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Title: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 October, 2013, 10:34:20 pm
Southend is a strange football club. Suffering a chairman who is one of the richest in the Football League and who is really just interested in the Club for its real estate development potential, they are constantly at the behest of HMRC because they have debts of one sort or another which, magically, the chairman, Ron "dodgy geezer" Martin pays out of his back pocket just before any deadline passes. I understand that they are restricted to a very small squad this season because of their financial insecurity.

Southend had a run of four straight losses earlier in the season. This was quite good news: for years the club have been trying to build an out-of-town stadium, which has varied in proposed size, but will inevitably be far too large and will require lots of road transport to get the fans there. If they lose, their home crowd is normally between 4000 and 5000. Currently the ground is within easy walking distance of lots of terraced housing and two railway stations so there is little need for motorised traffic around the ground. In previous year,s when they have done well, their crowd can go up to close to its capacity of 12000.

Last Friday Southend had a very good 2 - 0 win over Fleetwood, who were second in the table. Tonight, they lost 1 - 0 at home to Dagenham and Redbridge. It is quite annoying that they tend to play on a Tuesday evening as that interrupts my bike ride to my choir practice, and back again. I was a bit surprised, after Friday's result that their crowd was only 4500 or so. I would have expected a few more.

It's always a good idea for us to check whether they are playing at home before going across the road for fish and chips: the chip shop is only 100 yards or so from the ground's entrance.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: madcow on 06 November, 2013, 08:12:30 pm
" for years the club have been trying to build an out-of-town stadium, which has varied in proposed size, but will inevitably be far too large and will require lots of road transport to get the fans there. "

What you describe could be any one of many League 1 , 2 or minor league teams. My home town team, Darlington went bust because of an overambitious chairman building a stadium that was too big and too expensive. No amount of car boot sales could produce enough cash income to pay for the upkeep, never mind the players and other staff.
The Quakers  were relegated after having points deucted for insolvency and now share a ground with Bishop Auckland , 12 miles away.
Deano will be along soon to add some detail.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 November, 2013, 08:32:05 pm
If I could beat him to it(!), you probably don't go back far enough but I can just about remember the glory days of Bishop Auckland; Bob Hardisty lifting the amateur cup year after year, with the occasional blip for Crook Town.  That's how it seemed, anyway.  I once wrote a song about Witton Park (just round the corner), never knowing that my grandmother had been born there.  Darlington also had a glory day, getting as far as the FA cup semi, or was it the quarters?  Used to go and watch Stockton Ancients, too.  Their ground is a housing estate, now.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Deano on 06 November, 2013, 09:31:00 pm
Feethams, a few months ago:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/9193389347_2691fabbcc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30024450@N04/9193389347/)

It's currently being dug over, so the housing estate won't be long in coming.

There were a whole load of other problems with Darlo, but the stadium was the main one, built against the local residents' wishes, so it didn't have license to do anything other than host football matches, and the chairman's expressed desire to host "pop concerts" never materialised.

Reynolds was a self-publicising arsehole (previously jailed for safe-cracking, amongst other things, and later jailed for tax evasion), who used the club as his personal toy, then left when things went pear-shaped. I don't remember us ever having a decent chairman, but at least most of them left the club no worse than when they arrived. He left us with an unusable stadium and a shite team (no change there).

My old man and a few of his mates still admire Reynolds - my dad has an excuse, as he used to go drinking with the bloke, but I think the rest just liked his take-no-shit attitude. There's a story about an agent demanding a £10,000 fee for Darlo signing his goalkeeper, and Reynolds replying with an offer of £100,000 on the condition that the agent paid the club £10,000 every time his keeper let in a goal...

But that cut both ways - Reynolds fired my mate Chevs early in his Darlo career. Chevs was the assistant groundskeeper, and Reynolds walked out to meet him in the middle of the pitch and asked him what his job was. When he replied "assistant groundskeeper", Reynolds apparently said "we only need one groundskeeper - you're fired". That season, Feethams was a quagmire, with loads of games cancelled, and one cup tie had to be played in Middlesbrough.

It's a shite stadium, too. Out-of ground places are usually vile (Hull's KC stadium is something of an exception, but that has a whole sports complex around it, and the fans to fill it), and it smacked of putting the cart before the horse, especially in Reynolds' second season, when he started paying the players a pittance and put all the money into a useless stadium.

There is talk of Darlo getting the use of the stadium back, but in the division they're in now, they might as well play at South Park or the R.A.

Anyway, to happier times - Peter, is this what you're thinking of? ;D My dad was there, to watch his favourite team (Chelsea).

http://youtu.be/U5q9YhjWjOU
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 November, 2013, 11:54:50 pm
That's the one!  Your Dad won't have been too happy on Saturday, then!  Haway the lads!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 November, 2013, 05:24:17 pm
Southend began their journey to Wembley with a 3 - 0 away win against Morecambe in the F. A. Cup. Possibly the most remarkable aspect of this fixture is the two clubs' nicknames: I have learnt this afternoon that Morecambe are known as the Shrimps whereas Southend are the Shrimpers.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 09 November, 2013, 05:34:25 pm
Bury V Darlington was Shakers v Shakers!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: clarion on 09 November, 2013, 10:39:14 pm
Shakers v Quakers, surely?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 November, 2013, 07:49:53 am
Actually, there is a second remarkable aspect about the Southend - Morecambe result: Morecambe are four places above Southend in League 2. I had assumed, given the score, that they were non-league.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 11 November, 2013, 10:37:45 am
Shakers v Quakers, surely?

Oops.

Then, a shaker is a quaker who can sing and dance (and make furniture)! 
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 December, 2013, 10:47:09 pm
Apparently Southend were "within 15 seconds" taking "top spot" in their last match. Their opponents scored from the penalty spot in order to equalise. It is very close at the top of League Division 4 (aka League 2) with very few points separating the top half-dozen teams. Brian.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 December, 2013, 05:05:55 pm
From the sublime to the ridiculous. The Bleeders lost to Torquay today. Torquay are, as the song suggested, right at the bottom of League Division 4.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 09:21:35 am
Today is the third round of the FA Cup and this afternoon we will have the dubious pleasure of the Millwallies wandering past our door.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 04:05:02 pm
Southend are 1 - 0 up as half time approaches. According to a statistics website, they have had 60% of the possession.

Millwall are two leagues above Southend, albeit pretty near the bottom. Southend are close to the top of theirs.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Polar Bear on 04 January, 2014, 04:43:58 pm
3  -  0 now.  You seem to be becoming a supporter Wow ...

Was the floodlight issue due to you putting the kettle on?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 04:55:58 pm
Me, a supporter? Not at all. Just bored on a damp afternoon. Mind you, I don't buy this "monsoon" bollocks that the Graun is talking about. My house is less than 300 yards from the ground and our weather station has recorded 0.2mm rain so far today.

I understand that it's 3 - 1 now.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 05:21:30 pm
And it finished 4 - 1. I hope the Millwallies are not as hooliganistic as they used to be as otherwise we might well get our windows smashed as they slouch back to the station.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2014, 04:27:12 pm
Good grief! Southend are 3 - 0 up against Chesterfield in a clash (I think that's the word used in these circumstances) for fourth place. Chesterfield were ahead of Southend before the current game and will be below them after it.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Polar Bear on 18 January, 2014, 04:33:03 pm
I refer the honourable gentleman ...    :D    O:-)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 18 January, 2014, 05:08:44 pm
Good grief! Southend are 3 - 0 up against Chesterfield in a clash (I think that's the word used in these circumstances) for fourth place. Chesterfield were ahead of Southend before the current game and will be below them after it.

And Rochdale will be above both!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2014, 09:54:26 am
Well, PB, I was thinking of buying a ticket for this afternoon's cup tie against Hull City (a team that has a unique distinction in the Football League) but they're sold out. Such a shame!

I think that Rochdale and Southend are the only two Fourth Division sides left in the cup, Peter. I would suggest that both are in with a chance, but Rochdale are considerably more likely to proceed.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Polar Bear on 25 January, 2014, 10:12:33 am
I'll keep an eye on this thread for your updates Wow.   :D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2014, 10:15:36 am
Ah, but first you must tell me about Hull City's unique distinction within the Football League. :P

I may be making marmalade at some stage during the match.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 January, 2014, 10:43:31 am
I don't know what you have in mind, P, but Hull are probably the only League side to have been knocked out of the FA Cup by Stockton (my home town)!  It was in the early 1900s.  Stockton are not so successful, now, although they still have the same team.

I cant go to Rochdale's game for domestic reasons but I shall be closely following both our games!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Deano on 25 January, 2014, 10:47:34 am
It won't be true anymore if Hull City change their name to Hull Tigers next season!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Polar Bear on 25 January, 2014, 10:49:57 am
It won't be true anymore if Hull City change their name to Hull Tigers next season!

Beat me to it. 
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2014, 10:51:06 am
Are they really intending that underhand, scurrilous manoeuvre?

I think I might have to go out this afternoon and let their coach's tyres down.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: CAMRAMan on 25 January, 2014, 11:15:09 am
http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/90-bisodol-crimond/rock-and-roll-is-full-of-bad-wools/

Southend's ground gets a mention in this tale of how the game has been hijacked by folk who call it "footie" and eat prawn sandwiches. Pretty good tune too, IMHO...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2014, 03:16:04 pm
No score so far. When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping. I'm off on the hunt for cheap Seville oranges.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2014, 04:53:21 pm
The oranges were all full price so they stayed where they were. I have enough in the freezer for two or three batches so there's no urgency.

I could hear the crowd from outside Waitrose, which is more than a mile away. Sadly, it's now 2 - 0 to Hull so no surprises there then. What is the great pity is that Watford have capitulated to Man City after leading 2 - 0.

Even Rochdale have let us down.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 January, 2014, 05:46:24 pm
Yes, sorry about that!  Actually, I'm more irritated by the way Liverpool cheated their way past Bournemouth.  And Sturridge's "Am I God, or what?" face after he scored his admittedly excellent goal made me want to throw up.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2014, 02:00:35 pm
Two results sneaked past me during the past few days whilst my attention was elsewhere.

Not exactly as sick as a parrot, Brian, but it was far from an over-the-moon situation as The Bleeders garnered a paltry two points against DagnmnRedbridge and Newport County. Meanwhile, Chesterfield, whom Southend beat 3 - 0 only a week or two ago, have reclaimed Top Spot with impressive away wins against York and Northampton.

It's a funny old game, David.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 February, 2014, 06:11:27 pm
Definitely a psitticosis situation yesterday as T'Bleeders allowed Exeter two late goals, thus squandering all 3 points.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Ian123 on 22 February, 2014, 07:43:55 am
These footy updates are better than the local rag
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 March, 2014, 11:42:55 pm
Poor old Saarfend haven't won a match since they beat Chesterfield 3 - 0 on 18th January. Chesterfield are now top of League 2 and Southend have slumped to 7th position, 12 points adrift, and gradually heading out of the play-off places and into mid-table.

Meanwhile, their owner, Nefarious Ron Martin, who at 59 remains ashen-faced and tight-lipped, has had a couple of sycophantic articles written about him in our local rag. He is determined a new stadium, a long way from the centre of Southend, will be built, despite the current stadium being easily big enough for a club at this level. Roots Hall holds 12,000. The average home crowd is about 4,500.

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11049792.Ron_Martin_remortgaged_his_mansion_to_bail_out_Southend_United/

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11041631.Ron_Martin_interview__Fossets_Farm_will_happen/
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 12 March, 2014, 12:37:33 am
Amazingly after only just surviving in league 2 last year York City are having a run of form and are closing in on the playoff positions.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 March, 2014, 11:31:34 am
York are now level on points with Southend after saturday's results - 0-0 at Roots Hall whereas York won 2 - 0.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 23 March, 2014, 09:28:51 am
And now 2 points above and in the playoff positions after beating Portsmouth yesterday. This is quite unreal.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2014, 11:07:22 am
Southend have drawn a remarkable number of games this year - 8 out of the last 11 played.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 25 March, 2014, 09:57:29 pm
and York have won again and moved up another place. It cant last they play a lot of the teams at the top of the league in their remaining matches. Still I don't think we'll be fighting for league survival this season at least.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 March, 2014, 10:22:41 pm
I have just noticed that Southend beat Oxford 3 - 0 last night. I didn't know they were playing. Mind you, I went to a choir practice more than an hour before the match started and got home after it finished.

That's a very good result for Southend as Oxford are still 2 places above them in the table.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 29 March, 2014, 06:30:42 pm
Ah well it had to end sometime. York drew 0-0 with Burton and drop out of the playoff places. Southend go two places higher than York on goal difference with Southend, Oxford and York all on 59 points.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 April, 2014, 09:10:06 pm
What happened to Rochdale today, Peter? A 3 - 0 home defeat to The Bleeders was not really expected. Good for Saarfend's prospects though.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 19 April, 2014, 12:53:13 am
I thought you'd be on, P!  Yes, an excellent result, for you.  I'm bad luck for my teams, so I generally don't go.   But I had a lovely family afternoon out walking above Oldham!  The result was not totally unexpected as you are resurgent and we are having our usual promotion jitters.  Be nice if we both went up!           
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 April, 2014, 09:06:13 am
I thought you'd be on, P!  Yes, an excellent result, for you.  I'm bad luck for my teams, so I generally don't go.   But I had a lovely family afternoon out walking above Oldham!  The result was not totally unexpected as you are resurgent and we are having our usual promotion jitters.  Be nice if we both went up!           
Not a good result for me as I'm not a supporter of any team. I take an interest in what happens to Southend Utd as their ground is less than a quarter of a mile from our house and there is always the threat of a new out-of-town stadium which I feel is greater when Southend are doing well. It is hard to justify a 20000 seat stadium when your 12000 seat stadium is rarely more than half full.

So an interesting result, in the "Chinese curse" sense.

It looks as though Southend will get into the play-offs but with luck they will avoid promotion!

PS I have just realised that I covered all this in the OP!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 April, 2014, 12:56:57 pm
An interesting quirk of the fixture list is that Southend have to play the two teams immediately above them in their final games, Fleetwood and Burton Albion. Even if they lose both I think they are unlikely to be caught by Oxford, who are 6 points behind and have a 10-goal difference inferiority. OTOH Oxford do have to play Accrington & Northampton, who are a long way down teh table, so making up a 10-goal difference if Southend lose twice is not out of the question.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 April, 2014, 05:43:31 pm
Well, Oxford lost ignominiously at home and Southend got a point against Fleetwood so Southend are in the play-offs, currently behind York. There is one game to play for Southend, against Burton, who are also in the play-offs, unless they win their last two and overcome an inferior GD of 20 against Chesterfield. Unlikely.

Southend will have to play Fleetwood again in the play-offs, whenever they may be.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 April, 2014, 07:21:57 pm
And Rochdale go up!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 April, 2014, 07:27:39 pm
Well done them!

It's quite nice that there's a gap between the top 3 and the play-off places and an even bigger one between the play-offs and the also-rans. That way, no-one can feel particularly hard-done-by - yet! That's what the play-offs are for!

I haven't taken that much interest in such things in the past, but ISTR that Southend have been in the play-offs quite a few times and I don't think they have ever been promoted from them. I am hoping that the same is true this year.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 April, 2014, 07:32:54 pm
Ha!  I understand your sentiments.  Probably the only land that Rochdale could expand to is an old asbestos site which housing developers have failed with for years.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 29 April, 2014, 07:00:34 am
I'm hoping that York manage to win the play-offs and get promoted. Unlikely but they have made it into the old third division before. It would make my cousins very happy as well as they are football mad and members of the supporters club (one of them is a sports journalist).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 May, 2014, 05:09:47 pm
Southend's results against the rest of the top 7 make interesting reading:

P 12 W 6 D 4 L 2 F 17 A 8. Including the FA Cup that is P 13 W7 F20 A 9 as they beat Chesterfield 3 - 1 away. Scunthorpe were the only team who got the better of Southend over both matches, drawing 2 - 2 and Southend losing 1 - 0 at home.

All of which goes to show that Southend were not very good at putting away supposedly "lesser" opposition.

They have finished in 5th place so, if I understand it correctly, they have to play Burton again in the play-offs (they beat them 1 - 0 today - if ever there was a pointless fixture today's was it). York will have to play Fleetwood.

Since Southend have already beaten Burton 1 - 0 twice this season you can almost guarantee the score when they play in the playoffs - Burton will win 1 - 0!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 May, 2014, 07:39:49 pm
The Match of the Century takes place on Saturday.

The Graun, curiously, have published the kick-off time as 08.00 EDT, which my consultants tell me stands for "Eastern Daylight Time" and is a USanian invention.

I can't think that the denizens of Delaware, New Hampshire and Vermont will be especially interested in either the Bleeders or Burton Albion.

For those of us who enjoy East of England Daylight Time, the kick-off has been published as 12.00 noon. I was under the impression that there were 5 hours between us and the East Coast of the US of A at this time of year.

Whichever it is, I shall be out riding my bicycle at the critical hour.

Prediction: Burton to win 1 - 0.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 May, 2014, 07:31:59 pm
I didn't realise that this play-off was over two legs and that Burton had already won 1 - 0 in Burton. 2 - 2 today at Roots Hall so the Bleeders are on the Fourth Division again next season, as are York, who lost to Fleetwood, it seems.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 17 May, 2014, 09:18:14 pm
Yes we did.1:0 at home then 0:0 away at Fleetwood.

Never mind I'm just amazed we actually got to the playoffs after the disaster that was last season and the beginning of this one.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 May, 2014, 09:22:58 pm
I regard it as a good result for the future of Southend United. I'm sure the club wouldn't survive a move to an out of town 20,000 seat stadium.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 November, 2014, 06:26:33 pm
I have been in catch-up mode with the Bleeders' results today. They are no longer on their way to Wembley (they shall not be moved etc.), at least, via the FA Cup, having been unceremoniously dumped out in the first round by Chester. They are, however, not at all far from the top of the Fourth Division, and have today recorded their third consecutive league win.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 25 November, 2014, 09:44:30 am
And York City are having a disastrous season. Will be lucky to avoid the drop at this rate. The ups and downs of football in the lower leagues eh.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 March, 2015, 06:45:15 pm
A progress report, with 9 matches still to go.

