Good work! Half an hour without a break is bloody hard, did you get off and stretch during?
you've certainly got room for improvement... :D Some technique coaching should cut a minute off that pretty quickly and 7.30 should be within reach by christmas for someone that does as much pedalling as you do. Let me know when you're next coming past if you fancy it! (you doing the Tints? Fancy a mid-audax ergo session? ;))
How about the next day - I seem to remember Simon saying his ride goes up to Barkway...?
I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
Just got to get the technique right... :)
Hands Body Slide. (on the way forward)I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
Just got to get the technique right... :)
I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
Notice that the recovery takes longer than the power phase.
Good workout this evening, practicing timing my leg drive after the catch. I can feel when I get it right - like when you hit a cricket ball with the sweet spot of the bat - and the split time drops by 20s :thumbsup:.
So - half an hour - 6250m; including two one minute bursts with a sub-two minute 500m split.
Where will the madness stop? ::-)
Where will the madness stop? ::-)
Never - that's why it's a madness... That's why I was sculling at 7:30 yesterday morning from Ely to Ely (i.e. going nowhere) via Littleport on a river with no scenic attraction whatsoever. Apart from Cambridge women's crews... ;D
I'm sure Mike will back me up on this (the rowing, but possibly on CUWBC members too).
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Thanks. It all sounds like good sense - I'll give it a try next time I do 2000m, probably at the weekend.
Well, I tried it this morning - normally I'd be out on my bike on a Sunday morning, but the weather here is a bit iffy, so I decided to use the rower instead. 1000 meter warm-up, then onto the 2000 metre row. I was aiming for 8:16, so the plan was to do the first 500 in 2:02, the next 1000 in 4:12 and the last 500 in 2:02. It worked a treat, I stuck more or less to the plan and came out with a final time of 8:14.8, so thanks for the advice, Marco :thumbsup:
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
Go on, you know you want to ;D.
Note to self: gloves.
If I can get my mitts on some zinc oxide tape tomorrow i will have a go at 10,000m.
Still, I beat my original target - I did it in 41:45.0
So how much are these things?
Still, I beat my original target - I did it in 41:45.0
Well done :thumbsup:
Oh and some git has beaten my 5,000m time at the gym finally. By a country mile; 18:45 to my 19:32. There is no way I'm getting close to that any time soon.
Have you had any coaching yet chris?
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Thanks. It all sounds like good sense - I'll give it a try next time I do 2000m, probably at the weekend.
Well, I tried it this morning - normally I'd be out on my bike on a Sunday morning, but the weather here is a bit iffy, so I decided to use the rower instead. 1000 meter warm-up, then onto the 2000 metre row. I was aiming for 8:16, so the plan was to do the first 500 in 2:02, the next 1000 in 4:12 and the last 500 in 2:02. It worked a treat, I stuck more or less to the plan and came out with a final time of 8:14.8, so thanks for the advice, Marco :thumbsup:
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
So I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
Yeah, but you're taller than me. :PSo I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
If it's any help, that was first time on a rower for 2 months.
Yeah, but you're taller than me. :PSo I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
If it's any help, that was first time on a rower for 2 months.
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
At first I thought you were just stating facts. But I now find the limit is 72.5 kg, and:Yeah, but you're taller than me. :P
True, but I'm a lightweight.
I can't get below 73kg at the moment. Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning
At first I thought you were just stating facts. But I now find the limit is 72.5 kg, and:Yeah, but you're taller than me. :P
True, but I'm a lightweight.I can't get below 73kg at the moment. Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning
So there's only 1 conclusion:
Are you calling me fat?!?
Below are the definitions for lightweight and heavyweight for men and women. These weight categories only apply to rowing.
Lightweight Women: <= 135lbs (61.5kg)
Heavyweight Women: > 135 lbs (61.6kg)
Lightweight Men <= 165lbs (75kg)
Heavyweight Men > 165lbs (75kg)
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I decided to mix it up a bit tonight; a few 500m at 1:55 or so mixed in to the 10,000m.
Result: a PB time of 41:24.1
And I'm on 67,432m.
Dunnit: 101,517m, from Dec 1st to Dec 22nd.
So who's up for a yacf virtual team?
Concept2: Virtual Team Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/team/vtc.asp)
40:48.7 :) :-\ :-[ :-X :-X :sick:
;D
I wasn't sick but I did feel a bit funny during the last 1000m - I averaged 1:55 or so for the final 1250m.
That'll be the effect of tapering then (no exercise of note for nearly 2 weeks).
Now we're placed :).
I have a horrible feeling I'm going to be the Senior in this team ::-)
Edit: I've just looked at our team details on the concept2 website - age details are revealed, and I can confirm that you are some way younger than me. :)
hope that helps.
A fat arse also helps on the seat. :thumbsup:
I've got three 2500m warmups a week if you want 'em...
Don't worry Wascally Weasel I don't have plans for much more paddling so I'll prop up the team with my warm ups.
Probably should work up to that. Maybe try a 15,000 first.
Probably should work up to that. Maybe try a 15,000 first.
That is the benefit of joining these challenges. To get challenged! "Maybe try a 15,000 first"! Gulp! I'll see what I can do this afternoon. I'll be happy with 7,500.
Thanks for reminding us to log by Friday. Do we have a team target? Like stay below 200th or beat Cambridge University Alumni?
We're up to 172nd. Good work team. :thumbsup:Well done Bridget! Very impressive.
on account of my knee having flared up a bit.Take it easy B - I guess rowing is harder on the knee than cycling.
Did a 15000 for the first time - oh me bum muscles!
I'm nursing my knee. Good work andrew and swarm_catcher in particular - we're still ahead of Cambridge Uni Alumni when I checked earlier today.Well thank you! Good work team. I'll probably fit in two/three more sessions of 7500 and if I'm not cycling the last weekend, I'll do another 15000.
Crikey, upped the resistance a notch today and I'm feeling it. :P
Crikey, upped the resistance a notch today and I'm feeling it. :P
In earlier threads, it was suggested to me that "about halfway" was all you need on the resistance. However - when I've mentioned my rowing to some others - they've said "Ah but, you only have the resistance half way don't you?" like I'm some kind of cheat >:(.
Halfway seems fine to me.
The resistance on the rower is just like the gears on a bike. Choose a lower resistance and it requires less effort, but you don't go as far with each stroke.
Woo Hoo! My longest ever row. Didn't break any records, but it felt good!Well done Chris!
100K a month seems a very long way...
And I'm done with rowing for January. Reached 100K. Very happy.
Team: I've got to submit the team challenge results. If there are any results still to be added (must have been rowed before the end of the month) can you put them in within the next 24h then I'll submit on Wednesday.All logged on my part, thanks Bridget.
Ta, and well done. :thumbsup:
If your arms are getting very tired, technique probably is worth looking at. I found it so much easier once I'd had some tips.
2154m, 24s/m, 120.9W average, 118 kcal used, 2:29.7 per 500m, HRav: 170bpm
as I've trained myself to have a slower rhythm.Do I need to train myself to go slower? I'm usually at 30spm. If I go slower I lose interest.
as I've trained myself to have a slower rhythm.Do I need to train myself to go slower? I'm usually at 30spm. If I go slower I loose interest.
Mind you, I've stopped doing the January challenge type sessions and am doing intervals now, still at 30-31spm.
I've started using one at the gym. How do you keep it under 30spm? apart from just slowing downHi Rich,
I'm finding a natural rhythm at about 36spm with the setting on 7, but to keep it in the 20s would feel like I'm hardly doing anything.
Admittedly I'm only doing 10 minutes as a warm up and not trying to do distance stuff, yet ;D
Choose from two levels of participation:
* The Basic Challenge: Row or ski 5000 meters each day for 25 days or more in March.
* The Advanced Challenge: Row or ski 10,000 meters each day for 25 days or more in March.
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
<Woohoo!>
I put my boat on the water for the first time this year. I did 6 miles, mostly very slowly. But I was still faster than the Men's Novice 8.
[Litany of excuses follows]
Bad weather (snow, ice), river too high/too fast, insufficient supplies of get-up-and-row, new rules forbidding single-sculling at night. (I'm still very cross about the last of these - I go out cycling instead, and which activity has a larger risk of serious injury?)
...new rules forbidding single-sculling at night. (I'm still very cross about the last of these - I go out cycling instead, and which activity has a larger risk of serious injury?)
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
No chance. I did another 10K on Wednesday. Swimming club thursday, rest day Friday, 200k yesterday, lazy day today. I can't get more than about two 10K rows in a week with everything else.
10,000m today. Took it nice and slow - 43:41.0 in the end.
10,000m today. Took it nice and slow - 43:41.0 in the end.
I did 43:45.8 on Saturday, and I thought that was quite quick! Not quite a PB, but not all that far off it. :(
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
We are now. Thanks for the pointer. Everyone who wants to take part will need to sign up for the challenge as well.
Ah right sorry about that. Average power of 155W. Which is right at the bottom end of the aerobic endurance training zone for me.
I used to find not much faster really challenging. I'm really noticing the difference from the amount of cycling I'm doing now.
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Is this a Concept 2 thing? Can't find any reference to it - can someone point me in the right direction, please? Ta.
Blisters, Bridget - get wrists set so that line down forearm and hand is straight at the catch, & keep handle in light grip with fingers & thumb so that the palm does not really contact the grip. Hey presto, no blisters.
The work gym refurbishment should have been done (Wed/Thu this week) so I may go down and see what it's like.
Hopefully the new Concept II model D will have a PM3 or PM4 instead of the old one with a PM2.
I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
Same here, and I'm doing the rowing sessions for the sake of clocking meters, at the cost of resistance training and core work. I'm going to put that right from today. Mind you I'm doing the Dean tomorrow, so maybe a light swim would be good. See you there B?I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
+1
Same here, and I'm doing the rowing sessions for the sake of clocking meters, at the cost of resistance training and core work. I'm going to put that right from today. Mind you I'm doing the Dean tomorrow, so maybe a light swim would be good. See you there B?I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
+1
Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
It's one of these (http://www.carldouglas.co.uk/index-m.html). Yes, it does look nice. Pity about the sack of s**t that pretends to be the engine. I only did 4 miles today, in quite a strong wind against the stream (causing waves).Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
It's one of these (http://www.carldouglas.co.uk/index-m.html). Yes, it does look nice. Pity about the sack of s**t that pretends to be the engine. I only did 4 miles today, in quite a strong wind against the stream (causing waves).Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
39:52.6 :o
Anyone doing Dog Day of Summer in August?
