Post by: Chris S on 16 September, 2009, 05:19:46 pm
We've bought a Concept II 'D' for several uses. Some in the household want to lose some pounds and I want to cross train on it. I've never been much good at rowing - the gut gets in the way and I always feel like I'm not getting enough breath. Hopefully the rower will work its magic and the gut will diminish.
Today I did the longest row I've ever done - half an hour :o. This included a 2000m timed section where I set down my base time of 9:07.7. I'm hoping one of these sessions a week, combined with some other steadier rowing sessions, and perhaps some intervals later, will see that time coming down as fast as my waistline dimensions.
Post by: no97trap on 16 September, 2009, 05:52:15 pm
Post by: mike on 16 September, 2009, 06:00:21 pm
you've certainly got room for improvement... :D Some technique coaching should cut a minute off that pretty quickly and 7.30 should be within reach by christmas for someone that does as much pedalling as you do. Let me know when you're next coming past if you fancy it! (you doing the Tints? Fancy a mid-audax ergo session? ;))
Post by: Chris S on 16 September, 2009, 06:07:09 pm
Good work! Half an hour without a break is bloody hard, did you get off and stretch during?
I didn't get off no - I paused to reset the monitor into 2000m mode - and took the last 10 minutes or so after the 2000m pretty easy.
you've certainly got room for improvement... :D Some technique coaching should cut a minute off that pretty quickly and 7.30 should be within reach by christmas for someone that does as much pedalling as you do. Let me know when you're next coming past if you fancy it! (you doing the Tints? Fancy a mid-audax ergo session? ;))
That sounds like a brilliant idea except for one teensy weensy snag - the Tints doesn't go your way - the second loop is down to Hog Hill again. S'pose I could pop by on the drive home. Don't expect miracles - I'll have ridden 200km on fixed by then!
How about the next day - I seem to remember Simon saying his ride goes up to Barkway...?
Post by: mike on 16 September, 2009, 06:09:55 pm
How about the next day - I seem to remember Simon saying his ride goes up to Barkway...?
Sunday = swimming / cycling / running for me! First triathlon over near northampton.
we'll be here on saturday though, if you've got the enthusiasm after the tints. Or next time you're coming past...
Post by: simonp on 16 September, 2009, 07:09:22 pm
SRSLY, get someone who knows their rowing to look at your form. Worked wonders for me.
For some encouragement, I think the wattage for 9:07 is pretty low compared to what you're capable of on a bike. 8 minutes will be about 200W average - IIRC that's the sort of thing you can do on the bike so why not on a rower? Technique, I think. 7:25 for me was an average of 254W. That was tough.
Post by: Chris S on 16 September, 2009, 09:33:38 pm
This will change.
Post by: rower40 on 16 September, 2009, 09:42:08 pm
First time in an Eight for most of them. It went surprisingly well - they've been taught well in successive "Learn-To-Row" courses, and spent a long time sculling (i.e. two blades each, whereas rowing is one each) so they've all got good basic boat skillz.
[Young Mr Grace]
You've all done very well....
[/Young Mr Grace]
I just wish my back didn't hurt so much. :(
Post by: mike on 16 September, 2009, 09:47:27 pm
I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
you dont need much. If you've been riding fixed anywhere hilly, you're plenty strong enough (so not Norfolk then). Just got to get the technique right... :)
Post by: Chris S on 16 September, 2009, 09:51:59 pm
Just got to get the technique right... :)
I'm trying to emulate this technique:
YouTube - Rowing Technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA)
Post by: rower40 on 16 September, 2009, 10:05:06 pm
Hands Body Slide. (on the way forward)I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
Just got to get the technique right... :)
Keep the Arms Straighter for Longer. (on the way back)
Rowing is a Pushing Sport, not a Pulling Sport.
At my Rowing Club, we used to have a large metallic mirror that we could prop up against the ergos, so that the
Edit - just watched that YouTube link. Excellent. Notice that the recovery takes longer than the power phase. Take your time forward.
OTOH we have a saying: Put an ergo on water, and it sinks. ;)
Post by: Panoramix on 16 September, 2009, 10:06:51 pm
one of "5 by 5"
This is 5 times 5 minutes with a set distance. You must achieve the distance 5 times in a row (#3 and #4 will hurt) with a pause in between, you can do it in pair with a 5 minutes pause.
One long one for endurance (half an hour or one hour) same principle: a set distance that you must achieve.
I used to have a spreadsheet that would give you the distance to achieve depending on your 2k target but i can't find it :-[
As mentioned above, 2k is just good at measuring your fitness! Btw, if you don't feel a bit sick at the end of a 2k, you probably weren't pulling hard enough ;)
Regarding technique, it is easy: legs then stomach and finally arms and the other way round on the recovery. The smoother, the more efficient! Most of the work comes from the legs, don't forget to "lock" your upper body while your legs are pushing.
Edit: beaten to it by rower40 for the technique tricks...
Post by: simonp on 16 September, 2009, 11:32:29 pm
I've had a desk job for 25 years. I have no upper body strength.
This will change.
Yeah and my arms are huge as we all know. :P
Post by: mattc on 17 September, 2009, 08:37:39 am
Notice that the recovery takes longer than the power phase.
Why is that? In cycling terms it's a disaster - you're reducing the time spent exerting force, so you must have to increase the force applied over that time = rubbish endurance.[and 7mins is definitely an endurance activity]
And yet it clearly works when rowing. Is it a consequence of how the flywheely-thingies are connected up? I'm baffled.
Post by: Chris S on 17 September, 2009, 08:46:55 am
In cycling, your legs are the engine, and (with the circular pedaling caveat) the legs are idle on the upward pedal stroke.
In rowing, your whole body is the engine, and similarly - it idles on the "non-power" stroke.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 19 September, 2009, 04:06:40 pm
Not as important on a Concept 2, although if rowing at a high rating (high strokes per minute, spm) you can drive the machine across the room depending on the flooring and if you thump into frontstops. Also, the recovery (coming forward up the slide) is your opportunity to rest & relax. And yes, you need to, and can do, at 36+spm.
Technique is important; doing it right is more efficient and stops you f***ing up your lower back.
Rather than droning up and down, for interest, try:
3 x 10 minute pyramids - 4' at 20spm / 3' at 22 / 2' at 24 / 1' at 26 , then 22/24/26/28, then 24/26/28/30, with varying power ("pressure"), i.e. 4' light, 3min 1/2 race pace, 2' 3/4 race pace, 1' eyeballs out.
The first will feel quite easy (if you're properly warmed up), it's more difficult to force yourself to do the last one (or do another one... :demon:).
Post by: Chris S on 06 October, 2009, 06:39:43 pm
8:48.3 for tonight's 2000m - down from 9:07.7 previously. This is despite giving blood 24 hours ago, so I'm pleased with that. Probably mostly down to technique - as this was off an average stroke rate of 22; any more than that and I run out of puff.
Post by: microphonie on 06 October, 2009, 06:57:13 pm
Back when I did do 3 gym sessions a week the Concept II was my thing: mainly 10k rows rather than 2k sprints. Got my record down to about 42mins iirc. Don't think I'd manage a 10k in an hour now!
I don't think I can justify the expense of a Concept II, even a reconditioned one though. I have thought about a pilates reformer as an alternative though.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 07 October, 2009, 08:40:31 pm
Mind you, I intend to carry on rowing as long as I can, so it's an investment in me. I worked out it would payback in about 5 years against the cost of rowing twice a week in a local gym. And I don't have to go outside on wintry nights...
Post by: Chris S on 22 October, 2009, 06:11:38 pm
So - half an hour - 6250m; including two one minute bursts with a sub-two minute 500m split.
Knackered now though ;).
Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2009, 06:19:00 pm
It's getting quite tricky to fit everything in at the moment - and that's despite being young (ish!) free and single.
Post by: mike on 22 October, 2009, 06:27:10 pm
Good workout this evening, practicing timing my leg drive after the catch. I can feel when I get it right - like when you hit a cricket ball with the sweet spot of the bat - and the split time drops by 20s :thumbsup:.
great, isnt it? ;D
So - half an hour - 6250m; including two one minute bursts with a sub-two minute 500m split.
8k for 30 minutes was our bragging benchmark, only one of us ever hit 8,500 (and he really was 7 feet tall :o )
Post by: simonp on 24 October, 2009, 08:02:31 pm
So I went out drinking with some rowers last night.
Now I've agreed to go try out rowing on the water next weekend.
Where will the madness stop? ::-)
Post by: Marco Stefano on 25 October, 2009, 10:45:06 am
Where will the madness stop? ::-)
Never - that's why it's a madness... That's why I was sculling at 7:30 yesterday morning from Ely to Ely (i.e. going nowhere) via Littleport on a river with no scenic attraction whatsoever. Apart from Cambridge women's crews... ;D
I'm sure Mike will back me up on this (the rowing, but possibly on CUWBC members too).
Post by: mike on 25 October, 2009, 11:48:28 am
Where will the madness stop? ::-)
Never - that's why it's a madness... That's why I was sculling at 7:30 yesterday morning from Ely to Ely (i.e. going nowhere) via Littleport on a river with no scenic attraction whatsoever. Apart from Cambridge women's crews... ;D
I'm sure Mike will back me up on this (the rowing, but possibly on CUWBC members too).
+1 on both ;D
We used to train from the fish & duck just south of ely so I know that stretch quite well. Capsizing under the railway bridge in a 20mph northerly wind in feb was a particularly low point.
Simon - be careful, it's a very slippery slope. Rowing is like a drug and when it gets you, you can forget about audaxing..
Post by: simonp on 25 October, 2009, 02:10:33 pm
Post by: simonp on 27 October, 2009, 11:10:35 pm
Did 5000m in 19:32.8, which is a 28s improvement on my PB. ::-)
They have a challenge at the gym at the moment - top 3 times in various classifications. I'm the first guy to do a 5000m in my class (male, >5'11"). I'm much faster than the only other 5000m time up, which is <5'11 class. Will be interesting to see how quickly I'm beaten. Last time they did this, was almost 10 years ago and I was much, much slower - about 20'40 or so.
Post by: simonp on 03 November, 2009, 09:41:05 pm
There's still only one time for 5000m up there, it's over a minute slower than mine iirc. In the shorties group.
Post by: Chris S on 04 November, 2009, 10:40:47 am
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs037.snc3/12433_195274387852_566727852_3985828_3427803_n.jpg)
Interesting how the stroke rate went up as I got more and more frenetic! No doubt my form went to pot too!
Post by: simonp on 04 November, 2009, 03:19:09 pm
Combination of last night's efforts, plus poor sleep = struggling up Coldhams Lane bridge. Really lacking in power, and then a real struggle after going over the bridge as I'd used everything on the bridge.
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*little moment*
I'll shave my head and get a drum...
Post by: andrew w on 22 November, 2009, 09:48:31 pm
Tonight I had my first attempt at a time for 2000m - it took me 8:22.9, and I definitely went off too fast at the start, so I was really struggling to maintain the pace towards the end. I'm aiming to get under 8 minutes, so watch this space! Don't hold your breath though - it may take a while to reach my goal.
Post by: andrew w on 25 November, 2009, 09:44:55 pm
Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2009, 10:04:05 pm
My goal is further away by that reckoning - I've gone backwards. ;D
Post by: Andydauddwr on 25 November, 2009, 10:24:12 pm
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Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2009, 10:35:52 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 26 November, 2009, 10:12:55 pm
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Post by: andrew w on 26 November, 2009, 11:00:21 pm
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Thanks. It all sounds like good sense - I'll give it a try next time I do 2000m, probably at the weekend.
Post by: andrew w on 29 November, 2009, 12:39:46 pm
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Thanks. It all sounds like good sense - I'll give it a try next time I do 2000m, probably at the weekend.
Well, I tried it this morning - normally I'd be out on my bike on a Sunday morning, but the weather here is a bit iffy, so I decided to use the rower instead. 1000 meter warm-up, then onto the 2000 metre row. I was aiming for 8:16, so the plan was to do the first 500 in 2:02, the next 1000 in 4:12 and the last 500 in 2:02. It worked a treat, I stuck more or less to the plan and came out with a final time of 8:14.8, so thanks for the advice, Marco :thumbsup:
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
Post by: simonp on 29 November, 2009, 03:06:07 pm
Post by: andrew w on 29 November, 2009, 03:48:44 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 30 November, 2009, 12:26:44 pm
Well, I tried it this morning - normally I'd be out on my bike on a Sunday morning, but the weather here is a bit iffy, so I decided to use the rower instead. 1000 meter warm-up, then onto the 2000 metre row. I was aiming for 8:16, so the plan was to do the first 500 in 2:02, the next 1000 in 4:12 and the last 500 in 2:02. It worked a treat, I stuck more or less to the plan and came out with a final time of 8:14.8, so thanks for the advice, Marco :thumbsup:
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
Blimey, it worked! ;D
Barring injury or illness, hmmm... I did Concept 2's 1,000,000 metres in 6 months for Comic Relief some years ago, and planned for about 10K 4 times a week. Following illness & injury ::-) , the last 6 weeks were 12.5K at least 4 times a week, with the last session on Comic Relief night. :-[
Next tip: 1000m is a very short warm up for a 2K race pace trial. Mine would be more like 20 mins, with several bouts of 30 secs race pace / 30 secs light after 15 mins. You should be hot and sweaty before you start your 2K, and it takes that long to get enzyme systems up and running. Should be worth a few seconds.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 30 November, 2009, 12:39:54 pm
I used to do some reasonable times (well below 8 minutes) but I put a lot of that down to technique as I'm an ex-rower (mind you I wasn't that good a rower, one year I was in the ignominious crew that came last in the Thames eights head race. One crew even crashed in to the bank just afte Barnes Bridge and was stuck there for a while. They still beat us :-[)
Might try to get back in to it for the new year. I'll make a deal, if I'm not rowing again by this time next year I'll sell the rower on here for a reasonable price (it's a model D bought back in 2004 I think).
Post by: simonp on 01 December, 2009, 09:26:05 pm
Garmin Connect -
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Nice rise in the heart rate as I upped the pace at the end. I kept having to remind myself I was doing 30 minutes as the pace was creeping up.
Felt pretty comfortable at that pace for 30 mins apart from slipping grip due to sweat. I've got blisters again. :hand:
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2009, 12:35:26 am
Go on, you know you want to ;D.
I've chosen my charity. 23 days left, 7432 metres on the clock only.
I basically now need to row 10,000m 3 times a week to make this.
You buggers. >:(
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2009, 07:04:00 pm
Post by: mike on 02 December, 2009, 07:41:55 pm
Note to self: gloves.
they'll make it worse cos they chafe. Cotton wool over the sore bits then Zinc Oxide tape from boots over the top (or insulation tape works too)
Post by: andrew w on 03 December, 2009, 09:37:03 pm
Have now done 45,000m towards the 100,000 target to be reached by Christmas Eve.
Post by: andrew w on 05 December, 2009, 04:24:54 pm
Post by: simonp on 05 December, 2009, 04:45:10 pm
Post by: andrew w on 05 December, 2009, 05:28:24 pm
If I can get my mitts on some zinc oxide tape tomorrow i will have a go at 10,000m.
Well, your'e about 10% faster than me at 2000m, so if the same proportional difference applies at 10,000m, you should be looking for around 40:11. No pressure, though :).
Post by: simonp on 05 December, 2009, 05:36:26 pm
Post by: simonp on 06 December, 2009, 02:31:41 pm
The guy did say I'd probably have a bit of muscle fatigue for a couple of days after the VO2max test, and I then went to the Cambridge CC annual dinner where I got all boozed up and then yesterday was a hangover.
Still, I beat my original target - I did it in 41:45.0
Post by: andrew w on 06 December, 2009, 05:37:38 pm
Still, I beat my original target - I did it in 41:45.0
Well done :thumbsup:
Post by: Valiant on 07 December, 2009, 04:08:37 am
Post by: Chris S on 07 December, 2009, 09:06:37 am
So how much are these things?
On ebay; model Cs go for between 300 and 500; model Ds for between 500 and 700.
I bought a refurbed D from these people:
Amazon Leisure UK Ltd – Europe’s Largest Supplier of Fitness Equipment
(http://www.amazon-leisure.com/)
Post by: simonp on 08 December, 2009, 10:45:11 pm
Still, I beat my original target - I did it in 41:45.0
Well done :thumbsup:
So I tried to go a bit slower tonight on account of having spent the entire of the 10,000m waiting for it to be over. Much more relaxed pace, 42:49.6, which was easy to maintain and I did a nice steady 21spm or so. That power output is more like my aerobic training level (165 watts average).
Will be much easier to meet the target.
Oh and some git has beaten my 5,000m time at the gym finally. By a country mile; 18:45 to my 19:32. There is no way I'm getting close to that any time soon.
Post by: Chris S on 09 December, 2009, 02:34:20 pm
I did a set earlier - and was able to do a <2m split for one minute, but couldn't do that kind of workload for longer. The longer steps were more like 2:05 to 2:08 splits.
F*cking hard work though - I was jelly afterward.
Post by: mike on 09 December, 2009, 02:40:55 pm
The former is probably better if you're not being coached because it's too easy to let technique go to sh*t as the rate comes up if you havent got a small, angry person shouting at you. The latter is more like actual rowing though, where you have to follow the rate pattern set by the stern pair and can slack off / pull harder depending on how fruity you're feeling.
Have you had any coaching yet chris?
Oh and some git has beaten my 5,000m time at the gym finally. By a country mile; 18:45 to my 19:32. There is no way I'm getting close to that any time soon.
sorry 'bout that... ;)
Post by: Chris S on 09 December, 2009, 02:51:31 pm
Have you had any coaching yet chris?
No. Still wanting to take you up on your previous offer of some :thumbsup:.
We should sort out a date.
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2009, 04:15:10 pm
Basically, you work out the 500m splits for your target time, then it's -2 secs for the first 500m, +2 secs for the middle 1k, then -2 secs (hopefully) for the last 500m and wind for the finish from 300m out. Even if you feel brilliant in the first 500m, stick to the plan, or you will get bitten later.
Also, go off silly hard in the first 10 strokes and then settle to race pace - we have a small alactic anaerobic respiration system which can be regarded as 'free', but once gone is gone, and you'll only have the wherewithall to use it at the start.
I talk a good race, me. Wheeze. Bleurgh. :sick:
Thanks. It all sounds like good sense - I'll give it a try next time I do 2000m, probably at the weekend.
Well, I tried it this morning - normally I'd be out on my bike on a Sunday morning, but the weather here is a bit iffy, so I decided to use the rower instead. 1000 meter warm-up, then onto the 2000 metre row. I was aiming for 8:16, so the plan was to do the first 500 in 2:02, the next 1000 in 4:12 and the last 500 in 2:02. It worked a treat, I stuck more or less to the plan and came out with a final time of 8:14.8, so thanks for the advice, Marco :thumbsup:
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
Well .... just done my 2nd attempt in a week (also 3rd go this year).
8:18 for 2,000m
I rowed to my HR, sticking to my 30min bike TT rate, so I had a little more to give, but not a lot. I do think rowing fitness is very comparable with bike fitness, as I have done well under 8mins in the past, but I am MUCH less fit than July due to all the injury time.
So I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2009, 04:47:21 pm
So I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
If it's any help, that was first time on a rower for 2 months.
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2009, 04:50:24 pm
Yeah, but you're taller than me. :PSo I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
If it's any help, that was first time on a rower for 2 months.
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2009, 12:25:43 am
Yeah, but you're taller than me. :PSo I'm slower than Bridget's 5k pace - a bloody girly!
If it's any help, that was first time on a rower for 2 months.
True, but I'm a lightweight.
I think rowing flat out's the wrong approach anyway. I'll gain more rowing 40 mins at 165W compared to 20 mins at 200W.
Post by: andrew w on 10 December, 2009, 12:21:55 pm
I'm also trying to do the "100,000 metres by Christmas Eve" challenge, referred to by Andy Cox upthread. 21000 metres done so far (in four days), only another 79000 to go in 25 days. Eminently achievable, I think, barring injury or illness. My plan is to do four sessions per week at 7000 metres per session.
I've now done 69,000 metres and I'll be doing another 7,000 tonight, so only another 24,000 to go after today. I haven't had any more attempts at 2,000m since my 8:14.8, but I might have another go at the weekend.
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2009, 12:44:23 pm
Post by: mattc on 10 December, 2009, 12:52:05 pm
At first I thought you were just stating facts. But I now find the limit is 72.5 kg, and:Yeah, but you're taller than me. :P
True, but I'm a lightweight.
I can't get below 73kg at the moment. Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning
So there's only 1 conclusion:
Are you calling me fat?!?
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2009, 01:11:37 pm
At first I thought you were just stating facts. But I now find the limit is 72.5 kg, and:Yeah, but you're taller than me. :P
True, but I'm a lightweight.I can't get below 73kg at the moment. Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning
So there's only 1 conclusion:
Are you calling me fat?!?
I thought the standard definition of lightweight was <75kg. If >75kg is fat, then I was fat a couple of weeks ago.
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Below are the definitions for lightweight and heavyweight for men and women. These weight categories only apply to rowing.
Lightweight Women: <= 135lbs (61.5kg)
Heavyweight Women: > 135 lbs (61.6kg)
Lightweight Men <= 165lbs (75kg)
Heavyweight Men > 165lbs (75kg)
Post by: Greenbank on 10 December, 2009, 01:22:15 pm
I'm not fat, I'm just undertall.
</Garfield>
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2009, 11:31:41 pm
0.5s faster, too.
Post by: simonp on 11 December, 2009, 04:56:53 pm
This leads me to the following question; in which order should I do things?
Row then hundred push ups and two hundred sit ups programme (both week 6 day 3, but different columns) or do the push ups and sit ups first?
Post by: simonp on 11 December, 2009, 09:49:42 pm
I did the 10,000m a bit faster than last night. 42:12.2 iirc.
So that's me on 47,432. Almost half way.
Have got two Christmas outings (work, 5-a-side) this week. Oops.
Post by: andrew w on 12 December, 2009, 05:57:41 pm
Total distance in the challenge period now 86,000m. Not far to go now, though I don't intend to stop at 100k.
Post by: simonp on 13 December, 2009, 06:14:16 pm
57432m done - not far to go now.
Mon & Tues should put me on 77432 and if I do both those I think I'll have it licked. :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 14 December, 2009, 11:04:07 pm
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Post by: simonp on 14 December, 2009, 11:06:28 pm
Result: a PB time of 41:24.1
And I'm on 67,432m.
Post by: andrew w on 15 December, 2009, 12:29:35 pm
QuoteIMPORTANT UPDATE: 12/14/09 3:40 p.m. ET
Due to a minor problem we experienced with our results database this afternoon, any results entered Saturday, 12/12 through today, 12/14 at 2 p.m. are no longer in your logbook. We are sorry for the inconvenience this may cause you. Please re-enter any missing results from the last 2–3 days. If you have any questions, feel free to email us at ranking@concept2.com. Thanks!
Strangely, the 10,000m that I entered on Saturday 12/12 is still there.
I decided to mix it up a bit tonight; a few 500m at 1:55 or so mixed in to the 10,000m.
Result: a PB time of 41:24.1
And I'm on 67,432m.
Well done :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 15 December, 2009, 01:14:36 pm
Post by: simonp on 15 December, 2009, 09:06:08 pm
30:00, 7017m.
81,517m with more than a week to go. :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 16 December, 2009, 12:02:33 am
Post by: andrew w on 16 December, 2009, 09:38:12 pm
Post by: andrew w on 21 December, 2009, 04:23:22 pm
Post by: simonp on 21 December, 2009, 04:36:58 pm
So I now have to do the remaining 18,500m in 3 days. :thumbsup:
I'm going to row /exactly/ 100,000m. :P
Post by: simonp on 22 December, 2009, 01:00:35 pm
Post by: simonp on 22 December, 2009, 08:30:22 pm
Post by: andrew w on 23 December, 2009, 03:42:22 pm
Dunnit: 101,517m, from Dec 1st to Dec 22nd.
Well done :thumbsup:
I've just come out of my garage from doing another 10,000m, in a personal best time of 44:04.8, so I'm quite pleased with that. That's 120,000m I've done in the challenge period, and I might squeeze another session in some time tomorrow.
I've noticed that all my PB times are made in daytime sessions rather than evening sessions. Must be something to do with being tired after a day's work, or maybe I'm just not an evening person.
Post by: andrew w on 26 December, 2009, 04:38:47 pm
Today I've just had another go at setting a time for 2,000m, in spite of having had a fairly heavy alcoholic day yesterday. I managed to do 8:08.5, which is 6.3 seconds better than my previous best, achieved four weeks ago. It seems that training pays off, though I still almost felt tlike throwing up at the end of it.
Post by: simonp on 27 December, 2009, 11:25:15 am
Post by: andrew w on 31 December, 2009, 05:54:19 pm
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2010, 04:02:04 pm
Concept2: Virtual Team Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/team/vtc.asp)
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2010, 10:10:45 pm
;D
I wasn't sick but I did feel a bit funny during the last 1000m - I averaged 1:55 or so for the final 1250m.
That'll be the effect of tapering then (no exercise of note for nearly 2 weeks).
Post by: andrew w on 05 January, 2010, 09:56:08 am
So who's up for a yacf virtual team?
Concept2: Virtual Team Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/team/vtc.asp)
I'll join you on this, if you want to set up a team. It'll give me an incentive to cross the snowbound path to the garage, where my rower is. At the moment, that 10 yards of snow and ice, and the icy temperature in the garage is doing a good job of destroying my willpower.
40:48.7 :) :-\ :-[ :-X :-X :sick:
;D
I wasn't sick but I did feel a bit funny during the last 1000m - I averaged 1:55 or so for the final 1250m.
That'll be the effect of tapering then (no exercise of note for nearly 2 weeks).
I'm not surprised you felt a bit funny. I can't manage 1:55 pace even for a 2,000 metre effort, let alone at the end of a 10,000m row!
If we're going to do the team challenge thing, let me know when you've set up a team, and I'll log on and join it. I already have an online logbook on the concept2.com website.
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2010, 10:12:02 am
Post by: MSeries on 05 January, 2010, 10:16:43 am
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2010, 10:52:38 am
Every metre counts. :thumbsup:
Post by: MSeries on 05 January, 2010, 11:27:07 am
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2010, 08:13:20 pm
However there was the added issue of our receptionist - think (.)(.) - arriving and using the rower next to me which threw my concentration a bit! :-[
Post by: mike on 05 January, 2010, 08:54:38 pm
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2010, 08:56:27 pm
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2010, 09:12:19 pm
Instructions here:
Concept2: How to Join a Team: Information for Team Members (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/team/teammember.asp)
Follow instructions from section 3. Team name is yacf, it's an open team so no need for me to confirm anyone who joins.
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2010, 09:13:17 pm
With the 17299m I've done so far we'd be in 205th place.
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2010, 09:28:15 pm
I have a horrible feeling I'm going to be the Senior in this team ::-)
Post by: andrew w on 05 January, 2010, 10:55:59 pm
Now we're placed :).
I have a horrible feeling I'm going to be the Senior in this team ::-)
I've joined now too. If you mean "senior" in the sense of oldest team member, you'll have to be going some to beat me. I'll be 60 in November 2010, and I suspect you're not that old, though I've only met you once. ;D
I should get my first row of 2010 in tomorrow, unless the weather prevents me from getting across the back garden to my garage.
Edit: I've just looked at our team details on the concept2 website - age details are revealed, and I can confirm that you are some way younger than me. :)
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2010, 11:01:22 pm
Edit: I've just looked at our team details on the concept2 website - age details are revealed, and I can confirm that you are some way younger than me. :)
So it would seem. It doesn't help my rowing ability (or lack thereof) ;)
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2010, 11:05:46 pm
Post by: simonp on 06 January, 2010, 12:30:50 am
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2010, 08:59:47 am
How does one stop the excruciating arse pain from that nasty Concept 2 seat?
Post by: mike on 06 January, 2010, 10:00:36 am
hope that helps.
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2010, 10:07:51 am
hope that helps.
Towel FTW :thumbsup:
My arse is Brooks shape these days :)
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 06 January, 2010, 01:24:48 pm
My time was a woeful 8:49. I don't think I have been that slow ever (not even the first time I had a go on an erg nearly ten years ago).
My best time ever for 2km was something like 7:12 but that was erging against other rowers as a test for crew selection (admittedly at only Senior Four level*). My best solo 2km erg was 7:28 according to my log card - that was back in 2004. Long way to go to getting that fit again. My target is to beat that time by the end of summer.
* And we were rubbish This was the same crew that earlier in the year came last in the Thames eights head race.
Edit: my paltry effort has moved us up to 198th :thumbsup:
Post by: MSeries on 06 January, 2010, 02:20:20 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 06 January, 2010, 07:32:28 pm
I could do a long stint on the ergo instead of doing the Poor Student :-\
Post by: simonp on 06 January, 2010, 07:41:15 pm
Probably should work up to that. Maybe try a 15,000 first.
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2010, 08:20:39 pm
Post by: andrew w on 06 January, 2010, 09:08:38 pm
Post by: andygates on 06 January, 2010, 09:20:12 pm
I've got three 2500m warmups a week if you want 'em...
Post by: MSeries on 06 January, 2010, 09:24:02 pm
A fat arse also helps on the seat. :thumbsup:
I've got three 2500m warmups a week if you want 'em...
every metre counts.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 06 January, 2010, 10:46:11 pm
Don't worry Wascally Weasel I don't have plans for much more paddling so I'll prop up the team with my warm ups.
I had plans for a 5km tonight but fettling my old MTB frame for tomorrow's commute won out. Fell off at the rounbdabout at Kingston Gate on the way home and decided that slick 23mm road tyres were incredibly stupid things to be riding on in the conditions.
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2010, 09:14:27 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 09 January, 2010, 07:37:15 am
Probably should work up to that. Maybe try a 15,000 first.
That is the benefit of joining these challenges. To get challenged! "Maybe try a 15,000 first"! Gulp! I'll see what I can do this afternoon. I'll be happy with 7,500.
Thanks for reminding us to log by Friday. Do we have a team target? Like stay below 200th or beat Cambridge University Alumni?
Post by: simonp on 09 January, 2010, 10:39:08 am
Probably should work up to that. Maybe try a 15,000 first.
That is the benefit of joining these challenges. To get challenged! "Maybe try a 15,000 first"! Gulp! I'll see what I can do this afternoon. I'll be happy with 7,500.
Thanks for reminding us to log by Friday. Do we have a team target? Like stay below 200th or beat Cambridge University Alumni?
I used to be unable to do 1500m let alone 15,000. Last night I did 30 mins (7282m) then did some weights and core stength exercises then did 10,000m. The reason for that is you're not supposed to hog a piece of equipment for more than 30 minutes before 7pm.
My personal goal is to do 100,000m in the month again. Once Chris gets over his flu we will shoot up the table so I'd like us to be well inside the top 200. Maybe we can be top 150.
If you're not used to doing more than 2500m then don't build up distance too rapidly. We don't want injuries. Good luck.
I'm resting today then tomorrow I'll try to do 15,000 I think.
Post by: andrew w on 09 January, 2010, 05:32:16 pm
Post by: Chris S on 09 January, 2010, 05:38:34 pm
Edit: Forget it. I had a bad night - and climbing the stairs today is enough to send me into coughing spasms. I suspect if I tried to row, I'd turn myself inside out :sick:.
Post by: andygates on 10 January, 2010, 04:32:10 pm
Hey, while thinking rowy thoughts, I've noticed that my feet pull on the straps at the end of the stroke no matter what I do. Am I just a huge thigh ox or is this a technique thing?
Post by: simonp on 10 January, 2010, 04:38:31 pm
I only rowed on Monday Tuesday Friday Sunday. Wednesday was pub, Thursday was hangover. ::-) Reckon 200,000m in the month is on now.
We're up to 172nd. Good work team. :thumbsup:
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 10 January, 2010, 05:31:31 pm
We're up to 172nd. Good work team. :thumbsup:Well done Bridget! Very impressive.
And we're above Cambridge University Alumni :)
And with Andy joining, we only need one more for an eight.
Darn it, I'm hooked.
Post by: andygates on 10 January, 2010, 05:36:32 pm
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2010, 09:45:13 pm
OI, Mike!!!
Anyway, I finally did a 15,000m row this evening. 1:04:12.5 it took. Had to keep reminding myself to slow down. :)
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2010, 09:33:40 pm
I've not done any today because my knee's been a bit achy. :(
Post by: andrew w on 12 January, 2010, 09:46:15 pm
I did my first 15,000m tonight - not as quickly as you - it took me 1:08:20.8, but I was quite pleased with that. Mentally, I'd been aiming at 1:09, so I was more or less right on target, and I didn't feel too wasted when I'd finished. I find I'm much more comfortable with the longer distances, compared with the eyeballs out effort of a 2000m. Maybe it's an age thing, partly.
Anyway, we're 174th in the rankings after my row.
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2010, 10:12:39 pm
Post by: andygates on 13 January, 2010, 08:34:55 pm
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2010, 08:39:43 pm
cough...cough...cough...cough...cough...cough...cough...cough...cough...
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Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 14 January, 2010, 09:30:09 am
Post by: andrew w on 14 January, 2010, 09:13:03 pm
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2010, 12:13:09 am
Might be having a go again tomorrow if it's fully settled down again, but I'll start with a shorter distance and see how that goes first.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 16 January, 2010, 01:20:00 pm
on account of my knee having flared up a bit.Take it easy B - I guess rowing is harder on the knee than cycling.
Did a 15000 for the first time - oh me bum muscles!
Post by: Chris S on 16 January, 2010, 01:46:21 pm
I just did 35 minutes on the turbo without expelling my lungs :thumbsup:.
All being well, I'll be back on the rower RSN.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 16 January, 2010, 02:09:39 pm
Been a bit tardy on this thing - I ought to join. 8836m last night.
Anyone near Cambridge at a loose end tomorrow and wants to see the wet end of the sport, it's the first leg of the Winter League head races (on the Cam, A14 bridge to the Green Dragon footbridge, 2.7km). I'm steering a coxless quad on the Cam for the first time; too many bends, aaargh...
Marco, Isle of Ely RC
Post by: Greenbank on 16 January, 2010, 02:10:23 pm
Might have to start knocking on the door of the vomitorium at lunch.
Post by: andrew w on 16 January, 2010, 07:12:16 pm
Did a 15000 for the first time - oh me bum muscles!
Well done! :thumbsup:
Another 10,000 from me today, and the time was a PB, so that was good. As I've remarked before, all my PBs are set in the daytime, normally on a weekend. I just don't have the same energy on an evening, even when I've only been sitting at a desk all day.
Simon - hope the knee is better soon. Don't rush back to the rower if it doesn't feel right.
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2010, 07:41:47 pm
I happened to have already booked a physio appointment for wednesday just gone, so when I broke my knee it didn't have to wait long to be seen to. She did some mobilisation work on it, which along with a bit of rest (though I did cycle to the physio, to work and home that day, due to lack of car) seems to have helped a lot. I'm apparently over-using my left leg. She reckons that the imbalance between left and right quads has got worse since I last saw her, not long after LEL, so I have to try to build up my right leg a bit over the next few weeks.
I've got to either switch back to normal tyres on the Galaxy by tomorrow, or do the 60 miles tomorrow on fixed, too. No-one else volunteered to lead the ride. And I'm at a party this evening too so there's a lack of time to get things done.
Post by: andrew w on 17 January, 2010, 08:16:09 pm
Post by: andrew w on 20 January, 2010, 09:47:39 pm
Post by: simonp on 20 January, 2010, 10:45:04 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 21 January, 2010, 08:24:48 am
I'm nursing my knee. Good work andrew and swarm_catcher in particular - we're still ahead of Cambridge Uni Alumni when I checked earlier today.Well thank you! Good work team. I'll probably fit in two/three more sessions of 7500 and if I'm not cycling the last weekend, I'll do another 15000.
A new target of 150000 for andrew deserves a 'chapeau'!
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 24 January, 2010, 03:38:44 pm
Hope you are having a good weekend.
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2010, 04:30:32 pm
Post by: Chris S on 24 January, 2010, 04:32:07 pm
Post by: andrew w on 24 January, 2010, 05:54:53 pm
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2010, 06:20:55 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 27 January, 2010, 06:04:04 pm
Post by: andrew w on 27 January, 2010, 09:35:35 pm
I did a steady 10000 last night, and another one tonight. I'm aiming to do a third one tomorrow, which will take me up to 145,000 total. I'll have Friday off, then at the weekend I'll do one more row, of at least 5000m (probably 10000) so that I get to my 150,000 target.
After that I'm hoping that I'll be able to do more cycling than rowing, but that depends on the weather, as I'm a bit of a fair-weather cyclist. :)
Post by: andygates on 28 January, 2010, 10:01:49 pm
Post by: Chris S on 29 January, 2010, 08:41:36 am
Crikey, upped the resistance a notch today and I'm feeling it. :P
In earlier threads, it was suggested to me that "about halfway" was all you need on the resistance. However - when I've mentioned my rowing to some others - they've said "Ah but, you only have the resistance half way don't you?" like I'm some kind of cheat >:(.
Halfway seems fine to me.
Post by: andrew w on 29 January, 2010, 09:42:13 am
Crikey, upped the resistance a notch today and I'm feeling it. :P
In earlier threads, it was suggested to me that "about halfway" was all you need on the resistance. However - when I've mentioned my rowing to some others - they've said "Ah but, you only have the resistance half way don't you?" like I'm some kind of cheat >:(.
Halfway seems fine to me.
The resistance on the rower is just like the gears on a bike. Choose a lower resistance and it requires less effort, but you don't go as far with each stroke. If someone does a 200k audax on a geared bike, you don't regard them as cheating if they don't do it all in their highest gear, do you? :)
FWIW, I do almost all my rowing at level 2 damper setting. I only put it up a notch if I'm doing a shorter distance at maximum effort, such as a timed 2000. Also, as I understand it, in indoor rowing competitions, you are entirely free to choose whatever damper setting you want.
Post by: MSeries on 29 January, 2010, 09:51:41 am
Post by: Marco Stefano on 29 January, 2010, 12:28:56 pm
The resistance on the rower is just like the gears on a bike. Choose a lower resistance and it requires less effort, but you don't go as far with each stroke.
Sort of... although if you can fire the muscle sequence quick enough, you will travel well at lower resistance levels. A little like lower fixed gears, you can travel at the same speed if you can spin well enough.
Lower back loading can be high at higher resistances, and is applied for a longer time each stroke. Mine was at level 4, now level 3; there is enough headwind on the river... :hand:
Post by: Panoramix on 29 January, 2010, 01:07:27 pm
Post by: Chris S on 29 January, 2010, 02:26:25 pm
Now I need FOOD!
Post by: Chris S on 30 January, 2010, 03:26:36 pm
(http://www.ivytodd.com/images/row15k.jpg)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 31 January, 2010, 11:36:13 am
Woo Hoo! My longest ever row. Didn't break any records, but it felt good!Well done Chris!
And I'm done with rowing for January. Reached 100K. Very happy.
So, thank you to Simon for putting me onto this. From a 'might as well log my 2500m stints', to doing a 15K for the first time ever, to reaching 100K for the month. And its done wonders for my weight target!
Post by: Greenbank on 31 January, 2010, 11:53:21 am
100K a month seems a very long way...
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2010, 12:13:50 pm
100K a month seems a very long way...
Meh. 10k two or three times a week. Even a fat slob like me can do 10k in about
Post by: andrew w on 31 January, 2010, 09:19:08 pm
And I'm done with rowing for January. Reached 100K. Very happy.
That's a great effort, Swarm_Catcher, well done! :thumbsup:
I did a final 10,000 tonight, to take my total for the month to 155,000. That was after a 66 mile bike ride, too.
I see that our team total has now broken the 400,000 mark, so well done, everyone! :thumbsup:
Post by: andygates on 31 January, 2010, 09:20:57 pm
I was feeling chuffed to have bumped my warm-up level from 7 to 8...
Post by: Chris S on 01 February, 2010, 09:10:25 am
Post by: simonp on 01 February, 2010, 09:29:45 am
Post by: Greenbank on 01 February, 2010, 02:44:11 pm
My hope is that I find that someone has stolen the entire gym and that I can't do either but that's very unlikely.
Post by: Greenbank on 01 February, 2010, 03:59:25 pm
2154m
24s/m
120.9W average
118 kcal used
2:29.7 per 500m
HRav: 170bpm
Only realised the damper was set at 10 until I'd already started. No-one it felt hideous for a first time in ages row! Arms definitely the first to go.
HR climbed to 166bpm after 2 minutes and then slowly rose up to 181bpm as I got hotter and hotter (also forgot to turn the fan on and point it at me).
Will do the next run with the damper set to 5 at the most, I'm not worried about people thinking it's easier, I'm doing this for myself...
It's a model C with PM2 monitor. Rumours of a new Model D with PM3 coming in a month or so...
100,000km a month challenge sounds about right to me
*goes off to update 2010 fitness goals*
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2010, 12:13:44 am
Ta, and well done. :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2010, 12:20:11 am
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 02 February, 2010, 06:44:29 am
Team: I've got to submit the team challenge results. If there are any results still to be added (must have been rowed before the end of the month) can you put them in within the next 24h then I'll submit on Wednesday.All logged on my part, thanks Bridget.
Ta, and well done. :thumbsup:
Post by: Greenbank on 02 February, 2010, 11:54:05 am
If your arms are getting very tired, technique probably is worth looking at. I found it so much easier once I'd had some tips.
Almost certainly.
I'd looked at the video posted in this thread (Thames Rowing Club is just down the road from me!) but only briefly and was too busy worrying about how hideous it feels to do a new form of exercise than concentrate on my technique.
Post by: Greenbank on 04 February, 2010, 04:42:59 pm
2154m, 24s/m, 120.9W average, 118 kcal used, 2:29.7 per 500m, HRav: 170bpm
Damper set to 5.
10:00, 2234m, 25s/min, 144.6W average, 132kcal, 2:14.3 per 500m, HRav: 172bpm
Starting to get used to it, still want to stop after a couple of minutes (nothing new there).
Post by: andygates on 07 February, 2010, 07:41:51 pm
Hywel - TTowel on TriTalk - just nabbed the 100k world record. :)
Post by: Chris S on 09 February, 2010, 09:43:39 am
Once warmed up, if I just aim to keep a consistent form, I seem to fall into a 2:20/500 28spm rhythm that I can sustain. If I close my eyes and "zone out" to the mp3 music, I just seem to maintain this rate naturally.
Anyone else have this effect?
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2010, 10:15:34 am
Post by: andygates on 09 February, 2010, 01:18:53 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 09 February, 2010, 01:52:02 pm
as I've trained myself to have a slower rhythm.Do I need to train myself to go slower? I'm usually at 30spm. If I go slower I lose interest.
Mind you, I've stopped doing the January challenge type sessions and am doing intervals now, still at 30-31spm.
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2010, 06:06:44 pm
as I've trained myself to have a slower rhythm.Do I need to train myself to go slower? I'm usually at 30spm. If I go slower I loose interest.
Mind you, I've stopped doing the January challenge type sessions and am doing intervals now, still at 30-31spm.
Rowing machines (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15812.msg295522#msg295522)
And I'm still pulling faster than mike suggests at 24spm (though I've found I'm quite happy at 20spm, but I tend to lose focus and allow it to creep up).
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 09 February, 2010, 08:06:35 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 15 February, 2010, 02:15:22 pm
I concentrated at keeping the rate and pretty much ignored my power output while not slacking too much. Turns out that if found 30 SPM interval really fast!
Post by: Chris S on 16 February, 2010, 12:47:06 pm
My punishment is to try and beat my 5000m time today. That means better than 2:10 splits; which I find hard going. God knows what's going to happen. I'd better have a bucket handy... :sick:
Edit: Done. 21:36.2 which is a good deal faster than my best. No bucket required - but I'm toast! Now then - lead me to them pancakes :thumbsup:.
Post by: simonp on 18 February, 2010, 12:49:09 am
It's good to be back. :D
Post by: RichForrest on 18 February, 2010, 10:42:33 am
I'm finding a natural rhythm at about 36spm with the setting on 7, but to keep it in the 20s would feel like I'm hardly doing anything.
Admittedly I'm only doing 10 minutes as a warm up and not trying to do distance stuff, yet ;D
Post by: Marco Stefano on 18 February, 2010, 12:30:16 pm
Last night, Model C with damper on 3:
- warm up for gym & weights, 15 mins at 20spm, last 5 mins 10 strokes race pace & pressure every min.
- ended session with 15 mins at 16spm, splits about 2:10, about 75% full pressure.
Helps in developing power per stroke, relaxation on recovery and ramping pressure up quickly at the catch without jarring the lower back (says the theory). Usually do this low rate stuff for 40 mins+ in an ergo session in 10 min blocks with no rest, changing rate every 2 mins (e.g. 16/18/16/18/16, or 16/18/20/18/16) to avoid falling aslee...zzzzzzzzz
Post by: Chris S on 18 February, 2010, 12:45:55 pm
But - this is only what I've gleaned from watching You Tube videos - so it could all be wrong!
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 18 February, 2010, 01:44:33 pm
I've started using one at the gym. How do you keep it under 30spm? apart from just slowing downHi Rich,
I'm finding a natural rhythm at about 36spm with the setting on 7, but to keep it in the 20s would feel like I'm hardly doing anything.
Admittedly I'm only doing 10 minutes as a warm up and not trying to do distance stuff, yet ;D
I wondered the same only recently, because I always row at around 30spm. Then I did this 'daily work' out from Concept2: ROW 40 MINUTES, ALTERNATING STROKE RATE EVERY 5 MINUTES FROM 18 SPM TO 24 SPM TO 30 SPM. Although I found the first 5 mins at 18spm hard to do, at the end I found 30spm really fast. I was surprised.
The way I made it work was by counting on recovery. So you take the first stroke, and recover ... 1 2 3 4. As soon as I thought I had the hang of this and stopped counting, my stroke rate went up. Then I would count recovery to 5 to get back on track (I was even counting faster!).
Post by: simonp on 18 February, 2010, 02:55:01 pm
Post by: Chris S on 22 February, 2010, 05:24:48 pm
I may switch days so 10,000m day isn't on push-up day.
Post by: simonp on 01 March, 2010, 09:43:50 pm
I have blisters again. :hand:
Post by: simonp on 01 March, 2010, 09:47:25 pm
Concept2: March Madness (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/marchmadness.asp)
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Choose from two levels of participation:
* The Basic Challenge: Row or ski 5000 meters each day for 25 days or more in March.
* The Advanced Challenge: Row or ski 10,000 meters each day for 25 days or more in March.
I guess getting 10,000m in on 1st March (before I saw the challenge) was a mistake wasn't it? Now I only have 24 more to do.
Post by: rower40 on 06 March, 2010, 02:02:44 pm
I put my boat on the water for the first time this year. I did 6 miles, mostly very slowly. But I was still faster than the Men's Novice 8.