Southend are in 5th place in League Division 4 (AKA "League 2"). They have 10 points to catch up if they are to finish in the top 3 and gain an automatic promotion. They are 6 points ahead of Luton, who are outside the play-off places. The most likely outcome, I feel, is that Southend will be in the play-offs against Bury, Newport County and Plymouth Argyle.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 28 March, 2015, 06:54:56 pm
Than you for that report.  It will not have escaped your notice that the club who two months ago were bottom of that division, by 10 points, have now won four games in succession and are no longer bottom.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 March, 2015, 07:05:17 pm
I'm afraid that you are wrong, Basil, and that did escape my notice. Having had my attention drawn to it, however, I feel it would be churlish in the extreme for me not to offer you hearty congratulations for your major contribution to the Monkeyhangers' cause. Well done!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 28 March, 2015, 07:09:12 pm
Thank you.  Yes, it's been hard work taking a look at the results now and then when I remember to.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 29 March, 2015, 12:24:50 am
Don't worry, Bas, I look for you and I'm getting pretty excited.  Dale doing well, too.  Wow, if you think you'll be playing Bury again, you'd better take your snorkels.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 March, 2015, 09:27:12 am
I won't be playing anyone - not at football at least.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 29 March, 2015, 10:11:41 am
If yesterday's abandonment is a guide, you'd need a snorkel in Bury, even for chess.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 March, 2015, 11:45:02 am
"It rained and it rained for a fortnight
Till folks to their roofs had to climb.
They said 'twas the rottenest summer
That Bury 'ad 'ad for some time."
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 29 March, 2015, 01:48:57 pm
Must've been bad, then!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 02 April, 2015, 10:36:21 pm
Southend's keeper, Daniel Bentley, has been named in MOTD magazine's Dream Team - League Two version.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 06 April, 2015, 05:11:03 pm
Bugger!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 April, 2015, 06:16:44 pm
Quite.

A favourable set of results for Southend today. Their win over Hartlepool was probably a form result, but two late goals sank Bury, who had been leading against Morecambe. Southend now have an 8-point cushion to stay in the play-offs and are now 5 points behind Wycombe, who lost to leaders Burton Albion. Southend have a game in hand over Wycombe, but the latter's goal difference is 8 better than Southend's.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 April, 2015, 12:54:46 am
I'm with you on this one, Bas!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: PeteB99 on 07 April, 2015, 10:08:37 am
Quite.

A favourable set of results for Southend today. Their win over Hartlepool was probably a form result, but two late goals sank Bury, who had been leading against Morecambe. Southend now have an 8-point cushion to stay in the play-offs and are now 5 points behind Wycombe, who lost to leaders Burton Albion. Southend have a game in hand over Wycombe, but the latter's goal difference is 8 better than Southend's.

Interesting.

As you have an 8 point cushion could you possibly see your way to letting Tranmere win next weekend?

They really really need the points :(
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 April, 2015, 10:53:25 pm
It's not me, I won't be playing.

You have to recall that I take an interest in Southend from an entirely political perspective. Their manager is a nefarious individual to say the least. For quitea few years he has been trying to make a load of dosh through closing Southend's current stadium (capacity 12000ish) and open a 22000 seat stadium ont of town. He then wants to sell the old ground for a supermarket to be built on it.

It a horrendous idea. Southend's crowd is normally about 4000. The ground is within easy walking distance of lots of terraced housing. If he gets his way it will kill the club. If ever there is talk of them being promoted then the proposed new ground rears its ugly head again. I want them to stay pretty much where they are.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 08 April, 2015, 12:30:04 am
I don't think you need to worry, too much!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 April, 2015, 12:40:56 am
They have a 1 in 4 chance of winning the play-offs. They seem to get into them every year. One year they will win them and get promoted.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Ian123 on 08 April, 2015, 09:40:37 pm
i went to a southend game on my 40th birthday the chairman was on about the stadium starting to be built for the following season guess what I'm 48 in two weeks and there's still no stadium glad I didn't hold my breath as I'd be dead now
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: pcolbeck on 14 April, 2015, 05:30:10 pm
It's not me, I won't be playing.

You have to recall that I take an interest in Southend from an entirely political perspective. Their manager is a nefarious individual to say the least. For quitea few years he has been trying to make a load of dosh through closing Southend's current stadium (capacity 12000ish) and open a 22000 seat stadium ont of town. He then wants to sell the old ground for a supermarket to be built on it.

WoW that will be the chairman not the manager. The manager is a purely sporting position hired by the club to manage and coach the players, he has no say in finances etc.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 April, 2015, 08:55:48 pm
It's not me, I won't be playing.

You have to recall that I take an interest in Southend from an entirely political perspective. Their manager is a nefarious individual to say the least. For quitea few years he has been trying to make a load of dosh through closing Southend's current stadium (capacity 12000ish) and open a 22000 seat stadium ont of town. He then wants to sell the old ground for a supermarket to be built on it.

WoW that will be the chairman not the manager. The manager is a purely sporting position hired by the club to manage and coach the players, he has no say in finances etc.

Correct. The owner. One Ron Martin.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 April, 2015, 11:36:32 am
Midweek matches were kind to Southend, although Wycombe winning diminished the Bleeders' chances of automatic promotion. They do seem to have cemented themselves firmly into the play-offs though.

Southend's remaining fixtures are:-

Exeter away
Bury away
Luton home
Morecambe away

The Bury match is the toughest of those, and is both sides' game in hand. If Wycombe falter the winner will gain automatic promotion, assuming other results go their way, and as of today both sides are in good form. Southend's last 5 matches are DWWWW, Bury's WWLWW.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 April, 2015, 06:49:04 pm
Southend and Bury both won, Wycombe drew. They are looking fragile now and Tuesday's match between Bury and Southend is a must-win game. Both are assured of at least a play-off place but a draw won't get them into the automatic promotion slots. Bury are a point ahead of Southend so they will go ahead of Wycombe on points if they win. Southend will draw level with Wycombe but, at the moment, have an inferior goal difference.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 April, 2015, 10:51:38 pm
Blimey! Southend won 1 - 0 away to Bury. They are now level on points with Wycombe but with a 5-goal inferior difference. Southend have now won their last 6 games.

A friend of mine attends quite a lot of the home games. She reckons that Southend have quite frequently been pretty much outplayed by their opponents but have popped in a late goal against the run of play, so are very fortunate to be where they are. Today's game, from what I can gather, fits very much into that category. Bury had 63% of the possession to Southend's 37%.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/match/2015/apr/21/bury-v-southend refers.

Southend now have to play Luton and Morecambe, Wycombe play Morecambe and Northampton. Unpredictable, but I'll try: Southend get into the playoffs (they are assured of at least that, whatever their last two results) and then lose to someone. Could be Luton.  :demon:
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 April, 2015, 07:21:04 am
Well. That was an excellent day for Southend, beating Luton whilst Wycombe lost to Morecambe. The Bleeders' last two results have seen them overtake both Bury and Wycombe and they now occupy third place. Automatic promotion beckons with one game to play.

At the same time, the issue of the totally unnecessary new stadium is occupying the narrow mind of the local rag's headline writers. South end get crowds in the region of 4000, for which their 12000 seat stadium is more than adequate. Besides, I suspect that Foul Old Ron Martin has missed the economic boat when it comes to building yet another supermarket.

Millennium Hand and Shrimpers.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 26 April, 2015, 08:08:26 am
If Southend are promoted, I will, of course, loose all interest in this thread, as it will be about foopball in some rarified higher league.   ;)

On a related note, Hartlepool took an unexpected 3 home points to place them 4 points above the relegation zone.  They've only gone and done it again.  :D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 April, 2015, 09:10:35 am
Decades of practice! Well done 'Pool!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 April, 2015, 12:05:34 pm
I suspect, Basil, that even if the Bleeders are promoted, you can take a passing interest in the fact that Southend will be on the way back down in a year's time.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 26 April, 2015, 12:17:55 pm
I suspect, Basil, that even if the Bleeders are promoted, you can take a passing interest in the fact that Southend will be on the way back down in a year's time.

Hartlepool Will no doubt wave as they pass in the opposite direction.  :)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 April, 2015, 04:49:42 pm
My pal was at Southend's match at the weekend, once again. Her husband chose a day out in the British Museum instead.

The game was pretty dire and Southend were, apparently, largely outplayed. They didn't take the lead until after they had had a man sent off. I am led to believe that Morecambe, who are Southend's final opponents of the scheduled league matches, are a big, robust team who will give Southend a particularly hard time. The expectation is, therefore, that Bury will win and Southend will lose, forcing them back into the play-offs.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2015, 04:25:32 pm
As things stand, Southend are being pushed down into the play-offs. Despite having 65% of the possession, Southend are 2-1 down to Morecambe, who have only had two shots on target. Both Wycombe and Bury are winning.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 02 May, 2015, 05:00:15 pm
Funny old thing, football, isn't it?  Southend disappointed to be in the play offs.  Hartlepool elated to be third from bottom.  :)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2015, 05:30:27 pm
Not that I have been to watch them since their well-deserved win over Sunderland, but my understanding is that some chickens came home to roost for Southend today. Southend, according to the Graun's website, had 59% of the possession and Morecambe had just three shots on target. Sadly for Southend, all three shots went in.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2015, 06:56:29 pm
A propos of reply no. 84, Bury did indeed win, and are in thrid place. Wycombe, Southend, Stevenage and Plymouth have to play off. Is it 4 v 7 and 5 v 6, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 May, 2015, 05:44:47 pm
Southend played away to Stevenage on Sunday an drew 1-1. They play the home leg tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 May, 2015, 09:50:17 pm
Currently playing extra time. Wycombe beat Plymouth so if Southend get through that's who they play.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 May, 2015, 10:34:38 pm
And Southend play Wycombe in the play-off final. 3 - 1 win tonight, after extra time. The third goal was scored 2h 1m 36s into the game. I don't suppose this is a record, but my google-fu wasn't up to proving that it wasn't. There was a Grauniad page dealing with the latest goals in a 90-minute game but I found nothing relating to extra time being played.

Edit: Southend missed a penalty in the 94th minute of normal time.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 May, 2015, 08:13:06 pm
Southend have equalised in the 122nd minute of the final.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 23 May, 2015, 08:23:50 pm
The game was really poor. But what a dramatic end!!!These penalties are stressful even for a neutral!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 May, 2015, 08:38:00 pm
Saarfend are promoted, 7-6 on penalties. Oh well, there will now be calls for a bigger stadium...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 August, 2015, 04:51:31 pm
It has dawned on me that it is mid-August and we must therefore be nearly half-way through the football season. I decided to see how Southend were doing and was not surprised to learn that they have now played 3, lost 2 and drawn 1. Today's effort, against Walsall, was a 2 - 0 home defeat in which the visitors, according to the Graun website, enjoyed 70% of the possession.

Meanwhile, in Southend's absence from League 2, Hartlepool have won their first two games. Basil! What is going on?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 15 August, 2015, 05:02:57 pm
Meanwhile, in Southend's absence from League 2, Hartlepool have won their first two games. Basil! What is going on?

The manager has a new tactic.  At the half time team talk he says, "Try and win the game if you can."
Seems to be working so far.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 August, 2015, 10:35:36 pm
So far this season, Southend's opponents are all undefeated. It's odd: Southend are playing real football teams. In tonight's match Coventry came from behind to draw 2 - 2.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2015, 06:35:37 pm
This afternoon Southend won 2 - 0 away against the Millwallies. That can only be described as a Good Result.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 October, 2015, 06:01:05 pm
Saarfend are promoted, 7-6 on penalties. Oh well, there will now be calls for a bigger stadium...

Southend have won 4 of their last 5 games and are in 7th place. And...

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/13809693.Southend_United_puts_its_new_stadium_plans_on_show/
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2015, 05:09:53 pm
Southend have played Rochdale today. Southend were 2 - 0 up at half time but the game ended as a 2 - 2 draw.

I would imagine that those supporters at the "wrong end" would be a bit miffed at not seeing the action.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 31 October, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
Not at all - if I go, they lose!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 November, 2015, 11:19:46 pm
I heard Various Loud Sounds from the stadium this evening but it required a considerable amount of effort to track down the fixture.

Southend beat Bristol Rovers 1 - 0 in the quarter-final of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy. It's an over the moon situation, Brian.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 11 November, 2015, 11:23:40 pm
That's ok cos Bristol City won it last season!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 November, 2015, 06:42:27 pm
I see that Southend and Wigan drew 0 - 0 this afternoon. However, our pier remains bigger than theirs.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 December, 2015, 10:27:12 pm
Southend beat Bury 4 - 1 this evening and there are now Git Noises drifting in from the road outside as the fans wend their way to the pub just along from us which has the reputation for sporadic violent crime.

That really is a very good result for Southend. Bury were only one place below them and that pushed them up to 5th place, albeit having played 1 game more than their nearest rivals.

Edit: yesterday's result have not placed Southend 5th, but 7th. I think the table I was looking at was including the latest score as a result. It certainly hasn't changed since the match ended. Bury are now one place below Southend, previously having been above them.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2016, 05:19:46 pm
The Bleeders' season has taken a distinct turn for the worse, having lost their last two games 7 - 0 on aggregate. Still only one place from the "play-offs" though.

The crowd inconvenienced me slightly this afternoon. I was cycling to the bank whilst numerous scarf-bearers were walking in the opposite direction on the cycle path, thereby making my progress even slower than usual.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2016, 05:14:47 pm
There are more noises outside of football fans pubward plodding their weary way. Southend beat Colchester 3 - 0 this afternoon, which was remarkable in that the first goal was scored in the 82nd minute. Colchester had a player sent off, even though they conceded only two fouls, according to the Graun. I don't know how late in the game that was.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2016, 05:44:27 pm
Blimey. Just read a FB post from a pal who went to the match.

Quote
So the Colchester grudge match, sorry "game", saw over 10,700 people turn out today. Colchester looked the better team for most of the game, despite losing a player early on. But Southend scored three excellent goals in the last 11 minutes. Around 50 Colchester supporters couldn't stand the teasing from Southend fans, and a couple made it through security to wave fists close to home sides fans. One Southend heavy walked casually past the stewards and threw punches at every Colchester fan he could get to in the front row of the away stand; he then turned around and casually walked back to his own stand. Meanwhile several parents hauled young children out and demanded other stewards walk them out of the ground to safety. No doubt swearing to never return. This, you see, is what happens when Tory cuts mean there are no coppers, and thugs know there is no prospect of arrest.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2016, 11:28:50 pm
Southend beat Burton Albion 3 - 1 in tonight's match, a very good result indeed given that Burton are top of the division.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 23 February, 2016, 12:18:26 am
Hmmm.  Rochdale (who are not safe from relegation just yet) also recently beat Burton. Maybe their wheels are coming off.  Shame you're not interested in such things!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2016, 07:21:39 am
I think I would completely ignore SUFC were it not for the fact that I live between the ground and the pub used by the nastiest supporters. It's hard to ignore when you are constantly aware of the risk to damage to you property and have caught football-related inebriates pissing in your garden.

Having said that, for a while I used to share a room with a guy who lived within the shadow of Anfield. You would expect someone in that position to either be a total fan or to hate football. Not this guy: he ignored it. It must have taken enormous force of will, but he did. Mind you, he also told me that he regularly had sex with his sister. Given the number of occasions I would return to our room to find him in bed with a succession of females, I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him.

Takes all sorts.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 April, 2016, 04:41:53 pm
In the return match in the Battle of the Piers, Wigan are 4 - 0 up.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 November, 2016, 05:26:36 pm
Southend's FA Cup run came to a juddering halt last night away to Millwall. Colchester lost today to Chesterfield. It would appear that any remaining Essex interest in the event is placed solidly on the shoulders of Braintree Town, who beat Eastbourne 7 - 0.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 November, 2016, 01:31:35 am
The mighty Dagenham & Redbridge have a replay against Halifax Nil Town.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 November, 2016, 02:30:24 pm
Are the five annexed London boroughs still considered to be part of Essex for fupbol purposes? They are for chess,I know, but fupbol is a different kettle of offal.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 15 November, 2016, 11:53:10 pm
I was aware that Llandysul FC had been winning a bit recently, but wasn't aware of how well until I just checked the cost cutter Ceredigion League 1 table.  (That's the top division, there is no premier)
Games: 10 (7 of which were away)
Points: 30

Blimey!   8)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 November, 2016, 03:29:39 am
How far away from meeting Barcelona in the Champions League final does that put them :P
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 16 November, 2016, 06:23:12 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 19 November, 2016, 05:14:10 pm
Bloody hell!
https://twitter.com/SCards_Football/status/800023352677109760
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 November, 2016, 11:52:38 pm
Good grief! That was a very good win for Southend today. They beat Bradford City 3 - 0 which resulted in BC slumping form second place to 4th in the division. SUFC now undefeated in 6 games...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 January, 2017, 10:52:53 pm
The Bleeders are in the news for having sacked their head groundsman of 27 years' standing. It seems that his inability to prevent very cold weather, which froze the pitch and caused a postponement against Bolton, was what cost him his job.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 January, 2017, 11:43:41 am
He should have got Donald Trump to speak to God on Twitter.  This, apparently, was why it stopped raining1 in DC on Friday.

1: Alternative fact
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2017, 09:52:23 pm
Another very good result for The Bleeders today, beating Sc*nthorpe 3 - 1. Sc*nthorpe are still second, and Saarfend 6th, but the teams above them seem to be shedding points quite regularly.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2017, 07:54:09 pm
A 4 - 1 away win against Peterborough yesterday is pretty impressive. Saarfend now 5th, Peterborough 9th in the table.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 April, 2017, 10:45:13 pm
Southend (form LWWWW) were hosts to Bolton Wanderers (WWWWD) this evening. Bolton were second, Southend 5th. I think it must have attracted the biggest crowd of the season at Roots Hall.

As I cycled home from my choir practice, the ground was emptying. I gained the impression that the atmosphere was a bit subdued. When I arrived home I saw why.

Southend  0 - 1 Bolton (Mark Beevers 90 +0:56)

Edit: I have read that the crowd was 9340.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: runsoncake on 15 April, 2017, 03:37:51 pm
I see my lot gave a boost to your team's points and goal difference totals yesterday, seems !Ike the Spirited have given up defending for Lent this year. League 2 here we come.

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 April, 2017, 10:49:18 pm
Chesterfield? Yes, quite a capitulation. Saarfend have had some very impressive wins this season. Still don't see them getting promoted though.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: runsoncake on 15 April, 2017, 11:28:22 pm
Yep! Chesterfield!! Da***d  autocorrect got the better of me, again. How in the name of wonder did it convert Spireites to spirited, some sort of digital Babelfish malfunction I suppose.
At least you can dream for a while yet .I think my lot are  (channels John Laurie)  Dooomed!

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 April, 2017, 12:32:50 am
I don't support Saarfend. I don't like football. I happen to live very close to the ground so take an interest. The club chairman is only there to try to move them to a totally inappropriate out of town stadium and build a supermarket on the existing site.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 April, 2017, 11:14:04 pm
The season seems to be over. Saarfend finished in 7th place, 1 point behind Millwall. Millwall are in the play-offs, Southend are not. Southend had the better goal difference as well.

