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Title: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 14 January, 2024, 08:11:25 pm
Including those that used to be in Didcot, but more so the few still standing.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/jan/14/britains-45-remaining-cooling-towers-are-architectural-gems-lets-save-them
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Jaded on 14 January, 2024, 10:54:32 pm
I understood one of the problems of retaining them was that they decay and will fall down anyway.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 15 January, 2024, 06:31:49 am
Yup. Carbonation of the thin concrete enveloping the steel reinforcement (efficient design!) means that these structures have a time limit before they collapse.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Hot Flatus on 15 January, 2024, 06:51:10 am
(https://i.ibb.co/ZY7Mn19/shot-Remember-Brazil03-jpg.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 January, 2024, 08:56:17 am
It's amazing how different that film actually is from my memory of it.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 January, 2024, 08:56:56 am
Yup. Carbonation of the thin concrete enveloping the steel reinforcement (efficient design!) means that these structures have a time limit before they collapse.
So how near are they to that time limit and is there any way of prolonging their life?
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 15 January, 2024, 10:00:42 am
They would be pretty close to time-expired now. There are anti-carbonation coatings and realkalisation of concrete but both cost money and access to all surfaces is not easy, due to the shape. Coatings slow down deterioration and realkalisation ‘reverses’ carbonation but neither is very effective if carbonation has already reached the reinforcement and corrosion has started.

Carbonation rate varies depending on concrete quality and environmental exposure but around 1mm/ year is not unusual. Cooling towers are about 180mm thick with 50mm cover to reinforcement.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Tim Hall on 15 January, 2024, 11:06:23 am
Disappointed to learn that this thread isn't about Jools Holland's big house/castle in the village of Cooling.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 January, 2024, 12:11:16 pm
Disappointed to learn that this thread isn't about Jools Holland's big house/castle in the village of Cooling.
Cooling for Cats?
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Steph on 16 January, 2024, 09:39:00 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/ZY7Mn19/shot-Remember-Brazil03-jpg.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

My immediate first thought too. If I have it right, that was Acton, where 'Aliens' was also filmed.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: MattH on 20 January, 2024, 12:03:23 am
In entertainment there was also the tower used to hide the entrance to the underground base in "The Last Train" (which can be found on youtube - the relevant episode is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwVp9cbPB08), which was apparently Thorpe Marsh (https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/164771-thorpe-marsh-power-station/).

As an aside, if you remember that series, the underground base (the ARK) used to cryogenically allow a cadre to sleep through the disaster was actually deep underground in a salt mine in Winsford rather than underneath the cooling tower. D2D (part of ICL) used to have an EMC test facility there in a large inflatable tent, which I had the "pleasure" of working in for a couple of weeks trying to get a mass spectrometer to pass the then-new CE marking EMC tests. Excellent for having low background RF, and a fantastic find for the TV production company as a ready-made underground lair that was quite photogenic.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 20 January, 2024, 11:25:52 am
an EMC test facility
Electromagnetic compatibility?
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: MattH on 20 January, 2024, 07:16:56 pm
Yes. Making sure that equipment under test doesn't radiate too much unintended RF so it doesn't interfere with other pieces of kit. And, conversely, making sure that its normal operation isn't too susceptible to interference from RF fields from other sources. To do both, you need to know the RF environment you are in - so, for example, if you are looking for emissions you need to discount signals from broadcast radio, the local taxi firm etc. if you are on the surface (screened rooms aren't perfect). Go underground, there's nothing except the equipment you took and the equipment to make the test facility work.
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 January, 2024, 09:29:25 pm
The cooling towers in data centres are much less interesting, being normally fan-assisted square metal boxes.  There is a pervasive smell of bromine (needed to stop legionella growing).  Power stations presumably heat the cooling water* enough at some point in the cycle to kill bacteria.

*this water hasn't been through the turbines, which need very pure water; it's just used in the condensers
Title: Re: In praise of cooling towers
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 January, 2024, 09:51:42 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/ZY7Mn19/shot-Remember-Brazil03-jpg.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

My immediate first thought too. If I have it right, that was Acton, where 'Aliens' was also filmed.

Croydon power station. Aliens was Acton.