Clicky (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/dogdays.asp)
Quite right Simon, good luck in Italy!Anyone doing Dog Day of Summer in August?
Clicky (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/dogdays.asp)
I won't be - I'm riding the Mille Miglia Italia and that would be crazy to do around that.
I was very disappointed to see Simon ignoring the rowing machine which was available at the sleep stop of the Mille Cymry ;D
A 7:50 2km tonight, probably my best ever Such As It Is.
How anybody does 10km on an erg, god only knows. All I can say is they must be made of sterner stuff then me to stay focused for that long.
Dear oh dear...
I ranked myself for 10,000m today on the Concept 2 logbook.
302 out of 345 in my rank (50-59 yrs). >:(
I have some work to do. HTF do you do 10k in 35 mins? :o
Dear oh dear...
I ranked myself for 10,000m today on the Concept 2 logbook.
302 out of 345 in my rank (50-59 yrs). >:(
I have some work to do. HTF do you do 10k in 35 mins? :o
5k in 20:15 this evening, another world record. A couple of minutes better than last time out and a much more controlled effort compared with my previous 'fall off the machine & crawl into an iron lung' finish. Could have got under 20 minutes as I was actutally pacing myself for 10k but I rather lost the will to live at the half way point. The question is not so much 'how does anybody row 10k in 35 minutes but rather 'how does anybody row for 35 minutes because it is so incredibly boring'.
iPod. Use a machine facing the treadmills. etc.
iPod. Use a machine facing the treadmills. etc.
Depends who is on the treadmills.
Nobody likes a fat bloke in lycra on a rowing machine, sporting a semi. :sick:
19:50 for 5k tonight. Controlled but still working too hard to relax into longer efforts.
Ahem. 40:50.
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
5K tonight mostly around 2:07. Finished circa 21:00.
5K tonight mostly around 2:07. Finished circa 21:00.
Top work Mr O'Tea. And Simon.
Now - are we making a team for the November challenge thingy?
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
OK, I've read a good chunk of this thread, wondering if I should give it a go so sell it to me!
I only ever do 1km, just making sure I do it in under 5 mins because I only go on the rower for a break between other things. Typically I do 20 mins bike, circuit of the weights machines, 5 mins rowing, 10 mins cross trainer or maybe treadmill, another weights circuit, 20 mins bike max effort.
I've no specific objective just general fitness, improving cycling endurance and introducing a bit of balance to counteract concentrating on cycling. Would I benefit from more time / effort rowing? Should I start by doing 1km faster or increase the distance first? BTW, to do the 1km in 4:30 requires a hard effort and I wouldn't be able to continue for much longer at that pace. I don't mind dropping the cross trainer in favour of more rowing but I still want to do the other stuff so I don't want the rowing to reduce me to jelly and I can't see me ever doing anything like 5km but if someone wants to try to sell it to me, go ahead.
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
There's a sequence here: Cross Training: Rowing (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg535589#msg535589)
I started my "Holiday Challenge" metres off last night with 7000 metres in 30:54.1. That's 500m pace of 2:12.4, which I didn't think was too bad for a row in freezing conditions - the rowing machine is in my detached unheated garage. I had the damper on 3, which is about normal for me, and I was rowing at about 24 spm.
Having grabbed a lift home from the AUK AGM, I opened my account this afternoon with 8km.
Are you sure that 299m counts, simonp? Surely it's just an overdistance 7km!
OK my initial benchmark for 2km is 9:53. I used drag level 4....
OK my initial benchmark for 2km is 9:53. I used drag level 4....
9:42 tonight, still on drag level 4, tried to lengthen the strokes but, except a bit of a spurt for the final 200m, I maintained a steady 33-36 s/m throughout so clearly I'm still doing something wrong. Might try putting the drag up just a bit, I'm trying to do most of the work with my legs but it doesn't feel like they're doing enough, as though there's not enough resistance :-\
Thanks Panoramix I'll pay more attention to that. I'd previously been trying to follow this rowing technique video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA) but while the straight back is mentioned it's not so obvious as in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IsN_nOQYc) which is helpful.
I'm struggling to see how this will make me quicker though. As well as preventing injury, I can see that better technique might enable me to maintain a given stroke rate for a given time at a higher resistance (thus improving speed) but I just can't figure out how it'll make me quicker while reducing the stroke rate at a low resistance given that if anything it will shorten the length of the stroke. This is what leads me to believe I need to use a higher resistance but get the technique right so I don't hurt my lower back.
Thanks Panoramix I'll pay more attention to that. I'd previously been trying to follow this rowing technique video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA) but while the straight back is mentioned it's not so obvious as in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IsN_nOQYc) which is helpful.
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
If you'd done that nude you could have out-Hulvered Hulver! :thumbsup:
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks pretty good to me. May be you can use a bit more your body to achieve a longer stroke.
Have you rowed on water? Your hand heights say you have...
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
I woke up feeling knackered.
I need to learn to pace myself. :)
I did 12,000m tonight. I increased the warm up to 2,000m. So I'm on 76,299m. I forgot my swimming trunks so no 1000m swim tonight. This will give me more energy tomorrow. :)
I did 12,000m tonight. I increased the warm up to 2,000m. So I'm on 76,299m. I forgot my swimming trunks so no 1000m swim tonight. This will give me more energy tomorrow. :)
Swimming club AGM or more rowing this evening?
Thanks for the video Chris S, that was much more useful than anything else I've seen on youtube. Having given blood a few days ago I thought I'd try to slow it down tonight and do my best to emulate you :-* I had to whack the drag up though - there's simply not enough resistance to push against to get the stroke rate down otherwise. I didn't have time to find the true drag factor on the menu because the batteries are dead and the screen died if I stopped rowing for too long.
Anyway, I did the 2km in the same sort of time with much lower stroke rate, I think the little lean-back at the end of the stroke (which I wasn't doing before) helped, it felt a lot better too.
Thanks for the video Chris S, that was much more useful than anything else I've seen on youtube. Having given blood a few days ago I thought I'd try to slow it down tonight and do my best to emulate you :-* I had to whack the drag up though - there's simply not enough resistance to push against to get the stroke rate down otherwise. I didn't have time to find the true drag factor on the menu because the batteries are dead and the screen died if I stopped rowing for too long.
Anyway, I did the 2km in the same sort of time with much lower stroke rate, I think the little lean-back at the end of the stroke (which I wasn't doing before) helped, it felt a lot better too.
You shouldn't need to put the drag factor up to get more resistance. The harder you pull, the more resistance you will get. Rather than going for a 2k time, do some steady state work concentrating on technique at 20 strokes per minutes. Take a look at how many metres you are making per stroke. I generally do 12-13 metres per stroke when I limit the rating to 20 spm. I'm 1.7 m tall, so somewhat challenged on the length of potential stroke.
Good work. I am trying to decide if I'm up to trying for 200k now.Or you could save that challenge for January?
Good work. I am trying to decide if I'm up to trying for 200k now.Or you could save that challenge for January?
The reason why I've been feeling wiped out lately has made itself apparent. 2nd day off with lurgy. I suspect I've been incubating it since (not) riding to York for the AGM.
Now on 77,000m. Still on target, in spite of the sub-zero temperature in my garage tonight.
You shouldn't need to put the drag factor up to get more resistance. The harder you pull, the more resistance you will get.
Lower stroke rates allow the flywheel to slow down more between strokes, but allows you time to recover. You can do high pressure rowing at low rates (16-18 spm) for relatively long sessions (40+ mins) to build power per stroke without hurting your back or getting too knackered - if you can get your head round doing the same thing for that long...
That's the thing, and what I found so hard at first. To row for longer periods - as you would on the water - you have to be able to relax into the exercise, to make it more of a jog than a sprint. Once the technique is in place you can work on power.
I have not rowed at all well this month.
I have not rowed at all well this month.
Blood donation slowed you down?
Lethargy.
I've got lurgy.
I've got lurgy.
Another one? :o
GWS
I've got lurgy.
Another one? :o
GWS
Not to worry, it's just a head cold. 2 or 3 colds in one year is about normal for me.
Free at last, free at last.....
Free at last, free at last.....
The virtual team challenge is next month. :demon:
Free at last, free at last.....Me too!!!
Free at last, free at last.....Me too!!!
The virtual team challenge is next month: I prefer this challenge. And we're getting Concept IIs at work from 10th Jan. Can you remember what our total was last time Simon?
# Important: Complete the following tasks by January 15 or your team will not be enrolled in the challenge and/or your team members' meters will not count for the challenge:
* Your team must be enrolled in this year's VTC. (See the Team Administration page for details.)
* All team members must be added to your team.
* Team members who have their own logbooks must indicate in their logbooks that they are actively participating in the current challenge. (See the Team Member page for more information.)
# Meters completed each week should be entered no later than midnight on Friday of that week. This works on the honor system. It makes it fair and fun for everyone if you can watch the progress of the teams that you are competing against.
Right, I've signed up for the January Team Challenge.
I really need to do this, after all the nuts, chocolates, crisps and other excess food I've eaten over the Christmas period. At the moment I'm about 4 kg heavier than I'd like to be a this time of year, so a regular dose of 10,000m efforts on the rowing machine might help to get my weight going in the right direction.
I also need to eat less, but I always find that much harder to put into effect!
Yebbut there's three times as many of us! ;)
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I think when it says only "Indoor rower" metres count, they mean Concept 2 ones.
I have no idea how you'd calibrate a WaterRower to give the same effort; obviously you can vary the water level but I don't know what water level would be similar, or if the WaterRower compensates for the measured amount of drag. The Concept 2 computers compensate for measured drag so two different people rowing on different machines will get a fair comparison of their effort.
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I think when it says only "Indoor rower" metres count, they mean Concept 2 ones.
I have no idea how you'd calibrate a WaterRower to give the same effort; obviously you can vary the water level but I don't know what water level would be similar, or if the WaterRower compensates for the measured amount of drag. The Concept 2 computers compensate for measured drag so two different people rowing on different machines will get a fair comparison of their effort.
The damper setting is like bicycle gearing. It affects the feel of the rowing but does not directly affect the resistance. With a little experimentation, you will find the damper setting that gives you the best workout and results. We recommend a damper setting of 3–5 for the best aerobic workout. This is the setting that feels most like a sleek, fast boat on the water. Higher settings feel more like a bigger, slower boat.
