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Getting a dog..?
« on: 15 November, 2010, 10:18:45 pm »
TBH I'm trying to avoid it, but we're 'under pressure' from the minis (9&12) to get one.  It ramped up yesterday when we saw the cousins with their 'cute' terrier.  We already have dwarf rabbits, and getting a dog seems a step to far.  None of their immediate friends seem to have dogs.  So anyway...

Dog owners.  Did you ever regret getting a dog?   Did you have doubts and then got one and didn't look back?
Anyone.  What do you reckon?  Or, any good tips to avoid getting a dog?  ;)

Andy
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #1 on: 15 November, 2010, 10:20:34 pm »
Dogs smell. Take them to visit a small house with 2 retrievers. :sick: Or visit someone with a puppy when they are wearing their very favourite clothes.
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #2 on: 15 November, 2010, 10:24:21 pm »
I refer you to this thread.


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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #3 on: 15 November, 2010, 10:33:38 pm »
We have a dog and we haven't regretted it for a moment. He's the friendliest beast imaginable and seems to have a sixth sense that when you are feeling a bit low, you need cheering up.

He also has me well-trained. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't go out for a walk every morning.

Morphy shows a few of our pictures of him.
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #4 on: 15 November, 2010, 10:34:26 pm »
I refer you to this thread.



Oh well, perhaps there was a small regret at that point! ;D
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #5 on: 15 November, 2010, 10:42:41 pm »
If you don't have a big garden, who walks the dog. Every day, all weather. In our house? Me  >:(

If you have a big garden, who picks up the shit? In our house? Me  >:(

(It's OK, we don't have a dog. Can you guess why?)
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #6 on: 15 November, 2010, 11:00:17 pm »
I don't regret getting my dogs (well except for when they eat my favourite gadgets/ cushions from time to time anyway).

However I think getting a dog is a HUGE family decision, and not one to be taken lightly. I work with dogs and their owners as well as live with them at home, so can point out some of the issues you should consider before it's too late  :D

1. Time commitment. Your dog will need walking and letting out for frequent toilet breaks day in day out. Days where everyone in the house are working or out all day are not exceptions to this. Sometimes you will find yourself walking your dog in the freezing rain and dark after work in the winter. If you fancy a day off getting cold and wet your dog might eat your stuff in boredom! Training classes are a very very good idea, more dogs are abandoned or destroyed every year because they have developed behaviour issues than any other reason. When someone takes on a cute puppy and things go badly over the first few months, the chances of that dog finding a good permanent home later are not exactly good.

2. Tied to the house. Spontaneous family days out such as 12 hour day trip to something dogs cannot go to become impossible unless you can enlist or pay for the help of a dog sitter/ walker/ friendly neighbour / relative.

3. Summer holidays suddenly become a choice between a limited selection of dog-friendly UK destinations or an expensive kennel fee and all the dropping off and picking up nuisance on each end of your holiday just when you are busy trying to do other important stuff. I have had problems sometimes when taking dogs and kids on UK holidays, where the weather is too hot to leave the dogs in the car even for a few minutes but a lot of beaches, cafes restaurants, theme parks, camp site entertainment doesn't allow dogs. Leaving your dog in a tent only works if you take a dog crate with you, and that limits how long you can be away and on a hot day really isn't an option anyway. If you get a wet camping trip then expect your tent to become a mud bath as your wet dog tramps in and out enjoying itself (dogs never wipe their own feet haha).

4. Cost. I have 2 small/medium sized dogs and spend £40 a month on their food. Their dental chews, toys and rawhide things to chew when I go out cost probably another £10 a month. Your new puppy will immediately cost you about £70 to vaccinate, microchip and worm. Flea prevention/treatment will add another £8 ish a month if you do it properly. Neutering will be needed in the first year and will range in cost between £80 for a small male to £350 for a larger female. It is amazing how much most new dog owners need to spend to get a decent selection of dog bedding, collars, leads, harnesses etc. etc. I reckon most of us probably spend £200 approx on this in the first few months. I also spend about £500 a year on their agility classes.

