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Title: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 30 April, 2023, 10:31:24 am
Is on Freeview, DMAX, starting sat. 6th @ 19:00.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 04 May, 2023, 11:21:32 am
Thanks.  Streaming stuff
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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 04 May, 2023, 01:24:12 pm
Yep, and I’m going to be checking it (as my box doesn’t flag up clashes with DMAX) out on the free account I signed up to on Discovery+ (my TV let me install the app, remarkably) that promises 30 days of catch-up of certain things, including I think the Giro.

ETA; Nope, subscription required, but I ponied up, as they do other races too.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 06 May, 2023, 07:44:41 pm
Streaming stuff. 
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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: perpetual dan on 06 May, 2023, 07:53:52 pm
DMAX seems to be a subscription channel on my virgin cable tv, hoping there’s an English alternative on S4C.
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Post by: andyoxon on 06 May, 2023, 09:42:58 pm
Streaming stuff
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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Phil Hears A Who on 06 May, 2023, 11:03:09 pm
Anyone know if there's an english language replay/highlights on disccovery+?   I don't know how Discovery+ gets away with being so poor, with almost random thumbnails, with no clear indication as to exactly what they are, & no schedule table.  ::-)

Yep they do, they normally air a 1hr highlights show at about 8 or 9pm after each stage, you can't watch the highlights till it airs live. they also do some shorter highlights on demand, again appearing a bit later.

I generally find the 1hr highlights hit or miss, they're just bits of the live coverage stitched together with no extra narrative. often they'll just be the last hour of a stage, with zero storytelling of even the outline of the rest of the stage.

Edit: they also have full stage replays on demand for a decent time afterwards
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 07 May, 2023, 07:20:17 am
I watch cycling on Eurosoport, via Virgin Media, channel 521 or 522.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: perpetual dan on 07 May, 2023, 10:01:50 am
Mrs Dan discovered that there’s a free trial of Discovery+ on her Prime subscription. So we watched the highlights on that.

The swoopy camera in a VR studio is all a bit different to the ITV4 aesthetic, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Basil on 07 May, 2023, 01:37:51 pm
It's live on S4C right now, if that's of any help to anyone.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 08 May, 2023, 10:29:53 am


For clarity, is this a thread to discuss the race, or where to view the race? If only the later do we have a thread for the race ?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 May, 2023, 10:36:53 am
Certainly GC discussion ended after Stage 1...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 08 May, 2023, 11:40:49 am
For clarity, is this a thread to discuss the race, or where to view the race? If only the later do we have a thread for the race ?

Streaming stuff
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As you were, back to the race.  ;)

I see the podium are still popping prosecco corks... #Girmay
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: perpetual dan on 08 May, 2023, 10:33:23 pm
That looked like a filthy day out, but nice to watch!

The animated Giro logo is quite upsetting though.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Pingu on 08 May, 2023, 11:58:47 pm
Is on Freeview, DMAX, starting sat. 6th @ 19:00.

I had to retune the Humax to find that channel. Mrs P is not impressed.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 09 May, 2023, 11:34:24 am
Lumpy one today 2000m/100km (3500m/175km)...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 09 May, 2023, 11:53:48 am
DMAX seems to be a subscription channel on my virgin cable tv, hoping there’s an English alternative on S4C.
DMAX seems to be free on Freeview, channel 39
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 09 May, 2023, 02:06:58 pm
So apparently the big question is... why is Remco the only rider wearing leg warmers?   ;)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 09 May, 2023, 03:09:49 pm
Fast racing from the start today , ages until something noteworthy stuck. Wonder if Remco is overdressed just to whip it all off later and try something on the wee little lump near the end - can’t see it to be fair… maybe he’s just cold
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 09 May, 2023, 07:25:27 pm
So apparently the big question is... why is Remco the only rider wearing leg warmers?   ;)

Did noone else notice Vlasov the sneakyfuknrussian or who ever it was going off towards the end of the TT wearing a buff or a burka or somesuch? Well covered up he was.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 10 May, 2023, 12:38:00 pm
Dog loose on the road wet mirror surface...   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 10 May, 2023, 01:38:20 pm
Another reason that all dogs should be banned.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 10 May, 2023, 08:15:44 pm
Cav styles it out. Just.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 10 May, 2023, 08:33:59 pm
'parently Dainese was demoted.