[Litany of excuses follows]
Bad weather (snow, ice), river too high/too fast, insufficient supplies of get-up-and-row, new rules forbidding single-sculling at night. (I'm still very cross about the last of these - I go out cycling instead, and which activity has a larger risk of serious injury?)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 07 March, 2010, 03:38:57 pm
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2010, 03:56:28 pm
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
No chance. I did another 10K on Wednesday. Swimming club thursday, rest day Friday, 200k yesterday, lazy day today. I can't get more than about two 10K rows in a week with everything else.
Post by: mike on 07 March, 2010, 03:59:59 pm
<Woohoo!>
I put my boat on the water for the first time this year. I did 6 miles, mostly very slowly. But I was still faster than the Men's Novice 8.
[Litany of excuses follows]
Bad weather (snow, ice), river too high/too fast, insufficient supplies of get-up-and-row, new rules forbidding single-sculling at night. (I'm still very cross about the last of these - I go out cycling instead, and which activity has a larger risk of serious injury?)
very envious! I sold mine about 4 years ago and still regret it. I never went out in the dark though :)
Post by: FatBloke on 07 March, 2010, 04:04:57 pm
...new rules forbidding single-sculling at night. (I'm still very cross about the last of these - I go out cycling instead, and which activity has a larger risk of serious injury?)
Not many people get drownded whilst cycling (apart from Nutty!). ;D
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2010, 08:28:58 pm
Now I only have 24 more to do.How is it going B?
No chance. I did another 10K on Wednesday. Swimming club thursday, rest day Friday, 200k yesterday, lazy day today. I can't get more than about two 10K rows in a week with everything else.
It might be a bit easier if the gym was a bit closer to home and didn't close at 2pm at the weekend. David Lloyd is only about 1 1/4 miles from home, but is about 3x the price of the gym on the science park. But with the hours I keep (working on the late side of our flexible hours) and I leave work at 7pm, a gym that closes at 9pm is very annoying also. I finished Wednesday's rowing at 8.53pm, no time for a shower, so cycled all sweaty to meet up with colleagues at the pub. ::-) A colleague has just joined the David Lloyd one and reports it closes at 11.30pm.
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2010, 10:21:14 pm
Post by: andrew w on 10 March, 2010, 01:03:50 pm
10,000m today. Took it nice and slow - 43:41.0 in the end.
I did 43:45.8 on Saturday, and I thought that was quite quick! Not quite a PB, but not all that far off it. :(
Post by: andygates on 10 March, 2010, 04:15:54 pm
Now, how well does C2 rowing translate into kayak..?
Post by: Chris S on 10 March, 2010, 04:29:09 pm
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2010, 12:41:22 am
10,000m today. Took it nice and slow - 43:41.0 in the end.
I did 43:45.8 on Saturday, and I thought that was quite quick! Not quite a PB, but not all that far off it. :(
Ah right sorry about that. Average power of 155W. Which is right at the bottom end of the aerobic endurance training zone for me.
I used to find not much faster really challenging. I'm really noticing the difference from the amount of cycling I'm doing now.
Post by: simonp on 11 March, 2010, 12:58:16 am
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
We are now. Thanks for the pointer. Everyone who wants to take part will need to sign up for the challenge as well.
Post by: andrew w on 11 March, 2010, 09:11:25 am
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
We are now. Thanks for the pointer. Everyone who wants to take part will need to sign up for the challenge as well.
I've just signed up for this. It will give me an incentive to keep on rowing as the evenings get lighter. I probably won't do as much as I did in the last challenge, but I might manage 10,000 metres 3 times a week.
Quote from: Bridget
Ah right sorry about that. Average power of 155W. Which is right at the bottom end of the aerobic endurance training zone for me.
I used to find not much faster really challenging. I'm really noticing the difference from the amount of cycling I'm doing now.
That's OK, I was only jesting. I think it's an age thing, partly - VO2 max gradually declines with age, and I'm 59 now. Maybe I could have have gone quicker 20 years ago, although I didn't actually do any rowing then. :)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 11 March, 2010, 01:47:53 pm
Post by: Chris S on 11 March, 2010, 02:33:48 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 12 March, 2010, 12:28:36 pm
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Is this a Concept 2 thing? Can't find any reference to it - can someone point me in the right direction, please? Ta.
Blisters, Bridget - get wrists set so that line down forearm and hand is straight at the catch, & keep handle in light grip with fingers & thumb so that the palm does not really contact the grip. Hey presto, no blisters.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 12 March, 2010, 12:36:08 pm
Post by: simonp on 12 March, 2010, 02:50:25 pm
Mr YACF Team Cap'n Sir?
World Rowing Challenge - 15 March to 15 April.
Are we?
Is this a Concept 2 thing? Can't find any reference to it - can someone point me in the right direction, please? Ta.
Blisters, Bridget - get wrists set so that line down forearm and hand is straight at the catch, & keep handle in light grip with fingers & thumb so that the palm does not really contact the grip. Hey presto, no blisters.
I started doing that. It's stopped the palm blisters but when I'm not used to rowing I get blisters on the middle and 4th fingers, but not as bad.
Post by: Greenbank on 12 March, 2010, 02:53:46 pm
Hopefully the new Concept II model D will have a PM3 or PM4 instead of the old one with a PM2.
I could do with doing 2000m to sweat out the remains of my hangover.
Post by: Greenbank on 15 March, 2010, 09:29:56 am
The work gym refurbishment should have been done (Wed/Thu this week) so I may go down and see what it's like.
Hopefully the new Concept II model D will have a PM3 or PM4 instead of the old one with a PM2.
Hurrah! It's a PM3! Think I may go for 5000m today if I can find the time...
(And the two treadmills were broken but at least it's now maintained equipment so we can get them fixed quickly.)
Post by: Greenbank on 15 March, 2010, 03:52:55 pm
The plan on doing 100,000m a month seems rather daunting, but the plan (again) is to see if I can get 'properly fit' this year. :-/
Post by: simonp on 16 March, 2010, 09:31:40 pm
Post by: simonp on 16 March, 2010, 09:33:16 pm
Post by: andrew w on 16 March, 2010, 09:51:56 pm
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2010, 10:12:01 pm
Post by: andrew w on 25 March, 2010, 10:05:28 pm
I passed a small personal milestone on the rower just now, as tonight's row took me past 500,000m since I took up rowing again last November. So that's at least 100k a month for the past 5 months. I'm quite pleased with that, though I really don't know how much good it's done me.
Post by: Chris S on 25 March, 2010, 10:20:00 pm
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2010, 12:31:01 am
I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
+1
However, I think I will be having an easier week next week on the bike, and no swimming club for a while so will try to do more then.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 26 March, 2010, 07:01:09 am
Same here, and I'm doing the rowing sessions for the sake of clocking meters, at the cost of resistance training and core work. I'm going to put that right from today. Mind you I'm doing the Dean tomorrow, so maybe a light swim would be good. See you there B?I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
+1
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2010, 01:19:51 pm
Same here, and I'm doing the rowing sessions for the sake of clocking meters, at the cost of resistance training and core work. I'm going to put that right from today. Mind you I'm doing the Dean tomorrow, so maybe a light swim would be good. See you there B?I'm finding it tough to get enough time. More cycling, less gym/rowing time.
+1
Yup, bright and early tomorrow morning. Will be trying to get round a bit faster than in 2008. ::-)
Post by: RichForrest on 26 March, 2010, 01:49:38 pm
I must find my mp3 player though if I find myself doing more. 10 minutes is about long enough on it while only looking at a wall.
Post by: simonp on 26 March, 2010, 01:55:27 pm
However, even then I prefer to have some music on. I don't tend to like the music in the gym, though I did discover "In for the Kill" there.
Post by: rower40 on 27 March, 2010, 02:27:10 pm
I've told them we're meeting at 9am tomorrow, not 8am. Because 8am will feel like 7am!
Post by: Manotea on 02 April, 2010, 12:05:16 am
Post by: simonp on 05 April, 2010, 02:16:43 pm
In which case, it might be the impetus I need to go find out about expensiveGym since it's much more convenient for home.
Post by: mattc on 05 April, 2010, 03:18:16 pm
Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
Post by: rower40 on 06 April, 2010, 10:54:48 pm
It's one of these (http://www.carldouglas.co.uk/index-m.html). Yes, it does look nice. Pity about the sack of s**t that pretends to be the engine. I only did 4 miles today, in quite a strong wind against the stream (causing waves).Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
Post by: mike on 07 April, 2010, 10:37:07 am
It's one of these (http://www.carldouglas.co.uk/index-m.html). Yes, it does look nice. Pity about the sack of s**t that pretends to be the engine. I only did 4 miles today, in quite a strong wind against the stream (causing waves).Another 5 miles, bright sunshine but blustery wind. River was a bit higher than normal, and quite swirly.Your rowing machine is outdoors?!? Still, sounds like you have a nice view ...
wind from the north at Ely? Always a joy, I've been swamped a couple of times up there..
Post by: Marco Stefano on 07 April, 2010, 07:08:12 pm
Still, we should be short of Cambridge launches for a while, so there's another few wave machines gone... :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 26 April, 2010, 05:05:08 pm
My contribution was not so good. :(
Did a 10,000 last week but not getting much time to row at the moment.
Post by: Manotea on 04 June, 2010, 01:09:14 pm
Made a tadge harder as it followed a 50km outing on the bike in the morning. I can sure feel it in my quads/hams when I row after cycling.
Post by: simonp on 09 June, 2010, 10:35:54 pm
Post by: simonp on 25 June, 2010, 09:45:31 pm
Post by: simonp on 30 June, 2010, 08:33:28 pm
39:52.6 :o
Obviously, that was too slow, so I went for it tonight from the start, and did 39:29.3. :-[ :-[ :-X :-X :-X :sick: ;D
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 07 July, 2010, 04:13:43 pm
Clicky (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/dogdays.asp)
Post by: simonp on 07 July, 2010, 04:15:06 pm
Anyone doing Dog Day of Summer in August?
Clicky (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/dogdays.asp)
I won't be - I'm riding the Mille Miglia Italia and that would be crazy to do around that.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 07 July, 2010, 10:30:38 pm
Quite right Simon, good luck in Italy!Anyone doing Dog Day of Summer in August?
Clicky (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/dogdays.asp)
I won't be - I'm riding the Mille Miglia Italia and that would be crazy to do around that.
Post by: andygates on 08 July, 2010, 09:50:13 am
Post by: Manotea on 28 July, 2010, 11:00:12 pm
How anybody does 10km on an erg, god only knows. All I can say is they must be made of sterner stuff then me to stay focused for that long.
Post by: Panoramix on 28 July, 2010, 11:42:06 pm
Post by: simonp on 28 July, 2010, 11:50:19 pm
I was very disappointed to see Simon ignoring the rowing machine which was available at the sleep stop of the Mille Cymry ;D
I have to admit to thinking about having a go, but reasoned my knees wouldn't thank me.
Post by: simonp on 28 July, 2010, 11:52:33 pm
A 7:50 2km tonight, probably my best ever Such As It Is.
How anybody does 10km on an erg, god only knows. All I can say is they must be made of sterner stuff then me to stay focused for that long.
iPod. Raconteurs albums. Receptionist from work with the big boobs not helpful. I changed gym.
Post by: Manotea on 04 August, 2010, 10:38:00 pm
Post by: simonp on 04 August, 2010, 10:43:41 pm
Post by: mike on 05 August, 2010, 08:20:58 am
Struggled through a 2k a couple of weeks back in 7.28, about a minute off my best from 10 years ago.
Post by: Chris S on 18 August, 2010, 08:57:21 am
In case anyone was wondering, a fixed SR doesn't do anything to maintain rowing fitness. Just did the first 5,000m session since April. Ugh... that was rough. Exactly 23m, so slow as well as painful.
Ah well, the only way is up...
Post by: FatBloke on 22 August, 2010, 11:31:43 am
11 years ago I did a 6:54 for 2000m that gave me a world ranking of 124th.
I think I will be much lower down now! :-\
Post by: Manotea on 22 August, 2010, 08:02:30 pm
Too late now. Sob.
Post by: simonp on 22 August, 2010, 08:07:38 pm
I find it much easier now. :)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 27 August, 2010, 02:18:07 pm
Post by: Chris S on 30 August, 2010, 07:51:25 pm
I ranked myself for 10,000m today on the Concept 2 logbook.
302 out of 345 in my rank (50-59 yrs). >:(
I have some work to do. HTF do you do 10k in 35 mins? :o
Post by: Manotea on 30 August, 2010, 08:00:08 pm
Dear oh dear...
I ranked myself for 10,000m today on the Concept 2 logbook.
302 out of 345 in my rank (50-59 yrs). >:(
I have some work to do. HTF do you do 10k in 35 mins? :o
I'll let you know as soon as I do!
Post by: simonp on 30 August, 2010, 08:12:24 pm
Dear oh dear...
I ranked myself for 10,000m today on the Concept 2 logbook.
302 out of 345 in my rank (50-59 yrs). >:(
I have some work to do. HTF do you do 10k in 35 mins? :o
You maintain a shade over 300 Watts for 35 minutes.
Never gonna happen.
For my PB of 39:29 I would have had to maintain 211 Watts for that time.
Calculators here:
Concept2: Watts Calculator (http://www.concept2.com/us/interactive/calculators/watts.asp)
Put in your target time and distance into the pace calculator, work out the pace, put that into the Watts calculator, then give up and have a beer.
Post by: andygates on 30 August, 2010, 08:15:08 pm
Post by: simonp on 30 August, 2010, 08:31:59 pm
I was probably pretty knackered at the time as it was done 3 days after cycling about 320km round trip to/from a 200 and in the middle of my Hyper Randonneur series.
Post by: Chris S on 31 August, 2010, 06:24:25 pm
6705m, which according to my ranking is this: Crap.
Lots more work to do in the coming months - I would at least like to reach the "average" for my ranking (7042m).
Post by: Manotea on 08 September, 2010, 01:46:29 am
Post by: campagman on 14 September, 2010, 08:43:53 pm
Post by: Chris S on 14 September, 2010, 09:12:32 pm
For a constant HR - rowing is MUCH harder than cycling for me. If I row to a HR of 150, I'm right on the ragid edge, sweating profusely, and in the end it's unsustainable. If I cycle at 150, I can keep it up for hours - on road, or on turbo - and still be conversational.
Equally, what is a "Workout" on the rower (130-150bpm), is a "Warmup" on the turbo.
Post by: simonp on 14 September, 2010, 09:18:24 pm
5k in 20:15 this evening, another world record. A couple of minutes better than last time out and a much more controlled effort compared with my previous 'fall off the machine & crawl into an iron lung' finish. Could have got under 20 minutes as I was actutally pacing myself for 10k but I rather lost the will to live at the half way point. The question is not so much 'how does anybody row 10k in 35 minutes but rather 'how does anybody row for 35 minutes because it is so incredibly boring'.
iPod. Use a machine facing the treadmills. etc.
Post by: simonp on 14 September, 2010, 09:20:56 pm
OK, so I only did this once, and I was heading for hypoxia at 185bpm during the final 500m.
My theory: It uses more muscle groups and can thus load your system harder, since muscle fatigue then becomes less of an issue as the load is more evenly spread.
Post by: Chris S on 14 September, 2010, 09:21:08 pm
iPod. Use a machine facing the treadmills. etc.
Depends who is on the treadmills.
Nobody likes a fat bloke in lycra on a rowing machine, sporting a semi. :sick:
Post by: simonp on 14 September, 2010, 09:52:26 pm
iPod. Use a machine facing the treadmills. etc.
Depends who is on the treadmills.
Nobody likes a fat bloke in lycra on a rowing machine, sporting a semi. :sick:
Who are you calling fat? >:(
Post by: Manotea on 23 September, 2010, 11:00:37 pm
Post by: Chris S on 23 September, 2010, 11:03:45 pm
19:50 for 5k tonight. Controlled but still working too hard to relax into longer efforts.
Way faster than me. Ease up a bit, and adopt the randonneur's 1,000 yard stare and 10K can be yours easy enough.
Post by: simonp on 23 September, 2010, 11:24:57 pm
The 39:29 was scary. I felt really odd during the final 250m.
Post by: Chris S on 23 September, 2010, 11:27:51 pm
You youngsters... ::-)
Post by: simonp on 23 September, 2010, 11:32:58 pm
Post by: Manotea on 27 September, 2010, 10:04:14 pm
Post by: simonp on 27 September, 2010, 10:06:46 pm
Ahem. 40:50.
Not at all bad!
Post by: Chris S on 28 September, 2010, 06:06:51 pm
Back to back 200s is not good for rowing form ::-).
Post by: simonp on 28 September, 2010, 06:22:49 pm
This may go towards explaining why I was overtrained and my face kept peeling off until about a month ago.
Post by: simonp on 08 October, 2010, 08:38:29 pm
Post by: Manotea on 11 October, 2010, 11:15:45 pm
Also my second 10k ever...
Post by: simonp on 11 October, 2010, 11:21:31 pm
So, I just did 42 lengths of the pool tonight.
Post by: simonp on 10 November, 2010, 12:37:24 am
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 10 November, 2010, 06:43:44 am
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
Me, why not! ... must make a note of the start date ...
Post by: Chris S on 10 November, 2010, 08:09:15 am
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
OK. :thumbsup:
Post by: andrew w on 13 November, 2010, 09:21:34 pm
Remember this?
Concept2: Holiday Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/holchal.asp)
Well, it's that time of year again. Who's up for spending the month leading up to Christmas killing themselves on the rowing machine?
The PM2 monitor on my machine has recently died on me. I've ordered a PM3 (for £200, ouch!) and I hope to get it fitted shortly. As long as I can get it to work OK, I'll be signing up for this.
Post by: simonp on 14 November, 2010, 12:55:59 am
Post by: Manotea on 14 November, 2010, 05:43:03 am
Post by: simonp on 14 November, 2010, 10:26:18 am
Post by: simonp on 15 November, 2010, 11:48:26 pm
Post by: Manotea on 16 November, 2010, 11:02:21 pm
Post by: Chris S on 16 November, 2010, 11:04:32 pm
5K tonight mostly around 2:07. Finished circa 21:00.
Top work Mr O'Tea. And Simon.
Now - are we making a team for the November challenge thingy?
Post by: Manotea on 16 November, 2010, 11:23:13 pm
5K tonight mostly around 2:07. Finished circa 21:00.
Top work Mr O'Tea. And Simon.
Now - are we making a team for the November challenge thingy?
Happy to but I'll not be starting until 30th Nov and I'll lose another couple of days in December.
Post by: simonp on 16 November, 2010, 11:35:14 pm
Legs <===== heavy.
Post by: mike on 16 November, 2010, 11:36:38 pm
still hate the damn machines. Not sure i've got the mental steel to get beyond 2k any more.
Post by: saturn on 17 November, 2010, 09:43:59 am
I only ever do 1km, just making sure I do it in under 5 mins because I only go on the rower for a break between other things. Typically I do 20 mins bike, circuit of the weights machines, 5 mins rowing, 10 mins cross trainer or maybe treadmill, another weights circuit, 20 mins bike max effort.
I've no specific objective just general fitness, improving cycling endurance and introducing a bit of balance to counteract concentrating on cycling. Would I benefit from more time / effort rowing? Should I start by doing 1km faster or increase the distance first? BTW, to do the 1km in 4:30 requires a hard effort and I wouldn't be able to continue for much longer at that pace. I don't mind dropping the cross trainer in favour of more rowing but I still want to do the other stuff so I don't want the rowing to reduce me to jelly and I can't see me ever doing anything like 5km but if someone wants to try to sell it to me, go ahead.
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
Post by: Manotea on 17 November, 2010, 10:11:03 am
The holiday challenge is a individual thing but we can track/communicate using the club affiliation YACF and/or by liting each other a training buddies through our individual profile.
The team registration only applies to team challenges, the next one running through Jan2011.
I've also a forum (of course) which you register to separately. The question is whether to have a TeamYACF thread over there or continue to chat here, or a bit of both.
Post by: Chris S on 17 November, 2010, 10:13:59 am
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
There's a sequence here: Cross Training: Rowing (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg535589#msg535589)
Post by: Manotea on 17 November, 2010, 10:35:58 am
OK, I've read a good chunk of this thread, wondering if I should give it a go so sell it to me!
I only ever do 1km, just making sure I do it in under 5 mins because I only go on the rower for a break between other things. Typically I do 20 mins bike, circuit of the weights machines, 5 mins rowing, 10 mins cross trainer or maybe treadmill, another weights circuit, 20 mins bike max effort.
I've no specific objective just general fitness, improving cycling endurance and introducing a bit of balance to counteract concentrating on cycling. Would I benefit from more time / effort rowing? Should I start by doing 1km faster or increase the distance first? BTW, to do the 1km in 4:30 requires a hard effort and I wouldn't be able to continue for much longer at that pace. I don't mind dropping the cross trainer in favour of more rowing but I still want to do the other stuff so I don't want the rowing to reduce me to jelly and I can't see me ever doing anything like 5km but if someone wants to try to sell it to me, go ahead.
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
Hi Saturn.
IANARower.
I mostly use the erg as a warmup before moving on to the weights in the gym, mostly core and upper body stuff as riding fixed gives my legs all the exercise they need. I mostly do 2km (~8:00) and occaisionly a 5 (21:00) or 10 (42:00). It has taken me about 8months to work up to this level, and it was a struggle to do 1km when I started. My target/approach was first to acheive the distance and then work on time/working harder. I find using the erg is as much about mental strength as workrate. Focusing on technique makes every stroke so much more efficient but requires concentration which is hard to maintain at lower fitness levels. Happily as you get fitter and technique improves it gets easier, so that you 'relax' into the session and time goe by more quickly, but 5km is till a challenge and 10k a real test (I've only done a couple of 10s so far). Doubtless some will say that if its getting eaier then I'm not working hard enough! I think I'm just about fit enough to follow the Workout of the Day on the concept2 website and will use this as the basis for the January team challenge.
Post by: Manotea on 17 November, 2010, 10:44:22 am
Oh yes, one more question, I couldn't see any reference to resistance level above - how do you decide what resistance level to use?
There's a sequence here: Cross Training: Rowing (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg535589#msg535589)
Hmm, I use level '8'...
Post by: simonp on 17 November, 2010, 10:51:44 am
For my age/weight/sex group the 25th centile is 19:45. So yesterday's 19:41 is not stellar.
Post by: saturn on 17 November, 2010, 12:15:50 pm
Maybe lower resistance will make the jump from 1km to 2km more palatable so I'll try 2km at level 4 and then work on trying to improve whatever time that brings in. I guess lower resistance will also mean it'll be less likely to impact on other exercises afterwards too.
Post by: simonp on 17 November, 2010, 12:37:33 pm
Post by: Panoramix on 17 November, 2010, 12:50:42 pm
In rowing clubs they start coaching you how to use your legs and body and then make you increase the rate. A good amateur crew will rate 30 spm at "cruising speed" with everybody still pushing hard on their legs. Sprinting is generally achieved by increasing the rate and force output jointly.
I haven't rowed for ages so I am now just an armchair rower ;)
Post by: simonp on 17 November, 2010, 01:26:24 pm
Post by: saturn on 17 November, 2010, 02:35:36 pm
Post by: mike on 17 November, 2010, 02:41:04 pm
If you can be arsed, try and find the Drag Factor buried in the settings and follow instructions (you just take a couple of strokes), anything from 100-120 is 'normal'.
or just put it on 4.
Dropping from 8 - 4 will feel weird at first but if you really think about using legs, not your arms then it does get easier (promise)
Post by: Manotea on 18 November, 2010, 02:16:28 pm
Did another 5km last night, around 21m again. Thats three in a row. Gosh.
Started on level 4 but poked it back to 8 before 200m because it felt too much like hard work from a CV point of view.
Edit: I think I'm going to have to have another look at my technique to make level 4 work.
Post by: simonp on 18 November, 2010, 08:46:38 pm
I used to find it very hard and would have my HR in the 170s (when 10+ years younger) doing paces much slower than 2:00/500m.
I got some technique advice from a colleague who's a rower.
Now I will do 2:04/500m and my HR averages around 150-155 over 5000m. It does creep up during the workout, but my pace tends to also as I get more into it.
Nowadays maintaining 1:57ish puts my HR in the mid-170s. So that's easier than, say, climbing the Devil's Staircase.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 19 November, 2010, 09:16:00 am
If you have not rowed much before and that at higher drag levels, reducing the drag can make it tricky to maintain the same split times as muscles need to fire in turn more quickly at the same rating. Higher drag can be hard on the lower back though, particularly on C2 ergos (rather than WaterRowers or Rowperfects).
I would suggest using drag factor around 110-120 (probably about 4 or 5 on the fan damper setting) and trying some low rating stuff (16 - 18 strokes a min) to train your leg muscles to push harder; lower drag gives some resistance to push against at the start of the stroke, but you can accelerate into the stroke more quickly than with higher drag.
Bizarrely, some studies have shown that short (<1 min) flat out interval training can have a significant effect on endurance. Not sure if it crosses from rowing to cycling. Although both are leg-pushing sports, I think rowing uses more gluteals, and cycling quadriceps (there may be an exercise physiologist along soon to blow that one out of the water...)
Hope that helps, have fun...
Marco (Isle of Ely RC)
Post by: saturn on 19 November, 2010, 09:40:12 am
Post by: saturn on 20 November, 2010, 05:17:20 pm
I was pleased I managed to maintain the same pace that I've been doing 1km at, didn't feel like I would be able to at 1km but managed to keep it up.
Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2010, 09:37:48 pm
Post by: andrew w on 26 November, 2010, 08:49:26 am
Post by: simonp on 26 November, 2010, 12:15:50 pm
I started my "Holiday Challenge" metres off last night with 7000 metres in 30:54.1. That's 500m pace of 2:12.4, which I didn't think was too bad for a row in freezing conditions - the rowing machine is in my detached unheated garage. I had the damper on 3, which is about normal for me, and I was rowing at about 24 spm.
I haven't started yet. I still have a slightly productive cough in the mornings and green snot.
Post by: simonp on 28 November, 2010, 08:50:03 pm
So that is 14299m and puts me ahead of schedule. :)
Post by: Manotea on 29 November, 2010, 12:52:07 am
Are you sure that 299m counts, simonp? Surely it's just an overdistance 7km!
Post by: simonp on 29 November, 2010, 12:58:07 am
Having grabbed a lift home from the AUK AGM, I opened my account this afternoon with 8km.
Are you sure that 299m counts, simonp? Surely it's just an overdistance 7km!
It's not Audax!
Yes, all metres count. It's not a 7km it's a 30 minute row (ie fixed time, not fixed distance) which is one of the standard workouts that can be ranked on the concept ii website.
(Just in case, I checked. The total shown is 14,299m)
Post by: saturn on 29 November, 2010, 11:11:29 pm
OK my initial benchmark for 2km is 9:53. I used drag level 4....
9:42 tonight, still on drag level 4, tried to lengthen the strokes but, except a bit of a spurt for the final 200m, I maintained a steady 33-36 s/m throughout so clearly I'm still doing something wrong. Might try putting the drag up just a bit, I'm trying to do most of the work with my legs but it doesn't feel like they're doing enough, as though there's not enough resistance :-\
Post by: Panoramix on 29 November, 2010, 11:24:07 pm
OK my initial benchmark for 2km is 9:53. I used drag level 4....
9:42 tonight, still on drag level 4, tried to lengthen the strokes but, except a bit of a spurt for the final 200m, I maintained a steady 33-36 s/m throughout so clearly I'm still doing something wrong. Might try putting the drag up just a bit, I'm trying to do most of the work with my legs but it doesn't feel like they're doing enough, as though there's not enough resistance :-\
This is a classic symptom of the back not being stiff enough. You push with your legs but all the energy goes in curving your back. You must sit up with your shoulders slightly backwards and keep the back straight during the stroke as if it was stiff.
Post by: simonp on 30 November, 2010, 12:15:18 am
I've done more than 1/5 the challenge and it's only taken 3 days. Now I thinking of trying to do the 200,000m challenge...
Post by: saturn on 30 November, 2010, 08:18:04 am
I'm struggling to see how this will make me quicker though. As well as preventing injury, I can see that better technique might enable me to maintain a given stroke rate for a given time at a higher resistance (thus improving speed) but I just can't figure out how it'll make me quicker while reducing the stroke rate at a low resistance given that if anything it will shorten the length of the stroke. This is what leads me to believe I need to use a higher resistance but get the technique right so I don't hurt my lower back.
Post by: Panoramix on 30 November, 2010, 12:55:33 pm
Thanks Panoramix I'll pay more attention to that. I'd previously been trying to follow this rowing technique video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA) but while the straight back is mentioned it's not so obvious as in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IsN_nOQYc) which is helpful.
I'm struggling to see how this will make me quicker though. As well as preventing injury, I can see that better technique might enable me to maintain a given stroke rate for a given time at a higher resistance (thus improving speed) but I just can't figure out how it'll make me quicker while reducing the stroke rate at a low resistance given that if anything it will shorten the length of the stroke. This is what leads me to believe I need to use a higher resistance but get the technique right so I don't hurt my lower back.
The logic behind is that if you push the seat backward by a certain amount with your legs, you want your shoulders travel the same distance. If you don't have a "strong" back, back flexes reducing the travel of your shoulders so you have say 3 inches left and the rest is lost in deforming your back.
To train the best is to start at say 15 strokes per minutes. Seat on the machine, flex your legs, sit up (seat is forward) then push on your legs making sure your body is completely rigid (except the legs of course), once your legs are straight, use you stomach muscles to lean backward - by now arms and legs stay straight - and once you feel like you are close to fall backward finish the stroke by pulling on your arms. Keep the leg, stomach muscle and arm actions separate don't worry about the split time, focus on keeping the three actions separate and feel the force in the chord travelling from your hands to your feet.
Once you are a bit more confident carry on with the same motion pushing as hard as you can as if you were trying to break the foot rests; you should see the split time going down dramatically (with the same stroke rate).
Once you master this, up the rate; at some point you will loose the coordination, don't panic just go down a few strokes per minutes and everything will go back together. After a few months 35 strokes per minute will feel "natural".
You may have attended one of these H&S training when they teach you to avoid back injuries by lifting with a straight back pushing on your leg, the feeling is somehow similar. When you feel the pressure under your feet it means you are doing things right.
My PB in 2003 for a 2k was 7:05 after just 6 months of serious training and having just stopped smoking so I guess that the coaching was good! I have stopped because of other commitments but I am sure that I would eventually have broken the 6:50 barrier when people start to actually want you in their boat!
Post by: simonp on 30 November, 2010, 09:34:56 pm
Post by: mike on 30 November, 2010, 09:55:42 pm
Thanks Panoramix I'll pay more attention to that. I'd previously been trying to follow this rowing technique video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA) but while the straight back is mentioned it's not so obvious as in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IsN_nOQYc) which is helpful.
that second video is awful technique.. please dont pay too much attention to it. The first one is massively better.
to go faster, do more work with your legs. Dont try and pull harder with your arms, think about getting into the catch position right (like at 7:09 in the first video), very gently take up the load with the first couple of inches of travel of the seat, then spring off the toes, thinking about feeling the work up your (straight) arms and through to the back of your shoulder. Then repeat for hours.
Dont try and rate 30 ish unless you're racing. Seriously, 20-24 at a load of about 5 is absolutely plenty, if you get the spring right. It is hard though, and needs very good timing between leg drive, body swing and arms. Is there a rowing club anywhere near you that you could go to for some coaching? Most will have someone very, very happy to spend 5 minutes with you even if you dont want to get in a boat (but you should.. it's amazing)
there are some great gym ergo technique tips here:
Something about rowing..?: Intensely annoying people 2 - People failing at erging properly in gyms (http://somethingaboutrowing.blogspot.com/2010/10/intensely-annoying-people-2-people.html)
(may contain sarcasm)
Post by: saturn on 30 November, 2010, 11:02:32 pm
Anyway, thanks for your patience with me going over the basics, I can see that this thread has been going for a while and you've all moved on beyond this stuff so I appreciate your advice.
Post by: simonp on 30 November, 2010, 11:12:10 pm
My arms used to get pumped by rowing. Now, they don't. I was over using them. Though 10k still does a bit.
Post by: Chris S on 02 December, 2010, 03:24:44 pm
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Post by: Panoramix on 02 December, 2010, 04:27:55 pm
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks pretty good to me. May be you can use a bit more your body to achieve a longer stroke.
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 December, 2010, 05:40:24 pm
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
If you'd done that nude you could have out-Hulvered Hulver! :thumbsup:
Post by: Chris S on 02 December, 2010, 05:52:30 pm
If you'd done that nude you could have out-Hulvered Hulver! :thumbsup:
LOL! Everyone can be enormously relieved that didn't occur to me.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 02 December, 2010, 10:05:40 pm
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks pretty good to me. May be you can use a bit more your body to achieve a longer stroke.
Yep, looks pretty good to me too. I assume P means more body angle after your hands go away from your body, & come forward on the slide leaning forward from the hips more (longer stroke at the front end). Need fair hamstring flexibility to do this, though. I don't think you are over-compressing, more quite quick into frontstops. Looks like you are doing almost nothing with your legs and there is loads more to come...
Have you rowed on water? Your hand heights say you have...
Post by: Chris S on 02 December, 2010, 10:12:17 pm
Have you rowed on water? Your hand heights say you have...
No.
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2010, 11:49:22 pm
Crazy. Oh, I swam 30 lengths also, plus commuting etc so another 2.25h cardio day. :)
Post by: mike on 02 December, 2010, 11:49:56 pm
If I was being picky you could speed up the hands away / body over part, swing over a bit further and then take a bit longer on the slide forward, but it's really not too bad at all.
Post by: simonp on 02 December, 2010, 11:51:56 pm
Post by: Manotea on 03 December, 2010, 12:14:15 am
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks good to me Chris but then again, I know nothing! I need to work on technique, getting more out of each strike. I have to really focus to stay around 26 spm. I tend to drift up to ~30spm.
Post by: andrew w on 03 December, 2010, 12:28:54 pm
Post by: simonp on 03 December, 2010, 12:31:01 pm
I need to learn to pace myself. :)
Post by: Manotea on 03 December, 2010, 10:13:33 pm
I woke up feeling knackered.
I need to learn to pace myself. :)
I've done at least 5km each day this week* and starting to feel a tadge run down. My times aren't improving that's for sure. I'll be pleased when the challenge is completed and go back to a 2km as warmup for the gym. Ideally I'd do longer efforts every other day to allow some recovery but I suspect I'm going to lose some days later in the month so I'm trying to get through it asap.
In the gym this evening the chap on the rower next to me was doing his best to cripple himself. His stroke was so jerky the rower was parambulating across the room. The gym person helped him relocate the rower but didn't offer any advice on technique, so I gave him the benefit of my vast experience which whilst not necessarilly perfect still resulted in a 1000% improvement on what he was doing before.
*Which is pretty amazing as not that long ago I was asking the question "how on earth can anybody row for 5km"? Made 19:50 for a age group ranking of 300 out of 760 or so. Need to make 19:36 to acheive the 25percentile.
Post by: simonp on 03 December, 2010, 11:58:20 pm
Tonight about 7K into my 10K I started to feel the bonk coming on so I stopped and necked some of my energy drink. Felt ok after that and for a short swim.
I need to pace myself. Too high intensity every day is using up my glycogen stores.
Post by: andrew w on 04 December, 2010, 03:58:12 pm
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2010, 04:34:22 pm
I think repeating that time will be hard. I was cycling 1500 miles a month when I did it.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 04 December, 2010, 08:16:41 pm
What little snow we had is thawing. Back on the river tomorrow...
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2010, 08:35:05 pm
64299m I think one I enter today's efforts. Same tomorrow. Couldn't bring myself to do two sessions so will not finish on Tuesday. :'(
Post by: Manotea on 04 December, 2010, 09:09:34 pm
Apart from a 30min spin class I haven't been on a bike since last Friday. I might ride some main road miles tomorrow if the weather is up to it.
Post by: simonp on 04 December, 2010, 09:56:00 pm
There's plenty time to finish the challenge. Over 40,000m in a week says you'll have no trouble.
Post by: simonp on 05 December, 2010, 10:56:26 pm
Post by: simonp on 06 December, 2010, 05:56:50 pm
I did 12,000m tonight. I increased the warm up to 2,000m. So I'm on 76,299m. I forgot my swimming trunks so no 1000m swim tonight. This will give me more energy tomorrow. :)
Swimming club AGM or more rowing this evening?
Post by: saturn on 06 December, 2010, 08:59:58 pm
Anyway, I did the 2km in the same sort of time with much lower stroke rate, I think the little lean-back at the end of the stroke (which I wasn't doing before) helped, it felt a lot better too.
Post by: simonp on 06 December, 2010, 11:12:33 pm
I did 12,000m tonight. I increased the warm up to 2,000m. So I'm on 76,299m. I forgot my swimming trunks so no 1000m swim tonight. This will give me more energy tomorrow. :)
Swimming club AGM or more rowing this evening?
AGM. Probably for the best. ::-)
Post by: Manotea on 06 December, 2010, 11:54:43 pm
Post by: andrew w on 07 December, 2010, 09:03:31 pm
Post by: simonp on 08 December, 2010, 12:46:36 am
Will not be rowing tomorrow - Wednesday is pub night (no booze for me). I might not row on Thursday either as that's swimming club and I might go this week as my shoulder has improved lots.
Post by: Jasmine on 09 December, 2010, 11:07:17 am
Thanks for the video Chris S, that was much more useful than anything else I've seen on youtube. Having given blood a few days ago I thought I'd try to slow it down tonight and do my best to emulate you :-* I had to whack the drag up though - there's simply not enough resistance to push against to get the stroke rate down otherwise. I didn't have time to find the true drag factor on the menu because the batteries are dead and the screen died if I stopped rowing for too long.
Anyway, I did the 2km in the same sort of time with much lower stroke rate, I think the little lean-back at the end of the stroke (which I wasn't doing before) helped, it felt a lot better too.
You shouldn't need to put the drag factor up to get more resistance. The harder you pull, the more resistance you will get. Rather than going for a 2k time, do some steady state work concentrating on technique at 20 strokes per minutes. Take a look at how many metres you are making per stroke. I generally do 12-13 metres per stroke when I limit the rating to 20 spm. I'm 1.7 m tall, so somewhat challenged on the length of potential stroke.
Post by: andrew w on 09 December, 2010, 09:12:51 pm
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2010, 10:10:03 pm
Thanks for the video Chris S, that was much more useful than anything else I've seen on youtube. Having given blood a few days ago I thought I'd try to slow it down tonight and do my best to emulate you :-* I had to whack the drag up though - there's simply not enough resistance to push against to get the stroke rate down otherwise. I didn't have time to find the true drag factor on the menu because the batteries are dead and the screen died if I stopped rowing for too long.
Anyway, I did the 2km in the same sort of time with much lower stroke rate, I think the little lean-back at the end of the stroke (which I wasn't doing before) helped, it felt a lot better too.
You shouldn't need to put the drag factor up to get more resistance. The harder you pull, the more resistance you will get. Rather than going for a 2k time, do some steady state work concentrating on technique at 20 strokes per minutes. Take a look at how many metres you are making per stroke. I generally do 12-13 metres per stroke when I limit the rating to 20 spm. I'm 1.7 m tall, so somewhat challenged on the length of potential stroke.
Some guys next to me at the gym the other night were doing 18spm @ 1:48/500m, level 5. I'm pretty sure there was plenty drag. They didn't keep that up for 10,000m though.
On the challenge, I've been feeling crap and a bit busy, so I'm stuck on 88,299m. I wanted to get down there tonight, I'm still at work. Mañana .
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2010, 09:18:21 pm
100,299m RAWWWR
I did the 10K in 39:56.1. 2nd or 3rd fastest time I've done.
I am this: drenched. And a bit shaky typing on the phone. Now for a swim.
Post by: andrew w on 11 December, 2010, 05:01:40 pm
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 01:29:10 am
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 12 December, 2010, 01:50:38 am
Good work. I am trying to decide if I'm up to trying for 200k now.Or you could save that challenge for January?
Post by: simonp on 12 December, 2010, 11:20:42 pm
Good work. I am trying to decide if I'm up to trying for 200k now.Or you could save that challenge for January?
112,299m. Guess I have to try.
Post by: Manotea on 14 December, 2010, 10:50:56 pm
The reason why I've been feeling wiped out lately has made itself apparent. 2nd day off with lurgy. I suspect I've been incubating it since (not) riding to York for the AGM.
First day doing anything at all since, gosh, the 4th. Took it easy with 2*5km@21:00.
Post by: simonp on 15 December, 2010, 12:21:13 am
I have done 12k (2+10) the last 3 days. Then swimming, in one case up to 1500m. I'm getting quite tired.
Tonight's 41:15 was done at 21spm. Had to focus.
Post by: andrew w on 16 December, 2010, 10:00:28 pm
Post by: Manotea on 16 December, 2010, 10:54:07 pm
Now on 77,000m. Still on target, in spite of the sub-zero temperature in my garage tonight.
Snap. Nice and cosy in my local council gym. Car said -2 on the way home though. Been experimenting with lower stroke rates (5k@ ~23, warmdown 1km @~20. Perceived less effort but have to focus to keep up power).
Post by: saturn on 16 December, 2010, 11:44:31 pm
You shouldn't need to put the drag factor up to get more resistance. The harder you pull, the more resistance you will get.
Despite all the clues being in various posts above (stiff back, push hard with feet etc etc) I've been really struggling to get my head around how lowering the stroke rate and not increasing the drag will do anything other than slowing my progress but I finally got the message - thanks. Tonight I tried to concentrate on pushing back as hard as I could, keeping the back stiff and at last I felt the resistance. Knocked about 40secs of my previous time for 2km and there's still plenty there because I was struggling to keep the technique throughout, kept slipping back into old ways. I was still doing around 27s/m but it's going in the right direction now :thumbsup:
Post by: Marco Stefano on 18 December, 2010, 09:59:25 am
Lower stroke rates allow the flywheel to slow down more between strokes, but allows you time to recover. You can do high pressure rowing at low rates (16-18 spm) for relatively long sessions (40+ mins) to build power per stroke without hurting your back or getting too knackered - if you can get your head round doing the same thing for that long... The higher the drag factor, the quicker it slows between strokes, and you have to find what is best for you.
As for me, erging is currently 30 mins warm-up in the gym 3 times a week, about 7km a go. Plus river outings at the weekend - but it's frozen now. :( Just cycled down to the river in hope of getting out - 40 mins on the bike, water bottle turned into a Slush Puppy! It's -6.5°C. Beautiful morning here, though.
Post by: Manotea on 18 December, 2010, 12:45:31 pm
Lower stroke rates allow the flywheel to slow down more between strokes, but allows you time to recover. You can do high pressure rowing at low rates (16-18 spm) for relatively long sessions (40+ mins) to build power per stroke without hurting your back or getting too knackered - if you can get your head round doing the same thing for that long...
That's the thing, and what I found so hard at first. To row for longer periods - as you would on the water - you have to be able to relax into the exercise, to make it more of a jog than a sprint. Once the technique is in place you can work on power.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 18 December, 2010, 08:22:52 pm
That's the thing, and what I found so hard at first. To row for longer periods - as you would on the water - you have to be able to relax into the exercise, to make it more of a jog than a sprint. Once the technique is in place you can work on power.
And where I row & scull you have to relax into the session; there is absolutely nothing to look at & no distractions. Which is why Cambridge train here.
An important point though; being able to relax on the recovery at any stroke rate & pressure (including flat out) is an important skill. (Yes, I am still talking about rowing - stop sniggering at the back.)
Post by: simonp on 18 December, 2010, 10:24:56 pm
Post by: Chris S on 18 December, 2010, 10:27:54 pm
Post by: simonp on 18 December, 2010, 11:42:22 pm
I have not rowed at all well this month.
Blood donation slowed you down?
Post by: Chris S on 19 December, 2010, 01:44:50 am
I have not rowed at all well this month.
Blood donation slowed you down?
Lethargy.
Post by: andrew w on 19 December, 2010, 01:19:03 pm
Lethargy.
It's a powerful thing, isn't it? I was like that in early November - any excuse not to go out to my garage and row. Too tired, too cold, monitor not working, any excuse, you name it, I used it. What got me going again was a combination of things:
1. The weather preventing me from cycling, so I felt I had to do some exercise, and
2. This stupid 100,000 metre challenge thing. It's so daft, you're not competing against anybody, it doesn't matter if you fail, but it just motivates me enough to keep going.
Don't know if that helps you at all, probably not as everyone is different, thankfully. :)
Anyway I've just been out and done 13,000m, so now I'm on 90,000, which means that I should hit the target with my next session.
Post by: simonp on 19 December, 2010, 05:52:08 pm
Post by: Chris S on 19 December, 2010, 06:16:52 pm
I've got lurgy.
Another one? :o
GWS
Post by: simonp on 19 December, 2010, 08:43:59 pm
I've got lurgy.
Another one? :o
GWS
Not to worry, it's just a head cold. 2 or 3 colds in one year is about normal for me.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 19 December, 2010, 10:09:03 pm
And I should have been on it the last two days. Slacker. ::-)
Post by: Manotea on 21 December, 2010, 12:01:46 pm
The Holiday Challenge has been a bit of a pain in the neck, er, back, really, a massive distraction to my planned goals which were to get heavy in the gym and on the turbo. A bout of lurgy didn't help though I partly blame that on getting a bit run down from the effort of rowing every day. I was flying on the bike in November and haven't been on the bike since. Feels like I'll be starting from scratch when the snow goes. Feeling a bit fed up right now. Heigh ho indeed.
Post by: Chris S on 21 December, 2010, 12:11:05 pm
I forced myself out for my Dec 200 to complete another RRTY year; but the bikes have had little other use, and the rowing machine has a layer of dust on it :facepalm:.
I thought I might develop cabin fever if I switched off all activity - but instead I'm quite happy to mope about doing nothing; eating stodgy comfort food and drinking beer. And Christmas hasn't even started yet!
I will have to pull myself together soon....
Post by: simonp on 21 December, 2010, 04:44:36 pm
Lurgy is a fact of life in the winter. I had a cold 6 weeks ago. I was out with someone the other night and they said they had a cold. Hey presto, I have it now. This one is less bad than the last, apart from the headache last night. Late winter/ early spring last year I had a series of colds and it was very frustrating.
My 10ks for this time have been followed by swimming up to 1500m and adding 1h cycling in the day this adds up to 2h30 exercise.
Post by: IbisTouche on 22 December, 2010, 05:23:53 am
Vinter Otter Grand Prix (http://www.8gp.dk/)
We have a lot of fun with this and the preparations to each challenge. 8 persons and one Concept2 rowing ergometer is all you need. There after you report your resultats and on the homepage you can compare with others.
Our problem is to remember doing some indoor bicycling because the muscles used in rowing are not the same as in rowing. We are about starting on slides this winter to train for our tandeming. Working on the rhytm. Fun.