I notice that some large, shiny hoardings have been erected advertising the fact that SUFC are moving their training ground to the Fossetts Farm site, the place they have applied for their 22000 seat stadium. http://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/planning-application-submitted-3697081.aspx refers. We have been here before. Planning permission was sought, and granted, for a stadium several years ago. The development didn't go ahead, IIRC because Mr. Sainsbury decided that he already had one house of toothy comestibles in Southend and another would have been gilding the lily rather. This decision may have coincided with 2008 and all that.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2017, 12:32:04 am
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/new-southend-united-stadium-delayed-again-after-site-discovery-of-saxon-kings-cousin-barry/

Will that new stadium ever be built?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 May, 2017, 01:29:05 pm
I see that Millwall, who pipped Saarfend for the 4th play-off spot when they managed to squeeze a winner in the last few minutes of their final match (4 - 3 v Bristol Rovers; 1 point in it and Saarfend had the better goal difference) have won the play-offs and will be in the Championship next season. I understand that Millwall also have stadium issues and that someone representing the club is standing in the general election.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 22 May, 2017, 05:41:24 pm
Didn't Millwall use to be in the old First Division in the late 70s or early 80s?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 May, 2017, 11:20:05 pm
Not that I remember, but my memory of football is probably better of the 1960s and 1970s as I took an interest then.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Millwall_F.C._seasons refers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_in_English_football#First_Division

Yes, you are right.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Veloman on 22 May, 2017, 11:27:23 pm
Didn't Millwall use to be in the old First Division in the late 70s or early 80s?

Ask the internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwall_F.C.#Unbeaten_records_and_the_class_of_.2771:_1966.E2.80.931987 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwall_F.C.#Unbeaten_records_and_the_class_of_.2771:_1966.E2.80.931987)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 23 May, 2017, 12:01:39 am
Millwall were in the Championship a couple of years ago. The sound of their support singing "No one likes us" is one of the most spectacularly chilling things I have heard.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 May, 2017, 09:31:49 am
So I was a decade out!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 August, 2017, 06:42:51 pm
Southend's season has begun curiously.

SUFC 2 - 1 Blackburn Rovers (League 1)
SUFC 0 - 2 Newport County (EFL Cup)

I have never knowingly heard of the EFL Cup before but to beat one of the very successful teams in the first few years of the premiership, and then lose to Newport, who the last time I looked weren't in the league at all, is ... interesting.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 11 August, 2017, 07:02:54 pm
I don't really know much about foop-ball, but I believe that some clubs field completely different teams for cup competitions that they are not really that interested in, particularly if they wish to concentrate limited resources on the league and promotion  The FA take a dim view of this, but it is difficult to prove that a club aren't trying.   As perennial Nearly Boys, this was probably what they decided to do.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 24 September, 2017, 02:28:18 pm
The League Cup.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2017, 02:33:45 pm
The League Cup.

Is there something I should know? I thought Southend were knocked out by Newport a month or more ago?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 24 September, 2017, 02:40:56 pm
You said you'd never heard of the EFL Cup. It's the League Cup. it has been around since 1960.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 January, 2018, 12:48:10 am
Saarfend seem to be sinking fairly rapidly at the moment. They lost 3 - 1  away to Northampton this afternoon, both sides having been knocked out of the FA Cup early on. Northampton are well into the relegation zone, Southend a few points above of them.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2018, 07:06:44 pm
Another loss, this time to Fleetwood. 4 on the trot.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2018, 02:21:06 pm
A key match at the bottom of the table today. Rochdale v Southend.

Each side has lost its last 4 matches. Southend won the match before those, Rochdale drew theirs. Rochdale are deeply embedded in the relegation zone, 9 points behind Southend, who have ony 6 teams below them and a 2-point buffer.

So at least one of those teams will have a better result than recently!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 January, 2018, 04:31:10 pm
Unless the game is postponed due to a waterlogged pitch...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 January, 2018, 04:59:24 pm
I just heard some loud celebratory-type sounds emanating from the football ground as I was having a wander round with the dog. My interpretation was that Southend had been awarded, and had scored from, a penalty (big shout, a hush and then a very big shout) but this has not been confirmed by my electronic devices. The score remains at Southend 2 - 2 Scunthorpe, which seems have been the case for most of the second half.

Edit: a very late goal (90" +2") does indeed seem to have won the game for The Bleeders but it doesn't seem to have been a penalty.

Another edit: that is a very good win for Saarfend, who have lost their previous 4 matches. Scunthorpe are 4th in the division, compared to Southend's 20th at the start of the game. Scunthorpe's season appears to be coming unravelled somewhat as their last win was 5 games ago.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 March, 2018, 10:00:03 pm
Only 3 games in Division 3 survived the weather. One was Southend's, at home to Walsall.

Sadly for the bleeders, those three games, in alphabetical order, yielded the results 0 - 1, 0 - 2 and 0 - 3.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 March, 2018, 08:15:54 pm
Another spectacular defeat today, at the hands of Plymouth. 4 - 0.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 April, 2018, 10:05:53 pm
To my great surprise, my train yesterday - the 7.10am rom Southend Central to Fenchurch Street - was very crowded with SUFC supporters. They were on their way to darkest Lancasher-fa-la-la for a match against Blackburn Rovers. Lord knows how much these guys must have blown on rail and ground tickets, not to mention "beer" (nasty USAnian lager was being quaffed). They seemed quite cheerful. I don't know what they would have been like on the return journey. Blackburn won 1 - 0.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 08 April, 2018, 11:46:09 pm
That's a good result against Blackburn.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: madcow on 22 July, 2018, 12:15:49 am
Southend are playing against Leeds United tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 July, 2018, 10:50:09 am
Haven't you got that the wrong way round?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: madcow on 31 July, 2018, 11:56:16 pm
1-1 draw so it could be any way round.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 August, 2018, 06:54:16 pm
A game of two halves for Southend today. 0 - 0 at half time, 3 - 0 down after 70 minutes, came back for a less ignominious 3 - 2.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 04 August, 2018, 09:44:16 pm
The season is only a day old and Rochdale are already undefeated!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 04 August, 2018, 11:28:53 pm
Fish 1 - 4 Vegans
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 05 August, 2018, 01:33:36 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2019, 12:40:18 am
I've been neglecting Southend for a while and they have clearly suffered as a result of my inattention. They are now only one place above the relegation zone, and that's as a result pf goal difference. Yet still the crooked management are pushing ahead for a 26,000* seat out-of-town stadium and to sell the existing site so that yet another supermarket can be built.

*Southend's typical home crowd is a great deal less than this and their existing 12,000 seat stadium is easily big enough for them. That 26,000 figure seems to be changeable, but that was what was proposed the last time I looked.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 April, 2019, 06:25:38 pm
Southend managed a draw at Fleetwood this afternoon, a good result for them. However, only goal difference has them out of the relegation zone, so life is far from comfortable for them.

I have just noticed that 3 points cover 7 out of the 8 teams at the bottom of the League 1 table. There was a curious vagary of the fixture list this afternoon as none of the teams in the bottom half managed to win a game, and only one of the teams in the top half lost one.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 April, 2019, 05:02:47 pm
A 2 - 0 loss at home to lowly Wycombe Wandererererers this afternoon. Southend are now deep in the relegation zone. They haven't been in League Division IV for quite some time.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 April, 2019, 05:18:52 pm
And an away draw at Walsall, a result that didn't do either side any good, since Southend are 22nd and Walsall are 23rd. Only 3 games to go now.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 April, 2019, 07:31:10 pm
A win v Burton Albion. Southend are now one point out of the relegation zone. The tension is morbid.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 April, 2019, 05:34:18 pm
With one match to play, Southend are poised. They are on 47 points, outside the bottom 4 on goal difference only. It's squeaky bum time for them though as two out of the three teams below them can overtake them next week if they lose at home to Sunderland. Sunderland themselves have been coasting lately: they are assured of a place in the playoffs, cannot break into the top 2, and their last 5 games have been DLWDD.

Indeed, Southend really need to win as Plymouth and Scunthorpe play one another next weekend. The winner of that match will overtake, and therefore relegate, Southend, and if it's drawn, Plymouth, currently below Southend on goal difference, will overtake them. The other team who might overtake Southend are Walsall, away to fellow strugglers Shrewsbury. Walsall won 3 - 0 yesterday.

I don't know if this will have any implications for the totally ludicrous planning application which is still ongoing for SUFC to build an out-of-town stadium about twice the size of their existing ground, when they very rarely get a capacity crowd (12000) in any case.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 28 April, 2019, 07:09:46 pm
These end of season permutations are quite stressful, and my experience of being in charge of your own destiny hasn’t been good! Here’s hoping Sunderland don’t care enough.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 April, 2019, 09:18:30 pm
These end of season permutations are quite stressful, and my experience of being in charge of your own destiny hasn’t been good! Here’s hoping Sunderland don’t care enough.

I'm not unduly bothered, tbh. I can't support a team that hasn't a pot to piss in and is entirely at the whim of an inordinately wealthy businessman with dubious moral standards (that probably applies to most British teams). Given that the ground is less than a quarter of a mile from my house and we live on the route that the fans take from the nearest station, I take an interest - a keen interest. My reference to the ridiculous planning application for a bigger stadium about a mile away from the nearest houses is what makes me want them to stay in lower divisions. No-one has suggested building a new stadium on their existing site - very close to two stations and local housing where many of the fans live, and who would have about 2 miles of walking to do to get to the new (proposed) site. The old stadium is pretty shitty, and if football teams were in the hands of their supporters I would definitely be a supporter. But they are not, and I am not.

But that particular permutation of possible outcomes is very interesting. I will be following next weekend, I can assure you of that, but I won't be depressed or elated with the results, whichever way they go. Funnily enough, the last (or was it second last?) time I watched them was with My Mate Terry Who Art In Sibton and that was against Terry's team, Sunderland. On that occasion, SUFC were in the Championship and they outclassed Sunderland in an early season game - 3 - 1 IIRC. At the end of the season, Sunderland were champions and Southend were relegated.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2019, 06:18:22 pm
Plymouth are 2 - 0 up against Scunthorpe (both teams were below Southend at the start of today's games) so are ahead of Southend with half time looming. It seems that all League 1 matches kicked off at 5.30 today. Southend v Sunderland remains at 0 - 0.

And before I could hit the "post" button, Southend have scored and have therefore leap-frogged Plymouth again. How exciting!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2019, 06:59:14 pm
Latest:

Plymouth 2 - 2 Scunthorpe
Southend 1 - 0 Sunderland.

That give Southend an insurance policy because they can afford to draw with Sunderland as long as the other game is drawn and Walsall don't win.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2019, 07:12:41 pm
And it's "Oh bugger" time for Southend supporters.

Latest:

Plymouth 3 - 2 Scunthorpe
Southend 1 - 1 Sunderland

There can't be much longer left.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2019, 07:24:18 pm
Southend 2 - 1 Sunderland. 87 minutes...  ;D

Edit: and that's how it stayed. Southend survive in League 1 for another season. Interestingly, they overtook Wimbledon, who also survived. Wimbledon were unbeaten in their last 5 matches.
Title: Re:Non-Premier League Football
Post by: De Sisti on 05 May, 2019, 09:18:59 am
Bury have been promoted to League One*  :thumbsup: (despite a blip in their end of season form and the
off-field goings on).


*..and will be playing Southend United next season.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 May, 2019, 10:04:50 am
More than 10,000 people went to Roots Hall to watch Saturday's match. That's close to the numbers they get when they are doing really well. I'm glad the fans were rewarded firstly with an exciting match and secondly, the win they needed to stay up. My Mate Terry Who Art In Sibton, a lifelong Sunderland supporter and an ancien of the 1973 FA Cup Final, texted me straight after the game to say that Southend were worthy winners. Terry does little these days other than sit in front of a computer or a television watching sport, so he must somehow have found a channel that was live-streaming the match. I'm so old-fashioned that I struggle to get my head around the idea that anyone would bother to do that for such a lowly event.
Title: Re:Non-Premier League Football
Post by: De Sisti on 23 August, 2019, 08:11:56 am
Bury have been promoted to League One*  :thumbsup: (despite a blip in their end of season form and the
off-field goings on).


*..and will be playing Southend United next season.
Isn't Bury's chairman (Steve Dale), the guy who bought the club for £1, one of those guys who
buys up companies on the cheap in order to strip them down and then sell for a huge profit?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: SteveC on 23 August, 2019, 08:43:48 am
According to the Toady programme this morning, yes.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 August, 2019, 06:31:37 pm
Southend is the only team in the football league to have played 5 lost 5.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 August, 2019, 06:39:45 pm
P6L6.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 September, 2019, 05:39:33 pm
Southend have just ruined their perfect record by drawing with Fleetwood. A very good result for Southend as Fleetwood were 4th. 3 - 3 the score, Southend equalising in the 87th minute.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 September, 2019, 06:55:19 pm
An away win for Saarfend against MK Dons, whom I reckon will not be m'kay about it.

Southend scored in the 4th minute. Thereafter, it was pretty well all MKD. They had 65% of the possession, 15 off-target shots to Southend's 7 (on-target shots were 4 apiece), 10 corners to Southend's 2, 5 fouls to Southend's 9, 1 player booked to Southend's 4.

It's a funny old game, David.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 23 September, 2019, 12:14:45 pm
Going back a fair few years. Actually to the mid to late 90s I had a great history teacher and Southend fan called Graham Coxell. He was a fannof the Southend but finally admitted he couldn't face going to watch them any more as was too depressing
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 October, 2019, 05:24:02 pm
A 1 - 4 home loss to Wimbledon today. That's possibly the worst result of the season so far. Wimbledon were 1 place a head of Southend and in one leap they are free of the relegation zone, albeit by goal difference ahead of Tranmere.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 November, 2019, 09:46:56 pm
Another loss for the poor old Bleeders today - Sunderland away. They are second from bottom of League 1 on 5 points from 16 games. Only Bolton Wanderers are below them, by virtue of having been docked a vast number of points at the start of the season for financial irregularities/not having a pot to piss in. But Bolton have won their past two games and against relatively well-placed sides so they appear to be digging themselves out of their hole.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 November, 2019, 09:59:56 pm
I have learned that Sol Campbell is now Southend's manager. This was his second game in charge, it seems.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 November, 2019, 10:02:44 pm
A 1 - 4 home loss to Wimbledon today. That's possibly the worst result of the season so far. Wimbledon were 1 place a head of Southend and in one leap they are free of the relegation zone, albeit by goal difference ahead of Tranmere.

After that, Southend lost 7 - 1 at home to Doncaster. That was a Tuesday game that I had overlooked.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 November, 2019, 04:11:25 pm
Southend’s FA Cup run came to an end very abruptly at the hands, or feet, of non-league Dover. At least that wasn’t the most ignominious defeat for a football league team. That was a 4 - 0 home defeat for Macclesfield by Kingstonians (Surrey? Hull? Jamaica?)

I suppose a fairly arcane quiz question would be “What have Southend inherited from Macclesfield?”, to which the answer is “Sol Campbell”, who a few weeks ago was allowed to terminate his contract at Macclesfield “by mutual consent”. There seems to have been some talk of a players’ strike at Macclesfield threatening the very existence of today’s game. Maybe the players settled for a go-slow instead. Mr. Campbell’s managerial career does not seem to be going well.

The other result that caught my eye was Leyton Orient 1 - 2 Maldon & Tiptree. Jammy lot.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 11 November, 2019, 09:43:39 am
I suppose a fairly arcane quiz question would be “What have Southend inherited from Macclesfield?”, to which the answer is “Sol Campbell”, who a few weeks ago was allowed to terminate his contract at Macclesfield “by mutual consent”. There seems to have been some talk of a players’ strike at Macclesfield threatening the very existence of today’s game. Maybe the players settled for a go-slow instead. Mr. Campbell’s managerial career does not seem to be going well.
Macclesfield almost went bust last year (and didn't pay the players for months at a time) and Campbell did a great job in dragging them away from relegation. He doesn't seem to have worked at the most stable or high achieving clubs - I don't know whether that's because he has a reputation for rescuing impossible situations, or because only desperate clubs are prepared to give him a chance.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 11 November, 2019, 10:54:22 am
Macclesfield fielded a youth team, so Kingstonian's win is not as remarkable as it might have seemed at first sight.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 November, 2019, 06:33:35 pm
Another 4 - 0 home defeat for Southend, meaning that for the second time this season they have lost 5 consecutive league games. I had been anticipating Bolton, who are below them in the table only because they had 12 point deducted at the start of the season, reducing the deficit to 1 point. Bolton had won their previous three games but close neighbours Accrington Stan gave them a 7 - 1 drubbing.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 26 November, 2019, 09:36:15 pm
Bloody hell.   Hardly Poo Untied have scored six goals tonight.
And are consequently 5-1 up.  :facepalm:  ::-)
And the game isn't over yet.
In all my years of following their fortunes, I don't think I've ever seen 5 by their name.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 November, 2019, 11:49:58 pm
Hang on a tick.

Are Chesterfield non-league?

The Chesterfield who earned, but were deprived of, a place in the FA cup final when their perfectly good goal against Middlesborough was disallowed?

When did that happen?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Greenbank on 27 November, 2019, 07:40:27 am
Non-League the last couple of years.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/ChesterfieldFC_League_Performance.svg)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 November, 2019, 10:14:20 pm
The Jammers' (Maldon & Tiptree) cup run came to an end this evening with a 1 - 0 home loss to Newport County.

I can't see any sign of Colchester being left in the competition, so West Ham is the last Essex hope, if you still count West Ham as Essex.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Andrij on 30 November, 2019, 08:50:33 am
The Jammers' (Maldon & Tiptree) cup run came to an end this evening with a 1 - 0 home loss to Newport County.

I can't see any sign of Colchester being left in the competition, so West Ham is the last Essex hope, if you still count West Ham as Essex.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the iron works from which sprang forth the club was south of the river, so Kent (a bit west from that other famous Kentish club - Arsenal).  By modern reckoning, they're within the North Circular, so London; Dagenham is definitely Essex (IMHO).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 November, 2019, 10:03:52 am
When I last selected county chess teams, we counted as Essex all 5 of the London boroughs Havering, Redbridge, Waltham Forest, Barking & Dagenham and Newham. That would have included Upton Park and the current Stratford stadium.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 November, 2019, 12:27:07 pm
Before they knocked it down to build the Olympic Park, the wall separating the sports centre from the main road near the late lamented Eastway cycle circuit had "Leyton, Essex" painted on it in large, friendly and very faded letters.  West Ham now play their home games in the Olympic Stadium.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 December, 2019, 12:22:26 am
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/06/sol-campbell-southend-manager-interview-people-got-wrong-end-stick
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 December, 2019, 09:24:17 pm
Poor old Saarfend. They lost 3 - 2 to bottom club Bolton. Southend are now on 7 points, Bolton on 5. Bolton started the season on -12. Southend have played 22 games, which is more than any other team in the division.