Having deliberately given up the maglia rosa, not quite going according to plan for Remco atm; fortunate not to lose a chunk of time.

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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 10 May, 2023, 09:33:47 pm
'parently Dainese was demoted.

Farcical that mind
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 10 May, 2023, 09:44:12 pm
Cav still managed a 5th place finish despite sliding across the finish line
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: JonBuoy on 10 May, 2023, 10:10:21 pm
Cav's throw for the line was indeed a bit unconventional:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvyAYYwWcAEg9hp?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Phil Hears A Who on 10 May, 2023, 10:18:10 pm
Remco looked to be putting on quite a show for the cameras today, needing his team to lift him back to his feet after crash #1,  similarly slow to get up after crash #2, and all of the gesticulation to his team car on the roll to the finish. All looked rather princessly to me

Not exactly blameless in that final crash either imo...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 11 May, 2023, 01:58:13 pm
Amalfi coast...   :thumbsup:  Amazing views.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: drgannet on 11 May, 2023, 02:30:49 pm
Amalfi coast...   :thumbsup:  Amazing views.

Looks like a great place for a wee tour.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 11 May, 2023, 10:21:40 pm
Amalfi coast...   :thumbsup:  Amazing views.

Looks like a great place for a wee tour.


Indeed   :)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 12 May, 2023, 04:39:27 pm
Gran Sasso 'dossing' day..?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Phil Hears A Who on 13 May, 2023, 08:35:33 am
Gran Sasso 'dossing' day..?

Disappointingly dull back in the peloton but I do just love seeing riders from the minor teams winning from a break
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Pingu on 13 May, 2023, 08:26:00 pm
Rather better today  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 13 May, 2023, 10:15:14 pm
Got some motor on him that Ben Healy
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 13 May, 2023, 10:55:32 pm
Cav's throw for the line was indeed a bit unconventional:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvyAYYwWcAEg9hp?format=jpg)

Mr 201 down in the bottom of the shot looks really wide in that photo.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 14 May, 2023, 09:14:21 am
Good ride by BH.

Complete first week (stg1-7) Giro GC action summary:  RE doesn't fancy being in maglia rosa after stg1, so hands it to another team.  The end.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2023, 09:23:57 am
I'm looking forward to the stage  into Switzerland over the Grand Saint Bernard pass as I drove it in my campervan with my smalls about 5 or 6 years ago.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 14 May, 2023, 09:50:15 am
Hope stg 20 mountain TT goes ahead - 'parently riders unhappy about only motorbike support...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 14 May, 2023, 08:37:21 pm


Well that's closes things up a bit...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 14 May, 2023, 10:21:10 pm
And goodnight Remco. Hope he feels better soon. Now it's down to Tao, G and Rog to duke it out - with G in pink from Tuesday AM. If they can stay infection-free.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 14 May, 2023, 10:22:21 pm

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/remco-evenepoel-out-of-giro-ditalia-following-covid-19-positive/

(Link to explain why TimC says goodnight to Remco).

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 14 May, 2023, 10:38:07 pm

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/remco-evenepoel-out-of-giro-ditalia-following-covid-19-positive/

(Link to explain why TimC says goodnight to Remco).

J
Thanks. Rough for Remco though.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Pingu on 14 May, 2023, 11:09:58 pm
And goodnight Remco. Hope he feels better soon. Now it's down to Tao, G and Rog to duke it out - with G in pink from Tuesday AM. If they can stay infection-free.

Given what's happened to Gaaaannnna and how much Matteo Tosatto was coughing post-race...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 14 May, 2023, 11:17:14 pm


Is the giro Gona come down to the last man standing?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 14 May, 2023, 11:56:34 pm
Yes, wonders who's next for COVID, given it's already been in the INEOS camp...

Guessing Remco may now ride in TdF.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: farfetched on 15 May, 2023, 11:30:28 am
Yes, wonders who's next for COVID, given it's already been in the INEOS camp...

Guessing Remco may now ride in TdF.

The 'experts' on Belgian media are divided if he will ride the TdF, first of all SQS will be taking a sprinter so if he goes its unlikely to be for GC, and most importantly Belgian media will heap a whole load of unrealistic pressure on him if he does ride the TdF. They see him as the successor to good old Eddy... so if he goes with GC ambitions he has to be 100%.

