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Karla

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #125 on: 18 May, 2020, 02:14:56 pm »
That sort of people will enrage people who already get unreasonably enraged at the thought of others being allowed to pitch their tents, and will do nothing at all to anyone who thinks that pitching your tent on a moor is no big deal.

Haters gonna hate.

fuaran

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #126 on: 18 May, 2020, 02:19:47 pm »

Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #127 on: 18 May, 2020, 03:05:59 pm »
Photos like this are unlikely to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52704317
Roadside camping isn't wild camping.

Looks like the mine shops near Surrender Bridge. Daft if is, there are loads of tracks up the fells accessible from there, and no one would have ever known.

Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #128 on: 21 May, 2020, 03:58:16 pm »
An official site obviously isn't wild camping and showmen I'd think get permission to set up their temporary sites for the duration of the show. There are annual fairs and circuses on the Downs in Bristol (it's more like a large urban park than what you'd normally call Downs), the vans are pitched next to the show site and it's all clearly above board and authorised. A group of caravans without a show camping in the same place would definitely not be tolerated.

Are you sure? Parry's Lane on the northern edge of the Downs regularly seems to be full of parked vans. e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/bristol/comments/gmcxa4/does_anyone_know_why_parrys_lane_on_the_downs_is/

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #129 on: 21 May, 2020, 04:46:29 pm »
The fairs and circuses set up by the Water Tower, actually on the grass rather than the road. Parry's Lane is the other end of the Downs and the vans there are on the road, rather than the grass, which makes them highways responsibility rather than the Downs Committee.
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Kim

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #130 on: 21 May, 2020, 07:46:20 pm »
Parry's Lane is the other end of the Downs and the vans there are on the road, rather than the grass mud, which makes them highways responsibility rather than the Downs Committee.

FTFY   :)

Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #131 on: 23 May, 2020, 06:51:15 pm »
Photos like this are unlikely to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52704317

Too right. If you’re going to wild camp be discrete! Bright tents in a gang  ???

Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #132 on: 24 May, 2020, 05:59:27 am »
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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #134 on: 13 March, 2021, 10:16:41 am »
The second reading debate for the Bill on unauthorised encampments is happening next week.

Reading the Government's factsheet, they state in the FAQs:

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4.2 Is this going to affect people using the countryside?

No, nothing changes for ramblers or those wishing to enjoy the countryside. The offence only affects those residing on, or intending to reside on, land with a vehicle, who cause or are likely to cause significant damage, disruption or distress and who do not leave the land or remove their property without reasonable excuse when asked to do so by the occupier of the land, their representative or a constable.

Given the 'with a vehicle' makes be nervous. Bivvying with a bicycle?

The full details I received are:

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MPs will debate the Police, Crime, Courts and Sentencing Bill on Monday 15 and Tuesday 16 March in the main House of Commons chamber.

This is a Second Reading debate, where Members debate the general principles of the Bill. At the end of the debate, the Commons decides whether the Bill should be given its second reading, meaning it can proceed to the next stage.

The Government has said that this Bill will create a criminal offence of residing in a vehicle on land without permission, but that the new offence has been framed in such a way as to ensure that the rights of ramblers and others to enjoy the countryside are not impacted. The Government has said that the Bill will also give the police the power to seize vehicles, and strengthen existing powers.

You can read the Government's factsheet about this Bill's provisions on unauthorised encampments here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-factsheets/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-unauthorised-encampments-factsheet

Watch the debate, which should start at approximately 3.30pm on Monday and 12.30pm on Tuesday, here:

Monday 15 March: https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/b1c475ce-a63f-4769-9070-566963040718

Tuesday 16 March: https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/67a700ab-4500-4fdb-802b-f2e06854f6e1

You'll be able to read a transcript of the debates a few hours after they happen: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons

Find out more about Second Readings here: https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/lords/lrds-commons-second-reading/

This debate is in addition to any debate the Petitions Committee schedules on this petition. We’ll message you to let you know as soon as the Committee schedules a debate on this petition.

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #135 on: 13 March, 2021, 11:28:02 am »
The current wording is published here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0268/200268.pdf (page 66 of the PDF).

Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #136 on: 13 March, 2021, 11:34:41 am »
The legal text makes clear that there's an "and" between having a vehicle and causing significant damage. Also the offence is not leaving when asked, not merely being there.

Though the definition of a vehicle is rather curious:
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any vehicle, whether or not it is in a fit state for use on 30 roads, and includes any chassis or body, with or without wheels, appearing to have formed part of such a vehicle, and any load carried by, and anything attached to, such a vehicle

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #137 on: 13 March, 2021, 12:34:46 pm »
I think that is a long winded way of saying “no gypsies”

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #138 on: 13 March, 2021, 12:38:47 pm »
I think that is a long winded way of saying “no gypsies”
Seeing as they've defined "vehicle" to include caravans, mobile homes, broken down buses, etc, yes, it is. Although that doesn't mean an anti-traveller bill won't be used against others.
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Re: wild camping to be made illegal in the UK
« Reply #139 on: 13 March, 2021, 02:46:34 pm »
I think that is a long winded way of saying “no gypsies”

Yep.  Another attack on one if the most marginalised groups in society. 
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I completely agree with Reg.

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