convinced it was written by an ex-pat Brit until I read that it was a translation - so pat on the back for the translator (Armorel? good British name!)
-------------
Regarding the thorny issue of getting one's mugshot in the mag: I received a message by bush telegraph last night that Mr Wainwright has an excellent photo of me on LEL, and will try to send it at some point. But of course it wasn't in the mag, so either he was just being nice, or he has so many photos that we can't all be in it, or the photo is indeed excellent, but was not fit for publication.
Other YACF:
I did note Nic (who isn't an AUK) in an anonymous piccie,
and Helen looking like her Shermer's neck was well established!
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 November, 2009, 11:07:13 am
or the photo is indeed excellent, but was not fit for publication.
Or he's saving it for a cover pic :o
Post by: vorsprung on 09 November, 2009, 11:26:22 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
This is a good thing. Those of us that had to miss LEL can read about how rotten the weather was again :)
Post by: vorsprung on 09 November, 2009, 11:59:03 am
For those who always said they'd be glad to see the back of me, now is your chance.
It's taken 3 years and many thousands of Audax miles but my left shoulder and the rear of my YACF shirt finally made it into Arrivee (waiting to board the IoW Ferry). It may be tenuous but it's fame none the less.
I've been riding audaxes for 5 years, I've done LEL/PBP, I've written articles for Arrivee, I've been mentioned in articles in Arrivee but the only photo I feature in is in the background of the mass start LEL 2005
So to get your left shoulder in after only 3 years is very good going
Mind you I'm not very photogenic so it's probably just as well
I think this is the best ever photo to not feature in the magazine. I think it should have been a cover shot
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/BCM600%202009/P5160555.jpg)
Post by: GrahamG on 09 November, 2009, 12:48:46 pm
Post by: kond on 09 November, 2009, 08:24:39 pm
Has that fulcrum wheel got enough spokes for Audax?
Good photo though, should be a caption competition if you ask me....
"I've unpacked the bike, and I think there may be a few bits missing..."
Post by: mikewigley on 10 November, 2009, 09:54:32 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
I quite agree !
I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.
Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
Less of a criticism, more of an observation.
They only print what we write and send in
Post by: alan on 10 November, 2009, 12:53:52 pm
Post by: vorsprung on 10 November, 2009, 01:30:17 pm
@vorsprung
Has that fulcrum wheel got enough spokes for Audax?
Good photo though, should be a caption competition if you ask me....
"I've unpacked the bike, and I think there may be a few bits missing..."
You can't see the spokes becuase it's a glass disc wheel
Not suitable for audax imho because the glass gets covered in cowshit and this ruins the whole effect
Post by: Really Ancien on 10 November, 2009, 09:58:42 pm
I enjoyed the article about the Dartmoor Classic, it conveyed ambition.
Damon.
Post by: nic on 11 December, 2009, 12:03:34 pm
I got my first Arrivee copy in the post this morning. Excellent articles all around and superb pictures. Congrats.
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online. It'd be a great way to promote Audax and Long distance cycling.
Nic
Post by: Redlight on 11 December, 2009, 12:07:34 pm
I have joined AUK. Whohoo!
I got my first Arrivee copy in the post this morning. Excellent articles all around and superb pictures. Congrats.
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online. It'd be a great way to promote Audax and Long distance cycling.
Nic
Resources, I suspect. AUK is entirely run by volunteers and I imagine just getting the magazine together takes up a lot of time and energy.
Post by: Greenbank on 11 December, 2009, 12:14:00 pm
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online.
If you mean solely published online, then probably because many older members of AUK don't have computers and wouldn't be able to read it.
If you mean publishing it as a PDF and allowing members to opt-out of receiving the hard-copy magazine, then that idea would probably work.
I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
Post by: MattH on 11 December, 2009, 12:34:25 pm
I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
I have to agree. I really dislike reading magazines online - especially when the publishers insist on using some flash based abomination that is supposed to look like turning pages but ends up combining the worst features of reading on a computer with the worst of reading paper.
Give me something I can read in the bath whilst soaking after a long ride any day!
I would like an online archive though for finding and referring to old material.
Post by: urban_biker on 11 December, 2009, 12:38:04 pm
I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
I have to agree. I really dislike reading magazines online - especially when the publishers insist on using some flash based abomination that is supposed to look like turning pages but ends up combining the worst features of reading on a computer with the worst of reading paper.
Give me something I can read in the bath whilst soaking after a long ride any day!
I would like an online archive though for finding and referring to old material.
+1
Arrive is excellent for reading while sat with my kids in the evening watching TV. That way I only occasionally get dragged away form the latest accounts of LEL (or some other ride) into watching Ben 10.
Post by: Jaded on 11 December, 2009, 01:49:43 pm
I know of several publications that do this.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 11 December, 2009, 03:31:43 pm
Post by: MSeries on 11 December, 2009, 03:49:37 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 December, 2009, 04:45:40 pm
There should be no reason (other than bandwidth) that the magazine isn't available on-line. If it is printable then it is pdf-able.
FYI the magazine is actually sent to print as a pdf, has been for about 4 years now.
No real reason not to go down the route MSeries suggests.
Post by: Hummers on 11 December, 2009, 10:46:40 pm
Yup. Hard copy for reading on the bog, in bed, on the train etc. On line a month or two later for reference purposes.
I wholeheatedly agree with Mr Series.
There has been many a time that I have been left wanting in the paperwork department and the (thoughtfully) pre-perforated letters page is often used as a two-ply substitute. In fact, Mrs H lovingly refers to it as 'Arrivex'.
It would help greatly if the paper were more absorbent as I tend to waste a lot of page 17 cleaning up the mess page 16 has made which is a terrible shame - unless if I can wash the worst off and glue them back in their rightful place. To this end, I forwarded my motion to be aired in from of the committee at the AGM but I am yet to find out if it was seconded.
H
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2010, 12:10:13 pm
They've done well to get Tim Wainwrights pics of the Mille Cymru in.
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Nice Bryan Chapman photos too
Post by: RichForrest on 05 August, 2010, 12:11:52 pm
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
;D
Post by: dkahn400 on 05 August, 2010, 12:13:52 pm
Good to see AUK sticking to their policy of not printing finishing times for rides.
I think that's essential to the character of Audax riding. On the road you can be as competitive or uncompetitive as you like, but everyone who gets round in the time limit gets the same credit.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 August, 2010, 12:59:10 pm
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Well, at least he's smiling (sort of) and isn't screaming abuse ;)
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 02:05:53 pm
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)
They've done well to get Tim Wainwrights pics of the Mille Cymru in.
Isn't Tim the editor for this issue?
I've not seen a copy yet. Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
Post by: αdαmsκι on 05 August, 2010, 02:07:39 pm
Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
A few ;)
Post by: Karla on 05 August, 2010, 02:12:30 pm
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2010, 02:26:47 pm
Those were the days ...
The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though
Well, at least he's smiling (sort of) and isn't screaming abuse ;)
We've got our neighbour's copy of "Power Reel" (and a very dull letter). Think I'll read that first ...
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2010, 02:30:45 pm
I've not seen a copy yet. Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
A very good one of you, since you're fishing ;)
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 02:33:36 pm
Oh what an afternoon. A new pair of wheels sitting in my office, and a copy of Arrivee at home to peruse (hopefully).
I've not seen a copy yet. Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
A very good one of you, since you're fishing ;)
Must try to get some work done.
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2010, 02:35:31 pm
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 02:41:42 pm
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)
Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2010, 02:45:54 pm
edit: looks again and realises that there are actually multiple sets of 2-page DM photo spreads
Post by: frankly frankie on 05 August, 2010, 02:48:22 pm
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
And you have the front cover.
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 02:50:41 pm
Ah. Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you. Good work :)Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
And you have the front cover.
From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 05 August, 2010, 02:52:50 pm
And you have the front cover.
But the cover photo has been credited to John Martin. Whoops.
David, the cover piccy is of Martin Foley on the Snow Roads.
Post by: Viv on 05 August, 2010, 02:54:08 pm
No-one's found the need to comment on it but it's my first article in Arrivée so I'm pleased anyway.
:)
Post by: border-rider on 05 August, 2010, 02:56:00 pm
First job is a quick flip through to look at the pics, then I read it in detail over breakfast, over a few days
That article caught my eye though. Good job it was three times, I felt ;)
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 03:50:49 pm
First job is a quick flip through to look at the pics, then I read it in detail over breakfast, over a few days
I have the same m.o. as M.V.
I reckon that great minds think alike ;D
This magazine alone is worth the sub. fee .It's unique in that I can relate to people & places I know/have been to when seen in print.
Pleased for you David ref your pics :thumbsup:
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 05 August, 2010, 04:13:18 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Northern Slags!
Post by: clarion on 05 August, 2010, 04:46:01 pm
... the cover photo has been credited to John Martin. Whoops.
May you never lay your SLR down... ;D
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 05:33:22 pm
mrs. jogler tells me that I appear therein :o
My grand daughter says she will confirm when she has it next :facepalm:
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 06:13:55 pm
I can't get to see my copy. ::-)
mrs. jogler tells me that I appear therein :o
My grand daughter says she will confirm when she has it next :facepalm:
BloodandSand :o
so I am.
Good thing I was dressed in uniform "front¢re" at the time :)
Post by: Deano on 05 August, 2010, 06:54:21 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Northern Slags!
Just naturally photogenic O:-)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 August, 2010, 06:58:00 pm
Post by: kcass on 05 August, 2010, 07:04:35 pm
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 07:07:56 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Northern Slags!
Just naturally photogenic O:-)
In consideration of the amount of
Post by: Deano on 05 August, 2010, 07:38:32 pm
Post by: Rimnod on 05 August, 2010, 08:31:44 pm
Thanks Dave, loving your work.
Post by: Chris S on 05 August, 2010, 08:34:11 pm
If you don't ride hilly events - you can remain anonymous for years.
Post by: Karla on 05 August, 2010, 08:44:57 pm
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once. Poor effort.No. It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut. What a shame. :'(
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 08:47:32 pm
that was on a flat route & my first year as an AUK member
Post by: Chris S on 05 August, 2010, 08:47:58 pm
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once. Poor effort.No. It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut. What a shame. :'(
;D
Post by: Chris S on 05 August, 2010, 08:50:00 pm
your theory doesn't work Chris S
that was on a flat route & my first year as an AUK member
Zen I must remain - La Scarlet Pimpernel de La Randonneur... ;)
Post by: valkyrie on 05 August, 2010, 09:36:07 pm
Post by: red marley on 05 August, 2010, 09:49:27 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 August, 2010, 09:53:26 pm
Post by: Crystal Tips on 05 August, 2010, 10:28:01 pm
[/quote]
Good pictures David, thanks, but just to be pedantic I'm Judy :P
Post by: Captain Zep on 05 August, 2010, 10:33:58 pm
(formally) RJMcB
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 10:35:20 pm
3 images of me, is this some kind of record for a single edition?And you got the best picture of me on a bike I have yet seen.
Thanks Dave, loving your work.
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 10:36:47 pm
From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)
Good pictures David, thanks, but just to be pedantic I'm Judy :P
[/quote]
That's OK, I'n not John either.. (he is my brother and doesn't ride Audax).
Noted for next time..
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2010, 10:42:09 pm
Just noticed the passing slip of 'repugnants recumbents' in the official notices..
Post by: jogler on 05 August, 2010, 10:46:02 pm
having said that,it weren't me who gave him a lift to the Cairn o' Mount.
We E2E'ers stick together ;)
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 05 August, 2010, 11:03:56 pm
* escapes again *
If you don't ride hilly events - you can remain anonymous for years.
Not true Chris - I seem to be in twice - and instead of the grinning idiot pose - I even look to be cheerful
Post by: Chris S on 05 August, 2010, 11:15:10 pm
Post by: citoyen on 05 August, 2010, 11:32:41 pm
d.
Post by: Panoramix on 05 August, 2010, 11:35:53 pm
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
Post by: Karla on 06 August, 2010, 12:04:56 am
Post by: Nuncio on 06 August, 2010, 06:01:36 am
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
You're one of us now 'Robert'.
[Edited for embarrassing solecism]
Post by: Bairn Again on 06 August, 2010, 08:15:23 am
Good to see YACF's Cyclops on the front cover. I have a suspicion that several copies of this edition will end up on the table in a certain dentist's waiting room :P
I took my arrivee out of the plastic sleeve, looked at the front cover and realised that there was something missing.
Took me a minute or two before I realised that for the first time ever that Cyclops' pedal/s werent squeaking very loudly. :)
Most enjoyable read, it was good to have some Mille Cymru stuff in it too which gave a "hot off the press" feel.
Post by: The Mechanic on 06 August, 2010, 08:25:33 am
Post by: jogler on 06 August, 2010, 08:48:00 am
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
Post by: David Martin on 06 August, 2010, 09:04:46 am
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page352,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
That is Maverick of this parish.
Unfortunately, while you were in the pic of three (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/4672385990/in/set-72157624209434910/) at the bottom of the potter for Tea page, Tim seems to have decided to crop you out.
I'll try to get to the Forfar Audaxes with the camera (though it will be a bit of a hit and run effort as I have elsewhere to be that day) and remedy the state of affairs.
..d
Post by: jogler on 06 August, 2010, 09:45:33 am
it has an "M" in it ;D
it's an age thing ::-)
Post by: frankly frankie on 06 August, 2010, 10:57:12 am
They do seem to have printed with extra contrast and with the contrast turned up to supernova. I'll remember to flatten them before sending next time so they print better.
Join the ever-growing club of photographers who feel that the printed page is not doing their efforts justice.
Photo reproduction in Arrivee is generally better now than it was 2, 5 or 10 years ago, but it does vary slightly even between two copies of the same issue. There's always a tendency to blocky shadows, to my eyes - an ink-spreading thing I suppose. Inevitably at some point in the process the photos get converted from RGB to CMYK and some aspects suffer a bit, especially things like hi-viz clothing. Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 11:13:45 am
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
Hmm... he may well be an expert in print production but his skills are perhaps slightly wanting in other areas of the production process... which isn't meant as a criticism. Far from it. All those involved in Arrivee do sterling work and I appreciate their efforts. It must be a mammoth task to put an issue together, and clearly a lot of time and energy is put into it - all unpaid too, I presume. Chapeau to all the editors.
Thing is, I have a certain amount of professional expertise myself and sometimes when I'm reading Arrivee, I find it hard to resist the urge to get the red pen out...
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue? Is sub-editing and proofreading a team effort? Or is it a one-man job from beginning to end?
I'm contemplating the rash move of Getting Involved but I fear a greater level of commitment is involved than I may be able to offer.
d.
Post by: Martin on 06 August, 2010, 11:37:28 am
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue?
I think anything that gets submitted goes in; from what I hear from Tim there is often a shortage of material in some issues which is why you get full page photos of people doing rides from last year ;)
nice to see some regular top notch photos appearing not just from the camera of Tim too :thumbsup:
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 11:49:19 am
nice to see some regular top notch photos appearing not just from the camera of Tim too :thumbsup:
Yes - Mrs Cyklisten has quite a few in this month. :thumbsup:
d.
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2010, 11:50:22 am
I think anything that gets submitted goes in; from what I hear from Tim there is often a shortage of material in some issues which is why you get full page photos of people doing rides from last year ;)Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
I don't have any criticism of the production - but I know F-all about photos. I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!
Some issues are really inspiring, most have at least one entertaining article.
(Even the dull ride reports are usually useful info :thumbsup: ) In a perfect world, a team of talented sub-editors would 'enhance' the less interesting writing (and of course charge nothing for their work except quiet satisfaction).
We see some really entertaining RRs on the internet - please folks send them to Tim and team!
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 12:13:21 pm
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!
Dullness isn't really the problem - it's a niche product aimed at a limited audience who have already expressed an interest in the subject by virtue of joining AUK. However, occasionally an article is just unreadable. There's one particular article in this issue that I was very interested in reading, but I found it almost impossible to extract the useful information from it.
But like I said, this isn't meant as a criticism of Tim or anyone else. Arrivee is an amateurish product in the best possible sense of the word, and long may it stay that way. A little polishing here and there wouldn't hurt, though clearly that depends on the people with the relevant skills and experience volunteering their services...
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We see some really entertaining RRs on the internet - please folks send them to Tim and team!
Yes, I owe Arrivee an article that I promised myself I would write earlier this year but still haven't got round to it yet. <Slaps own wrist>
d.
Post by: vorsprung on 06 August, 2010, 12:38:56 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Post by: Chris S on 06 August, 2010, 12:41:47 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Is that pre or post hissy fit?
Post by: Martin on 06 August, 2010, 12:43:29 pm
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!
Dullness isn't really the problem - it's a niche product aimed at a limited audience who have already expressed an interest in the subject by virtue of joining AUK
we have the same problem in our caving club of which I used to be the newsletter editor; some of the articles are just too long for some readers even though the author thinks it's important to put it all down.
One of our members was in PR and had done a bit of work for magazines like the National Trust and Blokey Tit ones; he reckoned for general interest most articles over half a page of text were never going to get published far less read.
Less is more.
I also quite like reading the reports of when things go wrong, not out of morbid humour but because it shows how we often make the best out of adversity; which is definitely part of what AUK is about.
Post by: vorsprung on 06 August, 2010, 12:45:57 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Is that pre or post hissy fit?
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2010, 12:45:57 pm
...You've touched on something I've found ever since my first Arrivee. If I'm reading a report as much for information as entertainment, my brain needs a little guidance!
I was very interested in reading, but I found it almost impossible to extract the useful information from it.
I wonder if it would be helpful to have a standard proforma summary with RRs. (It could be in small font, bottom of the left margin say). Basically the sort of info in the calendar entry, but perhaps fleshed out a bit - thoughts anyone?
[I know this is dreadfully conformist, and us cyclists like our freedoms - we're not at school any more Matt! but i'd find it really useful ... ]
Post by: Chris S on 06 August, 2010, 12:46:51 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.
That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Is that pre or post hissy fit?
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
Ah yes, my bad - I was influenced by other pictures...
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2010, 12:47:10 pm
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
I think it was taken at 60k :(
Post by: Panoramix on 06 August, 2010, 01:06:05 pm
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
Your one of us now 'Robert'.
Call me Bob!
Post by: David Martin on 06 August, 2010, 01:12:06 pm
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.Is that not yourself on page352,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
I should point out for our geographically more distant members that this Audax name. refers to a place, not a particular culinary misfortune or ritual. Likewise the stone of scone refers to a lump of rock, not the comestibles available at the cafe stop.
For TEFL practitioners, getting your students to correctly pronounce 'The stone of Scone has gone' can be quite amusing for the listener.
..d
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 01:14:33 pm
I wonder if it would be helpful to have a standard proforma summary with RRs. (It could be in small font, bottom of the left margin say). Basically the sort of info in the calendar entry, but perhaps fleshed out a bit - thoughts anyone?
This is an interesting thought. If such information were presented as a box panel, this would also help to break up the text and make long articles more digestible. The design of the magazine is generally very good, but there are various other tricks that could be employed to help the reader. Crossheads are used to good effect but pullquotes would be another good way of breaking up the text - they would also help to draw the reader in. These are all the kind of jobs you'd expect a decent sub editor to do.
One thing that confuses me about way ride report articles are laid out at the moment is where the first paragraph is highlighted in a different typeface/colour (eg Eiger Sanction, p8), sometimes in a side panel (eg Pony Express, p26). In design terms, this only really works if the highlighted paragraph is a standalone introduction to the article. Or if the drop cap is in the highlighted paragraph (as in the Black Mountain Brevet write-up, p4).
Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about - but again it would require a sub editor to write it...
Hmm. If I'm not careful, I'm going to talk myself into Doing Something.
d.
PS another thing a good sub editor would do is check the names of contributors.
Post by: David Martin on 06 August, 2010, 01:18:29 pm
;D
PS another thing a good sub editor would do is check the names of contributors.
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2010, 01:22:32 pm
Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about - but again it would require a sub editor to write it...Very true. I made my suggestion as I thought it could be done without any extra labour* from the editorial team, and authors wouldn't need to do any extra thinking.
Truly talented writers could still work something snappy in by themselves.
*well, apart from initiating the protocol in the first place.
Post by: hellymedic on 06 August, 2010, 01:29:56 pm
I don't know if he has others on the team, had enough time to do it all himself or disliked my style (or lack thereof).
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 06 August, 2010, 01:56:43 pm
Found the Mont Ventoux article vaguely inspiring. I might make my way down to Provence next year as a digestif to the main course Brevet Randonneurs des Alpes I plan to do in summer 2011.
Post by: Cyklisten on 06 August, 2010, 02:00:38 pm
Post by: vorsprung on 06 August, 2010, 02:28:14 pm
It's on LEL innit? So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
I think it was taken at 60k :(
Anticipation then ;D
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 06 August, 2010, 02:31:18 pm
digestif ... a sportif with biscuits? ;D
Isn't that an audax?
Post by: jogler on 06 August, 2010, 03:05:28 pm
and BRIDIES :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Viv on 06 August, 2010, 03:07:23 pm
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Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about
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Found the Mont Ventoux article vaguely inspiring
I thought my intro panel was snappy and informative.
Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 03:32:26 pm
I thought my intro panel was snappy and informative.
Yes, yours is spot on - a good example of the kind of thing I was getting at.
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Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
I see you have also mastered the rhetorical device meiosis. ;)
d.
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 06 August, 2010, 04:08:18 pm
Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
Being rather dour, vaguely inspiring is about as close to enthusing as I get.
I was sufficiently inspired to look at the cingles website and try to figure out how to get from BRA to Mont Ventoux. And also to think about posting for interest within my local cycling club (as a member has already done it; he who wrote it up in C+ beclad in club colours).
Post by: Willesden guy on 06 August, 2010, 04:47:05 pm
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
Hmm... he may well be an expert in print production but his skills are perhaps slightly wanting in other areas of the production process... which isn't meant as a criticism. Far from it. All those involved in Arrivee do sterling work and I appreciate their efforts. It must be a mammoth task to put an issue together, and clearly a lot of time and energy is put into it - all unpaid too, I presume. Chapeau to all the editors.
Thing is, I have a certain amount of professional expertise myself and sometimes when I'm reading Arrivee, I find it hard to resist the urge to get the red pen out...
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue? Is sub-editing and proofreading a team effort? Or is it a one-man job from beginning to end?
I'm contemplating the rash move of Getting Involved but I fear a greater level of commitment is involved than I may be able to offer.
d.
Citoyen
Francis is being very kind. I am not an expert in print production, I just worked in the printing industry as a typesetter and proof reader. Production for print was always handled by the other departments. I just bumble along trying to get it right.
There's not really an editorial process behind each issue. More often than not, editors are scrabbling round for copy to fill the pages and all the little gaps that are left when an article doesn't fit the page. You might have noticed that FOUR of the articles were written by one author and TWO by another. Good job they bothered to write, it would be down to a 32pp without them. You might also have noticed the excess of photos in the current issue. I was going to send 60pp instead of the normal 64p to the printers because of shortage of copy, but postponed publication for a few days while I travelled to photograph the Mille Cymru to fill the four remaining pages. It costs £100 more to print a 60pp mag than a 64pp mag, believe it or not.
Basically, nearly everything that gets sent in gets published. It is a club magazine after all, written by its members. Get the red pen out by all means but let us have your thoughts, don't just whinge on a forum. Compare the full colour A4 mag to the A5 b/w of a few years ago and see what you think. It takes many more hours to produce than the black and white mag of those days.
All the editing, sub-editing, typesetting, page make-up, scanning, typing, phone calls, emails, all the digital imaging that takes up many hours in PhotoShop, all the choosing and cropping of images to fit the page, pre-flighting, multiple hours to upload the lot to the printers' website and wait while their pre-flight software finds any errors - everything that goes into the magazine is the work of ONE person - the editor for that issue.
Yes, it would be nice to break up solid pages of text with more sub-heads and pull quotes, but very often that means the article spreads over to another page with a few lines of text on – not very practical. Subbing out a few lines will often ruin an article.
Same with the intros, most times there is a natural break before the article starts. For the Eiger Sanction, p.8, it just wouldn't fit in the usual style and the picture was the wrong shape to fill the page. "You can't always get what you want" to quote MJ.
There are lots of ways to improve the layout, but all these take up extra production time. The Calendar alone take the best part of a day to format and get into shape – maybe you have some ideas on how to speed that process up from a web-page file?
You could submit a nice new design for us - it's been in its present layout for a long time and could do with a make-over. It's a club magazine, it doesn't belong to the editors - get involved!
So, you would be welcomed aboard the editorial team to add your expertise. For a start, how about putting your money where your mouth is and taking over the advertising manager's job (currently held by me) - suit you sir! You will get a foot in the door of Arrivée production and who knows – editors can come and go as in any other AUK position.
Helen: I valued your proof reading for me last year when I was really pressed. I will be pleased to use your services again. If you would like to get more involved, with consent from Sheila and Maggie, maybe we could get all copy directed to you for each issue to edit, format and spell check so it reaches the editor ready to go.
David Martin: Apologies, I got your name wrong on p.1 credit, all done in a last minute rush. Thanks for all the super images you sent. As for cropping your mate out of the pic, all down to the shape of the image you sent. That was one of the few landscape mode shots that you submitted. Someone had to be cropped. Nearly all your others were portrait mode, which fit well into an A4 publication. Landscape pics don't fit into a 9 pics per page very easily.
I don't think we'll ever get our images how we really want them. A nice clear image from a digi camera arrives, it gets cropped, Photoshopped a bit, converted to CMYK which always changes the colours slightly, and then gets printed with only FOUR ink colours onto paper. You are viewing the image on your computer screen at millions of colours. A bit like recording hi-fi onto a cassette tape, and then making lots of duplicate tapes – something gets lost along the way. A high proportion of the images in the current issue don't resemble the colour, highlights and shadows I have on my calibrated monitor. I never know what it's going to look like until I receive a copy.
Tim
Post by: damerell on 06 August, 2010, 05:05:22 pm
There's not really an editorial process behind each issue. More often than not, editors are scrabbling round for copy to fill the pages and all the little gaps that are left when an article doesn't fit the page. You might have noticed that FOUR of the articles were written by one author and TWO by another. Good job they bothered to write, it would be down to a 32pp without them.
Last time I sent something in, it was not unrelated to hellymedic poking yacf around copy time. I think many of us could be persuaded with a bit of a nudge at the right time.
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2010, 05:23:08 pm
d.
Post by: David Martin on 06 August, 2010, 06:28:04 pm
I was wondering how to make things better at my end if I am sending you photos rather than carping on. And I must write up some articles too..
I think the manta is "submit early, submit often and if you can't generate copy, help to lay it up/proofread/subedit if you have those skills"
Again many many thanks to Tim and the other editors for the many weeks of work they put into each issue.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 06 August, 2010, 07:32:12 pm
Post by: Tim Hall on 06 August, 2010, 08:49:04 pm
Post by: Martin on 06 August, 2010, 08:49:46 pm
Post by: Martin on 06 August, 2010, 08:53:32 pm
There must be something wrong with my copy - no pictures of Martin Malins.
(blows raspberry)
I did send the ones taken in ESH to Tim but he must have mislaid them
I'm not saddened having seen the ones of me on The Crown :-[ (btw Paul H of EGCC makes his debut)
Post by: eck on 06 August, 2010, 09:02:27 pm
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(Worth waiting for. (See p52) ;)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 06 August, 2010, 09:03:01 pm
Post by: MercuryKev on 06 August, 2010, 09:07:42 pm
Grr!
A wee sneak preview
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4866427895_d29b14ef88.jpg)
Post by: thing1 on 07 August, 2010, 11:06:03 am
Post by: arabella on 07 August, 2010, 01:44:41 pm
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.I haven't. But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).
Nice article, Viv. Tho' I'm not tempted to follow suit.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 07 August, 2010, 07:58:51 pm
Post by: Noodley on 07 August, 2010, 10:46:34 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(
you want mine?
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2010, 11:06:53 pm
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.I haven't. But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).
Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
Post by: Redlight on 09 August, 2010, 01:20:14 pm
Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
Presumably someone asking why it's moving round so slowly ;D
Post by: David Martin on 09 August, 2010, 01:30:38 pm
Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
Presumably someone asking why it's moving round so slowly ;D
Slowly? I've been looking at the pic for hours and it hasn't moved..
Post by: mattc on 09 August, 2010, 01:33:17 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 09 August, 2010, 01:36:56 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
Or the hologram edition?
Post by: border-rider on 09 August, 2010, 01:41:57 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 09 August, 2010, 01:57:59 pm
nonsense. I think it's brilliant just as it is. it looks good and tells me lots of things i want to know. it ain't broke so don't fix it.
;D
Post by: David Martin on 09 August, 2010, 02:04:43 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
would those be the glasses with the scotch in?
(BTW I am not scottish..)
Post by: Pingu on 09 August, 2010, 03:03:18 pm
(BTW I am not scottish..)
Glad you scotched that rumour.
Post by: mattc on 09 August, 2010, 07:24:47 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
would those be the glasses with the scotch in?
(BTW I am not scottish..)
Ah but the membership team probably have you down as a Scotchland resident.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 09 August, 2010, 09:35:48 pm
I'll see if I can get them to send another one first, thanks Noodley.Meh, still didn't come today :(
you want mine?
Post by: mikewigley on 20 August, 2010, 09:17:02 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(
Has it come yet? I've had very few Pas d'Arriveés coming back to me at the "if undelivered" address. There again, I don't know where the undelivered "if undelivered" copies go.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 20 August, 2010, 10:06:40 pm
Postie obv decided that we wouldn't mind our Arrivee being a bit late but that we weren't going to miss a trade union newsletter. Cheeky git ::-)
Post by: mikewigley on 08 November, 2010, 01:36:14 pm
With it you will see your Membership Renewal form. (If you need them instructions on what to do are on page 7). If your AUK membership expires by the end of December 2010 then we need some money from you. The best way to proceed is to go to www.aukweb.net/renewal (http://www.aukweb.net/renewal) and follow the on-screen instructions.
Now back to Arrivee to see how many VC167 jerseys are in this one - um just the 2.
Mike
Post by: frankly frankie on 08 November, 2010, 01:50:23 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 08 November, 2010, 01:51:34 pm
Post by: CountrySickness on 08 November, 2010, 02:47:07 pm
Post by: Somnolent on 08 November, 2010, 02:59:28 pm
I take it from the fact that I've had a few membership renewals to process already that Arrivee 110 is now out ... checks mail box ... yes here it is.
With it you will see your Membership Renewal form. (If you need them instructions on what to do are on page 7). If your AUK membership expires by the end of December 2010 then we need some money from you. The best way to proceed is to go to www.aukweb.net/renewal (http://www.aukweb.net/renewal) and follow the on-screen instructions.
Now back to Arrivee to see how many VC167 jerseys are in this one - um just the 2.
Mike
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members? My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
Post by: mikewigley on 08 November, 2010, 03:34:23 pm
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members? My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
Well done for spreading the word. There's a PM on its way telling you how to add them. Everything is possible
Post by: LindaG on 08 November, 2010, 03:35:19 pm
Post by: jogler on 08 November, 2010, 03:36:25 pm
Post by: Paul D on 08 November, 2010, 03:39:40 pm
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
Post by: mikewigley on 08 November, 2010, 03:39:58 pm
non arrive ici
Hang on! Contrary to popular misconceptions, the Royal Mail sometimes isn't that good. Give it a week then PM me if it still n'est pas arrive
Post by: LEE on 08 November, 2010, 03:41:03 pm
How many Martin Malins?
Probably, it's way too low a number to be John Spooners or Steve Abrahams
Post by: jogler on 08 November, 2010, 03:44:52 pm
non arrive ici
Hang on! Contrary to popular misconceptions, the Royal Mail sometimes isn't that good. Give it a week then PM me if it still n'est pas arrive
It's cool:I'll go ride my bike while I'm waiting :)
Post by: mikewigley on 08 November, 2010, 03:52:27 pm
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I'm trying to work out if there is a third cyclist right behind you. Perhaps that's Jamie.
Post by: Chris N on 08 November, 2010, 03:52:51 pm
Frustrated of Dorset
I'm surprised that they mistook you for Jamie; surely all of AUK know you're actually Mrs. Hopper.
Post by: vorsprung on 08 November, 2010, 03:53:49 pm
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
I am also disturbed by this lapse in standards
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 08 November, 2010, 04:34:03 pm
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I'm trying to work out if there is a third cyclist right behind you. Perhaps that's Jamie.
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
Post by: Dinamo on 08 November, 2010, 05:20:25 pm
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
............so thats what you have to do to get your picture included
non arrive ici
+1
Post by: mikewigley on 08 November, 2010, 05:36:49 pm
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
Well, it will arrivee, and you know just where too
Post by: Jaded on 08 November, 2010, 05:37:33 pm
three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27.
One of which is a potato. ;D
Post by: TOBY on 08 November, 2010, 06:27:34 pm
Post by: Grandad on 08 November, 2010, 06:39:13 pm
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on a sunny day
Consolation for our gale force rain is being able to read it with a clear conscience
Post by: MattH on 08 November, 2010, 06:46:17 pm
This is supposed to be a long distance cycling club. I expect to see Mike, Danial, Ian or one of the other worthies riding down my road, their Carradice laden with freshly printed copies to be delivered by hand. I would, of course, offer cake and stamp their brevet de distribution. Our house is an easy day ride (only about 300km) from Mike's place.
Post by: Paul D on 08 November, 2010, 06:50:19 pm
I wouldn't worry about it Paul, Johnny Five's not captioned on the same page and he used to be in the movies.
Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. I was happy with anonymity. ;D
Post by: Martin on 08 November, 2010, 09:42:06 pm
How many Martin Malins?
0 (serves me right for going on hols in August)
not even my event in the calendar..
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 08 November, 2010, 09:44:20 pm
non arrive ici
+1. Prolly have to wait another 2 weeks for the postie to finish with it like we did last time ::-)
Post by: MSeries on 08 November, 2010, 11:21:28 pm
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(nor has mine
Post by: geraldc on 08 November, 2010, 11:37:46 pm
Post by: Feline on 08 November, 2010, 11:43:45 pm
Post by: Jaded on 08 November, 2010, 11:50:13 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
And stickier too!
Post by: Ian H on 09 November, 2010, 12:03:33 am
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
And stickier too!
Worrying, that.
Post by: Hummers on 09 November, 2010, 01:25:20 am
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world and goes beyond mere electronic testing.
I particularly enjoyed the complimentary double-sided C30 cassette of selected ride reports (1990 to 2008) narrated by Miriam Margoyles.
Bravo!
H
Post by: Ashaman42 on 09 November, 2010, 07:35:48 am
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 09 November, 2010, 09:16:57 am
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
Well, it will arrivee, and you know just where too
Yes, but it's not like it's going to be arriveeing anywhere useful.
Can I play my Oliver Twist card now?
Post by: nor on 09 November, 2010, 03:44:58 pm
Fought my way through the security wrapper and checked the index to see what to read first. I'd just finished my lunch so thought "Noro virus beats McNasty" on page 49 should be safe enough.
Shock horror, despite the heavy duty polythene security system my copy would seem to have been censored! Pages 9 to 16 and 47 to 56 were missing. To compensate Pages 25 to 40 were in twice. Strangely these include three photo pages. Is this a conspiracy by those who like to see their photo in the mag :smug: or was the McNasty article too much for the printers? :sick:
Post by: RichForrest on 09 November, 2010, 03:52:12 pm
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 November, 2010, 03:56:05 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 09 November, 2010, 04:14:25 pm
Pages 9 to 16 and 47 to 56 were missing. To compensate Pages 25 to 40 were in twice.
Whoever, you are, if you PM me your name and Membership number I'll send you a proper version.
Mike
Post by: mattc on 09 November, 2010, 04:20:00 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Well I'm not sure about your copy, but mine came in a really useful helmet rain-cover.
Post by: Ian H on 09 November, 2010, 05:54:10 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
Post by: DanialW on 09 November, 2010, 06:00:08 pm
Post by: Ian H on 09 November, 2010, 06:01:54 pm
There still is. They're meant for large penises.
So where did they source those bags?
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 09 November, 2010, 07:53:40 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
I don't think that gerald was suggesting that the magazine wrapper was horse shaped in order to appear as a trophy of victory from wich the greek army would emerge at night and unfettle his neat collection of brevet cards.
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2010, 08:17:44 pm
Arrivee n'est arrive pas. :(
Ni moi non plus... :( :(
Post by: Jaded on 09 November, 2010, 08:36:19 pm
Post by: Ariadne on 09 November, 2010, 08:39:54 pm
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 09 November, 2010, 08:43:07 pm
"Oi postie, giz back ma Arrivee, ya git"
Post by: eck on 09 November, 2010, 08:44:39 pm
If any of our southern cousins requires a translation..... you don't want to know. :hand:
Post by: bodach on 09 November, 2010, 09:03:18 pm
Of course the british Dreadnought was a real battleship of a condom.The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
Post by: bodach on 09 November, 2010, 09:07:10 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2010, 09:46:14 pm
Post by: jogler on 09 November, 2010, 09:49:55 pm
I've been stroking mine for days.
but have you got your Arrivee? ::-)
Post by: Rimnod on 09 November, 2010, 09:57:13 pm
Post by: Feline on 09 November, 2010, 11:16:01 pm
I've been stroking mine for days.
There is something not quite right about coveting your Arrivee to that degree :D
Post by: Hummers on 09 November, 2010, 11:25:25 pm
There still is. They're meant for large penises.
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world
Quote
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
Both right, on a number if levels.
H
Post by: Jaded on 09 November, 2010, 11:29:29 pm
Post by: David Martin on 09 November, 2010, 11:54:21 pm
Post by: Bairn Again on 10 November, 2010, 11:50:58 am
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Post by: Ariadne on 10 November, 2010, 11:58:47 am
Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Glad I'm not alone
Post by: MattH on 10 November, 2010, 12:00:13 pm
(still waiting for mine, but the postman hasn't been yet today).
Post by: eck on 10 November, 2010, 12:01:44 pm
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition. :smug:Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Glad I'm not alone
I could be persuaded to auction it at the forthcoming YACF ECosse swa-ray. ;D
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 10 November, 2010, 12:02:50 pm
I canna understand why Eck and the Pingus in the frozen North have received their Arrivees and mine is lost in the system somewhere even tho' I'm right in the centre of Scotland.But we haven't received ours.
Post by: Ariadne on 10 November, 2010, 12:14:18 pm
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition. :smug:Got mine yesterday.
I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".
Glad I'm not alone
I could be persuaded to auction it at the forthcoming YACF ECosse swa-ray. ;D
Surely, like a misprinted stamp, YLG and I ought to be able to flog ours for hundreds?
Post by: arabella on 10 November, 2010, 12:15:43 pm
Post by: NoImElSupremo on 10 November, 2010, 12:21:41 pm
I made the mistake of reading McNasty's article while I was having my tea. :facepalm: :sick:It's jolly decent of you to acknowledge this problem. I often read scotch ride reports (and indeed discussions on this very forum) wondering if our northern members are using a foreign language.
If any of our southern cousins requires a translation..... you don't want to know. :hand:
But on balance, I like it this way. It gives an extra exotic edge to tales from the north. If I do a scotch event I anticipate hints of foreign culture; folks talking funny, dressing even odder, and trying to sell me stuff - but all with a smile on their faces.
My vast language skills have allowed me to pick up the general sense of McNasty's accounts; enough, as you say, to know when it's best not to read further.
Post by: LindaG on 10 November, 2010, 12:41:21 pm
Post by: Baggy on 10 November, 2010, 01:11:17 pm
Post by: MattH on 10 November, 2010, 01:19:09 pm
Unfortunately I don't have one of the "Limited special editions", mine has all the correct pages.
A quick flick through (checking page numbers) reveals that I've finally made centrefold, in a ménage à trois with Jo and Hummers on top of me. Readers of a nervous disposition may wish to skip those pages :)
Post by: jogler on 10 November, 2010, 02:57:56 pm
Il est arrive! Yay!
moi aussie :thumbsup:
there will be no more work done today ;D
Post by: Jord on 10 November, 2010, 04:21:30 pm
Quote
scotch event
You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!
Mine isn't here yet :(
Post by: Bairn Again on 10 November, 2010, 04:51:53 pm
Maybe this is intended to be like those football card swap games - you have to bring your copy of Arrivee to the AGM or your next rides, and see if you can swap your duplicate pages with other people until you end up with a complete copy :)
(still waiting for mine, but the postman hasn't been yet today).
I imagine that the AGM will be exciting enough without having to bring copies of Arrivee along. ;)
Post by: Redlight on 10 November, 2010, 05:33:41 pm
Quotescotch event
You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!
Mine isn't here yet :(
Nor mine
Rather hoping for some reports of Duttish events organised by Duts people
Post by: Ray 6701 on 10 November, 2010, 05:35:20 pm
Post by: eck on 10 November, 2010, 05:38:04 pm
??? Where's Dutland?Quotescotch event
You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!
Mine isn't here yet :(
Nor mine
Rather hoping for some reports of Duttish events organised by Duts people
Anyway, I just took it to be a rather poor attempt at trolling, posted on the wrong board. ;)
Post by: MSeries on 10 November, 2010, 06:22:05 pm
Post by: jogler on 10 November, 2010, 06:43:34 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
yhpm
Post by: DanialW on 10 November, 2010, 07:06:40 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
Dunnit just
Post by: Karla on 10 November, 2010, 09:03:47 pm
Post by: DanialW on 10 November, 2010, 09:31:17 pm
Post by: MSeries on 10 November, 2010, 09:36:58 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
I really like the look of that :thumbsup:
There's a 300 in the final planning stages, same route but without the easy bits. Northallerton-Carlisle-Northallerton. Also I shall split L-C-L into two 200s, L-C and C-L. My first recce for this in 2004 was a one way ride. Train to Carlisle, overnight in the YH, then 200km ride back. (I did it to see if I was fast enough for Audax)
Just need a 600 now, I am thinking of a 200km loop north of Carlisle to make a 600 from Leeds.
Post by: cyclone on 10 November, 2010, 10:11:46 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 10 November, 2010, 10:22:21 pm
Hope that helps a little bit
Post by: Pingu on 10 November, 2010, 11:01:01 pm
Hopefully the postie'll be finished with it soon :demon:
Post by: Hummers on 11 November, 2010, 08:38:40 am
H
Post by: cyclone on 11 November, 2010, 08:56:16 am
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.
H
;D ::-)
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 11 November, 2010, 09:04:50 am
MJ
Missing pages? What about a missing magazine ::-)
Hopefully the postie'll be finished with it soon :demon:
Post by: Hummers on 11 November, 2010, 09:39:26 am
The full page centrefold was spoilt slightly by the presence of two Arrivee pin up wannabees and some sort of scribbled map affair with text in a font size I assume was intended for The Borrowers but I suggest that my loyal fans push through on that score.
Best arrive early to avoid the queues.
H
Post by: ian_oli on 11 November, 2010, 10:49:55 am
After the first few hundred km, I and some others were around 12-18 hours behind for most of the rest of the ride and so our highs and lows were largely reversed. His great food and holiday atmosphere at Bolsano were our 2 in the morning trying to get a couple of hours nap on plastic chairs on in a cold clammy lakeside with continual noise, with only the dreaded rice salad - the thought of it still triggers quesy feelings - to eat before we climbed on our bikes at 4.30.
Once you got out of the flatlands - I agree with Colin they looked much better at night, they looked like a duller version of the Fens in daylight, the scenery was fantastic. It was a shame to have to do any of it by night.
Post by: mattc on 11 November, 2010, 11:54:55 am
Haven't read it all yet, but I've enjoyed the writings of:
Arabella
Ian Lewis (and his attempts to (ab)use an old friend's hospitality! )
Himself
(Of course these were the amusing ones - there is also a place for the mainly informative.)
Post by: Jord on 11 November, 2010, 12:04:54 pm
Post by: LEE on 11 November, 2010, 12:50:37 pm
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.
H
Shouldn't there be a parental advisory on the preceeding page?
Post by: Manotea on 11 November, 2010, 01:02:03 pm
Post by: vorsprung on 11 November, 2010, 01:15:22 pm
Thanks to Martin Tillin for a glowing report on the Avalon Sunrise 400
And to Jaded for the excellent photos of the Avalon Sunrise
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 November, 2010, 01:30:58 pm
Mine arrived yesterday.
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one .....................
In that case there will also be a "Mary Doyle", for they were the only two ladies riding the "Mr. P's Hay-in-a-day" event.
Post by: Datameister on 11 November, 2010, 01:45:31 pm
How long does it take to get a bearing....
Depends on how efficient your GPS is........
Post by: Ian H on 11 November, 2010, 01:47:03 pm
In that case there will also be a "Mary Doyle", for they were the only two ladies riding the "Mr. P's Hay-in-a-day" event.
Yes, Pippa and Mary have transposed bodies (and bikes).
Post by: LindaG on 11 November, 2010, 02:29:55 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 11 November, 2010, 02:56:08 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
I know the editors work very hard to correctly caption the photos but it's not easy for them. They rely on the photographers submitting the pictures, who quite often don't know the riders. Even a query to the Organiser sometimes doesn't help. This leads to the danger that only the same clique of riders get to be included in Arrivee.
I'm not sure what the answer is. We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.
Then of course, some people like to protect their privacy
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 November, 2010, 03:01:25 pm
Post by: ian_oli on 11 November, 2010, 04:07:20 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
I'm not sure what the answer is. We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.
DUnno. If I was mistaken for, say, George Clooney, I'd live with it.
Post by: urban_biker on 11 November, 2010, 04:13:32 pm
The only complaint I have is that I've not managed to get my photo in the mag yet. How many damn SRs do I have to do?
Like most of us on here I only joined AUK for the points and the glory - lets face it all that Long Distance Cycling is pretty boring and the social side - well - you've met those people haven't you?
Post by: ian_oli on 11 November, 2010, 04:49:24 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there? There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
I'm not sure what the answer is. We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.
DUnno. If I was mistaken for, say, George Clooney, I'd live with it.
Actually the best mislabelling was someone who did PBP 2007 described as Donald Sutherland. He did look a bit like him...
Post by: Jaded on 11 November, 2010, 05:28:44 pm
Post by: Karla on 11 November, 2010, 05:37:44 pm
the social side - well - you've met those people haven't you?As little as possible: I intend to do the Eureka as a 200km solo time trial.
See y'all there ;D
Post by: Ashaman42 on 11 November, 2010, 09:27:52 pm
I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
Post by: mikewigley on 11 November, 2010, 10:35:07 pm
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
Who knows? They could be hiding behind a userid. But if you looked them up on audax.uk.net (http://www.audax.uk.net), click on "e-mailing list" and then "Auks on email", you could ask them yourself (whoever you are)
Post by: Grandad on 12 November, 2010, 12:13:08 am
Post by: Ashaman42 on 12 November, 2010, 07:23:52 am
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
Who knows? They could be hiding behind a userid. But if you looked them up on audax.uk.net (http://www.audax.uk.net), click on "e-mailing list" and then "Auks on email", you could ask them yourself (whoever you are)
Good plan. Didn't realise that list was there.
Will do that when I get in from work. Cheers.
Post by: Nuncio on 12 November, 2010, 10:01:36 am
Post by: Paul D on 12 November, 2010, 10:26:34 am
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.
But did they get your name right?
Post by: miniog on 12 November, 2010, 10:46:11 am
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.
But did they get your name right?
They got Nuncio's name right but I was alongside him (well, slightly behind) and they got my name wrong
Post by: mattc on 12 November, 2010, 10:56:06 am
;)
Post by: Jaded on 12 November, 2010, 11:33:29 am
Post by: arvid on 12 November, 2010, 12:27:20 pm
Today I also received the Dutch CTC magazine. And the Dutch human power (recumbent) magazine. And some new advertisements by Rose. This isn't going to help finishing the final version of my Bsc assignment that was due two weeks ago.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 November, 2010, 01:30:35 pm
It's always nice to see a cow in a shot, especially when black and white is part of the composition.
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
Post by: Ivo on 12 November, 2010, 01:45:46 pm
It has arrived in mainland Europe today.
Today I also received the Dutch CTC magazine.
Only north of the rivers obviously. Hasn't arrived yet in the deep south.
Edit: My colleague was a bit late, got my copy late afternoon.
Post by: mikewigley on 12 November, 2010, 02:06:02 pm
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
I was the Organiser of this year's Dark Peak so I think you'll find that it's my Mam Nick
Post by: Tewdric on 12 November, 2010, 02:08:50 pm
Post by: Cyklisten on 12 November, 2010, 03:31:21 pm
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?
umm ... yep! ;D
PM your email address and your name and location in the mag and Mrs Cyklisten will fish out the pix etc.
cheers
P.S. Mrs Cyklisten is now on YACF so you can PM her instead/aswell
Post by: Mrs Cyklisten on 12 November, 2010, 05:27:15 pm
P.S. Mrs Cyklisten is now on YACF so you can PM her instead/aswell
That'll be me then - lurking on the steeper hills in Kent and the South East - and the occasional ford! :demon:
Post by: The Mechanic on 12 November, 2010, 07:04:17 pm
Post by: PloddinPedro on 12 November, 2010, 07:10:50 pm
Are my eyes deceiving me or has Dan Howard on the front cover got his mudguard fittings on the wrong way round. It looks as though he has the quick release thingy on the back and nothing on the front. I think he should be told.He's on fixed with track drop-outs. That way he can dislodge the mudguard stays to pull the wheel out easily. Ideally he'd get a second pair of quick release blocks for the front, but you only get one pair in the box when you buy those 'guards!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 November, 2010, 09:04:27 pm
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
I was the Organiser of this year's Dark Peak so I think you'll find that it's my Mam Nick
I defer to your Droit de Seigneur.
Post by: jogler on 12 November, 2010, 10:53:59 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 13 November, 2010, 12:19:03 am
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?Samyang 8mm. ~=16 on my Olympus. Very pleased with it.
And yes, its really nice not having to bother with focussing the thing.
Post by: Ivo on 13 November, 2010, 03:59:44 am
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?Samyang 8mm. ~=16 on my Olympus. Very pleased with it.
And yes, its really nice not having to bother with focussing the thing.
Samyang builds some nice kit. I have the 1.4/85, stunning concert lens.
Post by: Bairn Again on 14 November, 2010, 06:43:44 pm
Id like a proper one.
Happy to send mine back to prove that its useless.
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2010, 01:20:31 pm
what light is that, and how has he attached it in the presence of a dual-pivot brake?
[can't see a dynamo]
Post by: vorsprung on 15 November, 2010, 01:32:18 pm
Cover star query:
what light is that, and how has he attached it in the presence of a dual-pivot brake?
[can't see a dynamo]
What light? It looks like a IQ Fly
How is it attached? Look at the bracket underneath this Cyo
(http://www.bumm.de/docu/grafiken/175qc.jpg)
The bolt attaching the brake to the fork goes through the bracket
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2010, 01:36:10 pm
So well done Lumotec, but something that would require some DIY to use for other makes of light. (cont. in some lighting thread somewhere ... )
Post by: MattH on 15 November, 2010, 03:58:34 pm
I don't think it would have needed modifying for use with my other dual pivot calipers.
(http://haigh.org/brake-light.jpg)
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2010, 06:01:47 pm
I looked on the PeterWhite site (where you can buy all this stuff), and it looks like your bracket causes problems if one has:
- proper* mudguards, and/or
- proper* fork crown
I might thus need one of these:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/images/products/Lights/B&Mcyomounts1.jpg
Also:
these are all designed for dynamo lights (I think); 4xAA lights have a lot more mass, presumably this will increase fatigue issues ... ? [not that there aren't other sorts of battery light I could use]
*by proper I mean old-fashioned, retro, 20th C , etc ... :)
Post by: MattH on 15 November, 2010, 06:54:32 pm
I've been using an Ixon IQ on mine (big 4xAA light), but not for long enough to get any longevity feel. It is sold by B&M for use with their Ixon battery lights (towards the bottom of this page (http://www.bumm.de/docu/zubehoer6-e.htm)), so I hope they've got it right. For scale, the wire used is 5mm diameter.
With "proper" mudguards (SKS), and fork crown (this is my Thorn Audax Mk3) the pretty identical Cyo bracket looks like this:-
(http://haigh.org/mk3brake-light.jpg)
Fairly tight, although there is a couple of mm clearance between the bracket and headset and the light could actually move down a bit more to give greater clearance.
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2010, 07:05:02 pm
Post by: simonp on 15 November, 2010, 07:29:17 pm
Post by: Dinamo on 15 November, 2010, 07:35:05 pm
Just checked with Mrs Dinamo, can't ride in 2011 holiday already booked :(
So have negotiated clearance to ride it in 2012 ;D
Post by: rottenhat on 17 November, 2010, 11:38:26 am
I've been using an Ixon IQ on mine (big 4xAA light), but not for long enough to get any longevity feel. It is sold by B&M for use with their Ixon battery lights (towards the bottom of this page (http://www.bumm.de/docu/zubehoer6-e.htm)), so I hope they've got it right. For scale, the wire used is 5mm diameter.
Alas and alack, they have not - mine snapped in two a few weeks ago after a mere five or six months of use. I will admit that Irish roads are rough as bejasus but I used to take the light off the bracket during the day to get rid of the rattling noise so it didn't even have the weight of the light on it for much of the time. And after bouncing off the tarmac, the Ixon has become distinctly erratic in its operations...bah, there is a dynamo setup in my future.
Post by: NeilP on 18 November, 2010, 09:26:57 pm
Post by: Somnolent on 26 November, 2010, 10:47:25 am
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members? My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
Well done for spreading the word. There's a PM on its way telling you how to add them. Everything is possible
No PM received yet.
Post by: SandyV on 03 December, 2010, 11:06:01 am
Post by: GrahamG on 03 December, 2010, 03:17:03 pm
The Schmidt EDelux is also supplied with the same bracket. It's much better than the standard brackets B&M used to offer made from folded cheese.
I just use the old style bracket as it's impossible to fit the fat one to bike with calipers, mud guards and a carbon fork - even the longest dedicated recessed allen nut I could find (over an inch!) was useless. Never had one fail but then an IQ cyo weighs nothing.
Post by: Martin on 06 January, 2011, 12:58:26 pm
I know from experience with a caving club newsletter that the admin required between members who do / don't want a printed copy is often more hassle and not a lot of saving than just sending them one anyway.
Also; I would not bother reading half of it if I had to read it online, a printed copy whiles away a couple of hours train commuting. And the pictures look better :)
Post by: Jord on 06 January, 2011, 01:11:04 pm
Post by: Billy Weir on 06 January, 2011, 01:19:09 pm
Seems like a sensible way forward to me. I'd probably take advantage of the archive (particularly if it is set up such that you can search for keywords and events, albeit possibly a big undertaking for a volunteer organisation).
Post by: Jaded on 06 January, 2011, 01:31:33 pm
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 06 January, 2011, 01:36:14 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
"...password protected area..." It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available. I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
Post by: Manotea on 06 January, 2011, 01:36:46 pm
Post by: Jaded on 06 January, 2011, 01:38:56 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
"...password protected area..." It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available. I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
Oh, if we are talking about 100 years old issues, that's fine.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 06 January, 2011, 01:47:08 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.
I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
"...password protected area..." It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available. I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
Oh, if we are talking about 100 years old issues, that's fine.
Given that Audax UK didn't exist 40 years ago, that would be a bit difficult. Read what I actually wrote again.
Post by: Jaded on 06 January, 2011, 01:48:53 pm
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 January, 2011, 11:08:47 am
Post by: cyclone on 07 January, 2011, 11:23:50 am
The advantage of a printed version is that you can read it in the bath.
Amen to that! :thumbsup:
Post by: frankly frankie on 07 January, 2011, 01:10:13 pm
Post by: urban_biker on 07 January, 2011, 01:47:28 pm
Post by: Feline on 07 January, 2011, 02:35:42 pm
Post by: Salvatore on 02 February, 2011, 11:13:16 am
I'm currently reliving HBKH through Richard Thomas' eyes.
Post by: Somnolent on 02 February, 2011, 11:45:27 am
And - handbook, just realised I got a Randonneur 500 in my first season !
Post by: mattc on 02 February, 2011, 12:57:08 pm
Edition 111 has just arrived.Should we stand on 1 leg?
Highlight so far is Denise Noha's "anyone got a comb?" moment.
(But why is John Hamilton's teenage son in the AGM awards picture?)
EDIT: Oooh, and a mini-ride-report of my 400. How exciting! Thanks George.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 02 February, 2011, 01:59:25 pm
Post by: Peter on 02 February, 2011, 02:03:13 pm
Edition 111 has just arrived.Should we stand on 1 leg?
Your obscure reference to cricket umpire David Shepherd (RIP) is understood by no-one.....
Post by: Jaded on 02 February, 2011, 02:14:16 pm
I understood it!
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2011, 02:20:30 pm
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2011, 02:59:15 pm
here endeth today's office work
Post by: Manotea on 02 February, 2011, 03:13:18 pm
I didn't know Pat Kenny but there was no doubt where his heart lay.
Post by: Peter on 02 February, 2011, 05:32:45 pm
Post by: Mad Jack on 02 February, 2011, 06:02:45 pm
Looks as if the last page on my copy ends un numbered on the Calendar (could be 68).
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2011, 06:37:18 pm
same here on both points
still an excellent mag..
Post by: Tewdric on 02 February, 2011, 07:17:17 pm
just realised I got a Randonneur 500 in my first season !
Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Post by: L CC on 02 February, 2011, 07:27:21 pm
"I've found you!"
"I've found you again!"
"I've found you again!"
We could be here a while.
Post by: mattc on 02 February, 2011, 07:41:19 pm
This Brevet 1000 thing. was it created to stop people getting past 200k? Or to make riders of 'proper' long-distance hang out with the newbies on the short events?
[some of this post may be tongue-in-cheek]
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 02 February, 2011, 07:45:12 pm
...or do small things please small minds like mine :)
Post by: mmmmartin on 02 February, 2011, 08:22:46 pm
Post by: αdαmsκι on 02 February, 2011, 08:22:48 pm
I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass andColin Bezant'sTOBY's account of the Cambrian Series 8A.
Not Colin's report.
I am looking forward to reading the 8A account. Nicely lay out of the article :thumbsup:.
Er, anyone else missing the back cover with Abraham Cohen riding- Mad Jack Grimpeur ???
Looks as if the last page on my copy ends un numbered on the Calendar (could be 68).
Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 02 February, 2011, 08:46:35 pm
Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
I suspect that was a AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
Post by: Martin on 02 February, 2011, 08:54:55 pm
Nice to see another of inside the mag; although I could not find Abe anywhere ???
Post by: Deano on 02 February, 2011, 09:01:39 pm
I don't know whether it is my imagination but has the format of Arrivee experienced a subtle change in formatting. I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass and Colin Bezant's account of the Cambrian Series 8A. Anyway, I thought that the greater incorporation of good quality photographs juxtaposed against the coloured paper was far more pleasing to the eye than the conventional use of voluminous text on white paper.
...or do small things please small minds like mine :)
I agree - I found it much more pleasing to read.
I've counted 7 mentions of me in the handbook so far. Could have been a couple more if I'd bothered with the admin. And one mention in the magazine, if you know what you're looking for..
Post by: αdαmsκι on 02 February, 2011, 09:22:35 pm
I suspect that was a AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
Ah, yes.
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 February, 2011, 10:09:21 pm
Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Yes congratuations to all that got mentioned in despatches.
Mrs BlackSheep's a bit :( (disapointed her Ultra Randonneur got missed).
As did another lady I believe, there's not that many of them on the list.
Post by: red marley on 02 February, 2011, 11:34:00 pm
* I've no idea who The Recorder is, but I have an image of a St Peter like bearded fellow with a long ostrich quill who totals up each Auk's sins and good deeds in two columns of a large dusty ledger.
Post by: Tewdric on 02 February, 2011, 11:39:50 pm
Mrs BlackSheep's a bit :( (disapointed her Ultra Randonneur got missed).
I suggest a presentation on the startline of the Bryan Chapman. That is no mean achievement.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 03 February, 2011, 12:07:42 am
Post by: hellymedic on 03 February, 2011, 12:23:35 am
Post by: Alouicious on 03 February, 2011, 06:55:38 am
I searched in vain for my name under Brevet 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 only to realise that "claims must be made to the recorder*", which I failed to do. I've only recently started to tot up my past rides and realise it is my fault as I should have read the instructions, but given all the relevant rides are on the database, could not these multi-year awards be calculated automatically? Presumably when a submission is made to the recorder, they have to be validated against the database anyway.
* I've no idea who The Recorder is, but I have an image of a St Peter like bearded fellow with a long ostrich quill who totals up each Auk's sins and good deeds in two columns of a large dusty ledger.
I'm noted down for a Brevet 500 AND a Brevet 1000, which I didn't claim because I was accumulating 100s for a Brevet 2000. ?? So I assumed it was automatic.....
I sent for the Brevet 2000 Badge during 10/11 season using 100 km rides from 09/10 and 10/11 seasons. I am waiting for one card to return to claim my Brevet 500 ( all in 10/11 season ), and have two 100s finished but not yet accredited for my Brevet 1000.
After the Brevet 1000 is done, I am on to a Brevet 3000 during 10/11, 11/12 & 12/13 seasons.
What will be in the 11/12 Handbook? Not a Brevet 2000.....
Post by: cyclone on 03 February, 2011, 09:50:41 am
Post by: saturn on 03 February, 2011, 09:55:06 am
On the first occasion I did do something of any note (new randonneur) I missed out because somebody with the same name had already done it once - always a risk with a name like Smith ;)
Not complaining mind you, it doesn't matter of course, I'm never going to do anything that important.
Post by: vorsprung on 03 February, 2011, 10:10:59 am
Post by: Greenbank on 03 February, 2011, 10:14:01 am
It's very automatic - I'm listed for a randonneur 500
The Randonneur awards are automatic since they only span one season and that's quite easy to code.
The Brevet awards can span multiple seasons and must be claimed. Not all of them are that easy to automate.
Post by: Martin on 03 February, 2011, 10:23:20 am
Post by: arabella on 03 February, 2011, 10:38:35 am
The Brevet awards can span multiple seasons and must be claimed. Not all of them are that easy to automate.This. They only list the single season version in the handbook anyway - I have a lovely purple brevet 4000 badge waiting for younger guy to grow out of the purple* fleece I want to sew it on.
Recorder is Nevill Holgate (check inside cover of handbook). email worked fine for me and then I just sent the cheque for agreed £££.
*actually his favourite colour is pink. Taller guy's favourite colour is purple.
Post by: GrahamG on 03 February, 2011, 10:38:50 am
Post by: mmmmartin on 03 February, 2011, 11:09:38 am
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were. And I've had my name in print thousands of times. But Arrivee, somehow, is special. Congratulations to all who put it together. It's a cracking product.
Post by: Alouicious on 03 February, 2011, 12:37:17 pm
Once with my original, first membership number, and then again with a new number in 2004.
Post by: Nuncio on 03 February, 2011, 12:43:29 pm
My name made in the 'new randonneurs' list after my first 200k last season :D Made me feel special.If you never turn a pedal again you're still a randonneur for the rest of your life. Neither genocide nor gross moral turpitude are enough for you to be de-randonneured.
Post by: Jord on 03 February, 2011, 03:24:13 pm
Post by: GrahamG on 03 February, 2011, 03:31:21 pm
I'm on the front cover :) :)
Now that is a claim to fame - you'll have to frame it! ... a claim to frame?
Post by: jogler on 03 February, 2011, 03:33:10 pm
I'm on the front cover :) :)
:thumbsup:
I recognised you when received it
Post by: Ray 6701 on 03 February, 2011, 03:51:02 pm
Post by: Mad Jack on 03 February, 2011, 06:16:42 pm
Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
I suspect that was a AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
OK thanks chaps, I didn't want to be left out.
Made interesting reading the Sec notes on Accidental information-
5/6/10, 600km 1 rider off- likely chav attack!
Also the amount of off's due to bunch pille up's- all those wheel suckers :o
Post by: Hot Flatus on 03 February, 2011, 06:19:43 pm
What sort of careless twat would do that?
Post by: Ray 6701 on 03 February, 2011, 07:24:40 pm
What about-Lost control and crashed into a tree!
That's gonna leave a bruise in the morning!! :'(
If you read about Gerald Woodley on page 11 of Arrivée, you will see how unfunny that is.
Post by: Mad Jack on 03 February, 2011, 11:20:45 pm
If you read about Gerald Woodley on page 11 of Arrivée, you will see how unfunny that is.
I'm not laughing. Glad GW is OK. The stat for 2010 shows nothing reported in the respect of any collision with trees.
Not a fan of Badgers btw, got knocked for 6 a few years back and was unconscious for 10 minutes in the road, thanks to those that were in the small group, they had me whisked away to hospital, bruised and battered.
Post by: Feline on 04 February, 2011, 12:46:12 am
Post by: Ray 6701 on 04 February, 2011, 12:58:45 am
I'm pretty sure Andy S- inc Mad Jack didn't mean anything by his post as no cyclist would if they knew what had happened & my post was made in the heat of the moment.
Edit: Can we leave it at that please.
Thanks!
Post by: Billy Weir on 04 February, 2011, 08:25:08 am
"Warning: you may encounter chavs on route. These viscious beasties are tempermental and can lash out without warning. If you approach a chav, do not stop to take pictures or feed it energy bars. If you want to observe a chav, I suggest visiting the Chav Zoo, also known as your local nick"
on all my rider notes.
Post by: Martin on 04 February, 2011, 09:16:07 am
(ducks)
Post by: Billy Weir on 04 February, 2011, 09:24:48 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 04 February, 2011, 09:28:24 am
Recorder is Nevill Holgate (check inside cover of handbook). email worked fine for me and then I just sent the cheque for agreed £££.
Just for info - Nev is on a 'long break' at the moment, and probably won't be dealing with any enquiries before April.
Post by: Somnolent on 04 February, 2011, 10:03:18 am
Post by: DanialW on 04 February, 2011, 10:14:21 am
Post by: Salvatore on 04 February, 2011, 11:00:52 am
ROFL at John Spooner's deadpan description of transit of Place de l'Etoile, at Rush Hour, with a Flemish routesheet.
Why not try it for yourself. Starts on Woensdag 6 juli. Details here. (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/31)
Post by: Nonsteeler on 04 February, 2011, 12:52:14 pm
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.
I probably should keep quite otherwise my plans for next year's cheap ego boost are blown BUT has anyone noticed that it requires a meagre two points to be listed in the 'Fixed Wheel Challenge' section? I need urgently a FWC brevet card because last year I did 6 points undocumented on a fixed gear and hence now I am missing out on a vital ego boost ;).
Post by: Greenbank on 04 February, 2011, 12:56:09 pm
Made me feel specialIsn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.
I probably should keep quite otherwise my plans for next year's cheap ego boost are blown BUT has anyone noticed that it requires a meagre two points to be listed in the 'Fixed Wheel Challenge' section? I need urgently a FWC brevet card because last year I did 6 points undocumented on a fixed gear and hence now I am missing out on a vital ego boost ;).
It's only guaranteed if you've got at least (I think) 12 points. A lack of great participation means that RP has the space to list all. I didn't bother claiming as I only got 2 points last year.
Reminds me though, need to send off for FWC and SFW cards...
Post by: DrMekon on 04 February, 2011, 01:18:37 pm
I'm still gobsmacked at Denise Noha's LEL ride report. What a superstar.
That and George Hanna's account of recovering from cancer were both so inspirational, I'm going to lend this issue out at work. Wonderful stuff.
Post by: Martin on 04 February, 2011, 02:26:49 pm
Redhill and Reigate. It's like Morlocks and Eloi.
what does that make Crawley? and who plays Jeremy Irons' Uber Morlock?
Post by: Mad Jack on 04 February, 2011, 05:34:48 pm
I'm pretty sure Andy S- inc Mad Jack didn't mean anything by his post as no cyclist would if they knew what had happened & my post was made in the heat of the moment.OK, I Have removed my original quote, sorry if it caused any upset etc, I had not read further into the magazine and did not know about GW's off, Yes I too hope he make a full recovery.
Edit: Can we leave it at that please.
Thanks!
Post by: border-rider on 07 February, 2011, 06:32:49 pm
£10 registration fee per event for organisers (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=43740.0)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 13 February, 2011, 12:35:29 pm
I enjoyed reading the article about being unemployed and touring scotland in 1931+1 :thumbsup:
Post by: border-rider on 13 February, 2011, 12:38:02 pm
Post by: Jaded on 06 May, 2011, 12:09:57 pm
Lots of familiar names and faces.
Post by: DanialW on 06 May, 2011, 12:20:51 pm
And I am just filing out my survey.
Lots of familiar names and faces.
Ah yes, the survey. Need to do something about that...
Post by: Jaded on 06 May, 2011, 12:22:36 pm
Post by: DanialW on 06 May, 2011, 12:23:15 pm
Can it be done on line?
Yes. Full details to follow as soon as I pull my finger out.
Post by: dasmoth on 06 May, 2011, 12:24:28 pm
Can it be done on line?
Yes. Full details to follow as soon as I pull my finger out.
Phew, was just about to ask them same.
Might be interesting to see if there's a difference in profiles between online and dead-trees respondents...
Post by: mattc on 06 May, 2011, 12:37:51 pm
One group will have stronger feelings about just how necessary Paypal entry is.
</mystic meg>
Post by: jimbhoy on 06 May, 2011, 12:47:00 pm
Post by: Jamiem on 06 May, 2011, 01:26:26 pm
When was the last/latest mag sent out ? it's been ages since i've had a copy of Arrivee.Start of Feb
Post by: border-rider on 06 May, 2011, 02:10:24 pm
Post by: Ray 6701 on 06 May, 2011, 02:10:45 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 06 May, 2011, 03:00:45 pm
Post by: dasmoth on 06 May, 2011, 03:01:56 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 06 May, 2011, 03:02:36 pm
Post by: GrahamG on 06 May, 2011, 03:52:56 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 06 May, 2011, 03:59:18 pm
I think it was being added to the organisers' flyer that is sent to organisers along with Arrivee, I don't think it was going in the main magazine.
P.S. This may change if the info is only just making it out to organisers now (other than the email to the Regional Events Secs) but uptake of my offer so far: 0
Post by: TOBY on 06 May, 2011, 05:19:52 pm
Post by: Paul D on 06 May, 2011, 05:22:53 pm
I think it's time for an email to the editor to avoid three editions in a row for my Mille Cymru mugshot with Jamie's name underneath.
Shame for Jamie more than me I guess; it's adorning his article.
(I did insist on seeing mine before it went to the printers in case it said Jamie at the top)
Dear Arrivee
After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.
I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.
I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.
Frustrated of Dorset
Post by: MattH on 06 May, 2011, 05:55:37 pm
fantastic photo of Jamie and his write up
Did you notice the photo of your old Raleigh (albeit only teasing glimpses)? Bet you never thought that machine would make it into Arrivee :)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 May, 2011, 06:29:05 pm
Post by: Manotea on 06 May, 2011, 07:12:24 pm
Post by: mattc on 06 May, 2011, 07:17:14 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
You don't know, man. You weren't there!
Post by: Paul D on 06 May, 2011, 07:25:52 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
To clarify my comment above: the training article is Jamie's, it's just the photo of me (and Toby) they've used thinking it was him (the same as the last issue).
My article is the Wee Jaunt Round Scotland DIY 1300.
Post by: Alouicious on 06 May, 2011, 07:42:02 pm
And I am just filing out my survey.
Lots of familiar names and faces.
Ah yes, the survey. Need to do something about that...
Filling mine out now.
"Additional verbatim" is now on its fourth side of Foolscap.
Post by: TOBY on 06 May, 2011, 07:43:08 pm
Haven't had chance to spot the old pursuit yet matt now that is i surprise! Jamies not riding it is he?
Post by: PAC on 06 May, 2011, 07:51:33 pm
Congratulations to SimonB who has also found stardom with a full quarter of the inside back page :thumbsup:
Post by: Chris N on 06 May, 2011, 07:53:23 pm
My article is the Wee Jaunt Round Scotland DIY 1300.
And very good it is too. :thumbsup:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 May, 2011, 07:59:15 pm
;D
Post by: Manotea on 06 May, 2011, 08:03:45 pm
Anyone else thinks Paul D looks like a monkey in that photo?
;D
Don't you mean Jamie?
Post by: JohnHamilton on 06 May, 2011, 08:13:30 pm
Did any organisers get anything about my offer to help with GPX files? (Offer: GPX tracks of routesheets (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45297.0))
I think it was being added to the organisers' flyer that is sent to organisers along with Arrivee, I don't think it was going in the main magazine.
P.S. This may change if the info is only just making it out to organisers now (other than the email to the Regional Events Secs) but uptake of my offer so far: 0
I didn't see it, although I did send it to Tim for inclusion.
(BTW there is no extra newsletter sent to organisers, just the bit in the official pages in the main magazine. The events team also send out an email newsletter, usually just after each committee meeting and it'll certainly be included in that).
IME there's a lot of organisers don't seem to actually read either... not everyone is as well "organised" as those organisers frequenting this parish.
Post by: zigzag on 06 May, 2011, 08:15:36 pm
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 06 May, 2011, 08:19:56 pm
Must be a non cycling postie now
Post by: simonp on 06 May, 2011, 08:25:15 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
I was riding 1500 miles a month in the run-up. Do you think I did that just for kicks?
Post by: Uncle Eric on 06 May, 2011, 09:39:23 pm
that a 200k randonee is similar to running a marathon.
I've done 14 marathons, 4 stand-alone and 9 as part of Ironman triathlons.
Fastest stand-alone 3.04 and fastest in Ironman 3.25. Last one in 2002.
Since then I've gained 2 stone in body weight. Started
biking again 3 years ago. Last year between Jan and Aug did
2 600s, 3 400s, 3 300s and a number of 200s, and a number of non-Audax
centuries. Without killing myself. Compared to during my years as a
triathlete I haven't really felt that fit. And have remained quite, uh,
heavy-weighted. At the moment the thought of running a marathon
is overwhelming. But biking a 200k, no problems. And doing the same
number of marathons as I did 200k+ rides last year seems way harder.
Even if just jogging slow.
Anyone else been in both worlds and have thoughts of that type of
comparisons?
<Subsequent posts moved to this thread> Cycling distance equivalent to running a marathon? (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31379.0)
The Movers
Post by: DrMekon on 06 May, 2011, 10:01:11 pm
Post by: jogler on 07 May, 2011, 12:11:35 pm
I shall watch the feetball & read Arrivee simultaneously.Male mult-tasking FTW ;D
Post by: Noodley on 07 May, 2011, 12:31:37 pm
Post by: Baggy on 07 May, 2011, 01:23:17 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D
Post by: welshwheels on 07 May, 2011, 01:36:26 pm
Post by: mattc on 07 May, 2011, 01:59:22 pm
Post by: Noodley on 07 May, 2011, 02:39:35 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D
In that case I must go and retrieve it from the
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2011, 11:01:55 am
Outer Londonton is a big challenge for the Royal Mail...
Post by: Ray 6701 on 08 May, 2011, 02:45:37 pm
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
Post by: Paul D on 08 May, 2011, 03:38:21 pm
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
It was a laff.
I believe you were the man/group who pipped us for a mention in the handbook, with your 1400 End to End. :-*
Post by: DanialW on 08 May, 2011, 03:48:23 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2011, 03:52:59 pm
Post by: Ray 6701 on 08 May, 2011, 04:43:49 pm
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
It was a laff.
I believe you were the man/group who pipped us for a mention in the handbook, with your 1400 End to End. :-*
Guilty as charged, me & datameister rode it together + there were 2 others (bendy bianchi being one) who rode it solo :o
Post by: DanialW on 08 May, 2011, 04:49:25 pm
Haven't got mine yet so can't comment but surely it reflects the quality of contributions, many of which are from this parish...
Partly. One of the articles is clearly an in-house job; not the sort of thing that would be sent in. There's also a good variety of photos, rather than pages of different riders taken at the same point.
That's not to say that there hasn't been a significant input from the membership. There has, and it's high-quality. In fact, I know that there's one submission that didn't make this edition, which hopefully means there's competition for space. This is a Good Thing.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 May, 2011, 04:58:06 pm
Post by: ulfson70 on 08 May, 2011, 05:06:49 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2011, 05:12:58 pm
A noted continental randonneur once expressed bemusement at the learned journal style of Arrivée. Their national mags were club newsletters. I think we should go for more pieces with footnotes and a bibliography. We might also style it as 'The Journal of Abnormal Cycling', and institute a formal peer-review system.
I'm not that constipated.
Yet!
Post by: mmmmartin on 08 May, 2011, 05:25:09 pm
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!IMHO it is easily as good as the "professional" magazines - which TBH I never ever buy or look at because they are full of advice as to what bike to buy (I've got one, thanks) or which waterproof is better than another one made of the same stuff. Arrivee is the one mag I read cover to cover and then put on the shelf to keep and go back to. The only other mag I get is the Radio Times and if I had to pick one it'd be Arrivee.
So Danial, the answer to your question is Yes.
Post by: border-rider on 08 May, 2011, 07:10:25 pm
Questionnaire in Arrivée (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47177.0)
Post by: Billy Weir on 08 May, 2011, 07:59:08 pm
Post by: Bones on 08 May, 2011, 09:03:46 pm
Post by: Feline on 08 May, 2011, 09:37:15 pm
Post by: valkyrie on 08 May, 2011, 10:42:15 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.
It's mostly of interest to Audaxers rather than folks who whizz round wooden tracks at high speed. I imagine there'll be a track cycling association magazine out there full of random pictures of folk on bikes, but without the possibility of interesting backgrounds.
Post by: Alouicious on 09 May, 2011, 07:00:30 am
I'm being 'Devil's advocate' here because this large demograph of AUK membership don't know about this web forum, and simply enjoy Calendar Populaires.
I've been told there's about 200 AUK members contribute to this forum. Hey, that leaves 4000 who don't.
According to rides stats, the 'daytime' riders get the majority of Accriditations.
No. I'm NOT the 'Devil's advocate'! I'm 'Vox populi'.
Post by: Jasmine on 09 May, 2011, 07:32:19 am
There isn't a "Populaires" section this quarter, so its of little interest to the three thousand or more members who only ride 'Daytime' pops ( and the occasional 200 ).
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AUK can only publish reports that people send in. Surely the lack of Pops section is because no one who rode those pops wrote a report about them?