Its more likely he will do the World Championships and Vuelta now (if fit post Covid)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 15 May, 2023, 12:02:08 pm
Get the impression RE doesn’t really fancy the TdF yet
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 15 May, 2023, 12:35:35 pm
And goodnight Remco. Hope he feels better soon. Now it's down to Tao, G and Rog to duke it out - with G in pink from Tuesday AM. If they can stay infection-free.

Given what's happened to Gaaaannnna and how much Matteo Tosatto was coughing post-race...

Tosatto might just be exercise induced asthma.  And I think it also depends on the team protocols for testing. Do they test all riders every day, or just those who look to be ill (in which case, Covid or not, they should probably leave the race).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Nuncio on 15 May, 2023, 02:42:44 pm
Tosatto might just be exercise induced asthma.
Unlikely, given that he sits in a car all day.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 15 May, 2023, 02:49:52 pm
Tosatto might just be exercise induced asthma.
Unlikely, given that he sits in a car all day.

 ;D of course  ::-)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 15 May, 2023, 05:54:40 pm
The Tao - Geraint dynamic will be interesting...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 16 May, 2023, 01:04:47 pm
The Tao - Geraint dynamic will be interesting...

They've been in this position before, and seem quite happy to work for whoever is feeling/doing best. I don't anticipate any Wiggins/Froome style antipathy.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 16 May, 2023, 01:18:07 pm
Given the weather, it could be Giro d'UK today...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 16 May, 2023, 03:09:47 pm


How many crashes ?!?!?!

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 16 May, 2023, 03:18:44 pm
Wouldn’t like to have a bike and rider clatter into me because I wasn’t looking , bet that guy’s in the dog house
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 16 May, 2023, 03:20:31 pm
Wouldn’t like to have a bike and rider clatter into me because I wasn’t looking , bet that guy’s in the dog house

Who was it ?

Will he get sent home ?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 16 May, 2023, 03:29:24 pm
Team guy grabbing a new bike for an Arkea ? Rider ( don’t know who ) that was down , stepped out past the team car and Bettiol ( EF ) smacked right into him , was NOT a happy bunny
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 16 May, 2023, 08:09:01 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 16 May, 2023, 08:43:03 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J
Ineos Grenadiers presumably, rather than Team Sky.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Phil Hears A Who on 16 May, 2023, 09:41:30 pm
Wouldn’t like to have a bike and rider clatter into me because I wasn’t looking , bet that guy’s in the dog house

Who was it ?

Will he get sent home ?

J

Someone from the race organisers. Perhaps a less acrimonious outcome than if it had been another team's soigneur taking out Barguil, but I'd imagine that bloke has got a one way ticket to the shit list with his boss.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: drgannet on 17 May, 2023, 12:10:56 pm
Jens Voigt was excellent on the motorbike yesterday. Hope GCN involve him a lot more in future.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 17 May, 2023, 02:42:35 pm
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down, & out.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 May, 2023, 02:42:45 pm
You're gonna wanna watch the highlights today...


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J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: finch on 17 May, 2023, 02:48:51 pm
Dramastic
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: JonBuoy on 17 May, 2023, 04:40:30 pm
The Tao - Geraint dynamic will be interesting...

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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 17 May, 2023, 09:16:54 pm
Hopefully late enough not to matter - TGH has a fractured hip requiring surgery  :-\
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 17 May, 2023, 09:52:22 pm
That’s terrible. Potentially career-ending for him.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 18 May, 2023, 12:54:23 am
That’s terrible. Potentially career-ending for him.

Let's not write him off just yet - many have recovered from injuries just as serious. It's a great shame, of course, but it was an accident that really was one of those things. I'm quite sure that if he can be back, he will. Bernal and Froome are likely to be able to give him much advice.

In the meantime, great to see Cav right up there in the fight for the win. I'm aware that Astana have said that if he wins a stage in the Giro, they'll take him to the Tour. But they don't have a realistic GC contender, and Cav is likely their best chance at a stage win. They'd be foolish not to take him, especially given his motivation for that stage win!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 18 May, 2023, 08:14:17 am
That’s terrible. Potentially career-ending for him.

Let's not write him off just yet - many have recovered from injuries just as serious.

