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Rain gear for touring
« on: 10 January, 2018, 06:55:18 pm »
I am planning LeJog for June and would appreciate any advice on specific rain gear for cold/wet/blowing/miserable cycling. I never ride in rain if I can help it and never ever start a ride if it is raining and anyway if it does rain it is usually warm rain, so any help please?

Thanks.

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #1 on: 10 January, 2018, 07:40:45 pm »
UK in June means "warm and wet" is the winning approach.  Skin is waterproof[1].  Layers may be added to keep the wind off and regulate temperature accordingly, and to keep you warm/dry when you stop, but trying to stay dry if it's raining for hours on the bike is futile (you always end up soaked - it's just a choice between rainwater and sweat).

I'd be wearing a jersey and 3/4s, with sandals, maybe a baselayer if it's chilly, cap to keep sun and hair out of my eyes and rain off my glasses.  Mitts for grip, sweat-wiping and crash-protection.  I'd add windproof gilet and rainlegs if it starts to rain properly (for light drizzle I'd just get wet - it dries out soon enough).  Full-finger gloves, wooly socks and arm-warmers if it's cold.  Waterproof jacket in reserve for warmth while dealing with punctures and for apocalyptic downpours.  I'd leave the tights and winter-weight jersey at home, unless it was unseasonably cold or I really needed the midge barrier.

Your definitions of 'warm' and 'rain' may vary from UK-typical.


[1] But note that chamois cream isn't.

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #2 on: 10 January, 2018, 08:18:47 pm »
Mitts for grip, sweat-wiping and crash-protection.

Basically, everything that Kim said.  I would add however, do try to remember which mitt you are using for sweat wiping, and which mitt you are using for snot wiping.   ;)
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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #3 on: 10 January, 2018, 08:22:17 pm »
It comes down to finding the waterproof jacket that lets 100% of your sweat out, prevents 100% of the rain getting in and regulates your body temperature perfectly.

Let me know when you find such a jacket.

In the meantime, after many attempts to locate it, I ended up with a Gore Oxygen jacket which does the above as well as anything I bought before it.

Gore "Shakedry" fabric seems to be the closest to the ideal now but it doesn't take the day-to-day abuse that jackets with a protective outer layer do.

Lycra shorts are perfectly fine in June as long as you carry some leg warmers for emergencies.

My own preference is for small, packable layers and options:

- Windproof/Water-resistant Gilet
- Arm warmers
- leg warmers
- Sealskinz socks
- Overshoes
- Buff

All of that could nearly roll up into your jersey pockets and yet it gives you lots of options to stay warm.

Rapha and TORM "Sportswool" jerseys are superb for touring.  The Merino content stops the whiff and it's good for a wide range of temperatures.  The Rapha Brevet Jersey is an absolute classic of form and function but TORM are 45% of the price and actually almost as good.

If you are interested here's my own diary from 2002.

I can't believe how technology (and me) have moved on but key points still apply.  I was SUCH a novice back then.

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #4 on: 10 January, 2018, 08:24:53 pm »
A year or so ago we were touring in Normandy the last day of which comprised consistent torrential rain, but it was warm. It absolutely hissed it down all day and we were all saturated. Warm and wet is however, fine. apart from staining your cycling shorts (In my case with bleed from a leather saddle). Cold and wet on the other hand is not fine and is to be avoided at all costs. You need something in your bag to keep out the wind/cold. Paramo jacket highly recommended but I guess a wind shield lightweght would do.
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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #5 on: 10 January, 2018, 08:31:50 pm »
A year or so ago we were touring in Normandy the last day of which comprised consistent torrential rain, but it was warm. It absolutely hissed it down and we were all saturated.

Ah yes.  That was fine until we stopped for a prolonged lunch in the hope that the rain might subside (spoiler: it didn't).  I shivered throughout, and then did two reps of the obligatory post-cafe climb to warm up again, after which I was a comfortable temperature for the rest of the day.

But compared to most people I tend to run warm and then freeze when I stop (recumbent bikes exacerbate this somewhat, as the seat keeps you warm and gives you a sweaty back).  There's an individual aspect to this sort of thing that only experience can predict.

Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #6 on: 10 January, 2018, 09:09:35 pm »
Thanks for all the above, all duly copied into my file. And Lee, I really enjoyed reading your 2002  account of the ride

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #7 on: 10 January, 2018, 09:11:33 pm »
A gilet looks naff as naff but is very effective at keeping you warm on cold, windy but dry days.
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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #8 on: 10 January, 2018, 09:22:15 pm »
EH! Brooks tweed cycle cape purchase opportunity!!