Post by: Billy Weir on 09 May, 2011, 07:34:24 am
edit: wot jasmine said
Post by: Alouicious on 09 May, 2011, 07:43:51 am
In this edition ( 112 ), a lot of pages are filled with 'Preparing for PBP'.
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
The magazine is for showing nice colourful photos and printing ride reports, so we can show our mates at work and home what a wonderful time we had.
When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 May, 2011, 08:21:12 am
Some folk on this forum were formerly very active AUKs but can no longer ride the events, but are still interested and have good advice to give.
I can't see that there's much to write about with a 100k ride. Yes, it's a good ride and it's a long way for some, but it's still only 100k. You do get a few good stories from the shorter rides, I just don't think they have the scope for adventure that the long rides do.
Tim Wainwright is always after photos for Arrivee, I'm sure that he does have time for photos of you Alouicious, he can only print what he is sent. Or maybe you're just plain ugly? :P ;D
Post by: border-rider on 09 May, 2011, 08:30:28 am
When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Many 100s are regularly featured in the magazine. My suspicion is that if more people sent in write-ups of them then even more would be.
PBP is the big happening for AUK this year, as LEL will be in 2013, and it's going to get appropriate coverage.
Alouicious, if you don't like what's there why not write some stuff for it yourself ?
Post by: marcusjb on 09 May, 2011, 08:36:52 am
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
I am not sure I believe that to be true. Sure, it is of interest to people like myself working on riding PBP for the first time; but, I find the advice within the article to be of interest to anyone riding audax. Much of the advice is sensible solid advice that transfers whether you are considering the jump from 100km to 200km events or PBP itself.
It's all sensible stuff about being comfy on the bike, not faffing at controls etc. and that applies whether you are riding a 100km just as much as a 1200km. Sure some of it is specific to PBP, but not enough to make it of interest exclusively toPBP hopefuls.
Post by: border-rider on 09 May, 2011, 08:40:16 am
Post by: YahudaMoon on 09 May, 2011, 08:47:44 am
Who's cycling to the start for PBP then ? and back again. I see Mr Steve Abraham is looking for some cycling nut jobs to take on his mad venture.
Post by: nmcgann on 09 May, 2011, 08:51:16 am
AUK is the Long Distance Cycliss Asociation. Surely it's membership is interested in long distance cycling, even if they can't or don't want to ride the longer events themselves for whatever reason?
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+1. I haven't done an audax for a while as I'm exclusively focussed on TTs these days and I'd never do one over 200k anyway, but I enjoyed this edition. The PBP stuff and the Australia report was v interesting and I always enjoy the "epic ride" reports, especially when they are overseas.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 09 May, 2011, 08:55:14 am
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future. If not for PBP then maybe LEL2013 or just to ride a bit further next year !
Indeed. When I first started Audaxing I hadn't even heard of PBP. Nor did I even think 600k rides were a feasible thing for me to do. I'm sure for most of us who do longer rides, it has been a progressive thing. You, Alouicious, have chosen not to progress. Which is fine.
Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.
Post by: oldpeddler on 09 May, 2011, 09:05:43 am
I certainly wouldn't be able to write articles if I was riding 200s or more. I'd be too knackered ;D ;D
Post by: Jaded on 09 May, 2011, 09:08:21 am
The combination of the magazine, this forum and its predecessor and helpfulness from organisers and riders have moved me on (slowly) from a every nervy 100km in Jan 2007 (my first ever ride of 100km) to someone with double figures points for this season and my first 300km, someone who is happy to volunteer too for controls etc, and someone who has a vague notion that LEL might be achievable.
Yes, Arrivée is full of photos of odd-looking people doing stupid rides, but that's you lot, that is!
Post by: jogler on 09 May, 2011, 09:22:11 am
Well, I think it is an extraordinary magazine for a low budget organisation run by volunteers and it is produced 4 times a year!
Well said that man. :thumbsup:
Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.
two comments that put a clear perspective on the magazine's contributions to long distance riding
Post by: shyumu on 09 May, 2011, 09:23:39 am
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them. It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride. I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open. I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read. I'm inspired to ride the same route - just not to the same schedule.
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Post by: Greenbank on 09 May, 2011, 10:28:58 am
I'm being 'Devil's advocate' here because this large demograph of AUK membership don't know about this web forum
It's mentioned on the inside back cover of the Handbook on the 'AUK On-line' page.
Post by: Jamiem on 09 May, 2011, 10:32:46 am
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them. It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.Totally agree!
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Post by: Billy Weir on 09 May, 2011, 10:38:32 am
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future.
It works. I read the articles and found myself a little bit disappointed that I wasn't going to be experiencing PBP this year. Still, 2016 is only 4 and a bit years away. Something to look forward to.
Post by: Wothill on 09 May, 2011, 12:19:46 pm
Exactly right. Arrive is the only magazine which I always read from cover to cover. It's not only because the articles match my interests in cycling, it's also because it draws from a very knowledgeable pool of writers who are writing because they have something to say (be it amusing, enthralling, descriptive, informative, etc) rather than because they have to write 5 reviews a week and the next piece just perms the words they used for the last piece substituting appropriately for the new bit of gear being reviewed this time.
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there,
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Post by: Alouicious on 09 May, 2011, 12:33:10 pm
4200 members. How much is that as a membership fee income.
AUK make money on the cards they sell to organisers, together with a £10 reg fee for their event.
Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
AUK and the organiser are both making money.
I'm sorry again. 100 km and 150 km Calendar events is where the money is, not the smaller numbers of 400s and 600s.
I ask, where would AUK be now without the 100 and 150 km Calendar events organised year in, year out?
Why do you think the Brevet Series was devised? It was because there were so many members who didn't fancy riding 300, 400 and 600 for a SR.
I spent ten years with Audax before I got round to riding a 300. There are so many badges to collect by riding Pops alone.
The contributors on this web forum are a special breed. They, like me, are passionate about AUK and they progress rapidly because that's what they want to do.
The remaining 4000 AUK members who don't post on this forum, I can only think they make up the thousands of 100 km ( 9000 ish ) riders each year.
If anyone was to say "There will be no 100km rides as from 1/11/11", half the membership would disappear.
AUK have set themselves up to be the No. 1 Ultracycling club in this Nation.
What do they do next?
Come a hard line and only permit rides of 200km and longer, or promote more Populaires?
The questionaire is to looksee the intent of the membership.
If the majority of the membership show themselves to be 'dayride' entrants, AUK must bend with the wind and cater more for them.
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 12:45:53 pm
As a prospective PBPer, articles that include the magic phrase 'by now you should have' have certainly given me cause for thought!
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 12:52:51 pm
If the majority of the membership show themselves to be 'dayride' entrants, AUK must bend with the wind and cater more for them.
but a 200km is a dayride...I wasn't aware that AUK & Organisers were in it for the money.
I believe one of the questionnaire questions is ' do you believe there are enough awards for shorter events. It's nice to know that at least one BPer feels they are fully catered for.
Post by: CrinklyLion on 09 May, 2011, 12:55:10 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Post by: Wobbly on 09 May, 2011, 12:55:28 pm
As others have said, if you want to read about more BPs in Arrivée then get off your backside and write some. I did.
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 09 May, 2011, 12:58:53 pm
This is open question and a thought, if Arrivee included shorter articles, would more people be prepared to include articles? At the moment many of the articles are fairly lengthy, sometimes contain many good photographs and indicate a great deal effort by the authors in writing essay length texts. But does this deter people who may wish to write something snappier? That could go someway towards encouraing authors to write about BPs, non LEL articles, etc.
PS. I still enjoy reading the magazine and in no way are my comments above a criticism of current authors, editors, etc.
PPS. I also assume that there is no policy against short brief articles.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 May, 2011, 01:03:03 pm
Who's cycling to the start for PBP then ? and back again. I see Mr Steve Abraham is looking for some cycling nut jobs to take on his mad venture.
If I get around the Clawwd offa 600k & qualify I will be riding out & back as it will be the only way I can afford to do it. 400k over 3 days is not going to make a great deal of difference is it really.
Post by: Martin on 09 May, 2011, 01:07:58 pm
Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
if you know anyone who does after paying all the upfront costs hall hire food and then taking the helpers out for a meal please let me know; I'd love to pick their brains ;)
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 01:11:07 pm
Thinking back, for example, to an edition of the Elinith a few years back, I'm sure readers would be more interested in the Hen Party dressed as bunny girls circulating round the square then what I bought from the co-op for lunch!
Post by: David Martin on 09 May, 2011, 01:12:50 pm
As to report lengths - maybe encourage a 'views from the saddle' which would be one or two paragraphs, maybe a photo. More of an Audax mosaic than a photograph of a single event.
I must admit to not having opened Arrivee yet.
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Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 01:13:08 pm
Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.
That is almost all. I first read about PBP in the International Cycling Guide in the early 1980s (article by Steve Nicholas, a founder of AUK).
I found the story of such an epic ride inspirational even if I never thought I could ride such a thing.
Post by: billplumtree on 09 May, 2011, 01:15:26 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Yes, do! A short report from a 9-year old, full of "...and at the top we stopped and Mum got some more cake out...", would be just fantastic ;D
Post by: Billy Weir on 09 May, 2011, 01:17:49 pm
PPS. I also assume that there is no policy against short brief articles.
Writing about underpants is discouraged, even if thonglike in description.
Post by: Jaded on 09 May, 2011, 01:23:24 pm
More photographs have certainly helped break things up.
Yes, as do more headers and pull-quotes.
It puts more onus on the editors/typesetters though.
Post by: MattH on 09 May, 2011, 01:24:59 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Yes, do! A short report from a 9-year old, full of "...and at the top we stopped and Mum got some more cake out...", would be just fantastic ;D
+1! It's not too late to write up the last one, and you have the photos too. It needn't be thousands of words, I'm sure even a brief 1/4 page report would get in.
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 01:25:08 pm
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Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2011, 01:32:00 pm
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Post by: Euan Uzami on 09 May, 2011, 01:32:35 pm
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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who ARE riding it or are thinking of it. Big difference. You could argue that it is (or should be) of more interest to the latter.
Post by: Martin on 09 May, 2011, 01:35:44 pm
there's a very good way for members to be able to read more mundane 100km etc articles
;)
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 May, 2011, 01:40:20 pm
Some of the articles are rather long and can be a somewhat hard / repetitive read. I fear this is a consequence of narrative reports of long distance cycling.
Its also because the Editors are, very understandably, reluctant to actually edit.
They are editors more in the sense of selecting which articles to include, but I don't think they do much to 'improve' submissions, however necessary it might be!
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2011, 01:52:05 pm
I think it's very important that one knows if a submission will be edited or not. Writers are frequently irritated by edits.
Having said that, if we had the services of qualified* editors-not-compilers , Arrivee would be improved a lot. (n.b. for those determined to misunderstand - I'm not criticising the work of the actual "Editors", past or present).
Some of our writers are great, and I enjoy every word - some are less gifted, but still have a good story to tell. I find myself skim-reading their reports, looking for some actual facts/incidents.
Dunno how this would work in the real world. I'd be happy to submit an article, then receive the edited version for pre-approval.
*(is there an NVQ in it?)
Post by: scampi on 09 May, 2011, 01:55:44 pm
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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Ah but despite having no intention of riding PBP, as a cyclist I find the articles about preparing for it and riding it very interesting...
Post by: AndyH on 09 May, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
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;D I haven't read much from Alouicious since I discovered how to work the ignore button
AUK have set themselves up to be the No. 1 Ultracycling club in this Nation.Well the situation in the Middle East is a bit worrying, maybe they could lend a hand there.
What do they do next?
Post by: marcusjb on 09 May, 2011, 02:05:19 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
About the start of his prep for PBP 2023? ;D
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 02:06:25 pm
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In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
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Ah but despite having no intention of riding PBP, as a cyclist I find the articles about preparing for it and riding it very interesting...
Its a long time ago now but what first piqued my interest in long distance cycling/cycle touring* was an account of travelling round the northern coast of Norway to Murmansk (yes I know Murmansk is in Russia). Who knows maybe one day... but first, PBP.
Number of cycle journeys with tent completed todate: 1 (To beyond darkest Chepstow for 'Not The Royal Wedding Party'. Thinking about it, not that different to Murmansk, being far away in mountinous cold for'n parts)
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2011, 02:27:28 pm
First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Arrivee has improved considerably over the last 12 years or so. When I first joined AUK it resembled a school magazine, with typed copy and line illustrations and full of in-jokes. There was little advertising, if any. It reflected poorly on the organisation. Now it looks like a proper magazine, generally well laid-out and printed, an ever-improving set of photos and a respectable amount of advertising. Improvements in design and printing technology have helped, but can't distract from the fact that the content has also improved.
On the content, as FF says below, so far as I can see the editors tend not to sub-edit the articles that are submitted. That's not surprising, given that they are reliant on the generosity of contributors who are willing to spend time writing for free, but it can result in pieces that are over-long, poorly written or just downright tedious. Certainly, I don't think any of the pieces I have written have been changed, but I would not have objected had they been. If people are precious about their copy they can ask for amends to checked with them, provided that they commit to responding quickly.
A second consideration is that some contributors appear not to have read the very useful guidelines in the handbook and on the web site about writing for Arrivee. I confess that I hadn't the first time I submitted a piece and it would have been a better piece had I done so. That might result in fewer accounts along the "we stopped at the first control to get our cards stamped and had a cup of tea and two slices of cake" variety. (I recall Mrs Miles had something to say about this a couple of years ago but I can't find the item.) I like a piece that will either entice me to try a ride (and include some useful information) or tells of a particularly unusual or interesting series of events - as in the 50% mechanical thread on this board, for example.
On whether we need more articles about BPs rather than permanents, I suspect the reality might be that people who have time to ride lots of perms may also have more time on their hands to write articles. I don't think distance is an issue except to the extent that the slightly macho attitude that one occasionally encounters may put off people who have interesting things to say but feel that their achievements may not be considered worthy of an article. As has been said below, an informative or entertaining piece is still an informative or entertaining piece regardless of the distance being written about, so I'd encourage people to write about 100s as much as about 1200s. Hell, I could do 500 words on my 12km commute some days!
Which leads me to my suggestions. First, to the editors, please feel empowered to edit pieces. Second, add word counts to the guidance and encourage contributors to think in terms of 600 words, 1,000 words, etc. That makes production easier too. Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.
Overall, I think we should be proud of the mag, considering what a small club we are numerically, and the editors do a great job for little or no thanks (as well as some bitching). I think it's worth the annual membership fee alone. All we need now, to achieve its full glory, is for it to be the guest publication on Have I Got News For You.
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 02:33:04 pm
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Post by: hulver on 09 May, 2011, 02:33:56 pm
Some I don't read, some I do. It's usually entertaining, sometimes in a "those people are mad" type of way.
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on 09 May, 2011, 02:37:16 pm
Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.
+1 The collation and organisation of the PBP articles is exceptionally well done in this issue.
Post by: Gareth Rees on 09 May, 2011, 02:42:49 pm
Post by: oldpeddler on 09 May, 2011, 02:47:41 pm
A few (late) thoughts, written from the position of someone who has edited a magazine professionally in the past.Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Arrivee has improved considerably over the last 12 years or so. When I first joined AUK it resembled a school magazine, with typed copy and line illustrations and full of in-jokes. There was little advertising, if any. It reflected poorly on the organisation. Now it looks like a proper magazine, generally well laid-out and printed, an ever-improving set of photos and a respectable amount of advertising. Improvements in design and printing technology have helped, but can't distract from the fact that the content has also improved.
On the content, as FF says below, so far as I can see the editors tend not to sub-edit the articles that are submitted. That's not surprising, given that they are reliant on the generosity of contributors who are willing to spend time writing for free, but it can result in pieces that are over-long, poorly written or just downright tedious. Certainly, I don't think any of the pieces I have written have been changed, but I would not have objected had they been. If people are precious about their copy they can ask for amends to checked with them, provided that they commit to responding quickly.
A second consideration is that some contributors appear not to have read the very useful guidelines in the handbook and on the web site about writing for Arrivee. I confess that I hadn't the first time I submitted a piece and it would have been a better piece had I done so. That might result in fewer accounts along the "we stopped at the first control to get our cards stamped and had a cup of tea and two slices of cake" variety. (I recall Mrs Miles had something to say about this a couple of years ago but I can't find the item.) I like a piece that will either entice me to try a ride (and include some useful information) or tells of a particularly unusual or interesting series of events - as in the 50% mechanical thread on this board, for example.
On whether we need more articles about BPs rather than permanents, I suspect the reality might be that people who have time to ride lots of perms may also have more time on their hands to write articles. I don't think distance is an issue except to the extent that the slightly macho attitude that one occasionally encounters may put off people who have interesting things to say but feel that their achievements may not be considered worthy of an article. As has been said below, an informative or entertaining piece is still an informative or entertaining piece regardless of the distance being written about, so I'd encourage people to write about 100s as much as about 1200s. Hell, I could do 500 words on my 12km commute some days!
Which leads me to my suggestions. First, to the editors, please feel empowered to edit pieces. Second, add word counts to the guidance and encourage contributors to think in terms of 600 words, 1,000 words, etc. That makes production easier too. Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.
Overall, I think we should be proud of the mag, considering what a small club we are numerically, and the editors do a great job for little or no thanks (as well as some bitching). I think it's worth the annual membership fee alone. All we need now, to achieve its full glory, is for it to be the guest publication on Have I Got News For You.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
Post by: marcusjb on 09 May, 2011, 02:52:00 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
+1
And may well encourage other littluns to give it a go - this could do amazing things for the average age calculation for rides!
Post by: Jamiem on 09 May, 2011, 03:01:57 pm
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
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FWIW I really enjoyed your report "Wesley May Super Grimpeur" - hope the rib cage has healed!
Post by: DrMekon on 09 May, 2011, 03:04:19 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
This is a brilliant suggestion, IMO. I'd love to get my boys on some rides. Seeing how it is done is dead helpful.
I love reading Arrivee. I'd rather the accounts were warts and all, and don't mind reading about what people eat.
I have to say, I am amazed at what people can recall about their rides. I find I can only recall what I've eaten. FWIW, I'm really enjoying To Be A Puddle (http://randomthoughtsofapuddle.blogspot.com/). I wish I could write about rides like she does.
Post by: CrinklyLion on 09 May, 2011, 03:10:24 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
+1
And may well encourage other littluns to give it a go - this could do amazing things for the average age calculation for rides!
Mebbees... but it's got rather a lot of forum-specific in-jokes. As an example, outside of this place, who would get what an NTSTN-rating is?
oldpeddler - I haven't read all of the magazine yet, and it's only the first one that's popped through the letterbox in the CrinklyDen so can't really comment on any particular RRs, but I don't think that anyone is particularly critical of the existing contributions. Just reflecting on the fact that maybe it would be worth thinking about the best way of editing submitted articles in future. I can see that it could be a tricky balance to find, when the magazine is dependant on the goodwill of people writing up rides for the love of it. For what it's worth, I can say that I really like the RR board on here and the fact that it has a very broad range both of rides described and ways of describing them. And I, personally, do like descriptions of CAKE. Photographs are better though :P
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 May, 2011, 03:13:53 pm
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!
Yes, Arrivee is a worthwhile magazine.
HK and I are relaxing before starting the Texas 1200 and our host is a longtime Randonneurs USA and Ultra Marathon Cycling Association member. He was very impressed by the latest Arrivee, compared to the respective USA publications. I agree with him but it would be nice if editors sometimes edited submitted articles. Anything I write needs the red pencil taken to it.
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on 09 May, 2011, 03:20:59 pm
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I enjoyed your Article and will probably enter the Wesley May Grimpeur in September.
If you had'nt written the article I wouldn't have known the route, which includes the loop to Cwmllynfell that I did as a 15 year old on my 5 speed Raleigh Arena :)
I didn't think RLight was being personal.
BTW the Bynea rides are easy to get to be rail, but avoid the last train to Swansea on your way home -
or cycle back for the ECE
Post by: AikenDrum on 09 May, 2011, 04:12:19 pm
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride. I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open. I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read. I'm inspired to ride the same route - just not to the same schedule.
Cheers :thumbsup: Glad you enjoyed my ramblings.
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 09 May, 2011, 04:18:52 pm
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride. I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open. I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read. I'm inspired to ride the same route
Ditto. I have been wondering about that route too. The article may just be enough to get me of my ars* and ride it some time in the future.
Post by: oldpeddler on 09 May, 2011, 04:23:31 pm
Thanks Ian, much appreciated.
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I enjoyed your Article and will probably enter the Wesley May Grimpeur in September.
If you had'nt written the article I wouldn't have known the route, which includes the loop to Cwmllynfell that I did as a 15 year old on my 5 speed Raleigh Arena :)
I didn't think RLight was being personal.
BTW the Bynea rides are easy to get to be rail, but avoid the last train to Swansea on your way home -
or cycle back for the ECE
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2011, 04:41:05 pm
All that detail about card-stamping, tea and cake works really well in a "My First Audax" sort of article. But we don't need reports like that every issue.
Equally, if every report featured 1000s of km ridden with a broken shifter etc, I'd get bored of that sort of thing too (and it would give a skewed picture of our members' riding).
(Perhaps this is something "editors" could help with, in Perfect Arrivée Nirvana.)
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 05:20:19 pm
The perfect Arrivee (or even year of Arrivees) would contain a balanced variety of Ride Reports.
All that detail about card-stamping, tea and cake works really well in a "My First Audax" sort of article. But we don't need reports like that every issue.
Equally, if every report featured 1000s of km ridden with a broken shifter etc, I'd get bored of that sort of thing too (and it would give a skewed picture of our members' riding).
(Perhaps this is something "editors" could help with, in Perfect Arrivée Nirvana.)
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
+1 for maps & links to GPX routes where available. Even a simple overview diagram will suffice to give a visual clue of the route for the geographically challenged. Can you point to Comrie or Scunthorpe on a map? I can't, and I'm not really sure about Didcot, tbh.
Post by: shyumu on 09 May, 2011, 05:53:50 pm
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
The route appeals - and the fact that your read about it in #62 and have now done it... congrats. But doing it as an audax would be...um... well, let me put it this way; I'm sure you got all the controls and all the evidence of having done it within the time limit, it's just that comparing the Lowestoft photo with the Ardnamurchan photo you look 10 years older. Tell me, are audaxes that bad for you? :P
But thanks again for the write up - and everyone who writes up their experiences. Shared experiences, or vicariously shared experiences make the magazine the enjoyable companion to coffee that it is.
(edit: I've not worded this very well, I intended to tease rather than be rude and I can't work out if I've got the balance right. Thank goodness for smilies.(edit:oops - another faux pas))
Post by: AikenDrum on 09 May, 2011, 06:24:09 pm
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
The route appeals - and the fact that your read about it in #62 and have now done it... congrats. But doing it as an audax would be...um... well, let me put it this way; I'm sure you got all the controls and all the evidence of having done it within the time limit, it's just that comparing the Lowestoft photo with the Ardnamurchan photo you look 10 years older. Tell me, are audaxes that bad for you? :P
How dare you! :demon:
Nah, it was just a bit windy, and my hair was in serious need of a trim. ;D
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 May, 2011, 06:37:37 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Yes, you should. :thumbsup:
Post by: Paul D on 09 May, 2011, 06:38:41 pm
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
Hopefully my 1300 writeup has ticked all of those boxes, including a web address for gpx's of the route.
I tried to use place names where ever I could (some of which I had to look up on a map myself as we didn't know we were next to Loch X just a loch at the time).
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2011, 06:41:17 pm
East to West 2011 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=40489.msg917205#msg917205)
( probably a little long for Arrivée )
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 May, 2011, 06:45:43 pm
This is open question and a thought, if Arrivee included shorter articles, would more people be prepared to include articles?
Arrivee articles did used to be very short. I am probably one of those guilty of getting people writing much longer articles. I wrote my first article in 1996, which was about one page, or even just half a page. It got a very good response.
Then I went on a mad tour of America, thought that writing about it would be a good read for Arrivee and set to work. I think it was much longer than any other article ever published in Arrivee. Tim had reservations about putting it in because it was so long (about 7 pages I think) but there wasn't much else to put in and he thought it was quite good, so in it went. It got a good response. After that, a few others wrote longer articles,confidence grew and it's almost become the norm.
We also used to get more funny stuff and some poetry too. A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle was a particularly popular author.
We even had cartoons too.
Post by: Salvatore on 09 May, 2011, 06:49:29 pm
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Post by: Peter on 09 May, 2011, 06:56:53 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 May, 2011, 06:57:56 pm
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2011, 07:14:41 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
It's dark for longer in the summer. My experience of Northern English Oiks suggests they were oikier than their southern bretheren.
Post by: Peter on 09 May, 2011, 07:19:36 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
It's dark for longer in the summer. My experience of Northern English Oiks suggests they were oikier than thei southern bretheren.
You could be right. Mind, it's a while since I've been to Millwall.
Post by: Salvatore on 09 May, 2011, 08:08:04 pm
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
Post by: Deano on 09 May, 2011, 08:10:20 pm
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
I try to give RRs and my one Arrivée article a strong sense of place. It's one of the things that makes rides unique.
Post by: welshwheels on 09 May, 2011, 08:15:58 pm
Sorry, The organiser of 'Rutland and Beyond' drove around the route taking a camera full of photos to include in his report on the ride.Turn to page 10 +11 ::-)
In this edition ( 112 ), a lot of pages are filled with 'Preparing for PBP'.
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
The magazine is for showing nice colourful photos and printing ride reports, so we can show our mates at work and home what a wonderful time we had.
When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2011, 08:32:56 pm
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I'm sorry that you seem to have taken personal offence at what I hope were constructive comments. They certainly weren't intended to refer to a particular article or author. My reference to controls and cake was a, perhaps ill-considered, attempt to parody a narrative style that fails to differentiate between information that augments or illuminates and that which merely clutters.
For what it's worth I thought your piece in the latest issue offered exactly the right balance between the personal experience and the useful information for other members. The references to the catering at each end were relevant as they underscored how well supported riders are and also, bearing in mind what a tough ride it was, would have reminded any reader of that sense of relief when they arrive at the finish and find that the fast riders haven't scoffed all the food! I also particularly liked this part paragraph which, for me, sum up the Audax experience:
"...you can see the rest of the entire climb as it wiggles its way up and bears right in a giant horseshoe....the advantage being you can see how far ahead the rest of the riders are and hence you get a bit of a confidence boost. The disadvantage, as in this particular case, was looking ahead to see no one in sight."
So please don't stop writing for Arrivee simply because of my clumsily-worded comments.
Post by: mmmmartin on 09 May, 2011, 08:37:47 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it inYes you most definitely should. It might need a bit of adult top-and-tailing, but yes you should. And I should get around to writing my "how not to ride a perm" article that I have been a year in thinking about.......
Post by: mmmmartin on 09 May, 2011, 08:41:25 pm
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
Post by: mmmmartin on 09 May, 2011, 08:47:01 pm
I'm not really sure about Didcot, tbh.But Paul - who is?
Post by: JohnHamilton on 09 May, 2011, 08:54:53 pm
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
Quite. I doubt you'd find any organisers who are in it for the money. And AUK doesn't make money out of events either. Brevet Card and Validation fees don't cover their costs and events make a loss overall, being effectively subsided out of the general membership fee.
Post by: YahudaMoon on 09 May, 2011, 09:00:52 pm
Post by: Wobbly on 09 May, 2011, 09:05:55 pm
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
I still sometimes have nightmares from reading about that. ::shudder::
Post by: Gareth Rees on 09 May, 2011, 09:06:22 pm
The reports that best keep my interest are more than a straight report: they have dramatic events (like EdinburghFixed's mechanical troubles on the Nae Bother (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47193.0)), a surprising outcome (like toothgrinder's Triangle ride (http://www.aukweb.net/mag/FmqEzdFC__SteveAbraham_Sat_Sep_13_13_37_07_2003.pdf) where he found that after a week back at work he still had time in hand to finish the ride), an unusual perspective (CrinklyLion on the Just a chuffing 50), or good writing and wit (like Denise Noha's LEL report in the winter Arrivée).
(* Repetition and cliché: a few minutes after I captioned a picture of audaxers eating lunch outside Tesco in King's Lynn "The glamour of audaxing (http://garethrees.org/2011/04/09/audax/#glamour)" I opened up the corresponding thread on yacf to discover that Pippa had done the same (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42960.msg910749#msg910749), down to the exact location of the photo!)
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 May, 2011, 10:01:10 pm
A certain LynnGoering S NayleGoerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.
I wonder what happened to him.
Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
OK, you win.
Think I'll go play with my illuminated red yoyo now.
Post by: oldpeddler on 09 May, 2011, 10:50:50 pm
No Redlight I should apologise for getting rattled by someone's quite reasonable comments. I don't think it helped signing onto the site and reading your comment after just arriving home, having ridden through one thunderstorm (hence a drenching ) whilst avoiding a previous one by, diving into a teashop.
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
I'm sorry that you seem to have taken personal offence at what I hope were constructive comments. They certainly weren't intended to refer to a particular article or author. My reference to controls and cake was a, perhaps ill-considered, attempt to parody a narrative style that fails to differentiate between information that augments or illuminates and that which merely clutters.
For what it's worth I thought your piece in the latest issue offered exactly the right balance between the personal experience and the useful information for other members. The references to the catering at each end were relevant as they underscored how well supported riders are and also, bearing in mind what a tough ride it was, would have reminded any reader of that sense of relief when they arrive at the finish and find that the fast riders haven't scoffed all the food! I also particularly liked this part paragraph which, for me, sum up the Audax experience:
"...you can see the rest of the entire climb as it wiggles its way up and bears right in a giant horseshoe....the advantage being you can see how far ahead the rest of the riders are and hence you get a bit of a confidence boost. The disadvantage, as in this particular case, was looking ahead to see no one in sight."
So please don't stop writing for Arrivee simply because of my clumsily-worded comments.
I do try to make my articles interesting and add a dash of humour if possible.
I would like to see more audaxers have a go at writing articles for Arrivee and feel I have reached my limit regarding my style of story telling. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
Post by: jogler on 10 May, 2011, 06:16:31 am
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
no no don't do that :hand:
Allow me to say with respect that there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle.I don't do many tunes but this old fiddle knows one when I hear it
Post by: Rainmaker on 10 May, 2011, 08:23:47 am
As someone whose cycling is now largely confined to the North of England, I'd be interested to know where you went as lately my sexual activities have been restricted too. A bit of sexual harrassment might rekindle a flame!
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2011, 10:07:34 am
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
As someone whose cycling is now largely confined to the North of England, I'd be interested to know where you went as lately my sexual activities have been restricted too. A bit of sexual harrassment might rekindle a flame!
The oiks who pestered me in 1985 may have mellowed by now...
Post by: mattc on 10 May, 2011, 04:17:04 pm
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
I'd also like to challenge J.Dyson's tips - so he uses a schedule on 1000k+ rides, does he? So why so dismissive of mine on MC1k? Is the whole PBP section a case of Do as I say, not as I do?!? We should be told ...
Also - bit puzzled by the reprinting of Sheila's advice about PBP start times etc - is this because some members won't have received the 2011 handbook?
Post by: MattH on 10 May, 2011, 05:22:45 pm
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
Yes - though I'm not sure which one of them will feel insulted :)
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Also - bit puzzled by the reprinting of Sheila's advice about PBP start times etc - is this because some members won't have received the 2011 handbook?
It's probably just to reinforce it for those like me who don't avidly read the handbook.
Post by: Salvatore on 10 May, 2011, 05:55:14 pm
(arrived this morning - was I last?)
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
I'll let you know if I ever get a copy.
Post by: hellymedic on 10 May, 2011, 06:11:34 pm
(arrived this morning - was I last?)
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?
I'll let you know if I ever get a copy.
My copy arrived at 11am today but it's unoppened as I've been out all day.
Post by: Peter on 10 May, 2011, 06:20:52 pm
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
no no don't do that :hand:
Allow me to say with respect that there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle.I don't do many tunes but this old fiddle knows one when I hear it
Great reference, Jogler! Do you know the whole of "The German Musicianer"? There won't be many here who do, I trow!
Post by: jogler on 10 May, 2011, 06:31:07 pm
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Post by: GrahamG on 11 May, 2011, 02:04:55 pm
Post by: jogler on 11 May, 2011, 02:16:04 pm
PBP: blue sky stuff for me but there's a lot of usefull info
LEL: aiming for 2013 so very pertinent
arrows & audax ride reports. grist to the mill
pics; interesting to see how folk arrange their kit
nice backgrounds/lanscape
rider's mugshots :-\ ;D & I recognise a couple of folk sometimes
auk calendar :thumbsup:
YMMV
the only negative aspect is that it stops me working ;D
Post by: PAC on 11 May, 2011, 10:23:30 pm
so do I......inspiring ride reports, good photo's and not full of advertising like commercial magazines :thumbsup:.....which seem hell bent on 'how to do your first Sportive' advice at the mo :facepalm:Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them. It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.Totally agree!
Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Post by: Bones on 11 May, 2011, 10:28:02 pm
Post by: PAC on 11 May, 2011, 10:30:08 pm
Well said!Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
if you know anyone who does after paying all the upfront costs hall hire food and then taking the helpers out for a meal please let me know; I'd love to pick their brains ;)
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2011, 01:37:16 pm
not full of advertising like commercial magazines
My publisher has asked me to point out that the commercial magazine I work for is far from full of advertising at the moment and this is part of the reason why I haven't had a pay rise in three years.
Ads are generally a good thing and I suspect Arrivée could do with a few more. The alternative is to double (or even triple) membership fees, or maybe return to the days when Arrivée was a black & white photocopied pamphlet.
d.
Post by: frankly frankie on 12 May, 2011, 03:55:40 pm
A few years ago there was a 2-page 'advertising feature' that wasn't labelled as such (ie it just looked like an ordinary article) and some of us got a bit upset about that!
Post by: arvid on 12 May, 2011, 07:45:16 pm
Post by: Charlie Boy on 12 May, 2011, 09:24:00 pm
The continent has received a copy today.
Takes a while longer to get to Dorset....
Hopefully tomorrow for some pre-400 encouragement.
Post by: Jaded on 12 May, 2011, 10:41:59 pm
Respect. ;D
Post by: Jaded on 12 May, 2011, 11:46:21 pm
We have also with AAA created a demon
For the riders that think 50km is a long way the AAA stuff is completely mental.
Post by: Feline on 13 May, 2011, 01:56:50 am
Post by: mattc on 13 May, 2011, 07:42:33 am
Riding up-n-down Streatley Hill enough times to reach 50km in 4 hours would be Audacious. (For some it would be impossible)
It is quite clearly not * Long Distance Cycling *
Post by: kcass on 13 May, 2011, 08:14:11 am
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
I think we all agree this issue is dominated by BPB. Only one person though thinks this is a bad thing.
Post by: Jaded on 13 May, 2011, 08:16:22 am
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
I think we all agree this issue is dominated by BPB. Only one person though thinks this is a bad thing.
Why are they doing the ride the wrong way round? ;D
Post by: CrinklyLion on 13 May, 2011, 08:17:45 am
....a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).
It did to the 9 year old ;)
I suspect that for me, and hopefully m'boy, the 50s and the 100s are (as swarmcather and others have described) the 'gateway drug'. The reality is that last summer my lad did a plenty of 30 and more mile day rides - including the odd one with the inclusion on some fairly lumpy territory and not particularly benevolent weather. But going to Tamworth to do a calendar event was different to him, for a number of reasons (apart from the fact that he hasn't done many miles so far this year!). One of the comments that he really liked about our ride reports from riding to Barrow was toekneep's remark, after the incredibly slow hard slog into the wind and through the torrential downpour, from Hawes to Kirkby Lonsdale, that CrinklyCub 'would make a great audaxer one day'. And, of course, last summer we went cyclecamping at Edwardstone, where he met Teethgrinder and Ara both of whom he still talks about - 'your friends who ride a really long way' is how he normally describes them! At 9, he gets that whilst a 50 is a looooong way for him (and a 100 is pretty long for me!) they aren't the real big distances. But the idea of those big distances does intrigue him.....
Post by: itinerant on 13 May, 2011, 08:24:41 am
IMHO
Arrivee is a bit of a victim of its own success. It has the look and feel of a professional magazine but it should not be forgotten that it is written by volunteers and ultimately it is a mirror image of the membership
This thread raises a secondary question namely is the membership committed to AUK’s original aims or just attracted by a cheap membership fee and a desire to feel part of a scene,
FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.
Just in case you missed that:
FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.
This thread is a bit boring for me because AUK was not formed in the 1970s to promote 50k rides but as has been said to allow riders to ride PBP without going abroad to qualify. Thus given this is the fundamental reason as to how AUK came to exist in the first place it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.
Clearly in 2011 there are in social terms "bigger fish to fry". It would seem a shame if Crinkly Lion cannot attempt to enthuse her brood with the ethos of *Long Distance Cycling* by taking them on a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).
Perhaps this is no longer black and white.
What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*. We have created a culture where many believe 50k is actually “Long Distance Cycling” but it is nothing of the sort.
We have also with AAA created a demon within our midst where the comp is one not won by the rider that does the Bryan Chapman and similar but by someone who does the same 50k Perm again and again. What the hell it’s a broad church do I care?
Personally I would like us to be more focussed on promoting a core programme of events at 400 & 600km. This is where the weakness lies and in a world where garages won’t let you inside in the night there is a need to return to the basic stuff of church halls and TLC.
This is for me the real area where we need to tempt riders to step into.
AC
Question: How many 50k events are there in the calendar?
Answer: Not very many, especially when compared to 100, 150, 200, 400k etc events
Question: How many people could start as 'long distance cyclists' by doing a 400k event
Answer: Not many
Get real.
100k events are an opportunity for less experienced cyclists to get started with audax and hopefully get the bug and progress to longer events, be they 150, 200, 400k or whatever. To reduce the membership to a group of people who only do 400k+ events is a recipe for failure and a guarantee that membership will slowly decine to nothing, but maybe that is what you want?
Post by: mattc on 13 May, 2011, 08:33:18 am
Andy made a perfectly reasonable comment*:
Personally I would like us to be more focussed on promoting a core programme of events at 400 & 600km. This is where the weakness lies and in a world where garages won’t let you inside in the night there is a need to return to the basic stuff of church halls and TLC.
And somehow this is translated into:
... reduce the membership to a group of people who only do 400k+ events
:(
*you may disagree with it, but it's hardly extreme, is it?
Post by: jogler on 13 May, 2011, 09:02:03 am
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
If so, then why not (assumming Organisers are able & willing) maintain this quantity of 400 & 600 rides along with the same quantity of shorter rides to allow novice long distance riders progress from 100km to whichever of the longer/longest rides they choose to ride.
I think it's important,in it's best interests, to avoid a situation where AUK is perceived as an Organisation catering only for hard riding mile munchers,however inaccurrate that perception might be.
Equally so the original raison d'etre of AUK should be reflected in it's activities.
Post by: border-rider on 13 May, 2011, 09:08:37 am
As a relative newcomer to AUK I have little knowledge of it's event history so I ask....
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
Possibly a few more; the major difference is that more people ride them to qualify, and more people ride multiples of the same distance. And they're more bunched into the "qualification windows" for each distance. So they're generally busier.
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If so, then why not (assumming Organisers are able & willing) maintain this quantity of 400 & 600 rides along with the same quantity of shorter rides to allow novice long distance riders progress from 100km to whichever of the longer/longest rides they choose to ride.
I don't think we're short of 400s & 600s on the calendar these days. There seem to me to be very many more than 10 years ago. One issue is that they tend to be grouped more towards the spring & early summer, so many people who are looking to build from shorter distances will find less choice when they feel they're fit enough to tackle something longer. I suppose that's partly the PBP legacy and partly to do with day length.
Post by: Gareth Rees on 13 May, 2011, 09:12:58 am
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
In 2011: 26 × 400 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2011&To=12&Dist_min=400&Dist_max=400), 22 × 600 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2011&To=12&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=600) (PBP year)
In 2010: 26 × 400 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2010&To=12&Dist_min=400&Dist_max=400), 16 × 600 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2010&To=12&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=600)
So about 40% more 600s this year, but there were not so few last year that anyone could plausibly be said to be missing out on the opportunity to ride one. The main difference is that in 2010 there were three 400s and a 600 in August; there are none this year.
Edit: Going further back, the calendar isn't so helpful, but looking at the result sheets (and ignoring arrows, 24-hour time trials, and overseas events), I count:
2009 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2009/events/): 14 × 400, 13 × 600
2008 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2008/events/): 13 × 400, 12 × 600
2007 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2007/events/): 18 × 400, 15 × 600 (PBP year)
2006 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2006/events/): 18 × 400, 13 × 600
Post by: frankly frankie on 13 May, 2011, 09:38:20 am
The trouble with more events (of whatever distance) is simply that more events means smaller events, fewer facilities. If riding a first 400, the support of being part of a big field is worth something.
What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*.
What's getting lost in the noise, is the culture of riding 'hard'.
Post by: Wobbly on 13 May, 2011, 11:07:40 am
Post by: TOBY on 13 May, 2011, 11:29:23 am
Post by: citoyen on 13 May, 2011, 11:38:12 am
(advertisers are skilled at providing copy very late, and in a subtly incompatible format).
Tell me about it!
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Partly because the magazine production costs are, AIUI, well under control and don't need much subsidy.
That's reassuring to know.
d.
Post by: perpetual dan on 13 May, 2011, 01:09:21 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 13 May, 2011, 01:38:10 pm
Having said that we did get some encouragement to put on BRM events last year when we weren't sure what pre-qualification rules there might be for PBP. The increase in qualifiers in PBP years is left to Orgs to anticipate an extra demand for such events, such as my forthcoming Llanfair PG 400 (a few places still available), as this has seemed to work so far.
Should we be more proactive in looking for events? How would that actually work? And just to get the topic back to the subject line, should we commision articles for Arrivee?
Post by: citoyen on 13 May, 2011, 02:06:41 pm
I don't think AUK commisions any events
Is LEL not "commissioned" by AUK? (I'm not trying to be clever - genuine question.)
d.
Post by: Gareth Rees on 13 May, 2011, 02:12:55 pm
should we commission articles for Arrivée?
Yes, absolutely. It would be nice to see a wider variety of pieces. (Like the hilarious spoof dissertation in the current issue.) Also, lots of people write reports on this forum and on their blogs; if you see one that would be of interest to the Arrivée readership (with editing of course, since online and print are such different contexts), then it might be a good idea to ask.
Post by: JohnHamilton on 13 May, 2011, 02:16:40 pm
I could be wrong (and if I'm sure Mr Undulates and his team will put me right) but I don't think AUK commisions any events, they just put on whatever an Organiser happens to be prepared to run.
Absolutely. AUK is not an organising body. It's up to organisers to come up with ideas for events and put them on the calendar. There's the occasional prompting to organisers in PBP years (and last year with pre-qualifying) where we would like to see events to facilitate an agenda (e.g. PBP qualifying) but it's still down to organisers to actually put the events on.
Whether that's right or not is another matter. I can certainly see arguments for increasing involvements in encouraging the longer events and providing some overall direction for the calendar.
The important thing to me is that the focus and emphasis of the organisation remains on the longer events. The Olympic motto is "Stronger, faster, further". AUK's should just be "Further..."
That's not to say the shorter events, and the award structures around them aren't important. But they're a means to an end, of encouraging riders to the longer distances, rather than an end in themselves.
Of course not everyone will have the time, means or inclination to progress to the peak of the pyramid. And that's fine. It's a great strength of AUK that it's such a broad church that nearly everyone can make their own personal objectives and find their own measure of achievement.
But the organisation needs to be dynamic, and continue to encourage that progression up the ladder. If it stagnates, either through a focus entirely on the base of the pyramid with no-one moving upwards, or just on the peak such that there is no base of new riders to draw from then we all lose.
Post by: JohnHamilton on 13 May, 2011, 02:17:52 pm
I don't think AUK commisions any events
Is LEL not "commissioned" by AUK? (I'm not trying to be clever - genuine question.)
d.
That's the only exception.
Post by: mattc on 13 May, 2011, 02:38:29 pm
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The important thing to me is that the focus and emphasis of the organisation remains on the longer events. The Olympic motto is "Stronger, faster, further". AUK's should just be "Further..."
That's not to say the shorter events, and the award structures around them aren't important. But they're a means to an end, of encouraging riders to the longer distances, rather than an end in themselves.
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What I would add is that noone else is doing this in the UK - there are lots of organisations offering rides upto 100 miles, in many different flavours.
Much beyond that there is only AUK (apart from 12h and 24H time-trials!)
Post by: Billy Weir on 13 May, 2011, 03:29:07 pm
There's probably a great untapped audience out there of people who have done or plan to do longer rides as a charity challenge - possibly an idea for where to "place" publicity etc outside of the usual cycling circles (MacMillan, for example, seem to be quite active with such rides).
Post by: citoyen on 13 May, 2011, 04:03:01 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
I think that's the big difference. I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.
d.
Post by: Greenbank on 13 May, 2011, 04:14:07 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
There are a growing number of "London to <foreign capital> in 24 hours" which are all about 300km. Audax type distances and similar timescales/pacing.
Post by: Chris N on 13 May, 2011, 04:15:04 pm
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.
That's about right, isn't it? ;)
Post by: Billy Weir on 13 May, 2011, 05:24:14 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days. It is validated by Audax UK.
Of the many hundreds of people who do challenge rides, I'd be surprised if none of them think "I want to do more of this for fun".
Post by: citoyen on 13 May, 2011, 05:25:14 pm
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.
That's about right, isn't it? ;)
At current levels of fitness… yes, very likely.
d.
Post by: jogler on 13 May, 2011, 05:30:17 pm
My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days. It is validated by Audax UK.
my grand daughter wants to do E2E & 21 days would suit her well methinks.Doing it as an audx ride would add "something" extra to the ride.
Where can I find more info?
TIA
Post by: Greenbank on 13 May, 2011, 05:32:35 pm
My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days. It is validated by Audax UK.
my grand daughter wants to do E2E & 21 days would suit her well methinks.Doing it as an audx ride would add "something" extra to the ride.
Where can I find more info?
TIA
End to End Perm details page on Audax UK website (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/WW04/) has a link to a site with more info...
Post by: jogler on 13 May, 2011, 05:34:09 pm
Post by: Deano on 13 May, 2011, 05:35:19 pm
Post by: jogler on 13 May, 2011, 05:46:57 pm
oh that's clever innit 8)
& very informative.
I wish I were IT savvy ::-)
thanks Deano
Post by: mattc on 13 May, 2011, 06:27:39 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.
...but rarely ridden at audax pace.
There are a growing number of "London to <foreign capital> in 24 hours" which are all about 300km. Audax type distances and similar timescales/pacing.
An Audax would be 360km+ (and unsupported). And considerably cheaper.
So no advance on 24h and/or 300km? There's bound to be the odd event out there, but lets be honest, AUK is doing the rump of the work in this area, n'est-ce-pas?
Post by: Polepole on 15 May, 2011, 09:11:18 pm
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC
They may be few but they are there!
I'm hoping to complete a first 600 this year and I started off doing 100k rides. Had the starting point been 200K I would never have even contemplated getting involved in this audax malarkey as it would have been a jump too far. 100K rides for me provided an achievable introduction to audax and I enjoyed myself so much that I'm now hooked! Something like PBP is way beyond my present ability but I still enjoy reading about others experiences. Who knows- by the time the next one comes around maybe it will seem less of an impossibility! My point is that without the 100K rides I would never even have ridden a 200K much less anything longer!
Post by: mmmmartin on 15 May, 2011, 09:18:24 pm
This is so blatantly self-evident that I cannot believe anyone can think otherwise. Exactly where are the SR riders supposed to start if not on a 100k?
Post by: Hummers on 15 May, 2011, 09:35:53 pm
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC
They may be few but they are there!
Indeed they are.
I've introduced 6 people to Audax and for 5 of them, their first ride was a 100k who went on to or plan to ride longer distances.
The other went straight to 200k (more of a timing issue than anything else) and is planning to do PBP in August.
H
Post by: Hummers on 15 May, 2011, 11:08:49 pm
I am gulity of telling people that if they can ride nk then they can easily ride 2 x nk. :thumbsup:
Surely, articles in Arrivé about preparation for PBP etc. serve the same purpose?
H
Post by: mcshroom on 15 May, 2011, 11:57:41 pm
I've just attempted my first 200 (timed out but completed the distance eventually) and it was a very long day, meaning that I would have been looking at a B&B/camping if it had been any further away, meaning it would be more expensive and take out the entire weekend.
Post by: Jaded on 16 May, 2011, 12:46:40 am
Post by: eeymsmo on 16 May, 2011, 08:09:46 am
The real number you want is the number of riders who rode a 100k before they went on to ride a greater distance. Pretty sure even some of the super high kilometer eaters started off with a 100km event many many years ago. Maybe a question for a future AUK questionairre?
I probably wouldn't have started without 100km rides. The first one I did was enough for me to work out how all the paperwork and routesheets worked. The 2nd was extended by riding to/from the event to get me closer to 200km. And I'll be riding some more local ones through the autumn, but turning them into 200+s by ECEing them (which will also throw the total number argument)
Post by: Jaded on 16 May, 2011, 08:16:01 am
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2011, 08:22:35 am
PBP introduced qualifiers to force people to ride shorter Audaxes.
I actually think the <200km rides are more useful as getting people into cycling generally, than as a feeder for the longer Audaxes.
Post by: eeymsmo on 16 May, 2011, 08:38:42 am
Aren't PBP qualifiers more to do with making sure that people can actually do the distance rather than ending up with a huge DNF list?
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2011, 09:01:51 am
That's not relevant here - the point I was making is that people are motivated to enter/ride 1200/1400km despite never riding a 100k audax.
Aren't PBP qualifiers more to do with making sure that people can actually do the distance rather than ending up with a huge DNF list?
Post by: Jaded on 16 May, 2011, 09:18:30 am
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2011, 09:27:43 am
Here's a question:
What %age of 100k "newbies" had never ridden 100k in a day before?
[I mention this because I had some v.inexperienced riders on Sunday's club-run who ended up riding about 60 lumpy miles in 5 hours (elapsed).]
Post by: Wobbly on 16 May, 2011, 10:15:08 am
Tell me I'd have to do a 200km to be a part of your funny rolled up trouser leg organisation and I'd have ridden it to get away from all you freaks.
What Jaded said.
Post by: DrMekon on 16 May, 2011, 10:53:38 am
I think there are plenty of regular commuters out there who become sportive riders. For instance, on a non-bike forum I go on, a bunch of people do the Wiggle series, the Fred Whitton and the Dynamo. Mostly, they know nothing about audax, despite it being well within their capacity.
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2011, 11:16:30 am
Barely anyone on here talks about 100kms, so I didn't consider them.
Excellent, it's working. ;D
Post by: arvid on 16 May, 2011, 11:34:05 am
Exactly where are the SR riders supposed to start if not on a 100k?
On a 200 or 300? My first audax was a 300. I already knew I could cycle 200k within the specified time.
Of course we don't even have anything under 200 that's considered audax.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 16 May, 2011, 11:54:10 am
I did ( at about 60) - and used to think it was a very long way. Without the 100 I would never have contemplated a 200 ( just plain absurd -- 125 miles at 60 - dont be silly). Now it is -- can I get 10 consecutive SRs in before I am too old - I just need PBP for my 25,000 award - how old was Jack Eason when he last did PBP - can I get 100 points this year - how long can I keep a double RRTY going?
The 100 was absolutely critical in getting me involved - and as the LEL money man - that is my way of saying thx to all organisers etc., who have given me pleasure - so without the 100 - you would have had to find a different money man ( OK he/she might do a better job - but at least you have one now)
For me the 100 was absolutely critical - and must be kept
Post by: DanialW on 16 May, 2011, 03:15:52 pm
Arrivee would surely have a key part to play. It would be good (in a fly on the wall way) to follow in print a small group of riders from the start of the season in the depths of winter via the 200, 300 & 400 through the year to the end of the 600. I guess some would win through and some would fail that would make it interesting. However to bring balance I'm sure if they wanted to ride a few 100k rides along the way that could be accomodated. ;)
We're doing just this with Paul Martin's Evans Cycles blog ATM. :thumbsup:
Post by: Jaded on 16 May, 2011, 04:23:24 pm
Post by: Peter on 04 August, 2011, 11:16:06 am
Post by: DanialW on 04 August, 2011, 01:16:18 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 04 August, 2011, 01:43:14 pm
Very good, IMO, to see a trend towards more cyclists per picture, at least on the covers - 8 in the last 3 issues - much more attractive than the old single looming portrait style.
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)
Post by: eck on 04 August, 2011, 01:46:39 pm
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)I thought bodach, piloting the tandem, and scoosh, in red, both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad. ;)
Post by: eeymsmo on 04 August, 2011, 01:48:19 pm
Hopefully Nottingham's finest will have made it to our postbox today so I'll have something to distract me from fettling/oiling before tomorrow's 200.
Post by: Scoosh on 04 August, 2011, 02:22:13 pm
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)I thought bodach, piloting the tandem, and scoosh, in red, both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad. ;)
Perhaps it should be captioned:
"Who needs their bus pass ?" (all 3 qualified) :o
I reckon the stoker is doing very well for his age/ effort etc ... too :thumbsup:
;D
Post by: hellymedic on 04 August, 2011, 03:36:48 pm
My favourite has to be Peter Stott's pic of Lee Hargreaves on Page 2, with the road on the Audax England jersey taking the same shape as the long and winding background. Very clever!
Post by: red marley on 04 August, 2011, 03:46:55 pm
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 04 August, 2011, 04:26:01 pm
Either way, it was a fitting tribute to the event.
Post by: LEE on 04 August, 2011, 05:29:27 pm
Post by: shyumu on 04 August, 2011, 07:23:10 pm
A ride report which includes the rider's struggle with constipation - it can only be Arivee!
Can't wait to get home and find out more.
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 August, 2011, 07:27:15 pm
(click to show/hide)
Very good, IMO, to see a trend towards more cyclists per picture, at least on the covers - 8 in the last 3 issues - much more attractive than the old single looming portrait style.
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word ::-)
I got home - no Arrivee
My cursor hovered over the spoiler
Finally I had to click on it
and thought
OFFS!!!
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 04 August, 2011, 07:57:42 pm
Post by: Mike Conway on 04 August, 2011, 09:19:24 pm
Good article published about The Elenith but let us hope that Michael Conway was fundamentally wrong about one thing, that it was 'The Last Elenith'.
Either way, it was a fitting tribute to the event.
I hope not Philip, besides I submitted the article with the title Elenith 2011 report... (The changing of the title to The Last Elenith I guess is a sort of call to arms, which I totally have no problems with) I do hope someone is able to take up the reigns - such a brilliant event.
Loved John's article on the SVS in Bulgaria. Inspiring stuff!
Post by: Karla on 04 August, 2011, 09:45:52 pm
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)
Perhaps we could refer to them both as MandyH?
Post by: Martin on 04 August, 2011, 11:53:02 pm
Post by: Ian H on 05 August, 2011, 10:08:28 am
...The Beast on the train...
Is that a cheats' audax event?
Post by: Andrew Cornwell on 05 August, 2011, 05:27:26 pm
Gripping article on the Bulgarian 1200 is all I've managed so far. Who says we never race?
Post by: Uncle Eric on 05 August, 2011, 08:02:45 pm
Post by: AndyH on 05 August, 2011, 09:16:30 pm
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)
Perhaps we could refer to them both as MandyH?
::-)
Post by: AndyH on 05 August, 2011, 09:21:32 pm
Post by: red marley on 05 August, 2011, 11:09:25 pm
Isn't the guy on the back cover called Scott Slater? Many apologies to Pavel if I'm wrong.
Yes, that's Scott (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48009.msg956383#msg956383).
Post by: arabella on 06 August, 2011, 11:05:28 am
I was disappointed :-\ to find that in spite of the misery of it* Michael still finishe the Elenith 3 hours sooner than I did.
*well, a definite similarity in recollection of the Elan vally (friend of blasted heath (tm Macbeth ie Shakespeare))
Post by: bodach on 06 August, 2011, 10:26:40 pm
Post by: The Mechanic on 07 August, 2011, 10:38:47 am
Post by: jogler on 07 August, 2011, 10:47:49 am
Lots of cracking articles in this arrivee I thought, not sure which is my favourite.
Yes indeed :thumbsup:
Post by: Billy Weir on 07 August, 2011, 11:00:31 am
Post by: Euan Uzami on 07 August, 2011, 12:47:11 pm
Peter Ruffhead on page 19 looks like he's just survived an attempt to knock him off by a bloke leaping out of the bushes, who the guy behind appears to be heading straight at.
Matt Haigh on the inside back cover appears to have been renamed Andrew unless he's got a very similar looking brother.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 August, 2011, 02:01:24 pm
Like the pix from the nat'l 24. Constructing a one-year training plan for a 24h TT, trying to execute the plan, doing the event, and then trying to tweak the training plan according to the outcome seems like an interesting project and never-ending goal. But it says the top guys can't stand up unsupported getting to the podium. Seems quite, uhm, extreme... Is it like that for mid-pack finishers too?
Mid-pack finishers don't need to climb on the podium. :thumbsup:
Post by: STMS on 08 August, 2011, 01:09:23 pm
Post by: Scoosh on 08 August, 2011, 09:06:11 pm
Been Audaxing for 6 years or so and nary a microdot** in Arrivee but I hit the jackpot this issue with the front page and seen with George. Doesn't he make me look good, handsome and so young. Bring your copies to my next event and I will autograph the first hundred free of charge.** except for last year's Snow Roads pics ... :thumbsup:
Post by: Bones on 08 August, 2011, 09:53:12 pm
Non arrive :( are they all sent togetherMine hasn't come yet and from reading this thread previously they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!
Post by: The Mechanic on 09 August, 2011, 07:57:49 am
Post by: Jaded on 09 August, 2011, 07:59:49 am
Post by: mattc on 09 August, 2011, 10:29:50 am
... they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!There's always one awkward one determined to arrive at the last possible second.
Post by: LEE on 09 August, 2011, 11:15:58 am
Having watched Damon Peacock's wonderful videos of audax events, am I the only person who reads his Arrivee articles with a laid back, comforting Northern accent in my head?
It wasn't until I met Damon at an AGM that I realised it was his partner interviewing riders on the videos I had watched.
I had always assumed he had rather a high-pitched voice for a big northern bloke.
Post by: Bigsybaby on 09 August, 2011, 02:07:15 pm
Post by: The Mechanic on 10 August, 2011, 08:35:06 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 10 August, 2011, 08:52:16 am
He'll be out today (midweek hilly 100)
Post by: The Mechanic on 10 August, 2011, 02:06:19 pm
Post by: The Mechanic on 12 August, 2011, 10:23:31 am
Post by: Bones on 12 August, 2011, 11:18:03 am
Post by: Karla on 12 August, 2011, 11:26:41 am
Post by: Greenbank on 12 August, 2011, 11:31:52 am
Still no Arrivee. No response from MemSec either. Grrr! Starting to get angry. You wont like me when I am angry.
Please don't get angry with unpaid volunteers.
Post by: mikewigley on 12 August, 2011, 12:44:32 pm
No response from MemSec either.
No he's hopeless! It's not unknown for him to be away from his computer for weeks at a time, particularly when the weather's OK for cycling. The tight so-and-so won't even splash out on one of those bilberry things so he can check his emails on a 24/7 basis. The cheek of it is that next thing he'll be asking for someone to propose and second him to remain as MemSec, can you believe it. I'm sure Secretary Richard Phipps is not holding his breath.
But he's back now, wading through a pile of returned magazines (or "Pas D'Arrivees" as I believe they could be referred) so there's a chance he'll be in touch.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 12 August, 2011, 12:54:01 pm
I did notice a thankyou from Daniel for helping with the AUK questionnaire though :thumbsup:
Post by: mikewigley on 12 August, 2011, 12:56:40 pm
Mine hasn't arrived either, yet still the world turns ...
If I knew who you were I could check if we sent you one - PM me.
Anyone else still waiting for Arrivee?
As for the point about it seeming to take a couple of weeks for everyone to get their copy, I can't think why that should be. They all go direct from the printer, presumably in one big batch, so it's all down to Royal Mail. (Not quite true, I have posted out to the overseas addresses from my local post office but those went out last week).
Some of your addresses might need to be checked, but that's your job - log on to http://www.aukweb.net/ (http://www.aukweb.net/) and click on Members and My Details
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 August, 2011, 02:05:10 pm
Anyone else still waiting for Arrivee?
Still waiting here in BlackSheep land
Post by: Gareth Rees on 12 August, 2011, 02:14:28 pm
Post by: The Mechanic on 12 August, 2011, 02:27:16 pm
No response from MemSec either.
No he's hopeless! It's not unknown for him to be away from his computer for weeks at a time, particularly when the weather's OK for cycling. The tight so-and-so won't even splash out on one of those bilberry things so he can check his emails on a 24/7 basis. The cheek of it is that next thing he'll be asking for someone to propose and second him to remain as MemSec, can you believe it. I'm sure Secretary Richard Phipps is not holding his breath.
But he's back now, wading through a pile of returned magazines (or "Pas D'Arrivees" as I believe they could be referred) so there's a chance he'll be in touch.
Stop slagging of that MemSec bloke. He responded to me today and is on the case. I would vote for him any day. Top bloke, fine upstanding gentleman and a scholar to boot :thumbsup:
Post by: STMS on 13 August, 2011, 11:32:26 pm
Post by: Jaded on 14 August, 2011, 09:27:32 am
Post by: ulfson70 on 24 August, 2011, 01:30:38 pm
Post by: Datameister on 25 August, 2011, 11:56:11 am
Thankfully 'relatively' undamaged.
Post by: Gareth Rees on 25 August, 2011, 08:50:06 pm
Maybe by deeming a piece of writing as a spoof academic essay we can remain safely out of touch with what it actually, however clumsily, attempts to address; Pain? Being? Topography? Landscape? Endurance? Flow? Any thoughts?
Are you Ulfson Arvidsson? In which case I should make clear that my remark was not intended to be serious. My thought process went like this:
* I don't understand very much of this. For example, "Carel (2006:88) asserts that 'The Future is the Being projected by the For-itself, because the For-itself is perpetually apprehending itself as unachieved in relation to it.'" What does that mean?
* Perhaps it's just philosophical jargon. Sounds a bit like Sartrean existentialism. Maybe academic philosophers would understand what it's all about?
* But then what's this piece doing in Arrivée? I mean, long-distance cyclists are wonderful people and all that, but I don't think many of us have the necessary background in philosophy to appreciate this.
* Is it trying to be an introduction to philosophy for audaxers? It's pitched at much too high a level for that. Maybe it's an introduction to audaxing for philosophers? But then it's wasted here: it needs to be in a philosophy journal.
* If it were a spoof, then all would make sense!
So, yes, I am probably out of touch on all these subjects, but I was not enlightened by your article. Sorry! It went right over my head.
Post by: Grandad on 25 August, 2011, 09:00:44 pm
Post by: ulfson70 on 29 August, 2011, 08:35:56 am
I of course take your point about my article being misplaced. Possibly I got a bit carried away when writing it! I think that what I set out to do was to collect my thoughts about 'why' I enjoy audaxing, what motivates me (and possibly others?) to keep riding long and often hard rides and to so to get away a little from accounts that centre on 'how' a ride has been completed...And indeed, if there was some enjoyment to be had from it as a spoof piece then so it should stand.
Bye for now from Ulfson
Post by: mikewigley on 09 November, 2011, 08:16:18 am
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 09 November, 2011, 08:18:46 am
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 November, 2011, 08:42:28 am
Post by: dasmoth on 09 November, 2011, 08:48:14 am
Post by: tiermat on 09 November, 2011, 08:49:54 am
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 November, 2011, 09:10:31 am
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Mr. MemSec sir. Is it still printed and distributed from Tewkesburyshire?
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 November, 2011, 09:18:51 am
Post by: Jamiem on 09 November, 2011, 10:02:39 am
Post by: Chris S on 09 November, 2011, 10:10:31 am
Post by: SteveS on 09 November, 2011, 10:15:06 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 November, 2011, 10:19:58 am
Post by: Oaky on 09 November, 2011, 11:06:26 am
This is getting tedious. :hand: MemSec, I blame you ... ;)
Has just arrived in deepest Essex.
You must be on some sort of special list. ;D
Post by: Hummers on 09 November, 2011, 11:15:38 am
Oh, hold on.
It's a copy of "Tits Out & Gasping" monthly*.
H
*How could I have got it wrong?
Post by: mikewigley on 09 November, 2011, 11:23:59 am
This is getting tedious. :hand: MemSec, I blame you ... ;)
OK! OK! You've answered my question thanks (but it was useful to know that Arrivee is indeed on its way) and you can stop letting me know you've received yours now. Please.
Mike
Post by: Oaky on 09 November, 2011, 11:25:13 am
"Tits Out & Gasping"
Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
Post by: mcshroom on 09 November, 2011, 11:26:24 am
Post by: Hummers on 09 November, 2011, 11:28:16 am
"Tits Out & Gasping"
Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
It could work.....
H
Post by: MattH on 09 November, 2011, 11:45:21 am
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 November, 2011, 01:04:35 pm
* I like Damon's article, witty and just about the right length for my attention span these days.
* And Paul's bus shelter photo is just priceless.
Post by: mattc on 09 November, 2011, 01:23:11 pm
* Very nice cover pic, so much better than the 'looming hero' style.Ditto all that.
* I like Damon's article, witty and just about the right length for my attention span these days.
* And Paul's bus shelter photo is just priceless.
And V.Sloe's article made a lovely change from the rest of our bragging :)
Post by: Manotea on 09 November, 2011, 01:26:49 pm
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
AAArse Out & Gasping, surely?
Post by: mattc on 09 November, 2011, 01:35:38 pm
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
google insisted that I meant "Tits Out" ... :o O:-)
Post by: Charlie Boy on 09 November, 2011, 01:39:08 pm
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"
Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
google insisted that I meant "Tits Out" ... :o O:-)
Or if it were a Welsh ride it could start at St Mellons.
Post by: Oaky on 09 November, 2011, 01:51:21 pm
Post by: jogler on 09 November, 2011, 04:45:02 pm
& my renewal form has departee :)
Post by: Karla on 09 November, 2011, 05:29:05 pm
Excellent photos (or is that just 'cos I'm in there?)
I loved Damon's article, and the Peak grimpeurs article has left me teetering on the edge of my seat, waiting for the concluding half.
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak?
Lastly, inspired by this thread, I think that Drew Buck should do his next PBP as Tintin.
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2011, 05:53:01 pm
Not yet here in Larnden.HA8 trumps HA5 then. I have mine...
Post by: hellymedic on 09 November, 2011, 05:55:51 pm
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Yes, me, 2443.
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 09 November, 2011, 06:21:23 pm
PS Good pic of Mr and Mrs Ernst inside front cover
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet? I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now. (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Yes, me, 2443.
Post by: madcow on 09 November, 2011, 07:56:33 pm
Post by: arabella on 09 November, 2011, 08:31:43 pm
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak?In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK. But not even possible to see who's in the photo. No idea who they are at all. :P
Post by: Martin on 09 November, 2011, 08:45:00 pm
was there a big bike ride this year?
great article by AAAn Marshall
Post by: Karla on 09 November, 2011, 08:54:36 pm
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak?In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK. But not even possible to see who's in the photo. No idea who they are at all. :P
Dunno, how many people rode tandem trikes?
Post by: Hot Flatus on 09 November, 2011, 09:04:26 pm
Excellent photos (or is that just 'cos I'm in there?).
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6159/6173121361_77738e7055.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44356000/jpg/_44356164_littlebritaindaffyd203.jpg)
Hmmmmm............
Post by: Karla on 09 November, 2011, 09:14:01 pm
Post by: Tewdric on 09 November, 2011, 09:15:59 pm
(http://www.cervelo.com/mediadata/i/252010/preview/06_27_10_GBRNats_001.jpg)
Arabella
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/-IUqxDUYq2XM/SoSF8RouM8I/AAAAAAAAB60/VOFbECQT0wQ/Arabella%252520Maude%2525202%25252C%252520GB.JPG)
Emma Pooley
Do we think they might, perchance, be related?
Post by: rob on 09 November, 2011, 09:20:36 pm
Will need to wait for the redirection.
Post by: Martin on 09 November, 2011, 09:43:35 pm
Post by: arabella on 10 November, 2011, 10:17:25 am
On the subject of lookalikes, has anyone ever seen Arabella and Emma Pooley in the same room? Eh?Flattered ;D. She is younger, faster and fitter than I am. Though I don't think we've ever been in the same room. Nor are we related so far as I know.
Do we think they might, perchance, be related?
And she looks like a proper cyclist.
Have sent off my renewal form too.
Post by: Klaus on 10 November, 2011, 10:40:12 am
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that? :thumbsup:
+1 but didn't realise my membership number clicks to the next letter now Gxxxx .... strange system.
Post by: mmmmartin on 10 November, 2011, 11:52:15 am
A) over 52 and
B) do not have a shed (although I'd really really like one but do not have a garden in which to put same.)
The PBP "the easy way" was also a cracking read. I haven't been through all of the mag yet. I suspect i might go back and read some of these articles a second time. Pix are very good as well. Worth the membership fee in itself, IMO.
Post by: jogler on 10 November, 2011, 12:20:40 pm
Worth the membership fee in itself, IMO.
yes indeed :thumbsup:
Post by: Ray 6701 on 10 November, 2011, 12:57:44 pm
Roll on Saturday when I can sit down at home with a cup of tea & a bacon butty & read it all :)
Post by: Wobbly on 10 November, 2011, 02:04:10 pm
Post by: Karla on 10 November, 2011, 02:58:29 pm
Post by: Jaded on 10 November, 2011, 03:00:20 pm
Strange absence of any recumbents I notice...
Need shorter photographers.
Post by: LEE on 10 November, 2011, 03:13:58 pm
"Tits Out & Gasping"
Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
Sounds like a magazine for asthmatic bird-watchers
Post by: Andrew on 10 November, 2011, 07:13:47 pm
Post by: vindec on 10 November, 2011, 08:34:09 pm
Post by: recumbentim on 10 November, 2011, 09:21:48 pm
Strange absence of any recumbents
And PBP with some PBP and something about Paris.
Good artice on a Drum Brake Hub Though???
Post by: Somnolent on 10 November, 2011, 10:43:17 pm
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that? :thumbsup:
Indeed - most simple and painless..... but the "return to AUK site" link after paying takes you to the old web-site... AAARGH I'd forgotten how ugly that looked.
Post by: Andrew on 11 November, 2011, 08:09:01 am
You & me both Andrew! It surely don't get bigger than this - 15ns of fame - enjoy it!
Perhaps some/most might find this weird but I'd rather not have the 'fame' in truth. I would have preferred to have been asked first (and would have probably said 'prefer not')
Post by: Jamiem on 11 November, 2011, 08:22:44 am
Post by: Andrew on 11 November, 2011, 08:33:05 am
Post by: Jamiem on 11 November, 2011, 08:49:43 am
Post by: mikewigley on 11 November, 2011, 08:53:38 am
+1 but didn't realise my membership number clicks to the next letter now Gxxxx .... strange system.
Well, while the "number" stays the same, the prefix letter gets incremented so that we can see at a glance your membership status. "F" expires in Dec 2011, "G" in 2012, "H" in 2013 etc (and just to keep you on your toes we miss out "I"). There's something about it on page 48 of the Handbook
There is a bit of a problem with the website at the moment so if you can't get access to www.aukweb.net/renewals then just hang on - Pete will have it fixed before too long
Post by: Ray 6701 on 11 November, 2011, 04:14:44 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 November, 2011, 04:16:40 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 11 November, 2011, 06:41:39 pm
Post by: zigzag on 11 November, 2011, 07:30:21 pm
Post by: Ray 6701 on 11 November, 2011, 07:41:17 pm
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.
Thanks Helly :thumbsup:
Post by: mikewigley on 12 November, 2011, 06:37:13 pm
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.
That's right. The timetable of when you get the publications is .... in the Handbook, see page 1
Mike
Post by: Jonah on 14 November, 2011, 11:54:13 am
Post by: Martin on 14 November, 2011, 01:12:02 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
you can have mine; I'll put it in the post
Post by: Jonah on 14 November, 2011, 01:33:53 pm
Post by: Cyklisten on 14 November, 2011, 01:52:05 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
Do you work for Apple, by any chance? ;D
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 November, 2011, 06:14:18 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
you can have mine; I'll put it in the post
Ah. Pipped to the post. I was going to offer you mine.
Pages are a bit stuck together, mind.
Post by: Ashaman42 on 14 November, 2011, 09:56:38 pm
Major giggle fit here, most enjoyable.
On a separate note, the renewal form has my date of birth wrong but upon going to correct it on the AudaxUK website the details there are right.
Post by: hellymedic on 14 November, 2011, 10:03:41 pm
On a separate note, the renewal form has my date of birth wrong but upon going to correct it on the AudaxUK website the details there are right.
I have the same.
Post by: Ashaman42 on 14 November, 2011, 10:11:44 pm
Was surprised also to see that both my membership number and password are printed on the form. Not that anyone could do much with my login details but still...
Post by: hellymedic on 14 November, 2011, 10:18:47 pm
I suspect some computer glitch has defaulted everyone to January.
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 November, 2011, 12:49:14 pm
(@Ashaman - members have to be reminded of their password somehow - this is the most straightforward way of doing it. It used to be printed, in plain view, on every address label - but that is no longer done.)
Post by: Karla on 15 November, 2011, 01:20:20 pm
My June birthday has also become January. The year is correct.
I suspect some computer glitch has defaulted everyone to January.
My July birthday did the same, so you might be right there.
Post by: 3peaker on 15 November, 2011, 01:22:02 pm
Post by: ian_oli on 15 November, 2011, 01:25:36 pm
(@Ashaman - members have to be reminded of their password somehow - this is the most straightforward way of doing it. It used to be printed, in plain view, on every address label - but that is no longer done.)
I still have my original password, so it does not bother me personally - at worst they could fiddle about with the details of my calendar event- but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2011, 02:06:06 pm
- but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!
Odd, I know ...
Post by: Feline on 16 November, 2011, 11:06:15 am
Post by: Ian H on 16 November, 2011, 12:25:53 pm
- but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!
Odd, I know ...
And the old one still works, which, thinking about it, might be a security issue.
Post by: frankly frankie on 16 November, 2011, 01:49:10 pm
Post by: iddu on 16 November, 2011, 03:02:02 pm
The birthday glitch didn't affect me because I actually was born in January :smug:Oh yuz it does [said another Jan'rite] :)
Increased demand on CAIK leading to stockpiling, shortages and riots :P
Post by: Karla on 16 November, 2011, 03:07:40 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 16 November, 2011, 09:29:24 pm
Post by: simonp on 17 January, 2012, 02:44:37 am
;D
Post by: Feline on 17 January, 2012, 03:04:24 am
"The calendar pages are stuck together”
;D
Oi, that's not funny, they actually are :P
Half a pint of milk in my arrivee!
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 February, 2012, 10:49:07 am
Welcome to all the new Super Randonneurs - all 120 of them. They have really unusual first names, but their surnames seem quite common in an unusual sort of way.
Post by: jimbhoy on 02 February, 2012, 11:04:03 am
Post by: tiermat on 02 February, 2012, 11:05:31 am
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?
No, the new Arrivee and handbook are in the same envelope (well mine is anyway, it arrived this morning)
As a bonus there is not one, but two articles by our very own Deano.
Post by: LindaG on 02 February, 2012, 11:14:19 am
Chapeau!
Post by: GrahamG on 02 February, 2012, 01:28:43 pm
Post by: LEE on 02 February, 2012, 02:24:37 pm
Superb. Just had a text to say my article is in it! If you can't get a ride photo in just write an article with a photo of a smug grin :D
FTFY
Post by: Wobbly on 02 February, 2012, 02:37:26 pm
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?
No, the new Arrivee and handbook are in the same envelope (well mine is anyway, it arrived this morning)
As a bonus there is not one, but two articles by our very own Deano.
I got the copy of Arrivée without a handbook. Have I been short-changed?
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2012, 05:22:13 pm
there's a pic of me in it :o
Post by: delthebike on 02 February, 2012, 05:29:39 pm
Quelle suprise.Phew that was close! Which page, I need to prepare? ;)
there's a pic of me in it :o
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2012, 05:36:41 pm
ready?
standby
here it comes
page 20
Post by: delthebike on 02 February, 2012, 05:42:42 pm
page 20I think that's the first picture I've seen of you on a bike!
(I don't think I screamed too much ;D)
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2012, 06:26:56 pm
Post by: eck on 02 February, 2012, 07:00:54 pm
Post by: jogler on 02 February, 2012, 07:07:37 pm
You are correct;that didn't make it to publication BUT one of Dave Martin's pics taken on the same ride,early on when I was,amazingly,with the front group before we got to Forfar. is the other pic of me published in the mag..
Post by: Revolution9 on 02 February, 2012, 09:08:38 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 02 February, 2012, 09:38:51 pm
Post by: zigzag on 02 February, 2012, 10:00:04 pm
Post by: Octave on 02 February, 2012, 10:42:15 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
Post by: Kim on 03 February, 2012, 12:22:46 am
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
+2. It's uphill all the way from here.
Post by: Bendy Bianchi on 03 February, 2012, 08:12:41 pm
Post by: Feline on 03 February, 2012, 09:44:02 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
+2. It's uphill all the way from here.
+3 and I'm also on the new super randonneur list :D
Post by: AndyH on 03 February, 2012, 10:03:40 pm
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2012, 10:19:35 pm
Welcome to all the new Super Randonneurs - all 120 of them.
As one of those 120, thank you! I only wish I had a P after my name. Oh well, maybe next time…
d.
Post by: Charlie Boy on 03 February, 2012, 10:39:58 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)+1 :thumbsup:
+2. It's uphill all the way from here.
+3 and I'm also on the new super randonneur list :D
+1
Post by: Feline on 03 February, 2012, 11:00:16 pm
I see you & Simon also got a mention in the Hall of Fame in the handbook :thumbsup:
:o I had no idea but I just looked and so we are!!
This explains why Pam asked us if we could attend the AGM but we couldn't go as I was working and Simon was with his folks.
Post by: Peter on 04 February, 2012, 10:07:38 am
Well done to Sheila.