5. Health & insurance. There is no NHS for pets. Because we have an NHS for ourselves most people have no idea of what decent medical treatment actually costs. I am a vet myself, and yet I pay for pet insurance for my dogs. It gives them 3rd party insurance, which would be very handy if they ever escaped into the road causing death or injury to a person making me liable in theory for millions. It also covers them for their entire life for any medical condition they suffer from (minus a relatively small annual excess per condition).
Be careful how you choose your insurance policy. The most expensive conditions your pet could get are also extremely common and tend to be the chronic incurable conditions like diabetes, epilepsy, arthritis, skin and ear diseases. If you inadvertently buy a policy with only 12 month cover per disease then you are stuffed after a year. These conditions can easily run up costs of over £10,000 over your dogs lifetime. More if your dog ends up needing hip replacements, MRI scans and other specialist treatment. Beware of companies that load your premium the following years after you have claimed to try and get rid of you. Make sure the maximum cover per year or per condition is enough. You need more than £5000 cover per year really, preferably more. Once you have insured your pet and something has actually gone wrong, you are trapped in that policy because the condition would be excluded from any new policy. I deal with people all the time who thought they had got a good bargain on their pet insurance from some supermarket or online broker or other, only to find when they need to claim their insurance is virtually worthless and now they cannot change to a decent company. PM me if you want to know which companies are poor choices, I know who pays up and who employs a team of people just to reject claims all day long on the basis of any small print they can ;)

There are leads of good things about owning a dog too, I wouldn't be without my guys, and they are trained to run by my bike for their exercise :)

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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #7 on: 15 November, 2010, 11:08:35 pm »
I suggest cultivating a severe dog allergy.  Much cheaper, and less hassle even after you factor in not staying with dog-owners and the like.

Also, following on from this, dogs are highly skilled at locating and gnawing through the seatbelt pre-tensioner wiring in Stupid French Cars.

Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #8 on: 15 November, 2010, 11:17:29 pm »
I suggest cultivating a severe dog allergy.  Much cheaper, and less hassle even after you factor in not staying with dog-owners and the like.

Also, following on from this, dogs are highly skilled at locating and gnawing through the seatbelt pre-tensioner wiring in Stupid French Cars.

Haha my last rescue dog ate my seatbelts, while I left him in the car for a minute to pay for my petrol. it cost me £400 to replace them. A few weeks later he ate my roof lining too. His 3rd party insurance didn't cover him for damage he did to my stuff  :(

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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #9 on: 16 November, 2010, 12:56:49 am »
My ex-es old dog ate half a car battery, but was also smart enough to work out how to open the garage door when locked in there!

Cat's can be a bit damaging to your furniture, carpets, plants, and possibly wall, but dogs can beat them hands paws down in the chewing things up game.

Like Feline says, a dog is a very big commitment.

With Talisker it's enough hassle when I need to check him into a cattery even for a weekend away.  When he was younger, I'd occasionally leave him alone with a full bowl of cat food for a night or two, but now he needs his drugs every day, I can't do that, so it's onto the trailer, and around to the local cattery.

A dog would be like that, only much more so.  I like dogs, and I've thought about getting dogs in the past, but nowadays, with an hours commute each way, there's no way I can give a dog the exercise it needed, so it wouldn't be fair.  It's lucky I never decided to get one in the past, when I could possibly have traveled home at lunchtimes to feed, exercise, and as Wowbagger says, empty it.  These days it just wouldn't be possible.
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #10 on: 16 November, 2010, 01:18:48 am »
My ex-es old dog ate half a car battery

 :o

I think that possibly even beats barakta's ex's dog, which was known to eat concrete.

Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #11 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:46:40 am »
Please don't get the idea that all dogs chew anything available. We have two and they have never been like that except perhaps as young puppies.

Strict training can avoid many issues. Our three legged Thai dog takes herself for a walk, not very far, because she worries about being locked out. She charges up and down the pavement a few times obviously enjoying it and then back to the door.