Equally Beloki was never the same again. Bernal has yet to show how well he's recovered, but TGH has youth on his side - and "fracture" covers a multitude of possibilities.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 18 May, 2023, 09:03:42 pm
DMAX TV highlights started with 4km to go...   :P
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 18 May, 2023, 09:16:16 pm
DMAX TV highlights started with 4km to go...   :P

Not true, at least the ones I saw.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 18 May, 2023, 10:13:19 pm
Yeah, you're right 'partially recorded' - last 30 mins...  May not seek out the first half, though.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: IanDG on 18 May, 2023, 10:19:06 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J


Who are team Sky?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 18 May, 2023, 10:37:35 pm
That’s terrible. Potentially career-ending for him.

Let's not write him off just yet - many have recovered from injuries just as serious.

Equally Beloki was never the same again. Bernal has yet to show how well he's recovered, but TGH has youth on his side - and "fracture" covers a multitude of possibilities.

3 years after his crash he got caught up in the Fuentes Operation Puerto scandal.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 19 May, 2023, 09:02:41 am
Wonders what the chances of any GC action today is...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 May, 2023, 09:29:54 am

Quote
The stage WILL go ahead today, but will be shortened, with a new race start. The riders will be bussed to the new start after the neutral roll out. All the details on the Breakaway in 5.
- https://twitter.com/SportsOrla/status/1659475295374835713

Looks like things are getting mixed up.

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 19 May, 2023, 10:41:31 am
Now shortened to Croix de Coeur, & summit finish...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 19 May, 2023, 01:37:37 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J


Who are team Sky?


Are we going to 'ironically' refer to all of the teams by their 2012 names, or just Ineos? Do we do so to prove we know who they used to be, or are we to infer that they are operating in some sort of disguise? Or is it to say 'I didn't like Sky and I don't like the team now, even though the name has changed'?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 19 May, 2023, 01:41:29 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J


Who are team Sky?


Are we going to 'ironically' refer to all of the teams by their 2012 names, or just Ineos? Do we do so to prove we know who they used to be, or are we to infer that they are operating in some sort of disguise? Or is it to say 'I didn't like Sky and I don't like the team now, even though the name has changed'?

No, it's cos I couldn't remember the name Ineos. Brain fart on my part.

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 May, 2023, 01:48:08 pm
I understand why stages are being shortened and neutralised, along with rider wellbeing and all that but do you think that, in a few decades' time, fans will recall and journalists will write stories about "Remember that time when all the riders hopped into their team buses..."?
https://pezcyclingnews.com/latestnews/gavia-1988-andy-hampstens-epic-stage/
https://capovelo.com/remembering-bernard-hinaults-1980-liege-bastogne-liege-victory/
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 19 May, 2023, 02:40:57 pm
Geraint with 'fume la pipe' rain jacket...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 19 May, 2023, 03:33:28 pm
I understand why stages are being shortened and neutralised, along with rider wellbeing and all that but do you think that, in a few decades' time, fans will recall and journalists will write stories about "Remember that time when all the riders hopped into their team buses..."
https://pezcyclingnews.com/latestnews/gavia-1988-andy-hampstens-epic-stage/
https://capovelo.com/remembering-bernard-hinaults-1980-liege-bastogne-liege-victory/

Thanks for those amazing reminders!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 19 May, 2023, 04:22:40 pm
Wonders what the chances of any GC action today is...

Oh well...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2023, 06:49:50 am
I'm looking forward to  the stage into Switzerland over the Grand Saint Bernard pass as I drove it in my campervan with my smalls about 5 or 6 years ago.

Oh well
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 20 May, 2023, 07:43:29 am
I understand why stages are being shortened and neutralised, along with rider wellbeing and all that but do you think that, in a few decades' time, fans will recall and journalists will write stories about "Remember that time when all the riders hopped into their team buses..."
https://pezcyclingnews.com/latestnews/gavia-1988-andy-hampstens-epic-stage/
https://capovelo.com/remembering-bernard-hinaults-1980-liege-bastogne-liege-victory/

That's a decent mountain stage...  :)

(https://pezcyclingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/giro14st16-profile.jpg)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 20 May, 2023, 03:15:08 pm

Team sky have 4 riders in the top 10. That's gotta be a fun discussion on the team bus...