Post by: MattH on 04 February, 2012, 10:35:04 am
Post by: Jaded on 04 February, 2012, 10:58:24 am
Post by: Karla on 04 February, 2012, 12:01:12 pm
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 February, 2012, 01:29:41 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
Just read mine. Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal.
G.
Post by: Peter on 04 February, 2012, 01:35:50 pm
Post by: MattH on 04 February, 2012, 01:49:42 pm
Post by: Peter on 04 February, 2012, 01:56:45 pm
Post by: AndyH on 04 February, 2012, 02:40:29 pm
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.Yes, quite amazing, took me a few minutes to realise it was real, not a hallucination.
Post by: hellymedic on 04 February, 2012, 02:53:46 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
Just read mine. Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal.
G.
I note your name was spelt incorrectly...
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 February, 2012, 08:22:27 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non? It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .
Just read mine. Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal.
G.
I note your name was spelt incorrectly...
For as long as I can remember Ive gone through life getting all 3 of my names spelt incorrectly.
The only bit that occasionally gets me annoyed is being referred to as "Graham" especially by e-mail when the sender has alreday received a major clue in my e-mail address. Still, its helped in prioritising entries for events, especially mille alba. ;) :demon:
Post by: Ian H on 04 February, 2012, 10:48:44 pm
Post by: border-rider on 04 February, 2012, 10:58:57 pm
Still, it keeps the Post Office on their toes...maybe they can read Unicode
Post by: Bairn Again on 05 February, 2012, 12:17:32 pm
Surely the most appropriate approach would have been for the validation team to have contacted the organiser concerned and, more importantly, to have included that fact in the announcement while still preserving confidentiality by not stating the organisers name.
That may well have happened but to exclude this point from the announcement means that a finger of suspicion has been tacitly pointed at every AUK organiser. If the accused organiser has not been contacted following the complaint then I don't believe it was appropriate to make the announcement at all in Arrivee.
Interesting to see that this announcement is right next to an appeal for an organiser for the 2013 National 400. Perhaps it should have had had an advertising strapline "Roll up, roll up, organise audax events and be accused of cheating...."
Post by: Lycra Man on 05 February, 2012, 07:53:47 pm
Lycra Man
Post by: Kim on 05 February, 2012, 08:00:56 pm
I don't know why, but my Arrivee hasn't arrivee'd.
Probably holed up in a 24 hour garage forecourt until the snow subsides...
Post by: cyclone on 05 February, 2012, 10:24:21 pm
Mind you, its probably a good thing as I dont need reminding how poor my form has been since Easter 2011....
Post by: LadyVet on 06 February, 2012, 02:33:40 pm
Post by: Chris S on 06 February, 2012, 03:01:33 pm
Yeh! ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise ;D x lots.
That's terrible. You won something, and nobody told you? Not even an email?
Surely AUK can do better than that? I mean - it's not like the club is strapped for cash... :-\
Post by: Wothill on 06 February, 2012, 03:27:59 pm
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.I saw this guy too. I mentioned him to my brother who is also a hand cyclist. Shame he didn't finish - hell of a ride though - 800km using your arms.
Alf
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 06 February, 2012, 10:30:22 pm
Yeh! ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise ;D x lots.
That's terrible. You won something, and nobody told you? Not even an email?
Surely AUK can do better than that? I mean - it's not like the club is strapped for cash... :-\
But Directors / Committee keep awards quiet - I had no idea I had picked up my VETS points do dah - although they did know that I was going to be in York - maybe if they know you are not going to be there - they should speak to you.
Post by: mattc on 07 February, 2012, 10:14:46 am
Sadly they don't stick to this 100%, which possibly gives the wrong impression - I guess neither system is perfect.
Post by: LadyVet on 07 February, 2012, 10:57:52 am
But, the Mick Latimer is always a year behind and is only relevant to those keeping the Mileater diaries anyway. So, no more - please.
Great magazine as ever - really enjoyed the Doing it Proper and the RRTY Attempt reports (read when I couldn't sleep last night); it was good to meet Jonathan on the Heart of England (his 1st 300k I think) and it's great to see he completed his RRTY :thumbsup:
Post by: Lycra Man on 07 February, 2012, 10:30:17 pm
Chuffed, I am.
Lycra Man
Post by: Phixie on 08 February, 2012, 09:38:41 pm
Even more occasionally, Arrivées go astray en route, so if you fall into this deprived group, the same requests apply.
Regards,
RP
Post by: arvid on 08 February, 2012, 11:02:49 pm
My club states you should claim for awards (of the various sorts), which I think is a better system. The vast majority of riders in a position to win an award will be in a good position to know about it. If you're not sure (cos you don't know exactly what other riders have done), you claim anyway.
Yebbut I rather brag about it here.
My name is in the list of "new audaxers that did 200km or more", but not in the SR (p) list (it should be the other way around). That I appear in that first list is only because Ivo tells AUK about the rides he organizes. I don't bother to tell AUK about any BRMs I did.
Oh, and Arrivee and the Handbook arrived in a continental mailbox today.
Post by: cyclone on 09 February, 2012, 08:28:20 am
Good to see that there was someone brave enough to write of the non-qualifying of PBP, kinda makes us mere mortals feel a little better :thumbsup:
Post by: mikewigley on 09 February, 2012, 11:34:42 am
I get a most entertaining version of our address on the label.
Ah yes, I see what you mean. I blame Microsoft. Your address is OK on the database, it's only when I copy it into Excel for the mailing list that it goes awry. I've now taken the "roof" off your "house". If I can think of a fix, I'll put it back
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 February, 2012, 11:46:52 am
I blame Microsoft.
It's catching! You've been hanging around these fora for too long Mike.
Quote
I've now taken the "roof" off your "house". If I can think of a fix, I'll put it back
Well Mal could have done that himself, so I assumed he enjoyed his quarterly 'Arrivee lottery'.
Post by: Salvatore on 12 February, 2012, 11:07:29 am
Post by: damerell on 18 February, 2012, 07:13:13 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 22 February, 2012, 02:25:58 pm
Mike
Post by: iddu on 22 February, 2012, 05:16:08 pm
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee. Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur. I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it. Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?
Mike
http://lists.topica.com/lists/njrandonneurs/read/message.html?sort=t&mid=1720194322
Early 2006?
(Hello Laurent ;) )
Post by: JayP on 22 February, 2012, 07:51:48 pm
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee. Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur. I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it. Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?
Mike
I remember it. It was aterrific ride report called 'Riding the Maniac' co-written by Richard Parrote and another fella whose name I can't remember. Regarding when about 5 years ago (maybe longer) is my best estimate.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 22 February, 2012, 08:09:59 pm
Edit: good guess Iddu :thumbsup:
Post by: mcshroom on 08 May, 2012, 09:19:06 am
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 01:17:01 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
Post by: jogler on 08 May, 2012, 01:23:53 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
so has mine;as I read this
Post by: Peter on 08 May, 2012, 01:26:24 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 01:33:58 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
It starts on page 36...
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 01:45:34 pm
I kind of get the impression that the Arrivee team would like original submissions rather than just recycled internet content, is this the case? If it's not - then perhaps a thread here called "Arrivee Contributions" could be used - authors need only add a link to their online content and the Arrivee team could come and pick over the list whenever they need material.
Post by: Peter on 08 May, 2012, 02:06:41 pm
P.
Post by: mattc on 08 May, 2012, 02:27:23 pm
[see 'Correspondence Page' if you haven't yet. ]
Post by: mcshroom on 08 May, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
Post by: Ray 6701 on 08 May, 2012, 02:44:19 pm
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 02:46:10 pm
I've always viewed "Long Distance" in the same way as I've viewed the term "Hilly". Different meanings to different people.
However, anything less than 200km is not Randonneering - in so far as a Randonee in the cycling sense is a ride of 200km or more. But that wasn't the point of the letter - which, FWIW, I think Mike W handled very well.
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 08 May, 2012, 03:31:12 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Post by: MattH on 08 May, 2012, 03:36:07 pm
Adam got his photo in again, looking as cheerful on the bike as usual :)
And, according to "Just a Minute", with no deviations, repetition or hesitation we get to play AUK mission statements (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=59394.0) :thumbsup:
Post by: tonyh on 08 May, 2012, 03:45:04 pm
Adam got his photo in again, looking as cheerful on the bike as usual :)
Good picture! Nicely placed next to a shot of some battered old bloke at the other end of the age range.
(Oh, hang on, it's me!)
Post by: jogler on 08 May, 2012, 03:49:37 pm
yacf shirt
is that ChrisS & boab on the tandem?
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 03:54:42 pm
Page 10,middle pic extreme left.
yacf shirt
is that ChrisS & boab on the tandem?
No. It wasn't me. I wasn't there I tell ya!
Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 May, 2012, 05:33:51 pm
Do we all agree that GPS is cheating? I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.
;D It's a fair cop, I'll admit it, I cheat - all the time. If I didn't I'd get lost - all the time. Me looking at a map or route sheet is like watching a monkey staring at an abacus. Even with a GPS I can still get lost - just not all the time.
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 05:41:36 pm
Post by: Julian on 08 May, 2012, 05:42:45 pm
The trouble is that however hardcore someone is, there'll be someone else who is hairshirting it harder. Remember the joyless cock who joined the forum solely to tell PBP 2007 riders that if they used a bag drop they hadn't 'really' done PBP?
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting and did the whole distance fuelled only by water and my own sense of martyrdom... kind of attitude. It irks me.
It's not just AUK though, in any group there will be someone who feels the need to piss on others' chips to make themselves feel better.
Post by: jogler on 08 May, 2012, 05:52:40 pm
I think Mike W handled very well.
so do I.
It's sad that an individual has been dissuaded from being a member by intellectually impotent willy wavers :(
Post by: mattc on 08 May, 2012, 05:55:34 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.
But if it makes you feel any better, my chips were amply pissed on by a female TT marshall last year. (and yes, she was a lot faster than me - but why shouldn't she be? So is Nicole Cooke.)
[And I agree, Mikew's reply was top notch :thumbsup: ]
Post by: shyumu on 08 May, 2012, 05:56:54 pm
Looking forward to this edition and expecting to keep reading from cover to cover for the next three to four months.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 May, 2012, 06:37:26 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.
But if it makes you feel any better, my chips were amply pissed on by a female TT marshall last year. (and yes, she was a lot faster than me - but why shouldn't she be? So is Nicole Cooke.)
[And I agree, Mikew's reply was top notch :thumbsup: ]
There's no gender identification that letter. Many cyclists seem to discipline themselves by attempting to remain within a given category. In Veteran Time Trialling there are elaborate tables of times you should be doing at various ages. There's a lot of people with that mindset in Audax, women as well as men. They'll tend to be riding together, towards the front of the field, so there's rarely a clash of cultures with those whose times and figures betray a greater laxity, stumbling along at the back of the field.
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 06:53:31 pm
It's important to nurture people's self-awareness so they don't come across like the person who deterred that non-AUK.
I might have been guilty in the past, like many of us. I hope I'm not in future.
Post by: Euan Uzami on 08 May, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
Post by: GrahamG on 08 May, 2012, 07:55:41 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...
I've never known anything like this happen (maybe I'm too new to it and too young....ish...), but I would not hesitate to dish out a firm STFU to anyone being such a twat. Is it just 'men of a certain age'?
Post by: slohill on 08 May, 2012, 08:18:06 pm
Arrivée does smell quite nice this quarter. Has it been printed on special high quality glossy paper?
I think it's the ink rather than the paper---but yes it does smell rather nice. :)
Post by: Julian on 08 May, 2012, 08:20:21 pm
Post by: mcshroom on 08 May, 2012, 08:21:44 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 08:28:22 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...
I've never known anything like this happen (maybe I'm too new to it and too young....ish...), but I would not hesitate to dish out a firm STFU to anyone being such a twat. Is it just 'men of a certain age'?
IME it's been men of *any* age, but some men have had it from women.
Post by: Julian on 08 May, 2012, 08:29:22 pm
AUK - where we sniff our own magazines :P
Have you suggested that for the AUK tagline? ;D
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 08:31:37 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 08 May, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!
Roneo, Roneo, wherefore art thou, Roneo?
Post by: smurphboy on 08 May, 2012, 09:10:00 pm
Oohhhh, boot polish.
I'm off to smell stuff.
Post by: Peter on 08 May, 2012, 09:12:06 pm
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!
Roneo, Roneo, wherefore art thou, Roneo?
Helly, how long have you been saving that up?! Excellent!
I'm afraid I can't agree with Arrivee's wonderful smell. I've had to leave mine out in the yard all day to get rid of the chemical fumes! But the magazine is great and Mike Wigley's response to that disappointing letter is first-class. We've got a few 50s up here in the North-West that I think might tax some of the hair-shirt brigade, never mind 100s. I like to ride hard (though that's not fast by many people's standards) but I don't care what distance people want to ride - I just love that they are riding.
Post by: Charlie Boy on 08 May, 2012, 09:17:18 pm
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...
Oohhhh, boot polish.
I'm off to smell stuff.
Tarmac. They're resurfacing the road outside the office. I keep going outside for a sniff.
Like the new logo too.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 May, 2012, 09:42:17 pm
IMO it does need to be discussed. It's really important to encourage newbies; they are our seedcorn.
It's important to nurture people's self-awareness so they don't come across like the person who deterred that non-AUK.
I might have been guilty in the past, like many of us. I hope I'm not in future.
Well said. We need newbies. We were all one once.
Post by: Jules on 08 May, 2012, 09:43:30 pm
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...
Oohhhh, boot polish.
I'm off to smell stuff.
Tarmac. They're resurfacing the road outside the office. I keep going outside for a sniff.
Beat me too it. The gas company (whoever they are this week) are currently (yes 9:40pm) noisily digging up the street outside my house to fix a leak so hopefully they'll be something to sniff soon.
Post by: mike on 08 May, 2012, 09:47:16 pm
Post by: AndyH on 08 May, 2012, 09:59:50 pm
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotumOur glorious moderator, perchance?
Was it just me or is the chap on the inside front cover going the wrong way?
Post by: 3peaker on 08 May, 2012, 10:00:48 pm
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?
He is certainly mine. It reminded me of the true meaning of Club Spirit and the euphoria of finishing is something I will never forget. A few years ago I finished a John Ward 1000km by attaching 2 weary solos (Chris Crossland + Stefan E?) across the New Forest behind my Trike. I forced the pace and we finished with 15mins to spare.
Post by: Wild Rover on 08 May, 2012, 10:01:14 pm
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting
Oh dear, I don't remember reading that in the handbook so I went out to practice.
How do you repair a nailhole and remove blood from a Brooks Swift? :(
Post by: JJ on 08 May, 2012, 10:28:39 pm
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?
He is certainly mine. It reminded me of the true meaning of Club Spirit and the euphoria of finishing is something I will never forget. A few years ago I finished a John Ward 1000km by attaching 2 weary solos (Chris Crossland + Stefan E?) across the New Forest behind my Trike. I forced the pace and we finished with 15mins to spare.
a) What goes around comes around. You help him last week, I help you this week. He helps me next week.
b) It was an absolute blast, and it saved me from what had become a morose plod, with plenty of time in hand but too slow to be a great ride.
c) I cried a little when I saw Yoshi was classified as a finisher. That really was quite tight wasn't it!
So there.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 08:25:03 am
For the record (cos if 1 person has misunderstood me, maybe 200 will):I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.
Er, so why start a discussion on it? :facepalm: If I didn't know you better Matt, I'd call that trolling!
It's clear to me that GPS isn't cheating*. I have discussed the little magic boxes at length with many riders over the years, and I genuinely don't believe I've met ANYONE that thinks they are cheating!
Which brings me to my next point: I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter. (And if so, it reinforces that women get pretty much the same treatment as men in our club - a few gentle jokes help the miles go by.)
*the main reason being - as I think Julian posted - Audax is a cycling challenge, not a navigational one.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 May, 2012, 08:38:57 am
Which brings me to my next point: I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter. (And if so, it reinforces that women get pretty much the same treatment as men in our club - a few gentle jokes help the miles go by.)
You could be right, we don't know, the fact that it happened more than once suggests everything might not be so innocent. I have read the letter plus Mike's reply and the whole sorry affair will hopefully make me think twice before dishing out banter that might be misinterpreted.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 08:48:04 am
... the fact that it happened more than once suggests everything might not be so innocent.Does it? Why? Maybe she just made the same conclusion when hearing the same comment. GPS is a pretty common topic for conversation on a flippin Audax, so it's not surprising it came up more than once.
You are right about "banter that might be misinterpreted", but there must be some limits. Perhaps I should stick to the weather - or just not speak to people, thus fuelling the bonkers "never make eye contact" stereotype.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 May, 2012, 08:52:35 am
You are right about "banter that might be misinterpreted", but there must be some limits. Perhaps I should stick to the weather - or just not speak to people, thus fuelling the bonkers "never make eye contact" stereotype.
I agree, people shouldn't be too sensitive. I'm a great one for dishing out the banter and generally taking the piss, but then I get a lot back which I don't mind at all. Occasionally I get it wrong and cause a bit of offence :'( To prevent this I try to only get involved in mickey taking with people I know, not people I've just met. This seems to work O:-) :smug:
Post by: ferret on 09 May, 2012, 08:57:19 am
1 x 200 & 2 x 100's I fully intend to carry on with the 100's so I can get my brevet 500 or what ever it is, I will also do some more 200's as well, when time and fitness allow:) and if any one wants to tell me my 100's aren't worth doing they will be told were they can put their sodding bikes in a very descriptive manner, if it's general banter I will of course do it with a smile :)
100k is a good distance it is relatively quick to do, doesn't take all day and you still get a sense of achievement at the finish, plus it's good practice for the longer rides if you ever feel like doing them, It's a shame the young lady doesn't come on this forum she would get a much better idea of what audaxing is about, I have received useful answers to (stupid) questions, worked out how to solve problems from reading through old posts, I can even let off steam in the right place :)
Edit; I still go wrong even with GPS :)
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 May, 2012, 08:59:38 am
...It's a shame the young lady doesn't come on this forum ...
I e-mailed her and suggested she drop in for a quick look.
Post by: ferret on 09 May, 2012, 09:13:17 am
Post by: Veloman on 09 May, 2012, 09:13:39 am
Regards the introduction of banter, I often remind people that what is considered banter by some is considered offensive by others. Banter is often used as an excuse for saying things that are later challenged as being inappropriate; “oh, it was only banter”.
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted. Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.
There’s ample scope for polite conversation and motivating others without the need for banter. I am aware that some riders may not have the social skills or emotional intelligence to differentiate what is acceptable or not and this will happen in all walks of life.
I think Mike summed it up well with his comment ‘there are some thoughtless people in AUK’. Hopefully/thankfully these are the minority and their actions should not be encouraged by justifying such inappropriate behaviour.
Post by: Jaded on 09 May, 2012, 09:16:14 am
Very well said.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 May, 2012, 09:26:55 am
I'm a definite newbie, having only done one audax (and that felt like cheating because I was led around by a team).
Maybe I should expand on my brief writeup that is on here somewhere and send it in. No pictures, tho'.
I found the article on the round the world people fascinating, wanted more details. The lack of experience of some of the riders was appalling; the one on a minimal-spoked road bike, no proper luggage; what were the organisers thinking of, letting this child out? When queried about his high gears, his response was that he wasn't going up any hills - then went through the Pyrenees.
BTW, Mike Hall is in the USA atm, pass 21k and still going strong.
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 May, 2012, 09:31:07 am
I kind of get the impression that the Arrivee team would like original submissions rather than just recycled internet content, is this the case? If it's not - then perhaps a thread here called "Arrivee Contributions" could be used - authors need only add a link to their online content and the Arrivee team could come and pick over the list whenever they need material.
I'm sure the Arrivee editors would be very happy with recyled internet content. The point is it has to be 'pushed' to them - they are not going to go trawling for it. Not only is that too much work, but then they would have to seek permission etc. By having content pushed to them by the author, they know they have permission to publish.
I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter
I think that's probably right. The thing about banter is that you can often unwittingly catch someone in a bad moment.
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 May, 2012, 09:43:06 am
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
"No, its my GPS bleeping at me to say we've both just missed a turning!"
Post by: Jaded on 09 May, 2012, 09:50:26 am
The majority of kilometres completed under the Audax banner are on 100km rides.
It takes a lot of effort to write a letter, compared with just not renewing or turning up ever again.
If Audax is to grow and thrive, then people have to start somewhere.
If you spend many of your summer hours around people that do 200, 300, 400, 600, 1200 km rides, then there is a serious risk that you start to think it is normal and anything else is abnormal. Then you are more likely to put others off.
Post by: Veloman on 09 May, 2012, 09:50:46 am
I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter
I think that's probably right. The thing about banter is that you can often unwittingly catch someone in a bad moment.
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
Why is it her fault for misinterpreting? We appear to be justifying the actions of others.
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.
Regards the example of crank/knees, why even mention the knees! Why not a pleasant “hello, how it going?” Might even get a response that relates to the noise at which point help or a solution might be provided. The crank/knees comment is ‘lose/lose’ for that person in that it either infers poor maintenance (crank) or deteriorating body (knees). If the urge is so great to comment then how about self deprecating route of “gosh, my knees make a similar sound to that”. Better still not to remind the rider of something that is probably annoying them and just comment without reference to the noise. Let them introduce it rather than point something out they might even be embarrassed about.
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 May, 2012, 09:55:51 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.
Hence the
Post by: Julian on 09 May, 2012, 09:56:26 am
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting
Oh dear, I don't remember reading that in the handbook so I went out to practice.
How do you repair a nailhole and remove blood from a Brooks Swift? :(
Put a ring through the nailhole and keep the blood for posterity :D
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 09:56:55 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
Post by: Julian on 09 May, 2012, 10:04:06 am
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted. Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.
Exactly that.
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying.
I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
Post by: eeymsmo on 09 May, 2012, 10:05:21 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.
Hence thegrimpeaceful silence that I and many others prefer to maintain, whilst cycling.
Maybe next season's handbook could come with a set of laminated cards containing committee approved phrases? Obviously these would need to be in large enough type to be held up to a fellow audaxer to read, as we wouldn't want intonation or breathlessness (or lack of) to colour the message. :demon:
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 May, 2012, 10:09:00 am
Post by: Veloman on 09 May, 2012, 10:10:06 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull. Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 10:11:51 am
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying."most" is the key there.
I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
I commend her for taking the trouble to write (as most of us just whinge about this stuff behind anonymous web IDs), and it proves she clearly saw a real problem. But that doesn't mean she correctly interpreted the comments.
Maybe she did, maybe she didn't - I wasn't there. But my best guess, based on experience of other riders and the fact that it's ABSURD to label GPS as cheating, is: Banter.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 10:13:31 am
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull. Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2012, 10:15:18 am
Post by: Julian on 09 May, 2012, 10:17:11 am
But that doesn't mean she correctly interpreted the comments.
I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
Oh, the juxtaposition.
My face it palms.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 10:21:33 am
My face it palms.Always a winning argument!
Post by: pangolin on 09 May, 2012, 10:27:49 am
I'm doing a 400 on Saturday, and have only done 2 audaxes before (100 and 200). Everyone I spoke to on those Audaxes was friendly. A thread I started about the 400 got useful responses, especially from Martin.
However I now fear I shall be offended on Saturday, so I intend to purchase one of these scrolling message boards
http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIGN-MATRIX-IBADGE-SCROLLING-MESSAGE/dp/B0076WCOTK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1336554929&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIGN-MATRIX-IBADGE-SCROLLING-MESSAGE/dp/B0076WCOTK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1336554929&sr=1-1)
I shall print out some shorthand codes that I will ask the organiser to hand out with brevet cards. These codes will then be proudly displayed just under my rear, informing approaching riders whether they may speak to me, and if so, whether they may make jokes.
I strongly suggest you all follow suit.
Post by: Peter on 09 May, 2012, 10:30:08 am
Good luck on your ride!
Post by: vorsprung on 09 May, 2012, 10:36:20 am
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting and did the whole distance fuelled only by water and my own sense of martyrdom... kind of attitude. It irks me.
Riding audax is just a bit of fun, regardless of the distance.
People riding 100km and looking a bit grim about it should be reminded of this occasionally
People riding vast distances should remember this at all times.
Audax doesn't make you important.
And even if it did, it's nice to be important but more important to be nice.
Post by: Veloman on 09 May, 2012, 10:37:19 am
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.The world would be a duller place.
All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull. Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
Didn’t have to try ‘very hard’ at all.
The ‘world would be a duller place’ comment was in response to the proposition that if a comment has to be made then ensure it ‘leaves no room for misinterpreting’. Therefore, the logical interpretation of the response is that comments that leave no room for misinterpretation are dull.
Anyway, time for a ride of less than 100km and with GPS. Hope I don’t meet any of the ‘thoughtless people in AUK’ that Mike refers to.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 10:39:31 am
The ‘world would be a duller place’ comment was in response to the proposition that if a comment has to be made then ensure it ‘leaves no room for misinterpreting’. Therefore, the logical interpretation of the response is that comments that leave no room for misinterpretation are dull.No, it quite clearly isn't.
Variety is the spice of life.
Post by: ferret on 09 May, 2012, 10:40:31 am
when does one stop being a newbie ?
Post by: Dinamo on 09 May, 2012, 10:41:56 am
Post by: Charlie Boy on 09 May, 2012, 10:55:31 am
The more bums on Brooks, the better, regardless of distance.
Post by: Karla on 09 May, 2012, 11:08:07 am
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted. Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.
Exactly that.
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying.
I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
On the one hand, my years on this forum have taught me that the world of audax includes some rude and nasty folk who will stop at nothing to put down and discourage other people :demon:
On the other hand, we're all usually quite tired at the end of a long ride, so the potential both for misinterpreting and for being misinterpreted is quite high. In all seriousness I've met some odd folk while out on rides, but I've also met some in normal life, so on a ride of 100 people I'll account the presence of odd/unpleasant folk to random variation. Yes we need to be more welcoming, but we're never going to please everyone and offence has to be taken as well as given. The organiser isn't responsible for the interpersonal conduct of all the people on his ride.
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2012, 11:09:12 am
Gentle ribbing is fine, but it needs to be judged carefully and is best avoided if you don't know the person you're speaking to very well.
On a more positive note, re JJ...
I think it was the Anfractuous a few years ago when I'd had two punctures within the first 10km before realising that the cause was a wonky brake block rubbing a hole in my tyre. I was at the side of the road, installing my last spare tube and wondering whether it was worth the risk of carrying on, when JJ (who I'd never met properly before then, though I'd encountered him once or twice on other rides) rolls up and very kindly donates his tyre boot. I went on to complete the ride without further incident. So yes, three cheers for JJ!
d.
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2012, 11:17:05 am
On the other hand, we're all usually quite tired at the end of a long ride, so the potential both for misinterpreting and for being misinterpreted is quite high.
Ha! Yes, I remember making some ill-advised comments towards a certain highly esteemed senior couple of Yorkshire-born cyclists when in such a state towards the end of a 400 once. Felt rather embarrassed when I reflected on it afterwards. Fortunately, I think they were thick-skinned enough not to allow it to put them off audaxing.
d.
Post by: Bairdy on 09 May, 2012, 11:29:21 am
It's one of the many reasons I enjoy it.
Post by: Camrider on 09 May, 2012, 11:39:10 am
I'm still in my 1st year of audaxing and have not personally come across this but in any organization there will be the odd pillock who speaks before engaging brain, and if you come up against this early on it might be somewhat off putting as first impressions are potent.
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 11:40:14 am
Ahem (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58516.msg1205416#msg1205416)
I have used the expression 'GPS is cheating'.
I have used the expression 'training is cheating'.
I have used the expression 'I wouldn't bother with only a hundred'. I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
Clearly I need to go back to my corner and return to avoiding eye contact and indulging in solo self flagellation, for fear of offending delicate sensitivities.
I'm sorry the rider felt that way.
Post by: Chris S on 09 May, 2012, 11:59:40 am
Post by: iddu on 09 May, 2012, 12:01:58 pm
I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
I foat u waz taking yer bed with you theze daze? ;D
Post by: Felicity on 09 May, 2012, 12:52:44 pm
A non sequitur there, since failure to greet fellow audaxers can itself cause offence. I'm afraid I reserve a special dislike for people who swoop past nose in air with no attempt to return a proffered greeting.
Post by: Datameister on 09 May, 2012, 12:57:20 pm
"a special dislike for people who swoop past nose in air
Indeed, the correct position for a nose is about 1/4 inch off the front wheel, and 2 inches ahead of gritted teeth, or else you're not doing it right........or something like that.
On the subject of distance, 25% of the rides I organise are 50km. Perhaps I should run them with a stock apology for time wasting.... ::-)
Post by: Karla on 09 May, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
I found the article on the round the world people fascinating, wanted more details. The lack of experience of some of the riders was appalling; the one on a minimal-spoked road bike, no proper luggage; what were the organisers thinking of, letting this child out? When queried about his high gears, his response was that he wasn't going up any hills - then went through the Pyrenees.
BTW, Mike Hall is in the USA atm, pass 21k and still going strong.
Martin Walker billed himself as "Not an athlete or an adventurer, just a dad trying to show a daughter what is possible in life." He then managed to do pretty darn well, being in second place for most of the way. Sadly, this has just appeared on his Twitter feed:
"I regret to announce that I have retired from the race due to injury. I will return home, recuperate and then restart. I am gutted"
As for "What were the organisers thinking of?", Vin Cox set this race up a bit like the Sunday Times Golden Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Times_Golden_Globe_Race) race, where anyone attempting the trip would be included. He then had to stop - I'm not sure why - so the race is now organised by the riders themselves.
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 01:05:06 pm
You forgot "Audaxing on a tandem is cheating". ;)How could I forget that one :facepalm:
Surely not. That'd be cheating :PI think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
I foat u waz taking yer bed with you theze daze? ;D
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 May, 2012, 01:08:43 pm
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position?
I think they will be the recumbent riders, poor things always have to go about with their noses in the air.
Post by: Kim on 09 May, 2012, 01:15:45 pm
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position?
I think they will be the recumbent riders, poor things always have to go about with their noses in the air.
Putting their best foot forward, though. Which is cheating.
Post by: PloddinPedro on 09 May, 2012, 01:23:19 pm
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
That would be this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS)
... or perhaps this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx)
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway. I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 01:35:29 pm
I hate the B-word, which IME is usually used to excuse gratuitous offensiveness in the name of attempted "humour" that nearly always misses the mark.Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.
Gentle ribbing is fine, but it needs to be judged carefully and is best avoided if you don't know the person you're speaking to very well.
[ No, I'm not going to let this lie! ]
Post by: Bendy Bianchi on 09 May, 2012, 01:40:13 pm
Post by: Peter on 09 May, 2012, 01:43:54 pm
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.
[ No, I'm not going to let this lie! ]
Yebbut the B-word is badly overused and is often a byword for the kind of crass, idiotic, unfunny "humour" you'd expect to be subjected to if you were down the pub with Andy Gray and Richard Keays, hence I prefer to avoid it.
d.
Post by: eeymsmo on 09 May, 2012, 02:03:40 pm
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway. I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
It looks like they're password protected. If I follow one of the links you used - http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS - I get told "A user authentication error or session timeout has occurred.".
They'll work for you as you're logged in to the service.
Post by: iddu on 09 May, 2012, 02:03:48 pm
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon
Your embedded URL's are incorrect (tags whitepaced for exposure)
[i m g]http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx[/i m g] requests user login.
Most likely just missing relevant filename.extension, e.g. [I M G]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20110516%20-%20Misc/DSC00003.jpg[/i m g]
[Edit: x-p with eeymsmo]
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 May, 2012, 04:14:58 pm
On the subject of distance, 25% of the rides I organise are 50km. Perhaps I should run them with a stock apology for time wasting.... ::-)
I think the 50k rides are our most popular ones. It's a good way to introduce kids & beginners to the joys of Audax without half killing em ;)
50k one year 100k the next, etcetera, etcetera ..... not everyone is capable of or has the time to train for the longer events, doesn't mean they're putting in any less effort to finish in time though.
Post by: citoyen on 09 May, 2012, 04:22:57 pm
It really doesn't matter who is doing these events or why - they don't need to justify themselves to anyone. Especially not the mardy old twats you sometimes encounter on audaxes.
d.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 05:26:05 pm
No-one is bashing sub-200k events! No-one wants to have less of them. No-one thinks you are sub-human if you haven't ridden 200k+.*
Can we move on? Please?
*Except possibly fboab.
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
*Except possibly fboab.Hey, I think you're sub-human if you
- ride sub 200k events
- ride a tandem
- ride a recumbent
- have white frame, bar tape or saddle
- ride faster than me
- ride slower than me
- have a beard, brooks, or carradice
- wear a helmet, or hi-vis
- are male
- are female
- are thinner than me
- are fatter than me
I'm pretty indiscriminate in my discrimination.
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 05:41:55 pm
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 05:42:22 pm
Post by: Ian H on 09 May, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
Mind you, there are famous stories of bad-tempered unsocialised auks. One such would ride alongside a complete stranger and start a 'conversation' about how that person's frame was too small/large, saddle too high, wrong tyres, etc. He's been punched on the nose at least once in response. Nice enough bloke when you get to know him. He posts occasionally here.
Post by: Karla on 09 May, 2012, 05:58:29 pm
Post by: Karla on 09 May, 2012, 05:59:25 pm
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 05:59:36 pm
The internet abounds with tales of sportifs pissing off the public; with litter, wrong-side-of-road riding, clogging up popular roads, RLJing, peeing in full view of female sheep etc etc ...
(There's a recent thread on Tri-talk if you want to get upto date.)
"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 May, 2012, 06:02:35 pm
"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
Is that our new mission statement :thumbsup:
Post by: JJ on 09 May, 2012, 06:26:38 pm
Right! I'm off now to learn another few pages of the phone book.
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2012, 06:57:12 pm
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
That would be this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS)
... or perhaps this one ..... (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx)
EDIT - doh! This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway. I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Post by: Grandad on 09 May, 2012, 08:37:14 pm
Quote
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
If you use Photobucket once you have loaded a picture clicking on it gives a menu that includes an image number. Clicking on this copies both the number and the img "wrapping" commands - paste this and it's a one click job..
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2012, 08:47:34 pm
Post by: Tewdric on 09 May, 2012, 08:52:09 pm
An attempt at (relative) positivity:
The internet abounds with tales of sportifs pissing off the public; with litter, wrong-side-of-road riding, clogging up popular roads, RLJing, peeing in full view of female sheep etc etc ...
(There's a recent thread on Tri-talk if you want to get upto date.)
"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
I was somewhat disappointed to turn up at the finish of the Brevet Cymru to give Blacksheep a couple of hours respite, fully prepared to give unconditional love and care to tired, fractious and downright rude riders, to find that everyone who came in was in good spirits and, in the odd case, even quite chirpy.
Post by: jogler on 09 May, 2012, 09:03:32 pm
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 10:11:11 pm
everyone who came in was in good spirits and, in the odd case, even quite chirpy.
Freaks! I hate people like that!
Post by: hellymedic on 09 May, 2012, 10:46:25 pm
He had seen me in other exhausting rides so I must have been fairly far gone.
Post by: PloddinPedro on 09 May, 2012, 10:57:33 pm
......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Ok, I've tried Flickr instead - the image is at http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC) which seems to work OK
But if I put it between tags to get the image embedded in this thread, I just get this: (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 May, 2012, 11:10:51 pm
Thanks iddu and eeymsmo for the advice, but I'm still stumped. I have a vague recollection that there's a size limit for any image to appear in the thread itself, so I've recopied it down to 93KB and reposted it to Flickr.......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Ok, I've tried Flickr instead - the image is at http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC) which seems to work OK
But if I put it between tags to get the image embedded in this thread, I just get this: (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5465/7167243954_64cf6e942b.jpg)
Such a sweet pair, the one on the back looks positive angelic. Just proves, appearances can deceive.
That was painful.
Something screwy about Flickr. I had to get the flickr 'embed this in html' code then extract the link from that. Much prefer picasa
Post by: Karla on 09 May, 2012, 11:37:28 pm
Post by: Ian H on 09 May, 2012, 11:40:33 pm
Ian, did anybody ever tell you that talking about yourself in the third person is the second sign of madness?
You're channeling Hummers, which is worrying in one so young.
Post by: PloddinPedro on 10 May, 2012, 08:17:53 am
The dynamic duo again ....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7169419744_a6138a9ab9.jpg)
Yea, it works!!
Post by: L CC on 10 May, 2012, 08:19:34 am
Post by: Peter on 10 May, 2012, 08:26:15 am
Post by: Chris S on 10 May, 2012, 08:47:03 am
Post by: Feline on 10 May, 2012, 10:42:33 pm
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
What you need is a Tewdric finishing-hug, great for warming you up after a long ride and he toasts you tea cakes too :thumbsup:
Post by: Feline on 10 May, 2012, 10:45:40 pm
Does anyone on here really think that long-distance cycling (or indeed an internat forum) predominantly attracts the socially ept with a gift for empathy? I think one needs to bear in mind that the person with whom one interacts on a ride may well need help with interactions, and one may oneself be similarly challenged, all unawares.
Right! I'm off now to learn another few pages of the phone book.
+1 to this. I like to Audax predominantly because I'm not expected to mix with/be judged by normal people while I do it. If I am socially inappropriate then sorry, I probably didn't mean it but I most likely didn't know any better ;D
Post by: dasmi on 14 May, 2012, 10:31:22 pm
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
When I finished last year I fell asleep in my tea cake :facepalm:
Guess which arrivee article has generated the most response on yahoo audax groups ????
dave
Post by: Chuffy on 14 May, 2012, 11:23:44 pm
However, looking around on the inside page for submission info it was a bit depressing to find the instruction 'go look in the Handbook' rather than anything more user-friendly. :facepalm:
Post by: Ian H on 15 May, 2012, 08:13:40 am
Picking up on Tim's plaintive cry for articles I'vebashed outlovingly crafted an epic write-up of Sundays Old Roads 300k *and* nicked some quality pics from my mate Dave.
However, looking around on the inside page for submission info it was a bit depressing to find the instruction 'go look in the Handbook' rather than anything more user-friendly. :facepalm:
The handbook gives guidelines on content, formatting, pics, etc. Basically, send plain text with large photo files to Tim (see also PM).
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2012, 08:51:27 am
Post by: mattc on 15 May, 2012, 08:55:34 am
I too am thinking ofHow about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.putting pen to paperfinger tips to keyboard. I'm wondering if this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article. The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
Jo's 'alternative' annotated map of the MC1k was one of the best things in Arrivee for years, but you don't need to do anything that sophisticated!
(Obviously you need to check copyright issues)
Post by: pangolin on 15 May, 2012, 08:58:55 am
Post by: mattc on 15 May, 2012, 09:00:53 am
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2012, 09:08:21 am
I too am thinking ofHow about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.putting pen to paperfinger tips to keyboard. I'm wondering if this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article. The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
Jo's 'alternative' annotated map of the MC1k was one of the best things in Arrivee for years, but you don't need to do anything that sophisticated!
(Obviously you need to check copyright issues)
That's a good idea. I keep the GPS tracks of all my rides. I wonder what's the best way of translating them into a publishable format? And, what do I do about copyright issues?
Post by: mattc on 15 May, 2012, 09:12:14 am
Post by: pangolin on 15 May, 2012, 09:13:22 am
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19720.1170 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19720.1170)
Post by: mattc on 15 May, 2012, 09:18:02 am
My ride report delivered through the medium of cartography:
(http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.jpg)
You'll need to view the PDF version (http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.pdf) to read the text.
I think Jo cheated - he used a wide-nib pen instead of crayon. Nevertheless, he produced something best appreciated in a printed magazine, cup of tea by the sofa :thumbsup:
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 May, 2012, 09:21:02 am
That's a good idea. I keep the GPS tracks of all my rides. I wonder what's the best way of translating them into a publishable format? And, what do I do about copyright issues?
You could use something like GPSVisualizer to overlay the track on an OSM map, and screendump that. OSM is not technically copyright-free, but near enough I would think.
And with that particular method, you can do clever things like having the Track colour vary depending on altitude.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2012, 10:13:14 am
Post by: mcshroom on 15 May, 2012, 10:19:24 am
[ETA]
Actually, having had a look at the OS Opendata Licence (http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.pdf) I think you could use their 1:250k road maps if you put the appropriate acknowledgement on it.
I don't know if this would be fully legal[1], but I would probably stick the gpx into Mapyx Quo (free download and the OS 1:250k is free to download on there IIRC) and make a pdf from there.
[1] The map is IMHO legal to use, but there may be some proprietry stuff in the way Quo has formatted it I don't know about
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 May, 2012, 11:12:11 am
(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/snake.jpg)
(edit: replaced with 'better' version)
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2012, 11:18:28 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 May, 2012, 11:34:15 am
Huge range of options available here, before you 'draw a map' - many are hidden at first.
See 'Track Options' (you can colorize by speed, altitude or gradient, among others)
and also 'show advanced options' (to fine-tune the colours). It gets quite elaborate!
Post by: mattc on 15 May, 2012, 11:36:44 am
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2012, 11:41:58 am
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input)
Huge range of options available here, before you 'draw a map' - many are hidden at first.
See 'Track Options' (you can colorize by speed, altitude or gradient, among others)
and also 'show advanced options' (to fine-tune the colours). It gets quite elaborate!
That's excellent! Many thanks.
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 May, 2012, 01:02:02 pm
Line art produced on the computer - such as a map - I find that if it's looking good on screen you can simply doublesize the image (ie double the width, and height to scale) and it will look good, though smaller, in Arrivee. 2250px will fill the width of a page (allowing for margins, 190mm) so you can work with a map size on screen of half that, which is comfortably within most monitors or even a browser window - on my monitor 1125px is about a foot across, a very comfortable working size.
So the map example I put upthread, for example, is 560px, it only took me a few minutes and without any further work this would upsize to 1120 and print as 95mm wide on an Arrivee page looking good and sharp. (Tim would trim that - it's slightly too big for 1 column of 2 - 530px /~/ 90mm would be better.)
(Photos obviously you just submit a big file (big in terms of pixel count) that Tim can downsize to fit as appropriate (the full A4 is approx 9Mpx, 3600x2500 allowing a bit for bleed). Jpegs are fine, I've had a lot of photos in Arrivee over the years and all my recent submissions (including cover shots) have been jpeg only.)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 15 May, 2012, 07:52:15 pm
Post by: mtrike on 15 May, 2012, 08:29:50 pm
*Except possibly fboab.Hey, I think you're sub-human if you
- ride sub 200k events
- ride a tandem
- ride a recumbent
- have white frame, bar tape or saddle
- ride faster than me
- ride slower than me
- have a beard, brooks, or carradice
- wear a helmet, or hi-vis
- are male
- are female
- are thinner than me
- are fatter than me
I'm pretty indiscriminate in my discrimination.
I'm concerned about this concept of banter. It's bad enough riding without having to interact with others.
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 May, 2012, 11:10:54 pm
Post by: arallsopp on 16 May, 2012, 05:06:37 pm
I see Roly Cockwell has metamorphosed into Andy Allsopp on the inside cover. I know this to be true because I took that photo with Roly's camera, at Coxwold :D.
Ah, but were you pointing it at me?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 16 May, 2012, 05:15:30 pm
I've had photos published at up to full page with my meagre 3 megapixel camera. Its as much the quality of lens that matters as the resolution of the image.
Being there at the right time is helpful.
(http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a087.jpg)
Post by: GrahamG on 17 May, 2012, 11:33:28 am
Post by: PeeJay on 17 May, 2012, 11:42:56 am
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed, where is it?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 May, 2012, 12:05:48 pm
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed, where is it?
Specifically here. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Clachtoll&hl=en&ll=58.177141,-5.27421&spn=0.008542,0.015471&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.668567,31.68457&t=h&hnear=Clachtoll,+Highland,+United+Kingdom&z=16&layer=c&cbll=58.177084,-5.273971&panoid=cTTAQ_JLtvU8nYIkdd1igQ&cbp=12,145.92,,0,14.47
I can remember when it looked like this.
(http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/Scotland%20Photos/Sutherland,%20Lochinver,%20Peaks%20of%20Canisp,%20Suilven,%20and%20Coulmore.jpg)
There's a film of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2n9ztQq7w&feature=g-upl
I tried to get a cover shot of the BCM in 2007 and 2010, this one holds a few memories.
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/1179679063Bryan_.jpg)
I've been experimenting with making some of my films available at appropriate times, so I've made these two public again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZiRgPYKl4&feature=g-upl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU&feature=g-upl
Post by: citoyen on 17 May, 2012, 12:19:37 pm
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.Yeah agreed...
+1
Makes me want to move to Scotland.
d.
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2012, 01:45:50 pm
Post by: Jaded on 17 May, 2012, 01:47:34 pm
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2012, 03:03:54 pm
Scotland or my knee?
ETA
but you toucha ma mojo,I smasha your face :hand:
Post by: shyumu on 01 August, 2012, 10:48:44 am
That's work finished for the day then.
Post by: DrMekon on 01 August, 2012, 11:25:15 am
Post by: jogler on 01 August, 2012, 11:32:56 am
Hooray! Arrivée est arrivé!
That's work finished for the day then.
+1 ;D
a quickflick suggests it's going to be a good 'un & read several times over.
Post by: shyumu on 01 August, 2012, 11:36:51 am
Post by: shyumu on 01 August, 2012, 11:38:00 am
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?
yhpm
Post by: GrahamG on 01 August, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
Post by: mattc on 01 August, 2012, 02:47:06 pm
[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
Post by: L CC on 01 August, 2012, 03:42:44 pm
(I haven't read it yet as I'm being a dirty stop-out this week)
Post by: jogler on 01 August, 2012, 04:35:31 pm
Is that a gauntlet I see before me?
that sounds like something Lady Macbeth might have said ;)
Post by: Dinamo on 02 August, 2012, 07:25:19 am
Post by: mikewigley on 02 August, 2012, 08:11:28 am
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?
Me! PM me your real name and current address and I'll see where we sent it.
Post by: mikewigley on 02 August, 2012, 08:29:13 am
Post by: vorsprung on 02 August, 2012, 09:13:22 am
Two of my photos from the 'Avalon Sunrise' have been included ;D
That's the Avalon Sunrise 200 apparently. Dunno who runs that ;D Nice one of Jono and his mate.
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 August, 2012, 10:43:53 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 August, 2012, 10:44:48 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.
You drew on the form ;D
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 August, 2012, 11:47:08 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.
You drew on the form ;D
The fly sheet was BLANK - just a name and adress on one side and clear open space on the other
Post by: tonyh on 02 August, 2012, 11:48:20 am
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 August, 2012, 11:55:01 am
There should have been another sheet, under the address sheet.
Hi Tony I thank you for clarifying. There was nothing else, oh well,
Post by: tonyh on 02 August, 2012, 12:05:55 pm
Post by: jogler on 02 August, 2012, 12:36:10 pm
The fly sheet was BLANK - just a name and adress on one side and clear open space on the other
as was mine.
ETA
Hi Tony I thank you for clarifying. There was nothing else, oh well,
same here.
Post by: Ian H on 02 August, 2012, 01:15:33 pm
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 August, 2012, 01:43:44 pm
Have you shaken the magazine?
Yep !! All that arrived was one magazine, one flysheet blank and one polythen outer.
Post by: Willesden guy on 02 August, 2012, 02:25:38 pm
Tim W
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 August, 2012, 03:04:29 pm
Blacksheep: Send me your email and I'll send you a PDF of the AGM booking form.
Tim W
Cheers Tim, PM sent.
Post by: Jaded on 02 August, 2012, 08:29:46 pm
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.
[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
Hmmm. Victoria Hufton-Left, you think?
Post by: clarion on 02 August, 2012, 08:56:08 pm
Post by: shyumu on 03 August, 2012, 03:11:18 am
Only one yacf jersey spotted this time. Poor show. But loads of forumites, of course, including two authors of articles.
:) Thanks
Post by: clarion on 03 August, 2012, 07:50:57 am
Post by: shyumu on 03 August, 2012, 08:34:53 am
Post by: clarion on 03 August, 2012, 08:36:36 am
Post by: mattc on 03 August, 2012, 09:49:17 am
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.
[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
Hmmm. Victoria Hufton-Left, you think?
Very good. (http://www.freesangha.com/forums/Smileys/default/smiley_bow.gif)
Post by: Karla on 03 August, 2012, 10:52:16 am
Ah. Yes. Good one.
Make that three forumites then.
Peter, your articles were just as good as usual. You're making me sick at the fact that I probably won't get to do the Old 240 this time round.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 03 August, 2012, 11:02:32 am
I take it that since 'finishing teams' are listed for the easter arrow, that means we have been 'awarded' an arrow?
Peter, you have a habit of writing up difficult rides as they were, well, a ride in the park! Good grief man, you'll be drummed out of audax uk for making out that audax doesn't involve suffering!
Post by: rob on 03 August, 2012, 11:56:36 am
I take it that since 'finishing teams' are listed for the easter arrow, that means we have been 'awarded' an arrow?
It appears on my rides list on the AUK website so we've been officially credited with the ride.
Cards usually take a while to come back.
Rob
Post by: Peter on 03 August, 2012, 01:39:55 pm
@ mrcharly Thank you, too. We don't want to put people off, do we? Actually, I just tend to set off, then hang on. It's worked - so far!
Well done with your Arrow - that was a really impressive achievement.
Post by: Bairdy on 03 August, 2012, 10:41:01 pm
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Post by: Chuffy on 04 August, 2012, 12:35:33 am
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Cheers! ;D
Post by: Bairdy on 04 August, 2012, 05:42:32 am
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Cheers! ;D
It doesn't take much to flatter me!
It was good though.
I never got round to writing anything about Avalon Sunrise 400.
Did Jaded compile anything yet?
Post by: Pickled Onion on 04 August, 2012, 06:17:31 pm
It's already been and gone. :(
Post by: David Martin on 04 August, 2012, 06:37:00 pm
Post by: Feanor on 04 August, 2012, 06:38:16 pm
Post by: Wobbly on 04 August, 2012, 11:05:06 pm
Post by: David Martin on 05 August, 2012, 01:48:34 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 05 August, 2012, 03:17:12 pm
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.One of the best written and most amusing articles for a long time. Chapeau! Of course I haven't read the rest yet :-)
Good work Chuffy :thumbsup:
Post by: eck on 05 August, 2012, 09:10:57 pm
I presume Tim has passed all the Snow roads stuff on to the editor for the next issue. Must also pass on the Mille Alba pics.
Those of you pining for Snow Roads action may be interested to know that the feature filmed for BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mxr) is likely to be screened in October. :thumbsup:
Post by: Revellinho on 09 November, 2012, 05:41:39 pm
Post by: valkyrie on 09 November, 2012, 06:53:45 pm
Post by: David Martin on 09 November, 2012, 06:56:14 pm
Post by: alotronic on 09 November, 2012, 07:24:04 pm
Post by: bodach on 09 November, 2012, 07:36:45 pm
Post by: Chris S on 09 November, 2012, 08:24:37 pm
I sort of thought I had had enough Audax - or at least that my priorities are so different for next year in other bits of life that I wouldn't get to do any Audaxing.... but then I opened the mag... and turned to the back pages... and started to ponder my first SR. So this is how it happens, the slippery slope down towards something serious... bah!
:D
Gotcha!
Another one hooked. See you on the road soon.
ETA: Clearly the "Near Drowning" experience of the Witham Wetterly didn't put you off then ;)
Post by: Pingu on 09 November, 2012, 11:02:53 pm
Post by: Somnolent on 10 November, 2012, 08:57:42 pm
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 10 November, 2012, 09:03:30 pm
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 10 November, 2012, 09:10:10 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
:-)
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
Post by: Somnolent on 10 November, 2012, 09:29:04 pm
Must say, a rather excellent article about AAA rides :).
Serious congratulations in order there !
Post by: 3peaker on 10 November, 2012, 11:34:52 pm
Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
:-)
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
SteveP (Sqn Ldr (RAF) (Ret'd))
Post by: mikewigley on 11 November, 2012, 05:39:41 am
Got mine today as well as my membership renewal form but perhaps someone out there knows something I don't as, although I am a life member, I see that my membership runs out at the end of this year
Is this not clear? Your doctor will have a better idea of when your Life membership runs out. life Membership is free but you only continue to receive Arrivee if you pay a reduced subscription fee. PM me with your membership number if you think we've done something wrong.
Mike
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 11 November, 2012, 08:17:15 am
Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.
SteveP (Sqn Ldr (RAF) (Ret'd))
Yep, full zip and a few other nifty features too. You'll be size L.
If you're coming to Llandrindod you'll get to see a sample.
Post by: alotronic on 11 November, 2012, 01:10:52 pm
And Chris S - yes, funny eh?!?!?! Still can't really go nuts due to commitments (family, job, part time study, school governor and writing a novel!) but yes I am looking now to sneak the minimum rides across the post for an SR next year. There, I said it.
That Witham ride sure was memorable - I'm writing it up for Arrive and have retitled it the Witham Wader....
Post by: Jethro on 12 November, 2012, 11:23:07 am
Isnt it a shame though that the Cotswold Corker is now only available as a perm and not a full calendar ride.
Post by: 3peaker on 12 November, 2012, 12:25:26 pm
Congrats also to Lou (Mrs Blacksheep) on a new AAA record.Non-Cal has been situation for 2012 and 2013. Sean Graff still 'owns' the Title on behalf of Cheltenham CTC. You could join Mrs BS on a Corker Perm on 16 March; but then I would rather you supported the main event from Andoversford, The Cheltenham New Flyer 200, which I route-checked for new finish last week.
Isnt it a shame though that the Cotswold Corker is now only available as a perm and not a full calendar ride.
Post by: De Sisti on 12 November, 2012, 12:37:00 pm
(heading to Cheltenham) it takes a right at Seven Springs roundabout (then climbs)?
Post by: Tewdric on 12 November, 2012, 01:03:24 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
:-)
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
I think you have just coined a new nickname! :)
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 November, 2012, 01:38:24 pm
Post by: Karla on 12 November, 2012, 01:42:46 pm
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 12 November, 2012, 02:07:03 pm
I think you have just coined a new nickname! :)
We've been calling him that behind his back for years. :-)
Post by: zigzag on 12 November, 2012, 02:54:21 pm
He likes swimming and running ...
maybe, but funny enough he said he hasn't done a single triathlon ;)
(thanks to Colin, my photos are in this arrivee!)
Post by: Peter on 12 November, 2012, 02:59:16 pm
I'm enjoying reading Colin Bezant's account of the Mille Alba. It sounds like he is resident here. What's his forum name?
CAT
Post by: Karla on 12 November, 2012, 04:28:31 pm
Post by: vorsprung on 12 November, 2012, 05:03:01 pm
Post by: arabella on 12 November, 2012, 07:20:13 pm
+congrats to Mrs Blacksheep
Post by: Hillbilly on 12 November, 2012, 08:25:41 pm
And its not LEL ;)
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 November, 2012, 09:00:49 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
Post by: Martin on 12 November, 2012, 09:12:50 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
+1
go Billy go :thumbsup:
Post by: 3peaker on 12 November, 2012, 11:08:55 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
+1
go Billy go :thumbsup:
+1. You soon learn who your friends are. Also, a decent selection of routes and friendly Organiser. Own Goal advantage?? Just depends who elso is in the Race!
Post by: Manotea on 13 November, 2012, 03:07:32 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013. Best stop eating pies...
And its not LEL ;)
Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
+1
go Billy go :thumbsup:
+1. You soon learn who your friends are. Also, a decent selection of routes and friendly Organiser. Own Goal advantage?? Just depends who elso is in the Race!
The only question is, are you woman enough... (ouch!)
Post by: Hillbilly on 13 November, 2012, 04:13:21 pm
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 13 November, 2012, 08:19:36 pm
You would think I've had enough really, but still loving it.
Bfn Mrs BlackSheep
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 13 November, 2012, 08:34:05 pm
3speaker has several 'nicknames' I heard biggles as one, but myself and my friend call him MrP not
really sure how that started or why. But may be because there are other Steve's that we would mention
so it stopped confusion.
Anyway, one great coach and mentor to me, on my crazy AAA year, and become one of my closest friends.
3speaker himself a record breaker had some excellent tips and advice, it's a 'long ride' 12mths and lots can
happen that you don't expect.
Mrs BlackSheep
Post by: Martin on 13 November, 2012, 08:54:43 pm
Good luck Billy :), I'll drop off soon, or so I've promised BlackSheep, but difficult to jump off the circle.
+1
plus I won't fit my jersey if I do :-\
Post by: Hillbilly on 13 November, 2012, 11:35:48 pm
Post by: Martin on 13 November, 2012, 11:41:19 pm
Buy a bigger jersey :thumbsup:
I did :( lots of pies and a lot less AAA needed before it fits
Post by: Hillbilly on 13 November, 2012, 11:52:00 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 November, 2012, 08:33:33 am
Post by: PloddinPedro on 14 November, 2012, 08:59:16 am
...........Let me know if you want some photos for it (although a fair selection have made it onto page 40 of this latest edition!)
That Witham ride sure was memorable - I'm writing it up for Arrive and have retitled it the Witham Wader....
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 14 November, 2012, 08:59:42 am
It went something like this 'if you go up hill and down by the same amount surely your cycling on the flat'!!!!!!
20 years later he has learnt about cycling hills with Mother.
The same son also mentioned around the same time that riding the tandem was only half the miles.
Yes slapping was legal then :).
Mrs BlackSheep
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
Post by: GrahamG on 14 November, 2012, 09:18:00 am
That reminds me of a quote from my son when he was 10 he now's nearly 30!!!!
It went something like this 'if you go up hill and down by the same amount surely your cycling on the flat'!!!!!!
20 years later he has learnt about cycling hills with Mother.
The same son also mentioned around the same time that riding the tandem was only half the miles.
Yes slapping was legal then :).
Mrs BlackSheep
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
You are NEVER old enough to have a 30 year old son?! :o
Post by: Martin on 14 November, 2012, 11:30:52 am
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
do you want to join Team GdS? I can do you a nice red number (btw it's just baggy, not beer!)
(http://www.fotothing.com/photos/4c3/4c320b180164025db44725a4ca9331d8_c1d.jpg)
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 14 November, 2012, 07:48:29 pm
Think I may be visiting Sussex more often looking at your list of events, & 3 of the family
now live that way.
I think it's a baggy top covering up the beer :thumbsup:.
Mrs BlackSheep
Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on 14 November, 2012, 08:03:53 pm
Yes I have 2 sons one almost 30 the other also 29 & a daughter very nearly 27.
It's all those head winds I cycle into and free mud-packs from hanging onto wheels.
Now sure it will catch on with the general population of normal ladies or a certain age.
But if Louby-Lou facials do, I'm set to not only make my fortune but enjoy work free
years of cycling into the sunset.
Post by: GrahamG on 15 November, 2012, 01:31:40 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 15 November, 2012, 07:29:53 pm
Post by: Ivo on 15 November, 2012, 07:46:30 pm
Post by: arabella on 15 November, 2012, 11:53:30 pm
GrahamG
Yes I have 2 sons one almost 30 the other also 29 & a daughter very nearly 27.
It's all those head winds I cycle into and free mud-packs from hanging onto wheels.
Now sure it will catch on with the general population of normal ladies or a certain age.
But if Louby-Lou facials do, I'm set to not only make my fortune but enjoy work free
years of cycling into the sunset.
You forgot the bicycle grease as hand-cream.
I was told how lovely my hands were once by one of those salesbods that haunt shopping centres and rub cream into you in the hope of encouraging a purchase. Naturally I have stuck with bearing grease etc. ever since as my handcream of choice.
(may contain exaggeration).
*makes mental note to try next free mudpack*
Post by: Karla on 16 November, 2012, 12:31:55 am
Are we onto a marketing ploy for Audax here - Long Distance Cycling makes you look younger.
That must be why Mr Blacksheep asked me if I had my parental consent form last year ;D
Post by: LindaG on 20 November, 2012, 10:22:24 pm
Post by: Jaded on 21 November, 2012, 12:39:36 am
Post by: shyumu on 23 November, 2012, 09:08:12 am
Where's mine? Have I been banished from the fold? :(
il a encore arrivé?
Post by: LindaG on 23 November, 2012, 09:11:47 am
Post by: L CC on 23 November, 2012, 10:20:58 am
Post by: mikewigley on 24 November, 2012, 09:37:20 am
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.
Hey, that's me! lindagordinho has PMd me so yes, I'm on it.
The Royal Mail runs a lottery where the winners actually receive their copy of Arrivee within a day or so. My own only arrived after a week's delay (which was making me worry that there were another 5000 copies sitting in a sorting office somewhere inadequately addressed because of a cock up I'd done - which wasn't the case I should add)
Post by: shyumu on 24 November, 2012, 11:24:06 am
I have mine but I'm afraid haven'e opened it yet. It has joined the pile of things in plastic wrappers that I don't open when I'm like this.
But there
:)
Post by: LindaG on 14 January, 2013, 11:05:04 am
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.
Hey, that's me! lindagordinho has PMd me so yes, I'm on it.
The Royal Mail runs a lottery where the winners actually receive their copy of Arrivee within a day or so. My own only arrived after a week's delay (which was making me worry that there were another 5000 copies sitting in a sorting office somewhere inadequately addressed because of a cock up I'd done - which wasn't the case I should add)
Arrivee arrivee last week.
Thank you MemSec :D :D
Post by: Jethro on 11 February, 2013, 04:17:13 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 11 February, 2013, 04:25:16 pm
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?
Not received mine yet.
Post by: Jules on 11 February, 2013, 04:31:23 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 11 February, 2013, 04:49:29 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 11 February, 2013, 04:57:26 pm
Post by: CrinklyUncle on 11 February, 2013, 04:58:57 pm
Post by: jogler on 11 February, 2013, 05:31:44 pm
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?
Not received mine yet.
nor I
Post by: PloddinPedro on 11 February, 2013, 06:07:09 pm
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
Post by: mattc on 11 February, 2013, 06:57:02 pm
This page is upto date:The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
http://www.aukweb.net/results/fame/b5000/
(some of us were added just a couple of weeks back, I think. Discussed in another thread IIRC?)
I can't see the 2013 Handbook, but I guess it may have been compiled BEFORE the most recent additions to the B5000 list.
Post by: ran doner on 11 February, 2013, 10:23:16 pm
Post by: damerell on 13 February, 2013, 02:12:06 pm
I'm glad you asked. They went in the post today so watch out for it in the next day or two. You will also get the 2013 Handbook with it, so you'll be able to count how many times your name appears (or is it only me that does that?)
Anyone seen it yet? I know, so impatient.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 February, 2013, 02:15:21 pm
Post by: 3peaker on 13 February, 2013, 03:33:26 pm
By chance, I parallel with Derek Heines (p22) saga as he recovered from hip injury and went on with Audax Challenges. Interestingly, his learning to ride Trike lesson was exactly like mine back in 1993. The simple secret is ‘never stop steering’, as you can do on solo. Also, his tale of returning to the long distance game, using Turbo and patience is an echo for the able-bodied to appreciate their luck to remain intact. My injury was a mere broken femur last December; I managed a Trike 200 on my R leg in Jan and am committed to the same ride this month. My season will (it had better) climax with LEL in July/Aug. Recovery from injury is a serious game and, for an athlete, just one of those Challenges we face head on. Well done Derek – I am right (leg) behind you.
Post by: jogler on 13 February, 2013, 05:35:50 pm
Anyone seen it yet? I know, so impatient.
My magazine & Handbook arrived today.
I need to read the Clarion article in the current edition of Cycling World to finish that mag. & then I'll be reading my Arrivee & handbook.
Post by: Martin on 13 February, 2013, 08:06:51 pm
shame mine have been stripped :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
Post by: 3peaker on 13 February, 2013, 08:12:22 pm
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included :thumbsup:
shame mine have been stripped :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
Yes, it fails to recognise the >5 folk but justifiably introduces those who have taken the all year challenge to heart.
Post by: notlobgp14 on 13 February, 2013, 08:26:05 pm
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?
DB
Post by: Martin on 13 February, 2013, 08:26:41 pm
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included :thumbsup:
shame mine have been stripped :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
Yes, it fails to recognise the >5 folk
you are right;
antithetically the handbook only shows us hardened addicts
Post by: Marchie on 13 February, 2013, 09:14:12 pm
Get your magnifying glass out and I'm the one at the back of the pack of three in the distance.
Yay!
Post by: mikewigley on 13 February, 2013, 09:24:11 pm
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?
Have a look at Arrivee page 54, not that there's anyone called notlobgp14 listed
Post by: mikewigley on 13 February, 2013, 09:34:03 pm
Nice to see RRTY ... shame mine have been stripped
You are listed as RRTYx6 on page 27 of the Handbook - there's obviously been a bit of shifting of stuff between the two publications which I guess is for purposes of available space.
Post by: mmmmartin on 14 February, 2013, 09:33:35 am
And I'd like to say, for what it's worth, that the strategic plan seems quite well thought out, and the stats were illuminating. Many thanks to all for another excellent Arrivee.
Post by: BrianI on 14 February, 2013, 09:40:25 am
Post by: Hillbilly on 14 February, 2013, 09:45:59 am
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 February, 2013, 09:47:56 am
Post by: Bairn Again on 14 February, 2013, 11:23:37 am
Post by: marcusjb on 14 February, 2013, 11:26:06 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
Post by: Revolution9 on 14 February, 2013, 11:48:32 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
Well Done
:thumbsup:
Post by: Bairn Again on 14 February, 2013, 11:54:11 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
I was surprised to say the least. I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it!
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 14 February, 2013, 12:47:19 pm
Post by: Arry-R on 14 February, 2013, 12:58:37 pm
Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
« Reply #1257 on: Yesterday at 08:06:51 PM »Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included
shame mine have been stripped was it for testing positive for lager at the finish? Logged
Because of a Harvey's too many Martin!
Roll on Saturday, expect to see you if I can keep up on the hills with you!
Post by: Bairn Again on 14 February, 2013, 01:16:44 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
A trophy would be nice mind you. I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges. ;D 8)
Post by: Martin on 14 February, 2013, 01:27:16 pm
shame mine have been stripped was it for testing positive for lager at the finish? Logged
Because of a Harvey's too many Martin!
Roll on Saturday, expect to see you if I can keep up on the hills with you!
I'll have you know I had an info control question devised in my honour (and yes the answer was Harveys ;))
you won't have any problem passing me on Saturday, I have a dodgy ankle :'(
Post by: hellymedic on 14 February, 2013, 01:48:59 pm
Dave Lewis's article concludes with 'of course intertwined with all this, there is an absolutely unquantifiable amount of romance.'
:'(
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 14 February, 2013, 01:50:00 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
A trophy would be nice mind you. I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges. ;D 8)
Maybe the AGM could model itself on Eurovision, with a Skype link to the Audax Ecosse jury.
Post by: Revolution9 on 14 February, 2013, 01:59:21 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway.
A trophy would be nice mind you. I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges. ;D 8)
If you need any help with reverse blind heming, let me know ;)
Post by: 3peaker on 14 February, 2013, 09:37:12 pm
Mark picked up an Award/Trophy - on behalf of Black Sheep CC - 2012 Organising Club, though, unless Mark can confirm the membership has increased, is probably the same team that won the 2009 Organiser Award. Confusing?I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
I was surprised to say the least. I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it!
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 14 February, 2013, 09:48:39 pm
And I'd like to say, for what it's worth, that the strategic plan seems quite well thought out, and the stats were illuminating. Many thanks to all for another excellent Arrivee.
I think any strategy that thinks that spending £5k on a new website and £4k on going to a trade fair is a good split of the publicity budget is a poor strategy.
And anyway, why have we got two strategic documents? It's not even as if they agree with each other. One seeks to focus on a smaller number of events, the other wants more events. One has an events strategy, then suggests we 'consider implementation of the Events Secretary Strategy for events.'
I went to the board meeting in November that discussed these two strategies, and the board voted to merge them. That agreement is missing from the minutes, which decline to even cover a discussion that took up a good quarter of the meeting. Yet we still have two, often contradictory strategies still knocking around.
I hate to say it, but this is shambolic.
Post by: tonyh on 15 February, 2013, 05:55:41 am
Nevertheless, thanks for caring, and for doing so much work.
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 February, 2013, 09:03:48 am
I was surprised to say the least. I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it!I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that! Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba. Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish. ;)
There's an 'Organising Club' award which is based on points accumulated, which was won by Mark's club Black Sheep. The 'Organiser' award is a 'merit' award which means one or more members will have nominated you for your exceptional qualities as an organiser.
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?Have a look at Arrivee page 54, not that there's anyone called notlobgp14 listed
Yes space was a problem this time around, so some stuff got shuffled into Arrivee. The lists especially for the 'minor' awards, get longer every year. There'll be a bit of a rethink before the next Handbook, about the best place to put everything and which bits might find a better home online.
Post by: Wild Rover on 15 February, 2013, 12:38:27 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 February, 2013, 02:37:34 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 15 February, 2013, 02:58:20 pm
Still not got mine
You might check that your membership renewal has been processed - see www.aukweb.net, click on Members and MyDetails. If your expiry date is less than 2013 and you think you've sent us money, then let me know. You might also check the postal address listed there while you are at it.
I have some Arrivees to send out from here for those who missed the cut when I created the mailing list from the membership data as held at 20 Jan 2013. I'm unlikely to get to the post office this afternoon so these won't go until Monday.
Post by: mikewigley on 15 February, 2013, 02:59:37 pm
Well it's posted 2nd class so there's always going to be a spread.
but as far as I know they all sent out from the printers at the same time. A bit like an Audax, some get there faster than others.
Post by: Wild Rover on 15 February, 2013, 03:24:13 pm
Maybe they've stopped to water the horses at Tiverton :)
Post by: Chuffy on 15 February, 2013, 08:59:44 pm
Thanks - have checked my details, and membership until 2017 has gone through & address details are correct.If it's any consolation, our copy is travelling full-value as well.
Maybe they've stopped to water the horses at Tiverton :)
Post by: Dinamo on 15 February, 2013, 09:04:44 pm
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, I'm listed once...
I'm in there too ;D
Post by: tonyh on 15 February, 2013, 09:40:07 pm
Post by: Ian H on 15 February, 2013, 10:24:15 pm
I can't find the lists of people who've been listed most times. Nor the lists of people who've been listed most often in those lists. :)If I didn't know you better I might think you were taking the micky.
Deliveries to Devonshire do seem to be late.
Post by: tonyh on 15 February, 2013, 10:35:38 pm
If I didn't know you better I might think you were taking the micky.
Very glad you know me better! (I am indeed a devoted list observer, delighted to ever get on one, and admirer of people who do appear on them. It's serious fun!)
Post by: Tomsk on 16 February, 2013, 09:44:42 am
I hate to say it, but this is shambolic.
Agreed, but I hope this is a case of ideas still being batted about, but frustrating if you know what needs to be done...
AUK does have a lot of funds in the bank and could perhaps afford to take a few risks with funding various projects. We have a good, though varied product, distince from sportives and competitive riding.
Better publicity and headlining large scale events are the main points in common I think.
Post by: The Carrot on 16 February, 2013, 01:56:47 pm
Post by: eck on 16 February, 2013, 02:18:43 pm
Just checked out the Arrive'e Winter 2012 but can not seem to find anything on events in Scotland. Do they get a different edition up there? Was realy interested in the 'Snow roads 300km' which was listed on the contents page but could not find anything inside. I think it must be good as it is rumoured a documentry was made about it featuring a legendary rock star.Nope, there's not a separate Audax Écosse edition (yet). It's listed on the contents page, but nothing inside. ???
Maybe next edition?
Post by: The Carrot on 16 February, 2013, 02:30:40 pm
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2013, 02:43:18 pm
Thanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Post by: eck on 16 February, 2013, 02:46:13 pm
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
Post by: mcshroom on 16 February, 2013, 02:50:09 pm
Thanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
not an article, but YHPM :)
Post by: The Carrot on 16 February, 2013, 02:57:03 pm
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
Post by: jogler on 16 February, 2013, 03:09:56 pm
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
NoNoNo :hand:
BRIDIES
Post by: The Carrot on 16 February, 2013, 03:13:21 pm
Quite so, boabacca. But there are those who would have you believe it's Musselburgh. :-XThanks Eck. Will the next snow roads be finished by the time the article comes out?I understand that Comrie is the centre of Audax en Ecosse.
How would I join Audax Écosse? Would I have to move up to Scotland with my Brompton? I was thinking Forfar as that seems to be the centre of all things audax up there.
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
NoNoNo :hand:
BRIDIES
Bridies? what are they like then?
Post by: Deano on 16 February, 2013, 03:14:22 pm
Post by: The Carrot on 16 February, 2013, 03:17:37 pm
They're a bit like pasties ;)So top pastie = bridie. like I said
Post by: jogler on 16 February, 2013, 03:19:50 pm
These places are never mentioned in Arrivée. I think I read that Forar has a top team and top pasties.
NoNoNo :hand:
BRIDIES
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Bridies? what are they like then?
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The one's on the Snow roads are Food of the Goods
:thumbsup:
they are also available for those who ride the Potter For Tea :)
Post by: Rainmaker on 16 February, 2013, 05:05:40 pm
The one's on the Snow roads are Food of the Goods
Well, they may be the food of the Goods, but I always thought Sonya's mum's omelettes/pancakes were the food of the Gods!
P.S The stovies at Benderloch weren't bad either.
Post by: Wild Rover on 16 February, 2013, 05:59:26 pm
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Post by: Baggy on 18 February, 2013, 03:59:26 pm
Post by: caerau on 18 February, 2013, 04:03:57 pm
I got my Arrive at the weekend and very nice it is too :thumbsup:
[edit] good backlog reading from me on the bridie front then ::-) [/edit]
Post by: Hillbilly on 18 February, 2013, 05:35:32 pm
Post by: ran doner on 18 February, 2013, 06:28:49 pm
Post by: Panoramix on 19 February, 2013, 04:51:30 am
Post by: MattH on 19 February, 2013, 09:25:42 am
It'll arrive here just inside the cut-off, tired, but happy and full of tales to tell.
Post by: frankly frankie on 19 February, 2013, 01:51:22 pm
Post by: Wild Rover on 19 February, 2013, 05:23:54 pm
Post by: Hillbilly on 19 February, 2013, 05:29:21 pm
I'd quite happily opt into an e-version (rather than paper) both because of how I prefer to consume media these days, and also because it saves on postage/printing costs for AUK. Reading this thread, it would also appear to offer a way to have a copy available, so soothing the nerves of those unfortunates for whom the crunch of their postman's footsteps on the gravel to their front door, followed by the light pitter patter of envelopes rather than the satisfying thud of a magazine is the anthem of dashed hopes and dreams.
Post by: LadyVet on 19 February, 2013, 05:47:42 pm
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Nor in Dorset neither :'(
Post by: mmmmartin on 19 February, 2013, 05:47:49 pm
Still no show. And I only live a mile from the big main sorting office in Newton Abbot :-\Be fair. It is Newton Abbot of which we speak.....
Post by: mattc on 19 February, 2013, 06:01:04 pm
Reading this thread, it would also appear to offer a way to have a copy available, so soothing the nerves of those unfortunates for whom the crunch of their postman's footsteps on the gravel to their front door, followed by the light pitter patter of envelopes rather than the satisfying thud of a magazine is the anthem of dashed hopes and dreams.
;D
(I was going to ask whether the posters with such incredible lack of patience had ever ridden a "long distance" - but I think you've identified the issue more precisely! )
Post by: Arryg on 19 February, 2013, 07:24:52 pm
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Nor in Dorset neither :'(
No show in sunny Wantage (Oxon)
Post by: mikewigley on 19 February, 2013, 07:33:37 pm
Related Arrivee question. I know that back issues are available from the website, but are there any plans to allow members to download a PDF version of the current issue, rather than have a paper version sent through snail mail?
No. But "no" doesn't have to be forever. When we first started to make Arrivee available online I wanted to make sure that it was only for back issues, so that you had to be a member of AUK to see the current edition as a paper copy. However, I can see that making the current edition available online, with access to AUK members via password, might be an option favoured by some.
I suppose we could also devise a way of opting out of receiving Arrivee. I know Pete has got a long list of more important changes and enhancements for the website, and all while earning a living too, so this wouldn't be near the top of the list.
I'm a bit concerned that a good number of you seem not to have seen your Arrivee yet. The Royal Mail really doesn't seem to be on top of their game
Post by: mustgettaller on 19 February, 2013, 08:51:05 pm
No sign of Arrivee here in Hampshire either :'(Afraid c'est arrivee in some parts of Hampshire. Got mine a few days ago. 8)
Post by: Wild Rover on 19 February, 2013, 08:54:51 pm
Reading this thread, it would also appear to offer a way to have a copy available, so soothing the nerves of those unfortunates for whom the crunch of their postman's footsteps on the gravel to their front door, followed by the light pitter patter of envelopes rather than the satisfying thud of a magazine is the anthem of dashed hopes and dreams.
;D
(I was going to ask whether the posters with such incredible lack of patience had ever ridden a "long distance" - but I think you've identified the issue more precisely! )
If only it was a lack of patience...but I've recently had a cheque for £270 to a local plumber go 'missing in the post'; a whole bunch of documents that were posted to the NHS Pensions Agency go missing; and someone to whom I sent a cheque for £35 four weeks ago is allegedly still waiting to get it. Trouble is, I don't know if it was the post or the receivers have 'mislaid' the items, but as well as Arrivee I'm waiting for a couple of other things too, so I'm beginning to wonder. One thing is for certain - from now on, I'll be taking the hit cost-wise and posting anything vaguely important by recorded delivery. So you see, it's quite reassuring in a way to know that others haven't yet received Arrivee!
Post by: mercianmick on 20 February, 2013, 12:18:21 pm
Post by: tonyh on 20 February, 2013, 12:59:21 pm
Post by: RichardH on 20 February, 2013, 01:03:51 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 20 February, 2013, 01:24:52 pm
If only it was a lack of patience...but I've recently had a cheque for £270 to a local plumber go 'missing in the post'; a whole bunch of documents that were posted to the NHS Pensions Agency go missing; and someone to whom I sent a cheque for £35 four weeks ago is allegedly still waiting to get it. Trouble is, I don't know if it was the post or the receivers have 'mislaid' the items, but as well as Arrivee I'm waiting for a couple of other things too, so I'm beginning to wonder. One thing is for certain - from now on, I'll be taking the hit cost-wise and posting anything vaguely important by recorded delivery. So you see, it's quite reassuring in a way to know that others haven't yet received Arrivee!
