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Title: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 September, 2008, 11:40:05 pm
No "Food & Drink" board is complete without its Marmalade thread.

I've just jarred 11lb of best Seville Orange marmalade. Absolutely marvellous stuff. I've used old "Bonne Maman" jars because I think they are the easiest to scrape out. I'm also interested to see how many of the lids' "vacuum buttons" my marmalade will suck down. Last time we made some, the success rate was pretty high.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Jaded on 30 September, 2008, 11:44:08 pm
Marmalade.

Marvellous.


Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 30 September, 2008, 11:53:18 pm
I've used Bonne Maman jars when jam making; their wide tops make filling without spilling easier.
I've not done marmalade; partner no likey...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Jaded on 01 October, 2008, 12:12:42 am
If you made some, I'd take it off your hands.

I wouldn't charge much.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: numbnuts on 02 October, 2008, 03:18:40 pm
I use to make my own marmalade and add some crystallized ginger  :P :P
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: geoff on 02 October, 2008, 08:51:50 pm
No "Food & Drink" board is complete without its Marmalade thread.

I've just jarred 11lb of best Seville Orange marmalade. Absolutely marvellous stuff. I've used old "Bonne Maman" jars because I think they are the easiest to scrape out. I'm also interested to see how many of the lids' "vacuum buttons" my marmalade will suck down. Last time we made some, the success rate was pretty high.

Do you have a recipe for it?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 October, 2008, 01:19:30 pm
Marmalade.

Marvellous.



And all because we didn't know what to do with these strange fruits! Or so I've heard, but can't find a reference to it now, that when seville oranges were introduced to Britain, people found them too bitter to eat raw and didn't think to peel them before cooking.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fruitcake on 05 October, 2008, 08:41:43 pm
Lemon marmalade makes a nice change every now and then.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: keepontriking on 05 October, 2008, 08:48:52 pm
Lemon marmalade makes a nice change every now and then.

With added whisky  ;D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Chris S on 05 October, 2008, 08:57:09 pm
It's Jam, but with Oranges, Lemons or Limes.

What's not to like?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 06 October, 2008, 02:47:04 pm
It's Jam, but with Oranges, Lemons or Limes.

What's not to like?

Partner dislikes its bitterness.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: clarion on 06 October, 2008, 03:09:06 pm
I wish I liked marmalade... :(
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 06 October, 2008, 03:33:27 pm
I love the stuff especially Oxford Marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: bikenerd on 06 October, 2008, 03:36:14 pm
I love marmalade, the darker, the bitterer the better.
When undertaking a walking tour of Seville, we were told by the guide that the locals have never eaten Seville oranges and they sell them all to "the crazy English".
Seville's a great city, btw.  Hopefully they've completed the Metro by now.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 06 October, 2008, 04:04:08 pm
I wonder wtf they grew them in the first place then before we invented marmalade ?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: bikenerd on 06 October, 2008, 04:25:26 pm
I wonder wtf they grew them in the first place then before we invented marmalade ?

Ornamental trees, supposedly.  The blossom is very pretty.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: clarion on 06 October, 2008, 04:27:35 pm
Are you suggesting that Orange Blossom Special? ;D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 October, 2008, 06:26:25 pm
Wowbagger's Brother's Vintage Shropshire Marmalade

3lbs Seville Oranges
2 lemons
6lbs sugar
up to 4 pints water (no more!)

Wash the fruit and boil until tender in about half the water.

Cut in half and slice the peel, returning the fruit to the already boiled water.

Add the sugar, make up with the rest of the water and boil until setting point is reached (in my experience this is several hours). Skim out the pips, which will rise to the surface.

Wait at least 20 minutes before jarring into hot jars with good lids. You may wish to use greaseproof paper circles on the top of the marmalade.

Remember - Seville oranges are only available for a short time in January. They freeze well for use throughout the year.

I prefer to use the "Bonne Maman" type of jar as they are easier to fill, and empty. If you use the original lids and screw them on tight when the marmalade is still hot enough, they can vacuum-seal.

I usually make the jars hot by giving them a standard wash in the dishwasher.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 December, 2008, 11:15:52 pm
Yesterday I made another 11 pots. It's wonderful. Again, I used "Bonne Maman" jars and 10/11 are now vacuum sealed. The 11th, once cooled had a wee dram of a'bunadh (60.2% abv) added to it. That's my special pot, that is.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 14 December, 2008, 11:53:07 pm
Partner dislikes its bitterness.

That's precisely what I do like about it. The bitterer the betterer. Most jams are far too sweet for my taste.

Wowbagger, you've inspired me - I shall make it my mission to seek out a source of Seville oranges and make a big batch of Vintage ShropshireKent Marmalade over the Christmas hols.

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: nicknack on 14 December, 2008, 11:54:26 pm
You'll probably have to wait till Jan for the oranges though.

<>edit> I see Wowb beat me to it. I've still got one batch left from last year in the freezer and I'm down to the last jar, so I may have to do some in the hols too.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 14 December, 2008, 11:55:13 pm
6lbs sugar

Does this have to be jam sugar or will any kind do?

Quote
Remember - Seville oranges are only available for a short time in January.

Oh yeah, was forgetting that... will have to postpone marmalade-making mission.

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 December, 2008, 11:58:09 pm
Ordinary granulated sugar is fine.

Two years ago we got a "job lot" of Seville oranges in Southend market one snowy January morning when there was nobody about and the stall holder wanted to pack up and go home. 30lb oranges for £10. We've still got some left in the freezer, but not enough to last through to 2010. I will buy some more next month.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 15 December, 2008, 12:53:01 am
I reckon I should be able to get Seville oranges at Borough Market, which is near work - but not 30lb for a tenner!

Another thing that's good to make in Jan/Feb is preserved lemons, using the fantastic thick-skinned Sicilian lemons that are available then. Just get a load of lemons (must be unwaxed!), juice half of them, cut the rest into quarters but not all the way through (so the quarters are still joined at the stem) and pack them with coarse sea salt. Make a bed of salt in the bottom of a sterilised jar then pack in the lemons, with more salt to fill in the gaps between them. When you can't get any more lemons in, top up the jar with the lemon juice - make sure there are no air pockets - put the lid on the jar it and store it somewhere cool and dark for a few weeks.

Once they've matured, you can use the peel finely diced in Middle Eastern cooking. You need only a small amount to impart a heady lemon flavour, so one jar goes a long way. Particularly good with chicken - I recommend them in a chicken tagine with almonds and olives.

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 September, 2009, 10:49:34 am
Another batch is simmering away now. I'll soon start to take the pips out.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: numbnuts on 02 September, 2009, 10:54:52 am
2 weeks ago I made 5lb of orange and ginger marmalade :P
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 02 September, 2009, 01:05:05 pm
Thinks! Maybe, just maybe I should try with Thai oranges. There's plenty of them.

Currently, the best tasting marmalade that I can find at a sensible price is Tesco's brand.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Seineseeker on 02 September, 2009, 01:40:38 pm
Homemade by my mum ever since I was little, and I'm now 43.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 September, 2009, 05:16:12 pm
I have just test-driven a marmalade sandwich and it was very good.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 October, 2010, 10:48:01 am
I've got another lot of marmalade on the go but - disaster!

I'm sure they are not Seville oranges!

They've been in the freezer since Jan 2009 and I can't remember where we bought them, but they were bought as Seville oranges. The trouble is, I've never yet come across a Seville orange without any pips.

I expect I will have 11 jars of golden shred-alike to plough through. Yeuch!  >:(
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Seineseeker on 22 October, 2010, 12:05:42 am
Homemade by my mum ever since I was little, and I'm now 44 ;)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 January, 2011, 08:34:04 pm
My last lot, with the seedless oranges, was not as good as usual, but wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I'm in the process of jarring up about 16lb of pure Seville orange stuff - apart from the two lemons. I've never tried the recipe without those. I wonder what they do?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: perpetual dan on 28 January, 2011, 09:39:19 pm
Extra pectin?
My mum uses a grapefruit as well as the lemons. Lovely.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 January, 2011, 09:43:14 pm
I've just tasted the stuff and it's really good. It's all too easy to overcook it slightly and end up with caramelised sugar. It's OK like that but this seems to have a much lighter appearance and a much fresher flavour.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2011, 02:00:55 pm
My last lot, with the seedless oranges, was not as good as usual, but wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I'm in the process of jarring up about 16lb of pure Seville orange stuff - apart from the two lemons. I've never tried the recipe without those. I wonder what they do?

I read somewhere on the interweb that jam needs a pH of 3.8 to set.
Methinks lemons lower pH and enable process, but I are guessing.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: orienteer on 29 January, 2011, 04:44:10 pm
Mrs O just completing third batch this season. It's the splash of whisky at the end that makes the flavour :P
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Canardly on 06 February, 2011, 08:24:51 pm
How can anyone not like marmalade?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 February, 2011, 06:16:59 pm
I made an impromptu visit to Waitrose this afternoon because the house was totally devoid of fresh fruit. I was just passing the loose Seville oranges (£2.39 per kg) when a couple of blokes arrived with a labelling machine and reduced the price of the pre-packed Seville oranges to 29p per kilo. I bought all three packs.

I must have a reappraisal and see how many Seville oranges we've got in the freezer.

Edit: approximately 30lb. That's enough to make ⅟20th of a ton of marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2011, 09:14:00 pm
Edit: approximately 30lb. That's enough to make ⅟20th of a ton of marmalade.
Do you think you could express that in terms of metric shedloads?  ;D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 07 February, 2011, 09:27:29 pm
How can anyone not like marmalade?
I've got a friend who only likes the pale orange shredless stuff. What's the point of that? Total waste of oranges.

I like marmalade like I like my men - dark and bitter. With bits in.  ???
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 February, 2011, 09:37:17 pm
You reduce your men to pieces?!  :)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 February, 2011, 12:19:25 am
How can anyone not like marmalade?
I've got a friend who only likes the pale orange shredless stuff. What's the point of that? Total waste of oranges.

I like marmalade like I like my men - dark and bitter. With bits in.  ???

I'll try to ensure that a consignment of marmalade finds its way to Ealing in time for March and you can take a pot back with you. I would imagine you prefer it a bit rough.  O:-)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Hot Flatus on 08 February, 2011, 07:41:42 am
You are Paddington Bear AICMFP!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2011, 10:22:18 pm
Another 22lb today.

It's a bit tedious, slicing the peel, but the product is wonderful.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 13 February, 2011, 10:01:08 pm
Wow has competition!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-12444399 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-12444399)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Nightfly on 14 February, 2011, 01:32:41 am
I bagged 4kgs of Seville marmalade oranges for 40p today. I could have had another 4kgs but couldn't carry 8kg as I couldn't carry that much as the bike is out of action and I'm still recovering. But struggle I did with 4kg.

I like mine course, thick and caramelised. I have never made marmalade before but with a insatiable hunger for it buying factory produced varieties is proving rather expensive even if my tastes are descerning in selecting the Co-Op's exceptionally tasty Truly Irresistible range of course cut marmalade.

So any pointers to get a chunky, course cut, slightly caramelised flavour will be much appreciated. I like to see chunky evidence of oranges in my marmalade and I don't mean pips.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 February, 2011, 01:54:20 am
Recipe here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8902.msg161263#msg161263).

To caramelise it, just cook it for a bit too long.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Nightfly on 14 February, 2011, 06:50:51 pm
Recipe here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8902.msg161263#msg161263).

To caramelise it, just cook it for a bit too long.

Much obliged WB. I can't wait to get cooking.

Nightfly.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: itsbruce on 15 February, 2011, 01:24:48 pm
Wow has competition!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-12444399 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-12444399)


Wow, you need to be entering that competition next time.  Strike a blow for the conserve-ative proletariat!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 15 February, 2011, 02:01:49 pm
Marmade Mamade is good for those who want better than shop marmalade, but can't be bottomed to make marmalade from scratch.  It's tinned concentrated oranges and pectin - that you boil up and add sugar and water to.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 15 February, 2011, 03:23:59 pm
I don't think it has an 'r'...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 15 February, 2011, 03:32:24 pm
Oh yeah: mamade - Google Product Search (http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=mamade&hl=en&aq=f)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2011, 05:42:53 pm
It's OK in an emergency, but although the tin is labelled as Seville oranges, marmalade made from it doesn't seem to have the bite that my recipe does.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: RJ on 04 April, 2011, 11:02:11 am

Remember - Seville oranges are only available for a short time in January. they freeze well for user throughout the year.


