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General Category => Rides and Touring => Topic started by: Adam on 05 November, 2009, 07:25:49 pm

Title: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: Adam on 05 November, 2009, 07:25:49 pm
Following on from Tim's comments here (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25678.msg465293#msg465293) as there aren't any official FNRttC rides in December or January, bearing in mind we can have some nice weather at that time, anyone up for an illicit night time dash to the coast at some point?

Obviously this is NOT a FNRttC and would be subject to no severe weather, so could be pulled at short notice.  Anyone got any favoured dates/destinations?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adrian on 05 November, 2009, 08:32:45 pm
Registering an interest
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: TimO on 05 November, 2009, 09:17:57 pm
I'm fairly flexible with dates, other than the period between Christmas and New Year (and a few days either side), when I'll be in the deepest South-West.

Logically, keeping to the four weeks of the FNRttC proper it would be December 25th, and January 22nd, but that would then have February 19th as the first proper FNRttC of 2010, and Simon actually has the first one on the 26th, a week later.

Since I don't expect there will be a mass of interest in spending Christmas night cycling (and the almost certain lack of return trains on Christmas Day !), I don't think the 25th is a starter.  How about a week before Friday 18th.

That would leave five weeks until January 22nd, and then five weeks until the real FNRttC season start, which seems like a nice spacing.

For simplicity and ease of route I'd say Brighton.  On the other hand, both the November and February official ones are also Brighton, so maybe we could do one to Southend and the other Whitstable.

I'm not sure I want to start investigating new routes, especially since I think we have some fairly consistent routes to those three main destinations.

I'm not really sure which is the best route if the weather is a bit indeterminate (ie which is least prone to ice).
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 05 November, 2009, 09:55:35 pm
Friday 18th December sounds good.  

Last year at that time, I did a (daytime) ride to Whitstable with several FNrttC'ers in shorts, and bearing in mind it's been several decades since we last had a white Christmas, I reckon it's fairly likely not to be too cold.


Edit - of course we could be really radical and get the train out there and cycle back.  I notice that at 22.25 you can get the HS1 from St Pancras to Faversham arriving 23.33 and then change for the slow train to Whitstable arriving 23.51.  Or one of the slow trains from Victoria.   Cycling back to London might make it easier to find somewhere to eat at the end.  No half way stop though, which there is on the Southend route (and possibly Brighton).
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: PaulR on 06 November, 2009, 09:54:10 am
Funnily enough, as I sat on a train yesterday my mind drifted gently through the idea of train out/bike back excursions.  What occurred to me was that the Leggian transitions would have reverse polarity and might lead to a sense of disappointment and loss of freedom on arriving in London, as opposed to the liberating feeling of arriving at the sea.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: mattc on 06 November, 2009, 09:58:22 am
Funnily enough, as I sat on a train yesterday my mind drifted gently through the idea of train out/bike back excursions.  What occurred to me was that the Leggian transitions would have reverse polarity and might lead to a sense of disappointment and loss of freedom on arriving in London, as opposed to the liberating feeling of arriving at the sea.
Riding INTO London does work:
16th October: FNRttS (Oxford to London night ride) final edition for 2009 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22430.0) and others

You're right about the lack of a 'liberating feeling'. But for me that was compensated by the presence of a nice easy homeward journey (without having to ride another 50 miles).
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 06 November, 2009, 05:01:25 pm
I live by the sea so ending up in London would be a whole new concept for me.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 07 November, 2009, 09:36:12 am
Coming back into London does have the advantage of letting you see a familiar route from a different angle.  Fast descents become slow climbs, etc etc.

Of course, another variation would be to get an earlier train, have a pint or 2, and then set off back to London.  That should make the miles zoom by.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: cpjmathieson on 07 November, 2009, 01:02:58 pm
I'd be interested...but like the idea of ending up at the sea rather than vice versa.

How about Maldon and then a short ride back to Chelmsford Station for return journey??
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: TimO on 07 November, 2009, 03:26:12 pm
How about Maldon and then a short ride back to Chelmsford Station for return journey??

It's novel idea, but from the FNRttC we already have well tested routes to Brighton, Southend, and Whitstable.  If the weather is less than clement, and the possibility of being a bit dopey for novel route finding in the middle of the night,  I'm all for sticking to routes that we are familiar with.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 07 November, 2009, 04:02:32 pm
I'd agree with that Tim.

It would make sense not to go to Brighton, so that leaves Whitstable, Southend or possibly even Bognor.  I quite like the idea of a reverse ride, just to be different.

Southend has the advantage of J31 for a halfway break but of course the overall route isn't so nice.  Mind you, with a small group it's not essential for a stop anyway.

Anyone else got any thoughts/preferences?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: TimO on 07 November, 2009, 04:12:33 pm
Personally I prefer a route to the coast, since then I can get whatever train back I want, there's no rush, I can take as long or as short time to eat breakfast (assuming we can find somewhere!)

If we need to take the train out (which I will, for others it may vary), then I have to plan on getting a specific train, and this could be a nuisance for people having to wait around in the cold, if they are arriving from different places on different trains etc (Although this would also be true for people coming into London from elsewhere).
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 07 November, 2009, 04:50:16 pm
True.  If we get a train out, that would restrict the numbers, as you could probably get 4-5 bikes max in the bike area next to the toilets, 2 in the door way next to that, and then anyone else would be in the next doorway down.