Damper setting:QuoteThe damper setting is like bicycle gearing. It affects the feel of the rowing but does not directly affect the resistance. With a little experimentation, you will find the damper setting that gives you the best workout and results. We recommend a damper setting of 3–5 for the best aerobic workout. This is the setting that feels most like a sleek, fast boat on the water. Higher settings feel more like a bigger, slower boat.
The resistance is controlled by how hard you work. The log book does not even ask for the damper setting.
I've just signed up and logged this morning's metres.Staying ahead of 'The Killer Bees' is my motivator.
Look who we're beating in the team standings:
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Do you get that thirsty normally?
I do 2K to warm up then my 10K at a faster pace.
I take a 750ml bottle, with Torq Energy (similar to the High 5 Super Carbs stuff) I drink about half the bottle before the 2K, another 1/4 between the 2K and the 10K and the rest after, when I'm doing resistance stuff, then I go for a swim.
I do 2K to warm up then my 10K at a faster pace.
I take a 750ml bottle, with Torq Energy (similar to the High 5 Super Carbs stuff) I drink about half the bottle before the 2K, another 1/4 between the 2K and the 10K and the rest after, when I'm doing resistance stuff, then I go for a swim.
Yebbut - you're nuts. ;D ;)
Right. I'm off to do the 10K I should have done yesterday. I went out on the bike in the end yesterday as, having seen the forecast for today, I realised I probably wouldn't want to go out today :hand:.
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Not cured, I'm just better at it.
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Not cured, I'm just better at it.
Ah. Someone else I can no longer keep up with ::-).
New PB for 10K :thumbsup:.
Another 10k tonight - at a fairly sedate pace. Now on 105,000 metres :).Excellent! I'm cranking it up too, hoping to end the month on 100K.
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.You're more than welcome to come round and use the Concept2!!
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.You're more than welcome to come round and use the Concept2!!
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
....and then drink beer!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Another 52 secs off my 5km time last night although it felt like I've reaped the rewards of technique improvement now and that any further significant improvements will only come from working harder.
I can now maintain a steady 2:15/500 at 20 strokes p/m, if I really focus I can do 2:15 @ 18sp/m or 2:10 @20sp/m for a bit but then it soon drifts back to where I was.
So - do I just keep on doing the same or try to maintain the same speed at a sustained lower stroke rate or try to keep the technique while raising the stroke rate a touch?
NB - the answer is not to row further!
The Killer Bees are beating us!
Them: 118 @ 548,163
Us: 125 @ 506,518
They have an extra person mind.
After a 200 yesterday, I don't feel like rowing for the rest of the week. But now I've seen this, I might just have a go to reach my 100K. Only have till Friday. Hmmm....
Having watched the training video linked above, I seem to have improved my "technique" (not that I had any before) and instead of rowing at 30+ spm without much leg or back work, I just managed 5k at 22 spm in 32m 50s. I found I was far more relaxed and didn't find it such hard work, although I was marginally slower than I had been. I'm going to concentrate on getting my technique sorted out before worrying about improving my times though.
I did a touch over 5k in a 30 minute row today (my third time using it). I now have a blister on my hand.
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
... I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) ...
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs. I'll be logging 14 for my 100 and I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) so it might yet go to the wire.
Not that I'm competitive but now we're here we might as well win.
At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs.Yes! We're ahead ... by 2.5K !! Excellent work everybody!
(* Blues riff.. because I was wearing blue on the river today *)
I woke up this morning,
Even before the six-o-clock news.
Well I woke up this morning,
And I'd used up my last excuse.
I've got those "I don't wannabe out on the river on a cold January morning" blues.
Good effort Chris though tomorrow needs to be a monster day. 2x7 will do it. I just need 7km to see out January.
18:57.1
I was planning to try just to shave a bit off the old PB (19:32.1 or thereabouts) which the 1:56 I mentioned would have achieved. But I overdid the first few pulls and found myself at around 1:53 then found it difficult to ease off. So I just stuck with it, eventually settling down to 1:53-1:54. I didn't have a hrm on, I think that would have just scared me. I wasn't sure I would be able to hold that pace but by half way I'd an average of 1:53.8 and I knew that even if I eased off to 2:00 for the second half it'd still be a PB. From 2000m to go I was hanging on a bit and slowed to 1:55 for a while but managed to up the pace from about 500m and got below 1:50 at the end. Average pace ended up at 1:53.7.
Stomach felt a bit funny at times, but ok as soon as I stopped and I recovered quickly. Went and did nearly an hour's abs & core routine, and then 500m slightly subdued swimming.
Still not as fast as Andy's PB afaik.
This challenge: does it happen every month? Is it only open to Concept owners?
This challenge: does it happen every month? Is it only open to Concept owners?
The Concept website have regular challenges, both individual and team-based that pop up all year round. The January one is a regular. All you need is to use the Concept online logbook to log your rowing sessions, and sign up to any teams that you might fancy (eg: YACF). To my knowledge, nobody checks whether you row on a Concept or not.
Just another 6k for me to get to 100k for January. I have perma-hunger today, so have just had a marmalade sandwich in preparation. Better get and row quick, before I'm hungry again...
Against all the odds, Mr Smith steals the third spot on the podium (no sneaking back to put in another 5km, simonp!).
Thought I'd have a go at a PB but blew up after 2km no faster than I was six months ago. Pathetic.
Does LT change based on the type of exercise? Yes, the lactate threshold is specific to the exercise task. So if a cyclist moves to rowing, (s)he will fatigue at a lower heart rate initially as rowing employs different muscles, generally less trained. Since these muscles are less trained, the cyclist's rowing LT will be considerably lower. Thus heart rate cannot be used as a guide in "cross training activities". athlete.
First time under 20 minutes for me at 5km at 19:38, huzzah!
A sub 40 minute 10k feels a long way off...
First time under 20 minutes for me at 5km at 19:38, huzzah!
A sub 40 minute 10k feels a long way off...
Until last weekend that would be better than anything I've done in the last year or so. Phew! :D
(Did you do the day or two of rest thing?)
This is the next challenge:
Concept2: Valentine Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/valentinechallenge.asp)
Useless.
This is the next challenge:
Concept2: Valentine Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/valentinechallenge.asp)
Useless.
14km in 6 days. Well, I suppose I ought to do it. Who do I send my card to, though?
Just a question :
What are your damper setting; I have rowed on 6-7, but it looks like I should lower it a bit according to C2 webside. ???
Well now I've tried rowing too. I have joined the logbook on C2 nad entered some 2000meters and a 5000 meter.
So now I have to target I have to improve :
2000 M : 08:30:5
5000 M : 22:05:9
So there are plenty of room for improvements :-\
Just a question :
What are your damper setting; I have rowed on 6-7, but it looks like I should lower it a bit according to C2 webside. ???
something went very wrong today.
I was suppose to row a relaxed 2000 m, but I ended up breaking my PB
and crossing the 8 min mark. new pm : 7,51,1 ???
Even with good choons I very much doubt I'd have the willpower for that. Well done!Willpower be damned. Audio books are your friend, in my case, 'The colour of Magic' by Terry Pratchett. I'm up to chapter 24 of 85...
I did a 42min 10k on Tuesday and went along to the gym last night feeling a bit rundown but feeling I ought to do something to work off the vast amount of scoff I'd eaten all day and did ... <snip something pretty incredible>
I think my bum isgetting biggerbecoming more muscular. That's a good thing, right?
I've "missed out" and the March Madness, and see that another team challenge is coming up on 15th March.
Simon, did you intend to enter the team?
I think my bum isgetting biggerbecoming more muscular. That's a good thing, right?
So, any tips on a good starter / beginners programme at all?
Have a look at the concept ii website. They have technique advice on there. I'd suggest starting with no more than 2km and at a fairly easy pace, and don't be tempted to set the level high. Keep the stroke rate down to about 25spm and concentrate on form.
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
:sick: I would die if I tried that. But I'm improving my fitness on today's 5000 m I finished
the last 2000m in 7.50minutes (217W), that is WAY faster than I thought I could manage and my PB for
that distance. :-[
But for 10000m I'm not able to get higher than 175W
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
:sick: I would die if I tried that. But I'm improving my fitness on today's 5000 m I finished
the last 2000m in 7.50minutes (217W), that is WAY faster than I thought I could manage and my PB for
that distance. :-[
But for 10000m I'm not able to get higher than 175W
I think I should be able to do a faster 2k time now. Motivation may be the issue. Getting down to 7:00 requires maintaining just over 300W.
It's funny how one gets a second wind for the last section. No need to conserve energy, just go for it and get the pain over asap!
It's funny how one gets a second wind for the last section. No need to conserve energy, just go for it and get the pain over asap!
I have just tried your advice (http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Schilder/89.gif) (http://prepaid.putblog.com/) I spend 7 hours doing absolutely nothing at work, I was on Backup if someone overslept or was sick.
so I started with a 5000m warm up on just under 22 minutes and then tried 2000m on full speed.
Result : I lowered my PB with 21 seconds to 7.30,0 or 245,8W average :D :D
:thumbsup: THANK YOU Manotea :thumbsup:
Well done, Gus. Do you log your times on the C2 website (logbook)?
I'm going have a proper go at hitting my targets for the ranking distances before the C2 season ends at the end of April. I'd be quite happy with a 7:30/2k; currently I'm sitting 7:38.
I'm thinking of dropping my gym membership and joining a local rowing club as a 'land' member (for the time being at least). It would probably be cheaper and provide a better training environment. For training purposes all I need is access to Ergs and basic free weights. I do quite fancy learning to scull though, maybe a project for the winter.
The choice offered by the two nearest clubs (just round the corner from the gym as it happens) is a race oriented club and another club with a more recreational basis. I'll have to go along and have a chat and see what's what.
I'm thinking of dropping my gym membership and joining a local rowing club as a 'land' member (for the time being at least). It would probably be cheaper and provide a better training environment. For training purposes all I need is access to Ergs and basic free weights. I do quite fancy learning to scull though, maybe a project for the winter.
The choice offered by the two nearest clubs (just round the corner from the gym as it happens) is a race oriented club and another club with a more recreational basis. I'll have to go along and have a chat and see what's what.
nooo.. do it online then we can all see your decline into early morning 8s outings instead of audax.. :DRest assured, that's not going to happen. The big attraction of rowing is using an erg in a nice warm brightly lit gym whilst listening to Terry Pratchitt Discworld novels on my ipod. I've just finish #4, Mort. There are about another 50 to go...