I made a batch of three-fruit marmalade on Saturday:  substitute for Seville oranges a similar weight of:

Lemons (I used 4)
Grapefruit (I used 2)
Ordinary oranges (I used 3)

... all of which came to just over 1.5kg; I reduced the sugar to ~2.5kg, all of which made 9 (standard 1lb) jars. 

Really good - even Dr RJ approves, which means we can make marmalade all year round without needing to freeze Sevilles ...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2012, 04:07:33 pm
Finally got round to making some marmalade this weekend. I used a recipe for Oxford marmalade I found online - I like my marmalade dark and not too sweet. I notice Wowbagger's recipe upthread uses 2 parts sugar to 1 part oranges but the recipe I used requires a 1:1 ratio. In fact, I had two 1kg bags of Demerara sugar and a bit over 2kg of oranges, to which I added two lemons, so there was more fruit than sugar.

I'm pretty pleased with the results, though there are a couple of things I'll do differently next time. I cut the peel a little on the chunky side, even for my tastes, and I could have let the initial boiling in water stage go on a bit longer - the peel could have been a bit more tender.

Very happy with the flavour, though - my preferred shop-bought brand is Frank Cooper's, which is pretty tangy compared to most brands, but even that tastes rather sweet next to my version. (I might use a wee bit more sugar next time to knock off the slightly astringent aftertaste.)

I have another couple of kilos of oranges to make another batch, and the local greengrocer has plenty in stock at a good price at the moment, so I'll probably get some more and freeze them. I stuck to a plain recipe this time, but I'll probably experiment with some other flavourings for the next lot - a bit of ginger, apples, maybe some grapefruit, a splash of whisky...

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2012, 05:00:33 pm
Sounds good but a relatively low sugar content might make this more likely to go mouldy. Refrigerate and eat fast!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: FatBloke on 29 January, 2012, 08:14:01 pm
Where the bloody hel do you buy Seville oranges?   :-\ ??? :-[
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulF on 29 January, 2012, 09:23:38 pm
Where the bloody hel do you buy Seville oranges?   :-\ ??? :-[

Our local green grocer had them a coupe of weeks ago
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: border-rider on 29 January, 2012, 09:25:40 pm
They were in the supermarket last week. Mrs MV got hers from  Riverford. They do seem to have a short season though
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 January, 2012, 09:27:35 pm
Where the bloody hel do you buy Seville oranges?   :-\ ??? :-[
\
Waitrose had them, at a price, last week. The greengrocer in Rochford had them at a much more reasonable price the week before. I haven't bought any yet, but we've still got a load in the freezer from previous years.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: andrewc on 29 January, 2012, 09:36:12 pm
The place I had lunch today, http://www.rootsfarmshop.co.uk/ (http://www.rootsfarmshop.co.uk/) was selling Seville oranges for marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2012, 12:14:52 pm
I have just put 6lb of oranges on to boil.

I was going to go out to find some Sevilles at a knock-down price but when I searched the freezer thoroughly I discovered that we'd got about 20lb squirrelled away from previous years.

I'm short of sugar so a Waitrose trip is in order anyway. I'd better check on the jar situation. It looks as though we've got loads.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2012, 12:16:07 pm
I'm not a big fan of marmalade, but I put some in my porridge at Kildale on Sunday morning, and it was very good, Mr Bagger :)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2012, 12:20:25 pm
Sounds good but a relatively low sugar content might make this more likely to go mouldy. Refrigerate and eat fast!

Good point, thanks. The jars are well sealed but I'll keep them in the fridge to be on the safe side. And there's no danger that they won't be eaten quickly!

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2012, 12:25:01 pm
Where the bloody hel do you buy Seville oranges?   :-\ ??? :-[
\
Waitrose had them, at a price, last week. The greengrocer in Rochford had them at a much more reasonable price the week before. I haven't bought any yet, but we've still got a load in the freezer from previous years.

They were £2.39/kg in Waitrose round here, or 85p/lb (£1.87/kg) in the greengrocer's on the high street.

d.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: noisycrank on 02 February, 2012, 03:01:19 pm
Marmalade.

Marvellous.



And all because we didn't know what to do with these strange fruits! Or so I've heard, but can't find a reference to it now, that when seville oranges were introduced to Britain, people found them too bitter to eat raw and didn't think to peel them before cooking.

I am sure I have been told that orange marmalade was invented in dundee as a way of using something that turned up there on a boat that no one was sure what to do about.

"Popular folklore decrees that John Keiller, a retired merchant, was one day walking through the harbour area in Dundee and came across a Spanish ship which had arrived in the port to seek shelter from a storm. From this ship he is said to have bought a quantity of Seville oranges and taken them home to his wife, who used these unfamiliar ingredients to make an orange preserve – but somewhere in the process something went amiss and she ended up with what we know today as marmalade."

It seems to be a bit more complicated than that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/scotland/perth_tayside/article_2.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/scotland/perth_tayside/article_2.shtml)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 02 February, 2012, 06:04:57 pm
I have a local lady who makes very good Seville marmalade for me, but if I wanted to do it myself, how could I do even better, ie stronger and perhaps a little more bitter?  Any other ways other than using more peel and less sugar?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2012, 12:22:20 am
I have a local lady who makes very good Seville marmalade for me, but if I wanted to do it myself, how could I do even better, ie stronger and perhaps a little more bitter?  Any other ways other than using more peel and less sugar?

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8902.msg161263#msg161263 refers. This is the best marmalade I've ever tasted, and I've just made 1% of a tonne of it!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 03 February, 2012, 12:38:43 am
Ah, lemons.  Fanx.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 05 February, 2012, 12:15:40 pm
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/2012-01-30204757.jpg)

1kg oranges, 750g lemons.

I'm starting another batch tonight and that'll be straight oranges but with crystallised ginger thrown in with the sugar.

I'm particularly fond of tablespoons of marmalade stirred into yoghurt or fromage frais.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 February, 2012, 09:32:50 pm
Marmalade.

Marvellous.



And all because we didn't know what to do with these strange fruits! Or so I've heard, but can't find a reference to it now, that when seville oranges were introduced to Britain, people found them too bitter to eat raw and didn't think to peel them before cooking.

I am sure I have been told that orange marmalade was invented in dundee as a way of using something that turned up there on a boat that no one was sure what to do about.

"Popular folklore decrees that John Keiller, a retired merchant, was one day walking through the harbour area in Dundee and came across a Spanish ship which had arrived in the port to seek shelter from a storm. From this ship he is said to have bought a quantity of Seville oranges and taken them home to his wife, who used these unfamiliar ingredients to make an orange preserve – but somewhere in the process something went amiss and she ended up with what we know today as marmalade."

It seems to be a bit more complicated than that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/scotland/perth_tayside/article_2.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/scotland/perth_tayside/article_2.shtml)
Whatever the truth about marmalade's origins, it's interesting how exotic ingredients get used in completely different ways from those in their native area and then become an essential part of their new home's cuisine - potatoes being the most obvious example.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: RJ on 05 May, 2012, 10:40:00 pm
Following on from one yesterday, just about to jar up another batch of three-fruit marmalade (ordinary oranges; lemons; grapefruit).  This might plug a home-made-Seville gap that seems inevitable, if our current rate of consumption continues.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Kathy on 08 May, 2012, 08:28:38 am
This was my marmalade-making attempt::

http://ablogofallthingskathy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/marmalade.html
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 November, 2012, 10:40:05 am
I now have 6lb of Seville oranges on the stove. The only ones left in the freezer are those I bought this year.

By the end of today I should have about 24lb of finest marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 03 December, 2012, 03:45:30 pm
Just out of interest do tangerines make good marmalade? I ask because there are loads on sale around here and I might just be tempted to have a go? I can buy limes but lemons are more difficult.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 03 December, 2012, 03:54:06 pm
I doubt they'd make impressive marmalade. They have a high water content, thin skin and rather weak flavour.
They'd be OK in a fruit blend or for a mild teatime treat but it would be difficult to avoid an insipid result.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulR on 03 December, 2012, 04:04:55 pm
We've only got about a dozen jars of last year's marmalade left, so we're looking forward to the new Seville season.

In other news, our guests at the weekend came equipped with a bottle of Bombay Sapphire, a jar of marmalade, a lemon and a cocktail shaker.  We provided ice and glasses.  Wow! That's a speedy way to get through marmalade (and gin).
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Kathy on 03 December, 2012, 04:09:13 pm
We've only got about a dozen jars of last year's marmalade left, so we're looking forward to the new Seville season.

In other news, our guests at the weekend came equipped with a bottle of Bombay Sapphire, a jar of marmalade, a lemon and a cocktail shaker.  We provided ice and glasses.  Wow! That's a speedy way to get through marmalade (and gin).

The marmalade didn't curdle? I've made marmaltinis in the past using the last few spoonfuls of fresh marmalade that don't fit in a jar, but adding ice just caused the marmalade to coagulate and form a lump in the bottom of the glass of gin.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 03 December, 2012, 05:28:39 pm
I doubt they'd make impressive marmalade. They have a high water content, thin skin and rather weak flavour.
They'd be OK in a fruit blend or for a mild teatime treat but it would be difficult to avoid an insipid result.

So it looks as though I should try Thai oranges. Currently I buy Tesco's marmalade which is quite cheap with a nothing special taste. I'll do a search for a Thai marmalade recipe.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulR on 03 December, 2012, 05:35:35 pm
The marmalade didn't curdle? I've made marmaltinis in the past using the last few spoonfuls of fresh marmalade that don't fit in a jar, but adding ice just caused the marmalade to coagulate and form a lump in the bottom of the glass of gin.

Not al all. Mark (for that is the name of the bartender who came to stay) did spend a long time shaking the mix, and it came out as a slightly cloudy drink with no lumps at all.  I was impressed, not only by the delicious quaffability of it but also by the fact that, having mixed drinks for four of us, there was still some gin left over.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Kathy on 03 December, 2012, 05:43:21 pm
The marmalade didn't curdle? I've made marmaltinis in the past using the last few spoonfuls of fresh marmalade that don't fit in a jar, but adding ice just caused the marmalade to coagulate and form a lump in the bottom of the glass of gin.

Not al all. Mark (for that is the name of the bartender who came to stay) did spend a long time shaking the mix, and it came out as a slightly cloudy drink with no lumps at all.  I was impressed, not only by the delicious quaffability of it but also by the fact that, having mixed drinks for four of us, there was still some gin left over.

Hm. I'm guessing you didn't use chunky-cut marmalade then, like I did.  :-[
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulR on 03 December, 2012, 05:53:40 pm
Aha, I see.  The quality of your cocktail is not strained. it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven with chunks in it.

Ours was strained.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 08 December, 2012, 10:04:13 am
So I made a microwaved marmalade as a first attempt. That proved that my microwave is too small 'cos I can't get a decent sized cooking dish inside. Hence much reduced quantities used and double cooking required to achieve some stock. Now the laugh. I know there are is a  tremendous variety of fruits grown in Thailand. I asked my wife to buy 1 kg of small oranges not knowing a small variety is also grown here and that's what she bought. Anyway, they had a nice taste and rather than waste them I decided to have a bash. I also used a lime instead of a lemon and one teaspoon of brown sugar which I saw recommended.
These oranges were very easy to peel and cut but a lot of time was spent cutting the peel into small strips
It took rather longer to set than I expected so I am now wondering if one can also overcook it?
The resultant taste is lovely and cost similar to Tescos whose marmalade is very cheap here.
Thanks WOW, my morning toast is now going to be rather delicious :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 February, 2013, 11:01:31 am
Yesterday Waitrose hadseville oranges at 99p a kilo, half the normal price, so I bought 3kg. I'll probably spend Saturday making a double batch, which should yield about 25 pots.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 21 February, 2013, 11:43:12 am
That's good news. I thought I'd missed this year's Seville oranges. Must get down to Waitrose before they all disappear. Or the local greengrocer, who usually has them even cheaper.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: FatBloke on 21 February, 2013, 12:32:36 pm
Yesterday Waitrose hadseville oranges at 99p a kilo, half the normal price, so I bought 3kg. I'll probably spend Saturday making a double batch, which should yield about 25 pots.
I'll pop in tonight. If you left any for me!!! 
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: FatBloke on 23 February, 2013, 01:19:52 pm
Bloody Wowbagger had the last of 'em!!   >:(
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Kathy on 23 February, 2013, 01:22:48 pm
Bloody Wowbagger had the last of 'em!!   >:(

I've got a kilo here, and I'm not sure I've got enough jam-jars. If you want to pop over to Surrey you can have 'em.  ;)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 23 February, 2013, 01:29:22 pm
.... don't forget that you can freeze Seville oranges and then make (more!) marmalade later in the year.   

