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Title: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: mattc on 19 September, 2018, 10:50:04 pm
So ... it's a bit bonkers, nd I'm not sure it's quite decided what genre/tone they're aiming for ...

But I like it!. We'll certainly give Ep2  a whirl.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 19 September, 2018, 11:10:33 pm
The assassin's a bit too "perfect" for our liking but reasonable enough to watch again.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 September, 2018, 11:19:52 pm
It has elements of Leon by Luc Besson.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: mattc on 20 September, 2018, 12:20:33 pm
It has elements of Leon
The pig farming movie?
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 September, 2018, 10:11:28 pm
It has elements of Leon
The pig farming movie?

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcsirofJrlM

and of course Besson's 'Nikita'.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: citoyen on 21 September, 2018, 10:48:31 am
It has elements of Leon
The pig farming movie?

"Pig farming" would be an interesting euphemism for what Jean Reno does for a living in that film.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Torslanda on 22 September, 2018, 01:35:28 pm
As indeed is "Cleaner"...
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: citoyen on 22 September, 2018, 02:44:48 pm
As indeed is "Cleaner"...

True!
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: jiberjaber on 23 September, 2018, 04:20:14 pm
We ploughed through the first 3 eps last night on iplayer - quite like it.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Kim on 23 September, 2018, 05:48:13 pm
I saw half an episode without sound via a fellow train passenger's laptop on Friday.  It seemed much better than The Cremaster Cycle, which I would have remained blissfully ignorant of if not for similar circumstances[1].


[1] I blame the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia, for giving arts student types the battery life to watch such things in the presence of innocent members of the public.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 September, 2018, 10:13:50 pm
Like it
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Milo lance on 24 September, 2018, 07:52:39 am
I liked it, but dropped it pretty quickly. Didn't put the hook in me.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Tim Hall on 04 October, 2018, 09:18:23 pm
It's taken me until Episode 7 to work out that Fiona Shaw, who plays Carolyn, also played Zelda in Our Brave Boys, the funniest sitcom about MOD procurement ever to grace Radio 4.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 04 October, 2018, 09:23:45 pm
Love it.


Villanelle carries the entire show with her judicious use of her eyebrows.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Legs on 05 October, 2018, 08:44:21 am
Yep, we're up to Ep. 3 and loving it.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: LongDistanceClara on 07 October, 2018, 08:56:20 pm
I ate all the episodes in a week and now I am bereft. It’s like when Saga left the force at the end of The Bridge, but worse. What am I supposed to use my TV for now?
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 07 October, 2018, 09:06:37 pm
New series next spring I'm told
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Cunobelin on 08 October, 2018, 06:25:44 am
Love it.


Villanelle carries the entire show with her judicious use of her eyebrows.

Villanelle is based on Roger Moore?

Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Cunobelin on 08 October, 2018, 06:29:31 am
Villanelle as character is unusual, because you absolutely know that you should detest the character completely, but somehow there is something that despite your best intentions you actually find yourself liking the character

I also love the way the two leads interact, brilliant casting
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 08 October, 2018, 09:03:23 am
Villanelle as character is unusual, because you absolutely know that you should detest the character completely, but somehow there is something that despite your best intentions you actually find yourself liking the character

I also love the way the two leads interact, brilliant casting

I think the
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Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 October, 2018, 09:23:36 am
Villanelle as character is unusual, because you absolutely know that you should detest the character completely, but somehow there is something that despite your best intentions you actually find yourself liking the character

I also love the way the two leads interact, brilliant casting

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Spot on, Ben.
It brings out the utterly amoral, sociopathic aspect that makes her so frightening and not just some cartoon-like character.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Legs on 08 October, 2018, 10:54:25 am
Great TV, the best I've seen for some time.

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Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 04 November, 2018, 08:16:10 pm
   ??? ??? ??? :demon: :demon: :demon: ??? ??? ??? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: ::-) ::-) ::-) :demon: :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 05 November, 2018, 05:41:36 am
I liked it, but oh dear how are they going to keep that level of tension for a 2nd series?
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 09:16:57 am
I liked it, but oh dear how are they going to keep that level of tension for a 2nd series?
Well they're not, are they. The ending was deliberately unexplanatory purely in an attempt to lure you into watching the 2nd series. Sorry but programs like that really piss me off. The ending was frankly shit.
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Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 10:12:10 am
You've completely misunderstood the entire premise of the story, Ben.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 10:14:55 am
You've completely misunderstood the entire premise of the story, Ben.
Which is?
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 10:30:48 am
...that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 11:41:02 am
...that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory

Well obviously - I got that. But that's just a simple idea, surely?! That to me should just be one theme, of many, running through the plot - it shouldn't form the entire basis of the plot. There's got to be (melo)drama around that - a story with motivations and outcomes, and a beginning, middle and an end.
To me, it's weak for that to form the entire basis of the ending, as it detracts from Eve's character - it's unrealistic, because no matter how confused she was about her feelings for her, she wouldn't do that.
I don't think I failed to appreciate that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory - but maybe I failed to understand that that was all it was about. And was massively disappointed when that was the case.

