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mattc

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #575 on: 04 July, 2011, 03:49:57 pm »
Top tip for avoiding bone and joint grief = run on grass while you build up your strength - it's a lot easier on the joints than running on roads.

Having read the same thing, when I re-started running, I actually found the opposite was true.

I found the uneven footing and effort of stabilising my feet running on grass in the park was much more wearing on the ankles and uncomfortable on the knees than running on the smooth flat tarmac of the path round park.

If they're not used to it, your legs won't thank you at first. But - in theory - overall wear should be much less on the softer surface.  People say they can tell the difference between tarmac and concrete in this respect. And running on that uneven surface will strengthen all the lidl balance muscles, making you less injury-prone in the long run.

Until you turn an ankle on a divet.
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Flying_Monkey

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #576 on: 05 July, 2011, 06:41:32 pm »
5th (out of 90 odd) in my local 10k on Sunday. It was an extraordinarily hot and humid day so no-one was running PBs, and also considering this was only a week after I'd done 18 hours of non-stop triathlon and had to pull out with knee problems, I was quite happy with 43.00 minutes dead.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #577 on: 06 July, 2011, 08:50:27 pm »
Added a few hundred metres to tonight's second outing - more in search of better pavements than anything - and felt pretty comfortable - seems to be all about controlling the pace to let my breathing keep up. 3.2 km - forgot to time it  ::-)

I need to rejig the route again - woeful footpaths with lots of roots pushing up in some parts - might find a 5 km loop and get used to it for a few weeks.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #578 on: 15 July, 2011, 03:37:32 pm »
Last year my personal Trainer got me running until I damaged my hamstrings. The physio asked why I was running. It does nothing for cyclists
O'LEL what have I done!

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #579 on: 15 July, 2011, 04:26:46 pm »
Last year my personal Trainer got me running until I damaged my hamstrings. The physio asked why I was running. It does nothing for cyclists
It makes them better runners.
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Jakob

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #580 on: 12 September, 2011, 10:13:11 pm »
Has anyone here done any 'barefoot' running? I've just picked up a pair of Vibram Fivefingers shoes and will also use them for running. (although we rarely run more than 800meters at a time).
 I am already somewhat used to running in bare feet, as we run/jog as part of our kendo warm-up and although it's short (and indoors), we still have to land on the front part of the foot.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #581 on: 12 September, 2011, 10:16:58 pm »
Land on the FRONT part of the foot???

Jakob

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #582 on: 13 September, 2011, 01:12:23 am »
Land on the FRONT part of the foot???

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #583 on: 13 September, 2011, 12:13:36 pm »
Has anyone here done any 'barefoot' running?
This was a hot topic back in ... err hang on... Feb 2010 on this very thread!

(and going by web forums and people I meet, the idea isn't going away)
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Jakob

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #584 on: 13 September, 2011, 05:24:38 pm »
Has anyone here done any 'barefoot' running?
This was a hot topic back in ... err hang on... Feb 2010 on this very thread!

(and going by web forums and people I meet, the idea isn't going away)

Aha!. Well, apologies for not reading all 40 pages first :). It's unlikely that I'll every run much beyond 2.4k (Longest distance we usually run in Crossfit).
 Andy, are you still at it in the vff's?

Jakob

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #585 on: 15 September, 2011, 04:25:30 am »
Haha..bailed out of the vff's today when I realized that todays workout included 4x800m running (with other stuff inbetween). I may actually have to do some running outside the gym (gasp!) to get used to these.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #586 on: 26 September, 2011, 11:10:35 am »
Back to the treadmill again today. Ugh. At least I can start again at just 20 minutes at 10.5kph.

I predict DOMS tomorrow although I'll try to ward it off with lots of stretching before/after.

My plan (once again) is to build up to running to/from work once a week (10.5km each way).
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #587 on: 26 September, 2011, 04:05:00 pm »
Ugh, but at least my HR was lower than it was back in March (last time I was regularly using the work treadmill).
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #588 on: 26 September, 2011, 04:56:19 pm »
Compression calf guards made a big difference to DOMS for me.  Am trying to run 3 times / week and (touch wood), all good so far .

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #589 on: 09 October, 2011, 07:31:33 pm »
A first and a second for me this weekend:

First Parkrun (Wormwood Scrubs, which is only a little one!)

Second proper run (other than little jogs to the shops) in my Merrell Barefoots. (feet?)