Last year Mrs Rob froze about 4kg and then re-used the January manufacture jars for a new batch in July.  Looks like we've got some in the freezer again this year

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Kathy on 23 February, 2013, 03:54:28 pm
.... don't forget that you can freeze Seville oranges and then make (more!) marmalade later in the year.   

Last year Mrs Rob froze about 4kg and then re-used the January manufacture jars for a new batch in July.  Looks like we've got some in the freezer again this year

Rob

Ooh, that's handy to know.

<checks freezer space>
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2013, 08:29:11 pm
Bloody Wowbagger had the last of 'em!!   >:(

I left quite a few. Besides, Waitrose had them on display until late March last year.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2013, 10:42:17 pm
Fuck*10237!

I've been boiling this stuff for hours, wondering why it won't set and it's dawned on me. I'm making double quantity. I only put 6lb sugar in when it should have been 12.

Bollocks!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2013, 11:15:30 pm
I have retrieved the situation.

I added 2lb sugar to the rapidly darkening broth simmering sullenly in the pan and it immediately thickened enough to jar it up. Predictably enough, I have about 18lb marmalade rather than the 23lb or so I ought to have had. Its fruit content per pot is also considerably more than it would otherwise have been.

The best analogy I can give is that the normal recipe is akin to a good single malt at about 40% alcohol. This is more like a cask-strength at about 60%. I am eating some now on bread. It's really good, but I don't think I'll be making that mistake again.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 February, 2013, 05:03:10 pm
Bloody Wowbagger had the last of 'em!!   >:(

I left quite a few. Besides, Waitrose had them on display until late March last year.

Fatters, there were no Seville oranges today, but a sign saying "temporarily unavailble", the implication being that they are expecting some more in.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2013, 09:25:59 am
I have just had a couple of slices of toast with some of the marmalade I made a month ago.

It is very strongly-flavoured indeed! Two slices of toast were quite enough.  :D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 23 March, 2013, 10:43:53 am
I might try repeating your mistake deliberately if ever I make marmalade.  I like it strong.  (I asked about it upthread, when then the only idea was to add more lemon).
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 October, 2013, 07:18:48 pm
I'm making a batch at the moment. It's definitely an activity for a non-cycling day and today has been awful weather-wise. To think that less than 3 days ago I was cycling home from choir at 10pm in my shirtsleeves. This morning we had an hour's blast from the central heating.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 11:54:10 am
I noticed yesterday that the Seville oranges have appeared in Waitrose. The pretentious buggers have packaged them in an attractive (!?) cubic cardboard box, rather than leaving them loose like they do for most of their oranges. It seems to me that Seville oranges always look a lot scruffier than other varieties. £2.49 a kilo. Far too much. When the price comes down I shall buy some.

Fatters! I shall send you a text when I see them at a lower price.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Biggsy on 04 January, 2014, 01:23:00 pm
£2.00/kg at Sainsbury's at the moment.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: jsabine on 13 January, 2014, 06:50:25 pm
Wowbagger's Brother's Vintage Shropshire Marmalade

Skim out the pips, which will rise to the surface.

Inspired by this thread, and this recipe, I acquired some Seville oranges last week. I don't really like marmalade that much, so I'm not quite sure why (actually, I know exactly why - they were yellow-labelled in Sainsbury's, and I was suckered by the prospect of a bargain), but I got round to making the stuff last night.

Modified slightly - 1.5kg Seville oranges, 3 slightly tired ordinary ones, 2 lemons, some orange juice, and a bit less than a kilo of sugar, and simmered within an inch of its life so it's dark and caramelised - and it seems to be a little bit addictive. Got 8 and a half Bonne Maman jars out of it, and there isn't very much left in the half-a-jar, so I'm quite pleased with it. (So's my wife, who doesn't like marmalade either, but was looking for seconds of this stuff.)

But despite keeping a check on the pot, there never really seemed to be a time when there were lots of pips available to be skimmed off the top: I spent ages picking them out with a teaspoon, and there are still a fair number in the mix as jarred. What am I doing wrong ...?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JenM on 14 January, 2014, 03:47:12 pm
Marmalade was definitely being made today when I cycled past the Wilkins Jam Factory in Tiptree. It smelled wonderful.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: drossall on 14 January, 2014, 06:09:01 pm
What a great thread. Marmalade is wonderful stuff. Happily, I can buy home made from a stall held each month by a local chapel :thumbsup:

But I've run out and they weren't there this month :(

I'll have to survive on Sainsbury's for now :-\
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: jsabine on 15 January, 2014, 12:32:07 am
In other news, our guests at the weekend came equipped with a bottle of Bombay Sapphire, a jar of marmalade, a lemon and a cocktail shaker.  We provided ice and glasses.  Wow! That's a speedy way to get through marmalade (and gin).

Just finished the odd half-jar of my first ever batch of marmalade, and there was a bit left in the bottom. Added a finger of Tanqueray, put the lid back on, and shook vigorously. Mmmmm.

(Then I rinsed the jar with tonic water. Mmmmm again. We may have to acquire a cocktail shaker.)

This marmalade habit's got potential to become a little alarming.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 19 January, 2014, 02:03:39 pm
I noticed yesterday that the Seville oranges have appeared in Waitrose. The pretentious buggers have packaged them in an attractive (!?) cubic cardboard box, rather than leaving them loose like they do for most of their oranges. It seems to me that Seville oranges always look a lot scruffier than other varieties. £2.49 a kilo. Far too much. When the price comes down I shall buy some.

Fatters! I shall send you a text when I see them at a lower price.

Those cardboard boxes were for the orgasmic ones, and I succumbed, making with 2kg of oranges. They are indeed excellent, much better than the average scrappy ones. I decided against using the preserving sugar (ok, I did use 1Kg, but for the rest upended all manner of dem, soft brown etc. Turned out the very best evah. Used a separate bag for the pips and the pulp.

ETA: Separation of pips to get maximum pectin without getting lost in the pith, tried taking the pith out once, but the flavour was so anodyne, it needs the bitter flavour. This incarnation has set like a good'un.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 January, 2014, 11:33:39 pm
The forecast for Sunday is pretty manky so I think I will try to track down some cheap oranges tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 January, 2014, 12:42:31 pm
No cheap oranges but I used a batch from the freezer and made 11 pots whilst multi-tasking with the Tax Man.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Canardly on 08 September, 2014, 08:23:39 pm
Have you/will you make a batch this year WB? If so can I request a jar?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 September, 2014, 09:47:20 pm
I will certainly do so at some stage. We've got a lot of oranges in the freezer, but for one reason or another we don't seem to have ben getting through the marmalade. It must be my diet...

I generally wait for a really miserable wet cold day: you need the gas on for hours and it keeps the house warm. I find it really does take the best part of 12 hours to do the entire job. It's the sort of thing I start about 10 am and I'm probably tightening up the lids on the jars late in the evening. I found myself cutting up oranges last year on a filthy wet Saturday when there were back-to-back rugby internationals on the telly.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 November, 2014, 11:07:45 pm
I made a batch yesterday.

Some of the oranges have been in the freezer for quite some time and seemed to have shrunk. That doesn't appear to have mattered. I produced 12 pots of lovely dark stuff. As usual, I used Bonne Maman jars and in each one the vacuum button was sucked in with a satisfying "toink" as the jars cooled.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 November, 2014, 05:05:17 pm
Lousy weather today, so another batch is currently on the boil. I'm now completely out of Seville oranges for the first time for many years. Never mind - I'll buy a load more in January!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 November, 2014, 08:20:06 am
18 more pots, a couple of which weren't completely full, so consectuve Sundays have seen me making a quarter of a hundredweight of Good Stuff.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 24 November, 2014, 05:03:47 pm
Please remind us how you ensure a good set?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 24 November, 2014, 07:44:36 pm
Please remind us how you ensure a good set?

Thanks.

Is that a problem? I am only familiar with jam and have never had a problem using jam sugar and boiling till jammy.
I would have thought there's enough pectin in peel to ensure setting.

Setting is assisted by
1) Acidic preserve - add lemon juice if needed
2) low water content & early caramelisation - 'boil till jammy'
2) pectin - peel has plenty but otherwise add pectin from jam sugar, Certo pectin or some Bramley apple flesh.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 25 November, 2014, 04:37:51 am
Blimey, I had forgotten the lemon juice bit and also I should have realized insufficient boiling.

Thanks
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 25 November, 2014, 03:20:00 pm
You could use a jam thermometer (if you don't mind cleaning it afterwards).

As the water boils off and the sugar starts to caramelise, the boiling point increases.

Boiling jam is hotter than water and its syrupy nature reduces evaporative cooling.

HOT JAM CAN CAUSE BAD BURNS!

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: matthew on 25 November, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
Please remind us how you ensure a good set?

Thanks.

Is that a problem? I am only familiar with jam and have never had a problem using jam sugar and boiling till jammy.
I would have thought there's enough pectin in peel to ensure setting.

Setting is assisted by
1) Acidic preserve - add lemon juice if needed
2) low water content & early caramelisation - 'boil till jammy'
2) pectin - peel has plenty but otherwise add pectin from jam sugar, Certo pectin or some Bramley apple flesh.

4) Calcium, for some reason I didn't have time to fully investigate Calcium is known to have the effect of enhancing the set of pectin. Therefore most cheaper commercial jams and marmalades use an acidity regulator like calcium phosphate.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 November, 2014, 11:16:09 am
I boil it for a long time until it sets. This was about 5 hours with the last lot.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 26 November, 2014, 01:22:43 pm
Boy am I glad I do my jam in the microwave!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 26 November, 2014, 07:08:35 pm
And I now understand why I have been struggling with setting times. The recipe I was following talked of one hour boiling. I was using Thai oranges which clearly require a longer time. Next time my microwave oven will do the work.
Slightly off topic, I do make Indian style mango chutney quite regularly which needs simmering for at least one hour. I eat it with curries mainly - rather nice with lots of spices in it and easy to make.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 26 November, 2014, 07:42:39 pm
Lovely thing about microwave preserves is adding no water and boiling for notverylong.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 27 November, 2014, 05:29:47 pm
Agreed. My previous micro oven was very small and yet I managed to cook many things with it, still do but with a much larger Samsung now I can try Marmalade again. I have reviewed the recipes and there is no mention of setting times from which I can only conclude that they do not expect it to reach setting point. Will try again using the same recipes but with different cooking times
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 28 November, 2014, 12:22:22 am
It's a question of boiling off enough water/caramelising to the correct degree. There are too many variables to be prescriptive about timing.
You might be best with a jam thermometer.
The marmalade will set after sufficient boiling, whatever that is.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 28 November, 2014, 04:09:17 am
Understood. I have now found another simple recipe which suggests suitable boiling times. It includes using lemon also, so I have decided to give that recipe a try. At least I now have a bench mark from which to start.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fred the great on 02 December, 2014, 05:52:46 pm
Update. I have done more Internet searching and was horrified at the tales of disaster which I read.  I was baffled  by the many and variable boiling times that were being quoted  and I decided to start with a lower number as I have boiled food in the microwave many times.

So, armed with my new recipe, about 4 small oranges, 1 lime in lieu of lemon plus sugar but no water i got the microwave dish ready and started boiling for 6 minutes on 850 watts, tested it and there appeared to be a slight set already started, but wasn't sure? Hence, I boiled it again for 3 minutes to make doubly sure - YES!we have arrived.This recipe and method only  needs fine tuning for next time, tasted very nice and set beautifully. Thanks Helli, I think your magic word lemon did the trick  or lime for me as it is easier to buy and very cheap..
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 02 December, 2014, 06:35:49 pm
 :) :) :)

Remember, I am the laziest of lazy cooks!
A bit of SCIENCE helps.