Sometimes Royal Mail has some rather dubious employees. Members of my extended family were victims of this problem a few years ago.
<Sorry, Daily Heil link>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-372524/Postman-20m-theft-jailed.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-372524/Postman-20m-theft-jailed.html)
Post by: cyclone on 20 February, 2013, 01:54:44 pm
Post by: ChrisJ on 20 February, 2013, 04:20:24 pm
Quote
(Got mine in West Wiltshire about 5 days ago.)
Not got mine in West Wiltshire (Melksham) yet... :(
Post by: Charlie Boy on 21 February, 2013, 12:25:35 pm
Post by: postie on 21 February, 2013, 12:36:36 pm
Post by: Charlie Boy on 21 February, 2013, 12:39:35 pm
Post by: mercianmick on 22 February, 2013, 11:23:12 am
Post by: mikewigley on 22 February, 2013, 03:28:25 pm
Still not arrived. At what point do I conclude that it has been "lost in the post" and request another copy to be sent?
Just about now I would suggest. Either PM MemSec or email Mike@PeakAudax.co.uk. He'll need your real name of course and ideally a membership number
Post by: frankly frankie on 22 February, 2013, 04:11:35 pm
Post by: Bairn Again on 22 February, 2013, 04:57:36 pm
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Post by: eck on 22 February, 2013, 05:01:12 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Post by: MattH on 22 February, 2013, 05:03:12 pm
Post by: Bairn Again on 22 February, 2013, 06:48:24 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
Post by: STMS on 22 February, 2013, 07:13:38 pm
Still no show in Exeter. ???
Nor Torbay
Post by: jogler on 22 February, 2013, 07:21:51 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
Would it not be best in the library?
Post by: L CC on 22 February, 2013, 07:42:42 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
Would it not be best in the library?
I keep mine in the morning room.
Post by: hellymedic on 22 February, 2013, 07:46:52 pm
Post by: cyclone on 22 February, 2013, 08:25:46 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 23 February, 2013, 08:46:49 am
My trophy still hasnt arrived.
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
The photos you sometimes see in Arrivee of people being handed trophies are, as photos tend to be, just a captured moment in time. You don't see the moment that follows immediately afterward, where it's snatched back again "we'll keep this safe for you, shall we".
Post by: Martin on 23 February, 2013, 08:49:30 am
Post by: hellymedic on 23 February, 2013, 01:02:59 pm
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007
After a large number were stolen, probably soon after the above.
Some of the trophies were irreplaceable.
Post by: Bairn Again on 23 February, 2013, 11:56:15 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
The photos you sometimes see in Arrivee of people being handed trophies are, as photos tend to be, just a captured moment in time. You don't see the moment that follows immediately afterward, where it's snatched back again "we'll keep this safe for you, shall we".
In my case AUK took that approach to security to another level by deciding not to even notify me, thus avoiding the risk that I'd turn up at their party and touch the trophy at all. Maybe its because Im Scottish they thought Id steal it.
I guess I'll just have to take a photocopy of the handbook and keep that on the fireplace. It'll be ever so special.
I'm ever so proud to be a member of an organisation that does stuff like this.
Post by: frankly frankie on 24 February, 2013, 08:38:17 am
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007After a large number were stolen, probably soon after the above.
Some of the trophies were irreplaceable.
As above, another problem is that trophy holders are then obliged to return them a year later. Given that the AGM/Dinner can move from one end of the country to the other in subsequent years, this might commit the trophy holder to a long journey they might not otherwise want to do, or a lot of postal/insurance hassle. It's also problematic if the trophy is the size of an eagle owl and the weight of a Halfords bike, and the holder wishes to cycle to the meeting.
Post by: Pingu on 24 February, 2013, 10:06:50 am
when did they stop allowing you to take the trophies home? I remember Manotea struggling to get his back to the next year's whilst doing a 200 in 2007After a large number were stolen, probably soon after the above.
Some of the trophies were irreplaceable.
As above, another problem is that trophy holders are then obliged to return them a year later. Given that the AGM/Dinner can move from one end of the country to the other in subsequent years, this might commit the trophy holder to a long journey they might not otherwise want to do, or a lot of postal/insurance hassle. It's also problematic if the trophy is the size of an eagle owl and the weight of a Halfords bike, and the holder wishes to cycle to the meeting.
Don't the winners get a copy, AUK being so allegedly rich an' all?
Post by: MattH on 24 February, 2013, 10:10:11 am
Post by: JBB on 24 February, 2013, 10:46:31 am
Post by: L CC on 24 February, 2013, 04:13:38 pm
I'm ever so proud to be a member of an organisation that does stuff like this.I have to say, every time we're reminded of this we're re-appalled.
Disgusted of Diss.
Post by: Martin on 24 February, 2013, 08:33:23 pm
Don't the winners get a copy, AUK being so allegedly rich an' all?
yes :thumbsup:; not quite a replica (and mine is definitely the best of all of 'em) but still nice to have on a shelf for posterity
Post by: Martin on 24 February, 2013, 08:58:20 pm
In my case AUK took that approach to security to another level by deciding not to even notify me, thus avoiding the risk that I'd turn up at their party and touch the trophy at all. Maybe its because Im Scottish they thought Id steal it.
I'm ever so proud to be a member of an organisation that does stuff like this.
did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware. When I thought I was reasonably certain that I'd won something (a week before the end of the season and even then was nearly trumped on the last day) I just quietly posted off my cheque
please don't have a go at the peeps that work so hard for AUK on a public place like this; an email or two is so much easier to clear up any misunderstandings :)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 February, 2013, 09:21:56 pm
A Bridie is what are called pasties south of the border.
[edit] good backlog reading from me on the bridie front then ::-) [/edit]
Bridies are what I presume pasties were before Ginsters got their hands on them...
Post by: L CC on 24 February, 2013, 10:02:38 pm
did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
I think we're all far too ready to say "they're all volunteers, we should be grateful".
Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it. As volunteers, they don't have to do it, they could step down for someone more capable. Unfortunately because they're volunteers it's very hard to sack them.
Generally, fortunately, our volunteers DO do an excellent job. Occasionally they don't.
Post by: Ivo on 24 February, 2013, 10:17:59 pm
did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
Indeed, 4 years ago I first got a few hints through the facebook chat followed up by an email.
Post by: Pingu on 24 February, 2013, 11:03:51 pm
Winners get a small trophy to take home and keep forever.
Perhaps AUK could stretch to postage ???
Post by: mikewigley on 25 February, 2013, 07:49:40 pm
Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it
or better still, say I could better and let me have a go. It would certainly spice up the AGM. There's still a vacancy for Press Secretary as far as I'm aware
Post by: jimbhoy on 25 February, 2013, 08:12:35 pm
My trophy still hasnt arrived.You just posted that to show off that you're posh with a drawing room and stuff. :P
Ive cleared a space on the fireplace in the drawing room especially.
Well I wasnt going to put it in the study, was i? ;)
You could always put it in the front parlour or the billiards room ;)
Post by: PAC on 25 February, 2013, 10:31:05 pm
Post by: mattc on 25 February, 2013, 10:45:21 pm
I'd have thought a quiet word would be best, surely? People make mistakes.did they inform anyone? I wasn't aware.In previous years I believe a quiet word has been spoken to trophy winners that they may like to attend the dinner if they haven't already booked.
I think we're all far too ready to say "they're all volunteers, we should be grateful".
Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it.
Post by: L CC on 26 February, 2013, 12:07:30 pm
Unfortunately I'd do a crap job at that so wouldn't be suitable. I think we need someone who has tact, can put a positive spin on things and, fairly fundamentally, is able to communicate without swearing. I'm thoroughly ruled out of that one.Sometimes volunteers do a crap job, and should be pulled up on it
or better still, say I could better and let me have a go. It would certainly spice up the AGM. There's still a vacancy for Press Secretary as far as I'm aware
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 February, 2013, 02:27:08 pm
Curiosity Rover just received its copy of Arrivee.
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 26 February, 2013, 02:32:17 pm
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 February, 2013, 02:43:49 pm
Post by: Hillbilly on 26 February, 2013, 06:01:01 pm
Post by: JBB on 26 February, 2013, 06:25:10 pm
Can I have an update on the postal service in various parts in the UK? I'm on tenterhooks here, and off-topic posts about pet hates aren't helping to distract me. Think of my sleep pattern, for god's sake, I need my mind put at rest.
Still nothing here - South Wilts
Post by: Somnolent on 26 February, 2013, 07:11:41 pm
Can I have an update on the postal service in various parts in the UK? I'm on tenterhooks here, and off-topic posts about pet hates aren't helping to distract me. Think of my sleep pattern, for god's sake, I need my mind put at rest.
Still nothing here - South Wilts
Likewise, Hampshire, not received our copy. :'(
Post by: STMS on 27 February, 2013, 02:01:24 pm
Post by: phil d on 27 February, 2013, 02:30:41 pm
Post by: Andrew on 27 February, 2013, 02:36:18 pm
Post by: ran doner on 27 February, 2013, 02:54:00 pm
Post by: Charlie Boy on 27 February, 2013, 09:20:06 pm
Post by: PAC on 27 February, 2013, 09:43:47 pm
Post by: JBB on 27 February, 2013, 10:03:21 pm
Nothing in Reading :-[
Maybe we need to give MemSec our postcodes so he can rattle Royal mail's cage. The longer they're missing the less likely they'll turn up in my experience.
Julia
Post by: LadyVet on 01 March, 2013, 01:50:14 pm
Cheers Mike
Post by: Somnolent on 01 March, 2013, 02:38:24 pm
Still a no show here in Hampshire.
Likewise... I've just e-mailed Mike
Post by: Wild Rover on 01 March, 2013, 06:14:29 pm
Post by: Charlie Boy on 01 March, 2013, 06:33:00 pm
Post by: αdαmsκι on 01 March, 2013, 07:48:30 pm
Post by: shyumu on 01 March, 2013, 08:00:24 pm
Mine's in the recycling bin....
You don't keep all the back copies in a Commemorative binder then?
Post by: αdαmsκι on 01 March, 2013, 08:16:21 pm
Post by: PAC on 01 March, 2013, 09:30:14 pm
Post by: shyumu on 02 March, 2013, 09:58:01 am
God no! Tho I might start selling them on Ebay for AUK members who have their copies stolen by the Royal Mail.
Would you offer shipping by Royal Mail?
Post by: Peter on 02 March, 2013, 10:30:44 am
Peter
Post by: shyumu on 02 March, 2013, 12:00:08 pm
The (understandable) threads about non-arrival have so far deflected me from saying what a good issue this is. Sheila has done her usual good job. I especially liked the article by Derek Heine, who writes about his recovery from a thug-attack in Wales and the help he got in his rehabilitation; inspiring stuff. There's also a nice article on wild-flowers by Tricia Farnham and a great new permanent in the Lake District from Revellhino. Hope you get yours soon!
Peter
+1
Derek's article was moving, and I too enjoy the ride reports. The article about the "easy way to an SR" really appealed to daisyhill who even said, "One day..."
I was very interested in the Strategic stuff - only mention it because I enjoyed reading it in Arrivee. (But there is enough discussion of the content of that section elsewhere).
A great magazine! Thank you.
Shyumu
Post by: jogler on 02 March, 2013, 01:35:27 pm
. The article about the "easy way to an SR"
I'd better have a look at that then ;D
Post by: jogler on 03 March, 2013, 02:24:21 pm
Who has nicked the Snow Roads article which according to the index should appear on page 20?
Post by: mattc on 03 March, 2013, 02:53:07 pm
Must email that nice chap ...
Post by: PAC on 03 March, 2013, 06:21:57 pm
Post by: eck on 03 March, 2013, 06:29:09 pm
Email it is then....the worrying thing is, what other important post has gone AWOL ???Slightly OT, but I ordered a chainring and sprocket from Triton cycles three weeks ago which they say they posted a couple of days later. It never arrived. To their credit, they sent a replacement order by courier a couple of days ago.
But, yes, you have to wonder just how much gets 'lost in the post'... :-\
Post by: shyumu on 03 March, 2013, 06:49:12 pm
It doesn't say "easy",it says "ideal".
Who has nicked the Snow Roads article which according to the index should appear on page 20?
I think I read what I wanted to read, rather than what was actually written.
Post by: cyclone on 03 March, 2013, 07:14:38 pm
Post by: MattH on 04 March, 2013, 12:49:41 pm
Post by: mattc on 04 March, 2013, 01:28:09 pm
Email it is then....the worrying thing is, what other important post has gone AWOL ???
Well, you may actually have the most larcenous postman in England ... but if it reassures you, we've had deliveries every day since the start of The Great Arrivee Mystery.
Post by: derico on 04 March, 2013, 04:43:06 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 04 March, 2013, 04:49:28 pm
Have not received mine yet in Great Bedwyn.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you are Derek Connor. Please confirm your address, but an SN8 postcode would seem to indicate that your copy of Arrivee is receiving extra special care from the Royal Mail. I'll have to send you another.
Mike
Post by: phil d on 04 March, 2013, 04:54:29 pm
Post by: STMS on 04 March, 2013, 05:01:57 pm
Post by: Somnolent on 04 March, 2013, 07:19:24 pm
Disappointed not to be listed in New SRs on page 55 (although we appeared on the website)
Mrs PpP should also be listed as new Randonneur on page 53 (her first 200 was the 2012 Poor Student) and isn't.
:'(
We do both appear appropriately as first time RRTYers though.
:thumbsup:
Post by: SteveB on 05 March, 2013, 06:11:59 pm
Steve Berry
Fordingbridge
Hampshire (almost in Dorset)
SP6 1RE
Post by: Lardy on 05 March, 2013, 06:22:05 pm
Post by: JBB on 05 March, 2013, 07:47:32 pm
Not here either, unfortunately (SP4, Wilts).
Still waiting in SP2; but interestingly have had 2 letters from Southampton go missing. Our local posties are excellent but bigger sorting offices seem to be failing....
Post by: ChrisJ on 06 March, 2013, 09:38:18 pm
Post by: JBB on 06 March, 2013, 09:48:31 pm
Not here either, unfortunately (SP4, Wilts).
Still waiting in SP2; but interestingly have had 2 letters from Southampton go missing. Our local posties are excellent but bigger sorting offices seem to be failing....
My own special delivery arrived today. Thank you Mike
Post by: phil d on 07 March, 2013, 08:21:38 am
Received my (replacement) copy today thanks!
Mine too. Thanks Mike; you're doing a grand job.
Post by: RichardH on 09 March, 2013, 01:15:19 pm
Has this happened yet?
Post by: Ian H on 09 March, 2013, 07:12:38 pm
Still not received in Exeter. I think a new mail shot was going out for all in Devon.
Has this happened yet?
I believe Mike's working on a case by case basis at the mo. Plus chasing Royal Mail.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 May, 2013, 11:11:45 am
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
Post by: shyumu on 02 May, 2013, 12:37:59 pm
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
I should coco.
My copy has just dropped through the door, time for a lunch break and some reading I think.
Post by: hellymedic on 02 May, 2013, 02:08:24 pm
Post by: Tomsk on 02 May, 2013, 04:28:14 pm
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
And a record number of piccies of Mid-Essex heroes :D
Post by: nightrider on 02 May, 2013, 04:47:24 pm
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 May, 2013, 04:50:49 pm
:smug:
Page 22.
First article so I'm hoping I'm allowed to be a smug git.
And a record number of piccies of Mid-Essex heroes :D
Yes indeedy! I hope you're feeling as smug as I am. Your article was very good!
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
No and yes!
Post by: shyumu on 02 May, 2013, 05:25:50 pm
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
I believe that particular Witham Wheelers rider was 2011's "Most Improved Rider". A prestigious trophy given the names which have appeared on it in previous years.
Post by: shyumu on 02 May, 2013, 05:26:36 pm
Post by: LindaG on 02 May, 2013, 05:47:16 pm
Have you seen the back cover.It's a photo of the riders pushing their bikes trough snow and murk.Perhaps we could use this photo to encourage to take up Audaxing.Another great photo is of one of my club mates.(Witham Wheelers)drinking a pint,during the keep to the roads ride.That photo would also help to promote the cause too ;)
I believe that particular Witham Wheelers rider was 2011's "Most Improved Rider". A prestigious trophy given the names which have appeared on it in previous years.
That's your sister that is.
Post by: bloomers100 on 02 May, 2013, 06:18:51 pm
Post by: Oscar's dad on 02 May, 2013, 06:20:15 pm
Yes mid Essex well represented in this issue well done OD and Tomsk, great articles. There are distinct benefits to having your photo taken with OD ;D
What? You've been offered a modelling contract already?
Post by: Dinamo on 02 May, 2013, 08:00:44 pm
Mine's arrived too. Looks good!
......... shame my postman tried to shove it thru' the postbox sideways though :demon:
Post by: Tail End Charlie on 02 May, 2013, 08:49:25 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 02 May, 2013, 08:53:01 pm
Post by: Phil W on 02 May, 2013, 09:08:42 pm
Post by: Mad Jack on 02 May, 2013, 09:17:14 pm
Centerfold 2nd in bottom left- Ashman 42. Top left Chris Colyer now famous!
Top right (middle) Jeff Ellingham.
Thanks Tim great work :thumbsup:
Andy- Org
Post by: nightrider on 02 May, 2013, 09:27:25 pm
Post by: Martin 14 on 02 May, 2013, 10:00:36 pm
Post by: bikey-mikey on 02 May, 2013, 11:20:20 pm
Getting home tonight, ripping open the wrapper, and WOW !!!
Page 16 Top of Park Rash in the snow - that's me in the yellow, with a big grin on my face.
Pages 40-41 - four pictures :) with Steve Poulton and Bairdy.
Back cover - I think that's also me in yellow, judging by the red bar tape, but I might be wrong !!
6 separate pixies - :) :)
Post by: Jaded on 02 May, 2013, 11:25:18 pm
;)
Post by: GrahamG on 03 May, 2013, 08:55:38 am
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
Post by: marcusjb on 03 May, 2013, 08:57:57 am
Some great articles as ever. Well done to all contributors.
Post by: trio25 on 03 May, 2013, 09:01:57 am
Post by: Oscar's dad on 03 May, 2013, 09:07:16 am
Am more proud of my finely crafted article about the disastrous ride from Hull to London than I ever was of the actual trip. :smug:
A well written piece. Read it bed last night - very enjoyable!
Post by: L CC on 03 May, 2013, 09:16:01 am
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
I don't. I think they both encourage people to ride in conditions that are downright dangerous.
/boring voice of sensibility
Post by: Chris S on 03 May, 2013, 09:24:12 am
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
I don't. I think they both encourage people to ride in conditions that are downright dangerous.
/boring voice of sensibility
Or put you off them even more :).
Post by: Christophe on 03 May, 2013, 09:35:45 am
What? You've been offered a modelling contract already?
I'm expecting a flood of calls after the publication of my arse shot on page 22.
Good to see a couple of good Essex based articles. Good work OD and Tomsk!
Post by: Oscar's dad on 03 May, 2013, 10:18:31 am
What? You've been offered a modelling contract already?
I'm expecting a flood of calls after the publication of my arse shot on page 22.
Good to see a couple of good Essex based articles. Good work OD and Tomsk!
I did submit the following caption for your arse shot ...
"Chris' rear on the road to Hull!"
But it wasn't used. :'(
Good luck with the modelling. Treating your body as a temple during the early part of the year and forsaking booze is suddenly going to pay off!
Post by: mattc on 04 May, 2013, 05:58:11 am
That photo on the back is great - not sure it is great advertising for those new to audax, but it is quite amazing.I think it demonstrates the wide range of riding we get upto. It would only be unrepresentative if lots of piccies were like that. There are sh1tloads of balancing pictures of riders in 'sensible' conditions, photographers rarely get out - and take a decent photo - in crap weather.
It's what makes Arrivee different to Cycling Plus.
(Perhaps not as good as the Gospel Pass classic though - which was the picture that really grabbed my imagination before I started this game.)
Post by: London Edinburgh London on 04 May, 2013, 06:16:05 am
A proper adventure has to be a bit dangerous.
Post by: tiermat on 04 May, 2013, 07:38:16 am
For once THoFC doesn't get a mention.
The photo one theback makes me smile, that and the "muddy" 100k article remind me of some Thursday night rides :)
Post by: jogler on 04 May, 2013, 10:03:58 am
Am more proud of my finely crafted article about the disastrous ride from Hull to London than I ever was of the actual trip. :smug:
I enjoyed reading about your
A very entertaining text on your part made me ;D muchly :thumbsup:
Post by: Manotea on 04 May, 2013, 11:31:50 am
That photo on the back is great - not sure it is great advertising for those new to audax, but it is quite amazing.
It's amazing how, now the weather has finally turned warm*, I wish I were there! Yes, really great cover photos!!
*Sorry, spoke to soon. A bit of drizzle here in London, so gawd knows what it's like in Tregarron...
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 May, 2013, 09:27:43 am
Great cover shot on the front this month too!
and the back. Love it.
I don't. I think they both encourage people to ride in conditions that are downright dangerous.
/boring voice of sensibility
They aren't riding over Park Rash and they are better kitted out than hillwalkers I've seen in similar conditions :smug:
Post by: Bairn Again on 05 May, 2013, 06:18:15 pm
I find AUK generally, and Arrivee in particular, to be increasingly lacking in interest or relevance to me.
I used to eagerly await its arrival, this ones gone into the recycling within 20 minutes of opening it.
Post by: shyumu on 05 May, 2013, 09:52:16 pm
Post by: Karla on 05 May, 2013, 10:07:58 pm
Post by: shyumu on 05 May, 2013, 10:20:41 pm
Post by: Dibdib on 05 May, 2013, 11:01:38 pm
Unfortunately this means I haven't finished reading it all yet :facepalm:
Post by: the vicar on 06 May, 2013, 12:09:02 am
One of the things I like about Arrive is that there is nobody telling me that I need to spend mega amounts to enjoy my cycling. :thumbsup:ABSOLUTELY !
I look at other mags regularly, but rarely buy them for just that reason. The exception is 'Cycling Weekly'. Though I'm not a 'roadie' the articles at least treat me like a grown up, and as a steel/Carradice man I'm immune to the temptations of carbon fibre bottle holders.
Post by: Manotea on 06 May, 2013, 08:08:20 am
One of the things I like about Arrive is that there is nobody telling me that I need to spend mega amounts to enjoy my cycling. :thumbsup:ABSOLUTELY !
I look at other mags regularly, but rarely buy them for just that reason. The exception is 'Cycling Weekly'. Though I'm not a 'roadie' the articles at least treat me like a grown up, and as a steel/Carradice man I'm immune to the temptations of carbon fibre bottle holders.
I'm almost immune; carbon fibre bottle carriers are the only go faster kit I own!
Post by: mmmmartin on 06 May, 2013, 01:30:51 pm
A very entertaining text on your part made me ;D muchly :thumbsup:Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated. I rode back to London again after this year's FNRttC from York to Hull, this ride had no excuse at all for me being out of time. :-(
I would recommend others to write for Arrivee, it is well worth the effort.
Post by: Reg.T on 11 May, 2013, 08:44:17 pm
Post by: shyumu on 11 May, 2013, 08:59:26 pm
Am I the only one who's a bit confused by the article on pp10-11? ???
I was wondering when it become apparent that an RRTY involved doing 200km rides.
Post by: mikewigley on 12 May, 2013, 04:35:10 pm
Post by: alfapete on 12 May, 2013, 04:47:36 pm
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2013, 04:49:18 pm
Post by: shyumu on 12 May, 2013, 05:08:18 pm
Yes, I've been in touch with the write of the article pointing this out. It somehow seemed appropriate to be giving Roger Bolton some Feedback (something that only Radio 4 listeners will appreciate)
You're kidding? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/profiles/roger-bolton)
Post by: damerell on 15 May, 2013, 08:18:37 pm
Post by: bikey-mikey on 15 May, 2013, 08:41:08 pm
The broken-legged trike article was impressively hardcore.
You should meet the man himself !! :demon:
Post by: hellymedic on 28 October, 2013, 01:58:54 pm
It will remain in its wrapper until I have Time to Kill in hospital on Thursday.
Post by: Peter on 28 October, 2013, 02:02:20 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 28 October, 2013, 02:22:57 pm
Post by: 3peaker on 28 October, 2013, 04:30:34 pm
Just a pity Billy Weir had record breaking ideas for 2013, as his 300+ AAA total is in a similar league of superlatives.
Just check out the AAA tables. It has been an exciting time watching the totals grow; there are a few more AAA totals that deserve recognition, Lane and Malins coming to mind. Oh, to be a few years younger!
Post by: marcusjb on 28 October, 2013, 04:41:10 pm
Thanks to Peter for holding the presses for me on my return from the Pyrenees as well.
Post by: shyumu on 28 October, 2013, 04:51:29 pm
Post by: Glover Fan on 28 October, 2013, 05:37:58 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 28 October, 2013, 05:50:04 pm
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Post by: Glover Fan on 28 October, 2013, 06:22:40 pm
I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Post by: Ivo on 28 October, 2013, 06:23:20 pm
I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
:thumbsup:
Post by: Ian H on 28 October, 2013, 06:27:23 pm
Just as long as it's not about foreign stuff or LEL. ;)I think I might...
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Post by: Glover Fan on 28 October, 2013, 07:12:36 pm
Just as long as it's not about foreign stuff or LEL. ;)I was thinking maybe PBP ;)
I'm joking, i'm not that audacious really...
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 October, 2013, 07:26:05 pm
Post by: Phil W on 28 October, 2013, 09:31:18 pm
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
If it doesn't contain stuff that interests you, why not write an article yourself?
Marcus, nice foreign article, so many different rides and challenges ahead to inspire and whet the appetite.
Post by: billyam998 on 28 October, 2013, 09:50:36 pm
Post by: Henry on 29 October, 2013, 06:51:25 am
Post by: urban_biker on 29 October, 2013, 07:45:47 am
Post by: hillbilly on 29 October, 2013, 09:17:30 am
Post by: red marley on 29 October, 2013, 09:18:18 am
Or what about photos with no bikes in them? I think the best back page photo that never was, was this one taken by Charlotte of Ian H at the start of the Bryan Chapman in 2009.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/BCM600%202009/P5160555.jpg)
Post by: Bairn Again on 29 October, 2013, 09:26:50 am
Its prompted me to dig out some old articles / photos and will send them in.
Nothing to with PBP though, Im sure there will be enough hysteria about that soon enough.
Post by: Euan Uzami on 29 October, 2013, 09:33:53 am
Meh. Full of LEL and stuff that happened abroad. Suppose I should have expected it really.
+1. Worst arrivee for ages - nothing that interested me whatsoever. Was looking forward to it hoping it might inspire me to get out and ride a few audaxes but a post mortem of LEL doesn't seem to have that effect.
and I'm allowed to whinge based on having submitted an article myself, obviously it didn't make it in though...
I much prefer the 'tiled' picture pages - 4x4 grids of pictures of random named people on various random audaxes up and down the country - what's happened to those?
Post by: red marley on 29 October, 2013, 09:58:29 am
Bear in mind also that real people (who read this forum) put huge amounts of work into editing and providing content, so casual dismissal of their efforts may be a little hurtful.
Post by: hillbilly on 29 October, 2013, 10:02:25 am
Granted, I did not read the LEL articles as I lack the enthusiasm for the whole ride. And anything that includes the expression "DIY" I tend to lose interest a couple of sentences in and skim quickly, particularly if populaires (don't register them as audax - more like club runs or personal bimbles). And admittedly the AAA/grimping stuff is increasingly to the fore (I don't mind but can see it gives the wrong impression for a long distance cycling club). But these are personal quibbles an preferences.
On the flip side, Marcus' article and Arabella's about the 24hr gave me some ideas for possible future adventures. Also reading about the OCD gave me a better insight into how that might help shape my cycling exploits in 2014. And the official's reports were of interest (particularly John's observation about the distribution of events, even if the diagram was missing...) It was also good to see familiar faces, or rather faces that used to be familiar but I haven't seen for a while (Tom Hanley, Garry King amongst others).
The centrefold summarising LEL pictorially was also rather interesting. I really must get a graphic based on the calligraphic lines of varying thickness (representing altitude) for my permanent etc events. It's rather an eye catching design.
D'ffnt strokes etc etc.
Post by: Revolution9 on 29 October, 2013, 10:33:12 am
Thanks to Peter for holding the presses for me on my return from the Pyrenees as well.
I enjoyed reading that :thumbsup:
Post by: Charlie Boy on 29 October, 2013, 04:08:19 pm
Love the back cover photo. With the phone box. It just works nicely.
+1
Can't quite tell if there's someone asleep in it.
Post by: red marley on 29 October, 2013, 04:55:09 pm
The centrefold summarising LEL pictorially was also rather interesting. I really must get a graphic based on the calligraphic lines of varying thickness (representing altitude) for my permanent etc events. It's rather an eye catching design.
Billy, if you want to pass me any GPX files you would like profile maps for, I can create them for you. They need to trace the path of the actual route, not just waypoints relying on on-board navigation to join, but they don't need to encode altitude since I have a national DEM for grabbing the elevations.
Post by: damerell on 29 October, 2013, 06:04:50 pm
Post by: LEE on 29 October, 2013, 06:11:52 pm
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Post by: Glover Fan on 29 October, 2013, 06:17:43 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 29 October, 2013, 06:18:10 pm
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Post by: Ivo on 29 October, 2013, 06:19:39 pm
Post by: Ian H on 29 October, 2013, 06:22:26 pm
I know a lot of overseas members who are AUK members just for the magazine.
We should publish an Esperanto version.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 October, 2013, 06:25:32 pm
We should publish an Esperanto version.
Then we could all live in hope.
Post by: LEE on 29 October, 2013, 06:35:55 pm
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Hard copy could be the default option, I feel guilty about all that effort and postage going to waste on me though.
Just point me at a PDF.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 October, 2013, 07:20:22 pm
Post by: JBB on 29 October, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
Post by: Andrew Br on 29 October, 2013, 07:57:41 pm
Perhaps everyone who doesn't like Arrivee could take their copy to the dentists and leave it there. We might even interest a few dentists on Pinarellos.
Bugger. I went to the dentist this morning.
I don't think he rides a bike.
Apropos of nothing really, his digital records go back to 1998; he hasn't done anything to my teeth in all that time.
I'm very happy with that.
ETA: I'd asked for a late morning appointment plus I'd enquired about bike parking in case I decided to ride there (Chorlton CH-Accrington-Chorlton CH).
Not in this weather :hand:
Post by: Manotea on 29 October, 2013, 08:44:56 pm
Well done and welcome to our new Editor, Peter Moir.
Post by: Deano on 29 October, 2013, 11:23:33 pm
Post by: Peter on 30 October, 2013, 12:20:51 am
I didn't submit anything this time because I judged that there would be plenty of stuff about LEL, so no general shortage.
My personal preference is for articles that describe what's to be seen on a ride, rather than a string of " ate this, ate that, felt sick" and so on. But that is just my preference and different things loom larger in different people's consciousnesses!
WELL DONE, PETER AND THANK YOU!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 October, 2013, 12:39:37 am
I remember Ivo commenting that Arrivee is more like an academic journal than a club magazine, and the presence of a series of graphical representations of LEL as a centrefold tends to bolster that view. I think it's a good thing.
My favourite ever article was about the influence of wind expressed as vectors, and their resultant influence on drag. I think there's a lot of value in enabling people to express themselves in a longer format, unfettered by the influence of others.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 30 October, 2013, 07:58:45 am
Post by: ian_oli on 30 October, 2013, 09:43:59 am
Post by: mikewigley on 30 October, 2013, 11:39:56 am
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Hard copy could be the default option, I feel guilty about all that effort and postage going to waste on me though.
Just point me at a PDF.
Not sending you a hard copy would only save us the postage, as I doubt we would reduce the print run by one, but it would create more work for those sending them out. We'd need a marker on the Membership database, we'd have to have an additional field on the MyDetails screen to maintain this, we'd have to remove those records so marked from the mailing list, and at the moment with a new Systems Manager about to take over, he's got plenty of other tasks of far more benefit to the club.
That's not to say we couldn't do this. I suppose I could have a private list of all those not wanting Arrivee and I would remove these manually from each quarter's mailing list, but I couldn't promise that this will work perfectly for every issue. You are unlikely to get an email from me pointing you to the online copy, which doesn't get put online straight away anyway - we like to keep the current edition as members' only, with only historical editions online for the world to view.
Post by: hillbilly on 30 October, 2013, 11:49:59 am
Post by: Ningishzidda on 30 October, 2013, 11:51:45 am
Only skimmed through it so far but I feel it has many more interesting photos than most Arrivees. My own first article was really aimed at other organisers: maybe an "Organiser's Corner".
Or "Org's chasm."
Post by: marcusjb on 30 October, 2013, 12:09:08 pm
I think that it should get online sooner - behind the member login. I also understand that there's more work involved in creating a data field for people to opt out of paper copies of Arrivée, but I think it should happen at some point as it certainly ups the green credentials of the organisation (and potentially saves it some considerable expenditure as the print runs might be reduced by a few hundred copies - equally, might put us under a quantity discount threshold, so needs to be examined carefully).
In terms of the grumblers that there's nothing in it that they want to read - what do they want to read about?
I enjoy reading about foreign jaunts - gives me ideas for future tours and rides. I'd like to read more about some the overseas brevets that people have ridden this year (Super Brevet Scandinavia, MGM etc.).
This issue must be one of the most diverse ever - we've got overseas touring & brevets, time-trialling, UK based rides, views from all sides of LEL and more!
There are articles I haven't really read - but there are some that are really interesting to me.
Peter's comments above are totally correct - this is something that someone has volunteered to edit, and I think they've done a fantastic job and I hope they're not put off by the comments of a few moaners.
The beauty of something like Arrivée is that we're a fairly small organisation - if the articles aren't your cup of tea, then it's easy enough to contact the editors and offer to write an article about something that does interest you.
Post by: urban_biker on 30 October, 2013, 12:12:54 pm
An excellent report and a very modest story of some truly audacious organising. I bet not many people have had to put their house on the line to organise an audax!
Post by: Wobbly on 30 October, 2013, 01:28:10 pm
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 30 October, 2013, 01:31:29 pm
Love the back cover photo. With the phone box. It just works nicely.
Agreed. That's a lovely bike.
Post by: hellymedic on 30 October, 2013, 01:36:00 pm
Only skimmed through it so far but I feel it has many more interesting photos than most Arrivees. My own first article was really aimed at other organisers: maybe an "Organiser's Corner".
Or "Org's chasm."
::-) ;D ;D ;D :demon:
Post by: hellymedic on 30 October, 2013, 02:40:43 pm
A 'first time' for anything will always be special for that individual but what would make it exceptional and noteworthy will vary.
Post by: marcusjb on 30 October, 2013, 02:41:22 pm
EDIT - in the post 2 up from ,
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 October, 2013, 02:46:54 pm
^ there's some great ideas in there
EDIT - in the post 2 up from ,
It makes you wonder where , was when the call went out for a new Autumn editor, we could be looking at the fruits of those ideas right now.
Post by: marcusjb on 30 October, 2013, 02:54:45 pm
It would need someone who is a good interviewer to meet up with them and get the best out of them.
Barry Parslow was mentioned in another thread - finding out what it was like to ride PBP in the 60s would be amazing to younger riders like myself (it might be great to see how his memories have changed over the past few decades).
The AUK Hall of Fame is full of great names - some of them won't want to be thrust into the limelight I am sure, but I am sure some of them would love to tell tales about riding in the earlier days of AUK etc.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 30 October, 2013, 03:00:41 pm
Joking aside, whilst reading Arrivee is jolly good, writing for it is even better! I was well chuffed when my article all about my first SR season was published in issue 120 (Spring 2013 - page 22 ;D )
A magazine is only as good as the copy submitted. If folks don't like what's in the mag get writing!
Post by: HK on 30 October, 2013, 03:21:13 pm
I know most of the big milemunchers are self-depreciative of their endeavours, but I would love to see interviews/features on the greats for sure.
It would need someone who is a good interviewer to meet up with them and get the best out of them.
Barry Parslow was mentioned in another thread - finding out what it was like to ride PBP in the 60s would be amazing to younger riders like myself (it might be great to see how his memories have changed over the past few decades).
The AUK Hall of Fame is full of great names - some of them won't want to be thrust into the limelight I am sure, but I am sure some of them would love to tell tales about riding in the earlier days of AUK etc.
Interviewing the 'greats' has already been done by Roving Namron. Most (eg Mick Potts, Rocco Richardson, Pat Kenny, Dave Lewis, Jon Jennings and Jack Eason are in the great velodrome in the sky & Simon Doughty is brain damaged in a care home).
You can do better with The Great Parslow than just read about it, you can talk to him - just ask LWaB and he'll introduce you. Frankly Frankie I'm led to belief will be at the AGM, so another old timer you can speak to. HK
NB The Great Parslow is blind, so can't write articles now.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 30 October, 2013, 03:49:06 pm
Barry finished his first PBP before I was born and rode his 5th PBP 12 years before I rode my first. He did a surprising amount and variety of foreign events, considering his language skills are on a par with mine.
Post by: Ivo on 30 October, 2013, 04:27:54 pm
I'm enjoying working my way through Arrivée - I usually dip into them over a period of weeks. However the first thing I think most readers do is to skim through it looking for a photo of themselves. Once again, no Wobbly :(
Although a few Wobbly Photo's were on the shortlist I submitted to Arrivee.
Post by: HK on 30 October, 2013, 04:35:23 pm
Post by: Manotea on 30 October, 2013, 04:37:46 pm
Personally I'd be more than happy with an online copy as I only check for faces I recognise then "recycle" it.
Is there a "tick here to NOT receive a hard copy" option anywhere? I can't be the only person for whom an online copy would suffice.
Whereas I am looking forward to having my hard copy to take to relieve boredom in hospital or on the York-bound train.
Hard copy could be the default option, I feel guilty about all that effort and postage going to waste on me though.
Just point me at a PDF.
AUK is published online, though it lags the hardcopy somewhat.
Here is the August copy with a great picture of a smiling youngster on the front cover clicky (http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/2013august/)
Post by: frankly frankie on 30 October, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
Frankly Frankie I'm led to belief will be at the AGM, so another old timer you can speak to.
<spl;utter!> Why, you damn whipper-snapper! - I'll ... I'll ... ... I'll ... [sinks wheezing to the floor]
...
[3 hours later, hoarsely, from a hospital trolley in a draughty corridor]
Talk to Keith Benton, talk to Mark Brooking, Ray Haswell, George Berwick, El Supremo, John Rivers, Keith Matthews, Jim Hopper, Peter Coulson, Dave Pountney - they and many others all go back much further than me. (So does Sheila, but she's taking her bike off to India for a while, that way she can stay warm and I can turn the heating off so we're both happy.) If you're in London, talk to Phil Benstead, he goes back a very long way - if you're on the south coast, talk to CCP Davies, he goes back even further.
But Barry is head and shoulders above as THE pioneer at the start of AUK and long before, and that must never be forgot. He was a 3x PBP before AUK was even formed, and his eventual record was such that it took until 2003 before any other Brit cyclist got past it - that's impressive.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 30 October, 2013, 06:50:56 pm
I have to repeat what others have said about the LEL report.
An excellent report and a very modest story of some truly audacious organising. I bet not many people have had to put their house on the line to organise an audax!
It was not needed in the end -- just a personal guarantee for £10,000.
And since I controlled the purse strings I KNEW that I was safe.
Rog
Post by: mattc on 30 October, 2013, 08:14:35 pm
I know most of the big milemunchers are self-depreciative of their endeavours,You were truly blessed to attend last year's dinner with Barry AND me, last year, weren't you?!
<snip>
Barry Parslow was mentioned in another thread - finding out what it was like to ride PBP in the 60s would be amazing to younger riders like myself (it might be great to see how his memories have changed over the past few decades).
Post by: marcusjb on 30 October, 2013, 08:42:43 pm
Post by: jamesld8 on 31 October, 2013, 06:36:44 am
I feel though that the debates about contents is just like politics / elections if you don`t vote / take part you get what you get and if you want to change it ---take part !!
Well done to all who have taken time to write / contribute / put together / edit :thumbsup:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 October, 2013, 06:46:52 am
An interview with the legendary mattc would be brilliant.
Especially if accompanied with the mattc's legendary
Anyone have it to hand?
Post by: HK on 31 October, 2013, 07:28:40 am
Frankly Frankie I'm led to belief will be at the AGM, so another old timer you can speak to.
<spl;utter!> Why, you damn whipper-snapper! - I'll ... I'll ... ... I'll ... [sinks wheezing to the floor]
...
Riding for a long time doesn't equate to age Frankly Franke e.g. TG and Postie?
My club elders taught me properly, telling me all the old stories and explaining who my betters were; quite sure your exploits were mentioned in the betters catagory. One of the best AUK stories has to be the one Jim Hopper told myself and JJ one AGM of a Trike Arrow Team in France; the bit where one rider wacks another around the head with a sodden wooly hat (think it was Barry Parslow wielding the hat) was hilarious, particularly Jim's dead pan rendition of the tale - can't get that in print can you!
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
Post by: hillbilly on 31 October, 2013, 07:56:11 am
An interview with the legendary mattc would be brilliant.
Especially if accompanied with the mattc's legendarycumwarface photo.
Anyone have it to hand?
You've been on this forum too long when you know exactly the photo this refers to :-[
Post by: hillbilly on 31 October, 2013, 07:57:06 am
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
You started cycling as a toddler? *cough*
Post by: marcusjb on 31 October, 2013, 08:33:29 am
It would make a great front cover to get you ready for the 10 page exposé on Matt's training secrets and philosophies, tales of his epic duels with Flatus and his deep insights on why anything more than 8 speed is wrong.
Maybe a one page special on Matt's beliefs on lighting setups for long time trials.
It'll be a best seller.
Post by: HK on 31 October, 2013, 12:02:14 pm
HK (29 years a-wheel) and now described as a whipper-snapper :thumbsup:
You started cycling as a toddler? *cough*
Zero cycling day = my first Marlboro AC club run with my Dad. I discounted riding to school as a Raleigh Wayfarer with wicker basket (Christmas present from my Dad) didn't seem hard core enough compared to club riding, particularly with my Dad and the Marlboro AC, with who I still ride with from time to time. HK
Post by: Hummers on 31 October, 2013, 12:37:16 pm
(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/anon.jpg)
It would make a great front cover to get you ready for the 10 page exposé on Matt's training secrets and philosophies, tales of his epic duels with Flatus and his deep insights on why anything more than 8 speed is wrong.
Maybe a one page special on Matt's beliefs on lighting setups for long time trials.
It'll be a best seller.
;D
H
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 November, 2013, 09:48:23 am
tales of his epic duels with Flatus
Can it still be called a duel if mattc was the only person who knew it was taking place?
Post by: marcusjb on 01 November, 2013, 10:00:56 am
tales of his epic duels with Flatus
Can it still be called a duel if mattc was the only person who knew it was taking place?
You'll have to read the article to find out! :P
Post by: Ningishzidda on 01 November, 2013, 10:29:50 am
I don't think I'll bother with this Audax thing.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 November, 2013, 12:46:18 pm
That guy looks like he's in pain.
You think that's a pained look. You should see the expression of the person on all fours in front of Matt, just out of shot.
Post by: mattc on 01 November, 2013, 07:45:22 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 01 November, 2013, 07:48:30 pm
May I remind fellow members of the "Flatus Agreement", and the various materials that we agreed to keep from the public gaze, to protect his real identity.
That guy looks like he's in pain.
You think that's a pained look. You should see the expression of the person on all fours in front of Matt, just out of shot.
Was this the reason for the 'Flatus Agreement'?
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 November, 2013, 07:49:31 pm
;)
Post by: mattc on 01 November, 2013, 07:54:16 pm
I don't think mattc has a 50 mile penis, do you?You'll have to wait for MJB's 'exposé' article, same as everyone else.
;)
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2014, 12:35:30 pm
Also a report on the original Windsor-Chester-Windsor, which I shall read with interest, having entered this year's revival edition.
Also a piece with the words "Hummers" and "lumpy" in the title. Standard.
Post by: RichForrest on 03 February, 2014, 12:52:21 pm
Post by: shyumu on 03 February, 2014, 01:11:57 pm
Going to have to reschedule this afternoon's appointments...
Post by: hellymedic on 03 February, 2014, 02:03:46 pm
Post by: ferret on 03 February, 2014, 02:09:49 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 03 February, 2014, 02:14:23 pm
I looked at the LEL finishers' list (p52) and I'm puzzled; why are some names in UPPER CASE? I've seen nothing to explain this.
Some people may have done their original entry in upper case?
Post by: delthebike on 03 February, 2014, 03:09:47 pm
Post by: Andrew Br on 03 February, 2014, 04:28:29 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 03 February, 2014, 04:56:51 pm
Post by: shyumu on 03 February, 2014, 07:17:11 pm
The latest Arrivee came today and I was shocked that it contained my article about my RRTY, which I wrote so long ago that I had (fortunately) forgotten all about it. Now come flooding back all those memories of the cold, dark, rain, and exhaustion. The badge still hangs on the wall and I still look at it about a hundred times a day.
I found your story inspirational and would love to do an RRTY in a few years. PBP first, then see how I feel about Randonneuring.
Post by: Karla on 03 February, 2014, 07:28:10 pm
Post by: Wobbly on 03 February, 2014, 08:15:13 pm
Post by: Glover Fan on 03 February, 2014, 09:02:17 pm
Post by: caerau on 03 February, 2014, 09:20:46 pm
Sad to read about one of our founder members passing on late last year.
I was also morbidly interested to see if an accident that happened behind me on the Buzzard 600 got reported in the accidents list. It was indeed. Good record keeping.
Post by: Martin on 03 February, 2014, 09:30:11 pm
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
so does mine; but not in the RRTY page where it's been reset to 0 :-\
Post by: mikewigley on 03 February, 2014, 09:36:18 pm
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
so does mine; but not in the RRTY page where it's been reset to 0 :-\
reset to 0? I didn't understand that. If you mean you aren't listed at all, the RRTY stuff is split, so you might be in the Handbook.
Post by: mikewigley on 03 February, 2014, 09:38:16 pm
I didn't get my name in the RRTY roll of honour :'(
Yes, I seem to have not included you, which seems a shame as a number of your qualifiers will be my events. I'll add you to the website page when I get a moment.
Post by: Martin on 03 February, 2014, 09:56:51 pm
My name pops up every now and then. Not sure if that's a good thing tho.
so does mine; but not in the RRTY page where it's been reset to 0 :-\
reset to 0? I didn't understand that. If you mean you aren't listed at all, the RRTY stuff is split, so you might be in the Handbook.
thanks; I'm in the handbook :)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 February, 2014, 10:22:41 pm
Post by: bloomers100 on 04 February, 2014, 11:23:48 am
Post by: judenonesuch on 05 February, 2014, 12:57:19 am
Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2014, 09:32:30 am
Just wondering what postcards I needed to have sent to which addresses etc. to have been included in the "LEL 2013 on fixed" list in the handbook... I was going through it not expecting to be mentioned, when my hopes were raised/near-simultaneously cruelly dashed.. :(You need to have included it in your Fixed Wheel Claim. Clicky (http://www.aukweb.net/_resources/files/results/awards/fxdregs.pdf)
We know now, though, so here, have some applause (http://youtu.be/pco91kroVgQ).
Post by: Swallow5 on 05 February, 2014, 09:20:55 pm
I was also morbidly interested to see if an accident that happened behind me on the Buzzard 600 got reported in the accidents list. It was indeed. Good record keeping.
I felt the need to look that one up too, but I'm sure I counted two of us sprawled on the road, not the one recorded.
My ribs still haven't healed seven months on, perhaps I shouldn't have carried on. On the plus side, with the incident report I can claim three mentions!
Post by: jamesld8 on 06 February, 2014, 07:31:10 am
BUT disappointed not to be listed on 12 Points in 2013 table as definitely have 14 (wow !!_)
James BLAIR Rides listed 6 (1 are perms) Points
14 (2 in perms)
Total Distance
1,545 km or 960 miles.
Could this be due to only joining AUK in June ??
Post by: Reg.T on 06 February, 2014, 08:23:08 am
Post by: jamesld8 on 06 February, 2014, 09:20:25 am
I`d got <12 AAA but this year am doing a lot better 10 already :thumbsup:
Post by: GrahamG on 06 February, 2014, 03:23:57 pm
Post by: Wobbly on 06 February, 2014, 07:20:19 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 06 February, 2014, 08:53:32 pm
Post by: Peter on 06 February, 2014, 08:59:22 pm
Post by: mikewigley on 06 February, 2014, 09:24:11 pm
Who do I contact about getting my copy?
Me, but I'll need to know who you are. PM your address so I can check if that's where we sent it
Post by: Bunker22 on 06 February, 2014, 10:03:17 pm
Post by: Bairdy on 07 February, 2014, 06:26:59 am
I loved the bit in the WCW 1976 report that said (Harry's) 'lunch of boiled eggs and 2 bottles of stout hadn't agreed with him' :o
I enjoyed reading that too.
It occurred to me not much has changed since then apart from much better lights these days.
(and lunch is more likely to be a Panini and a latte rather than boiled eggs and stout)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 07 February, 2014, 07:21:03 am
Post by: jogler on 08 February, 2014, 09:27:57 am
Post by: mikewigley on 08 February, 2014, 11:08:36 am
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?
It looks like the Snake Pass climb out of Glossop so that would make it the Mid Peak Grimpeur. We get a good turn out from Macclesfield Wheelers, who are the ones in the orange jerseys. I gave this one a miss last year as it was held on the Wednesday after LEL and my involvement was just to pop over to the pub finish control for some further rehydration therapy
Post by: mattc on 08 February, 2014, 11:36:02 am
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?Pet peeve - lack of clues to the cover pictures. Bloody volunteers ... grumble ...
Post by: De Sisti on 08 February, 2014, 01:47:45 pm
Who do I contact about getting my copy?
Me, but I'll need to know who you are. PM your address so I can check if that's where we sent it
PM sent.
Post by: mikewigley on 08 February, 2014, 05:29:25 pm
Does anyone know the location of the Front Cover pic?Pet peeve - lack of clues to the cover pictures. Bloody volunteers ... grumble ...
That assumes that the photographer actually declared this when submitting to Sheila. Frankly, I think I can guess who that might be
Post by: crazy diamond on 08 February, 2014, 06:07:56 pm
I think the lead group are Claire Hay, Jim Ennis, Alan Whitworth and Des Winterbone.
The others are more difficult to identify, but possibly include two or three Rowsons.
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 February, 2014, 06:47:35 pm
I enjoyed this issue, largely because of Hummers's excellent article.
Not because you got to see my face in their? :'(
Post by: shyumu on 10 February, 2014, 08:47:39 pm
Post by: Graeme on 02 April, 2014, 10:35:51 am
I have submitted articles in the past, and I have come to understand that it would be nice if I rewrote or reworded anything I have previously posted online; to make the offline content a bit more unique.
So given that Arrivée is probably hard work, and given that there is a lot of material online, it was interesting to read in the January minutes that there was a discussion on the future of online and hardcopy publishing:
Quote
...need to clarify the long term relationship between the (new) website and Arrivee, as much of the material currently published through Arrivee will also go to the website which will have a ‘magazine’ style front page The possibility of developing the Arrivee editorial team into a website team was discussed and that Arrivee may evolve into an annual publication. The current handbook is perceived as being somewhat obsolete/redundant as most of the information is available through the website or else could be published through Arrivee. Consequently it was agreed that the 2014 handbook will be the last to be issued in printed form.
Importantly, this appears to be a discussion not a decision and it is sensible to be discussing these relationships and conflicts. I am pleased that Arrivée is not so sacred that its future is off limits for discussion.
I hope that Arrivée survives. I would really miss it.
I hope that the Handbook decision is not final. When the internet is dead and the grey goo has eaten all my binary; it will be nice to show my great grandchildren the handbook and my name in the SR list. But I'll not get the same satisfaction in 2016 if I'm fortunate enough to complete PBP.
Has anyone written to the editor? I sent an email today, but I am passed the deadline for the May publication.
(Just a side note, although the link on the AUK website says 2014 January Minutes... the link opens a document which is dated January 2013.)
Post by: frankly frankie on 02 April, 2014, 02:56:35 pm
The problem with the Handbook is that it does duplicate a lot of material which is also on the website. Where this duplication occurs,
a) a lot of effort has to go into reconciling the two, so that they say the same thing. Essentially each topic (Handbook and website) is the responsibility of some person - usually but not always a Board member - and the yearly task is to whip these people into reviewing and signing-off on their pages.
b) being hardcopy, as long as it exists the Handbook has to be treated as the Ultimate Source of Knowledge - even though for reasons of limited hardcopy space, the web version is often able to explain things better, and of course can stay more abreast of new developments. Nevertheless where there is any difference, if push comes to shove the Handbook has to take precedence.
Oddly (I thought), when I suggested that the Handbook pages could contain URLs to the relevant web pages "for further information" I was told flatly by one Board member that that would be unacceptable.
AFAIK, Arrivee is not under immediate threat, but OTOH some changes of emphasis are likely. Meanwhile there's a possible project to archive all the past Arrivees to PDF, right back to issue 1.
Post by: Wobbly on 02 April, 2014, 05:29:50 pm
However the hard-copy handbook does have a distinct advantage over the on-line version precisely because it has to be fixed at a point in time. On occasions people have had to rely on the exact meaning of a rule and at least with a hard-copy handbook everyone's copy of the rules is the same. Having an on-line version which can be updated to "stay more abreast of new developments" means that wording you read last month may have changed when you refer to it this month. I predict that'll cause a brouhaha at some point.
Meanwhile there's a possible project to archive all the past Arrivees to PDF, right back to issue 1.
Hurrah!
Post by: marcusjb on 02 April, 2014, 06:05:55 pm
Meanwhile there's a possible project to archive all the past Arrivees to PDF, right back to issue 1.
Now that would be fabulous and an important resource!
Post by: mikewigley on 02 April, 2014, 07:48:54 pm
Oddly (I thought), when I suggested that the Handbook pages could contain URLs to the relevant web pages "for further information" I was told flatly by one Board member that that would be unacceptable.
I hope that wasn't me coz it sounds a good idea
Post by: Manotea on 03 April, 2014, 09:02:14 am
(Just a side note, although the link on the AUK website says 2014 January Minutes... the link opens a document which is dated January 2013.)
Thanks for this, now corrected, though in my defence the document was named _2014 and labeled as draft pending formal acceptance at the Board Meeting yesterday!
Otherwise I can but rejoice in the discovery that I have at least one avid reader and offer notice the next instalment will be online in the next week or so!
Post by: Graeme on 03 April, 2014, 09:16:47 am
;D
Post by: Manotea on 03 April, 2014, 10:00:40 am
I've read that literary types used to crowd the quays of New York harbour when cross atlantic liners were due to dock in order to get their hands on the latest editions of London newspapers containing the works of Charles Dickens, which appeared in serial form, chapter by chapter, and the next day the local tabloid headlines would read 'Little Nell is dead!' or some such. Those were the days...
Post by: mattc on 03 April, 2014, 10:15:44 am
Post by: Glover Fan on 08 May, 2014, 12:39:56 pm
Post by: Veloman on 08 May, 2014, 01:02:02 pm
Just received my spring edition and the front cover is without doubt my favourite since I started receiving copies in 2011. No idea who the riders are but they seem to truly captivate what Audax is about. Which is having fun.
Caption for riders is below Contents section on p3.
Post by: Veloman on 08 May, 2014, 01:20:54 pm
Wonderful!
Post by: Chuffy on 08 May, 2014, 01:28:08 pm
14th June, overnight, 140k, fry-up at the finish. Cracking ride. :thumbsup:
Post by: Chuffy on 08 May, 2014, 01:46:30 pm
Post by: Ian H on 08 May, 2014, 01:56:14 pm
Always a pleasure to see an article from McNasty. Would love to meet him one day. ;D
We shared support with Phil and George on the last 24. They really are a lovely couple.
Post by: Chuffy on 08 May, 2014, 02:10:38 pm
I bet their kids are lovely too. :smug:Always a pleasure to see an article from McNasty. Would love to meet him one day. ;D
We shared support with Phil and George on the last 24. They really are a lovely couple.
Post by: Graeme on 08 May, 2014, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: alfapete on 08 May, 2014, 07:01:25 pm
And my other 'best' surprise was an etrex 30. I'm a lucky man...
Thank you Father Birthday
Post by: Wobbly on 08 May, 2014, 10:03:24 pm
I'm a lucky man...
https://myspace.com/deanfriedman/music/song/i-m-a-lucky-guy-74827466-82560187 (https://myspace.com/deanfriedman/music/song/i-m-a-lucky-guy-74827466-82560187)
:)
Post by: Pingu on 08 May, 2014, 10:25:21 pm
Post by: mattc on 10 May, 2014, 09:12:36 am
Just received my spring edition and the front cover is without doubt my favourite since I started receiving copies in 2011. No idea who the riders are but they seem to truly captivate what Audax is about. Which is having fun.My first thought was; quite nice, nothing special, a tandem makes a nice change.
But then I read Ann's story-behind-the-picture. Great stuff :thumbsup:
Post by: Hummers on 10 May, 2014, 09:26:19 am
What are the chances of meeting someone you know, on a different ride, riding in a different direction, in a part of the world neither of you live, at around 1am in the morning?
Spooky. ;D
H
Post by: marcusjb on 10 May, 2014, 09:31:04 am
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 May, 2014, 10:43:23 am
Post by: Wobbly on 11 May, 2014, 04:08:50 pm
May I, once again, offer my congratulations and thanks to the Arrivée editors.
Post by: David Frank on 11 May, 2014, 09:56:27 pm
Post by: Ruth on 11 May, 2014, 10:58:55 pm
Post by: jogler on 12 May, 2014, 08:40:33 am
I was particularly interested in the review of Carradice's Classic saddlebag support as it's currently top of my wish list.In the absence of someone having one to swap for an SQR brkt I shall have to save some pennies.
Post by: Phil W on 12 May, 2014, 11:22:35 pm
This addition, although smaller than usual was a better read. I particularly enjoyed Bruce Dunbar's LEL report in a snakes and ladders stylee and Phil Whitehurst's themed RTTY.
Thanks David. I submitted it for Sheila's edition but was too late. I forgot to send Tim some photos to go with it, but he dug out a nice winter audax piccy for it.
Post by: Grampa on 22 May, 2014, 07:34:32 pm
Post by: mcshroom on 04 August, 2014, 12:40:53 pm
Dropped few my door a few minutes ago. On a quick flick through it looks like there's lots of articles in there, and a good range from a first 100km to a report on the Mille Cymru. Looking forward to reading through :thumbsup:
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 04 August, 2014, 01:57:40 pm
Post by: Millepete on 04 August, 2014, 02:37:58 pm
However it's probably not as bad as having your picture in it but being wrongly identified like my clubmate Steve Massey (top left on page 55) where he is down as John Sabine (OTP) :facepalm:
For comparison, I think the real John S is pictured in the group on page 59 (on the far right)
I suppose both have beards, were wearing red/black tops but I'm not sure which would feel the most aggrieved for being mistaken.
Post by: jsabine on 04 August, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
I'm not remotely aggrieved - as you say, we're not *completely* unalike though Steve's better looking - and it just continues a theme, as Danial spent some time talking to me at Llanwrtyd Wells after I'd packed, under the impression I was someone else entirely.
Post by: IanDG on 04 August, 2014, 03:14:52 pm
Still no picture of me in it :'(
I am tho' - my Arrivee debut :)
I also have one of my photos from the events I organised in it too - but I'm wrongly called Ian Anderson there ;)
Post by: Phil W on 04 August, 2014, 06:37:24 pm
Still no picture of me in it :'(
Since I keep writing articles for Arrivée. You will have to accost me on the next event we are both on and ask me to take your photo and include in an article I must write!
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 04 August, 2014, 06:42:57 pm
You did look after me at the last sleep control on the Mille, but your camera wasn't in sight.Still no picture of me in it :'(
Since I keep writing articles for Arrivée. You will have to accost me on the next event we are both on and ask me to take your photo and include in an article I must write!
Post by: Phil W on 04 August, 2014, 07:32:33 pm
You did look after me at the last sleep control on the Mille, but your camera wasn't in sight.Still no picture of me in it :'(
Since I keep writing articles for Arrivée. You will have to accost me on the next event we are both on and ask me to take your photo and include in an article I must write!
Yes camera was put away at that point, took a few earlier and some later, but generally there was always someone or something to look after; so not many photos taken.
Post by: Martin on 04 August, 2014, 10:05:01 pm
and not 3D (having done it in similar conditions the once)
Post by: Manotea on 04 August, 2014, 10:18:08 pm
So I'll have to settle for Yet Another Mega Edition of Arrivee...
Post by: Wobbly on 04 August, 2014, 11:47:06 pm
Still no mega reviews for my Just A Second column on YACF
Just a second column?
sob
Just 1 sob?
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2014, 06:40:30 am
Still no mega reviews for my Just A Second column on YACF, sob.Perhaps its like being a referee; do it right, noone notices you.
So I'll have to settle for Yet Another Mega Edition of Arrivee...
Post by: marcusjb on 05 August, 2014, 08:05:14 am
Graeme Wylie's article on becoming an Ultra Randonneur is a great overview of what an achievement this is.
And Willesden's SwissHat as the cover star!
Post by: eck on 05 August, 2014, 08:42:45 am
makes note to enter Snow Roads next yearSorry to disappoint Martin, but we are having a break from running it next year. But it's always there as a permanent.
ETA But look out for the Tayside Transgression next year, an equally scenic ride.
Graeme Wylie's article on becoming an Ultra Randonneur is a great overview of what an achievement this is.I've never seen an article so full of such Great Achievements TM Well done G. :thumbsup:
Post by: jsabine on 05 August, 2014, 08:58:52 am
makes note to enter Snow Roads next yearSorry to disappoint Martin, but we are having a break from running it next year.
<Pencils in for 2016>
Can you make sure you cancel the booking for the Lecht headwind though please?
Post by: frankly frankie on 05 August, 2014, 09:05:23 am
But it's always there as a permanent.
Dave Pountney once rode the Snow Roads event and permanent back-to-back. As part of his push to become the first person ever to complete his AAA card.
Post by: LadyVet on 05 August, 2014, 01:35:33 pm
Also Scampi's account of his ECE 300k - always more interesting when you know the roads being described ;)
Thanks to everyone who contributes - very soon the magazine will be what keeps me in touch with AUK and long may it continue :thumbsup:
Post by: eck on 05 August, 2014, 01:44:22 pm
Iddu OTP did the same thing last year.But it's always there as a permanent.
Dave Pountney once rode the Snow Roads event and permanent back-to-back. As part of his push to become the first person ever to complete his AAA card.
Nutter.
Post by: marylogic on 05 August, 2014, 02:26:52 pm
I was greeted with the hardest question I have ever been asked in my life at the Kirriemuir HQ though:
Would you like soup or a bridie?
Fortunately the very kind Mrs Eck could see I was in difficulty and then asked me the easiest question:
Would you like both?
:O)
Post by: rabbit on 05 August, 2014, 02:28:32 pm
Post by: Phil W on 05 August, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Post by: Pingu on 05 August, 2014, 06:46:26 pm
Post by: rabbit on 05 August, 2014, 11:30:55 pm
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Nope that's definitely some haggard old lady on her last legs and not me *denies
Post by: caerau on 06 August, 2014, 07:46:29 am
At least you got in, some of us have been waiting two years or more to get in there :'(
Post by: Rod Marton on 06 August, 2014, 08:31:24 am
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...My first ever picture in Arrivee! I was the shapeless blanket-covered lump next to you.
Post by: jsabine on 06 August, 2014, 08:36:33 am
I'm not sure I could have finished it as a perm - it was only the good folks helping at the Braemar and Kirriemuir controls and the company for the (dark) final leg that got me through.
Company for dark (and wet, and windy) final legs very definitely works both ways. Besides, I'm sure I recall a determination to finish so that you never, ever had to do it again ...
(Is 2016 calling to you yet?)
Post by: IanDG on 06 August, 2014, 09:15:11 am
I think I made a comment in the online article wot I wrote about audax that one is unlikely to look ones best in the middle of a hard randonnee ;) Proved my myself on various pictures I've put up on Facebook.
At least you got in, some of us have been waiting two years or more to get in there :'(
I've been an AUK member since the mid 90s and that's my first picture in Arrivee - OK, I don't get off island to ride many events so I suppose I do have a good 'events ridden:Arrivee mugshot ratio'
Post by: marylogic on 06 August, 2014, 11:54:17 am
Company for dark (and wet, and windy) final legs very definitely works both ways. Besides, I'm sure I recall a determination to finish so that you never, ever had to do it again ...
(Is 2016 calling to you yet?)
Absolutely!
I'd also heartily recommend the Tayside Transgression for anyone disinclined to do Snow Roads as a perm - don't be put off by the lack of AAA points, there are still plenty of hills :O)
Post by: IanDG on 06 August, 2014, 12:11:09 pm
Company for dark (and wet, and windy) final legs very definitely works both ways. Besides, I'm sure I recall a determination to finish so that you never, ever had to do it again ...
(Is 2016 calling to you yet?)
Absolutely!
I'd also heartily recommend the Tayside Transgression for anyone disinclined to do Snow Roads as a perm - don't be put off by the lack of AAA points, there are still plenty of hills :O)
There's also Stornoway if you're after a north of the border 300km ;)
Post by: marylogic on 06 August, 2014, 02:08:51 pm
I quite like 300s but not the dark bits. I had thought either a Western isles or Port Tomahawk 300k in June or July would be my best bet
Post by: iddu on 06 August, 2014, 02:10:23 pm
No.Iddu OTP did the same thing last year.But it's always there as a permanent.
Dave Pountney once rode the Snow Roads event and permanent back-to-back. As part of his push to become the first person ever to complete his AAA card.
Nutter.
"Nutter" would've been ECE'ing the w/e ;D
Post by: frankly frankie on 06 August, 2014, 02:13:41 pm
"Back to back and ECE
Grab your partner by the knee ...
Post by: Bugloss on 08 August, 2014, 11:05:44 am
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Nope that's definitely some haggard old lady on her last legs and not me *denies
He's caught your best side. Bwahaha!!!!!
Post by: IanDG on 08 August, 2014, 11:14:46 am
Oooooh! Does that mean you're thinking of running them again?
So much positive feedback and so many e-mails of support (and I actually enjoyed doing it) so yes, it's all going to happen again :)
Post by: rabbit on 08 August, 2014, 12:43:47 pm
Love to see my usual graceful, immaculate, sprightly self made it into the issue. Ok, that was when I had a blanket over my head, top right, page 51...
You do appear uncovered elsewhere but glad you made it in via my shapes in blankets shot at Betwys
Nope that's definitely some haggard old lady on her last legs and not me *denies
He's caught your best side. Bwahaha!!!!!
(http://mommyoftwinangels.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/20130809-103536.jpg)
Post by: marylogic on 09 August, 2014, 10:19:18 am
Oooooh! Does that mean you're thinking of running them again?
So much positive feedback and so many e-mails of support (and I actually enjoyed doing it) so yes, it's all going to happen again :)
:thumbsup:
Just need to persuade the family now - I think I might present it as a civil liberties protest against the wee frees ride!
Post by: bhoot on 09 August, 2014, 10:38:41 am
There's also Stornoway if you're after a north of the border 300km ;)
Considering a touring holiday to that area next year (was this year's plan until we discovered the Esbjerg ferry was stopping, so we headed for Scandinavia instead) and the idea of combining it with an audax is very appealing. We'll watch the calendar.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 August, 2014, 05:31:33 pm
Post by: GrahamG on 22 August, 2014, 08:50:11 am
I really liked this edition, particularly the historical ones. It is a good mix. If newbies don't know what has happened beforehand, the pioneers and legends tend to be forgotten.
I'd echo this, really enjoyed it as a relative newbie - especially as it wasn't just spurious 'we started it', it was interesting getting a view of cycling around the time that I was learning talk ;)
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 November, 2014, 12:44:36 pm
Nice cover pic of Mary-Jane and LL Cool M :hand:
The 2015 National 400 looks an absolute crackerjack route :thumbsup: ,
Post by: De Sisti on 14 November, 2014, 04:54:28 pm
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Post by: JamesBradbury on 29 April, 2015, 06:51:33 pm
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Post by: caerau on 29 April, 2015, 08:31:49 pm
Post by: JamesBradbury on 30 April, 2015, 06:29:07 am
Also some photos from the event here (http://thinks.jamesbradbury.co.uk/mae-mr-pickwick-yn-mynd-i-chwilio-am-ddreigiau-a-chwedlau-photos/) (with apologies for too many pictures of Flaatuus' bum).
Post by: frankly frankie on 30 April, 2015, 11:49:21 am
(Very bad habit of mine - to check out the bike before the rider - oh, hallo Steve) :thumbsup:
Post by: hillbilly on 30 April, 2015, 12:44:22 pm
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 30 April, 2015, 11:57:04 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 01 May, 2015, 07:56:21 am
My son's friend's mother was very excited to hear her photo is in a magazine. She's not an AUK so hasn't seen it yet. Whether she will still be excited when she does, I can't yet say.
I have a stock of Arrivee copies for sale, and we are doing a special offer for son's friend's mothers. (Actually, we are not, they are £3 including P&P to UK address, same as for anyone else). PM me if you want one
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 05 July, 2015, 10:42:02 am
Post by: hellymedic on 05 July, 2015, 11:26:15 am
Post by: citoyen on 05 July, 2015, 12:48:13 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 05 July, 2015, 12:54:56 pm
I think I'm missing one.
Post by: hellymedic on 05 July, 2015, 01:07:21 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 05 July, 2015, 01:12:37 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 05 July, 2015, 01:20:01 pm
Post by: Si_Co on 05 July, 2015, 01:39:00 pm
When was the last one? :D
I think I'm missing one.
Me too
Post by: menthel on 05 August, 2015, 01:37:35 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 05 August, 2015, 01:59:29 pm
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
I've got mine.
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
Post by: rabbit on 05 August, 2015, 02:04:14 pm
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
I've got mine.
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
Post by: citoyen on 05 August, 2015, 02:13:35 pm
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
Damn, that's annoying. I've just double-checked in case it was my error but the information is published as supplied - even so, I should have spotted it. Unfortunately, I didn't have as much time to spend on fact-checking as I would have liked.
You're right though, it should say September.
Post by: citoyen on 05 August, 2015, 02:19:55 pm
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
:thumbsup:
Post by: Audax Club Hackney on 05 August, 2015, 04:07:45 pm
Post by: jsabine on 05 August, 2015, 04:22:04 pm
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
Pic too. And that's in colour. You do seem to have a very precisely calibrated faffing scale though.
Nice issue, I thought - good balance.
Post by: Andrew Br on 05 August, 2015, 04:43:51 pm
Nice issue, I thought - good balance.
Just what we cyclists need ;).
Post by: Aunt Maud on 05 August, 2015, 06:46:33 pm
Post by: citoyen on 05 August, 2015, 07:17:23 pm
Post by: jamesld8 on 05 August, 2015, 08:35:03 pm
Summer 2015 plopped through my letterbox about an hour ago!
I've got mine.
Quick look shows Chester & N Wales advertising weekend of activities on 'Saturday August 5 2015 and Sunday August 6 2015'
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
I has an article in it - in black n white print n everything OMG my mum is gonna be so proud ;D
nice write up Jo, and your obvious enjoyment of all things around you when riding :thumbsup:---beats the hell out of the nose to the stem sportive types who see nowt but speed.
If nothing else a bike is by sure the one of best ways to see, appreciate and be in touch with the natural world.
Post by: alwyn on 05 August, 2015, 09:01:59 pm
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
Post by: slohill on 05 August, 2015, 09:46:54 pm
I presume they mean September.
Oh Dear!
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Well spotted---yes it is Saturday Sept 5 for "Momma Rides" and Sunday Sept 6 for Beaumaris to Wrexham stage of "Tour of Britain".
Apologies for error caused by date change when Cav dropped his Chester based sportives onto the original "Momma" date of Aug 9. :facepalm:
Post by: citoyen on 05 August, 2015, 10:37:34 pm
Can I read this magazine online ?
Here you go:
http://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arrivee129_summer2015
Link will be on the AUK site soon too.
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Job done. :thumbsup:
Post by: Audax Club Hackney on 05 August, 2015, 11:14:00 pm
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
+1
Post by: Aunt Maud on 06 August, 2015, 05:00:21 am
Post by: IanDG on 06 August, 2015, 06:32:56 am
Great job Citoyen (on the editing not the delivery) :thumbsup:
Post by: caerau on 06 August, 2015, 02:50:52 pm
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
Post by: citoyen on 06 August, 2015, 03:42:59 pm
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 06 August, 2015, 03:45:19 pm
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:the fb group
Am saying nowt. I almost got banned last time I mentioned them.
I really like the cover and the photographs inside are not too bad either ;-)
Post by: caerau on 06 August, 2015, 03:48:11 pm
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
And you thought it was grumpy round here ;)
Post by: hellymedic on 06 August, 2015, 03:57:22 pm
My partner is a Squeamish, Fussy, Grumpy Man and is not.
Post by: caerau on 06 August, 2015, 04:34:44 pm
A bar has been set now - downhill is the only way ;D :demon: ;)
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2015, 05:53:44 pm
I hope noone is actually put off opening the mag, cos they will miss possibly the best article evah in a cycling mag:
the Red King!!!
citoyen: if nothing else, your issue has given me 2 memories that will hang around for a while :)
Post by: Ian H on 06 August, 2015, 06:31:17 pm
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
It wasn't really. One person said he didn't like the cover and a few agreed. More disagreed, and then there was an interesting appraisal of various articles. But the response I like best was -
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I for one find no enjoyment or fun whilst cycling. This photo had led me to seriously consider my future membership of this organisation.
Disgusted,
Lancashire.
Post by: red marley on 06 August, 2015, 06:56:14 pm
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2015, 07:19:32 pm
Yes, I think we need more members like "Disgusted".Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
It wasn't really. One person said he didn't like the cover and a few agreed. More disagreed, and then there was an interesting appraisal of various articles. But the response I like best was -QuoteI for one find no enjoyment or fun whilst cycling. This photo had led me to seriously consider my future membership of this organisation.
Disgusted,
Lancashire.
OK, so 4 people expressing a -ve view on Facebook is a storm in a teacup; but it was the reasons for the dislike that entertained me.
I guess - being a long distance cyclist - I am easily amused ...
Post by: caerau on 06 August, 2015, 07:41:12 pm
Anyway, I just re-leafed through it and was pleased to see something about I ride I was actually on. Unusual as it was about the night control on A Pair of Kirtons by Peter Bond - interesting and good read.
I might just have been one of those 2 or 3 who was asked to wait for a bed but I also think I was taken pity on as they could see I was falling asleep in my chair and allowed to queue jump for the bed. Twas very well run Mr Bond and thank you very much :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(I include all orgs and helpers in that of course). The soup was indeed great, hence its popularity. :-)
Post by: Peter on 06 August, 2015, 09:26:38 pm
Good luck for PBP.
Peter
Post by: Hummers on 07 August, 2015, 04:26:56 am
Glad to see this is getting a better reception than it has done on the AUK Facebook group. :thumbsup:
I rarely pay attention to the fb group but I had to go over and see what you meant...
Crikey. Really didn't expect it to be so controversial!
I know what you mean however opinion is mixed with the majority giving it the thumbs up and only a handful treating it with contempt/disgust.
To my mind, it is someone enjoying being on a tour - oh and for a change, whilst being a (good) featured article, it is not an Audax *swoons*.
H
Post by: Banjo on 07 August, 2015, 10:35:17 am
As I closed my facebook account a long time back I guess I will never know.
I also chuckled at the Red King ,found the story about the boy doing his first 50k audax uplifting and enjoyed most of the other content.
The only controversial bit I could spot was the article about a fast 400 which described the event as a race more than once.Maybe I am just jealous of people who can get to controls before they open ,not a problem I need to worry about ;D
Post by: alotronic on 07 August, 2015, 01:44:10 pm
I hope noone is actually put off opening the mag, cos they will miss possibly the best article evah in a cycling mag:
the Red King!!!
My work, thanks!
Post by: Deano on 07 August, 2015, 06:57:07 pm
I thought the cover photo was great. Knew I should've sent this one from PBP 2011 into Arrivée...
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6184/6089438702_7de6c60027_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ah6XYs)
Post by: Ian H on 08 August, 2015, 11:36:30 am
All-in-all a very well-presented magazine.
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2015, 12:23:51 pm
Post by: citoyen on 08 August, 2015, 12:24:23 pm
OK, so 4 people expressing a -ve view on Facebook is a storm in a teacup; but it was the reasons for the dislike that entertained me.
Yeah, it's barely even a storm in a teacup - maybe slight turbulence in a thimble at worst - but it took me by surprise. I forget sometimes that at 42, I'm one of the younger members of the organisation and many members have what might be considered a somewhat old-fashioned outlook. ;)
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
I also chuckled at the Red King ,found the story about the boy doing his first 50k audax uplifting and enjoyed most of the other content.
Yes, I thought they were both great.
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The only controversial bit I could spot was the article about a fast 400 which described the event as a race more than once.
Indeed. I did tone it down slightly to remove references to finishing times though. But on the whole I thought it was a good piece and merited its place in the issue.
As Dave 'Man of Kent' Winslade says, it's about 'having a good time, not doing a good time' but it's important to remember that the two are not mutually exclusive - to my mind, there's nothing wrong with getting your kicks by finishing a 400 as fast as you possibly can, as long as it's within the upper time limit and you're not actually treating it as a race (I think it's OK in this instance because Ciaran is using the term 'race' in an informal sense).
By contrast, Peter's piece about his Yorkshire Dales ride highlights the joy of just enjoying a day out at relaxed pace with no eye on the clock. Audax is a broad church.
the photo captioned 'Colin and John' doesn't feature Colin
Oops! My bad. Sorry.