For arriving at the coast and a suitable café, Southend is quite likely to have something open and in Bognor, the station café  was definitely open by 8 if not before, and they do a good range of cooked breakfasts, and I remember seeing another café open in the main shopping precinct at that time as well.  In Whitstable, I don't think the Waterfront normally does food in the morning, so that destination could be a problem.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 08 November, 2009, 12:35:06 pm
I can suss out the food sitrep in Bognor. I will need a date though, and of course that may mean that I cannot do the ride itself if I am at work.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: mickdent on 08 November, 2009, 03:39:15 pm
I could be interested and I'd favour the London to coast option.  The Southend/Whitstable routes may be less prone to ice than Brighton too?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 08 November, 2009, 04:23:25 pm
Friday 18th December will be the date. 

As for destination, personally, I'd really prefer not to go to Southend.  Although it would have a halfway stop at J31 services, and I like arriving at Southend, seeing as almost all of the route is through built-up areas, it's most of the actual journey I find rather boring, apart from the last 5 miles!

Whitstable is probably the easiest route, but as I mentioned above, there wouldn't be a halfway stop, and it would be a question of hoping one of the cafés in the High Street opens around 8 am.

Although it's a longer distance, if we look at Bognor, then we can use Pease Pottage services near Crawley as a halfway stop, and on the assumption it will be a fairly small group of 10-15 max, then upon arrival, there's the station café in Bognor which I'm certain will be open, or Jasper can recce something else that opens early on a Saturday.

Although I like Whitstable very much, I'm inclined to look at Bognor simply because it doesn't feature much on the official rides list! Route-wise it would be the traditional Brighton route as far as Gatwick, then south through Crawley to the services, then a back road to Horsham linking up to the published Bognor route. 

Anyone else got any preferences?

Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: rogerzilla on 08 November, 2009, 08:02:05 pm
What about Portsmouth, with a London and a Swindon start?  Then the Pompey crew can make us all breakfast  ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 08 November, 2009, 09:53:49 pm
Whilst it would be tempting to go for a 2 am blast down the A3, as Tim mentioned above, I think it would be best to stick to known routes and destinations.  Although I'm sure Portsmouth is a very fine location, despite Hummers.   ;)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Jurek on 09 November, 2009, 07:37:45 am


Whitstable is probably the easiest route, but as I mentioned above, there wouldn't be a halfway stop, and it would be a question of hoping one of the cafés in the High Street opens around 8 am.



Adam, don't dismiss the The Waterfront Club if you do decide on Whitstable. I think Faye and Sharon are there from 08:00 anyway - a quick call would confirm...

Alternatively there is Deb's Place, a greasy spoon-like affair,  on the left along Canterebury Road before you reach the the railway bridge and the chippy we've used.
Although I've not used it myself, Deb's was recommended to me by someone local.
Deb's Place
Tel: 01227 261268| 58, Canterbury Rd, Whitstable, Kent CT5 4HD.
I think it opens early but lacks any view of the sea.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 09 November, 2009, 11:58:47 am
Friday 18th December will be the date. 

As for destination, personally, I'd really prefer not to go to Southend.  Although it would have a halfway stop at J31 services, and I like arriving at Southend, seeing as almost all of the route is through built-up areas, it's most of the actual journey I find rather boring, apart from the last 5 miles!

Whitstable is probably the easiest route, but as I mentioned above, there wouldn't be a halfway stop, and it would be a question of hoping one of the cafés in the High Street opens around 8 am.

Although it's a longer distance, if we look at Bognor, then we can use Pease Pottage services near Crawley as a halfway stop, and on the assumption it will be a fairly small group of 10-15 max, then upon arrival, there's the station café in Bognor which I'm certain will be open, or Jasper can recce something else that opens early on a Saturday.

Although I like Whitstable very much, I'm inclined to look at Bognor simply because it doesn't feature much on the official rides list! Route-wise it would be the traditional Brighton route as far as Gatwick, then south through Crawley to the services, then a back road to Horsham linking up to the published Bognor route. 

Anyone else got any preferences?

I will be away on the 18th. But any help with the route abd stuff will not be a problem.


Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 09 November, 2009, 05:30:41 pm


Whitstable is probably the easiest route, but as I mentioned above, there wouldn't be a halfway stop, and it would be a question of hoping one of the cafés in the High Street opens around 8 am.



Adam, don't dismiss the The Waterfront Club if you do decide on Whitstable. I think Faye and Sharon are there from 08:00 anyway - a quick call would confirm...

Alternatively there is Deb's Place, a greasy spoon-like affair,  on the left along Canterebury Road before you reach the the railway bridge and the chippy we've used.
Although I've not used it myself, Deb's was recommended to me by someone local.
Deb's Place
Tel: 01227 261268| 58, Canterbury Rd, Whitstable, Kent CT5 4HD.
I think it opens early but lacks any view of the sea.

Thanks Jurek.  :thumbsup:


For a halfway break on the Whitstable route, there is a 24 hour Asda in Chatham where we could stock up on food/drink and lounge around for a bit.



I will be away on the 18th. But any help with the route abd stuff will not be a problem.


No worries, Jasper.



As I mentioned above, Bognor* would be my preferred option, simply for a change (although sadly my dad who lives there, won't be there as he's sunning himself in Spain).  But I'm happy to go with the flow if others prefer somewhere else.