I really don't think being prescriptive re boiling times is helpful; there are far too many variables.
Boiling sugar is EVIL and needs constant vigilance.

Microwave preserves are great for the lazy cook...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2015, 07:29:55 pm
On Wednesday I bought about 9.5 lb of Seville oranges, which are in the freezer awaiting the right moment. That's enough for 3 batches, which should see me through the year. They were £1.70-odd a kilo. I might buy some more if I see any that are cheaper. The lowest price I have seen in Waitrose was £1.85.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 06 February, 2015, 07:42:31 pm
I did a couple of batches of their orgasmic ones the other week, but turned it off too soon, and it really didn't set. Ended up having a second go, although much now seems to be ok, I may have a couple of pots of orange slightly spready toffee  - I haven't dared try those yet :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 06 February, 2015, 08:39:33 pm
I think that I am going to be a bit busy tomorrow.


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/16273201317_d58a577640_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 07 February, 2015, 10:15:07 am
My Dad is 87, with more hair than me. I popped round to see him the other day. "Are you making marmalade this year? "
"I've just made 27 pounds. I'll be doing 7 pounds of my three fruit hand cut too." I think he's got the hang of it.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 07 February, 2015, 06:24:03 pm
First batch using about half the fruit is now in jars.  The rest will probably have to wait until Monday.

Oranges were acquired by my mother who was only after 4-5 lb.  I have just been told that they were priced at 69p/lb but as the greengrocer was keen to shift his last tray she got them for £3 for about 12lb.  They even carried the tray to the car which was parked a couple of minutes walk away.  As usual there was the odd scabby one and one or two were a bit past their best but seemed to me to be a pretty good bargain as long as I don't charge for my time or gas.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 28 April, 2015, 08:39:51 am
Be careful out there people, this marmalade making business can be dangerous:

Doctors had to drill through her nose (http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/12916508.She_made_so_much_marmalade_that_doctors_had_to_drill_through_her_nose___Award_winning_preserve_maker_has_to_quit__and_takes_up_popcorn_instead/)

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 28 April, 2015, 09:16:05 am
That's a standard surgical approach to chronic sinus trouble.
Even in Wetwang.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 05 January, 2016, 11:48:09 am
I have discovered that after a few years with almost exclusively my own marmalade, Frank Cooper's (which I used to think of as OK) is all a bit carp.

Sightings of the new season oranges are eagerly awaited.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 09 January, 2016, 02:00:56 pm
Marmelizing is occurring to 2 kg of most excellent waitrose orgasming oranges chez ham right now.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2016, 11:19:21 am
I have just purchased 2kg of Waitrose Seville oranges for £1.98. They are now in the freezer. I was on my bike and only had room for the 2kg in my saddlebag. I will be going back later. "Display until 12th Jan" it said. There were quite a few boxes left.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: trekker12 on 12 January, 2016, 01:29:10 pm
Blimey, I paid nearly double that for 5lb (2.2kg) at the nearby greengrocers. So much for supporting local shopkeepers!

Oh well the marmalade will be good.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2016, 11:07:39 pm
I returned later in the car and all the discounted boxes had disappeared. There were lots, so I wondered if they took them away so that the new, full price stock could be displayed. Some of that has a "Display until 13th January" on it, but I don't think I can be bothered to go back in the morning.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2016, 06:03:13 pm
A cauldron full of orange soup is bubbling away nicely.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2016, 11:21:06 pm
And the results!

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12400942_1545657002420170_564842718121094328_n.jpg?oh=2f1d708f4e29c3a4db61810fe112ab06&oe=57459F88)

So far, 9 out of the 11 jar-top "buttons" have clicked down. I don't think the other two are going to now.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: trekker12 on 15 January, 2016, 01:39:22 pm
I'm curious about the science behind the jar lids popping down. We have a similar hit rate on our jams, chutneys, marmalade etc.

Presumably as the air in the jar cools it decreases in volume causing a vacuum which sucks the flexible bit of the lid down. However, if I'm right does that mean the lids not being sucked down are not sealed fully and therefore nasty bugs can get into my freshly sterilised jars? Should we open these ones first?

Perhaps this should go in the knowledge?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 15 January, 2016, 02:24:12 pm
Presumably as the air in the jar cools it decreases in volume causing a vacuum which sucks the flexible bit of the lid down. However, if I'm right does that mean the lids not being sucked down are not sealed fully and therefore nasty bugs can get into my freshly sterilised jars? Should we open these ones first?

Perhaps this should go in the knowledge?

Yes.
But....
Jams get mouldy, and crystallise but it's pretty obvious- I just bin that spoonful. Any bacteria that can survive in that much sugar isn't going to multiply in your gut.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 15 January, 2016, 03:09:26 pm
My Ikea kilners rarely actually seal (and some of the real ones don't either), and I aten't ded yet.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 15 January, 2016, 04:21:20 pm
If the lids 'pop' in, there's less (but still some) oxygen to feed any bugs/moulds.

Popping in enhances the effectiveness of the jar seal.

Jam jars ought to be sealed as long as possible to keep bugs and moist air out. Moist air will dilute a preserve and faciltate the growth of any moulds.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2016, 11:05:38 am
I have observed an interesting phenomenon with the latest batch, made last weekend.

10 of the 12 pots' buttons were sucked down, but I have noticed that when the central heating comes on, they pop up again! As the room gets colder after the heating goes off, so they get sucked in again.

I have inadvertently made an orange-flavoured barometer!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 18 November, 2016, 01:03:53 pm
Suspect thermometer more than barometer.
I don't think the atmospheric pressure in the house will vary much as it warms (and your house is not pressure sealed from the cold exterior).
The volume of gas in the space above the marmalade will increase as the temperature rises.
Remember Boyle's Law and Charles' Law?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2016, 06:30:49 pm
Given that I am currently experimenting with a refined-sugar-and-dairy-free diet, I decided to try making some marmalade with muscovado sugar instead. I don't think it's going to be a success. Firstly, my impression when boiling up the broth is that there are just too many very strong flavours in play. Secondly, it appears that muscovado has too much in the way of impurities in it and that they are molten at high temperatures. I think that there may be a problem getting this stuff to set.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2016, 08:42:26 pm
Well, the marmalade is in jars. It didn't seem to be setting as readily as the standard recipe and I was afraid of it caramelising too much, so I jarred it. Dez gave it a very enthusiastic walrus of approval.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: madcow on 23 November, 2016, 06:52:21 pm
Mrs. M has just made ONION marmalade. It needed a bit more sugar than was stated in the recipe and hence a bit more boiling ,but the result is as good as the shop stuff,so that's a result IMHO.
I suspect that the above is heresy given that every contribution so far has been about citrus based preserves.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: contango on 09 December, 2016, 05:26:02 am
Given that I am currently experimenting with a refined-sugar-and-dairy-free diet, I decided to try making some marmalade with muscovado sugar instead. I don't think it's going to be a success. Firstly, my impression when boiling up the broth is that there are just too many very strong flavours in play. Secondly, it appears that muscovado has too much in the way of impurities in it and that they are molten at high temperatures. I think that there may be a problem getting this stuff to set.

Seville oranges and muscovado sugar sounds truly awesome.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 January, 2017, 03:30:16 pm
I noticed over a week ago that Waitrose have Seville oranges in stock. Actually, they were labelled something like "marmalade oranges from Seville" so whether there is some discrepancy over the precise variety, I don't know. Seems a bit early to me. I probably won't be buying any this year because I have load in the freezer from previous years and my new-fangled no-sugar diet means that I haven't had a marmalade butty for more than 2 months.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Winnie the Pooh on 07 January, 2017, 06:26:31 pm
Today I have quince cheese :D. It is popular in Portugal, Spain and in the south of France and actually not cheese at all but marmalade made from quince. It’s dark red, very sweet and a bit astringent. I used to like it at my childhood in the French Riviera where my parents used to spend holidays. The landscape and the local food seemed out of this world (to get an idea see for example here https://tranio.com/france/cote_d_azur/ ).
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 February, 2017, 09:54:31 am
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/future-less-bright-orange-marmalade

Very good piece! None of my children is under 28, but the youngest is the only one of them who does not like marmalade. A frisson of anticipation goes around the family whenever I make a batch.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 28 February, 2017, 09:42:37 pm
Though we are around twice 28, we seem to have stopped eating any preserves, aside from occasional RED jam in my rice pudding.
My jam sugar remains years old, untouched in the kitchen cupboard, as do several jars of jam and Rose's Lime Marmalade.

We no longer have toast & preserves for breakfast at home.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 February, 2017, 10:21:31 pm
I am having far less than I was, as I have mostly cut out refined sugar, but there are some things without which life would not be worth living. Good marmalade is one of these. I think I have had no more than 5 slices of bread with marmalade in the past 4 months or so.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: ElyDave on 28 February, 2017, 11:22:28 pm
My jar of marmalade, Frank Coopers Thick Cut Oxford, is now years old, but still viable. Being T1 these days I very rarely eat it, but my other half got very short shrift when she suggested binning it last week.

Some standards must be maintained.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Canardly on 08 March, 2017, 10:21:09 pm
Wow's marmalade is seriously good and especially the version with molasses and Seville oranges. Nom nom. Today's Youf do not know what they are missing. There is some seriously good produce made within these walls.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tigerrr on 12 March, 2017, 07:22:10 am
I love dark, heavy, bitter lumpy marmalade. The best I know comes from Ludlow food centre where they make their own, but it is prohibitively expensive to get sent to London. Can anyone recommend a source for really lush marmalade London way?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 12 March, 2017, 07:45:03 am
Aside from the store cupboards chez Wow & myself, I would recommend the Duchy Originals  (http://www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317--70795-Duchy+Originals+organic+seville+orange+marmalade+thick+cut), if I ever run out that's the one I buy.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 December, 2017, 12:36:58 am
Another 17 pots of wonderful marmalade, destined for (mostly) my nearest and dearest. A pot of top quality home-made marmalade is worth any number of Christmas cards.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Jakob W on 07 December, 2017, 10:16:38 am
Which reminds me I should go and see if the greengrocer's got any Sevilles in...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: SteveC on 07 December, 2017, 02:07:05 pm
Didn’t see any until February last winter.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 08 December, 2017, 07:31:57 am
If any of you don't make your own and happen to be there Castle Howard's Lime and Elderflower marmalade is a thing of wonder. Only sold at the shop in their stables so far as I know though.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: SteveC on 06 January, 2018, 04:11:17 pm
Which reminds me I should go and see if the greengrocer's got any Sevilles in...
Our local Waitrose has the boxes of 'marmalade oranges' back. Three, along with two bags of lemons (which were half price) are now sitting in my kitchen. I know what I will be doing in the morning.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 07 January, 2018, 11:54:32 am
If any of you don't make your own and happen to be there Castle Howard's Lime and Elderflower marmalade is a thing of wonder. Only sold at the shop in their stables so far as I know though.