Istm that long distance riding and rowing don't really mix. Went thru a period where I could barely manage 5k which is a laugh as I did have my eye on a marathon. That will have to wait till the winter now. Im back up to a 44m/10km with last 2km sub 8min which isn't too bad. I want to keep this going for my C2 Rowdonneur 1mM badge. Sadly the season starts in May so the clock has reset. About 80km for May.
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
You could always row around on Cheddar reservoir :D
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
You could always row around on Cheddar reservoir :D
Or take up proper rowing with proper oars on proper boats (http://bristolgigclub.weebly.com/welcome.html), with none of this sliddy seats, carbon fibre non sense. ;)
Well. You have to be a member of the YACF Virtual Team at Concept.
Our team needs to be entered into the Virtual Team Challenge (This needs to be done by the 15th Jan - others have done it in the past; probably SimonP).
We need to log our rowing exploits using our Concept II online logbooks, and Do Wondrous Things on our Concept IIs in the month of January.
Well. You have to be a member of the YACF Virtual Team at Concept.
Our team needs to be entered into the Virtual Team Challenge (This needs to be done by the 15th Jan - others have done it in the past; probably SimonP).
We need to log our rowing exploits using our Concept II online logbooks, and Do Wondrous Things on our Concept IIs in the month of January.
Paging Mr Proven, Paging Mr Proven....
Jeepers. How on earth do you manage it?
I did my longest ever row today at 30 minutes 5716m.
It's so dull!
I'm taking the training very seriously and tbh, it's appalling how little fitness/strength I have for anything but mashing big gears on a bike.
O well. Onwards and upwards.
5000m is just under 25 minutes for me.Jeepers. How on earth do you manage it?
I did my longest ever row today at 30 minutes 5716m.
It's so dull!
I'm taking the training very seriously and tbh, it's appalling how little fitness/strength I have for anything but mashing big gears on a bike.
O well. Onwards and upwards.
On the dullness thing, I listen to music to make it less tedious. A 5000m distance is a bit more manageable and the reward is the time taken reduces as you improve.
You’re probably over-using your arms and rowing at too high a stroke rate, just like everyone else who has posted similar messages over the past couple of years. :P
I’ve not been on a rowing machine for ages, just too many other things going on. I’ve only had time for five days at work in the past month…
Is done.
May I ask a number of stupid questions please....
As a beginner to rowing machines, and not a fit one at that, what sort of targets should I be looking at and are there any websites (apart from this one), I should go to for tips? I am 50 and over 120kg. My cycling fitness is reasonable but I have no real upper body strength.
I have just been to my gym and did 150 stokes covering 1 200 metres in around 6 mins, not really pushing myself that hard (I did stop to shoo away one of my cats). How long should my stroke be? Is 8 metres per pull about right? And how do I use my legs more? (I seem to slide without a major effort). Finally, is 3mins to 3.30m about right for 1km as a stroke rate or should I aim for faster?
May I ask a number of stupid questions please....
As a beginner to rowing machines, and not a fit one at that, what sort of targets should I be looking at and are there any websites (apart from this one), I should go to for tips? I am 50 and over 120kg. My cycling fitness is reasonable but I have no real upper body strength.
I have just been to my gym and did 150 stokes covering 1 200 metres in around 6 mins, not really pushing myself that hard (I did stop to shoo away one of my cats). How long should my stroke be? Is 8 metres per pull about right? And how do I use my legs more? (I seem to slide without a major effort). Finally, is 3mins to 3.30m about right for 1km as a stroke rate or should I aim for faster?
I'll have a look later. I'm not going to be able to contribute any metres at all having neither the time nor a gym membership ATM.
I'll have a look later. I'm not going to be able to contribute any metres at all having neither the time nor a gym membership ATM.
Your gym-inna-garage awaits you ;)
hopefully will be getting my act together for the team Fall challenge starting Sept 15.
Get Fit 2012 a.k.a Stepping From The Wreckage!Shall I enter yacf for the fall challenge? I will not be doing loads of meters, but could do with an incentive to get back in the gym. Or have we entered already and I couldn't find it?
I missed the RowLympics Challenge but just in time for the PaRowLympics individual challenge, and hopefully will be getting my act together for the team Fall challenge starting Sept 15.
I'll do the necessary later.Excellent, and thanks also to Howard. I've entered the FTC.
I'll do the necessary later.Excellent, and thanks also to Howard. I've entered the FTC.
I've entered the FTC.
Audio books are your friend. I've seen off all the Discworld & Sharpe books. Next up, Hornblower! Cast me adrift, Mr Christian! (er, sorry wrong, wrong author...)I've entered the FTC.
Ditto.
I'm aiming for 3 x 5000/week. Any more is justtoo tediousoverdoing it.
I tried with audiobooks1 and failed. At the moment I'm trying to be more Mindful- works at going faster AND making the time pass.Audio books are your friend. I've seen off all the Discworld & Sharpe books. Next up, Hornblower! Cast me adrift, Mr Christian! (er, sorry wrong, wrong author...)I've entered the FTC.
Ditto.
I'm aiming for 3 x 5000/week. Any more is justtoo tediousoverdoing it.
The London Sightseer on Sunday has obviously tuckered me out; I could barely manage 2500 last night.Barely made it to 3k tonight. What's up with me?
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
Well, I am awaiting an induction on the equipment before I am actually allowed to use it :D
You've forgotten how to work through the pain?The London Sightseer on Sunday has obviously tuckered me out; I could barely manage 2500 last night.Barely made it to 3k tonight. What's up with me?
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
Well, I am awaiting an induction on the equipment before I am actually allowed to use it :D
Pfft...! This is all you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA
There’s a lot of good advice on this thread as well...
...though it might be hard to find.
So. Blisters.
I've got blisters at the base of my fingers.
Will they just harden up to callouses as I do it more often? Am I just a delicate flower who needs to MTFU?
I'm not gripping, the bar just rests in my hand.
So. Blisters.
I've got blisters at the base of my fingers.
Will they just harden up to callouses as I do it more often? Am I just a delicate flower who needs to MTFU?
I'm not gripping, the bar just rests in my hand.
Weirdly though, I have significantly more callouses on my right hand than my left, from ostensibly doing exactly the same thing with each hand when sculling (not using C2 grips).
I had my gym induction today and had a go on the rowing machine. I was pretty rubbish, but have yet to get any blisters.
What do I need to register with for the challenge thingie?
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks pretty good to me. May be you can use a bit more your body to achieve a longer stroke.
I had my gym induction today and had a go on the rowing machine. I was pretty rubbish, but have yet to get any blisters.
What do I need to register with for the challenge thingie?
http://log.concept2.com/log_start.asp?p=/log.asp
Click on register on the left. Once you’ve done that, and are logged in, click teams, and join the yacf team. You will then also need to click on challenges to register for the challenge, which is the Fall Team Challenge at the moment.
I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with my feet while I was rowing (they were tending to rock on the plate thingies).My legs are so short I need all the help I can get for stroke length. My feet rock. When I'm used to it I do 2:14/500m and I don't think that's bad for a short fat gurl, with no upper body strength.
Tonight I did a 'quick' 2500m so I achieved my goal of 15000/week.
I thought I sped up as I went, but tonight was weird, it was as if a switch was flicked after 9 minutes, and I suddenly went considersbly faster for no greater perceived effort. If I CBA I'll try a proper 10 minute warm up before I do my next 5k and see if I can sustain that faster pace.I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with my feet while I was rowing (they were tending to rock on the plate thingies).My legs are so short I need all the help I can get for stroke length. My feet rock. When I'm used to it I do 2:14/500m and I don't think that's bad for a short fat gurl, with no upper body strength.
If I CBA I'll try a proper 10 minute warm up before I do my next 5k and see if I can sustain that faster pace.I think we can safely say that worked.
This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
Or possibly not. My heart rate on the rowing machine means something completely different to that when I'm cycling.
When I do 2x20 intervals on the bike, I maintain 165bpm for each work segment, or thereabouts. It feels tough, but sustainable for that length of time - just. If I tried that kind of heart rate on the rower, I would die.
When I'm balls-out going for it on the rower, the "about to puke" point is about 140bpm.
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
You need to link your Concept II log to Facebook. :)
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
IMHO You probably need to perfect your technique, you should be able to reach stupidly high bpm on the rowing machine. Legs, stomach muscles, shoulders and arms should all be sore after! At least this is how it used to work for me.
If it's really dead (have you tried new batteries?), you can have my old PM2, for postage cost. I stumbled across it in my garage the other day, wrapped in an old jiffy bag. I replaced it with a secondhand PM3 a year or two ago.
I think I might have a bizarre rowing injury. This might fall into the TMI category, but I have a very painful sore area over my coxyx that I don't remember injuring. It is making sitting down painful. The only way I think it could have happened is while rowing. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I'm wondering if I should row in padded cycling shorts in future or take a cushion. It's not like I've tried any long distances yet either :-[
Well, I posted a search for rowing / cycling cross training and this link came up. I haven't read through all 48pages (yet) so not sure if what I am about to ask has come up yet...
I have got a Concept II rower I've had for a number of years (I used to do a lot of rowing at local Leisure Centre around 2000/2001) and bought one for home use but then got in to the Audax riding and have progressed with that since.
As I aim to do longer rides, up to 400km's at moment I am aware of issues with aching neck and back and believe that a stronger core / upper body will help there - something I know that the rower was very good at developing.
Can anyone recommend which way round to do a mixed session of turbo training / rowing - say for three nights a week with about 90minutes available for each session.
Interesting to see mention of the Comic Relief million metre row - that was what got me hooked in 2000 - though I found out about it late on and ended up doing the million metres in 12weeks - it was before we had kids and I had nothing else better to do with my time - I used to pay £2 entry to the Leisure Centre and get my monies worth - up to 3.5 hours rowing (up to 50km sessions). I went from the heavyweight >75kg down in to the lightweight <75kg category about 4 weeks in to the rowing.
One of the issues I've had with getting going on the rowing is how disappointing my times are now, to be expected after many years not rowing and a few years older - I used to do the marathon (42195mts in rowing speak) in <2hr 45mins but was never that good at the shorter distances (probably why the Audax riding appeals and not time trialling as well!)