There are a few errors here and there throughout the mag - technical glitches with pictures, mainly - largely down to the time pressure of putting the mag together while also being exceptionally busy in the day job. Now I've got a better idea of the overall process, it should run a bit smoother next time.
An Arrivee without a mis-captioned photo would be like an Audax without a road-closure.
;D
Post by: Veloman on 08 August, 2015, 01:58:18 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 August, 2015, 04:01:35 pm
As Dave 'Man of Kent' Winslade says, it's about 'having a good time, not doing a good time' but it's important to remember that the two are not mutually exclusive - to my mind, there's nothing wrong with getting your kicks by finishing a 400 as fast as you possibly can, as long as it's within the upper time limit and you're not actually treating it as a race (I think it's OK in this instance because Ciaran is using the term 'race' in an informal sense).
We filmed Ciaran on the Conor Pass, the highest one in Ireland. He's got a 'spiritual' view of climbing, which caused some interesting cross cultural misunderstanding with a Dutch rider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_9zp7BSiM
Post by: fussballclub on 08 August, 2015, 06:18:26 pm
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
Nearly missed that, Sharpies Sandals!
Good work on the Arrivée.
Post by: andyoxon on 08 August, 2015, 06:23:13 pm
That cover photo made me smile when I saw it on the doormat this evening ;D
Excellent front cover. Good work!
+1
Like it too. :)
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2015, 06:25:21 pm
Had a look on the ACH page - disappointing lack of provocative footage. :(
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
(I may not have opened *every* picture).
Could you sneak it into the next edition?!?
Post by: PatC on 08 August, 2015, 06:30:32 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2015, 06:39:39 pm
Had a look on the ACH page - disappointing lack of provocative footage. :(
It's lucky the Straight Outta Hackney 200 didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier or there could have been some real controversy... (cf. pic of jsabine & friends on ACH facebook page)
(I may not have opened *every* picture).
Could you sneak it into the next edition?!?
Maybe referring to this terribly rude picture. I think the offender should be ashamed of himself. ;)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11039296_876103205811358_5324377890342707031_n.jpg?oh=df61e3b93bf8242521a51777956a5db5&oe=5645C874)
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2015, 06:50:13 pm
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
Post by: citoyen on 08 August, 2015, 07:07:46 pm
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
The controversy is that he's riding hands-free and not wearing a helmet. Disgraceful example to set. ;)
Post by: Veloman on 08 August, 2015, 07:09:12 pm
The controversy is that he's riding hands-free and not wearing a helmet. Disgraceful example to set. ;)
Not in a BC organised race is he?
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2015, 07:10:22 pm
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
A board member, possibly, in contravention of Regulation 9.3.3 - I am appalled.
Won't someone think of the children?
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 August, 2015, 09:01:24 pm
Post by: citoyen on 08 August, 2015, 09:27:20 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 08 August, 2015, 09:39:32 pm
I thought tri-bars were frowned upon.
No, only in France. Actually, tribars are great for Audax, giving lots of extra space to hang lights etc, adding extra riding positions, and as a route sheet lectern
Post by: Ian H on 08 August, 2015, 09:39:58 pm
I don't know who he is but he's a fine specimen of homo audaxensis. He did that thing of plodding along, seemingly at snail's pace, then finished well ahead of me. The sod. ;D
That's George. He's busy growing old disgracefully.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 August, 2015, 09:46:23 pm
(http://bdc-forum.it/picture.php?albumid=5933&pictureid=52073)
as in this shot from PBP 2007.
(http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/Resources/pbp_misc/2007/4257_Damon-PEACOCK_Bleakney.jpg)
Post by: veloboy on 08 August, 2015, 09:56:14 pm
I don't know who he is but he's a fine specimen of homo audaxensis. He did that thing of plodding along, seemingly at snail's pace, then finished well ahead of me. The sod. ;D
That's George. He's busy growing old disgracefully.
The native American Indians know him as the 'Sasquatch'... In the Himalayas he is known as the 'Yetti'.
Post by: red marley on 08 August, 2015, 09:57:14 pm
Those are actually 'Spinaci' bars, I've got some Spinacissimi, which can serve as a platform for a bar bag, handy when you want the lights underneath.
(http://bdc-forum.it/picture.php?albumid=5933&pictureid=52073)
They look more like Fisher Price My First Tri-bars to me.
Post by: Salvatore on 08 August, 2015, 10:05:30 pm
Anyone know if any of the others are still alive?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 August, 2015, 10:26:46 pm
(http://www.gottaridebikes.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/AER0003_lg.jpg)
Post by: jefmcg on 09 August, 2015, 12:07:08 am
And I like this issue of Arrivée. I'm not even sure what the weirdos on FB are complaining about.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 August, 2015, 12:24:55 am
Audax is a learning curve, and it's important to remember who you've learned from. Because you might be expected to do them a favour one day, to save a ride.
Post by: jsabine on 09 August, 2015, 12:46:24 am
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
A board member, possibly, in contravention of Regulation 9.3.3 - I am appalled.
Won't someone think of the children?
Having thought of the children, I feel - no, I am - suitably ashamed.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 August, 2015, 10:27:05 am
I glanced at that one and thought all 3 were just waving amiably, in a display of appreciation and joy at their rural itinerary. I believe jsabine is on the commitee - it MUST be an optical illusion that his hands are in fact ...
No, I can't bring myself to type it. It can't be possible.
A board member, possibly, in contravention of Regulation 9.3.3 - I am appalled.
Won't someone think of the children?
Having thought of the children, I feel - no, I am - suitably ashamed.
Satuting victory ??
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 11 August, 2015, 08:49:26 pm
Post by: damerell on 13 August, 2015, 11:38:55 am
I thought the cover photo was great.
Now I've seen the cover, so do I. Can't imagine why anyone would make a fuss.
Post by: frankly frankie on 06 November, 2015, 11:56:04 am
Now that really is an excellent cover pic. :thumbsup:
Post by: Wobbly on 06 November, 2015, 12:52:38 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 06 November, 2015, 12:59:12 pm
Post by: mattc on 06 November, 2015, 01:09:48 pm
Needs more tongue.Steady!
Our work fire-wall has just blocked me from reading the "Audax tyre" thread. Please leave me some threads to read in my lunch hour.
Post by: hellymedic on 06 November, 2015, 01:51:44 pm
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
Post by: hellymedic on 06 November, 2015, 01:55:54 pm
Agreed, refreshing to see something different on the cover.
Identical trees noted...
Post by: marcusjb on 06 November, 2015, 02:10:44 pm
Needs more tongue.Steady!
Our work fire-wall has just blocked me from reading the "Audax tyre" thread. Please leave me some threads to read in my lunch hour.
No - it's a really nice cover, great piece of art. There's some background on it in the editor's intro.
Good stuff.
Post by: Whitedown Man on 06 November, 2015, 02:37:43 pm
Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
I also had someone else's renewal form (in addition to my own) in my copy
Post by: hellymedic on 06 November, 2015, 02:44:54 pm
Post by: Assasin on 06 November, 2015, 02:49:55 pm
Post by: citoyen on 06 November, 2015, 02:50:50 pm
Agreed, refreshing to see something different on the cover.
Yes, chapeau, Peter. :thumbsup:
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 06 November, 2015, 03:32:33 pm
I used to include loads of useful things in this letter, such as a reminder of your password for www.aukweb.net, but as the mailing service we use cannot guarantee that their paper handling works perfectly, I don't, which is a pity.
Mike Wigley (MemSec)
Post by: fussballclub on 06 November, 2015, 03:38:50 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 06 November, 2015, 04:55:09 pm
Please let me know if you have someone else's renewals invitation as it means that they are missing out on their Arrivee.
I used to include loads of useful things in this letter, such as a reminder of your password for www.aukweb.net, but as the mailing service we use cannot guarantee that their paper handling works perfectly, I don't, which is a pity.
Mike Wigley (MemSec)
Hope you received my email.
AN Other, like me does not need to renew membership this year (but still deserves an Arrivée).
Post by: Manotea on 06 November, 2015, 05:53:29 pm
So it was PBP this year. Who knew?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 November, 2015, 06:04:36 pm
The back cover is as good as the front, in its own way.
Post by: perpetual dan on 06 November, 2015, 06:36:29 pm
Post by: Wobbly on 06 November, 2015, 08:47:49 pm
Post by: Charlie Boy on 06 November, 2015, 09:02:39 pm
Post by: Clemo on 06 November, 2015, 09:41:49 pm
It should be noted that, breaking with the tradition of at least the last hundred issues of Arrivée, there's a photo of yours truly!Indeed you are :thumbsup:
Post by: Whitedown Man on 06 November, 2015, 10:17:53 pm
Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
I also had someone else's renewal form (in addition to my own) in my copy
Turns out my son's copy had someone else's form in it too. Did everyone get two, or are we just blessed as a family?
Post by: perpetual dan on 06 November, 2015, 10:22:45 pm
Post by: Ruthie on 06 November, 2015, 10:24:55 pm
Post by: marylogic on 06 November, 2015, 11:08:42 pm
There seem to be some VERY young lads 'imbued by the spirit of long-distance cycling'.
It was lovely to read about the other , even younger lad. Mine was mostly imbued by the spirit of haribo, but he was delighted to see himself in print, and I suspect he'll need no persuading to do another audax.
Post by: cygnet on 07 November, 2015, 02:01:43 am
The back cover is even better.
It was a tough decision, but I agree
(Not at all biased ;))
Thanks Parky. Good memories.
Post by: Huff n Puff on 07 November, 2015, 10:51:27 am
I wonder if it's a new 'twinning' initiative, like towns have so that the dignitaries can have a jolly abroad at the taxpayers expense? Only here, Dagenham Dave gets randomly twinned with Gary from Glossop and they get to visit each other for Audax rides?Turns out my son's copy had someone else's form in it too. Did everyone get two, or are we just blessed as a family?Packaged with my Arrivée was the front sheet for myself and AN Other.
I have emailed Mike to tell him.
Hope Other gets a mag soon.
I also had someone else's renewal form (in addition to my own) in my copy
Or maybe it's like one of those 'Office Buddy' systems where you cover for a colleague when they're away? Only here, if they don't pay their subscription, you have their renewal form and can pay it for them?
Post by: Felicity on 07 November, 2015, 04:39:10 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 07 November, 2015, 06:07:28 pm
I've got someone else's cover sheet as well as my own too, which presumably means that that person didn't get their Arrivée at all - seems to be a bit of a feature of this edition.
There certainly seems to be a lot of it about!
At least if we tell Delph Cyclist about he can ensure the intended recipients can get their copies.
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
Post by: vorsprung on 10 November, 2015, 08:28:22 am
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 10 November, 2015, 10:56:02 am
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
That is usually a result of a lottery that the Royal Mail conducts, whereby a small number of Long Distance Cycling Magazines are selected at random and distributed to alternative addresses. They do this to spread the word on our behalf. You have to pay good money for that level of service provision.
I only know of 2 dozen who haven't received Arrivee as a result of this problem with mis-addressing and replacements are in today's post.
Post by: bikey-mikey on 10 November, 2015, 04:18:21 pm
I didn't get one.....
That's it then... AGM now invalid cos I didn't get time to consider...
;D ;D ;D
Post by: Peter on 10 November, 2015, 05:26:28 pm
Post by: bikey-mikey on 10 November, 2015, 06:45:56 pm
No trophy for you then!
Cheers Peter O:-)
:P One would have to be truly daft not to realise that my true reward is the thousands of hours of enjoyment I get whilst riding... which I could get without Audaxing.....
Audax wins by providing Calendar events that give me a huge resource of interesting safe routes to ride, and a huge range of folks to ride with....
30 seconds of fame getting a trophy is an acknowledgement of my efforts from an organisation I'm proud to be a member of, and it's value to me is linked to that pride...... the more pride in the organisation, the more it means to me....
We organise non-competitive events, and it is a prerequisite of these events that Audaxers actually ride their bikes non-competitively, and this is done to make the RIDING as safe as possible, i.e. not racing, or bumping shoulders trying to take someone's place in a pace line, or descending near the limit to try and beat somebody else to the finish, or even sprinting at the arrivee, but rather paying attention to the rules of the road and giving due consideration to other road users... That's what AUK means by non-competitive cycling -
We make this obvious to everyone by giving every validated finisher to one of our rides the same equal reward, expressed as points, and of course we do not publish finishing times...
A by-product of this approach is that we, and our inestimable organisers, are not plagued by all the regulations that cover road racing.....
Having points and a way to compare your own to your mate's is an advantage that we have over Sportives, and if we make that more apparent, we might pick up more new audaxers....
Obviously pushing buttons on my computer as I plan/enter my audax rides/campaigns is NOT dangerous to other audaxers, and is NOT competitive riding, and accordingly I enjoy attempting to enter more rides than anyone else, as long as I'm not hurting anyone.....
ABOVE ALL, ENJOY YOUR RIDING AND RESPECT YOUR FELLOW RIDERS :thumbsup:
Mikey
PS I also get a bit of fun following the ludicrous antics of a very small minority of people..... only one thing to say to them.....
Looozzzzeeeerrrrrsssssss ;D Ha ;D Ha ;D Ha ;D Ha ;D
Post by: menthel on 11 November, 2015, 10:50:52 am
Post by: Peter on 11 November, 2015, 02:33:16 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 11 November, 2015, 03:50:51 pm
l too, have someone else's coversheet.I've got someone else's cover sheet as well as my own too, which presumably means that that person didn't get their Arrivée at all - seems to be a bit of a feature of this edition.
There certainly seems to be a lot of it about!
At least if we tell Delph Cyclist about he can ensure the intended recipients can get their copies.
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 November, 2015, 04:07:49 pm
Post by: C-3PO on 11 November, 2015, 07:06:41 pm
Post by: mattc on 11 November, 2015, 07:11:48 pm
that they sign an agreement to be Jolly Smashing in all future relations with fellow AUKs.
So, the review. (Written before finishing it, as is the modern way). Overall, above average. But with a stellar cover. (Front).
Highlights were Ara's typically silly piece, the Hennesey PBP report. (And the two PBP "fails" were pretty good too - always more interesting than an incident-free mid-pack finish!)
But the biggest shock was enjoying not one, but TWO articles about OCD.
Post by: hellymedic on 11 November, 2015, 07:13:26 pm
I don't see what else he could have done, really.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 November, 2015, 07:31:01 pm
It's always nice to see how our photos come out in print. We took more of the general atmosphere, and didn't concentrate on AUK members, so the editor did well to sort out the AUKs from what we sent him.
We approached PBP with an international mindset. It would be nice to see a compilation of articles from other country's magazines. Perhaps we could nominate articles to go forward to some sort of LRM digest.
Post by: De Sisti on 11 November, 2015, 07:46:07 pm
Posted to Mr Blacksheep (a handful a miles down the road)
l too, have someone else's coversheet.
Post by: Arry-R on 11 November, 2015, 07:54:06 pm
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
Rocco was indeed an incredible chairman of AUK in his many years but wasn't responsible for mailing all our mags. If you'd complained about a lost issue he'd have said 'Ahhh what can I say ' I do know without a doubt he'd wish all members committee and the rest of us to treat each other with great respect wit and patience . I am sure he wouldn't think much of the in fighting and unpleasantness that frequently can be read. I say in the memory of Rocco and AUK try to be grateful for all the committee and other volunteers do for us. Change what you cannot accept and accept what you cannot change.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 November, 2015, 07:25:58 am
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
That's unfortunate, Judith.
Especially as it would have been your last ever issue of Arrivée, after you told us last month that you have decided to change membership from AUK to CTC. How has the move gone? I'm sure we all wish you well in the new direction your cycling is taking you.
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 November, 2015, 08:16:57 am
I don't have an Arrivee at all. Guess some lucky person received my cover sheet and that's an end to it.
AUK is certainly not what it was. Bring back Chairman Rocco!
That's unfortunate, Judith.
Especially as it would have been your last ever issue of Arrivée, after you told us last month that you have decided to change membership from AUK to CTC. How has the move gone? I'm sure we all wish you well in the new direction your cycling is taking you.
+1 , I hope everything is going well for you Judith. I thought that we had a strong and thriving CTC over here in CTC West. But CTC South Bucks would appear to have an amazingly strong and thriving community, and some beautiful cycling countryside.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 November, 2015, 08:21:24 am
Post by: rabbit on 12 November, 2015, 09:13:35 am
But the biggest shock was enjoying not one, but TWO articles about OCD.
And jolly good ones too. Made me look into the OCD thing for the first time and consider having something else to obsess about for a while.
Thanks all contributors, am enjoying trundling though it.
I thought that we had a strong and thriving CTC over here in CTC West.
I have met a few folks recently involved with the CTC and am interested in joining some of the local rides as they seem like lovely folk. Does Mrs Blacksheep still ride with them?
Post by: marcusjb on 12 November, 2015, 09:18:32 am
There were previously numerous people who never got their copies.
That is usually a result of a lottery that the Royal Mail conducts, whereby a small number of Long Distance Cycling Magazines are selected at random and distributed to alternative addresses. They do this to spread the word on our behalf. You have to pay good money for that level of service provision.
I only know of 2 dozen who haven't received Arrivee as a result of this problem with mis-addressing and replacements are in today's post.
Top marks. Sounds like something outside of AUK control, but as ever, our amazing volunteers have stepped up and resolved the situation quickly and efficiently.
:thumbsup:
Post by: menthel on 12 November, 2015, 09:46:25 am
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 November, 2015, 09:59:03 am
I have met a few folks recently involved with the CTC and am interested in joining some of the local rides as they seem like lovely folk. Does Mrs Blacksheep still ride with them?
Yep, out every Tuesday morning - departing the ice cream hut in Pitville park at 09.00 prompt. And every Sunday morning, same departure but time changes depending on season.
They also have Thursday evening rides departing at 19.15 hrs. Thursday morning rides are scratch rides you choose your own route and "meet at 11's" - wherever the destination may be.
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 November, 2015, 10:34:10 am
It would appear that numerous members' renewal & cover sheet got "stuck" to the same of others' .
Top marks. Sounds like something outside of AUK control, but as ever, our amazing volunteers have stepped up and resolved the situation quickly and efficiently.
:thumbsup:
I agree that AUK may not be directly responsible for this inconvenience, and volunteers do sterling work for the AUK cause.
However, I would expect nothing less from those that sought election to AUK positions to put into action an investigation why the incident happened, and what corrective actions are going into place to prevent further occurances.
Post by: Pete Mas on 12 November, 2015, 10:56:42 am
Post by: TigaSefi on 12 November, 2015, 11:18:14 am
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 November, 2015, 11:26:36 am
However, I would expect nothing less from those that sought election to AUK positions to put into action an investigation why the incident happened, and what corrective actions are going into place to prevent further occurances.
Even those folk that don't get elected?
Post by: Arry-R on 12 November, 2015, 11:45:42 am
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 November, 2015, 11:46:40 am
Mistype "those that sought and gained election"However, I would expect nothing less from those that sought election to AUK positions to put into action an investigation why the incident happened, and what corrective actions are going into place to prevent further occurances.
Even those folk that don't get elected?
Post by: hellymedic on 12 November, 2015, 12:12:40 pm
I also found I have two front sheets- whom do I inform?
Delph Cyclist of this parish is AUK Membership Secretary. Tell him.
Post by: menthel on 12 November, 2015, 12:52:35 pm
I also found I have two front sheets- whom do I inform?
Delph Cyclist of this parish is AUK Membership Secretary. Tell him.
Will do, thanks!
Post by: marcusjb on 12 November, 2015, 12:58:44 pm
Post by: menthel on 12 November, 2015, 01:31:51 pm
There's a copy in St Margarets if that helps either Menthel or Pete Mas (or anyone else in SW London).
I have my Arrivee and a frontsheet and also another member's front sheet! Thanks for the offer though.
I also renewed my membership online, its so easy (and a bargain to boot), that posting off seems a bit daft in my case!
Post by: Huff n Puff on 12 November, 2015, 01:59:18 pm
There's a copy in St Margarets if that helps either Menthel or Pete Mas (or anyone else in SW London).And any NW London commuters who use the Metropolitan Line, please feel free to read it over my shoulder on the tube. ;D
On a serious note, it's quite a good edition.....as has been said earlier, the PBP fails were good tales and actually quite refreshing to read! When does the online version appear on the AUK website? Putting it up would certainly offer some sort of quick fix for those Arrivée junkies who need their fix and are missing out on this bumper edition.
Post by: MarkA on 12 November, 2015, 02:07:50 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 12 November, 2015, 03:23:17 pm
As I do not have mine I agree that putting it on line would be a good idea. Also due to current eyesight issues I prefer to read on line.
It also mean you didn't get a reminder that your membership might need renewal. You can always tell at www.aukweb.net > Members > MyDetails which might tell you that "your membership expires Dec 2015". If so, going to www.aukweb.net/renewals should do the trick.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 16 November, 2015, 11:07:33 am
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I'm one of the few who didn't get Arrive this issue. I have waited for the second posting but nothing had come as of Saturday. Do I request a copy from you or another?
Yes! There hasn't been a "second posting" except to those that have been reported to me. I can't guess who hasn't received their Arrivee.
Post by: TigaSefi on 16 November, 2015, 01:18:15 pm
Post by: GrahamG on 16 November, 2015, 02:22:26 pm
Post by: citoyen on 16 November, 2015, 04:15:32 pm
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? In fact, this type of job is frequently done by hand, even for magazines with print runs going into the tens of thousands. There are specialist hand-finishing companies who can often do the job more cost-effectively, accurately and quickly than machines.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 16 November, 2015, 06:18:31 pm
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
And it is so. That I think is the problem. 100% efficiency from machines is obviously too much to ask for, but this is looking rather poor to me. It's about 40 from a mailing of over 5803, so you can work out the percentages. As the poor sod having to pick this up I'm not impressed.
Post by: doctorpop on 16 November, 2015, 09:25:02 pm
http://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arrivee_130_autumn_2015 (http://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arrivee_130_autumn_2015)
Thanks to everyone for their kind words about this edition, on here and elsewhere, and thanks to everyone who contributed of course.
I'd like to be able to take full credit for having Mark Fairhurst draw the cover art, but I can't - the idea came from Rob Simmonds, our @audaxuk person on Twitter. All thanks to Rob for pointing me in Mark's direction. Turned out quite well in the end :thumbsup:
Peter
Post by: hellymedic on 16 November, 2015, 10:21:52 pm
I envisage a mechanised operation at the printers for 6,000 copies.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
And it is so. That I think is the problem. 100% efficiency from machines is obviously too much to ask for, but this is looking rather poor to me. It's about 40 from a mailing of over 5803, so you can work out the percentages. As the poor sod having to pick this up I'm not impressed.
We're grateful that you've done your best to sort this out.
IMHO the percentage failure rate is almost irrelevant.
If one poor soul has to sort out 40 non Arrivées, that's 40 too many (and around 35 more than is tolerable).
Post by: damerell on 17 November, 2015, 12:35:15 pm
Thanks to everyone for their kind words about this edition, on here and elsewhere, and thanks to everyone who contributed of course.
I particularly enjoyed Ara's article, having ridden with her once or twice with a certain amount of bonus misery from the ride and the conditions.
Post by: bikey-mikey on 17 November, 2015, 01:03:49 pm
Post by: Redlight on 17 November, 2015, 03:31:10 pm
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Could you go and collect your copy and count it as a perm?
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 17 November, 2015, 04:41:57 pm
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Right, I'll resend. I don't always know who is behind a YACF name but I think I can hazard a guess at your identity this time. A common reason for pas d'arrivee d'Arrivee is a change of address, but I doubt that is the reason here so I'll resend to what we have at www.aukweb.net > Members > MyDetails
Mike
Post by: BlackSheep on 17 November, 2015, 04:56:59 pm
Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Ma Arrivee est toujours pas arrivé soit
Post by: Huff n Puff on 17 November, 2015, 05:56:57 pm
Excellent notion, indeed, why not take it a stage further and deliver all of the other missing copies by bike too? Or even.......all 6,000 copies next quarter, wow, now that's what I call a Brevet!Err, Arrivee still n'est pas arrivee..........
Could you go and collect your copy and count it as a perm?
This could trump PBP, yes ABC (Arrivee By Cycle) could be the 'must do' Brevet of the future! Only four lucky (?) members would get the chance each year and even more Kudos if you do it on a fixie. Now that's what I call long distance cycling....or the biggest paper round ever perhaps?
Post by: Reg.T on 17 November, 2015, 06:18:20 pm
Deliver Arrivee Four Times in a Year
Post by: bikey-mikey on 17 November, 2015, 07:07:17 pm
Great posts, all...
Post by: Nethypete on 19 November, 2015, 11:10:35 pm
Post by: JohnOnABike on 22 November, 2015, 07:11:43 pm
Post by: mattc on 22 November, 2015, 07:43:44 pm
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?What planet are you on?
Post by: Huff n Puff on 22 November, 2015, 07:57:22 pm
A Planet X perhaps?I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?What planet are you on?
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 November, 2015, 12:31:57 pm
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?
Mine arrived this morning, Mike W very kindly posted me a copy following the fact that my cover details went to De Sisti OTP.
The post Mark franking showed a date of November 10th, so it took RM 13 days to deliver - that's not too bad for this area. :facepalm:
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 23 November, 2015, 06:03:24 pm
I still haven't received my copy of Arrivee - should I have got it by now?
Yes. Have you told the membership secretary of your difficulties? membership@audax.uk
Post by: hellymedic on 23 November, 2015, 08:06:04 pm
In some cases an AUK might alert him to AN Other's malposted front sheet but it's dead easy to throw out front sheets without noticing there are two in the pack.
Post by: Chuffy on 24 November, 2015, 05:48:28 pm
I'd like to be able to take full credit for having Mark Fairhurst draw the cover art, but I can't - the idea came from Rob Simmonds, our @audaxuk person on Twitter. All thanks to Rob for pointing me in Mark's direction. Turned out quite well in the end :thumbsup:Nice to see it actually happen! :thumbsup:
Peter
Just to clarify - that Rob bloke (me!) doesn't run the AUK Twitter any more, he was just doing it for the duration of #PBP2015.
Post by: Wobbly on 24 November, 2015, 06:31:46 pm
Post by: Pichy on 24 November, 2015, 07:52:45 pm
'oo runs it now then?
It's irritating that your maxim doesn't get grabbed by 'quoting', as it's to that I wish to refer. Following your supposition, and borrowing from my days in rugby land when we used to look forward with youthful, if somewhat naive, optimism to future tours despite the self inflicted horrors we had just endured, it makes perfect sense that 'your next 1200's your best 1200'.
In fact...
Post by: Chuffy on 24 November, 2015, 10:50:25 pm
'oo runs it now then?I plead hignerance m'lud. I borrowed the keys off Ian H, but I don't know who has them now.
Post by: jsabine on 25 November, 2015, 02:05:55 am
Post by: Wobbly on 25 November, 2015, 08:00:45 am
As for Pichy's comment, haven't the foggiest what (s)he's on about... Can anyone translate?
Post by: Somnolent on 25 November, 2015, 08:11:25 am
As for Pichy's comment, haven't the foggiest what (s)he's on about... Can anyone translate?
It needs a whole new thread.
Post by: Nethypete on 25 November, 2015, 08:37:35 am
As for Pichy's comment, haven't the foggiest what (s)he's on about... Can anyone translate?
Yon dooner at the arse end o' all yer quotes could look forrard an' be positife.
Post by: ChillyPanda on 27 November, 2015, 08:26:49 pm
I'm sure it's obvious somewhere in the 73 pages of this thread but who should I contact to request the latest issue?
I've tried e-mailing membership@audax.uk.net
Response I received = nada
Then tried e-mailing the Secretary using the e-mail printed in my previous copy of arrivee: mike.w****@audax.uk.net
Response I received = 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender'
Help!
Post by: hellymedic on 27 November, 2015, 08:51:41 pm
It is possible the he may be Elsewhere, having A Life.
It might help him if you can quote your Membership Number.
Post by: ChillyPanda on 27 November, 2015, 09:30:36 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 28 November, 2015, 11:16:03 am
I've tried e-mailing membership@audax.uk.net
Ah, I think I can spot why that didn't work. Forget that "net" which used to follow aukweb. I can be contacted at membership@audax.uk, or www.aukweb.net > Contact Us > Membership Secretary (http://www.aukweb.net/contactus/).
Post by: Phil W on 28 November, 2015, 01:57:03 pm
Ten years below average a good one, plus noting the OCD entries
Post by: wilkyboy on 29 January, 2016, 12:33:42 pm
Post by: Graeme on 29 January, 2016, 12:35:58 pm
Post by: GPS on 29 January, 2016, 12:39:40 pm
Post by: Reg.T on 29 January, 2016, 01:09:04 pm
;D
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 January, 2016, 01:36:47 pm
Only took five years and 130,000 kms.....
Post by: Ian H on 29 January, 2016, 01:38:17 pm
Well I can see Ian at the front, possibly riding fixed, and Reg following him, but not sure who the next guy with the bright light is, unless it's me, cos I had a lift down with Reg... OMG it is me, on the cover of arrivee.....
Only took five years and 130,000 kms.....
And there was me thinking Reg was being ironic.
Post by: Reg.T on 29 January, 2016, 01:41:38 pm
... the next guy with the bright light is, unless it's me, cos I had a lift down with Reg... OMG it is me.....Oh, it's your light... and there was me thinking the sun was shining ....
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 January, 2016, 01:44:32 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 January, 2016, 03:11:51 pm
Post by: Reg.T on 29 January, 2016, 03:13:55 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2016, 03:29:38 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 January, 2016, 04:01:45 pm
My, there are some handsome chaps on the front cover!Odd you should say that, I thought the chap in red looked a bit like you, but so much older and more worn looking... ;)
;D
Post by: Wobbly on 29 January, 2016, 04:38:27 pm
Scratchin' me head in bafflement at the AGM ;D
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2016, 04:56:48 pm
Giraffe on my right, is recognisable and identifiable.
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 January, 2016, 05:28:55 pm
On looking again, it appears that the picture is from 2013. I've done Mad March twice, in 2013 and 2015, but was on a different bike last year. I'd recommend the event, BTW.
Yes 2013. I'm riding the Ribble, which I can tell from the SON Dynamo in the front wheel.....
Post by: Reg.T on 29 January, 2016, 06:07:27 pm
Well yes: that's because it was the second event of my first ever back-to-back weekend, having ridden March Madness from Tewkesbury the day before.My, there are some handsome chaps on the front cover!Odd you should say that, I thought the chap in red looked a bit like you, but so much older and more worn looking... ;)
;D
Post by: rob on 29 January, 2016, 07:25:14 pm
Junior was stamping the cards and I was socialising, post PBP.
Post by: Nethypete on 30 January, 2016, 10:56:48 am
Post by: hillbilly on 30 January, 2016, 01:05:24 pm
Post by: marcusjb on 30 January, 2016, 01:38:22 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
Congratulations!
Post by: hillbilly on 30 January, 2016, 02:05:42 pm
Post by: Phil W on 30 January, 2016, 02:13:48 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
Was the Coma spelt RRTY AAA?
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 30 January, 2016, 02:42:23 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
In that case, you probably spent your coma as William.
Post by: Graeme on 30 January, 2016, 04:07:24 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
Is your real name Bobby Ewing?
Post by: Graeme on 30 January, 2016, 04:07:55 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
Is your real name Bobby Ewing?
Oh... And Congratulations!
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2016, 10:03:40 am
Quote from: Mrs Cudzo
Your magazine is really boring.
Post by: Ian H on 01 February, 2016, 10:40:36 am
Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
I think it was Sheila who once said it's a club magazine, it's meant to be boring.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2016, 11:10:04 am
I would hope it's meant to be interesting to club members!Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
I think it was Sheila who once said it's a club magazine, it's meant to be boring.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 February, 2016, 11:12:23 am
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 01 February, 2016, 11:48:26 am
I thought this edition was quite a good read.....Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
Post by: Morrisette on 01 February, 2016, 12:33:41 pm
Since I haven't been near an audax ride since March 2014 it's probably just as well.....
Post by: Wobbly on 01 February, 2016, 01:00:42 pm
If anyone thinks the content is not up to snuff then they merely have get off their arses and send in a quality submission.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 February, 2016, 01:17:48 pm
I think the magazine's generally excellent. :thumbsup:
If anyone thinks the content is not up to snuff then they merely have get off their arses and send in a quality submission.
:thumbsup:
I had a ton of stuff I wanted to submit but forgot :(
Post by: scampi on 01 February, 2016, 01:57:46 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2016, 02:19:27 pm
Her comment was simply her opinion, told to me, as someone who infrequently rides a bike and has no interest in riding it a long, long way. In fact I'm not sure whether it was meant as an opinion on Arrivee compared to Cycle, which also comes through the post every couple of months, and any other cycling magazines there may be around here, or to what extent she differentiates between them. I think mostly it was proof of what IanH said: a club magazine is by its nature not too interesting to people outside that club. I only posted it here as a "view from outside" in a jokey way. But now I've got to thinking about it, compared to, say, Cycle, never mind a commercial magazine, Arrivee is very wordy: articles consisting of text over several pages with relatively small illustrations, and long lists of names and events which are obviously of no interest at all to anyone who doesn't at least recognise a name or two. It's that very wordiness which allows the detail which gives it interest to those who are in the club. In fact, comparing it to the journal of a professional association Mrs Cudzo belongs to, Arrivee seems to have longer articles with denser text, possibly a slightly more restricted focus, but the illustrations are more relevant to their articles!I thought this edition was quite a good read.....Quote from: Mrs CudzoYour magazine is really boring.
Post by: hellymedic on 01 February, 2016, 02:25:20 pm
They aren't very interesting but warrant publication.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 February, 2016, 02:37:12 pm
That's nothing to do with the editors or owt, they can only work with what they're given, more a call to contributors to step yo' game up.
Post by: Peter on 01 February, 2016, 02:55:29 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 February, 2016, 03:27:37 pm
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
Post by: citoyen on 01 February, 2016, 04:23:53 pm
That's nothing to do with the editors or owt, they can only work with what they're given, more a call to contributors to step yo' game up.
The problem is that in the case of most contributors to Arrivée, you're asking people to understand technical requirements that are outside the realm of their experience. It would be great if someone who really knows about photography could put together some easy-to-follow guidelines for contributors on how to take a picture that will look good in print. That would be a useful thing to put in the mag.
I know the basics of the production process - converting pics to CMYK and making sure they're of a high enough resolution for print - but the technicalities of actually taking a good quality pic in the first place are, tbh, beyond me, and I don't do repro stuff. I'm better at the words side of things.
I'm just grateful to anyone who takes the time and trouble to submit reports and/or pictures. It's all good. Arrivée isn't a commercial publication and shouldn't aspire to be - it's really more of a highly polished newsletter and works well in that capacity. We have to accept its limitations.
Post by: hellymedic on 01 February, 2016, 05:06:08 pm
Post by: nolongertries on 01 February, 2016, 05:31:29 pm
I'm just grateful toanyoneeveryone who takes the time and trouble to submit reports and/or pictures. It's all good.
^ This...and I'm also very grateful to those involved in the editing, production and distribution side too!
Post by: Phil W on 01 February, 2016, 05:57:12 pm
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
You're out riding for many hours. It's possibly been raining, your camera is likely in a jersey pocket, you've probably been sweating. You see something and think that'd be a good picture. Sometimes you just take one as you'd like to capture something of the ride. You're riding a long way so the camera needs to be lightweight or perhaps it's your smartphone. So it's highly unlikely you have high quality camera on you. The lens is possibly smudged, and you don't carry a lens cloth on an Audax. You don't want to stop too long, you've got a ride to complete.
People rarely do a ride with thoughts in advance of writing an Arrivee article, so photos are rarely pre planned. Thoughts of writing an article come later. So articles are what they are, the photos are what they are, and very much incorporate the rider's or volunteer's view of that particular event at that time.
I very much appreciate that the magazine is for the members, and that we all have the opportunity to submit our ramblings and snaps of events. The more varied the authors the more interesting the content I think. I appreciate that I've been able to submit my articles and photos and had them published.
There are many members I meet on events whom I think would tell wonderful stories, if they were to write it down and submit it to Arrivee. But when I gently suggest this, they lack the self confidence in most cases. Maybe they've seen people criticise others articles as boring or poor photos and this puts them off.
I never think to bemoan the articles in the magazine. I love the variety of writing styles and different views of what we do. We all have the power to submit articles. I'd hope we'd support those who do, and encourage others as well.
I for one am enjoying this edition, as I have the ones before it. Well done to Sheila and the contributors.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 01 February, 2016, 06:03:20 pm
Was all ready to get indignant about the whereabouts of my magazine when I realise that I never actually renewed my membership :facepalm:
That made me sit up a pay attention.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 01 February, 2016, 07:02:13 pm
Post by: mattc on 01 February, 2016, 07:30:50 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 01 February, 2016, 08:27:21 pm
It's a club mag for what is still a small club. There are pictures of friends and the fun they are having.
Which is the way things should be IMO.
Arrivée is MUCH better than it was when I joined AUK.
You can't expect a snap of a rider after x00km to look like Vogue or match the gritty reportage of National Geographic.
Post by: Wobbly on 01 February, 2016, 08:32:26 pm
I can honestly say that Arrivee is the worst photography magazine I have ever bought.
;D
Post by: Arry-R on 01 February, 2016, 08:34:09 pm
Arrivée is privileged having Tim as one of its editors.
Fully agree with that.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 01 February, 2016, 09:53:45 pm
You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
There just weren't any other photographic materials available in North Carolina :facepalm:
Post by: Ian H on 01 February, 2016, 09:56:26 pm
It's the gritty, newsreel quality that adds atmosphere.You mean on top of riding, writing and actually submitting.....?
I'm not talking about the content of the photos, but the actual quality. Some photos look like they were taken on a hamburger.
There just weren't any other photographic materials available in North Carolina :facepalm:
Post by: Manotea on 01 February, 2016, 10:33:50 pm
Post by: Martin on 01 February, 2016, 10:39:01 pm
I appear to have woken from a coma, having dreamed the past 10 years. After all, I'm listed as having ridden my first 200 and SR in 2016 :D
In that case, you probably spent your coma as William.
I appear to have not done much in the AAA sphere either; I suspect this is what happens when 'bots rather than 'umans do the adding up
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2016, 10:43:10 pm
Mrs Cudzo says it was the pages of lists of names which struck her as boring. (Even understanding what they're for and being able to say "I know him! And her, and him and... ooh, that's me!" I can't see exactly why they're printed, but I suppose collecting things is sort of what makes lots of audaxers tick.)
Post by: Martin on 01 February, 2016, 10:55:37 pm
Mrs Cudzo says it was the pages of lists of names which struck her as boring. (Even understanding what they're for and being able to say "I know him! And her, and him and... ooh, that's me!" I can't see exactly why they're printed, but I suppose collecting things is sort of what makes lots of audaxers tick.)
Until a couple of years ago the lists of names came in a separate publication; as did the Calendar (so 2 separate publications) they decided wisely to save money by combining it in one;
I'd be happy to see all the lists and calendar go online (or print and post on demand for those without 'pooters **) but I still like the mag
** for a fee; insurance companies do; I've been a magazine editor and IMHO the only way to rationalise printed material to everyone is to either charge for it or threaten to withdraw it
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2016, 11:33:00 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 02 February, 2016, 09:44:13 am
In fact, comparing it to the journal of a professional association Mrs Cudzo belongs to, Arrivee seems to have longer articles with denser text, possibly a slightly more restricted focus, but the illustrations are more relevant to their articles!
This community might not be representative of long-distance cyclists in general, who tend to be far more interested in value for money than good design. A magazine with lots of white space would soon attract complaints.
I'd be happy to see all the lists and calendar go online ...
Breaking news - the calendar is online ::-)
I know what you mean, but I think everyone invoved still feels fully committed to the 'accessibility' principle. To be honest, downloading the calendar and processing it for print is a real chore that I suspect all the editors hate.
As to photos - there are basically three types - roadside 'event' photos taken by a non-participant who has set up at a particular location (I've done a lot of these in the last few years) -
event photos taken 'on the road' by participants, either from the saddle or by sprinting ahead, turning for a head-on pic, then busting a gut to catch up again (I used to do a lot of those when I was fit enough) -
and the ever-present 'control' photos which I personally find completely uninteresting.
The problem with the roadside ones is when you get a page-full that are taken in the same location with the same background - that really irritates me, they may individually all be good portraits but the photographer simply hasn't bothered to think about the 'bigger picture' and just move his feet a bit.
There's also a general distinction between 'picture of a cyclist with nice background' and 'scenic shot including cyclist(s)'. I have done several cover pics over the years, and they invariably fall into the latter category.
(http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a090.jpg) (http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a095.jpg)
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 02 February, 2016, 10:30:27 am
... 'scenic shot including cyclist(s)' ...
or even scenic shot without cyclists when there was a late change of route that the photographer didn't know about
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2016, 10:36:19 am
(http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a089.jpg)
It's very easy to get shots going uphill. A downhill shot of a fast-moving group always gets more points from me. That's Jim Gresty in the Yellow and Green at the back of the group.
Post by: Peter on 02 February, 2016, 05:28:39 pm
Seriously, COME ON, people!
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 02 February, 2016, 05:44:19 pm
That's nothing to do with the editors or owt, they can only work with what they're given, more a call to contributors to step yo' game up.
The problem is that in the case of most contributors to Arrivée, you're asking people to understand technical requirements that are outside the realm of their experience. It would be great if someone who really knows about photography could put together some easy-to-follow guidelines for contributors on how to take a picture that will look good in print. That would be a useful thing to put in the mag.
I know the basics of the production process - converting pics to CMYK and making sure they're of a high enough resolution for print - but the technicalities of actually taking a good quality pic in the first place are, tbh, beyond me, and I don't do repro stuff. I'm better at the words side of things.
I'm just grateful to anyone who takes the time and trouble to submit reports and/or pictures. It's all good. Arrivée isn't a commercial publication and shouldn't aspire to be - it's really more of a highly polished newsletter and works well in that capacity. We have to accept its limitations.
No man, nothing close to as complex as that, I just mean the quality of the images i.e. pixelated and that. We talked about this before! :)
I'll do a guideline piece for your issue if you want, how many words?
Post by: red marley on 02 February, 2016, 10:31:07 pm
Post by: Clemo on 03 February, 2016, 08:37:13 am
Post by: L CC on 03 February, 2016, 09:08:11 am
I loved the thistles and the telegraph poles but thought the one featuring Jim Gresty (anyone could tell that) had far too many VC167 jerseys in it.
That's not possible :)
Post by: jsabine on 03 February, 2016, 09:45:50 am
Having brain fade, mine hasn't arrived who do I go to, to ask for another ?? :thumbsup: :)
Membership @ audax dot uk, or pm Delph Cyclist on here.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 February, 2016, 10:08:17 am
I loved the thistles and the telegraph poles but thought the one featuring Jim Gresty (anyone could tell that) had far too many VC167 jerseys in it.
Seriously, COME ON, people!
I looked through the LEL 2005 video when Andy Corless mentioned that Jim was in it. I put those bits on the thread about him. I also spotted him in a sequence around Castle Howard. On the Arrivee cover there's a motorbike riding up the hill, that's Dave, my mate who films a lot of the arty stuff in our videos. He was crossing over with frankie at that point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgCsFYLzGwg
The long flat section from the Thorne start meant that bunches were still together through that section of the LEL, so it yielded a lot of good footage and shots from a relatively small field. The tendency towards hilly rides has meant that fields are very split up, and you have to cover a lot of ground to get a variety of shots, or stand in one place for a very long time.
Francis took a shot of me carrying two cameras, while being filmed by Dave Robinson in Coxwold.
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix/15bcd1dq_sun_jul_24_23_44_20_2005.jpg)
Post by: Clemo on 03 February, 2016, 10:11:31 am
Thanks for that.Having brain fade, mine hasn't arrived who do I go to, to ask for another ?? :thumbsup: :)
Membership @ audax dot uk, or pm Delph Cyclist on here.
Post by: Nethypete on 03 February, 2016, 12:18:42 pm
'Oppressed of Nethy Bridge'
Haven't checked all editions and if I'm wrong I know I'm going to have to eat a big slice of humble pie
Post by: hillbilly on 03 February, 2016, 12:53:32 pm
Arrivee is an absolute disgrace....totally discriminatory.....in 131 editions I can't recall a single recumbent on the front cover. Where are the Wobblies of Yesteryear?
'Oppressed of Nethy Bridge'
Haven't checked all editions and if I'm wrong I know I'm going to have to eat a big slice of humble pie
Edition 91.
Post by: frankly frankie on 03 February, 2016, 12:54:43 pm
Francis took a shot of me carrying two cameras, while being filmed by Dave Robinson in Coxwold.
I should say that Dave and I spent hours at that location and were careful to stay out of each other's shots - so this one was entirely intentional.
Street furniture - I tend to see it as a 'feature' - got no choice really.
So that 'green' cover shot at Castle Howard, was actually composed around quite a significant bit of street furniture - in fact I pre-focussed on it - which the Arrivee Editor subsequently cloned out!
(My permission was asked, and although I didn't agree with it, I didn't forbid it either - I'm not proud.)
The original version - which I prefer ...
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix/z4qi316i_sun_jul_24_09_43_37_2005.jpg)
Post by: Nethypete on 03 February, 2016, 12:58:49 pm
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Edition 91.
BUM ....on a train to Edinburgh so can't check ....feeling slightly less oppressed...more marginalised.
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2016, 01:06:23 pm
http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a091.jpg
Post by: jsabine on 03 February, 2016, 01:44:32 pm
feeling slightly less oppressed...more marginalised.
[...] it is hidden away at the back of a group of riders [...] on real bikes
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
Post by: marcusjb on 03 February, 2016, 01:50:42 pm
Maybe time for another appearance of a bent on the cover? (hopefully hidden away at the back again! ;) )
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 February, 2016, 02:20:04 pm
Very few photos get put on there these days, which is a shame, because it's a good way of archiving them. It didn't keep up with developments in broadband, so the pictures are quite small.
People imagined that links to photo hosting sites were the way ahead, and LEL 2009 follows that model. The result is that many of the links referred to no longer exist, and it's easier to find pictures from earlier events.
A picture in Arrivee is a good record to have, especially a cover or two. it might be a good idea to include all Arrivee photos in the photo gallery. That might also generate a few more submissions when it becomes realised that it's a good archive. I can click on my own name for a view of what I did in a given period.
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2016, 03:07:52 pm
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
;)
Post by: Nethypete on 03 February, 2016, 04:19:18 pm
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
;)
>:( >:( :facepalm:
Post by: hillbilly on 03 February, 2016, 04:22:37 pm
There, that should give you the oppressed feelings back again.
;)
>:( >:( :facepalm:
Don't take it lying down!
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2016, 04:32:48 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 03 February, 2016, 05:21:59 pm
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix/x2njvrdz_thu_feb_24_20_02_22_2005.jpg)
and here's a whole rash of 'em 20 years later -
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/11883426827-circ.jpg)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 February, 2016, 05:33:53 pm
I remember seeing it at PBP this year, in the bike park.
Post by: hillbilly on 03 February, 2016, 06:04:14 pm
Here's one I spotted on PBP '87 - totally-enclosed jobbie, ISTR you could hear him singing to himself as he trundled along -
A country sing-along?
(say it slowly....)
Post by: jsabine on 03 February, 2016, 06:09:44 pm
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 February, 2016, 07:17:42 pm
and here's a whole rash of 'em 20 years later -
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/11883426827-circ.jpg)
Still not finished, presumably??
Post by: Nethypete on 03 February, 2016, 08:17:33 pm
1. dissing someone is showing disrespect to them
2. being dissed is the act of being disconnected, by voice or by modem, from another party
MODERATORS
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 03 February, 2016, 08:28:36 pm
Post by: IanDG on 03 February, 2016, 08:36:54 pm
Post by: Phil W on 03 February, 2016, 08:51:47 pm
and here's a whole rash of 'em 20 years later -
(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/11883426827-circ.jpg)
Still not finished, presumably??
::-) ::-) ::-)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 February, 2016, 08:57:25 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3VCsr2x6Q
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 February, 2016, 09:38:01 pm
Are any of them riding fixed ??
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 03 February, 2016, 09:46:30 pm
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 February, 2016, 09:49:34 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 04 February, 2016, 09:53:37 am
the one at the top is a Leitra,
Well he chose a good year for it. 1987 was a solid wall of headwind for the first 600k, with the occasional very heavy shower to add - my knees felt like bags of marbles at Brest. I saw him several times and again at the finish, so his time would have been similar to ours, in the mid 70s. I don't know if he had more than one song, but I suppose in that little cabin it was a bit like singing in the shower. I also remember he had a little periscope arrangement for rear view, so if you were riding behind him you could see these two little eyes in a letterbox shape. It all seemed very novel back then.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 04 February, 2016, 04:33:41 pm
http://www.cyclorama.net/viewExhibitor.php?id=75
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2016, 10:34:28 am
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12642548_1686326511635137_2179992386740937189_n.jpg?oh=a94e6df2f7e2ffc7c5de19778e9660f5&oe=57296F5B)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12509617_1686326574968464_9128062312215133797_n.jpg?oh=15692622df0f5774448db16d7e08cc07&oe=572F034E)
Post by: marcusjb on 05 February, 2016, 10:58:04 am
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2016, 11:37:46 am
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Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2016, 12:32:37 pm
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.Wrong end of the ride. Or too much sleep.
(My hallucinations only extended to boys from the indian subcontinent on kick scooters in purple jerseys.)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12642548_1686326511635137_2179992386740937189_n.jpg?oh=a94e6df2f7e2ffc7c5de19778e9660f5&oe=57296F5B)
L-R (rear)
HK, Cathy Brown, bhoot, Denise Booth, fboab, Anne Learmonth.
Foreground: Virginia McGee
The artist has reversed my hand signal.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2016, 01:39:47 pm
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Post by: marcusjb on 05 February, 2016, 02:12:46 pm
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.Wrong end of the ride. Or too much sleep.
(My hallucinations only extended to boys from the indian subcontinent on kick scooters in purple jerseys.)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12642548_1686326511635137_2179992386740937189_n.jpg?oh=a94e6df2f7e2ffc7c5de19778e9660f5&oe=57296F5B)
L-R (rear)
HK, Cathy Brown, bhoot, Denise Booth, fboab, Anne Learmonth.
Foreground: Virginia McGee
The artist has reversed my hand signal.
;D
As an aside, I was impressed by the numbers of younger women riding PBP from countries like Japan, Taiwan etc.*
Younger is not a large percentage generally in AUK events and women are even smaller sub-set of that small part of our participants. I would dearly love to see that change.
*sadly the participants from Asia had a fairly high DNF rate overall, and certainly a lot of the riders I saw still heading to Brest over the Roc, well out of time, were women from Asia.
Post by: mmmmartin on 05 February, 2016, 02:31:54 pm
*sadly the participants from Asia had a fairly high DNF rate overallThe Indian lads who packed at Villaines-la-Juhel had been through a terrible night. They'd never before experienced riding in temperatures as low as 10 degrees centigrade.
Post by: Ian H on 05 February, 2016, 02:40:52 pm
*sadly the participants from Asia had a fairly high DNF rate overallThe Indian lads who packed at Villaines-la-Juhel had been through a terrible night. They'd never before experienced riding in temperatures as low as 10 degrees centigrade.
There was something on an Indian FB group about the amount of shit they'd had to go through to get visas to travel, which can't have made preparation any easier.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2016, 03:11:00 pm
I got quite a few interviews from Asian riders, I might write them up for Arrivee. It might be useful for LEL.
Post by: Jacques on 05 February, 2016, 03:37:57 pm
5 Degrees C is the lowest temperature I've seen quoted. It was the hills as well as the temperatures which caused problems, along with the lack of vegetarian options.
I got quite a few interviews from Asian riders, I might write them up for Arrivee. It might be useful for LEL.
Hills, rain, chance of low temperatures in summer and few options other than meat or fish dishes in restaurants.
If I had to choose somewhere in France that ticked all these options high on my list would be Bretagne.
I suspect the LEL route could prove similar? Better warn them this time?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2016, 03:50:44 pm
One of the oddities is that facilities are better in the remoter areas. Sizun on PBP and Alston on LEL.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 February, 2016, 04:51:17 pm
Post by: 3peaker on 06 February, 2016, 03:37:32 pm
Arrivée is privileged having Tim as one of its editors.A Club is only as good as the sum of those who contribute to its functioning. Concur Tim is one of those who keeps us all riding along the right lanes.
Post by: Redlight on 07 February, 2016, 08:45:23 pm
I saw that PBP cartoon, though I did not remember too many japanese ladies with unfeasibly large breasts and short skirts riding. All very odd.
That's because you went haring off at great speed. Those of us hanging around at the back got to see PBP life in its many and varied forms.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 04 March, 2016, 09:32:39 am
(Please bare in mind the point of this post is that if I make it, it'll upload fine next time I try :facepalm:)
Post by: Peter on 04 March, 2016, 10:04:18 am
Post by: citoyen on 04 March, 2016, 10:58:41 am
Might be easier to send stuff directly to the relevant editor by Wetransfer or somesuch. I'm happy for people to share stuff with me via Dropbox or Google Drive as well. I think Tim likes to receive stuff by Dropbox if you're sending it for his attention, but worth checking with him.
Post by: frankly frankie on 04 March, 2016, 11:30:22 am
There's no real difference between Mediafire and Dropbox or Google Drive, if, after uploading, you visit the Mediafire site and right-click for a link, just like you would for Dropbox. For example, here is a link to the most recently-uploaded file (a small jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/cjovhtddb388y9u/The%20Van%20of%20Delights.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/view/cjovhtddb388y9u/The%20Van%20of%20Delights.jpg)
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 04 March, 2016, 12:07:14 pm
Tbh, I'm not a fan of Mediafire - not least because editors don't get automatically notified when stuff is uploaded and not everyone remembers to drop the editor an email to let them know... It's also quite restrictive on file sizes.
Might be easier to send stuff directly to the relevant editor by Wetransfer or somesuch. I'm happy for people to share stuff with me via Dropbox or Google Drive as well. I think Tim likes to receive stuff by Dropbox if you're sending it for his attention, but worth checking with him.
I think this is the new plan. I've managed to upload everything (i.e. it says completed), but there's nothing showing in the online folder.
Post by: citoyen on 04 March, 2016, 01:10:15 pm
I used it recently (though not via the AUK interface) for some very big files and it was fine.
OK, I'll take your word for it! I know some people have had problems in the past but maybe that's to do with other factors than Mediafire itself.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 07 March, 2016, 12:04:37 pm
Post by: IanDG on 28 April, 2016, 12:38:42 pm
Great front cover and article Deano, thanks :thumbsup:
and a great article on MacNasty too ;D
Post by: hellymedic on 28 April, 2016, 12:47:01 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 28 April, 2016, 02:21:11 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 28 April, 2016, 04:05:49 pm
Post by: paulworthington53 on 28 April, 2016, 04:20:20 pm
Glanced at the McNasty article. What is a "drum up spot?" I've heard them mentioned before in a previous issue but have no idea what one is, not why it would require a "bonfire"...
Post by: hellymedic on 28 April, 2016, 04:32:59 pm
Our Scottish brethren perform this al fresco in the café-poor wilds of Barbaria.
Post by: Banjo on 28 April, 2016, 04:33:33 pm
At least I think it is me , definitely my bike but the guy riding it looks a bit fatter and older.....
Had to chuckle at McNasties contribution. ;D
Post by: madcow on 28 April, 2016, 04:34:38 pm
Long gone south of the border due to the laws of trespass, theft and elf and safety being more rigorously applied .
Some people get upset if you so much as sit on the grass nowadays.
Post by: Deano on 28 April, 2016, 04:37:44 pm
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5626/22404621342_13ed5b6697_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/A8PxmS)
Well it has in the Outer Hebrides :)
Great front cover and article Deano, thanks :thumbsup:
and a great article on MacNasty too ;D
Mine isn't here yet :)
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 28 April, 2016, 04:57:24 pm
To drum up -An ancient Scottish tradition of lighting a real fire and boiling a kettle for real tea.
Have you any light to shed on the Scottish tradition for putting out a blaze? I'm assuming it's the obvious technique involving second hand beer, tea, or indeed any fluid that has been especially filtered through any available Kidneys. I'm sorry to say that the delights of Creamola Foam is one that has eluded me.
Post by: Ian H on 28 April, 2016, 05:49:03 pm
Postman Mike woke me up from my dreaded lurgi induced snooze to issue mine unto me.
Glanced at the McNasty article. What is a "drum up spot?" I've heard them mentioned before in a previous issue but have no idea what one is, not why it would require a "bonfire"...
Drum-up (http://www.owenphilipson.com/blog/2010/09/12/george-berwick-500km-on-a-broken-frame/)
Post by: Graeme on 28 April, 2016, 07:15:39 pm
Post by: bodach on 28 April, 2016, 08:05:14 pm
Post by: Redlight on 28 April, 2016, 08:10:57 pm
I'm amazed that he remembered our names, let alone so much detail about the ride. I'd forgotten about that broken chain incident, having buried large parts of that day into a deep part of my subconscious to be accessed only through psychotherapy.
What he hasn't included was the five minutes we all spent wandering around in the dark after he had repaired the broken chain, looking for the rider's lost glove.
Post by: menthel on 29 April, 2016, 10:20:20 am
Post by: madcow on 29 April, 2016, 11:28:18 am
Just skimmed through the mag whilst drinking my coffee. Looks like a really good mix of articles and photos. Well done to all involved.
Post by: Bender on 29 April, 2016, 01:31:06 pm
-B.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 April, 2016, 01:33:18 pm
Got mine today. Really enjoyed it apart from all McNasty's lies about poor old me. Cremola Foam was very popular in the sixties and a spoonful would give plain water just the right amount of flavour.Flavour of what though?
Post by: frankly frankie on 29 April, 2016, 01:48:47 pm
By the time you have finished drinking and talking , the fire will be almost out .
Talking? All those people he writes about are just inside Georgie's head, you know.
Post by: damerell on 03 May, 2016, 01:21:49 pm
Have you any light to shed on the Scottish tradition for putting out a blaze?
Scottish weather.
Post by: Feanor on 03 May, 2016, 05:35:07 pm
Got mine today. Really enjoyed it apart from all McNasty's lies about poor old me. Cremola Foam was very popular in the sixties and a spoonful would give plain water just the right amount of flavour.Flavour of what though?
It's quite indescribable. A very synthetic fruity flavour.
The closest I could think of might be those Parma Violet sweets, crushed up into a powder, with some added effervescence.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 03 May, 2016, 07:03:02 pm
Sticking with Scottishisms in that article, what is a "shilpit wee nyaff"?
I suppose a shilpit weeny must be someone who obsessively reduces the amount of shilpits on their bike, so when you say "shilpit weeny aff" you are expressing your (old skool audaxer) disdain for such new-fangled minimalism... :)
Post by: Ian H on 03 May, 2016, 07:26:27 pm
Sticking with Scottishisms in that article, what is a "shilpit wee nyaff"?
I suppose a shilpit weeny must be someone who obsessively reduces the amount of shilpits on their bike, so when you say "shilpit weeny aff" you are expressing your (old skool audaxer) disdain for such new-fangled minimalism... :)
George is not a tall man. As for the rest, I suspect the only clues are in the photos.
Post by: Feanor on 03 May, 2016, 07:39:13 pm
Sticking with Scottishisms in that article, what is a "shilpit wee nyaff"?
A small, insignificant person.
Post by: Drone on 04 May, 2016, 08:56:08 am
Post by: Ian H on 04 May, 2016, 09:57:02 am
Post by: sg37409 on 04 May, 2016, 10:35:34 am
Have you any light to shed on the Scottish tradition for putting out a blaze?
Scottish weather.
P1ssing on it.
Post by: citoyen on 22 July, 2016, 12:56:52 pm
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Post by: tonyh on 22 July, 2016, 05:15:42 pm
Post by: Peter on 22 July, 2016, 11:57:24 pm
Post by: Tim Hall on 04 August, 2016, 11:06:36 pm
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 08 August, 2016, 11:56:14 am
Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
I am more concerned that he isn't correctly equipped - he doesn't have his AUK mudguard sticker
Post by: citoyen on 08 August, 2016, 12:40:46 pm
Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Cheers!
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Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
Maybe he's the one who should be worried...
Mike - Hopefully the updated info about stickers should ensure he is able to rectify that oversight easily!
Post by: DrMekon on 09 August, 2016, 01:16:31 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 09 August, 2016, 05:07:11 pm
It's on another bike, on the mudguard, obvs.Good issue citoyen. Nice work.
Should I be worried that I recognised mmmartin brice from his photo on the back cover?
I am more concerned that he isn't correctly equipped - he doesn't have his AUK mudguard sticker
Post by: alotronic on 09 August, 2016, 06:34:46 pm
Particularly 'enjoyed' Phil W's tale of Wild Atlantic Way - always good to read someone being honest about their experiences, good and bad. That one was a good story to keep in the 'misery bank' when you need to talk yourself out of a dark place. Now I can say to myself at least I haven't got Schemer's Neck with 100km to go and am not doing my best to kill myself by missing the road! A very dark and scary place indeed!
Post by: Ian H on 09 August, 2016, 10:15:00 pm
Post by: trumpet on 11 August, 2016, 06:01:36 pm
Post by: citoyen on 11 August, 2016, 06:41:56 pm
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Should be with you by now. Mike (Delph Cyclist otp) is the person to contact.
In the meantime, you can read the digital edition here:
https://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arr133_lr
Post by: Sabine on 11 August, 2016, 07:49:57 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 12 August, 2016, 09:39:03 am
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Should be with you by now. Mike (Delph Cyclist otp) is the person to contact.
In the meantime, you can read the digital edition here:
https://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arr133_lr
I've got no-one called Trumpet on the mailing list.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 August, 2016, 10:45:35 am
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 12 August, 2016, 10:51:16 am
I've got no-one called Trumpet on the mailing list.
Mike - how do I order another copy? I thought there was a link on the aukweb site, but I can't seem to find it.
Post by: trumpet on 12 August, 2016, 05:58:11 pm
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I've got no-one called Trumpet on the mailing list.
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PM sent with my details..
Post by: trumpet on 12 August, 2016, 06:03:24 pm
Hmmm. My copy hasn't arrived yet.. Does delivery to the north take longer?
Should be with you by now. Mike (Delph Cyclist otp) is the person to contact.
In the meantime, you can read the digital edition here:
https://issuu.com/audax-uk/docs/arr133_lr
Thanks for the info/link. :)
Post by: damerell on 16 August, 2016, 01:52:13 pm
Particularly 'enjoyed' Phil W's tale of Wild Atlantic Way
So did I, very much. Such a pity to have to pack so close to the finish.
Post by: Phil W on 17 August, 2016, 09:56:23 pm
Particularly 'enjoyed' Phil W's tale of Wild Atlantic Way
So did I, very much. Such a pity to have to pack so close to the finish.
I'd make the same decision in the same circumstances again, no matter how tantalising close the finish might seem. The pain, the discomfort, even the tears and emotional roller coaster, to a certain extent you can get through. The moment you start to make bad decisions concerning your own safety; I think you've stepped over a line that should always be respected.
Post by: Tim Hall on 18 August, 2016, 11:00:00 am
Just wondering if the Titus Halliwell in the Belgian 600 is the Sergeant Titus?
Certainly is.
Post by: wilkyboy on 10 November, 2016, 01:04:32 pm
Now just need to find time to read the words ::-)
Post by: citoyen on 10 November, 2016, 01:19:44 pm
Post by: wilkyboy on 10 November, 2016, 01:42:29 pm
Nice looking issue. Good job, Peter.
Second that — nice one, Peter :thumbsup:
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 10 November, 2016, 01:46:51 pm
Encouragement to get well and be on the bike before too long as I miss my long distance friends.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 10 November, 2016, 04:18:49 pm
Get your Xmas stocking fillers here (http://tinyurl.com/hgrr48g) - all proceeds to RoadPeace!
Post by: Mad Jack on 10 November, 2016, 10:18:41 pm
Post by: Martin on 10 November, 2016, 10:58:19 pm
perhaps the saddest news is that Steve Snook is stepping down as the AAA Man; a million thanks Steve for all your hard work over the years towards the awards and the tangible motivation and enthusiasm you have provided to so many who have aimed for the many and varied awards; you will be an extremely hard act to follow and I hope your successor can do justice to what you have achieved and to the many riders you have inspired
Onwards and UpwAAArds ! three cheers for Steve!
Post by: Kim on 10 November, 2016, 11:38:13 pm
[1] For physioterrorism purposes. I'm not mad.
Post by: bikey-mikey on 10 November, 2016, 11:38:54 pm
no paper copy but seen it online;
perhaps the saddest news is that Steve Snook is stepping down as the AAA Man; a million thanks Steve for all your hard work over the years towards the awards and the tangible motivation and enthusiasm you have provided to so many who have aimed for the many and varied awards; you will be an extremely hard act to follow and I hope your successor can do justice to what you have achieved and to the many riders you have inspired
Onwards and UpwAAArds ! three cheers for Steve!
My sentiments entirely - well done Steve, and thanks for all the help and encouragement in the last few years !!
Post by: hillbilly on 11 November, 2016, 04:54:00 pm
I hope AUK recognises his efforts somehow (he won the helper award in 2010, so something even more "exceptional" could be considered, such as renaming one of the altitude award trophies after him - realise this is unusual when someone is alive, but why not allow him to bask in the glory now?)
Post by: TigaSefi on 12 November, 2016, 11:14:16 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 12 November, 2016, 11:31:00 pm
Post by: Deano on 12 November, 2016, 11:41:51 pm
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.
Wait until February.
I'm pleased to see that the back of my head makes two appearances. Thanks Tim ;D
Post by: fussballclub on 13 November, 2016, 05:39:33 am
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.
Wait until February.
I'm pleased to see that the back of my head makes two appearances. Thanks Tim ;D
You do ride a lot but do tell me this is a warning about Central please. Had a dubel on Friday and a tripel yesterday £7.10.
That WAWAWA DOO; very enjoyable!
Post by: rob on 13 November, 2016, 01:30:28 pm
Thanks, wilkyboy.
Post by: scampi on 14 November, 2016, 01:38:50 pm
:thumbsup:
Post by: Deano on 14 November, 2016, 02:13:30 pm
You do ride a lot but do tell me this is a warning about Central please. Had a dubel on Friday and a tripel yesterday £7.10.
That WAWAWA DOO; very enjoyable!
Are you sure it was just the two beers, Ludwig? ;D
Post by: yanner on 14 November, 2016, 03:36:35 pm
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
Post by: hellymedic on 14 November, 2016, 05:49:06 pm
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
Mine was delivered (Outer London) on Saturday I think - I was away over the weekend at the AUK Reunion. Others received theirs earlier.
Post by: drgannet on 14 November, 2016, 06:10:21 pm
After too long a wait, another fine Peter Marshall article!
:thumbsup:
Absolutely! It was Peter's writing that was partially. responsible for getting me into Audax 15 years ago
Post by: alfapete on 14 November, 2016, 07:42:29 pm
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
If you joined on 19th October your membership pack including Arrivee was posted 2nd class on 10th November - hopefully with you any day now.
Mind you, to quote the Membership Secretary, I don't have a Yanner on my list!
Post by: tom_e on 14 November, 2016, 09:41:32 pm
Post by: Peter on 15 November, 2016, 01:06:22 am
Thanks again
Peter
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 November, 2016, 10:04:29 am
Post by: yanner on 15 November, 2016, 12:39:31 pm
When do the paper versions get delivered?
I've only just joined (19th Oct, haven't had membership stuff yet) but would like something to read!
If you joined on 19th October your membership pack including Arrivee was posted 2nd class on 10th November - hopefully with you any day now.
Mind you, to quote the Membership Secretary, I don't have a Yanner on my list!
Thanks, got it this morning.
Post by: jamesld8 on 15 November, 2016, 06:48:27 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 15 November, 2016, 06:54:30 pm
I received two address sheets a while back but MemSec mad sure AN Other received his copy.
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2016, 06:58:23 pm
I discovered those articles after I started, but still enjoyed them.After too long a wait, another fine Peter Marshall article!
:thumbsup:
Absolutely! It was Peter's writing that was partially. responsible for getting me into Audax 15 years ago
This one is a lot more fun, well worth the wait (and I haven't finished it yet!). Nice to read something from a (fairly) local rider too.
Post by: jamesld8 on 15 November, 2016, 08:10:06 pm
I hope your address sheet hasn't ended up in AN Other's wrapper.
I received two address sheets a while back but MemSec mad sure AN Other received his copy.
I`ll contact MW at end week if nothing arrives
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 February, 2017, 11:24:49 am
What a gentleman. There's Bairdy ploughing a bow-wave through the water to save Denise's velo from getting wet(ter).
Post by: tonyh on 06 February, 2017, 11:32:44 am
Post by: madcow on 06 February, 2017, 03:09:00 pm
Wait until February.
All becomes clear. After 2 x PBP and many events since joining AUK in whenever, it's a photo taken within a few miles of where I was brung up, on a ride that started in the town of my birth that gives me my 15 minutes of fame.
I knew it was worth wearing the appropriate jersey for the ride.
Nice article Graeme, but don't make it sound too good or there won't be any room for the locals. ;)
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 06 February, 2017, 03:22:10 pm
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.Yup. This time, in a takeaway. :facepalm:
Post by: Revolution9 on 06 February, 2017, 03:56:52 pm
Every time I'm in the magazine, I'm eating. I am Audax UKs answer to Brad Pitt.Yup. This time, in a takeaway. :facepalm:
Brad Pita bread?
IGMC
Post by: Phil W on 06 February, 2017, 04:26:31 pm
Post by: offcumden on 06 February, 2017, 04:28:23 pm
Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
+1
Post by: Whitedown Man on 07 February, 2017, 07:23:49 am
Post by: Clemo on 07 February, 2017, 12:45:11 pm
He's in there twice :thumbsup:
What a gentleman. There's Bairdy ploughing a bow-wave through the water to save Denise's velo from getting wet(ter).
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2017, 01:22:00 pm
Three times at least.He's in there twice :thumbsup:
What a gentleman. There's Bairdy ploughing a bow-wave through the water to save Denise's velo from getting wet(ter).
Also in Arrivée many times, every issue I think, is the VC167 jersey. It's rather a good looking shirt with its pattern of yellow diamonds on a blue background; but why is Deano's yellow with blue diamonds? Is this supposed to make him stand out (yellow for danger!) or is it simply a recent redesign? Is the shirt reversible on the Dukla Prague away kit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukla_Prague) principle? Or is it just optional? And why doesn't anyone else have one?
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2017, 02:42:44 pm
+ another and no doubt, many more!Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
+1
Over THIRTY YEARS of editing Arrivée, from a small newsletter to a proper, full-colour A4 magazine.
Thank you, Sheila!
Post by: Ian H on 07 February, 2017, 02:43:41 pm
+ another and no doubt, many more!Thanks to Sheila for all the years she's given to Arrivee and Audax. Enjoy the warm winter miles.
+1
Over THIRTY YEARS of editing Arrivée, from a small newsletter to a proper, full-colour A4 magazine.
Thank you, Sheila!
With a little background help from FF.
Post by: L CC on 07 February, 2017, 03:14:53 pm
Also in Arrivée many times, every issue I think, is the VC167 jersey. It's rather a good looking shirt with its pattern of yellow diamonds on a blue background; but why is Deano's yellow with blue diamonds? Is this supposed to make him stand out (yellow for danger!) or is it simply a recent redesign? Is the shirt reversible on the Dukla Prague away kit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukla_Prague) principle? Or is it just optional? And why doesn't anyone else have one?It's our away kit for special occasions. Dean, Rob and I hadn't coordinated when we planned to wear it - I think I finished in the Maillot jaune, whereas Deano started in it.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2017, 03:33:21 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 07 February, 2017, 03:46:07 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2017, 07:24:49 pm
We might not have met if my brother had not married a Southport lass on 6 February 1994, giving me the opportunity to broaden my horizons by staying with his mother-in-law.
I did Southport Settle Southport in 1994 and had a great ride.
I don't know if I'll go back to Southport now; brother's MiL is also sadly no more.
RIP PT & MC.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 07 February, 2017, 09:54:42 pm
Also in Arrivée many times, every issue I think, is the VC167 jersey. It's rather a good looking shirt with its pattern of yellow diamonds on a blue background; but why is Deano's yellow with blue diamonds? Is this supposed to make him stand out (yellow for danger!) or is it simply a recent redesign? Is the shirt reversible on the Dukla Prague away kit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukla_Prague) principle? Or is it just optional? And why doesn't anyone else have one?
I've got one. As a member of VC167, Saddleworth Clarion, Peak Audax, and Audax UK, I always have to decide, before an event, just which club jersey to wear today. I've also got a whole stack of cafe loyalty cards. Does this suggest I haven't quite understood this "loyalty" thing?
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 07 February, 2017, 10:00:02 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 07 February, 2017, 10:06:48 pm
Post by: Deano on 07 February, 2017, 10:09:32 pm
Away kit for special occasions! :thumbsup: Does this mean AUK needs an away points rule? :o
Yellow for domestiques (or so boab told me).
Post by: Deano on 07 February, 2017, 10:11:46 pm
Shoutout to the bloke on Facebook who referred to me as 'The 15 yr old in the funky cap'. :thumbsup:
Mine hasn't arrivéed yet - I thought he meant the photo of young Daniel (14) ;D
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 07 February, 2017, 11:27:28 pm
Sad to read Paddy Timson's obituary.
I did Southport Settle Southport in 1994 and had a great ride.
RIP PT & MC.
I think I rode part of that event. I didn't fancy going to Southport, so I joined in Preston, at Ribble Cycles. I broke 8 spokes, and scrounged spares off Paddy and Nev Holgate at Slaidburn. I'd not entered, but gave them a couple of quid for goodwill. Nev's in New Zealand now.
Post by: frankly frankie on 08 February, 2017, 02:39:01 pm
Or perhaps it's gone downhill since Nev moved to NZ ?
Over THIRTY YEARS of editing Arrivée, from a small newsletter to a proper, full-colour A4 magazine.With a little background help from FF.
Thank you, Sheila!
Very little, indeed. Just looking at three major steps in production values, during Sheila's time:
the first edition to be mastered on a computer, in late 1988 - Sheila and I were not living together at that time. (Arrivee was produced on an Atari ST :o for 5 years)
the change from A5 to A4 - in 1997 - was very much driven by Tim Wainwright who had come on board as co-editor the previous year.
the change to full-colour production - in 2004 - was a fine example of technological determinism - quite simply, it became cheaper to print in colour than not. As it happened, again the first full-colour edition was Tim's.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 February, 2017, 03:06:44 pm
You risk giving a wrong impression of Southport - that oasis of gentility, afternoon teas and crepuscular promenades.
Or perhaps it's gone downhill since Nev moved to NZ ?
There's the odd slight up and down on the way to Southport. But in general it's pancake flat moss land, then the salt marshes on Marine Drive. That way you avoid all the traffic lights.
There are a lot of miles to be clocked up on the flat road to Preston and on to the A6. I like that picture of Paddy on Kirkstone Pass, that would be the Southport - Lakeland - Southport 300.
Post by: hellymedic on 08 February, 2017, 05:35:02 pm
You risk giving a wrong impression of Southport - that oasis of gentility, afternoon teas and crepuscular promenades.
Or perhaps it's gone downhill since Nev moved to NZ ?
There's the odd slight up and down on the way to Southport. But in general it's pancake flat moss land, then the salt marshes on Marine Drive. That way you avoid all the traffic lights.
There are a lot of miles to be clocked up on the flat road to Preston and on to the A6. I like that picture of Paddy on Kirkstone Pass, that would be the Southport - Lakeland - Southport 300.
Veering OT
Southport struck me as a declining, genteel resort town, rather similar to partner's Ageing Parent's Christchurch in Dorset.
Brother's wedding was in Posh Hotel on Lord Street - bang on the coast but a mile from the Water.
Southport has a very long foreshore.
Post by: madcow on 08 February, 2017, 05:54:52 pm
It has a smart new(ish) hotel AND a casino.
https://www.gentingcasino.com/casinos/casino/genting-club-southport/ (https://www.gentingcasino.com/casinos/casino/genting-club-southport/)
Post by: mattc on 08 February, 2017, 06:48:02 pm
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 09 February, 2017, 08:45:10 am
It's been nice to see some general non-ride-report articles in recent issues (e.g. the women-in-ultra-endurance article, and the "interview" about the AUK web-server). :thumbsup:This edition feels much more 'rounded' - the article you mention, the Canadian Rockies trip, all mixed in with the usual stuff has made this an excellent read. It's perhaps the first edition I've sat down and really got into for a while.
Tapatalk puts this signature here, not me!
Post by: TigaSefi on 09 February, 2017, 03:30:04 pm
Post by: Graeme on 09 February, 2017, 04:21:07 pm
Post by: Peter on 09 February, 2017, 08:11:03 pm
Thanks
Peter
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 February, 2017, 09:24:20 am
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 10 February, 2017, 03:09:53 pm
... my copy hasn't arrived yet...
No, because I haven't sent it yet. For some reason* your renewal missed my deadline for creating the mailing list, but you are my list for a follow up mailing. That will happen when I get a moment to stuff Arrivees into envelopes.
* delayed cheque in the post.
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 11 February, 2017, 12:46:05 am
Nice seeing my name on Page 8!I only made page 12, working on page 8 and page 13 for next year.
Post by: Peter on 11 February, 2017, 01:53:07 am
... my copy hasn't arrived yet...
No, because I haven't sent it yet. For some reason* your renewal missed my deadline for creating the mailing list, but you are my list for a follow up mailing. That will happen when I get a moment to stuff Arrivees into envelopes.
* delayed cheque in the post.
No sweat, Mike - it'll be good to get it whenever!
Post by: Revellinho on 11 February, 2017, 02:43:34 pm
Post by: Deano on 11 February, 2017, 03:18:21 pm
I found Francis's piece about AUK history particularly interesting, as I've been leafing through some old copies of Coureur/Sporting Cyclist magazine, and there's an account of the 1962 PBP by Charles Horrent. I've scanned it and shared it below:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57044735/PBP%202.pdf
(hopefully the link works!)
There's an interesting coda at the end where the editor enquired about the rules under which British riders could enter - the editor was one Jock Wadley, who, Francis tells us, went on to ride PBP himself in the seventies.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 February, 2017, 03:46:38 pm
Mine's here now, and I'm really enjoying it.