Sadly for Bolton, they would still be in the bottom 3 even if they hadn't had those points deducted.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 22 December, 2019, 03:51:01 pm
The Jammers' (Maldon & Tiptree) cup run came to an end this evening with a 1 - 0 home loss to Newport County.

I can't see any sign of Colchester being left in the competition, so West Ham is the last Essex hope, if you still count West Ham as Essex.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the iron works from which sprang forth the club was south of the river, so Kent (a bit west from that other famous Kentish club - Arsenal).  By modern reckoning, they're within the North Circular, so London; Dagenham is definitely Essex (IMHO).
Well I didn't know that. Perhaps that means Wow can start following Canterbury City?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 22 December, 2019, 03:54:04 pm
Canning Town according to Wikipedia:
Quote
Thames Ironworks Football Club, the club that later became West Ham United, was founded by Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Co. Ltd owner Arnold Hills and foreman Dave Taylor in 1895. Thames Ironworks took over the tenancy of The Old Castle Swifts' Hermit Road ground in Canning Town until their eventual eviction in October 1896.
So that would make them Essex all along, even if only by a river's width.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 December, 2019, 10:00:33 am
Which brings us back to the homespun definition o Essex that I used to use when selecting chess teams:

North of the Thames
East of the Lea
South of the Stour
West of the Sea.

Hermit Road is quite definitely all of those things.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2020, 05:05:55 pm
Southend are on a roll. 4 games without defeat and today they doubled their tally of wins this season, courtesy of Accrington Stanley. They are now only 12 points into the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 18 January, 2020, 05:14:38 pm
Wow, I always check this thread, partly because of novelty of the title (not many people would include Sarfend and fupball in the same book, let alone phrase) but also because you have a refreshing attitude to the nonsense that is professional football!  Not only did Southend win, but they did it about as far away from home as it's possible to get in that division and at the home of, reputedly, the best pies in football.  Looks like Accrington ate them all!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2020, 08:40:35 pm
In the very dim & distant past, I used to play rugby. I was a prop forward for our college team.

There was an occasion when the D. Telegraph covered one of our games. I think they had an attitude to sport, a bit like this thread, in which they would delve into the lower echelons just for the fun of it. The week they covered our game, we lost 108 - 0, the try being only 3 points. I don't recall who the opposition was, and I wasn't in the team that week.

The following week we played Preston Polytechnic at Preston Grasshopper's ground, and we lost 66 - 0. That was perhaps the least painful game I have ever played. I didn't have to do much. The opposition's scrum wasn't very big, but they were very fit and tight-knit. We never got the ball and they didn't cheat. Their wings and centres were fit and fast. They just scored whenever they wanted, which was at almost a point a minute.

I don't mention this out of sheer arrogance, despite my presence in the team making a difference of 42 points. It was more down to the pies. As we lay back, luxuriating in a traditional rugby club's communal bath, some old guy hobbled round with a huge tray of delicious hot pies. Whether they were sourced from Accrington I cannot say, but they were most welcome. One wag in our team asked, deadpan, "What are these made of? Last week's opponents?"
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 18 January, 2020, 09:49:17 pm
Did Holland's pies ever get as far as Lytham?  They are legendary around here and they are delivered in fine old-style liveried vans of chocolate and emerald.  I think that strictly they are from Baxenden, which is in the Accrington foothills.  I think the cheese and onion ones we get from the chip-shop are Hollands, too.

Those are pretty impressive scorelines - very British, somehow.   I owe my now almost totally useless arthritic knee to the pursuit (not always successful) of slightly less British results at school and university!  Cartilege out at 18.  I played full-back - if you were prepared to play no. 15 you could always get a game!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2020, 10:07:00 pm
Sadly, I have been absent from the County Palatine so long that I have never knowingly heard of Holland's pies.

I did a teaching practice in Lytham, but other than that I don't think I ever went there.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2020, 08:34:10 am
Southend and Bolton, the bottom 2, both won yesterday. Southend beat Lincoln 2-1. Lincoln equalised on 89 minutes and Southend’s winner arrived 6 minutes later. Exciting stuff!

Southend have now garnered 8 points from their last 5 games, which is the same number as were yielded by the previous 23. They have 16 games left and are 12 points behind AFC Wimbledon, who are outside the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2020, 11:34:34 pm
Since I last posted, poor old Southend have notched up another 4 consecutive losses. I was driving home from choir as the ground was emptying tonight. They still seem to be getting a lot more support than I would have expected for such a dire team. For most home matches they seem to be getting over 6000 turning up.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 19 February, 2020, 03:02:47 pm
More likely to be opposition fans enjoying a certain away win!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2020, 03:37:47 pm
An awful lot of them seemed to be wearing Southend's colours.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 19 February, 2020, 09:56:56 pm
Oh dear!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2020, 10:56:10 pm
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southend-united/attendances shows Southend's home crowds. There seems to be a tendency for nearer away teams to draw larger crowds. Ipswich, who drew the largest attendance, were doing very well earlier in the season and it's possible to travel from Ipswich to Southend in under 90 minutes by both rail and road.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southend-united/attendances refers.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 20 February, 2020, 12:13:40 am
Ipswich to Southend by rail - the romance.  I'm thinking "Death On The (Leyton) Orient Express"!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2020, 05:33:49 pm
Excitement at the end of the match today as Burton's player managed an injury time own goal to bring the score to Southend 2 - 3 Burton.

That's teh 3rd separate run of 5 consecutive losses that southend have had this season. Impressive!

Meanwhile, fellow-stragglers Bolton and Tranmere both lost. Wimbledon, in 20th position, are looking pretty safe.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 17 March, 2020, 06:22:21 pm
Was listening to an EFL podcast just now, and it mentioned Southend as being particularly precarious. Something like £600k owed, players not all been paid, etc. Gate receipts from the 5 home games scheduled (with Sunderland, Portsmouth and one other big club) could have made a dent, but behind closed doors...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 March, 2020, 11:25:16 pm
Southend have been in dire straits for a very long time. Their owner, Ron Martin, regularly bails the out when their VAT is due.

He has ludicrous plans to build a (IIRC) 22000 seat stadium for a team that averages about 5000 per match.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 May, 2020, 05:58:13 pm
Today I became aware of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyIoFbuOSLQ

I've never watched the entire match before. Amazing to think that Southend beat a team including Rooney & Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Greenbank on 09 May, 2020, 09:07:09 pm
Amazing to think that Southend beat a team including Rooney & Ronaldo.

"We" beat Man U 0-0 in the FA Cup 4th round[1]. Their team included De Gea, Di Maria, Daley Blind, Macrus Rojo, Felliaini, Luke Shaw (as a sub), Januzaj, Falcao, Van Persie (as a sub). Not the pinnacle of Man U teams but hardly a B-team and still plenty of established internationals (many of them just didn't gel together).

Earned a very lucrative replay at Old Trafford (clubs share the gate receipts 50:50 from FA Cup games), it was worth something like £1.5m along with prize money.

Shows just how unequal the money is in football. I read somewhere that the monthly wages of just a few of the top earning Premier League players could wipe out all of the debts of EVERY club below the Championship.

The current football club owners are generally going to get screwed, but the clubs will come back in the future, hopefully run as phoenix clubs that have a solid vision for ownership and strategy rather than being used as debt sinks and tax write-offs for many of the current unscrupulous owners.

1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30843611
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 September, 2020, 02:45:31 pm
I was idly speculating (I do that a lot) about Southend and wondering when they were going to start playing again. A quick google revealed that it will be next week, and they become the first team ever to play Harrogate Town in the Football League. I suspect that they might become the first team to lose to Harrogate Town in the Football League...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 September, 2020, 04:50:37 pm
Oh dear...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2020, 06:04:13 pm
And I repeat, oh dear.

I noticed that Southend were 1 - 0 up into the second half and I wondered if this might be their day. However, once again they flattered to deceive and Morecambe scored twice in the second half to secure the win. I had a look at the Graun's match statistics and, if they are accurate, Southend had over 60% of the possession but didn't manage a single shot on target. It turns out that Southend took the lead after 5 minutes, courtesy of an own goal.

All of this leads to a serious point: what is the purpose of a "football"club that has no money, is entirely dependent on an owner who is only in it for the property development potential and whose supporters cannot get to the games. I can't remember the current state of the planning permission that Southend Borough Council have/have not yet granted to the club for its new stadium, but the sheer stupidity of such a project really is brought in to focus by the team's current performance.

Oh, and SUFC owe HMRC £500000. Ron Martin, the owner, has promised to pay that - not for the first time.

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/18748425.southend-united-chairman-ron-martin-promises-pay-off-outstanding-tax-bill/?ref=ar

Edit: it seems that Morecambe's nickname is "The Shrimps". Southend's is "The Shrimpers". A crustacean version of "Man bites Dog".
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 October, 2020, 05:22:25 pm
Poor old Saarfend were 2 - 1 up until the fifth minute of injury time...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Greenbank on 22 October, 2020, 12:15:08 am
And the uglier side of football: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-54633785
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 October, 2020, 09:45:22 am
That case was absolutely heart-rending. The pub where that assault started is about 100 yards from my house.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 22 October, 2020, 12:14:48 pm
You just despair:-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-53408415 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-53408415)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 October, 2020, 07:42:14 pm
Another loss for Southend makes it 5 in a row and the are now 2 points adrift at the bottom of "League 2". Scuthorpe, immediately above them, have also lost 5 in a row.

Last season, I think I counted 3 separate runs of 5 consecutive losses for Southend.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 02 November, 2020, 12:19:04 pm
Here's some League 2 stats...

https://experimental361.com/2020/11/01/scatter-graphics-league-2-1-nov-2020/
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 November, 2020, 02:09:00 pm
Here's some League 2 stats...

https://experimental361.com/2020/11/01/scatter-graphics-league-2-1-nov-2020/

Oh dear, not again...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 02 November, 2020, 02:17:16 pm
I may have mentioned it before, Wow, but the title is a bit of the reverse of a self-fulfilling prophecy: putting Southend and football in the same phrase was asking for trouble!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 November, 2020, 12:43:46 am
They beat Manchester United once, I'll have you know. I reckon there's a fair chance it was more recent that the last time Newcastle beat Man U... ;)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 03 November, 2020, 01:47:26 pm
[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49868087]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49868087][url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49868087 (http://[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49868087)[/url]

When was Southend's victory?  Certainly a remarkable result, any way!

But the thread is about Southend.  I would hesitate to put my beloved Newcastle and "football" in the same phrase, too!

EDIT:  Found it!  Early 2000s, when Southend were actually in the second division.  A 1-0 toy town cup victory over a team that contained Ronaldo and Rooney and nine other internationals.  Excellent!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 November, 2020, 03:49:39 pm
I was out for a bike ride at the time and I could hear the crowd from about 3 miles away.

Fairly recently, I found the entire match on Youtube and watched the lot. Quite entertaining.

I think that may have been the season in which I went to watch Sunderland, with My Mate Terry Who art in Sibton, play at Roots Hall. It was one of the first matches of the season and Southend won 3 - 1. The waifs and strays who had made the journey were chanting helpful things like "You're not fit to wear the shirt!" At the end of the season Sunderland were champions and Southend relegated.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 November, 2020, 11:40:33 pm
Tomorrow could be an embarrassing one for Southend. They play away at Borehamwood in the FA Cup. Borehamwood (for some reason their website calls them Boreham Wood) play in the Vanarama National League and are mid-table. Given Southend's recent form I would say that Borehamwood are hot favourites.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 November, 2020, 11:57:55 am
An exciting match? Or will it boreham wooden?









Taxi!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 November, 2020, 10:54:27 pm
Looks to have been an exciting match. 3 - 3 after extra time and then Southend lost on penalties.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 08 November, 2020, 02:25:02 am
It’s Boreham Wood.

And they have a nice little ground wot I have been to.

And they beat Sarfend on penalties.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 13 November, 2020, 12:03:34 pm
Goops.

Fans lock the gates at Southend's ground after narrow defeat... (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54908117)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 November, 2020, 05:02:38 pm
Good grief! Southend won 1 - 0 at Walsall. They scored after 88 minutes.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 November, 2020, 06:41:45 pm
Southend v Cambridge was postponed because Southend players had tested positive for Covid-19.

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Saturday's League Two game between Southend United and Cambridge United has been postponed because of positive coronavirus tests.

The Shrimpers said a "small number" of players have Covid-19.

However, they claim to only have 10 fit outfield players and two goalkeepers available to play, so say they are unable to fulfil the fixture.

Cambridge say they received an email from Southend at 21:40 GMT on Friday requesting the match be called off.

"The club is following all of Public Health England and the English Football League's Covid-19 protocols," said a statement on the Southend website.

Cambridge say further details for the game will be confirmed in due course, but feel the match at Roots Hall should have gone ahead.

"Cambridge United have made representation to both the English Football League and Southend to express our disappointment and that we feel it would still be possible for the fixture to be played," a club statement said.

An EFL statement said: "The circumstances will now be the subject of investigation in accordance with EFL Regulations."

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55025064

Something tells me that Southend will now be subject to some disciplinary measure - they had 12 fit players according to that, so they are probably in breach of some rule or other.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 24 November, 2020, 06:00:41 pm
In theory they have a crunch match tonight....
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 November, 2020, 06:14:08 pm
How very exciting! Forest Green Rovers must be quaking in their not-leather boots at the prospect. Southend are on a run of 1 win at the moment.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2020, 08:43:14 pm
Good grief! Southend won a game, Scunthorpe the victims.

Southend are now only 4 points adrift at the foot of the table and have a 50% record over their past 5 league games. I reckon it's bee a couple of years since they managed that sort of consistency.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 13 December, 2020, 03:18:05 pm
Not true: lack of consistency is not their problem - just the wrong kind of consistency!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 December, 2020, 07:10:09 pm
I did say "that sort of consistency"!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 December, 2020, 12:30:21 am
Not true: lack of consistency is not their problem - just the wrong kind of consistency!

They're consistently inconsistent?
</Ronald_Dumsfeld>
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 14 December, 2020, 06:23:10 pm
If they persist with the consistency of their inconsistent existence, their existence may desist.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 15 December, 2020, 01:09:29 pm
I did say "that sort of consistency"!

You did, too!  Mea Culpa, P!

As well as also. nice touch, Dave.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 December, 2020, 09:17:30 am
Good grief! Southend explore another type of consistency - two wins on the trot!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/match/2020/dec/15/southend-v-grimsby

The overall match statistics make for interesting interpretation.

They have now had as many wins in 2 games as the 5 teams above them have had in the last 25!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 16 December, 2020, 09:26:10 am
Sounds like a good game: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55225630
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 December, 2020, 09:44:24 am
Sounds like a good game: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55225630

I think that report misleads somewhat:

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Greg Halford scored on his debut as Southend secured back-to-back wins for the first time since October 2018 with victory against 10-man Grimsby at Roots Hall.

Grimsby only became "10-man Grimsby" in the 4th minute of injury time at the end of the second half!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Greenbank on 16 December, 2020, 10:13:08 am
A lot of the content for the reports is auto-generated by a computer.

Scorers: Any interesting facts? 100th goal for the club, first goal for X months, debut, etc...

Team get a red card -> "10-man X", two red cards -> "9-max X" etc...

Red card for each team -> "Fractious game" or "Bad-tempered match", etc.

Look at team's form/record -> "back-to-back wins for the first time since X", or "Fifty game on the bounce".

Individual record against that team -> "beating them for the first time in N games since X"

Much cheaper than sending a reporter to each game!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Salvatore on 16 December, 2020, 01:06:32 pm
bounce".

Much cheaper than sending a reporter to each game!

Sending a reporter wasn't necessarily better.

I'm just about old enough to remember Saturday evening football papers, usually printed on green or pink paper, which were the only way to get any sort of match report until the following week especially for any matches outside the first division, or worse still, non-league. The problem was often that a reporter would phone in a report at half-time, but time and space constraints meant that any news of the second half was abbreviated to names of scorers or missing completely.

Can you imagine the dismay felt by the 10-year-old Gainsborough Trinity supporter seeing this headline in the Football Post (Nottingham) in November 1966?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50726277167_5d3030473d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2khvqVD)


Reading the following column-inches about Ilkeston's dominance didn't do anything to lighten the mood until a couple of lines tacked on the end as an afterthought.

(click to show/hide)

A reporter phoning in copy   (https://youtu.be/1p5ZMaWx8Q8?t=2161) from a 1963 BBC documentary about Swindon Town - well worth watching the whole thing IMO. A bygone age.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 December, 2020, 06:37:11 pm
Another draw yesterday. Southend have now gone 4 games without defeat, and that brings them level with Stevenage on points. Southend are still bottom on a goal difference of -20 compared to Stevenage's -9. Sadly for Southend, the two teams above Stevenage both won, so escape from the bottom 2 is further away now than it was before yesterday's round of matches.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 December, 2020, 04:13:00 pm
Something very odd going on ....
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 December, 2020, 06:26:11 pm
Indeed! Southend are off the bottom, unbeaten for 5 games. Southend's next match is away to Leyton Orient, who have lost 4 out of their last 5 games. Southend are 2 points ahead of Stevenage and 3 behind Grimsby. If Southend win and Grimsby lose the next games, then Southend will overtake them on goal difference.

Astonishing times.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2021, 04:25:21 pm
Southend stand a chance of overtaking a couple of teams this afternoon. The bottom of the League 2 table relegation avoidance race is really hotting up now. Southend are bottom on 19 points but in their current match they are down to 10 men (someone called Halford was sent off in the second half after being booked earlier - I suppose as cyclists we might celebrate the dismissal of someone with that surname) after having taken a 1 - 0 lead over Barrow in the third minute. Barrow are one of three teams on 20 points, and Southend have a game in hand over two of them.

It's 4.25. Can Southend hold out until full time? I think they will have something like 20 minutes more to play. Barrow has had over 60% of the possession.

Edit: yes they can! The sending-off was early in the second half. this win allows Southend to leapfrog 3 teams, all on 20 points, and Grimsby's 3 - 0 looks means that their goal difference is even worse than Southend's.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 09 January, 2021, 05:20:00 pm
 :thumbsup:
Still bottom though.  But with a much improved chance of performing the great escape.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2021, 05:31:08 pm
:thumbsup:
Still bottom though.  But with a much improved chance of performing the great escape.

They shouldn't be - they were on 19 points before today's match. The tables just haven't been updated yet.