Anyway, I'll say thank you to some of you because reading through has definitely pushed me to get going again, stop focussing on what I could achieve previously and see what I can achieve now! Hopefully, I'll be back with some times soon - though I wont be rushing straight in to multi-hour sesssions just yet!
Stumbled across this on the Concept2 'site today: Workout of the day (http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training/wod).
Interesting to see mention of the Comic Relief million metre row - that was what got me hooked in 2000 - though I found out about it late on and ended up doing the million metres in 12weeks - it was before we had kids and I had nothing else better to do with my time - I used to pay £2 entry to the Leisure Centre and get my monies worth - up to 3.5 hours rowing (up to 50km sessions). I went from the heavyweight >75kg down in to the lightweight <75kg category about 4 weeks in to the rowing.
Managed a 7min 20sec as a first effort back at 2000mts so some way to go to get back to where I was a few years ago - not that I seriously expect that to happen without some serious effort.
It's only taken me 24 years ::-) but I've finally rowed my 10 millionth metre. Last thursday's row left me needing 15249m, a distance just within reach for an hour. Although it seemed like a bit of a struggle from start to finish, knowing that I had that big target to knock off gave me the motivation to see it through and I smashed through with 15277m.
Just did 10,000m in 40.:18.9 . I could get rid of some of that 18secs by not having to remove my gloves halfway, and doing up my shorts so the lace doesn't get trapped in the seat bearing with 599m to go. Still, it'd take a consistent >1000kcal hour rate, and I'm not getting enough air in me with a "breath out on the drive, in on the recovery" pattern - felt like I was suffering for lack of air in the last 1500m.
That's my 8th go in maybe 10 years, so pleased with my progress, but loads to learn. Any instructional video recommendations welcome - ours is a hire machine, so no gym bunnies to copy.
It's only taken me 24 years ::-) but I've finally rowed my 10 millionth metre. Last thursday's row left me needing 15249m, a distance just within reach for an hour. Although it seemed like a bit of a struggle from start to finish, knowing that I had that big target to knock off gave me the motivation to see it through and I smashed through with 15277m.Awesome effort. Well done
Right, we're in.
#2
I've signed team YACF up for the Fall Team Challenge which starts on the 15th (Sunday).
Get signed up and get rowing!
I lead by example. ::-)
Is this an open team? I've got rower in the attic that has just been dusted down after a few years and have recently put in a few sessions.
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
Amazingly enough I manage despite the lard.
How much weight have you put on over Christmas?
:o
Some people erg with their whole hand (incl. the thumb) on top of the handle, to stop you squeezing it too tight, although I was never comfortable like that.. worth a go?I tried that today, as my hands were already a bit tender.
Still a heavyweight which isn’t so good for my ranking. My 10,000m was hard work today but still outside the top half for heavyweight 40-49 year old males.
Where do you find this benchmark data?
Online World Rankings (http://log.concept2.com/rankings.asp)
I thought I had got my blisters sorted this time, they formed into calluses without bursting.
Then I did a 2k warm up followed by a 30 minute effort last night and I have nice fat blisters again. Looks like at least one of them is going to need a few days before it'll drain.
I thought I had got my blisters sorted this time, they formed into calluses without bursting.
Then I did a 2k warm up followed by a 30 minute effort last night and I have nice fat blisters again. Looks like at least one of them is going to need a few days before it'll drain.
Surely Feline has some nice sharp, pointy gadgets that can help with that? ;D
Logging some good kilometres there SimonP, I can see I won't have it all my own way at the top of the YACF leaderboard this year!
Some advice from the collective rowers please:
If a man (a) had a birthday coming up, (b) has rowed a bit in the gym before and liked it, and (c) gave gym membership up as being expensive if you're mostly cycle commuting anyway and (d) fancied a bit of variety, but said man wasn't good at winter/ice commuting, which rowing machine would his missus get him so he doesn't become a blimp over winter again?
Durability:price ratio more important than absolute price, and whizzy features probably not important at all. Think Ribble rather than Pinarello.
Some advice from the collective rowers please:
If a man (a) had a birthday coming up, (b) has rowed a bit in the gym before and liked it, and (c) gave gym membership up as being expensive if you're mostly cycle commuting anyway and (d) fancied a bit of variety, but said man wasn't good at winter/ice commuting, which rowing machine would his missus get him so he doesn't become a blimp over winter again?
Durability:price ratio more important than absolute price, and whizzy features probably not important at all. Think Ribble rather than Pinarello.
I'm a crap rower really so don't listen to me. But if I had to give up my gym membership tomorrow I would get this:
http://www.powerhouse-fitness.co.uk/concept-2-indoor-rower-model-d-with-pm3-monitor.php
Here. (http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum)
It's different to the challenge team - you need to do this from your profile page to be seen in this list. (Under 'Affiliation')
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Rowing_Marathon
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Rowing_Marathon
... Probably obliterated the horror from my memory.
Still, 22:51 isn't bad for a short fat bird. Still a minute down on last season.
I’ve been slacking for the last week or so, due to a lurgy. Said lurgy seems to be resolving today, so I’ll hopefully be back on it soon.
It’s still all to play for with 5 days remaining.
Looks like you got me. Last day of the challenge but I've got a turbo sesh lined up for tonight. You only need 7km to get to 100km, going to go for it?
Rowing ineptitude:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvMBPZ5Bik
Get yourself over here: http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum (http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum) :thumbsup:
Certainly would't want to drag your figures down at this early stage.hahahhahahha.
A full 6-pack of 2L bottles of water on one of the feet keeps everything in order :thumbsup:
Weds: Left it at setting number 8 and got down to 8:15:09 after trying to stretch more. It put more strain on the arms as well as stomach and I'm struggling with timing my breathing. More practice needed I expect. Would love to get below 8 mins but don't think the arms are up to it!
I seem to have joined a rowing club.
Yesterday we spent a lot of time rowing as an 8. That was interesting.
Tonight a high tide meant rowing was off. Though there was no sign of it that I could see. However instead we did circuits. zOMG! Great fun but very hard work. So very tired.
Yesterday we spent a lot of time rowing as an 8. That was interesting.
Tonight a high tide meant rowing was off. Though there was no sign of it that I could see. However instead we did circuits. zOMG! Great fun but very hard work. So very tired.
This all sounds very serious (8s). Does that mean that rowing might eclipse cycling?
On the subject of eclipses that's why the tide was so high yesterday - lunar eclipse when the moon is at perihelion (closest to the earth) so there is the maximum tidal force. For reasons too detailed to explain I was on the bus to Selsey yesterday and had wondered why the water in Pagham Harbour was as high as I'd ever seen it (and that was propelled by high tides and the January 2014 gales). Fortunately the weather was calm yesterday, if there had been a channel storm we'd be talking about the Island of Selsey today.
And so it was that I hit 195bpm at the end and rowed 9595m in 40:00.
And so it was that I hit 195bpm at the end and rowed 9595m in 40:00.
Top work :thumbsup:
That's what, 20 weeks? Given that you just rowed a 2k piece at just 22, I think it's entirely feasible. You just need to learn a bit of economy at higher ratings.
(FWIW, I've rarely seen anyone do an unrestricted 2k at such a low rating. I like low stroke rates and still go about 27/28 for a 2k.)
I can't ever remember rowing as a novice in an +VIII either: novices always seemed to arrive in IVs! Eights were for the serious racing types.
I've been given a goal of getting below 7 minutes by the end of the head season.(click to show/hide)
I can't ever remember rowing as a novice in an +VIII either: novices always seemed to arrive in IVs! Eights were for the serious racing types.
Cambridge novices are all clogging the river in 8s at the moment, mostly with novice coxes and frustrated coaches on the bank shouting at everybody. It's hilarious unless you're trying to get anything done.
it took one of the crews I was watching about 30 minutes to go 300 yards on friday morning when we timed it wrong and caught all the traffic coming the other way (from the P&E to green dragon bridge, for any cambridge types)
Not been to the P & E for years.
Since graduating to the novice squad, I've been out twice - once in a 4 and once in an 8. It'll be a night-time session in an 8 this evening. Probably in fog. :thumbsup:
Lots of technical drills so far, less of the drunken spider
Cambridge novices are all clogging the river in 8s at the moment, mostly with novice coxes and frustrated coaches on the bank shouting at everybody. It's hilarious unless you're trying to get anything done.
it took one of the crews I was watching about 30 minutes to go 300 yards on friday morning when we timed it wrong and caught all the traffic coming the other way (from the P&E to green dragon bridge, for any cambridge types)
Roll on the Winter League.
Your 2:09 is better than some I could mention.
Main drive comes from the legs. Legs, then body, then arms right at the end. Then the reverse order. Strong core, straight back, relaxed shoulders.
Easier said than done.
Another tip: the return down the slide is called the recovery for a reason. Aim for a 2:1 ratio between recovery and drive, in terms of time.
Quite. First 5K yesterday in 21:33, but at a stupidly high 30 s/m? Not collapsing, no strain, but not really feeling anything thru the legs??
More practice / find a (better) rower for critique???
Quite. First 5K yesterday in 21:33, but at a stupidly high 30 s/m? Not collapsing, no strain, but not really feeling anything thru the legs??
More practice / find a (better) rower for critique???
post a video, we can all have a go!! :)
Mmm, 22:40 @ 23s/m (down from 28m last week)
The thing I find odd is not feeling any resistance on the stroke until legs are straight - it's all body/arms. That supposed to feel like that?
Last night we focused on race starts. I think we did about 30. Maybe more.
Ow.
Nope. Legs legs legs. What drag factor is the machine set on? Most of our mens squad have it at about 130 (http://www.concept2.co.uk/service/monitors/pm3/how-to-use/viewing-drag-factor) if it's too light then you might not be able to apply the legs quickly enough. That kind of drag factor normally needs the fan setting at 4 or 5, but it depends on the state of the machine, sometimes it needs to be higher.
Wonder when someone will send me out in a (not stable) single.
Wonder when someone will send me out in a (not stable) single.
have you tried it yet? It's great! We've just acquired a new Swift single, I took it out last week and it's really easy to sit but feels dead in the water - a bit like a floating erg. Very different to our Janousek and aylings singles which are much less stable but feel a lot more alive.
I subbed into a reasonable quad this morning for 20k of steady state (about an hour and forty). I let them do most of the work but am still struggling to stand or walk upstairs :)
Or imperfect pacing (given that you were dropping close to 2:00 pace in the second half yet managed an average 1:56 split overall). Always nice to leave a little in the bank for the last bit of a longer erg.