Post by: simonp on 22 December, 2010, 03:36:05 pm
I've got lurgy.
Another one? :o
GWS
Not to worry, it's just a head cold. 2 or 3 colds in one year is about normal for me.
It's actually:
One in April
One in November
One in December
The April one was the first for more than a year IIRC, so that's 3 colds in about 20 months.
Post by: Manotea on 22 December, 2010, 09:56:52 pm
Post by: simonp on 22 December, 2010, 10:00:38 pm
Free at last, free at last.....
The virtual team challenge is next month. :demon:
Post by: Manotea on 22 December, 2010, 10:20:52 pm
Free at last, free at last.....
The virtual team challenge is next month. :demon:
No more empty km's for me. I'm going to shoot for a modest 1000km next year, a nominal 3x7km per week.
Having said that it would be nice to get a 90 percentile ranking (18:39/38:12 in 2010). I'm currently around the 60pc mark with 75pc acheiveable with a bit of effort.
Ms Manotea the Elder explains she cannot be doing with competitive rowers because they're all obsessed with their split times. Happily, I am not at all competitive...
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 23 December, 2010, 11:39:27 am
Free at last, free at last.....Me too!!!
The virtual team challenge is next month: I prefer this challenge. And we're getting Concept IIs at work from 10th Jan. Can you remember what our total was last time Simon?
Post by: simonp on 23 December, 2010, 11:53:31 am
Free at last, free at last.....Me too!!!
The virtual team challenge is next month: I prefer this challenge. And we're getting Concept IIs at work from 10th Jan. Can you remember what our total was last time Simon?
Virtual Team Challenge 2010 Team Results
(http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/team/virtual/vtc10_team_results.asp)
400,505m with 7 people.
Post by: andrew w on 23 December, 2010, 04:47:26 pm
I'll be up for the team challenge again, by the way.
Post by: simonp on 28 December, 2010, 09:34:52 pm
Any problems, let me know.
The challenge doesn't start until 1st Jan, and there are some rules:
Concept2: Virtual Team Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/team/vtc.asp)
In particular:
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# Important: Complete the following tasks by January 15 or your team will not be enrolled in the challenge and/or your team members' meters will not count for the challenge:
* Your team must be enrolled in this year's VTC. (See the Team Administration page for details.)
* All team members must be added to your team.
* Team members who have their own logbooks must indicate in their logbooks that they are actively participating in the current challenge. (See the Team Member page for more information.)
i.e. you can't join up after 15th Jan.
and:
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# Meters completed each week should be entered no later than midnight on Friday of that week. This works on the honor system. It makes it fair and fun for everyone if you can watch the progress of the teams that you are competing against.
Also, if you're new to this please don't start with 10,000m efforts.
Post by: andrew w on 29 December, 2010, 05:21:55 pm
I really need to do this, after all the nuts, chocolates, crisps and other excess food I've eaten over the Christmas period. At the moment I'm about 4 kg heavier than I'd like to be a this time of year, so a regular dose of 10,000m efforts on the rowing machine might help to get my weight going in the right direction.
I also need to eat less, but I always find that much harder to put into effect!
Post by: saturn on 29 December, 2010, 07:16:25 pm
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2010, 07:54:34 pm
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2010, 11:47:07 pm
Right, I've signed up for the January Team Challenge.
I really need to do this, after all the nuts, chocolates, crisps and other excess food I've eaten over the Christmas period. At the moment I'm about 4 kg heavier than I'd like to be a this time of year, so a regular dose of 10,000m efforts on the rowing machine might help to get my weight going in the right direction.
I also need to eat less, but I always find that much harder to put into effect!
Good luck!
I did my first one since I bailed at 160k due to lurgy on the holiday challenge. Kept it to 2k + 5k to keep the 2k felt harder than normal and I was sweating more than usual. Possibly lurgy related. I still did my 1500m swim, I'm down to under 40 minutes on that.
My train back to Englandshire from Glasgow is not til 15.50 on Monday. This will give me time to sneak in a row beforehand at the gym in Renfrew. In fact it will stop me wasting an hour between trains at Glasgow: the train from here is cunningly timed to arrive at 14.52; the next at 15.52. If I get the train to Paisley then cycle to the gym I can then get a much better choice of connection from Paisley.
Post by: andrew w on 01 January, 2011, 05:43:28 pm
Post by: Chris S on 01 January, 2011, 08:08:29 pm
Post by: liam_whippet on 01 January, 2011, 09:52:23 pm
Hope I've added my 5k. :thumbsup:
Post by: Salvatore on 02 January, 2011, 02:41:35 pm
Look who we're beating in the team standings:
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/nocensure/Untitled.jpg)
Post by: liam_whippet on 03 January, 2011, 09:20:16 pm
10K in 45:11 - I'm getting [back] into this! :thumbsup:
Bought an old Model B in the summer, but never got very far with it. Over Xmas I swapped over two runners to get rid of the "trundle" and replaced the batteries; whereupon it sulked and refused to come out of Watts mode.. Had the monitor apart and cleaned the contacts, and it's now looking like a good 'un.
Other than that, it all seems to be coming back... In the words of The Immortal Steve*: "Spring and draw, flick onto the feather, and sit back until the cows come home"..
ex-JCBC [novice], ex-SGCBC [coach], ex-Bedford & Star [novice and coach]
*That's Fairbairn, not Redgrave. 8)
Post by: simonp on 03 January, 2011, 11:44:05 pm
As I have still got a bit of a post-lurgy cough I only did a 2k in 8:32 followed by a 5k in 20:37. I'll step it up a bit only if I don't make myself ill.
Post by: Salvatore on 04 January, 2011, 03:19:15 pm
Yebbut there's three times as many of us! ;)
I also notice that the US navy is twice the size of the US army. Combined, they are the same size as YACF.
Post by: Chris S on 04 January, 2011, 03:23:21 pm
Post by: tubbycyclist on 04 January, 2011, 05:04:12 pm
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2011, 06:05:40 pm
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I think when it says only "Indoor rower" metres count, they mean Concept 2 ones.
I have no idea how you'd calibrate a WaterRower to give the same effort; obviously you can vary the water level but I don't know what water level would be similar, or if the WaterRower compensates for the measured amount of drag. The Concept 2 computers compensate for measured drag so two different people rowing on different machines will get a fair comparison of their effort.
Post by: PeteB99 on 04 January, 2011, 06:58:58 pm
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I think when it says only "Indoor rower" metres count, they mean Concept 2 ones.
I have no idea how you'd calibrate a WaterRower to give the same effort; obviously you can vary the water level but I don't know what water level would be similar, or if the WaterRower compensates for the measured amount of drag. The Concept 2 computers compensate for measured drag so two different people rowing on different machines will get a fair comparison of their effort.
Having used both I would say that for most non rower users they are broadly equivelent. The Concept 2 computer is self calibrating which makes it fairer accross the board but for the number of WRs likely to join I wouldn't be too bothered. Concepts website differentiates between Indoor rower metres and on the water metres but either assumes that all Indoor rowers are Concepts or is not bothered by it.
Bottom line is if it gets an unused WR back into use then go for it.
If my back injury ever clears up I'll join in with mine :demon:
Post by: Manotea on 04 January, 2011, 07:13:13 pm
I have popped into this thread after dusting off a WaterRower that is sit in our cellar, does anyone mind if I sign up for the concept 2 yacf team? I presume the challenger designers would prefer to log everything on C2s, but are they broadly similar enough to include metres erged without skewing totals?
I think when it says only "Indoor rower" metres count, they mean Concept 2 ones.
I have no idea how you'd calibrate a WaterRower to give the same effort; obviously you can vary the water level but I don't know what water level would be similar, or if the WaterRower compensates for the measured amount of drag. The Concept 2 computers compensate for measured drag so two different people rowing on different machines will get a fair comparison of their effort.
I dunno. As a student of mushy regulations I'd have thought they chose their wording carefully. There is no reference to resistence/drag settings, for example. Hours of fun to be had debating which is the lowest RL permitted for challenge purposes! Oh, the anguish when the leading team admits to using £50 Rower Shaped Objects bought off eBay, etc.
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2011, 07:34:09 pm
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The damper setting is like bicycle gearing. It affects the feel of the rowing but does not directly affect the resistance. With a little experimentation, you will find the damper setting that gives you the best workout and results. We recommend a damper setting of 3–5 for the best aerobic workout. This is the setting that feels most like a sleek, fast boat on the water. Higher settings feel more like a bigger, slower boat.
The resistance is controlled by how hard you work. The log book does not even ask for the damper setting.
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2011, 07:37:57 pm
Post by: PeteB99 on 04 January, 2011, 08:26:07 pm
Damper setting:QuoteThe damper setting is like bicycle gearing. It affects the feel of the rowing but does not directly affect the resistance. With a little experimentation, you will find the damper setting that gives you the best workout and results. We recommend a damper setting of 3–5 for the best aerobic workout. This is the setting that feels most like a sleek, fast boat on the water. Higher settings feel more like a bigger, slower boat.
The resistance is controlled by how hard you work. The log book does not even ask for the damper setting.
The Concept 2 computer is calibrated so that in theory the same effort will produce the same number of metres regardless of the damper setting. The restistance can thus be set to the most convenient level for the individual athlete and the results should be comperable.
The Water rowers computer does not do this, however by setting the bowl level to about 60% full (from memory) you get a roughly equivelent feel and my impression is that the distance travelled for a given intensity of workout would be broadly comparable.
I would say that including a non competative rowers metres on a WR wouldn't make much difference to your teams performance (It's all a question of honour anyway - anyone can just lie about their performance)
In the long run it's your team and nothing to do with me* so it's up to you whether you want to exclude tc's efforts or not.
* I thought maybe my 30 years rowing experience might be helpful - that's all
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2011, 08:42:04 pm
I've given myself blisters and stomach cramp now :(
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 06 January, 2011, 11:03:20 am
I've just signed up and logged this morning's metres.Staying ahead of 'The Killer Bees' is my motivator.
Look who we're beating in the team standings:
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/nocensure/Untitled.jpg)
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2011, 01:47:25 pm
Feeling much better now lunch has taken effect - and after snacking through the afternoon, I'll endeavour to do another 5k later.
Post by: saturn on 07 January, 2011, 08:13:59 am
I am not going to get obsessive about this but I might try to spend a bit more time on the rower in my weekly gym session. However, I find even if I have a good drink immediately before rowing, by the end of 2km I'm gasping for a drink - actually before I figured out how to start to get the stroke rate down I was gasping after 1km. How do those of you who do 5km or more in a stint cope? Do you pause for a drink or have you all got camelbacks on or something? :-\
Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2011, 09:28:39 am
Do you get that thirsty normally?
Post by: andrew w on 07 January, 2011, 09:45:58 am
As regards seat problems, I used to find 10k efforts uncomfortable, but now I just put a folded towel on the seat as a cushion, and it doesn't bother me any more. I think you can buy seatpads from Concept2 if you feel so inclined.
The only other thing I would say in reply to Saturn's query is that for a 10k effort, you have to pace yourself. You can't do it at the same intensity as a 2k row. In that respect it's like going out for a run. Most of us couldn't run 10k at the same pace as we could run 1500m! I use my heart rate to regulate my efforts. I work on the assumption that my absolute max HR is around 180, and I try to keep my 10k heart rate below about 155, except in the final 1000metres or so. That way I can keep going without getting too overstressed.
Post by: saturn on 07 January, 2011, 10:04:53 am
Do you get that thirsty normally?
Not especially and I'm not a prolific sweater. I am accustomed to drinking regularly on the turbo / gym bike though - I'd expect to drink a full .75l bottle in 1 hour on the turbo. Last night I spent just under 2 hours in the gym and drank about 1.2 litres.
It may just be in the mind because during any other cardio exercise I'm conditioned to taking a gulp every 5 minutes so after 5 minutes (*) on the rower my brains telling me to take a drink.
Next time I'll maybe do an early easy session on the rower and see how far I can go, leaving a harder 2km session until later.
* Edit: I don't mean to imply I do 2km in 5 mins, it takes me 9 mins. After 5 mins I fancy a drink, after 9 mins my brains saying "I said drink ages ago FFS!"
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2011, 11:47:55 am
I take a 750ml bottle, with Torq Energy (similar to the High 5 Super Carbs stuff) I drink about half the bottle before the 2K, another 1/4 between the 2K and the 10K and the rest after, when I'm doing resistance stuff, then I go for a swim.
Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2011, 12:09:17 pm
I do 2K to warm up then my 10K at a faster pace.
I take a 750ml bottle, with Torq Energy (similar to the High 5 Super Carbs stuff) I drink about half the bottle before the 2K, another 1/4 between the 2K and the 10K and the rest after, when I'm doing resistance stuff, then I go for a swim.
Yebbut - you're nuts. ;D ;)
Right. I'm off to do the 10K I should have done yesterday. I went out on the bike in the end yesterday as, having seen the forecast for today, I realised I probably wouldn't want to go out today :hand:.
Post by: Manotea on 07 January, 2011, 09:05:36 pm
Mental note: don't even think about a 10k the day before an Audax.
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2011, 10:15:41 pm
I do 2K to warm up then my 10K at a faster pace.
I take a 750ml bottle, with Torq Energy (similar to the High 5 Super Carbs stuff) I drink about half the bottle before the 2K, another 1/4 between the 2K and the 10K and the rest after, when I'm doing resistance stuff, then I go for a swim.
Yebbut - you're nuts. ;D ;)
Right. I'm off to do the 10K I should have done yesterday. I went out on the bike in the end yesterday as, having seen the forecast for today, I realised I probably wouldn't want to go out today :hand:.
I've done mine for today - putting me onto 43K. That was the fastest I've done this year, but still slow compared to my PB.
My cough has improved a bit, which is nice.
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2011, 10:39:58 pm
Except, I'm actually rowing faster times than a year ago. I seem to be averaging around 30-60s faster for 10K than around the end of 2009/early 2010. Furthermore, I've only rowed two > 42:00:00 times this time around, whereas back then the majority were over 42 minutes. And most of these times are with me deliberately easing off.
:facepalm:
Silly boy.
(Of course, these times are nowhere near the PB I set in June, though I did do one sub-40-minute time in December, just to see if I still could).
Post by: saturn on 08 January, 2011, 12:06:56 pm
Post by: simonp on 10 January, 2011, 11:03:59 pm
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Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 04:50:45 pm
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 04:58:15 pm
Edit: Wow, that was fun! This is what I did:
2000m Warmup at 2:30ish
5 mins @ 2:20
8 mins @ 2:15 with 20 stroke bursts of 1:55 split at minutes 4 and 7
2 mins @ 2:30 recovery
7 mins @ 2:15 with 20 stroke bursts of 1:55 split at minutes 2, 4 and 6
2 mins @ 2:30 recovery
6 mins @ 2:10 with 10 stroke bursts of 1:50 split at every other minute
5 mins @ 2:30 cool down
Of course, what I should have realised was that by continuing on to 10,000m after the interval session (which took me to about 7000m) would have easily beaten my PB for 10K. That's the plan for next week.
FWIW: 20 strokes @1:55 is easily enough to get my HR within 8-10 beats of my MHR, and I'm gasping :sick:
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 08:56:32 pm
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 09:07:22 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 10:30:45 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 11:17:18 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 11:37:33 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Not cured, I'm just better at it.
Post by: Chris S on 12 January, 2011, 11:40:54 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Not cured, I'm just better at it.
Ah. Someone else I can no longer keep up with ::-).
Post by: simonp on 12 January, 2011, 11:42:59 pm
It's interesting that you can do a faster pace than you have been doing on your 10k efforts.
Yes. I think doing intervals provides enough content and context for me to push myself. Just bashing out a 10 - it's so easy just to settle into a steady undemanding work rate.
I have the opposite problem. I really have to force myself to go slow.
Hehe - your old audax problem haunting you on the rower too is it? I thought you'd been cured of the "blast away with the fast boys until you blow up" problem? ;)
Not cured, I'm just better at it.
Ah. Someone else I can no longer keep up with ::-).
We'll see about that, I'm gonna be taking my Pompino out on a few events.
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2011, 04:11:03 pm
I'll have a rest day tomorrow, as it's audax day on Saturday. Probably no more rowing for me until Monday.
Post by: saturn on 13 January, 2011, 11:28:45 pm
Post by: andrew w on 15 January, 2011, 04:54:09 pm
That's my total metres for the month up to 85,000.
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2011, 06:14:02 pm
Not bad for an old git, two days after a 200k audax :smug:
Post by: simonp on 17 January, 2011, 07:27:03 pm
I haven't done anything for nearly a week now.
Post by: andrew w on 17 January, 2011, 09:26:13 pm
New PB for 10K :thumbsup:.
Well done Chris!
I did another 10k tonight - nowhere near a PB though :(.
Post by: saturn on 17 January, 2011, 10:09:41 pm
Post by: perpetual dan on 18 January, 2011, 07:11:15 pm
Post by: andrew w on 19 January, 2011, 10:08:50 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 20 January, 2011, 08:49:44 am
Another 10k tonight - at a fairly sedate pace. Now on 105,000 metres :).Excellent! I'm cranking it up too, hoping to end the month on 100K.
We have a brand new gym at work with three brand new Concept ergos - absolutely no excuses.
Post by: saturn on 21 January, 2011, 02:48:25 pm
I can now maintain a steady 2:15/500 at 20 strokes p/m, if I really focus I can do 2:15 @ 18sp/m or 2:10 @20sp/m for a bit but then it soon drifts back to where I was.
So - do I just keep on doing the same or try to maintain the same speed at a sustained lower stroke rate or try to keep the technique while raising the stroke rate a touch?
NB - the answer is not to row further!
Post by: HTFB on 21 January, 2011, 02:58:11 pm
(Depending on all sorts of variables of build and age and so forth, obviously.)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2011, 12:55:45 pm
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
Post by: Chris S on 23 January, 2011, 01:00:22 pm
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
Awesome!
With regard to the highlighted text - get hold of a fan. A big fan. It helps a lot. I use a 50cm diameter floor standing pedestal fan. Also a requirement for turbo training, unless one wants to experiment with spontaneous human combustion.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 23 January, 2011, 02:16:38 pm
Them: 118 @ 548,163
Us: 125 @ 506,518
They have an extra person mind.
After a 200 yesterday, I don't feel like rowing for the rest of the week. But now I've seen this, I might just have a go to reach my 100K. Only have till Friday. Hmmm....
Post by: Salvatore on 23 January, 2011, 02:37:03 pm
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Post by: FatBloke on 23 January, 2011, 06:14:38 pm
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.You're more than welcome to come round and use the Concept2!!
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
....and then drink beer!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2011, 11:54:16 pm
Having resurrected my 10-year-old Waterrower and having used it a few times this week, I read this thread.You're more than welcome to come round and use the Concept2!!
Notwithstanding the differences between Concept2 and Waterrower, I'm starkly aware of the gulf between what I can do compared to you fit young things. This morning, 20 minutes yielded 3.284km. I got hot, sweaty and out of breath so it must be doing me some good though.
....and then drink beer!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Or, given that my medication almost totally precludes alcohol, perhaps a sossidge sandwich? :thumbsup:
Post by: Jasmine on 24 January, 2011, 10:50:43 am
Another 52 secs off my 5km time last night although it felt like I've reaped the rewards of technique improvement now and that any further significant improvements will only come from working harder.
I can now maintain a steady 2:15/500 at 20 strokes p/m, if I really focus I can do 2:15 @ 18sp/m or 2:10 @20sp/m for a bit but then it soon drifts back to where I was.
So - do I just keep on doing the same or try to maintain the same speed at a sustained lower stroke rate or try to keep the technique while raising the stroke rate a touch?
NB - the answer is not to row further!
Rather than rowing steady state, try some interval type stuff.
When I was rowing reasonably seriously Ian Shore suggested the following types of erg workout as part of a larger programme:
6 x 500m R 20 --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 500 m; take 1-2minutes rest, then repeat for 6 sets.
3 x 1000m R 20 --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 1000 m; take 3-4 minutes rest, then repeat for 3 sets.
3 x 1500m R 20 --> row as hard as you can, keeping the rate down to 20 spm for 1500 m; take 3-4 minutes rest, then repeat for 3 sets.
Same ones as above but rating 22 or 24 spm is worth trying.
1 x 500 pace + 2
1 x 1000 at pace
1x 250 pace -2 ( Pace = 2k Ergo target)
2mins work/ 2mins rest for 30 mins
All the above workouts are shorter than your current 5k, but will get you used to doing higher pace. Write the times down for your intervals. They will improve with time; each set should actually be quite similar, but you will notice a slight decline in pace towards the last one.
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 January, 2011, 07:37:33 pm
I find a physical problem in trying to take advantage of the full stroke length: my gut collides with my thighs long before my shins are vertical.
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2011, 09:17:45 pm
Post by: Manotea on 24 January, 2011, 09:22:06 pm
The Killer Bees are beating us!
Them: 118 @ 548,163
Us: 125 @ 506,518
They have an extra person mind.
After a 200 yesterday, I don't feel like rowing for the rest of the week. But now I've seen this, I might just have a go to reach my 100K. Only have till Friday. Hmmm....
Well, we're beating the KBs on average distance per member.
What, going for another 100km. That's a bit keen. Hmm, I only need to find another 38k myself and there's a week to go....
Did 2*5 this evening, then 20minutes core work, then realised a spin class was about to start so I did that as well. Best not tell simonp. It will only encourage him.
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2011, 09:28:12 pm
Post by: andrew w on 25 January, 2011, 08:58:51 pm
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2011, 09:29:39 pm
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 January, 2011, 11:08:18 pm
Having watched the training video linked above, I seem to have improved my "technique" (not that I had any before) and instead of rowing at 30+ spm without much leg or back work, I just managed 5k at 22 spm in 32m 50s. I found I was far more relaxed and didn't find it such hard work, although I was marginally slower than I had been. I'm going to concentrate on getting my technique sorted out before worrying about improving my times though.
I seem to have forgotten the emboldened bit. 5k in 29m 34.9s just now. I didn't realise I'd set off more quickly. I did try to concentrate on my technique though.
Post by: simonp on 27 January, 2011, 12:28:30 am
Post by: Chris S on 27 January, 2011, 09:56:49 pm
Post by: perpetual dan on 27 January, 2011, 10:17:59 pm
Post by: simonp on 27 January, 2011, 10:39:42 pm
I did a touch over 5k in a 30 minute row today (my third time using it). I now have a blister on my hand.
You should have started with a the 5 minute row.
IGMC.
Post by: saturn on 27 January, 2011, 11:48:14 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 28 January, 2011, 09:00:56 am
Post by: andrew w on 28 January, 2011, 09:01:55 am
Post by: Manotea on 28 January, 2011, 08:37:43 pm
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs. I'll be logging 14 for my 100 and I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) so it might yet go to the wire.
Not that I'm competitive but now we're here we might as well win.
Post by: Chris S on 28 January, 2011, 10:17:43 pm
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
... I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) ...
Erm. That's quite a big assumption TBH :facepalm:
Post by: simonp on 29 January, 2011, 12:09:01 am
Doing faster 5Ks doesn't kill me the next day the way 10k would at that pace.
I am tempted to try to improve my 5k pb (19:32.x). I spent much of that 5k at 1:55 and I suspect I could do a better time if I warmed up then set off at 1:56 or so. Something to try anyway.
Post by: Manotea on 29 January, 2011, 12:37:10 am
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 29 January, 2011, 01:00:35 am
Did an extra 2k tonight in addition to the 5k to which I've recently become accustomed. Only 29k for the month from me but considering my original expectation of 2k per week, I'm happy. We're a gnat's whisker ahead of RfB, that's me done for this month so it's all down to you guys now ;)
At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs. I'll be logging 14 for my 100 and I assume ChrisS currently on 72 will be doing 3x10 over the next three days for his (isn't that right, Chris?) so it might yet go to the wire.
Not that I'm competitive but now we're here we might as well win.
I might be back soon. Back when I used to row properly as a sport I was an erg monster so I might have some epic mileage to record if I get my arse in gear again - I did say this last year too but hope to get going again in the next few months.
Post by: Chris S on 29 January, 2011, 05:49:06 pm
A steady 10k, watching Mark Knopfler - A Life in Songs, recorded on the MythTV Box last night. An hour flew by.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 30 January, 2011, 07:52:55 pm
At the time of writing we're 15k down on the KBs.Yes! We're ahead ... by 2.5K !! Excellent work everybody!
KBs are a US team, so it really may get to the wire, will they pip us at the post when our day is over?
Post by: Manotea on 30 January, 2011, 07:55:27 pm
Yes, as I write, the KBs are history. Savour the moment but let's not be complacent. It's not over till it's over.
Post by: saturn on 30 January, 2011, 08:05:48 pm
Post by: rower40 on 30 January, 2011, 08:23:23 pm
I woke up this morning,
Even before the six-o-clock news.
Well I woke up this morning,
And I'd used up my last excuse.
I've got those "I don't wannabe out on the river on a cold January morning" blues.
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2011, 08:26:00 pm
(* Blues riff.. because I was wearing blue on the river today *)
I woke up this morning,
Even before the six-o-clock news.
Well I woke up this morning,
And I'd used up my last excuse.
I've got those "I don't wannabe out on the river on a cold January morning" blues.
Well, not much longer to wait. It will be February on Tuesday! :thumbsup:
Post by: Chris S on 30 January, 2011, 09:05:16 pm
Good effort Chris though tomorrow needs to be a monster day. 2x7 will do it. I just need 7km to see out January.
OK - you're on. Today was all about the bike I'm afraid.
BTW - ITYM 2x8 ;)
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2011, 09:07:33 pm
Average power was 238W. I'm going to be wrecked tomorrow.
I'd tell you the time but you'd not believe me. :P
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2011, 11:17:29 pm
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2011, 11:18:49 pm
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2011, 11:33:03 pm
I was planning to try just to shave a bit off the old PB (19:32.1 or thereabouts) which the 1:56 I mentioned would have achieved. But I overdid the first few pulls and found myself at around 1:53 then found it difficult to ease off. So I just stuck with it, eventually settling down to 1:53-1:54. I didn't have a hrm on, I think that would have just scared me. I wasn't sure I would be able to hold that pace but by half way I'd an average of 1:53.8 and I knew that even if I eased off to 2:00 for the second half it'd still be a PB. From 2000m to go I was hanging on a bit and slowed to 1:55 for a while but managed to up the pace from about 500m and got below 1:50 at the end. Average pace ended up at 1:53.7.
Stomach felt a bit funny at times, but ok as soon as I stopped and I recovered quickly. Went and did nearly an hour's abs & core routine, and then 500m slightly subdued swimming.
Still not as fast as Andy's PB afaik.
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2011, 11:39:20 pm
18:57.1
I was planning to try just to shave a bit off the old PB (19:32.1 or thereabouts) which the 1:56 I mentioned would have achieved. But I overdid the first few pulls and found myself at around 1:53 then found it difficult to ease off. So I just stuck with it, eventually settling down to 1:53-1:54. I didn't have a hrm on, I think that would have just scared me. I wasn't sure I would be able to hold that pace but by half way I'd an average of 1:53.8 and I knew that even if I eased off to 2:00 for the second half it'd still be a PB. From 2000m to go I was hanging on a bit and slowed to 1:55 for a while but managed to up the pace from about 500m and got below 1:50 at the end. Average pace ended up at 1:53.7.
Stomach felt a bit funny at times, but ok as soon as I stopped and I recovered quickly. Went and did nearly an hour's abs & core routine, and then 500m slightly subdued swimming.
Still not as fast as Andy's PB afaik.
I'm still quite chuffed with my 29m 30-odd seconds. Trouble is, the back's playing up at the moment and I reckon giving the rowing a rest until it's better might not be that bad an idea.
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2011, 11:44:30 pm
I think it clicked after swimming classes. More upper body strength and better technique.
You're wise to rest your back. Maybe work at shorter distances as well.
In my abs and core work out I really struggle with the back exercise. Suggests I've weak back muscles. Something to work on.
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2011, 08:32:13 am
In fact, I rowed 10k. But it was slow. Slow and tough going; the poor old bod is a bit tired after hilly exertions on the bike yesterday.
More fun later.
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 09:54:34 am
To get 7 minutes for 7000m equates to 1:45.0 which is about 300 Watts.
300 W for 7 minutes. Hmmmm.
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 01:07:37 pm
- my left knee was a bit achy after the row, and both knees are slightly stiff this morning
- I have a slightly sore right wrist (outside edge)
- I'm knackered. I didn't even cycle to work.
Post by: Salvatore on 31 January, 2011, 03:42:44 pm
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/kbs.jpg)
:thumbsup:
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 31 January, 2011, 04:32:29 pm
Well done everybody, amazing!
Post by: andrew w on 31 January, 2011, 04:56:22 pm
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 05:00:25 pm
I'm not doing any more. :P
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 January, 2011, 05:02:28 pm
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2011, 05:07:04 pm
This challenge: does it happen every month? Is it only open to Concept owners?
The Concept website have regular challenges, both individual and team-based that pop up all year round. The January one is a regular. All you need is to use the Concept online logbook to log your rowing sessions, and sign up to any teams that you might fancy (eg: YACF). To my knowledge, nobody checks whether you row on a Concept or not.
Just another 6k for me to get to 100k for January. I have perma-hunger today, so have just had a marmalade sandwich in preparation. Better get and row quick, before I'm hungry again...
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 05:16:35 pm
This challenge: does it happen every month? Is it only open to Concept owners?
The Concept website have regular challenges, both individual and team-based that pop up all year round. The January one is a regular. All you need is to use the Concept online logbook to log your rowing sessions, and sign up to any teams that you might fancy (eg: YACF). To my knowledge, nobody checks whether you row on a Concept or not.
Just another 6k for me to get to 100k for January. I have perma-hunger today, so have just had a marmalade sandwich in preparation. Better get and row quick, before I'm hungry again...
AFAICT, you're not supposed to rank pieces done on non Concept II equipment. And for top-three placings you have to prove it was on a Concept II. Other than that, there are AFAIK no checks.
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 05:20:19 pm
Concept2: Valentine Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/valentinechallenge.asp)
Useless.
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 05:21:33 pm
Concept2: March Madness (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/marchmadness.asp)
:hand:
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2011, 06:04:51 pm
Anyhoo... an excellent team effort folks :thumbsup:
Post by: Manotea on 31 January, 2011, 08:23:33 pm
Thought I'd have a go at a PB but blew up after 2km no faster than I was six months ago. Pathetic.
Post by: Chris S on 31 January, 2011, 08:32:00 pm
Next team challenge - we should shoot for a million.
Post by: simonp on 31 January, 2011, 10:07:08 pm
Against all the odds, Mr Smith steals the third spot on the podium (no sneaking back to put in another 5km, simonp!).
Thought I'd have a go at a PB but blew up after 2km no faster than I was six months ago. Pathetic.
You need a day or two rest at least to do a PB.
I have been to the gym. I swam 750m then did the sauna, plunge pool, spa. That was it.
Post by: simonp on 01 February, 2011, 01:11:53 am
Quote
Does LT change based on the type of exercise? Yes, the lactate threshold is specific to the exercise task. So if a cyclist moves to rowing, (s)he will fatigue at a lower heart rate initially as rowing employs different muscles, generally less trained. Since these muscles are less trained, the cyclist's rowing LT will be considerably lower. Thus heart rate cannot be used as a guide in "cross training activities". athlete.
So nicely explaining why I had an LT of 225W but could only row at around 200W but can now row at around 240W.
The cycling LT was probably pushing 250W last year.
Post by: Chris S on 01 February, 2011, 08:49:23 am
I've got better, but 140bpm still represents the fastest "cruise" I can do when rowing. The 2x20s I do on the bike are at 160bpm.
Post by: Manotea on 05 February, 2011, 04:20:10 pm
A sub 40 minute 10k feels a long way off...
Post by: simonp on 05 February, 2011, 04:24:28 pm
First time under 20 minutes for me at 5km at 19:38, huzzah!
A sub 40 minute 10k feels a long way off...
Until last weekend that would be better than anything I've done in the last year or so. Phew! :D
(Did you do the day or two of rest thing?)
Post by: Manotea on 05 February, 2011, 04:29:37 pm
First time under 20 minutes for me at 5km at 19:38, huzzah!
A sub 40 minute 10k feels a long way off...
Until last weekend that would be better than anything I've done in the last year or so. Phew! :D
(Did you do the day or two of rest thing?)
Yup, not intentionally though. I've put in some laps of Richmond Park the last couple of days (~40km/d). Went to the gym today because it's a bit blowy out and I'm on a DIY200 tomorrow. I've been feeling a bit heavy legged and blagghh today actually. Hopefully I'll get some sleep tonight and be ready to go in the morning.
Post by: simonp on 05 February, 2011, 04:51:19 pm
Post by: andrew w on 06 February, 2011, 05:04:31 pm
Post by: Manotea on 08 February, 2011, 10:52:12 pm
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2011, 01:47:09 am
This is the next challenge:
Concept2: Valentine Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/valentinechallenge.asp)
Useless.
14km in 6 days. Well, I suppose I ought to do it. Who do I send my card to, though?
Post by: Manotea on 09 February, 2011, 09:40:27 am
This is the next challenge:
Concept2: Valentine Challenge (http://www.concept2.com/us/motivation/challenges/individual/valentinechallenge.asp)
Useless.
14km in 6 days. Well, I suppose I ought to do it. Who do I send my card to, though?
I think you ought to try for 14k for 6 days. Go on. You know you want to.
Post by: Gus on 09 February, 2011, 08:40:43 pm
So now I have to target I have to improve :
2000 M : 08:30:5
5000 M : 22:05:9
So there are plenty of room for improvements :-\
Just a question :
What are your damper setting; I have rowed on 6-7, but it looks like I should lower it a bit according to C2 webside. ???
Post by: Chris S on 09 February, 2011, 08:54:51 pm
Just a question :
What are your damper setting; I have rowed on 6-7, but it looks like I should lower it a bit according to C2 webside. ???
"Whatever you are comfortable with" would seem to be the right answer. It's like riding a fixed gear bike - some can turn a Big Gear and Low Cadence - others prefer a Lower Gear and Higher Cadence. It's down to how you work best.
I've settled on about 6 for me.
Anyone who says "You wuss - only 10 will do" clearly hasn't tried to ride a 104" fixed gear bike ;).
Welcome to the YACF rowing fraternity :D.
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2011, 10:36:29 pm
Well now I've tried rowing too. I have joined the logbook on C2 nad entered some 2000meters and a 5000 meter.
So now I have to target I have to improve :
2000 M : 08:30:5
5000 M : 22:05:9
So there are plenty of room for improvements :-\
Just a question :
What are your damper setting; I have rowed on 6-7, but it looks like I should lower it a bit according to C2 webside. ???
Not a bad start. I always use level 4.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 10 February, 2011, 08:50:03 pm
On model Cs if you press 'REST' & OK' buttons simultaneously and then start rowing (at about 2:15 split) it will give a drag factor in the bottom right of the display. Increasing the damper setting (1 - 10) increases the drag factor. Somewhere between 125 & 150 will suit most people, but have a play and see what suits you best. With this you can set up any machine to have the same drag regardless of any foibles. Dunno about new fangled D, E & Dynamic models.
New ergo ladder in rowing club & intervention of British Rowing 'Start' programme coach has thrown up (unfortunate turn of phrase) new hard-as-you-can tests:
30 mins at 20spm (horrible)
250m at 40-44spm (barking).
You're welcome to have as much fun with those as can be wrung out...
Post by: simonp on 11 February, 2011, 12:07:47 am
Post by: Gus on 11 February, 2011, 01:55:16 pm
Just rowed 6879 meters in 30 min. and I was not completely bombed after the work out.
But most of my body will properly feel it tomorrow. :-\
Post by: Gus on 13 February, 2011, 06:06:25 pm
I was suppose to row a relaxed 2000 m, but I ended up breaking my PB
and crossing the 8 min mark. new pm : 7,51,1 ???
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2011, 06:28:44 pm
something went very wrong today.
I was suppose to row a relaxed 2000 m, but I ended up breaking my PB
and crossing the 8 min mark. new pm : 7,51,1 ???
Good going!
I may not finish the valentines challenge: have done 10k so in theory I can do another 5 tomorrow but I feel like I've just caught a cold. If I have, I won't be troubling the rowing machine for at least a week.
Post by: simonp on 15 February, 2011, 01:37:24 am
So I went to the gym. Slightly sluggish on the rower. 21:06.7. Then did various strength stuff. Including squats. I broke my quads. They are hurting when I go down the stairs. Ow.
Pathetic 250m swim too. Then I went home and ate an entire wedge of Stilton and 18 oatcakes. Burp!
Post by: Manotea on 15 February, 2011, 09:31:03 am
Post by: Gus on 23 February, 2011, 05:08:41 pm
Now I'm feeling the improvements in each stroke, but there is still a long way to go.
New PB on 5000 M : 20.49,6 :thumbsup:
This is the only good thing the cold weather and snow have brought me until now, I have nearly 0 miles of cycling
this year.
Post by: Manotea on 24 February, 2011, 05:42:56 pm
Post by: simonp on 24 February, 2011, 06:14:03 pm
Post by: Manotea on 24 February, 2011, 06:23:57 pm
Even with good choons I very much doubt I'd have the willpower for that. Well done!Willpower be damned. Audio books are your friend, in my case, 'The colour of Magic' by Terry Pratchett. I'm up to chapter 24 of 85...
Post by: Chris S on 24 February, 2011, 08:37:04 pm
I did a 42min 10k on Tuesday and went along to the gym last night feeling a bit rundown but feeling I ought to do something to work off the vast amount of scoff I'd eaten all day and did ... <snip something pretty incredible>
:o
Respect! I thought 15k was barking when I did it, but 21k is totally gaga. Well done indeed :thumbsup:.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 25 February, 2011, 08:56:43 pm
Blimey, 30 mins @20spm put me in the 'wringable' category (after my C-Breeze blew off in the warm-up), you must have been near floating.
Post by: Manotea on 01 March, 2011, 11:49:36 pm
Post by: simonp on 02 March, 2011, 01:01:13 am
I think my bum isgetting biggerbecoming more muscular. That's a good thing, right?
I think Mrs Manotea should be the judge of that. :P
Post by: Manotea on 04 March, 2011, 10:09:50 pm
Post by: simonp on 04 March, 2011, 10:13:07 pm
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 08 March, 2011, 10:03:15 pm
Simon, did you intend to enter the team?
Post by: simonp on 08 March, 2011, 11:45:27 pm
I've "missed out" and the March Madness, and see that another team challenge is coming up on 15th March.
Simon, did you intend to enter the team?
Mmmpf? What? Team?
Oh, I think you can just use the existing team, yacf, it still exists. Just go to the teams page,
Concept2 Online Logbook
(http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/log_team.asp) , and then click the link to join the challenge. Hopefully.
Oh, tried that and it said the team wasn't signed up. It is now, so you can see standings. Each member still needs to sign up individually to have their metres count.
Post by: Manotea on 09 March, 2011, 06:22:33 am
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 09 March, 2011, 06:41:29 am
Thanks, Simon.
Post by: Manotea on 09 March, 2011, 09:48:46 am
You can interrogate the card on the monitor or buy a card reader for your PC. C2 have their own badged reader but they are a standard piece of kit gettable for half the price on eBay. Clicky. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200572291990&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Post by: Gus on 09 March, 2011, 01:18:17 pm
But I hope to complete it :thumbsup:
Oh and I have signed up for the team challenge for YACF. I might just as well row since there are no
signs of spring yet. :(
Post by: Gus on 15 March, 2011, 09:54:15 am
New PB on 10.000 meters 43.08 :D all most an improvement of 3 minutes in a month,
I'm getting fitter again.
Post by: simonp on 16 March, 2011, 11:32:26 pm
The first was 44:44.1; the second 44:44.4. Only took two attempts to hit it.
No, I'm not going to be trying for 33:33.3 next.
Post by: simonp on 17 March, 2011, 11:09:05 pm
Post by: Manotea on 18 March, 2011, 07:56:57 am
Post by: Chris S on 20 March, 2011, 11:58:21 am
Woo Hoo!
Sub 20 still seems only a remote possibility - but you never know...
Post by: Gus on 20 March, 2011, 04:48:19 pm
I have lowered my 10 km PB to 41.58, but I could feel it in my body for 3 days. :(
I'm still in for March Madness and keep logging between 5 km and 15 km á day for the World Erg Challenge. :smug:
Post by: L CC on 20 March, 2011, 05:50:57 pm
I think my bum isgetting biggerbecoming more muscular. That's a good thing, right?
Hold on.. rowing may make my backside even bigger?
I'm not doing it any more!
Post by: lastant on 21 March, 2011, 01:19:19 pm
So, any tips on a good starter / beginners programme at all?
Post by: simonp on 21 March, 2011, 01:34:28 pm
Post by: Chris S on 21 March, 2011, 06:05:23 pm
So, any tips on a good starter / beginners programme at all?
Here's one of my early posts from up-thread, re - technique.
Cross Training: Rowing (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg427062#msg427062)
Post by: Greenbank on 24 March, 2011, 09:46:52 am
Screengrab of the numbers from his test:-
http://www.greenbank.org/misc/rowscreengrab.jpg
Averaging over 500W for more than 4 minutes. Eeek.
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2011, 09:56:54 am
Post by: Panoramix on 24 March, 2011, 12:37:29 pm
You need about 2 x ( Panoramix when he was 30 years old) to make 1 of him! And he weights just 30% more than me.
I have no idea what my 2k time would be today, he is probably worth 2.5 panoramixes now!
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2011, 01:05:39 pm
I think this should be the new SI unit of rowing.
Post by: Panoramix on 25 March, 2011, 12:29:45 am
Concept2 Training Guide - Training - Concept2 (http://concept2.co.uk/training/guide/watts_conversion)
The Panoramix is (or was) worth about 275W (My PB was 7:05).
I was rowing and my fitness compared to others was not exceptional tbh, there was one or 2 ergo beasts able to pull a 6:30. Typically properly trained men were doing 6:50. They got me from 7:30 to 7:05 in 4 months :o but I then met the soon to be Mrs P...
Post by: simonp on 25 March, 2011, 12:44:08 am
7:26 is my best time. I could average 293W for 5 minutes on the bike, in 2009. So >250W for 7 - 8 minutes seems do-able in principle.
But it'd hurt.
Post by: Panoramix on 25 March, 2011, 12:49:01 am
For some reason I would always have a bad patch at some point!
Post by: lastant on 25 March, 2011, 10:35:33 am
Have a look at the concept ii website. They have technique advice on there. I'd suggest starting with no more than 2km and at a fairly easy pace, and don't be tempted to set the level high. Keep the stroke rate down to about 25spm and concentrate on form.
So I went and started today, using this advice, and did 2015m in 09:40 (average stroke rate of 27spm) - it felt reasonably comfortable so pretty sure I could push it. Having a look at the training programmes on the website now to get myself geared up to regular sessions.
Also took the liberty of signing up to the YACF group on the website. Apologies if this isn't welcome, can quite easily 'de-sign' if necessary!
Post by: simonp on 25 March, 2011, 12:03:29 pm
I have been taking it fairly easy and outputting about 160W. Colleague was at the gym and saw me doing that, and commented that I hardly seemed to be making any effort or breathing particularly. This is the kind of power I do all day on the bike so it's not surprising really that I can do it comfortably now.
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
Post by: Gus on 25 March, 2011, 01:04:26 pm
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
:sick: I would die if I tried that. But I'm improving my fitness on today's 5000 m I finished
the last 2000m in 7.50minutes (217W), that is WAY faster than I thought I could manage and my PB for
that distance. :-[
But for 10000m I'm not able to get higher than 175W
Post by: Manotea on 25 March, 2011, 10:01:28 pm
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
:sick: I would die if I tried that. But I'm improving my fitness on today's 5000 m I finished
the last 2000m in 7.50minutes (217W), that is WAY faster than I thought I could manage and my PB for
that distance. :-[
But for 10000m I'm not able to get higher than 175W
It's funny how one gets a second wind for the last section. No need to conserve energy, just go for it and get the pain over asap!
Post by: simonp on 25 March, 2011, 10:20:21 pm
200W for 10,000m is very hard for me though. I only did that once.
:sick: I would die if I tried that. But I'm improving my fitness on today's 5000 m I finished
the last 2000m in 7.50minutes (217W), that is WAY faster than I thought I could manage and my PB for
that distance. :-[
But for 10000m I'm not able to get higher than 175W
Correction. 1:58.4 average pace is 210.9W.
My 5k PB is around 238W; 2k PB 252W.
I think I should be able to do a faster 2k time now. Motivation may be the issue. Getting down to 7:00 requires maintaining just over 300W. I don't think I could do that.
Post by: Panoramix on 26 March, 2011, 08:45:58 am
I think I should be able to do a faster 2k time now. Motivation may be the issue. Getting down to 7:00 requires maintaining just over 300W.
I would guess that motivation and resistance to pain is probably worth about 15s. To be consistently at your "physiological" max power output requires a great deal of will power IMO.
Most rowing races at amateur level are won or lost when part of the crew looses the will to live! I used to really enjoy my rowing but still not sure why one should enjoy such a masochistic sport.
In some way audaxing is diametrically opposed to rowing. 15 hours very low intensity vs 10 minutes very high intensity.
I tend to climb a bit better than the average audaxer and I suspect that it is a legacy from my rowing time.
Post by: Gus on 27 March, 2011, 01:23:54 pm
It's funny how one gets a second wind for the last section. No need to conserve energy, just go for it and get the pain over asap!
I have just tried your advice (http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Schilder/89.gif) (http://prepaid.putblog.com/) I spend 7 hours doing absolutely nothing at work, I was on Backup if someone overslept or was sick.
so I started with a 5000m warm up on just under 22 minutes and then tried 2000m on full speed.
Result : I lowered my PB with 21 seconds to 7.30,0 or 245,8W average :D :D
:thumbsup: THANK YOU Manotea :thumbsup:
Post by: Manotea on 27 March, 2011, 09:26:22 pm
It's funny how one gets a second wind for the last section. No need to conserve energy, just go for it and get the pain over asap!
I have just tried your advice (http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Schilder/89.gif) (http://prepaid.putblog.com/) I spend 7 hours doing absolutely nothing at work, I was on Backup if someone overslept or was sick.
so I started with a 5000m warm up on just under 22 minutes and then tried 2000m on full speed.
Result : I lowered my PB with 21 seconds to 7.30,0 or 245,8W average :D :D
:thumbsup: THANK YOU Manotea :thumbsup:
Well done, Gus. Do you log your times on the C2 website (logbook)?
I'm going have a proper go at hitting my targets for the ranking distances before the C2 season ends at the end of April. I'd be quite happy with a 7:30/2k; currently I'm sitting 7:38.
Post by: Gus on 28 March, 2011, 11:21:04 am
Well done, Gus. Do you log your times on the C2 website (logbook)?
