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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1125 on: 11 November, 2013, 05:08:27 pm »
I seem to be one of those who gets reasonably fit by running (not far) which transfers to riding my bike, especially being able to go up various grades of incline reasonably quickly without having to go into the red. The opposite doesn't hold.

Having stopped pretty much any form of exercise a couple of months ago due to stomach upsets and existential issues (dysthymia/depression), I started hobbling around my local circuit (i.e., the cemetery) much slower than I had before. After just three weeks I can finally do 5k - a distance which seems to have eluded me for a couple of years as I'd generally go too fast and my calves would seize up - without feeling remotely knackered. This makes me most happy. I really enjoy going for a run as it gives me a different (and perhaps more primitive) feeling of 'freedom' than cycling.
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1126 on: 13 November, 2013, 09:50:16 pm »
I have been an "on and off runner" for the past few years. All things considered, I am a better runner than a cyclist. However my right knee would rather I didn't run.

I hadn't run for over 6 months and a couple of weeks ago I did my local parkrun and did a 5k in 24:50. Last night I did 5k in 23:19.

My Parkrun "PB" is 22:09, provided my knee plays ball and I am intended to get into running gradually again then I would like to be able to run a sub 20 minute 5k come the end of the Winter.

As for effects on my cycling, I find I lose my "strength" as in it seems my muscles lean out and my legs really do get very lean. However this is tempered with weightloss and better top end, so my hill climbing is massively improved.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1127 on: 16 November, 2013, 04:25:38 pm »
Went for my first run for many years this morning. 2 gentle laps of the local park equalling about 2 miles, quite enjoyed it. Might do a bit more through the winter, been meaning to do some form of cross-training for a while now.

I figure that I should build it up gradually, and pay attention to stretching well afterwards. Taking these precautions into account, how much do proper running shoes make a difference to comfort would people say? I don't have any, just used the nearest thing I have, those Merrell trainer/light walking shoes with the vibram soles. Any recommendations? Mind you I guess the right shoe is as personal as the right bike. Or perhaps not important at all, considering those who do ultra-marathons barefoot...

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1128 on: 16 November, 2013, 04:44:01 pm »
Not being a runners build, in recent years I've played it safe with running shoes with plenty of shock absorbance in the heel - and based on advice from running shop for the way I run (you run up the road / on treadmill and they watch you...) . Easyrunner at the bottom of St Michaels Hill are good - or there's one on Whiteladies road - MOTI? Try to get the manager not the saturday staff...

No doubt someone else will say this is all rubbish - but it has worked for me.

As you say - build up. I have recently learned the error of having plenty of cycling fitness and little conditioning for impact.

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1129 on: 16 November, 2013, 05:41:08 pm »
Before you do lots of miles it is well worth getting 'proper' shoes. If you are a "natural" heel-striker, cushioning is a good thing. But IMO you should give serious attention to the forefoot/heel landing technique debate before spending money on cushioned shoes.

There's been discussion upthread, but Search is broken, and it's covered  in more depth in "specialist" fora! (perhaps the key thing is that running with massive heel cushioning FORCES you to heel-strike - pretty much - so shoe choice is important).


Mind you, I've been out for 5 months from an injury caused by 10min barefoot, so ...
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1130 on: 16 November, 2013, 07:59:55 pm »
Thankyou guys yes I am hearing this, as much as I'd like to make do with what I have, or get some 2nd-hand Aldi running shoes, I should probably invest in something with a proper fit.

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1131 on: 23 November, 2013, 11:51:24 am »
About the most stressful few days at work imaginable; limited sleep; & post-stress recover sessions on Thursday & Friday night in a local tavern helped to give me my parkrun PB this morning :thumbsup:.
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1132 on: 23 November, 2013, 12:07:36 pm »
About the most stressful few days at work imaginable; limited sleep; & post-stress recover sessions on Thursday & Friday night in a local tavern helped to give me my parkrun PB this morning :thumbsup:.

I read that as "my parkrun PBP"  :o
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1133 on: 23 November, 2013, 02:16:26 pm »
In contrast, running out of blood & iron means this morning I could barely run at all, and gave up.

It's like the last 6 weeks never happened.

Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1134 on: 23 November, 2013, 05:06:24 pm »
Thankyou guys yes I am hearing this, as much as I'd like to make do with what I have, or get some 2nd-hand Aldi running shoes, I should probably invest in something with a proper fit.
Definitely. Some people scoff at the suggestion of proper running shoes, but proper expensive ones actually stopped my ankle hurting compared to the off the shelf Asics I bought at the now defunct JJB Sports. So there is merit to it. Besides once you have taken up cycling, what is £100 on a pair of shoes???

I went to Easyrunner in Bristol, very helpful and gave myself and my wife a discount on two pairs of shoes.

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1135 on: 25 November, 2013, 11:11:17 am »
Price isn't everything though - they need to be the right shoes, which aren't necessarily the most expensive.

I'm beginning to wonder if my expensive* trail shoes aren't actually the cause of my recent leg injuries, since the problems only seem to have started since I started running in them...

*RRP £110, though I didn't actually pay for them, hence I didn't actually have a choice in which shoes I got. If I were paying that much of my own money on running shoes, I would go to a proper running shop for decent advice and proper fitting. This is the process I went through to buy my other trail shoes, which cost £70, and I've never had a problem with them. It would be churlish to complain about getting a £110 pair of running shoes for free but if they're causing me injury, that makes them essentially worthless to me.