So, which destination will it be?




* although bearing in mind it will be a small group, we're more likely not to go on the chalk/flint path between North Stoke and Burpham and stick to the road.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 November, 2009, 07:57:45 pm
I live by the sea so ending up in London would be a whole new concept for me.

You are Puff the Magic Dragon, and I claim my five pounds!
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Jurek on 10 November, 2009, 07:58:52 am

For a halfway break on the Whitstable route, there is a 24 hour Asda in Chatham where we could stock up on food/drink and lounge around for a bit.



As you doubtless know, there are also 24 hour Asda's at Greenhithe and Sittingbourne.
Greenhithe is the only one listed as having a cafe - but having spoken to the manager of that and the one in Sittingbourne, the cafe is not a 24 hour operation - so, unlikely to yield any hot drinks at that time of night.
The Chatham (not listed as having a cafe) one is a slog up a long hill - (think Turners Hill but longer) - which takes you off-route.
There's a 24 hr petrol station / mini-market in Chatham on Dock Road - but the attitude of the counter person is pretty poor, in as much as on the one occasion we visited, he wouldn't allow His Leggship access to buy a Mars bar ("Police and cab drivers only, mate......")  ???
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 10 November, 2009, 01:38:50 pm
Thanks Jurek.  I knew the cafes wouldn't be open in the stores.  Greenhithe would be OK, although it quite a bit less than halfway, whilst I'd discounted the Sittingbourne one, as it's nearer the end.

Chatham looked reasonable as being just about halfway, as although there's a bit of a slope up to where it is next to Rochester airfield, after checking on Bikehike, it's just over 5% at the steepest, and overall it would only add 5 miles.

Anyway, there's already 1 vote for Bognor!
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adrian on 12 November, 2009, 10:36:38 pm
Would Bognor include one of the off road options?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 12 November, 2009, 10:41:58 pm
No - unless you really want to.

I'd intend carrying on the B2139 up the roundabout with the A29, and then the A284 down to Arundel, which I've done a couple of times.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adrian on 12 November, 2009, 10:43:58 pm
Any way would be fine by me, if I am able to participate
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 16 November, 2009, 09:10:49 am
Having checked the route down to Bognor yesterday, large parts of the river basin between North & South Stoke were flooded, so it looked like rice fields out there, so the footpath would be out anyway!
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: thorny on 16 November, 2009, 09:49:32 am
Definitely interested, no preference for route. Should be nicely fuelled up following the work Christmas lunch.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: TimO on 16 November, 2009, 11:32:25 am
... no preference for route. Should be nicely fuelled up following the work Christmas lunch.

Likewise, our Lab Christmas Lunch is on the Wednesday, which should give me a clear day to get over the hangover. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 16 November, 2009, 08:43:46 pm
Our Christmas do is on the Thursday, so hopefully I'll be OK by the Friday.  ;D

Anyway, the route is here (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?id=26166).  73.5 miles with about 2,800 feet of climbing (and descending).  However the steepest bit is on the Portnalls Road, Chipstead after 15 miles.  Anyone who's done the Brighton FNRttC route will know this well!

We'll take in some nice views of the other end of Gatwick Airport and the half way stop will be at Pease Pottage services, with breakfast at the Lobster Pot Cafe on the sea front at Felpham, unless we get there really early, in which case the Station Cafe opens just after 7.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Pippa on 16 November, 2009, 08:58:31 pm
Am officially registering an interest. But very much weather dependent for me as I turn into a proper wuss at any signs of rain/cold (especially combined....).

Portnalls is a hill? A large bump more like  ;)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Adam on 16 November, 2009, 09:05:55 pm
Ah - you're clearly an experienced cyclistTM now, so slopes like that obviously don't present any problems for you.   ;D  I'll have to see if I can provide an alternative route sheet for you......... :demon:


As mentioned originally, this ride will be very weather dependent so may get cancelled on the day.  However, usual standards apply, no-one left behind, regular stops as required, etc etc.

Roll call:-

Me
TimO
Adrian
Jurek
Pippa
Mistral
MacB
thorny
Andrij
hillclimber
Clivedb
LouiseL




Edit - amended list of participants
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: Andrij on 16 November, 2009, 09:26:28 pm
Interested.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: TimO on 16 November, 2009, 09:37:51 pm
Portnalls is a hill? A large bump more like  ;)

Yikes, she's gone over to the dark side.  The leggness is strong in this one. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC sometime in Dec/Jan?
Post by: StuAff on 16 November, 2009, 11:00:37 pm
Portnalls is a hill? A large bump more like  ;)

Yikes, she's gone over to the dark side.  The leggness is strong in this one. ;D

I can only agree. It's a rather big bump......

Can't make the ride, BTW (looks like I'll be otherwise engaged).

Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 06 December, 2009, 07:15:43 pm
A little advance notice.  If you have a Railcard and buy your ticket online on the Southern website, singles from Bognor to Victoria can be had for between £3 & £4.50 depending upon the timing of train on a Saturday. 

This compares with a minimum of £10.40 from Bognor to East Croydon.  Which is 2 stops before Victoria.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 06 December, 2009, 07:37:59 pm
Without a railcard, the trip from Bognor to East Croydon is £20-80 (Off Peak Day Single).  To Victoria is only £13-40 (Super Off Peak Day Single).