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #9 on: 10 January, 2018, 10:38:25 pm »
A gilet looks naff as naff but is very effective at keeping you warm on cold, windy but dry days.

I have to disagree.  Poorly fitting ones look a bit crap but then so does any item of poorly fitting cycle clothing.

They are a great bang for the buck if you get a very packable one (I have the Rapha one that came with my Brevet Jersey and it packs tiny and fits nicely).

With a pair of Nanoflex arm warmers you can ride in light rain, and remain sweat free, whilst keeping the full waterproof for full-on rain.
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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #10 on: 10 January, 2018, 11:23:55 pm »
Who cares what it looks like?  It's cycling clothing, which means it's all[1] utterly ridiculous as soon as you're more than 0.67 metres from a bicycle.  Anyone who forgets this has been a cyclist for too long.

Gilets are excellent as they're a halfway point between boil-in-the-bag and doesn't-matter-how-many-layers-they're-all-soaked.


[1] Special exemption for Rainlegs, which are a whole other level of ridiculous.

Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #11 on: 10 January, 2018, 11:38:14 pm »
In the event of wet weather, I'd use...
A decent rain jacket (Giro Neoshell)
A base layer (Brynje Super Thermo)
A Torm smartwool jersey if it's colder
shorts to suit (I use touring baggies - Rohan or Aldi, with regular M&S undies)
Goretex waterproof shorts
SPD sandals, no socks.
A goretex cap (baseball style, the better to keep rain off my glasses)


The Neoshell jacket cost me £35 in a Bike Nashbar clearance sale, rather than the £300. I've come to the conclusion it's better than eVent, and is just about breathable enough to use as a windproof layer on a dry day, provided I don't work too hard.
Gore Shakedry is likely as good or better, and certainly better in terms of long term water beading, but it's downright delicate. If you fell off and hit the road it would be a write off, and something like a briar or bramble dangling from a tree over a cycle track would probably rip it too (DAMHIKT).

I like the "string vest" baselayer. It soaks up very little water, dries very quickly, and does well at temperature control.

Waterproof shorts is because you get just as wet from sweat in full length waterproofs as you would from the rain, you want something to fend off the rain running off the bottom end of your jacket, and I've come to the conclusion that rainlegs are only up to a short-ish commute.

Bare legs and feet is based on skin being both waterproof and fast drying. Trying to keep legs and feet dry in a touring context is also pretty much a lost cause.
The basic rule with SPD sandals is that if you don't need long fingered gloves, you don't need socks. In fact, my toes do a little better than my fingers do. I generally take a pair of wool cycling socks and a pair of goretex socks, just in case, but I've not needed them on tour yet. They save on carrying extra socks and evening footwear too.

If you've been riding all day in the rain, most of what you are wearing will be at least damp. If it's still raining the next morning, put your damp stuff back on. If you put on dry gear, it will be just as damp as yesterday's damp gear in a fairly short while, and you'll soon end up with nothing but damp cycling stuff to wear, which is somewhat galling on a dry day.

The northern end of Scotland will be distinctly cooler than England. Last time I went (mid June), there was a persistent north-easterly wind that kept the temperature down to 10 or 12°. Make sure you've some suitable clothing - legwarmers and a long-sleeve jersey at least, and windproofing.


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I like gilets. They are very good at keeping you fairly comfortable, but rainwear they aren't.
I remember the Elenith one year. I left Rhayader in short sleeves and a gilet, in the sort of light drizzle that's not worth caping up for. The drizzle increased very sneakily, so by the time it was precipitating enough to warrant waterproofs, I was already wet through, so I just carried on rather than stopping. Going over the top by the Forest Inn was proper rain, combined with sleet and hail. The rain stopped about by Kington, and by the Kingsland control (near Leominster) I was nearly back to dry.

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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #12 on: 11 January, 2018, 10:19:21 am »
Who cares what it looks like?  It's cycling clothing, which means it's all[1] utterly ridiculous as soon as you're more than 0.67 metres from a bicycle.  Anyone who forgets this has been a cyclist for too long.
On most people it looks ridiculous even while riding. But in a world where adults can walk down the street, get on a bus and even go to work wearing a fluffy animal onesie, this probably a) doesn't matter, b) is unavoidable.

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[1] Special exemption for Rainlegs, which are a whole other level of ridiculous.
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Re: Rain gear for touring
« Reply #13 on: 11 January, 2018, 10:51:21 am »
Rain legs do possess magical weather fu tho' but.
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