I rowed a brisk 10k last month (for the c2ctc (http://c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=140)) in 39:28, and after a bit of a break from the machine since last winter that handle sure did get heavy towards the end, although the last 2k were very slightly my fastest.
Warm ups in our rowing sessions are typically arms only then arms and body lean. So you can row like this. The power you can produce this way will be significantly lower and I'd want to build up slowly as your shoulders in particular will not be used to the effort.
Also note that flexibility limits how much body lean you can use. I often feel my hamstrings are a limiter. Will you be able to stretch them after a session?
Good luck closetleftie
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Almost go out very hard and keep going until you perish. That sort of time is not a lot different to the women's 3k individual pursuit on the track, so I would guess a similar sort of strategy would apply?
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Almost go out very hard and keep going until you perish. That sort of time is not a lot different to the women's 3k individual pursuit on the track, so I would guess a similar sort of strategy would apply?
Ouch, 1k is a horrible distance.. Not far enough to properly settle in, too far to go off flat out and hope for the best. If you're aiming for 3.15 / 3.20 I'd go off at 1.40/1.42 and lift it a bit in the last 300.
I did 10 x 500m last night (all at 2k+2, with a 2 minute rest between each), and I'd probably rather do that session than a flat out 1k.
I think "hour records" are a brilliant thing. There aren't many sports where they are practical for Joe Public, so I urge you (indoor) rowers to make the most of the opportunity :thumbsup:
(I'm too slow to ride a 25 in an hour, so I am cruelly excluded from that option :P )
Paul's law to calculate expected pace given a pace at a different distance.
http://www.machars.net/#paulslaw
My fastest 10K (from 2010) is 39:29.9 and my fastest (much more recent) 2K is 7:13.2. This 2K results in a significantly slower 10K prediction though I should still apparently be able to be under 40 minutes. 2010 was by far my highest milage year.
another question - is there a technique to avoid blisters on one's hands? would mitts help?
I typically go a bit lower resistance. Rowing club advice is to display drag factor and adjust until it's 130 as this gives consistency between machines. Usually this is around 5.
My PB for 5K is 18:56 iirc. You are a much faster cyclist than me so with proper form and getting used to the machine you could surely beat that.
I've bought a boat! A 10 year old janousek 1x called Emily.
I coach during normal adult outings, then the juniors use all the sculls in the other sessions when I'm not coaching so I never get to actually row any more, and I really miss it. I got free rack space at a club where I do occasional coaching and found this online for a sensible amount (1500), and he threw in some blades with it too so I thought why not? I did a couple of years of sculling 10 years ago and love it. Just need to get fit now... :D
Can you Eskimo roll a 4?
Had go to the rowing club for another reason, so did the erg session while I was there.
250, 500, 750, 1000, 750, 500, 250
Got my HR to 191 during the second 750. First time over 190 this year.
Semifinal win: https://youtu.be/VzapzmK9sN4
Semifinal win: https://youtu.be/VzapzmK9sN4
:thumbsup: Nice! is that you at stroke?
Looks like a nicely balanced boat. :thumbsup:
If you're a follower of Concept 2 on Facebook, you may have seen the video of Josh Dunkley-Smith setting a new Oz 2km record of 5:38.6. Insane - he doesn't even look that fazed as he grinds out 1:25 splits. Incredible!
Stable seems to be a term with various interpretations.
Stable seems to be a term with various interpretations.
;D ;D
we've got some 'explorer' boats at ours, they're 2x the width of a normal single and even though they're quite hard to capsize they definitely let you know if your timing isn't right or you make a mess of the finish! Stick at it..
Did same st 1:48.8 yesterday evening, r29.
It’s supposed to be 6x500m but I felt sick after the 5th and didn’t want to find out what would happen if I did another.
Did same st 1:48.8 yesterday evening, r29.
It’s supposed to be 6x500m but I felt sick after the 5th and didn’t want to find out what would happen if I did another.
:D sounds ideal.
I even managed a scull yesterday, first one in ages and the steering and balance weren't too bad despite the wind - am spending too much time coaching to actually row. The squad did their 2k tests last night and everyone except 1 got a PB, so I can't ask much more.. Here's a clip of the 4 that are racing at Nottingham in 10 days on their first outing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djpzid-hBmY the woman at 2 (white t-shirt, second from the right) has only been rowing for about a year, I'm really pleased with how she's doing.
I'm interested* to find out how the new competition framework is going to work.
* Suspect it will be chaotic.
Fantastic. I wondered if you were at Nottingham - lots of your clubmates here...
Fantastic. I wondered if you were at Nottingham - lots of your clubmates here...
Probably Bristol City?
Currently sitting in the beer tent not allowed on the water due to thunder. We have a rematch with Staines in the 750m semi final then if we beat that either Cardiff Uni or Monmouth School in the final. We lost to Monmouth last year with a much weaker line up. Hopefully we will get to race.
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
Are you racing or there in a coaching capacity?
We’ve entered our 4+ in Masters A/B and Open on Saturday and Open on Sunday. There was no competition in masters on Sunday.
update: I am subbing in, but in a later heat. See you in the final!
congratulations
Congrats on the award, simonp. :thumbsup:
I might be an outlier in this thread as it's more cycling that's cross training for rowing... Anyway, spurred on by marshalling at British Masters this year I have a race licence again and am racing at Bedford Head this Sunday (Mas C Mixed 2x), with a view to entering British Masters next year.. Not too many outings for us over the summer, but it's a useful baseline, and our club (Isle of Ely) is attending anyway so it's easy.
I won't think it's easy during the race - will have the usual thoughts of 'why?' and 'I've paid good money to do this'. Anyone else entered?
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Winter challenge at our club is 20@20.
Not had a go yet - but some of the dev squad, who are likely 20 years younger than me have posted distances in the 4600-4700m range. I'm hoping for >5000m.
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Winter challenge at our club is 20@20.
Not had a go yet - but some of the dev squad, who are likely 20 years younger than me have posted distances in the 4600-4700m range. I'm hoping for >5000m.
I might need to give that a go - I usually row at a rate of 24 or 25 on the Concept II so it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment to try 20. I'd hope to still get under 19 minutes for 5000 metres at 24/25 so would like to think I could get close to 5000m in 20@20. Although it would be hard to resist the temptation to blast the last 300m as usual.
Interesting to see others' views on HR. I wasn't trusting my Garmin when it said I reached 190 but perhaps I'm not as old as I feel. ;D
Don’t think I’ll be doing this. I limit myself to one erg a week usually.
Signed up for the Concept 2 holiday challenge today. 100,000m between midnight on November 22 and December 24th.
Don’t think I’ll be doing this. I limit myself to one erg a week usually.
There's a new 100,000m record apparently. One to consider for a stormy winter's evening perhaps? ;)
From what I could tell, the Finnish Freak who got the record rode 1:48 splits for six hours :o.
I've snuck out in the single a few times in the last fortnight and it's *amazing* to be back on the water :D
A long way off being race fit, but loving loving loving being out. Probably fall in next time.
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
ooh, I'd missed this! How are you finding the fluid? I was dissuaded from buying one because I was told they feel a bit soft, but others have said they're much more forgiving as a result and they seem to win a lot of races...
I've been coaching rowing (volunteering) for 3 or 4 years now, for one of the clubs in Cambridge plus a university college first boat, both only mid-table performance at best but in december I started shadowing one of the coaches for the cambridge boat race crew, in an attempt to get better at coaching faster crews and I'm loving it.. Amazing to watch olympic-level athletes train and fight for seats, and they even ask me to do some shouting sometimes.
I also did my level 2 coaching qualification, although that was much more about safety and process than actual rowing. Good to get it done though!
Expect to be doing more on the Ergo now.
Make sure to log it using ergdata onto your concept 2 logbook. They'll send you a free pin in the post when you verify it.
(https://i.imgur.com/otQBSYS.jpg)
I strongly strongly advise using chamois cream on the insides of your elbows, knees, and your forearms where they can rub against your sides. Friction + salt sweat is your enemy!!! Liberally smear anywhere you think might have any kind of rub.
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
You can get a badge and a T shirt for logging 1,000,000 lifetime metres.
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
You can get a badge and a T shirt for logging 1,000,000 lifetime metres.
And this is what it looks like. I wouldn't have bothered if it was only the medal, but the T-shirt which comes with it feels like a good quality one.
(https://i.imgur.com/SksO8YYm.jpg)
Also I wasn’t the one who capsized. :smug:
that would have been me, last week. Bit rusty.. (left blade got caught under a tree just down from First Post, quick swim to the towpath then back in the boat. Luckily the river was really quiet and nobody saw :D )
The gut gets in the way and I always feel like I'm not getting enough breath. Hopefully the rower will work its magic and the gut will diminish.
945,088
I had no idea it was so close...
*bling lust*
I'm not allowed to go to the rowing club, because it's Tier 3 and I'm not.
Am working towards a marathon on the Concept 2Now down to an 11 week wait (and counting) for a Concept 2. I'd rather buy brand new than
They are designed for huge mileage. Most secondhand ones will be barely run in unless they have come from a commercial environment.Am working towards a marathon on the Concept 2Now down to an 11 week wait (and counting) for a Concept 2. I'd rather buy brand new than
go for a pre-owned one on ebay.
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?:o
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
Are Trial 8s running downstream (Ely - Littleport)? Hope to be watching; women & lightweights also?
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
Are Trial 8s running downstream (Ely - Littleport)? Hope to be watching; women & lightweights also?
yep, starting at the tiny flag just after the adelaide bridge - which lines up with the commemorative marker on the road side bank where the race started in 1948 (?). Not sure on timings but it'll be the openweight men and women in eights, plus the lightweight women in fours and lightweight men in eights (I think) - although oxford lightweight men still havent agreed to racing in Ely. I'll post here as soon as I find out times, if you like.. Look out for me on a launch following the women!
I only have the timings for the women:
Yes please, Mike - I'd like to see them all, timings would be useful if you can get them.
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?
as of last night, 300k done! Went for a ride on tuesday and it has ruined my legs, might take a few days off the erg now! :D
Am 6 days into The Haul - 15 hours on the Concept II in January, 3 hours 10 minutes so far, so just ahead of schedule.
concept2Brand new the waiting is about 15 -20 weeks and the cost is approx £820.
