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Title: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Beardy on 28 October, 2021, 07:46:32 pm
Mark zuk changes his business to Meta, which is in no way an attempt to distance it from the toxicity that Facebook,is accumulating. No, it’s just a coincidence that he feels he needs to change one of the biggest names in software right now. Nothing to see here, move along now.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Jaded on 28 October, 2021, 08:24:16 pm
Prediction:

People will still call it Facebook in 10 years time.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 28 October, 2021, 08:27:12 pm
Oh, hang on, they're only changing the corporate name.  So it's a bit like how Alphabet isn't Google.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Polar Bear on 28 October, 2021, 08:28:51 pm
A floating turd still floats if you call it a shit.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Jaded on 28 October, 2021, 08:47:59 pm
Oh, hang on, they're only changing the corporate name.  So it's a bit like how Alphabet isn't Google.

Yes, thanks Kim, I was thinking that when I posted.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 28 October, 2021, 08:54:40 pm
Well the internet is having fun with the logo
(click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/BonnyCl38464459/status/1453809024907030528
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: T42 on 29 October, 2021, 09:41:28 am
"You need to rebrand it" - Donald Trump to Boeing re 737 Max.

Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: ian on 29 October, 2021, 09:52:56 am
To be honest, people can complain about them all they like, but they need to stop using their services. Which isn't happening, so whatever they're called, they'll continue to do what they want (given the reluctance of regulators to, erm, regulate).

Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: T42 on 29 October, 2021, 10:03:02 am
That^^^.  How about inciting as many folk as possible to extend the concept of Dry January to Facebook?
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Beardy on 29 October, 2021, 10:36:24 am
That^^^.  How about inciting as many folk as possible to extend the concept of Dry January to Facebook?
Thats what I did and I haven’t been back since  :)
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: T42 on 29 October, 2021, 11:23:40 am
I did it in September, and since I went back I spend very little time there.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 October, 2021, 11:48:18 am
I got booted off Farcebok around Easter 2020 and haven’t really missed it though I expect I'll have to sign up, possibly even using my own name, if the Battle Mountain event happens next year.  This may require elaborate subterfuge in the matter of IP addresses.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: ian on 29 October, 2021, 12:01:02 pm
I confess I still use WhatsApp, but I stopped FB some years ago and don't miss it.

I don't really know what the solution is to social media, but it all devolves into a cesspit of weoponized misinformation.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Polar Bear on 29 October, 2021, 12:11:03 pm
I stopped usong facef*ck a couple or more years back and even went through the laborious and deliberately difficult process of deleting my account.  Now, folk tell me that in spite of my efforts my account still exists.  I'm not going to try and log in to prove it because the last thing I want is for facef*ck to consider me active once again.

I have also stopped using WhatsApp save for a few contacts whose tech isn't up to Signal, apparently.

I have also deleted my LinkedIn account recently.

Nothing else knowingly out there that I have set up or used.

This is my social meeja experience along with a few regular channels on yewchoob that I enjoy.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: fruitcake on 29 October, 2021, 12:27:04 pm
It's a terrible rebrand.

So Facepalm had a couple of big problems when it came to public perception. People found the company's pervasiveness creepy (try deleting your account, and see what happens). And it appeared to do whatever it liked with their data. Facepalm was a data hoard for rent. That's how the company made money.

At first it was those who thought hard about the social effects (https://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/02/opinion/keen-technology-facebook/) of this technology who believed it was harmful; no surprise perhaps that Facepalm bosses were restricting the use of social media within their own families (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/12/tech-bosses-kids-time-smartphones-parents-mental-health). It was just a matter of time before the data hoard was exploited by those attempting nothing less than to influence elections (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/cambridge analytica facebook election). Big problems.

In their rebrand, the people at Facepalm chose a name which means 'self-referential'. No doubt they imagine their new name is clever, that it has a kind of hipster-geek cool. But it reveals their isolation from society.