I found Francis's piece about AUK history particularly interesting, as I've been leafing through some old copies of Coureur/Sporting Cyclist magazine, and there's an account of the 1962 PBP by Charles Horrent. I've scanned it and shared it below:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57044735/PBP%202.pdf
(hopefully the link works!)
There's an interesting coda at the end where the editor enquired about the rules under which British riders could enter - the editor was one Jock Wadley, who, Francis tells us, went on to ride PBP himself in the seventies.
Jock Wadley rode in 1971. Harry Aspden, the author of that piece rode in 1975, and was a founder member of AUK. He also rode the Paris-Harrogate in 1978. http://www.aukweb.net/results/1999/ph78.php The Sporting Cyclist article is on the Randonneurs BC site. http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/stories/61_harry-aspden-in-sporting-cyclist.html
My Dad knew Harry through North Lancs Clarion, and introduced me to him at a Dover Fellowship meeting. Harry died in 2003. He was firmly embedded in the Clarion. http://trivelox.cambrianmoons.com/clarion-club-family.htm
There are some of his papers at Warwick. http://mrc-catalogue.warwick.ac.uk/records/NCA/1/2/1
Post by: Deano on 11 February, 2017, 04:11:57 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 February, 2017, 04:17:53 pm
http://audax.dotadmin.com/pbp-1975
Those lists are quite handy, they've helped me sort out why I'm credited with three rather than four PBPs. ACP used my middle name in 1999.
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4271 PEACOCK Andrew VE UK CENT. LANCS RC 85h54
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 February, 2017, 05:50:56 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 February, 2017, 05:57:45 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 February, 2017, 06:12:26 pm
Their current convention is Mrs Jane MaidenName-MarriedName
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 February, 2017, 06:17:20 pm
Post by: jsabine on 11 February, 2017, 10:28:04 pm
There's sometimes confusion caused by those unfamiliar with the French convention of Surname first.
I'd noticed that. Seeing as I have a French (well, generally continental, really) women's forename as my surname, I'm careful about it.1
I had it as a toss-up whether you or LWAB would comment first, so well done ESL :)
LWaB was at the AUK AGM. Admittedly, retiring to the pub afterwards doesn't appear to have blunted his quill.
1: Many years ago, when I was an impressionable 15 year old, a large and well-armed East German border guard felt it appropriate to check whether, given my name, I was sure whether I was a boy or a girl. Seeing as he'd obviously never seen a burgundy UK passport before, and had had to take it off me so that the corporal down the other end of the train carriage (who I assume had actually read the briefing paper) could check it, I didn't feel able to do anything other than giggle uneasily.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 February, 2017, 10:39:10 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 February, 2017, 10:40:43 pm
I actually quite like it. It's a reminder that history is sometimes fragmented.
Please let me get this corrected. It'll be like an empty tooth socket for me otherwise.
Post by: mattc on 12 February, 2017, 08:59:28 am
How do you feel about misspelling of "Phoenix"? After 5 years of asking, I decided it didn't irritate me enough to pursue it further ...I actually quite like it. It's a reminder that history is sometimes fragmented.
Please let me get this corrected. It'll be like an empty tooth socket for me otherwise.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 February, 2017, 09:01:35 am
Post by: Martin on 13 February, 2017, 11:56:44 am
Post by: Alismed on 15 February, 2017, 07:23:24 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 15 February, 2017, 07:34:14 pm
He's a kind, helpful chap.
Send him a personal message with your real name, AUK Membership Number and address...
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 17 February, 2017, 11:40:41 am
delph cyclist of this parish is the AUK Membership Secretary ...
Well, occasionally of this parish. The AUK Forum is a better way of ensuring my attention for AUK matters. I've been in touch with Alismed and I should be able to provide total satisfaction on this matter shortly.
Post by: Cycling Redemption on 12 May, 2017, 06:59:58 am
Post by: alfapete on 12 May, 2017, 08:11:36 am
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 12 May, 2017, 04:42:33 pm
New printers rather late in the day, I hear. Hopefully not too long now...
Any moment now! They have been printed, so it's all down to Royal Mail. What could possibly go wrong? When you recall that we recently lost Tim as one of our editors, and that Sheila retired as editor after completing the previous edition, you will appreciate that there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes getting this one out. It didn't help that our existing Printer suddenly went into receivership either so we had to find a replacement for that.
Post by: citoyen on 12 May, 2017, 05:10:15 pm
New printers rather late in the day, I hear. Hopefully not too long now...
Any moment now! They have been printed, so it's all down to Royal Mail. What could possibly go wrong? When you recall that we recently lost Tim as one of our editors, and that Sheila retired as editor after completing the previous edition, you will appreciate that there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes getting this one out. It didn't help that our existing Printer suddenly went into receivership either so we had to find a replacement for that.
Yes, big credit to Sheila for stepping into the breach and coming out of retirement temporarily. Also to Ged who luckily had the printer contacts to make it happen.
Post by: Whitedown Man on 14 May, 2017, 05:34:25 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 May, 2017, 05:58:03 pm
Post by: psyclist on 14 May, 2017, 06:51:17 pm
I particularly liked the little feature on 8 year old Toby's first 100km in February, completing the Knights Templars and Cross event just in time.
One question if anybody reading this is familiar with OCD. On p15 there is mention of 3 riders who completed the Cingles triple ascent of Mont Ventoux in 24 hours, but I thought the OCD rules have a limit of only one ascent of each summit per day. Is there a special dispensation for the Cingles? I should hope so.
Post by: Ian H on 15 May, 2017, 01:10:58 pm
It didn't help that our existing Printer suddenly went into receivership either so we had to find a replacement for that.
To be fair, they'd been on the edge for years. Not that there are many printers who aren't.
Post by: rob on 15 May, 2017, 01:37:48 pm
I found an old memory stick last weekend that had a few photos that Tim has taken of me with Rob junior in 2007 at an El Supremo control in the Ashdown Forest. Got a bit emotional seeing them.
Post by: Whitedown Man on 15 May, 2017, 01:48:09 pm
+1
After reading that article I found myself planning a London - Land's End - John O'Groats - London route. Luckily Mrs WDM caught me in the act in the nick of time and removed the keyboard from my hands sharp-ish.
Post by: tonyh on 15 May, 2017, 02:25:06 pm
Many thanks to the Editors and all the contributors - yet another grand job done.
Post by: hellymedic on 15 May, 2017, 04:09:57 pm
Post by: alotronic on 16 May, 2017, 10:25:28 am
Lots of Big Rides in this one, I wonder if we need to make sure that some bloggers submit more rides? There are a good few of us that blog regularly... and it's still a nice thing to get Arrive and see something you have written in it and that it will stay in the record of the organisation....
Post by: Ruthie on 16 May, 2017, 12:05:23 pm
Post by: citoyen on 16 May, 2017, 12:17:18 pm
So has citoyen left the staff?
No! Sheila valiantly stepped into the breach to put together much of this issue despite having only just retired, Peter also contributed, and Ged put the finishing touches to it and sorted out the printer. I did very little, to be honest, just been too busy with the day job lately, but I'll be picking up the reins for the August issue.
Circumstances will dictate some changes in the way Arrivée is put together in future (hopefully to everyone's benefit), but I'll still be involved.
Post by: Dave_C on 16 May, 2017, 02:18:48 pm
Being based in the furthest northern reaches (nearly), I am removed from most of what happens in the south, and only learned of Tim's death through this quarter's Arrivee.
Thoughts go out to Tim's family and friends.
Dave C
Post by: Martin on 17 May, 2017, 12:40:51 am
Post by: Planet X Paul on 17 May, 2017, 10:25:32 am
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 17 May, 2017, 11:07:39 am
I'm still waiting for my Arrivée to arrivé. ** folds arms and taps foot impatiently ** :)
There is no-one with that name on the Mailing List. PM if you want me to check the address
Post by: Planet X Paul on 17 May, 2017, 03:47:36 pm
Post by: Cycling Redemption on 19 August, 2017, 12:10:50 pm
Post by: Rupert on 19 August, 2017, 12:23:13 pm
Post by: Peter on 19 August, 2017, 12:30:56 pm
Post by: citoyen on 19 August, 2017, 01:08:50 pm
Post by: tonyh on 19 August, 2017, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: Cycling Redemption on 19 August, 2017, 04:42:56 pm
Good to know it's on the way, thank you for all of your work on this issue.
Post by: Graeme on 11 September, 2017, 11:40:28 am
I really like the new design. Clearly a lot of work has gone into this and I love the way the words and pictures woven together. I'm beginning to set about the task of reading, and I've got a train journey to York for a post-LEL drinks session tonight, so this gives me something to read for the next hour.
Thank you to David Kenning and Ged Lennox for such a wonderful looking edition. Ivo's photos are brilliant too.
Post by: Jethro on 11 September, 2017, 11:57:48 am
Post by: LiamFitz on 11 September, 2017, 12:06:39 pm
One tiny point... I had virtually nothing to do with the organisation of LEL- I got involved late in the day and as well as trying to get a bit of media attention (largely badly) I was a underling in the kitchens at St Ives.
But, in other news, I love the Texan tale!!!
Post by: Wobbly on 11 September, 2017, 12:39:33 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 11 September, 2017, 01:00:49 pm
Post by: psyclist on 11 September, 2017, 01:29:36 pm
Is that Oscar's Dad on p55?
That is indeed Oscar's Dad, bright and breezy in the ACME top.
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 September, 2017, 04:17:22 pm
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 11 September, 2017, 04:28:10 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 September, 2017, 06:10:00 pm
Love the new cover graphic, brings it into the 21st century
Post by: trumpet on 11 September, 2017, 08:17:30 pm
Post by: dave d on 11 September, 2017, 09:24:57 pm
Lots of Big Rides in this one, I wonder if we need to make sure that some bloggers submit more rides? There are a good few of us that blog regularly... and it's still a nice thing to get Arrive and see something you have written in it and that it will stay in the record of the organisation....
Thanks for the suggestion which prompted me to submit the BCM article that appeared in this issue.
I echo the comments by others that the new design is great and thanks to those who put the work in.
I bet Ritchie T(r)out will be delighted ;D
Oh dear. It was correct in the draft. Put the blame on automatic spellchecks.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 September, 2017, 09:34:14 pm
Lots of Big Rides in this one, I wonder if we need to make sure that some bloggers submit more rides? There are a good few of us that blog regularly... and it's still a nice thing to get Arrive and see something you have written in it and that it will stay in the record of the organisation....
Thanks for the suggestion which prompted me to submit the BCM article that appeared in this issue.
I echo the comments by others that the new design is great and thanks to those who put the work in.
I bet Ritchie T(r)out will be delighted ;D
Oh dear. It was correct in the draft. Put the blame on automatic spellchecks.
Good article, I read it with interest as I am doing the BCM next year for the first time... interestingly 2 weeks after a 400, just like you, possibly the same LWL 400?
Post by: GrahamG on 12 September, 2017, 08:24:26 am
Post by: dave d on 12 September, 2017, 10:17:11 am
Good article, I read it with interest as I am doing the BCM next year for the first time... interestingly 2 weeks after a 400, just like you, possibly the same LWL 400?
Correct - we did have some doubts about a first 600 a fortnight after only our second 400. However there was a certain attraction in pairing a ride from (near) home to Chepstow with another from Chepstow to North Wales.
Post by: Karla on 12 September, 2017, 10:50:26 am
Post by: paul851 on 12 September, 2017, 11:04:50 am
Paul
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 September, 2017, 11:13:51 am
Good article, I read it with interest as I am doing the BCM next year for the first time... interestingly 2 weeks after a 400, just like you, possibly the same LWL 400?
Correct - we did have some doubts about a first 600 a fortnight after only our second 400. However there was a certain attraction in pairing a ride from (near) home to Chepstow with another from Chepstow to North Wales.
It's the same reason that attracted me to pair the two rides :-)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 September, 2017, 11:15:10 am
An even better magazine than usual which must have been very hard to pull off , well done all :thumbsup: plus I see AUK is now going to be a CTT affiliated club so no need for me to join a local club if I fancy doing TT's 8)
Paul
I don't think it is cast in stone yet... probably more news at the AGM... but definitively good news and it might boost membership, seeing it is cheaper than joining a club and you get a lot more for the money
Post by: alwyn on 12 September, 2017, 11:17:50 am
Well done! Douze points! 10/10! etc
Post by: lastant on 12 September, 2017, 11:28:28 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 September, 2017, 12:28:39 pm
New look is very, very professional - well done to the team, and look forward to seeing it evolve.
Good to see you here... I built you a set of wheels a few years back... 2012 I think... in Richmond, remember? I still have your LEJOG book :-)
Post by: BeMoreMike on 20 September, 2017, 10:45:40 am
I especially enjoyed Peter Lewis's "nerd's approach to LEL"....i'm the one with the broken derailleur on day 1. You've really helped me make sense of where i lost all my time on day 2; while you thought leaving Pocklington at 06:30 was too late, i was still there at 09:30 speaking to bike shops in York, Darlington, Carlisle...i even considered going back to Hull !!
I've scanned plenty of other peoples blogs on LEL, but reading all of your report has made me slightly envious of what i missed (i packed southbound in Alston), but even more determined to have another go in 2021.
Cheers.
Ben.
Post by: spearmint wino on 20 September, 2017, 12:07:50 pm
Post by: stevie63 on 20 September, 2017, 12:16:50 pm
Is it possible to buy the current edition? I've just joined AUK but not expecting to get the mag until membership kicks in for 2018When I joined they sent me a copy of the latest arrivee with my membership. I joined round this time last year so you should get one.
Post by: jsabine on 20 September, 2017, 01:10:43 pm
As stevie says, AFAIK you should get a copy of the current Arrivee once your details find their way to the top of the membership team's pile.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 20 September, 2017, 02:18:11 pm
Is that Oscar's Dad on p55?
That is indeed Oscar's Dad, bright and breezy in the ACME top.
:thumbsup:
Post by: whosatthewheel on 20 September, 2017, 02:24:54 pm
Beware the new-style Arrivée. The centrefold picture is horrific...
White tyres... what were you thinking? ;D ;D
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 20 September, 2017, 08:32:52 pm
Is it possible to buy the current edition? I've just joined AUK but not expecting to get the mag until membership kicks in for 2018
I've just checked and we haven't sent a copy of the latest Arrivee to a Mr S Wino. PM me and I'll see if we've sent it to you under a pseudonym
Post by: psyclist on 30 November, 2017, 01:01:45 pm
Post by: Oscar's dad on 30 November, 2017, 01:18:55 pm
Post by: BeMoreMike on 30 November, 2017, 01:19:22 pm
I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.The front cover of this edition seems to put across AUK's response to any debate.
Another great looking magazine, especially more LEL features....It's always much more enjoyable reading printed reports than onscreen articles.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 30 November, 2017, 01:47:06 pm
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 30 November, 2017, 02:17:56 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 30 November, 2017, 04:18:24 pm
Bugger, I'm away tonight in Leeds and left before the post. I'm missing out on some bedtime reading >:(
Best photos of baggy lycra ever! ;)
Post by: hellymedic on 30 November, 2017, 04:42:14 pm
Will have to wait...
Post by: KM on 30 November, 2017, 05:25:51 pm
Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
Post by: mattc on 30 November, 2017, 05:30:37 pm
Whilst respecting your choice, I am completely against compulsion in this matter.Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 November, 2017, 06:02:05 pm
"the remains of Mary's helmet that saved her from serious injury"
mattc......how dare they not listen to you?!?!
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 30 November, 2017, 09:48:49 pm
pg 55. A photo of a broken helmet, with the caption:Eurgh.
"the remains of Mary's helmet that saved her from serious injury"
EDIT - I read the first sentence and can only assume it's someone taking the piss.
Post by: marylogic on 01 December, 2017, 07:51:05 am
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 December, 2017, 08:17:24 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 December, 2017, 08:32:06 am
Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
Hangers break due to a crash... but anything can break due to a crash... why not carrying a spare set of forks then?
Hangers also break due to poor use of the shifters... to which there is no cure, only prevention. I find that those among us who began cycling in the era of downtube shifters seem to be able to avoid smashing their drivetrains every time the gradient goes up. I think it's something to do with not being able to shift with DTs while standing on the pedals and therefore having to do it before the road gets steep, whereas those who began cycling recently, seem to think you can shift gears at any time, under any load
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 01 December, 2017, 08:42:27 am
In order to write a good 'opposing view' you'd have to write an anti-helmet article - most aren't 'anti-helmet' they are 'anti-compulsion'. In order to take the article to task point by point then it would be a case of trading anecdotes - which becomes personal, and that's not what Audax or Arrivee is about.
I seriously hope the editor has got a Right of Reply article already lined up, but either way, it can't address the original mistake.
(I'm not trying to stray into 'Lift the Lid' territory - I'm writing about the advisability of that article)
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 01 December, 2017, 08:51:13 am
I really think giving that helmet article the degree of prominence it has was a serious error of judgement. I'm not saying that helmet issues aren't a valid discussion point, but that article was the wrong one.Agreed.
In order to write a good 'opposing view' you'd have to write an anti-helmet article - most aren't 'anti-helmet' they are 'anti-compulsion'. In order to take the article to task point by point then it would be a case of trading anecdotes - which becomes personal, and that's not what Audax or Arrivee is about.
I seriously hope the editor has got a Right of Reply article already lined up, but either way, it can't address the original mistake.
(I'm not trying to stray into 'Lift the Lid' territory - I'm writing about the advisability of that article)
This article has really fucked me off like. Not sure I want to be associated with such wank.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 December, 2017, 08:59:48 am
If it was down to me there'd be a Readers' Wives section, and of course a Reader's Husbands, Partners, Boyfriends, Girlfriends and Gender-Fluids section because I'm inclusive and tolerant.
Post by: marylogic on 01 December, 2017, 09:08:38 am
I haven't got my copy of Arrivee yet so I don't know how my article was presented.
I just wrote a "wot I done on my audax" article which happened to involve a crash at the end and I submitted the picture of my helmet because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't intended to be a pro-helmet article where n=1
For the record I am anti- compulsion too.
I'll wait to get my copy before commenting further
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 01 December, 2017, 09:12:21 am
I've had a mech hanger fail only once in my life. This occurred when a carrier bag got jammed in the rear mech. When it failed it took with it the rear mech and the right side seat stay. Carrying a spare hanger seems a tad pointless in this situation.Arrivée has just arrived. Good spread of articles, including different angles on LEL from riders and volunteers perspectives. I'm sure one article in particular will cause a bit of debate.
Aye. I know it’s a matter of personal conscience, but speaking personally I would urge every cyclist to carry a spare gear hanger ;)
Post by: BeMoreMike on 01 December, 2017, 09:27:58 am
Oh dear.
I haven't got my copy of Arrivee yet so I don't know how my article was presented.
I just wrote a "wot I done on my audax" article which happened to involve a crash at the end and I submitted the picture of my helmet because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't intended to be a pro-helmet article where n=1
For the record I am anti- compulsion too.
I'll wait to get my copy before commenting further
It's not your article that people are getting steamed up about, yours is a brilliant, really well written account.
There's another feature discussing the merits of helmets and questioning AUK's "promotion" of not wearing one, referring to the front cover of the previous edition....which personally I think is a load of tosh !!*
*not the cover picture, that's a stunning photo....but the suggestion that Arrivee should ban all pictures containing anyone riding a bike without a helmet.
IMO, that'd be the start of the slippery slope towards compulsory wearing at all events, probably soon to be followed by wearing Hi-Viz etc.
Post by: marylogic on 01 December, 2017, 09:36:12 am
Post by: Si S on 01 December, 2017, 09:45:20 am
Oh dear.
I haven't got my copy of Arrivee yet so I don't know how my article was presented.
I just wrote a "wot I done on my audax" article which happened to involve a crash at the end and I submitted the picture of my helmet because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't intended to be a pro-helmet article where n=1
For the record I am anti- compulsion too.
I'll wait to get my copy before commenting further
It's not your article that's the issue.
I find it disappointing that a club magazine gives such prominence to an article that seeks to exclude part of the membership from the pages of the magazine. It's a slippery slope.
I'm not saying that helmet issues aren't a valid discussion point
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but I also note lots of pictures of bikes on LEL that don't meet the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations*. Is arrivee and AUK condoning this flagrant breach of the law by using such photo's? I look forward to that discussion.
Agreed.
This article has really fucked me off like. Not sure I want to be associated with such wank.
I did ask myself the question if it had landed on the doormat a week earlier, would I have renewed my membership? :-\
*Unless of course all those riders are fitting their pedal reflectors every evening and removing them in the morning.
X-post with BeMoreMike
Post by: citoyen on 01 December, 2017, 10:21:08 am
*not the cover picture, that's a stunning photo....but the suggestion that Arrivee should ban all pictures containing anyone riding a bike without a helmet.
IMO, that'd be the start of the slippery slope towards compulsory wearing at all events, probably soon to be followed by wearing Hi-Viz etc.
I've not seen the new issue yet so can't comment on the article specifically, but on the point of pictures depicting riders without helmets, I have noted that the vast majority of pictures submitted for inclusion these days are of helmeted riders. Personally, I have no interest in making helmet wearing in pictures an editorial policy of Arrivée and would resist that as far as it is in my power, but it needs more non-helmeted riders to submit pictures to ensure it doesn't become a de facto position.
Perhaps there ought to be a disclaimer in the mag to state that views expressed in articles are not necessarily the views of the editor or of the organisation.
Post by: citoyen on 01 December, 2017, 10:24:12 am
I seriously hope the editor has got a Right of Reply article already lined up...
Feel free to submit a response.
Post by: mattc on 01 December, 2017, 10:37:06 am
mattc......how dare they not listen to you?!?!I can only assume they are people who don't know about my PhD in gear-hanger failures. Would you like a copy?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 December, 2017, 10:58:45 am
I'm all for spicing up Arrivée.Yebbut you'll need leak-proof containers to stop the gender fluids sticking the pages together. Or is that the Rogerzilla special edition?
If it was down to me there'd be a Readers' Wives section, and of course a Reader's Husbands, Partners, Boyfriends, Girlfriends and Gender-Fluids section because I'm inclusive and tolerant.
Post by: grams on 01 December, 2017, 11:08:05 am
I've had a mech hanger fail only once in my life. This occurred when a carrier bag got jammed in the rear mech. When it failed it took with it the rear mech and the right side seat stay. Carrying a spare hanger seems a tad pointless in this situation.
My last one was caused by slipping on ice and landing hard on the right side of the bike. The one before that was caused by someone crashing into the back of the bike during a pileup after I made the mistake of joining a large chaotic ad hoc group during an audax. A spare hanger would have been a godsend in either case.
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My cycling club recently declared helmets compulsory and it was not a pretty sight - it boiled down to "I get uncomfortable when I see an unhelmeted head therefore everyone must comply," except with much more yelling, screaming and acrimony, and several lost members. It's not a can of worms that should be opened casually.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 December, 2017, 11:48:32 am
It’s like when people start banging on about cycling facilities and how we should be like Holland. Let’s just ride our chuffing bikes on the roads we already have, wearing what the hell we want, astride whatever bike we fancy.
I submitted an article which centred around not taking audax too seriously. I haven’t seen the latest issue but it doesn’t sound like it’s been published which is a shame, perhaps it’ll make the next issue, it sounds like some light relief is called for.
Post by: Lee Killestein on 01 December, 2017, 01:08:15 pm
Spot on.
It’s like when people start banging on about cycling facilities and how we should be like Holland. Let’s just ride our chuffing bikes on the roads we already have, wearing what the hell we want, astride whatever bike we fancy.
I submitted an article which centred around not taking audax too seriously. I haven’t seen the latest issue but it doesn’t sound like it’s been published which is a shame, perhaps it’ll make the next issue, it sounds like some light relief is called for.
This ^^
I couldn't agree more. Let's just ride our bikes, that's the most important thing. We shouldn't take audax too seriously, it's just a bike ride! One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
Right, I need to start packing my stuff up for the Tewkesbury 200 in the morning! :thumbsup:
Post by: mattc on 01 December, 2017, 01:18:04 pm
My copy has just arrived...Ditto! :)
The helmet piece is clearly marked 'Opinion' and and takes up just 1.5 pages, of which a substantial panel is the response from Chris, which remains admirably neutral and refuses to adopt a 'position'. There's also an unhelmeted rider featured prominently on the cover, which you could take as an editorial response to the piece if you like.
I think I'm agreeing with you there. I still think that on balance it was a big mistake to publish this letter, but the overall presentation is a lot better than it might have been.
(I'm tempted to submit a number of absurd opinion pieces and see if Arrivee feel obliged to publish the valid opinion of a member.)
I hope AUK never need to assume the position!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2017, 01:20:48 pm
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
It is interesting to note that PBP and virtually all BRMs and LRMs in other countries require reflective vests or suchlike to be worn at night. Several countries don't allow tribars at all. The magic seems to continue.
I am a fan of choice in this instance.
Post by: mattc on 01 December, 2017, 01:26:33 pm
I think it's one of the sh1ter features of PBP, but they can justify it by French road law (IIRC), so I put up with it.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 December, 2017, 01:27:45 pm
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
It is interesting to note that PBP and virtually all BRMs and LRMs in other countries require reflective vests or suchlike to be worn at night at night. Several countries don't allow tribars at all. The magic seems to continue.
I am a fan of choice in this instance.
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Post by: citoyen on 01 December, 2017, 01:31:13 pm
I think I'm agreeing with you there. I still think that on balance it was a big mistake to publish this letter, but the overall presentation is a lot better than it might have been.
:thumbsup:
Personally, I might have taken a slightly different approach to the piece but I wasn't involved in putting together this issue and I respect the decisions of those who were.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 December, 2017, 01:44:23 pm
Rather more important, to my mind, is Marcia's piece on women in Audax, which gets more than double the space of the helmet piece. Earlier, I was going to comment that the presence or otherwise of helmets in pictures is far less of a problem than the fact that the vast majority of pictures are populated exclusively by middle aged white men, so I'm pleased to see that matter being addressed directly.Yep. Adding to the diversity, there are even photos of riders... I have to be careful how I say this, but I can't think of a way round it, so:
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2017, 01:57:01 pm
I've ridden 3 different overseas BRMs. Only PBP had any clothing requirements. At night the groups were turned from a marvellous international meld into armies of near-identical robots. Shame.
Interesting, which countries?
Virtually all of the overseas BRMs that I've ridden have required reflective vests to be worn at night. Usually the countries' ACP agreements require the use of reflective vests at night e.g. https://www.kiwirandonneurs.org.nz/rides/rules/brm-rules
The ACP's Article 6 requires reflective vests at night.
http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/322%20-%20Rules%20of%20BRM%20Worldwide.html
The PBP effect is mostly because a reflective vest is part of the entry fee. We saw the same thing at Mille Miglia, which issued their own cooler reflective vest. In other countries, there is usually a range of reflective vests/ bandoliers, etc. in use at night.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2017, 02:22:02 pm
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 01 December, 2017, 02:41:01 pm
It is a mark of AUK's Britishness that we (as an organisation) shouldn't give a flying fuck what people ride or what they wear, how they are lit up or whether they glow in the dark - long may this continue.
Post by: Lee Killestein on 01 December, 2017, 02:59:13 pm
One of the most attractive aspects of audax for me has been that you can ride whichever kind of bike you have, dress in whatever clothes you have and as long as you're friendly you'll make lots of friends. If people are allowed to start dictating what you can and can't ride/wear a lot of the magic of audax will be gone!
It is interesting to note that PBP and virtually all BRMs and LRMs in other countries require reflective vests or suchlike to be worn at night. Several countries don't allow tribars at all. The magic seems to continue.
I am a fan of choice in this instance.
I've yet to 'dip my toe' into any overseas events. Obviously, where's there's a legal requirement or a restriction set by the organiser it needs to be followed. The magic I allude to is in the freedom from the judgement of others. I'm sure that does indeed continue wherever in the world audax exists!
Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 December, 2017, 04:23:09 pm
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
In Italy ANY organised bicycle event needs a full medical (including ECG)... this includes for instance "The Eroica" which is in essence a brevet, although not sanctioned by Audax.
How Audax Italy manages to get away with the law is not clear to me, probably by being under the radar
Medicals are a massive hassle, but the intentions are good. Whether a medical can prevent a heart attack is debateable, but I also find the disclaimer policy just a way to save money.
It is quite clear to me that my GP doesn't even know who I am, let alone care about me of what I do... which is fair enough, but...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2017, 05:05:00 pm
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
In Italy ANY organised bicycle event needs a full medical (including ECG)... this includes for instance "The Eroica" which is in essence a brevet, although not sanctioned by Audax.
I rode the long course l'Eroica in 2013 and I think I provided a certificate but did not take an ECG.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 01 December, 2017, 05:27:33 pm
Most countries require medical certificates to ride any organised bicycle event. In the UK it's not necessary and replaced with a disclaimer. I would not call this "freedom" but rather a state that has zero interest in our health and wellbeing and all it cares about is NOT being sued.
Most European countries may require medical certificates for sportives but generally not for brevets. I've ridden brevets in 14 countries to date and so far I've only ever had to produce a medical certificate for PBP (not required in modern times). I believe that I am a better judge of whether I am capable of finishing a brevet than an overworked GP.
In Italy ANY organised bicycle event needs a full medical (including ECG)... this includes for instance "The Eroica" which is in essence a brevet, although not sanctioned by Audax.
I rode the long course l'Eroica in 2013 and I think I provided a certificate but did not take an ECG.
Yep, the law is 2014 or 2015... I did the Eroica in 2011 with no medical at all!!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2017, 05:38:19 pm
Apparently the Italian law was 2015 and for l'Eroica the medical certificate must be dated after 02 October. What a pain! I don't think I'll be doing any Italian gran fondos requiring that sort of faff.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 December, 2017, 06:43:57 pm
So the best plan is to turn Audax into a bastion of commercialised conformity, so that the retro-merchants can hark back to a golden age. Rapha can then sell us what we had, at a premium.
Post by: Grandad on 01 December, 2017, 10:23:09 pm
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those who began cycling recently, seem to think you can shift gears at any time, under any loadNovice son-in-law did just this when using my 10 speed bike. Cost me a new cassette and chain :(
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 01 December, 2017, 10:39:11 pm
Quotethose who began cycling recently, seem to think you can shift gears at any time, under any loadNovice son-in-law did just this when using my 10 speed bike. Cost me a new cassette and chain :(
I have to admit there have been times when on encountering a hill with much more gradient than expected, I was given the option of mashing the gears to get to a lower one, or falling off. I decided the gears needed to earn their stripes.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 December, 2017, 10:52:15 pm
https://vimeo.com/245452293
Edit; it's Ede.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 December, 2017, 09:32:03 am
He was a vet and dealt with sheep a lot in Queensland and NSW, one of the reasons there are sheep references in my films, as he and Sandy were always keen to have a DVD of the event. It was our in-joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pGGfpdHh4
Post by: damerell on 02 December, 2017, 03:24:03 pm
I've not seen the new issue yet so can't comment on the article specifically, but on the point of pictures depicting riders without helmets, I have noted that the vast majority of pictures submitted for inclusion these days are of helmeted riders.
My impression when I used to ride audax regularly was that the faster riders are much more likely to wear them, presumably because many of them also race. I also guess that photographers set up somewhere when they expect riders to arrive and clear off when they've got as many photos as they want, making it unlikely they'll capture bareheaded lanternes rouge like me. Hence, most photos have them.
I do think the article was extremely unfortunate (particularly, given that there seems to be a shortage of material for Arrivee, why not run a counterpiece pointing out the all too familiar errors in it?) but I hope the cover photo means the editor is not actually going to take this nonsense seriously.
Post by: arabella on 04 December, 2017, 09:42:01 am
I was disappointed by having to see a topless picture on p49**. Why is male toplessness more acceptable than female toplessness (or vice versa)? It's on the same continuum that ends up saying women should show only their hands (and possibly their eyes qv yashmak vs burkha) but it's OK for men to show face/head etc (and in the same vein bring back 1930s bathing suits).
Either that or as a country we should acquire a more european attitude towards nudity, otherwise we're being, imo, inconsistent.
** yes I do realise a top was most likely worn for the actual riding
Otherwise I've enjoyed what I've read so far. It almost made me want to go to america, and do some more hilly rides.
Post by: mmmmartin on 04 December, 2017, 11:01:45 am
having to see a topless picture ........Not seen Arrivee yet as I am away from home for a week. Was looking forward to reading it, as always, but am now in a tumescent frenzy at the more-than-usually-exciting prospect of seeing the mag. And actually touching it......
male toplessness ..........
female toplessness .............
a more european attitude towards nudity..............
Sorry, as you were.
Post by: roger on 04 December, 2017, 08:55:25 pm
"Hats off to Dom for starting this debate..." The wind in ones hair does appeal in some cases.
Roger.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 05 December, 2017, 10:24:33 am
Apparently the Italian law was 2015 and for l'Eroica the medical certificate must be dated after 02 October.
But for Eroica, a medical certificate that is at least 30 years old would be acceptable surely?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 December, 2017, 11:52:52 am
Copied back here after being buried elsewhere, and edited :Perhaps it's an audax initiation rite: you have to be willing to appear in public in vaguely embarrassing clothes or lack of clothes. The bloke on p49 managed to combine both in one photo.
I was disappointed by having to see a topless picture on p49**. Why is male toplessness more acceptable than female toplessness (or vice versa)? It's on the same continuum that ends up saying women should show only their hands (and possibly their eyes qv yashmak vs burkha) but it's OK for men to show face/head etc (and in the same vein bring back 1930s bathing suits).
Either that or as a country we should acquire a more european attitude towards nudity, otherwise we're being, imo, inconsistent.
** yes I do realise a top was most likely worn for the actual riding
Otherwise I've enjoyed what I've read so far. It almost made me want to go to america, and do some more hilly rides.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 05 December, 2017, 12:18:45 pm
Apparently the Italian law was 2015 and for l'Eroica the medical certificate must be dated after 02 October.
But for Eroica, a medical certificate that is at least 30 years old would be acceptable surely?
Only if rolled up in a leather strap for toe clip pedals
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 05 December, 2017, 12:42:33 pm
I very much doubt I'll be submitting anything to Arrivée in the forseeable.
Post by: hellymedic on 05 December, 2017, 01:08:28 pm
The other thousands in AUK might delight and benefit from your contribution...
Post by: LiamFitz on 05 December, 2017, 01:10:21 pm
Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh?
Whilst it's natural that a community won't always see eye to eye, it would be good if we could up the levels of respect shown to each other.
Liam
Post by: Divingrob on 05 December, 2017, 01:13:53 pm
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh?
Whilst it's natural that a community won't always see eye to eye, it would be good if we could up the levels of respect shown to each other.
Liam
Post by: Ivan on 05 December, 2017, 01:41:28 pm
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
The retirement of Hummers as moderator?
Post by: mmmmartin on 05 December, 2017, 01:44:06 pm
a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikesThis is odd, because on an actual event with actual riders on actual bikes on actual roads, I've always, without exception, found everyone to be really friendly.
Post by: hellymedic on 05 December, 2017, 01:46:25 pm
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh?
Whilst it's natural that a community won't always see eye to eye, it would be good if we could up the levels of respect shown to each other.
Liam
There have been parts of yacf that have resorted to name-calling and abuse from fairly early since inception. These are mainly actively managed.
Post by: LiamFitz on 05 December, 2017, 01:58:15 pm
a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikesThis is odd, because on an actual event with actual riders on actual bikes on actual roads, I've always, without exception, found everyone to be really friendly.
Yep - when you meet people in person they are invariably excellent.
Post by: Greenbank on 05 December, 2017, 02:17:06 pm
As yacf membership grows there will be more people who haven't met up with at least some others.
(Some long standing people are just objectionable though, no matter how many times they meet up.)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 05 December, 2017, 02:20:59 pm
Post by: Jaded on 05 December, 2017, 02:24:53 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 05 December, 2017, 02:32:45 pm
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory... To be honest, an association with 6,000 members which promotes organised events with 50-100 participants (with one exception) is almost invisible and has zero mediatic power... so if one day helmets will become compulsory by law, it will not be because of AUK pushing for it.
On the other hand, if helmets will become law, then there is nothing AUK can do to stop that happening... so you can all chill out, do as you think it's best, follow the law whatever that is and stop getting agitated about some otherwordly realities that might or might never happen and more importantly you can't do anything about.
Equally, I don't see the point of someone waving his hands to persuade AUK to pursue a helmet only coverage... the law is clear and the law does not impose helmets... end of the aggro
Post by: Whitedown Man on 05 December, 2017, 02:34:04 pm
I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
Post by: hellymedic on 05 December, 2017, 02:47:56 pm
I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
<yawn>
In the spirit of excellence, they wish to minimise spreading muddy water onto other folk and their homes, floors and furniture.
Which seems fair to me.
Post by: mattc on 05 December, 2017, 02:49:08 pm
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
Post by: Martin on 05 December, 2017, 02:56:27 pm
Post by: Veloman on 05 December, 2017, 03:01:48 pm
I very much doubt I'll be submitting anything to Arrivée in the forseeable.
I think that's a shame as I have enjoyed reading your articles. Please don't let one article giving a particular opinion put you off submitting something as your work is appreciated and AUK need that type of support.
Post by: Veloman on 05 December, 2017, 03:08:12 pm
.... Why can't people on here just be nice? In the last year comments seem to have got increasingly aggressive, combative and snide. And when people disagree, do they really have to be so harsh? .....
I think that is the nature of internet forums where keyboard warriors thrive and bravado, coupled to point scoring, is often supported by a smiley emoji from others. I also agree overall with what you have posted, but not sure about the time scale. Perhaps behaviour is worse when the weather discourages cycling and as we are approaching the 'cabin fever' period ...............!
Post by: Whitedown Man on 05 December, 2017, 03:39:53 pm
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
But why do only a minority of events require mudguards? It’s not difficult to find two events in the same part of the country at the same time of the year, one with mandatory mudguards, one without. Are all of the Orgs who don’t insist on mudguards unfussy / unmannerly / unhygienic? Or is there something else at play?
Post by: Martin on 05 December, 2017, 03:54:38 pm
I know of a very well respected organiser who pulled all their events following an extremely muddy winter event where mudguards were not used (and I suspect muddy shoes walked into the control at the finish too)
Post by: Jaded on 05 December, 2017, 03:55:53 pm
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory... To be honest, an association with 6,000 members which promotes organised events with 50-100 participants (with one exception) is almost invisible and has zero mediatic power... so if one day helmets will become compulsory by law, it will not be because of AUK pushing for it.
On the other hand, if helmets will become law, then there is nothing AUK can do to stop that happening... so you can all chill out, do as you think it's best, follow the law whatever that is and stop getting agitated about some otherwordly realities that might or might never happen and more importantly you can't do anything about.
Equally, I don't see the point of someone waving his hands to persuade AUK to pursue a helmet only coverage... the law is clear and the law does not impose helmets... end of the aggro
Maybe helmets might become law. Maybe that might be because there is a lot of inaccurate stuff out there about helmets and maybe cycling is all the worse for it. Maybe it’s worth cycling countering ignorance, belligerence and subterfuge.
Post by: Somnolent on 05 December, 2017, 03:57:24 pm
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
But why do only a minority of events require mudguards? It’s not difficult to find two events in the same part of the country at the same time of the year, one with mandatory mudguards, one without. Are all of the Orgs who don’t insist on mudguards unfussy / unmannerly / unhygienic? Or is there something else at play?
Well it could be the different nature of the controls on the two events. Or just the individual organiser's perceptions. In just the same way as you might be expected to take your shoes off entering some folks' houses, but not others.
As a rider I can choose not to ride a mudguard-obligatory event** - and in just the same way I can choose not to visit a friend's house because I know they'll want me to remove shoes, and I've a hole in my sock which I would rather not display. :facepalm:
**Or even a non-AUK event where helmets are required.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 December, 2017, 04:01:09 pm
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUK
Not on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
[In Time Trialling land, the equivalent is probably "No warming up on rollers". Sounds utterly bizarre, but the rule is usually deployed with good reason :P )
Post by: Kim on 05 December, 2017, 05:07:21 pm
I do wonder if there was an exact moment when YACF shifted from being a friendly place where people who rode bikes talked about riding bikes to being a noticeboard for ranting and name calling.
It's always been both, at least for as long as I've known it. :-\
Things always get a bit heated over the winter when people have less cycling to do or talk about, so more time gets devoted to subjects where we have less in common, and a few resort to trolling (in the original starting-arguments-on-the-internet-for-their-own-sake sense, not the generic term for online abuse that it's become) for entertainment.
Post by: Ivo on 05 December, 2017, 05:10:58 pm
Besides, neither wearing or not wearing a helmet is the issue but the helmet debate. The debate which allows certain forces in poltics and governments to channell the debate away from the real issue, car driver behaviour and road design to the kit the cyclists wear.
Post by: Kim on 05 December, 2017, 05:15:02 pm
Post by: nolongertries on 05 December, 2017, 05:17:18 pm
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
Post by: frankly frankie on 05 December, 2017, 06:12:17 pm
I'm going to guess that you think such rules are a bad thing ... but I would suggest Mudguard Rules are in a different category to road laws; it's more a fussiness/manners/hygiene thing. Like asking visitors to take their shoes off at the front door. Or keeping the noise down late at night to keep the neighbours happy.I don't understand why people feel so strongly about helmets... one way or the other... wear it if you want to, don't wear it if you don't want to. There is no law (yet) and Audax UK sticks to what is the law, on everything, not just helmets... brakes, aero bars and such... what ever is road legal, it is game for AUKNot on everything. Some Orgs still insist on deciding on riders’ behalves whether or not to ride with mudguards.
But in point of fact AUK don't have a rule about keeping the noise down at night - even though it might be a very good idea if they did. Mudguards are (in some people's eyes) a matter of common decency in which case we don't need rules about them or indeed to mention them at all. The mudguard provision is a complete aberration in the AUK regs.
... I took the photo in question. The author's viewpoint of banning photo's of riders without helmets would be a blatant limitation to the photographer's task of a good and fair documentation of the event. A rule like this would make me step down from the role of event photographer as I would be forced to censor my pictures and would be breaching the ethics of photography. ...
It's really the magazine editor's job to do the censoring and selection, from the range of pictures they have available. But there's no agenda, selection is more a matter of technical quality, framing and telling a story. Arrivee cover photos down the years have always broadly reflected the general demographic among riders at the period in question - lidded or not, male/female etc - with a possible exception that repugnants have been generally under-represented, but I'm sure that's just unlucky, because equally I'm sure there is no agenda. Perhaps they just naturally keep their heads down. Of course this broad representation is not obvious when a single cyclist is portrayed (one reason I personally don't much like single cyclist shots), but where there is a group it pans out pretty well, as you would expect.
Post by: Greenbank on 05 December, 2017, 06:30:25 pm
But why do only a minority of events require mudguards? It’s not difficult to find two events in the same part of the country at the same time of the year, one with mandatory mudguards, one without. Are all of the Orgs who don’t insist on mudguards unfussy / unmannerly / unhygienic? Or is there something else at play?
The request from mudguards doesn't come purely from the organiser (well, there may be some who misuse the requirement). It's almost certainly to placate one or more of the intended controls. In planning the event the organiser asks the cafe owner if they would mind being a control for the ride giving them a rough idea of how many people will arrive, how much they'll spend and how they are likely to be spread out over a certain time-frame. The cafe owner might say "sorry, no thanks, we get lots of cyclists in and many leave the seats in a muddy mess, much as I'd like the extra custom I can't be dealing with the extra hassle." If the organiser can say "That's ok, we can require all riders to have mudguards, so they may be a little damp if it's raining but they should be clean." That may, or may not, be enough to swing it.
So two rides on the same day in the same area might have different mudguard stipulations because they use different controls, or the control owner hasn't grumbled enough to the organiser.
Post by: grams on 05 December, 2017, 06:40:57 pm
Things always get a bit heated over the winter when people have less cycling to do or talk about, so more time gets devoted to subjects where we have less in common, and a few resort to trolling (in the original starting-arguments-on-the-internet-for-their-own-sake sense, not the generic term for online abuse that it's become) for entertainment.
You mean the "This divisive issue will certainly excite response" kind?
Post by: Greenbank on 05 December, 2017, 06:44:02 pm
Having a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be interesting to watch.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 December, 2017, 08:13:49 pm
Ah, that does make sense (assuming it's a daft o'clock start, of course!)What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 05 December, 2017, 09:03:53 pm
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
Interesting. I run a time trial series for ultra cyclists and we have no such proscription against warming up on anything - or even against running in place.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 05 December, 2017, 09:33:24 pm
... I also note lots of pictures of bikes on LEL that don't meet the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations*. Is arrivee and AUK condoning this flagrant breach of the law by using such photo's? I look forward to that discussion.
That reminds me of the time I won the 24 hour National Time Trial Championship - at least in my own head. I disqualified all those I saw cycling illegally without pedal reflectors during the house of darkness (can you believe), even though they might well have been, without exception, displaying powerful lights and wearing reflective gear. I was the moral, if unrecognised, winner albeit some 200 miles behind, with my sandals and saddlebag and my 5 Audax points.
Post by: rob on 05 December, 2017, 09:49:28 pm
What is the reason for 'no warming up on rollers'? I'm sure there is a good reason but I can't imagine what it is.
The TTing rule I was aware of was 'no warming up on turbos' because of the noise generated at daft o'clock and the knock-on risk of waking the neighbours and leading to complaints to the org.
Interesting. I run a time trial series for ultra cyclists and we have no such proscription against warming up on anything - or even against running in place.
Do your events have HQs in small quiet villages where the whirr of a turbo at 4:30am would cause complaints and the potential loss of venue for the following year ?
Post by: Martin on 05 December, 2017, 10:17:08 pm
I haven't read this one yet but just by reading things here I'm already looking forward to the *next* edition of Arrivee.
Having a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be interesting to watch.
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate there rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
Post by: Somnolent on 05 December, 2017, 10:36:36 pm
FTFYHaving a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be tedious to watch.
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate in the AUK forum rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
Post by: hellymedic on 05 December, 2017, 11:01:08 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 05 December, 2017, 11:19:00 pm
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate there rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
Life would undoubtedly be too short.
Post by: Jaded on 05 December, 2017, 11:20:07 pm
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.FTFYHaving a helmet debate being played out at 3 month intervals will be tedious to watch.
Indeed; someone has taken the time to write an article in Arrivee so why can't people continue the debate in the AUK forum rather than here? YACF is not Arrivee neither is it AUK
I don’t seem to miss much.
Post by: TOBY on 05 December, 2017, 11:27:14 pm
Post by: mmmmartin on 05 December, 2017, 11:31:17 pm
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
Post by: Kim on 06 December, 2017, 12:11:23 am
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
Sounds a bit like YACF without the smut.
Post by: hellymedic on 06 December, 2017, 12:39:06 am
I look at the AUK forum about once every six months.I look at it about once a week, and what i see is well worth popping in for. IMHO it's sensible, thoughtful opinion by sensible, thoughtful people, using their own names.
I don’t seem to miss much.
Sounds a bit like YACF without the smut.
There is nothing wrong with the AUK forum.
It is not generally sufficiently exciting or entertaining for me to bother visiting very often.
Post by: jsabine on 06 December, 2017, 01:16:36 am
Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory...
Not
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 06 December, 2017, 09:15:49 am
On the other hand if all the anti-compulsion people do nothing then the pro-helmet zealots will win.Maybe take some time to find out why people feel strongly.
Because they feel that one day AUK will decide that helemts are now compulsory... To be honest, an association with 6,000 members which promotes organised events with 50-100 participants (with one exception) is almost invisible and has zero mediatic power... so if one day helmets will become compulsory by law, it will not be because of AUK pushing for it.
On the other hand, if helmets will become law, then there is nothing AUK can do to stop that happening... so you can all chill out, do as you think it's best, follow the law whatever that is and stop getting agitated about some otherwordly realities that might or might never happen and more importantly you can't do anything about.
Equally, I don't see the point of someone waving his hands to persuade AUK to pursue a helmet only coverage... the law is clear and the law does not impose helmets... end of the aggro
While the debate might get a little heated (!) at times, it is because people do feel very strongly that the evidence for/against helmet compulsion should be fairly weighed.
That is why I won't chill and just accept the 'facts' when they are quite clearly dubious opinion.
Post by: hillbilly on 06 December, 2017, 09:36:32 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2017, 12:11:22 pm
On the other hand if all the anti-compulsion people do nothing then the pro-helmet zealots will win.
While the debate might get a little heated (!) at times, it is because people do feel very strongly that the evidence for/against helmet compulsion should be fairly weighed.
That is why I won't chill and just accept the 'facts' when they are quite clearly dubious opinion.
My personal feeling is that compulsory helmets will come as part of a deal... where more investment will be put in place for infrastructure, but what is perceived as road safety will be stepped up to make motorists happy, so high viz, helmets, reflectors, bells and the all shabadan, possibly including electronic technology.
I don't want to go into the merits or demerits of helmets.
What it is crystal clear to me is that Audax UK will not play a part in this process, in essence because it does not have a public profile which is big enough to lobby one way or the other... nobody knows it exists. It is therefore pointless as a member to lobby AUK one way or the other way... so the Arrivee article is pointless and the rants about the article are equally pointless
Post by: BeMoreMike on 06 December, 2017, 12:33:06 pm
I wouldn't call any discussion / debate / argument...rants about it pointless.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2017, 12:50:02 pm
Wasn't the article about censorship of pictures in Arrivee, something AUK is in total control of ?
I wouldn't call any discussion / debate / argument...rants about it pointless.
The article is basically asking AUK to take a position, which I think is not in the nature of AUK. My understanding is that AUK sanctions events in the ACP framework but leaves to the organisers to decide on the rest. Asking AUK to take a position in a debate about helmets is pointless.
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
As long as we all agree nothing will ever come out of it... we can waste our time debating this (frankly tired) issue
Post by: Kim on 06 December, 2017, 12:53:43 pm
There is nothing wrong with the AUK forum.
It is not generally sufficiently exciting or entertaining for me to bother visiting very often.
Agreed.
Post by: Jaded on 06 December, 2017, 01:11:39 pm
Lobby groups can be small; and need to be informed; it’s what they say that matters.
Unfortunately the helmet compulsion lobby is not small and not informed.
Post by: BeMoreMike on 06 December, 2017, 01:19:42 pm
Wasn't the article about censorship of pictures in Arrivee, something AUK is in total control of ?
I wouldn't call any discussion / debate / argument...rants about it pointless.
The article is basically asking AUK to take a position, which I think is not in the nature of AUK. My understanding is that AUK sanctions events in the ACP framework but leaves to the organisers to decide on the rest. Asking AUK to take a position in a debate about helmets is pointless.
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
As long as we all agree nothing will ever come out of it... we can waste our time debating this (frankly tired) issue
I agree with you completely about the articles attempts to get AUK to make a statement (apologies, my comment above wasn't meant as clickbait to you).
The only way the helmet debate will ever be resolved will be with legislation, which imo will probably never happen.
My own position in this is somewhat contradictory: I wear one myself and would encourage anyone else to do so, but would be 100% against any compulsion (legally or AUK's ruling).
I hope any debate / objection to the article's censorship request isn't ignored. Thankfully there seems to be no support for this (on here anyway) and as I've already mentioned previously in this thread, the picture on the front cover of this months edition shouts a thousand words.
Post by: BeMoreMike on 06 December, 2017, 01:23:14 pm
Actually there’s no reason why AUK shouldn’t be part of any process that fights the demonisation of cycling. It represents, after all, one of the purest forms of cycling.
Lobby groups can be small; and need to be informed; it’s what they say that matters.
Unfortunately the helmet compulsion lobby is not small and not informed.
A very good point, worth remembering. :thumbsup:
Post by: grams on 06 December, 2017, 01:55:13 pm
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
I think there's a difference between having a go at the article's argument and having a go at the decision to publish it and the choice of headline.
Anyone who's been involved in any sort of helmet debate before must surely know that they produce nothing positive, change nobody's minds and generally make everyone feel worse. Why publish it, other than to troll the readership?
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2017, 02:37:43 pm
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
I think there's a difference between having a go at the article's argument and having a go at the decision to publish it and the choice of headline.
Anyone who's been involved in any sort of helmet debate before must surely know that they produce nothing positive, change nobody's minds and generally make everyone feel worse. Why publish it, other than to troll the readership?
I tend to agree Arrivee is not the place to seek controvercy...
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 December, 2017, 02:43:38 pm
Having a go at such article is in my opinion equally a waste of time, although I do appreciate a debate was the very reason the article was published, so someone must be happy about it...
I think there's a difference between having a go at the article's argument and having a go at the decision to publish it and the choice of headline.
Anyone who's been involved in any sort of helmet debate before must surely know that they produce nothing positive, change nobody's minds and generally make everyone feel worse. Why publish it, other than to troll the readership?
Speak for yourself.
I think it is perfectly possible to change people's opinions on helmet use.
Post by: BrianI on 06 December, 2017, 02:50:58 pm
Post by: earthloop on 06 December, 2017, 04:07:01 pm
I wonder if the rider who complained about the cover photo of a non helmet wearing rider, has done a risk assessment of riding with lights / gopro strapped to his helmet?
I once crashed with a light strapped to my helmet, the light shattered into 3 pieces and hasn't work since, therefore that light must have saved my life.
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 11 December, 2017, 05:36:52 pm
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 December, 2017, 05:51:03 pm
I received my copy of Arrivee on Saturday - it must have been rowed across the Atlantic - and it is a wonderful production full of very interesting and well written articles, well done those who were responsible for it.
Glad your's arrived Charlie P.
Still waiting here.
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 12 December, 2017, 12:37:05 am
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Glad your's arrived Charlie P.
Still waiting here.
I believe you are in for a treat. Many of the articles are LEL focussed which makes it interesting and this is the first time I have read the magazine cover to cover - and within a couple of days of its arrival. The publishers have a tough road to make the next edition as worthwhile a read.
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2017, 08:35:54 am
Post by: Ivo on 12 December, 2017, 10:30:00 am
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
We'll probably have to wait 4 years for that ;).
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 12 December, 2017, 03:13:15 pm
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
Someone you know?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 December, 2017, 05:16:31 pm
I received my copy of Arrivee on Saturday - it must have been rowed across the Atlantic - and it is a wonderful production full of very interesting and well written articles, well done those who were responsible for it.
Which one have you received? I'd expect the current issue to have been delayed by this much.
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 12 December, 2017, 05:37:23 pm
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Which one have you received? I'd expect the current issue to have been delayed by this much.
Issue 138 Autumn/Winter 2017
Post by: Ivo on 12 December, 2017, 05:40:02 pm
It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
Someone you know?
LEL evening pic
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 12 December, 2017, 06:53:13 pm
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LEL evening pic
Are you referring to the rider with the rusty chain?
Post by: Ivo on 12 December, 2017, 09:20:59 pm
QuoteLEL evening pic
Are you referring to the rider with the rusty chain?
No, I'm referring to the cover pic of the summer mag. That's an LEL evening pic, just like the cover pic of the 2013 summer mag. So next LEL evening pic should be in the summer 2021 edition ;).
For the autumn edition I only provided the back cover pic
Post by: Charlie Polecat on 13 December, 2017, 02:13:22 am
Post by: Ivo on 13 December, 2017, 08:20:23 am
Okay, the summer edition # 137 has a picture on the front cover of a cyclist wearing a hi viz jersey and riding a bike with a rusty chain with a caption: Early morning northern light on the LEL.
Checking some photo's taken from the same rider under different light conditions does indeed reveal a little bit of rust. It looks a lot more due to the reddish evening light when the cover pic was taken.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 13 December, 2017, 09:27:17 am
May I (be possibly the 94th person to) point out that there should be a second "e" on the final word in the title of this thread, i.e. "Arrivée est arrivée!" because the past participle of the verb must agree with the gender (feminine) of the noun.
I'll get my coat now.
Post by: mattc on 13 December, 2017, 10:43:05 am
As it happens, yes; but I just think it's a good pic. :)It's a good one ... but they were never going to match last issue's cover picture.
Someone you know?
Nice scenery, lighting, bike, accesories ...
Post by: hellymedic on 13 December, 2017, 12:20:22 pm
Pedants' Corner
May I (be possibly the 94th person to) point out that there should be a second "e" on the final word in the title of this thread, i.e. "Arrivée est arrivée!" because the past participle of the verb must agree with the gender (feminine) of the noun.
I'll get my coat now.
I suppose I thought of Arrivée as being un journal when I started this thread rather than a feminine entity but I'm no scholar of the French (or any other) language.
Post by: hillbilly on 13 December, 2017, 12:27:09 pm
Post by: TOBY on 13 December, 2017, 08:44:51 pm
Post by: Redlight on 14 December, 2017, 07:05:06 am
I think it's probable that, unlike the Mail's comments, there will be a certain amount of editorial discretion as to what gets onto the letters page ...
Plenty of unfiltered, and mostly polite, discussion here https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=105992.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=105992.0), courtesy of the Mods.
Post by: Zed43 on 14 December, 2017, 08:58:17 am
I cannot imagine what the editor was thinking!Did you have a look at the photo on the (front) cover?
Intentionally or not, it made me smile when I read the complaint about a helmet-less cyclist on the cover of the previous issue.
I read the last two issues of Arrivée cover to cover, and that is a rare thing for me; chapeau to everyone involved in the production of the magazine!
Post by: frankly frankie on 14 December, 2017, 11:31:50 am
... I think the magazine would have been far better had it been two pages shorter!
Not technically possible. A staple-bound magazine has a multiple of 4 pages. </pedant>
Various people have referred to "the editor" in the last couple of pages of this thread - but it's not clear to me who was the person responsible for the inclusion of this article. The "edition editor" is named on the first page of the magazine, in an 'editorial' boxout written by somebody else, who is also the person who invites response to the article on page 25. So I'm confused.
Post by: hellymedic on 14 December, 2017, 05:21:20 pm
Post by: Redlight on 14 December, 2017, 08:09:01 pm
Sorry mate! I'm going to a CTC meeting later.
Are you still allowed to say that? Isn't it called Bikes R Us or something equally facile now?
Post by: bikey-mikey on 14 December, 2017, 11:51:04 pm
Sorry mate! I'm going to a CTC meeting later.
Are you still allowed to say that? Isn't it called Bikes R Us or something equally facile now?
I think it’s called Cycling UK, to clearly differentiate it from Cycling England, Cycling Scotland, British Cycling, Welsh Cycling, British and UK Cycling, Cycling Ireland, and of course Cycling Cycling....
Oh, and probably from Cycling England and Scotland, AND from Cycling Scotland and England, and Cycling Southern England, and Cycling Anywhere Else....
and not forgetting Cycling Slowly......
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 15 December, 2017, 01:42:54 am
Post by: Redlight on 15 December, 2017, 09:42:43 am
You look very corporate if you were the branded Endura jacket.??? ??? ???
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 December, 2017, 09:46:50 am
(https://shop.cyclinguk.org/sites/shop/files/styles/large/public/media/image/Jersey%20front%20Jpeg.jpg?itok=o-j9Tfs_)
cannot be worn by the incorporeal.
Post by: Greenbank on 15 December, 2017, 10:38:50 am
You look very corporate if you were the branded Endura jacket.??? ??? ???
ITHM: "wear"
Post by: Redlight on 16 December, 2017, 10:51:10 am
Post by: mmmmartin on 16 December, 2017, 12:35:29 pm
And having met Pete at the Eskdalemuir control, and stood outside with him as we were under massive midge attack before he sent me inside to relative shelter and the job of getting shoes off and blue plastic covers on feet, I find it really interesting to read his account of being there.
Post by: αdαmsκι on 16 December, 2017, 02:50:05 pm
Interesting article about US touring, made me ponder (for the first time ever) going there on a tour
Don't go there in
(https://tyredandhungry.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/091-misty-road-on-the-way-to-manchester.jpg) (https://tyredandhungry.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/189-foggy-views-around-big-sur.jpg)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 16 December, 2017, 04:03:10 pm
And having met Pete at the Eskdalemuir control, and stood outside with him as we were under massive midge attack before he sent me inside to relative shelter and the job of getting shoes off and blue plastic covers on feet, I find it really interesting to read his account of being there.
I had a chat with Peter about the flowers in the valleys. Meadowsweet went a bit crazy everywhere this year, and was a amazing in the Ettrick valley. I was wondering what the abundant umbellifer was. It's Angelica, as I found out on a plant identification course run by Lancs Wildlife Trust.
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/asenseofplace/files/2014/08/IMG_1432-224x300.jpg)
Post by: hellymedic on 16 December, 2017, 04:23:47 pm
Never had any luck growing them here!
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 16 December, 2017, 04:45:55 pm
... complaint about a helmet-less cyclist on the cover of the previous issue ... chapeau to everyone involved ..
Don't you start
Post by: C-3PO on 16 December, 2017, 05:30:38 pm
Post by: C-3PO on 16 December, 2017, 08:15:00 pm
... complaint about a helmet-less cyclist on the cover of the previous issue ... chapeau to everyone involved ..
Don't you start
Rather selective quote.
Author states this is at odds with sentiment.
Please exercise caution with selection!
Post by: Adam on 16 December, 2017, 08:52:26 pm
Interesting article about US touring, made me ponder (for the first time ever) going there on a tour
Don't go there inAugustFogust. We experienced a lot of fog on US Pacific coast when we cycled from the top of Washington State, setting of near the end of July, and finishing in LA in mid September. Cycling along the Pacific coast in August wearing three layers, full fingered gloves & with the tail lights flashing begins to suck after more than a few days, especially when you know it is >30 °C a few miles inland.[/img]
The one time I got to visit the west coast was in August. You could see the fog bank about 5 miles inland from the Oregon coast. I think I saw about 20 feet of the Pacific.
Post by: Cycling Redemption on 03 March, 2018, 02:54:47 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 03 March, 2018, 07:31:19 am
Arrivee appears to lost in action again not sure if publication is now offset by a month. Does anyone have any news of it's arrival?
Pretty sure it has moved one month forward, so it should be soon-ish
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 03 March, 2018, 07:46:36 pm
Arrivee appears to lost in action again not sure if publication is now offset by a month. Does anyone have any news of it's arrival?
Pretty sure it has moved one month forward, so it should be soon-ish
The AUK Forum can be a better place for "inhouse" queries like this as not everyone in head-office gets to look at YACF. The editor might be along in a moment to give you a better answer, but I'm not expecting to see Arrivee for another 3 weeks yet. I happen to know that the new MemSec will be creating the mailing list next week in anticipation of its requirement.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 24 March, 2018, 08:59:01 am
Chris Wilby can go on the list mind. ::-)
Post by: Ian H on 24 March, 2018, 10:37:31 am
Mines just turned up. The move away from plastic packaging is a good one.
Chris Wilby can go on the list mind. ::-)
It's a can of rotting worms. Anecdote and unsubstantiated opinion never contribute anything positive to a letters page, not even humour in this case.
Post by: menthel on 24 March, 2018, 11:59:46 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 24 March, 2018, 12:45:18 pm
Post by: frankly frankie on 24 March, 2018, 01:02:56 pm
Mines just turned up. The move away from plastic packaging is a good one.
Chris Wilby can go on the list mind. ::-)
It's a can of rotting worms. Anecdote and unsubstantiated opinion never contribute anything positive to a letters page, not even humour in this case.
The bareheaded cyclist pictured on p18 accompanied by the caption "I get knocked down ... but I get up again" ;D
Post by: HeltorChasca on 24 March, 2018, 02:30:47 pm
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Post by: telstarbox on 24 March, 2018, 02:38:53 pm
Post by: Somnolent on 24 March, 2018, 05:57:17 pm
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Personal view is that it was appropriate to allow 'right of reply' for one issue.
I do hope the editor feels that is sufficient though, after all as one corrspondent wrote, never seen anyone change their mind....
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 24 March, 2018, 06:08:31 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 24 March, 2018, 07:54:26 pm
Ah. I've just spotted that although we've changed the name of the Membership Secretary, Caroline doesn't live in Delph. We should have seen that one.
Post by: Peter on 24 March, 2018, 08:15:54 pm
Post by: Frank9755 on 24 March, 2018, 09:52:04 pm
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
Post by: hellymedic on 24 March, 2018, 10:50:44 pm
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
IMO that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I've not read much yet myself but there's LOADS that's not the benighted h*lm*t debate.
Looks like an excellent mag that's come a very long way since I joined AUK.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 25 March, 2018, 07:17:48 am
Post by: Oscar's dad on 25 March, 2018, 08:48:14 am
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
You’ll miss my contribution :'(
Post by: Kim on 25 March, 2018, 01:30:03 pm
You’ll miss my contribution :'(
Yeah, that was the best bit!
Post by: Oscar's dad on 25 March, 2018, 01:44:41 pm
You’ll miss my contribution :'(
Yeah, that was the best bit!
I’ve always liked you ;D
It’s a shame the article was edited, I guess to save space, as I think (as you’d expect I would!) that the original version read betterer. Also some of the photos I submitted were left out, they were mostly of drinks and pubs.
Post by: Huff n Puff on 26 March, 2018, 09:11:31 am
It’s a shame the article was edited, I guess to save space, as I think (as you’d expect I would!) that the original version read betterer. Also some of the photos I submitted were left out, they were mostly of drinks and pubs.
That may be my fault, they asked me to add some extra features to my LEJOG article (just preceding yours).
Part of the purpose of the article is for anyone planning a LEJOG in 2018......and believe me, it takes a bit of planning. At least with my own local events I can test the route beforehand....although spending yesterday out riding to construct a route sheet and writing down the signposts at every junction is a chore not needed on LEJOG!
http://www.westerley.cc/may-day-chiltern-audaxes-theyre-back/
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 26 March, 2018, 02:50:26 pm
Although I've no ambition to do LeJog this was a very well written article, full of useful stuff, but in an easy to read format. I hope it gets archived somewhere for the next nutter who wants to attempt this (and possibly my son and his wife)
It’s a shame the article was edited, I guess to save space, as I think (as you’d expect I would!) that the original version read betterer. Also some of the photos I submitted were left out, they were mostly of drinks and pubs.
That may be my fault, they asked me to add some extra features to my LEJOG article (just preceding yours).
Part of the purpose of the article is for anyone planning a LEJOG in 2018......and believe me, it takes a bit of planning. At least with my own local events I can test the route beforehand....although spending yesterday out riding to construct a route sheet and writing down the signposts at every junction is a chore not needed on LEJOG!
http://www.westerley.cc/may-day-chiltern-audaxes-theyre-back/
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Post by: Bianchi Boy on 26 March, 2018, 10:29:33 pm
I saw them at the end. To finish that on a tandem and not walk at all is amazing.
BB
Post by: Huff n Puff on 27 March, 2018, 02:10:37 pm
I'm blushing, very kind of you sir!
Although I've no ambition to do LeJog this was a very well written article, full of useful stuff, but in an easy to read format. I hope it gets archived somewhere for the next nutter who wants to attempt this (and possibly my son and his wife)
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Hopefully someone will benefit from my experiences, and if anyone can fix that rainfall issue it will all have been worthwhile!
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 28 March, 2018, 11:43:32 am
Post by: hellymedic on 28 March, 2018, 12:22:34 pm
There's POSH!
;) ;D
Post by: Paul H on 28 March, 2018, 12:57:10 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 30 March, 2018, 05:16:15 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 30 March, 2018, 07:06:23 pm
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
If I might say so, I think your comment is disrespectful! By all means throw Arrivee in the bin unread if you like and you just deprive yourself of what others might think is a great read. But this is a club magazine, put together lovingly by your club mates, in their spare time, for no payment, so you can imagine how your comments are received, and how much they appreciate your slap in the face. Are you a member of any other clubs, and are you any more supportive there?
Post by: Huff n Puff on 01 April, 2018, 06:45:45 am
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
If I might say so, I think your comment is disrespectful! By all means throw Arrivee in the bin unread if you like and you just deprive yourself of what others might think is a great read. But this is a club magazine, put together lovingly by your club mates, in their spare time, for no payment, so you can imagine how your comments are received, and how much they appreciate your slap in the face. Are you a member of any other clubs, and are you any more supportive there?
I suspect, knowing Frank, that should probably be subtitled 'I don't want to go through that debate again thanks'....Frank does a lot for our club, reads Arrivee and appreciates the efforts of volunteers (of which he is regularly one). Frank has even written for Arrivee I believe.
However, he is not a helmet enthusiast and has probably been told why he should wear one a few too many times.
I'm sure no harm was meant.
Post by: mattc on 01 April, 2018, 08:16:02 am
Great news on the paper packaging.
Really sad the editing team didn’t learn from the last edition, to leave the whole helmet debate alone. It’s just a tribalistic wind up.
Thanks for the warning - I'll chuck mine in to the recycling bin without opening it!
[My bold - Matt]
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 April, 2018, 05:19:53 pm
I really enjoyed OD's article about dnfing, the towpath riding and the tour of the Pamirs. None of which are strictly audaxing, but all the better for that!
:-*
Post by: Huff n Puff on 15 April, 2018, 02:47:27 pm
Two stand out comments from yesterday:
1) 'You must have a really understanding wife' - I relayed this when I got home and she appreciated it.
2) 'I liked the bit about Preston always being a bad experience as I've got a mate from Preston' - honestly I've been there 4 times and something has gone wrong every time, but I got payback yesterday as whilst we were riding QPR were busy losing at home to Preston North End! Glad I chose cycling over football this weekend, if any Preston fans had recognised me from Arrivée I bet they wouldn't have been as complimentary!
Post by: frankly frankie on 16 April, 2018, 09:10:50 am
Post by: Ajax Bay on 16 April, 2018, 12:24:50 pm
I think that being unkind about Preston merely reflects lack of route planning (as Frank implies). On an end-to-end, just drop down (eg using Wateringpool Lane) onto the old railway track which hosts NCN6 and follow the well signposted NCN all the way through town, across Moor Park, joining the A6 north of the M55. Do stop to admire the fantastic views up and down the Ribble: the route crosses the river on a motor-free bridge.
Post by: Si S on 16 April, 2018, 12:39:38 pm
"Avoid Preston"
I think that being unkind about Preston merely reflects lack of route planning (as Frank implies). On an end-to-end, just drop down (eg using Wateringpool Lane) onto the old railway track which hosts NCN6 and follow the well signposted NCN all the way through town, across Moor Park, joining the A6 north of the M55. Do stop to admire the fantastic views up and down the Ribble: the route crosses the river on a motor-free bridge.
*Not a lejog*
I've toyed with the idea of trying to bypass Preston to the east, approach via Roach Bridge then through Brockholes on the guild wheel but the short section of A59 before you can get off under the M6 concerns me slightly
Post by: Paul H on 16 April, 2018, 12:45:40 pm
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
*Not a lejog*
I've toyed with the idea of trying to bypass Preston to the east, approach via Roach Bridge then through Brockholes on the guild wheel but the short section of A59 before you can get off under the M6 concerns me slightly
Post by: Si S on 16 April, 2018, 12:48:58 pm
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
*Not a lejog*
I've toyed with the idea of trying to bypass Preston to the east, approach via Roach Bridge then through Brockholes on the guild wheel but the short section of A59 before you can get off under the M6 concerns me slightly
;D
Post by: Huff n Puff on 16 April, 2018, 01:56:11 pm
Mind you, based on the data, probably not best to visit when I'm in town!
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 April, 2018, 02:02:58 pm
Just to put some perspective here, my comments were 'tongue in cheek'. The bits of Preston I went through were fine.....the only issue was the terrential rain and flash floods. It's just that every time I visit Preston something goes wrong..... I'm sure it's a very nice place.
Mind you, based on the data, probably not best to visit when I'm in town!
Some years ago I had the misfortune of staying in the Post House, Preston. It was one of the most depressing hotel I have stayed in (1). I should have upgraded my accommodation by punching a police officer thus earning myself a night in the cells.
(1) The Barrow-in Furness hotel I stayed in was probably the worst (late '80s)
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 16 April, 2018, 02:03:57 pm
On my E2E I avoided Preston by going over the Humber Bridge - though I wasn't on an Audax timescale.
And I've toyed with bypassing Preston to the West: a LeJoG at 14 x 200 involving the Holyhead-Dublin and Belfast Stranraer ferries and going through all 5 countries of the British Isles.
Post by: Bagman on 16 April, 2018, 02:23:04 pm
Post by: Si S on 16 April, 2018, 02:47:32 pm
Using some of the A6 through Preston on my LEJOG this August, stopping at Bilsborrow Premier inn
Broughton to Bilsborrow is ok,in fact it's ok (only ok) pretty much all the way to the A590, I'd stay off the A6 south of Preston at Walton-le-Dale, although I have ridden it as result of stupidity and laziness, not pleasant
Post by: telstarbox on 19 May, 2018, 05:13:53 pm
Post by: Tull924 on 20 May, 2018, 10:10:20 pm
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 June, 2018, 05:24:51 pm
I haven't read it, but I did spot Richard Chew's article about his Cambridge Autumnal adventure (which will again be third Saturday in October this year) :thumbsup:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 June, 2018, 05:40:35 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 14 June, 2018, 05:43:53 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 June, 2018, 05:49:04 pm
Nothing here... I've got FOMO...
And rightly so.
The 'Readers' Wives' section this month is phenomenal.
Post by: perpetual dan on 14 June, 2018, 05:51:03 pm
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Post by: Deano on 14 June, 2018, 07:28:54 pm
The back cover ... Invisibility cloak?
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John Sherlock, international man of mystery.
He was wearing a black gilet over a bright yellow jacket, and my camera couldn't cope with the yellow. Looks as though it just interpolated the background - I never noticed :facepalm:
Dale's photo shows how he looked: https://flic.kr/p/CWAmsS
Post by: perpetual dan on 14 June, 2018, 08:42:59 pm
I was wondering how it happened. Green screening in more glamorous models, double exposures...
Now to actually read it. I've been really enjoying the new look version
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Post by: D.A.L.E. on 15 June, 2018, 08:57:37 am
The back cover ... Invisibility cloak?Yeah, when Dean sent it to me I was baffled, not seen anything like that before.
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EDIT - Just got my copy. Err... yeah... the effort of the volunteers is appreciated but this whole helmet thing can fuck right off. In the bin it goes.
Post by: mattc on 15 June, 2018, 10:29:28 am
It's looking better and better. The article on the last page will get mattc jolly bateyIf you've written in to slag off The Morris, I shall be jolly cross. :hand:
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 June, 2018, 10:33:32 am
Post by: grams on 15 June, 2018, 05:16:00 pm
He was wearing a black gilet over a bright yellow jacket, and my camera couldn't cope with the yellow. Looks as though it just interpolated the background - I never noticed :facepalm:
Looks like it was taken on a camera with an HDR mode which takes two frames at different exposure levels and stitches them together to hide the overexposed parts. Which works great as long as the subject isn't moving!
Post by: hellymedic on 15 June, 2018, 08:14:50 pm
I think it's great!
The invisibility cloak is amusing and the pedant in me can get picky but it's always picky.
Great read. Love the paper quality!
Thanks a million, team!
Post by: Deano on 28 June, 2018, 11:42:27 pm
He was wearing a black gilet over a bright yellow jacket, and my camera couldn't cope with the yellow. Looks as though it just interpolated the background - I never noticed :facepalm:
Looks like it was taken on a camera with an HDR mode which takes two frames at different exposure levels and stitches them together to hide the overexposed parts. Which works great as long as the subject isn't moving!
No, it was the green. All the other photos of riders taken at the same time with the same settings have all arms, heads etc present and correct: https://flic.kr/p/ZVL9Yv
Post by: jimmea on 12 July, 2018, 07:32:51 pm
Post by: bhoot on 12 July, 2018, 08:58:03 pm
Post by: jakemcree on 05 August, 2018, 05:35:13 pm
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 05 August, 2018, 07:31:03 pm
Does Arrivee exist anywhere online? I seem to have misplaced the latest issue before I got a chance to read it....
Yes, at www.aukweb.net > Arrivee
But I see we're only up to Feb 2017 (135) but as the latest one was 140, it is a few issues behind. I'm not sure who uploads them. It looks like it's one of those jobs that has fallen between the cracks of job descriptions.
Post by: bhoot on 11 September, 2018, 12:57:28 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 11 September, 2018, 12:59:59 pm
Post by: Paul H on 11 September, 2018, 01:05:10 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 11 September, 2018, 02:28:57 pm
Only had a cursory glance so far.
I note few Mileaters entered the >10,000 camp.
Post by: Jamesha on 11 September, 2018, 02:34:26 pm
Mine has arrived.
Only had a cursory glance so far.
I note few Mileaters entered the >10,000 camp.
Are Mileater distances in miles or km? - I assume the former based upon the name but cannot find a definitive answer on the AUK web site. I do see that Pat Kenny did 30468 in 2000 which is jaw dropping regardless of the units of measurement.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 September, 2018, 02:52:03 pm
Post by: Kim on 11 September, 2018, 04:34:33 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 11 September, 2018, 05:39:19 pm
Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
So does HK & so did I.
Post by: Steamkoi on 11 September, 2018, 09:46:05 pm
Post by: paulworthington53 on 11 September, 2018, 10:02:07 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 12 September, 2018, 09:02:47 am
You were working shifts as well?Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
So does HK & so did I.
Post by: mattc on 12 September, 2018, 10:39:27 am
Mine has arrived.The Mileater sec report said that >10k claims were up on last year, and I think he said mileages/claims were up overall. Purely FYI :)
Only had a cursory glance so far.
I note few Mileaters entered the >10,000 camp.
Post by: hellymedic on 12 September, 2018, 01:10:34 pm
You were working shifts as well?Yes, miles. Pat did his many miles around a fulltime job.
So does HK & so did I.
No nights but 2pm-10pm slots interspersed with 'day' shifts...
Post by: frankly frankie on 12 September, 2018, 03:37:16 pm
I remember dear ol' Rocco riding a 200 with us in Shropshire, around 1990 this would be -
Rocco: (out of the corner of his mouth) "who's that bloke on the trike?"
Me: (a bit taken aback by the question) "er, that's Pat, you know, Pat Kenny"
Rocco: "Pat Kenny? Pat KENNY? PAT Kenny? You mean - " (mouthing without any sound) "PAT KENNY?"