I'm going have a proper go at hitting my targets for the ranking distances before the C2 season ends at the end of April. I'd be quite happy with a 7:30/2k; currently I'm sitting 7:38.
Yes I log all my workouts on the C2 logbook and I've joined the YACF team for the World Erg too.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 28 March, 2011, 05:31:18 pm
I think the key is a really good warm-up; with long steady-state efforts (40 mins-plus) I just get into it, but a 2K needs a really serious warm-up. I think your 5k beforehand did just that. 10-stroke race pace bursts (one each minute, then slow & light) also recommended for the last 5 minutes to get really hot & sweaty, & get race face gurning sorted out.
Marco
Post by: lastant on 30 March, 2011, 11:41:23 am
Anyway, having now had a look at the Paul's Beginner Training Plan (http://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/beginner-training/) I think I'm going to follow that to give me some structure over the next six-ish months (!!!).
Just one question - I've noticed on there, and the advice here, that I should keep the strokes per minute to c.25. Is the reasoning behind this to ensure correct technique and develop power?
Post by: Manotea on 31 March, 2011, 11:45:05 pm
Somebody who knows what they are talking about will be along soon.
Post by: JJ on 01 April, 2011, 01:07:13 am
There's detail in there. How you connect the drive through from your legs to your hands matters, so that you don't lose length from the power cycle. So does how quickly and smoothly you pick up the drive at the start, and how well you use the minor muscles in your shoulders and lats to get that last little bit, but the crux is there, in the long acceleration.
A half-good analogy is spinning a wheel on an upturned bike, with the flat of your hand. Lots of little taps won't make it go as quick as a few really long fast ones.
My back's knackered now so I'm not touching rowing, but last year I would do 10K at 21-22 spm, maybe rising to 24 at the end. I might do 2k nearer 28. I have history, so I would use a lower rate than a cyclist convert to indoor rowing, but YSWIM.
In a real boat there are other things that come into play. Not waving all that body mass around lets the shell ride smoothly over the surface, creates less wake and is generally more efficient. On the other hand the slowdown between strokes is much more non-linear, so you need to maintain a higher stroke rate to catch the boat before it's lost too much speed.
Rowers spend a lot of time rehearsing a perfect stroke at low SPM so that it will hold together and stay smooth at 40 spm, but concept 2 is simpler.
Post by: rower40 on 06 April, 2011, 09:54:45 pm
Lots of onlookers in the park, the pub garden etc. Yes I made it look easy. Because it is. 8)
Post by: Manotea on 06 April, 2011, 10:44:36 pm
The choice offered by the two nearest clubs (just round the corner from the gym as it happens) is a race oriented club and another club with a more recreational basis. I'll have to go along and have a chat and see what's what.
Post by: Panoramix on 07 April, 2011, 12:52:11 pm
I'm thinking of dropping my gym membership and joining a local rowing club as a 'land' member (for the time being at least). It would probably be cheaper and provide a better training environment. For training purposes all I need is access to Ergs and basic free weights. I do quite fancy learning to scull though, maybe a project for the winter.
The choice offered by the two nearest clubs (just round the corner from the gym as it happens) is a race oriented club and another club with a more recreational basis. I'll have to go along and have a chat and see what's what.
Good move but if you want to learn sculling do it in the spring or summer when the water is slower and warmer!
Post by: Manotea on 07 April, 2011, 03:14:55 pm
Post by: Manotea on 11 April, 2011, 05:47:45 pm
Post by: mike on 11 April, 2011, 07:11:32 pm
I'm thinking of dropping my gym membership and joining a local rowing club as a 'land' member (for the time being at least). It would probably be cheaper and provide a better training environment. For training purposes all I need is access to Ergs and basic free weights. I do quite fancy learning to scull though, maybe a project for the winter.
The choice offered by the two nearest clubs (just round the corner from the gym as it happens) is a race oriented club and another club with a more recreational basis. I'll have to go along and have a chat and see what's what.
careful, sculling is addictive.. even without a 'learn to scull' course they might be able to figure something out for you, specially as you've got the base erg work.
Post by: JJ on 11 April, 2011, 09:09:29 pm
Post by: Manotea on 11 April, 2011, 10:25:21 pm
Post by: mike on 11 April, 2011, 10:34:52 pm
Post by: Manotea on 11 April, 2011, 10:39:32 pm
nooo.. do it online then we can all see your decline into early morning 8s outings instead of audax.. :DRest assured, that's not going to happen. The big attraction of rowing is using an erg in a nice warm brightly lit gym whilst listening to Terry Pratchitt Discworld novels on my ipod. I've just finish #4, Mort. There are about another 50 to go...
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 12:22:50 pm
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2011, 12:28:06 pm
I did a 20:12.0 5k last night. I ran to the gym, and I was finding it pretty easy around 170W so I pushed the pace to over 200W as I went on. I reckon if I tried in the middle of last week after the BC 400 then I'd have been very slow, but after a week I felt pretty fit.
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2011, 04:13:44 pm
Post by: simonp on 01 June, 2011, 07:00:34 pm
My excuse is a wrist injury. What's yours?
Post by: Gus on 01 June, 2011, 07:20:07 pm
I'm still rowing 2-3 times/week, but using the bike more now.
I'm now around 2,04/500m for 30min sessions, but I really need to get a better technique.
I'm going to break 300.000 meter mark tomorrow and try to row 70-100 km/ month during the summer.
But I'm going to use it more in the autumn as training/replacement for cross country skiing before the winter
season.
Post by: Manotea on 01 June, 2011, 07:20:26 pm
Post by: Chris S on 01 June, 2011, 10:30:24 pm
Istm that long distance riding and rowing don't really mix. Went thru a period where I could barely manage 5k which is a laugh as I did have my eye on a marathon. That will have to wait till the winter now. Im back up to a 44m/10km with last 2km sub 8min which isn't too bad. I want to keep this going for my C2 Rowdonneur 1mM badge. Sadly the season starts in May so the clock has reset. About 80km for May.
I agree completely. I have stopped rowing completely, in favour of audax.
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2011, 01:25:53 pm
Post by: simonp on 03 June, 2011, 09:01:45 pm
Post by: Manotea on 19 June, 2011, 06:51:26 pm
Post by: Manotea on 02 October, 2011, 03:18:53 pm
When I got home I typed the fateful words 'scull' and 'sale' into google. I pointed out some nice used boats to Mrs Manotea going cheap (~3K, not that I've got 3K in loose change at the moment, and FWIW my PBP bike cost nearer 300), 'Look, this one has aero riggers'. She said,and I quote, 'I can't stand the way you become interested in something and become any instant aficionado'. Moi?
Post by: Manotea on 04 October, 2011, 11:15:22 pm
The joy of being a so-so rider is in being intimidated by lean types who quite simply are faster than you will ever be.
The joy of being a so-so rower is being intimidated by young fit types who quite simply are just bigger then you are (and young and fit).
Post by: Chris S on 17 October, 2011, 10:04:52 pm
The "off-season" approaches.
What plans have we for Team YACF this winter?
Post by: simonp on 17 October, 2011, 10:54:02 pm
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
Post by: Feline on 18 October, 2011, 12:21:27 am
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
You could always row around on Cheddar reservoir :D
Post by: Panoramix on 18 October, 2011, 06:23:59 am
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
You could always row around on Cheddar reservoir :D
Or take up proper rowing with proper oars on proper boats (http://bristolgigclub.weebly.com/welcome.html), with none of this sliddy seats, carbon fibre non sense. ;)
Post by: mike on 18 October, 2011, 06:45:20 am
Oh. Umm. Yeah.
I expect I'll be too busy this winter to get much rowing in. But don't let me stop you.
You could always row around on Cheddar reservoir :D
Or take up proper rowing with proper oars on proper boats (http://bristolgigclub.weebly.com/welcome.html), with none of this sliddy seats, carbon fibre non sense. ;)
burn the heretic!!!! http://www.bristolrowing.co.uk/learn2row.php
Post by: Panoramix on 18 October, 2011, 09:19:37 am
(http://bristolgigclub.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/9/7/6597427/9433290_orig.jpg)
Post by: Gus on 01 November, 2011, 09:26:52 am
I've just started up again after injuries and bad excuses :facepalm:
5000 m in 21.53 seems allright to me.
My goal is 300 km befor January 1. ;D
Post by: Manotea on 01 November, 2011, 05:47:40 pm
I may even get on the water!
Post by: Jakob on 01 November, 2011, 06:12:20 pm
Post by: Jakob on 01 November, 2011, 07:05:54 pm
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2012, 07:56:19 pm
(bangs on door of YACF Dorm)
OI! You Lot! ANYONE AWAKE? Or are we all hibernating?
The Virtual Team Challenge has begun over at Concept II. Are we doing anything this year?
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 08:10:56 pm
How does the team challenge thingamajig work?
Post by: Chris S on 03 January, 2012, 08:16:50 pm
Our team needs to be entered into the Virtual Team Challenge (This needs to be done by the 15th Jan - others have done it in the past; probably SimonP).
We need to log our rowing exploits using our Concept II online logbooks, and Do Wondrous Things on our Concept IIs in the month of January.
Post by: Manotea on 03 January, 2012, 09:19:48 pm
25x4x10km. Easy.
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2012, 10:25:12 pm
I did my longest ever row today at 30 minutes 5716m.
It's so dull!
I'm taking the training very seriously and tbh, it's appalling how little fitness/strength I have for anything but mashing big gears on a bike.
O well. Onwards and upwards.
Post by: Manotea on 03 January, 2012, 10:38:31 pm
I'm around 47 minutes for 10km right now. I've got a lot of work to do to get back to where I was last year, circa (but not quite) 40 minutes.
Post by: Manotea on 03 January, 2012, 10:47:46 pm
Well. You have to be a member of the YACF Virtual Team at Concept.
Our team needs to be entered into the Virtual Team Challenge (This needs to be done by the 15th Jan - others have done it in the past; probably SimonP).
We need to log our rowing exploits using our Concept II online logbooks, and Do Wondrous Things on our Concept IIs in the month of January.
Paging Mr Proven, Paging Mr Proven....
Post by: simonp on 03 January, 2012, 11:24:21 pm
Well. You have to be a member of the YACF Virtual Team at Concept.
Our team needs to be entered into the Virtual Team Challenge (This needs to be done by the 15th Jan - others have done it in the past; probably SimonP).
We need to log our rowing exploits using our Concept II online logbooks, and Do Wondrous Things on our Concept IIs in the month of January.
Paging Mr Proven, Paging Mr Proven....
Is done.
Post by: simonp on 04 January, 2012, 01:04:32 am
Jeepers. How on earth do you manage it?
I did my longest ever row today at 30 minutes 5716m.
It's so dull!
I'm taking the training very seriously and tbh, it's appalling how little fitness/strength I have for anything but mashing big gears on a bike.
O well. Onwards and upwards.
On the dullness thing, I listen to music to make it less tedious. A 5000m distance is a bit more manageable and the reward is the time taken reduces as you improve.
You’re probably over-using your arms and rowing at too high a stroke rate, just like everyone else who has posted similar messages over the past couple of years. :P
I’ve not been on a rowing machine for ages, just too many other things going on. I’ve only had time for five days at work in the past month…
Post by: L CC on 04 January, 2012, 10:00:58 am
5000m is just under 25 minutes for me.Jeepers. How on earth do you manage it?
I did my longest ever row today at 30 minutes 5716m.
It's so dull!
I'm taking the training very seriously and tbh, it's appalling how little fitness/strength I have for anything but mashing big gears on a bike.
O well. Onwards and upwards.
On the dullness thing, I listen to music to make it less tedious. A 5000m distance is a bit more manageable and the reward is the time taken reduces as you improve.
You’re probably over-using your arms and rowing at too high a stroke rate, just like everyone else who has posted similar messages over the past couple of years. :P
I’ve not been on a rowing machine for ages, just too many other things going on. I’ve only had time for five days at work in the past month…
I listen to music, but there's nothing to look at but the four walls. I get the same on the turbo- I just find it very dull.
My technique isn't that bad at all, (someone else has looked at it critically) I just have absolutely no upper body strength, what with being a very sedentary gurl. I can only lift Chris's 7.5kg kettle thingies about half a dozen times.
When I first started I had fairly crippling DOMS in my shoulders, back and abdomen. I just have no muscle tone/ strength there at all. Rowing still gives me blisters/callouses on my hands and NO I'M NOT GRIPPING THE BAR TOO HARD (I don't 'grip' it at all, it just sits there) but there's an assumption of a basic level of fitness because I'm a cyclist. I'm a big fat soft bundle of lard- I don't have any other fitness, at all, just whopping great leg muscles.
Back when I did a proper job milking cows, I was a different shape, and would probably have made a better rower.
I'm working on the principle that yes, I am an embarrassingly shit rower, but it's burning calories, building muscle, and using somewhat different muscles from cycling, and that's kind of the point of cross training. It's not like I'm ever likely to join a rowing club, race anyone, or need to row my way out of trouble, is it?
I only want it to be less dull so I can keep motivated to keep doing it.
Post by: Chris S on 04 January, 2012, 10:21:58 am
I got off the rower this morning (at the gym) as someone else was getting started on the next machine. Their technique was dreadful - all arms and thrashing. Consequently, he was working at 35spm for a 2:30 split and clearly working hard (in a frenetic, sweaty kind of way), whereas the display on the machine I'd just vacated showed 21spm for an average 2:14 split for 5K. I'm no rower - all I did was watch a You Tube video and experiment, and got loads of excellent advice here. Of course, you could argue that he was getting the better workout, but TBH he looked like he was going to injure himself.
Fboab used the same video as me - though I haven't seen her row to know if she's picked up any bad habits ;)
Indoor rowing is dull. If you do it in an empty room at home, even more so. At least I got to watch some people on the treadmills this morning(while I listened to The Subtle Knife audiobook on my MP3 player). And I was still bored enough to give up after 5K rather than do my intended 10K.
Fboab uses a motivational website which channels MTFU soundbites. In response to complaints about dullness, I believe it would say something like - "Hey, you're inside nice and warm and dry - not outside getting wet or breaking bones on the ice. MTFU!" ;D
Post by: Chris S on 04 January, 2012, 11:08:04 am
Is done.
Thanks :thumbsup:
Post by: liam_whippet on 04 January, 2012, 07:53:45 pm
I'm in.
5K. 22mins anna bit.
First time on the thing since, er, end of last Jan. ;)
Post by: essexian on 26 January, 2012, 02:37:29 pm
As a beginner to rowing machines, and not a fit one at that, what sort of targets should I be looking at and are there any websites (apart from this one), I should go to for tips? I am 50 and over 120kg. My cycling fitness is reasonable but I have no real upper body strength.
I have just been to my gym and did 150 stokes covering 1 200 metres in around 6 mins, not really pushing myself that hard (I did stop to shoo away one of my cats). How long should my stroke be? Is 8 metres per pull about right? And how do I use my legs more? (I seem to slide without a major effort). Finally, is 3mins to 3.30m about right for 1km as a stroke rate or should I aim for faster?
Post by: rower40 on 26 January, 2012, 02:57:34 pm
The rowing standard unit is minutes/500m; the ergo's main display should be set to show this as the big figure in the middle. It's often referred to as the "split time" - i.e. how long it would take you, at your current pace, to cover 1/4 of an Olympic Regatta course (2km). 2m30 (i.e. the split required to cover 1200m in 6mins) is doing well for a n00b of the physiology you describe.
Points to note:
1) Set the resistance to 3 out of 10. High resistance leads to a heavy pick-up on the catch; heavy pick-up leads to back injury, back injury leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side...
2) Hands Body Slide. I can't stress this enough. On the way forward, hold the legs straight until your hands are beyond your knees. Don't lunge at the catch.
3) At the catch, your shins should be vertical. Too much body-lean means you can't get your bum up the slide enough.
4) Pivotting the body from the hips, it leans only 10 degrees forward of vertical to 10 degrees behind vertical. Use a mirror to check what it looks like.
5) Twice as long on the way forward as on the way back. I.e. don't rush UP the slide. Rating 20 means 1 stroke every 3 seconds, of which 1 second is the power phase, and 2 seconds are the recovery.
6) Don't STOP at the end of the power phase. Keep the hands moving in a circular motion, and throw them away from the body in preparation for the recovery up the slide.
Stroke rate is strokes-per-minute. Top right figure on the Concept II display; should be somewhere between 20-30 strokes per min. 30 for a short sprint, 20 for a long burn.
(Sorry, a bit of a ramble there. Without seeing video of your ergo technique, I can't really comment! Get yourself to your local Rowing Club for some expert coaching. DON'T assume someone working for a gym knows the first thing about how to use a rowing machine.)
Post by: Chris S on 26 January, 2012, 03:13:50 pm
May I ask a number of stupid questions please....
As a beginner to rowing machines, and not a fit one at that, what sort of targets should I be looking at and are there any websites (apart from this one), I should go to for tips? I am 50 and over 120kg. My cycling fitness is reasonable but I have no real upper body strength.
I have just been to my gym and did 150 stokes covering 1 200 metres in around 6 mins, not really pushing myself that hard (I did stop to shoo away one of my cats). How long should my stroke be? Is 8 metres per pull about right? And how do I use my legs more? (I seem to slide without a major effort). Finally, is 3mins to 3.30m about right for 1km as a stroke rate or should I aim for faster?
Rower40's answer is feature rich.
I'll add my 1/2p which is a reference to where I posted a short fillum of me on my
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg789325#msg789325
My technique seems largely in keeping with Rower40's suggestions.
Post by: L CC on 26 January, 2012, 09:40:19 pm
But- I am rubbish! and- it's very dull, even with the audiobooks I'm counting down the minutes of tedious suffering.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 28 January, 2012, 05:10:51 pm
May I ask a number of stupid questions please....
As a beginner to rowing machines, and not a fit one at that, what sort of targets should I be looking at and are there any websites (apart from this one), I should go to for tips? I am 50 and over 120kg. My cycling fitness is reasonable but I have no real upper body strength.
I have just been to my gym and did 150 stokes covering 1 200 metres in around 6 mins, not really pushing myself that hard (I did stop to shoo away one of my cats). How long should my stroke be? Is 8 metres per pull about right? And how do I use my legs more? (I seem to slide without a major effort). Finally, is 3mins to 3.30m about right for 1km as a stroke rate or should I aim for faster?
Not that much upper body strength needed - rowing is a pushing sport & most of the power comes from leg drive. Follow rower40's good advice; I would add slow down a bit, i.e. less strokes per minute (22-26) & give yourself more time to think about the stroke, it will help in the long run. I won't comment on your split times as I don't know how fit you are, but start easy and build it up slowly over time as you get stronger.
Push with legs (squeeze power on, don't stomp), connect legs with handle through the trunk, open the back smoothly from about halfway through the stroke, finish with arms (think about steady acceleration of the handle throughout the stroke - this will feel like steady pressure in your fingers). Grip securely with wrists & backs of hands flat, but keep relaxed, particularly on the recovery (coming forward), you will need this as you get faster.
The UK Concept 2 website has a forum at http://concept2.co.uk/forum/ with all sorts of stuff on it. Hope you enjoy it.
Post by: essexian on 30 January, 2012, 09:34:47 am
I tend, it seems, to you my arms more than I should during the pull: my legs don't seem to get that much of a work out compared to my arms. Perhaps I should change the angle of the seat so I am pushing a little more uphill (not sure if I can but perhaps a book under the legs might work?)
Oh, I have a York Magair 300 rower. I know its not as good as the Concept Machines but I brought it for £30 off ebay new from a bloke who had brought it, used it once and hated it.... got my treat mill and multigym the same way!
Thanks again.
Post by: L CC on 20 February, 2012, 11:53:50 am
I'm now above the 50th percentile1 (and, tbh, quite chuffed).
I think it's circuit training- doing wonders for my upper body strength, building it faster than the rowing alone does. I'm also focusing more on the breathing- out on the pull, and in on the return. I'm finding it less tedious, too, by being very mindful while I'm doing it.
1:For Heavyweight Over 40 wimmin.
Post by: L CC on 06 March, 2012, 01:42:14 pm
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 11:22:05 am
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 01:55:13 pm
Post by: Feline on 07 March, 2012, 01:58:50 pm
I'll have a look later. I'm not going to be able to contribute any metres at all having neither the time nor a gym membership ATM.
Your gym-inna-garage awaits you ;)
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2012, 02:38:32 pm
I'll have a look later. I'm not going to be able to contribute any metres at all having neither the time nor a gym membership ATM.
Your gym-inna-garage awaits you ;)
:-*
Post by: Gus on 12 April, 2012, 11:22:25 am
So I did my second row session since new year.
10.000 meters in 42.15,5 That ain't so bad for an overweight middleaged git. :D
Seems my VO2MAX and general fitness have imroved. :thumbsup:
Post by: Manotea on 28 August, 2012, 09:48:19 am
Post by: Manotea on 28 August, 2012, 03:38:18 pm
I missed the RowLympics Challenge but just in time for the PaRowLympics individual challenge, and hopefully will be getting my act together for the team Fall challenge starting Sept 15.
Post by: L CC on 28 August, 2012, 08:35:03 pm
hopefully will be getting my act together for the team Fall challenge starting Sept 15.
Hear that Mr Smith?
We too will be 'picking it up' in the autumn. I'm not convinced my wrist can take rowing, it's not all that fond of cycling, tbh, but I'm getting fed up with the long long list of stuff that I either can't do or hurts, so bollox to that, we'll give it a go.
Diaried, as they say.
Post by: Chris S on 29 August, 2012, 10:06:05 am
Post by: Manotea on 10 September, 2012, 11:10:18 am
Post by: L CC on 10 September, 2012, 01:20:43 pm
So far so good. :thumbsup:
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 13 September, 2012, 07:30:40 am
Get Fit 2012 a.k.a Stepping From The Wreckage!Shall I enter yacf for the fall challenge? I will not be doing loads of meters, but could do with an incentive to get back in the gym. Or have we entered already and I couldn't find it?
I missed the RowLympics Challenge but just in time for the PaRowLympics individual challenge, and hopefully will be getting my act together for the team Fall challenge starting Sept 15.
Post by: simonp on 13 September, 2012, 08:22:39 am
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 13 September, 2012, 10:56:55 am
I'll do the necessary later.Excellent, and thanks also to Howard. I've entered the FTC.
Post by: simonp on 13 September, 2012, 11:10:08 am
I'll do the necessary later.Excellent, and thanks also to Howard. I've entered the FTC.
Done.
Post by: L CC on 13 September, 2012, 11:40:59 am
I've entered the FTC.
Ditto.
I'm aiming for 3 x 5000/week. Any more is just
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 17 September, 2012, 01:31:37 pm
Post by: Manotea on 17 September, 2012, 01:50:04 pm
Audio books are your friend. I've seen off all the Discworld & Sharpe books. Next up, Hornblower! Cast me adrift, Mr Christian! (er, sorry wrong, wrong author...)I've entered the FTC.
Ditto.
I'm aiming for 3 x 5000/week. Any more is justtoo tediousoverdoing it.
Post by: L CC on 17 September, 2012, 04:28:31 pm
I tried with audiobooks1 and failed. At the moment I'm trying to be more Mindful- works at going faster AND making the time pass.Audio books are your friend. I've seen off all the Discworld & Sharpe books. Next up, Hornblower! Cast me adrift, Mr Christian! (er, sorry wrong, wrong author...)I've entered the FTC.
Ditto.
I'm aiming for 3 x 5000/week. Any more is justtoo tediousoverdoing it.
1I didn't get on with Pterry,
<burn the heretic
Post by: simonp on 17 September, 2012, 10:26:11 pm
It’ll be a while before I get anywhere near 39:29 for 10,000m, but.
Post by: Manotea on 18 September, 2012, 08:30:22 am
Post by: Chris S on 18 September, 2012, 12:59:21 pm
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2012, 02:06:17 pm
Post by: Gus on 18 September, 2012, 05:26:26 pm
Post by: Manotea on 18 September, 2012, 08:50:42 pm
The London Sightseer on Sunday has obviously tuckered me out; I could barely manage 2500 last night.Barely made it to 3k tonight. What's up with me?
Post by: Feline on 18 September, 2012, 08:57:46 pm
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
Well, I am awaiting an induction on the equipment before I am actually allowed to use it :D
Post by: Chris S on 18 September, 2012, 09:25:21 pm
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
Well, I am awaiting an induction on the equipment before I am actually allowed to use it :D
Pfft...! This is all you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA
Post by: L CC on 18 September, 2012, 09:40:09 pm
You've forgotten how to work through the pain?The London Sightseer on Sunday has obviously tuckered me out; I could barely manage 2500 last night.Barely made it to 3k tonight. What's up with me?
It's going to be a while before I regain the dizzy heights of sub-25minute 5k. :facepalm:
It's just getting used to it again, I think. My splits get faster for each 1000m.
Post by: Feline on 18 September, 2012, 09:53:37 pm
I'm trying to recruit Feline to the cause.
Well, I am awaiting an induction on the equipment before I am actually allowed to use it :D
Pfft...! This is all you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVmMd7FdAA
Heh thanks :thumbsup:
They won't let me inside the fitness suite until I have my induction on Friday though :'(
There was a special offer on joining the gym this week so all the induction slots got booked up. I could annihilate myself at a spinning class or two while I wait though!
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2012, 09:53:52 pm
I was looking at my times from the 2011 season yesterday. Just to
Post by: Chris S on 18 September, 2012, 10:05:08 pm
There’s a lot of good advice on this thread as well...
Including a film of me rowing :facepalm:
...though it might be hard to find.
Phew!
Post by: L CC on 19 September, 2012, 08:27:43 pm
I've got blisters at the base of my fingers.
Will they just harden up to callouses as I do it more often? Am I just a delicate flower who needs to MTFU?
I'm not gripping, the bar just rests in my hand.
Post by: Gus on 19 September, 2012, 08:35:14 pm
I used to get blisters if I started rowing 10 km without doing some 5 km or 30 min. in the weeks before.
I have even been using gloves from time to time.
So you are not the only delicate flower. ;)
Post by: simonp on 19 September, 2012, 08:36:49 pm
So. Blisters.
I've got blisters at the base of my fingers.
Will they just harden up to callouses as I do it more often? Am I just a delicate flower who needs to MTFU?
I'm not gripping, the bar just rests in my hand.
I think I get them every time I return after a break, but much less so now I do as you say and not grip the bar hard. The calluses do eventually form, IME, but I’ve had blisters under the calluses before. One thing I did was put Compeed foot blister patches on, they stick well. I tried zinc tape but I can never get it to stay put.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 19 September, 2012, 09:01:33 pm
So. Blisters.
I've got blisters at the base of my fingers.
Will they just harden up to callouses as I do it more often? Am I just a delicate flower who needs to MTFU?
I'm not gripping, the bar just rests in my hand.
They should harden. Are they on your palm at the base of the fingers, or actually on the fingers? I actually have the handle hooked in the first finger joints (i.e. the next one down from the knuckle) and have no problem with blisters (using the older wooden handle & foam grips).
Weirdly though, I have significantly more callouses on my right hand than my left, from ostensibly doing exactly the same thing with each hand when sculling (not using C2 grips). Newer C2 sculling grips give me blisters within 30 minutes, and I find the newer plastic C2 indoor rower handles uncomfortable as well; they are rather different to the old ones.
Post by: L CC on 19 September, 2012, 09:17:47 pm
They're mostly at the base of my fingers, a couple of fingers have them behind the joint. They're worse on the left hand- but I think that's just softer skin as I do so little with it, particularly over the last 6 months while it's been healing. On the plus side- I get no wrist pain from rowing, so much so that I can dispense with the support. This is a Big Deal- I can't ride a bike for longer than about 10 minutes without having some discomfort. It makes rowing quite appealing (and I never thought I'd say that!)
Post by: Feline on 21 September, 2012, 06:47:26 pm
What do I need to register with for the challenge thingie?
Post by: mike on 21 September, 2012, 06:50:20 pm
Weirdly though, I have significantly more callouses on my right hand than my left, from ostensibly doing exactly the same thing with each hand when sculling (not using C2 grips).
I used to get the same, I think the left grip is looser because it's slightly behind through the stroke, so it's held more in fingers than hand.
I miss sculling :(
Post by: simonp on 21 September, 2012, 06:50:39 pm
I had my gym induction today and had a go on the rowing machine. I was pretty rubbish, but have yet to get any blisters.
What do I need to register with for the challenge thingie?
http://log.concept2.com/log_start.asp?p=/log.asp
Click on register on the left. Once you’ve done that, and are logged in, click teams, and join the yacf team. You will then also need to click on challenges to register for the challenge, which is the Fall Team Challenge at the moment.
Post by: simonp on 21 September, 2012, 06:53:37 pm
Ah well - never afraid to open myself to ridicule - so here we go, rate my technique.
FWIW - I was maintaining 22spm, and 2:10/500 split. This is the first time I've looked at my technique. I think I get too far forward, which in turn means my heels raise up and I push back off my toes.
Chris S Rowing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3WRUyNRj8I)
Looks pretty good to me. May be you can use a bit more your body to achieve a longer stroke.
Hah, found it!
Post by: Feline on 21 September, 2012, 07:02:59 pm
I had my gym induction today and had a go on the rowing machine. I was pretty rubbish, but have yet to get any blisters.
What do I need to register with for the challenge thingie?
http://log.concept2.com/log_start.asp?p=/log.asp
Click on register on the left. Once you’ve done that, and are logged in, click teams, and join the yacf team. You will then also need to click on challenges to register for the challenge, which is the Fall Team Challenge at the moment.
I am ranked 13th out of 25 in my category :o
Now I need to watch the technique video, because I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with my feet while I was rowing (they were tending to rock on the plate thingies).
Post by: L CC on 21 September, 2012, 07:30:41 pm
I thought I sped up as I went, but tonight was weird, it was as if a switch was flicked after 9 minutes, and I suddenly went considersbly faster for no greater perceived effort. If I CBA I'll try a proper 10 minute warm up before I do my next 5k and see if I can sustain that faster pace.
I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with my feet while I was rowing (they were tending to rock on the plate thingies).My legs are so short I need all the help I can get for stroke length. My feet rock. When I'm used to it I do 2:14/500m and I don't think that's bad for a short fat gurl, with no upper body strength.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 21 September, 2012, 08:35:17 pm
Didn't quite understand what the guy said about I should be sub 30 on the rests and around 45 on the work phase. No matter how hard I tried I could only get up to about 33....
Post by: mike on 21 September, 2012, 08:42:45 pm
IMHO rests should be < 20, and 33 is perfect for the hard bits.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 21 September, 2012, 09:30:33 pm
That's good though, I was wondering how it was possible!
Post by: simonp on 22 September, 2012, 10:02:54 am
Post by: Marco Stefano on 22 September, 2012, 02:52:32 pm
Tonight I did a 'quick' 2500m so I achieved my goal of 15000/week.
I thought I sped up as I went, but tonight was weird, it was as if a switch was flicked after 9 minutes, and I suddenly went considersbly faster for no greater perceived effort. If I CBA I'll try a proper 10 minute warm up before I do my next 5k and see if I can sustain that faster pace.I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with my feet while I was rowing (they were tending to rock on the plate thingies).My legs are so short I need all the help I can get for stroke length. My feet rock. When I'm used to it I do 2:14/500m and I don't think that's bad for a short fat gurl, with no upper body strength.
Proper warm-up makes a massive difference; partly enzyme systems ready and capillaries beds opened, & partly becoming a little more stretched out & hence a slightly longer stroke.
As simonp says, heels can raise or not, depending on your flexibility & how high you set the clog-thingys on the machine. Too high and you can feel as if you never get all the way forwards (because you can't), and too low and you can over-compress & can put more strain on the lower back at the start of the power phase. Needs a bit of experimentation to find your best position.
Post by: Feline on 22 September, 2012, 08:33:07 pm
Post by: Chris S on 24 September, 2012, 01:50:46 pm
I'd been forgetting to concentrate on the transition from the leg-drive in the first part of the stroke, to that last upper-body tug at the end of the stroke, when you're trying to row harder. When it feels like you are accelerating through the whole length of the stroke, it feels like you're doing more - and the split time certainly shows it.
I rowed a kind of saw-tooth in effort; 1000m of 2:18, followed by 500m of 2:12 and finally 500m of 2:05 or less before easing back off to 2:18. Varying the pace like this, and concentrating on maintaining a steady split, certainly makes the session pass by faster.
Post by: L CC on 24 September, 2012, 07:25:13 pm
If I CBA I'll try a proper 10 minute warm up before I do my next 5k and see if I can sustain that faster pace.I think we can safely say that worked.
750m warm up, (I couldn't be arsed with a full 10 minutes) and jumped from 83rd to 42nd in my category.
I sensed a slight risk of barf in the first 500m, I had to slow down Just In Case.
Post by: Gus on 24 September, 2012, 07:34:27 pm
I row with all most the same amounts of watts if I keep my legs straight ???
Are the output in watt comparable with other cardio machines or even my bike, if that's the
case I seems to loose around 65-100 watt with every stroke :(
Post by: Feline on 25 September, 2012, 03:33:56 pm
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
Post by: Chris S on 25 September, 2012, 09:18:06 pm
This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
Or possibly not. My heart rate on the rowing machine means something completely different to that when I'm cycling.
When I do 2x20 intervals on the bike, I maintain 165bpm for each work segment, or thereabouts. It feels tough, but sustainable for that length of time - just. If I tried that kind of heart rate on the rower, I would die.
When I'm balls-out going for it on the rower, the "about to puke" point is about 140bpm.
Post by: simonp on 25 September, 2012, 09:56:48 pm
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
You need to link your Concept II log to Facebook. :)
Post by: Feline on 25 September, 2012, 10:20:20 pm
This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
Or possibly not. My heart rate on the rowing machine means something completely different to that when I'm cycling.
When I do 2x20 intervals on the bike, I maintain 165bpm for each work segment, or thereabouts. It feels tough, but sustainable for that length of time - just. If I tried that kind of heart rate on the rower, I would die.
When I'm balls-out going for it on the rower, the "about to puke" point is about 140bpm.
Ah this is interesting. I've bought a bluetooth polar HR band because it works with all the gym equipment and my iPhone iCardio app.
I don't think I have configured my iCardio personal settings quite right because it had me at above my max HR for 15% of the 50 mins spinning and at VO2Max (HR 162-179) for 53%. My max HR was 186. http://my.digifit.com/site/share/workout/91d8eea1068511e297bb3f62a51bf2ea.html Basically it thinks my max HR should be 179 based on age etc., but I know I can hit 190 on a double chevron bike climb. When I first started cycling and got my Garmin I managed a HR over 200 (but felt like I was near death at the time, couldn't stop because I knew I hadn't the energy to unclip).
On the rowing machine I didn't make it above 173bpm, although I was only doing 1000m so I guess it would have climbed if I had kept going into anaerobicness! http://my.digifit.com/site/share/workout/74c34d07068811e29f1d3f62a51bf2ea.html
Post by: Feline on 25 September, 2012, 10:22:57 pm
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
You need to link your Concept II log to Facebook. :)
What, and tell everyone how rubbish I am? ;D
Post by: Panoramix on 25 September, 2012, 10:27:21 pm
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
IMHO You probably need to perfect your technique, you should be able to reach stupidly high bpm on the rowing machine. Legs, stomach muscles, shoulders and arms should all be sore after! At least this is how it used to work for me.
Post by: Feline on 25 September, 2012, 10:32:00 pm
I bettered my time last night by going slower, but I overdid the warm up somewhat with a 50 minute spin & abs class!
Tonight I'm going to an aqua fit class so I will do the rowing first instead. Interestingly my heart rate was much lower doing the rowing than it was spinning. This may well mean I'm doing it wrong!
IMHO You probably need to perfect your technique, you should be able to reach stupidly high bpm on the rowing machine. Legs, stomach muscles, shoulders and arms should all be sore after! At least this is how it used to work for me.
I have now watched the technique video so I should have more of a clue when I next try. Tonight everything aches, but that is probably a result of suddenly attending a heap of classes and gym sessions in the same week when my body hasn't yet got with the program!
Post by: Panoramix on 25 September, 2012, 10:40:52 pm
Post by: L CC on 26 September, 2012, 12:36:23 pm
Or possibly that's just me. :-[
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 26 September, 2012, 07:40:03 pm
That was after me trying to increase my running intervals by sprinting with the incline set at 4% and failing ( another fantastic piece of advice from the dude that visited my work on friday - not).
Tired nao :)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 26 September, 2012, 09:46:54 pm
Post by: Gus on 26 September, 2012, 09:54:30 pm
Post by: simonp on 28 September, 2012, 08:52:06 pm
Post by: Feline on 28 September, 2012, 10:55:53 pm
Post by: thesloth on 01 October, 2012, 10:51:33 pm
It's an old PM2. The digits are very faint only visible at an extreme angle.
A fair bit on the concept 2 forums about this. They say it's often caused by corrosion. Sure enough mine has allot of nasty stuff around the battery contacts.
Will look inside and see what I can achieve with my suspect skills. If I fail I guess its going to be:
Pro repair
New/used PM2
New/used PM3
Post by: thesloth on 02 October, 2012, 10:31:52 am
If it's really dead (have you tried new batteries?), you can have my old PM2, for postage cost. I stumbled across it in my garage the other day, wrapped in an old jiffy bag. I replaced it with a secondhand PM3 a year or two ago.
Thank you, that's a very kind offer. I have tried new batteries and they don't help. I'll open mine up tonight to see if there are any obvious faults that I can rectify first. If I don't have any joy I'll PM you.
Post by: thesloth on 03 October, 2012, 08:10:08 am
All seems to be working now.
Tested it with a 2000m this morning. Now I just need to do some work on the engine.
Post by: Feline on 04 October, 2012, 11:10:19 am
Post by: mike on 04 October, 2012, 11:24:57 am
we need a pic really, to judge bony-ness, then we can *really* help..... ;D
Post by: L CC on 04 October, 2012, 11:43:31 am
I have a LOT of cushioning.
These may be connected...
Post by: simonp on 04 October, 2012, 12:39:43 pm
I think I might have a bizarre rowing injury. This might fall into the TMI category, but I have a very painful sore area over my coxyx that I don't remember injuring. It is making sitting down painful. The only way I think it could have happened is while rowing. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I'm wondering if I should row in padded cycling shorts in future or take a cushion. It's not like I've tried any long distances yet either :-[
I think these are the seat pads Mike refers to, some gyms have them:
http://concept2.co.uk/shop/product/seat_pad_deluxe
Post by: simonp on 07 October, 2012, 06:27:41 pm
Given Feline’s still coughing from lurgy, and I’ve been feeling run down, we didn’t do too bad. Mine was a 7:20.3, which given that this is only my 4th go on an erg after a 12 month gap, I am quite surprised. It was bloody hard work though.
Interestingly my 5K times are still lagging by some way.
Post by: Gus on 09 October, 2012, 09:59:57 am
Lowered my 30 min record to 7222 meter, so in better shape than last year.
I hope to improve fitness over winter coming out stronger and faster than
I've been the last 10 years. :)
Post by: Feline on 16 October, 2012, 02:57:29 pm
Post by: LancashireLarry on 17 October, 2012, 12:58:30 pm
I have got a Concept II rower I've had for a number of years (I used to do a lot of rowing at local Leisure Centre around 2000/2001) and bought one for home use but then got in to the Audax riding and have progressed with that since.
As I aim to do longer rides, up to 400km's at moment I am aware of issues with aching neck and back and believe that a stronger core / upper body will help there - something I know that the rower was very good at developing.
Can anyone recommend which way round to do a mixed session of turbo training / rowing - say for three nights a week with about 90minutes available for each session.
Interesting to see mention of the Comic Relief million metre row - that was what got me hooked in 2000 - though I found out about it late on and ended up doing the million metres in 12weeks - it was before we had kids and I had nothing else better to do with my time - I used to pay £2 entry to the Leisure Centre and get my monies worth - up to 3.5 hours rowing (up to 50km sessions). I went from the heavyweight >75kg down in to the lightweight <75kg category about 4 weeks in to the rowing.
One of the issues I've had with getting going on the rowing is how disappointing my times are now, to be expected after many years not rowing and a few years older - I used to do the marathon (42195mts in rowing speak) in <2hr 45mins but was never that good at the shorter distances (probably why the Audax riding appeals and not time trialling as well!)
Anyway, I'll say thank you to some of you because reading through has definitely pushed me to get going again, stop focussing on what I could achieve previously and see what I can achieve now! Hopefully, I'll be back with some times soon - though I wont be rushing straight in to multi-hour sesssions just yet!
Post by: Feline on 17 October, 2012, 09:39:02 pm
Well, I posted a search for rowing / cycling cross training and this link came up. I haven't read through all 48pages (yet) so not sure if what I am about to ask has come up yet...
I have got a Concept II rower I've had for a number of years (I used to do a lot of rowing at local Leisure Centre around 2000/2001) and bought one for home use but then got in to the Audax riding and have progressed with that since.
As I aim to do longer rides, up to 400km's at moment I am aware of issues with aching neck and back and believe that a stronger core / upper body will help there - something I know that the rower was very good at developing.
Can anyone recommend which way round to do a mixed session of turbo training / rowing - say for three nights a week with about 90minutes available for each session.
Interesting to see mention of the Comic Relief million metre row - that was what got me hooked in 2000 - though I found out about it late on and ended up doing the million metres in 12weeks - it was before we had kids and I had nothing else better to do with my time - I used to pay £2 entry to the Leisure Centre and get my monies worth - up to 3.5 hours rowing (up to 50km sessions). I went from the heavyweight >75kg down in to the lightweight <75kg category about 4 weeks in to the rowing.
One of the issues I've had with getting going on the rowing is how disappointing my times are now, to be expected after many years not rowing and a few years older - I used to do the marathon (42195mts in rowing speak) in <2hr 45mins but was never that good at the shorter distances (probably why the Audax riding appeals and not time trialling as well!)
Anyway, I'll say thank you to some of you because reading through has definitely pushed me to get going again, stop focussing on what I could achieve previously and see what I can achieve now! Hopefully, I'll be back with some times soon - though I wont be rushing straight in to multi-hour sesssions just yet!
Sounds like your rowing achievements are very impressive Larry. I can't imagine doing it for hours, I find it pushes my heart rate much higher than running.
The problems you're having on your bike might be positional, if this were (lazy) me I would probably be getting a pro bike fit rather than rowing uber-miles!
Post by: LancashireLarry on 18 October, 2012, 03:01:06 pm
I've had a professional bike fit which has successfully removed the issues I had with my knees and has improved my lower back and neck to the point where it is not an acute problem.
I guess I am just aware that the cycling alone is not going to do much for core strength, though maybe the increased percentage of winter MTBing might help a little - the rowing should be of a general benefit and help with the back and neck.
I have no intention of building up to rowing marathon distances again - if I had that sort of time free now I would be out on the bike! The training sessions indoors are strictly for mid-week evenings through winter.
Mark (the LancashireLarry tag is simply a nickname I got when I came to work in Lincolnshire.)
Post by: thesloth on 24 October, 2012, 06:04:31 pm
Stumbled across this on the Concept2 'site today: Workout of the day (http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training/wod).
Looks good. I've subscribed. Good to have a bit of inspiration as up to now I haven't been doing much aside from set distances.
Will definitely be a while before I'm able to move from the short workouts to the mediums, never mind the long ones.
Post by: Bairn Again on 26 October, 2012, 08:05:59 pm
Am building back up starting at 2000m and adding 500m each time. Todays effort was 11m 42s for 3000m.
rowing is hard :(
Post by: Marco Stefano on 27 October, 2012, 09:23:17 pm
Interesting to see mention of the Comic Relief million metre row - that was what got me hooked in 2000 - though I found out about it late on and ended up doing the million metres in 12weeks - it was before we had kids and I had nothing else better to do with my time - I used to pay £2 entry to the Leisure Centre and get my monies worth - up to 3.5 hours rowing (up to 50km sessions). I went from the heavyweight >75kg down in to the lightweight <75kg category about 4 weeks in to the rowing.
I did One Million Metres too; I developed a chest infection in the last month and remember sitting in the garage doing the last 25 km on Comic Relief night.
Concept 2 UK website has several set programmes and an interactive programme too, where you can dial in time to event & sessions per week, but it is geared to 2 km racing. Marathon programmes are also available.
I have lost my sculling mojo a bit at the moment, whereas Mrs Marco is on the machine every weekday morning for 30 mins. :-[
Post by: DrMekon on 28 October, 2012, 12:09:03 pm
Post by: DrMekon on 31 October, 2012, 05:05:06 pm
Post by: Bairn Again on 02 November, 2012, 04:11:00 pm
15.57 for 4000m this lunchtime. Hopefully will be up to 5km before too long and can work on getting faster.
Ive noticed that my SPM is higher than it was when I was previously rowing regularly. Im averaging about 28-30, I'm aiming to get this down to nearer 25.
Graeme.
Post by: LancashireLarry on 08 November, 2012, 07:33:54 am
Managed a 7min 20sec as a first effort back at 2000mts so some way to go to get back to where I was a few years ago - not that I seriously expect that to happen without some serious effort.
Post by: Panoramix on 08 November, 2012, 08:43:32 am
Managed a 7min 20sec as a first effort back at 2000mts so some way to go to get back to where I was a few years ago - not that I seriously expect that to happen without some serious effort.
The torture machine got its claws on you!
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 November, 2012, 10:12:43 am
Post by: DrMekon on 25 November, 2012, 10:00:48 pm
That's my 8th go in maybe 10 years, so pleased with my progress, but loads to learn. Any instructional video recommendations welcome - ours is a hire machine, so no gym bunnies to copy.
Post by: DrMekon on 25 November, 2012, 10:04:05 pm
It's only taken me 24 years ::-) but I've finally rowed my 10 millionth metre. Last thursday's row left me needing 15249m, a distance just within reach for an hour. Although it seemed like a bit of a struggle from start to finish, knowing that I had that big target to knock off gave me the motivation to see it through and I smashed through with 15277m.
That is mega - how do you think of all that effort banked? Cake well spent, or health benefits accrued?
Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2012, 11:26:24 pm
Just did 10,000m in 40.:18.9 . I could get rid of some of that 18secs by not having to remove my gloves halfway, and doing up my shorts so the lace doesn't get trapped in the seat bearing with 599m to go. Still, it'd take a consistent >1000kcal hour rate, and I'm not getting enough air in me with a "breath out on the drive, in on the recovery" pattern - felt like I was suffering for lack of air in the last 1500m.
That's my 8th go in maybe 10 years, so pleased with my progress, but loads to learn. Any instructional video recommendations welcome - ours is a hire machine, so no gym bunnies to copy.
I row at 25spm average on those sort of efforts, I breathe rather faster. Still ran out of air towards the end of my PB 10k.
Post by: trickedem on 27 November, 2012, 08:40:59 am
It's only taken me 24 years ::-) but I've finally rowed my 10 millionth metre. Last thursday's row left me needing 15249m, a distance just within reach for an hour. Although it seemed like a bit of a struggle from start to finish, knowing that I had that big target to knock off gave me the motivation to see it through and I smashed through with 15277m.Awesome effort. Well done
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2013, 07:43:53 pm
Post by: thesloth on 09 January, 2013, 09:59:40 am
Managed a short effort this morning.