We were there again last week and I tried to buy some more. Unfortunate it seems the lady who made it has retired and they had sold the last jar :(
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 January, 2018, 12:46:48 pm
Seville oranges were on sale in Waitrose the other day. £2.79 a kilo. They can stay there at that price.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 March, 2018, 12:04:23 am
I didn't buy any Seville oranges this year, but will rely on frozen stocks from previous years. I just filled 11 jars with hot marmalade. It's luscious!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 18 March, 2018, 10:32:32 am
I saw this in Lakeland the other week and was intrigued.....
http://www.lakeland.co.uk/15261/Home-Cook-Marmalade---Prepared-Seville-Oranges-Thick-Cut-850g
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 March, 2018, 02:47:41 pm
I saw this in Lakeland the other week and was intrigued.....
http://www.lakeland.co.uk/15261/Home-Cook-Marmalade---Prepared-Seville-Oranges-Thick-Cut-850g

I have, once, used an equivalent. "Mamade" I think it was called. The claim was that the tin contained nothing but shredded Seville oranges but the resultant marmalade was much blander than the stuff I get when I start with the whole fruit.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 18 March, 2018, 05:17:12 pm
I need a recommendation for a really good bitter marmalade. Most of the commercial ones are too sweet. I had found a great one locally from a small producer but they have ceased production (retired).
Currently working my way through  all the brands but keep getting disappointed.  Next year I will make my own I think.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 13 April, 2018, 01:27:48 pm
Waitrose Duchy Organic is my favourite, but the stuff I make is closer to achieve proper bitterness, I boil any scraped off pith in a separate muslin wrap, doing it together with the pips I find I don't get sufficient pectin out.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: rafletcher on 13 April, 2018, 01:32:22 pm
We had to resort to gelatine this year to get a semi-set. Still miles better than anything bought.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 14 April, 2018, 11:45:07 am
I didn't ask Lynn how she made the marmalade we had for breakfast today but it was rather good...
www.cambrianway.com
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 17 April, 2018, 10:34:56 pm
we made bergamot marmalade this year which is amazing!  Tart but undertone of sweetness with the bergamot top note.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 17 April, 2018, 10:41:17 pm
OK, sounds interesting, what did you do? My bergamot was all dead by Jan. Dried it? How much?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Jakob W on 11 January, 2019, 03:22:50 pm
Saw the suggestion today from a friend on Facebook that along with her regular plain and whisky marmalades she'd also made Campari marmalade. I am now minded to try this, as well as Aperol marmalade...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Morat on 26 January, 2019, 02:19:05 pm
Sevilles have been in a week! I've just bought two dozen which should mean a triple batch of ~40lbs as long as I don't stuff it up.

Now, to find the correct blade for the magimix....it should be in the garage _somewhere_
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: SteveC on 26 January, 2019, 02:47:26 pm
The marmalade I make is the predecessor of the Keiller invention of the nineteenth century. He worked out you could make it thin enough to spread whereas before it was cooked for longer to make sweets you could pick up with your fingers and eat. We use this sweetmeat marmalade as part of our re-enacting display. So, seeing the Seville oranges are about, MrsC buys 2kg before we check on stocks. Last year's marmalade is pretty well untouched, so we don't need any more of that.
However, we also make 'suckets' (a generic seventeenth century term for sweetmeats) and one recipe is for a wet-sucket of orange pills (C16 spelling is wonderful). These are pieces of orange or lemon peel cooked in syrup, much like stem ginger. So I will be doing some of those later. At the moment I'm in the process of making some candied peel, also with the Sevilles. This is a first time, so I've no idea how it will turn out.
It's all oranges and sugar though.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 27 January, 2019, 07:27:29 am

Now, to find the correct blade for the magimix....it should be in the garage _somewhere_

There's a thing - people's options for cutting the peel. I'd not use the magimix myself as it would result in too thin, too much hacked to pieces peel. My preferred method is to do it one orange-worth at a time. I scrape out any of the skin, leaving pith as I like it bitter (and with the magimix juicer doing a better job reaming than by hand, that was much easier this year). I cut the halves into quarters and stack them up, four together.   I then use a kitchen knife to chop them, along the "rugby ball" shape starting at the pointy bit. Any alternatives?

Another small discovery was that Laphroaig Quarter Cask (which I picked up half price in Waitrose, along with a number of other slightly recherche malts like Talisker Storm, lord knows why but I wasn't complaining) is absolutely perfect for marmalade and will be reserved for it in future. I wasn't that impressed with it as a whisky, like Laphroaig only more so, but the combination is nigh on divine.

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Morat on 02 February, 2019, 03:40:02 pm
I applaud your attention to detail but I don't have a patience to cut it by hand. I did find the blade and it's a very wide spaced one because I also like chunky peel. You're right though, you do end up with quite a few small pieces in each jar as well as the segments but I can live with it.

I've got a new Jam thermometer. The rather funky Lakeland digital thermometer/spatula one took a trip through the dishwasher by mistake so it has been replaced by a bare bones Kilner branded analogue dial type thing. It doesn't seem to move very smoothly but it does the job. It seems to correlate pretty well with the results here:
https://www.kitchenhealssoul.com/making-marmalade-cooking-temperatures-the-jam-setting-point/

I went to 220F which turned out slightly lighter than last year's batch but nicely fruity.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulF on 02 February, 2019, 05:10:07 pm
Just made mine, think it might be overcooked :(
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 02 February, 2019, 05:47:08 pm
Cut it into cubes...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: SteveC on 02 February, 2019, 07:56:16 pm
Cut it into cubes...
See my post further up!

(But if it's overcooked, so burnt rather than just overset, I can't help, I'm afraid)
Title: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 03 February, 2019, 11:19:06 am
Was in Morrisons the other day and they had Seville oranges so on an impulse I bought two kilos. Made a batch of marmalade yesterday. Didn’t have enough preserving sugar so made it up with muscovado. Added the juice of three lemons and decided I didn’t want to waste the skins so chopped them up and added them to the oranges.

Very happy with the results. The muscovado gives it a rich, dark colour and slightly treacly flavour, and the lemons add a nice tanginess.

Using the thermapen is a good way to avoid overcooking - off the heat at exactly 105°C, perfect set.

Filled 12 jars, which should keep me going for a while, though I’ve already made good inroads into the first jar this morning for testing purposes.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulF on 03 February, 2019, 12:02:47 pm
Just made mine, think it might be overcooked :(

Well it ended up OKish. Tastes fine, the peel perhaps a bit too chewy but quite thick to spread.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2019, 10:55:02 am
It is wet, cold and miserable today, so a good day for making marmalade. It's a shame that there's no rugby to watch.

I have discovered that we possess a plastic measuring jug with gradations on it which claim that a quart is 32 flozzes. This, of course, is bollocks, but it is exacerbated by the fact that 32 flozzes of water, when weighed, demonstrate that this jug isn't even fit to measure inferior US quarts.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 04 February, 2019, 12:18:44 pm
The gradations on our Pyrex 'measuring' jug seem to be in different places on its opposite sides.

Matters little for custard and gravy mix but...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2019, 12:40:55 pm
One of the reasons I tend to use the scales for measuring liquids.* It may not be perfectly accurate but it's likely to be more accurate than the graded measuring jug.


*especially when the recipe calls for alcoholic liquids ;)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: rafletcher on 04 February, 2019, 12:54:58 pm
Meh, I can't think any recipe, especially for jams, is going to be that sensitive to small variations in quantities.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 04 February, 2019, 01:04:29 pm
Pastry.

Oh, and I did discover why I've been having such problems setting in years gone by, by dint of pressing my digital thermometer into service. Both. Yes, both my jam making thermometers over read by about 3 degrees. When will I see jam again, ooo-ooo?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 04 February, 2019, 02:52:16 pm
Meh, I can't think any recipe, especially for jams, is going to be that sensitive to small variations in quantities.

I think water content is fairly critical but I don't add any and just microwave till jammy...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 13 January, 2020, 11:17:47 pm
Thread revival - it's that time of year.

When we cleared the former parental home I foundn, pinned up in the kitche, Dad's recipe for pressure cooked marmalade. I took it, along with the suspiciously domed bottom Prestige 75 pressure cooker and the Big Stoneware Jars he used to put a year's supply of marmalade into. The jars came from Smallfield hospital, where mum was a Crool Nurse. I try not to think what their original purpose was.

Anyway, this evening I  had a crack of making my first batch of marmalade.  The hardest part was translating the old man's hieroglyphics into English. It's now in jars, cooling. I used a jam thermometer so it should set ok. I'll find out in the morning.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2020, 12:12:58 am
I haven't bought any oranges this year yet. They are in Waitrose - at £2.79 a kilo. I will probably nip out to a local greengrocers where I expect them to be much cheaper. I've still got 2 or 3 kilos in the freezer from last year, just waiting to be turned into marmalade. I made some just before Christmas so I don't need to do any just yet.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: rafletcher on 14 January, 2020, 11:07:15 am
Thread revival - it's that time of year.

When we cleared the former parental home I foundn, pinned up in the kitche, Dad's recipe for pressure cooked marmalade. I took it, along with the suspiciously domed bottom Prestige 75 pressure cooker and the Big Stoneware Jars he used to put a year's supply of marmalade into. The jars came from Smallfield hospital, where mum was a Crool Nurse. I try not to think what their original purpose was.

Anyway, this evening I  had a crack of making my first batch of marmalade.  The hardest part was translating the old man's hieroglyphics into English. It's now in jars, cooling. I used a jam thermometer so it should set ok. I'll find out in the morning.

I bought our Sevilles at the weekend.  I use a Dan Lepard "recipe" from the BBC Food website, which involves pressure cooking, albeit the already shredded peel. It worked really well last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/medium-cut_seville_70291

As for set, I always test the set on a saucer that's been in the freezer for a while. 

That'll be Friday/Saturdays job.


Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 June, 2020, 12:49:56 am
I relieved the freezer of 3lb oranges today and made just over 11lb marmalade. It's up to its usual standard!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 11 June, 2020, 11:28:26 am
Arses. I finished the last of my 2020 batch a couple of days ago and don't have the luxury of having another 3lb of oranges in the freezer so I have had to buy a jar of ready-made stuff.  :(

Tbh, my last batch of marmalade wasn't that good anyway - for some reason, when making it, I got the idea it into my head that the setting point was 120ºC rather than 105ºC, so kept the heat up until I eventually realised it was never going to reach 120ºC, but by that time it was over-reduced... Ironically, I could probably have got another few jars worth out of it if I hadn't cocked up. Tasted OK, just a bit thick and intense, and the peel was a bit tough.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 11 June, 2020, 11:50:38 am
I opened a new jar of the 2020 home-made this morning (plenty left, should last pretty much to December) - a little odd that it's a bit runnier than usual?   

Grilling Mrs robgul (the manufacturer) on the matter she couldn't understand why . . . 4 batches were made (1 of Nigel Slater's recipe and 3 of another) so we'll monitor to try and fathom why.

Slight problem for next season is that a new jam pan will be required - in the past the aluminium pan has worked on a gas hob . . . we now have induction so a steel pan will be necessary  (and before anyone suggests it, the "steel plate converters" don't work)

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 11 June, 2020, 06:24:22 pm
Think I might make another Lime Marmalade Sauce for chicken, with the other jar of Rose's that's been in the cupboard for 8 years...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 June, 2020, 10:07:52 pm
I opened a new jar of the 2020 home-made this morning (plenty left, should last pretty much to December) - a little odd that it's a bit runnier than usual?   

Grilling Mrs robgul (the manufacturer) on the matter she couldn't understand why . . . 4 batches were made (1 of Nigel Slater's recipe and 3 of another) so we'll monitor to try and fathom why.

Slight problem for next season is that a new jam pan will be required - in the past the aluminium pan has worked on a gas hob . . . we now have induction so a steel pan will be necessary  (and before anyone suggests it, the "steel plate converters" don't work)

Rob

My mother's aluminium preserving pan has gone to my daughter. She idolised "Grandma Beckie" and is always pleased to receive her heirlooms. We already had a stainless steel pan suitable for the induction hob which we bought probably about 18 years ago with a lot of other matching pans. It works perfectly well, but I'm a little suspicious of the welds on the handle. they look quite delicate and we had one break on on of the saucepan lids once. I hate to think what the result might be with the pan containing almost 12lb scalding marmalade, should one of the handles part company rom the body of the pan.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 14 June, 2020, 11:05:25 am
I opened a new jar of the 2020 home-made this morning (plenty left, should last pretty much to December) - a little odd that it's a bit runnier than usual?   

Grilling Mrs robgul (the manufacturer) on the matter she couldn't understand why . . . 4 batches were made (1 of Nigel Slater's recipe and 3 of another) so we'll monitor to try and fathom why.

Slight problem for next season is that a new jam pan will be required - in the past the aluminium pan has worked on a gas hob . . . we now have induction so a steel pan will be necessary  (and before anyone suggests it, the "steel plate converters" don't work)

Rob

My mother's aluminium preserving pan has gone to my daughter. She idolised "Grandma Beckie" and is always pleased to receive her heirlooms. We already had a stainless steel pan suitable for the induction hob which we bought probably about 18 years ago with a lot of other matching pans. It works perfectly well, but I'm a little suspicious of the welds on the handle. they look quite delicate and we had one break on on of the saucepan lids once. I hate to think what the result might be with the pan containing almost 12lb scalding marmalade, should one of the handles part company rom the body of the pan.

