Author Topic: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020  (Read 3113 times)

Wowbagger

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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #25 on: 30 July, 2021, 09:26:12 pm »
I suspect that once the consultation period has expired, we will never hear of this legislation again. Tory governments don't introduce progressive legislation. I think there have been 3 examples in the past 100 years in which they have.
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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #26 on: 30 July, 2021, 09:57:29 pm »
UK Zebra Crossings confer no rights until you step off the pavement according to the Highway Code. I know in practice most drivers will identify people wanting to cross, but that's not what the book says.

It is however down to "sharing the roads" and considering the needs for others at the point of priority.  Main roads have priority, but in general UK drivers will stop to allow a pedestrian to cross at the zebra crossing.

In Europe I have noticed a significantly higher number of zebra crossings in built up areas, but drivers ignore them and pedestrians cannot cross.  Thereby making the point of lights and road markings irrelevant as they do not change driver behaviour. 

This goes back to my point re it not being a matter of what a paper document states, but it should be a case of us all as road users just being excellent to one another.

In the past as a driver I have stopped on a main road to allow people to cross.  As a pedestrian I have danced between moving traffic.  As a cyclist I have passed queues, stopped for others, and been knocked off.  As a driver I've slowed and flashed to allow somebody to turn when I could have carried on with priority, and at other times I have ploughed on with priority as had I slowed and flashed it could have caused confusion and a potential accident due to two vehicles moving off (and I know that by flashing I am simply "alerting another vehicle to my presence" or whatever the wording is, even though the general use in the world is "after you because I'm polite")

Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #27 on: 30 July, 2021, 10:23:37 pm »
I suspect that once the consultation period has expired, we will never hear of this legislation again. Tory governments don't introduce progressive legislation. I think there have been 3 examples in the past 100 years in which they have.

The consultation period has ended (in October last year, hence the title of this thread). And we have heard of it since (hence this thread). Now due to go be presented in Parliament. Of course your cynicism might prove to be correct and it is rejected by Parliament. But that seems unlikely to me.

Despite a poor track record, this is one of three pieces of relatively good news today on environment/travel. The others being the rejection of the A303 tunnel and Shapps announcing that premature termination of LTNs and other active travel pilots by local councils will result in withdrawal of funding.

Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #28 on: 31 July, 2021, 08:50:59 am »
I like some of the work by the Dutch Cycling Embassy. I’ve tried, and failed, to copy some stuff onto here.
One thing that they have done is to identify different types of cyclists - but noting that many of us can be different types at different times.
I’ve always thought that the “ one size fits all” approach to cycling is unhelpful.
I recommend a look at their Facebook or website


Jaded

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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #30 on: 02 December, 2021, 05:30:49 pm »
It is fascinating that the Disagree comments get so much weight.
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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #31 on: 02 December, 2021, 05:51:19 pm »
I think that's reasonable. If there is some sort of consensus in the disagrees it bears looking in to. And they do state that they dismissed irrelevant comments around insurance, helmets etc.

Jaded

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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #32 on: 02 December, 2021, 06:01:07 pm »
It could give the impression of weakening the very strong agree numbers.
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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #33 on: 02 December, 2021, 06:08:32 pm »
I agree that overall a reasonably fair response and good outcome. But disappointed they regarded comments about helmets and hiviz out of scope. The HC advice on cyclists wearing PPE seems out of line with their new road user hierarchy emphasis and acts to undermine it. Couldn’t be more clearly illustrated by today’s comments from Nick “The Mr Arsehole” Freeman - https://twitter.com/TheMrLoophole/status/1466111083257733120 (and some great responses from Surrey RPU)

quixoticgeek

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Re: Highway code review consultation - deadline 27th October 2020
« Reply #34 on: 04 December, 2021, 11:50:59 am »
I agree that overall a reasonably fair response and good outcome. But disappointed they regarded comments about helmets and hiviz out of scope. The HC advice on cyclists wearing PPE seems out of line with their new road user hierarchy emphasis and acts to undermine it. Couldn’t be more clearly illustrated by today’s comments from Nick “The Mr Arsehole” Freeman - https://twitter.com/TheMrLoophole/status/1466111083257733120 (and some great responses from Surrey RPU)

That survey closes on Tuesday and hasn't even got enough responses to get a written reply from the government.

That's actually kinda reassuring.

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