They're now designing new hardware that will extend the presence of the internet. This they call the metaverse (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/28/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-meta-metaverse). It's their vision of a more pervasive internet, with an internet of things, and a move beyond 2D screens. The effect will be a virtual world that's difficult to separate from the physical world. And of course it gives them more opportunities to harvest data. In the hands of this company, that's creepier than the creepiest stuff we've seen.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 29 October, 2021, 12:29:24 pm
Rachel Maddow talks about it here https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/facebook-joins-list-of-infamous-companies-hiding-behind-a-name-change-124885573752 Comparing it to others who tried to hide bad stuff behind a name change.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 29 October, 2021, 12:36:45 pm
That^^^.  How about inciting as many folk as possible to extend the concept of Dry January to Facebook?
Fuck Off Facebook Fridays?
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 29 October, 2021, 12:44:59 pm
I confess I still use WhatsApp, but I stopped FB some years ago and don't miss it.

I don't really know what the solution is to social media, but it all devolves into a cesspit of weoponized misinformation.
We went through the arduous and not entirely successful process of getting Mrs Barakta's-Mum to install Zoom last night (which was a Mega-Global Fruit Co clusterfuck, but that's another story). As she failed to get it working on the MacBook or the iPad, she ended up on the same crappy iPhone she uses for WhatsApp. Shockingly, the AV sync was nevertheless perfect, with only one instance of Max Headroom audio, and no potatovision, which were both frequent problems with WhatsApp.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 29 October, 2021, 02:13:58 pm
Here's Nick and Mark talking about Meta - https://twitter.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/1454072325054377987
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: JennyB on 29 October, 2021, 02:17:46 pm
To be honest, people can complain about them all they like, but they need to stop using their services. Which isn't happening, so whatever they're called, they'll continue to do what they want (given the reluctance of regulators to, erm, regulate).




Anyone got any experience with Mastodon (https://joinmastodon.org/)?
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: T42 on 29 October, 2021, 03:02:00 pm
In their rebrand, the people at Facepalm chose a name which means 'self-referential'. No doubt they imagine their new name is clever, that it has a kind of hipster-geek cool. But it reveals their isolation from society.

I reckon it's short for metastasis.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: barakta on 29 October, 2021, 07:17:53 pm
To be honest, people can complain about them all they like, but they need to stop using their services. Which isn't happening, so whatever they're called, they'll continue to do what they want (given the reluctance of regulators to, erm, regulate).

Anyone got any experience with Mastodon (https://joinmastodon.org/)?

I know a few people who use Mastodon, but it has the same TechBro libertarian problem and non-dealing with genuinely problematic content not being removed that other social medias have.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Lightning Phil on 29 October, 2021, 08:14:21 pm
It’s also a play on all the meta data they collect
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 October, 2021, 10:43:54 pm
Facebook dead. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59090067
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Afasoas on 29 October, 2021, 11:52:27 pm
To be honest, people can complain about them all they like, but they need to stop using their services. Which isn't happening, so whatever they're called, they'll continue to do what they want (given the reluctance of regulators to, erm, regulate).

Anyone got any experience with Mastodon (https://joinmastodon.org/)?

I know a few people who use Mastodon, but it has the same TechBro libertarian problem and non-dealing with genuinely problematic content not being removed that other social medias have.

I think it very much depends on which instance you join and the instances it federates with. I gave up on it.

I've always challenged my own views on gender/sexuality/class/race as to try and live without prejudice. I always sought to challenge prejudice whenever/whereever I recognise it.

I recognise I enjoy the privilege of being white and male but it is not something I want. I truly believe that whatever characteristics/traits a person has or however they identify should never deprive them of opportunity nor make the subject to hate. Neither should a person born to a particular gender, skin colour, in a particular country or to a particular social class etc. be at an advantage to anyone else.

All that said, I found the  opinions expressed on many of the instances I explored about cis-white-males, complete with graphic descriptions of violence, to be too much.