J


Who are team Sky?


Are we going to 'ironically' refer to all of the teams by their 2012 names, or just Ineos? Do we do so to prove we know who they used to be, or are we to infer that they are operating in some sort of disguise? Or is it to say 'I didn't like Sky and I don't like the team now, even though the name has changed'?

No, it's cos I couldn't remember the name Ineos. Brain fart on my part.

J

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 20 May, 2023, 04:54:28 pm
Everyone in the pink jersey seems to want to give it away  ;)   apart from end of stage 20
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 20 May, 2023, 07:17:32 pm
Hmm, no highlights on DMAX tonight it seems.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 20 May, 2023, 08:16:14 pm
Hmm, no highlights on DMAX tonight it seems.

It's in the listings for 7pm but seems like they've done a Quest and shown something else instead. Muppets.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 20 May, 2023, 09:43:50 pm
Hmm, no highlights on DMAX tonight it seems.

It's in the listings for 7pm but seems like they've done a Quest and shown something else instead. Muppets.

YEP, “We’re sorry for the change in programme”  ::-)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 21 May, 2023, 07:22:17 am

Everyone in the pink jersey seems to want to give it away  ;)   apart from end of stage 20
Losing the pink jersey was planned. Today (Sunday) is supposed to be a very tough climbing stage, so his team didn't want the burden of controlling the peloton. Bruno Armirail isn't considered to be a serious General Classification (GC) contender, so Ineos aren't too bothered about him. Thomas's main concern is to keep an eye on Roglic.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 21 May, 2023, 01:10:25 pm
Own the pink.  Lightweights.  ;)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: toontra on 21 May, 2023, 01:25:30 pm
I'm finding the whole thing rather underwhelming this year.  I'm sure it's fantastic for the individual riders who are winning stages against the odds but the GC "battle" hasn't got going after 2 weeks.  Marking each other 13k behind the break yesterday was the prime example.

Probably showing my ignorance - I'm not really knowledgeable about racing in general. I just like seeing the GC contenders bashing the $**t out of each other day after day ;)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 21 May, 2023, 07:49:46 pm


Wait. Did the sun actually come out today?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 23 May, 2023, 03:38:00 pm

Finally. Something's happening...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 23 May, 2023, 04:01:53 pm
Boom.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 23 May, 2023, 04:05:54 pm

Well.

Um.

Oooh.

Eeeh!

EEEK!

That's mixed things up a little...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 23 May, 2023, 09:16:26 pm
Just watched it.

No real surprises other than Thomas got one over Roglic.  Barring accidents/illness I think we are already looking at the podium. Rest day for GC riders tomorrow, then 2 mountain stages. TT on Saturday could be exciting or not.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 May, 2023, 02:27:40 pm
Eurosport are previewing the mountain time trial and speculating that some riders might opt for triple chainrings.  I do hope so, it might revive a technology I find vital for long audax events
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Ruthie on 24 May, 2023, 03:24:51 pm
Loving the whole thing, but most especially Jens. Giving ALL my everyday activities a Jens Voight-style commentary right now and everything is better  8)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 25 May, 2023, 06:57:52 am
.. opt for triple chainrings. 
That would be utter lunacy :jurek: , we all know that the internet is awash with people saying
triples are difficult to set up correctly. And would the pro teams' professional mechanics
even have seen one, let alone get di2, etc to cope with it. :-D   *






*Just in case you electronic shifting fanboys/girls get hot under the collar, I wasn't being
serious about the second sentence above.




Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 May, 2023, 10:04:51 am
Any news on what happened to Cav yesterday? He was busy being grumpy after the finish, but yer man from DMAX wasn't brave enough to ask him why.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 25 May, 2023, 12:03:29 pm
Here is a very interesting article by Chris Horner (former winner of the Vuelta) on Mark Cavendish
in yesterday's stage 17. He is very impartial and doesn't pull any punches in his assessment.
To get to the meat of the video go to @14:07. I think he is spot-on with everything he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_WyinN9Eg
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: hatler on 25 May, 2023, 12:43:06 pm
In the live commentary for the Giro's website today is this : -

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5 men in charge!
At 3 km from the GPM in the lead are Aurélien Paret-Peintre (AG2R Citroën), Derek Gee, Marco Frigo (Israel-PremierTech), Thibaut Pinot (Groupama-FDJ) and Filippo Zana (Green Project-Bardiani CSF-Faizanè). Pronskiy also tried to come back, but he rebounded and is now in a bain-marie

"Bain-marie" ?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: cygnet on 26 May, 2023, 07:23:32 am
Hot water?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 26 May, 2023, 08:01:08 am
Any news on what happened to Cav yesterday? He was busy being grumpy after the finish, but yer man from DMAX wasn't brave enough to ask him why.