There's no advantage in buying an early ticket for me.  I can get something slightly cheaper to Victoria, but generally you can't break a journey early if it's an Advance ticket, so I'd have to go all the way into Victoria, turn around and cycle back to Croydon.  If I buy a bog standard Super Off Peak Day Single to Victoria, I can get off early at East Croydon.

(Interestingly, as you say Adam, the Southern website is cheaper for advance tickets, even though it's clearly the same web-engine driving the site as the EastCoast website which I've used a lot in the past, in it's prevous guise as National Express East Coast).
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 06 December, 2009, 07:46:36 pm
In that case, also buy a Victoria to East Croydon ticket for the same day, for £1.70.  That way, you've got a valid ticket for getting off at East Croydon, so total cost could be £4.70!
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 06 December, 2009, 08:51:32 pm
...or I could just say Sod It, and buy my ticket on the day, and avoid having to get a specific train back. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 07 December, 2009, 07:50:07 am
 ::-)  :P
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 07 December, 2009, 08:28:06 am
I've just had a look and noticed that there is a band of train times leaving Bognor between 8:30 and 9:45 with no cheap advance tickets available. So who have busy boys and girls then?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 07 December, 2009, 08:29:43 am
So we should try and get there about 9-46 then. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 07 December, 2009, 08:33:22 am
Well, I have now got a ticket on the 9:56 for £4.50 and one back to Sanderstead for legailty/peace of mind for £2.10, so yes 9:46 is just fine with me.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 December, 2009, 02:56:59 pm
That would mean CM would actually be on 18th Dec. I'll be in town that day. Mag ik pannenkoeken, alsjeblieft!

Excellent - you can come along for this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25862.30) as well!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2538/4169392646_9306d79e51_o.png)

Guess I'll be coming along, then.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 08 December, 2009, 06:59:53 pm
...or I could just say Sod It, and buy my ticket on the day, and avoid having to get a specific train back. ;D

In fact I've found the tickets for £8.85 don't have a time on (the cheaper ones do), so you could still get that one, plus a £1.70 Victoria to East Croydon ticket timed for around 10.30 - 11 am, and then you'd be fine.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 08 December, 2009, 07:01:59 pm
That would mean CM would actually be on 18th Dec. I'll be in town that day. Mag ik pannenkoeken, alsjeblieft!

Excellent - you can come along for this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25862.30) as well!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2538/4169392646_9306d79e51_o.png)

Guess I'll be coming along, then.

Brilliant.  :thumbsup:

 However, I don't think we'll be getting to Bognor before 07.56............
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 December, 2009, 07:04:37 pm
However, I don't think we'll be getting to Bognor before 07.56............

I did wonder, but considering it was two quid, I figured nothing lost.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Jurek on 08 December, 2009, 07:48:55 pm
However, I don't think we'll be getting to Bognor before 07.56............

I did wonder, but considering it was two quid, I figured nothing lost.

I, for one, will not be trying to keep up with you to catch that train ;)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 09 December, 2009, 09:31:31 pm
I, for one, will not be trying to keep up with you to catch that train ;)
Spoilsport.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 12 December, 2009, 09:59:11 pm
I, for one, will not be trying to keep up with you to catch that train ;)
Spoilsport.



(grits teeth and tries to ignore the challenge).  ;)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Pippa on 12 December, 2009, 10:10:41 pm
I, for one, will not be trying to keep up with you to catch that train ;)
Spoilsport.



(grits teeth and tries to ignore the challenge).  ;)

And I for one could not keep up, even if I tried.

And I'll be carrying the alckyfrolic chocolate goodness  ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 12 December, 2009, 10:27:02 pm
In that case I'll definitely make sure I don't rush off ahead!

Everything's all set.  I did a recce ride last night - Pease Pottage services in the early hours is like the Marie Celeste, but I did see 2 members of staff there, neither of whom batted an eyelid when I wheeled my bike in.  The car park was empty through.  From there to Amberley I think I saw 5 cars in total, so it will be a quiet trip.

Breakfast will be at the Lobster Pot Cafe in Felpham. This isn't the Boat House cafe used on the previous visit to Bognor, as that's shut over winter. However, the Lobster Pot is only about 100m further along. If anyone would want a vegetarian option for breakfast, please let me know.

Seeing as it's Christmas, I had been trying to negotiate for Santa to pay a visit but I understand he's tied up in Elf & Safety negotiations with the unions. Besides, I'm sure some of you lot have been too naughty this year to warrant any presents. However, as mentioned above, there will be a Christmas theme to the ride, so feel free to dress up.


Revised rollcall.

Me
TimO
Adrian
Jurek
Pippa
Mistral
MacB
thorny
Andrij
hillclimber
Clivedb
LouiseL
TopCat1
Bollo
Davywalnuts
Aperitif
ilovebikes (possibly)
adamski
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 12 December, 2009, 10:54:32 pm
Revised rollcall.

Me
TimO
Adrian
Jurek
Pippa
Mistral
MacB
thorny
Andrij
hillclimber
Clivedb
LouiseL
TopCat1
Bollo
Davywalnuts
Aperitif
ilovebikes (possibly)
adamski
I have added my name.