No one should ever have to experience hate like that, on any platform, irrespective of anything.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: barakta on 30 October, 2021, 02:25:31 pm
Afasoas: What you describe about your perception of Mastodon is lived experience for women, BME, trans and disabled people on literally every other social media platform.

Are you sure it was hatred, or people 'venting' or discussing their lived experiences where cis white men have a lot of the power out there and abuse it.

I know it can be hard when a marginalised group you are not part of says quite blunt things like "bloody white people" or "fucking cis people". It can feel hard not to reply with the equivalent of #NotAllMen (#NotAllWhites or #NotAllCis)... Cos there's often general truths in there somewhere... Cos we KNOW #NotAllWhatevers but MinorityGroupTM often has to assume #YesAllWhatevers cos anything else simply isn't safe.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: quixoticgeek on 31 October, 2021, 09:37:06 am

I have a mastadon account. I think it's quality is directly related to who you follow. I basically follow a dozen or so techy geeks who I all know personally. So it's basically silly pictures and amusing security vulnerabilities. Because there is no algorithmic feed, it really is about who you follow.

But, it can also be a haven for all the shit that people have mentioned up thread. But you can avoid it by just following nice people.

J
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Afasoas on 31 October, 2021, 11:45:39 am
Afasoas: What you describe about your perception of Mastodon is lived experience for women, BME, trans and disabled people on literally every other social media platform.

Fully recognised and agreed. You are absolutely right.

Are you sure it was hatred, or people 'venting' or discussing their lived experiences where cis white men have a lot of the power out there and abuse it.

I know it can be hard when a marginalised group you are not part of says quite blunt things like "bloody white people" or "fucking cis people". It can feel hard not to reply with the equivalent of #NotAllMen (#NotAllWhites or #NotAllCis)... Cos there's often general truths in there somewhere... Cos we KNOW #NotAllWhatevers but MinorityGroupTM often has to assume #YesAllWhatevers cos anything else simply isn't safe.

I really don't have any problem with people venting or discussing their lived experiences, especially when those people are oppressed and marginalised. In fact, I would whole heartedly encourage it.
I've been villified on-line for my views in several situations. For example, standing as a candidate on a socialist platform. I was threatened, sent hate male, verbally attacked and physically threatened in the street. But I had a choice, I could have stood down. I know there are people subject to abuse who do not have that choice, so whilst I can relate, I can't really relate.

I just wish there were spaces on-line where everyone could feel respected and valued. I hate that there are members of certain groups who are subject to abuse for sharing, on any given platform. I'm lucky to have a diverse group of people I consider friends and it pains to know that there are not many spaces where they would all feel welcome.

I joined instances and followed people on Mastadon based on my technical interests. What I experienced was much much more than venting. Even with a thick skin, I wasn't really prepared to feel so villified.

On a slightly different note, I joined Telegram I got banned from a trove of groups managed by the same people for calling out some fairly horrendous misogyny and bigotry.  :sick:
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Polar Bear on 31 October, 2021, 01:09:49 pm
Social media has been turned into British rivers: a vile cesspool of toxic crap and pollution.

It's far better for a person's mental health to not bother with such shit.

I live in two worlds:  as a middle aged white man I am laden down with white privilege and all the fortune of being a man.  On the other hand I am a scrounging, lazy, workshy bastard for being disabled.   It's a truly confusing state of affairs.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 October, 2021, 01:40:54 pm
Social media has been turned into British rivers: a vile cesspool of toxic crap and pollution.

It's far better for a person's mental health to not bother with such shit.

It depends. I think it's a bit like reading newspapers online. Choose which newspaper you read with care and never read the comments. If you do this it can be a relatively sane experience I say this with twitter in mind, rather than FB, because FB for me is purely about family and friends and never about discussion.

Twitter can be incredibly useful, as long as you aware of its tribal nature, and only follow people with expertise, rather than the legions of headless chickens who start squawking and view the noise they provoke as affirmation  of truth.