Frustration I guess. There was a lot of pre-stage stuff on social media making out that this stage was made for Cav. In the end he was never anywhere near the right place in the last couple of km.

One thing I don't understand is why he chose to announce his retirement on that rest day.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Tim Hall on 26 May, 2023, 08:50:09 am
Here is a very interesting article by Chris Horner (former winner of the Vuelta) on Mark Cavendish
in yesterday's stage 17. He is very impartial and doesn't pull any punches in his assessment.
To get to the meat of the video go to @14:07. I think he is spot-on with everything he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_WyinN9Eg

Thanks. I liked that.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 26 May, 2023, 12:00:10 pm
Can't see anyone GC contenders distancing G today - unless UnforeSeeable makes an appearance...  ;)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 26 May, 2023, 12:34:43 pm
Go Ben...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Nuncio on 26 May, 2023, 02:25:11 pm
He didn't mind annoying pretty much everyone did he?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 26 May, 2023, 03:17:41 pm
Loved the way he went a second time... then had a smile with JV team.

'parently Primoz Roglic's cassette for tomorrow's TT today's final hilly bit is a 1x 10-44...   :D
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 26 May, 2023, 03:48:00 pm


Well todays swimming stage is interesting...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 11:13:39 am
https://twitter.com/biciPRO1/status/1662378974704484352

Roglic has been out on a stage recon this morning...

What are we predicting the outcome to be? Can he gain >26 seconds?

Ye gods that climb looks utterly brutal:

https://veloviewer.com/segment/33194334

Is there a time limit cut off for the slowest riders?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: cygnet on 27 May, 2023, 12:19:57 pm
Winner +25% for TTs.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 27 May, 2023, 12:22:35 pm
The fastest time so far is ~48 minutes, and about 35 of that is on the 8km of the mountain part. That's easily enough to lose minutes of time if anything goes wrong, or even if a rider's legs don't turn up. The additional risk of a bike change (everyone in GC will do it) makes it even more possible that there'll be an upset. I won't make any predictions till G has got across the line!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 12:52:27 pm
opt for triple chainrings

Well roglic is rumoured to use a 1x with a 11-44 cassette and a 40 chain ring for the climb part.

The bike change is weird...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 27 May, 2023, 12:56:55 pm
It'll go down to the wire I suspect
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 01:19:58 pm


For all the talk of the climb, the TV cameras seem to stop at the corner turning into the climb...


J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 27 May, 2023, 01:42:29 pm
Winner +25% for TTs.

It’s 50% today.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 27 May, 2023, 01:45:57 pm
opt for triple chainrings

Well roglic is rumoured to use a 1x with a 11-44 cassette and a 40 chain ring for the climb part.

The bike change is weird...

J

40 front, 10 (not 11) - 44 yesterday. Maybe a smaller front ring today. The bike change is the quickest way to do the route, and it wasn’t prohibited when they first did it some years ago so it’s a thing now. Triples? No chance. None of the electronic groupsets are compatible.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 27 May, 2023, 02:03:02 pm
G using a 50/34 with 34t cassette for the climb apparently.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 May, 2023, 03:30:08 pm
A lot of riders did a bike change on the Planches des Belles Filles TT stage on the Tour when Pog blitzed everyone.  Bardet did one at the one in Pau in 2019 too, not that it did him any good.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 04:06:04 pm

Commentators are talking about the heat of wearing a full TT helmet.

Is there anything in the rules that says the team can't have people at the side of the road shooting their riders with super soakers?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 27 May, 2023, 04:49:56 pm
Oops...  :o
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 04:50:22 pm


Well fuck...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 27 May, 2023, 04:56:38 pm
Haven't seen anyone else have a mechanical...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 27 May, 2023, 04:58:29 pm
Punishing...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 27 May, 2023, 04:59:55 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 05:00:59 pm


(click to show/hide)

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Hot Flatus on 27 May, 2023, 05:04:25 pm
It'll go down to the wire I suspect

14 seconds.