(Pat had long been a legend in trialling circles as a hard man, a setter and holder of multiple road records - just not in Rocco's neck of the woods.)
Shortly after that we came to a gated road, and Rocco was quick to dismount and hold the gate open, I almost thought when Pat passed through Rocco was going to throw his jacket down onto the road, Walter Raleigh-style - I'm fairly sure I saw him bow a little. They rapidly became firm friends, of course.
Post by: aidan.f on 12 September, 2018, 06:22:36 pm
Post by: andyoxon on 12 September, 2018, 06:32:39 pm
igmc...
Post by: perpetual dan on 12 September, 2018, 08:17:16 pm
Post by: Ben T on 12 September, 2018, 08:36:00 pm
Our new letterbox just passed the Arrivée test.ah - very OT question: i've also just fitted a new letterbox... but is the brush supposed to go at the front or the back and is there a reason?
Post by: Graeme on 13 September, 2018, 08:28:14 am
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
Hope this helps.
:)
Post by: frankly frankie on 13 September, 2018, 10:59:12 am
To divert this thread (slightly) I do wonder about the exclusivity of the two pages of advertorial. (60/61).
I agree. Compounded in this case by pages 26-28, and the cover photo and accompanying article of the previous issue.
It's not the first time that Arrivee has fallen into this trap, I recall in the past a 2-page feature by Pete Matthews the wheel builder that drew some criticism.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 13 September, 2018, 11:21:07 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 13 September, 2018, 01:15:10 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 13 September, 2018, 04:12:38 pm
They shouldn't have been - all 38 names were submitted with the article... My copy isn't here yet so I'll see when it gets here...
Looks like the second half of the list was replaced by a photo :(
Editor failed to spell Kajsa's surname consistently twice on one page. I am very sensitive about this!
Post by: andyoxon on 13 September, 2018, 04:16:37 pm
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
Hope this helps.
:)
;D
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 13 September, 2018, 07:07:26 pm
Didn't realise the Humber bridge (p7) was so small...
igmc...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
Hope this helps.
:)
I got to refer to that while talking to a guide for 'Ted Tours' who was dressed as a nun, and taking a hen party dressed as nuns round 'Father Ted' sites in County Clare. Audax Ireland were using Father Ted's house as a control, and we started out by filming, but gradually mutated into a pair of Mrs Doyles.
This surreal episode features from 2.30 in this short film.
https://vimeo.com/279265464
Post by: andyoxon on 13 September, 2018, 08:56:07 pm
Post by: The LongRider on 14 September, 2018, 11:33:28 am
I’m reading this about as fast as I cycle, but I really enjoyed Helen Karrane’s piece. There’s fantastic recollection of the sort of detail that I see as I ride and fail to put in what I write, and the sense that she’s doing something audacious is right there.
Thanks! I'm blushing on this side of the Irish sea!
When it's just you and a bike and radio reception varies from valley to valkey then you have plenty of time to take in your environs.
I'm not sure if Arrivée wants/needs an Irish correspondent but I usually write something about most of my rides. It's howI learned about Audax from reading other's experiences.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 14 September, 2018, 11:53:57 am
It's a bit like if PRO cycling published an article about Rohan Dennis' hour record now... ::-)
Post by: Paul H on 14 September, 2018, 01:05:59 pm
I think the piece about Kajsa Tylen is a bit untimely... The feat was done nearly two years ago and in the meantime it has been demolished by AC, who went over twice the distance.Can't please everyone, I enjoyed it, doesn't have to be a current record to be a good story. Different record, ride, regulation and story to Amanda Coker's anyway, though I'd be just as interested to read about that.
It's a bit like if PRO cycling published an article about Rohan Dennis' hour record now... ::-)
Post by: mattc on 14 September, 2018, 08:38:34 pm
I’m reading this about as fast as I cycle, but I really enjoyed Helen Karrane’s piece. There’s fantastic recollection of the sort of detail that I see as I ride and fail to put in what I write, and the sense that she’s doing something audacious is right there.
Thanks! I'm blushing on this side of the Irish sea!
When it's just you and a bike and radio reception varies from valley to valkey then you have plenty of time to take in your environs.
I'm not sure if Arrivée wants/needs an Irish correspondent but I usually write something about most of my rides. It's howI learned about Audax from reading other's experiences.
I loved the bit about not even bothering to put your shoes on, as you knew there was a steep climb straight out of the control/pub/caff/hotel/whatever ;D Best laugh in Arrivee for a while.
(and well done - it looks like a proper epic ride :thumbsup: )
Post by: The LongRider on 14 September, 2018, 10:19:47 pm
I should have called it a duathlon, the amount of walking I did. Then again I did have about 10kg luggage on the bike including water. I was pretty self sufficient for three days.
I don't usually walk at all, when I did the Liege-Bastogne-Liege sportive in 2014, all 279km. I was riding 39x28 and I'd have killed for compact gearing but I got up every single climb.
BTW, In the article I know I moan about Welsh roads but it's mostly tongue in cheek! Irish roads aren't much better in many cases and hey, this is Audax.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 15 September, 2018, 07:40:17 am
Post by: mattc on 15 September, 2018, 08:05:49 am
I'd be quite happy to read an interivew with Rohan Dennis focusing on his hour record, but with a bit about his recent road-racing. (In Cyling Weekly OR Arrivee).I think the piece about Kajsa Tylen is a bit untimely... The feat was done nearly two years ago and in the meantime it has been demolished by AC, who went over twice the distance.Can't please everyone, I enjoyed it, doesn't have to be a current record to be a good story. Different record, ride, regulation and story to Amanda Coker's anyway, though I'd be just as interested to read about that.
It's a bit like if PRO cycling published an article about Rohan Dennis' hour record now... ::-)
People are still buying/reading books/articles about Lance Armstrong, and riders 40 years earlier - try and look beyond the latest "News" if you want to find interest!
Post by: slohill on 17 September, 2018, 05:33:25 pm
Well done to Editor and Contributers! :thumbsup:
Post by: quixoticgeek on 25 September, 2018, 12:32:29 pm
Got back from Hell to find my copy of Awoowoo in the letter box (as well as my TCRno6 news paper). Am looking forward to a quiet evening curled up with a beer and a good read!
J
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 06 December, 2018, 12:15:59 pm
Noticed the advert for a Web Content Manager near the back mind; I, and at least one other person, offered to do such a thing several years ago, nice to see AUK finally catching on...
Post by: Greenbank on 06 December, 2018, 12:19:30 pm
Noticed the advert for a Web Content Manager near the back mind; I, and at least one other person, offered to do such a thing several years ago, nice to see AUK finally catching on...
They've had one for quite a while, but the current one is leaving, hence the advert.
Post by: Karla on 06 December, 2018, 12:24:39 pm
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 06 December, 2018, 12:27:39 pm
Did my article make it in there? If so, could someone send me a piccy please, I'd like to see how it turned out.It did. Hence my comment above...
I seem to have deleted a bunch of my text. The advert is for a Web Content Manager, but in the copy it is for Editor(s). Two completely different positions IME.Noticed the advert for a Web Content Manager near the back mind; I, and at least one other person, offered to do such a thing several years ago, nice to see AUK finally catching on...
They've had one for quite a while, but the current one is leaving, hence the advert.
Post by: Karla on 06 December, 2018, 12:33:19 pm
If you could send me photomagraphic evidence by email if be much obliged m'lud.
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 06 December, 2018, 12:53:41 pm
That you're so over it? I aim to please :demon:
If you could send me photomagraphic evidence by email if be much obliged m'lud.
I sent it via Facebook, it's about 40mb.
Post by: wilkyboy on 06 December, 2018, 01:17:26 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2018, 01:42:23 pm
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
Everesting on Arrivee? have we crossed a line? Is it not the exact opposite of a randonnee?
Post by: zigzag on 06 December, 2018, 02:31:08 pm
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
Everesting on Arrivee? have we crossed a line? Is it not the exact opposite of a randonnee?
there were some references to audaxes and the pbp2019 as her target, so not totally off-topic.
Post by: Tomsk on 06 December, 2018, 04:00:06 pm
We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
We need some articles about headwinds, Wetherspoons, fixed gear ratios and so on. ACME and Cambridge Audax and Audax Club Lincolnshire, get scribbling over Christmas?
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 06 December, 2018, 04:56:35 pm
I know (for me anyway) there’s less climbing to the Witham ‘spoons start than the Tewkesbury one, they both have two coffee machines, and serve local beer!We'll call this one "the hilly edition" — every article seems to involve climbing some great amount, either col-bagging or Everesting or "my legs are so shot with all this climbing". The only reference to Flatlandia appears to be a pull-quote about training in East Anglia didn't prepare the riders for the gazillion fathoms ascended. Just saying.
We need some articles about headwinds, Wetherspoons, fixed gear ratios and so on. ACME and Cambridge Audax and Audax Club Lincolnshire, get scribbling over Christmas?
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2018, 06:05:53 pm
the furthest cycling activity from Audax is indoor cycling on a stationary bike, the second furthest is cycling around a track and the third furthest is Everesting.
Everesting does not recognise Audax, in the sense that you could climb 8848 vertical metres (or whatever is the altitude of Everest) as part of a randonnee but that would not count, so why should the Audax UK magazine endorse this activity with a cover quoting even George Mallory?
As for the challenge, it is beyond me, chapeau to anyone who Everested, but it has been done to death... once I looked whether there was a meaningful climb in the UK that had not been Everested yet and the answer is no, they've all been everested already...
I think Arrivee should be about long distance cycling, end of...
Rant over :P
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 December, 2018, 07:01:03 pm
Post by: mattc on 06 December, 2018, 07:12:01 pm
Non-audax features have appeared in many issues: touring, col-storming, etc.... and on balance I support this.
Audax itself is a very narrow field, if you look at it in the context of the big wide world of cycling. rare is the Audaxer who ONLY rides his/her bike on brevets, and most of us have some interest in the other branches (even if only from our armchairs).
So I'm quite happy to read about other stuff that members are doing, in moderation. Having said that, I too am pretty bored of Everesting now! But not every article has to be aimed at me ;)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 06 December, 2018, 07:29:01 pm
Non-audax features have appeared in many issues: touring, col-storming, etc.
.. but all related to long distance cycling... Everesting means going up and down the same stretch of road until you have clocked 8848 vertical metres of climbing. typically we are talking a 2-3 miles stretch of road, as British climbs are short...
Hard, no doubt a grind, but as audacious as a day-long spin class
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 December, 2018, 07:35:44 pm
I don't think Naish Hill is even 2 miles long but she did ride 125km in total.
Post by: mattc on 06 December, 2018, 07:46:07 pm
To me a day-long spin class sounds far more arduous than Everesting or, say, Mille Penines; at least mentally. :demon:So not even worth a point. Pah!
I don't think Naish Hill is even 2 miles long but she did ride 125km in total.
[ ;) ]
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 December, 2018, 07:48:04 pm
Post by: Chris S on 06 December, 2018, 08:19:40 pm
Let's put it this way:
the furthest cycling activity from Audax is indoor cycling on a stationary bike, the second furthest is cycling around a track and the third furthest is Everesting.
Everesting does not recognise Audax, in the sense that you could climb 8848 vertical metres (or whatever is the altitude of Everest) as part of a randonnee but that would not count, so why should the Audax UK magazine endorse this activity with a cover quoting even George Mallory?
As for the challenge, it is beyond me, chapeau to anyone who Everested, but it has been done to death... once I looked whether there was a meaningful climb in the UK that had not been Everested yet and the answer is no, they've all been everested already...
I think Arrivee should be about long distance cycling, end of...
Rant over :P
Some of us who, previously at least, would have referred to ourselves as "Audaxers" are currently engaged in some manner of Everesting, on indoor bikes. I should take my indoor-trainer over to Middlesbrough cycletrack for the hat trick!
Your comment gives me another idea though. There have been some photos/articles in the past that appeared to promote long distance cycling in wholly unsuitable winter conditions. I think - for the sake of balance - we should have a "What I did in my Christmas holidays" article, detailing all the many and varied ways riders have broken pelvises, collar-bones, wrists and other important items of anatomy, riding in wintry conditions.
For my part, I'm quite happy to ride my bike indoors at this time of year.
Post by: telstarbox on 06 December, 2018, 08:32:24 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 December, 2018, 08:56:27 pm
I'm not sure that the North Coast 500 is audaxing if you do it with a support van, but if it's a good story, people might want to read it.
Post by: aidan.f on 06 December, 2018, 09:35:28 pm
Post by: Ben T on 06 December, 2018, 09:42:57 pm
Post by: grams on 06 December, 2018, 09:58:36 pm
But then it's always been a bit like this. I guess it's aspirational? And I suppose it's at the mercy of what people want to write about.
Post by: telstarbox on 06 December, 2018, 10:32:05 pm
Post by: Chris S on 06 December, 2018, 10:39:49 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 December, 2018, 11:03:56 pm
Post by: Graeme on 06 December, 2018, 11:22:28 pm
Did my article make it in there? If so, could someone send me a piccy please, I'd like to see how it turned out.
Nice article Bunbury. 300km Audax event in Japan while touring the world. Very audacious.
Post by: Greenbank on 07 December, 2018, 12:39:14 am
Let's put it this way:
the furthest cycling activity from Audax is indoor cycling on a stationary bike, the second furthest is cycling around a track and the third furthest is Everesting.
Everesting does not recognise Audax, in the sense that you could climb 8848 vertical metres (or whatever is the altitude of Everest) as part of a randonnee but that would not count, so why should the Audax UK magazine endorse this activity with a cover quoting even George Mallory?
Because it's audacious?
As a lapsed Audaxer who's done some of the big rides [BCM/LEL/PBP] the concept of Everesting is an interesting one.
It's probably easier to ride an Audax that does 8848m+ climbing than it is to Everest a single climb to cover the same altitude gain.
Let's put it this way:-
If you don't get that then, in my opinion, I
[ I didn't when I first started Audaxing. I do now. ]
Post by: whosatthewheel on 07 December, 2018, 05:57:56 am
To me a day-long spin class sounds far more arduous than Everesting or, say, Mille Penines; at least mentally. :demon:
I don't think Naish Hill is even 2 miles long but she did ride 125km in total.
I think arduous and audacious are not the same. The challenge of riding long distance outdoors is not limited to turning the cranks n times, the challenge of cycling indoors is all about turning the cranks n times.
If we accept stationary cycling or "almost stationary cycling" as forms of "long distance cycling" worth celebrating on a magazine cover, then things have changed quite a lot
Post by: JohnL on 07 December, 2018, 06:22:22 am
Not Audaxing at all. They may have met up only at controls. I have not checked the perm but guess there are precious few of them on that route..They were followed pretty much all the way. There is a mention of ‘... drove behind providing rolling protection from traffic’. Not Audax.
I guess they can only publish what they’re given.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 07 December, 2018, 07:04:38 am
Because it's audacious?
As a lapsed Audaxer who's done some of the big rides [BCM/LEL/PBP] the concept of Everesting is an interesting one.
It's probably easier to ride an Audax that does 8848m+ climbing than it is to Everest a single climb to cover the same altitude gain.
Let's put it this way:-
If you don't get that then, in my opinion, I don't think you don't really get what Audaxing is about.
[ I didn't when I first started Audaxing. I do now. ]
It's not about what it's easy and what it's hard and it's not even about whether it is Audax or it is not, clearly it is not, but that is immaterial, we had cover prictures of people touring around the world, and that was great.
I am not even saying that Everesting is not interesting, I thought about going up and down Bwlch-Y-Groes myself.
What I am saying is that IT IS NOT a form of long distance cycling, simply because you are not going very far at all and you don't have to face the challenges of long distance cycling, here's a few...
-being stranded with a mechanical a long way from any help
-having to negotiate foul weather a very long way from any shelter
-navigating your way to the next control/village/refuge for the night
-managing your time so that you get to X before the control closes/before it gets dark/before the forecasted storm approaches
-making sure you carry enough food and water until the next control/village/gas station
Since AUK and therefore Arrivee promotes long distance cyling (which is all of the above and more), which is our very own USP, why should it promote Everesting, which is going up and down a mile stretch of road n times and is none of the above? :P
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 07 December, 2018, 07:08:34 am
I think arduous and audacious are not the same. The challenge of riding long distance outdoors is not limited to turning the cranks n times, the challenge of cycling indoors is all about turning the cranks n times.
I agree but Arrivee has always included some non-brevet stories which can be interesting glimpses into other worlds for tunnel-vision points chasers. As long as the recent balance of articles doesn't become the norm and audaxers continue to write some interesting articles, the magazine should remain worthwhile.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 07 December, 2018, 07:28:09 am
I think arduous and audacious are not the same. The challenge of riding long distance outdoors is not limited to turning the cranks n times, the challenge of cycling indoors is all about turning the cranks n times.
I agree but Arrivee has always included some non-brevet stories which can be interesting glimpses into other worlds for tunnel-vision points chasers. As long as the recent balance of articles doesn't become the norm and audaxers continue to write some interesting articles, the magazine should remain worthwhile.
Agree, but as I have said a bunch of times, the keyword is not "audax" or "brevet" but "long distance cycling"... whatever fits into that description, it's Arrivee material
I appareciate in the process of going up and down a mile of road, one could clock some considerable mileage, but distance and mileage are not the same thing.
Post by: frankly frankie on 07 December, 2018, 09:09:15 am
But there's no need to split a semantic hair over this, if you want to point to why Everesting is wrong an an audax magazine, just use the audax requirement to not use the same stretch of road more than once in an event.
Post by: hillbilly on 07 December, 2018, 02:38:24 pm
Is that because we aren't sending in enough articles singing the praises of UK based randonneur events, or is it an editorial decision?
Post by: whosatthewheel on 07 December, 2018, 03:39:13 pm
I've noticed a trend away from reporting on audax events in the past year or two, particularly calendar events, and towards overseas tours and general endurance cycling events (and DIY rides).
Is that because we aren't sending in enough articles singing the praises of UK based randonneur events, or is it an editorial decision?
I suspect the former.
The only obvious editorial decision seems to be to promote long distance cycling among women, which is a good thing (as long as it doesn't become an obsession).
Post by: cygnet on 07 December, 2018, 05:48:48 pm
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Agree, but as I have said a bunch of times, the keyword is not "audax" or "brevet" but "long distance cycling"... whatever fits into that description, it's Arrivee material
...
Long-distance cycling and cyclo-climbing - don't forget about the Ordre des Cols Durs
Post by: LiamFitz on 07 December, 2018, 05:54:23 pm
I've noticed a trend away from reporting on audax events in the past year or two, particularly calendar events, and towards overseas tours and general endurance cycling events (and DIY rides).
Is that because we aren't sending in enough articles singing the praises of UK based randonneur events, or is it an editorial decision?
I suspect the former.
The only obvious editorial decision seems to be to promote long distance cycling among women, which is a good thing (as long as it doesn't become an obsession).
My guess, based on nothing more than a couple of conversations a long time ago is that there is a mix of things going on here.
The magazine depends heavily on stuff that gets volunteered but sometimes it's a bit dull if I'm honest. How many times can you read "My first 200!"? Worthy as it may seem and chapeau to the usually somewhat surprised author, I'm not sure if that many of us want to read largely identical tellings of the same story. And then there is the other story from the seasoned rider running over six pages describing in minute detail their gear choice and the rider's temporary companions at various stages of their flat and uneventful 300k. The story might be illustrated with a picture of other riders' bums as they cycle up the road or a plate of food captioned "The full English really hit the spot!"
In the past there was a tendency to publish stuff in full which meant that a trip to the shops got the full War and Peace treatment without the love interest or the undertones of social change.
So, I for one, welcome the attempt to plan out a magazine that features something else apart from a homage to catatonia. I now know more about everesting and veganism that I did before. I like the attempts to have a more balanced representation of the audaxing community and hope that we see more of that. Well done for including a medic - perhaps that's overdue and maybe we could get someone to give us some training advice (who has ridden audax).
I'm sure the editor would welcome more copy from audaxers. I bet a conversation with him might result in a few creative tweaks to tell our stories in a fresh way. He's bound to be interested to hear directly suggestions about topics to cover - he's probably following his instinct about what we'd find interesting so steers on topics and thoughts about how to get them written must be a good idea. Personally, I would love to hear more about adventure racing and how audaxers experience these events, I'd be fascinated to know about some of the technical issues that come up (i'm experimenting with tubeless and would love to know what other people think) and to hear the outcome of the steel vs alloy debate that's been flying around on twitter.
L
Post by: whosatthewheel on 07 December, 2018, 07:01:46 pm
https://whosatthewheel.com/2015/05/19/fleet-moss-and-a-pair-of-irc-roadlite-tubeless-tyres/
https://whosatthewheel.com/2014/12/27/300-km-on-schwalbe-one-tubeless/
https://whosatthewheel.com/2015/08/10/ghetto-tubeless-conversions/
Post by: Tomsk on 07 December, 2018, 08:30:08 pm
Post by: halhorner on 07 December, 2018, 10:00:52 pm
Post by: mattc on 07 December, 2018, 10:13:49 pm
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 07 December, 2018, 11:24:15 pm
There are still people who want to describe a voyage, and write well. They'll have a hierarchy of desired outlets, starting with being paid by a mass circulation magazine, and cascading through larger club magazines such as Cycling, and down to Arrivee.
So Arrivée will end up as a mix of specific Audax articles, and better-written articles on themes related to long-distance cycling.
Perhaps there should be a set assignment in each issue, for publication in the next issue. You could start with 'The Spirit of Audax'. For me it's declaring what you're going to do in advance, within a defined timescale, and working towards that goal, during a specified period, coping with the conditions you are presented with. That formula generates the bedrock of Arrivee articles, especially PBP and LEL pieces.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 08 December, 2018, 07:46:39 am
If I want to know about tubeless tyres or steel frames or everesting, there is a wealth of information available on the internet... that's where I normally go.
I don't mind the all article about "something else", but ultimately I want to know about what AUK does and what my options are
Post by: Karla on 08 December, 2018, 07:58:44 am
Obviously we all different reasons for reading Arrivee, in my case I want to know about rides and events I might be interested to do myself.
If you want to ride a randonnee in Japan, thanks to Arrivée you now have several handy hints for how to do that ;)
Post by: whosatthewheel on 08 December, 2018, 08:02:55 am
Obviously we all different reasons for reading Arrivee, in my case I want to know about rides and events I might be interested to do myself.
If you want to ride a randonnee in Japan, thanks to Arrivée you now have several handy hints for how to do that ;)
indeed... :thumbsup:
I find that long events tend to have at least one write up on some blog on the web, some are really good. But shorter events often don't, so Arrivee is the only chance to read something about them.
For example, there's plenty of info about the BCM, we don't need yet another writeup about it, but at the time when I signed up for "Momma Mountain Views 137km" there was nothing on the web...
Post by: mattc on 08 December, 2018, 08:13:17 am
I cannot easily dip my toe into an event like that - it's all in! So all information is appreciated.
( It is also IMO one of the better written ride reports in a while. :thumbsup: )
*In reality I very much doubt I will ever fly to Australia, let alone for a brevet, but at least the info is there and the principle applies!
Post by: whosatthewheel on 08 December, 2018, 08:30:30 am
1) the magic properties of titanium (and high end steel) frames
2) Keto Vs Atkins Vs Vegan
3) Is FTP the only number you will ever need?
4) Helmets and high visibility... the jury is out
One of the USP of Arrivee is that it is a fairly "rant free" magazine (helmet saga aside), with a lot of positive and inspiring stories... and so it should be.
Post by: LiamFitz on 09 December, 2018, 08:32:35 am
If I want to know about tubeless tyres or steel frames or everesting, there is a wealth of information available on the internet... that's where I normally go.
Yep - but getting an audaxer's perspective is always good.
Post by: Von Broad on 09 December, 2018, 09:27:38 am
where folks rant forever about utterly pointless things
Isn't that what being a human being is all about? ;D
Post by: arkle on 09 December, 2018, 10:11:42 am
where folks rant forever about utterly pointless things
Isn't that what being a human being is all about? ;D
Ever more it seems, but it's just so tedious ... :(
Post by: whosatthewheel on 09 December, 2018, 10:49:40 am
If I want to know about tubeless tyres or steel frames or everesting, there is a wealth of information available on the internet... that's where I normally go.
Yep - but getting an audaxer's perspective is always good.
I've used them for a 400 and some shorter rides... in a nutshell, they're great when they don't give you problems. Main issues
1) They cost a fortune
2) They last about half the mileage of a decent clincher... every time I approached a couple of thousand miles, the frequency of puncture/spray became unsustainable and it was time for a new tyre
The main (and only) advantage is that they tend to fix small punctures without any bother... the same tiny punctures can result in a massive waste of time on clinchers. I had a microscopic thorn in a tyre which punctured three tubes at the Kidderminster Killer. I wouldn't have noticed anything, had I been on tubeless.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 04:28:17 pm
It's not about what it's easy and what it's hard and it's not even about whether it is Audax or it is not, clearly it is not, but that is immaterial, we had cover prictures of people touring around the world, and that was great.
I am not even saying that Everesting is not interesting, I thought about going up and down Bwlch-Y-Groes myself.
What I am saying is that IT IS NOT a form of long distance cycling, simply because you are not going very far at all and you don't have to face the challenges of long distance cycling, here's a few...
-being stranded with a mechanical a long way from any help
-having to negotiate foul weather a very long way from any shelter
-navigating your way to the next control/village/refuge for the night
-managing your time so that you get to X before the control closes/before it gets dark/before the forecasted storm approaches
-making sure you carry enough food and water until the next control/village/gas station
Since AUK and therefore Arrivee promotes long distance cyling (which is all of the above and more), which is our very own USP, why should it promote Everesting, which is going up and down a mile stretch of road n times and is none of the above? :P
Because it doesn't have to just be going up and down a 1 mile stretch of road. Not to mention that if you wanted to, you could do a 200k DIY by doing 100 out and back runs down a single 1km length of road. Tho you may have to enter it by emailing the orgs, as the form doesn't allow that many controls by default. Conversely, if you could find a hill with say a 2500m total ascent over a 50km length, you could do an Everest attempt as a DIY, with the a start control, the top of the peak as your second control, the base as your 3rd, repeat for a total of 4 circuits. Do that within a 27hr time limit. Bingo, it's an Audax! AAA points too.
I got my copy of awoowoo yesterday, I had a flick through the Everesting article and noticed that while it mentioned doing 89 circuits of the same hill, it didn't say what the total distance covered was. Either that or my quick flick through didn't spot it. If it's a 1 mile hill, and she did it 89 times, that's still 1.6*168 268.8km. Thats an long way! On a bike. Sounds like long distance cycling to me. Just a slightly different take on it.
J
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 04:33:46 pm
I'm sure the editor would welcome more copy from audaxers. I bet a conversation with him might result in a few creative tweaks to tell our stories in a fresh way. He's bound to be interested to hear directly suggestions about topics to cover - he's probably following his instinct about what we'd find interesting so steers on topics and thoughts about how to get them written must be a good idea. Personally, I would love to hear more about adventure racing and how audaxers experience these events, I'd be fascinated to know about some of the technical issues that come up (i'm experimenting with tubeless and would love to know what other people think) and to hear the outcome of the steel vs alloy debate that's been flying around on twitter.
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
J
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 December, 2018, 04:36:10 pm
BTW, I don't think you could do an DIY of 100 out and back laps. My understanding of the rules is that repeated laps are expressly disallowed; but I'll wait for someone who really knows the rules to confirm or refute that for certain.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 04:39:23 pm
She mentioned a total of 125km, so not as far as your guess but still further than some audaxes which get written up in Arrivee. Naish Hill is steep but short, like most of the hills round here. But it's still not an audax, even if the distance is similar. I'm not sure that necessarily disqualifies it from publication in Arrivee though.
I'm looking forward to reading the article fully when I have the chance, it's not an Audax, but it's related to my interest of cycling a long way.
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BTW, I don't think you could do an DIY of 100 out and back laps. My understanding of the rules is that repeated laps are expressly disallowed; but I'll wait for someone who really knows the rules to confirm or refute that for certain.
I'm happy to be wrong about that. I haven't seen that specified anywhere when sorting out DIY's, is it hidden in the regs somewhere?
J
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 December, 2018, 04:44:24 pm
Do read it. I know the hill and vaguely recognise some of the faces. That doesn't mean it's encouraged me to ride the hill! (there is a less steep back way :D)She mentioned a total of 125km, so not as far as your guess but still further than some audaxes which get written up in Arrivee. Naish Hill is steep but short, like most of the hills round here. But it's still not an audax, even if the distance is similar. I'm not sure that necessarily disqualifies it from publication in Arrivee though.
I'm looking forward to reading the article fully when I have the chance, it's not an Audax, but it's related to my interest of cycling a long way.
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Pretty sure I've seen it mentioned a few times but I couldn't point you to chapter and verse. You could always read the regs when you have time and nothing better to do.QuoteBTW, I don't think you could do an DIY of 100 out and back laps. My understanding of the rules is that repeated laps are expressly disallowed; but I'll wait for someone who really knows the rules to confirm or refute that for certain.
I'm happy to be wrong about that. I haven't seen that specified anywhere when sorting out DIY's, is it hidden in the regs somewhere?
J
Even if it were allowed, to me it sounds pretty boring, which is just one of the reasons I'm happy to read about others Everesting but won't be doing it myself.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 04:57:27 pm
Do read it. I know the hill and vaguely recognise some of the faces. That doesn't mean it's encouraged me to ride the hill! (there is a less steep back way :D)
I shall!
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Pretty sure I've seen it mentioned a few times but I couldn't point you to chapter and verse. You could always read the regs when you have time and nothing better to do.
Even if it were allowed, to me it sounds pretty boring, which is just one of the reasons I'm happy to read about others Everesting but won't be doing it myself.
It sounds pretty boring to most people, but then I've heard the same said about cycling in .NL. "But there's no hills, isn't it boring?" "It's so flat, don't you get bored?". And then there is the headwinds. Slog into a 25kph+ headwind for 110km on dead flat roads, in the cold, in the dark... Some might call that a boring nightmare, some might call it type II fun, Randoneurs NL call it "Luctor et Emergo", and that ride is happening again on 2019/11/19...
I've been pondering having a go at an Everesting attempt, as I know that climbing is my weakness, so this would be a way to train for a goal, and perhaps get over my bad experiences with inclines. I've got in my mind a hill to use, it's 16km long, and does about 440m, so I'd have to do 20 circuits. I think that is in the territory of long distance... But I'm wondering if there are better hills out there... Choosing the right hill seems quite important. Too steep and it requires a lot more power to get up the same total height. Too shallow and you're doing a lot of extra distance for the same total height. Choose a hill with good switch backs up and down, and you're in the territory of it's good on the up, but slower on the down, meaning more time awake (Everesting doesn't allow sleeping during an attempt). If you had a perfect 5% hill, and it was 500m, you'd need to do 18 circuits, each of 20km. ~360km. But finding that perfect hill...
If AUK does allow the same bit of road to be used, doing a Everest as a AUK DIY would be an even harder challenge, as now you got a time limit!
J
Post by: Greenbank on 10 December, 2018, 05:08:12 pm
Because it doesn't have to just be going up and down a 1 mile stretch of road. Not to mention that if you wanted to, you could do a 200k DIY by doing 100 out and back runs down a single 1km length of road. Tho you may have to enter it by emailing the orgs, as the form doesn't allow that many controls by default. Conversely, if you could find a hill with say a 2500m total ascent over a 50km length, you could do an Everest attempt as a DIY, with the a start control, the top of the peak as your second control, the base as your 3rd, repeat for a total of 4 circuits. Do that within a 27hr time limit. Bingo, it's an Audax! AAA points too.
No you can't. Routes should not reuse the same roads in the same direction if at all possible, so repeated loops of a single circuit are not possible.
(The "if at all possible" bit is there in case you wanted to use one control as a base and do a bunch of separate loops but there were limited roads to/from that common control. You're OK re-using some roads just as minimally as possible.)
The DIY organiser is the first port of call on whether a route is suitable or not. I wouldn't expect any of the DIY organisers to allow a DIY route with obvious repeated loops. Something like Everesting, which requires the same road to be ridden again and again, is exactly the kind of thing the restriction was put in place to stop.
Don't think it's in the regs, I think the route guidance is part of the Organiser's Handbook (i.e. it was written at a time when DIYs didn't exist.)
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 05:13:30 pm
No you can't. Routes should not reuse the same roads in the same direction if at all possible, so repeated loops of a single circuit are not possible.
(The "if at all possible" bit is there in case you wanted to use one control as a base and do a bunch of separate loops but there were limited roads to/from that common control. You're OK re-using some roads just as minimally as possible.)
The DIY organiser is the first port of call on whether a route is suitable or not. I wouldn't expect any of the DIY organisers to allow a DIY route with obvious repeated loops. Something like Everesting, which requires the same road to be ridden again and again, is exactly the kind of thing the restriction was put in place to stop.
Don't think it's in the regs, I think the route guidance is part of the Organiser's Handbook (i.e. it was written at a time when DIYs didn't exist.)
If it's not in the regs, then surely the diy orgs would be turning down a ride that complies with the letter of the regulations, but does not comply with the spirit of them? Given the ease of auto validation with a GPX now, perhaps it would be worth having it state somewhere on the DIY page that you can't repeat the same roads, as you do above. I've read most of the AUK website (note: auk website does not cure insomnia...), and this is the first I've come across it.
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I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
Agreed...
J
Post by: grams on 10 December, 2018, 05:18:21 pm
If it's not in the regs, then surely the diy orgs would be turning down a ride that complies with the letter of the regulations, but does not comply with the spirit of them?
It is in the regs:
"A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved."
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I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
Yep.
Post by: Greenbank on 10 December, 2018, 05:22:26 pm
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Post by: whosatthewheel on 10 December, 2018, 05:31:29 pm
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 05:32:36 pm
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Any chance we could have this put out in the FAQ? I can't be the only one who's had thoughts like this, and it might save the DIY orgs from having to tell someone that they can't do a ride they've applied for...
J
Post by: Redlight on 10 December, 2018, 07:20:56 pm
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
Who did you email? That doesn't sound like Ged (the managing editor). He's normally very responsive to readers' ideas.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2018, 07:27:27 pm
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
Who did you email? That doesn't sound like Ged (the managing editor). He's normally very responsive to readers' ideas.
and @me.com address I got out the back of the last edition of Awoowoo. Sent from my gmail account.
J
Post by: mattc on 10 December, 2018, 07:38:55 pm
... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinionWhat a drama queen! Some people disagree with you, and now you're spouting stuff like that. Hilarious!
Has Nigel Farage joined AUK? "People don't like me saying this, but ... !"
Post by: Greenbank on 10 December, 2018, 08:02:32 pm
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo (including the cover) for articles like the Everesting one.
I've no problem if AUK promotes/celebrates Everesting.
Everesting may not currently be within the remit of AUK but it's still riding your bike a long way, or not quite such a long way but still a really hilly rides (like 100km rides with lots of AAA).
I think it's closer to the Ordre des Cols Durs (http://www.aukweb.net/ocd/) stuff that AUK joined forces with (or absorbed) a few years ago.
Post by: Kim on 10 December, 2018, 08:17:55 pm
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
That might simply come down to Everesting being more conducive to cover-quality photography than actual long-distance cycling...
I wouldn't worry unless they make a habit of it. Nothing wrong with the occasional article about something other than audax, if nothing else it makes people aware of what this thing people are doing they may not have heard of is all about.
Post by: j_a_m_e_s_ on 10 December, 2018, 08:26:43 pm
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Whilst agreeing with whosatthewheel in that it's just not Audax, I can't really see a reason why AUK couldn't promote this. It is after all long distance. I think Boxhill equates to nearly a 400km event. And it's got a be worth a couple of AAA points right?
It's a shit load of stamps at either end, mind.
Post by: Greenbank on 10 December, 2018, 08:33:36 pm
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Whilst agreeing with Paulo in that it's just not Audax, I can't really see a reason why AUK couldn't promote this. It is after all long distance. I think Boxhill equates to nearly a 400km event. And it's got a be worth a couple of AAA points right?
It's worth 8.75 AAA points at least...
IIRC a certain Audaxer used to do hill repeats in the middle of DIYxGPS rides to increase the amount of AAA points they'd get for a ride. (Personally I don't think this should have been allowed but never bothered voicing a proper concern about it.)
Post by: j_a_m_e_s_ on 10 December, 2018, 08:34:34 pm
Of course I found it just after I made my post. As grams said it's in the regs:
9.8.2 (b) "A route may visit a control more than once, but routes consisting of repeated passes over the same circuit will not normally be approved"
Whilst agreeing with Paulo in that it's just not Audax, I can't really see a reason why AUK couldn't promote this. It is after all long distance. I think Boxhill equates to nearly a 400km event. And it's got a be worth a couple of AAA points right?
It's worth 8.75 AAA points at least...
IIRC a certain Audaxer used to do hill repeats in the middle of DIYxGPS rides to increase the amount of AAA points they'd get for a ride. (Personally I don't think this should have been allowed but never bothered voicing a proper concern about it.)
You'd hope!
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 06:49:03 am
What a drama queen! Some people disagree with you, and now you're spouting stuff like that. Hilarious!
I was referring to a private conversation I had with Arrivee editorial staff... apologies for not making it clear in my post
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 07:18:11 am
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.
I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
That might simply come down to Everesting being more conducive to cover-quality photography than actual long-distance cycling...
I wouldn't worry unless they make a habit of it. Nothing wrong with the occasional article about something other than audax, if nothing else it makes people aware of what this thing people are doing they may not have heard of is all about.
Yes, but does the magazine cover need to be "someone on a bike"? How about a cover showing some volunteers handing out hot food? How about AUK promoted volunteering as something "cool", rather than Everesting?
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
Post by: LiamFitz on 11 December, 2018, 08:54:43 am
I emailed asking about how to submit an article and whether an idea I had would be suitable. I never got a reply, not even a thank you for your interest, but that isn't what we have in mind... I'm assuming it got eaten by a spam filter somewhere.
Who did you email? That doesn't sound like Ged (the managing editor). He's normally very responsive to readers' ideas.
and @me.com address I got out the back of the last edition of Awoowoo. Sent from my gmail account.
J
Do give it another try - it would be a shame if you were discouraged.
Loads of cracking thoughts being expressed here... I really think it would make the mag even better if people pinged Ged with their suggestions (and even better... putting their hands up to draft the copy)
Post by: LiamFitz on 11 December, 2018, 08:57:34 am
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would love to read that article... have you thought of writing it? I don't think it would take you much research - asking around a few of your favourite events might also result in some nice pictures...
Go for it while the cold keeps you indoors
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 09:57:18 am
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would love to read that article... have you thought of writing it? I don't think it would take you much research - asking around a few of your favourite events might also result in some nice pictures...
Go for it while the cold keeps you indoors
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 December, 2018, 10:38:14 am
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
It's just another aspirational image featuring a young woman and her pretty bike - that's the third one in succession, I'm sick of them. As someone who is part of AUK's main demographic (neither young nor female) I feel alienated.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 11 December, 2018, 11:48:16 am
It's just another aspirational image featuring a young woman and her pretty bike - that's the third one in succession, I'm sick of them. As someone who is part of AUK's main demographic (neither young nor female) I feel alienated.
Seeing someone who's kinda like me, doing the thing that I love, rather than all the other pictures of men on bikes, seeing the odd photo of a woman on a bike doing something awesome makes me feel like maybe I am welcome as part of this club. I remember when I got my first copy of an awoowoo, I flicked through and counted the number of photos that included a woman cyclist, it was not a good number.
Three covers with women on them. Has anyone taken a look at all of the Arrivée/awoowoo covers to see how many since it started feature a woman?
J
Post by: LiamFitz on 11 December, 2018, 01:02:53 pm
I would say the heroes of AUK are not those who rack up hundreds of points and awards or have the luxury of time and money to travel around the world on a bicycle, but rather those who make Audax events happen.
I would love to read that article... have you thought of writing it? I don't think it would take you much research - asking around a few of your favourite events might also result in some nice pictures...
Go for it while the cold keeps you indoors
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
That's what an editor is for... perhaps there's an interview idea in there... you never know unless you send it in. I'm shite at riding a bike but i still do it!
Post by: LiamFitz on 11 December, 2018, 01:09:15 pm
I definitely think there's a place in Awoowoo for articles like the Everesting one.I never questioned the article... I questioned the cover. I don't care about the content, if I am not interested, I don't read it (I didn't read the article yet). Conversely, the cover of a magazine is there to promote or celebrate something... should AUK promote or celebrate Everesting?... I think not, but that's my (apparently wrong) opinion
It's just another aspirational image featuring a young woman and her pretty bike - that's the third one in succession, I'm sick of them. As someone who is part of AUK's main demographic (neither young nor female) I feel alienated.
I really hope that's a joke...
Post by: Banjo on 11 December, 2018, 01:20:55 pm
A mild annoyance was that the tops of some pages were still joined to other pages so needed cutting along the top to be able to separate pages without tearing them. Don't know if my copy was a one off or if they were all the same . Spoils what is a really professional looking publication.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 01:50:39 pm
I'm shite at riding a bike but i still do it!
You are, but I still give you kudos on Strava, because I am nice... :thumbsup:
Post by: citoyen on 11 December, 2018, 02:03:17 pm
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 02:07:00 pm
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I just find it a bit flat and boring...
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 December, 2018, 04:58:34 pm
No one expects you to be Flaubert.
Although he was a master of brevity.
Post by: Whitedown Man on 11 December, 2018, 05:06:19 pm
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
His “Memoirs Of A Madman” was about Mille Cymru, so I believe
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 05:10:28 pm
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
His “Memoirs Of A Madman” was about Mille Cymru, so I believe
Either that or the Brevet Cymru + Porkers combo
Post by: frankly frankie on 11 December, 2018, 05:27:58 pm
Three covers with women on them. Has anyone taken a look at all of the Arrivée/awoowoo covers to see how many since it started feature a woman?
Depends what you mean by "feature" but - discarding shots of bunches that include women but nobody "features" - this century we have had these:
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a070.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a075.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a082.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a084.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a093.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a097.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a098.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a101.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a102.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a117.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a119.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a121.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a123.jpg) (https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a124.jpg)
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a126.jpg)
Post by: quixoticgeek on 11 December, 2018, 05:31:26 pm
Three covers with women on them. Has anyone taken a look at all of the Arrivée/awoowoo covers to see how many since it started feature a woman?
Depends what you mean by "feature" but - discarding shots of bunches that include women but nobody "features" - this century we have had these:
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I make that 15. If it's this century, that's 18 years, 4 per year. 15/72. or 20.8%.
J
Post by: citoyen on 11 December, 2018, 06:37:16 pm
I make that 15. If it's this century, that's 18 years, 4 per year. 15/72. or 20.8%.
Which, to be fair, is a darn sight more than the mainstream cycling press.
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
By the way, I believe the two women on the cover of issue 117 are mother-daughter, which surely has to be worth bonus points?
Post by: citoyen on 11 December, 2018, 06:42:41 pm
Post by: whosatthewheel on 11 December, 2018, 07:07:20 pm
(https://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a075.jpg)
Familiar stretch of road... B6270 in Birkdale, heading towards Nateby?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 December, 2018, 07:58:28 pm
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I failed to figure out the submission progress, I'd consider adjusting my blog write up for "Kingdom Come" the other weekend to suit AwooWoo if only I knew what was expected of submissions.
I'm not entirely sure doing a 400 in December, discovering both McDonalds to be rammed, taking a dump in the bushes and/or the disaster that is the only ATM in town not saying where it is would be of interest to the general audience though.
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 December, 2018, 06:27:04 am
I'm not entirely sure doing a 400 in December, discovering both McDonalds to be rammed, taking a dump in the bushes and/or the disaster that is the only ATM in town not saying where it is would be of interest to the general audience though.
Unlike most, I am rarely interested in sleek success... stories of misery and failure on the other hand... :thumbsup:
Post by: hillbilly on 12 December, 2018, 09:54:01 am
I have written a piece about the all experience of volunteering with great people at MC1K last summer... but it's shit, so I don't think I will send it to Arrivee... I just can't write "non technical" stuff... ::-)
This is a common misconception people have - that their writing isn't good enough for Arrivée - so they don't submit. Thing is, Arrivée is all about the quality of the stories, not the quality of the writing. No one expects you to be Flaubert.
But if you want help polishing up your piece, just ask...
I failed to figure out the submission progress, I'd consider adjusting my blog write up for "Kingdom Come" the other weekend to suit AwooWoo if only I knew what was expected of submissions.
I'm not entirely sure doing a 400 in December, discovering both McDonalds to be rammed, taking a dump in the bushes and/or the disaster that is the only ATM in town not saying where it is would be of interest to the general audience though.
If written in the right way, it could actually be quite informative. I suspect several more experienced hands looking for new challenges have toyed with the idea of a winter 400 or 600, even if they realise it is a form of madness.
I'd go further and say that members of the organisation should prefer this type of tale which gets no outlet in the mainstream media. As opposed to everesting, which is the type of fluff that Cycling Plus and their ilk would happily pick up as they can attach placed products to it (he types cynically).
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2018, 10:28:33 am
Post by: citoyen on 12 December, 2018, 10:42:54 am
Fit the best!
What does that mean?
(one for fans of Radcliffe & Maconie)
Post by: aidan.f on 12 December, 2018, 11:39:17 am
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 December, 2018, 11:47:33 am
This Awoowoo thread sums up AUK. Do you remain an organisation with a certain amount of exclusivity because of the activities you promote or do you try to broaden appeal and run the risk of losing direction and core membership (volunteer) loyalty? I know, yes, it's been said before, but there is nothing wrong, and a lot good for having hard boundaries as part of your U.S.P.
Indeed.
It seems to me bizarre to have ridiculously dogmatic rules about which events can be validated and which ones can't, but then put up a cover about something which is the exact opposite.
However, the key is here: I was told Arrivee is not a magazine about Audax, but it is a magazine about AUK members, who happen to do a lot of other activities, Everesting being one of them.
Post by: grams on 12 December, 2018, 01:00:06 pm
I don't know why you're wishing for it to be duller.
Post by: LiamFitz on 12 December, 2018, 01:00:42 pm
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
With a bit of luck we'll have close to a 50:50 split on LWL next May.
Post by: Karla on 12 December, 2018, 01:24:18 pm
I make that 15. If it's this century, that's 18 years, 4 per year. 15/72. or 20.8%.
Which, to be fair, is a darn sight more than the mainstream cycling press.
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
It also needs to be adjusted for FF's discounted group shots.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 December, 2018, 01:39:31 pm
Post by: Kim on 12 December, 2018, 02:06:32 pm
If Arrivee covers over-represent anything, it's climbing. That's inevitable given the difficulty of taking a decent portrait shot of riding on the flat. It's also the reason why recumbents don't make the cover.
Laidback Cyclist seems to manage it (http://www.bhpc.org.uk/magazine.aspx) (discounting the many shots of stationary cycles, which reflect an engineering focus Awoowoo doesn't have). Of course, they over-represent bikes leaning into corners at speed, because *that's* where it's easy to get good photos at track races.
I'd assume the lack of good audax recumbent photos is more to do with them being relatively uncommon, and somewhat less likely to be in the main bunch (particularly at a climbing-based photo opportunity).
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2018, 02:48:53 pm
It's a magazine of stuff that might be interesting to AUK members. Doesn't even have to be about cycling.
I don't know why you're wishing for it to be duller.
AUK is a broad church - we need to cater for the very dull too!
Post by: whosatthewheel on 12 December, 2018, 05:30:02 pm
Also probably over-representative if the number of women I see on audaxes is anything to go by.
With a bit of luck we'll have close to a 50:50 split on LWL next May.
Congrats... I need to improve on my 15% for BRUM 200
Post by: LiamFitz on 12 December, 2018, 06:10:35 pm
It's a magazine of stuff that might be interesting to AUK members. Doesn't even have to be about cycling.
I don't know why you're wishing for it to be duller.
AUK is a broad church - we need to cater for the very dull too!
In fact we're long overdue pull out and keep specials on the correct font sizes for printing the AUK regs and alternatives to the coding conventions of route sheets (but it is winter and there's time to write them...)
Post by: andyoxon on 14 December, 2018, 10:47:23 am
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...
Post by: whosatthewheel on 14 December, 2018, 10:56:36 am
What the chances of a having a regular Q&A section in Arrivee? Qs in from members, answers from a panel of experienced audaxers...
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...
Forums are much better...
imagine the scenario... Mr A posts a question to the editor in October, so that he can have an answer in December, all being well. By then, he has probably browsed the web extensively and found the info he was looking for
I also suspect a lot of answers based on personal experience are just that... personal experience... is it transferrable? Sometimes, other times not
Post by: mattc on 14 December, 2018, 11:01:10 am
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...Just ANY details of the actual facts/logistics of events would be handy in most cases! *
But of course it is more work for the editors :-\
*Someone will no doubt tell me to Just Google It. But why have a printed article in the first place??
Post by: andyoxon on 14 December, 2018, 11:11:00 am
What the chances of a having a regular Q&A section in Arrivee? Qs in from members, answers from a panel of experienced audaxers...
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...
Forums are much better...
imagine the scenario... Mr A posts a question to the editor in October, so that he can have an answer in December, all being well. By then, he has probably browsed the web extensively and found the info he was looking for
I also suspect a lot of answers based on personal experience are just that... personal experience... is it transferrable? Sometimes, other times not
In spite of the available online resources, I still think the Q&A in Cycle is a good peruse with Qs to lawyer, medic, tech expert, just thought an audax specific version would be good for Arrivee. However I guess if it was going to be a useful, popular, regular inclusion it would have happened by now... ;)
Post by: andyoxon on 14 December, 2018, 11:20:52 am
And, would be nice to have a route map graphic inset for the ride articles...Just ANY details of the actual facts/logistics of events would be handy in most cases! *
But of course it is more work for the editors :-\
*Someone will no doubt tell me to Just Google It. But why have a printed article in the first place??
Yes. I guess members sending articles in could be encouraged to include a certain style map graphic/summary info, perhaps they already are. Some of the images in arrivee are very large*, and could easily accomodate additional infographic insets. Good to see a list of ridewithgps links in the Hummers article - this did make me wonder if this could also be encoded into a phone QR / matrix barcode.**
*some too large for the image resolution, as it happens.
**what? too much?
Post by: grams on 14 December, 2018, 01:59:08 pm
Post by: Redlight on 11 January, 2019, 10:27:30 am
Copy deadline for the next issue is next Friday, 18th January, if anyone would like to offer contributions, including photos.
Worth emailing the editor, gedlennox@me.com, to let him know something is on the way.
Post by: LiamFitz on 14 January, 2019, 01:57:25 pm
Post by: Redlight on 14 January, 2019, 08:50:31 pm
I hope some of the ideas on this tread make it into print...
They will if some of the people suggesting them get writing....
Post by: Tull924 on 12 March, 2019, 11:09:34 am
Also a massive "well done" to Shaun Hargreaves for the results outlined in the fixed wheel section, super impressive!
Post by: Wobbly on 12 March, 2019, 11:16:31 am
It's currently drying out on a radiator. Once dry I'm intrigued by the presence of a bear on the front cover.
Post by: frankly frankie on 12 March, 2019, 12:40:15 pm
Post by: Ian H on 12 March, 2019, 12:59:18 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
All it needs is a glass of whisky in its paw. ;)
Post by: hellymedic on 12 March, 2019, 01:31:30 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
;D ;D
Post by: ElyDave on 12 March, 2019, 02:49:02 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
All it needs is a glass of whisky in its paw. ;)
There's whisky on page 43 :P
Post by: Jaded on 12 March, 2019, 03:08:35 pm
I guess I should do something with my lapsed membership. :-[
Post by: bhoot on 12 March, 2019, 03:24:45 pm
This is the first time I've not had an Awoowoo in about 10 years.
I guess I should do something with my lapsed membership. :-[
Indeed, all returners welcome (and I do have a stash of Awoowoos ready for despatching to prodigal daughters and sons)
Post by: mattc on 12 March, 2019, 03:27:07 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 12 March, 2019, 05:17:32 pm
I see we have a 'guest' editor who stepped into the breach following his brother's encounter with g forces. Great show of brotherly love and technical ability.
GWS Ged! Thanks Tony!
Post by: Tull924 on 12 March, 2019, 07:25:50 pm
Post by: ElyDave on 12 March, 2019, 07:38:13 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 13 March, 2019, 09:59:48 am
Post by: citoyen on 13 March, 2019, 11:01:00 am
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;D
I assumed you meant an hirsute homosexual audaxer of larger build, until I saw my copy when I got home last night...
Post by: Ivan on 13 March, 2019, 12:30:44 pm
Post by: arabella on 13 March, 2019, 04:07:00 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
Post by: Whitedown Man on 13 March, 2019, 04:20:51 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 13 March, 2019, 04:21:42 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :p
J
Post by: bhoot on 13 March, 2019, 04:40:28 pm
According to the stats on page 3 AUK lost 900 members - more than 10% - at the end of last year. How many of them as a result of the IT debacle and the Board’s subsequent contemptuous treatment of ordinary members I wonder?(with membership secretary hat on)
I am not usually privy to the reason members decide not to renew their membership. A few kindly do write to tell me and there are some common explanations such as moving from the UK, being injured or getting too old to ride, pursuing other forms of cycling or even (perish the thought) other hobbies and sports. Some just forget, and some of those then remember and renew late. I expect a few who are prompted by a failure of Arrivee to arrive will check their membership and realise it has lapsed.
However the number that lapsed this year is no different to any other year, there is a significant turnover of members each year. What I do know is that we have around 550 more members now than we did at the same date in 2018.
Post by: telstarbox on 13 March, 2019, 06:07:33 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 13 March, 2019, 06:12:36 pm
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
J
Same was true of me when I rode though someone did snap me hugging Noel at the end of the Great Eastern...
Post by: mattc on 13 March, 2019, 06:18:58 pm
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI think I've been in two* full-page photos. Both were on 1000k+ rides that I finished with under 30mins in hand.
*This has taken many years to rack up, so hush your moaning
Post by: alfapete on 13 March, 2019, 07:04:08 pm
According to the stats on page 3 AUK lost 900 members - more than 10% - at the end of last year. How many of them as a result of the IT debacle and the Board’s subsequent contemptuous treatment of ordinary members I wonder?(with membership secretary hat on)
Some just forget, and some of those then remember and renew late. I expect a few who are prompted by a failure of Arrivee to arrive will check their membership and realise it has lapsed.
However the number that lapsed this year is no different to any other year, there is a significant turnover of members each year.
Direct debit has to be the way to go (and I know you've got plans on this, bhoot)
Then they won't forget to renew, they'll forget to cancel instead and I'm sure there'll be a much smaller number dropping off each year. And a good number will probably forget they ever joined up in the first place!
Post by: damerell on 13 March, 2019, 07:40:16 pm
Some just forget, and some of those then remember and renew late. I expect a few who are prompted by a failure of Arrivee to arrive will check their membership and realise it has lapsed.
Oddly I've got the opposite problem; the arrival of Arrivee leaves me wondering if I somehow accidentally renewed my membership.
Post by: FifeingEejit on 13 March, 2019, 08:08:03 pm
We use GoCardless for Direct Debit based payment that's considerably cheaper than using PayPal, the down side being it's DD only so no Credit Card payment.
Post by: mattc on 13 March, 2019, 08:08:31 pm
Oddly I've got the opposite problem; the arrival of Arrivee leaves me wondering if I somehow accidentally renewed my membership.... to Bears Monthly
Post by: cygnet on 13 March, 2019, 08:19:54 pm
Hope they didn't "waste" too much of our hard earned subs :P
Post by: LiamFitz on 13 March, 2019, 08:28:03 pm
... to Bears Monthly
Probably not a website you want to look for on the work computer
Post by: alfapete on 13 March, 2019, 08:36:49 pm
Nice to see an interview with Helen Wyman, great to see Awoowoo reaching out beyond audax again.
Hope they didn't "waste" too much of our hard earned subs :P
We offered her space to promote her cycling training courses in France but she was so busy at the end of her final season that they never quite managed to put an ad together before the deadline arrived.
So the 'fee' is simply a free copy of the mag (she'll be thrilled!).
Post by: cygnet on 13 March, 2019, 08:52:20 pm
Post by: Kim on 13 March, 2019, 09:11:33 pm
Oi, I resemble that remark... And I'm so far back there's noone to take the photos :pI complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
J
Same was true of me when I rode though someone did snap me hugging Noel at the end of the Great Eastern...
Ditto, and I'm endeavouring to slog along near the back of some actual audaxes this year.
Post by: Redlight on 13 March, 2019, 09:48:29 pm
I complained loudly about a succession of 'aspirational' cover shots featuring fit young women - the editorial response is a photo of a grumpy-looking bear ;D ;Dyeah, where are all the slightly dumpy middle aged women slogging along near the back? In a dozen or so years of arrivée I don't recall seeing any (but icbw)
Lots of AUK photographers have attempted to get that shot but have been thwarted by the large groups of portly middle aged men just in front of their desired subject, grinning inanely.
Post by: Phil W on 13 March, 2019, 10:22:13 pm
Post by: Redlight on 14 March, 2019, 07:36:48 am
Next edition, the bear necessities of Audax .
If we could work out how to run an urban Audax on the same date and route as the world naked bike ride..... :o
Post by: bhoot on 14 March, 2019, 08:37:24 am
Post by: Phil W on 14 March, 2019, 08:48:46 am
Post by: Kangaroocourt on 14 March, 2019, 03:35:11 pm
Redlight is a marsupial.Oi! I resemble that remark ;D
Post by: Chris S on 14 March, 2019, 10:02:42 pm
But where would you put your brevet card?
On a tandem, I guess the stoker has some options...
Post by: bludger on 15 March, 2019, 06:45:39 am
Post by: telstarbox on 17 March, 2019, 11:20:43 am
Post by: S2L on 17 March, 2019, 11:52:43 am
The author was legitimately scared, as I would be, but generally speaking, black bears are not aggressive and definitively not man eaters... they are not even carnivores, one could say they are almost vegan, if it wasn't for the odd insect (and a love of honey!).
There is an inaccuracy about bear spray... it's not the smell that is foul to a bear, but more the fact that having the active ingredient of a scotch bonnet sprayed through your nostrils is likely to send you running a mile... whether you are a bear or else... the same product is repackaged in smaller cans to deter rapists.
I once witnessed a black bear, not far from Radium Hot Springs in BC... from the safety of my hired car... he went trough a field a dandelions as if it was cake... couldn't get enough of them.
BTW: I don't think the bear on the cover is a grizzly. I am more inclined to think it's still a black bear with a cinnamon fur, which is quite a common variant in North America.
Post by: psyclist on 17 March, 2019, 02:22:50 pm
They are not as dangerous as grizzly bears, but with 23 deaths attributable to black bears between 1900 and 1980 in the US (half the number from grizzlies), they are certainly worth being cautious around. Indeed, 80% of deaths and major injuries inflicted by black bears are predatory in nature ... ie they are treating you as prey.
It is certainly worth understanding bear behaviour (as much as we can understand their sometimes unpredictable behaviour), and being prepared for bear encounters when in their territory.
Post by: bhoot on 18 March, 2019, 10:48:44 am
Don't seem to have my copy yet ☹️Just a quick reminder to Bludger and anyone else who hasn't received their copy, please contact me on membership@audax.uk (with your real name/number!) and I can check/resend the magazine as needed.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 18 March, 2019, 10:34:04 pm
My awoowoo arrived today. Looking forward to reading it.
J
Post by: halhorner on 15 June, 2019, 02:44:26 pm
Post by: Ben T on 15 June, 2019, 05:16:25 pm
Post by: Redlight on 15 June, 2019, 05:29:35 pm
Ah, arrivée, that reminds me, could someone please tell me what is the correct email address to send any ride reports in please. Or if the person who does it is on here could they please pm me as to whether they got my email or not. Have sent one in but no idea if to the right place as never got a reply, although wouldn't have expected it to be in this one as it wasn't that long ago. Cheers.
Ged Lennox is the editor - gedlennox@me.com
Post by: Ian H on 17 June, 2019, 11:20:59 am
Post by: quixoticgeek on 18 June, 2019, 03:36:05 pm
My copy of awoowoo has just arrived in Amsterdam. Am looking forward to curling up with a mug of tea and having a read!
J
Post by: markldn on 10 July, 2019, 11:05:19 pm
Having just read the book ‘Bear Attacks: their causes and avoidance’, I would contest your viewpoint on black bears.
They are not as dangerous as grizzly bears, but with 23 deaths attributable to black bears between 1900 and 1980 in the US (half the number from grizzlies), they are certainly worth being cautious around. Indeed, 80% of deaths and major injuries inflicted by black bears are predatory in nature ... ie they are treating you as prey.
It is certainly worth understanding bear behaviour (as much as we can understand their sometimes unpredictable behaviour), and being prepared for bear encounters when in their territory.
If anyone finds themselves riding next to me happy to share lessons picked up on bear defence riding across Canada (thankfully second hand). It was a black bear my WarmShower host ...stabbed in the face... saving his coworker’s life. Incredible story of heroism.
Post by: markldn on 10 July, 2019, 11:07:44 pm
Post by: Phil W on 10 July, 2019, 11:10:16 pm
Post by: markldn on 11 July, 2019, 11:24:03 pm
You don't have to wear helmets for PBP or riding in France. You can still be cool 8)
Rats! Now another thing to contemplate wrt equipment!
Don’t suppose they close the roads for this do they
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 July, 2019, 11:27:29 pm
Post by: LiamFitz on 12 July, 2019, 07:48:23 am
No, open roads but lots of (tired) bike riders outnumbering the motor vehicles.
...and most of them sitting on your back wheel as I recall.
Post by: markldn on 12 July, 2019, 09:53:14 am
No, open roads but lots of (tired) bike riders outnumbering the motor vehicles.
...and most of them sitting on your back wheel as I recall.
lol
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 July, 2019, 12:11:00 pm
Post by: Danu on 12 July, 2019, 01:08:41 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 July, 2019, 02:46:08 pm
Post by: Redlight on 01 October, 2019, 09:51:55 am
The next issue will be in mid-November, so contributions are urgently required. Non-PBP stories will be particularly welcomed!
As always, good quality photos are needed too.
The editor is gedlennox@me.com
Post by: bludger on 01 October, 2019, 01:38:34 pm
Post by: madcow on 01 October, 2019, 02:32:57 pm
Don't think that I'll give up the day job just yet.
Post by: Phil W on 01 October, 2019, 02:35:42 pm
Post by: nigeld on 01 October, 2019, 04:06:40 pm
Nice article from QG. It takes guts to revist the scene of a failure, and turn it into such a resounding success the second time.Superb article: I found it gripping to read.
Thank you for writing it, QG, and well done and chapeau on the actual ride!.
Post by: FifeingEejit on 01 October, 2019, 06:53:28 pm
Quite interesting reading over something you've written after it's been edited a few months later and aren't totally sure whats been added for interest by the editor. :)
thanks Redlight :thumbsup:
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 October, 2019, 07:53:59 pm
Post by: telstarbox on 01 October, 2019, 08:50:52 pm
Post by: andyoxon on 02 October, 2019, 07:42:54 am
My son just had a look at it with his graphic design eyes in.
...
OOI I wonder if he could guess what the title of the magazine was by looking at the front cover... ;)
Mine arrived yesterday - looking forward to having a read... :)
Post by: Ian H on 02 October, 2019, 10:20:11 pm
The full version is here: http://www.ukcyclist.co.uk/reports-articles
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 03 October, 2019, 04:44:35 pm
Post by: Zed43 on 10 October, 2019, 05:41:11 pm
Post by: slugbait on 10 October, 2019, 06:29:11 pm
Just curious, did anyone who's living in the Netherlands (or other non-UK country) receive their Arrivée yet?
Hasn't arrived here yet
Post by: bhoot on 10 October, 2019, 07:44:25 pm
Any other overseas feedback welcome please.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 October, 2019, 08:27:02 pm
Wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while. It usually arrives after this thread has died down from the locals receiving and discussing it...
J
Post by: bhoot on 15 October, 2019, 09:30:43 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 15 October, 2019, 09:34:44 pm
Have any overseas members received theirs yet? Particularly interested in feedback from the Netherlands as I now have a couple of reports of non-delivery and before resending I just want to see if we have a generic problem I need to take up with the printer before I spend lots of AUK money on sending them again.
Still nothing in Amsterdam.
J
Post by: slugbait on 16 October, 2019, 07:48:25 pm
Have any overseas members received theirs yet? Particularly interested in feedback from the Netherlands as I now have a couple of reports of non-delivery and before resending I just want to see if we have a generic problem I need to take up with the printer before I spend lots of AUK money on sending them again.
Still nothing in Amsterdam.
J
Same here, but I would be okay with AUK sending a pdf (or another format most people can view) to members residing in the Netherlands for this issue. It seems wasteful to send another physical copy. It'll probably show up eventually, anyway.
But the issue should be resolved for future issues.
Post by: bhoot on 17 October, 2019, 12:30:27 pm
Please pass the word around if you know any other overseas members, also feedback to confirm receipt would be appreciated.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 October, 2019, 04:54:58 pm
Excellent news.
Thanks!
J
Post by: Zed43 on 19 October, 2019, 01:16:30 pm
Peter
Post by: marcusjb on 19 October, 2019, 03:48:58 pm
I suspect my copy has fallen somewhere in between the cracks of changing my address and mail forwarding kicking in etc.
I don’t need a paper copy, but just went looking online, but equally, I never know which AUK website to use for what.
Anyone got a link to the latest issue?
Post by: S2L on 19 October, 2019, 05:16:22 pm
Has publishing them online stopped these days?
I suspect my copy has fallen somewhere in between the cracks of changing my address and mail forwarding kicking in etc.
I don’t need a paper copy, but just went looking online, but equally, I never know which AUK website to use for what.
Anyone got a link to the latest issue?
Online issues haven't been updated since 2017. There is a thread on the AUK forum, if you want to know more
Post by: slugbait on 19 October, 2019, 09:38:34 pm
Was delivered to my (Dutch) mailbox this morning :) Thanks for looking into the matter Caroline!
Peter
Arrived here as well
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 October, 2019, 11:46:56 pm
Got home to find an envelope with Awoowoo on the outside, so I'm guessing it my copy. I've not been awake enough to open it yet.
J
Post by: bhoot on 30 November, 2019, 10:20:44 pm
Asks nervously hoping that the mailing all went smoothly....
Post by: quixoticgeek on 30 November, 2019, 10:21:46 pm
It has hasn't it?
Asks nervously hoping that the mailing all went smoothly....
Mine was in the mailbox today.
J
Post by: bludger on 30 November, 2019, 10:24:17 pm
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
Post by: quixoticgeek on 30 November, 2019, 10:35:27 pm
I've got mine - it's another great issue.
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
What's that in a real unit?
J
Post by: JonB on 30 November, 2019, 10:44:58 pm
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
Post by: quixoticgeek on 30 November, 2019, 10:46:53 pm
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
I was actually hoping for metres of development. But 50 x 15, I can kinda understand.
J
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 November, 2019, 11:25:28 pm
50x15 on what size of tyre?What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe
J
Nominal 700x23c?
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
Post by: damerell on 01 December, 2019, 12:32:09 am
1" gear = pi inches development = (0.0254 * pi) metres development. Hence, 7.18 metres development.I've got mine - it's another great issue.What's that in a real unit?
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
Post by: tonyh on 01 December, 2019, 06:54:48 am
Post by: mattc on 01 December, 2019, 08:01:58 am
I've got mine - it's another great issue.Sorry, non-Audax digression:
My dad refuses to believe someone did PBP with a 90" gear ;D
Does he know about the russian guy on TPR??
End
Post by: Ian H on 01 December, 2019, 08:59:15 am
Post by: quixoticgeek on 01 December, 2019, 10:49:44 am
My old friend, an auk and PBP ancienne of some note, asks where all the entertaining articles, self-deprecating and humorous, have gone; says it seems to be all po-faced macho description nowadays. Perhaps those silly Rapha films have had an influence.
"Po-faced macho" - Are we reading the same magazine? Do you feel this applies to all the articles in the last 2 editions?
J
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 December, 2019, 11:14:04 am
Isn’t there a truism that there are only seven types of stories in the whole world:
Overcoming the Monster.
Rags to Riches.
The Quest.
Voyage and Return.
Rebirth.
Comedy.
Tragedy.
The interesting part for voracious readers is how those stories are written.
Post by: Ruthie on 01 December, 2019, 01:10:23 pm
Post by: Manotea on 01 December, 2019, 04:35:20 pm
A few years back I was riding Offa's Dyke 600. Had a bit of a 'mare on day one and got back to base at 400km around 6am. Had an hour's sleep and woke up to find the rain hammering down. I was just about to set out for the last 200 when Steve came in sans shoes carrying a wheel. He had got about three miles down the road, punctured and discovered he left his tyre levers at home, so ran back to base through the rain, with the wheel, in his socks cos you cannot run in road shoes. As it happens a large part of the field had already packed because, er, it was raining. Not Steve. Well 'ard!
Post by: S2L on 01 December, 2019, 04:54:56 pm
A great front page, though.
A few years back I was riding Offa's Dyke 600. Had a bit of a 'mare on day one and got back to base at 400km around 6am. Had an hour's sleep and woke up to find the rain hammering down. I was just about to set out for the last 200 when Steve came in sans shoes carrying a wheel. He had got about three miles down the road, punctured and discovered he left his tyre levers at home, so ran back to base through the rain, with the wheel, in his socks cos you cannot run in road shoes. As it happens a large part of the field had already packed because, er, it was raining. Not Steve. Well 'ard!
Interesting... last time I spoke to Undulates he told me one of the reason he wanted to shorten that brevet is that everybody packed up after 400 km... ;D
Post by: Ivan on 01 December, 2019, 05:12:56 pm
Post by: rob on 01 December, 2019, 05:28:32 pm
Post by: 3peaker on 01 December, 2019, 05:43:53 pm
A great front page, though.
A few years back I was riding Offa's Dyke 600. Had a bit of a 'mare on day one and got back to base at 400km around 6am. Had an hour's sleep and woke up to find the rain hammering down. I was just about to set out for the last 200 when Steve came in sans shoes carrying a wheel. He had got about three miles down the road, punctured and discovered he left his tyre levers at home, so ran back to base through the rain, with the wheel, in his socks cos you cannot run in road shoes. As it happens a large part of the field had already packed because, er, it was raining. Not Steve. Well 'ard!
4 Jun 2011: That Offas Dyke over the Gospel Pass enabled my Bakers Dozen as I also rode either my Perm or Calendar GP200; thanks for the wheel reminder; should have included it in the RRTY story. Ged manipulated the pic I use here!
Post by: hellymedic on 01 December, 2019, 05:49:31 pm
What's that in a real unit?Do you mean in cog sizes? Around 50 x 15, it's massive although having cycled with Jonah (on fixed) around Mille Pennines, I believe :thumbsup:
J
I was actually hoping for metres of development. But 50 x 15, I can kinda understand.
J
Metres of development = pi x gear inches/39.37 so about 7.2 metres, which is a LOT...
Post by: Ian H on 01 December, 2019, 07:15:10 pm
Metres of development = pi x gear inches/39.37 so about 7.2 metres, which is a LOT...
Yeah... but what's that in inches?
Post by: hellymedic on 01 December, 2019, 07:21:44 pm
Post by: Ian H on 01 December, 2019, 07:42:55 pm
90 X pi, divided by 39.37...
No need to shout.
;)
Post by: Phil W on 01 December, 2019, 09:16:27 pm
90 X pi, divided by 39.37...
Why are you dividing by the number of inches in a metre if you want the inches development? Surely it's just 90 X PI?
Post by: Martin on 01 December, 2019, 09:47:09 pm
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
It's not the editor writing the articles it's the riders. I don't think there was anything po-faced in the last article I wrote, I always try to celebrate the events and the helpers above all else
Post by: perpetual dan on 01 December, 2019, 09:52:21 pm
Post by: Karla on 02 December, 2019, 02:07:36 am
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
Probably because my article didn't get in ;)
Post by: Manotea on 02 December, 2019, 08:11:54 am
I had an article rejected about this time last year, I.e. in the run up to the AGM, on the grounds that it 'might be read by non-members'.
That was not an editorial decision...
Post by: Von Broad on 02 December, 2019, 08:15:16 am
I've been enjoying my copy today.
I don't often wish I was 70, but I was rather curious about the call for audax volunteers aged between the ages of 70-80 to take part in a study at Nottingham University.
"Participants well be required to cycle while lying in an MRI scanner".
Water off a ducks back for recumbent riders. Probably not great in numbers though!
Anybody interested?
Post by: Redlight on 02 December, 2019, 09:01:44 am
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
Probably because my article didn't get in ;)
Have you had confirmation from Ged that it was received?
Post by: tonyh on 02 December, 2019, 09:04:59 am
In some of my early copies riders sent poetry in. Rather different to self-depracating, more intentional whimsy.
Be careful - I might submit my "Ode to a Stronger Rider" (distantly related to "Ode to a Nightingale") !
Post by: perpetual dan on 02 December, 2019, 09:19:54 am
I don't often wish I was 70,...
Yes! I'd be up for a go in that, but a while to wait yet.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Post by: tonyh on 02 December, 2019, 09:28:00 am
Anybody interested?
Thanks VB, good to draw attention to that. Page 3.
(I do wish I was 70)
Post by: Phil W on 02 December, 2019, 06:34:07 pm
Post by: Von Broad on 02 December, 2019, 07:30:21 pm
Anybody interested?
Thanks VB, good to draw attention to that. Page 3.
(I do wish I was 70)
Get yourself signed up Tony.
We look forward to hearing all about it :-)
Post by: mattc on 02 December, 2019, 08:04:54 pm
Mine arrived earlier this week. In my pile to read with the BMC summit magazine.Funny you mention that ...
I've just got my 1st issue of Summit. It's like a different world! Totally unfair to make comparisons, but a MUCH more interesting read.
(and it has a lovely cycle-touring article O:-) )
Post by: Redlight on 02 December, 2019, 09:58:01 pm
Mine arrived earlier this week. In my pile to read with the BMC summit magazine.Funny you mention that ...
I've just got my 1st issue of Summit. It's like a different world! Totally unfair to make comparisons, but a MUCH more interesting read.
(and it has a lovely cycle-touring article O:-) )
I don't know that magazine. Is it also written entirely by readers and designed and edited by members working for considerably less than their professional rates?
Post by: LiamFitz on 04 December, 2019, 05:23:58 pm
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
I think the articles are written by us - I think the editor works with what he's sent.
Post by: Blade on 04 December, 2019, 11:28:21 pm
I've been enjoying my copy today.
I don't often wish I was 70, but I was rather curious about the call for audax volunteers aged between the ages of 70-80 to take part in a study at Nottingham University.
"Participants well be required to cycle while lying in an MRI scanner".
Water off a ducks back for recumbent riders. Probably not great in numbers though!
Anybody interested?
Started the ball rolling a couple of days ago.
So far, I qualify for all their criteria. But if things move forward, there is a lot more information that they're going to need details about.
Cycling criteria includes being able to ride 100 km.
Post by: Martin on 05 December, 2019, 12:00:34 pm
Having indirectly been present at a few scans my understanding is that the subject has to stay completely motionless while the image is taken (several minutes) in order to get a good result. But this might be a moving scan
Post by: Kim on 05 December, 2019, 02:20:57 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 March, 2020, 12:31:51 pm
Post by: HeltorChasca on 07 March, 2020, 02:01:10 pm
Got to say I didn’t agree with Mr Lennox’s opinions on using turbo trainers. Indoor training for me has been an epiphany for general fitness and has made audax all the more enjoyable.
It’s 2020 and things change.
Post by: rob on 07 March, 2020, 02:08:38 pm
There’s definitely a change to a more journalistic and professional style of writing. That’s not the same as ‘better’.
Probably because my article didn't get in ;)
Got there this time. Well put together and nice photos.
Post by: Redlight on 07 March, 2020, 03:03:05 pm
We're also hoping to introduce a couple of news pages from the next issue, for AUK-related stories that don't warrant a 700+ word article. This could be anything from new rides being added to the calendar, date or route changes, members' achievements through to, sadly, letting the rest of AUK know that a member has passed away.
Please send contributions to GedLennox@me.com, preferably with NEWS in the subject header.
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 07 March, 2020, 03:11:30 pm
Hey, that was me. I'm an Audax grandee! Although the article is about getting some serious distances done, even someone like me can give it a go and see how far they can get within 24 hours. Anyone used to riding overnight Audaxes should have a go at least once. You "only" need to complete 250 miles (400km) within the 24 hours to get 4 points.
For me 5 points (312 miles) proved to be a serious but achievable challenge, even as an unsupported ride with a Carradice saddlebag. 6 points (375 miles) would be completely beyond me, but not to many regular Audaxers.
Post by: Ajax Bay on 07 March, 2020, 03:26:17 pm
Post by: Peter on 07 March, 2020, 03:38:26 pm
I think Greg was just using a journalistic hook to start the article off. Slightly inaccurate (which is possibly why he didn't name Mike) but that's journalists for you! It's a good article, too.
Peter
Post by: rob on 07 March, 2020, 06:58:44 pm
I’m not entirely sure if it’s a compliment.
Post by: bludger on 07 March, 2020, 07:07:28 pm
Post by: Karla on 07 March, 2020, 10:15:35 pm
On page 12: "An Audax grandee was recently heard to describe the Mersey Roads 24 hour Time Trial as the easiest four points on the calendar".
Hey, that was me. I'm an Audax grandee! Although the article is about getting some serious distances done, even someone like me can give it a go and see how far they can get within 24 hours. Anyone used to riding overnight Audaxes should have a go at least once. You "only" need to complete 250 miles (400km) within the 24 hours to get 4 points.
Well recognised ;D
Possibly Greg was using "grandee" to indicate Mike's status as an official in Audax UK? I think Mike's "defence" is fair enough in that you would get no climbing points for the Mersey route and you don't have any serious route-finding to do. And if you have support you don't even have to find anywhere to re-fuel and there are no information controls. You just have to ride, though 400k is in itself a big "just". Nevertheless, it is probably true to allude to it as the easiest "just" IN THE CALENDAR. But that in no way belittles the effort involved and Mike didn't seriously suggest that anyone could do it. (Mike is a better rider than he always suggests, anyway.)
