Author Topic: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)  (Read 450551 times)

Jaded

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #975 on: 05 February, 2015, 10:33:29 am »
The finishing post is 365 days
It is simpler than it looks.

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #976 on: 05 February, 2015, 10:40:45 am »
The finishing post is 365 days
For UCMA purposes.  But there's also the "in a calendar year" Godwin record - Tarzan could beat that (and Steve) in 2015, even with 10 days of no riding at the beginning.

IanDG

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #977 on: 05 February, 2015, 10:45:26 am »
But (I thought) no-one would validate the calendar year record so Steve approached UMCA who introduced the 365 day record which will be validated?

mcshroom

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #978 on: 05 February, 2015, 10:45:49 am »
For the record they have both signed up for there are reasons that the rider could be disqualified for right up to the end, so the validation bit is important (and the reason they have both paid the UMCA and signed onto the rules with trackers etc.)

It would be rather silly for a person to be disqualified for their Crew Chief having a drink at Christmas/Thanksgiving, or for the lack of a helmet or whatever, but the rules are the rules. Just in the same way as the arguments on here about temperatures, climbing, starting 10 days later or riding recumbents are moot as the rules have been agreed and accepted.
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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #979 on: 05 February, 2015, 10:53:13 am »
I guess it comes down to personal opinion as to whether you consider the UMCA 365 version being the equivalent to the Tommy Godwin record of 75,065 miles.  My own view is that to beat Tommy you need to cover 75,065 miles in a calendar year.  Steve will set the UMCA record for furthest cycled in 365 consecutive days (presuming he completes it).  For the (unofficial) Tommy record, either of them could get to 75k miles in the calendar year of 2015 first.

clarion

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #980 on: 05 February, 2015, 11:21:56 am »
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.
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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #981 on: 05 February, 2015, 11:28:56 am »
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.

As and when the weather improves in the US further north, Kurts style of supported riding opens up the opportunity for one hell of a road trip around the states during the year. How about a trip up to Alaska and back? Thats about 5000 each way from Florida! I don't believe he is constricted to just riding in the US either. HE could go coast to coast across Canada - again, about 5000 miles. He will certainly re-travel far fewer roads that Steve so is unlikely to have his own "Marsh Gibbon"!

simonp

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #982 on: 05 February, 2015, 11:42:14 am »
If the Tommy Godwin record is beaten by a margin of several thousand miles it won't make any difference whether it was started 10 days late.

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #983 on: 05 February, 2015, 12:14:16 pm »
AFAICS, if possible Steve needs to have a clear lead/buffer of approx. 7000km by 1 Jan 2016 – based on RAAM (2014) level of solo output being around 635km/day.

Go Steve!
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #984 on: 05 February, 2015, 12:43:21 pm »
Would the record be validated if a rider exceeds Godwin's mileage before the 365 days are up but then fails to complete the 365 days, say through injury?

My initial thought was that most people would recognise it but the UMCA would probably not. Then I thought, well, Tommy had a day off the bike - August? - so if you chose to take a 'rest day' or whatever, that would be ok. But in fact, it must depend on whatever is written into the rules both Steve and Kurt have agreed with the UMCA - and whatever Tommy did is irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure even his mileage is relevant for the UMCA purposes, is it? Though they'd look a bit silly awarding the record to someone who rode less than 75,065 miles.

So does anyone know if the rules do allow a new record to be recognised in such circumstances?
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citoyen

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #985 on: 05 February, 2015, 12:47:44 pm »
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.

Which is just as well for Kurt, given that Steve is riding slower than him - over the course of the year, that could add up to an extra week in the saddle for Steve.
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Wowbagger

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #986 on: 05 February, 2015, 02:14:39 pm »
Tommy's day off was 28th October, three days after he passed the previous record.

Here's one prediction of which I am entirely confident: in the unlikely event that they both beat Tommy, there still won't be agreement about who it was who broke his record.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #987 on: 05 February, 2015, 02:32:24 pm »
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.
That would make sense.
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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #988 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:28:08 pm »
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #989 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:33:54 pm »
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?

The video on FaceBook from yesterday suggested he was going to use the bike which fell off the rack. Let's hope it didn't sustain some nasty unseen damage.

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #990 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:42:13 pm »
Well suddenly up to 48 miles so possibly 'none of the above'.

redfalo

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #991 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:43:49 pm »
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?
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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #992 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:52:35 pm »
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

redfalo

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #993 on: 05 February, 2015, 03:57:15 pm »
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.


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mcshroom

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #994 on: 05 February, 2015, 04:08:09 pm »
if he gets a vehicle transfer during the day then he has to upload a file before and a file after. Otherwise Strava gets confused.
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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #995 on: 05 February, 2015, 04:10:02 pm »
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.

When Kurt has a vehicle transfer to take advantage of the wind or bypass a particular conurbation he has to upload two rides to Strava, before the transfer and after the transfer. Of course both rides count towards Kurt's milage and Redfalo needs to divide Kurt's mileage by the number of days not the number of rides.

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mcshroom

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #996 on: 05 February, 2015, 04:15:43 pm »
Yeah but you got post #1000 :)
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IanDG

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #997 on: 05 February, 2015, 04:17:14 pm »
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?

Kurt's also got 2 short rides in early Jan before he started the challenge on Jan 10th

red marley

Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #998 on: 05 February, 2015, 04:49:58 pm »
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
   2 Jan      187.0          
   3 Jan      187.1          
   4 Jan      174.8          
   5 Jan      182.2          
   6 Jan      178.7          
   7 Jan      160.7          
   8 Jan      181.3          
   9 Jan      180.9          
   10 Jan      174.8      230.7   
   11 Jan      185.9      188.8   
   12 Jan      182.4      183.5   
   13 Jan      181.6      190.0   
   14 Jan      157.6      191.4   
   15 Jan      190.1      192.3   
   16 Jan      190.0      212.3   
   17 Jan      227.5      200.1   
   18 Jan      231.0      210.8   
   19 Jan      151.0      211.0   
   20 Jan      183.1      179.0   
   21 Jan      182.9      197.6   
   22 Jan      192.4      207.9   
   23 Jan      191.0      189.4   
   24 Jan      191.9      203.1   
   25 Jan      182.9      190.5   
   26 Jan      193.1      181.9   
   27 Jan      190.6      220.0   
   28 Jan      177.9      250.1   
   29 Jan      190.6      158.8   
   30 Jan      190.5      216.0   
   31 Jan      149.5      222.1   
   1 Feb      188.1      205.9   
   2 Feb      186.7      194.1   
   3 Feb      182.2      206.5   
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   

IanDG

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Re: Tarzan.
« Reply #999 on: 05 February, 2015, 05:03:14 pm »
Strava also shows 88.4km on 03/01 and 48.3km on 06/01 which still show in his January mileage on Strava even tho' his challenge didn't start until 10/01.

Results and daily averages also here