Rog probably lost another 8 seconds on that mechanical.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 May, 2023, 05:08:39 pm


Who got KOM in the end ?

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 27 May, 2023, 05:35:06 pm
Gutted for Thomas  :(
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: fd3 on 27 May, 2023, 07:57:35 pm
I thought he was classy
Quote
I guess it's nice to lose by that much rather than a second or two - at least he smashed me.
Didn't see it coming.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 27 May, 2023, 07:59:47 pm
Yes, it's a shame.

But Thomas is 37, Roglic (only) 33 and I thought for a while that this shows just how hard these two are.  And I also thought what this result says about the state of pro cycling, when you think who wasn't riding or didn't finish - including most of the young guns, Van der Poel, Evanepoel, Pogacar.  Credit to Thomas and Roglic for making a good race of it but I was a little disappointed to think that (for me at any rate)  this is the second most important race in the calendar, the worlds champs being a Classic, really and I would hope to have the world's best contesting it as they used to.  I know there are all sorts of reasons (called money) but I don't like it.

Now it's time for our next hymn ...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 27 May, 2023, 10:54:40 pm
Aw.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Pingu on 27 May, 2023, 11:19:40 pm
It'll go down to the wire I suspect

14 seconds.

Rog probably lost another 8 seconds on that mechanical.

And Thomas lost ~5 seconds on the magic hat swap.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 28 May, 2023, 05:34:35 pm
 :thumbsup: ;D. Wow!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Socks on 28 May, 2023, 05:45:28 pm
What a Fan bloody Tastic finish!  (And thank you G)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: hatler on 28 May, 2023, 08:36:08 pm
And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Snakehips on 28 May, 2023, 08:40:30 pm
And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.
Everlasting kudos for that
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: TimC on 29 May, 2023, 12:38:05 am
And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

it was something of a conspiracy of Brits to get him to the point of the sprint, but the combination of a crash behind and an unwillingness of those left at the front to challenge Cav made it a bit of a false victory. Nevertheless the entire peloton enjoyed and celebrated Cav's win, and why should we take it away from him? It looked good, and it was in an historic place at an entirely appropriate time. Of course, it bumps up the expectations of the TdF even more, but the organisers and the spectators (including us) aren't going to object about that!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 29 May, 2023, 10:04:38 am
And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

it was something of a conspiracy of Brits to get him to the point of the sprint, but the combination of a crash behind and an unwillingness of those left at the front to challenge Cav made it a bit of a false victory. Nevertheless the entire peloton enjoyed and celebrated Cav's win, and why should we take it away from him? It looked good, and it was in an historic place at an entirely appropriate time. Of course, it bumps up the expectations of the TdF even more, but the organisers and the spectators (including us) aren't going to object about that!

Ooh, controversial...  ;)  What's the evidence that the crash effected the results, or that the Giro sprinters gifted Cav the win for posterity?

e.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 29 May, 2023, 10:07:37 am
Probably the fact that he won?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Pingu on 29 May, 2023, 10:24:41 am
By a large margin.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 29 May, 2023, 10:31:16 am
I going with won fair & square anyway.  The crash may have distracted Milan/others, but crashes are 'part & parcel'.  Yes Geraint's lead out was helpful, but Cav was in a good position near the end, and some of the contenders prob launched a bit early.  Can't see there's much in the way of evidence at all of a 'gift' to cav, in the final straight.

edit.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 29 May, 2023, 10:54:47 am
I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature. 
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: JonBuoy on 29 May, 2023, 11:29:55 am
I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature.

...unless they are on the same team.  Thinking particularly of Michael Mørkøv.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 29 May, 2023, 01:10:13 pm
I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature.

...unless they are on the same team.  Thinking particularly of Michael Mørkøv.

