Author Topic: Closed level crossings  (Read 4517 times)

Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #50 on: 19 November, 2021, 06:53:37 pm »
There are a fair few roads like this on the eastern end of the Central Line of the London tube network.  That bit of line was originally a Great Eastern Railway branch line until being taken over by the tube network around the time of the Second World War and converted to third rail electric in the late 1940s.  Of course, that meant the existing level crossings all had to be closed for obvious safety reasons.  Some, like the crossing at South Woodford Station, George Lane, South Woodford, E18 were replaced with new bridges and revised road layouts.  Others, like Snakes Lanes, Woodford Green and (I think) Eagle Lane, Wanstead, were replaced with pedestrian only subways.  All effectively cutting the road in half.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #51 on: 19 November, 2021, 07:13:41 pm »
There is a recent example of this at the west end of Feltham station. Plenty of 3rd rail level crossings still exist on National Rail though.
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #52 on: 19 November, 2021, 07:59:02 pm »
There are a fair few roads like this on the eastern end of the Central Line of the London tube network.  That bit of line was originally a Great Eastern Railway branch line until being taken over by the tube network around the time of the Second World War and converted to third rail electric in the late 1940s.  Of course, that meant the existing level crossings all had to be closed for obvious safety reasons.  Some, like the crossing at South Woodford Station, George Lane, South Woodford, E18 were replaced with new bridges and revised road layouts.  Others, like Snakes Lanes, Woodford Green and (I think) Eagle Lane, Wanstead, were replaced with pedestrian only subways.  All effectively cutting the road in half.

Not quite the same thing but this reminds me that there's something similar by New Beckenham station - at least, I think that's what is going on - it looks likely, from the map view - although there's no visible evidence it was ever a level crossing. Anyway, there's a pedestrian tunnel under the rail line and it's a useful cut-through from Park Rd to Lennard Rd when I'm cycling from Bromley into central London via East Dulwich (I have a few different routes and this variant is possibly my favourite).
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #53 on: 19 November, 2021, 08:44:08 pm »
There’s a manned crossing near me, on a lane frequently used by cyclists . They’ve fitted chains and padlocks on the pedestrian gates due to frequent cases of cyclists going across closed gates, and despite being told by the keeper that a train was due.

Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #54 on: 19 November, 2021, 10:03:10 pm »
Turns out this one was mentioned in the HoC by Airey Neave, Thatcher's Northern Ireland enforcer

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There's an interesting one on the London Reading line, level crossing replaced by an combined cycle and pedestrian bridge.  https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4479243,-0.4116772,3a,75y,164.06h,91.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6tFUHqnAcENKhn3pLqnJyw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6tFUHqnAcENKhn3pLqnJyw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D92.877594%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #55 on: 22 November, 2021, 11:25:58 am »
There are a fair few roads like this on the eastern end of the Central Line of the London tube network.  That bit of line was originally a Great Eastern Railway branch line until being taken over by the tube network around the time of the Second World War and converted to third rail electric in the late 1940s.  Of course, that meant the existing level crossings all had to be closed for obvious safety reasons.  Some, like the crossing at South Woodford Station, George Lane, South Woodford, E18 were replaced with new bridges and revised road layouts.  Others, like Snakes Lanes, Woodford Green and (I think) Eagle Lane, Wanstead, were replaced with pedestrian only subways.  All effectively cutting the road in half.

Not quite the same thing but this reminds me that there's something similar by New Beckenham station - at least, I think that's what is going on - it looks likely, from the map view - although there's no visible evidence it was ever a level crossing. Anyway, there's a pedestrian tunnel under the rail line and it's a useful cut-through from Park Rd to Lennard Rd when I'm cycling from Bromley into central London via East Dulwich (I have a few different routes and this variant is possibly my favourite).
That one seems to have been built as a subway/overbridge when the railway was built
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #56 on: 22 November, 2021, 11:45:52 am »
That one seems to have been built as a subway/overbridge when the railway was built

Yes, that seems quite likely.

From the map view, it looks obvious that the road predated the railway line, but if there ever was a level crossing, there's no visible evidence remaining.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #57 on: 22 November, 2021, 12:06:43 pm »
Turns out this one was mentioned in the HoC by Airey Neave, Thatcher's Northern Ireland enforcer

An interesting fellow - escaped from Colditz and made it back to the UK after walking to Gibraltar, then joined the Nuremberg trials and as a fluent German speaker was in charge of delivering the indictments.