Post by: L CC on 18 January, 2013, 10:30:55 am
It's quite annoying.
Post by: L CC on 18 March, 2013, 11:16:27 am
Into audax season properly now (or would be if the weather started cooperating), so I'm doubting it.
Post by: simonp on 18 March, 2013, 01:21:17 pm
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2013, 07:32:38 pm
Post by: Feline on 19 March, 2013, 07:34:22 pm
Post by: simonp on 20 March, 2013, 02:43:12 pm
Post by: thesloth on 21 March, 2013, 09:11:51 am
Right, we're in.
...and so thesloth stirs from his long winter hibernation, climbs onto the machine and makes a small contribution to the cause.
Post by: simonp on 24 March, 2013, 04:56:05 pm
I really hate gyms with loud music blaring out.
Did 5,000m in 20:27.1 which is my fastest in the 2013 season. Now I have a blister.
Post by: Feline on 24 March, 2013, 10:26:36 pm
Post by: Manotea on 01 April, 2013, 06:54:48 pm
Post by: Chris S on 15 April, 2013, 12:46:28 pm
Rowing is almost incidental to this really, point was he was thrashing himself and had a TIA, but you can't blame the chap for having a less than +ve view on rowing now.
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2013, 12:55:24 pm
Post by: L CC on 17 April, 2013, 10:11:37 am
Anyway, another PB this morning. I might be growing some muscles :o
Post by: L CC on 03 May, 2013, 02:26:47 pm
I'm No1OldFatBird in the UK. :thumbsup:
Out of 2
Post by: simonp on 04 September, 2013, 10:00:25 pm
I am currently a heavyweight, which is new. I took it fairly easy, 5km in 21:30ish. Probably won’t get a chance again before next week.
Post by: simonp on 11 September, 2013, 04:39:13 pm
I've signed team YACF up for the Fall Team Challenge which starts on the 15th (Sunday).
Get signed up and get rowing!
Post by: Feline on 11 September, 2013, 11:37:55 pm
#2
I've signed team YACF up for the Fall Team Challenge which starts on the 15th (Sunday).
Get signed up and get rowing!
I will sign up, but Im a bit shit ;D
Post by: L CC on 12 September, 2013, 09:38:33 am
How long does the fall challenge last?
Post by: simonp on 12 September, 2013, 05:38:19 pm
Post by: Gus on 14 September, 2013, 05:41:30 pm
Post by: L CC on 18 September, 2013, 03:16:39 pm
One of the reasons I stopped was the nagging back pain that's been dogging me. It's still there. It's costing me 5-10 secs/500m compared to when it wasn't sore, and probably 5kg lifting on the machines. And makes me not want to go to the gym.
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2013, 07:23:56 pm
Post by: L CC on 27 September, 2013, 09:11:45 am
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/Capture-1.jpg)
;D
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 02 October, 2013, 05:58:00 pm
Post by: simonp on 02 October, 2013, 06:03:58 pm
Post by: Gus on 02 October, 2013, 06:22:46 pm
I lead by example. ::-)
And I'm right behind you :thumbsup: :facepalm:
Post by: L CC on 04 October, 2013, 08:58:31 am
I'm quite stunned as I've been feeling completely shit this week (low-carb 'flu', the anticlimactic end of a long hard season, generally a bit 'meh') and my on bike 'performance' has been tears-inducingly crap.
Couldn't stand afterwards.
Post by: lastant on 28 October, 2013, 09:57:07 pm
Log card and card reader purchased this evening for a combined £12.00, Pete's Plan (beginner) studied. Intending to build up to a point where 5,000m doesn't kill me and really give this a go...thinking of doing a couple of weeks of 2,000m+ sessions three times a week and then going into it.
Now to read this thread in its entirety again!
Post by: Charlie Boy on 07 December, 2013, 02:16:20 pm
Post by: simonp on 07 December, 2013, 03:38:40 pm
Is this an open team? I've got rower in the attic that has just been dusted down after a few years and have recently put in a few sessions.
Yes.
Post by: Chris S on 05 January, 2014, 06:42:07 pm
I've dusted off the C2 and oiled the chain - so could probably do with some motivation.
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2014, 08:02:19 pm
Post by: Feline on 06 January, 2014, 01:15:50 am
Post by: Chris S on 06 January, 2014, 09:29:18 am
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
My Christmas food baby is definitely In The Way ::-).
Post by: simonp on 06 January, 2014, 11:11:58 am
Remember to join the challenge by the 15th if you want to participate.
http://log.concept2.com/log_team.asp
Post by: TimC on 06 January, 2014, 11:21:45 am
Post by: L CC on 06 January, 2014, 11:24:08 am
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
Amazingly enough I manage despite the lard.
How much weight have you put on over Christmas?
:o
Post by: Feline on 06 January, 2014, 05:19:41 pm
I'm not sure if I'm too fat to row ATM ;D
Amazingly enough I manage despite the lard.
How much weight have you put on over Christmas?
:o
I'm currently running 8kg heavier than I was in July :-X
Post by: mike on 06 January, 2014, 09:59:48 pm
I promise to actually do some rowing this year...
Post by: L CC on 07 January, 2014, 08:30:01 am
Less happy with the inevitable blisters. O well.
Post by: Gus on 07 January, 2014, 07:00:44 pm
Post by: Gus on 09 January, 2014, 11:20:41 am
Post by: L CC on 13 January, 2014, 11:42:17 am
My girly hands have softened right up over Christmas. Today I have the delight of a broken blister under a callous oozing slightly every time I move the middle finger of my left hand.
Post by: mike on 13 January, 2014, 11:48:46 am
shouldn't happen so much on the ergo though - how tight are you gripping the handle? Some people erg with their whole hand (incl. the thumb) on top of the handle, to stop you squeezing it too tight, although I was never comfortable like that.. worth a go?
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2014, 01:05:56 pm
Post by: L CC on 13 January, 2014, 02:28:57 pm
Some people erg with their whole hand (incl. the thumb) on top of the handle, to stop you squeezing it too tight, although I was never comfortable like that.. worth a go?I tried that today, as my hands were already a bit tender.
:-\
I reckon it's the 5ks. Because I am a delicate Lay-dee, my soft delicate gentle hands can only cope with a km or two.
Or they'll harden up in time.
Post by: mike on 15 January, 2014, 07:08:30 pm
Still slow as hell but please dont tell anyone; i actually quite enjoyed it...
Post by: Chris S on 16 January, 2014, 09:11:49 am
I've noticed my hands do get sore when using a rower that doesn't have a scrupulously clean handle. When you get a build-up of sweat residue (see - I did warn you) the handle becomes really quite sticky, especially when the sweat off your own hands makes it damp and redissolves all that goo. This stickiness then seems to exaggerate the effect that leads to blisters.
I've taken to applying my OCD levels of cleaning to the handle on my C2, and now the handle seems freer to move around in my hand as I'm rowing, rather than drag and stick to my skin.
Post by: simonp on 21 January, 2014, 10:51:10 pm
Not my slowest of the season so that’s acceptable. I might get a few more in before the end of the month.
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2014, 07:43:28 pm
Post by: simonp on 27 January, 2014, 01:08:28 pm
Post by: L CC on 27 January, 2014, 02:14:09 pm
My hands feel like they'd be great for a child with eczema1.
1: My smalls always preferred the manual working parent to do the cream application because his hard macho hands were rough and gave itch relief.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 January, 2014, 08:14:32 pm
Still a heavyweight which isn’t so good for my ranking. My 10,000m was hard work today but still outside the top half for heavyweight 40-49 year old males.
Where do you find this benchmark data? I'd be keen to benchmark myself (although my benchmark is about to get easier as I will move from the 40 - 49 to the 50 - 59 category this year).
Did set my PB for 1 hour (which was expected as I'd only rowed for an hour once before) tonight, but still 189m short of the winter target. That's only 1.2 seconds per 500m split I keep telling myself.
Regards
Colin
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 January, 2014, 08:59:56 pm
Where do you find this benchmark data?
Online World Rankings (http://log.concept2.com/rankings.asp)
Thanx. And CET name was available. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 January, 2014, 10:33:46 pm
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2014, 05:13:04 pm
Won’t be rowing for a few days until they heal a bit. The Valentines challenge doesn’t start ’til the 9th so that’s fine.
Meanwhile, I did some cycling today.
Post by: Feline on 03 February, 2014, 11:12:45 am
Rowing seems to push my CV reserves much further than other types of exercise do so my currently dire asthma leaves me trying to die after only 500m or so. I keep setting the machine for 2000m and having to bail before I make it to the end because I can't breathe >:(
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 February, 2014, 08:21:46 pm
20 seconds flat out (getting the 500m split into the 1:30s) 20 seconds recovery at normal long distance pace (under 2:00 split) repeat x 6. Then collapse in a heap.
Seems simple. Well the only simple bit is collapsing in a heap. The hard bit is doing that after the 6th rep and not after the 4th. it is supposed to be the best way to improve aerobic fitness and therefore my ability to climb the Alps at the end of June. We'll see. If I master 6 reps then it just gets extend to 8 reps which lasts the giddy amount of 5 minutes and 20 seconds. La la la :sick:
Post by: simonp on 04 February, 2014, 08:24:43 pm
:facepalm:
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 February, 2014, 07:40:02 pm
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2014, 10:11:38 pm
Post by: Feline on 07 February, 2014, 01:25:23 am
This was aided by sucking hard on my Salbutamol inhaler just before starting. Simon wondered if he should try some too when he saw me do it ;D
Post by: toontra on 07 February, 2014, 09:40:16 pm
I found that I could really concentrate on the whole-body workout thing, and try and be conscious of keeping a decent technique. Managed 4000m in just under 20 mins and felt suitably OK to do my normal cycle intervals straight after.
I can see how this could be addictive. Damn - seems I'm about to extend my already ridiculous 3 1/2 hour gym sessions ;D
Post by: L CC on 10 February, 2014, 08:41:59 am
If I'd realised I was proper racing I'd've really gone for it!
Post by: L CC on 07 March, 2014, 07:52:24 am
I know it's nothing for you blokes but for a short-arse girl (no leverage) sub 2 minute splits are going some. I'm above the 75th percentile now. :smug:
(It's a shame none of this gym stuff seems to be transferring into speed-on-the-bike. O well.)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 March, 2014, 09:08:28 am
I don't find there's any immediate correlation between gym work and cycle speed. But months later, in the summer, when I get to the top of hill I think 'somethings different now' because the work on the core and leg-back connectivity.
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2014, 10:44:46 am
There's another team challenge coming up from the 15th, don't forget to sign up.
Post by: mike on 29 June, 2014, 08:14:42 pm
the other 89 minutes, 50 seconds were all a bit average but that didnt matter!! I'd had that 10 seconds and that's all I was after.
I'll be back for more on wednesday. And saturday.
[yes, I have blisters and my quads & hip flexors are incredibly sore, but that's all part of the fun, innit?]
Post by: L CC on 13 August, 2014, 09:56:41 am
*sigh*
Post by: simonp on 15 August, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
Then I did a 2k warm up followed by a 30 minute effort last night and I have nice fat blisters again. Looks like at least one of them is going to need a few days before it'll drain.
Post by: Chris S on 15 August, 2014, 09:03:22 pm
I thought I had got my blisters sorted this time, they formed into calluses without bursting.
Then I did a 2k warm up followed by a 30 minute effort last night and I have nice fat blisters again. Looks like at least one of them is going to need a few days before it'll drain.
Surely Feline has some nice sharp, pointy gadgets that can help with that? ;D
Post by: simonp on 18 August, 2014, 03:36:27 pm
I thought I had got my blisters sorted this time, they formed into calluses without bursting.
Then I did a 2k warm up followed by a 30 minute effort last night and I have nice fat blisters again. Looks like at least one of them is going to need a few days before it'll drain.
Surely Feline has some nice sharp, pointy gadgets that can help with that? ;D
:o :hand:
I let them be, and they held up to 2k warm-up and 5k season's PB to date this lunchtime.
Post by: simonp on 21 August, 2014, 11:09:34 am
Logging some good kilometres there SimonP, I can see I won't have it all my own way at the top of the YACF leaderboard this year!
Which leads me to notice that the Fall Team Challenge starts soon. Everyone get signed up.
Post by: simonp on 29 August, 2014, 12:36:14 am
Post by: L CC on 29 August, 2014, 10:21:24 am
Post by: mike on 29 August, 2014, 10:39:13 am
am loving being back on the river too, I've been doing some sculling and I cant believe I left it so long before getting back in a boat.
[remembers to log stuff onto the c2 site] [edited to add - have updated log, attached myself to the YACF team, sorry Simon..]
Post by: Marco Stefano on 29 August, 2014, 12:25:50 pm
I have signed up; just need to get on the thing (much more difficult than actually erging).
Have Speedcoach, can measure metres and speed on the water; does that count as well? They'll never know... :demon:
Post by: mike on 29 August, 2014, 01:02:08 pm
Post by: closetleftie on 30 August, 2014, 01:36:47 pm
If a man (a) had a birthday coming up, (b) has rowed a bit in the gym before and liked it, and (c) gave gym membership up as being expensive if you're mostly cycle commuting anyway and (d) fancied a bit of variety, but said man wasn't good at winter/ice commuting, which rowing machine would his missus get him so he doesn't become a blimp over winter again?
Durability:price ratio more important than absolute price, and whizzy features probably not important at all. Think Ribble rather than Pinarello.
Post by: Feline on 30 August, 2014, 08:56:14 pm
Some advice from the collective rowers please:
If a man (a) had a birthday coming up, (b) has rowed a bit in the gym before and liked it, and (c) gave gym membership up as being expensive if you're mostly cycle commuting anyway and (d) fancied a bit of variety, but said man wasn't good at winter/ice commuting, which rowing machine would his missus get him so he doesn't become a blimp over winter again?
Durability:price ratio more important than absolute price, and whizzy features probably not important at all. Think Ribble rather than Pinarello.
I'm a crap rower really so don't listen to me. But if I had to give up my gym membership tomorrow I would get this:
http://www.powerhouse-fitness.co.uk/concept-2-indoor-rower-model-d-with-pm3-monitor.php
Post by: Chris S on 30 August, 2014, 09:44:43 pm
Some advice from the collective rowers please:
If a man (a) had a birthday coming up, (b) has rowed a bit in the gym before and liked it, and (c) gave gym membership up as being expensive if you're mostly cycle commuting anyway and (d) fancied a bit of variety, but said man wasn't good at winter/ice commuting, which rowing machine would his missus get him so he doesn't become a blimp over winter again?
Durability:price ratio more important than absolute price, and whizzy features probably not important at all. Think Ribble rather than Pinarello.
I'm a crap rower really so don't listen to me. But if I had to give up my gym membership tomorrow I would get this:
http://www.powerhouse-fitness.co.uk/concept-2-indoor-rower-model-d-with-pm3-monitor.php
I'm fairly sure I paid a lot less for mine. Also - they take up quite a lot of space!
But having a rower is quite cool :thumbsup:.
Post by: mike on 31 August, 2014, 06:49:55 pm
(* although you cant run rowpro on it, but that's windows only anyway...)
Post by: Chris S on 31 August, 2014, 08:17:53 pm
Post by: mike on 31 August, 2014, 08:25:54 pm
i replaced the bungee cord once because it'd lost all bounce, it made a massive difference to the feel of it, but didnt improve my scores at all...
Post by: mike on 01 September, 2014, 05:56:05 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 05 September, 2014, 10:26:20 pm
Every part available, and exploded diagrams & instructions on the web. Properly rebuildable; non-metric (US) fastenings are a bit of a pain, though. If I bought one now, I would want a dynamic one (or a Rowperfect) to get nearer to on-water feel, actions & timing.
Whenever I see a WaterRower I keep thinking of Legionella...
Post by: Marco Stefano on 10 September, 2014, 09:08:15 pm
Over the last week I have done three 10km 21spm drones. I have to try and visualize myself sculling back upstream to prevent second half 'oh sod this' moments.
Post by: simonp on 11 September, 2014, 12:18:21 pm
It's different to the challenge team - you need to do this from your profile page to be seen in this list. (Under 'Affiliation')
Post by: Marco Stefano on 12 September, 2014, 04:53:52 pm
Here. (http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum)
It's different to the challenge team - you need to do this from your profile page to be seen in this list. (Under 'Affiliation')
Ta simonp. I hope to make some contribution at least. Evening water rowing is just about finished here, so time to move weekday sessions inside.
Post by: simonp on 12 September, 2014, 08:33:51 pm
Did another season's PB 5km yesterday. Still 30s off my all time best. Feels like a big gap but it did back then too.
Post by: simonp on 17 September, 2014, 10:00:24 am
2K still 5s off my PB.
Post by: L CC on 17 September, 2014, 01:41:23 pm
He asked (as I cooled down panting) if I minded him commenting on my technique, I said not at all, that I was aware my stroke rate is too high but I really struggle to keep it below 25. He said no, but he'd noticed I'm flicking my wrists on the recoil, and if I concentrate on keeping my arms straight I'd gain 5 seconds for no extra effort. I thanked him but was too knackered after 5k to give it a go. He carried on effortlessly, didn't falter in his rhythm as he spoke to me, and wasn't even vaguely out of breath. I have had aching forearms, so maybe that's why.
5k (first time this year, I think, never mind this season) was almost 2 minutes down on last season's best.
Post by: mike on 17 September, 2014, 01:52:03 pm
Post by: Feline on 18 September, 2014, 12:47:38 am
Not that I am doing anything epic, I'm incredibly unfit after nearly 3 months of injury. I managed 2k this evening though after having to bail at only 1k due to being near-death a few times last week. It hurts my duff shoulder but the physio assures me I won't be doing it actual damage by trying to do stuff now.
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2014, 12:55:23 am
Post by: Feline on 18 September, 2014, 05:48:47 pm
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Post by: simonp on 18 September, 2014, 06:09:59 pm
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Rowing_Marathon
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 September, 2014, 06:55:16 pm
http://www.audax-uaf.com/
Post by: L CC on 19 September, 2014, 12:56:38 pm
Post by: mike on 19 September, 2014, 01:35:40 pm
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Rowing_Marathon
flashback moment.. done it twice, once in an eight on a baking hot day (misery) and once in a quad (much better, still never doing it again)
Post by: Marco Stefano on 19 September, 2014, 08:48:02 pm
Just passed 200km for the season. :thumbsup:
Is there a rowing equivalent to audax?
Something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Rowing_Marathon
Since it involves carrying your boat and blades around Bardney lock, and the amount of weed on the river trying to pull you in, I'd say it was more like cyclocross.
Post by: simonp on 21 September, 2014, 03:38:16 pm
Post by: Chris S on 21 September, 2014, 08:09:50 pm
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3854/15312230305_747db2bf0b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pk6bAM)PM3 upgrade (https://flic.kr/p/pk6bAM) by Pelotonhound (https://www.flickr.com/people/40735552@N05/), on Flickr
Firmware upgrade means I can now integrate the PM3 with my phone and HRM. Mmm... stats....
Post by: simonp on 21 September, 2014, 08:15:56 pm
Post by: L CC on 22 September, 2014, 09:39:03 am
Still, 22:51 isn't bad for a short fat bird. Still a minute down on last season.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 26 September, 2014, 06:31:11 pm
... Probably obliterated the horror from my memory.
Still, 22:51 isn't bad for a short fat bird. Still a minute down on last season.
You will remember about halfway into a race-pace 2k or 5k. Just before you think 'what the hell am I doing this for?', or if in competition, 'I've actually paid to do this; how mad am I?'. Then you start inwardly yelling at yourself - unless that's just me...
Well done, fboab. I am still in back-protecting drone mode, so 47/48/49 mins for 10k while listening to the radio, some with rating intervals at the end if I feel like it. 100k might be a good target for me for the challenge, as work is getting in the way a bit.
Post by: simonp on 30 September, 2014, 08:53:29 pm
Post by: simonp on 07 October, 2014, 01:30:09 pm
I’ve been slacking for the last week or so, due to a lurgy. Said lurgy seems to be resolving today, so I’ll hopefully be back on it soon.
57km done so far with just over a week remaining. 100km looking unlikely. Felt very tired this morning so a rest day is called for.
Post by: simonp on 11 October, 2014, 12:31:06 am
Post by: Marco Stefano on 11 October, 2014, 07:47:53 pm
Post by: simonp on 15 October, 2014, 01:49:45 pm
It’s still all to play for with 5 days remaining.
Looks like you got me. Last day of the challenge but I've got a turbo sesh lined up for tonight. You only need 7km to get to 100km, going to go for it?
I was going to get up early and go to the gym but I had trouble sleeping (I didn't get to sleep until about 4am) and overslept. I'm playing football 6-7 so I'm tempted to leave it there.
Post by: mike on 18 October, 2014, 04:37:44 pm
There was a horrible headwind which kept the rating down to 32/34 and it was on the river in cambridge which I know better than my own garden, so I could pace myself fairly well and didnt blow up half way. And, to cap it off, I think we might have won our category... ( there were only 3 boats in it, but a win's a win!!)
Post by: simonp on 13 November, 2014, 10:37:58 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvMBPZ5Bik
Post by: Marco Stefano on 15 November, 2014, 03:22:22 pm
Rowing ineptitude:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvMBPZ5Bik
Blimey... That's even worse than the Cam.
Post by: simonp on 23 December, 2014, 09:02:49 pm
Not going to happen here. Been spending a lot of time on weights and limited cardio. Then I hurt my arm playing football a week ago, and now it’s limited everything.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 December, 2014, 02:55:57 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 December, 2014, 08:59:10 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 31 December, 2014, 01:47:35 pm
That will give me some motivation to rebuild the core strength that will come in handy for PBP in August.
Post by: scottlington on 13 January, 2015, 09:38:25 am
I'm amazed at the value these things hold even when years old! eBay tends to fall at around £650 for a model D with PM3. If you are lucky you can get one for a bit less than that but tricky and you have to be quick... I ended up buying a brand new one simply because it's 'only' a coupla hundred quid more and you get the PM5 (which probably makes little difference in reality but gives you a nice little rosy glow that you are getting something 'better'). I figured the worst that would happen is I lose circa £150-200 on it over the next year. Now if only brand news cars held their value that well....
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 02:04:18 pm
I nearly typed 'meters' - oh dear.
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 14 January, 2015, 03:06:08 pm
Post by: L CC on 14 January, 2015, 05:05:46 pm
(Desperately hunting for motivation)
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 05:59:39 pm
Post by: L CC on 14 January, 2015, 09:48:43 pm
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 10:04:28 pm
Post by: L CC on 14 January, 2015, 10:16:01 pm
Post by: simonp on 14 January, 2015, 10:24:12 pm
If you do 10k a week you’ll bring our average up quite a bit.
Post by: L CC on 14 January, 2015, 10:28:13 pm
A return to the rower is long overdue.
Post by: Feline on 14 January, 2015, 11:28:45 pm
If I do really well I might manage another 1000m by the end of the month ;D :facepalm:
Post by: scottlington on 15 January, 2015, 09:36:13 am
Get yourself over here: http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum (http://log.concept2.com/challenge/univDetail2015.asp?univ=YACF+-+Yet+Another+Cycling+Forum) :thumbsup:
Ok, so I'm now affiliated to the YACF team. Haven't joined the team challenge and won't until I have sorted a few things out like technique and the suchlike. Certainly would't want to drag your figures down at this early stage. Is it a monthly thing, this virtual team challenge then?
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2015, 09:50:09 am
Post by: L CC on 15 January, 2015, 12:51:00 pm
Certainly would't want to drag your figures down at this early stage.hahahhahahha.
We generally come last. :facepalm:
Post by: Chris S on 15 January, 2015, 03:08:24 pm
I see I'm the Senior of the group ::-)
Post by: Chris S on 15 January, 2015, 05:03:20 pm
Ahhh... No. :hand:
I'll stop coughing soon, I expect.
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2015, 06:50:14 pm
Post by: scottlington on 16 January, 2015, 09:03:49 am
Actually, judging by a first attempt at 2k yesterday, I am officially shit. ;D Still, onwards and upwards!
Post by: scottlington on 16 January, 2015, 01:07:17 pm
Need to keep practising the whole drive phase although at least this time I remembered to keep stroke rate down. Due to looking and feeling like I have a 12lb baby occupying my abdomen I am naturally having trouble getting breathing right too. This really starts to tell at the end of the session. Another thing to practise. ::-)
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2015, 01:13:33 pm
I got my pace down to 1:55 at the end while still doing around 22spm. Not done a fast 2k for ages (I did 8:25.0) really not fit enough ATM, I expect.
Post by: Chris S on 16 January, 2015, 01:38:37 pm
A full 6-pack of 2L bottles of water on one of the feet keeps everything in order :thumbsup:
Beer would be harder core. Just sayin' :).
Post by: scottlington on 19 January, 2015, 04:49:55 pm
As noted on some other post on this thread, you do kinda get into a rhythm after a while and I did think I could sit there for another 5K. So maybe that is a 10k pace for me at this early stage and I ought to try a slightly higher pace for 5k. I'll not try 10k for a while yet though.
No problem in terms of aches or pains either (other than a slight blister on the right hand) which I suppose I should be grateful for. Hopefully it means my technique, which is far from great I would imagine ;D, is at least not bad enough to cause any physical problems.
Post by: simonp on 19 January, 2015, 05:00:58 pm
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 22 January, 2015, 03:37:33 pm
Am getting a stitch when about 5 mins into a 2km row. I've been rowing abt 3 mths, 2 10mins rows a week together with other stuff. I can keep going but it doesn't go. I'm fit, doing 2km in 8:40 fairly easily but not improving at the moment.
Tks for any advice.
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 25 January, 2015, 06:49:59 pm
Set out to improve breathing from the start, taking deeper lungfuls. This time I managed to last over 6 mins before any signs of a stitch, a milder version on the other side. Got my time down to 8:27:08 (from a cold start).
Conclusion: it's a breathing problem (and guess I shouldn't start from cold), and i need to learn abt technique.
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2015, 12:06:53 am
Also make sure you don’t eat too close to going to the gym - at least 2 hours gap between a meal and rowing.
On technique, try to keep the stroke rate down and concentrate on pushing through the legs, which is where the bulk of the effort should come from. Don’t be tempted to whack the resistance up to 10, set it to 4-5. It changes the feel of the rowing machine - the pace is related to how hard you’re working independent of the resistance setting.
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 26 January, 2015, 07:08:54 am
The machines are almost always at max when I arrive and I haven't tried lowering the setting; I will give it a go.
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 02 February, 2015, 09:50:01 am
Yesterday I did a tough 20 mins cycling before rowing so started off very warm but slightly cream crackered. Setting up to 8, I decided not to push i it but see if I avoid being bent double as much as possible. I now think that I am being a bit easy on the stomach muscles and not stretching out enough. As a result of rowing far heavier boats* than skiffs without moving seats I am used to a slowish pace with much resistance.
Stitch or no stitch, I'd recommend rowing machines for improving suppleness (in moderation, maybe).
* more this sort of thing:
(http://files.sloeproeien.info/200000433-3df073eeac/vliegende%20hollander.jpg)
Post by: scottlington on 02 February, 2015, 11:39:56 am
New trainer tyre arrives tomorrow so will mix things up with some turbo trainer work and first Audax of the year on Sunday in prep for PBP so I'm looking forward to this next 6 months. On the flip side I spent most of last year getting fatter and fatter so am now the heaviest I have been since, well, probably 10 years I would say; at least before I started audaxing. So, that's gonna be a bugger to shift ::-)
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2015, 11:45:43 am
On Asterix's point about using the stomach muscles. If I do my abs routine at the gym (cable crunch, leg raises, bicycle abs) then try to use the rowing machine, it doesn't go well. This is one reason why I'm not getting so many metres in at the moment.
Post by: Feline on 06 February, 2015, 09:23:02 pm
Post by: L CC on 06 February, 2015, 09:33:10 pm
I hate this gym.
It also means I have no idea how I'm rowing. I make sure I do more than 15 minutes and try and not take it easy, which is my default setting for everything without reminders.
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 06 February, 2015, 09:52:09 pm
Post by: Feline on 06 February, 2015, 10:23:31 pm
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2015, 10:40:16 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 February, 2015, 07:27:21 am
Post by: simonp on 12 February, 2015, 04:17:09 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 14 February, 2015, 02:29:49 pm
Weds: Left it at setting number 8 and got down to 8:15:09 after trying to stretch more. It put more strain on the arms as well as stomach and I'm struggling with timing my breathing. More practice needed I expect. Would love to get below 8 mins but don't think the arms are up to it!
Lower damper setting only makes the fan slow down less between strokes; if you can get the power on more quickly (can be more tricky at lower settings) then you may go faster, but probably only at a higher rating (less rest time & more energy expended to pull yourself back up the slide). It's a personal juggling act to find out what is best for you. I am relatively small and so try to rev higher, with damper on 3-4 (and it replicates the feel of sculling). Concentrate on legs as arms do little in comparison.
As far as stitches go, before doing a 2K test I would warm up for at least 15 minutes, with increasingly hard intervals from 10 minutes on. You should be hot, sweaty and breathing hard at the end of the warm up. At which point I get off and have a shower. ::-) ;)
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 18 February, 2015, 08:34:27 pm
Post by: scottlington on 24 March, 2015, 12:56:47 pm
Post by: mike on 01 April, 2015, 03:39:41 pm
Getting better at using the machine is a good way to 'cheat' some time off your PB without actually working any harder, so if anyone wants some coaching and you're coming past cambridge, let me know!
I did a 5k last week so my new rowing club can see how fit* I am, it was my first 'flat out' 5k for about 15 years and I'd forgotten just how much it hurts, but also how much you can push even when it does hurt. I didnt die!
* - not very.
Post by: simonp on 28 April, 2015, 08:32:58 pm
Post by: mike on 23 July, 2015, 08:40:38 am
http://youtu.be/EnCdPmdQlOU
(about 20 grand, entirely the other boat's fault for not stopping, yes bumps looks nuts - guide here: http://www.cucbc.org/bumps/how_bumps_work)
edit - here's yours truly, just above the 'h' of the watermark..
http://jetphotographic.com/showphoto.php?id=470007316
Post by: simonp on 06 August, 2015, 12:40:21 am
Post by: mike on 06 August, 2015, 10:11:56 am
I seem to have joined a rowing club.
excellent! you'll soon see that cycling obsession is pretty mild compared to rowing.
which club?
Post by: simonp on 06 August, 2015, 10:47:57 am
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Post by: simonp on 05 September, 2015, 07:12:54 pm
Post by: Jakob on 05 September, 2015, 11:25:16 pm
Was tricky as the girl next to me went at a crazy pace (35+ strokes/min) and I usually cruise at around 20-22 and it was hard not to get caught up. Subsequently, I really struggled around the 500m mark, semi-recovered, but could probably have gone for the sprint 20-30 meters earlier. (Left it to 150m to go).
Post by: Jakob on 10 September, 2015, 01:12:55 am
Paired intervals
50-40-30-20-10-20-30-40-50 cal intervals. (You do a 50cal row, partner does a 50cal row, etc).
Having an off-day didn't help. Normally I can happily cruise at 1100-1200cal/hr, but today that was just about my anaerobic threshold. My partner was a rowing monster, happily motoring at 1500-1600ca/hrl, which also meant that my 'breaks' were shorter than my efforts. Last set I was at 800cal/hr and was dying.
Total time was 28:04
Post by: simonp on 20 September, 2015, 05:58:52 pm
Post by: simonp on 28 September, 2015, 11:24:54 pm
Tonight a high tide meant rowing was off. Though there was no sign of it that I could see. However instead we did circuits. zOMG! Great fun but very hard work. So very tired.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 September, 2015, 08:47:10 am
Yesterday we spent a lot of time rowing as an 8. That was interesting.
Tonight a high tide meant rowing was off. Though there was no sign of it that I could see. However instead we did circuits. zOMG! Great fun but very hard work. So very tired.
This all sounds very serious (8s). Does that mean that rowing might eclipse cycling?
On the subject of eclipses that's why the tide was so high yesterday - lunar eclipse when the moon is at perihelion (closest to the earth) so there is the maximum tidal force. For reasons too detailed to explain I was on the bus to Selsey yesterday and had wondered why the water in Pagham Harbour was as high as I'd ever seen it (and that was propelled by high tides and the January 2014 gales). Fortunately the weather was calm yesterday, if there had been a channel storm we'd be talking about the Island of Selsey today.
Post by: simonp on 29 September, 2015, 12:26:32 pm
Yesterday we spent a lot of time rowing as an 8. That was interesting.
Tonight a high tide meant rowing was off. Though there was no sign of it that I could see. However instead we did circuits. zOMG! Great fun but very hard work. So very tired.
This all sounds very serious (8s). Does that mean that rowing might eclipse cycling?
On the subject of eclipses that's why the tide was so high yesterday - lunar eclipse when the moon is at perihelion (closest to the earth) so there is the maximum tidal force. For reasons too detailed to explain I was on the bus to Selsey yesterday and had wondered why the water in Pagham Harbour was as high as I'd ever seen it (and that was propelled by high tides and the January 2014 gales). Fortunately the weather was calm yesterday, if there had been a channel storm we'd be talking about the Island of Selsey today.
Yes, 8s. At first they daren't have all 8 rowing together as it'd go very wrong very quickly. The set-up is typically an experienced rower at stroke (rear of the boat) and an experienced rower at bow (should be self explanatory!) and then us beginners in the middle 6 seats. For the first couple of sessions the rear or front 4 would 'set the boat' which means sitting cradling the oar, blade flat on the water to balance the boat while the other 4 would then start (trying) to row. Initially that would still be pretty unstable. As we improve it moved on to 6 rowing in various combinations (and switching pairs while rowing for added fun). Feathering was introduced last week and once we got better at that we spent quite a lot of time rowing as an 8. The boats we're using are relatively stable but we still had a lot of wobbling, but it settled down a bit as we worked on our form and balance.
Some didn't enjoy Sunday's session because it did feel pretty unstable at times, but that's part of the challenge, coping with it going wrong and getting your rhythm back. There seems to be a long way to go and it's one of those things where you'd probably never stop learning. It has been much more social than cycling so far - it's very much a team sport and working together as a unit is key.
Post by: simonp on 11 October, 2015, 04:55:14 pm
Now to join the novice men's squad.
Post by: simonp on 17 October, 2015, 02:04:57 pm
Post by: Chris S on 17 October, 2015, 05:52:10 pm
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Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2015, 09:58:15 pm
Post by: Chris S on 22 October, 2015, 10:29:59 pm
And so it was that I hit 195bpm at the end and rowed 9595m in 40:00.
Top work :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 22 October, 2015, 11:05:46 pm
And so it was that I hit 195bpm at the end and rowed 9595m in 40:00.
Top work :thumbsup:
Yeah it wasn’t too bad given I’ve hardly done any erg work this year and my last 10k was a year ago. It’s a faster pace than my best 10k from last year. Plus we got some tips on how to take the catch and hand heights as well, so it was useful learning as well as training.
What it shows, probably, is that the training I’ve been doing on the bike & kickr crosses over well to rowing.
Post by: simonp on 23 October, 2015, 03:58:58 pm
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Post by: simonp on 30 October, 2015, 05:39:19 pm
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Post by: simonp on 30 October, 2015, 08:54:37 pm
That's what, 20 weeks? Given that you just rowed a 2k piece at just 22, I think it's entirely feasible. You just need to learn a bit of economy at higher ratings.
(FWIW, I've rarely seen anyone do an unrestricted 2k at such a low rating. I like low stroke rates and still go about 27/28 for a 2k.)
Yup. Coach commented that I’m already doing the sort of time most men in the club would be aiming for but at a much lower rate. In the short term the target is to increase the rate to 24spm and see how that goes.
I didn’t realise the end of the head season was so far away. Putting 7:22 and 7:00 into the pace calculator at the Concept website suggests that I have to increase power from around 260W (which around my cycling threshold power) to around 300W to get to 7:00. I managed to maintain 290W for 8 minutes on the turbo a month ago, so with better economy it might be just about do-able.
Post by: mike on 02 November, 2015, 02:20:13 pm
I can't ever remember rowing as a novice in an +VIII either: novices always seemed to arrive in IVs! Eights were for the serious racing types.
Cambridge novices are all clogging the river in 8s at the moment, mostly with novice coxes and frustrated coaches on the bank shouting at everybody. It's hilarious unless you're trying to get anything done.
it took one of the crews I was watching about 30 minutes to go 300 yards on friday morning when we timed it wrong and caught all the traffic coming the other way (from the P&E to green dragon bridge, for any cambridge types)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 02 November, 2015, 03:53:08 pm
I've been given a goal of getting below 7 minutes by the end of the head season.(click to show/hide)
Go for it. Says he with PB of 7:05. All my rowing PBs are just off a significant milestone. :facepalm:
Post by: simonp on 02 November, 2015, 04:15:50 pm
I can't ever remember rowing as a novice in an +VIII either: novices always seemed to arrive in IVs! Eights were for the serious racing types.
Cambridge novices are all clogging the river in 8s at the moment, mostly with novice coxes and frustrated coaches on the bank shouting at everybody. It's hilarious unless you're trying to get anything done.
it took one of the crews I was watching about 30 minutes to go 300 yards on friday morning when we timed it wrong and caught all the traffic coming the other way (from the P&E to green dragon bridge, for any cambridge types)
Not been to the P & E for years.
Since graduating to the novice squad, I've been out twice - once in a 4 and once in an 8. It'll be a night-time session in an 8 this evening. Probably in fog. :thumbsup:
Lots of technical drills so far, less of the drunken spider.
Post by: mike on 03 November, 2015, 09:12:25 am
Not been to the P & E for years.
Since graduating to the novice squad, I've been out twice - once in a 4 and once in an 8. It'll be a night-time session in an 8 this evening. Probably in fog. :thumbsup:
Lots of technical drills so far, less of the drunken spider
It was called the penny ferry for a bit, but it's now been knocked down and they're building about 500 flats on it. Students still call it the P&E though.
How was last night? I love rowing in the dark, boats always seem to go better.
We were out at 5.45 this morning in a 4 and the fog wasn't as bad as we'd expected. (We have to get off the water before 7.15 in term time because that's when the student hordes are allowed to set off, and we're too old and grumpy to be crashed into every 30 seconds)
Racing this weekend on the tideway, in the old man's version of 4's head. Lovely.
Post by: simonp on 03 November, 2015, 09:42:37 am
On the way back we did pause drills, and we got steadily more stable and pauses shorter - we did that one last weekend as well. It wasn't as foggy as I'd expected and we didn't crash into anything.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 05 November, 2015, 12:46:55 pm
Cambridge novices are all clogging the river in 8s at the moment, mostly with novice coxes and frustrated coaches on the bank shouting at everybody. It's hilarious unless you're trying to get anything done.
it took one of the crews I was watching about 30 minutes to go 300 yards on friday morning when we timed it wrong and caught all the traffic coming the other way (from the P&E to green dragon bridge, for any cambridge types)
I knew there was a good reason for helping to start Isle of Ely RC... Good luck on the Tideway, Mike - and to think you could have been racing 5km at Ely SBH. Oh well...
In a vet VIII last Saturday for the first time in about 6 or 7 years (mainly single sculling since then, couldn't stand the politics & stupid arguments); surprisingly, a lot better than I thought it would be. Roll on the Winter League.
Post by: mike on 06 November, 2015, 10:37:21 am
Roll on the Winter League.
see you there!
(and we might see you at Ely beforehand, we're planning a couple of weekends boating from upware)
Post by: simonp on 06 November, 2015, 10:47:29 am
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Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2015, 04:36:25 pm
log.concept2.com/challenges/holiday
Post by: L CC on 25 November, 2015, 04:36:52 pm
Post by: Chris S on 25 November, 2015, 04:42:48 pm
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 November, 2015, 08:34:07 pm
Will aim for a longer row on Sunday, depending on how the lower back (which needs a bit of strength conditioning) and (rarely-used) triceps come out of today.
Post by: simonp on 26 November, 2015, 03:13:15 pm
Now, I know that I averaged 282W for 8 minutes twice during the cycling FTP test I did last week. So in terms of the power that I can produce it should be do-able. I'll need to warm up better than on Monday. It'll hurt if I get anywhere near.
Post by: mike on 26 November, 2015, 03:30:53 pm
Post by: simonp on 26 November, 2015, 08:51:08 pm
So that's two PBs in a week. My warm down was lying on my back on the floor gasping for air.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 November, 2015, 08:12:42 am
You know when you've gone too hard when you try to pick speed up and the room starts to spin. But that will kick in at 1200 - 1250m, if my experience is anything to go by. My 5000m PB was supposed to be an 8,000m row, but I started stressed after work.
Post by: simonp on 27 November, 2015, 09:56:01 am
1:46.3 291W
1:45.9 295W
1:51.4 253W
1:54.7 231W
Power values are from Concept2 website pace calculator, rounded to nearest W.
Accounting for variation I suspect I was basically averaging around 300W for the first 3.5 minutes. I know from cycling experience that my highest-ever 5 minute power is around that, and I'm not as economic on the rower, so it was doomed from the start.
The good news is that better pacing will improve on that time.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 28 November, 2015, 06:11:15 pm
Post by: simonp on 17 December, 2015, 07:21:30 pm
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2015, 10:21:01 pm
Inevitably, I have blisters. :facepalm:
Post by: L CC on 17 December, 2015, 10:22:06 pm
Post by: simonp on 17 December, 2015, 10:34:57 pm
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Post by: Chris S on 07 January, 2016, 06:50:38 pm
Thirty minutes, maintaining 124bpm (180-age - the "Maffetone Formula") on the HRM.
Being really really unfit, this translated to 5383m, 2:43 average split, at a mind-numbing 14spm.
The theory being, I suppose, after three months of base-level training, I should be able to go further, at a faster split, for the same HR. Or something.
Post by: mike on 20 January, 2016, 05:23:15 pm
Post by: simonp on 20 January, 2016, 05:42:00 pm
Last 2K test, I was fastest in the boat. For the most recent 5K, I was beaten by Tom - he's 15 years younger and taller. Bah.
On Saturday we did the entire session apart from the initial warm-up, rowing as 8. Longest I've been in continuous rowing as an 8 to date. Main issue for me is that we're usually down on bow side and I'm always skimming the water on the recovery.
Post by: mike on 16 February, 2016, 10:42:29 am
Nearly sick.
Post by: simonp on 16 February, 2016, 12:39:22 pm
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2016, 08:50:35 pm
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2016, 01:11:39 pm
Though the missing skin on my left hand is still relieved.
Post by: simonp on 20 April, 2016, 10:19:31 pm
Our squad is improving a lot. We had a productive session last night - and as much of the club was away at rowing camp (is that like band camp?) at the weekend, I was in an 8 with 7 IM on Saturday which was a nice change as the boat was more stable. We rowed as an 8 from the first stroke and did pyramids and ten green bottles - max HR 172 so there was plenty work. On Sunday I subbed with the Nov ladies squad and had another good work session.
We're targeting Monmouth regatta. Unfortunately this clashes with the Kernow 600k so I might have to ride the 600 Andy Corless is running. Not sure if this is good or bad news. I may not get in a boat, crew selection is yet to happen.
I haven't done a test erg for a while but I've been fastest in every session I've attended recently. If my cycling fitness is any guide, I should be able to improve my 2K time. My season PB for 5K is a long way off my lifetime best and I'm not so sure I can get sub 19 minutes again.
Post by: Manotea on 21 April, 2016, 12:17:53 am
Starting of it was all I could do to manage 500m - weak as a kitten and my CV system completely shot.
Currently at 2km @
So moving on but a long way to go yet....
Post by: simonp on 21 April, 2016, 01:05:50 am
Main drive comes from the legs. Legs, then body, then arms right at the end. Then the reverse order. Strong core, straight back, relaxed shoulders.
Easier said than done.
Another tip: the return down the slide is called the recovery for a reason. Aim for a 2:1 ratio between recovery and drive, in terms of time.
Post by: mike on 21 April, 2016, 07:51:59 am
aiming for a 2:1 ratio works well at lower rate / firm pressure but as the rate comes up the drive time doesn't actually change that much, so as the rate goes up over 34ish the ratio heads towards 1:1. You can still keep control on the slide by spinning the hands a bit quicker.
Post by: iddu on 28 April, 2016, 12:34:13 pm
Your 2:09 is better than some I could mention.
Main drive comes from the legs. Legs, then body, then arms right at the end. Then the reverse order. Strong core, straight back, relaxed shoulders.
Easier said than done.
Another tip: the return down the slide is called the recovery for a reason. Aim for a 2:1 ratio between recovery and drive, in terms of time.
Quite. First 5K yesterday in 21:33, but at a stupidly high 30 s/m? Not collapsing, no strain, but not really feeling anything thru the legs??
More practice / find a (better) rower for critique???
Post by: simonp on 28 April, 2016, 12:44:53 pm
Post by: mike on 29 April, 2016, 04:00:02 pm
Quite. First 5K yesterday in 21:33, but at a stupidly high 30 s/m? Not collapsing, no strain, but not really feeling anything thru the legs??
More practice / find a (better) rower for critique???
post a video, we can all have a go!! :)
Post by: simonp on 07 May, 2016, 04:21:12 pm
Today we went out again and would've done more race pace but there was too much debris coming down the river. Apparently a paddling pool went past earlier on. Another good outing and the boat was the most stable I've been in. The drills appear to have really helped.
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2016, 11:42:38 pm
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 11 May, 2016, 06:39:53 am
Post by: iddu on 11 May, 2016, 11:38:46 pm
Quite. First 5K yesterday in 21:33, but at a stupidly high 30 s/m? Not collapsing, no strain, but not really feeling anything thru the legs??
More practice / find a (better) rower for critique???
post a video, we can all have a go!! :)
clicky (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20160511-Rowing/20160511_zpsf3feiedm.mp4)
There ya go.
Down to 20:32, @ avg 29s/m
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2016, 12:07:24 am
Post by: mike on 12 May, 2016, 09:01:00 am
A couple of things to try:
- when you finish a stroke you are in about the right position, but you get the next bits in the wrong order. Let your hands go first while you're still leaning back, and get them as far away as you can. Then lean over, pivoting from the hips until you can feel the stretch in your hamstrings. Keep your back fairly straight, dont go *too* far, but you need to get the handle ahead of your knees and only then you bend your knees and start to slide forwards.
- it's the same thing but in reverse during the stroke... again you're in about the right position at the catch but you're doing too much with your back and arms before your legs are finished, so concentrate on keeping your shoulders forwards while your legs do most of their bit and only then start to lean back and bend your arms.
try dropping your feet a couple of holes on the footplate and do five minutes with your feet not strapped in, that should bring you into a better position at the finish (take the first few strokes gently, and point your toes the whole time!)
watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkMzEXChLc
(she's exceptionally flexible, not many people can rotate forward that far!)