I have noticed that a lot of news stories in the traditional media start their lives a day or two earlier on twitter.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 31 October, 2021, 01:52:23 pm
One advantage of Twitter is that you can access it via the API and avoid the advertising and the worst of the algorithmic engagement-manipulation.  Social media is a lot more congenial when you only see posts from people you care about in chronological order.

In general, Twitter seems more conducive to random interactions between un-connected people that can have positive outcomes (it's always lovely when you get one of those threads where random physicists and biologists come together to work out whether spiders can see the moon), rather than the social bubbling effect of Facebook.  Which isn't to say that Sturgeon's Law doesn't apply, or that if you go looking for a fight you won't find one.

Obviously Twitter's been trying to turn into Facebook since it became more than a broadcast SMS tool.  It won't end well.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: barakta on 31 October, 2021, 03:52:31 pm
Twitter can be a hellsite, but this can be dealt with by frequent use of the block button.

I do like Twitter for letting me meet and get to know people I may never have known before. People who also care about say disability or LGBT rights. I've got to know people who challenge my thinking in useful not shitty ways. I've been able to help people with disability admin cos a friend of a friend tagged me.

I would like a pure chronological timeline, but I have to bodge that a bit.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 October, 2021, 04:27:37 pm
Here is a reason why I like Twitter...

https://twitter.com/videojame_/status/1454563017090347009?s=20
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: rogerzilla on 31 October, 2021, 04:46:08 pm
I often use the word "meta" as an adjective (e.g. "A radio advert for radio advertising? That's a bit meta", and I suppose this is going to ruin it.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 31 October, 2021, 05:50:05 pm
I don't think I get what the problem is with WhatsApp. I know it's owned by Facebook and I assume it's sending all my data to a big warehouse where it's sold to advertisers and the KGB, but I assume the same happens with texts and emails. But WhatsApp, unlike YouTube, Twitter or (I presume – I've never had an account) Facebook, doesn't suggest things that it wants me to watch or read or associate with. It sends my messages to the people I choose, not the people it chooses (apart from the KGB etc).
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 31 October, 2021, 05:56:47 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 31 October, 2021, 06:06:54 pm
Well yes but that just makes it crap at those particular applications, rather than evil.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Tim Hall on 31 October, 2021, 07:40:03 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Feanor on 31 October, 2021, 07:54:15 pm
I'm on WhatsApp for family reasons, but we only use it in IM chat mode.
So I have individual chats with people, and family group chats.
And that all seems to work.

I've never looked at the video or audio calling, I have no use for those.

Re using it on a PC, I've no idea how to do that. When I set it up initially, it seemed to be tied to a mobile device and phone number. I suppose that's changed?

Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 October, 2021, 08:07:23 pm
It's very handy for kid related stuff, like tonight's Halloween party at ours, and subsequent begging for sugar trick or treating.

Set up group, add necessary people, everyone who needs to see info sees it, with no replication needed
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 31 October, 2021, 08:12:51 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 31 October, 2021, 08:17:15 pm
Re using it on a PC, I've no idea how to do that. When I set it up initially, it seemed to be tied to a mobile device and phone number. I suppose that's changed?

It seems to work the same way Signal does, with users being identified by their mobile phone number.  The desktop client has to be linked to a phone's account in order to operate.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 31 October, 2021, 08:20:26 pm
I found when my SIM was deactivated (see Rant thread) the WhatsApp still worked on my phone, though obviously only when on wi-fi. As soon as I sorted the SIM out, in a different phone, WhatsApp stopped working on the old phone.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: ian on 01 November, 2021, 09:28:09 am
...
I have noticed that a lot of news stories in the traditional media start their lives a day or two earlier on twitter.

Cheap, lazy journalism, innit. It also creates the impression that Twitter is more representative than it is. You can have a 'news' desk that really just has to regurgitate what pops up in its Twitter feed (broken up by doing much the same with the press release pieces that have dropped into the inbox).
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: quixoticgeek on 01 November, 2021, 09:33:08 am
Social media has been turned into British rivers: a vile cesspool of toxic crap and pollution.