Also, given the responses to my 07h56 train booking, I've also booked a train for around 09h50.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 12 December, 2009, 11:02:14 pm
oops - sorry for the omission.  :-[
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Jurek on 13 December, 2009, 08:29:18 pm

Also, given the responses to my 07h56 train booking, I've also booked a train for around 09h50.

One man.

Two trains.

How does he do that? :D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 13 December, 2009, 08:48:05 pm

Also, given the responses to my 07h56 train booking, I've also booked a train for around 09h50.

One man.

Two trains.

How does he do that? :D

Well, so long as it isn't in the style of one cup two girls
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Jurek on 13 December, 2009, 08:56:46 pm

Also, given the responses to my 07h56 train booking, I've also booked a train for around 09h50.

One man.

Two trains.

How does he do that? :D

Well, so long as it isn't in the style of one cup two girls

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 14 December, 2009, 07:55:45 am
The big chill has arrived!

Last Saturday morning, it was distinctly cool around Gatwick, and I ended up putting on my overshoes when I left Pease Pottage as it was around 2°, so this week it will be a little cooler than that.

The good news is that it should be a north-easterly wind, therefore a tailwind and there should only be small patches of fog. We may have to make a detour before Amberley, as the minor road between West Chiltington and Nutbourne (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=storrington&sll=53.241386,-0.539703&sspn=0.108483,0.264702&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Storrington,+Pulborough,+West+Sussex,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.947505,-0.447006&spn=0.057104,0.132351&z=13) was awash with water but we'll see how things are.

Definitely make sure you're wearing lots of layers though.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: thorny on 14 December, 2009, 08:37:04 am
Can I add a +1? I have  a friend visiting from Edinburgh who's keen to come along.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 08:53:53 am
That's OK so long as you remember a couple of things (i) this isn't a CTC ride, you're pretty much just "happening to be cycling in the same direction as the rest of us", so don't blame us if your bike explodes, or whatever (ii) this isn't really a ride for beginners, if he hasn't done similar distances before it probably isn't a good idea.

This ride will probably be faster, with less people (although not a lot less!) than a normal FNRttC.  It's going to be cold, sub-zero by the look of things, which is a lot colder than any other FNRttC of this year.  This doesn't really worry me, but a lot of people do wrap up very well for such temperatures.

We aren't going to cycle off and leave anyone who has a mechanical, but we're expecting a higher level of competence and readyness, so don't expect us to not be sarcastic if your tyres need pumping up, or you forget a spare inner tube. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: thorny on 14 December, 2009, 08:59:49 am
Should I have attached his cycling cv?  ;)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 09:15:52 am
I don't think we're going to check people out, but this is more a warning that you don't want to turn up on a BSO expecting us to wait for you every ten minutes, because it won't happen. ;D

(Which isn't too say that this will be a sprint, I'm not the worlds fastest rider, and I certainly won't be alone on this ride, it just won't be a casual pootle either).

This isn't a Simon run ride, and in fact he won't be on it (although this is because he's going to a party and wants to be awake for it!) so don't expect the same degree of polish and organisation, but as ever, the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 02:34:55 pm
This is the current temperature forecast for Saturday morning, just before dawn (from XCWeather (http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/forecast)):

(http://jakal.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk/~timo/DefNotTheChristmasFNRttC_TempForecast.png)

The light blue is a range centred on 0°C, and the slightly darker blue is centred on -3°C.

Looking at that, the colder temperatures are only just likely to reach us, and obviously it'll get warmer the closer to the coast we get.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 08:21:08 pm
I've just been looking at the route.  The nasty bit looks to be the 500 foot of climbing in a couple of miles, and then an equal drop, just before Arundel.

If I've got it right, that's basically going over the South Downs, although it looks like you could avoid that by following the river, although on the OS map it appears to be footpaths, so that would be a few miles of pushing the bike (through mud?)

As far as I can see, on the August ride, we went to the East of the river around there, and only went up about 300 feet.  It's possibly slightly longer that way, but less climbing.  Adam, is there any particular reason why you went the steeper route?

(http://jakal.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk/~timo/DNtFNRttC_AugDec.png)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: teethgrinder on 14 December, 2009, 08:34:49 pm
I hope you've got a main road route as back up. If it gets icy it could get nasty. There's been some rain lately which might freeze. You often get warm and cold micro climates and a cold spot could be enough for ice on the roads. Plus you can have dry roads, but then have run off from hills which freezes on the road. It's not so easy to see at night until you're on top of it. I remember cycling one very cold night on a dry road and going down a dip in the road keeping my momentum for the climb. At the bottom of the dip I heard a crunching sound. That dark bit across the width of the road that I thought was water was actually ice. :o I rode over it at about 30mph. I walked over the next patch.
But the main roads are much better drained and will be gritted.
I'll stay indoors if it's icy.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 08:45:19 pm
The forecast is that it's likely to be below zero.  The forecast for the days before this is also pretty cold, and the roads are currently a bit wet, so it's unlikely that the roads will dry off much.

It's probably possible to kink sideways onto various main roads which run North-to-South if necessary, although on my limited experience some of them are still quite busy, even at that time of night.

For me, I can abandon anywhere in the first dozen or so miles with little "cost" to get home.