For 20 minutes, try and get the rate down to 22/24ish. This will need moar power from your legs per stroke, but if you get the movements in the right order it should be easier to get there.
Post by: iddu on 12 May, 2016, 11:54:25 am
Much the same as life then, the beginning and end are OK, it's the bits between I can't cope with ;D
>She's exceptionally flexible
Specialized BG Shop Bod: "You've broken my calculator, (blokes are) not supposed to be able to bend like that(*)..." ;D ;D
(*) The upside of daily stretching and pilates...
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2016, 03:28:50 pm
Ow.
Post by: iddu on 19 May, 2016, 11:36:40 pm
Mmm, 22:40 @ 23s/m (down from 28m last week)
The thing I find odd is not feeling any resistance on the stroke until legs are straight - it's all body/arms. That supposed to feel like that?
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2016, 11:38:10 pm
Post by: simonp on 21 May, 2016, 12:33:03 pm
Post by: mike on 23 May, 2016, 10:57:12 am
Mmm, 22:40 @ 23s/m (down from 28m last week)
The thing I find odd is not feeling any resistance on the stroke until legs are straight - it's all body/arms. That supposed to feel like that?
Nope. Legs legs legs. What drag factor is the machine set on? Most of our mens squad have it at about 130 (http://www.concept2.co.uk/service/monitors/pm3/how-to-use/viewing-drag-factor) if it's too light then you might not be able to apply the legs quickly enough. That kind of drag factor normally needs the fan setting at 4 or 5, but it depends on the state of the machine, sometimes it needs to be higher.
Last night we focused on race starts. I think we did about 30. Maybe more.
Ow.
Back when I was fit we managed to persuade the stroke man of the german olympic 8 to join us for a race in Cambridge. Rate 52 off the start was a bit of a shock to the system.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/mikes99mail/02CB002-66-2_zpspf4mbczv.jpg)
(me at 5, looking quite a lot more in control than I felt)
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2016, 11:24:12 am
I really should do another 2k test at some point. Given the average power I produced in my cycling 8-minute test on Thursday (311W) I should be getting closer to 7:00.
Post by: iddu on 24 May, 2016, 01:51:42 pm
Nope. Legs legs legs. What drag factor is the machine set on? Most of our mens squad have it at about 130 (http://www.concept2.co.uk/service/monitors/pm3/how-to-use/viewing-drag-factor) if it's too light then you might not be able to apply the legs quickly enough. That kind of drag factor normally needs the fan setting at 4 or 5, but it depends on the state of the machine, sometimes it needs to be higher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeD1cyZ8IqQ ;D
I'll have a poke around the menus tomorrow night - fan setting is at 5. From the catch into leg drive, the hands are back above the knees (so legs almost straight) before any resistance is felt. It's almost like you could chop a foot out the chain to 'compensate'. But that may just be how it's supposed to feel?
OTOH, (we) could just have magic thighs from riding so much :P
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2016, 02:35:03 pm
Post by: iddu on 25 May, 2016, 09:47:35 pm
Pretty much all on the curve as shown in TR pic for 21 mins - nothing like peaks or DD
Hurrumph - needs ~6.5 for a 130 drag, no wonder it felt light.
[chant] LBA,ABL,LBA...[/chant]
Post by: iddu on 07 June, 2016, 08:27:50 am
19 (gasp) 57 (gasp) 06 (gasp) at (gasp) 26 (gasp) s/m ;D
Need to bring it down another couple yet, thobut.
Post by: mike on 08 June, 2016, 03:00:07 pm
Post by: simonp on 08 June, 2016, 03:18:38 pm
Post by: simonp on 16 June, 2016, 10:38:30 pm
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7447/27437361980_99dc86feb4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HNxDPb)What fresh hell is this. (https://flic.kr/p/HNxDPb) by SimonP2006 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/), on Flickr
Post by: iddu on 17 June, 2016, 11:13:14 am
Down to 19:52:04 @ 24 s/m, so getting there.
PM: 5,000m / 20min - avg HR 130bpm
AM: 30 mins at Dentist - avg HR 150bpm
WTF ??? Terror is better? ;D
Post by: simonp on 07 July, 2016, 10:00:03 pm
And breeeaaathe.
Llandaff regatta this weekend. :o
Post by: simonp on 12 July, 2016, 10:25:37 pm
Tonight I was down to cox (first time to me). I was just getting into the swing of ordering people around when I was told I was off the hook and was instead in a stable double. First sculling since one session back in September. Didn't know what to expect, but really enjoyed it.
Post by: simonp on 15 July, 2016, 11:16:41 am
Gits.
Did 2:2.4 and 2:3.4 for the two pyramids.
Post by: mike on 19 July, 2016, 09:26:58 am
chaos expected.
Post by: simonp on 21 July, 2016, 11:19:46 pm
Did the 10x1:00/1:00r again tonight. Improved to 1:45.0.
Post by: simonp on 25 July, 2016, 03:33:11 pm
This is getting to be a habit.
We have a 2K test on Thursday in the training plan. The last time I did such a thing was in November (I doesn't seem that far ago!). I did 7:18.4.
Fitness has probably peaked then dropped since then - only guide I have is the 1:45.0 I averaged doing 10x1 minute last week. Given that effort, what sort of 2K pace should I aim for?
AIUI, the standard pacing strategy is to do the first 500m at -1, then the next two at +1, and the final 500m back at -1. On the previous 2K it was a fly and die, but I think I'm better now at pacing at higher rates which will help me to keep it controlled early on.
Post by: simonp on 27 July, 2016, 12:12:24 am
Post by: simonp on 29 July, 2016, 08:02:36 pm
Did the 2K tonight. 7:13.2, 5.2s improvement.
Post by: simonp on 19 August, 2016, 11:53:09 pm
Post by: simonp on 26 September, 2016, 05:05:01 pm
Wonder when someone will send me out in a (not stable) single.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 October, 2016, 08:15:23 pm
4000m in 14:58 today (just into negative splits thanks to an all-out last 400m) then 20kg squats, 3 sets of 12, 55kg deadlifts and some girly weights on the ball to sort out the tweaks in my upper back from too much cycling. The aim will be set a PB for the hour on the rower in the new year.
Post by: simonp on 05 October, 2016, 08:39:37 pm
Post by: mike on 07 October, 2016, 12:40:51 pm
Wonder when someone will send me out in a (not stable) single.
have you tried it yet? It's great! We've just acquired a new Swift single, I took it out last week and it's really easy to sit but feels dead in the water - a bit like a floating erg. Very different to our Janousek and aylings singles which are much less stable but feel a lot more alive.
I subbed into a reasonable quad this morning for 20k of steady state (about an hour and forty). I let them do most of the work but am still struggling to stand or walk upstairs :)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 October, 2016, 07:27:21 am
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 02 November, 2016, 08:04:33 am
Post by: Jakob on 02 November, 2016, 09:29:07 pm
Started out this Monday with a 2k row at 8:3x. PB when I was regularly crossfitting, was around 7:30, so not too bad, considering my almost complete lack of exercise in the last 6-7 months.
I kept an even 800kcal/hr until 350 meters to go, pushed it up to 1400, but completely blew up 50 meters from the end.
Plan is shorter distances/intervals (2k below) on lifting days, with longer 5k+ rows on non-lifting days. Still very sore from Monday, so with kendo tomorrow, I wont get back until Saturday.
Best thing is that new gym is open 24/7, so should be easy to find a quiet time.
I expect a sub 8 min 2k in a couple of weeks.
Post by: Jakob on 06 November, 2016, 02:57:36 am
No power whatsoever today. 2k row, had to work to maintain even 750kcal. Pushed it up to ~850 after 1k, delayed sprint until 250meters, but maxed out at 1250cal!! 8:48.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 November, 2016, 10:21:11 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 November, 2016, 06:44:07 pm
Post by: Oranj on 14 November, 2016, 01:25:01 pm
I rowed a brisk 10k last month (for the c2ctc (http://c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=140)) in 39:28, and after a bit of a break from the machine since last winter that handle sure did get heavy towards the end, although the last 2k were very slightly my fastest.
Post by: simonp on 14 November, 2016, 01:31:31 pm
We took a GoPro out on Saturday which shows some technique issues to work on. I watched it during my 2h turbo session yesterday.
Post by: simonp on 22 November, 2016, 05:05:42 pm
Wonder when someone will send me out in a (not stable) single.
have you tried it yet? It's great! We've just acquired a new Swift single, I took it out last week and it's really easy to sit but feels dead in the water - a bit like a floating erg. Very different to our Janousek and aylings singles which are much less stable but feel a lot more alive.
I subbed into a reasonable quad this morning for 20k of steady state (about an hour and forty). I let them do most of the work but am still struggling to stand or walk upstairs :)
Not been out in a single yet. Had another outing in stable double at the weekend - river was fairly fast, so steering was tricky at times. Feel much more comfortable in a double than previously.
Heavy rain means we can't go out tonight, sadly. River way too high and fast (in fact the club was not even safely accessible for the weekly circuits last night).
Also, had a sports massage recently. "Your quads look in good condition, must be the rowing". That plus the many hours I've spent on the turbo this year.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 November, 2016, 05:33:06 pm
Or imperfect pacing (given that you were dropping close to 2:00 pace in the second half yet managed an average 1:56 split overall). Always nice to leave a little in the bank for the last bit of a longer erg.
I rowed a brisk 10k last month (for the c2ctc (http://c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=140)) in 39:28, and after a bit of a break from the machine since last winter that handle sure did get heavy towards the end, although the last 2k were very slightly my fastest.
Did a 10k starting off at 1:58 pace today. My splits were much better: 7:52.8, 7:51.0, 7:50.1, 7:50.6, 7:46.6 (250m sprint at the end, can't help myself) so I am probably going to try a longer session during the next week and see if I can keep this going. Not long before I set the first hour marker for the winter, methinks.
Post by: Chris S on 25 November, 2016, 06:09:17 pm
Post by: closetleftie on 27 November, 2016, 12:38:11 pm
Reason being, I've a broken leg and an external frame. Weight bearing not an issue (hence the load being transmitted through my legs isn't a problem) but knee & ankle mobility restricted, though not to zero.
I'd therefore be sitting with nearly straight legs throughout the stroke.
1. Useful, do you think, in terms of being reasonable CVS exercise?
2. Feasible?
3. Any problems the more experienced can foresee?
Post by: simonp on 27 November, 2016, 01:17:33 pm
Also note that flexibility limits how much body lean you can use. I often feel my hamstrings are a limiter. Will you be able to stretch them after a session?
Post by: closetleftie on 28 November, 2016, 01:04:59 pm
Warm ups in our rowing sessions are typically arms only then arms and body lean. So you can row like this. The power you can produce this way will be significantly lower and I'd want to build up slowly as your shoulders in particular will not be used to the effort.
Also note that flexibility limits how much body lean you can use. I often feel my hamstrings are a limiter. Will you be able to stretch them after a session?
Hamstrings OK, actually. One of the pins catches the edge of my MCL so taut extension is sore at the knee, but can manage a good hamstring stretch. I'd not go heavy on the body lean anyway as I'm not experienced and/or taught well so I'd be worried about adding back injuries when I'm already biomechanically dodgy.
It'll only be to keep my fro blobbing out completely. Last time I managed to lose some weight and ended up in reasonable shape, but I paaid in terms of pin site problems. So I'd just be looking for a bit of variety.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 November, 2016, 07:19:49 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 November, 2016, 07:25:04 pm
Post by: mattc on 30 November, 2016, 08:52:14 am
Post by: closetleftie on 30 November, 2016, 12:08:35 pm
Good luck closetleftie
Thanks! Saw the physio on Monday and a turbo trainer with modified left-sided pedal is actually a good option too. Not sure why another physio was hesitant during my previous injury. It actually feels OK, so may be cycling a bit more than before. Rowing could wait, I think. There's bound to be more strain than gentle cycling.
Turbo for Christmas, I think! ;D
Post by: simonp on 30 November, 2016, 02:28:21 pm
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 01 December, 2016, 11:00:46 am
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Almost go out very hard and keep going until you perish. That sort of time is not a lot different to the women's 3k individual pursuit on the track, so I would guess a similar sort of strategy would apply?
Post by: mike on 01 December, 2016, 02:18:49 pm
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Almost go out very hard and keep going until you perish. That sort of time is not a lot different to the women's 3k individual pursuit on the track, so I would guess a similar sort of strategy would apply?
Ouch, 1k is a horrible distance.. Not far enough to properly settle in, too far to go off flat out and hope for the best. If you're aiming for 3.15 / 3.20 I'd go off at 1.40/1.42 and lift it a bit in the last 300.
I did 10 x 500m last night (all at 2k+2, with a 2 minute rest between each), and I'd probably rather do that session than a flat out 1k.
Post by: simonp on 01 December, 2016, 03:05:30 pm
The rate cap was difficult to stick to.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 December, 2016, 08:15:34 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 December, 2016, 09:39:31 am
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 December, 2016, 01:58:58 pm
Splits for 4300m sections were 1:56.6, 1:57.1, 1:57.7, 1:58.1, and 1:58.6, which felt like the right pacing.
Post by: simonp on 13 December, 2016, 11:25:42 pm
We have to do a 1k r24 test this week. Not sure about pacing as not done a hard 1K ever.
As my last 2k test was 7:13.1 which is just slightly better than 75th percentile for hwt in my age group, if I aimed for the same percentile I'd be aiming for around 3:20.
Almost go out very hard and keep going until you perish. That sort of time is not a lot different to the women's 3k individual pursuit on the track, so I would guess a similar sort of strategy would apply?
Ouch, 1k is a horrible distance.. Not far enough to properly settle in, too far to go off flat out and hope for the best. If you're aiming for 3.15 / 3.20 I'd go off at 1.40/1.42 and lift it a bit in the last 300.
I did 10 x 500m last night (all at 2k+2, with a 2 minute rest between each), and I'd probably rather do that session than a flat out 1k.
2k + 2 is quite hard going though.
Had a 1:1 with the coach after our water session. They seem to think 1k r24 is a reasonable predictor of 2K free-rate (i.e. just double it). That would suggest I /should/ be able to do 6:58. TBF, when I did my last 2K (7:13.1) I was a bit off peak fitness, so maybe it could be done. Just once. There's only one bloke in the Masters squad who can go under 7:00 (I'm in the Development squad). As it happens, I am not aware of anyone in the Dev squad beating my time. The one guy who I was sure would beat me cocked it up and also did 3:29. He should have been capable of 3:20, maybe less, he's done sub 6:40 2K.
On the technical side, he thinks I'm too aggressive round the finish, so I tend to wash out, and need to work on that. If I can improve that and get to sub 7 then I'll be much more useful.
On our water session I caught a massive crab, which flattened me. First time I've ever been thrown on my back, and I can't remember the last time I caught a crab. And it was caught on video. :-[
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 December, 2016, 08:15:32 am
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 December, 2016, 02:14:27 pm
Contact points were OK, just a couple of warm points on callouses, which suggests that a marathon would be possible, although I would have to think about hydration and energy drinks. If anyone has rowed a marathon on a Concept 2 would be interested in what they did with feeding/drinking strategies.
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2016, 02:23:07 pm
Post by: mattc on 29 December, 2016, 04:53:29 pm
(I'm too slow to ride a 25 in an hour, so I am cruelly excluded from that option :P )
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 December, 2016, 06:33:24 pm
I think "hour records" are a brilliant thing. There aren't many sports where they are practical for Joe Public, so I urge you (indoor) rowers to make the most of the opportunity :thumbsup:
(I'm too slow to ride a 25 in an hour, so I am cruelly excluded from that option :P )
I think the holy grail for the hour would be 16095m (10 miles), but like most holy grails on the rower it's just out of reach (like that mythical hour for 25 (61:09); I did 15811m once, but that extra 300m was something like 1.5s splits over 500m, which is a chasm.
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2016, 07:35:02 pm
http://www.machars.net/#paulslaw
My fastest 10K (from 2010) is 39:29.9 and my fastest (much more recent) 2K is 7:13.2. This 2K results in a significantly slower 10K prediction though I should still apparently be able to be under 40 minutes. 2010 was by far my highest milage year.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 January, 2017, 04:01:22 pm
Paul's law to calculate expected pace given a pace at a different distance.
http://www.machars.net/#paulslaw
My fastest 10K (from 2010) is 39:29.9 and my fastest (much more recent) 2K is 7:13.2. This 2K results in a significantly slower 10K prediction though I should still apparently be able to be under 40 minutes. 2010 was by far my highest milage year.
That's an interesting calculator. My best 10k this year was only 3 seconds per 500m quicker than my half-marathon, and I would have said that I found the 10k tougher than the half-marathon. But that might be after many years of Audax that I am not a speed and endurance balanced athlete. Certainly I wouldn't get close to the 2000m time predicted from my 10000m time, although I would be delighted to do so.
The good news is that, based on my 10k time I'd get under the 3 hours for the marathon :thumbsup: That is, once I've got over my black ice induced hip injury that looks like reducing my January metres to not very much.
Post by: zigzag on 24 January, 2017, 08:32:03 pm
rowing speed compares pretty well with running speed, doesn't it?
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2017, 08:51:42 pm
My PB for 5K is 18:56 iirc. You are a much faster cyclist than me so with proper form and getting used to the machine you could surely beat that.
Post by: zigzag on 24 January, 2017, 09:07:53 pm
another question - is there a technique to avoid blisters on one's hands? would mitts help?
Post by: simonp on 24 January, 2017, 09:22:46 pm
It sounds like you are using too much arms. 75% or more should come from legs, a bit from the body and only a little bit of arms. There are plenty YouTube videos showing good technique.
For working on form it's a good practice to row at a lower stroke rate and really feel the push in the legs. Maybe 22spm. As you improve you can work efficiently at higher rates.
Post by: L CC on 24 January, 2017, 10:16:50 pm
another question - is there a technique to avoid blisters on one's hands? would mitts help?
No and no.
I don't grip tightly and I get blisters all the time, despite being a pretty regular rower. You build calluses (like when you're a regular lifter) and if you're me, then get blisters under the calluses when you do a long session. I've read that cleaning the handlebar properly may help. I tried cycling mitts and they made no difference, and I got rubbing from the seams.
I maybe wouldn't get blisters if I could knock out 5k in 20+ minutes rather than 23+, mind. ;)
Post by: Jakob on 25 January, 2017, 07:31:34 am
I typically go a bit lower resistance. Rowing club advice is to display drag factor and adjust until it's 130 as this gives consistency between machines. Usually this is around 5.
My PB for 5K is 18:56 iirc. You are a much faster cyclist than me so with proper form and getting used to the machine you could surely beat that.
Where do you see the drag factor?.
Post by: simonp on 25 January, 2017, 10:02:21 am
Post by: Jakob on 30 January, 2017, 08:58:48 am
Post by: iddu on 08 March, 2017, 09:49:23 pm
Chased the fish for 10 minutes, and 10860 points at darts...
Post by: simonp on 15 March, 2017, 03:07:18 pm
Post by: mike on 30 March, 2017, 12:26:57 pm
I coach during normal adult outings, then the juniors use all the sculls in the other sessions when I'm not coaching so I never get to actually row any more, and I really miss it. I got free rack space at a club where I do occasional coaching and found this online for a sensible amount (1500), and he threw in some blades with it too so I thought why not? I did a couple of years of sculling 10 years ago and love it. Just need to get fit now... :D
Post by: simonp on 30 March, 2017, 12:44:55 pm
Two water sessions for me this week - 7 seat in an 8 on Tuesday, and I'll be in 3 seat in a 4 on Saturday.
We have a training camp coming up in April, chance to really get some decent time on the water.
Post by: JJ on 30 March, 2017, 03:02:16 pm
Post by: JJ on 30 March, 2017, 03:10:00 pm
I've bought a boat! A 10 year old janousek 1x called Emily.
I coach during normal adult outings, then the juniors use all the sculls in the other sessions when I'm not coaching so I never get to actually row any more, and I really miss it. I got free rack space at a club where I do occasional coaching and found this online for a sensible amount (1500), and he threw in some blades with it too so I thought why not? I did a couple of years of sculling 10 years ago and love it. Just need to get fit now... :D
And grow eyes in the back of your head round here!
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2017, 02:37:44 pm
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 15 April, 2017, 11:11:57 pm
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2017, 12:42:11 pm
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 16 April, 2017, 05:13:28 pm
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2017, 06:59:22 pm
Can you Eskimo roll a 4?
Not possible - you fall out straight away, there's nothing holding you in unlike in a kayak.
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 16 April, 2017, 10:47:23 pm
Post by: simonp on 27 April, 2017, 09:46:19 pm
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2017, 11:25:14 pm
250, 500, 750, 1000, 750, 500, 250
Got my HR to 191 during the second 750. First time over 190 this year.
Post by: mike on 22 May, 2017, 05:16:54 pm
Had go to the rowing club for another reason, so did the erg session while I was there.
250, 500, 750, 1000, 750, 500, 250
Got my HR to 191 during the second 750. First time over 190 this year.
Nice. We have one called a widow(er) maker which we do about 3 times a year.
1 x 1000 r 26 @ 2k+5
2 x 500 r28 @ 2k
4 x 250 r30 @ 2k-5
8 x 125 r32 @ 2k-10
4 x 250 r30 @ 2k-5
2 x 500 r28 @ 2k
1 x 1000 r26 @ whatever you've got left..
you do it in pairs, so you rest while they erg.
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2017, 05:38:10 pm
What was worse was discovering after the Bryan Chapman (which I found unusually tough this year) we had seat racing for Monmouth Regatta on the Tuesday. I did 6x~250m pieces in a 4. I must have been down quite a lot on power but the end result was all three of us fighting for the bow-side seats came out roughly the same. (Stroke side had no competition). In the end it was decided we'd all race across the weekend.
Sunday crew going out tomorrow and we will be working on short r28-30 pieces and race starts.
Post by: simonp on 30 May, 2017, 11:23:42 pm
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4244/34999699595_3ef8e71a88_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VjNBjt)DSC_1231-(ZF-3505-57354-1-001) (https://flic.kr/p/VjNBjt) by SimonP2006 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/), on Flickr
We were just ahead at 500m, but the finish line was at 750m, sadly.
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Post by: mike on 05 July, 2017, 10:45:31 am
here's the 8 I've been coaching: https://youtu.be/oi32huMQR_k
Post by: simonp on 05 July, 2017, 12:20:36 pm
We will also be racing an 8 at Llandaff. The 8 has been going well - we've improved a lot since the last time I raced in an 8, which was more than a year ago. Would like to see some video of the 8. There's video of last night's races - that won't look so pretty.
Post by: simonp on 09 July, 2017, 03:53:54 pm
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Post by: mike on 12 July, 2017, 11:00:39 am
Semifinal win: https://youtu.be/VzapzmK9sN4
:thumbsup: Nice! is that you at stroke?
Post by: simonp on 12 July, 2017, 04:15:18 pm
Semifinal win: https://youtu.be/VzapzmK9sN4
:thumbsup: Nice! is that you at stroke?
I'm at bow.
Post by: mike on 26 July, 2017, 09:14:16 am
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4322/35368513643_d540031aab_b.jpg)IMG_5810 (https://flic.kr/p/VToSTn)
bumps rules here https://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2013/02/27/a-guide-to-lent-bumps-15650 - it's bonkers. We went up 3.
(JJ of this parish was in a much faster boat who had actually been training for it..)
Post by: simonp on 26 July, 2017, 10:24:24 am
We raced in a 4 and an 8 at Bewdley. Gave our "performance men" 4 a hell of a scare in the IM3 4+ final. We had a winner previous drawn against us in the semi but it wasn't taken so only 3 boats in the event. We led from the start but lost by half a length. If we'd been tidier in the middle of the race we might have won.
Post by: tonyh on 26 July, 2017, 11:18:58 am
Looks like a nicely balanced boat. :thumbsup:
Certainly does. And it's got the relaxed glow of success, with the running of the boat feeling easy and perfect. Greenery noted too.
Post by: simonp on 12 August, 2017, 04:53:48 pm
Post by: tonyh on 12 August, 2017, 05:59:01 pm
Post by: simonp on 22 August, 2017, 09:15:49 pm
Tonight I randomly decided to do a 1K test as I got down early for our race prep water session.
3:20.8. So that's almost a 5s PB. Not unfit. Just differently fit. Given I had a poor night's sleep to boot.
Post by: simonp on 27 August, 2017, 06:56:21 pm
:thumbsup:
Post by: tonyh on 27 August, 2017, 07:10:03 pm
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 28 August, 2017, 08:35:02 pm
Post by: simonp on 29 August, 2017, 10:41:00 pm
(Warning: there's shouting).
Semi final. https://youtu.be/qMBdV_NsjUk
Final. https://youtu.be/Q0zQiJ59oa0
Post by: mike on 01 September, 2017, 08:58:15 pm
Post by: Chris S on 15 September, 2017, 01:55:13 pm
Ah well.
Post by: simonp on 15 September, 2017, 05:55:14 pm
I'm psyching myself up to do a 2K test - possibly on Sunday. One of the other senior squad lads says sub 7 should be easy now. Riiiight.
I'm going to try holding 1:45 for 1500m and if I have anything left in the final 500m wind it up. Given I pulled 1:40.something for 1K recently it might just work!
Post by: Chris S on 15 September, 2017, 06:14:28 pm
Post by: simonp on 16 September, 2017, 05:51:47 pm
If you're a follower of Concept 2 on Facebook, you may have seen the video of Josh Dunkley-Smith setting a new Oz 2km record of 5:38.6. Insane - he doesn't even look that fazed as he grinds out 1:25 splits. Incredible!
Yep. Saw that. The guy's a monster. Barefoot too.
I daren't put in his splits to see the power numbers. I know that my 1K PBP is about 350 Watts.
Post by: simonp on 16 September, 2017, 06:10:23 pm
Not been out in a fine single yet, in two years. Might want to try the stable single first!
Post by: mike on 20 September, 2017, 10:10:20 am
(most of our novices go straight from double to fine single. A few use the 'explorer' boat we've got but there's no real difference in speed of learning)
Falling in is nothing to worry about, I do it every six months or so......
Post by: simonp on 26 September, 2017, 02:46:12 pm
On Sunday might be going out in a pair. Boat isn’t currently rigged, if we rig it as a pair we will have to bow rig it as I’m in stroke on the outing plan.
Post by: simonp on 16 October, 2017, 11:02:03 pm
Unfortunately am out for a while now with a sprained wrist. Also going to need a trophy cabinet: won first pot, then at the club dinner jointly won dolphin of the year, and won best male newcomer, and also have an ultra randonneur thingy on the way. :facepalm:
I’m going to try to palm off the dolphin prize on one of the others in our capsizing 4 as it looks breakable and we have cats.
Post by: L CC on 20 October, 2017, 08:26:02 am
A whole different kettle of fish.
Post by: simonp on 27 January, 2018, 07:57:09 pm
4+ UT2 this morning for an hour then later on 8+ with some real work, 10 on 10 off up and down the river. Coach pushed us hard on this one and we did some real work.
Given I've been out for 3-4 months and both crews were untried combinations, it went very well, and my wrist is ok so far.
Post by: simonp on 11 February, 2018, 05:10:26 pm
Today I went out in a stable single. Stable seems to be a term with various interpretations. This is my first time in a single since learning to row, excluding a session pottering about within sight of the club in a training boat, about 2 and a half years ago. The conditions were tricky: lots of stream, river up over the slipway, low sun, and windy. One of the other scullers out today described it as "adventure sculling". Well managed to paddle around for 4km and got a lot more confident. Knackered now.
I'm down to do some more sculling next weekend in the stable single and a fine double. Would be good to get more sculling time as I think it will help with bad habits. Not quite ready to try a fine single, particularly in the conditions we've been having - and it would be very cold if I went in!
Post by: mike on 12 February, 2018, 09:08:32 am
Stable seems to be a term with various interpretations.
;D ;D
we've got some 'explorer' boats at ours, they're 2x the width of a normal single and even though they're quite hard to capsize they definitely let you know if your timing isn't right or you make a mess of the finish! Stick at it..
Post by: simonp on 12 February, 2018, 06:23:21 pm
Stable seems to be a term with various interpretations.
;D ;D
we've got some 'explorer' boats at ours, they're 2x the width of a normal single and even though they're quite hard to capsize they definitely let you know if your timing isn't right or you make a mess of the finish! Stick at it..
Yeah they’re explorers. We have two singles and a double. More time booked next weekend.
Post by: simonp on 13 February, 2018, 10:47:25 pm
:facepalm:
Post by: simonp on 16 February, 2018, 12:45:44 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-43044172/rowers-hit-barge-in-river-crash-by-the-camp-house-inn-near-worcester
Worcester Head Race is tomorrow and the course has been shortened to start downstream of this location, AIUI.
I've just volunteered to be a stand-in if the bow man in our 4+ needs to drop out. I've not done a long piece in ages so the race being only 4km would suit me well.
Post by: simonp on 19 February, 2018, 10:55:28 pm
I'd have liked more than a day's notice - I did weights on Thursday and still didn't like stairs. I didn't feel too bad during the race though.
Then yesterday back at the club, apparently it's now regatta training already. So we ended up doing 3x race starts. FFS! ;D
Post by: simonp on 27 February, 2018, 11:52:03 pm
Really struggled to breathe, bit of a fly and die, managed 19:45.2.
Oh well, at least there's room for improvement.
Post by: simonp on 29 April, 2018, 10:12:05 pm
Absolutely knackered now. Very productive few days, though.
Post by: Chris S on 06 May, 2018, 06:43:16 pm
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/908/41033441315_ed3ab3b1d8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25vZ7w8)
Post by: simonp on 06 May, 2018, 09:18:08 pm
We had beautiful conditions on the Avon this weekend.
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2018, 11:47:01 am
My 2K times are not what they were a year ago but the other guy for bow seat is slower and didn’t even post a time. So I’m in by default. ;D
Saturday 1500m gonna hurt.
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2018, 04:43:54 pm
5x500m 1:49.2 at lunchtime.
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2018, 10:39:11 am
It’s supposed to be 6x500m but I felt sick after the 5th and didn’t want to find out what would happen if I did another.
Post by: mike on 17 May, 2018, 01:02:29 pm
Did same st 1:48.8 yesterday evening, r29.
It’s supposed to be 6x500m but I felt sick after the 5th and didn’t want to find out what would happen if I did another.
:D sounds ideal.
I even managed a scull yesterday, first one in ages and the steering and balance weren't too bad despite the wind - am spending too much time coaching to actually row. The squad did their 2k tests last night and everyone except 1 got a PB, so I can't ask much more.. Here's a clip of the 4 that are racing at Nottingham in 10 days on their first outing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djpzid-hBmY the woman at 2 (white t-shirt, second from the right) has only been rowing for about a year, I'm really pleased with how she's doing.
Post by: simonp on 17 May, 2018, 01:45:29 pm
Did same st 1:48.8 yesterday evening, r29.
It’s supposed to be 6x500m but I felt sick after the 5th and didn’t want to find out what would happen if I did another.
:D sounds ideal.
I even managed a scull yesterday, first one in ages and the steering and balance weren't too bad despite the wind - am spending too much time coaching to actually row. The squad did their 2k tests last night and everyone except 1 got a PB, so I can't ask much more.. Here's a clip of the 4 that are racing at Nottingham in 10 days on their first outing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djpzid-hBmY the woman at 2 (white t-shirt, second from the right) has only been rowing for about a year, I'm really pleased with how she's doing.
First outing? Not bad at all.
We did our first outing for our 4+ for Monmouth last week Thursday. We hadn't got the boat sitting at that stage which led to some frustration particularly from stroke. 4 water sessions since then and we're in a bigger, faster boat, and it's coming together. We've also changed our start sequence, and it seems to work better.
Out on the water this evening for a pair of 2-2-2-1 up 2s and then we're doing double session Saturday with another work session followed by 12km UT2.
My sculling has improved a lot this year as I've spent some time in the stable single. Being told it's time to try a fine single but will leave it until after Monmouth.
I'm interested* to find out how the new competition framework is going to work. Last year was mostly racing at IM3 due to one guy in our squad having a point. This year, no clue. I think under the old system we have 7 points in our boat as 3 seat is more experienced. But under the new system, I have 20 points and he has only 10 due to not having raced last year.
* Suspect it will be chaotic.
Post by: mike on 17 May, 2018, 03:57:03 pm
I'm interested* to find out how the new competition framework is going to work.
* Suspect it will be chaotic.
Yes. I had more points than the stroke of our first mens 4 thanks to a 3rd place in our category at vets 4s head last year - he'd raced and won at senior 1 level... We're expecting every regatta this season to be a complete lottery, except for things like the Met which is finals based on a timetrial and HRR which is 'different'. A lot of the cambridge events have ignored both and developed their own honour-based system so you chose your own categories based on how good you think you are!
Post by: simonp on 26 May, 2018, 08:48:03 pm
Post by: mike on 27 May, 2018, 11:12:11 am
Post by: simonp on 27 May, 2018, 11:43:55 am
Fantastic. I wondered if you were at Nottingham - lots of your clubmates here...
Probably Bristol City?
Currently sitting in the beer tent not allowed on the water due to thunder. We have a rematch with Staines in the 750m semi final then if we beat that either Cardiff Uni or Monmouth School in the final. We lost to Monmouth last year with a much weaker line up. Hopefully we will get to race.
Post by: simonp on 27 May, 2018, 08:10:43 pm
Fantastic. I wondered if you were at Nottingham - lots of your clubmates here...
Probably Bristol City?
Currently sitting in the beer tent not allowed on the water due to thunder. We have a rematch with Staines in the 750m semi final then if we beat that either Cardiff Uni or Monmouth School in the final. We lost to Monmouth last year with a much weaker line up. Hopefully we will get to race.
We lost that one - we had the worse start this time. Staines were the toughest race yesterday and were likely a lot fresher today as we raced 3 rounds vs their one yesterday.
Winning yesterday was probably above expectations so losing today keeps us grounded.
Post by: simonp on 31 May, 2018, 09:50:52 pm
10s improvement next month?
Post by: simonp on 04 June, 2018, 11:06:44 pm
I think the slides were too far forwards which caused me issues. It’s booked again for Thursday and will hopefully get the boat set up a bit better.
Post by: mike on 07 June, 2018, 02:04:59 pm
Post by: simonp on 07 June, 2018, 02:53:09 pm
I remember my first time in a double - that was scary. But then people were like “You went out with Bartosz? No wonder it was scary!”
Post by: simonp on 09 June, 2018, 06:39:12 pm
Meanwhile, this https://www.britishrowing.org/power8challenge/ is a 350m erg challenge.
I tried it after our water session (3x1000m) and weights this morning, did 1:02.8. So far three people at our club have gone faster.
I doubt I could get to 1:00, it would require 15% more power an I doubt even when fresh I can do that.
The Power8s sprints event is in Bristol. Should be a fun watch.
Post by: simonp on 02 July, 2018, 08:35:46 am
Saturday open 4+ 1000m division 2 runner-up.
Sunday open 4+ 500m division 1 winners.
Not a bad weekend’s work.
Post by: mike on 09 July, 2018, 03:42:10 pm
The filming they're doing now is incredible with multiple cameras and an enormous drone, the highlights reel for the finals is 15 minutes but if you only watch one race then the single sculls which starts at 4.01 into the video is a belter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0s8YsCofY
Post by: simonp on 15 July, 2018, 09:37:35 pm
Beat local rivals City of Bristol in semi-final. That was a fairly easy win, they are a development crew. The final was Cardiff Uni. They were big guys and seemed quite cocky. We beat them by 1/3 length.
Next up: Peterborough Regatta and a chance for some multi lane racing.
Post by: Chris S on 15 July, 2018, 09:55:14 pm
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 15 July, 2018, 10:02:25 pm
Post by: mike on 16 July, 2018, 10:19:26 pm
see you at peterborough!
Post by: simonp on 16 July, 2018, 11:27:28 pm
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
;D
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2018, 08:55:52 pm
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
Are you racing or there in a coaching capacity?
We’ve entered our 4+ in Masters A/B and Open on Saturday and Open on Sunday. There was no competition in masters on Sunday.
Post by: mike on 08 August, 2018, 10:17:02 pm
:thumbsup:
see you at peterborough!
Are you racing or there in a coaching capacity?
We’ve entered our 4+ in Masters A/B and Open on Saturday and Open on Sunday. There was no competition in masters on Sunday.
they're threatening to make me sub in on sunday, but I'll probably just be coaching!
If I do race it'll be in a band 2 coxed 4, possibly the one in the same heat as you!! (I dont know which one yet)
Post by: mike on 09 August, 2018, 01:33:33 pm
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2018, 03:15:23 pm
update: I am subbing in, but in a later heat. See you in the final!
Haha, excellent!
Post by: simonp on 12 August, 2018, 05:57:19 pm
On Saturday in the 1000m we did however make the final and came second to a very strong Peterborough crew. Multi lane racing is great, we should do more of it. And having timings means we have a much better idea of how we measure up against the better crews. I don’t think I’ve ever come off the water feeling as knackered as after Saturday’s final.
It was good to catch up Mike. :thumbsup:
Post by: ElyDave on 16 August, 2018, 05:19:25 pm
3 x 10 min with 2 min rest, HR to 150. Legs were much happier than when I took them out for a run yesterday.
Post by: simonp on 27 August, 2018, 11:17:46 am
We found out that local rivals City of Bristol had sent 3 4s to the event - with only 5 boats in the draw in total - and we haven't raced City much. The word on the grapevine was that they expected their best crew (who we faced in the first round) to beat us.
That is not how it played out - it was our easiest race of the day. However we then got off the water to find their next crew was already coming to boat check, giving us no break between races. As it was cold and raining and windy we were very cold by the time we lined up on the start - further delayed by canal traffic - we were shivering. That was a closer race but we were through to the final against Gloucester who had beaten the third City crew.
On we went to a length win against Gloucester. The tannoy announced that they'd found my Oakleys and would not be returning them if we won. "Just kidding I love you guys - shoutout to Billy Sardar [our captain]". On we went to a length win in the worst conditions of the day. Going to Peterborough and racing there probably helped with that, though this was wetter, colder and windier but on a smaller body of water.
The guy helping me out of the boat afterwards turned out to be the dad of one of the opposition crew. Apparently his son has only been rowing for 11 months and they gave us a good race.
Post by: Chris S on 27 August, 2018, 06:38:42 pm
Post by: ElyDave on 20 September, 2018, 03:53:20 pm
Post by: simonp on 30 September, 2018, 11:07:40 am
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 30 September, 2018, 06:23:00 pm
Post by: simonp on 02 October, 2018, 05:50:54 pm
congratulations
Two of the same crew (me included) were in the coxed 4 that won the dolphin award last year, so this is an improvement.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 09 October, 2018, 12:57:24 pm
I might be an outlier in this thread as it's more cycling that's cross training for rowing... Anyway, spurred on by marshalling at British Masters this year I have a race licence again and am racing at Bedford Head this Sunday (Mas C Mixed 2x), with a view to entering British Masters next year.. Not too many outings for us over the summer, but it's a useful baseline, and our club (Isle of Ely) is attending anyway so it's easy.
I won't think it's easy during the race - will have the usual thoughts of 'why?' and 'I've paid good money to do this'. Anyone else entered?
Post by: simonp on 09 October, 2018, 01:02:12 pm
Congrats on the award, simonp. :thumbsup:
I might be an outlier in this thread as it's more cycling that's cross training for rowing... Anyway, spurred on by marshalling at British Masters this year I have a race licence again and am racing at Bedford Head this Sunday (Mas C Mixed 2x), with a view to entering British Masters next year.. Not too many outings for us over the summer, but it's a useful baseline, and our club (Isle of Ely) is attending anyway so it's easy.
I won't think it's easy during the race - will have the usual thoughts of 'why?' and 'I've paid good money to do this'. Anyone else entered?
Good luck!
Not racing at Bedford; we're racing Gloucester Autumn Head (both morning and afternoon divsions) on the 28th.
Nearly every head race I've ever entered has been canceled due to adverse weather, so I've only done one so far.
Post by: simonp on 13 October, 2018, 05:16:38 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 October, 2018, 10:33:45 am
Post by: simonp on 16 October, 2018, 11:14:04 am
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Winter challenge at our club is 20@20.
Not had a go yet - but some of the dev squad, who are likely 20 years younger than me have posted distances in the 4600-4700m range. I'm hoping for >5000m.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 16 October, 2018, 12:48:34 pm
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
First race for several years last weekend over 2km; max HR 204, age 57. Either I have the heart of a 16 year-old, or the formula is crap. This was from a Garmin vivoactive 3, wrist-mounted - I know they are not as accurate as chest belts, but still. :o
(We were not fast, either. :-[ More training required.)
Post by: simonp on 16 October, 2018, 12:53:21 pm
Post by: Chris S on 16 October, 2018, 01:02:09 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 October, 2018, 09:14:35 pm
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Winter challenge at our club is 20@20.
Not had a go yet - but some of the dev squad, who are likely 20 years younger than me have posted distances in the 4600-4700m range. I'm hoping for >5000m.
I might need to give that a go - I usually row at a rate of 24 or 25 on the Concept II so it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment to try 20. I'd hope to still get under 19 minutes for 5000 metres at 24/25 so would like to think I could get close to 5000m in 20@20. Although it would be hard to resist the temptation to blast the last 300m as usual.
Interesting to see others' views on HR. I wasn't trusting my Garmin when it said I reached 190 but perhaps I'm not as old as I feel. ;D
Post by: simonp on 03 November, 2018, 08:13:32 pm
Video was taken so will be nice to see how it looked.
Post by: simonp on 15 November, 2018, 01:32:48 pm
Next week it’s 1000m@24.
Post by: ElyDave on 16 November, 2018, 07:31:19 am
Am back on the Concept II. Only have 40 seconds to make up to equal last years PB for 5000m and 1min 15 secs to reach a life time PB. Suspect the latter is out of reach. That curse of max heart rate being 220 - Age is starting to tell.
Winter challenge at our club is 20@20.
Not had a go yet - but some of the dev squad, who are likely 20 years younger than me have posted distances in the 4600-4700m range. I'm hoping for >5000m.
I might need to give that a go - I usually row at a rate of 24 or 25 on the Concept II so it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment to try 20. I'd hope to still get under 19 minutes for 5000 metres at 24/25 so would like to think I could get close to 5000m in 20@20. Although it would be hard to resist the temptation to blast the last 300m as usual.
Interesting to see others' views on HR. I wasn't trusting my Garmin when it said I reached 190 but perhaps I'm not as old as I feel. ;D
It's a lot of an adjustment to stick at 20spm for 20 mins, it's a particularly punishing workout as every stroke is maximal with not quite enough rest inbetween.
I've never rowed on the water, but back when I was less itinerant for work, I used to put in 1million plus meters a year on one of these things. 20r20 was always nasty, at least with a 2k the pain was over quicker.
At the moment with my recent injury I'm walking and swimming, and thinking the C2 is the next step in non-weight bearing exercise, depending how painful it is around the pelvis.
Post by: simonp on 21 November, 2018, 10:08:35 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 November, 2018, 10:54:04 am
8000m taken steady today, trying to keep the 500m split pace at 1:59. Just 91978m to go.
Anyone else going to give it a go. One of the charities is Word Bicycle Relief.
Post by: simonp on 24 November, 2018, 04:51:41 pm
Post by: simonp on 25 November, 2018, 04:11:07 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 November, 2018, 10:42:39 pm
Post by: simonp on 26 November, 2018, 11:12:11 pm
Post by: Chris S on 27 November, 2018, 08:51:22 am
Don’t think I’ll be doing this. I limit myself to one erg a week usually.
There's a new 100,000m record apparently. One to consider for a stormy winter's evening perhaps? ;)
From what I could tell, the Finnish Freak who got the record rode 1:48 splits for six hours :o.
Post by: L CC on 27 November, 2018, 10:17:55 am
Signed up for the Concept 2 holiday challenge today. 100,000m between midnight on November 22 and December 24th.
This is my 3rd year at it.
It's much more difficult with a sprained ankle and a chest infection, but at least this morning's effort had my splits at <3 minutes. Which is an improvement on the weekend where I thought I was going to choke with coughing and 2000m took almost 15 minutes.
Post by: simonp on 27 November, 2018, 11:06:29 am
Don’t think I’ll be doing this. I limit myself to one erg a week usually.
There's a new 100,000m record apparently. One to consider for a stormy winter's evening perhaps? ;)
From what I could tell, the Finnish Freak who got the record rode 1:48 splits for six hours :o.
1:48 - I am not much faster than that for 2K.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 28 November, 2018, 09:26:16 pm
26/11 - 10000m
28/11 - 7714m
Am going to have a go an a hour row on Friday morning, and if that goes well might consider the carrot of 200,000m in the holiday challenge.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 09 December, 2018, 05:54:42 pm
Thought I was over it. But aimed for an hour today and gave up after 32 minutes because the power just dropped. The carrot of 200,000m is now dangled too far out of reach and the stick of 100,000m is catching up fast. Still 8122m makes 33,858 so am over 1/3 distance.
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2018, 06:21:56 pm
Post by: L CC on 11 December, 2018, 03:49:48 pm
It's every day that's the killer.
I've missed the last couple of days as well as a few early (lurgied, injured) ones and now need almost 5,000 a day. It'll be tough.
Post by: Salvatore on 14 December, 2018, 08:06:01 pm
Post by: Gattopardo on 14 December, 2018, 08:15:50 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 15 December, 2018, 05:39:53 pm
Post by: Salvatore on 17 December, 2018, 10:27:42 pm
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2019, 08:59:50 pm
Post by: simonp on 18 January, 2019, 11:15:31 am
Had another go this week - got through it but thought I was going to need a bucket with about 250m to go. Made it and didn't vomit.
This is preparation for a 5k test next week.
:sick:
Also we have a 5k private head race tomorrow, we're off first, followed by intermediate men's 8 and then senior women's 8. So no pressure!
Post by: simonp on 19 January, 2019, 02:23:42 pm
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2019, 06:08:51 pm
I needn't have worried, though. It was the pair that went in and had to be rescued. :thumbsup:
Post by: simonp on 02 February, 2019, 03:41:26 pm
Did another one this morning before breakfast; 19:34.3. Better paced but still felt horrible for most of it.
That is a 4.5 year PB so fairly pleased - still some way short of my best effort from 2011, though.
Post by: mike on 29 March, 2019, 03:22:02 pm
A long way off being race fit, but loving loving loving being out. Probably fall in next time.
Post by: simonp on 29 March, 2019, 07:19:51 pm
I've snuck out in the single a few times in the last fortnight and it's *amazing* to be back on the water :D
A long way off being race fit, but loving loving loving being out. Probably fall in next time.
Nice. I’ve been slowly improving. Little time to get in the single sight the focus having been on the 8. Stepped back now to concentrate on PBP. I was asked to sub into a 4+ on Monday but declined due to having done a hilly 200 on Saturday and being knackered. Correct decision - I’d have had a miserable time.