One of my daughters has bagged the aluminium pan (she's also asked for the Kitchen Aid mixer to be listed for her in our wills!!)

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 04 July, 2020, 09:52:19 am
My sister has just sent me a picture of some three fruit marmalade she has made. "Normal" oranges plus grapefruit and something else, the grapefruit doing bitter duties that Seville oranges do in regular maramlade.  Nothing special I thought. Except the oranges came from a tree in her garden.  FFS.

(She is in Sydney, where such things are possible)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 04 July, 2020, 12:07:39 pm
Lemons the third fruit? My sister had grapefruit and lemon trees in her last Sydney house.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 04 July, 2020, 01:00:34 pm
Yes. Jeanette Winterson Marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 July, 2020, 01:26:24 pm
If Waitrose don't sell Kumquat Marmalade they're missing a big opportunity ;)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 July, 2020, 10:08:39 am
I just searched the WR site for "kumquat" and it suggested a whole variety of things from quail's eggs to crumpets... but no kumquat marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 23 July, 2020, 07:59:08 am
I wonder if the massed ranks of yacf marmalade makers may have any ideas ....

Mrs robgul made copious quantities back at the start of the year - using oranges from Waitrose, Aldi and Abel & Cole (veg box people) to a couple of different recipes.   All went to plan, it set, loaded ito normal sized jars etc. - made enough to, usually, last the year of toast and marmalade (one slice) for breakfast every day.

BUT when we come to use it the set has gone - it's still perfectly edible but is quite watery/syrupy.  Storage is in a cool pantry.

Any thoughts on the reason?

Thanks

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 July, 2020, 09:11:54 am
Have you managed to seal the jars?

I use "Bonne Maman" style jars as I find them the easiest to fill as their tops are wide. When the marmalade is hot, I make a point of tightening the lids as much as possible. You will need to wear rubber gloves as the jars are too hot to handle. Then the marmalade will vacuum-seal itself as it cools and moisture can't get in. As the jars are cooling you hear a series of satisfying "dink" noises as the vacuum button gets pushed down by air pressure. I reckon to get something like 80% success in the jars sealing themselves in this way.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 23 July, 2020, 09:30:03 am
Have you managed to seal the jars?

I use "Bonne Maman" style jars as I find them the easiest to fill as their tops are wide. When the marmalade is hot, I make a point of tightening the lids as much as possible. You will need to wear rubber gloves as the jars are too hot to handle. Then the marmalade will vacuum-seal itself as it cools and moisture can't get in. As the jars are cooling you hear a series of satisfying "dink" noises as the vacuum button gets pushed down by air pressure. I reckon to get something like 80% success in the jars sealing themselves in this way.

Cook (!) also uses Bonne Maman jars - some have been in use for 10+ years - and yes the lids do get a good tighten down. Not noticed the "pop" setting itself.   Some of the jars appear set when they are opened for consumption but "un-set" quite quickly ... we've tried keeping the current jar in the fridge or not in the fridge ... no real difference.

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 23 July, 2020, 09:31:34 am
Bonne Maman deliberately make their jars reusable. Its been part of their company sales speel for years.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 23 July, 2020, 09:32:16 am
I still use old school cellophane circles and elastic bands. Partly because I know you need new lids each time and I resent the cost. I also have a jam funnel so any jar will do.


Watery usually means that it wasn't really set properly in the first place, assuming you did have a clean seal.

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 July, 2020, 09:53:31 am
I have never noticed my marmalade going runny, whether the jar seals itself or not. I've noticed that the BM brand raspberry jam in our fridge tends to deliquesce quite rapidly - a jar of that stuff rarely lasts a week in our house and by the end of the week there's a little fluid around the jelly. I wonder whether there's something in the recipe which is causing it? All I put in my marmalade is 3lb Seville oranges, 2 lemons, 6lb sugar and 4 pints water.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2020, 05:21:26 pm
If anything, my old jams (I don't do marmalade) are rock solid.

This seems like a lot of water to me. I'm no food scientist but my understanding is that preserves need an acidic pH, a VERY high sugar content and pectin to set.

I don't know if the pectin can somehow fail.

(My own microwave jams have no added water & are jus equal weights of jam sugar and fruit, microwaved in Pyrex till jammy.)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 23 July, 2020, 06:58:48 pm
I've noticed that the BM brand raspberry jam in our fridge tends to deliquesce quite rapidly - a jar of that stuff rarely lasts a week in our house and by the end of the week there's a little fluid around the jelly. I wonder whether there's something in the recipe which is causing it?

French "jam" typically doesn't have as much sugar in it as British jam. The really solid jelly like set is a British thing.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2020, 07:05:59 pm
I think the preserves that set solid are around 65-70% sugar by weight.

Preserves with less sugar tend to be runny and get mouldy.

Sugar crystallises out if there's too much.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 23 July, 2020, 07:46:06 pm
Jury still seems undecided - cook says she's going to add separate pectin next year (in the past she's relied on the fruit having it??)

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2020, 07:57:21 pm
I would have thought there was a lot in citrus peel but need to check this.

Jam sugar contains added pectin but is quite pricy.

I never finished the Certo I bought.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 23 July, 2020, 08:01:18 pm
I would have thought there was a lot in citrus peel but need to check this.

Jam sugar contains added pectin but is quite pricy.

I never finished the Certo I bought.

. . . . the key may well be the pectin content in the peel - I understand you can buy it and add it as another ingredient, presumably to supplement the fruit's contribution.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 23 July, 2020, 08:15:26 pm
Reading the Wikipedia article on pectin, it seems orange peel is 30% pectin, which is pretty huge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectin)
I suspect too much water/not enough sugar/boiling.

Preserves need to be acidic to set but you've added lemon juice.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 24 July, 2020, 07:50:47 am
UPDATE:  New jar was opened yesterday - pretty much set - decided to keep it in the fridge rather than the pantry (we had thought that refrigeration had been causing the un-setting?) - still pretty firm this morning.   

BUT of course it could just be another making batch, the labelling and coding system is a bit vague  "Maramalade 2020" doesn't reveal much detail!

Rob
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ginger Cat on 14 November, 2020, 11:24:29 am
I made marmalade with graprfruit (50% ruby 50% pink) a couple weeks ago.

Over the summer I practiced making jam- started in response to a glut of allotment fruit (raspberries & rhubarb) and having gotten into jam-making a bit, decided to try marmalade. I got the recipe from my "National Trust Book of Jam"- a rather excellent little tome.

Whilst making a double-quantity was in hindsight not that wise (maslin pan brimmed when boiling) it worked OK in the end- just the fast boil took longer. (I did a pectin test on the juice, it was not great so I added a bit).

The result surprised me- I didn't realise marmalade could be this sticky, bitter, sweet and flavoursome all at once.

Will be looking out for Seville oranges in the new year.........

GC
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ginger Cat on 28 December, 2020, 01:55:03 pm
Calling all marmalade makers.............

...... looks like Waitrose has this years Seville oranges in stock..................... https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/waitrose-cooks-ingredients-seville-oranges/088451-45393-45394

On "2 for 3" offer too. 3 boxes added to the delivery order due to arrive tomorrow afternoon.....................

GC
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 29 December, 2020, 12:13:04 am
Calling all marmalade makers.............

...... looks like Waitrose has this years Seville oranges in stock.....................

Damn, if only I'd seen this before I went to Waitrose this afternoon.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ginger Cat on 29 December, 2020, 07:29:56 pm
3 boxes arrived. Just over a kilo in each box. 2 boxes-worth in the freezer.........

Nice and fresh they are.

GC
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 December, 2020, 11:34:34 pm
3 boxes arrived. Just over a kilo in each box. 2 boxes-worth in the freezer.........

Nice and fresh they are.

GC

Same for me. they had a 3 for 2 offer on.

There is a difference: I put all 3 boxes in the freezer to sit with last year's which I have yet to use...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2021, 10:22:02 pm
The forecast for tomorrow is for rain pretty well all day. First batch of marmalade for 2021 will be the Main Event.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 02 January, 2021, 10:57:24 pm
Mrs robgul has finished batch 3 with a further 6kg of oranges due here on Tuesday .... she may need to buy some more empty jars!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2021, 07:57:06 pm
I'm limited regarding the size of the pan we can use. I used to have an enormous preserving pan but it won't work on our induction hob, so I gave it to my daughter. The stainless steel one I use now is about 5 litres, so 3lb oranges according to the recipe I posted years ago at the start of this thread are the limit. Also, slicing up more than 3lb is such a tedious job that it drives me nuts. I did a double quantity once. Never again.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 03 January, 2021, 08:05:54 pm
I'm limited regarding the size of the pan we can use. I used to have an enormlus preserving pan but it won't work on our induction hob, so I gave it to my daughter. The stainless steel one I use now is about 5 litres, so 3lb oranges according to the recipe I posted years ago at the start of this thread are the limit. Also, slicing up more than 3lb is such a tedious job that it drives me nuts. I did a double quantity once. Never again.

There's a parallel here with the pans - we moved house and now have an induction range so the aluminium one doesn't work - that's gone to a daughter and we have a steel one.

Tried some of the latest manufacture this morning (the Nigel Slater recipe) - excellent - it was from about half a cupful that was "over" from jar filling - the new stock will be left to mature until we've finished the last 3 jars from the 2020 vintage.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ginger Cat on 09 January, 2021, 07:20:24 pm
I made marmalade last weekend, 1 box of Waitrose oranges makes 5 larger ("1lb" size) jars plus 1 small jar for the remains. That's using just over 1kg oranges, 2 kg sugar, 2L water and 4 tablespoons of lemon juice. No need to add pectin (whereas my ruby grapefruit marmalade needed extra pectin as the fruit has so few pips in- I test the fruit mix for pectin level and pH before adding sugar and adjust as required).

(Over Christmas I also made rhubarb jam as the late season rhubarb on my allotment was still going strong!)

Have another lot of "3 for 2" Marmalade Oranges on the list for delivery on Monday, hopefully they will be in stock. I might just get another 1 kg in the freezer and the rest I will marmalize.

I like marmalade and so do my friends so happy to have more Seville oranges. (I also bought a box of 20 jars- the "1lb" size- so no worries there).

The 1kg box of oranges is a good batch size, when I did grapefruit marmalade it I did a double batch and it was a bit dicely boiling it down.

I have a maslin pan, makes a bit difference. When I bought it in the summer, we were thinking about getting an induction cooker so I bought one which works on induction (stainless steel with encapsulated base).

The induction hob is much easier than the as hob was for marmalising (in fact all hob-top cooking).

Need to do a batch of bread tomorrow too......... wholemeal sourdough bread (made from Bacheldre Mill flour) with marmalade on........ nom nom

GC
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 09 January, 2021, 07:31:48 pm
Mrs robgul is in full marmalade making mode . . . . had to buy an extra supply of jars from Lakeland, delivered today (a lot of jam was made with fruit from the allotment and a vast consignment of cherries from a friend so jars were in short supply - all re-used of course)

2 more kg of oranges due with the veg box on Tuesday - that'll get us up to about 32 jars.   Also had 16kg of bread flour delivered from Shipton Mill this week - so we should be OK for toast and marmalade for a while.   

The marmalade should last us the year.  And this year is the first with an induction hob (new steel pan required) and, so I understand, more control over the heat.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 16 January, 2021, 08:37:15 am
We're expecting to look after Paddington Bear for a while . . . .

(http://www.cycle-endtoend.org.uk/images/z-Beewee-pix/marmalade.jpeg)


. . . I'm surprised Gregg Wallace hasn't been round to film for Inside The Factory  (I don't think I could stand his shouting and juvenile humour)

That's probably it for this year's production  - although I think there may be a couple of kilos of oranges in the freezer for an emergency batch should it be required.

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: drossall on 16 January, 2021, 08:07:56 pm
If Paddington should be unavailable, may I offer myself as a stand-in?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 16 January, 2021, 08:14:42 pm
If Paddington should be unavailable, may I offer myself as a stand-in?