As to clearing up messes we own a Clinic and are used to it as most Owners don't know how to discipline their pets. We also provide a grooming and pet hotel service and for a small payment Pet Owners can be free to do their shopping or take some holidays.











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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #12 on: 16 November, 2010, 08:30:35 am »
We have  had two dogs which had to be put-down in old age due to poor health issues.
It's something I couldn't do the second time(mrs.jogler took him to the vet) after the emotional trauma of the first experience & it's mainly this issue that prevents us having another one.
Neither of them destroyed things in the house with their teeth.
The Collie was a marvellous companion:the poodle more of a lounge lizard.
It's true that some compromises have to be made regarding your own social activities but that's part of the deal.Accept it or don't have a dog.Simple.Same with the cost of feeding & medicating your pet.

Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #13 on: 16 November, 2010, 09:42:48 am »
Thanks all, and Feline - for your comprehensive reply.  

I think the idea of a puppy had already been shelved after the experience of some friends who had a putative guide dog puppy to look after for the requisite time.  The 'cousins' managed to get a 2yr old dog, from a good home, that had already been trained to some extent.  

Anyway, when I say 'pressure' we get pleadings like 'I want a dog more than an ipod touch or 'I want a dog more than moving to the bigger bedroom', PC desktops get changed to dog pics, I get stickys on the desktop relaying dog info, and we get 'I want a dog' as we say goodnight'...'can you think about it', or a dinner last night I was challenged as to what chance in 10 they have of getting a dog...  
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #14 on: 16 November, 2010, 10:00:47 am »
One thing I could suggest Andy is that you borrow a dog for a few days.

Many years ago some friends of ours, with three young boys, were constantly bombarded with "we want a dog". We were about to move house and I suggested to the friends that they might like to look after our Labrador Ben for the few days when we were moving. They thought this was a brilliant idea.

When we went to pick Ben up after the move, the boys were saying "we want a playstation". This was because although they loved playing with Ben, they'd then want to do something else - but he'd still be lively and not give them any peace. As far as I know they never got their own dog as they realised it wasn't like a piece of electronic equipment that you can turn off, it has its own ideas of what it wants to do...
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #15 on: 16 November, 2010, 11:57:18 am »
One thing I could suggest Andy is that you borrow a dog for a few days.

This is a great idea.

We have friends with a golden lab that needs dog sitting from time to time. She's a great dog and unfortunately we are 2nd on the list of available sitters. When it is our turn we walk up to their house and walk the dog back home. It's about 4 miles and she loves the special walk!

So my daughter gets to borrow a dog for a few days.
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #16 on: 16 November, 2010, 12:09:54 pm »
They make your house smell, crap in the garden, chew your furniture and wear naff Shellsuits.

No, wait, I'm thinking of Scousers, dogs are great.

Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #17 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:04:12 pm »
One thing I could suggest Andy is that you borrow a dog for a few days.

preferably one with an unreliable bowel. Nothing like dog poo in your bed to put you off the whole idea. Or one that brings in the rear half of a rabbit - the insides smell and leak out on the floor.
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #18 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:20:51 pm »
Feline, I'm still digesting all the info, but re. a dog at home, while the house is empty...which seems to be the biggest potential obstacle AFAICS.  In Summer, can they be left in the garden if it's secure, but not in winter (unless Husky et al, I suppose)?   What's the most an average dog can be left unattended in the house... i.e. home alone?

Andy



I don't regret getting my dogs (well except for when they eat my favourite gadgets/ cushions from time to time anyway).

However I think getting a dog is a HUGE family decision, and not one to be taken lightly. I work with dogs and their owners as well as live with them at home, so can point out some of the issues you should consider before it's too late  :D

1. Time commitment. Your dog will need walking and letting out for frequent toilet breaks day in day out. Days where everyone in the house are working or out all day are not exceptions to this. Sometimes you will find yourself walking your dog in the freezing rain and dark after work in the winter. If you fancy a day off getting cold and wet your dog might eat your stuff in boredom! Training classes are a very very good idea, more dogs are abandoned or destroyed every year because they have developed behaviour issues than any other reason. When someone takes on a cute puppy and things go badly over the first few months, the chances of that dog finding a good permanent home later are not exactly good.