Once PBP qualifiers are out the way I’ll try to get out in small boats - I’ve enjoyed the few outings in the pair more than the single but maybe should try to make progress as the skills are transferable.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 10 June, 2019, 11:31:15 am
Post by: simonp on 10 June, 2019, 11:35:18 am
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
Nice. :thumbsup:
I got back on the water after a break since March, on Saturday. Straight in with racing starts, in tricky conditions. Could have gone worse.
I hope to race a couple of regional regattas over the summer.
Post by: simonp on 28 July, 2019, 07:49:51 pm
This weekend I raced in a more familiar lineup, with a new stroke guy. We've had less than two weeks to prepare, and had a big technical focus. It paid off - we made the final yesterday, winning two rounds to get there. Blew it a little in the final, with a poor start.
Came back today, and won a semi and final to win the pot. Nailed the start both times and held them off in both races - much faster splits than yesterday. Now I have to step back again until after PBP. Great to get a final and a pot despite having spent limited time on the water this summer.
Post by: mike on 29 July, 2019, 07:17:04 am
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
ooh, I'd missed this! How are you finding the fluid? I was dissuaded from buying one because I was told they feel a bit soft, but others have said they're much more forgiving as a result and they seem to win a lot of races...
Post by: Marco Stefano on 31 July, 2019, 11:46:33 am
It's been an expensive couple of weeks; a new (to us) car, but more excitingly for me, a Fluidesign scull from an ex-GB lightweight. It will never go so fast again in my hands :-[ but I will have fun trying. :thumbsup:
ooh, I'd missed this! How are you finding the fluid? I was dissuaded from buying one because I was told they feel a bit soft, but others have said they're much more forgiving as a result and they seem to win a lot of races...
The only bits that feel soft are the fore & aft hulls and canvasses (single skin carbon), but they are supposed to be, and owners talk of hitting things and it springing back with a pop with no damage; some Lolas and Aylings were built like this too. The centre section is as stiff as you like, and with the big bow wing rigger it tends to sound like sculling a tin can if finishes / feathering is harsh. Took a while to get used to no backstays in front of me. In a club Swift I would usually take 35 mins to get to a usual turning point on our river (at the meeting with the Lark), but two days ago I was turned and well over 1km back up river in the same time. :o ;D Need to carry on to Littleport now before turning... Having a boat that I can rig for me makes a huge difference too. Loving it. :thumbsup:
The boat has race history (I need to see if it won medals somewhere; it's owner was a double World Champion & Olympic silver medalist in LWT 4-) and went to Rio as the spare man's boat. Would be nice to document that.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 October, 2019, 07:52:59 pm
Work almost over, except for the never-ending kitchen-floor saga, so after two heavily loaded Volvo estate car trips to the tip and some reorganisation have rescued the Concept II from said debris and surplus possessions, and also the weights and balance balls. So kicked off winter training with just over 2500m in 10 minutes then some relatively lightweight deadlifts and squats.
Hopefully another session on Thursday
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 December, 2019, 09:42:25 pm
I'm also hoping that helps to keep the leg strength high whilst trying to lose the lard around my middle that has crept up in volume and weight over the last two years to a point where the hills all seem a lot steeper than they used to be.
Post by: Panoramix on 05 January, 2020, 04:29:48 pm
Post by: mike on 06 January, 2020, 08:09:40 pm
I also did my level 2 coaching qualification, although that was much more about safety and process than actual rowing. Good to get it done though!
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 06 January, 2020, 08:11:58 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 January, 2020, 03:01:57 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 12 January, 2020, 03:53:58 pm
I've been coaching rowing (volunteering) for 3 or 4 years now, for one of the clubs in Cambridge plus a university college first boat, both only mid-table performance at best but in december I started shadowing one of the coaches for the cambridge boat race crew, in an attempt to get better at coaching faster crews and I'm loving it.. Amazing to watch olympic-level athletes train and fight for seats, and they even ask me to do some shouting sometimes.
I also did my level 2 coaching qualification, although that was much more about safety and process than actual rowing. Good to get it done though!
That sounds interesting, Mike, quite an eye-opener I bet. The first couple of weeks each year seem to be marked by a predominance of 'palmares' kit (GB, US, Harvard, Leander etc.) :) . I generally get involved by staying out of their way... I have perceived an increased level of politeness on the water this year towards us oiks on the other side of the river, but it may be that I am in a posher boat (i.e. not a club Swift) that has been in their boathouse for a couple of years. Good to see them out when going well though, sometimes very impressive (and make the water very bumpy).
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 30 January, 2020, 06:17:36 am
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 18 March, 2020, 08:12:58 am
Post by: Marco Stefano on 21 March, 2020, 04:45:01 pm
Expect to be doing more on the Ergo now.
Yes - our club shut yesterday evening, not even private single scull use allowed. BR now concerned about indoor rowing safety following a number of incidents involving heart problems (and fatalities, sadly).
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 April, 2020, 10:59:35 am
Post by: bludger on 14 April, 2020, 11:44:17 am
(https://i.imgur.com/otQBSYS.jpg)
I strongly strongly advise using chamois cream on the insides of your elbows, knees, and your forearms where they can rub against your sides. Friction + salt sweat is your enemy!!! Liberally smear anywhere you think might have any kind of rub.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 15 April, 2020, 06:58:53 pm
Make sure to log it using ergdata onto your concept 2 logbook. They'll send you a free pin in the post when you verify it.
(https://i.imgur.com/otQBSYS.jpg)
I strongly strongly advise using chamois cream on the insides of your elbows, knees, and your forearms where they can rub against your sides. Friction + salt sweat is your enemy!!! Liberally smear anywhere you think might have any kind of rub.
It's the pin below the marathon badge which is dead impressive. I've rowed 100,000m as one of a 4-man relay team, the other three were ex-university rowers and it still took us over 6 hours. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
Post by: bludger on 15 April, 2020, 07:12:10 pm
Post by: Salvatore on 15 April, 2020, 07:22:28 pm
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
You can get a badge and a T shirt for logging 1,000,000 lifetime metres.
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2020, 09:26:14 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 19 April, 2020, 10:21:57 am
Post by: Salvatore on 29 April, 2020, 08:28:18 am
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
You can get a badge and a T shirt for logging 1,000,000 lifetime metres.
And this is what it looks like. I wouldn't have bothered if it was only the medal, but the T-shirt which comes with it feels like a good quality one.
(https://i.imgur.com/SksO8YYm.jpg)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 30 April, 2020, 08:23:35 pm
Post by: Chris S on 30 April, 2020, 10:31:54 pm
Post by: Salvatore on 01 May, 2020, 09:23:09 am
Post by: L CC on 01 May, 2020, 04:26:05 pm
I had no idea it was so close...
*bling lust*
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 May, 2020, 03:42:35 pm
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 June, 2020, 04:13:44 pm
Was pretty much in the same percentile group for 1km as for my longer rows despite not having done any specific training, which makes me curious - or perhaps the 2 - 4 minute that it takes to blast up local hills on my bicycle is good cross-training for rowing?
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 17 June, 2020, 10:00:27 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 June, 2020, 10:03:55 pm
I'll certainly be logging it as I quite fancy a rowing badge to go with my old Audax ones.
You can get a badge and a T shirt for logging 1,000,000 lifetime metres.
And this is what it looks like. I wouldn't have bothered if it was only the medal, but the T-shirt which comes with it feels like a good quality one.
(https://i.imgur.com/SksO8YYm.jpg)
I logged 5000m this morning, which brought me over the 1,000,000 metres logged and by the afternoon had got the invoice (free) for the pin and the T-shirt from Concept 2. Am well on track for the 1,000,000 metres for the calendar year, having reached 631,457, but the Concept 2 year starts on 1 May so will have to keep going for a while to get 1,000,000 metres in their season. Quite looking forward to the medal. It can sit with the PBP, LEL, and Mille Miglia thingies and a few other running and cycling memorabilia. They used to sit in a box, until our cleaner said it was silly to hide them away and lined them up neatly on a shelf to collect dust.
Post by: simonp on 02 August, 2020, 12:10:08 am
So this morning I went out in a fine boat. I spent 5-10 minutes getting used to it with arms and body and then working up to full slide. I’m a little surprised how well it went if I’m honest and I did not scare myself. Even did a nice landing.
I think the break helped. It has allowed a bit of a reset particularly as someone who has always rowed bow side and spent most of the last 3 years in the same crew. And the coaching I got on Wednesday was better suited to my sculling experience level whereas when in a top crew in the club the coaching is focusing on fine tuning - my sculling is not needing fine tuning it’s about the basics at the moment. So maybe I’ll get competent before we lock down again.
Post by: Davef on 02 August, 2020, 07:05:59 am
Post by: simonp on 02 August, 2020, 11:41:14 am
Post by: Davef on 02 August, 2020, 11:54:56 am
Post by: L CC on 29 August, 2020, 06:13:02 pm
Awesome.
Post by: simonp on 29 August, 2020, 06:19:41 pm
Also I wasn’t the one who capsized. :smug:
Post by: mike on 01 September, 2020, 01:54:31 pm
Also I wasn’t the one who capsized. :smug:
that would have been me, last week. Bit rusty.. (left blade got caught under a tree just down from First Post, quick swim to the towpath then back in the boat. Luckily the river was really quiet and nobody saw :D )
Post by: simonp on 01 September, 2020, 02:07:14 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 October, 2020, 09:12:10 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 02 November, 2020, 10:44:44 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 03 November, 2020, 02:41:22 pm
that would have been me, last week. Bit rusty.. (left blade got caught under a tree just down from First Post, quick swim to the towpath then back in the boat. Luckily the river was really quiet and nobody saw :D )
I haven't seen the incident report yet, Mike... :P Yes, I'm your Regional Rowing Safety Advisor.
Post by: Chris S on 26 November, 2020, 10:52:19 pm
The sad fact is, as we start 2020's Holiday Challenge, I can barely row at all. I've grown something of a belly during lockdown (hey, I already had a start on it even before March) and I now find rowing a pretty constricted, puffing-and-blowing kind of affair.
I'll give the challenge my best shot, but my opening target of 2000m was beyond me; I could just manage 1500m at 2:40 splits. I'm a lardy mess at the moment, and being almost 61 with lung issues probably doesn't help.
Ah well. Only way is up, right?
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The gut gets in the way and I always feel like I'm not getting enough breath. Hopefully the rower will work its magic and the gut will diminish.
Not much changed in 11 years then ;D
(TBF, a lot changed in the intervening years - I just regressed some)
Post by: L CC on 07 December, 2020, 02:49:38 pm
945,088
I had no idea it was so close...
*bling lust*
Done.
The blisters are Normal for the Time of Year, now, so I think I might try for the marathon before the end of the Holiday Challenge.
Post by: simonp on 07 December, 2020, 03:53:12 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 07 December, 2020, 06:17:03 pm
I'm not allowed to go to the rowing club, because it's Tier 3 and I'm not.
That's a bugger.
Ours is open again but I've not been out for a couple of months now (back problem), and now it seems to be permanently foggy here. I'd have to pick my time to go out; not sure if I can scull hard enough to keep warm if it's too cold.
Post by: De Sisti on 08 December, 2020, 08:51:52 am
Am working towards a marathon on the Concept 2Now down to an 11 week wait (and counting) for a Concept 2. I'd rather buy brand new than
go for a pre-owned one on ebay.
Post by: Davef on 08 December, 2020, 02:55:24 pm
They are designed for huge mileage. Most secondhand ones will be barely run in unless they have come from a commercial environment.Am working towards a marathon on the Concept 2Now down to an 11 week wait (and counting) for a Concept 2. I'd rather buy brand new than
go for a pre-owned one on ebay.
Post by: De Sisti on 08 December, 2020, 03:36:52 pm
asking prices for pre-owned models on ebay.
Post by: Davef on 08 December, 2020, 03:42:50 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 December, 2020, 09:10:22 pm
Post by: mike on 13 December, 2020, 05:42:37 pm
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?
* There are none in the Ely course. One slight bend, perhaps 5 degrees to the left. Winning the toss will be more important than when they're in London if it's a windy day though - the sheltered side get a huge advantage.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 14 December, 2020, 02:29:20 pm
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
Are Trial 8s running downstream (Ely - Littleport)? Hope to be watching; women & lightweights also?
Post by: L CC on 14 December, 2020, 04:14:46 pm
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?:o
I'm doing better than I've ever done and I'm only at
Post by: mike on 15 December, 2020, 02:35:01 pm
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
Are Trial 8s running downstream (Ely - Littleport)? Hope to be watching; women & lightweights also?
yep, starting at the tiny flag just after the adelaide bridge - which lines up with the commemorative marker on the road side bank where the race started in 1948 (?). Not sure on timings but it'll be the openweight men and women in eights, plus the lightweight women in fours and lightweight men in eights (I think) - although oxford lightweight men still havent agreed to racing in Ely. I'll post here as soon as I find out times, if you like.. Look out for me on a launch following the women!
Post by: JJ on 15 December, 2020, 02:48:10 pm
Poor sods!
Post by: mike on 15 December, 2020, 03:20:47 pm
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
I think peterborough is worse - similarly dull and straight but at least at Ely you... nope, can't do it, they're both dire. Good for coaching on though!!
Post by: Marco Stefano on 16 December, 2020, 01:39:13 pm
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
Wind from the NE - agreed, it can be horrible, even when there is usually little stream to speak of. A lot of the time it's fine, honestly. Few distractions either (barring CUBC pairs, the most dangerous species on the river).
When the Great Ouse Marathon was run Ely - Denver some decades ago, a friend recalled starting in an eight and finding it somewhat depressing to still be able to see the cathedral about 45 minutes later...
Post by: Marco Stefano on 16 December, 2020, 01:46:28 pm
Trial eights next week for the university rowers...
Are Trial 8s running downstream (Ely - Littleport)? Hope to be watching; women & lightweights also?
yep, starting at the tiny flag just after the adelaide bridge - which lines up with the commemorative marker on the road side bank where the race started in 1948 (?). Not sure on timings but it'll be the openweight men and women in eights, plus the lightweight women in fours and lightweight men in eights (I think) - although oxford lightweight men still havent agreed to racing in Ely. I'll post here as soon as I find out times, if you like.. Look out for me on a launch following the women!
Yes please, Mike - I'd like to see them all, timings would be useful if you can get them.
The last race was 1944 (apart from the 'Diamond 44' re-run in 2004, out of which popped Isle of Ely RC) - the marker is the Diamond 44 finish. Hope there is room to slow at Littleport in a close race, only room for one under the bridge...
Post by: mike on 16 December, 2020, 02:15:18 pm
I only have the timings for the women:
Yes please, Mike - I'd like to see them all, timings would be useful if you can get them.
8:15 - 9.00 Openweights pre-paddle
8.30 - 9.15 Lightweights pre-paddle
[plenty of time for weigh-in and briefings]
12.15 Openweight women race
13.30 Lightweight women race
So the two mens races could be either 9.30 and 11 which I think is unlikely, given they'll need time to have a pre-paddle, weigh in and have and briefings or after the women at 2.45 and 4.. the gap between races just about gives time for everyone to row home, get out of the way and swap launches to the next load of people!
then Oxford repeat it all on friday! It's all being recorded and will be put online next week on the boat race website and youtube, i think.
The finish line is about 75 yards before the bridge, so hopefully we'll be OK! :D
Post by: simonp on 17 December, 2020, 01:28:25 am
That's absolutely without question the most depressing stretch of river I've ever rowed on. Look over your shoulder and you can see the banks converge to a point. It's like the barrel of a gun, a cold and windy gun with white horses and no view whatsoever.
Poor sods!
I'd quite like to try rowing on a straight river at least once, though actually given my tendency to veer to bow side in a single, a circular one would be better still.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 21 December, 2020, 11:23:16 am
At least you had decent conditions; much windier on Friday, gusty tailwind. I had a trundle down to Queen Adelaide on Friday and saw a few Oxford crews off, presumably on warmups since no racing was involved.
Post by: mike on 21 December, 2020, 11:48:15 am
I think oxford were racing on Saturday.
I finally got a decent pic with the cathedral in the bg of one of the crews warming up:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50742806553_8000a877ed_h.jpg)
& the same crew racing later:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50743539211_2b5ff40dde_h.jpg)
and for balance, here's the other crew (on a different morning!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50743651482_233abbc575_h.jpg)
Post by: mike on 24 December, 2020, 07:37:29 am
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?
as of last night, 300k done! Went for a ride on tuesday and it has ruined my legs, might take a few days off the erg now! :D
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 December, 2020, 08:19:39 pm
And I thought I'd give the holiday challenge a go, aiming for 100km between thanksgiving and christmas, I've enjoyed it a lot more than I expected and I just went through 200km... 300 by christmas?
as of last night, 300k done! Went for a ride on tuesday and it has ruined my legs, might take a few days off the erg now! :D
Well done. I stopped at 250k. However, it seems to have helped my legs. Am able to hold the power down on some of my little local hills better than a month ago. Am going for The Haul (15 hours in January), which will probably end up being a similar distance.
With 200k+ you should qualify for the little pin from Concept II
Post by: UKJim on 01 January, 2021, 06:29:24 pm
Post by: mike on 02 January, 2021, 12:46:38 pm
Hard to buy new at the mo, but they do come up on ebay and are pretty much indestructible so dont worry too much about getting a model C or D - they're essentially the same machine with a different monitor. To get proper connection to your phone and the world you'll need to retrofit a PM5 monitor, if it doesnt already have one. (£155 here: https://shop-uk.concept2.com/performance-monitors/338-pm5-monitor.html )
Post by: ElyDave on 02 January, 2021, 02:53:26 pm
Will probably do half an hour cross training on it this evening
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 06 January, 2021, 11:29:26 am
Post by: mike on 06 January, 2021, 01:31:10 pm
Am 6 days into The Haul - 15 hours on the Concept II in January, 3 hours 10 minutes so far, so just ahead of schedule.
good work! I've had a couple of days off with a foot too sore to push off [gout] - back on this afternoon, hopefully!
and after a couple of days off to recover, the 300k in December meant I was flying up a couple of the short, sharp slopes around here on boxing day :D (on the long steady ones, sadly not so much..)
Post by: freeflow on 08 January, 2021, 12:56:15 pm
The pulling rope no longer retracts and having had a look inside there is no obvious thing that I can fiddle with to make a repair.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a low cost replacement?
Post by: L CC on 08 January, 2021, 01:43:40 pm
There's a reason most of us on this thread have/use Concept2.
Post by: mike on 08 January, 2021, 01:52:40 pm
Post by: Davef on 08 January, 2021, 03:17:28 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 08 January, 2021, 03:35:52 pm
concept2Brand new the waiting is about 15 -20 weeks and the cost is approx £820.
Hard to buy new at the mo, but they do come up on ebay
I have seen pre-owned models on ebay for about £500.
Post by: simonp on 08 January, 2021, 03:47:50 pm
Post by: ElyDave on 08 January, 2021, 04:50:46 pm
The first concept 2 I used the wheel was an actual bicycle wheel with a 5 speed block, and plastic flaps attached to the spokes. Distance was a clickety old school bike mileometer
The first gym I went to had those, they upgraded to model B's with the plywood footplates and PM on the fan cage
Post by: Davef on 09 January, 2021, 04:06:24 pm
Back then it wasn’t a rowing machine, it was an ergometer . Rowing machines were what you got from Argos.The first concept 2 I used the wheel was an actual bicycle wheel with a 5 speed block, and plastic flaps attached to the spokes. Distance was a clickety old school bike mileometer
The first gym I went to had those, they upgraded to model B's with the plywood footplates and PM on the fan cage
Post by: UKJim on 10 January, 2021, 12:33:46 pm
https://www.concept2.com/
or
https://www.sports-supplements-compare.co.uk/jll-ventus-2-air-rowing-machine-uk/
If I can find a 2nd hand Concept localy I will go with that.
Post by: De Sisti on 10 January, 2021, 03:50:57 pm
Mine has been put back, so probably sometime in March.concept2Brand new the waiting is about 15 -20 weeks and the cost is approx £820.
Hard to buy new at the mo, but they do come up on ebay
I have seen pre-owned models on ebay for about £500.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 January, 2021, 08:17:06 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 16 January, 2021, 08:51:52 pm
I've had a couple of days off with a foot too sore to push off [gout]
I still have it. Have been taking Naproxen.
Post by: mike on 17 January, 2021, 07:25:31 pm
Having done 250k in December and deep into the 15 hours of the haul this month, noticed that I was able to keep a faster pace over an hour, so decided to have a go at a half-marathon PB today. Knocked more than 2 minutes off the old time, so the distance has really made a difference. I hope it transfers to the bike once the weather gets better and I can ride a reasonable distance from home.
awesome. I get to about 12k and then have just had enough.. Do you watch a movie while you're doing it?
For anyone wanting to order a concept 2, apparently this awesome charity have some in stock - https://www.londonyouthrowing.com/shop/concept-2-rowing-machine (might feel expensive compared to a 500 pound machine, but will will barely depreciate at all.. )
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 18 January, 2021, 10:33:39 pm
Having done 250k in December and deep into the 15 hours of the haul this month, noticed that I was able to keep a faster pace over an hour, so decided to have a go at a half-marathon PB today. Knocked more than 2 minutes off the old time, so the distance has really made a difference. I hope it transfers to the bike once the weather gets better and I can ride a reasonable distance from home.
awesome. I get to about 12k and then have just had enough.. Do you watch a movie while you're doing it?
No. Just look at the monitor and concentrate on keeping an even stroke. I find concentrating on the expected completion time is really helpful as it picks up when I'm starting to get lazy and ensures I keep my discipline. It's also good mental cross-training for long flat straight mile-eating roads. Also - as I spend 8 - 10 hours working at a screen these days its quite nice not to be watching anything in particular.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 23 January, 2021, 04:37:34 pm
Feel in good shape to have a first go at 50,000. Only 1hr 58min to go to complete The Haul and 8 days to do it.
Post by: mike on 03 February, 2021, 06:09:15 pm
I finished The Haul too, and am now aiming for another 200k in Feb. It's a shame they don't do the scoreboard like during the holiday challenge, I found that really motivating!
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 February, 2021, 07:01:51 pm
I'm guessing you got there? :) Amazing. I did manage an hour without stopping last week, but that's probably my boredom limit.
I finished The Haul too, and am now aiming for another 200k in Feb. It's a shame they don't do the scoreboard like during the holiday challenge, I found that really motivating!
Yes. I did resort to a long play list of heavy rock dominated music. And stuck pretty well to strategy, was just 100 seconds off my stretch target, but 4 minutes quicker than my previous marathon (42195m) row. It's a shame you can't claim 2PBs in a row. But I have ordered a stainless steel coffee flask with the 50k logo on even if I have to pay for it to be posted from the US.
Aiming to get to 500k this calendar year by the end of Feb, which should be achievable given that lockdown and shite weekend weather is making cycling fairly unappealing at the moment. And might have a go at another marathon towards the end of the month.
The scoreboard that I'm looking at is the most metres in their year (to 30 April) - not to get to the top pages as that's for people who spend 2+ hours a day and clearly don't have anything better to do - but I've a target to finish above x000th in the world.
Post by: woollypigs on 05 February, 2021, 11:25:40 am
I found this fella on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGYcAoZ9WTJriM9jZkXxoPg (RowAlong / Indoor Rowing Workouts) I like his style, not that I have to be the best/hero/cool/influencer/winning person
Post by: mike on 05 February, 2021, 11:47:36 am
Woolly - you'd love it... Someone as tall as you gets a massive advantage :)
Post by: woollypigs on 05 February, 2021, 12:31:49 pm
/me might and might not have put down a payment on a waterrower A1 :)
Post by: mike on 05 February, 2021, 01:09:19 pm
Yea Training Tall is good but a bit too much of an American and youtuber for my liking :)
/me might and might not have put down a payment on a waterrower A1 :)
;D ;D
water rowers are great. I had one for a bit, they're much kinder to your back than concept2 (and look and sound much better!)
Post by: woollypigs on 05 February, 2021, 01:53:34 pm
So lets see in March if I can go for a paddle
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 11 February, 2021, 09:07:01 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 February, 2021, 09:41:03 am
Went for a longer local ride yesterday. Having done at least as far (virtually) on the Concept II this year as I have on the bicycle was interested to see how the legs coped on the road. Average speed was definitely higher than I expected and the legs felt good, particularly on long gradual climbs where I could apply sustained power. They were as rubbish as usual on the two steep climbs (10%) on the route. However, towards the end, I put the hammer down to meet a target of x miles in y time, and there was a pleasing amount of power in the tank.
It's only perception, as there are too many variables, most of them I can't measure. But I would argue that the exam has at least a marginal pass.
Post by: freeflow on 22 February, 2021, 10:29:26 am
This has worked extremely well. The short sessions mean that we focus on getting our rowing done rather than avoiding the rowing sessions.
Both of us have noticed that after a couple of weeks things were getting a lot easier and it was possible to get into Zen mode so (thinking of other things whilst rowing so that the time passes more quickly).
As of this morning I'm upto 256 strokes at a pace of 28.1/min. When I get to 10 minutes of time I'll stop increasing the strokes by 1 each session and focus on upping the stroke rate on a more frequent basis with a target of 5 x 10 minute sessions at least 5 days a week.
Overall I'm pleasantly surprised at how doable this approach to rowing has been. As the weather is now improving, I'm looking forward to seeing what benefits, if any, there will be when I get out on the bike.
Post by: De Sisti on 22 February, 2021, 10:37:50 am
I also decided that installing a metronomeThanks for the tip :thumbsup: . I have a couple of metronomes (used for double bass practice), one could
be used for rowing use when the Concept II arrives in March. My training won't be special, just
doing 15 -20 minute sessions.
Post by: mike on 22 February, 2021, 11:08:08 am
The watts comparison from cycling to rowing is really interesting (if you like that kind of thing!) - athletes that I coach can typically generate about 30-40 watts more on the bike than on the rower during something like a hard 10 minute interval. This is due to a more consistent power application in cycling compared to rowing, where at least ½ - ⅔ of the time you're traveling forwards and not generating any power, and also it's easier to breathe on the bike compared to when you're squishing forwards every stroke on the rower.
A metronome is a great idea. You could set it up so it ticks four or five times every stroke to keep the 'right' rhythm -
Catch / Finish / tick / tick / tick / Catch / Finish / tick / tick / tick at rates up to about 22 or 24, then
Catch / Finish / tick / tick / Catch / Finish / tick / tick for when you're going faster!
Post by: L CC on 22 February, 2021, 11:16:12 am
Saturday I did 25km. There is a reason why -I'm a bit embarrassed how far I'll go for a pair of virtual pink shorts.
Post by: freeflow on 22 February, 2021, 11:35:17 am
For context I'm 63, 182cm, 112kg (wishing I were 82kg again) and have no problems doing full value 200km Audaxes.
Post by: woollypigs on 22 February, 2021, 11:41:05 am
I was hoping that rowing is a bit like canoeing, one paddle to set off, then float down stream and using the ore as a rudder while looking at the nature and enjoying a cold beer. That was why I have ordered a waterrower after all :)
Post by: Davef on 22 February, 2021, 11:56:29 am
The watts comparison from cycling to rowing is really interesting (if you like that kind of thing!) - athletes that I coach can typically generate about 30-40 watts more on the bike than on the rower during something like a hard 10 minute interval.Much of this is due to ‘wasted’ movement during rowing. If you were doing sit-ups on a recumbent bike this would be power your body was producing that was not contributing to forward motion nor being measured by the power meter. This is partly the nature of rowing but is exacerbated by poor technique.
Post by: mike on 22 February, 2021, 01:19:10 pm
Alas there is no such adjustment on the current, new, cheapo rower. If I'm still rowing in a years time, then I'll look as picking up one of the cheap concept II rowers that are likely to flood the market post Covid!!!
Sorry.. there's no way to adjust the width or angle of your feet on the C2 either.. Height only.
Post by: woollypigs on 23 February, 2021, 11:06:02 am
Post by: woollypigs on 24 February, 2021, 02:07:11 pm
Well since I have been searching about indoor rowing, youtube showed me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0XShQBJ1Kk&feature=youtu.be ( World championship indoor rowing)I'm not interested in the competition and the winnings of the sport. But what is mesmerizing that we got people all around the world rowing against each other. Also it is pro rowers, ex Olympians, world champs against <insert title> Bloggs with a live feed from their living room, kitchens, lofts, garden, shed, gym etc.
Hmm I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of marmite.
Post by: woollypigs on 28 March, 2021, 05:17:43 pm
So my program is:
2 days, say Tue and Thurs, of following Dark Horse Rowing beginner row : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-o0tSFfAkg or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECczy4vFHY - each about 20min including warm up and cooling down.
2 days, say Mon and Friday, of following Dark Horse Rowing beginner row, but keep rowing until I get to 5000m, so do the warm up and then the row and keep repeating until I hit 5000m, then do the cooling down. As I get better I will add 500m a week to this. A bit like Pete's plan - https://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/beginner-training/
1 day, say Wed, a free row but I might be following RowAlong - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGYcAoZ9WTJriM9jZkXxoPg - longer row along videos, just because he is so much more down to earth compared to Dark Horse or Tall rowing. Do this nice and easy and keep going until tired. Only really following the videos to have someone to look at to help remembering how to row, as I will prolly put a show or some tunes on. (Joy of having 3 monitors)
Then in 2 months time have a check on how things are going and them maybe try to swap a beginner row with a extra "free row".
My only real target coming up is the boat race on the 4th, do 6800m in one sitting, I might try to see if I can do it with "speed" :)
The only place I have found "pain" is in my lats, I'm very sure that in my life I haven't any special request to use them extra. A good stretch after a row and that tiredness is gone, so no pain other than I have had a nice workout.
Post by: mike on 29 March, 2021, 09:37:37 am
this year the boat race is a short one - 4.9k because it's at Ely. It'll take about the same amount of time because there's very little stream compared to London.
Post by: woollypigs on 29 March, 2021, 11:18:16 am
Post by: De Sisti on 29 March, 2021, 12:52:39 pm
used to it), all uploaded to my online logbook. I'm liking it a lot*.
* Must get rid of the Nordictrack 5000 ski that I don't use).
Post by: UKJim on 05 April, 2021, 12:00:00 am
My Concept2 D type arrived last Monday. I've had three sessions on it (first one was just to get
used to it), all uploaded to my online logbook. I'm liking it a lot*.
* Must get rid of the Nordictrack 5000 ski that I don't use).
Please let me know what you think of it. Thinking of getting one or a Water resistance one and cant make my mind up https://www.talkrowing.co.uk/best-water-resistance-rowing-machine/ (https://www.talkrowing.co.uk/best-water-resistance-rowing-machine/) Happy for any other suggestions as well.
Post by: woollypigs on 05 April, 2021, 11:30:05 am
Only minus bit I've found is that the little "speedometer" got a beep that is so loud, think smoke alarm. It took a good week before the mutt didn't come running, she is still nervous when I turn it on. And beep that let you know that you have reached your time/distance target, is loud and long a bit like the beep in the interview room on Line of Duty. So I don't use that part of it anymore.
Which is crazy since the waterrower is so quiet.
Post by: mike on 05 April, 2021, 05:11:15 pm
I thought the venue was great, helped massively by sunshine and a benign wind - if it'd been today (15 gusting 25 from the north) it would have been very rough, apparently there are waves on the course this morning.
Cambridge women were much bigger and stronger and I thought should probably have won by more. The technique looked a bit rough from a few people, but they showed a lot of guts to get back in front and the stern 4 looked magnificent. Oxford rowed brilliantly to get ahead and to stay in touch after ½ way, they looked more together than Cambridge although their catches all looked slow.
Cambridge mens rowing was absolutely textbook. They looked incredibly together and very very clean - hard to believe they've only been back on the water for a month, its some of the best rowing I've seen from them in a while. Their coxing was *very* close to the limit, the umpire could possibly have disqualified them if there had been a clash.
Hopefully the reserves and the lightweights will be scheduled for soon, exams and logistics permitting, it's a shame they won't get any coverage on the telly.
Post by: woollypigs on 05 April, 2021, 08:00:18 pm
The Umpire spend a lot of time shouting Oxford doing both races I noticed.
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 05 April, 2021, 09:38:01 pm
Post by: Marco Stefano on 06 April, 2021, 05:11:10 pm
anyone else watch the boat races yesterday? as a volunteer coach with cambridge, I thought it was awesome :D. I wasn't allowed to be there, it was incredibly carefully controlled.
I thought the venue was great, helped massively by sunshine and a benign wind - if it'd been today (15 gusting 25 from the north) it would have been very rough, apparently there are waves on the course this morning.
Cambridge women were much bigger and stronger and I thought should probably have won by more. The technique looked a bit rough from a few people, but they showed a lot of guts to get back in front and the stern 4 looked magnificent. Oxford rowed brilliantly to get ahead and to stay in touch after ½ way, they looked more together than Cambridge although their catches all looked slow.
Cambridge mens rowing was absolutely textbook. They looked incredibly together and very very clean - hard to believe they've only been back on the water for a month, its some of the best rowing I've seen from them in a while. Their coxing was *very* close to the limit, the umpire could possibly have disqualified them if there had been a clash.
Hopefully the reserves and the lightweights will be scheduled for soon, exams and logistics permitting, it's a shame they won't get any coverage on the telly.
Congratulations! Shame you couldn't attend, Mike. They all did well considering the lack of time they've all had together in each boat. I was really struck by the differences between the two clubs, both men & women; Cambridge apparently slower at the catch (but probably more efficient in terms of boat run), Oxford really catching hard (but that might take more time to get together and really make the boat go). It seems to be a long-standing club difference; maybe the change of venue really made it stand out (to this rowing technical nerd). Oxford men's start made my daughter gasp as we watched it.
I spent a few hours until about 2pm chatting at Isle of Ely RC over the river whilst my fellow members ran the ferry service to CUBC (Oxford marquee was on their carpark). Really lucky with the weather, conditions were very poor on Friday & Saturday; our juniors were out the next day with N winds, waves and snow...
Now we get the whole river back for us numpties to use. Sculling again tomorrow.
Post by: woollypigs on 18 April, 2021, 08:39:31 pm
Post by: mike on 26 April, 2021, 08:58:22 am
The reserve eight 'blondie' won by a big margin, the spare pair were leading by a couple of lengths at half way when Oxford went for a quick swim.. The Cambridge mens reserve eight won by a similar distance.
No social media yet, but Row360 were there with loads of cameras so I expect it'll appear online soon..
Post by: De Sisti on 26 April, 2021, 10:43:00 am
This morning's session:
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 April, 2021, 10:08:13 am
On the club run on Saturday, after hanging on whilst the ex-national TT champion and the sub-2:30 marathon runner drove the group, once they left, was able to tow the rest of the group for 10 miles, with the club captain, who is normally my peer, claiming that he was 'hanging on'. Even Jeff, who usually manages to half-wheel me to exhaustion gave up trying. Yes, it could have been a good day, but perhaps the number of cumulative hard 30 minute - 60 minute efforts on the indoor rower have helped my ability to put the hammer down for a similar period of time.
Hubris will probably follow next week. I get my race bike back from Argos cycles and will probably be out the back up the first hill. But until then, I'm going to claim that the rowing has definitely helped my cycling.
Post by: De Sisti on 27 April, 2021, 02:20:21 pm
I've done 98k metres since 16th March 2021. I use it every day that I'm not on the bike. I signed
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020. As this is a cross-training thread, the question is, has it helped my cycling?
On the club run on Saturday, after hanging on whilst the ex-national TT champion and the sub-2:30 marathon runner drove the group, once they left, was able to tow the rest of the group for 10 miles, with the club captain, who is normally my peer, claiming that he was 'hanging on'. Even Jeff, who usually manages to half-wheel me to exhaustion gave up trying. Yes, it could have been a good day, but perhaps the number of cumulative hard 30 minute - 60 minute efforts on the indoor rower have helped my ability to put the hammer down for a similar period of time.
Hubris will probably follow next week. I get my race bike back from Argos cycles and will probably be out the back up the first hill. But until then, I'm going to claim that the rowing has definitely helped my cycling.
up to receive the daily workout schedule. After a couple of short sessions, I now do the medium variety.
I currently enjoy beasting myself with :
- 4 x 2000 metres (2 mins easy rowing between intervals) or,
- 8 x 1000 meters (1 minute easy rowing between intervals) or,
- 10,000 metres (2k @ 22 strokes per minute, 2k @ 24 spm, 2k @26 spm, 2k @ 24 spm, 2k @ 22 spm).
Like @CrazyEnglishTriathlete, I think the sessions I've done have helped my cycling amongst my peers.
Post by: De Sisti on 27 April, 2021, 02:25:46 pm
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Post by: Salvatore on 27 April, 2021, 03:14:53 pm
Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Like this?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg2492115#msg2492115
Post by: De Sisti on 27 April, 2021, 03:46:53 pm
Yes, and a t-shirt.Just coming up to the end of the Concept 2 year and have rowed over 1.5m metres since 1 May 2020.One of my brothers received a nominal gift from Concept for achieving 1 million metres.
Like this?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg2492115#msg2492115 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23807.msg2492115#msg2492115)
Post by: mike on 27 April, 2021, 05:43:58 pm
Am definitely stronger and more able to push myself on the bike - am getting lots of PBs on Strava and even won a race up a [short] hill with my other half last weekend!! although she may not have known we were racing....
Post by: De Sisti on 28 April, 2021, 08:19:15 am
I've done about 1.2m meters since starting in late November. Most of it slow - 2.10-15 split - but am starting to mix in more intense, higher rate sessions too. 10x500m last week was... not fun at all.* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
Am definitely stronger and more able to push myself on the bike - am getting lots of PBs on Strava and even won a race up a [short] hill with my other half last weekend!! although she may not have known we were racing....
* I'm also getting some Strava PBs and I didn't feel as if I was trying any harder than normal.
Post by: mike on 28 April, 2021, 09:38:40 am
* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
I try and do 5 or 6 days a week, and it ranges from 6.5k to 12k per session. Now the sun's out I'm doing more meters on the water (and on the bike), but am trying to do 2 or 3 ergs a week.
Post by: De Sisti on 28 April, 2021, 10:21:48 am
My youngest brother is a member of the Six Million Metre Club and has done half a dozen Half* How often do you row (every day?), and how many metres per session?
I try and do 5 or 6 days a week, and it ranges from 6.5k to 12k per session. Now the sun's out I'm doing more meters on the water (and on the bike), but am trying to do 2 or 3 ergs a week.
Marathons. I'll try one within the next couple of weeks.
Post by: mike on 28 April, 2021, 10:49:27 am
What how much slower do you go for a ½ compared to 20 minute pace?
Post by: De Sisti on 29 April, 2021, 07:56:50 pm
Haven't tried that yet, the longest I've managed without a break is an hour.. Perhaps a challenge for May!!I've only had mine since mid-March, so building up endurance on it. I've gone from the short
What how much slower do you go for a ½ compared to 20 minute pace?
sessions, to the medium. My last 3 session have been 2 x (4 x 2000 metres, with 2 mins easy
between each interval) and 1 x (8 x 1000 metres, with 1 min easy between each interval).
My next session will be 10 x 500 metres, (about 30 strokes per min, 30 seconds easy rowing between each interval). The last few may not be quality, but I want to row to exhaustion.
Post by: De Sisti on 30 April, 2021, 02:52:24 pm
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My next session will be 10 x 500 metres, (about 30 strokes per min, 30 seconds easy rowing between each interval). The last few may not be quality, but I want to row to exhaustion.Just tried it, and it was extremely hard. It felt like a typical winter training session that I endured with the Sale Harriers 400 metre sprinting group with back in the early 80s.
Post by: woollypigs on 30 April, 2021, 03:19:37 pm
I try to start off at about 18-20 strokes for about 1000m to warm up. Then up to about 22 strokes, but I can't keep it there I just end up at about 24, where I just feel nice and comfortable and I build a bit a sweat up.
When I get to about 3500m, I just can't be arsed anymore and kinda find it boring. Then I hit 4000-4200m and I go into a rhythm that is about 24-25 strokes and I just sit there for the rest of the time.
I have done my first 10000m and I got in at 55min, which I was surprised at. So I do think I can get under 50min which at the start, was something I was sure I would never do.
Yesterday I did my first attempt on a fast 2000m and got 9m12s, this includes the warmup, I found myself going much faster than I was planning to and then thought feck it, lets go. So I think I shave about 1min on that time.
I don't do HIIT or x times of y at z speed or pushing myself to the point where I can't breathe and things hurt. I'm a pootler and cake stop kinda cyclist and now rower :)
And it seams to work as I have dropped 2.5kgs already.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 30 April, 2021, 10:17:49 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 May, 2021, 07:35:30 am
Post by: woollypigs on 23 May, 2021, 05:12:44 pm
The last time I went for 10000m I had a ~4min rest at 6000m and clocked in at 56min. Today I manged a 48min 10000m without even trying, I was just steady rowing along, not going for records.
All my rowing times includes warmup and calming the dog down after the waterrower starting up beep* and that she don't understand what the heck I'm doing on that thing.
I'm quite surprised that I managed to do this time. I think I can even get to 45min with a bit more work. This was times I was sure I would never get fast/good enough on a rowing machine.
*that beep turning on the machine is loud but not smoke alarm loud as the your are done - on time/distance - BEEEEEEEEEEEEP ala Line of Duty recording length. I have stopped using it cause you can hear it across the house and the dog goes mental and your ears nearly bleed.
Post by: De Sisti on 23 May, 2021, 05:26:27 pm
by myself):
10 x 500 metres, with 30 seconds easy rowing between intervals.
12 x 500 metres, with 30 seconds easy rowing between intervals.
8 x 1000 metres, with 60 seconds easy rowing between intervals.
Post by: mike on 24 May, 2021, 09:13:56 am
For higher intensity it's 8 or 10 x 500 at about my 2k pace, or 10 x 250 at quicker than 2k pace, either with 3 mins break if I want to nearly recover or 1 min if I want to make life hard.
We do an annual 'widowmaker' at the club
1k - 2 min rest
2 x 500m - 2 min rest
4 x 250 - 1 min rest
8 x 125 - 30 seconds rest
4 x 250 - 1 min
2 x 500 - 2 min
1 x 1k.
all at about 2k pace. It's awful.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 May, 2021, 10:04:25 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 27 May, 2021, 06:59:50 am
...... at about my 2k pace, .......quicker than 2k pace,What is this 2k pace you refer to? :-)
.......all at about 2k pace. It's awful.
[Edit: 30 strokes per minute?]
Here's today's Concept medium session:
MEDIUM
2000m, 1500m, 1000m, 500m / 3 min easy Row :
Four intervals of 2000m, 1500m, 1000m and 500m, with three minutes of rest in between each piece.
Post by: mike on 27 May, 2021, 10:01:58 am
What is this 2k pace you refer to? :-)
the split pace you average when you do 2k flat out, 100%, puking at the end, race piece. Mines about 1.50, *quite* a lot slower than it used to be :-[ (but lots better than it was six months ago! ;D)
Post by: De Sisti on 27 May, 2021, 05:16:16 pm
None of this :sick: . I attempted to stay at 30 strokes per minute (and more) as long as I
could on the intervals. A good 55 minute workout.
[Edit: Just checked and spotted that I did an extra 250m at the beginning without realising it].
Post by: woollypigs on 02 June, 2021, 11:09:41 pm
I got space between my arms and waist. Notice today while out walking when I looked that the shadow as the sun was directly behind me.
Something I haven't seen for years.
I found my power ball, these grip training gyro things. I was trying to use it while I was sick some years ago and struggled with the strength in my hands. Yesterday I spun it up and I managed a much longer session than I have ever managed.
So even with a very lose grip on the "ores" rowing build up strength on your hands.
Post by: woollypigs on 13 June, 2021, 03:30:16 pm
I'm at 8500m on Pete's plan. Friday I rowed the full distance and felt good and was thinking should I go longer or have a beer, beer won as sun was out.
Yesterday was day off, so today was I went for 10000m, nice and easy 22/m. With 3000 to go I went for it and upped to 25/m and I took 2min of my best time, which is now 46min.
I would never have expected that I would get near to 45min.
Post by: woollypigs on 22 June, 2021, 05:38:48 pm
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 23 June, 2021, 08:48:13 pm
Post by: JJ on 29 July, 2021, 06:43:29 pm
I've enjoyed that so much that I bought myself a sculling boat after a 30 year gap. Wobble wobble!
Post by: woollypigs on 29 July, 2021, 06:52:21 pm
After a few trips to the Lakes and along with some idle scrolling of the interweb's rabbit holes. I'm thinking about joining a course to build my own canoe. Spend many a summer trips in one :)
Post by: JJ on 30 July, 2021, 01:21:41 am
hehe good luck.:thumbsup:
After a few trips to the Lakes and along with some idle scrolling of the interweb's rabbit holes. I'm thinking about joining a course to build my own canoe. Spend many a summer trips in one :)
Post by: Marco Stefano on 01 August, 2021, 02:30:11 pm
Post by: mike on 01 August, 2021, 07:50:58 pm
Did I see Mike OTP driving a CUBC launch yesterday (following an eight that was apparently getting close to me, sculling the other way)?You did!
That's the crew racing at Henley in a couple of weeks. Substitute Cox tho, who is a lovely guy but not great at steering!
Post by: Marco Stefano on 03 August, 2021, 03:32:55 pm
Thought it was you as you came back past our stage. I'm just bimbling about with no race licence this year, so happy enough to pull in if required. I wish you & them well for Henley (no doubt with the regular cox who, presumably, can steer and does not drive the coach nuts). Out again this evening for me.Did I see Mike OTP driving a CUBC launch yesterday (following an eight that was apparently getting close to me, sculling the other way)?You did!
That's the crew racing at Henley in a couple of weeks. Substitute Cox tho, who is a lovely guy but not great at steering!
Post by: woollypigs on 08 August, 2021, 04:19:59 pm
Boy is it hard to hold a stead 20, I tend to climb up to 22-23spm without thinking. Even with a "slow/easy" row I still managed to come away in a need of a shower.
Post by: woollypigs on 12 August, 2021, 01:23:49 pm
But 10000m in 44m10s ain't bad for this old lump of lard.
Post by: woollypigs on 29 August, 2021, 03:31:06 pm
And I'm now a finisher of the British Rowing Online "Row the channel" Challenges* too.
/me does a little dance
This is my "stats". Tracked by a smartwatch**. I have taken a photo of the computer in the waterrower of what I have done when I could breath again.