Sorry, Knuckles* has already put in a request for any surplus.



* you will need to have seen Paddington II film to get the joke.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: drossall on 17 January, 2021, 12:00:29 am
I've seen the film, and I'm not going to argue with Knuckles :D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 17 January, 2021, 08:31:58 am
I've seen the film, and I'm not going to argue with Knuckles :D

.... we'll be taking extra care with the laundry, watching out for errant red socks   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ginger Cat on 17 January, 2021, 06:40:21 pm
I made a couple fo batches of marmalade this weekend.

Had another "3 for 2" boxes of Seville oranges from Waitrose during the week, froze 1kg (so have 3 x 1kg in the freezer) and marmalised the rest in 2 batches, I prefer dealing with 1kg-worth of oranges at a time. I did add a ruby grapefruit to the second batch to made up the weight (with making sure that the freezer portion has at least 1kg in and with the oranges being quite large, the last batch was under on weight).

That's 3kg of oranges marmalised all together, I didn't add coriander to this lot like I did to the first lot, so see how different it is (if at all).

Should keep me going for a bit anyway.

I'm still not sure whether I prefer ruby/pink grapefruit marmalade vs Seville orange marmalade, the grapefruit marmalade is more bitter (and needs added pectin unless you find the unlikely thing of very pippy grapefruits) but both are nice. I guess the only answer is to eat more of both and see if I can decide  :thumbsup:

GC
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 23 January, 2021, 04:31:39 pm
2kg of seville oranges, 4kg sugar, 4 lemons, 2.2l water. That assumes I've deciphered Dad's handwriting correctly.  Doubling up the recipe was almost a mistake - it only just fitted in the pan.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/t0otyZOrAJaFS7jB5mMQrLehQmrlnu7X-ufSy9t1NiUNUKv4J0F_X8gUJdEZ7zK1CpCsiF_ECszar2uKUc0s1aZhXv4IBBKPHDYrh7ctvWaebcmf3hhpJ0naAICuLS3Noy9j5ZFSFOQ=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WzdMqWMNb1v0aTyrI4b-HvafqBEQcq7r_awepu78cY4s4ZLQvjcjg-UPjPg_KeFTPndPL156t8is7qi062N7og9jsmsL0Cj7EimnCgqu-3jCyAGCCTRYdcPhUlZtOPx4LiCwXGGd7lc=w2400)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2021, 06:48:54 pm
I doubled up the recipe some years ago, using my mum's gigantic preserving pan. It took everything I could throw at it, but it was incredibly tedious, fine-slicing 6lb oranges. I swore never again and I've stuck to it.

Now we have an induction hob, I've given the preserving pan to my daughter and we use a stainless steel one.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: PaulF on 25 January, 2021, 07:00:05 pm
Made mine yesterday; for one pot I added a shot of whisky. Of course the whisky acted like anti-freeze and it didn’t set. :facepalm: Tasted great though!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 25 January, 2021, 07:36:31 pm
2kg of seville oranges, 4kg sugar, 4 lemons, 2.2l water. That assumes I've deciphered Dad's handwriting correctly.  Doubling up the recipe was almost a mistake - it only just fitted in the pan.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/t0otyZOrAJaFS7jB5mMQrLehQmrlnu7X-ufSy9t1NiUNUKv4J0F_X8gUJdEZ7zK1CpCsiF_ECszar2uKUc0s1aZhXv4IBBKPHDYrh7ctvWaebcmf3hhpJ0naAICuLS3Noy9j5ZFSFOQ=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WzdMqWMNb1v0aTyrI4b-HvafqBEQcq7r_awepu78cY4s4ZLQvjcjg-UPjPg_KeFTPndPL156t8is7qi062N7og9jsmsL0Cj7EimnCgqu-3jCyAGCCTRYdcPhUlZtOPx4LiCwXGGd7lc=w2400)

That looks like a pretty good yield from just 2kg of oranges  - I understand we've been getting about 5 jars per kg
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2021, 08:49:06 pm
My recipe (3lb oranges, 2 lemons, 6lb sugar and 4 pints water) yields 11 or 12 bonne maman jars, which when sold with raspberry jam in them are labelled as 370 grams.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 26 January, 2021, 11:13:49 pm
Did another batch tonight. Just 1kg oranges, 2kg sugar etc. Only one jar.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PHu3zEJtJCSgZBsg2LR4oxn58ihGp1fLXcWn8UvYDIe3jCZTr1UYNLZVdO74bQGeF1kkLhEIoGnMc-I7g-QVyrqwoU_DVJhGVUsjdMbcS4qrrUmaB3liUsAGBqMIAO46zWpjp9Pn608=w2400)

But it's rilly big.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 27 January, 2021, 08:04:14 am
A further, and final, batch was made here yesterday - an experimental making of 4 x 1lb jars using Blood oranges rather than Seville.  Early tasting suggest a slightly sweeter product.

That's it for this year with 40 jars - further use of the jam pan will take place when the soft-fruit at the allotment is harvested.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 25 June, 2021, 02:01:36 pm
9 year old girl scoops international competition and reproduced product sold at Fortnum & Mason.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-57581729 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-57581729)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 June, 2021, 08:04:37 pm
Well done her!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Clare on 25 June, 2021, 08:08:47 pm
Not quite nominative determinism that her mother's surname is Rhind.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 25 June, 2021, 08:16:01 pm
Flora puts blossom petals into the jar too...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 09 July, 2021, 07:32:12 am
Minor disaster in that we've found (so far) 3 or 4 jars of this year's marmalade have some mould growth on the top  >:(   - and have had to be discarded*

It's probably down to the jar lids not fitting snugly enough - mainly re-used Bonne Maman which have prossibly been used 7 or 8 times - perhaps the the thin "gasket" in the rim of the lid has failed?

Anyway - the remedy for current jam production (apricot and strawberry, raspeberry soon from the allotment) is to buy a load of jars (probably from Lakeland) that can be re-used over and over but with new lids (bought separately) each time the jar is used.


*My concern is that we may have to lower ourselves to SHOP BOUGHT MARMALADE early next year . . .
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 09 July, 2021, 01:51:47 pm
I'm sure I've said before (though possibly not in this thread) I a) never re-use lids, it's wax paper, elastic bands and cellophane circles for me and b) I scrape off the mouldy bits and spread the rest.

The USDA says you shouldn't (https://www.insider.com/can-you-eat-moldy-jam-jelly-is-it-safe-2020-7) and Theresa May does (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47226427).

To be honest, the fact she does is inclined to make me stop.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 09 July, 2021, 02:04:27 pm
I'm sure I've said before (though possibly not in this thread) I a) never re-use lids, it's wax paper, elastic bands and cellophane circles for me and b) I scrape off the mouldy bits and spread the rest.

The USDA says you shouldn't (https://www.insider.com/can-you-eat-moldy-jam-jelly-is-it-safe-2020-7) and Theresa May does (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47226427).

To be honest, the fact she does is inclined to make me stop.

Wise words - I'm only the marmalade consumer here - I have taken up the point with cook and she has promised to do better next time  ;D

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 09 July, 2021, 05:02:30 pm
I put my jam (I don't do marmalade - partner dislikes) into Bonne Maman jars, then reboil in microwave, apply lid to hot jar, screw on and hope the button pops in on cooling.

No mould so far...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 July, 2021, 09:43:56 pm
I've never had a jar of marmalade go mouldy, whether the lid sealed or not.

We do have a policy of using/giving away the unsealed jars first.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 December, 2021, 11:10:19 pm
I am on the point of jarring up a batch of lovely marmalade. The oranges have been in the freezer for almost 2 years, I think.

Edit: and I think it's slightly on the runny side, although it hasn't finished cooling yet. I normally end up with between 11 & 12 jars, but today I've ended up with a little over 12. It could have done with a bit longer boiling. However, every pot has sucked down the lid's vacuum button, so it should be safe from living things that can't open lids eating it.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 December, 2021, 10:14:51 am
I tasted it again this morning. It's perfect! It has set well and there's no noticeable caramelisation of the sugar. It sparkles on your tongue!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 15 January, 2022, 04:15:27 pm
Several.of seville oranges converted into marmalade today, using my Dad's pressure cooker recipe. I might do another batch next week.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 15 January, 2022, 04:26:02 pm
The cauldron has been bubbling here for some days - I think Mrs robgul is up to about 25 jars of the new vintage so far - usual target is around 40/45 per annum.  More oranges are due from the veg box man next Tuesday.   I think we're down to the last 2 or 3 jars of the 2021 vintage.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 15 January, 2022, 04:51:25 pm
Thanks for the reminder that it's marmalade season - need to get myself down to the greengrocer's asap...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 January, 2022, 05:10:28 pm
I bought 3kg oranges with my last WR order. They were reduced on a "3 for 2" offer. That will cover me for a year I reckon, and we've got some left from previous years.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: bhoot on 16 January, 2022, 12:12:13 am
One batch here so far, we only have a big enough pan for 1kg at a time. We seem to have more left from last year than usual at this point, probably due to less being given away on account of not really seeing anyone to give a jat to.
Probably one more batch this week and that will do.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 January, 2022, 10:42:05 pm
Up there ^ I said I might do another batch.  Well that was untrue. I've done two further batches - the first at, the weekend, was with additional black treacle, while the second, made just now, has ginger and dark rum in it.

I can stop any time I want. Honest.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 January, 2022, 12:30:12 am
I did some a few years ago with muscovado sugar. We've still got a couple of pots left. I'm not that keen on it, but I seem to recall that Canardly OTP rather liked it.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 March, 2022, 11:14:09 pm
Another batch of marmalade tonight. It's in the jars, but is still scalding hot. I'm still waiting for the first "tink" as the vacuum lid gets sucked down.

I've jarred it rather early again. I've got almost 13 pots out of this batch, but I did start off with a little over 3lb oranges. It was beginning to wrinkle on the test plate, so theoretically it should be fine, but I'm normally a bit more cautious.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: velosam on 14 March, 2022, 05:12:12 pm
If you ever need a taster.....

I think this thread has inspired me to try the microwave version. Will report back
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 14 March, 2022, 05:31:13 pm
I think we now have 65 jars lurking in da cellar, plus 3 from last year, plus 3 plum jam left over. That'll do I rekon, till plum time cometh.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 November, 2022, 07:38:57 am
Another batch yesterday. That was a poignant moment because the brother whose recipe it was ain’t here any more.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 18 January, 2023, 12:14:54 pm
Mrs Pcolbeck is making marmalade. Its her first time so I am awaiting the results with baited breath.
We have made jam and chilli jam before but never marmalade. I bought proper jam pan this week and she has invested in a jam funnel and a new orange squeezer (after remembering this morning that I dropped and smashed the old one last year - oops).

Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 18 January, 2023, 05:41:38 pm
Mrs robgul has been making another batch of marmalade 🍊. . . under supervision!!!   Production here has reach 28 jars, so far.

The more astute (if you've seen Paddington2) will realise that the stripes on her top are white which must have been before the bear turned all the prison uniforms pink

(https://i.ibb.co/vPVQ3qg/pad-marm1.jpg" alt="pad-marm1)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Adam on 18 January, 2023, 09:07:42 pm
A friend of mine likes making marmalade and gave me a jar of whiskey marmalade from a recent batch.  I hate to think how much of a bottle went into the saucepan, but just taking the lid off makes you light headed.  Good job I only cycle to work rather than drive!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 18 January, 2023, 09:11:18 pm
I like marmalade (eventually) but wouldn't have a clue where to start making it.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: robgul on 18 January, 2023, 09:45:51 pm
I like marmalade (eventually) but wouldn't have a clue where to start making it.

Start with St Delia for a basic grounding in the process . . .  and then move on to Nigel Slater's recipe.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: bhoot on 18 January, 2023, 11:35:54 pm
We have never moved beyond Delia, but it seems to be ok for our purposes. Batch 1 completed on Monday, probably another next week. We had actually run out of the 2022 vintage and had to buy a jar 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 19 January, 2023, 11:21:26 am
Mrs Pcolbeck is making marmalade. Its her first time so I am awaiting the results with baited breath.
We have made jam and chilli jam before but never marmalade. I bought proper jam pan this week and she has invested in a jam funnel and a new orange squeezer (after remembering this morning that I dropped and smashed the old one last year - oops).