It's also possible that it's not so much the shoes that are causing me injury as the way I'm using them - largely on mixed surfaces, some trail, some paved. These are full-on trail shoes, with deep tread - very stable off-road but possibly not ideal on-road. My other shoes are perhaps just more suitable for the kind of mixed terrain running I do.

I really ought to get some proper road-running shoes as well.
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1136 on: 30 November, 2013, 11:23:49 am »
Another Parkrun PB this morning. I now need a new goal now I'm sub 19 minutes :D.
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1137 on: 30 November, 2013, 11:28:25 am »
Lol, I'm still chuffed that I don't get lapped.
New pb - 32:41.
 I was faster at York but that's completely flat, and tarmac, whereas we have mud and hills. It's surely going to be almost impossible to stay upright by March, we'll be calling it Bury Mud Madness.

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1138 on: 30 November, 2013, 11:50:51 am »
well done both!! i've got second worst time today (at least it's not pw!). still trying to find the reason why i'm lagging by 1min on my usual time.
went to the gym afterwards for a stepper session and stretches.

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1139 on: 30 November, 2013, 11:55:44 am »
Lol, I'm still chuffed that I don't get lapped.
New pb - 32:41.

PB, be happy :thumbsup:.


well done both!! i've got second worst time today (at least it's not pw!). still trying to find the reason why i'm lagging by 1min on my usual time.

How exposed is your ParkRun route? There was a decent wind blowing in East London today, so could that have had an impact?
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1140 on: 30 November, 2013, 02:52:05 pm »
How exposed is your ParkRun route? There was a decent wind blowing in East London today, so could that have had an impact?

not too exposed (southwark park) and there have been windier events before. i blame the lack of cycling in the last couple of months, hey-ho :)
you run just a bit quicker than i - could make an perfect pace-setter!

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1141 on: 30 November, 2013, 03:23:11 pm »
23.01 for me today. Definitely not a PB.

The chances of me ever going sub 20 are looking increasingly slim.
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1142 on: 30 November, 2013, 03:29:06 pm »
Another Parkrun PB this morning. I now need a new goal now I'm sub 19 minutes :D.
Well fboab is doing a harder workout than you. How about aiming for something that takes 32+mins?
 :P

(there are traces of sense in that comment. Somewhere ... )



This morning's ride went thru Wallingford - "Caution Runners" signs. only saw 1 chap - walking and eating. I wasn't surprised when he said he was doing 100 miles  :thumbsup:
(Moral: there's always someone doing something harder/longer/cooler than you.)
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1143 on: 30 November, 2013, 05:06:51 pm »
Well fboab is doing a harder workout than you. How about aiming for something that takes 32+mins?

Nah. I don't like the pain, so find it's better to get it over with as quickly as possible ;)
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1144 on: 30 November, 2013, 10:04:48 pm »
More than once, I've finished around the same time as a mum running with her 6 year old. I comfort myself with the knowledge that I'm probably carrying the equivalent of a six year old in excess lard.
So maybe you fast boys need to do it marine corps stylee with stupidly heavy packs?

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1145 on: 30 November, 2013, 11:20:17 pm »
So maybe you fast boys need to do it marine corps stylee with stupidly heavy packs?

It's funny you should say that because that came up in conversation earlier today while I was lugging 24 kg of stuff back from Asda....
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1146 on: 01 December, 2013, 07:35:56 am »
Hop?
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1147 on: 02 December, 2013, 05:16:31 pm »

This morning's ride went thru Wallingford - "Caution Runners" signs. only saw 1 chap - walking and eating. I wasn't surprised when he said he was doing 100 miles  :thumbsup:
(Moral: there's always someone doing something harder/longer/cooler than you.)

Centurion Winter 100?

http://www.centurionrunning.com/winter-100-2013/w100-2013-infopack/

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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1148 on: 02 December, 2013, 05:23:29 pm »
That'll be it. There were a couple of Centurion t-shirts on display.
I've since read that they were running the 2nd "piece of string" event in parallel. I may have posted about it here last year. They had MUCH better conditions this year, almost perfect (apart from a little cold overnight). The 2012 PofS entrants waded 30 miles along flooded river-banks.
There was some #pieceofstring stuff on twitter, but no detailed reports (as of last night anyway).

EDIT: 'ere ya go:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/matt-butler-the-national-treasure-his-soiled-shorts-and-the-shaven-fairy-8976264.html?origin=internalSearch
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Speaking of profile, a race which flew under almost everyone’s radars, the second annual Piece of String run, took place over the weekend. It is, as the name implies, a race where the participants start not knowing how far they have to run to the finish. It wasn’t on TV or radio (perish the thought) but was easy to follow via Twitter.

It started somewhere in Berkshire on Friday morning and ended almost 130 miles later on Saturday night, with Terrence Zengerink and Ben Hall the joint winners. As crazy as the Piece of String sounds, to some it represents the ideal test of the mental side of endurance sport. None of the runners have any public profile whatsoever, but there is no doubting the size of their hearts.

And this is entertaining:
http://www.centurionrunning.com/piece-of-string-fun-run/piece-of-string-2013-misery-pics/
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Re: Cross Training: Running
« Reply #1149 on: 10 December, 2013, 12:28:27 pm »
Anyone get paresthesia while running? I had a painful attack in my left foot while out yesterday lunchtime. Weird. I was wearing the same shoes as usual, which have elastic laces so it's not like I'd done them up too tight.

Anyway, I bought some new running socks this morning, long ones with calf support, which may or may not make a difference. We shall see. If it recurs, I shall go to the doctor.
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