Edit: unless I have just been thoroughly confused.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 09 January, 2021, 05:33:01 pm
:thumbsup:
Still bottom though.  But with a much improved chance of performing the great escape.

They shouldn't be - they were on 19 points before today's match. The tables just haven't been updated yet.

If Trump were a Southend supporter.  ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2021, 05:36:01 pm
I have to confess that I first looked at this afternoon's scores before half-time, but when Southend were 1 - 0 up - they scored in the 3rd minute. Do they bugger about with the tables based on a latest score in an unfinished match? Why would they do that?

Yours sincerely, Confused of Southend.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Nuncio on 09 January, 2021, 07:22:17 pm
The BBC does that, yes, but not the 'form' bit showing last 5 games. As you say, confusing.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 10 January, 2021, 10:10:45 am
The BBC does it, I think, to try to make things simpler.  Otherwise, you can end up having to work out all the permutations from about 6 or 7 games at once (especially if you're looking at mid-table where you can have 8 teams or more within 3 points of each other).
Did Southend lose many players back from loan?  I think Newport had 5 or 6 recalled to their parent clubs (including a couple who started most of the games), but have been getting more loanees in.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2021, 08:05:52 pm
I have no idea about loan players. I only ever look at the results on the day, and completely forget Southend United's existence at other times.

Which reminds me - I must file an objection to their planning application regarding their proposed new stadium.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2021, 05:14:37 pm
An "as you were" day in League Division 4 today. Southend, bottom, drew 0 - 0 away to Grimsby (1 point ahead of Southend but with a worse goal difference). Every team bar 1 from positions 14 to 24 has drawn their last game. Three points cover the bottom 5 teams. It's all to play for, Davit...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 16 January, 2021, 07:35:10 pm
It's super tight at the top too - 7th place is only 3 points behind top (though the top 2 have played fewer games). And teams 2,3,4,5,and 6 all drew (2 and 5 were playing each other).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2021, 12:41:19 pm
Mansfield at home today for the Bleeders. I had failed to spot that they lost 2-1 at home to Cambridge during the week, but Cambridge are top of the table. No surprise there, other than the closeness of the result, perhaps, and that Southend were 1 - 0 up at half time.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2021, 03:39:43 pm
The BBC does that, yes, but not the 'form' bit showing last 5 games. As you say, confusing.

That misleading thing is going on again.

Grimsby have finished, losing 3 - 0 to Scunthorpe. Southend are still 0 - 0 against Mansfield. Both Grimsby's result, and Southend's latest score, have been added to the table, but the last 5 results are as they were/are up to the latest completed match. Thus, at the moment, Southend are off the bottom by virtue of Grimsby's goal difference being even worse than Southend's. But, should Mansfield win, then Southend will be back at the bottom again.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 23 January, 2021, 05:32:49 pm
Which will not be the BBC's fault, I think!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 23 January, 2021, 05:37:02 pm
There's normally a clue when they are putting in the active match 'results'

"As it stands"

It's a kind of thing that Football fans do, most particularly on the last day of the season.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 10 February, 2021, 08:06:38 am
Off the bottom thanks to a win away at Newport. Sounds like a relatively even game, and given where Newport are it looks like a great result for Southend. Level on points with Barrow is hopeful they can get out of the relegation zone (though Barrow's goal difference is so much better it's like half a point).

Newport have been atrocious since losing the FA Cup game in early January.  We were top of the league then - since we've drawn 3, lost 3, won 1, and had 4 red cards! The transfer window also had 10 players out and 7 in! They are 5th, but it's super tight at the top - a win would have put them 2nd and they are only 1 point ahead of 8th!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2021, 12:53:44 pm
Crikey! I hadn't actually spotted that they were playing.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2021, 05:43:57 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/football/match/4218739

Judging by their respective positions in teh division, that was a very respectable result for Southend. But - 10 corners to 4 sounds quite good. 13 shots off target, 0 on target is not the way to win games.

And, incredibly, Southend are now 3rd from bottom.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 24 February, 2021, 06:24:31 pm
They are playing up the road. And they are 0-1 up!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 24 February, 2021, 07:35:25 pm
Now it is 0-3!!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 February, 2021, 10:01:51 pm
Good grief! FGR had 62% of the possession according to the stats I saw. Is it a judgement on Dale Vince working with the D. Express?  :P

Curiously, all of the bottom 3 (Southend, Barrow and Grimsby) won their last game. I wonder how often that happens?

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2021, 10:46:13 am
Good grief! FGR had 62% of the possession according to the stats I saw. Is it a judgement on Dale Vince working with the D. Express?  :P

Curiously, all of the bottom 3 (Southend, Barrow and Grimsby) won their last game. I wonder how often that happens?

Or supporting the Green Party??
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2021, 11:34:24 am
Or <unprintable - ed>
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2021, 12:17:11 pm
J, you may remember I started following FGR because they were a bit of a fairy story and after years of supporting Newcastle (which I still do) I needed a fairy story in black and white stripes, which they wore back when.  I'm also a veggie.  But you are much closer than I.  The Southend result seems to me like the strangest thing that's happened in the long story?  What's your take?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2021, 12:34:23 pm
I think they would have been promoted before with a different manager, I think Cooper has his moments, but more importantly he has his favourites. Having said that credit to Vince for sticking with managers, Cooper is the 6th longest serving manager in the Football League. They play badly against lower teams, and also they struggle if someone plays them at their game. Not often a Plan B.

I love the Vegan food, it is very tasty, which one or two from here could testify to, and the club ethos. It is helping to change the world. Great stuff!

What I do not like is the Rushden and Diamonds approach to football club ownership. I have said to him that in order to truly show greenness, the club should be making the New Lawn a paragon of sustainability, not knocking it down, replacing it with 90 houses and no jobs, and relocating in a brand new stadium by a motorway junction. I get that the catchment area includes south Gloucester, but hey, how are fans coming to a stadium by a motorway going to arrive? Plus why build a 5,000 seater stadium for a club that is pushing for promotion, when you already have a stadium with 5,000 capacity?

Many clubs have no parking and poor road access - that's a challenge for sustainability, not rebuilding them miles away from town.

Community is important in football - real care needs to be taken to avoid turning a small community club into a franchise.

I've been to MK Dons. Might as well have been anywhere... (I never went to Plough Lane, but have been to lots of grounds of that ilk)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2021, 12:51:07 pm
Agree with all of that.  The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter.  They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario.  And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2021, 12:57:12 pm
I could also tell you about the pro-bono consultancy work I did for them with the aim to get them maximising the financial take on match days, but I won't.  ;)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2021, 01:47:16 pm
Good grief! FGR had 62% of the possession according to the stats I saw. Is it a judgement on Dale Vince working with the D. Express?  :P

Curiously, all of the bottom 3 (Southend, Barrow and Grimsby) won their last game. I wonder how often that happens?

Or supporting the Green Party??

The last political donation Dale Vince made of which I am aware was £200000 to the Labour Party.

Edit: £250k to the Labour party. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/ecotricity-gives-250000-to-labour-amid-existential-threat-from-tories

According to Wikipedia, he also endorsed Labour in the 2019 GE.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2021, 01:55:38 pm
He did. And Jeremy Corbyn visited the New Lawn during his campaign. The former MP, Labour's David Drew, is on the board of FGR. We have aTroy now, but that was probably more due to an ex-MEP standing for the Green Party.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2021, 02:07:20 pm
Agree with all of that.  The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter.  They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario.  And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!
Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.

The proposed new ground will be on the east side of the town, which is notoriously inaccessible for road traffic: the Liverpool Street - Southend Victoria railway line runs N-S at that point and, combined with the pedestrianised high street, neatly bisects the town. There are only 3 crossing points other than the sea front, which is "shared use" (or a given value thereof) all of which are problematic.

I'm sure that Southend is far from unique in that its council is expected (by central government) to build a whole load of new houses but with a Victorian infrastructure just not designed to cope with the amount of traffic that is expected to be generated by all the people who live in those houses. But I suspect that that particular problem affects Southend far more acutely than most other towns of a similar size, i.e. almost 200000.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2021, 02:07:59 pm
He did. And Jeremy Corbyn visited the New Lawn during his campaign. The former MP, Labour's David Drew, is on the board of FGR. We have aTroy now, but that was probably more due to an ex-MEP standing for the Green Party.

This Troy - would it be worth inserting a wooden horse into him?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2021, 02:15:07 pm
He did. And Jeremy Corbyn visited the New Lawn during his campaign. The former MP, Labour's David Drew, is on the board of FGR. We have aTroy now, but that was probably more due to an ex-MEP standing for the Green Party.

This Troy - would it be worth inserting a wooden horse into him?

 ;D It's female.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2021, 05:52:40 pm
A draw today, but Barrow unsportingly won 2 - 0 so Southend are back in the bottom 2.

Colchester seem to be sinking rapidly so that could well spur on the Southend fans... if they had any.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 March, 2021, 06:10:54 pm
Rochdale have just soared to the bottom of League 1 (formerly known as Division 12), so if you survive, our conversations in this thread may become more "interesting"!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 March, 2021, 06:26:12 pm
Agree with all of that.  The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter.  They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario.  And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!
Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.

The proposed new ground will be on the east side of the town, which is notoriously inaccessible for road traffic: the Liverpool Street - Southend Victoria railway line runs N-S at that point and, combined with the pedestrianised high street, neatly bisects the town. There are only 3 crossing points other than the sea front, which is "shared use" (or a given value thereof) all of which are problematic.

I'm sure that Southend is far from unique in that its council is expected (by central government) to build a whole load of new houses but with a Victorian infrastructure just not designed to cope with the amount of traffic that is expected to be generated by all the people who live in those houses. But I suspect that that particular problem affects Southend far more acutely than most other towns of a similar size, i.e. almost 200000.
A 21,000 capacity stadium for a team facing relegation from League 2? Hmmm....
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2021, 07:20:19 pm
Rochdale have just soared to the bottom of League 1 (formerly known as Division 12), so if you survive, our conversations in this thread may become more "interesting"!

I always find your contributions deeply fascinating, Peter!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 March, 2021, 07:23:45 pm
 ;)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2021, 07:42:43 pm
Agree with all of that.  The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter.  They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario.  And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!
Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.

The proposed new ground will be on the east side of the town, which is notoriously inaccessible for road traffic: the Liverpool Street - Southend Victoria railway line runs N-S at that point and, combined with the pedestrianised high street, neatly bisects the town. There are only 3 crossing points other than the sea front, which is "shared use" (or a given value thereof) all of which are problematic.

I'm sure that Southend is far from unique in that its council is expected (by central government) to build a whole load of new houses but with a Victorian infrastructure just not designed to cope with the amount of traffic that is expected to be generated by all the people who live in those houses. But I suspect that that particular problem affects Southend far more acutely than most other towns of a similar size, i.e. almost 200000.
A 21,000 capacity stadium for a team facing relegation from League 2? Hmmm....
In 2006-7, when Southend were a "Championship" team, their highest home attendance was occasionally over 11000, but ISTR that the ground capacity was set at 12000.  By contrast, some of their opponents were attracting well over 20000 to home games - teams with a much longer history of being decent clubs (Ipswich, Norwich, Derby, Southampton). Perhaps their most impressive run of results then was in the League Cup, when in consecutive rounds they played Bournemouth, Brighton, Leeds, Manchester United and Tottenham, losing to this last 1 - 0 after extra time.

When the Football League consisted of 4 divisions, Southend very often played their home matches on a Friday so that their supporters could watch them on a Friday night and then get the train into London to watch their "main" club, which was usually West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham, on a Saturday. I don't think they do that quite so often now, but it sort of ingrained their status as quite definitely lower than their more prestigious neighbouring clubs. Ipswich and Norwich are both considerably smaller towns/cities than Southend but their football teams have occasionally (not often) competed on level terms with some of the best in Europe, but, despite Ipswich being not a great deal further from London than Southend, at least, in train-minute times (the track from Ipswich has a higher speed limit) I gain the impression that their fans don't divide their loyalties in anything like the same way.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 08 March, 2021, 09:01:19 pm
I just had a look and Bristol City (currently 12th in the Championship) last season had an average attendance of 17,000 in their 27,000 capacity Ashton Gate. Bristol Bears Premiership rugby club, in the same stadium, have an average attendance of 18,000, which surprisingly makes them the best supported club in the rugby premiership (or so their owner, who also owns City, claims). I guess our nearest Premier League team is probably Southampton, which is a bit far for ever-other-Saturday travel, not to mention feeling like a completely unconnected place. I don't suppose many people were travelling to see Cardiff either when they were in the PL!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2021, 10:50:04 pm
Never having lived in Colchester, I can't be sure, but I don't think their fans have divided loyalties either. There is relatively little of Southend which is much more than 100 years old, and many of the residents' grandparents will have moved out here from London, so I think there is more likely to be family attachments. This is more so when one considers that Basildon is only a little over 10 miles closer to London, and according to the latest figures Ive seen, it is now bigger than Southend (185k > 183.5k). Basildon has a football team, but they are at the level that the play against local villages. I have no idea whether many of Southend's supporters come from Basildon - presumably some do - but to have two such large towns so close together, neither of which possesses a decent football club, must be pretty unusual. Bradford, of course, is bigger than both combined and is stuck with Bradford City, also League 2. It seemed that when they last had crowds turn up, their home matches typically attracted >13k supporters. In the 2019-20 season, Southend's biggest crowd was a little over 8000, at home to Ipswich, and they were then a League 1 team, albeit doing incredibly badly.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2021, 12:24:57 am
Barrow won away v Walsall this evening. That gives them quite a nice points cushion over Southend now, having won 3 of their last 5 games, and they have two games in hand. Grimsby are bottom, so the Mariners and the Shrimpers seem to have been cast adrift. I think there is little chance now of those two escaping the drop.

Southend have been in the Football League since 1920, according to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 13 March, 2021, 09:45:13 am
There are loads of games left, so it's not a foregone conclusion that Southend will be in the bottom 2.
Also, no-one knows what's going on with the National League, so there's also the possibility that a SNAFU at that end might save them.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 13 March, 2021, 12:31:05 pm
Southend Not Altogether F***** Up, then?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2021, 09:33:34 pm
Barrow, two places above bottom team Grimsby, and with only 32% of the possession, just beat Cheltenham 2 - 0 away. Cheltenham are still top, but Barrow is the only team in the division to have won their last 3 games. They still have 2 games in hand over Southend, who are now 5 points adrift.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 17 March, 2021, 08:23:52 am
Port Vale (20th) also beat Newport who are 4th. There are lots of games, but Southend need to win some.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 March, 2021, 06:12:31 pm
Another win for Barrow.

There's a definitely "East Coast" feel about the lower parts of he division, with Colchester, Southend & Grimsby occupying the bottom 3 places and Scunthorpe sinking slowly.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 March, 2021, 07:24:26 pm
Remarkably, Southend had the bulk of the possession and, on the basis that Scunthorpe equalised in the 90th minutes, means they might be considered a bit unlucky.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 21 March, 2021, 01:15:16 pm
"Weren't for bad luck, wouldn't have no luck at all."  Albert King amongst many (Born Under A Bad Sign)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2021, 09:45:29 pm
Most of the Lowly Ones were in action tonight, largely against one another. Perhaps the biggest surprise was Grimsby's win over Barrow, given Barrow's recent winning ways. Southend drew 0 - 0 against fellow-languishers Walsall, but Colchester drew 2 - 2 with Tranmere, which was their best result for ages.

Grimsby are still bottom, but have gone at least 5 games without loss. They have a game in hand over Southend, who have 1 point more. Barrow are 6 points ahead of Southend and have two games in hand.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: John Stonebridge on 23 March, 2021, 10:13:24 pm
Most of the Lowly Ones were in action tonight, largely against one another. Perhaps the biggest surprise was Grimsby's win over Barrow, given Barrow's recent winning ways. Southend drew 0 - 0 against fellow-languishers Walsall, but Colchester drew 2 - 2 with Tranmere, which was their best result for ages.

Grimsby are still bottom, but have gone at least 5 games without loss. They have a game in hand over Southend, who have 1 point more. Barrow are 6 points ahead of Southend and have two games in hand.
looking like a struggle from here to stay up.  I saw the red card on 519 and it was something of a shocker
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 March, 2021, 11:14:52 pm
Sorry, you lost me there. What is 519?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 23 March, 2021, 11:30:54 pm
Apparently there's some good news for us after today's results, which is that Grimsby and Southend are not able to overhaul our 62 points, so we are safe from relegation.  ;)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 March, 2021, 05:07:45 pm
A rare win for Southend, this time against Harrogate, and a draw for Grimsby. Grimsby have failed to lose in their last 5 games, but are still bottom. Barrow lost, and so did Colchester. There are now only 4 points separating Southend and Colchester and they have played the same number of games. Barrow have played 2 games fewer and are just 1 point behind Colchester.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 27 March, 2021, 05:24:35 pm
Port Vale (20th) also beat Newport who are 4th. There are lots of games, but Southend need to win some.
I hope Newport don't get promoted. When they used to be in the same division as Bristol Rovers (now League One) the whole Gloucester Road used to be blocked.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 28 March, 2021, 02:18:34 pm
Port Vale (20th) also beat Newport who are 4th. There are lots of games, but Southend need to win some.
I hope Newport don't get promoted. When they used to be in the same division as Bristol Rovers (now League One) the whole Gloucester Road used to be blocked.
We could solve that by Bristol Rovers getting relegated.  :P Given they are second from bottom having lost their last 4 - I think you probably want Newport to be promoted. :)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 28 March, 2021, 02:49:01 pm
<checks table>
Gosh. They were mid-table last time I looked. No, I haven't been following closely....
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 April, 2021, 08:22:36 pm
Southend don't play until tomorrow, when their opponents are Carlisle. The rest of the division played today, and Barrow's win against Newport, and Colchester's draw, now means that Colchester and Southend, already deadly foes (or at least, I understand that their fans are) are competing with one another as the team to be relegated with Grimsby.

Colchester are still favourites to stay up, being 5 points ahead, but their recent form has been worse than Southend's, Southend have a game in hand, and Southend, Barrow and Colchester still have to play one another in a toothsome "mini-league" of sub-mediocrity.

La femme grasse hasn't even started to warm up yet.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 02 April, 2021, 08:25:50 pm
I couldn't believe how far the Us had slipped, col U that us. Sorry wow but having seen them play a few times and working pretty much next to the community stadium I would like Colchester to stay up but ideally as a localish club I don't particularly want Southend to go down
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 April, 2021, 08:48:10 pm
I couldn't believe how far the Us had slipped, col U that us. Sorry wow but having seen them play a few times and working pretty much next to the community stadium I would like Colchester to stay up but ideally as a localish club I don't particularly want Southend to go down

I have to repeat that my interest in the fortunes (or otherwise) of Southend United are purely political: the club has had the ear of corrupt politicians for a couple of decades at least. I feel sorry for the fans, who have been duped by the current owner in to supporting a ridiculous out-of-town stadium capable of holding a crowd the like of which Southend haven't had for about 40 years.