Fair point, but I was commenting on this Giro, not racing in general.  And in the case of lead-out riders like Morkov and others of that ilk, that’s their job for which they are handsomely rewarded, until such time as they try to be a leader themselves. Same goes for the super-domestiques.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: sizbut on 29 May, 2023, 03:04:27 pm
Yeah, Cavendish getting a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 8th in Giro 2023 sprint stages was purely by some connivence of the rest of the peleton. Points are given for the first 15th finishers on a stage because you don't end up in the first 15 at the finish by accident. So for a former sprinter with no specialist lead-out train to do that, the only conclusion must be some form of put up job. How could anyone other than utter dupes believe that ability to actually sprint might come into it.   
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 29 May, 2023, 04:47:31 pm
Don't worry sizbut - you are among friends!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Ivo on 29 May, 2023, 06:52:12 pm
Yeah, Cavendish getting a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 8th in Giro 2023 sprint stages was purely by some connivence of the rest of the peleton. Points are given for the first 15th finishers on a stage because you don't end up in the first 15 at the finish by accident. So for a former sprinter with no specialist lead-out train to do that, the only conclusion must be some form of put up job. How could anyone other than utter dupes believe that ability to actually sprint might come into it.

A number of top sprinters are already out of the race. A number of topsprinters weren't well placed, made tactical errors. THe points didn't matter anymore as the points classification was already decided. So those who couldn't win had no incentive to continue sprinting to the line.
Add to that the near absence of team lead out trains, it came down to luck and the ability to read a sprint. And an older sprinter is nearly always the better tactician.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: sizbut on 29 May, 2023, 07:23:20 pm
....mmmh, some people clearly don't understand sarcasm, or the 11k Euro in prize money and 180 UCI points for winning a stage.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 29 May, 2023, 08:06:07 pm
Oh, I think they understand it all right - which is why they might object to being called utter dupes!

Anyway, he still won.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: sizbut on 29 May, 2023, 08:18:05 pm
Oh, I think they understand it all right - which is why they might object to being called utter dupes!

Anyway, he still won.

! I was calling myself one of the "utter dupes" for being in the collective who think Cavendish won on ability on the day rather than gift/we can't be bothered to race conspiracy by the peleton - yes.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: Peter on 29 May, 2023, 08:55:17 pm
OK - my head hurts!  Do you think he'll get to ride the Tour?  I suppose it's odds-on.  By the way, I saw a very scathing you tube video by Chris Horner on Cavendish but I don't know if he's done one after yesterday's victory.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 30 May, 2023, 07:53:57 am
Chris Horner commentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Kk9UfrU5w) (eta) on the final stage

So, apart from G 'helping a brother out', there's no actual evidence that other key sprinters gifted anything /  let Mark Cavendish win...   :)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 30 May, 2023, 08:04:11 am
Chris Horner commentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Kk9UfrU5w)

So, apart from G 'helping a brother out', there's no actual evidence that other key sprinters gifted anything /  let Mark Cavendish win...   :-)
I mentioned the video a few days ago. Go to 14:07 for his view on Cavendish (during the Giro).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 30 May, 2023, 08:12:44 am
Chris Horner commentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Kk9UfrU5w)

So, apart from G 'helping a brother out', there's no actual evidence that other key sprinters gifted anything /  let Mark Cavendish win...   :-)
I mentioned the video a few days ago. Go to 14:07 for his view on Cavendish (during the Giro).

This CH commentary was posted 1 day ago wrt the final stage...   :) 
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: rafletcher on 30 May, 2023, 08:13:38 am
Chris Horner commentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Kk9UfrU5w)

So, apart from G 'helping a brother out', there's no actual evidence that other key sprinters gifted anything /  let Mark Cavendish win...   :-)
I mentioned the video a few days ago. Go to 14:07 for his view on Cavendish (during the Giro).

It not the one you linked to previously - it's the one from the last stage.

ETA XP with AO
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: De Sisti on 30 May, 2023, 11:47:32 am
Chris Horner commentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Kk9UfrU5w)

So, apart from G 'helping a brother out', there's no actual evidence that other key sprinters gifted anything /  let Mark Cavendish win...   :-)
I mentioned the video a few days ago. Go to 14:07 for his view on Cavendish (during the Giro).

This CH commentary was posted 1 day ago wrt the final stage...   :-)
Was referring to a previous Chris Horner vid where he was candid about Cav. :-)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2023
Post by: andyoxon on 30 May, 2023, 11:59:56 am
Anyway, great victory by Cav the GOAT sprinter in the final GIRO stage - roll on the TdF...