Maybe that is Adams justification for that road, it's main-er, so possibly likely to be reliably less icy, which is a good thing when dropping downhill fast.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: teethgrinder on 14 December, 2009, 09:07:07 pm
The main roads will certainly have some traffic on them, but I wouldn't say that they will be busy. Probably around 10-20 cars a minute at the most I would guess for something like the A24. The A29 should be quieter.
I'd chose the main road over icy back lanes every time. Especially at night when the traffic is low and when in a group.
It might not be icy until you're out of the suburbs of London.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 14 December, 2009, 11:24:23 pm
I've just been looking at the route.  The nasty bit looks to be the 500 foot of climbing in a couple of miles, and then an equal drop, just before Arundel.

If I've got it right, that's basically going over the South Downs, although it looks like you could avoid that by following the river, although on the OS map it appears to be footpaths, so that would be a few miles of pushing the bike (through mud?)

As far as I can see, on the August ride, we went to the East of the river around there, and only went up about 300 feet.  It's possibly slightly longer that way, but less climbing.  Adam, is there any particular reason why you went the steeper route?


Tim that was the off-road bit on the chalk and flint path.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 14 December, 2009, 11:30:22 pm
Tim that was the off-road bit on the chalk and flint path.

Doh. (http://jakal.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk/~timo/smilies/SmackHead.gif)

That explains it.  I guess we're going to have to do the up and down road bit then.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 15 December, 2009, 07:41:55 am
Carrying on the B2139 through Houghton to the roundabout with the A29 is a bit of a hike, although it's not as steep as Portnalls Road in Coulsdon, and then the drop down the A284 to Arundel is a nice smooth descent with only minor bends.  But I figured it would be easier than the flint path!

However, ice is the big worry once we leave Pease Pottage services.  The section around Christs Hospital south west of Horsham, and then further on around West Chiltington and also around Packham were at times "moist" on the roads due to run-off from the fields. 

The backup plan would be to stick to the main roads out of Horsham.  Going south on the A24 would be going out of the way too much, plus the A280 section wouldn't be nice if it's icy, so the best way would be the A264 onto the A29, and then stay on the A29 until the A284 roundabout and then back on the route into Arundel.  The big downside to that is going up the hill at Bury as that's a big hill. On the plus side, we'd be nice and toasty by going up it!

So we'll have to see how the cold develops.  For example in the early hours of this morning, Gatwick dropped down to -1° but it was above freezing all points west and south of there.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Andrij on 15 December, 2009, 11:47:56 am
Due to scheduling complications I can no longer do this ride.  :(

Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 15 December, 2009, 05:10:39 pm
I just saw this story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/London-And-East-Of-England-Warned-Of-Possible-Heavy-Snow-By-Weekend-By-Met-Office-Prediction/Article/200912315500763?f=rss) on the Sky website, which quotes the Met Office;

Quote from: [u][color=blue]Met Office[/color][/u] (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html)
Fri 18 Dec

There is a moderate risk of severe weather affecting southeastern parts of England. Snow showers, especially during the first half of the day, will give local accumulations of 5 to 10cm.

I guessing that much snow in London wouldn't be too bad, but could be worse out on some of the route.  I guess we'll have to wait and see what it's like on Friday.

I'll be at work, so I'll have an idea what it's like a mile away from HPC up to about half an hour before midnight.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 15 December, 2009, 05:50:43 pm
Thanks Tim.  It's looking a bit more depressing now.  Just have to see what blows in.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 15 December, 2009, 06:22:02 pm
My 2p, for what it is worth: it's too cold and not safe. As Teethgrinder points out even if the bulk of the route is fine, the dips and hollows and unexpected spots can be absolutely lethal with ice.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 15 December, 2009, 06:29:05 pm
I agree with Pluck and I'm bailing.

The risk of ice is bad enough, plus I wouldn't want to be standing around for any length of time at 4am with minus temperatures. Also, I've been out today and if it had been any colder my hands and feet would have started to suffer.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 15 December, 2009, 06:31:43 pm
I'm going to wait and see, it's only Tuesday, and a lot can happen to the forecast before Friday night.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: teethgrinder on 15 December, 2009, 08:20:51 pm
I'm going to wait and see, it's only Tuesday, and a lot can happen to the forecast before Friday night.

If you can bail out quickly on the night, that's what I'd do. The weathermen don't always get it right. But on the other hand, you really don't want to be stuck out in the middle of nowhere at night when you can't take shelter anywhere. It could be very unpleasant, even dangerous if you get tired. Falling off in the ice and becoming unconcious in freezing weather doesn't bear thinking about. Hypothermia isn't to be taken lightly.

I'm not trying to put anyone off. But it pays to be carefull and know what you could be getting into. At least have an escape planned such as 24 hour services. You should make it to Crawley I would guess and if it does turn nasty you could call it a day there. It could be fine. But some sudden heavy snowfall would change things very quickly and you may not be able to get out of it as soon as you may like.

Again, I'm not trying to put you off. If you start without the expectation of finishing and can abandon if the going gets rough, you should still have a good, allthough not very long ride.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 15 December, 2009, 08:33:07 pm
There's an obvious bailout shortly before Crawley, Gatwick Airport, from which there are trains back to London (and East Croydon :thumbsup:) roughly half hourly during the night (worst case wait is about an hour between 1am and 2am).  This of course assumes that the weather hasn't buggered the trains up as well.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 15 December, 2009, 08:39:24 pm
A couple of years ago I did what I think was an October (possibly November - doubt it but it certainly felt like it) FNR in the company of Simon L3, Hummers, Martin et al. It was not an especially cold night at the start (otherwise this wuss wouldn't have started the ride) but there were at least a couple of points at which there was black ice in the most unexpected of locations.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 15 December, 2009, 10:01:58 pm
Not sure it's worth doing a FNRtGatwick.........