Do you think Colchester are better off now that they have their flash new stadium? At least I can see the point of that one: its capacity is only a little over 10000, compared to Layer Road's 6000. Also, it is right next to an existing motorway-in-all-but-name so it makes sense to take the ground away from the centre of Colchester. No-one has considered rebuilding Roots Hall at its existing venue, and of course a previous chairman was responsible for demolishing a stand and selling the land, which would have been extremely valuable to a rebuild where the ground currently is. The site that has been chosen for Southend's new stadium will put a load of extra pressure on exisiting overcrowded roads.

So Southend's impending relegation will be very interesting if it actually happens, because so much has been invested already in moving the ground.

https://goo.gl/maps/Wr4qo8NLWZdYXFgY6

shows where the ground is supposed to be. I've forgotten how long it is since those offensive hoardings were erected.

https://goo.gl/maps/NG7v8sJSVxMrhVWd6

is what it looked like in 2012.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 02 April, 2021, 09:20:01 pm
Ah wow I don't really know a lot about the Us and have had a steadily declining interest in football for years but being my nearest club and also being a big fan of Steve Lamacq a (the?) Famous col U fan i keep more of an eye in them than any other team which still isn't a huge amount

The actual stadium is good in the fact its used as a community resource. Its my usual blood donor place and is currently a vaccine centre and I know several people who have hired it for football matches
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 05 April, 2021, 05:49:36 pm
Barrow and Colchester drew with each other. Remarkably, Grimsby drew with Cheltenham, who are second.
Southend have 7 games left - they need to win at least 4 to stand a chance of catching Colchester or Barrow.
County beat Bolton today (after losing to Barrow on Friday thanks to the wall parting like the Red Sea), so are still 7th, but with a game in hand on most clubs above them. 6 wins from 8 would give them a shot at 3rd, which seems unlikely - playoffs are much more achievable.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 April, 2021, 10:30:20 pm
So if Southend win their game in hand and also beat Colchester, assuming no other intervening results, then Southend would be level with Colchester on points but still well behind them on goal difference.

I've just been looking at the "National League", Southend's highly probable destination for next season. There are some teams playing there who within my memory were actually half decent. I'm pretty sure that Notts County were in the first division what seems to me to be not all that long ago (but was probably over 30 years). <googles> Yes, it looks as though it was 1988. And I think I remember Wrexham beating Arsenal in the FA Cup once.

But there will be no justification whatever for a >20000 seat stadium. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ron martin abandons the club to its fate and simply sells the land he's bought, no doubt at a knockdown price. In fact, he would get the best of both worlds: build on the existing stadium and on the land planned for the new one. And he wouldn't keep having to dip into his back pocket to pay the players' wages and the HMRC bill.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 06 April, 2021, 12:53:37 pm
Most clubs in the National League are full time professional. It's one of the hardest to escape because only 2 teams go up, and most of them lose money and have to be subsidised by their owners.
There are a lot of clubs that floated around Leagues 1 and 2 for years down there - Hartlepool, Aldershot, Wrexham, Chesterfield, Stockport, Notts County (one of the football league founders?), and Yeovil have all been league teams in the not-too-distant past.
Cudzo - Bristol Rovers won on the weekend - they are still in the relegation zone, but level on points with Swindon above them.  That is an interesting twist on things as well. :)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 April, 2021, 05:17:55 pm
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions.  Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....

PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 06 April, 2021, 06:02:26 pm
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions.  Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....

PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York),  I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.

Full-time in sporting terms tends to mean that you don't have to have another job. Lots of the National League N/S players have other jobs as well as playing football.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 06 April, 2021, 07:02:00 pm
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think.  Anyway, I'm just teasing.

I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see:  they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 07 April, 2021, 09:34:09 am
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think.  Anyway, I'm just teasing.
I know - I think that's a cultural thing rather than anything else.  If you look at US sports, they probably spend considerably more time "watching film" than they do in the gym and at practise and at games combined. Though I guess if you include travel time, footballers (especially those who travel everywhere by coach) might come close with 2 long away trips in a week.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 09:43:35 am
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions.  Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....

PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York),  I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.

Full-time in sporting terms tends to mean that you don't have to have another job. Lots of the National League N/S players have other jobs as well as playing football.


Pretty sure Darlington used to be in the football league when I used to spend time down at Feethams watching them. ( Despite some false claims, they are not a phoenix club and are the same club as was founded in 1883)

Same as Boston United were in the football league and so were Southport


However, Kettering were never a Football League Club


That excludes the successor clubs like Halifax, Gateshead, Hereford, Bradford (Park Avenue) and Chester who are not the same clubs as were in the Football League
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 09:47:45 am
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think.  Anyway, I'm just teasing.

I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see:  they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 07 April, 2021, 01:29:52 pm
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions.  Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....

PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York), I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.

Pretty sure Darlington used to be in the football league when I used to spend time down at Feethams watching them. ( Despite some false claims, they are not a phoenix club and are the same club as was founded in 1883)
Same as Boston United were in the football league and so were Southport
However, Kettering were never a Football League Club
That excludes the successor clubs like Halifax, Gateshead, Hereford, Bradford (Park Avenue) and Chester who are not the same clubs as were in the Football League
Fair enough - I didn't research all of the clubs in National League N (or S), I was just going from memory. Apologies for missing out your team!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 April, 2021, 02:39:31 pm
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think.  Anyway, I'm just teasing.

I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see:  they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league

Clarification is simple:  I was wrong - but not by much!  They joined the league in it's 3rd year, I think, won it loads of times early on (they are still one of the most successful teams so far in the top division, though not for about 100 years!).  I think what I may be remembering is that when they were relegated for the first time in 1958, they had been in the top division longer than anyone else (about 70 years) but I may be wrong about that, too!  It's fascinating to realise that Accrington were founder members and finished halfway up the table.  I can remember their decades in the wilderness.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 05:06:10 pm
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think.  Anyway, I'm just teasing.

I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see:  they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league

Clarification is simple:  I was wrong - but not by much!  They joined the league in it's 3rd year, I think, won it loads of times early on (they are still one of the most successful teams so far in the top division, though not for about 100 years!).  I think what I may be remembering is that when they were relegated for the first time in 1958, they had been in the top division longer than anyone else (about 70 years) but I may be wrong about that, too!  It's fascinating to realise that Accrington were founder members and finished halfway up the table.  I can remember their decades in the wilderness.

Accrington are not the same club as were founder members of the league.

They are not even the successor club, they are a new club formed several years after the successor club to Accrington folded

Accrington folded in 1895/6 after going out of the football league at end of 1892/3 season



Accrington Stanley were formed in or before 1900 and were elected to the football league in 1921/2 ( so no football league team in Accrington for 28 years there)

They left league in 1961/62 season when failed ot complete season. They limped along in Lancs Combination until 1965/6 when they again failed to finish the season


Accrington Stanley Mark 2 were not formed until 1968
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 05:09:33 pm
....
Fair enough - I didn't research all of the clubs in National League N (or S), I was just going from memory. Apologies for missing out your team!

You were correct in missing out my time. The Pride of County Durham club have never been in the Football League. FI was never a Darlington fan, just as a kid, it was nearest football league club to me as my parents wouldn't let me at 11 travel the 30 miles to Newcastle on my own, but a single bus to Feethams was a different issue
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 April, 2021, 05:30:20 pm
HTGT - OK, but it gets a little tedious if one has to say "a team from Accrington" and so on, every time, especially for a topic that's not important anyway.  By the way, were you old enough to be at Feethams when a team from Durham upset a team from west London in a 4th round FA cup replay?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 06:57:20 pm
HTGT - OK, but it gets a little tedious if one has to say "a team from Accrington" and so on, every time, especially for a topic that's not important anyway.  By the way, were you old enough to be at Feethams when a team from Durham upset a team from west London in a 4th round FA cup replay?

Brentford?

No, I know the game you mean, and no I am not that old. Early 80s/ late 70s was when I used to go
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 April, 2021, 07:47:39 pm
You really know how to hurt, don't you?  Brentford play in Sunderland shirts!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 April, 2021, 07:56:24 pm
You really know how to hurt, don't you?  Brentford play in Sunderland shirts!


Brentford play far better than S*nderland


I did watch the biggest club in West London in league game at Feethams

Even though Feethams is next to a park, I was not cottaging
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 08 April, 2021, 03:31:47 pm
Unsubstantiated rumours that a L2 club with debts of £30m are on verge of going into administration leading to a potential 12 point deduction.

On an unconnected note Colchester have debts of £30m allegedly

A lifeline for one of Grimsby or Southend if the rumours are true
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 08 April, 2021, 04:03:12 pm
Mmmmm.  Bolton are usually heavily in debt, which is why they are in that division, really.  Either way, it helps Grimsby or Southend, I suppose.  If it's Bolton, it might also affect the promotions, too.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 08 April, 2021, 04:24:57 pm
I have no information on who it is, but if it were Bolton, a 12 point deduction would put them in 14th and they would still be safe from being relegated. Southend or Grimsby need it to be a club 15th or below really.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 08 April, 2021, 04:29:43 pm
Mmmmm.  Bolton are usually heavily in debt, which is why they are in that division, really.  Either way, it helps Grimsby or Southend, I suppose.  If it's Bolton, it might also affect the promotions, too.


Bolton in case you forgot it only came out of administration 18 months ago, so are unlikely to have run up £30m of debt in that time.

It definitely is not Bolton
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 08 April, 2021, 05:58:26 pm
Apparently, Colchester do owe around £30m, though 26m of that is to the parent company:
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1376983937642336256
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 08 April, 2021, 06:29:34 pm
Obviously I didn't think too hard about the Bolton scenario but I'm glad to be wrong about that!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 09 April, 2021, 11:55:33 am
This thread may need to be renamed the local lower leagues club thread

There was an article in one of the local newspapers I think about how little Colchester have spent the last year and have risked relegation by being financially stable where as lots of clubs are at no risk of relegation but at more financial risk

Southend have got Phil Brown back who i seem to recall managed Colchester back in the day.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 09 April, 2021, 11:58:29 am
Actually the article was on BBC website under Colchester on 24th March
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 April, 2021, 12:31:09 pm
This thread may need to be renamed the local lower leagues club thread

There was an article in one of the local newspapers I think about how little Colchester have spent the last year and have risked relegation by being financially stable where as lots of clubs are at no risk of relegation but at more financial risk

Southend have got Phil Brown back who i seem to recall managed Colchester back in the day.

Oi! You start your own thread!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 09 April, 2021, 01:31:57 pm
This thread may need to be renamed the local lower leagues club thread

There was an article in one of the local newspapers I think about how little Colchester have spent the last year and have risked relegation by being financially stable where as lots of clubs are at no risk of relegation but at more financial risk

Southend have got Phil Brown back who i seem to recall managed Colchester back in the day.

Oi! You start your own thread!

its very relevant to Phil Brown's Southend as if Colchester go into admin, it makes it more likely  Southend will retain their League status
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 April, 2021, 07:45:39 pm
I read somewhere that the Colchester chairman has denied robustly that Colchester are on their uppers, at least, in a 12-points-deducting kind of way. Meanwhile Oldham are beating them 1 - 0.

There is also the small matter of the probability that, this season, because of the dire straits affecting the National League, that their programme won't be completed and there will be no promotion or relegation.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/national-league-decision-vote-relegation-4955602?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=exchange

From Grimsby Live, who of course will be looking for every slightest chance that their team might stay up.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 10 April, 2021, 01:37:44 pm
The National League clubs have a point. When they were debating whether to start the season, they were given a grant to cover up to Christmas. Changing it to a loan for the second half of the season basically means that unless you have a sugar daddy, you put the club at real risk of going bust.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 April, 2021, 08:21:24 pm
Indeed.

Meanwhile, Southend and Crawley played out what, on paper, looks to have been a candidate for the most boring match ever. Now 3 points ahead of Grimsby and 4 behind Colchester.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 10 April, 2021, 08:39:30 pm
Well Hardly Poo Untied went top of the national league today.  :D
A bit meaningless unfortunately as they are 4 games out of hand. (?)
Still, I'm desperate for them to return to the football league proper while life long season ticket holder FiL is still around to see it.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 April, 2021, 10:38:22 pm
As mentioned above, having been shafted financially by HM Govt, it seems unlikely that the season will be completed and if that eventuality comes to be, then there will be no promotion or relegation.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 11 April, 2021, 12:15:30 am
As mentioned above, having been shafted financially by HM Govt, it seems unlikely that the season will be completed and if that eventuality comes to be, then there will be no promotion or relegation.

You are totally wrong on this ppoint
The National League clubs voted to complete the season and  they will finish the season and promote 2 clubs as usual

There is no credible suggestion from any club in the National League that the season will not finish. The issue re the Government you refer to was back in January, the clubs have played another 3 months of football since issue first arose and are now in home straight of season. It is not going to be curtailed now. The NLN/S clubs curtailed their season in the same vote as the NL voted to continue
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 April, 2021, 12:37:26 am
I found a source suggesting what I wrote. I haven't seen another source since.

I don't follow football, other than as it affects local politics in Southend. Outside influences (eg what is happening in other clubs) has a relevance.

An alternative source would be helpful.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: De Sisti on 11 April, 2021, 07:37:08 am
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?








* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 11 April, 2021, 09:25:39 am
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?








* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...

Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up. Otherwise they went down. Clubs hardly ever went down.
So the probable reason for Altrincham's failure to get promoted is Hartlepool, who as I understand it, hold the record for the most re-elections.

Eta. Hartlepool's record may of course be an urban myth as recounted to me by FiL and Bs iL
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: De Sisti on 11 April, 2021, 12:10:04 pm
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?








* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...

Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up. Otherwise they went down. Clubs hardly ever went down.
So the probable reason for Altrincham's failure to get promoted is Hartlepool, who as I understand it, hold the record for the most re-elections.

Eta. Hartlepool's record may of course be an urban myth as recounted to me by FiL and Bs iL
IAKT. ::-)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 13 April, 2021, 11:33:28 am
...

Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  ....
[/quote]

All the 4 sides at the bottom of the Football League had to apply for re-election, not just the bottom side.

Before the formation of the Conference/ National League in 1979, any club could apply for promotion and often there were multiple non league clubs applying, thus splitting the votes for the non league sides.

The Conference was formed with the aim of only the winners of the conference applying for promotion. I believe it was a condition of membership of conference. Obviously this would not have stopped sides in say Isthmian or Northern Leagues applying if they wanted to as they were not part of pyramid in those days, but they were mainly the traditionally amateur clubs anyway


For the first 7 seasons of the Conference, there was no automatic promotion and none of the winners got promoted

Season   National League Champions   
1979–80   Altrincham   
1980–81   Altrincham
1981–82   Runcorn
1982–83   Enfield
1983–84   Maidstone United
1984–85   Wealdstone
1985–86   Enfield

The formation of the Conference came towards the end of Altrincham's dominance of non league football. They won the first 2 and never again.

1In 1987 Scarborough ( RIP) were the first club to gain automatic promotion under a then  unknown manager (Colin ......)

Altrincham never won Conference again, although they did win the FA Trophy in 1986 v Runcorn
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Salvatore on 13 April, 2021, 06:17:14 pm
Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up.

The bottom 4 had to apply for re-election. In about 1962, Gateshead finished 3rd from bottom but were voted out, while the 2 clubs below them (and Peterborough of the Midland League) got more votes than they did.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 13 April, 2021, 06:29:18 pm
Peterborough was 1960-61, I believe.

They worked their way up to the 3rd Division, then were relegated to the 4th for cooking the books (I think they paid players too much)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 14 April, 2021, 10:17:24 am
Peterborough was 1960-61, I believe.

They worked their way up to the 3rd Division, then were relegated to the 4th for cooking the books (I think they paid players too much)

Peterborough were elected in to the football league at the end of the 1959/60 season ( interesting that of the 5 teams voted out since the formation of 4th Division in 1958, only southport it could be argued were not replaced by a team closer to London/ Majority of clubs)

Peterborough were relegated for financial irregularities in 1968
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 14 April, 2021, 10:33:15 am
Barrow beat Exeter yesterday, so I think they are safe now (9 points ahead of Southend with a game in hand). Looks like it's 2 from Grimsby, Southend, and Colchester (assuming no points deductions for teams above).
It's strange how every week teams in the top few keep losing to the rest. Tranmere (4th) lost to Walsall (19th) yesterday (reduced schedule meant only 4 teams in the top 7 were playing, and 2 of them were against playoff hopefuls). Forrest Green (now in 7th) fired their boss a couple of days ago after losing 4 in a row.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 14 April, 2021, 11:21:16 am
Barrow beat Exeter yesterday, so I think they are safe now (9 points ahead of Southend with a game in hand). Looks like it's 2 from Grimsby, Southend, and Colchester (assuming no points deductions for teams above).
It's strange how every week teams in the top few keep losing to the rest. Tranmere (4th) lost to Walsall (19th) yesterday (reduced schedule meant only 4 teams in the top 7 were playing, and 2 of them were against playoff hopefuls). Forrest Green (now in 7th) fired their boss a couple of days ago after losing 4 in a row.

Think you are right, its I think a fight between Colchester & Southend for one Relegation place. I can't see Grimsby overhauling Colchester, despite the efforts of Colchester to force themselves into the relegation zone
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 17 April, 2021, 04:16:35 pm
Grimsby won (they beat Bolton!), Southend drew, so Southend are only 1 point ahead (having played a game more). Colchester play later today.
County lost 0-1 at home to Cambridge, so are 7th and the playoffs are probably the limit of their ambition. :(
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 April, 2021, 06:29:13 pm
I don't know what the record number of 0 - 0  draws in a season is, but Southend seem to have had an awful lot.