It's far better for a person's mental health to not bother with such shit.

I live in two worlds:  as a middle aged white man I am laden down with white privilege and all the fortune of being a man.  On the other hand I am a scrounging, lazy, workshy bastard for being disabled.   It's a truly confusing state of affairs.

Twitter is only as good as the people you follow. If you turn off the algorithmic feed (I do this by using tweetdeck). Then you just get the tweets of your followers, in chronological order.

Then it's only a vile cesspit if you actively follow shit people. I do recommend that as well as following interesting people, you also follow some accounts like @emergencykittens @hourlycats @hourlywolf @otter_emergency @hourlykitten. This way you get your regular tweets about cycling and public transport (main things I seem to see other than politics), interspersed with pictures of adorable animals being adorable.

I also recommend @angrytheinch, she posts pictures of adorable red squirrels during the summer, and amazing aurora during the winter.

Twitter is only as good as the people you follow. If you're finding it full of shit, that's cos you're following the wrong people, or you've not worked out how to turn the algorithm off.

Seriously, switch to tweetdeck, follow the above accounts, and see how your experience of twitter improves.

J
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 01 November, 2021, 11:25:48 am
Agreed and also the adds are puff gone too :)
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Tim Hall on 01 November, 2021, 11:49:25 am
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).
<mode=egg sucking, user=$grandmother> I think the W10 desktop app now allows video calling. https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/ (https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/). There's an unofficial *nix app too that claims video calling is possible too. </mode> 
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Beardy on 01 November, 2021, 12:15:14 pm
I miss the days when you could use a third party app like tweetdeck to get all your social media feeds in on place and ad free into the bargain.

I’ve largely solved this conundrum by dumping nearly all social media interactions save YACF and twitter, the latter I visit only very occasionally (usually by following a link from here!). I do miss out on the wider family news on Facebook, and I occasionally miss my old friends from work, but on the whole, I think my fondleslab usage is much less negative. We use WhatsApp for family wide messaging, although I’ve recently started a campaign to try and get everyone onto Signal; it could take some time.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 01 November, 2021, 01:37:03 pm
I miss the days when you could use a third party app like tweetdeck to get all your social media feeds in on place and ad free into the bargain.

I'm still mostly following twitter via a client that displays messages in an extra channel window on my IRC client.

This renders a lot of tweets as little more than [URL to image] or [stream of emoji the terminal font doesn't have glyphs for], but for the most part I'm not missing out on much.  It means I can use the IRC client's usual features for keeping track of a stream of short messages that I may or may not be paying real-time attention to, which works very well.

I've got a lovely graphical client on my smartphone that was clamped down on by twitter for being too popular, and can no longer be installed by new users.  No adverts, chronological timeline, graceful handling of media on a bandwidth-restricted connection.  It even does ALT text properly.


Obviously none of this is in the social media companies' interests.  They might as well be running a usenet server, for all the monetisation potential.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Zipperhead on 01 November, 2021, 02:30:51 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).

Google meet only requires a browser (plus access to the camera/mike). You can create a meeting and then send her a link. The meetings can be perpetual so that the link can be bookmarked (we've been using the same one for a work meeting for 18 months, easier than slack / teams / whatever)
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 November, 2021, 04:53:51 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/1XhZLDG/IMG-20211101-WA0000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ykG0XwF)
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: nuttycyclist on 01 November, 2021, 05:27:55 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).

Google meet only requires a browser (plus access to the camera/mike). You can create a meeting and then send her a link. The meetings can be perpetual so that the link can be bookmarked (we've been using the same one for a work meeting for 18 months, easier than slack / teams / whatever)

Mrs Nutty also uses google with same link.  She never signs out.  This meant that when she entered the study (laptop with screenlock on) everybody said "good morning" and it made her jump.

Her confusion was later heightened later in the day when I asked if she'd been walking past her study door wearing only a towel whilst trying to get the children up.