It's a shame, as there's a little treat lined up for breakfast at Bognor.  I'll see how things develop, but I think it would be worth having a think about alternative dates.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 15 December, 2009, 10:29:58 pm


It's a shame, as there's a little treat lined up for breakfast at Bognor. 


Is it one or more of the following:

Cake
Champagne
Chips
Oysters
A Stripper
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Pippa on 15 December, 2009, 10:54:50 pm
I've been really looking forward to this ride, especially given I didn't get to do the Bognor FNRttC and also my inability to finish the last one to Brighton in the pouring rain. But my enthusiasm has been replaced in the last couple of days with nerves and, if I'm honest, some fear.

Unless there is a miraculous change in the weather from the current levels of coldness (and from what I can tell the only change forecast is for it to get colder and then snow!!!), I too am going to bail as I would never cope with this distance in this temperature.  :'(

Sorry folks.

 :(

Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adrian on 15 December, 2009, 11:07:53 pm
What, before we have found out what the treat is?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: αdαmsκι on 15 December, 2009, 11:20:21 pm
Pippa's just finding an excuse not to come along 'cos she knows the treat is a stripper.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 15 December, 2009, 11:22:01 pm
Pippa's just finding an excuse not to come along 'cos she knows the treat is a stripper.

If it is, nobody specified the gender. :)

(...although I'd vote for female. ;D)
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 16 December, 2009, 10:58:52 am
Strippers indeed.  How sexist.  As if I'd do such a thing...........

Anyway, watching the weather forecasts is like the uneasy inevitability of England as they progress in the World Cup.

I've spoken to the Lobster Pot and said it's looking increasingly unlikely we'll be doing this on Friday night, but that I'd let them know definitely by Friday morning, and they're OK with that.

So, assuming the Met Office are correct and there is snow & ice, how about thinking of some alternative dates.

The next couple of Friday nights after this weekend might be tricky, so we could change this to midweek - WNRttC - Wednesday 30th December?

Another date could be to start Saturday 2nd January, although the downside to that is that on the Sunday, the trains aren't running between Barnham & Angmering, so it would mean a 9 mile pootle back to Arundel to get the train.

Any opinions?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 December, 2009, 11:46:02 am
You could always make it a Midsummer Christmas ride. There is a precedent for this.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 16 December, 2009, 12:58:35 pm
I won't be in the vicinity of London, or even any of my bicycles, from around 23 December to 3rd January, so any dates inside of that range is not going to work for me.  In actuality, most dates before then aren't going to work either, since I've got so many things which need to be done, and doing something like a night ride, the day before a 200 mile drive would probably come under the heading of a Silly Thing To Do.

(I have got off of a red-eye, and driven that far, but it took ridiculous amounts of Redbull, which is horrible, but does the job.  I don't voluntarily care to try this again!)

If it doesn't happen on Friday, then it's probably going to have to wait until the New Year for me.  Much earlier in the thread we did suggest January 22nd as being equidistantly spaced with this Friday and the next "real" FNRttC in February.  That may be another option.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 17 December, 2009, 10:23:48 am
Even ignoring any possible snow drifts, in the early hours of Saturday morning it's going to be -3 on the south coast, meaning -4 or -5 in places out in the countryside which will mean lots of nasty ice with the stuff that will have melted during the day, so sadly, this ride is now CANCELLED.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 17 December, 2009, 10:28:09 am
Yes, the Met Office's 60% chance of heavy snowfall suggests that it's probably not a good idea to attempt this ride. :(

Even if that didn't materialise, the temperatures forecast are below zero for pretty much the entire route now, so some ice on the roads is almost certain.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Jurek on 17 December, 2009, 10:34:34 am
....... so sadly, this ride is now CANCELLED.

Sadly but sensibly, methinks, Adam.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: clarion on 17 December, 2009, 10:38:26 am
To avoid having to dig snow caves like Yehuda Moon, that sounds like a smart move.  Shame, but sensible.
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: TimO on 17 December, 2009, 10:39:36 am
Dammit, don't you just hate it when people have entirely sensible reasons for cancelling something. :demon:

To avoid having to dig snow caves like Yehuda Moon, that sounds like a smart move.  Shame, but sensible.

No snowplough is getting the chance to eat my bike. ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: Adam on 17 December, 2009, 10:52:15 am
....... so sadly, this ride is now CANCELLED.

Sadly but sensibly, methinks, Adam.

Weather-wise, it's a big contrast with the (daytime) ride we did on 20th December 2008 to Whitstable, when I was in shorts.

Who would have thought we'd get snow this time of year?
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: thorny on 17 December, 2009, 04:19:32 pm
real shame about the ride. had already started eating lardy foods in preparation for the cold  ;D
Title: Re: Definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18th December
Post by: teethgrinder on 17 December, 2009, 07:40:42 pm
Who would have thought we'd get snow this time of year?