Total rows 100
Total dist 627681
Avg dist 6277
Longest distance 13432
Total time 51:02:09
Avg time 0:30:37
Longest time 01:02:36
Avg Agv heart Rate 102***
Max avg Heart rate 133
Total move min 2780
Avg move 28
Max move 68
Calories 38280****
Avg Cal 383
Max Calories 820
Row the Channel 39806
Done 41782
Left to do -1976 (yes I rowed to far, silly me, but I was enjoying myself)
Now I got all these "numbers" in google sheet, I'm going to teach myself how to make funky graphs. Just like you see the pro's have ;)
* Looking at these Challenges, I've noticed that I would be in second place on the Row the Atlantic, if you go for my age group and rowing machine if I had joined since day one ;)
** when it works, about 6 rows it failed to record. Also heartrate on a smartwatch on the arm isn't the best when you are rowing
*** yes there is two avg's here, this is the avg taken from the smartwatch and then it's the avg off then all :)
**** yes this is silly, the smartwatch will not record a correct number. But as someone said it will give you an idea if this row was harder/easier than the other rows. I tend to round down to the nearest 100, when I try to guess how much nom I can eat in a day. This kinda works as I'm gradually losing weight.
Post by: Marco Stefano on 29 August, 2021, 08:39:55 pm
I have similar problems with a smart watch either on the erg or when sculling; too much movement for a good contact, I guess. I bought a cheap chest strap (Moofit, identical to a Wahoo) which is recognised seamlessly and works well.
I'm considering Zoom Ergos which start up again next week; one of my club colleagues was a regular earlier this year / last year and enjoyed them. Seems like several options to choose from too (steady state, intervals, stretches & other exercises, etc.).
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 01 September, 2021, 07:05:03 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 01 September, 2021, 08:44:50 pm
Just because, no team, just me.
Not sure I can join either as my computer don't have the necessary to connect to the outside.
I might give myself the upgrade for crimbo if I'm still into this rowing malarkey
Post by: woollypigs on 03 September, 2021, 04:47:48 pm
Especially if I'm "supposed" to row 10000m everyday of Sept. I put on John from RowAlong (https://www.youtube.com/c/RowAlongFreeIndoorRowingWorkouts/) and the 22spm play list from Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Rowing/comments/a44oga/the_last_erging_playlist_you_will_ever_need/)*.
I did 7000m at 22SPM and felt well, spend 30sec faffing with the music and put the 24SPM playlist on and did 10000m at 43m43s. If I who don't have any rhythm do this, there is no way I'm going to listen to Progressive Trance or what ever they tend to play in gyms or get fit videos.
I soo need to take it easy tomorrow, might have to dig up some slow jazz or reggae.
*Got a list for each speed 18-34SPM
Post by: woollypigs on 10 September, 2021, 10:36:55 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 20 September, 2021, 08:07:34 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 30 September, 2021, 09:53:00 pm
Day off tomorrow, then a gentle 1+ hour row for then a half marathon on Sunday. Then I got 3 day off and then what ?
I'm planning to row the Leeds Liverpool Canal in Dec. ~204000m over 25 days, a bit like an advent row. So write these distances down on a bit of paper, pop them into a hat, pull one out and row.
1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, day off, day off, day off, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 1 hour, 1 hour, 1 hour.
I have managed to row just over 13000m in an hour a few times before.
So I should be able to do that and also keep it "interesting" for a few more weeks.
Post by: woollypigs on 10 October, 2021, 09:24:50 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 10 October, 2021, 10:02:39 pm
a straight 10k.
Post by: De Sisti on 10 October, 2021, 10:03:58 pm
I have managed to row just over 1300m in an hour a few times before.Surely you mean 13,000m?
Post by: woollypigs on 10 October, 2021, 10:52:24 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 11 October, 2021, 09:55:05 am
Not a "shouting in your ear drill Sergeant" but a good friendly workout for any of your levels. He just uploaded videos of him doing 18/20/22/24/26 and more so you can pick your tunes (from here https://www.reddit.com/r/Rowing/comments/a44oga/the_last_erging_playlist_you_will_ever_need/) and have him row in the back ground to keep your speed/rhythm/stroke rate.
Concept 2 are organising their usual Fall Team Challenge, as many meters as possible as a team from 15th September to 15th October, which neatly coincides with me getting back on the Concept II after enjoying cycling in the summer. Any one else interested in forming a team.oops I forgot about this. So I have joined the RowAlong team and we are currently #3 ;)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 October, 2021, 09:37:14 am
Post by: woollypigs on 14 October, 2021, 01:21:14 pm
Have I now crossed something unspoken - like shimano vs campagnolo - and the world will now open up and swallow me up the next time I row?
Post by: woollypigs on 07 November, 2021, 08:51:20 pm
Oh and he pointed me toward’s Hugh Jackman and his 24 hours attempt in the support of http://24hourrow.com.au/.
I therefore did something silly last weekend 4 x half marathons, one in the am and one in the pm. Plenty of time to rest and eat between. The very last 3000m was a bit hard but I managed to watch 4 movies I've wanted to watch for a while :)
Post by: JJ on 09 November, 2021, 04:29:15 pm
Actually "in" gives entirely the wrong idea. Picture a hippopotamus riding on a bright yellow cigar, and I'm not going to get fit doing it because I just CBA to do it hard enough, or with any structure.
But it's so Zen in the autumn sunshine, trying for that elusive perfect stroke, 18 times a minute. It's just really really good for my soul. By the end of it, I was even loving the anglers and the bloke with a spliff steering his narrow-boat down the middle.
Post by: woollypigs on 09 November, 2021, 04:42:17 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 09 November, 2021, 04:45:06 pm
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Post by: L CC on 09 November, 2021, 05:05:49 pm
Now off the machine for a month. Ish.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 November, 2021, 05:10:06 pm
A few months back we got one of THESE (https://firstdegreefitness.com/shop/fluidrower/apollo-pro-xl/) which is set up in the garage. I love it although I haven't used it for a few weeks as I've had a little op on me arm. Hope to get back on it next week.
I shall keep an eye on this thread for inspiration :thumbsup:
Post by: mike on 09 November, 2021, 05:18:09 pm
8k or so down to the lock and back in the sculling boat this morning.
Actually "in" gives entirely the wrong idea. Picture a hippopotamus riding on a bright yellow cigar, and I'm not going to get fit doing it because I just CBA to do it hard enough, or with any structure.
But it's so Zen in the autumn sunshine, trying for that elusive perfect stroke, 18 times a minute. It's just really really good for my soul. By the end of it, I was even loving the anglers and the bloke with a spliff steering his narrow-boat down the middle.
:thumbsup:
Hopefully see you out there sometime soon.
Post by: L CC on 09 November, 2021, 05:21:03 pm
8k or so down to the lock and back in the sculling boat this morning.Pleased you can get some zen at the moment. Sending good thoughts.
Actually "in" gives entirely the wrong idea. Picture a hippopotamus riding on a bright yellow cigar, and I'm not going to get fit doing it because I just CBA to do it hard enough, or with any structure.
But it's so Zen in the autumn sunshine, trying for that elusive perfect stroke, 18 times a minute. It's just really really good for my soul. By the end of it, I was even loving the anglers and the bloke with a spliff steering his narrow-boat down the middle.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 November, 2021, 10:19:20 am
I think if I stay on maximum resistance, slightly increase my stroke rate and focus on a better technique I should manage it. I'm away for a couple of nights this week but might have another go on Friday morning.
Post by: woollypigs on 18 November, 2021, 07:17:12 am
I've noticed a change in my rowing*.
From: Feeling "a dread, bored, can't be asked, shall we just do a short row today" at about 2-3000m to about 5-6000m. If I manged to get over that dip, I'll get to about 9000m and starts to think - come on lad you can do it, only 1000m to go.
To: Start off, then think I must be near the halfway point, look at the 'puter to see it reads about 30min and about 7000m, keep on going and then have another look again to find that I'm over 10000m
My avg time for 10000 is about 46-48m, but I have noticed that I'm adding about 250-500m to the 10000m in that same time. Comparing a few months ago and now.
* I do 10000m each row. Put on a show or movie to row along to. I take it easy for about 2000m, aka warming up. Then slowly ramp it up, I tend to just do that, I can't seem to find a spot and stay there. Unless I follow a Rowalong video, though still struggle with following his guide, I just row. If there is wind in the bag and I feel good at about 8000m, I up the speed again. Hit 10000m and then stretch.
Post by: De Sisti on 18 November, 2021, 07:40:47 am
* I do 10000m each row. Put on a show or movie to low along to.I've never done that. I think of myself as one of Jason's Argonauts, frantically rowing to get
past the "clashing rocks".
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Symplegades%2C_illustration_for_The_Heroes.jpg)
Post by: L CC on 18 November, 2021, 02:10:46 pm
But longer before I can get back on the bike, I think.
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Post by: woollypigs on 19 November, 2021, 06:29:14 am
Post by: De Sisti on 21 November, 2021, 11:36:21 am
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Post by: De Sisti on 21 November, 2021, 11:37:51 am
I did 2000m this morning.What level do you set your rower to?
But longer before I can get back on the bike, I think.
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Post by: L CC on 21 November, 2021, 12:14:59 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 21 November, 2021, 12:44:23 pm
Post by: mike on 21 November, 2021, 08:03:36 pm
If you go into the 'utility' page (I think it is) and look for drag factor, it needs you to take a few strokes and then you can see what the resistance actually is. The norm for club rowers is 110-115 ish for women, 120-125ish for men, give or take about 10 depending on preference and how long or hard the session is.
(the ergs in my pure gym were so full of crap it was impossible to get the resistance over 100, even on 10).
Post by: L CC on 22 November, 2021, 03:24:56 pm
dust in the cage can make the actual setting on the side pretty meaningless - 10 on one can be the same as 1 on another..Last year I took it to pieces for repair. There was a fair amount of crud in there, but removing it made almost zero difference to the feel. It could certainly use some chain lube.
If you go into the 'utility' page (I think it is) and look for drag factor, it needs you to take a few strokes and then you can see what the resistance actually is. The norm for club rowers is 110-115 ish for women, 120-125ish for men, give or take about 10 depending on preference and how long or hard the session is.
(the ergs in my pure gym were so full of crap it was impossible to get the resistance over 100, even on 10).
Post by: De Sisti on 22 November, 2021, 03:54:46 pm
dust in the cage can make the actual setting on the side pretty meaningless - 10 on one can be the same as 1 on another..Really? I think you're comparing an individual's machine with another. The settings are not
meaningless, and will feel different if you have it between one and 10.
No matter. Mine is dust-free after 8 months (and over 800,000m) of use.
Post by: L CC on 25 November, 2021, 06:04:18 pm
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Post by: woollypigs on 25 November, 2021, 06:24:13 pm
I will row the Leeds Liverpool canal in a advent calendar way. So ~127 miles, 204387m split up in 25 rows picked at random out of a hat by Peli.
These are the rows: 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, 10000, Day off, Day off, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 10000, 12500, 13000, 13000, 13000, 13250, 13250, 21097 (=204097m)
If all goes well I should clock up 250000m in the holiday row along.
Post by: mike on 26 November, 2021, 05:22:52 pm
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 29 November, 2021, 09:32:08 am
It was a half-sized Sgoth (pronounced 'skol').
Winds were light, so we rowed it out of the harbour and back again later.
Keeping rhythm with the other rower was harder than I expected - they seemed to be taking much faster strokes than myself and I had trouble keeping in synch (my stroke might have been longer I guess). My dodge left hand didn't like it much and I had trouble gripping the oar.
Was fun and I look forward to having another go when the boats are out.
Post by: L CC on 29 November, 2021, 11:54:09 am
I'm in. Hit 250k last year, doubt I'll manage the same this time around because of so much else going on - 200 will be a stretch. Fun times.I'm barely able to pedal so the rowing machine is getting all the love this year.
I want that free pin, damnit. ;D
Post by: woollypigs on 29 November, 2021, 11:58:18 am
Post by: L CC on 29 November, 2021, 12:00:13 pm
Post by: L CC on 29 November, 2021, 12:03:23 pm
I rowed a boat yesterday. First time ever.Is that like these (https://crastercoastalrowingclub.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cropped-img_10131.jpg)?
It was a half-sized Sgoth (pronounced 'skol').
Winds were light, so we rowed it out of the harbour and back again later.
Keeping rhythm with the other rower was harder than I expected - they seemed to be taking much faster strokes than myself and I had trouble keeping in synch (my stroke might have been longer I guess). My dodge left hand didn't like it much and I had trouble gripping the oar.
Was fun and I look forward to having another go when the boats are out.
Post by: De Sisti on 29 November, 2021, 12:51:35 pm
I managed to get the 1mill pin and t-shirt and I'm on a waterrower, is that against the rulz ?:thumbsup:
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 29 November, 2021, 01:26:21 pm
I rowed a boat yesterday. First time ever.Is that like these (https://crastercoastalrowingclub.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cropped-img_10131.jpg)?
It was a half-sized Sgoth (pronounced 'skol').
Winds were light, so we rowed it out of the harbour and back again later.
Keeping rhythm with the other rower was harder than I expected - they seemed to be taking much faster strokes than myself and I had trouble keeping in synch (my stroke might have been longer I guess). My dodge left hand didn't like it much and I had trouble gripping the oar.
Was fun and I look forward to having another go when the boats are out.
Those are lightweight rowing skiffs.
The sgoith is a traditional fishing boat, quite a bit beamier and heavier, with the full sized version about 25-40ft. I've sailed one of those, it is hard work and needs a crew of 5.
The half-sgoith is still a fishing boat, just 17ft long. Five people on board wasn't crowded. Could be crewed with 3 at minimum, 4 is decent.
The group here have sailed the full-sized sgoith up to Orkney.
Post by: woollypigs on 07 December, 2021, 08:05:16 am
@fboab well done on hitting 100000
Post by: L CC on 07 December, 2021, 08:09:50 am
I have a cunning plan involving a pair of socks and a sewing machine. Watch this space.
Post by: De Sisti on 07 December, 2021, 08:18:56 am
Post by: L CC on 18 December, 2021, 08:46:25 am
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Post by: woollypigs on 18 December, 2021, 10:17:55 am
Since I had a 2000m row to do on this and everywhere that talks about rowing talks about "your 2000m training time", I gave it a go. Boy do I not like that kinda exercise - balls out, fighting to breathe, sweating like a waterfall. It took me a good 45min to get over this horror and I could still feel the effect of it 2 days later. So I'm not going to try out for another 2k training time ever again.
I'm a thoroughbred pootler, stop for cake activity kinda guy.
Give me a nice steady 10k row, including warm up, at around 45min, with a show on the telly box.
I've lost weight doing that and feel fitter too. No whatsoever need to HIIT* the waterrower at all.
* I see some of these HIIT and the like use the rower as a part of it. But getting on and off the rower takes time. Get comfy, feet in, check that you are sitting right, got your back and core sorted. Jump on to do 500m, jump off to do 30 of bla to then get back on to do 3x15 of this etc etc. Just asks for you to not get your position right and end up pulling something that will take weeks to get over.
Post by: De Sisti on 18 December, 2021, 03:06:07 pm
to get the t-shirt. :thumbsup:
1,002,615
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881,389
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[Edit: It has taken me 10 months to get there).
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Post by: woollypigs on 18 December, 2021, 03:07:27 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 18 December, 2021, 03:12:36 pm
\o/ free t-shirtMy younger brother (who has already gone past 5 million metres) said he had to wait six weeks for his t-shirt.
Post by: woollypigs on 18 December, 2021, 03:17:03 pm
Post by: L CC on 18 December, 2021, 05:33:38 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 18 December, 2021, 05:36:02 pm
But what about after 100mill ? ;)
Post by: L CC on 22 December, 2021, 08:26:37 am
:smug:
Post by: woollypigs on 22 December, 2021, 09:12:36 am
me too \o/
Though I still have 3 rows left in the Leeds Liverpool advent row
Post by: De Sisti on 22 December, 2021, 12:46:49 pm
T-shirt and 1-million-metre pin are on their way to me.\o/ free t-shirtMy younger brother (who has already gone past 5 million metres) said he had to wait six weeks for his t-shirt.
Post by: L CC on 22 December, 2021, 12:57:47 pm
Enough of us putting in the metres to be worth doing the Virtual Team Challenge?
Post by: L CC on 22 December, 2021, 01:34:27 pm
https://log.concept2.com/challenges/vtc
Post by: woollypigs on 22 December, 2021, 02:22:03 pm
Post by: L CC on 23 December, 2021, 08:55:22 am
Post by: De Sisti on 23 December, 2021, 08:27:08 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51769325027_89b2b1d2da.jpg)
Post by: woollypigs on 23 December, 2021, 11:07:29 pm
The XL is clearly 'murikan XL
Post by: L CC on 24 December, 2021, 09:03:53 am
(Mine is a nightie)
Post by: De Sisti on 24 December, 2021, 10:33:11 am
Post by: woollypigs on 24 December, 2021, 05:36:43 pm
Joining in the winter "fun" by doing 10000m every day in Jan, it's something to do :)
Post by: woollypigs on 01 January, 2022, 04:31:59 pm
It's now on ice and if I don't get any complaints from it. I think I still partake in a row a day for Jan, albeit slow and steady.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 January, 2022, 07:58:15 am
Post by: woollypigs on 06 January, 2022, 12:03:58 am
If I row 500m extra every day for the rest of this month, I would clock up 2 million!!
I'm pretty chuffed about that.
I wasn't even thinking I would get past a million. When I started back in March last year.
Post by: John Stonebridge on 06 January, 2022, 10:55:54 am
I started up again just before Christmas, setting myself an objective to build up gradually from 500m (2 mins) to 5km (20 mins) stepping up by 250m each time but only proceeding to the next distance if my average speed is around 2.00 / 500m (I get to decide the definition of "around" :demon:).
I've just ticked off 1km in 4.04.
Boy its difficult! Probably stating the obvious to you seasoned rowers but it really does reward technique over effort much more than the cycling equivalent.
Post by: L CC on 07 January, 2022, 08:52:30 am
I row my running avatar on zwift and do running workouts. It seems that when rowing the difference between 'piece of piss I can do this all day' and 'oOMG killmenow I can't breathe' is much smaller than for runners.
I can't do 2 minute splits for more than, oo, 1 minute?
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 January, 2022, 04:32:46 pm
Yes.
I row my running avatar on zwift and do running workouts. It seems that when rowing the difference between 'piece of piss I can do this all day' and 'oOMG killmenow I can't breathe' is much smaller than for runners.
I can't do 2 minute splits for more than, oo, 1 minute?
I've noticed that. My rowing time for a specific distance (5000m, 10000m etc) is much closer (proportionately) to the world record than it is for cycling (e.g. 100 mile TT) or for running (10k, marathon). But I would rate myself as a cyclist first, the other two are just for 'fun'. Or perhaps I've just missed out on my best sport (unlikely). So I'd come to the same conclusion - that a proportional improvement on an Ergo is much harder.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 January, 2022, 05:24:21 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 11 January, 2022, 10:36:26 pm
If I row 9243.3m every day for the rest of the month, I will get to my target of 300000m in a month.
If I row 10408.3m every day for the rest of the month, I will get to 2 million metres rowed by the end of the month.
If I row 8134.9m every day for the rest of the season, I will get to 2.5 million meters rowed in a season.
The two first targets should be easy to do. The last one might not be possible, life got plans away from the rower. But if I crank some extra metres in this month and put in a few half marathons before season end. I'm sure I can make up for the none rowing days.
Which is blowing my mind, I never expected that I would enjoy this much and be able to clock in this amount of metres.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 January, 2022, 09:00:42 pm
Post by: JJ on 19 January, 2022, 04:27:50 pm
I now know that I am slow, as in time yourself with a calendar slow.
Ah well!
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 20 January, 2022, 08:57:03 am
On Sunday I took part in my first race in a single scull since 1993 (For any Concept2-only rowers, a single scull is very similar but with the added possibility of falling in).
I now know that I am slow, as in time yourself with a calendar slow.
Ah well!
Well done for getting out on the water. I know about slow. On our club annual hill climb I always ask the timekeeper if the hour hand on their watch is working.
Meanwhile, have got over 10 hours into the 15-hour Concept 2 January haul, courtesy of 25k today, which I managed to do in pretty much level 5k splits :smug:
Post by: JJ on 20 January, 2022, 10:07:30 am
Meanwhile, have got over 10 hours into the 15-hour Concept 2 January haul, courtesy of 25k today, which I managed to do in pretty much level 5k splits :smug:
Good job! 25k takes some proper mental focus
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 January, 2022, 09:42:04 am
Post by: woollypigs on 29 January, 2022, 06:31:07 pm
I just passed 2 million life time meters, just how did I do that. Done with a half marathon where I cut a minute of my previous best time !
Never thought that I would get so into this rowing malarkey. Now a week off then there is the 2 million in a season target to go for, I should be able to do that 175000m in 3 months ;)
Post by: L CC on 03 February, 2022, 10:51:45 am
We've just started a work challenge - best 1km time. Loser buys the Fat Friday Chinese for the team.
I'm not doing well at all. 4:45. Winner is sitting at 3:49. It was his second day rowing. :facepalm:
Post by: De Sisti on 03 February, 2022, 01:48:00 pm
(or whatever machine you're using)? I still haven't worked out where they come from.
Post by: L CC on 03 February, 2022, 02:01:34 pm
I think it's just dust picked up from the length of the track and concentrated on to the (softer surface of) the rollers.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 06 February, 2022, 06:00:28 pm
Crushed souls of your competitors?
I think it's just dust picked up from the length of the track and concentrated on to the (softer surface of) the rollers.
Pretty much this. My son, who went to a school where they row seriously, says that they also clean slides and rollers fastidiously as this adds little bits of friction, which slow you down. I'm not sure if that's a placebo or not, but I've made sure that I've done it if I'm going for a fast time on a big row.
Post by: woollypigs on 06 February, 2022, 06:06:42 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 07 February, 2022, 07:55:41 am
I often run a baby wipe down my tracks, clearly dog hair and dust.I also use do the same.
Post by: woollypigs on 14 February, 2022, 01:24:43 pm
I normally just row my own thing, while I watch Rowalong YouTube video or a TV show.
The first 2-3000m warming up, then find a good rhythm sit at that to 7000m. If I get under 32min I know it's a good day and I might speed up a bit. If over 32min I will just take it steady for the rest of the 10000m, that I tend to hit at about 44-45min mark. If I feel good then, I might continue to 1 hour, nice and easy.
This last video I decided to follow it to the letter. 18, 20, 22 strokes I couldn't slow my recovery enough to follow, so I kept getting out of sync. When the rate hit 24 and more strokes I was in perfect sync.
Near the end I looked down on the 'puter and I had passed 6000m at ~25min and 7000m rolled in at ~29min, a full 3min faster than my "standard/normal" time.
I still felt like there were a bit more in the tank. But I stopped because this was a Lunch Time row and only so long.
I think I might be able to get sub 40m 10k, if I do a few of these and time my food intake right. Not bad from thinking that I would struggle to get under an hour let alone a sub 50min.
Post by: De Sisti on 14 February, 2022, 02:46:31 pm
I normally just row my own thing, while I watch Rowalong YouTube video or a TV show.Does the noise of your machine and fan not interfere with your listening to the commentary of
the YouTube video or tv show?
Post by: L CC on 14 February, 2022, 02:49:28 pm
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 February, 2022, 02:57:26 pm
Headphones and subtitles is what I do.
Aftershokz headphones is very good :thumbsup:
Post by: De Sisti on 14 February, 2022, 02:57:48 pm
Post by: L CC on 14 February, 2022, 02:59:07 pm
Post by: woollypigs on 14 February, 2022, 04:16:29 pm
That's why I got the waterrower :)I normally just row my own thing, while I watch Rowalong YouTube video or a TV show.Does the noise of your machine and fan not interfere with your listening to the commentary of
the YouTube video or tv show?
I heard the C2 LOUD noise and said nope, not having that. With ear pods, I just about hear the water and rail over the sound of the TV. And I don't need to crank it up to 11 to cover the rowing noise.
Oh here's my 6 month review after 6 month use, written last August https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/
Post by: De Sisti on 14 February, 2022, 04:36:33 pm
Oh here's my 6 month review after 6 month use, written last August https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/ (https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/)Doesn't sound
you paid for your rower?
Post by: woollypigs on 14 February, 2022, 05:11:31 pm
No didn't do anything to the levels or quality. Here's a good comparison on the various sound/rowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedBwDs7XH8 The waterrower is just more pleasant and gentle to my ears, where the C2 just sounds horrid and would drive me up the wall.Oh here's my 6 month review after 6 month use, written last August https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/ (https://woollypigs.com/2021/08/indoor-rowing-with-waterrower-a1/)Doesn't soundany less loudermuch quieter than my RowErg. Did you deliberately omit how much
you paid for your rower?
EDIT: that recording you find on my review is from a contract microphone on the water tank, not the ambient room sound. So the link above is better to compare and listen to how a warerrower sounds.
I paid £849 https://www.waterrower.co.uk/waterrower-a1-studio-rowing-machine
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 February, 2022, 11:16:20 am
Post by: De Sisti on 16 February, 2022, 11:32:41 am
Have you been able to benchmark your performance across different types of rower? I used a water-rower in a gym and was able to get a sub-7 2k, which I've never been able to do on a Concept2 and never willSoft water area? :-)
Seriously though, the same issue (@11:57) was mentioned in this detailed comparison of the two machines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbkbDJyTnng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbkbDJyTnng)
Post by: De Sisti on 16 February, 2022, 11:36:05 am
I paid £849 https://www.waterrower.co.uk/waterrower-a1-studio-rowing-machine (https://www.waterrower.co.uk/waterrower-a1-studio-rowing-machine)My concept 2 rower cost £865. Though I did have to wait four months for it (regularly receiving
emails asking me if I still wanted to stay on the waiting list).
Post by: woollypigs on 16 February, 2022, 01:06:42 pm
I see that the general difference between warerrower and C2 is about 10% in favour of the warerrower. As in better time and distance for the same row. So that explains why you can't get the same times on C2.
I rowed on a C2 about 15 years ago and all I remember is the noise and that I enjoyed rowing on a machine.
With an upgrade to a smartrower computer you should get even more accurate information on the warerrower when comparing to rowing on water. From what I understand/read this computer is much better than the S4 on warerrower and the PM5 on C2, when it comes to numbers watt, stroke, rate etc.
When I have faffed around on water in a plastic dingy or canoe. I take a stroke and I keep flowing in that general direction. With the warerrower, you do a stroke and the water wheel spins and the computer counts as you "float" along. So not counting that "float" is wrong to me.
Post by: woollypigs on 16 February, 2022, 01:19:13 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 16 February, 2022, 01:45:22 pm
How often do you put tablets in to purify the water, and do you vary the resistance, by adding
reducing the amount of water in the tank?
Post by: L CC on 16 February, 2022, 01:47:24 pm
From what I understand/read this computer is much better than the S4 on warerrower and the PM5 on C2, when it comes to numbers watt, stroke, rate etc.I use the ErgData app (https://www.concept2.com/service/software/ergdata) which gives more information than the PM5 does natively.
When I have faffed around on water in a plastic dingy or canoe. I take a stroke and I keep flowing in that general direction. With the warerrower, you do a stroke and the water wheel spins and the computer counts as you "float" along. So not counting that "float" is wrong to me.Equally, on the C2, the erg flywheel runs on as you return. They're much the same as far as that is concerned- waterrower just uses water for resistance rather than air and fan blades.
Post by: De Sisti on 16 February, 2022, 01:50:42 pm
I use the ErgData app (https://www.concept2.com/service/software/ergdata) which gives more information than the PM5 does natively.Me too, and I upload the workouts to my Concept2 logbook. (https://log.concept2.com/login)
Post by: woollypigs on 16 February, 2022, 05:24:16 pm
When (if) you store your water-rower upright, do you empty the water tank?No the water stays in there just fine when standing up. They sell a blue colour you can add to the water. I have been thinking about some gold fish ... ;)
How often do you put tablets in to purify the water, and do you vary the resistance, by adding
reducing the amount of water in the tank?
I had it for nearly a year and haven't added anymore tablets bar the first one I put in. From what I read if it gets direct sunlight you might need to do so more often.
Yes to vary the resistance you need to add or remove water. I filled it to about the calibration marker (17 litres) for the first 2 months. Then I filled it to the max 19 litres and haven't touched it since, caused I felt it was a bit to light. But what waterrower is good for, as I understand it, is the strength/resistance is more fluid, as in you get what you put in.
This is from their manual :
Quote
RESISTANCE SETTINGS
The WaterRower is unique in using the effect of drag to provide an exercise which is entirely self paced.
Because drag is linked to speed, a crew rowing down a river chooses its intensity of exercise simply by altering
the pace at which they row: the faster the boat travels the greater the drag and the harder the crew must work.
This is a similar effect to swimming.
By replicating these dynamics the WaterRower does not require adjustment to increase resistance: if a more
intensive workout is required, simply row faster and harder, and the WaterRower will respond accordingly.
WATER LEVEL
The amount of water in the tank simulates the weight of the boat and crew as it glides down the river. Changing
the water level does not change the resistance, it simply changes the mass which the user is trying to move.
Increasing the water level simulates a heavier boat and crew mass, similarly reducing the water level
simulates a lighter boat and crew mass.
The water level is adjusted according to one’s personal preference or user type; the intensity of course is
altered simply by moving the chosen mass faster or slower. A level gauge is positioned on the tank just below
the computer. Typical settings are:
Children 12-14 liters
Women 14-16 liters
Athletes 16-18 liters
NOTE- Fill the tank with ordinary municipal water. Municipal water contains additives which will deter algae
growth. Distilled or purified water has had these additives removed, promoting algae growth, and should
therefore be avoided. (Refer to the section on Periodic Maintenance for advice on water treatment). Should
the environment in which the WaterRower is stored be subject to freezing, we recommend adding alchohol to
the water.
Post by: woollypigs on 04 March, 2022, 01:06:18 pm
Now I can see my splits and spm over the whole row. I noticed that my splits are more even when I row my own things. When rowing to Uncle john* I'm all over the place like a yo-yo :)
There's few options for races: against everyone who have done X distance today, against anyone who is in your time/weight/age group (of all time), against your friends at a time you set up (others can join too), against your own best time. Also you can set up a split (carrot) to row against/with.
This will totally kill me, I gotta set up a limit to only "race" once a week. I have already set a new PB with one these races.
*Uncle John's 24spm video on youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGVCp0Nce64
Post by: woollypigs on 01 April, 2022, 02:32:34 pm
Easy 10000 tomorrow and then it's the boat race on Sunday. I wonder how much different it would be after a year, where I had only rowed 10 times beforehand.
Last year I managed on the women's race to row 4813m and in the male race I rowed 3411m, the same time they rowed 4890m. Oh and because there were some faff at the start of the women race, I ended up with a five minutes head start.
Post by: woollypigs on 03 April, 2022, 09:14:55 pm
This year they rowed 6800'ish metres. I rowed both at a hard'ish tempo that I'm comfortable with.
The woman's race I did : 18m30s and 4387m, 26spm
The men's race I did : 16:44 and 4025m, 27spm
I wouldn't have been able to do this a year ago. It was fun to row along with them, even though I tend to do nice and steady 10km's rows, not into that racing malarkey.
I tried at one point to follow the ladies stroke rate and the result was : youwhatnow!!! I saw they had about 35-36 at one point, I'm sure that's when they were "taking it easy" and not any sprinting.
Post by: mike on 04 April, 2022, 03:02:23 pm
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 April, 2022, 03:07:54 pm
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
How cool it that!?! Like you say, what a thing to be part of :thumbsup:
Post by: Marco Stefano on 04 April, 2022, 03:16:13 pm
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Congratulations, Mike, & well done CUBC women. :thumbsup: It's been rather quiet on the water in Ely in the last couple of weeks...
Post by: mike on 04 April, 2022, 03:35:46 pm
Hell of a day yesterday. I spent most of the last week in London helping cambridge get ready and then was in a launch following the reserve women's race (we won that too - so cambridge won all 3 women's races, the lightweights won by something like 15 lengths a couple of weeks ago). I've been very lucky to be part of it.
Congratulations, Mike, & well done CUBC women. :thumbsup: It's been rather quiet on the water in Ely in the last couple of weeks...
thank you! make the most of the flat water, the chaos restarts next weekend! Lots of triallists for us to weed through...
Post by: Marco Stefano on 06 April, 2022, 12:17:46 pm
thank you! make the most of the flat water, the chaos restarts next weekend! Lots of triallists for us to weed through...
<dons orange anti-Cambridge hat and top>
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 28 April, 2022, 07:02:21 pm
Not a racing shell, but a racing skiff; a St Ayles skiff. Four plus Cox.
Absolutely lovely boat, based on Shetland fishing boats. We bimbled out of Stornoway harbour, mostly, on a lovely sunny day. Surprised me with how quick it was; we were surfing waves back.
I think I'll do a bit more of this. There is a club in Stornoway, plus an informal group who have their own boats. Racing is semi-serious (meaning that crews actually do some training). The St Ayles skiff world champs have been held in Ullapool, with people coming from the USA, Australia and NZ.
Post by: mike on 25 July, 2022, 01:52:16 pm
The consistency and accuracy is just staggering, they waste no energy, miss nothing at the catch and every stroke is the same - regardless of rate, weather, steering.. it's just the same, every stroke, for 90 minutes. And so quiet! No wash at the finish, no splashing about on the recovery, beautiful to see.
and they're nice people too, dammit. Inspirational stuff!!
Post by: Marco Stefano on 30 September, 2022, 03:01:10 pm
Surprising how lumpy the water can be made by a good pair rowing past (and putting about 5 times the power into the water as I was... :-[).
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 24 November, 2022, 07:26:32 am
Post by: L CC on 24 November, 2022, 09:22:22 am
8400 this morning before work
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 06 December, 2022, 12:27:20 pm
Post by: L CC on 21 December, 2022, 10:18:14 am
GN: A straightforward fix
BN: I will not get the 200k - no time left
GN: It will be super smooth when it's fixed.
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on 23 December, 2022, 12:16:16 pm
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
Post by: De Sisti on 23 December, 2022, 04:09:31 pm
I guess those doing the C2 Holiday Challenge are rowing at some sort of endurance pace, rather like when riding an audax. When I used a C2 regularly in a gym a few years ago I recall 2:10/500m pace as feeling like something I could do all day (although the longest time I rowed was about 30mins) and anything under 2:00/500m was considerably more difficult and not sustainable beyond 2000m.Depends on what session I undertake. 12 x 500m will be different to, say, 4 x 2000m or 3 x 13 mins.
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 23 December, 2022, 09:58:53 pm
I guess those doing the C2 Holiday Challenge are rowing at some sort of endurance pace, rather like when riding an audax. When I used a C2 regularly in a gym a few years ago I recall 2:10/500m pace as feeling like something I could do all day (although the longest time I rowed was about 30mins) and anything under 2:00/500m was considerably more difficult and not sustainable beyond 2000m.
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
When I row on the C2, it is mostly endurance pace, typically 5000m+. I find that I can sustain a pace up to about an hour, but after that fatigue seems to have a progressive effect. C2 website allows you to rank 5000m, 10000m, half-marathon, and marathon rows, and I found that I was in the same percentile (roughly) for each of these - perhaps 10000m was my best distance - but that might be because only the really serious distance rowers get to 42,195m, so this benchmark would be a different community.
Post by: Jakob on 25 December, 2022, 02:50:24 am
Not trying too hard, partly because I know I'm very unfit, but at least get some benchmarks:
2000m : 9:18
A few minutes break and then
500m : 1:48
(I had almost forgotten how much these sucked)
Forgot my fitbit again, so have no idea of heartrate, but I had more left.
Once the gym re-opens after Xmas, the plan is at least 2k per day. It's not a lot, but I want to do *something* everyday and this should be an achievable target. Gym is like a 3 minute drive away. (And yes, in -30C , I drive even that short distance).
Post by: Jakob on 27 December, 2022, 01:40:14 am
Post by: L CC on 03 January, 2023, 02:23:39 pm
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?
I row at 2:30 splits because I am short fat and old. I can row for 2 or 3 hours at that though, with an interesting enough film to watch.
Post by: woollypigs on 03 January, 2023, 05:25:52 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 03 January, 2023, 05:35:20 pm
If you don't have the space there's now this - https://launch.myrowbro.com/ (https://launch.myrowbro.com/) a portable rowerNo information on price.
Post by: De Sisti on 03 January, 2023, 05:37:55 pm
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?It would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
Post by: Jakob on 05 January, 2023, 05:26:52 am
5K benchmark of 23:55.1 which gives a 2:23.5 split
Plan is to do alternate days of 5k and then 2k + as many 500m sprints as I can handle. (probably only 1 or 2 right now).
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 January, 2023, 06:37:49 pm
I'm interested in what what an endurance pace is for those YACFers doing the challenge. Or maybe my assumption of it being rowed at an endurance pace is incorrect?It would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
I row at resistance level 5 as I was told (whether that is correct or not) that this most naturally simulated rowing on the water (not that I have ever done that - for which my son, who went to a school that did - looks down on me and will do so forever). I have also been told (not that I have experimented) that the 'resistance' level is more about altering the work that needs to be done between the upper body and lower body. Certainly, when I went to gyms, I would often be next to someone with upper body strength who would whack the resistance up to 10, blast for about a minute and then look across at skinny (upper body) me and be puzzled by the fact that I was recording a time as quick as theirs without apparently breaking sweat.
I'd been more interested at stroke rates - mine for anything over 2k settles at 25. It might up to 26 as I get fatigued - say for the last 10 minutes of an hour when i am starting to struggle to keep to my pace at stroke rate 25 - and it might go as high as 30 when I'm sprinting the last 300 metres. This might be me making the most of 189cm height or I might be missing a trick.
Post by: De Sisti on 05 January, 2023, 06:46:35 pm
The online videos I looked before start to row, my younger brother's experience and a youngIt would also be interesting to know what resistance level we row at?
I row at resistance level 5 as I was told (whether that is correct or not) that this most naturally simulated rowing on the water (not that I have ever done that - for which my son, who went to a school that did - looks down on me and will do so forever). I have also been told (not that I have experimented) that the 'resistance' level is more about altering the work that needs to be done between the upper body and lower body. Certainly, when I went to gyms, I would often be next to someone with upper body strength who would whack the resistance up to 10, blast for about a minute and then look across at skinny (upper body) me and be puzzled by the fact that I was recording a time as quick as theirs without apparently breaking sweat.
I'd been more interested at stroke rates - mine for anything over 2k settles at 25. It might up to 26 as I get fatigued - say for the last 10 minutes of an hour when i am starting to struggle to keep to my pace at stroke rate 25 - and it might go as high as 30 when I'm sprinting the last 300 metres. This might be me making the most of 189cm height or I might be missing a trick.
woman in our cycling club who was on the cusp of the GB suggest between 3 - 5. I've been told
that members of the GB team row at a resistance level of 3 (as it was more akin to rowing on water).
[Edit: Bonnie and colleagues used level 4 for endurance and level 8 for hard punishing sessions.
She rowed for her uni. I will find out from Briony (who trained with Team GB) what level she used.
This is for my curiosity].
Post by: Jakob on 06 January, 2023, 12:45:05 am
Stroke rate, we always got told to keep it around 20-22, but I will occasionally drop to ~18.
I usually have a strong pull and then a slow recovery
Post by: Jakob on 06 January, 2023, 05:10:31 am
Knee was complaining on the last 500 meters, so no 500m sprint afterwards.
This also felt like close to max effort all the way through.
Post by: mike on 06 January, 2023, 08:13:22 am
to check what resistance you're really working at, go into 'more options', then 'view drag factor' and take a couple of strokes until you get a number, it should be somewhere between 80 and 200.
Most club rowers will go for about 100-110 (women) and 115-125 (men). Go lower if you're less experienced, it's slightly more technically difficult* but it'll be **much** less likely to cause injuries on longer sessions.
* - you need to make sure you're just using your legs in the first part of the stroke. If you try and use your body or arms too early then it'll make it more difficult to generate enough power.
Post by: L CC on 06 January, 2023, 08:18:22 am
Stroke rate: I've also read that 22 ish is what I should be aiming for, for endurance. I sit at about 25 (see 'short' above')
I have also been told (not that I have experimented) that the 'resistance' level is more about altering the work that needs to be done between the upper body and lower body. Certainly, when I went to gyms, I would often be next to someone with upper body strength who would whack the resistance up to 10, blast for about a minute and then look across at skinny (upper body) me and be puzzled by the fact that I was recording a time as quick as theirs without apparently breaking sweat.
I've also had this. Women thrashing on a machine at a ridiculous stroke rate with splits lower than mine. Technique doesn't have to be perfect to make a massive difference.
ETA: Wot mike said ;D
Post by: De Sisti on 06 January, 2023, 07:24:50 pm
resistance level is very machine-dependent - level 10 on a badly maintained machine can be easier than level 2 on a new one because the fan casing fills up with dust and the fan doesn't slow down as much between strokes. If it's your machine, it's worth hoovering the cage out every year or so.
to check what resistance you're really working at, go into 'more options', then 'view drag factor' and take a couple of strokes until you get a number, it should be somewhere between 80 and 200.
Most club rowers will go for about 100-110 (women) and 115-125 (men). Go lower if you're less experienced, it's slightly more technically difficult* but it'll be **much** less likely to cause injuries on longer sessions.
* - you need to make sure you're just using your legs in the first part of the stroke. If you try and use your body or arms too early then it'll make it more difficult to generate enough power.
Resistance level 3.5 = drag factor 106
Resistance level 4 = drag factor 115
Post by: Jakob on 11 January, 2023, 03:24:31 am
Average 500m 2:14.6
Last 1500meters or so, I was trying to see how far I could push it without blowing up and ended up at ~ 2:10.
I don't do much warm up, but maybe I should. I started out at 2:24 or so and it felt hard.
I am, however, really feeling this workout today.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 March, 2023, 06:24:58 pm
Thankfully, even with injured shoulder, I can row.
OMg I'm so unfit. Maintaining under 2:15 per 500m over 2km felt quite hard. Going under a 2min pace at all seemed difficult.
I used to be able to do under 2min for 500m in a kayak, in shallow water!
Either the machine calibration is out or I'm a slug. Probably the latter.
I didn't realise there was a level setting so no idea what that was on.
Post by: mike on 24 March, 2023, 05:50:22 pm
None of the crews are exceptional this year, not like last years Oxford men and Cambridge women - all the best
Post by: Marco Stefano on 26 March, 2023, 08:02:43 pm
In all the times those rowers have passed me on the river I have never noticed how energetic the stroke of the 5 seat was (it's almost like I was concentrating, or something); they certainly left it all out there. Congratulations!
Post by: mike on 27 March, 2023, 02:43:08 pm
Post by: L CC on 10 May, 2023, 08:23:59 am
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 October, 2023, 09:29:01 am
https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060 (https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060)
Looks to me to be a straight copy of a Waterrow, with slightly more limited electronics.
I'm troubled by the lack of reviews. The ones on the company site are all 5 star, and from new rowers, which makes me twitch.
On second viewing, despite the name, this is a chinese company. Probably more risky than ordering from Ali baba.
Post by: De Sisti on 17 October, 2023, 10:29:57 am
I found what looks like a bargain water row machine (Mrs C favours a water row over air because of appearance).Here is a used Concept2 rower that you could consider:
https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060 (https://czfitness.co.uk/products/water-rowing-machine-for-sale-home-use-workout?VariantsId=10060)
Looks to me to be a straight copy of a Waterrow, with slightly more limited electronics.
I'm troubled by the lack of reviews. The ones on the company site are all 5 star, and from new rowers, which makes me twitch.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1737647710?iid=134768496674 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1737647710?iid=134768496674)
Post by: L CC on 17 October, 2023, 01:07:06 pm
(Sweeping generalisation, but everything else I've seen, including in some gyms ::-) can only be described as an erg shaped object)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 October, 2023, 01:31:08 pm
Anything other than a Concept2 or a genuine WaterRower is probably a waste of money.The more research I do, the more that seems to be the case. There are good alternatives (nordictrack, for example), but they are a very similar price.
(Sweeping generalisation, but everything else I've seen, including in some gyms ::-) can only be described as an erg shaped object)
Quite a few decent magnetic machines, but the other user of the rower has major joint problems. The way that magnetic machines load the user would seem to be a bad idea for someone like that.
I like the idea of a water rower, and the Xterra Fitness ERG600W is an affordable machine. Doesn't have the aesthetics that MrsC would like. Something I'm reading on review after review is that if you are a heavy user, don't buy cheap. Guess it is like bicycles in that respect.
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 October, 2023, 01:34:47 pm
I don't use it as much as I should, it then to go in fits and starts, there hasn't been a start for some time, but it's been great when I have used it.
Post by: L CC on 17 October, 2023, 01:41:51 pm
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 October, 2023, 01:55:38 pm
Mr Smith's Concept2 came to me with him (as it were) and was second hand when he got it. I doubt very much Oscar's Dad's rower will last 20 years / many million metres.
Given the amount of use it gets I suspect it will last a very long time ;D I should probably set myself the task of wearing it out through sustained use!
We bought it shortly after lockdown when Concept rowers were very hard to find and will concede that Concept rowers are probably the gold standard, not that I know much about these things.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 17 October, 2023, 02:16:24 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 17 October, 2023, 02:34:32 pm
We bought a Concept II in 2010. It does sit idle a lot of the time, and then gets more intensive use when the weather gets bad. It continues to operate reliably, with just a little bit of TLC for the chain.Oil it every 50k metres or so.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 06 November, 2023, 05:51:45 pm
We bought a Concept II in 2010. It does sit idle a lot of the time, and then gets more intensive use when the weather gets bad. It continues to operate reliably, with just a little bit of TLC for the chain.Oil it every 50k metres or so.
First use in many months today. Gave the chain a light oil. No issues. I do need to clean the slide. I am struggling to get my head around much rowing at the moment - so I suspect that it will just be my 10 minute warm-up session before weights for a while. But was pleased that I was at 2650m for 10 minutes, which suggests that PBP cycling fitness translates OK to rowing.
Post by: De Sisti on 10 November, 2023, 02:36:42 pm
2,000,711
LIFETIME METERS
216,327
SEASON METERS
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 03 January, 2024, 10:36:56 am
Trying to be a good boy and not overload joints, so sticking to 30min, 3 times a week. (plus 5min warmup)
Normally do 6500m or so, in each session. Goal is 7500m in 30 min by summer.
The rower is stuck in the 'guest' bedroom atm, so a bit of a boring place to row.
I bought the bluetooth connection module and wish I hadn't, since it seems flaky, doesn't maintain connection.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 January, 2024, 03:39:57 pm
I had 2 weeks of use of my waterrower before going away for christmas.In week 4 now. Total of 10 sessions (stopped while I was away over christmas).
Trying to be a good boy and not overload joints, so sticking to 30min, 3 times a week. (plus 5min warmup)
Normally do 6500m or so, in each session. Goal is 7500m in 30 min by summer.
The rower is stuck in the 'guest' bedroom atm, so a bit of a boring place to row.
I bought the bluetooth connection module and wish I hadn't, since it seems flaky, doesn't maintain connection.
Passed 7000m in 30min last night. Was giving it my all towards the end, just hanging on.