Hard to buy new at the mo, but they do come up on ebay
The first concept 2 I used the wheel was an actual bicycle wheel with a 5 speed block, and plastic flaps attached to the spokes. Distance was a clickety old school bike mileometer
Back then it wasn’t a rowing machine, it was an ergometer . Rowing machines were what you got from Argos.The first concept 2 I used the wheel was an actual bicycle wheel with a 5 speed block, and plastic flaps attached to the spokes. Distance was a clickety old school bike mileometer
The first gym I went to had those, they upgraded to model B's with the plywood footplates and PM on the fan cage
Mine has been put back, so probably sometime in March.concept2Brand new the waiting is about 15 -20 weeks and the cost is approx £820.
Hard to buy new at the mo, but they do come up on ebay
I have seen pre-owned models on ebay for about £500.
I've had a couple of days off with a foot too sore to push off [gout]
Having done 250k in December and deep into the 15 hours of the haul this month, noticed that I was able to keep a faster pace over an hour, so decided to have a go at a half-marathon PB today. Knocked more than 2 minutes off the old time, so the distance has really made a difference. I hope it transfers to the bike once the weather gets better and I can ride a reasonable distance from home.
Having done 250k in December and deep into the 15 hours of the haul this month, noticed that I was able to keep a faster pace over an hour, so decided to have a go at a half-marathon PB today. Knocked more than 2 minutes off the old time, so the distance has really made a difference. I hope it transfers to the bike once the weather gets better and I can ride a reasonable distance from home.
awesome. I get to about 12k and then have just had enough.. Do you watch a movie while you're doing it?
I'm guessing you got there? :) Amazing. I did manage an hour without stopping last week, but that's probably my boredom limit.
I finished The Haul too, and am now aiming for another 200k in Feb. It's a shame they don't do the scoreboard like during the holiday challenge, I found that really motivating!
Yea Training Tall is good but a bit too much of an American and youtuber for my liking :)
/me might and might not have put down a payment on a waterrower A1 :)
I also decided that installing a metronomeThanks for the tip :thumbsup: . I have a couple of metronomes (used for double bass practice), one could
The watts comparison from cycling to rowing is really interesting (if you like that kind of thing!) - athletes that I coach can typically generate about 30-40 watts more on the bike than on the rower during something like a hard 10 minute interval.Much of this is due to ‘wasted’ movement during rowing. If you were doing sit-ups on a recumbent bike this would be power your body was producing that was not contributing to forward motion nor being measured by the power meter. This is partly the nature of rowing but is exacerbated by poor technique.
Alas there is no such adjustment on the current, new, cheapo rower. If I'm still rowing in a years time, then I'll look as picking up one of the cheap concept II rowers that are likely to flood the market post Covid!!!
Well since I have been searching about indoor rowing, youtube showed me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0XShQBJ1Kk&feature=youtu.be ( World championship indoor rowing)I'm not interested in the competition and the winnings of the sport. But what is mesmerizing that we got people all around the world rowing against each other. Also it is pro rowers, ex Olympians, world champs against <insert title> Bloggs with a live feed from their living room, kitchens, lofts, garden, shed, gym etc.
My Concept2 D type arrived last Monday. I've had three sessions on it (first one was just to get
used to it), all uploaded to my online logbook. I'm liking it a lot*.
* Must get rid of the Nordictrack 5000 ski that I don't use).
anyone else watch the boat races yesterday? as a volunteer coach with cambridge, I thought it was awesome :D. I wasn't allowed to be there, it was incredibly carefully controlled.
I thought the venue was great, helped massively by sunshine and a benign wind - if it'd been today (15 gusting 25 from the north) it would have been very rough, apparently there are waves on the course this morning.
Cambridge women were much bigger and stronger and I thought should probably have won by more. The technique looked a bit rough from a few people, but they showed a lot of guts to get back in front and the stern 4 looked magnificent. Oxford rowed brilliantly to get ahead and to stay in touch after ½ way, they looked more together than Cambridge although their catches all looked slow.
Cambridge mens rowing was absolutely textbook. They looked incredibly together and very very clean - hard to believe they've only been back on the water for a month, its some of the best rowing I've seen from them in a while. Their coxing was *very* close to the limit, the umpire could possibly have disqualified them if there had been a clash.
Hopefully the reserves and the lightweights will be scheduled for soon, exams and logistics permitting, it's a shame they won't get any coverage on the telly.
I've done 98k metres since 16th March 2021. I use it every day that I'm not on the bike. I signed
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020. As this is a cross-training thread, the question is, has it helped my cycling?
On the club run on Saturday, after hanging on whilst the ex-national TT champion and the sub-2:30 marathon runner drove the group, once they left, was able to tow the rest of the group for 10 miles, with the club captain, who is normally my peer, claiming that he was 'hanging on'. Even Jeff, who usually manages to half-wheel me to exhaustion gave up trying. Yes, it could have been a good day, but perhaps the number of cumulative hard 30 minute - 60 minute efforts on the indoor rower have helped my ability to put the hammer down for a similar period of time.
Hubris will probably follow next week. I get my race bike back from Argos cycles and will probably be out the back up the first hill. But until then, I'm going to claim that the rowing has definitely helped my cycling.
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Yes, and a t-shirt.Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Like this?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg2492115#msg2492115 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg2492115#msg2492115)
I've done about 1.2m meters since starting in late November. Most of it slow - 2.10-15 split - but am starting to mix in more intense, higher rate sessions too. 10x500m last week was... not fun at all.* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
Am definitely stronger and more able to push myself on the bike - am getting lots of PBs on Strava and even won a race up a [short] hill with my other half last weekend!! although she may not have known we were racing....
* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
My youngest brother is a member of the Six Million Metre Club and has done half a dozen Half* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
I try and do 5 or 6 days a week, and it ranges from 6.5k to 12k per session. Now the sun's out I'm doing more meters on the water (and on the bike), but am trying to do 2 or 3 ergs a week.
Haven't tried that yet, the longest I've managed without a break is an hour.. Perhaps a challenge for May!!I've only had mine since mid-March, so building up endurance on it. I've gone from the short
What how much slower do you go for a ½ compared to 20 minute pace?
My next session will be 10 x 500 metres, (about 30 strokes per min, 30 seconds easy rowing between each interval). The last few may not be quality, but I want to row to exhaustion.Just tried it, and it was extremely hard. It felt like a typical winter training session that I endured with the Sale Harriers 400 metre sprinting group with back in the early 80s.
...... at about my 2k pace, .......quicker than 2k pace,What is this 2k pace you refer to? :-)
.......all at about 2k pace. It's awful.
What is this 2k pace you refer to? :-)
hehe good luck.:thumbsup:
After a few trips to the Lakes and along with some idle scrolling of the interweb's rabbit holes. I'm thinking about joining a course to build my own canoe. Spend many a summer trips in one :)
Did I see Mike OTP driving a CUBC launch yesterday (following an eight that was apparently getting close to me, sculling the other way)?You did!
Thought it was you as you came back past our stage. I'm just bimbling about with no race licence this year, so happy enough to pull in if required. I wish you & them well for Henley (no doubt with the regular cox who, presumably, can steer and does not drive the coach nuts). Out again this evening for me.Did I see Mike OTP driving a CUBC launch yesterday (following an eight that was apparently getting close to me, sculling the other way)?You did!
That's the crew racing at Henley in a couple of weeks. Substitute Cox tho, who is a lovely guy but not great at steering!
I have managed to row just over 1300m in an hour a few times before.Surely you mean 13,000m?
Concept 2 are organising their usual Fall Team Challenge, as many meters as possible as a team from 15th September to 15th October, which neatly coincides with me getting back on the Concept II after enjoying cycling in the summer. Any one else interested in forming a team.oops I forgot about this. So I have joined the RowAlong team and we are currently #3 ;)
8k or so down to the lock and back in the sculling boat this morning.
Actually "in" gives entirely the wrong idea. Picture a hippopotamus riding on a bright yellow cigar, and I'm not going to get fit doing it because I just CBA to do it hard enough, or with any structure.
But it's so Zen in the autumn sunshine, trying for that elusive perfect stroke, 18 times a minute. It's just really really good for my soul. By the end of it, I was even loving the anglers and the bloke with a spliff steering his narrow-boat down the middle.
8k or so down to the lock and back in the sculling boat this morning.Pleased you can get some zen at the moment. Sending good thoughts.
Actually "in" gives entirely the wrong idea. Picture a hippopotamus riding on a bright yellow cigar, and I'm not going to get fit doing it because I just CBA to do it hard enough, or with any structure.
But it's so Zen in the autumn sunshine, trying for that elusive perfect stroke, 18 times a minute. It's just really really good for my soul. By the end of it, I was even loving the anglers and the bloke with a spliff steering his narrow-boat down the middle.
* I do 10000m each row. Put on a show or movie to low along to.I've never done that. I think of myself as one of Jason's Argonauts, frantically rowing to get
I did 2000m this morning.What level do you set your rower to?
But longer before I can get back on the bike, I think.
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dust in the cage can make the actual setting on the side pretty meaningless - 10 on one can be the same as 1 on another..Last year I took it to pieces for repair. There was a fair amount of crud in there, but removing it made almost zero difference to the feel. It could certainly use some chain lube.
If you go into the 'utility' page (I think it is) and look for drag factor, it needs you to take a few strokes and then you can see what the resistance actually is. The norm for club rowers is 110-115 ish for women, 120-125ish for men, give or take about 10 depending on preference and how long or hard the session is.
(the ergs in my pure gym were so full of crap it was impossible to get the resistance over 100, even on 10).
dust in the cage can make the actual setting on the side pretty meaningless - 10 on one can be the same as 1 on another..Really? I think you're comparing an individual's machine with another. The settings are not
I'm in. Hit 250k last year, doubt I'll manage the same this time around because of so much else going on - 200 will be a stretch. Fun times.I'm barely able to pedal so the rowing machine is getting all the love this year.
I rowed a boat yesterday. First time ever.Is that like these (https://crastercoastalrowingclub.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cropped-img_10131.jpg)?
It was a half-sized Sgoth (pronounced 'skol').
Winds were light, so we rowed it out of the harbour and back again later.
Keeping rhythm with the other rower was harder than I expected - they seemed to be taking much faster strokes than myself and I had trouble keeping in synch (my stroke might have been longer I guess). My dodge left hand didn't like it much and I had trouble gripping the oar.
Was fun and I look forward to having another go when the boats are out.
