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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4050 on: 23 December, 2015, 05:16:36 pm »
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ElyDave

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4051 on: 23 December, 2015, 06:18:41 pm »
On the fewer/less, whilst I u derstand the countable/continuously measurable quantity thing, I've always wondered if I could say fewer gallons of petrol? The gallons are individually countable, but the petrol is not.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4052 on: 23 December, 2015, 08:07:31 pm »
Fewer gallons, less petrol. Or for Wowbagger and Pancho, fewer voles, less currants. Oh, hang on...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4053 on: 23 December, 2015, 10:19:15 pm »
There is barely a noun that cannot be verbed, but the conductor has just informed us that the train is platforming on the other side.
It hurts my sensibilities.

hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4054 on: 23 December, 2015, 10:53:25 pm »
Sympathies fboab.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4055 on: 24 December, 2015, 10:54:55 am »
Notice in local M&S today:

Christmas food collection is on ladies wear

Suspenders? Negligees?

T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4056 on: 24 December, 2015, 10:59:53 am »
There is barely a noun that cannot be verbed, but the conductor has just informed us that the train is platforming on the other side.
It hurts my sensibilities.

Sounds like a belly-flop.
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meddyg

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4057 on: 07 January, 2016, 07:20:06 pm »
"The rocket lofted a capsule that is to eventually carry paying passengers"

Pardon ? That'll learn me for looking at rocket science links on YACF
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4058 on: 07 January, 2016, 08:47:54 pm »
Loft is a perfectly cromulent verb when applied to the process of designing streamlined objects for e.g. yahtc yathc yacth boat hulls but using it as a synonym for "lift" is Suspect.  My grate frend Mr Woolrich used a program yclept "Loftsman" to do the shape of his recumbent streamliner Oscar The Egg.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4059 on: 09 January, 2016, 09:42:28 am »
"The rocket lofted a capsule that is to eventually carry paying passengers"
That doesn't strike me as the least bit odd. I'm (reasonably) sure the use of loft to mean hitting, throwing or launching something skywards goes back a very long way.  It's commonly used in cricket and football reports.

From , http://www.bluecorrespondent.co.uk/1953-54/august1953.html, "Fielding did the right thing when he lofted the ball over to Eglington..." There may be earlier examples of the usage.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4060 on: 09 January, 2016, 03:46:48 pm »
"The rocket lofted a capsule that is to eventually carry paying passengers"
That doesn't strike me as the least bit odd. I'm (reasonably) sure the use of loft to mean hitting, throwing or launching something skywards goes back a very long way.  It's commonly used in cricket and football reports.

From , http://www.bluecorrespondent.co.uk/1953-54/august1953.html, "Fielding did the right thing when he lofted the ball over to Eglington..." There may be earlier examples of the usage.

Indeed, I reckon it's legitimate - if a bit archaic in a rocket science context - when referring to the chucking of something into the air.  Since the capsule separated from the rocket at apogee, I'll accept it this instance.

If the capsule had remained attached to the rocket for the landing, the word would be 'lift'.

T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4061 on: 09 January, 2016, 04:16:51 pm »
In a trailer for a film called "London has fallen" (looks like rubbish) the wondrous line "London has been decimated".  Er... devastated?

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hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4062 on: 09 January, 2016, 04:49:45 pm »
Most people do not appreciate that if something is decimated 90% will remain, do they?

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4063 on: 09 January, 2016, 05:43:59 pm »
Most people do not appreciate that if something is decimated 90% will remain, do they?

Probably only about 10% of them.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4064 on: 09 January, 2016, 07:01:50 pm »
I'm sure that the Roman legionnaries appreciated it.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4065 on: 09 January, 2016, 07:05:22 pm »
Learned today that the puszta in Hungarian Puszta means the same as the Polish world pusta (empty). Possibly a borrowing, possibly chance, don't know.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4066 on: 13 January, 2016, 06:43:48 pm »
No, TV's Riz Lateef, London does not "have the higher rate of TB than any capital in Europe".
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4067 on: 13 January, 2016, 08:02:16 pm »
In a trailer for a film called "London has fallen" (looks like rubbish) the wondrous line "London has been decimated".  Er... devastated?

The OED says:

Quote from: OED
decimate, v. 1. c. to reduce drastically or severely; to destroy, ruin, devastate. ... now the most usual sense in standard English.

with citations from 1660 onwards.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4068 on: 13 January, 2016, 08:11:22 pm »
In a trailer for a film called "London has fallen" (looks like rubbish) the wondrous line "London has been decimated".  Er... devastated?

The OED says:

Quote from: OED
decimate, v. 1. c. to reduce drastically or severely; to destroy, ruin, devastate. ... now the most usual sense in standard English.

with citations from 1660 onwards.
I believe Helly started criticising this usage in around 1665.

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hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4069 on: 13 January, 2016, 08:13:39 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4070 on: 13 January, 2016, 08:25:09 pm »
I've just listened to John Meagher  (I assume he's an American music journalist)  in 'The Selling of Sinatra' on Radio 4,he said,

"The new sound augured a new era  ... the Vietnam war was seeping into the American culture,  a cynicism, a sense of betrayal and loss of goodness and you know, what Sinatra did was to try to transition by co-opting a lot of the younger talent"

He means 'transit'

Does he? The OED says:

Quote from: OED
transition, v. intr. To make or undergo a transition (from one state, system, etc. to or into another); to change over or switch.

which makes sense in context: that is, Sinatra changed or switched his style to better suit the zeitgeist. Whereas:

Quote from: OED
transit, v. 1. intr. To pass through or over; to pass away.
2. trans. To pass across or through (something); to traverse, cross. Also fig.
3. Astrol. To pass across (a sign, ‘house’, or special point, of the zodiac). Also absol. or intr.
4. Astron. To pass across (the disk of a celestial body, the meridian of a place, or the field of view of a telescope). Also absol. or intr.

None of these make sense to me in the passage you quoted.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4071 on: 13 January, 2016, 09:21:00 pm »
It's good to have you and your OED back here Gareth.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4072 on: 14 January, 2016, 01:51:40 pm »
I was going to remark on decimate being Medieval Latin rather than Classical but Gareth does it so much more stylishly than I could.

I believe the original meaning is the same as tithe, which did indeed once have a 1/10 sense, but anyone who thinks we should only be allowed to use words with their original meaning is clearly gay.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4073 on: 14 January, 2016, 03:10:08 pm »
Hi Gareth.  Haven't seen you in a while :)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4074 on: 14 January, 2016, 03:54:37 pm »
I was going to remark on decimate being Medieval Latin rather than Classical but Gareth does it so much more stylishly than I could.

I believe the original meaning is the same as tithe, which did indeed once have a 1/10 sense, but anyone who thinks we should only be allowed to use words with their original meaning is clearly gay.

your all gay...
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