Tried it on toast this morning. yum !
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 20 January, 2023, 09:10:04 pm
A friend of mine likes making marmalade and gave me a jar of whiskey marmalade from a recent batch.  I hate to think how much of a bottle went into the saucepan, but just taking the lid off makes you light headed.  Good job I only cycle to work rather than drive!

A little aclymahol goes a long way in marmalade. I have a bottle of naff tesco blended whisky wot was gived me, the sort which has a bag of oak chips (or oak flavour) waved around inside it. It is actually perfect in marmalade, and the single bottle will likely last 10 years or more, about (?) 50ml (so, a double) in a 1kg batch is very noticeable, it's the smell and the flavour that make the difference.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2023, 07:44:13 am
I’ve only ever added whisky to marmalade in the far after it has cooled.

Waitrose had Seville oranges on sale yesterday so I bought 3 kilos for the freezer. That will be good for two batches in the coming year.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 21 January, 2023, 08:49:19 am
Bought two kilos of Seville oranges yesterday.

However other tasks ahead this weekend include: building up my fixer, freshly back from the powder coater and looking after the Gorgeous Grandchildren for the first time. Descisions, descisions...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 21 January, 2023, 09:08:43 am
Looked for Seville oranges in Tesco on Thursday evening - no sign of them.  Mentioned this to my parents when I was round at their place yesterday afternoon.

Picked up 2kg from Waitrose yesterday evening along with sugar, lemons etc.

First thing this morning I noticed that I received a message from my mother at 22:30 telling me that she had added 3kg of Seville oranges to her Sainsburys delivery due later today  ::-)

I predict a lot of peeling, slicing and boiling in my future.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 21 January, 2023, 09:46:52 am
Bought two kilos of Seville oranges yesterday.

However other tasks ahead this weekend include: building up my fixer, freshly back from the powder coater and looking after the Gorgeous Grandchildren for the first time. Descisions, descisions...

The bike won't change, it'll be there next week, next month. The time with the kids is precious and fleeting.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 21 January, 2023, 10:37:10 am
Bought two kilos of Seville oranges yesterday.

However other tasks ahead this weekend include: building up my fixer, freshly back from the powder coater and looking after the Gorgeous Grandchildren for the first time. Descisions, descisions...

The bike won't change, it'll be there next week, next month. The time with the kids is precious and fleeting.
True. Out to the SEECRIT bunker to fettle the trailer.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 January, 2023, 10:07:13 pm
Last night,1kg of Seville oranges were turned into regular marmalade. Tonight 1kg of Seville oranges were turned into rum and ginger marmalade.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 26 January, 2023, 04:02:51 pm
Mrs Pcolbeck's friend gave her an electric fruit juicer for her birthday. More marmalade is expected soon!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hatler on 26 January, 2023, 04:52:18 pm
This could be the kick I need to finally get around to making marmalade. Jam (plum, greengage, apricot, blackberry, chili) and chutney have all been produced in our jam pan. Deffo time for some marmalade. I get through quite a lot in a year.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 26 January, 2023, 08:00:01 pm
'ere's a question. Every recipe I have ever read says "Butter the pan to stop sticking" - I've never done this and I 've never had anything stick. Has anyone ?

Possibly coz I use BFO heavy base pans, but there you go..
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 26 January, 2023, 08:14:30 pm
I use a fairly thin aluminium jam pan which I would never consider buttering.  It doesn't stick although I do get to scrape out the pan, the decanting jug etc once the majority of the marmalade is in jars.  I usually can't face my usual orange juice with my breakfast the following morning...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: neilrj on 26 January, 2023, 10:50:23 pm
Buttering a pan might be for anti-politician outcome [1,2], rather than preventing sticking.

[1] Prevention of scum - the real problem
[2] Thinking Boris, Braverwoman etc but other scum is available
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: pcolbeck on 30 January, 2023, 12:55:36 pm
The new juicer has been deployed and there is a new batch of marmalade bubbling away in the pan!
Title: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2024, 12:16:56 pm
Question for marmalade experts:

If I were to buy, say, 3kg of Seville oranges, what sort of yield could I expect in terms of number of 225ml jars?

ETA: a quick internet search tells me most recipes use a 2:1 ratio of sugar to fruit, so that would be about 9kg of marmalade. Hmmm, maybe I should scale down my ambitions.

I’ve made marmalade before but not for a while so I’m a bit rusty on the details. But the local greengrocer has Seville oranges in stock so it’s too good an opportunity to pass up.

Anyone got any good recipes they’d recommend?
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: bhoot on 05 January, 2024, 01:33:39 pm
I use the trusty Delia Smith recipe from an old copy of her complete cookery course. Nothing fancy but works every time.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: L CC on 05 January, 2024, 01:47:38 pm
I use one that came out of a magazine in the 90s and is now a stained bookmark in a Good Housekeeping cookbook of a similar vintage. There's no need for anything fancy.
Title: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2024, 01:50:10 pm
I use the trusty Delia Smith recipe from an old copy of her complete cookery course. Nothing fancy but works every time.

We have a copy of that (1983 edition) so I shall investigate. Ta!

ETA: just had a look - seems very familiar, suspect this is in fact the recipe I used when I made marmalade before.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2024, 01:51:18 pm
There's no need for anything fancy.

Agreed. I like different flavours of marmalade but intend to keep this batch as simple and “classic” as possible.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Tim Hall on 05 January, 2024, 01:53:28 pm
I use my Dad's recipe which we unearthed when we cleared the house after he died.  It's scribbled* on a scrap of paper which I've photographed.

*his handwriting, like mine, is A Rubbish. An equivalent of The Rosetta Stone would have been useful.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2024, 02:36:14 pm
I use the trusty Delia Smith recipe from an old copy of her complete cookery course. Nothing fancy but works every time.

We have a copy of that (1983 edition) so I shall investigate. Ta!

ETA: just had a look - seems very familiar, suspect this is in fact the recipe I used when I made marmalade before.

Reading Delia's general advice on marmalade and jam making, she makes a very good point that I must have ignored before, namely not to make it in too large quantities because it takes longer to boil and set. This would explain some of the problems I had with the last batch I made (ended up very dark and overcooked, with tough bits of peel).

I've got 2kg of oranges so will make it in two batches.

Buttering a pan might be for anti-politician outcome [1,2], rather than preventing sticking.

[1] Prevention of scum - the real problem
[2] Thinking Boris, Braverwoman etc but other scum is available

Delia doesn't say anything about buttering the pan but suggests adding a knob of butter at the end of cooking to disperse the scum.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: alfapete on 05 January, 2024, 03:24:02 pm
There's no need for anything fancy.
... but you can't beat pink grapefruit marmalade - heavenly! Never made it, mind.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 05 January, 2024, 06:52:47 pm
I would avoid Morrisons Seville oranges (https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-seville-marmalade-oranges-307487011).  From the reviews:

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Dont Buy
Incredibly sour and bitter and frankly inedible. Whole lot have ended up in the compost bin.

Worst oranges ever
Bitter, full of seeds, hardly any juice in them! Couldn't even eat a single slice. Will throw away!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 05 January, 2024, 06:56:15 pm
My recipe from the stained bit of paper folded up in the Good Housekeeping Cookery Book:

4lb Oranges
2 lemons
2 kg sugar (I usually reduce this a bit)
6 pints water.

Marmalise.

Can't remember where I got this from but I love the mixed units and it produces decent results.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 05 January, 2024, 06:57:19 pm
I would never have known they're not for eating before coming on this thread.

Apropos of which, last week I found myself in Lakeland where they have big tins of pre prepared oranges ready to make marmalade with. I did swither but decided not to bother.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: rafletcher on 05 January, 2024, 07:19:43 pm
My mum used the tinned Sevilles back in the ‘60’s when fresh were hard to find.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: JonBuoy on 05 January, 2024, 07:28:08 pm
My mum used the tinned Sevilles back in the ‘60’s when fresh were hard to find.

The one that I remember was called 'Ma made'  -  which seems kind of appropriate.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: hellymedic on 05 January, 2024, 07:42:13 pm
A 225ml jar will hold around 320g of marmalade as dissolved sugars in preserves make them MUCH more dense than plain water.

You might fill fewer jars than your first estimate, for this reason...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2024, 08:00:09 pm
A 225ml jar will hold around 320g of marmalade as dissolved sugars in preserves make them MUCH more dense than plain water.

You might fillfewer jars than your first estimate, for this reason...

Thanks! This is excellent info.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 08 January, 2024, 02:35:07 pm
Success! 6.5 jars of marmalade* from just over a kilo of oranges. I have another kilo with which to make a second batch, which I shall do tomorrow.

A 225ml jar will hold around 320g of marmalade

That sounds about right. I filled three of those jars, plus 3x 450ml jars, which by my calculations contain a little under 600g of marmalade each. That sounds roughly in line with your estimate. Good knowledge

*The half jar was the dregs in the pan. After breakfast this morning, it's now more like quarter of a jar. Nom.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: fimm on 09 January, 2024, 11:00:49 am
My mum used the tinned Sevilles back in the ‘60’s when fresh were hard to find.

The one that I remember was called 'Ma made'  -  which seems kind of appropriate.
Yes, my parents used to use (possibly still do use) Mamade if Seville oranges are not available and more marmalade is required.
Those Morrison's reviews are hilarious...
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Morat on 18 January, 2024, 12:29:18 pm
36lbs now safely stashed in my preserve store. There were about 6 pounds remaining so supplies were low! This time I subsituted blood oranges for the two normal oranges that I normally use per batch. I'm sure I can taste a slightly grapefruity tang, but time will tell. I usually leave jarred marmalade for at least a couple of months before I open it.


The low carb thing is going great.
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2024, 12:38:45 pm
Success! 6.5 jars of marmalade* from just over a kilo of oranges. I have another kilo with which to make a second batch, which I shall do tomorrow.

I think I over-boiled the first batch. Good flavour but a bit of a caramel taste, rather thick consistency and the peel had become quite chewy. Second batch was much better - I took it off the boil as soon as it hit 105C. It passed the cold plate test but once I'd got it in jars it seemed to take forever to set. But it did eventually set perfectly. Very happy with the results. Valuable lessons learned for next time.

I usually leave jarred marmalade for at least a couple of months before I open it.

I don't know how you have the patience!
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Ham on 18 January, 2024, 12:48:33 pm
The trick is never to deplete stock, patience not required
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: citoyen on 18 January, 2024, 03:40:44 pm
The trick is never to deplete stock, patience not required

I would have to make an awful lot of marmalade to achieve that (36lbs sounds like it might do the trick, tbh).
Title: Re: Marmalade
Post by: Morat on 21 March, 2024, 04:15:29 pm
I found this handy guide to marmalade setting temps:

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Here's the impact of cooking temperature on marmalade set:

marmalade cooked to the lower end of the range (217–218°F or 103ºC) has a bright citrus flavour like fresh citrus fruit, but it is more on the watery side of set. The peel is very tender. Marmalade cooked to this temperature dribbles off your toast and leaves a trail in your kitchen or on your keyboard, if you are like me, doing chores while eating marmalade on toast in the morning, without a plate to catch the drips. Delicious, but drippy.
   
marmalade cooked to the middle of the range (219°F or 104ºC) is not as drippy, but not overly set. The flavour is still bright and the peel is tender, but the preserve is just a touch thicker.
   
marmalade cooked to the upper end of the range (220–221°F or 105ºC) is set just right for me: 220°F is considered the setting point of jam, also known as the gelling point, and this is where things get really interesting. The marmalade is much thicker, but with a touch of dribble to it, the peel is firmer, and the flavour is completely different. The citrus flavour is still there, but it's not as bright. The caramel undertone is coming through and there's a bit of a bitter orange flavour that lingers.

marmalade cooked to the setting point, 222°F (105.5ºC), is chewy and very thick: this is the upper limit, in my opinion, as beyond this point, the peel gets really, really chewy. At 222°F, the peel is a "nice" chewy. Past 222°F (106ºC), the peel is bordering on tough, and not so pleasant.


Here's the source, which includes pictures but also an UNHOLY amount of ads: https://bakeschool.com/making-marmalade-cooking-temperatures-the-jam-setting-point/