I managed to get the 1mill pin and t-shirt and I'm on a waterrower, is that against the rulz ?:thumbsup:
I rowed a boat yesterday. First time ever.Is that like these (https://crastercoastalrowingclub.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cropped-img_10131.jpg)?
It was a half-sized Sgoth (pronounced 'skol').
Winds were light, so we rowed it out of the harbour and back again later.
Keeping rhythm with the other rower was harder than I expected - they seemed to be taking much faster strokes than myself and I had trouble keeping in synch (my stroke might have been longer I guess). My dodge left hand didn't like it much and I had trouble gripping the oar.
Was fun and I look forward to having another go when the boats are out.
\o/ free t-shirtMy younger brother (who has already gone past 5 million metres) said he had to wait six weeks for his t-shirt.
T-shirt and 1-million-metre pin are on their way to me.\o/ free t-shirtMy younger brother (who has already gone past 5 million metres) said he had to wait six weeks for his t-shirt.
Yes.
I row my running avatar on zwift and do running workouts. It seems that when rowing the difference between 'piece of piss I can do this all day' and 'oOMG killmenow I can't breathe' is much smaller than for runners.
I can't do 2 minute splits for more than, oo, 1 minute?
On Sunday I took part in my first race in a single scull since 1993 (For any Concept2-only rowers, a single scull is very similar but with the added possibility of falling in).
I now know that I am slow, as in time yourself with a calendar slow.
Ah well!
Meanwhile, have got over 10 hours into the 15-hour Concept 2 January haul, courtesy of 25k today, which I managed to do in pretty much level 5k splits :smug:
Crushed souls of your competitors?
I think it's just dust picked up from the length of the track and concentrated on to the (softer surface of) the rollers.
I often run a baby wipe down my tracks, clearly dog hair and dust.I also use do the same.
I normally just row my own thing, while I watch Rowalong YouTube video or a TV show.Does the noise of your machine and fan not interfere with your listening to the commentary of
Headphones and subtitles is what I do.
That's why I got the waterrower :)I normally just row my own thing, while I watch Rowalong YouTube video or a TV show.Does the noise of your machine and fan not interfere with your listening to the commentary of
the YouTube video or tv show?
Oh here's my 6 month review after 6 month use, written last August https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/ (https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/)Doesn't sound
No didn't do anything to the levels or quality. Here's a good comparison on the various sound/rowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedBwDs7XH8 The waterrower is just more pleasant and gentle to my ears, where the C2 just sounds horrid and would drive me up the wall.Oh here's my 6 month review after 6 month use, written last August https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/ (https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/)Doesn't soundany less loudermuch quieter than my RowErg. Did you deliberately omit how much
you paid for your rower?
Have you been able to benchmark your performance across different types of rower? I used a water-rower in a gym and was able to get a sub-7 2k, which I've never been able to do on a Concept2 and never willSoft water area? :-)
I paid £849 https://www.waterrower.co.uk/waterrower-a1-studio-rowing-machine (https://www.waterrower.co.uk/waterrower-a1-studio-rowing-machine)My concept 2 rower cost £865. Though I did have to wait four months for it (regularly receiving
From what I understand/read this computer is much better than the S4 on warerrower and the PM5 on C2, when it comes to numbers watt, stroke, rate etc.I use the ErgData app (https://www.concept2.com/service/software/ergdata) which gives more information than the PM5 does natively.
When I have faffed around on water in a plastic dingy or canoe. I take a stroke and I keep flowing in that general direction. With the warerrower, you do a stroke and the water wheel spins and the computer counts as you "float" along. So not counting that "float" is wrong to me.Equally, on the C2, the erg flywheel runs on as you return. They're much the same as far as that is concerned- waterrower just uses water for resistance rather than air and fan blades.
I use the ErgData app (https://www.concept2.com/service/software/ergdata) which gives more information than the PM5 does natively.Me too, and I upload the workouts to my Concept2 logbook. (https://log.concept2.com/login)
When (if) you store your water-rower upright, do you empty the water tank?No the water stays in there just fine when standing up. They sell a blue colour you can add to the water. I have been thinking about some gold fish ... ;)
How often do you put tablets in to purify the water, and do you vary the resistance, by adding
reducing the amount of water in the tank?
RESISTANCE SETTINGS
The WaterRower is unique in using the effect of drag to provide an exercise which is entirely self paced.
Because drag is linked to speed, a crew rowing down a river chooses its intensity of exercise simply by altering
the pace at which they row: the faster the boat travels the greater the drag and the harder the crew must work.
This is a similar effect to swimming.
By replicating these dynamics the WaterRower does not require adjustment to increase resistance: if a more
intensive workout is required, simply row faster and harder, and the WaterRower will respond accordingly.
WATER LEVEL
The amount of water in the tank simulates the weight of the boat and crew as it glides down the river. Changing
the water level does not change the resistance, it simply changes the mass which the user is trying to move.
Increasing the water level simulates a heavier boat and crew mass, similarly reducing the water level
simulates a lighter boat and crew mass.
The water level is adjusted according to one’s personal preference or user type; the intensity of course is
altered simply by moving the chosen mass faster or slower. A level gauge is positioned on the tank just below
the computer. Typical settings are:
Children 12-14 liters
Women 14-16 liters
Athletes 16-18 liters
NOTE- Fill the tank with ordinary municipal water. Municipal water contains additives which will deter algae
growth. Distilled or purified water has had these additives removed, promoting algae growth, and should
therefore be avoided. (Refer to the section on Periodic Maintenance for advice on water treatment). Should
the environment in which the WaterRower is stored be subject to freezing, we recommend adding alchohol to
the water.
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Congratulations, Mike, & well done CUBC women. :thumbsup: It's been rather quiet on the water in Ely in the last couple of weeks...
thank you! make the most of the flat water, the chaos restarts next weekend! Lots of triallists for us to weed through...
I guess those doing the C2 Holiday Challenge are rowing at some sort of endurance pace, rather like when riding an audax. When I used a C2 regularly in a gym a few years ago I recall 2:10/500m pace as feeling like something I could do all day (although the longest time I rowed was about 30mins) and anything under 2:00/500m was considerably more difficult and not sustainable beyond 2000m.Depends on what session I undertake. 12 x 500m will be different to, say, 4 x 2000m or 3 x 13 mins.
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
I guess those doing the C2 Holiday Challenge are rowing at some sort of endurance pace, rather like when riding an audax. When I used a C2 regularly in a gym a few years ago I recall 2:10/500m pace as feeling like something I could do all day (although the longest time I rowed was about 30mins) and anything under 2:00/500m was considerably more difficult and not sustainable beyond 2000m.
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
If you don't have the space there's now this - https://launch.myrowbro.com/ (https://launch.myrowbro.com/) a portable rowerNo information on price.
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?It would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?It would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
The online videos I looked before start to row, my younger brother's experience and a youngIt would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
I row at resistance level 5 as I was told (whether that is correct or not) that this most naturally simulated rowing on the water (not that I have ever done that - for which my son, who went to a school that did - looks down on me and will do so forever). I have also been told (not that I have experimented) that the 'resistance' level is more about altering the work that needs to be done between the upper body and lower body. Certainly, when I went to gyms, I would often be next to someone with upper body strength who would whack the resistance up to 10, blast for about a minute and then look across at skinny (upper body) me and be puzzled by the fact that I was recording a time as quick as theirs without apparently breaking sweat.
I'd been more interested at stroke rates - mine for anything over 2k settles at 25. It might up to 26 as I get fatigued - say for the last 10 minutes of an hour when i am starting to struggle to keep to my pace at stroke rate 25 - and it might go as high as 30 when I'm sprinting the last 300 metres. This might be me making the most of 189cm height or I might be missing a trick.
I have also been told (not that I have experimented) that the 'resistance' level is more about altering the work that needs to be done between the upper body and lower body. Certainly, when I went to gyms, I would often be next to someone with upper body strength who would whack the resistance up to 10, blast for about a minute and then look across at skinny (upper body) me and be puzzled by the fact that I was recording a time as quick as theirs without apparently breaking sweat.
resistance level is very machine-dependent - level 10 on a badly maintained machine can be easier than level 2 on a new one because the fan casing fills up with dust and the fan doesn't slow down as much between strokes. If it's your machine, it's worth hoovering the cage out every year or so.
to check what resistance you're really working at, go into 'more options', then 'view drag factor' and take a couple of strokes until you get a number, it should be somewhere between 80 and 200.
Most club rowers will go for about 100-110 (women) and 115-125 (men). Go lower if you're less experienced, it's slightly more technically difficult* but it'll be **much** less likely to cause injuries on longer sessions.
* - you need to make sure you're just using your legs in the first part of the stroke. If you try and use your body or arms too early then it'll make it more difficult to generate enough power.
I found what looks like a bargain water row machine (Mrs C favours a water row over air because of appearance).Here is a used Concept2 rower that you could consider:
https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060 (https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060)
Looks to me to be a straight copy of a Waterrow, with slightly more limited electronics.
I'm troubled by the lack of reviews. The ones on the company site are all 5 star, and from new rowers, which makes me twitch.
Anything other than a Concept2 or a genuine WaterRower is probably a waste of money.The more research I do, the more that seems to be the case. There are good alternatives (nordictrack, for example), but they are a very similar price.
(Sweeping generalisation, but everything else I've seen, including in some gyms ::-) can only be described as an erg shaped object)
Mr Smith's Concept2 came to me with him (as it were) and was second hand when he got it. I doubt very much Oscar's Dad's rower will last 20 years / many million metres.
We bought a Concept II in 2010. It does sit idle a lot of the time, and then gets more intensive use when the weather gets bad. It continues to operate reliably, with just a little bit of TLC for the chain.Oil it every 50k metres or so.
We bought a Concept II in 2010. It does sit idle a lot of the time, and then gets more intensive use when the weather gets bad. It continues to operate reliably, with just a little bit of TLC for the chain.Oil it every 50k metres or so.
I had 2 weeks of use of my waterrower before going away for christmas.In week 4 now. Total of 10 sessions (stopped while I was away over christmas).
Trying to be a good boy and not overload joints, so sticking to 30min, 3 times a week. (plus 5min warmup)
Normally do 6500m or so, in each session. Goal is 7500m in 30 min by summer.
The rower is stuck in the 'guest' bedroom atm, so a bit of a boring place to row.
I bought the bluetooth connection module and wish I hadn't, since it seems flaky, doesn't maintain connection.