I think Greg was just using a journalistic hook to start the article off. Slightly inaccurate (which is possibly why he didn't name Mike) but that's journalists for you! It's a good article, too.
Peter
The title and strapline were both editorial insertions, though the strapline was a re-use of a bit that got edited out of the article. Glad you liked it!
Post by: Peter on 07 March, 2020, 11:49:28 pm
Post by: Manotea on 08 March, 2020, 09:31:46 pm
Post by: mattc on 09 March, 2020, 07:09:29 am
So when do you graduate from 'grandee' to 'ancien'? I would have thought AUK/long distance cycling community is mercifully short of 'grandees'.Why?
Post by: Ajax Bay on 09 March, 2020, 10:11:35 am
Do you think we would benefit from more grandees, then?
Post by: mattc on 09 March, 2020, 06:22:03 pm
I guess I regard 'ancien' (or 'ancienne') as more complimentary than 'grandee' which comes with (for me) light associations of entitlement. And long distance cycling, in UK anyway, seems attractively egalitarian (one seat, two legs) compared to other sports (Will Carling's 57 old farts comes to mind).Not by your definition!
Do you think we would benefit from more grandees, then?
But the dictionary doesn't prescribe entitlement, so I don't see the term as derogatory; more as denoting respect, or just acknowledgement of knowledge/experience, with a knowing wink to the very British nature of AUK in this case.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 March, 2020, 06:59:47 pm
Post by: Greenbank on 10 March, 2020, 07:13:06 pm
I had no pressure to keep on moving as I didn't really care how I did, from about 9h in it was clear that it wasn't going to go as I had magically hoped it would and so I settled in for taking it easy and just plodding along to the finish. Stopping to chat for 10 minutes each time at the Hodnet tent on the night circuit was a particular highlight.
I can imagine going for a specific target (the win, a club record, 400 miles, 600km, etc) might make it far less enjoyable, but I was just there to make up the numbers so I can see how it could be considered a very easy "4 points" if that's all you wanted out of it.
Post by: Ian H on 10 March, 2020, 08:40:17 pm
Post by: rob on 10 March, 2020, 08:55:17 pm
I achieved my target but didn’t celebrate the win as much as I should have. There’s a lot to be learned from all this and I’m not sure I’ll go back as a competitor.
Post by: Greenbank on 10 March, 2020, 09:16:27 pm
(Already have the club record as no-one else has done a 24h TT.)
Post by: rob on 10 March, 2020, 09:27:52 pm
I'll probably go back but it won't be for a good few years. Got my eye on 400 miles (or 600km if that doesn't work out).
(Already have the club record as no-one else has done a 24h TT.)
The dinner we all had together after our rides in 2016 is one of my favourite memories of the events I’ve done.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 13 March, 2020, 11:08:46 pm
Got home to find my copy of Awoowoo in the mailbox. Shall look forward to reading it this weekend.
J
Post by: grams on 13 March, 2020, 11:13:44 pm
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Post by: quixoticgeek on 13 March, 2020, 11:20:35 pm
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Oh wow, until you said that I hadn't even looked at the text on the front cover. I looked at the photo, but that was it. My Amvee arrived!
J
Post by: Shaftesburybiker on 14 March, 2020, 10:22:49 am
It looks like another cracking edition.
Got to say I didn’t agree with Mr Lennox’s opinions on using turbo trainers. Indoor training for me has been an epiphany for general fitness and has made audax all the more enjoyable.
It’s 2020 and things change.
Agree with you, especially in the current situation. Don't know about Peleton, which only seems to be online spinning sessions and variants thereof, but Zwift is a great community with riding of all disciplines possible, and has been a real asset for my training and far more enjoyable than plain turbo training - I would never go back to turbo training staring at just a Garmin screen now. And if you want/need fresh air, open the windows/garage door/etc.
OK, it costs £12.99/mth, and you need a smart trainer to get the most out of it, but this is partly offset by the saving on wear and tear on the outdoor bikes I would otherwise use, and also means I'm not prevented from going out when I'm time crunched or when the weather prevents me.
If Mr Lennox is local to Essex he's welcome to come to my place to try it.
Post by: stefan on 14 March, 2020, 11:19:08 am
It looks like another cracking edition.
Got to say I didn’t agree with Mr Lennox’s opinions on using turbo trainers. Indoor training for me has been an epiphany for general fitness and has made audax all the more enjoyable.
It’s 2020 and things change.
Agree with you, especially in the current situation. Don't know about Peleton, which only seems to be online spinning sessions and variants thereof, but Zwift is a great community with riding of all disciplines possible, and has been a real asset for my training and far more enjoyable than plain turbo training - I would never go back to turbo training staring at just a Garmin screen now. And if you want/need fresh air, open the windows/garage door/etc.
Peloton is actually pretty good IMHO. Wouldn't be my first choice if I were the only user at home, but others in the family who aren't cyclists like it and use it. Mostly, as you say, spinning but more structured power based workouts are available with some good structured programmes available online. Also yoga and stuff. It is very expensive, and the marketing is excruciating, but much more engaging than getting on a turbo. Of course riding outside is vastly more enjoyable, but stuff like this has its place. And if it gets a few non-cyclists into riding, so much the better.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 14 March, 2020, 11:20:25 am
And another issue with a photo of me in it. On the plus side, it's not a photo of my arse this time...
J
Post by: Ajax Bay on 17 June, 2020, 02:00:43 pm
Post by: psyclist on 17 June, 2020, 02:08:49 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 June, 2020, 11:32:44 pm
Not read it yet, but spotted the crossword at the back. That's a nice addition.
Oooh, I wonder how long it's going to take to get to .NL this time. I'm guessing it won't be fast given the current situation.
Will it get here before my PCB's that have been stuck at LHR since Sunday...
J
Post by: Kim on 18 June, 2020, 01:08:47 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 June, 2020, 01:28:29 pm
I'm not sure what to make of the new Cycling Shorts feature. It's like a contents page with more detail, but the plain contents page is still there.
Post by: frankly frankie on 18 June, 2020, 04:14:43 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 June, 2020, 02:05:20 pm
It's not Awoowoo any more :'(
My Amvee arrived this morning. There were also 3 packages from China, so the postie brought the whole lot up and handed it to me. Saves me going down to the mailbox.
J
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 19 June, 2020, 02:51:06 pm
What a great word!
(Helen Kerrane's excellent piece)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 June, 2020, 03:25:50 pm
More like a padded insert ??:D ::-) ;D
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 19 June, 2020, 03:40:28 pm
Seems to me the paper is slightly different. A bit more mat, less glossy. It's probably cheaper but I actually think it's an improvement.
I think the printing (font? colour? background?) is clearer and it's overall much easier to read. There's certainly less grey on grey.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 June, 2020, 03:46:22 pm
Seems to me the paper is slightly different. A bit more mat, less glossy. It's probably cheaper but I actually think it's an improvement.
I think the printing (font? colour? background?) is clearer and it's overall much easier to read. There's certainly less grey on grey.
Ah, so it's not just me. I like the matt.
J
Post by: The LongRider on 19 June, 2020, 04:27:29 pm
Susurration
What a great word!
(Helen Kerrane's excellent piece)
Why thank you! It's that lovely sound of tyres on wet road after a shower. That constant zzzziiiippppp sound as you cycle through another puddle.
The Mayo 200 is a fabulous route, very wild countryside but not too far from towns. It's also reasonably flat for north Connacht. I'd recommend it any day, I can't guarantee you'll have a storm to go with it.
Post by: mmmmartin on 19 June, 2020, 05:30:53 pm
Now then: am I correct in thinking there's an error in the clue to 31 across? Clue says 20 letters but there is space for 21 letters?
Amirite?
Post by: Tull924 on 19 June, 2020, 06:33:31 pm
Great crossword
I think 7 up is lemonade, do I get the £50? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Shugg McGraw on 19 June, 2020, 06:47:00 pm
Great crossword, and am having fun both trying to complete it AND fantasising about how to spend the £50 Wiggle I'm almost certainly not going to win, but it's all fun.5,3,2,4,1,6
Now then: am I correct in thinking there's an error in the clue to 31 across? Clue says 20 letters but there is space for 21 letters?
Amirite?
Post by: Peter on 23 June, 2020, 10:17:31 am
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 June, 2020, 10:45:02 am
Post by: frankly frankie on 23 June, 2020, 05:32:54 pm
Post by: Ian H on 23 June, 2020, 06:27:07 pm
I remember my father used to do a crossword called the 'skeleton' where there were no black squares, you had to fill those in yourself.
I presume the words were already in there.
Post by: Peter on 25 June, 2020, 11:28:09 am
Post by: telstarbox on 15 September, 2020, 09:20:33 pm
One minor issue is the Komoot advert includes a discount code (yay) which expired in June (boo).
Post by: robgul on 16 September, 2020, 07:50:55 am
Post by: jfparis on 16 September, 2020, 10:14:50 am
One minor issue is the Komoot advert includes a discount code (yay) which expired in June (boo).
Drop me a pm with your email address and I send you a komoot invite. This will give you the same (choice to have a free region enabled)
jf
Post by: sojournermike on 17 September, 2020, 09:08:01 am
Post by: markldn on 17 September, 2020, 12:08:37 pm
Does anyone know general timeline for when the electronic version will be uploaded to https://audax.uk/join-us/arriv%C3%A9e-magazine/ (https://audax.uk/join-us/arriv%C3%A9e-magazine/)? Some friends are keen to see my article ;D
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 September, 2020, 03:40:37 pm
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...Has the picture I took on the A7 as we hammered it towards Longtown been used?
Trying to draft with a pheasants head bouncing around is amusing.
Post by: Kim on 17 September, 2020, 07:12:38 pm
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Conspicuous absence of a recipe for badger, I noticed...
Post by: Lightning Phil on 17 September, 2020, 07:17:10 pm
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Conspicuous absence of a recipe for badger, I noticed...
Badger burger and roasted squirrel 🐿 nuts
Post by: FifeingEejit on 17 September, 2020, 07:30:01 pm
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...Has the picture I took on the A7 as we hammered it towards Longtown been used?
Trying to draft with a pheasants head bouncing around is amusing.
Ah it's the one when I pulled out to get a good photo of it hanging there.
Bit worrying I can't remember which photo Jo asked to use only a couple of months ago...
Post by: mattc on 23 September, 2020, 06:48:46 pm
Latest is a marked improvement IMHO in terms of content and the design/layout :thumbsup:Hoe yesssss! /Churchilldog
I've only briefly flicked through*, and 3 articles jumped out - all brilliant:
- Mille Cymru, and the horror that was The Pembrokeshire Coast Leg
- Roadkill (what more needs to be said?)
- Mental health, goals and failure. Great article El, audacious to submit it :thumbsup:
Thankyou to all 3 writers, and of course to the production team.
I'm sure there are other good bits, I just haven't got to them yet.
*Delayed by a long weekend in the Welsh Hills :)
Post by: Karla on 24 September, 2020, 07:31:33 pm
Joe North on Biking Bounty - genius. Makes me wonder if I should take the Camper Longflap on every ride, rather than the Pendle...
Conspicuous absence of a recipe for badger, I noticed...
I hear it goes well with mushrooms?
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 September, 2020, 09:37:45 pm
Latest is a marked improvement IMHO in terms of content and the design/layout :thumbsup:Hoe yesssss! /Churchilldog
I've only briefly flicked through*, and 3 articles jumped out - all brilliant:
- Mille Cymru, and the horror that was The Pembrokeshire Coast Leg
- Roadkill (what more needs to be said?)
- Mental health, goals and failure. Great article El, audacious to submit it :thumbsup:
Thankyou to all 3 writers, and of course to the production team.
I'm sure there are other good bits, I just haven't got to them yet.
*Delayed by a long weekend in the Welsh Hills :)
I quite like riding in Pembrokeshire. I've had biblical experiences there. And got lost on my own permanent.
Post by: Redlight on 27 September, 2020, 07:34:56 pm
Unsurprisingly, we're not seeing the usual number of calendar ride reports but we could really do with some accounts of riding perms and limited calendar-style events since we were able to partially lift the suspension. How has it felt? What have been the challenging aspects and what else can AUK or organisers do to help? What other rides have you been doing in the absence of calendar events?
Also, it would be good to have some more philosophical or reflective pieces and practical advice (where do we go from 'how to cook your roadkill?'). And photos. More and more high resolution photos, please.
As always, contributions to gedlennox@me.com
Tx
Post by: FifeingEejit on 27 September, 2020, 09:07:31 pm
Post by: sojournermike on 11 October, 2020, 07:34:47 pm
Post by: Ajax Bay on 08 December, 2020, 12:39:23 pm
Congratulations to the editor and all who've contributed, articles and otherwise.
Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.
Edit [thank you Matt] https://www.openrunner.com/r/11725919
https://perms.audax.uk/?eventId=8688
Post by: mattc on 08 December, 2020, 05:29:01 pm
... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
:facepalm:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 08 December, 2020, 05:41:25 pm
Post by: Ajax Bay on 08 December, 2020, 05:45:20 pm
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11725919... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
:facepalm:
Post by: bhoot on 08 December, 2020, 05:51:26 pm
Is there an opt out for it. I never read it to be honest.There is (but no reduction in membership fees) - you can go to your membership details and tick the box to opt out. This is taken into account each time I compile the mailing list so it can be used for a long term opt-out, or a short term one (eg going away for a while and just want to skip one issue).
It used to need the opt-outer to write to me and then I had to manually remove people from the mailing list, but now it's a property of your membership record which makes it much easier.
Post by: mattc on 08 December, 2020, 06:11:05 pm
Ah OK, that works.https://www.openrunner.com/r/11725919... Quality account of the SW England's Moors Super Randonnée (a hilly 600 in the soft south) from one OTP.Openrunner made me register, and then gave: "This route does not exist."
https://www.openrunner.com/r/11218809
:facepalm:
Cool - always fancied visiting Clermont-Ferrand :)
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 08 December, 2020, 09:15:05 pm
Post by: Karla on 08 December, 2020, 11:11:11 pm
'perm'itted.
I see what you did there :facepalm:
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 December, 2020, 01:26:28 am
Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6. This is the future! I've tested it on several of my Perms and it saves all the messing about with till receipts, or worrying about the garmin batteries. Now available for all the Wigley Perms Wigley Perms (http://www.delphcyclist.info/WigleyPerms.html), or at least the ones that are currently permitted.Does it work on a Nokia 6610?
Bikes are for escaping non-dumb phones.
Sent from my BKL-L09 using Tapatalk
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2020, 10:40:21 am
Amen.Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6. This is the future! I've tested it on several of my Perms and it saves all the messing about with till receipts, or worrying about the garmin batteries. Now available for all the Wigley Perms Wigley Perms (http://www.delphcyclist.info/WigleyPerms.html), or at least the ones that are currently permitted.Does it work on a Nokia 6610?
Bikes are for escaping non-dumb phones.
Post by: Zed43 on 09 December, 2020, 10:53:39 am
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2020, 11:19:56 am
Non-dumb phones can easily be dumbed down by putting them in airplane mode. As a bonus: the battery lasts longer.Doesn't stop all the applications working; airplane mode is like a laptop out of wireless range, it doesn't stop you doing all your work!
Post by: bhoot on 09 December, 2020, 11:30:11 am
Post by: Grandad on 11 December, 2020, 10:45:45 pm
Quote
Good to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Post by: Karla on 12 December, 2020, 10:24:09 am
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 12 December, 2020, 07:05:30 pm
QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Yes, why not... 2020 has rewritten the rulebooks and the world is changing fast, why not having a separate category for ebikes?
The Rapha Festive 500 now can be done on Zwift from the comfort of your living room, so anything is possible
Post by: quixoticgeek on 12 December, 2020, 07:09:12 pm
The Rapha Festive 500 now can be done on Zwift from the comfort of your living room, so anything is possible
That takes all the spirit out of it...
J
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 December, 2020, 07:14:20 pm
Is there an opt out for it. I never read it to be honest.There is (but no reduction in membership fees) - you can go to your membership details and tick the box to opt out. This is taken into account each time I compile the mailing list so it can be used for a long term opt-out, or a short term one (eg going away for a while and just want to skip one issue).
It used to need the opt-outer to write to me and then I had to manually remove people from the mailing list, but now it's a property of your membership record which makes it much easier.
Sorted :thumbsup: Thanks
Post by: grams on 12 December, 2020, 08:25:34 pm
The Rapha Festive 500 now can be done on Zwift from the comfort of your living room, so anything is possible
That takes all the spirit out of it...
Don't worry, if you do it in Zwift they won't send you a badge.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 13 December, 2020, 07:33:22 am
Don't worry, if you do it in Zwift they won't send you a badge.
They don't send out badges anymore, zwift or road... the reason to allow indoor cycling is the various restrictions around the world due to Covid, but the reality is that once you've allowed it once, they won't go back, which is a shame of course, but ultimately Rapha want to sell clothes and they clearly don't care if you buy a winter jacket or a pair of shorts to use on the turbo
Post by: Lightning Phil on 13 December, 2020, 08:37:54 am
Post by: Shugg McGraw on 13 December, 2020, 08:55:30 am
Post by: quixoticgeek on 13 December, 2020, 10:29:42 am
I have started a thread under freewheeling for the festive 500 discussion.
J
Post by: grams on 13 December, 2020, 11:15:23 am
They don't send out badges anymore, zwift or road...
I knew I should have included a winky face...
Post by: Ajax Bay on 13 December, 2020, 05:05:46 pm
E-bike threads:Yes, why not... 2020 has rewritten the rulebooks and the world is changing fast, why not having a separate category for ebikes?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=108666.0
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=115144.0
and range estimation tool: https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/service/range-assistant/
and Fb poll +: https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk
Post by: mattc on 13 December, 2020, 05:54:20 pm
Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 13 December, 2020, 06:04:42 pm
Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
I saw something about eBrevet
Post by: Karla on 13 December, 2020, 06:05:43 pm
An EC BR? Not after BRECxit!Anything about eCE events?QuoteGood to see the launch of eBrevets announced on page 6.Also good to see the article on eBikes. I'm sure that a separate category - up tp200k? - would be of interest to many.
Post by: Zed43 on 04 January, 2021, 08:35:28 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 04 January, 2021, 08:37:48 pm
Has anyone outside of the UK (the Netherlands in particular) received the latest issue yet? Christmas/covid/brexit are not helping speedy expedition of course, but still.
Nope, mine has not arrived yet.
J
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 04 January, 2021, 09:00:28 pm
Post by: bhoot on 04 January, 2021, 11:29:20 pm
Post by: slugbait on 18 January, 2021, 07:42:56 am
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Post by: quixoticgeek on 21 January, 2021, 02:34:10 pm
Seems like many members outside of the UK haven't received their copy. It's difficult at this stage to know whether it's an issue with post in each country, whether they are stuck somewhere with Royal Mail in the UK or whether there was an issue at the mailing house used by the printers. Investigations have been initiated.
I got an email about it this morning, and replied. Hopefully my email got through.
J
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 21 January, 2021, 02:51:53 pm
Post by: Lightning Phil on 21 January, 2021, 04:00:48 pm
Post by: bhoot on 23 January, 2021, 06:53:48 pm
I have confirmation from the printer/mailing house that they did get sent out on Dec 3rd, and a few people have told me they have received their copy now. So for now I won't send any replacements as they would probably suffer the same fate.
We have arranged for the copy to be made available on line a bit earlier than normal - so you can find it here (https://audax.uk/join-us/arrivée-magazine/)
Post by: HK on 24 January, 2021, 10:21:05 pm
Post by: Redlight on 25 January, 2021, 03:45:06 pm
Post by: bhoot on 25 January, 2021, 04:29:31 pm
It's a typo on the AUK web site.It isn't now
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 15 March, 2021, 11:54:13 am
Post by: bhoot on 15 March, 2021, 03:33:16 pm
Post by: Zed43 on 15 March, 2021, 04:34:38 pm
Post by: Karla on 15 March, 2021, 08:28:12 pm
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 15 March, 2021, 09:42:46 pm
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
;D ;D ;D
the irony isn't lost on me...
Post by: quixoticgeek on 16 March, 2021, 08:54:18 am
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
Found two issues in my mailbox this morning, so I guess they were delivered yesterday.
I guess mail UK->NL has found some speed again...
J
Post by: BobScarle on 16 March, 2021, 11:04:45 am
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 16 March, 2021, 11:06:43 am
Post by: tonyh on 16 March, 2021, 11:33:24 am
pages 17 to 20 (and the corresponding pages on the other side of the staples) as they are badly misaligned.
Mine's ok.
Post by: Ian H on 16 March, 2021, 01:28:42 pm
The dogs and bears issue.
That dogs article appears to be a rather laboured joke.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 16 March, 2021, 01:31:14 pm
Post by: madcow on 16 March, 2021, 01:33:11 pm
My copy arrived yesterday, and as ever I am looking forward to sitting quietly and reading it. It seems there was a problem with pages 17 to 20 (and the corresponding pages on the other side of the staples) as they are badly misaligned. I very much suspect that this will be a one off but, anybody else have an issue?
Pages 27/28 missing but have two 29/30 and the corresponding pages on other side of staples.
Post by: grams on 16 March, 2021, 02:25:24 pm
Post by: citoyen on 16 March, 2021, 02:36:34 pm
Post by: Peter on 16 March, 2021, 02:46:15 pm
Nice to see a man in his prime on the cover, for a change... ;D
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
;D ;D ;D
the irony isn't lost on me...
The cap was a clever subterfuge! And I love it when young men call themselves geriatric. Trust me, you ain't felt nothing yet!
Post by: citoyen on 16 March, 2021, 03:18:23 pm
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Outrageous! All that space wasted on non-long-distance cycling that could have been taken up with yet another report on the Bryan Chapman.
Talking of fuss... I was intrigued by the 'Notes for contributors' on p4 and can't help wondering if that was inspired by disgruntled feedback. I wholly support Ged's stance on contributions. He's a very experienced editor who knows what he is doing.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 16 March, 2021, 03:43:10 pm
Outrageous! All that space wasted on non-long-distance cycling that could have been taken up with yet another report on PBP
FTFY
Post by: ChillyPanda on 16 March, 2021, 04:03:39 pm
Post by: HK on 16 March, 2021, 04:19:50 pm
Liz's 300 which ran for about 4 editions and has become affectionately known as 'the Mistress' 300 appeared in my first SR in 1999 and then in my 20th SR last year.
http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/ (http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/)
Post by: grams on 16 March, 2021, 05:07:07 pm
Is the 'Superwheel' on page 7 an April Fool?
It looks like it should be. But digging through the Facebook link and website the answer is people believe in it.
(All of the pictures show it attached to utility bikes and BSOs rather than racing bikes. Presumably because the UCI have a ban on perpetual motion machines)
Post by: Lightning Phil on 16 March, 2021, 05:20:45 pm
Didn't make Arrivee so it is making this thread. A tribute to Liz Creese also known as 'the Mistress', 'the marmite queen', 'Aunty Lizzy'. The lady AUK rider in who's tyre tracks I followed egged on by Rocco with the occasional gift of Bertie Bassessts for keeping my bike on the road. Without Liz, Rocco and JJ 'I used to be Jon Jennings, now I am just the front of the tandem' I wouldn't be here still riding and enjoying brevets. And yes I ride rando and audax!
Liz's 300 which ran for about 4 editions and has become affectionately known as 'the Mistress' 300 appeared in my first SR in 1999 and then in my 20th SR last year.
http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/ (http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/)
Enjoyed that.
Post by: slugbait on 16 March, 2021, 05:57:19 pm
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
Your mail is faster than mine (even though we live only 2km apart), but Arrivée has also arrived in my remote suburb.
Post by: FifeingEejit on 16 March, 2021, 08:06:17 pm
Arrived in Groningen (the Netherlands) as well. Two issues, I'll have a nice evening reading up :)
Your mail is faster than mine (even though we live only 2km apart), but Arrivée has also arrived in my remote suburb.
It has not yet made it this far north of Watford Gap.
Post by: Diesel on 16 March, 2021, 08:42:10 pm
Didn't make Arrivee so it is making this thread. A tribute to Liz Creese also known as 'the Mistress', 'the marmite queen', 'Aunty Lizzy'. The lady AUK rider in who's tyre tracks I followed egged on by Rocco with the occasional gift of Bertie Bassessts for keeping my bike on the road. Without Liz, Rocco and JJ 'I used to be Jon Jennings, now I am just the front of the tandem' I wouldn't be here still riding and enjoying brevets. And yes I ride rando and audax!
Liz's 300 which ran for about 4 editions and has become affectionately known as 'the Mistress' 300 appeared in my first SR in 1999 and then in my 20th SR last year.
http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/ (http://judithswallow.com/2021/03/16/back-to-the-future/)
Agree with Phil, thanks for writing that, I enjoyed that.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 March, 2021, 08:43:42 pm
Post by: postie on 17 March, 2021, 07:12:20 am
Post by: Rainmaker3 on 17 March, 2021, 08:24:18 am
Many thanks for that contribution, Liz and Rocco were prominent at a time when it really was "audacious", paper route sheets, lights that were inadequate and "proper" steel bikes! I have many happy memories of them when they ventured north and I remember an incident on a Semaine when I heard Liz about two hairpins behind before they caught me.
Post by: giropaul on 17 March, 2021, 01:42:31 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 March, 2021, 01:51:17 pm
Post by: citoyen on 17 March, 2021, 01:57:16 pm
I’m surprised that only supportive letters were sent to the publication, knowing the usual diversity of opinion we enjoy.
I put that down to "People who send letters" being a small, self-selecting subset of "People who hold opinions"... hardly a scientifically rigorous survey.
Post by: Tommyp27 on 17 March, 2021, 02:33:08 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 March, 2021, 03:33:26 pm
Post by: MattH on 17 March, 2021, 06:08:37 pm
I'm assuming there was a rejection note to HK (nice blog entry, by the way!) stating this isn't the case?
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 March, 2021, 06:14:41 pm
Post by: MattH on 17 March, 2021, 06:17:26 pm
Post by: Karla on 17 March, 2021, 06:38:54 pm
Remember the fuss when Arrivee had a photo of someone everesting on the front cover? Just wait till they learn you were doing an event TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY times shorter than a 200 km audax! :o
Outrageous! All that space wasted on non-long-distance cycling that could have been taken up with yet another report on the Bryan Chapman.
Talking of fuss... I was intrigued by the 'Notes for contributors' on p4 and can't help wondering if that was inspired by disgruntled feedback. I wholly support Ged's stance on contributions. He's a very experienced editor who knows what he is doing.
Without wanting to comment on LWaB and HK's situation, it does sound like Ged's been getting some articles where the contributor hasn't heard of editing for length and clarity, and has made a fuss when not every comma is preserved. Keep up the good work Ged!
(Unedited versions of my articles, complete with bum jokes and inadvisable sarcasm, are available on request.)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 March, 2021, 06:50:02 pm
Post by: citoyen on 17 March, 2021, 08:10:26 pm
Without wanting to comment on LWaB and HK's situation, it does sound like Ged's been getting some articles where the contributor hasn't heard of editing for length and clarity, and has made a fuss when not every comma is preserved. Keep up the good work Ged!
It's a tricky one. There's an argument to be had about what is the purpose of Arrivée. Not an argument I care to get too deeply involved in though.
Still, disappointing if a heartfelt tribute to a genuine AUK legend has been lost to the Arrivée audience over a petty disagreement.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 17 March, 2021, 08:13:01 pm
Post by: giropaul on 18 March, 2021, 08:45:42 am
Obviously, there needs to be a glossary, and an author’s name ( maybe followed by their usual nickname).
But, for me, a report that uses actual names for people known by their nickname starts to read more like a legal statement rather than something that captures the character and spirit of the experience.
Post by: Redlight on 18 March, 2021, 08:59:27 am
It's also worth remembering that AUK has grown considerably in recent years and the majority of members probably don't have clue (or care) who nicknames from a quarter of a century ago, or longer, refer to. Arrivee is intended as a magazine for all the membership, not a clique. So, as Giropaul says, if there are nicknames used in a piece, there should also be some explanation of who the relevant people are/were and, perhaps, how the nickname came about.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 09:11:41 am
It's also worth remembering that AUK has grown considerably in recent years and the majority of members probably don't have clue (or care) who nicknames from a quarter of a century ago, or longer, refer to. Arrivee is intended as a magazine for all the membership, not a clique.
This.
Unfortunately, 99% of the membership don't have an account on YACF, so you don't get to hear their voices. It is true that this seem to be a place for Audaxers with 4 digits in their membership number, who tend to go on about things nobody else has a clue about.
If the author thinks the story is worth publishing, then what is the big deal about putting their name on?
Post by: bhoot on 18 March, 2021, 09:30:26 am
Could someone who frequents Facebook please post the same message there.
Apologies for the inconvenience.
Caroline Fenton
Post by: Redlight on 18 March, 2021, 09:36:54 am
Could someone who frequents Facebook please post the same message there.
Done.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 09:42:45 am
This editor is behaving as if he is employing writers to produce articles for a magazine sold in the high street. Arrivee is written by and for the club’s members.
I can wait this editor out. I am in long distance cycling for the long haul, he is not.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 09:54:51 am
It was nothing to do with a YACF name.
I can wait this editor out. I am in long distance cycling for the long haul, he is not.
It's easy to complain, without offering an alternative. If you think you can do a better job, then you should put yourself forward to the board.
I was told that Arrivee is a magazine for the membership, which is roughly 7,000 individuals with various interests, which include, but not solely, long distance cycling. Articles of all sorts are accepted for publication, the majority are still about PBP, LEL, brevets and so on, but there are articles about how to bake a vegan cake, or how to climb a 3 minute hill fast once only, or slow 100 times. Things have somehow moved on from cover photos exclusively featuring a "depart" of ageing folks in baggy shorts and sandals with a Carradice the size of a aircraft-allowed piece of luggage. The organisation wants to grow and has to appeal to a new breed of cyclists, who might be interested in long distance cycling, but might not be obsessive about it.
You should at least be happy that the daring font on the cover has gone back to that of the golden age of the magazine, surely?
Post by: grams on 18 March, 2021, 09:56:43 am
Cycling in general, and Audax in particular, has a proud and long history of creating “ nicknames “. It’s part of the glue that holds the community together. We aren’t unique in this of course; the reporting of many sports and activities is riddled with them.
Also a hallmark of terrible exclusionary bro culture, which many sports are also riddled with.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 10:23:27 am
Cycling in general, and Audax in particular, has a proud and long history of creating “ nicknames “. It’s part of the glue that holds the community together. We aren’t unique in this of course; the reporting of many sports and activities is riddled with them.
Also a hallmark of terrible exclusionary bro culture, which many sports are also riddled with.
Indeed...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 10:33:33 am
Audax Oz eventually stopped publishing their magazine ‘Checkpoint’ a few years ago and their organisation still continues. A pity IMHO but obviously reflecting their members’ collective valuation of the magazine’s importance.
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2021, 10:41:06 am
Personally i think even now more people would of heard of rocco Richardson as opposed to John Richardson and unfortunately intended or not the editor as shown a total lack of respect for our late chairman .
P.s. if anyone wants to know how he got the name rocco p,m, as such a story may upset some.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 10:47:46 am
Not including the official name of Liz’s 300 was a problem, though the brevet hasn’t run this century and no current member could possibly enter it.
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2021, 10:53:35 am
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 11:15:09 am
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 12:39:43 pm
The Editor has changed the title of my articles twice, without telling me... did I complain? No, firstly because it's his job to make sure things fit with the editorial lines, and secondly because, when it comes to think of it, his titles are actually better than mine.
Just fix it and get it published, I am sure a lot of folks want to read it
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 12:51:53 pm
Post by: megajoulesexpenditure on 18 March, 2021, 02:28:52 pm
I feel it would be a great shame if this article wasn't fitted to the editors criteria and published in Arrivee so that the whole of AUK's current/future membership can know and understand the exploits of some of our most inspirational ancestors.
It gives some continuity and context to where we are now as well as making sense of achievement records on the website which otherwise are just a list of meaningless name's.
The editor was appointed by our membership and so to get published we have to fit articles within his guidelines.
Having been an audaxer back to the days of the characters in this article I am fine with the nicknames etc but am also nowadays extremely aware that our membership is very different in character and much much larger than it was in those days. It is after all a pretty long time ago now in respect of generations of riders coming through.
When I run events nowadays there are always so many new faces which is absolutely brilliant for our organisation. I know full well virtually none of those newcomers will have ever heard any of the nicknames especially up here in the dark North and so for them the inclusion of these won't enhance the article but rather leave them totally baffled and maybe not even finishing reading it, which is then a really great shame as it's a splendid article.
I do hope to see it published in a future Arrivee :thumbsup:
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 March, 2021, 02:42:50 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 March, 2021, 02:43:09 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 02:44:37 pm
I don’t see that compromises should only be made by the author. The author thinks she has compromised enough and there are alternatives to Arrivee. That is where the article now sits.
The article revolves around Liz Creese and her name is there, along with her many nicknames.
Post by: Ian H on 18 March, 2021, 03:19:41 pm
https://hennessey.uk/auk-randonnee-events/16-words-various-authors
https://audaxing.wordpress.com/ (Jamie Andrews)
http://audaxdemon.co.uk/ (Peter Marshall)
https://judithswallow.com/ (Judith Swallow)
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 04:22:37 pm
The magazine should reflect the membership, not just the editor.
Maybe the editor knows the membership better than you do?
Out of 7,000, how many do you actually know? 50?
What do you know about the 6,000 or so who don't ride brevets regularly, or ever?
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 04:56:39 pm
Post by: slohill on 18 March, 2021, 05:04:00 pm
It's also worth remembering that AUK has grown considerably in recent years and the majority of members probably don't have clue (or care) who nicknames from a quarter of a century ago, or longer, refer to. Arrivee is intended as a magazine for all the membership, not a clique.
This.
Unfortunately, 99% of the membership don't have an account on YACF, so you don't get to hear their voices. It is true that this seem to be a place for Audaxers with 4 digits in their membership number, who tend to go on about things nobody else has a clue about.
If the author thinks the story is worth publishing, then what is the big deal about putting their name on?
What about 3 digits??? We still exist and are still active!
Post by: slohill on 18 March, 2021, 05:08:08 pm
It seems to me a case of coming to an agreement and fix the article so that it fits the editorial criteria, rather than kicking a big fuss about trivialities...
The Editor has changed the title of my articles twice, without telling me... did I complain? No, firstly because it's his job to make sure things fit with the editorial lines, and secondly because, when it comes to think of it, his titles are actually better than mine.
Just fix it and get it published, I am sure a lot of folks want to read it
Totally Agree---Editor does a great job. Thanks Ged!
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2021, 05:38:35 pm
Post by: Karla on 18 March, 2021, 06:06:22 pm
The magazine should reflect the membership, not just the editor.
Maybe the editor knows the membership better than you do?
Out of 7,000, how many do you actually know? 50?
What do you know about the 6,000 or so who don't ride brevets regularly, or ever?
Now let me tell you about the yellowed thong of ambition ...
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2021, 06:12:56 pm
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 18 March, 2021, 06:15:42 pm
I have certainly met more AUK members than the editor has. I joined AUK in 2002 and normally ride 10-20 calendar brevets each year, spread around the countryside. I could probably recognise a few hundred by sight (particularly if they are on their bikes) but my memory for names is abysmal.
SO what is that you would like to see more of or less of on Arrivee?
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 07:27:42 pm
A bit less of the plodding reports “...and then I did this and something else happened.”
Post by: bhoot on 18 March, 2021, 07:50:29 pm
Names are not significant unless they mean something to the reader, and that's usually only the case if you know the person. This applies equally to full, formal names as nicknames. For instance, picking two names from this issue, I know (at least vaguely) who Steve Poulton is but Rob Norris is, well, just a name to me. He could equally well be called "Gasbear" (from his Bristol Rovers teddy – their fans are called Gas Heads) without taking anything away from the story.
I thought about this but for me I think a nickname on its own conveys an expectation that it should mean something to me, whereas a real name doesn't - I can just think do I know him/her or not. I remember someone after an event telling me about some exploits which involved "nickname x" (a prolific audaxer) but at the time I had no idea who it was. The nickname meant nothing to me and so it seemed rather cliquey, and made me feel that I was a real outsider as I probably should know who he was.
I think the combination of both real and nickname can be OK - so using Cudzo's example "Rob Norris (known to his audax friends as Gasbear)", or some similar wording, would be fine for me and would enable me potentially to associate the two names for future reference.
As is often the case, context and specific wording is key, rather than hard and fast rules like "no nicknames" - but beware of potential alienation if not done in the right way.
Post by: Peter on 18 March, 2021, 08:29:36 pm
Post by: Andy Corless on 18 March, 2021, 08:35:53 pm
I've seen some splendid write-ups by you from my own events, more than worthy for the magazine.
Andy Corless
Post by: Peter on 18 March, 2021, 08:46:37 pm
Post by: Redlight on 18 March, 2021, 09:39:47 pm
A few more stories about and by AUK characters would be good. The UK is world-renowned for its eccentrics and enthusiasts and AUK’s magazine should celebrate those who manage to ride a long way
I agree. I'd just add the proviso that the articles should be written in such a way that they make sense to the majority of readers - those who are not fortunate enough to know what is meant by: Of course, everyone remembers the day when Fartbreath and Wheelsucker rode Beryl the Tandem on Crankbuster's secret 400 and made a point of visiting every one of Saddelsore's favourite bus shelters on their off-route excursions.
And, of course, many recent issues have celebrated people who have ridden a long way.
Post by: Redlight on 18 March, 2021, 09:41:19 pm
Cheers, Andy - your events are certainly full of "scenery", which makes ther writing easier than the riding!
Peter's reports of his solo excursions have also been very goo reads.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 March, 2021, 09:42:04 pm
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 19 March, 2021, 06:29:58 am
A few more stories about and by AUK characters would be good. The UK is world-renowned for its eccentrics and enthusiasts and AUK’s magazine should celebrate those who manage to ride a long way, particularly if written in a witty manner. There seem to be enough of them riding brevets.
A bit less of the plodding reports “...and then I did this and something else happened.”
Articles are written by contributors. There are a number of people in AUK we would like to hear more from, Teethgrinder to name one... and since many people even outside AUK know who Steven Abraham is, that would make an interesting read for all.
But I don't think it's the editor that prevents this from happening, it's probably a case of the above mentioned not sending such articles to Arrivee, or not writing them at all.
You can only publish what you are supplied with and if people write accounts of their "first time at the BCM", that's what you get.
Post by: megajoulesexpenditure on 19 March, 2021, 07:50:32 am
I wrote a few articles full of unexplained nicknames and under a pseudonym a long time back when the membership was smaller and more closeknit. At the time it seemed fine but I would not write in that manner now that articles are for a much bigger membership.
Surely there must be a middle ground on this so everyone can have maximum enjoyment of our great magazine?
I think the combination of both real and nickname can be OK - so using Cudzo's example "Rob Norris (known to his audax friends as Gasbear)", or some similar wording, would be fine for me and would enable me potentially to associate the two names for future reference.
As is often the case, context and specific wording is key, rather than hard and fast rules like "no nicknames" - but beware of potential alienation if not done in the right way.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 March, 2021, 09:03:28 am
I thought about this but for me I think a nickname on its own conveys an expectation that it should mean something to me, whereas a real name doesn't - I can just think do I know him/her or not. I remember someone after an event telling me about some exploits which involved "nickname x" (a prolific audaxer) but at the time I had no idea who it was. The nickname meant nothing to me and so it seemed rather cliquey, and made me feel that I was a real outsider as I probably should know who he was.
I think the combination of both real and nickname can be OK - so using Cudzo's example "Rob Norris (known to his audax friends as Gasbear)", or some similar wording, would be fine for me and would enable me potentially to associate the two names for future reference.
As is often the case, context and specific wording is key, rather than hard and fast rules like "no nicknames" - but beware of potential alienation if not done in the right way.
A few years ago I was visiting friends in Belgium. We had a lovely evening of Beer and Frites, and I ended up sleeping on one of the friends sofas.
I woke up with a hangover to discover an old woman offering me a coffee. Turns out it was the mother of my friend. Through the fog of an early morning (I am not a morning person), while drinking coffee, I am asked by this old Belgian woman with very broken English. "How do you know Peter?"
"Who's peter?" I respond.
Because these were friends I had met online, I know this person by an entirely different name. We use our online nicknames in person. Depending on the name someone uses for me, you can tell how long they've known me (my nickname has changed over the years).
There is some belief that "Real names" are important, critical even. But the reality is, the name you know someone by is all that matters. A lot of you know me as Quixoticgeek. I do actually respond to that in real life. I receive mail addressed to it. I also respond to Katje. Perhaps it's being part of Gen X that grew up on the internet, but I really don't see any reason to insist on real names. There is a YACF member who I've known since university days. Approaching 20 years now. I only learnt their last name in the last year or two. I've always known them by just their first name only.
We often see people talk about being anonymous online, we see various attempts by social networks to insist on real names only. And they fail. Because that's not how things work. A lot of people use different names to their "Real names" whether it's shortened (i.e. Ben rather than Benjamin), or a nickname the reasons for which may have been lost in the dim distance past. The reality is, insisting on real names for everything is an out dated idea.
J
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 March, 2021, 09:51:43 am
The concept of wanting more club magazine submissions from the AUK membership is at odds with treating those submissions as if they were from paid writers submitting articles for a commercial publication. While Arrivee may now be more polished, a growing number of member submissions are falling by the wayside. Arrivee is rather less reflecting its membership, more being curated to avoid those AUK character stories that I would like to see more of. HK’s piece is written in an interesting style by an AUK character about AUK characters but is deemed by the editor to be unsuitable for publication in Arrivee. Several people in this thread disagree.
Some thought needs to be given to the balance between the editor’s intent to produce a highly polished publication and the membership’s desire to read a range of their compatriots’ stories, even if some of them would not make the cut in a newsagent’s magazine.
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 19 March, 2021, 12:13:00 pm
Some thought needs to be given to the balance between the editor’s intent to produce a highly polished publication and the membership’s desire to read a range of their compatriots’ stories, even if some of them would not make the cut in a newsagent’s magazine.
This, again, is the membership that you are aware of, which, we discovered is about 5% of the real membership, being very generous. As I said, very few members actually ride Audax events regularly... or even at all, but all of them pay a fee and get a magazine.
I, for one, tend to lose interest quickly when an article mentions a lot of "nicknames" of people I have never heard of... it just seem to be written for a restricted club, of which I am not part.
Most of us have 5 digit memberships and have no recollection of what happened in the Audax world at the turn of the millenium... it's something you'll have to live with.
With that in mind, negotiating politely with the editor, things can be achieved
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 March, 2021, 12:23:06 pm
Like it or not, AUK and audaxing has some history and, for me, finding out that history encouraged me further into audaxing. I enjoyed learning that McNasty won a Scottish 24hr decades ago with a distance that would still get him a top-ten place now and that he did some phenomenally tough brevets and roughstuffing. For you, that doesn’t apply but for some others that sort of thing might be interesting too. Eliminating those sorts of stories on an editor’s whim seems undesirable.
Post by: arabella on 19 March, 2021, 12:35:20 pm
It's interesting that HK got feedback, I've heard absolutely nothing back about something I submitted last July. It probably fell foul of one of those notes to contributors that have only just appeared.
I've only flicked through so far but was pleased by the absence of a baking section and of a health section, thus leaving more space for articles about actual bike rides.
Printing appears OK.
Post by: Karla on 19 March, 2021, 12:40:08 pm
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 19 March, 2021, 12:42:55 pm
Like it or not, AUK and audaxing has some history and, for me, finding out that history encouraged me further into audaxing. I enjoyed learning that McNasty won a Scottish 24hr decades ago with a distance that would still get him a top-ten place now and that he did some phenomenally tough brevets and roughstuffing. For you, that doesn’t apply but for some others, it might be interesting too. Eliminating those sorts of stories on an editor’s whim seems undesirable.
As a matter of fact, I have an interest in TT, so I would be interested in this sort of stories too.
But as the editor says, keep them real... not many know what a fuxxing Audax Hotel is, or whether a bench in Atherstone is the best in the Midlands if you need a nap in the Heart of England 300, or whether that guy was only known by a nickname that came from flattening a sheep during a Welsh brevet... nobody gives a sxxt about this stuff... it is important that a story can be enjoyed by all, not just by those three or four in the know... I guess that's what the editor is trying to say
Post by: citoyen on 19 March, 2021, 12:52:54 pm
I'm wholly in favour of submissions being edited for readability (many pieces benefit from having their word count cut) and appropriateness (eg removing in-jokes that aren't as funny as the author thinks). This needs to be done sensitively though, to ensure the original character of the author's writing is retained, but contributors could sometimes be less precious about their copy and not go the full Giles Coren.
I kind of get the argument for not allowing nicknames, but it sounds like the baby has been thrown out with the bath water in the case under discussion. I think what bhoot* said earlier on this matter is spot on.
I also think the core content of the magazine should remain firmly focused on long-distance cycling. It shouldn't be diluted to become a magazine to cover anything and everything related to cycling. There are enough other titles and forums out there to cover those. That said, I don't mind it occasionally covering other audacious cycling efforts such as everesting and hill climb racing.
*Oh the irony... should I use bhoot's real name here?
Post by: citoyen on 19 March, 2021, 12:54:18 pm
not many know what a fuxxing Audax Hotel is
Maybe someone could contribute a piece on audax jargon, which would potentially be both very entertaining and very informative.
Post by: Ian H on 19 March, 2021, 12:56:45 pm
As a matter of fact, I have an interest in TT, so I would be interested in this sort of stories too.
But as the editor says, keep them real... not many know what a fuxxing Audax Hotel is...
Different disciplines have their own jargon. Who, new to testing, knows what a "short O" is, or a float day, or a dead-turn. You learn as you go along – it's part of the fun.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 March, 2021, 12:58:53 pm
Post by: Peter on 19 March, 2021, 01:28:15 pm
Post by: grams on 19 March, 2021, 01:34:27 pm
I've only flicked through so far but was pleased by the absence of a baking section and of a health section, thus leaving more space for articles about actual bike rides.
If I had my druthers everything resembling a ride report would be verboten, or at least have to strongly justify its existence.
Might be quite a thin volume, of course.
Post by: Peter on 19 March, 2021, 02:14:05 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 March, 2021, 02:30:16 pm
As for nicknames (again), in the last few pages of this thread we've had McNasty and Rocco. I'm sure I've seen the name McNasty in a previous issue. At any rate, it's a name I recognize but I have no idea what his real name is. And Rocco is another name I've heard mentioned often, so much that I didn't realize it was a nickname (thought it was an Italian or similar name). Finally, I had to think long and hard to recall the real name of Black Sheep, who I have met a couple of times at the start/finish of his eponymous audaxes (it's Mark Rigby, unless I'm mistaken – which I might be).
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
Post by: Karla on 19 March, 2021, 02:35:56 pm
Post by: Redlight on 19 March, 2021, 02:46:57 pm
If I had my druthers everything resembling a ride report would be verboten, or at least have to strongly justify its existence.
Ride reports that give some practical information about the ride - what the route is really like, whether there are places to get bonk rations between widely-spaced controls, whether certain parts get busy with traffic at unexpected times of day (on perms) can be both interesting and useful in helping a would-be rider decide whether to try an event for themselves. This is particularly the case with some perms, where the information available prior to entry is minimal.
There used to be some guidance to this effect (maybe in the old handbook?) for would-be contributors and perhaps it's time to revisit that, either on Audax.Uk or in the magazine.
I agree, though, that the ones that mainly comprise of 'I rode for a while then got hungry. After I had eaten something, I rode some more' can be a bit dull (although judicious editing in recent years has eliminated the very tedious ones that used to appear). The exceptions are those rides on which something outrageous or unique occurs to make the ride a story in itself - the one that always springs to mind is George Berwick finishing a German 1200 with his frame held together by drinks tins and zip ties. That was a superb report.
Post by: bhoot on 19 March, 2021, 03:13:55 pm
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
Hence our "send to a friend" initiative publicised in latest issue and a few times last year...
Also we were planning to put a few copies in some selected strategic locations like cycle cafes etc (remember them?)... this could be one to restart as we come out of lockdown.
Post by: Redlight on 19 March, 2021, 03:15:11 pm
While Arrivee may now be more polished, a growing number of member submissions are falling by the wayside.
Can you give some evidence to support this statement, please. Aside from HK's piece, which had been sub-edited and laid out as a double page spread before she withdrew it, and another which she withdrew before it had reached that stage in the process, I'm aware only of two - Arabella's, which appears to have gone astray and I will ask Ged to check on, and one by another contributor who, again, withdrew it after edits were suggested.
Post by: Peter on 19 March, 2021, 03:19:40 pm
The exceptions are those rides on which something outrageous or unique occurs to make the ride a story in itself - the one that always springs to mind is George Berwick finishing a German 1200 with his frame held together by drinks tins and zip ties. That was a superb report.
Yes, that was a great story. i think what gives the stories involving George an extra dimension is the knowledge (if you have it) that he is not only bonkers but a past national champion*, whereas most of us are just bonkers.
* I think that's right but if not he was a very high finisher.
Post by: citoyen on 19 March, 2021, 03:34:59 pm
(although there's an argument to say that Arrivée is also a shop window for the organisation so should partly serve to help draw in new members).How so? As it's only distributed to members, virtually the only non-members who get to see it will be friends and families of members, who will already know about it.
And how do you persuade those non-audaxing friends and family members to join in the fun?
I've also seen back issues lying around in the staff cafe area at Rapha HQ.
It's potentially a very valuable marketing tool for the organisation, though I don't know exactly how/if it is used in this capacity. Others OTP will know more about that.
ETA: cross-posted with bhoot who answered that last point nicely!
Post by: Tommyp27 on 19 March, 2021, 04:26:41 pm
I recon one of the reasons AUK might of grown its membership is for the same reason to even smaller RSF has seen a growth, both offer a chance to be part of something outside of the mainstream of cycling. Also neither will ever compete with the big 3 organisations and they shouldn't bother to try.
I enjoy being a member of this forum because of the banter (some of you have proper sharp tongues, but it never actually seems cruel and I'm thick skinned), the humour (some pythonesque replies at times) and there's a lot independent minds on here. I also know that this forum isn't an official AUK forum, just contains a number of members.
Personally I have no problems with nicknames or the odd bit of jargon. It's part of the romance of cycling. If a piece is well written it can just add to the fun of reading it.
Post by: Ian H on 19 March, 2021, 04:36:43 pm
FYI McNasty is George BerwickI think you'll find it's the other way round.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 March, 2021, 07:43:17 pm
FYI McNasty is George BerwickI think you'll find it's the other way round.
http://www.thedrumup.co.uk/cycling-riders/george-berwick-500km-on-a-broken-frame/
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 March, 2021, 10:12:26 pm
While Arrivee may now be more polished, a growing number of member submissions are falling by the wayside.
Can you give some evidence to support this statement, please. Aside from HK's piece, which had been sub-edited and laid out as a double page spread before she withdrew it, and another which she withdrew before it had reached that stage in the process, I'm aware only of two - Arabella's, which appears to have gone astray and I will ask Ged to check on, and one by another contributor who, again, withdrew it after edits were suggested.
Messrs Marshall and Hanna might be good places to start. HK suggests you look through the Facebook discussions about this for some more names.
Post by: sg37409 on 19 March, 2021, 10:29:38 pm
FYI McNasty is George Berwick
Apparently Cycling Plus magazine has a feature on him this month.
Post by: Ian H on 19 March, 2021, 10:36:57 pm
FYI McNasty is George Berwick
Apparently Cycling Plus magazine has a feature on him this month.
That should sell lots of shiny new bikes. :)
Post by: mattc on 20 March, 2021, 08:27:49 am
That is an excellent intention, Mr Light. (and well said Mr grams!)
If I had my druthers everything resembling a ride report would be verboten, or at least have to strongly justify its existence.
Ride reports that give some practical information about the ride - what the route is really like, whether there are places to get bonk rations between widely-spaced controls, whether certain parts get busy with traffic at unexpected times of day (on perms) can be both interesting and useful in helping a would-be rider decide whether to try an event for themselves. This is particularly the case with some perms, where the information available prior to entry is minimal.
There used to be some guidance to this effect (maybe in the old handbook?) for would-be contributors and perhaps it's time to revisit that, either on Audax.Uk or in the magazine.
...
Ride Reports need to be entertaining or informative; too often they are a weak mixture of both, diluted by much jacket/flapjack talk (and "I'd ridden this before in my 2nd SR series, but today we went the other way ... " )
A really keen (sub?)editor could add missing info e.g. an outline map where the report is absurdly vague, that sort of thing.
Post by: John Stonebridge on 20 March, 2021, 03:58:00 pm
Post by: Redlight on 20 March, 2021, 06:30:47 pm
Exceptionally petty school playground stuff. :thumbsup:
Welcome to YACF ;D
(It gets much worse further down the Board)
Post by: Ian H on 21 March, 2021, 01:44:28 pm
I think he's saying that's the kind of stuff he wants to see in Arrivée.Exceptionally petty school playground stuff. :thumbsup:
Welcome to YACF ;D
(It gets much worse further down the Board)
Post by: mattc on 22 March, 2021, 03:13:05 pm
The tandem & midges report was fun.
Overall I liked the increased variety of articles. I suspect this will relapse as events get going again, so
I am working on my submission "A novice Cyclo-cross season"
Post by: Peter on 22 March, 2021, 05:12:59 pm
Post by: mattc on 27 March, 2021, 02:42:42 pm
Will it read: cancelled;cancelled;cancelled, etc.? Or must we wait and see?!;D
We did actually manage about 4 races this past year - 3 of those cheated by running in the summer!
Post by: frankly frankie on 27 March, 2021, 05:25:06 pm
Audax Oz eventually stopped publishing their magazine ‘Checkpoint’ a few years ago and their organisation still continues. A pity IMHO but obviously reflecting their members’ collective valuation of the magazine’s importance.
Sad to hear that. For some years we had a reciprocal arrangement between Checkpoint and Arrivee whereby each could re-print articles from the other.
An outstanding contributor was Kay Dence ...
(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/kay_dence.jpg)
Post by: Ian H on 27 March, 2021, 05:28:47 pm
Audax Oz eventually stopped publishing their magazine ‘Checkpoint’ a few years ago and their organisation still continues. A pity IMHO but obviously reflecting their members’ collective valuation of the magazine’s importance.
Sad to hear that. For some years we had a reciprocal arrangement between Checkpoint and Arrivee whereby each could re-print articles from the other.
An outstanding contributor was Kay Dence ...
(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/kay_dence.jpg)
I always thought it was written by a UK-based Oz. You learn something every day.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 March, 2021, 05:36:40 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 09 June, 2021, 08:59:31 pm
Found a copy of Amvee in my mail box this week. Looking forward to reading it.
J
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 09 June, 2021, 09:03:48 pm
Post by: Rupert on 09 June, 2021, 09:06:33 pm
The article by Richard Betts (p8/9) certainly got me thinking. There are far too many complete idiots driving what can be used as a lethal weapon on our roads and we hear of yet another cyclist getting killed or seriously injured nearly every week. It seems to be akin to a lottery as to who might be next.
How safe do you feel when out on your bike?
Post by: Zed43 on 10 June, 2021, 10:47:38 am
On topic: nother Arrivée arrived in .nl yesterday, have yet to take the time to enjoy it. Good to see the international delivery issues are resolved.
Post by: bhoot on 11 June, 2021, 01:39:44 pm
Post by: Tynan2 on 16 June, 2021, 10:32:59 am
As someone whose eyesight is no longer of jet fighter pilot standard, small text on coloured backgrounds is unhelpful although I did enjoy some of the heroic ride stories.
And I was amazed to read about people in favour of e-bikes on audaxes, the only thing that keeps me going sometimes is to know that everyone else is having to do it too, at the end of the day the essence of a bike is that it is powered by the rider surely, calling it an e bike is a bit of a shade of grey, you can call it a moped too. One of the letters said they were not being used on their MTB rides by old people or those with disabilities (or whatever the latest word for that is), they were used by abled bodied rider that liked to get up hills first and didn't care how.
I saw two fellas on a ride once that were 80 and 76, a little feeble but tricked out in full kit and having a whale of a timetelling people how old they were.
Post by: freeflow on 16 June, 2021, 11:18:31 am
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 June, 2021, 11:27:18 am
Post by: Tynan2 on 16 June, 2021, 02:00:37 pm
I remember an article from America where people hired bikes at the top of a mountain and then freewheeled all the way to the bottom without ever once having to turn the pedals. It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 June, 2021, 02:08:58 pm
Post by: Paul H on 16 June, 2021, 03:31:38 pm
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
Post by: aidan.f on 16 June, 2021, 03:42:09 pm
Post by: Tynan2 on 16 June, 2021, 03:49:34 pm
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
you seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it amkes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.
I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of
Post by: Tynan2 on 16 June, 2021, 03:53:25 pm
It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.
I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.
I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.
Post by: freeflow on 16 June, 2021, 04:44:36 pm
Given that you are new to this forum, and that your opinions seem designed to inflame, I'd now invite the mods to check whether or not you are a troll.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 16 June, 2021, 09:33:03 pm
You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.
I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.
I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.
Pedal assist e-bikers are still cyclists. They may not be doing the same amount of effort as us, but they are turning the pedals to make them go. That's cycling. Sure it may be easier for them than it is for you or me, but hey, some rides are easier for others. Should I demand that everyone on the audax carry extra weight on the bike so that they weight the same as me, and thus experience the same problems on the hills? No. We're all cyclists, lifes too short to be fighting among ourselves, when there's idiots in 2 ton death cages who want us dead.
If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.
J
Post by: MattH on 16 June, 2021, 09:38:23 pm
If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.
Surely in the Audax spirit, if you're doing a 600 on an e-bike you should have to carry your own spare batteries all the way around (or use a dynohub to charge them on the downhills) :)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 June, 2021, 09:46:31 pm
Ride an e-bike, enjoy the ride and the scenery and socialising with companions but that should not result in a homologated brevet.
Post by: MattH on 16 June, 2021, 09:53:41 pm
If there's capacity on the rides, I don't see a particular issue with e-bikes riding the route though - only if they stop human powered riders being able to get a spot or cause control overcrowding. They obviously shouldn't be eligible for normal BR or BRM validation (will we need mechanical doping checks?)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 June, 2021, 04:38:08 pm
That's in the latest issue. IN the next one it can be Zen and the Art of E-cycle Maintenance.It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 03 September, 2021, 07:59:46 pm
Post by: trumpet on 04 September, 2021, 09:04:10 pm
Post by: Socks on 07 September, 2021, 12:09:00 pm
I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...
The missing text is:. various aches and pains. The TSR has good luggage capacity and as I would be camping, I used a trailer as well to make packing easier.
The Good Bits -
- a stream of red bike lights stretching out as far as I could see. (I was in the group that started at 9.20pm)
- chatting to another participant, I asked about the different colour number and found out that he had taken part in every previous event
- seeing another cyclist on a shopper bike, serenading us with music from a large radio ...
Post by: bhoot on 09 September, 2021, 03:03:17 pm
Post by: trumpet on 09 September, 2021, 07:55:04 pm
I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...
The missing text is:. various aches and pains. The TSR has good luggage capacity and as I would be camping, I used a trailer as well to make packing easier.
The Good Bits -
- a stream of red bike lights stretching out as far as I could see. (I was in the group that started at 9.20pm)
- chatting to another participant, I asked about the different colour number and found out that he had taken part in every previous event
- seeing another cyclist on a shopper bike, serenading us with music from a large radio ...
Thanks Dave. :)
Post by: Grandad on 15 September, 2021, 01:41:55 am
Quote
I saw two fellas on a ride once that were 80 and 76, a little feeble but tricked out in full kit and having a whale of a timetelling people how old they were.
Only two? On a recent 7 member clubrun the 2 youngsters in their 70s brought the average age down to 79.5.
Whilst we no longer ride audaxes we consider ourselves to be proper cyclists who use technology to extend our active participation. A 100k audax might be doable but I don't see any demand for more than the current 200k limit.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 December, 2021, 02:49:43 pm
Post by: robgul on 09 December, 2021, 02:23:02 pm
What's with the "target locked" graphics on the photos in the latest edition? Particularly on p46, where the line cuts right through the rider and his bike, but also the other photos in that article.
My mag came today - the "design" seems to have overtaken the function throughout - in particular the rule boxes on all the pictures are just awful and unnecessary - especially as above, page 46.
Presumably some Mac-jockey (a.k.a. graphic designer) has had an upgrade to his software with some new tools like the box feature ???
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 09 December, 2021, 05:20:44 pm
I quite like the smell - sorry!
Talking about smells, Dave Twitchett's article (Smoke Signals) has interesting photos, but text that has only a vague connection to them, or Audax come to that - it'd probably be a good article for the VCC magazine though.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 09 December, 2021, 06:04:35 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 09 December, 2021, 06:55:42 pm
I found an arrivee labelled envelope in my mailbox today. Haven't opened it yet tho.
J
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 December, 2021, 07:19:16 pm
On the whole, Arrivee is well designed as well as well written. Better designed than CUK's Cycle magazine, on what I imagine is a far smaller budget. I just found the "target boxes" rather disruptive.
I find the boxes reminiscent of the composing box in the view finder of a Kodak Instamatic 126 camera rather than any sort of target.
Post by: peter simplex on 09 December, 2021, 07:40:28 pm
Talking about smells, Dave Twitchett's article (Smoke Signals) has interesting photos, but text that has only a vague connection to them, or Audax come to that - it'd probably be a good article for the VCC magazine though.
Well, Arrivee contains stand-alone pages on food recipes. Perhaps this concept could be extended to a regular feature on readers' favourite smoking requisites or tobacco mixtures which they have particularly enjoyed on long Audax rides? Pipe smoking has been used to good effect in 24 hour cycle races in the past - see the picture of Norman Maggs here:
https://cyclinguphill.com/classic-cycling-photos/
However I think the following scientific paper might be a tongue-in-cheek, cherry-picked meta-analysis ;D
Cigarette smoking: an underused tool in high-performance endurance training
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001541/
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 09 December, 2021, 07:49:27 pm
Post by: barakta on 09 December, 2021, 10:12:05 pm
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!
Post by: peter simplex on 09 December, 2021, 10:35:18 pm
Me too. In fact I'm quite addicted to the smell. It must be genetic.
I quite like the smell - sorry!
Post by: Rupert on 10 December, 2021, 10:11:52 am
Post by: bhoot on 10 December, 2021, 10:26:35 am
Post by: FifeingEejit on 10 December, 2021, 10:29:39 am
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 December, 2021, 01:47:31 pm
Post by: Kim on 10 December, 2021, 01:48:29 pm
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!
Audax in a nutshell.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 10 December, 2021, 01:58:57 pm
. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell. [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]
I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!
Audax in a nutshell.
POTD (the two together)
J
Post by: Zed43 on 12 December, 2021, 08:54:44 pm
Post by: bhoot on 24 June, 2022, 04:56:49 pm
Post by: trundle on 24 June, 2022, 05:06:35 pm
Post by: perpetual dan on 24 June, 2022, 07:19:12 pm
Post by: MAC on 06 September, 2022, 11:56:08 am
(https://scontent.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305620920_10158891352121186_5782459726429977972_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=Q0sGO2srVCsAX97h4_P&tn=X3yKepI6snIubk0A&_nc_ht=scontent.fman3-1.fna&oh=00_AT-faImHWdwpvtr2Ft1paVMVOVfyuPCK_uWRPEibUGnRyQ&oe=631B2740)
Post by: Feanor on 07 September, 2022, 09:08:30 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 06 December, 2022, 04:07:55 pm
New graphics.
An article by a woman named Jeffery has reinforced need to give pronouns (for which I've been too lazy so far.)
Post by: Notfromrugby on 06 December, 2022, 05:10:57 pm
Looks like a bumper issue!At work everyone is now referred as they by default, I am one of the few that still use he and she… I almost make a point of it… ;D
New graphics.
An article by a woman named Jeffery has reinforced need to give pronouns (for which I've been too lazy so far.)
Post by: MAC on 11 December, 2022, 11:42:54 am
Post by: robgul on 11 December, 2022, 01:54:32 pm
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 11 December, 2022, 10:46:43 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 12 December, 2022, 01:24:38 am
Photography and peinting have come a long way!
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 December, 2022, 11:57:06 am
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 December, 2022, 12:15:07 pm
Post by: Ajax Bay on 31 December, 2022, 11:27:37 am
I expect it will arrive in due course with several more days post all at once at some time in the next month or so.My kind and cheerful postman popped mine through to flap today (NYE).
Editorial theme: bicycle theft and its discouragement.
What does Ged mean by a "axle pin" (remove from front wheel)? Is this a 'thru axle' thingy? Or a QR skewer? I wonder what proportion of AudaxUK membership ride bikes with thru axles, btw?
The trouble with disabling "hacks" is those of us of a forgetting tendency fall foul of eg pulling the chain off the ring.
Apparently "e-bikes are high-value items . . .[and] easily stolen".
Post by: bhoot on 09 March, 2023, 02:54:18 pm
Post by: aidan.f on 09 March, 2023, 07:55:39 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 09 March, 2023, 08:36:40 pm
Post by: FifeingEejit on 09 March, 2023, 09:17:47 pm
Post by: Lightning Phil on 09 March, 2023, 09:31:21 pm
I can smell mine this time.
Does it smell of audax ?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 10 March, 2023, 01:25:02 pm
That smells of blood and snotters.
Post by: Graeme on 11 March, 2023, 03:21:17 pm
Some really nice well written articles in this edition, 'no cyclist is an island' by James Bradbury was especially thought provoking.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that too. And Mike's explanation of eBrevets was good to.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 11 March, 2023, 03:31:19 pm
I’d say take up ranges between 50-75% depending on calendar event. All my perm event entries in 2022 were validated through E-Brevet. I’m hoping for a high E-Brevet take up in this PBP year with larger fields for my events.
I’ll also setup my calendar 400 as a E-Brevet only perm after it runs this year. It wouldn’t work with traditional pop as there aren’t suitable receipt replacements for some of the info locations.
Post by: MAC on 11 March, 2023, 09:08:53 pm
...I’ll also setup my calendar 400 as a E-Brevet only perm after it runs this year. It wouldn’t work with traditional pop as there aren’t suitable receipt replacements for some of the info locations.An eBrevet only perm you say? Good to hear the changes to perm policy are being put to use already.
Post by: DelphCyclist on 12 March, 2023, 08:32:24 pm
Mike
Post by: Ajax Bay on 13 March, 2023, 03:32:47 pm
I'll just leave that out there.
Post by: Ian H on 13 March, 2023, 04:07:55 pm
Post by: FifeingEejit on 13 March, 2023, 06:21:56 pm
Post by: MAC on 13 March, 2023, 07:20:41 pm
I'm delighted to report that the caption for the cover picture "a lethal day out" is a bit of journalistic hyperbole and that no Audaxers were harmed in the running of the Winter Solstice. I did like reference to the "wonderful" Mike Wigley in the article though and Iike to think that that bit of reporting is closer to the mark.Having taken said cover image i can confirm the conditions were not "lethal" but mainly just cold and wet with frozen puddles on othewise well gritted main roads
Mike
Post by: Ajax Bay on 13 March, 2023, 10:49:19 pm
Isn't that standard for all editorials/opinion pieces?Perhaps a certain ex-goal hanger could have added to his 'opinion piece' "NB this is my view and in no way represents the impartial balanced approach of any of my employers".
Post by: FifeingEejit on 13 March, 2023, 11:04:13 pm
It's perhaps most obvious in the Scottish press because believe it or not the papers do publish editorials and opinions the opposite of their political line.
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Post by: GdS on 22 May, 2023, 08:40:08 am
Post by: MAC on 22 May, 2023, 12:19:23 pm
it's been a while since I sent an article, do they all go to Ged now irrespective of which season edition?yes
Post by: jsabine on 22 May, 2023, 06:33:21 pm
Editorials and opinion pieces don't tend to state thy, its just expected that you the reader know that it is a personal piece not the publications line.
Surely editorials - or at least leaders - are the very definition of the publication's line.
Opinion columns are personal, the view of the columnist etc etc
Post by: LiamFitz on 30 May, 2023, 11:56:40 pm
Magazines that follow an 'official' line can be quite dull - especially if the organisation has a Sunak-esque attitude to message control (I should know as I've worked on a few) but unless otherwise stated, I'd assume the magazine of AUK to reflect the organisation and its policy on issues.
Generally, I'm a fan of the magazine these days. I wince at Ged's eye for colour and I'm not sure I have the same sense of humour as him but he's managed to get different voices in there and there are far fewer eight page 6pt pedal stroke by pedal stroke comparative discussion of tarmac conditions in the southern districts of Lancashire and the shocking cost of tea cake in North Norfolk. I didn't like an edit he made to something I wrote but sub editors are not there to be liked by writers - they're there to make the product readable...
If we want more articles about audax events by people who ride audax events, we need to send them in and be mindful that it's always interesting to hear a fresh angle on a subject most of us know a lot about already.
L
(edited because of shocking late night typos)
Post by: Redlight on 01 June, 2023, 03:56:16 pm
I don't have copy to hand but I'm pretty sure there's always a statement to that effect on the inside back cover.
Post by: bhoot on 12 June, 2023, 12:14:35 pm
Post by: hellymedic on 12 June, 2023, 04:39:22 pm
Looks good so far...
Post by: Lightning Phil on 12 June, 2023, 05:17:48 pm
Post by: bhoot on 14 June, 2023, 09:43:33 pm
Post by: Peter on 14 June, 2023, 09:53:21 pm
Post by: arabella on 15 June, 2023, 08:21:15 am
Meanwhile, I have my picture in it this time :D. On a bike with proper gears and everythink. :P
"Does my bum look
edit: I should've known. Answers not required
Post by: MAC on 15 June, 2023, 09:38:08 am
I wasn't. But I'm not vegetarian. (& crucified makes it sound worse, imo)Which pic and I'll give my considered opinion
Meanwhile, I have my picture in it this time :D . On a bike with proper gears and everythink. :P
"Does my bum lookbiggood in this?"
Post by: Peter on 15 June, 2023, 10:27:23 am
I wasn't. But I'm not vegetarian. (& crucified makes it sound worse, imo)
The shock was because you don't expect to sit down with your cycling magazine, then turn a page to be confronted with such an image. Ged, the editor, is also a vegetarian, I think - but he's a sensationalist first. As for "crucified", St. Peter is supposed to have been nailed upside down to a wooden beam. That was called crucifixion, although I accept that it isn't what killed the poor animal.
On the question of bum size, if you are the person I suspect, it looks fine, though demurely obscured by some sort of bag or cape on the rack bag ;)
Post by: Ian H on 16 June, 2023, 10:13:49 pm
I was shocked by the picture of the "crucified" deer.
It's hung in the usual way for butchery. It was road-kill, not clubbed to death by the rider. Having said all that, I think it was a poor editorial decision to include it.
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 17 June, 2023, 07:07:56 am
Agreed - I'm unsure what the photo adds to the story.I was shocked by the picture of the "crucified" deer.
It's hung in the usual way for butchery. It was road-kill, not clubbed to death by the rider. Having said all that, I think it was a poor editorial decision to include it.
I'm not squeamish but I can see that photo being upsetting to a fair few people.
Post by: perpetual dan on 17 June, 2023, 09:53:20 am
The many (mostly brief) write ups of a single event was a different approach that was more interesting.
Post by: mr ben on 18 June, 2023, 02:54:51 pm
Post by: bhoot on 24 June, 2023, 05:54:01 pm
Post by: Zed43 on 25 June, 2023, 09:49:26 am
Post by: quixoticgeek on 25 June, 2023, 12:31:16 pm
Anyone else outside the UK still waiting for the butcher's edition of Arrivée?
Hasn't made it to my side of NL yet...
J
Post by: bhoot on 26 June, 2023, 06:58:08 pm
So feedback from other overseas members (to let me know either way) would be very useful. You can mail me on membership@audax.uk or just post here if you prefer.
Post by: slugbait on 27 June, 2023, 08:21:08 pm
Anyone else outside the UK still waiting for the butcher's edition of Arrivée?
Hasn't made it to my side of NL yet...
J
Also living in the Netherlands, haven't received Arrivée yet.
Post by: bhoot on 27 June, 2023, 09:48:04 pm
Post by: Walter G on 27 June, 2023, 09:59:17 pm
I have heard it has arrived in Germany, so maybe it is a Netherlands thing. If you don't have it by the end of the week please email me (I do know who you are really, but an email means it goes onto my to-do list) and I will send a replacement.Zuidlaren did not receive this edition as well. You will get an e-mail from Mark H.
Post by: Andy W on 28 June, 2023, 06:31:28 am
Post by: bhoot on 28 June, 2023, 07:35:42 am
Post by: Walter G on 28 June, 2023, 03:33:16 pm
It should be with all UK members by now, so drop me a mail and I will send a replacement. Given we send around 7500 copies out it is almost inevitable that a small number go astray.Le magazine est arrivé aujourd'hui.
Post by: slugbait on 28 June, 2023, 05:49:53 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 June, 2023, 03:50:57 pm
My housemate informs me that "Audax UK has arrived". I assume that means arrive magazine, and that you haven't all themed up expecting cake?
J
Post by: Zed43 on 29 June, 2023, 05:17:37 pm
Post by: iscunonove on 29 June, 2023, 07:09:52 pm
Worth the wait though. Looks like some interesting articles.
Post by: bhoot on 26 August, 2023, 10:24:49 pm
I also have a decent stock of June issue spares - so as always if you are an organiser wanting some to hand out at your event, or you have a suitable place to take some copies like a bike shop or cycle cafe, or would just like some to pass on to friend/clubmates who aren't AUK members, let me know (membership@audax.uk) and I will send some your way. It's better to have them out there being read than just thrown away.
Post by: pineapple bod on 08 September, 2023, 09:53:56 pm
Post by: Ruthie on 08 September, 2023, 11:42:57 pm
Post by: Zed43 on 13 September, 2023, 04:45:51 pm
(no need to re-send, I'll read the online version once it's available)
Post by: Walter G on 13 September, 2023, 08:33:22 pm
An empty envelope arrived in my Dutch mailbox today. Rather neatly damaged on the full left-hand side edge ???; I suppose some Postal Person is now enjoying the magazine.
(no need to re-send, I'll read the online version once it's available)
I can save it for you.
I am looking forward to read the report of Matt and Stu's big ride in Scotland.
Post by: slugbait on 20 September, 2023, 12:47:42 pm
An empty envelope arrived in my Dutch mailbox today. Rather neatly damaged on the full left-hand side edge ???; I suppose some Postal Person is now enjoying the magazine.
(no need to re-send, I'll read the online version once it's available)
Curiously, living two kilometers north of Zed43, I had the same: envelope neatly damaged on the full left-hand side edge. However, the magazine was still in the envelope. I guess that the postal person decided not to steal a second copy ;-)
Post by: quixoticgeek on 28 September, 2023, 10:58:23 pm
My copy has yet to arrive...
J
Post by: robgul on 14 December, 2023, 07:54:37 am
Post by: Owen on 14 December, 2023, 10:12:05 am
Owen
Post by: bhoot on 14 December, 2023, 10:15:48 am
Post by: bhoot on 14 December, 2023, 10:17:43 am
Got my copy on Tuesday . . . and they've reintroduced the ink smell at the printers . . . . . . . it really is awful so my copy has been banished to the garage by Mrs robgul.I have a lot of copies in the house and haven't noticed an odd odour. Normally I have got a good sense of smell........
Goes off to sniff box full of magazines.....
Post by: FifeingEejit on 14 December, 2023, 02:01:52 pm
Post by: Lightning Phil on 14 December, 2023, 07:43:50 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 14 December, 2023, 07:53:17 pm
Post by: quixoticgeek on 14 December, 2023, 10:19:59 pm
An envelope has arrived. Haven't opened it yet tho.
J
Post by: Peter on 14 December, 2023, 10:48:21 pm
Got my copy on Tuesday . . . and they've reintroduced the ink smell at the printers . . . . . . . it really is awful so my copy has been banished to the garage by Mrs robgul.
Same here. I suspect people who don't notice anything untoward have something wrong with their olfactory system.
I'm enjoying the content, though. Especially the mild bragging (joke, maybe?) about Cross Of Greet having a "gentle kicker" at the top - not from the north, it doesn't!
Post by: John Stonebridge on 15 December, 2023, 03:09:31 pm
On the back of this thread I went and sought it out again and had a good sniff. "Noticeable but not overpowering" I'd say.
In the act of proactively sniffing a magazine I was reminded of a disciplinary case I was involved in many years ago at work.
Part of the duties of a an individual employed as a car park attendant was to park the staff cars in a tiny Edinburgh city centre car park - some expertise was needed to ensure that the maximum number of cars could fit in to the very small city centre car park.
In the course of his duties he had developed a penchant for smelling the seats of cars dropped off by women workers.
His line manager wanted him dismissed for gross misconduct (matters were made more complicated as his wife was one of the aforementioned female workers) and the individual himself saw no wrong in his conduct.
I concluded that a written warning was sufficient.
Can't please everybody
Post by: Peter on 15 December, 2023, 03:16:46 pm
Post by: He’s off again on 15 December, 2023, 09:53:10 pm
The wife and kids are all looking at me like there’s something wrong with me!
Anyway I couldn’t smell anything unusual but did reflect that I like that it’s printed on a nice substantial paper rather than something resembling tissue paper.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 December, 2023, 09:33:50 am
Post by: Ian H on 16 December, 2023, 11:05:13 am
Post by: robgul on 16 December, 2023, 01:25:27 pm
The smell might be from copies first off the press where the ink hadn't fully dried or cured before packing.
. . as a former printer (some while ago) the printed sheets are very probably UV-cured/dried as they leave the press cylinders into the machine's delivery stack - the sheets would have then been through a folding machine before reaching the stitch & trim line.
Post by: sparklyfish on 16 December, 2023, 08:38:00 pm
(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/vPY_Ka3rGzwRk2S8wYTssu0fkLBBKUR9V5371qw5trE-2048x1536.jpg)
It's in the Ashdon village museum, which is open on (some?) Sunday afternoons in the summer - CTC Cambridge sometimes visit for afternoon tea. The sign is definitely due a comeback!
Post by: Ribena75 on 17 December, 2023, 05:05:03 pm
Post by: mr ben on 20 December, 2023, 11:23:31 am