I just checked: 9 so far. That is a lot. There's some football forum I found in which someone thinks that 9 all season is a record. I doubt that that is true, but Southend could well get into double figures by the time the season ends.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 April, 2021, 08:42:23 pm
And a win for Colchester! That gives them a 6-point buffer with 4 games to go...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 17 April, 2021, 08:44:49 pm
I hadn't checked as recorded fa cup semi so avoiding sports. Honestly before Colchester played and when Southend drew I would have backed Southend to stay up but a win today changes everything
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 April, 2021, 09:02:35 pm
Whilst trying to fond the answer to the "most goalless draws" question, I stumbled across a small factoid relevant to Southend: Freddy Eastwood, who is probably one of the best players Southend ever had, holds the record for the fastest goal on league debut for any club: 7 seconds. (16th October 2004 v Swansea)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 17 April, 2021, 09:20:59 pm
Colchester v Southend on Tuesday. A home win will all but make relegation mathematically certain for Southend. Then southend play Orient on Saturday which could guarantee their relegation

2 nearest rivals geographically could relegate them
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 20 April, 2021, 07:47:53 pm
Sorry wow but its not currently looking good for Southend
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 20 April, 2021, 09:26:11 pm
Sorry wow but its not currently looking good for Southend

Wot?  You mean they've not been invited to join the European Super League?  Bloody hell!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 April, 2021, 11:15:28 pm
Sorry wow but its not currently looking good for Southend

Don't be sorry - my interest in Southend isn't because I support them. It's because I've been campaigning on environmental issues for a couple of decades and throughout that time there has been a threat to build a stupid out-of-town stadium designed for >20000 people, which will have a seriously deleterious effect on some rather good countryside and the already overcrowded roads around the place.

As someone who believes a town should be for people rather than for a small number to make a large amount of money from, I'd like to see Southend have a football team and that team do well. But not under the current structure when everything depends on the whim of one man (the owner) and the fans just go along with it because they haven't got the vision to see that it can be done better/differently. Southend's demise to the national League will put a very interesting spin on this prolonged effort to build a stadium far bigger than a club like Southend will ever need. It might stop it all together.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: De Sisti on 21 April, 2021, 07:55:08 am
One more win for Barrow and Southend are relegated.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 21 April, 2021, 08:33:25 am
Yeah, Southend are going to go down unless some other club gets a points penalty.

After I said that the top was unstable, every club in the top 9 won except for the draw between 6 and 8!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 21 April, 2021, 02:54:02 pm
One more win for Barrow and Southend are relegated.

Don't even need Barrow to win. any point dropped for Southend or a draw in final 3 games for Barrow would be enough
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 April, 2021, 05:11:01 pm
Southend and Grimsby both won - Barrow lost. Still it's unclear who gets relegated.

I understand that the Southend Borough Council are still intending to go ahead with permission for the stupid great stadium even when there's most unlikely to be any league football to play there.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 25 April, 2021, 08:44:08 am
Barrow's game in hand is against Forrest Green (just inside playoffs, but managerless) on Tuesday.  Then it's a huge game - Barrow vs Southend. And on the final weekend, Barrow go to Exeter (who are just outside the playoffs) and Southend host Newport (just inside the playoffs). Relegation and playoffs seem inextricably tied together.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 27 April, 2021, 07:22:23 pm
And Barrow are currently leading against us at the moment...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 27 April, 2021, 07:34:53 pm
Leading more now...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 27 April, 2021, 07:44:46 pm
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green.  Is it wise to be posting during a game?  No wonder you're losing.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: De Sisti on 27 April, 2021, 09:48:34 pm
I was looking out for two results:

Forest Green Rovers 0 - 2 Barrow
Bradford City 0 - 1 Salford

Barrow staying up (Southend going down). Salford strengthen their play-off hopes.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 April, 2021, 10:39:36 pm
Is it still not mathematically possible for Southend to overtake Scunthorpe?

Southend are on 41 points with a -30 goal difference, Scunthorpe on 47 with -22. If Southend win their last two games and outscore their opponents by 7 goals, whilst Scunthorpe lose both theirs, then Southend will be out of the relegation zone.

I don't think Southend have scored 3 goals in a game all season so I think the scenario I have outlined is very unlikely indeed.

Of course, since Scunthorpe have lost their last 5, they might loser by a large margin.

I assume that it is mere coincidence that the 4 bottom sides all come form Lincs & Essex.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 27 April, 2021, 11:09:13 pm
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green.  Is it wise to be posting during a game?  No wonder you're losing.

Oh, I've been on the pitch a few times...
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 April, 2021, 11:22:44 pm
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green.  Is it wise to be posting during a game?  No wonder you're losing.

Oh, I've been on the pitch a few times...

I've never heard it called that before... ;)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 28 April, 2021, 12:22:32 am
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green.  Is it wise to be posting during a game?  No wonder you're losing.

Oh, I've been on the pitch a few times...

I've never heard it called that before... ;)

 ;D

A note for Southend for next season, I believe in Non-League you are allowed Plastic Pitches  :P
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 28 April, 2021, 08:24:00 am
Given Scunthorpe lost 4-0 last night, 2 more of them and 2 wins for Southend and Scunthorpe would go down. Scunthorpe are away at Bradford, and Southend at Barrow - neither club has anything to play for. Grimsby are officially gone.

Looks like it's Newport, Salford and FGR (with Exeter a long shot) for the last 2 playoff places. On Saturday, their games are Exeter at Bolton (3rd, a point guarantees promotion), Newport vs Cheltenham (top, already promoted, win might give them the title), FGR vs Tranmere (5th, need to win and Bolton to slip up for any chance at automatic promotion) and Salford at Colchester (nothing to play for). Given the opposition, I think that makes Salford the favourites for 6th (and maybe Newport for 7th by dint of points on the board).

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 01 May, 2021, 03:39:21 pm
Hmm, I think you were optimistic for Southend and FGR...

(after 40 mins of today's matches)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 01 May, 2021, 04:20:59 pm
After 55 minutes, FGR are ahead, so are Southend and Newport.
Scunthorpe are drawing - if that stays the case, Southend go down today.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 May, 2021, 05:27:56 pm
That's how it stayed. Southend & Grimsby relegated. Ironic that between them, those two have registered 5 wins and 2 draws in their last 10 games.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 02 May, 2021, 12:18:20 pm
Last year I  think Stevenage were relegated on the last day and then reprieved thanks to points penalties for another team later. So the only hope for Southend now is that someone in the bottom 5 gets a points penalty.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 May, 2021, 01:01:58 pm
It seems to me that Southend are perpetually sailing very close to that wind themselves. I don't know the rules and ICBA to look them up, but I understand that there was a ban on them buying players at one time because of their financial plight. This of course, becomes a vicious circle.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: SteveC on 07 May, 2021, 08:02:06 pm
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Basil on 07 May, 2021, 08:42:33 pm
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)

Not happy with that.  Hardly Poo Untied are still on track to return to the second div either via the play offs or by winning the league outright.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 07 May, 2021, 11:06:51 pm
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)

erm, that looks a bit cockeyed.

If it succeeds then there is no relegation or promotion between NL and League 2, so that's unfair on the bottom teams in League 1.. and so on all the way up.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: De Sisti on 08 May, 2021, 09:24:17 am
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)

Not happy with that.  Hardly Poo Untied are still on track to return to the second div either via the play offs or by winning the league outright.
Hoping that Stockport County's recent run of good form continues (to take them to automatic promotion).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 09 May, 2021, 08:50:55 am
Southend 1-1 Newport to end the season.
The idea that relegation from the league below is not happening, so relegation from this league shouldn't happen is insane. Applying that logic means that no relegation should happen through the entire football pyramid, because National Leagues N and S voided their seasons.

Curiously, the teams in 5th, 6th and 7th, all ended on W20, D13, L13. Also, because the pitch is being relaid at Rodney Parade, Newport will have to play the first playoff game at home (they were above FGR, so it should have been away first).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 14 May, 2021, 03:43:38 pm
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)


All seems to have gone quiet on this challenge?

Do you think the lawyers for the EFL / FA have finished their laughing at the stupidity of the challenge and the thought of the easy money they will earn in opposing this challenge if it goes as far as a tribunal or court?

There is apparently already a precedent ( from a previous case) to say that they are too late with this challenge and that it should have been raised at the start of the year when the NLN/S stopped playing and it was announced there was to be no promotion or relegation to/ from those divisions.

If Southend and Grimsby go about the next year in the right way, it could be a great season and relaunch the clubs, alternatively they could be like Wrexham 15 or so years in the NL or even worse, like York in the NLN for their soon to be 4th season.

Southend to be in the ESL soon? ( I mean the Essex Senior League ( 9th tier of football) not the European Super League). Imagine the big Southend derby with Southend Manor, and still home for tea from an away game
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 14 May, 2021, 04:32:07 pm
Grimsby have a new owner and coach and hope for the National League.
I fear for Southend without a new owner.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 16 May, 2021, 10:03:22 pm
I see now Grimsby have withdrawn from the pointless challenge to their relegation.

The same can't be said for the clown in charge of Southend
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 24 May, 2021, 07:00:11 am
Former amateur Isthmian League club Sutton United are replacing Southend / Grimsby in the EFL.

A real dream come true. A club with no rich benefactor
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 24 May, 2021, 08:50:17 am
What a playoff game last night. Started off at 0-2 from the first leg.
7 minutes 1-2
8 minutes 2-2 - all level again.
53 minutes 3-2 - FGR going through.
70 minutes 3-3 - all level again.
76 minutes 3-4 - Newport going through.
87 minutes 4-4 - all level again.
119 minutes 4-5 Newport going through.

I listened to a preview on a lower league podcast the other day (recorded before the first leg) saying to back a low scoring tie. :)
The final will be interesting - Morecombe beat Tranmere in the other semi).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 31 May, 2021, 06:03:37 pm
And that's why we have VAR.  :'(
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 June, 2021, 09:46:28 am
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19356492.cause-fire-roots-hall-avenue-revealed/

It comes as no surprise at all that a fire broke out at Roots Hall yesterday evening. This seems to be the standard way of dealing with buildings occupying potential development sites in Southend.

The following seems to leave little to chance, and rather gives the lie to the wording of the link above:

Quote
The cause of the fire has been recorded as accidental or deliberate.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 08 June, 2021, 10:54:17 am
One for HIGNFY ?

Don't you love local news?!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 July, 2021, 11:58:37 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/29/grimsby-town-fc-financial-civic-value

That's a very interesting development for Grimsby - a chairman who has the club's interest and links to the community at heart, and can string words together in a manner that befits a visiting fellow at Orcs' Fud University.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 August, 2021, 11:17:11 pm
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/19491963.match-report-southend-united-2-brentford-3/

I noticed the floodlights were on yesterday at non-league Southend's Roots Hall, and this must have been it. They allowed a 2-goal lead v Premiership side Brentford to slip.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 August, 2021, 12:33:12 am
Southend win their first match in the National League! 1 - 0 v Kings Lynn.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 August, 2021, 10:40:00 pm
Southend win their first match in the National League! 1 - 0 v Kings Lynn.

And Southend lose their second, 1 - 0 to Stockport, for whom *Rooney scored.

*No, not that one. His little brother.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 September, 2021, 10:19:44 am
Southend still haven't sunk to their level. Three losses in a row put them near the bottom of the Whatever League.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 20 September, 2021, 09:56:10 am
Have faith, Southend are only in the National League for a short stay...








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... I'm not saying which end of the National League they will escape via
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 October, 2021, 05:32:47 pm
Have faith, Southend are only in the National League for a short stay...

... I'm not saying which end of the National League they will escape via

The south end, by the looks of it! They are now 21st out of 23 teams, having lost 4 games in a row.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 October, 2021, 11:32:42 am
Have faith, Southend are only in the National League for a short stay...

... I'm not saying which end of the National League they will escape via

The south end, by the looks of it! They are now 21st out of 23 teams, having lost 4 games in a row.

yee of little faith.

A glorious win at home to the mighty Eastleigh on Tuesday night has seen Southend Storm up the table  to 18th out of 23 sides and a whole point ahead of the relegation places

Even on current form ( last 5 games) Southend are in 20th place - ie above worst 3 teams
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 October, 2021, 12:09:16 pm
As luck would have it, Jan and I were walking home from choir practice and we passed the ground just as that goal was being scored. There seemed to be quite a lot of people in there, and apparently Ron "Weaselly" Martin, the owner, required police protection from angry fans.

Do you know anywhere that publishes the attendances at these non-league games? I'm interested to see what fraction of the 12000 or so available places in the ground are occupied. There's still a planning application open for a >20k stadium.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 October, 2021, 01:19:46 pm
Sorry, Wow, I doubt if there's a page small enough - except possibly in Scotland?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Nuncio on 07 October, 2021, 04:53:11 pm
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963  (https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963)

Attendance: 3,342

Sounds pretty good to me but I see you had more than 6,000 v Wrexham for a Saturday game last month.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Salvatore on 08 October, 2021, 02:58:10 pm
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963  (https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963)

Attendance: 3,342

Sounds pretty good to me but I see you had more than 6,000 v Wrexham for a Saturday game last month.

Lowest attendance this season. Average is currently 5015. 6th highest in non-league, Wrexham are top (so I guess probably brought quite a few to Southend).

https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/global/attendances/
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 October, 2021, 02:11:16 pm
I think all of those teams with higher attendances than Southend were recently league teams.

Southend were roundly thrashed 4 - 0 at home to Chesterfield (what are they doing outside the league?) and it seems there was a pitch invasion with fans demanding the removal of the owner, Ron Martin. His response was to sack the manager.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58771069
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 11 October, 2021, 03:33:58 pm
.... Chesterfield (what are they doing outside the league?) ....

its what happens when you finish in bottom two teams in League 2.

You finish in bottom two because you have picked up less points than 22 other teams and are deservedly relegated
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Nuncio on 13 October, 2021, 11:58:42 am
Or crookedness. Not that that applies in any way to Chesterfield.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 October, 2021, 12:23:10 pm
Or crookedness. Not that that applies in any way to Chesterfield.

Only their church.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 13 October, 2021, 03:03:02 pm
I think that's what Nuncio meant.  Chesterfield a-spire to greater things and just occasionally they happen: they were surprise semi-finalists in the FA Cup one year.  An even bigger surprise was that they couldn't get past Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 October, 2021, 03:51:21 pm
I think that's what Nuncio meant.  Chesterfield a-spire to greater things and just occasionally they happen: they were surprise semi-finalists in the FA Cup one year.  An even bigger surprise was that they couldn't get past Middlesbrough.

Were it not for a gross error of refereeing, they would have done.

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: cygnet on 13 October, 2021, 10:29:13 pm
I think that's what Nuncio meant.  Chesterfield a-spire to greater things and just occasionally they happen: they were surprise semi-finalists in the FA Cup one year.  An even bigger surprise was that they couldn't get past Middlesbrough.
;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 October, 2021, 01:07:07 pm
I have netted a slot on Monday to address the Southend Development and Control Committee who will be discussing the plan for a new 21000 seat stadium. I will be opposing the plan.

The current owner, Ron Martin, took complete control of the club in March 2006. Later that year, Southend had a decent league cup run, beating Bournemouth, Brighton, Leeds United, Manchester United and being knocked out 1 - 0 by Tottenham after extra time. They also beat Sunderland 3 - 1 in the league (I was there with My Mate Terry Who Art In Sibton) on 19th August, but after that went into a steady decline: Sunderland won the Championship and Southend were relegated to League 1. That decline has continued for 15 years to the extent that Southend are now in serious danger of being relegated yet again to the National League South. There are no footballing reasons for a new stadium.

My main arguments will be environmental: the new stadium is a long way from any housing and railway stations, and people will expect to drive there. That raises another problem: the current stadium is west of the railway, a man-made barrier with limited crossing places that always present traffic problems. The new stadium would be to the east. If at any point Southend ever did attract 21000 supporters to a home match, then the single carriageway road which is the most used route from west to east would be subject to several thousand more cars in the couple of hours before the match was due to start. This single carriageway road is Priory Crescent, the very same road that Southend Council wanted to make dual carriageway 20 years ago and failed in their attempt. "Camp Bling" and the discovery of the Saxon King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prittlewell_royal_Anglo-Saxon_burial)'s remains were all part and parcel of that road scheme. It's a totally bonkers idea.

Then there's the more general environmental stuff: climate change, green belt building and localised air pollution.

Interesting times.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 October, 2021, 01:19:27 pm
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I think I could be flogging a dead horse tonight...  ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 October, 2021, 08:24:42 pm
I thought it went really well. Here's my final piece:

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Development & Control Committee, 25/10/2021

I oppose this plan for environmental and traffic related reasons.

Roots Hall is the ideal place for a stadium because it is within easy access of residential roads so that many home supporters can walk to games, and away supporters travelling by train have stations within a short walk. Southend has a man-made north-south barrier in the form of the railway with limited crossing points.  Any development to the east of the railway will inevitably cause major traffic issues. The proposed location of this stadium and its associated commercial development would place enormous demands on Priory Crescent and East Street and it is unsuitable in that it is much further from any residential areas. Football supporters would be less likely to walk to games and car use would be increased. Should Southend United ever attract 21000 supporters to a home game, then that would imply that in the two hours leading up to kick-off, many thousands of extra cars would clog up what are already bottlenecks. It was only recently that the opening of the Aldi supermarket in Priory Crescent caused major issues on a Saturday afternoon. Just imagine what would happen if a large football crowd were added to that mix. In fact, it is many years since Southend United regularly drew crowds in excess of 5000 and their current parlous state makes this development unnecessary as Roots Hall can easily cope with double that number. The club has absolutely no need for a stadium any larger than Roots Hall.

Those of us who live on busy roads are already subject to too much traffic noise and pollution. It is unreasonable to increase that. Furthermore, on 19th September 2019, Southend Borough Council declared a climate emergency. Climate change is the overriding issue which should govern every council policy. We saw only last week the dangerous levels of flooding brought about by increasingly frequent heavy downpours. The infrastructure of the town cannot cope with the demands that a changing climate and new developments such as this stadium will place upon it. It’s an unnecessary development in the wrong place and at the wrong time. It runs contrary to public interest and I urge this committee to reject the application.

The club chairman, Ron Martin, was then given 3 minutes to answer my points, and he totally failed to address the issue of the bottlenecks: this is the issue that killed the Priory Crescent Widening Scheme between 15 and 20 years ago, and although he went on to talk about the £15m being thrown at road development, that was all on the roads to the east of the railway and won't address the crossing points.

As I left, after about an hour, I was collared by a camera crew from BBC Look East and did a piece to camera for them. The guy who interviewed me expressed surprise that the public gallery wasn't packed. I think had I said what I said 10 years ago, I might well have been roughed up on the way home.

The meeting is being live streamed and eventually the recording will be made available.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 October, 2021, 09:20:54 am
Do they want the capacity for football or for other events: concerts, fairs, expos, conventions, and so on? Where would those events currently be held in Southend?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 October, 2021, 09:41:30 am
https://southend.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/608565

My piece from 53 minutes. Ron "Honest" Martin immediately afterwards.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 October, 2021, 09:42:44 am
Do they want the capacity for football or for other events: concerts, fairs, expos, conventions, and so on? Where would those events currently be held in Southend?