Remember folks:-
1) always leave the meeting
2) always put a post-it note over the camera
3) turn the laptop off if not in use
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Zipperhead on 01 November, 2021, 10:04:02 pm
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Mrs Nutty also uses google with same link.  She never signs out.  This meant that when she entered the study (laptop with screenlock on) everybody said "good morning" and it made her jump.

Her confusion was later heightened later in the day when I asked if she'd been walking past her study door wearing only a towel whilst trying to get the children up.

Remember folks:-
1) always leave the meeting
2) always put a post-it note over the camera
3) turn the laptop off if not in use

I always close the meeting tab, the shortcut will work later....
then unplug the camera & mic.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: quixoticgeek on 01 November, 2021, 10:06:00 pm
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Mrs Nutty also uses google with same link.  She never signs out.  This meant that when she entered the study (laptop with screenlock on) everybody said "good morning" and it made her jump.

Her confusion was later heightened later in the day when I asked if she'd been walking past her study door wearing only a towel whilst trying to get the children up.

Remember folks:-
1) always leave the meeting
2) always put a post-it note over the camera
3) turn the laptop off if not in use

I always close the meeting tab, the shortcut will work later....
then unplug the camera & mic.

My laptop has a cover that mechanically goes over the lens of the camera.

And I didn't install the camera's software drivers...

J
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Beardy on 02 November, 2021, 08:03:11 am
It seems that Facebook either didn’t do the due diligence before they decided to change their name or, morel likely in my opinion, did and decided it didn’t matter.
Due diligence fail? (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/02/meta-parallel-metaverses-facebook-name-change-challenged?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)

It’s nice to think that Facebook will have to change their new name, but I’m sure that’s unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 02 November, 2021, 09:50:21 am
Presumably it would depend whether a court ruled that a worldwide operator of social media were liable to be confused with a local retailer of hardware. It seems unlikely to me but if it did, then probably the owners of the other Meta will get a payout.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: barakta on 03 November, 2021, 02:16:10 pm
I didn't like the bit where it said big companies can register in a random country which doesn't have a searchable trademark system, and then claim to have an earlier date than the originally registered company in the US. That seems extremely nasty, fishy and unfair... But capitalism...
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 12 November, 2021, 08:05:26 pm
Icelandverse HA! https://twitter.com/iceland/status/1458757245441822731?s=20
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: andyoxon on 04 February, 2022, 09:09:04 am
See that Metabookface's shares have plummeted.  oh dear, how sad, never mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/03/facebook-stock-shares-meta-mark-zuckerberg



Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 04 February, 2022, 12:21:49 pm
The market reckons we've reached peak Facebook.  I'm cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: orienteer on 04 February, 2022, 02:04:37 pm
Time to reorganise?
Meat, Mate, Tame, or Eatm
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 February, 2022, 10:34:51 pm
Welcome to Nick Clegg, in no way is he like Nick Clegg.
https://theconversation.com/meta-nick-clegg-is-doing-the-same-useful-job-for-mark-zuckerberg-as-he-did-for-david-camerons-tories-177479
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Pingu on 19 February, 2022, 11:00:41 pm
Career apologist.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: mzjo on 20 February, 2022, 09:14:58 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).
<mode=egg sucking, user=$grandmother> I think the W10 desktop app now allows video calling. https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/ (https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/). There's an unofficial *nix app too that claims video calling is possible too. </mode>

Zoom4linux (I think that's what it's called although it is only listed in the applications on my Ubuntu as Zoom) works very well where I have only had audio config problems trying to use Messenger both on Ubuntu and on W10 (although the W10 box is a particularly rubbishy HP laptop)
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Kim on 20 February, 2022, 10:58:20 pm
WhatsApp is shit at video calls (sync issues etc. described above), and doesn't work properly on a desktop computer.
I haven't had problems (maybe I've ignored them) using the web based interface for WhatsApp on my desktop. What issues are you having ?

You don't seem to be able to make video (or presumably audio) calls from the desktop application.