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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #19 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:23:22 pm »
One thing I could suggest Andy is that you borrow a dog for a few days.

Many years ago some friends of ours, with three young boys, were constantly bombarded with "we want a dog". We were about to move house and I suggested to the friends that they might like to look after our Labrador Ben for the few days when we were moving. They thought this was a brilliant idea.

When we went to pick Ben up after the move, the boys were saying "we want a playstation". This was because although they loved playing with Ben, they'd then want to do something else - but he'd still be lively and not give them any peace. As far as I know they never got their own dog as they realised it wasn't like a piece of electronic equipment that you can turn off, it has its own ideas of what it wants to do...

Thanks.  Some people we know, last year said the minis might like to walk their dog occasionally, but unfortunately nothing came of it.  I suppose I could ask again.

Andy
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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #20 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:25:19 pm »
I would say if you don't have a dog flap, then they need letting out for a toilet visit at least every 5 hours. if you have a dog proof garden like I do then you can fit a dog flap and solve that problem partially. They still get bored if left alone all day though!

You are more than welcome to borrow my 2 vagabonds if you ever want to test drive any mad dogs!

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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #21 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:26:33 pm »
Children do progress through the "I want a dog" phase - although it is residually present but tempered with the acceptance that "Daddy won't let us". Then they move on to the "can you buy me a pony?" phase.

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« Reply #22 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:32:40 pm »
Children do progress through the "I want a dog" phase - although it is residually present but tempered with the acceptance that "Daddy won't let us". Then they move on to the "can you buy me a pony?" phase.

Hmm.  I never went through either of those.  I suppose the trick is to instil an overwhelming phobia of dogs (a traumatic barking-at while they are a toddler should do the trick) and horses (no idea where I got this one from, suspect it was just an advanced form of common sense) in your offspring at an early age.

I spent my childhood wanting a cat.  Make of that what you will.

Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #23 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:40:51 pm »
Andy, in regard to leaving dogs in the garden, I think in our climate unless you permanently house your dog in an outhouse or purpose built shed (as many working dogs are kept) and they grow a thick coat to deal with it, they will get cold and wet in winter and maybe too hot in summer. The biggest problem with dogs shut in the garden all day is they tend to bark and may become a noise nuisance to your neighbours. For some reason many dogs seem to bark far more when left out than they would inside the house. If my guys hear something out the back they will go out through their flap and woof at it, but then come back inside and resume snoring duties.

If you have a nice garden you may also want to consider what your dog might do to it, mine sometimes decide to bury their toys in my lawn. That and the dead patches of grass where their wee has killed it makes my garden look less than perfect most of the time!

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Re: Getting a dog..?
« Reply #24 on: 16 November, 2010, 03:55:25 pm »
My husband and I used to both work full days but still had a dog (and, for two years, two dogs). The dogs weren't left on their own all day until we knew they were fine with it - we used to spend a lot of money having the first dog with a dog-sitter all day whilst we were at work, until the sitter said all the dog did was slept and he might as well stay at home. The second dog, our Weimaraner Lucy, was a second-hand dog whose owner said she could be left all day - which she could. 8am - 6pm each weekday they were left at home (without access to the garden) and all was fine.

However, it's very unusual to get dogs that can adjust to this and not mind. I wouldn't expect most dogs to be OK with that length of time alone. As Lucy isn't used to being left for that long now (we both work from home) if we go out for over six hours we get a neighbour to walk her around lunchtime so she gets a chance to be outside. So although it's possible to leave dogs, we were exceptionally lucky to have dogs that were OK with it. Our new puppy, Poppy, hasn't been left for more than 4 hours so far. She's still in a crate so we're thinking a maximum of 5 hours ever (which will be Christmas Day in fact); once she's out of the crate at about a year old we can maybe leave her longer, but I doubt we'll ever want to leave her all day as we did with Lucy and Ben as she's much more alert than the other dogs.
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