They hold a lot of events in Priory Park. A week or two ago, for example, was a big "Oktoberfest" beer festival with lots of drunk yoofs wandering around with vomit-encrusted lederhosen.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 October, 2021, 11:04:24 am
Fascinating and ultimately depressing, Peter.  You did a good job but it's obvious from Martin's lazy and contemptuous response that he expects "fupball" to win the day.  "City", indeed.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Salvatore on 26 October, 2021, 11:19:07 am
Outside the Football League you can make money from your stadium by having a plastic pitch which can accommodate concerts, fairs, sporting events etc. without affecting the playing surface. But when Harrogate were promoted to league 2 ("We’re not just about Betty's tea shop anymore")  they had to replace the artificial pitch at Wetherby Road with turf. It cost £200,000 to install the turf pitch, and home games for the first 10 weeks of their new exalted status were played at Doncaster,
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 26 October, 2021, 11:21:54 am
We had a high profile new stadium application a couple of years ago. Proposed by a well known darling of sustainability.

I opposed at the DCC meeting, saying that most football clubs were unable to relocate, and so being an exemplar of sustainability was best done in the existing stadium. Building a new stadium on green fields by a motorway junction wasn't that green, and most fans will arrive by car. I also said the communities are like jigsaw puzzles, made up of bits and pieces that together make a picture. If you start removing pieces, especially larger pieces, you lose the picture.

During the debate, when a Labour Cllr said words to the effect of "Let's be clear what we are talking about, this is an outline application" I knew the game was up.

Stadia aren't covered in Local Plans, I understand, so can be built pretty much anywhere.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 26 October, 2021, 12:48:35 pm
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 October, 2021, 12:59:57 pm
I have a strong suspicion that the stadium will be dropped from the plans when SUFC goes to the wall.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/southend-chairman-ron-martin-stoops-to-new-low-swearing-at-fan-in-zoom-meeting/

In that video, Ron Martin declares how much he loves the club and calls a fan a "fucking idiot". Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.

Having said that, the club had planning permission years ago and it lapsed. I think that they have a loan lined up for this though. But I would have thought that £30m wouldn't be sufficient for thissort of project.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 October, 2021, 01:08:59 pm
Outside the Football League you can make money from your stadium by having a plastic pitch which can accommodate concerts, fairs, sporting events etc. without affecting the playing surface. But when Harrogate were promoted to league 2 ("We’re not just about Betty's tea shop anymore")  they had to replace the artificial pitch at Wetherby Road with turf. It cost £200,000 to install the turf pitch, and home games for the first 10 weeks of their new exalted status were played at Doncaster,
Doesn't the Championship count as part of the League? Ashton Gate (Bristol City) is used for concerts etc, I don't know what the pitch is made of but do know they switch it round between football and rugby on a weekly basis – pretty sure it's some sort of astro turf.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 26 October, 2021, 01:44:48 pm
.... pretty sure it's some sort of astro turf

There's a blast from the past term - rarely here that these days.

Language seems to have evolved into calling it a plastic pitch - even though I'm not sure it is made of plastic either
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 26 October, 2021, 01:47:40 pm
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
...

A very cynical thought  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 October, 2021, 01:49:37 pm
Ha! And there I was wondering if it should be astro turf or astroturf. Pretty sure it's originally a brand name, so maybe Astroturf – or even AstroTurf. I've heard them referred to as 3G, 4G, etc (not sure how many generations they've got into).
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 26 October, 2021, 02:19:12 pm
Ha! And there I was wondering if it should be astro turf or astroturf. Pretty sure it's originally a brand name, so maybe Astroturf – or even AstroTurf. I've heard them referred to as 3G, 4G, etc (not sure how many generations they've got into).
The 5G one they inject into you on the orders of Bill Gates apparently
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 26 October, 2021, 02:38:20 pm
The current version of astro is 5G. The Championship definitely counts as part of the league, Ashton Gate has to have grass, but like most modern grass pitches, there's some elemnt of artificial stuff woven in to hold in tall together:

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We have a new Desso pitch. So it’s real grass, but within it are vertically stitched artificial grass strands, punched deep into the soil, which intertwine with the real grass at the root zone and make it stronger. So imagine walking along a beach, and how the sand feels moving underfoot - well a Desso pitch stops that movement happening. It’s based on sand which is then packed down by the lawn mower making it even firmer. You don’t get chunks ripped out of it like you see after rugby scrums on TV.
https://visitbristol.co.uk/blog/read/2017/01/meet-ashton-gate-stadiums-head-of-grounds-b403
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 26 October, 2021, 07:59:55 pm
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.

Outline is a backdoor way of getting permission you wouldn't have got if you had put a full applicationin…
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 October, 2021, 08:35:37 pm
And - less than 24 hours after he's got the planning permission he was after...

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19673108.blues-chairman-ron-martin-court-alleged-fraud/

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Ronald Martin, 68, and former chief executive Geoffrey King, 75, are accused of failing to pay £4,485,000 in VAT over the sale of land in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.

The pair are also accused of failing to pay £921,260 of VAT in relation to the sale of land in Thundersley, Essex, to the same firm, Redrow Homes PLC.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 October, 2021, 09:31:24 pm
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
...

A very cynical thought  :o :o :o

A view borne out of a long time watching Ron Martin and Southend Council.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 27 October, 2021, 09:50:28 am
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.

What has this to do with the Essex Senior League - Southend won't be playing in it for at least another 4 seasons on current form
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 27 October, 2021, 09:51:23 am
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
...

A very cynical thought  :o :o :o

A view borne out of a long time watching Ron Martin and Southend Council.

Now you can follow him in Westminster Mags and the Crown Court....always so much to watch
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 27 October, 2021, 10:26:26 am
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.

What has this to do with the Essex Senior League - Southend won't be playing in it for at least another 4 seasons on current form

It was a reference to Exit stage left, the late-lamented Damon Peacock, who always found everything.... interesting!  I expect you knew that, really.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 27 October, 2021, 10:30:54 am
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.

Outline is a backdoor way of getting permission you wouldn't have got if you had put a full applicationin…

Yes, I know.  It's how Rochdale has lost so much of its green belt land and looks like losing more in the very near future.

(Rochdale still coming up on Spellchecker - maybe it knows we're going to disappear into Larger Manchester sooner than the public knew?!)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 28 October, 2021, 09:30:56 am
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being   rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance.  I'd suspect very few.  It's a huge warning indicator, I think.

What has this to do with the Essex Senior League - Southend won't be playing in it for at least another 4 seasons on current form

It was a reference to Exit stage left, the late-lamented Damon Peacock, who always found everything.... interesting!  I expect you knew that, really.
Never heard of Damon Peacock and the only use of the acronym ESL I know of is Essex Senior League.

I am afraid I do not possess mind reading skills to have known what you or others meant by your use of  an obscure acronym
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 28 October, 2021, 01:36:45 pm
Ha!  I think a little research on this forum might indicate to you that ESL, as an acronym for Damon Peacock. audaxer, cycling video poster on here and you tube, would ring a bell with hundreds of people on YACF, whereas I suspect you (and possibly Bobb) might be the only people on here (and possibly the only people outside Essex) who have even heard of the Essex Senior League.  However, as I see you joined YACF at around the time Damon's illness caused him to stop posting here (he WAS ESL), this is perfectly understandable.  Damon died earlier this year and there was quite a lot of traffic on here about him and his funeral.  But as none of that was under his own forum name, you will have missed it.  Happy to help.

Peter
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 28 October, 2021, 02:36:39 pm
Ha!  I think a little research on this forum might indicate to you that ESL, as an acronym for Damon Peacock. audaxer, cycling video poster on here and you tube, would ring a bell with hundreds of people on YACF, whereas I suspect you (and possibly Bobb) might be the only people on here (and possibly the only people outside Essex) who have even heard of the Essex Senior League.  However, as I see you joined YACF at around the time Damon's illness caused him to stop posting here (he WAS ESL), this is perfectly understandable.  Damon died earlier this year and there was quite a lot of traffic on here about him and his funeral.  But as none of that was under his own forum name, you will have missed it.  Happy to help.

Peter

so from a reference to ESL, I was supposed to know that refers to some random acronym attached to some obscure bloke on a different forum?

Like I said, my mind reading skills are obviously not up to scratch.

Oh and this is a thread about a football club in Essex, which is where strangely the Essex Senior League - a football league is based
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 28 October, 2021, 02:59:48 pm
Sure, a different sub-forum (not forum) and a different person not previously referenced in this discussion. That reference was not actually intended for you and the reference was explained when the confusion became evident.

Any group that has been around for a while will have a history and some in-group references. YACF is no different. None of this is criticising you. Peter just forgot that not everybody understands every semi-obscure reference. No big deal.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: DuncanM on 28 October, 2021, 03:41:38 pm
The footballing press seem to be reporting that the planning permission is good news for Southend fans, even while they are pointing out the legal problems Ron Martin has going on.
Are they just being willfully blind, or would there be some justification (making the enormously charitable assumption that Martin is going to go through with the plan and not just build the houses and fold the club)?
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 28 October, 2021, 05:40:29 pm
Sure, a different sub-forum (not forum) and a different person not previously referenced in this discussion. That reference was not actually intended for you and the reference was explained when the confusion became evident.

Any group that has been around for a while will have a history and some in-group references. YACF is no different. None of this is criticising you. Peter just forgot that not everybody understands every semi-obscure reference. No big deal.

Thank you, D!  And, furthermore, in a personal reference which will not be understood by all, try and stay upright!

Peter
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 28 October, 2021, 05:45:48 pm
Ha!  I think a little research on this forum might indicate to you that ESL, as an acronym for Damon Peacock. audaxer, cycling video poster on here and you tube, would ring a bell with hundreds of people on YACF, whereas I suspect you (and possibly Bobb) might be the only people on here (and possibly the only people outside Essex) who have even heard of the Essex Senior League.  However, as I see you joined YACF at around the time Damon's illness caused him to stop posting here (he WAS ESL), this is perfectly understandable.  Damon died earlier this year and there was quite a lot of traffic on here about him and his funeral.  But as none of that was under his own forum name, you will have missed it.  Happy to help.

Peter

so from a reference to ESL, I was supposed to know that refers to some random acronym attached to some obscure bloke on a different forum?

Like I said, my mind reading skills are obviously not up to scratch.

Oh and this is a thread about a football club in Essex, which is where strangely the Essex Senior League - a football league is based

Ref: the bold stuff - no, a far from random bloke, known as ESL all over THIS forum to many people, as I think you will see I said.  But as LWaB said, no big deal!  (PS  This thread is not about a football club, it's about Southend FC - not the same thing at all!)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Jaded on 28 October, 2021, 06:43:37 pm
^  ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 October, 2021, 04:49:56 pm
Indeed, it's not about football so it should probably be in P&OBI. But much of what is happening to Southend, in the name of football, indicates how many very powerful tails wag our political dog. I'm sure this is by no means unique to Southend.

In the bowels of P&OBI are threads about Southend Airport and its expansion. A vast amount of public money has been ploughed into this, to the extent that a road has been diverted, a station built, and a runway extended so that Stobart, EasyJet and Ryanair can fly planes out of the airport to new, exciting destinations. And - guess what? Ryanair and Easyjet have both fucked off, leaving the airport with very few passenger flights.

The very strong link between the airport project and the football project is that the driving forces are very dodgy geezers who are no strangers to the inside of courtrooms for the wrong reasons. Yet our council is prepared to humour them and support them in projects which do nothing to enhance the experience of the people who live here - quite the opposite. The significant part of the town's population who are unfortunate to live under the flight path have had their lives blighted by noise, and if the football club gets its way, the two roads I mentioned in my piece to the council will become even more snarled up than they already are, leaving about half the town - the eastern half - having to negotiate ceaseless traffic jams before they can access the rest of the world. 20 years ago I played a reasonably major role in trying to stop the council from widening Priory Crescent to dual carriageway. We were successful, but I'm realistic enough understand that that probably wasn't our doing so much as the council massively underestimating how much the road was going to cost. I shall forever be grateful to Tom Brake, Lib Dem transport spokesman at the time, who stood up in parliament and told the then Sec of State for Transport, Alistair Darling, that it would be the most expensive 800 metres of non-motorway road in the world, and it would be "cheaper to pave it with gold".

That issue was the major talking point in Southend Council for about 10 years, because of the congestion. I have yet to watch the rest of the proceedings of that meeting, but I will be surprised if any of the current councillors give it a mention.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 03 November, 2021, 01:07:17 pm
Southend won a game.

In fact it was a convincing score line 4-1


however, they were playing Dover who are on course to end season still on a negative points total
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 07 November, 2021, 11:41:28 am
See Southend have decided to concentrate on the league and foregone a cup run
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 07 November, 2021, 12:04:32 pm
 ;D

I think Halifax was the place to be for cup football yesterday:-

FC Halifax 7  Maidenhead 4  !
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 16 November, 2021, 10:20:08 am
Another defeat for Southend at the weekend.

Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 16 November, 2021, 11:30:17 am
HTGT - it's not going well, is it, though probably according to plan!

Maybe you are going to have to bite the bullet and draw a line under Southend.  I found it surprisingly easy to do when the Arab murderers bought Newcastle.  I ditched decades of supporting my childhood team and now throw my almost non-existent weight behind Rochdale, where I've lived for 40 years and more.  I thought it would be hard, but it wasn't!

All the best

Peter

Maybe Woking might be a better bet?  They seem to be doing ok!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 16 November, 2021, 05:09:41 pm
HTGT - it's not going well, is it, though probably according to plan!

Maybe you are going to have to bite the bullet and draw a line under Southend.  I found it surprisingly easy to do when the Arab murderers bought Newcastle.  I ditched decades of supporting my childhood team and now throw my almost non-existent weight behind Rochdale, where I've lived for 40 years and more.  I thought it would be hard, but it wasn't!

All the best

Peter

Maybe Woking might be a better bet?  They seem to be doing ok!


 


I don't follow Southend and never have done.

i'm just a football fan who takes an interest in what's going on across the football fixture
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 16 November, 2021, 06:40:47 pm
OK!
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2021, 02:54:04 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4sOtzwOuJk84vZrN8ti6cp2CCV6HClBiZ6wYngpFaGRNGyYeHjjYLpNoMPu7Qx1NrzHKKftUK20ghGZ29-_gOkZzjaugwigJdku_BTJNnO5_LlL6wGDnzOkBmQ_PmdnVL0maQs3xyA8=w2400)

I had this drawn to my attention recently, demonstrating the dedication of some SUFC supporters. I'm told that the match is San Marino v England.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 25 November, 2021, 10:01:35 am
Best result on the pitch in a while for Southend on Tuesday night.

Their home game was postponed as visitors had Covid outbreak.

Southend fans seen wandering about dazed & confused as not used to Southend not losing on a matchday
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 25 November, 2021, 08:15:24 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 November, 2021, 10:06:10 am
I read that SUFC chairman Ron “Honest” Martin’s court case in respect of allegations that he and another defrauded HMRC of a sum in excess of £5m has been adjourned, with talk of a trial date of May 2023. His co-allegee (is that a word?) is 75. Something tells me this one will run and run…
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 29 November, 2021, 03:48:54 pm
I read that SUFC chairman Ron “Honest” Martin’s court case in respect of allegations that he and another defrauded HMRC of a sum in excess of £5m has been adjourned, with talk of a trial date of May 2023. His co-allegee (is that a word?) is 75. Something tells me this one will run and run…

I think you mean "co-accused"


Case 1st appears at Mags Court and is sent to Crown Court, where a timetable is set - basically when has Crown Court got sufficient time to hear a trial with that time estimate. January 2023 is when the trial date has been set for. That  is not unusual given the current backlogs in court listing

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19735530.southend-united-chairman-ron-martin-court-unpaid-tax-claim/
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 13 December, 2021, 01:57:40 pm
Another defeat for Southend, but they stay out of relegation zone still.

Dover still on -8 points after 19 games. Even if they had not had a 12 point deduction, they would only be on 4 points after 19 games and certain for relegation
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 December, 2021, 01:35:20 pm
I went for a walk with My Pal Mel the other day. In the conversation he told me of the occasion that he and his wife toured the Old Trafford stadium, home of the much-vaunted Newton Heath football club, or whatever they call themselves these days.

The old stager showing them round made some comment that MUFC have a plus score against pretty well every team they've ever played, or some such bunkum. Mel said "I know one team who hold a 100% record against Manchester United."

That team is, of course, Saarfend.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Canardly on 29 December, 2021, 02:01:54 pm
Clog Gang United lacks a certain je ne sais quoi.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 December, 2021, 05:40:48 pm
As a denizen of Basingstoke (Basingstoke and Deane population 176,000), I look upwards at Southend United FC (Southend population 183,000) from the 8th tier of football to the fifth and aspire to consider playing the heady heights of Dover at some point.  Maybe if we meet in the 7th tier.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 20 January, 2022, 12:40:33 pm
One thing for Southend United fans is that at least they will not suffer the fate of York City in 2016/17 and FC Halifax in 2015/16 in winning the FA Trophy and being relegated from the National League (Conference) in same season.

This is mainly because Southend United lost to Essex rivals Dagenham & Redbridge FC in the FA Trophy 4th Round last Saturday
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2022, 09:39:21 pm
I've just been outside to bring the wheelie bin back into the garden and I heard an enormous shout from the direction of the football ground. It looks - and sounds - as though Southend have just scored the winning goal against King's Lynn, about 5 minutes into injury time.

I saw a lot of people heading towards the ground earlier. Southend are still drawing decent crowds, despite their lowly status.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 February, 2022, 07:42:15 pm
Southend seem to be the in-form (as opposed to infirm) team in their division at the moment, having won their last 4 games.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Hair_Today_Gone_Tomorrow on 14 February, 2022, 11:55:28 am
They do seem to have finally found their feet in this division and relegation is no longer a realistic threat. Should give them a platform to build on for a promotion challenge next season
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 April, 2022, 07:06:08 pm
Arising out of the last two posts, I have had a look at the league table for the first time for a while.

Southend have lost their past 5 games.

I was cycling in the opposite direction of a small coterie of on-foot football types this afternoon. One said to me "Which way to the football ground Catweasel?" Makes a change from Santa I suppose.
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Peter on 16 April, 2022, 12:06:37 pm
They would be from Wealdstone, which is an anagram of "don't weasel", so I hope you didn't tell them.  (It would be too Harrowing)
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 04 May, 2022, 08:45:47 am
"Extreme examples of lower-league teams in huge stadiums and vice versa" proclaims the Graun. But it doesn't mention Southend once!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/04/the-knowledge-extreme-examples-of-lower-league-football-teams-in-huge-stadiums-and-vice-versa
Title: Re: Southend Football
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2022, 06:42:10 pm
Well, it's still the figment of some deranged planner's imagination. It will be years before it comes to fruition - if it ever does.