The soles of the Merrells are made by Vibram but you don't get the toes thing - I am really liking them so far.  My calves have recovered a lot quicker than after my 6km gentle run 2 weeks ago.  I could become a convert to this barefoot thing and I rather like the Parkrun idea, which I've only just discovered. 
Peter

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #590 on: 09 October, 2011, 07:35:22 pm »
And on a somewhat different sub-topic:

For those who say the Cross training doesn't work, I did the 105km ride of the falling leaves last weekend, with my only training on the bike being my 10km commute and a couple of 20km extensions to it in 6 weeks, the only other ride this year being 45 km.  However, I've been keeping the running going with a 7-10km run at least once a week. 

I kept up with the faster riders until the hills kicked in, then waited for my supposedly more cycling fit friend and dragged him round the rest of the course, feeling that I could have easily knocked 15 mins off my time.  I felt rather better than I had a right to, given how little time I've spent on the bike.  So Cross training works for me, but then I'm not training particularly hard at any one discipline. 
Peter

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #591 on: 10 October, 2011, 10:46:56 am »
For those who say the Cross training doesn't work, I did the 105km ride of the falling leaves last weekend, with my only training on the bike being my 10km commute and a couple of 20km extensions to it in 6 weeks, the only other ride this year being 45 km.  However, I've been keeping the running going with a 7-10km run at least once a week. 
Not many people doubt that SOME of the training effect transfers. Unfortunately your data doesn't prove much.
For example, there is no control data; have you ridden that 105km with the same training, minus the running?

The (main) question is: would you have been faster, had you spent ALL that training time on the bike?
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #592 on: 10 October, 2011, 09:35:12 pm »
Of course, it's completely unscientific and my "evidence" is anecdotal. 

I'm not sure how you equate training effort between running and cycling.  But in practical terms, I can do a harder session in less time on foot than on the bike, because living in London means that it takes time to get to somewhere where I can have decent blast on the bike. 

Also anecdotally, I feel that my core body strength is better since I started running (and swimming) and I don't suffer some of the back and shoulder aches that I used to get after 2 or 3 hours in the saddle. 

I'm not a competitive specialist cyclist anyway (the most competitive events I've done have been triathlons) and if I were, my approach might be different.  But for people who don't have a lot of time for training in events where aerobic efficiency counts for more than having developed the right muscular strength/endurance, I think cross training's benefits would outweigh the advantages of specialising. 
Peter

Jakob

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #593 on: 04 November, 2011, 06:24:26 am »

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #594 on: 04 November, 2011, 05:49:03 pm »
More barefoot running preaching:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/running-christopher-mcdougall.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1

Good article, thanks for the link. I feel some precision tippy-toe running on the spot training coming on (I think that's what '100-Up' amounts to, simple but makes good sense).

Probably mentioned elsewhere in this thread but worth repeating that Christopher McDougall's Born to Run is really recommended for anyone inquisitive about the barefoot running thing, not just informative but a good read too.
The lights were red, his brain was small - he hardly felt a thing at all.

RichForrest

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #595 on: 23 December, 2011, 03:26:13 pm »
I've started running/jogging recently. Never been a great runner as have always been heavy at 16.5st+
Now at 15st I'm finding it a lot easier, I have signed up with the parkrun website as the local run is only 1km away  :thumbsup:
3.5km and a 4km jog last week. This morning did just under 26mins for my first ever 5km

Looking at keeping this up and am thinking about a half marathon the 1st weekend in March.
With the idea of only 10% increase a week is this feasible?

Rich

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #596 on: 23 December, 2011, 05:32:14 pm »
Keep the weight coming off as you have, then it's very much feasible.
Have shed a large pile of belly recently, I've been quite surprised at how much easier it's gotten. Speed & distance up, HR down. Physics init!!

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #597 on: 01 January, 2012, 06:14:26 pm »
I've started running/jogging recently. Never been a great runner as have always been heavy at 16.5st+

Me too. But I still can't run for even 20 minutes solidly, and my knee really hurts if I run or even walk for too long.
How long is it supposed to take from utterly sedentary to being able to run (say) 10k?

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #598 on: 02 January, 2012, 12:09:22 pm »
All the stuff I've read says to increase the distance by 10% a week, I was up to 6km on Friday.
Went out today and felt ok at 6km so kept going, managed to do my first 10  :thumbsup: and in under an hr!!

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #599 on: 02 January, 2012, 04:06:34 pm »
All the stuff I've read says to increase the distance by 10% a week, I was up to 6km on Friday.
Went out today and felt ok at 6km so kept going, managed to do my first 10  :thumbsup: and in under an hr!!

Well done Rich  :thumbsup:

(Perhaps a couple of days recovery next before you find out why they only recomend 10% increase per week  ;))
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