Him ;D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPfOjAw5Z0)
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: spen666 on 17 December, 2009, 10:38:12 pm
Could it not be a snow man building ride instead
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 December, 2009, 08:39:49 am
I think you are a bunch of wusses. :P
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Adrian on 18 December, 2009, 10:06:31 am
I think you are a bunch of wusses. :P

Guilty as charged sir.
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: TimO on 18 December, 2009, 11:12:53 am
I think you are a bunch of wusses. :P

If you want to do it, I can still meet you at HPC Wow? ;D
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Adrian on 18 December, 2009, 01:34:15 pm
Do we get to find out what the treat was?Or does it remain on file for another time?
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Adam on 18 December, 2009, 02:18:32 pm
It was only a little treat, but it can remain for the re-run.

My main hope is that Pippa can be persuaded to make more alcoholic choccy goodies (as I'm assuming the current batch is all gone now).
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Andrij on 18 December, 2009, 02:25:00 pm
It was only a little treat, but it can remain for the re-run.

My main hope is that Pippa can be persuaded to make more alcoholic choccy goodies (as I'm assuming the current batch is all gone now).

I don't think any of the last match made it beyond HPC!  Sadly, I arrived too late.  :'(
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Jurek on 18 December, 2009, 02:26:38 pm


I don't think any of the last match made it beyond HPC!  Sadly, I arrived too late.  :'(

You didn't get any because you were late   :P
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 December, 2009, 02:42:54 pm
It was only a little treat, but it can remain for the re-run.

My main hope is that Pippa can be persuaded to make more alcoholic choccy goodies (as I'm assuming the current batch is all gone now).

For the November '08 FNRttC I took a flask of sweet black coffee with a splash, or three ;), of rum, which went down very well at the Ditchling greenhouses. I was planning on making more for this ride, but I probably won't be able to attend the rescheduled ride, so someone else will have to fill in for me.
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Adrian on 18 December, 2009, 03:10:04 pm

For the November '08 FNRttC I took a flask of sweet black coffee with a splash, or three ;), of rum, which went down very well at the Ditchling greenhouses. I was planning on making more for this ride, but I probably won't be able to attend the rescheduled ride, so someone else will have to fill in for me.

It certainly did, and remembering this I fitted my bikebuddy (http://www.bikebuddy.co.uk/) the other day so I could do similar.
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Adam on 18 December, 2009, 03:47:41 pm
Mmm - how many tots of rum are there in 2 litres??
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Pippa on 18 December, 2009, 04:12:17 pm
3.5 tots :) but that is based on the proper hardcore 50% stuff. For the pansy 40% stuff you get nowadays you'd need about 4.4 tots or thereabouts. Prolly worth rounding up to 5 :D

As for the alcoholic choccie - for you lot of course I'll make some :-*

As it happens, the booze choccy didn't get made so the requisite ingredients (booze and choccy plus stuff) are sitting around waiting for the rescheduled ride. I just need the packing guru aka Jurek to figure out a way I can carry said booze choccy on my bike without the need for a rack or panniers :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NOW CANCELLED - So definitely not a FNRttC Christmas Ride to Bognor 18/12/09
Post by: Andrij on 18 December, 2009, 04:19:48 pm
...

As it happens, the booze choccy didn't get made so the requisite ingredients (booze and choccy plus stuff) are sitting around waiting for the rescheduled ride. I just need the packing guru aka Jurek to figure out a way I can carry said booze choccy on my bike without the need for a rack or panniers :thumbsup:

My bikes have racks, I have panniers.  Shall I stop by tomorrow for lunch?
Title: Re: A late, late Christmas Ride to Bognor
Post by: Adam on 19 December, 2009, 11:55:43 am
Back to the main topic, as Tim had originally suggested Friday 22nd January as another day, and the snow might have melted by then, who's able to make that one?
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: Adrian on 19 December, 2009, 12:06:10 pm
Not me that day, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: Jurek on 19 December, 2009, 12:08:14 pm
I have childcare duties to perform on the Saturday, which would preclude me from joining this ride.

However, that doesn't mean that I couldn't turn up at HPC with Pippa's chocofrolic goodness to wave you off.
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: Adam on 19 December, 2009, 12:30:47 pm
I have childcare duties to perform on the Saturday, which would preclude me from joining this ride.

However, that doesn't mean that I couldn't turn up at HPC with Pippa's chocofrolic goodness to wave you off.

But.... but..... who would be there to shout out when I go the wrong way.  ;D
Title: Re: A late, late Christmas Ride to Bognor
Post by: αdαmsκι on 19 December, 2009, 04:34:46 pm
Back to the main topic, as Tim had originally suggested Friday 22nd January as another day, and the snow might have melted by then, who's able to make that one?
I'm going to be away some of that week and by Friday I'll be knackered and in no fit state to do an overnight ride. But as I don't live in London, I don't consider I have much power over which date you should chose.
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: TimO on 19 December, 2009, 05:27:00 pm
I only picked that date because it and the original date of this ride were nicely spaced between the last and first official FNRttCs of their respective seasons.

There's no reason why we can't pick another date which is more suitable for the majority of people.
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: TimO on 19 December, 2009, 05:41:18 pm
I've put a poll here (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27691.0) to take a vote on the best date to attempt to run this ride on.
Title: Re: A late late post Christmas night time Ride to Bognor
Post by: Adam on 19 December, 2009, 09:03:56 pm
 :thumbsup: