Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: quixoticgeek on 14 August, 2020, 11:14:49 am
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Has the Audax year been quietly moved to now finish at the end of October and match the ACP year.
Is this the case?
J
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Yes (not quietly though).
See last paragraph here:
https://audax.uk/news/covid-19-update-13-august-2020/
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Just moving back to where it once was!
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Just moving back to where it once was!
Indeed - with a suggestion it will offered as a motion at the AGM to make the move permanent.
Anyway - good stuff and good to see the longer stuff back on in perm form at least.
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Perms will keep the hardcore audaxers happy enough and calendar brevets can be introduced in an appropriate manner to suit circumstances.
Changing the season end date is pragmatic for this year and allows the possibility of AUK realigning with every other organisation again.
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Apart from anything else no-one will want a 'short' season next year so hopefully it will stick.
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Excellent news. Now if they can just increase the number of BRMs...
Thanks all.
J
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Excellent news. Now if they can just increase the number of BRMs...
I agree: excellent news - and opportunity to ECE calendar 300s (if/when organised) from next month.
Who is "they" and how many BRMs do you think is a reasonable target? Was the number of BRMs in 2019 inadequate?
The range of audaxes from 50 to 200 and beyond, BRM or not, seems a key strength of Audax UK and serves a wide range of riders of all ages, genders and other categorizations, and provides a pathway to longer rides, home or abroad. You have articulated the argument for BRM status for rides before, but the BR/BRM distinction matters very little to the vast majority of riders, except the year before a leap year (and Audax UK deal splendidly with that special requirement every 4 years).
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I sometimes get complaints about my BRMs, something to do with 'bonus' kilometres ... Unless it's a DIY by gps, it will be hard to get the ridden distance spot-on, at least without sticking to main-roady minumum distances.
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Now if they can just increase the number of BRMs...
To what end?
It’s up to individual organisers whether to make their rides BR or BRM. I changed mine to BR because i could see no benefit to it being BRM. But I’m open to being persuaded otherwise.
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Are multi day events counted on the day they start or end? The reason I ask is that October 31st is a Saturday and if I start a 600km on that day will it count as 2020 or 2021?
BB
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The day you start the brevet is the AUK standard now. Many years ago, you had to have finished your brevet by midnight on the last day of the season but no more.
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The day you start the brevet is the AUK standard now.
Just for clarity, for RRTY in 2017, LEL could be counted as either a July or August ride. So there may be some exceptions, but I would not expect a 600km starting in October 2020 to be able to be counted for the next season.
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The day you start the brevet is the AUK standard now.
Just for clarity, for RRTY in 2017, LEL could be counted as either a July or August ride. So there may be some exceptions, but I would not expect a 600km starting in October 2020 to be able to be counted for the next season.
I am looking at dates for completing SR in 2020 and can now include that weekend for the 600 options.
BB
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The day you start the brevet is the AUK standard now. Many years ago, you had to have finished your brevet by midnight on the last day of the season but no more.
Due to a confusion in some minds as to which day 'midnight' belongs to, we used to give events with a midnight start a start time of 23:59. ::-)
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The day you start the brevet is the AUK standard now. Many years ago, you had to have finished your brevet by midnight on the last day of the season but no more.
Due to a confusion in some minds as to which day 'midnight' belongs to, we used to give events with a midnight start a start time of 23:59. ::-)
Didn't Theresa may get confused about that ;D
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Now if they can just increase the number of BRMs...
To what end?
Some people are chasing ACP awards, which includes distance over and above the required number of SRs, PBP and Arrow, it's a bit crap that in the UK for 2 years out of the 4 and at worst 4 out of 6 you have to go hunting for them in a calendar of non-counters.
That said...
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Due to a confusion in some minds as to which day 'midnight' belongs to, we used to give events with a midnight start a start time of 23:59. ::-)
Ah! You have just answered a long standing puzzle. I've just dug out my Brevet cards* for the Plains 300 of 2000, 2001 and 2002 to check that they all had 00:01 as the start time, when quite "obviously" they were intended to have a midnight start time. So these were all Sunday events, not Saturday! After this date, I had a break from this event until 2008, by which point the start time had become 23:00, I think because we lost the use of the café willing to stay open that late. We probably out-grew the parking capacity anyway.
* I have an almost complete collection from 29 seasons of Audaxing, all in date order in a shoe box. There aren't that many filed under 2019-2020.
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Some people are chasing ACP awards...
Of course! I'd forgotten about that (though it has of course come up in previous discussions of the subject).
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Just looking at my maths.
I'm on 8767 BRM Kms
I still need to ride
another 1000
a 1200+ that isn't PBP
and an SR600
But I made decent use of 2018 and 2019 and have til 2023 to get ACP R10000 done, this year being a write off for 2 reasons though means I'll be dipping into PBP'23 time for longer rides to get it done.
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* I have an almost complete collection from 29 seasons of Audaxing, all in date order in a shoe box. There aren't that many filed under 2019-2020.
Ditto for 31 years---complete collection of brevet cards and route sheets.
I did raise the year end topic at the AGM near Peterborough a couple of years back---it makes sense and feels natural to end the AUK year as the hour changes. There seemed to be a groundswell of support for this at the meeting.
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Just looking at my maths.
I'm on 8767 BRM Kms
I still need to ride
another 1000
a 1200+ that isn't PBP
and an SR600
But I made decent use of 2018 and 2019 and have til 2023 to get ACP R10000 done, this year being a write off for 2 reasons though means I'll be dipping into PBP'23 time for longer rides to get it done.
I'm not sure on my brm totals, but I know I have 2x full series plus 2 more 300s and two more 400s, plus pbp plus arrow, so i need another lrm ride and the sr600.
Earliest counting ride is may 2017, so a have a while left. Attempting the SR600 at the weekend, leaving just the wait for long brevets to return, hopefully next summer
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I have an ECE related query;
If a calendar event is weather postponed until the next AUK season does it count for the previous or the new season?
If the event in question is the one I believe it to be then the results appear in season 2020.
Theres some weird shit going on with the names on the results list too.
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If it's this event, then it seems to have been recorded as it's original planned date, not the actual date.
Yes, dunno why everyone has gone incognito.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50587992586_d25118c739_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k5hFJJ)
Deeside Dawdle Finishers List (https://flic.kr/p/2k5hFJJ) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
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If it's this event, then it seems to have been recorded as it's original planned date, not the actual date.
Yes, dunno why everyone has gone incognito.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50587992586_d25118c739_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k5hFJJ)
Deeside Dawdle Finishers List (https://flic.kr/p/2k5hFJJ) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
My guess is that the unnamed riders hadn't ridden any other events in the 2020 season and as it was processed during 2021 season. The automatic calculating scripts that run to tally results haven't gone and pulled names verus the membership numbers. Notice how the points haven't been added to your 2020 total, which usually does happen about 24hrs after the provisional results post up.
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Thanks; I can't actually view that calendar event from the old or new website but I''ve added the rider's ECE and both rides now appear on that date against his 2020 total :thumbsup:
Provisional Event results are here:
https://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2020/listevent/?Ride=20-862
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To answer the original question - obviously if an event is postponed to the following season, it counts in every way towards the new season, not the old. Including any ECEs.
Now please describe what seems to be the problem with the date, so I can try and get it fixed.
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It's a simple question of when the rides were ridden (with any ECE taking the date of the host ride, even if the ECE was started before midnight).
The event shown above is dated 31st October 2020 in the Calendar data. Is that not when it was run? If not, was it an AUK event at all?
The ghost members are explainable as in a couple of posts previous. The auto-nightly results-fettling routine always runs on 'this' season, and doesn't fettle 'last' season. It will get run manually for last season at some point.
[edit to add - I've run the routine manually and the missing names are now all there.
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It's a simple question of when the rides were ridden (with any ECE taking the date of the host ride, even if the ECE was started before midnight).
The event shown above is dated 31st October 2020 in the Calendar data. Is that not when it was run? If not, was it an AUK event at all?
The ghost members are explainable as in a couple of posts previous. The auto-nightly results-fettling routine always runs on 'this' season, and doesn't fettle 'last' season. It will get run manually for last season at some point.
Event was weather postponed from 31 Oct to 7 Nov. Run in Scotland so AUK event. I have had confirmation that these events go should into the record for the original date rather than rescheduled one.
e.g. Febs Tour of East Lothian was rescheduled from 16 Feb to 8 March. But results show as original date: https://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2020/listevent/?Ride=20-58
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That is simply a lazy falsification of the records.
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That is simply a lazy falsification of the records.
In the end this will be the decision of the AUK Validation Sec and Recorder rather than comments on YACF. They are aware of the weather postponement.
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If they are aware of the change of date but haven't adjusted the data to reflect this, that is wilful falsification of the records! >:(