No, it's just too convenient - the purpose of the ending was a hook, nothing more. We don't know what happened to Eve as a result and I'm not sure we even know whether Villanelle died or not. Oh, what a shame, we'll just have to watch the second series to find out.  ::-) ::-)
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 12:19:01 pm
So you wanted a simple clichéd story about good against evil? There are plenty of those from which to choose.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 12:34:23 pm
I want the ending to be at least slightly realistic, and to at least round the story off - is it not possible to do both those things without it being clichéd?
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Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: mattc on 05 November, 2018, 12:43:12 pm
It was a pretty decent final episode overall. (best to rank it against every cliff-hanger final episode ever made for telly - they're a pretty rum bunch!)

But that final moment was just too ridiculous.

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Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 01:48:37 pm
exactly
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 03:09:28 pm
It's fucking telly for Christ's sake. You know, 'suspension of disbelief' and all that.

I thought the final scenes were amazing. We didn't know what Eve or Villanelle would do. Would Villanelle kill Eve? Would Eve kill Villanelle? Would there be hot lezzy action??

There were all sorts of things tied up in that stabbing, one of which was Eve betraying both Villanelle and her own feelings. Of course Villanelle was not going to die, or be arrested. She escaped, and the fact of Eve attempting to kill her then save her opens up a whole dynamic for how Villanelle will respond in Series 2.

I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 03:36:53 pm
It's fucking telly for Christ's sake. You know, 'suspension of disbelief' and all that.

I thought the final scenes were amazing. We didn't know what Eve or Villanelle would do. Would Villanelle kill Eve? Would Eve kill Villanelle? Would there be hot lezzy action??

There were all sorts of things tied up in that stabbing, one of which was Eve betraying both Villanelle and her own feelings. Of course Villanelle was not going to die, or be arrested. She escaped, and the fact of Eve attempting to kill her then save her opens up a whole dynamic for how Villanelle will respond in Series 2.

I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah but she didn't try to kill her - that's my point - or didn't try very hard. If that was meant to be an attempt to kill her, it was a pretty shite attempt, especially given that she's a spy and should be fairly familiar with weapons and killing techniques, etc.

If she'd punched her, chances are she'd survive. If she'd shot her in the head, chances are she'd be killed. But stabbing her is pretty much the most uncertain in terms of whether she will survive or not. As a spy she would know that - so what was her motivation? If she wanted her to stay alive, stabbing her is not the best way of serving that purpose - but equally, if she'd actually wanted to kill her, stabbing her isn't the best way of serving that purpose either. The only purpose stabbing her serves is to create unnatural uncertainty purely to create an artificial cliffhanger.
It would have been far better if she'd arrested her, then fell in love with her, then "accidentally on purpose" slipped up and "let" her out.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 03:47:42 pm
Stabbing is a very effective way of killing people.

Why do you assume that an MI5 agent would have any combat skills or knowledge. Many of them are essentially bureaucrats. James Bond is not reality, you know.
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Ben T on 05 November, 2018, 03:57:16 pm
Stabbing is a very effective way of killing people.

NOt if there's a gun available - which there was...
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 05 November, 2018, 05:06:59 pm
Am I being bonjed?
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Torslanda on 05 November, 2018, 06:12:58 pm
I'd answer that if I had any idea what it meant...
Title: Re: Killing Eve (normal TV series)
Post by: Jakob W on 07 November, 2018, 12:47:49 pm
I enjoyed the series, but Eve's personal attraction to Villanelle broke my suspension of disbelief - I thought Eve's intellectual interest in Villanelle-as-killer made sense, but didn't think Jodie Comer's performance was magnetic enough to explain multiple characters' quasi-romantic/erotic obsession with her, especially as they'd also seen her murderous psychopathy in action. Still, all very stylish and blackly funny, and I'll be tuning in for season 2.