There's an interesting one on the London Reading line, level crossing replaced by an combined cycle and pedestrian bridge.  https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4479243,-0.4116772,3a,75y,164.06h,91.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6tFUHqnAcENKhn3pLqnJyw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6tFUHqnAcENKhn3pLqnJyw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D92.877594%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

That's the Feltham example mentioned telstarbox above. Interestingly I think this was more to do with the need to lengthen the platforms for the new 10 car trains as well as the desire to remove the level crossing for track safety and journey times. Unfortunately I am not sure how they will solve the level crossings between Staines and Egham (2), Egham and Virginia Water (2) or the one on the A30 at Sunningdale. They are removing one of the 3 between Bracknell and Wokingham but I haven't seen any plans for the other two yet.
The ones further into London between Richmond and Barnes must be a real pig for the residents as there are so many trains on the line they are probably closed more than they are open.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #58 on: 22 November, 2021, 12:19:33 pm »
The ones further into London between Richmond and Barnes must be a real pig for the residents as there are so many trains on the line they are probably closed more than they are open.
Horton Rd in Gloucester is like that. Five tracks forming a Y-shaped junction with the station just a mile to the west, where all the tracks join. I've been waiting there for ten minutes or more at a time. (In fact I thought they'd closed this and built a footbridge but streetview shows it still open.) https://goo.gl/maps/SLLTcw86rAVntUvT6
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #59 on: 22 November, 2021, 12:40:45 pm »

The ones further into London between Richmond and Barnes must be a real pig for the residents as there are so many trains on the line they are probably closed more than they are open.
They always were! I lived there forty years ago and Mortlake was a strangely isolated place - nothing of note there anyway except for the largest Watneys brewery in London (now defunct). Even then the line was at capacity during rush hour. Fortunately there were plenty of footbridges.

Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #60 on: 22 November, 2021, 12:44:44 pm »

Horton Rd in Gloucester is like that. Five tracks forming a Y-shaped junction with the station just a mile to the west, where all the tracks join. I've been waiting there for ten minutes or more at a time. (In fact I thought they'd closed this and built a footbridge but streetview shows it still open.) https://goo.gl/maps/SLLTcw86rAVntUvT6
I tried it one - never again. Trains go into Gloucester station, stop and reverse out again: I'm sure the level crossing stays closed for the whole manoevre.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #61 on: 22 November, 2021, 01:12:07 pm »
That one seems to have been built as a subway/overbridge when the railway was built

Yes, that seems quite likely.

From the map view, it looks obvious that the road predated the railway line, but if there ever was a level crossing, there's no visible evidence remaining.

An interesting fellow - escaped from Colditz and made it back to the UK after walking to Gibraltar, then joined the Nuremberg trials and as a fluent German speaker was in charge of delivering the indictments.

I read his Colditz books as a teen (early 80s), and on trying to find out more about what had become of him, was shocked to discover that he'd got himself blown up by the IRA. That sucks.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #62 on: 22 November, 2021, 01:45:24 pm »
Or was it the MPLA?
Or the UDA?
Or the IRA?
I thought it was the UK.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #63 on: 22 November, 2021, 03:05:32 pm »
There are a surprising number still across mainlines in the SW.  One I regularly use is open to all vehicles, but until recently you couldn't gpx across it.

The one across six tracks by Exeter St David's is the most impressive.

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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #64 on: 22 November, 2021, 03:12:31 pm »
Apparently there is a manually operated LC across seven tracks somewhere in Norfolk. Four tracks of ECML and three of another line running alongside. There is a slight gap between the two and in the past it used to be two separate crossings – supposedly the crossing operator used to leave people stranded there if they annoyed him.

Ed: Found a video of what is probably the same one. Six tracks not seven and it's in Cambridgeshire.
https://youtu.be/YfYWKEroQZE
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #65 on: 22 November, 2021, 04:21:51 pm »
I think it was the INLA?

Probably, I don't remember. One of those republican groups anyway. Unless you believe the conspiracy theories...
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Re: Closed level crossings
« Reply #66 on: 22 November, 2021, 05:54:41 pm »
I think it was the INLA?

Probably, I don't remember. One of those republican groups anyway. Unless you believe the conspiracy theories...

Blimey!  I'd forgotten about most of that.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airey_Neave#Conspiracy_theories