Unfortunately, we're using this with Natalya's Mum, who is a bogon source, and dyslexic.  FaceTime would presumably solve the problem reasonably well, but would require Fruity hardware that we don't have.  Getting her to install something that works acceptibly well for lip-reading (eg. Zoom or Signal) is a work in progress (I eventually talked her through installing Zoom on her MacBook, but was defeated from actually getting her to join a meeting by the MacBook being unable to receive email).
<mode=egg sucking, user=$grandmother> I think the W10 desktop app now allows video calling. https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/ (https://www.alphr.com/whatsapp-video-call-windows/). There's an unofficial *nix app too that claims video calling is possible too. </mode>

Zoom4linux (I think that's what it's called although it is only listed in the applications on my Ubuntu as Zoom) works very well where I have only had audio config problems trying to use Messenger both on Ubuntu and on W10 (although the W10 box is a particularly rubbishy HP laptop)

Yeah, the only reason we weren't using Zoom (which we have available on a multitude of Windows and Linux machines here) was because of PEBKAC issues at the remote end.  Mrs barakta's-mum is horribly dyslexic and has a habit of instinctively clicking on UI elements simply because she's familiar with them, without regard for what they might actually do.  This makes talking her through sorting out computer problems Type 2 Fun.

Suffice to say, she'd successfully installed Zoom on her iPad, but IOS wasn't giving an option to grant it camera/microphone permission, so that was no good.  And she couldn't use it on her Macbook, because she'd previously broken her email config, which meant we had no simple way of sending her a meeting URL to click on (dyslexic, remember).

Anyway, once barakta was able to get upstairs (where she has a proper computer with room to think) and on a much lower dose of Morphine, she was able to talk her mum through installing TeamViewer on the Macbook, from where we were able to defenestrate the suspected-malware she'd installed in Chrome, discover there was nothing wrong with her email, and configure Zoom.

Which means barakta can now do video calls with her mum that are neither  a) un-lip-readably out-of-sync  nor  b) portrait nostrilvision.  So, naturally, their more recent communications have all been by conventional telephony ::-)
This is probably a good thing, as it transpires that Mrs barakta's-mum has learned how to do screenshots.  Which means that she's in the habit of surreptitiously grabbing stills from video calls and spamming them to her friends and relatives.  (She's almost as bad at consent as she is at computers.)


She's ceremonially banned from using Facebook, for the general good of humanity.  I expect the niephews will be thankful for this in a few years time.

Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 04 March, 2022, 08:36:00 am
Facebook is now blocked in Russia. At last, some positive news from the Ukrainian war.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: DaveReading on 04 March, 2022, 08:55:51 am
Facebook is now blocked in Russia. At last, some positive news from the Ukrainian war.

In the current circumstances, that's not good news at all.
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: woollypigs on 25 April, 2022, 06:02:32 pm
Sounds like a very cozy place to be https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/25/a-barrage-of-assault-racism-and-jokes-my-nightmare-trip-into-the-metaverse
Title: Re: Welcome to Meta, in no way is it like Facebook
Post by: spesh on 11 August, 2022, 01:54:24 pm
LOL, and indeed, ROFLMAO... ;D

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Meta's new prototype chatbot has told the BBC that Mark Zuckerberg exploits its users for money.

Meta says the chatbot uses artificial intelligence and can chat on "nearly any topic".

Asked what the chatbot thought of the company's CEO and founder, it replied "our country is divided and he didn't help that at all".

Meta said the chatbot was a prototype and might produce rude or offensive answers.
...

BlenderBot 3's algorithm searches the internet to inform its answers. It is likely its views on Mr Zuckerberg have been "learnt' from other people's opinions that the algorithm has analysed.

The Wall Street Journal has reported BlenderBot 3 told one of its journalists that Donald Trump was, and will always be, the US president.

A business Insider journalist said the chatbot called Mr Zuckerberg "creepy".
...

In 2016 Microsoft apologised after Twitter users taught its chatbot to be racist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62497674

<The Register> I, for one, welcome our shitposting AI chatbot overlords. </The Register>