Killing Eve (normal TV series)

[Hot Flatus]

You've completely misunderstood the entire premise of the story, Ben.

[Ben T]

You've completely misunderstood the entire premise of the story, Ben.

Which is?

[Hot Flatus]

...that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory

[Ben T]

...that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory

Well obviously - I got that. But that's just a simple idea, surely?! That to me should just be one theme, of many, running through the plot - it shouldn't form the entire basis of the plot. There's got to be (melo)drama around that - a story with motivations and outcomes, and a beginning, middle and an end.
To me, it's weak for that to form the entire basis of the ending, as it detracts from Eve's character - it's unrealistic, because no matter how confused she was about her feelings for her, she wouldn't do that.
I don't think I failed to appreciate that Eve's feelings towards Villanelle are contradictory - but maybe I failed to understand that that was all it was about. And was massively disappointed when that was the case.

No, it's just too convenient - the purpose of the ending was a hook, nothing more. We don't know what happened to Eve as a result and I'm not sure we even know whether Villanelle died or not. Oh, what a shame, we'll just have to watch the second series to find out. 

[Hot Flatus]

So you wanted a simple clichéd story about good against evil? There are plenty of those from which to choose.

[Ben T]

I want the ending to be at least slightly realistic, and to at least round the story off - is it not possible to do both those things without it being clichéd?

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I just can't see it as even vaguely realistic that a professional MI6 agent would start to sleep with a subject, then stab her, but then regret it.
So far, it had been believable.
It would have been far better if, even to satisfy the goal of ramming home the point about her being confused - she'd captured her but then either let her go, either 'cos she sympathizes with her/loves her, or because she's got something over her.
It was too quick, as well. If the idea of her having contradictory feelings was the main point of the program, then the goings on that were driven by that should have occurred for a lot longer.

[mattc]

It was a pretty decent final episode overall. (best to rank it against every cliff-hanger final episode ever made for telly - they're a pretty rum bunch!)

But that final moment was just too ridiculous.

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As soon as Eve let her out of her sight, I thought:
"Shit, despite a massive stab wound, they're going to let her leg it out of the flat, fast enough to leave Eve floundering, strainght into thin air. Please. No.

Oh bolox ..."   

I get the idea of her love/hate/revenge/fascination feelings - that at least made sense. 

[Ben T]

exactly

[Hot Flatus]

It's fucking telly for Christ's sake. You know, 'suspension of disbelief' and all that.

I thought the final scenes were amazing. We didn't know what Eve or Villanelle would do. Would Villanelle kill Eve? Would Eve kill Villanelle? Would there be hot lezzy action??

There were all sorts of things tied up in that stabbing, one of which was Eve betraying both Villanelle and her own feelings. Of course Villanelle was not going to die, or be arrested. She escaped, and the fact of Eve attempting to kill her then save her opens up a whole dynamic for how Villanelle will respond in Series 2.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Ben T]

It's fucking telly for Christ's sake. You know, 'suspension of disbelief' and all that.

I thought the final scenes were amazing. We didn't know what Eve or Villanelle would do. Would Villanelle kill Eve? Would Eve kill Villanelle? Would there be hot lezzy action??

There were all sorts of things tied up in that stabbing, one of which was Eve betraying both Villanelle and her own feelings. Of course Villanelle was not going to die, or be arrested. She escaped, and the fact of Eve attempting to kill her then save her opens up a whole dynamic for how Villanelle will respond in Series 2.

I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah but she didn't try to kill her - that's my point - or didn't try very hard. If that was meant to be an attempt to kill her, it was a pretty shite attempt, especially given that she's a spy and should be fairly familiar with weapons and killing techniques, etc.

If she'd punched her, chances are she'd survive. If she'd shot her in the head, chances are she'd be killed. But stabbing her is pretty much the most uncertain in terms of whether she will survive or not. As a spy she would know that - so what was her motivation? If she wanted her to stay alive, stabbing her is not the best way of serving that purpose - but equally, if she'd actually wanted to kill her, stabbing her isn't the best way of serving that purpose either. The only purpose stabbing her serves is to create unnatural uncertainty purely to create an artificial cliffhanger.
It would have been far better if she'd arrested her, then fell in love with her, then "accidentally on purpose" slipped up and "let" her out.

[Hot Flatus]

Stabbing is a very effective way of killing people.

Why do you assume that an MI5 agent would have any combat skills or knowledge. Many of them are essentially bureaucrats. James Bond is not reality, you know.

[Ben T]

Stabbing is a very effective way of killing people.

NOt if there's a gun available - which there was...

[Hot Flatus]

Am I being bonjed?

[Torslanda]

I'd answer that if I had any idea what it meant...

[Jakob W]

I enjoyed the series, but Eve's personal attraction to Villanelle broke my suspension of disbelief - I thought Eve's intellectual interest in Villanelle-as-killer made sense, but didn't think Jodie Comer's performance was magnetic enough to explain multiple characters' quasi-romantic/erotic obsession with her, especially as they'd also seen her murderous psychopathy in action. Still, all very stylish and blackly funny, and I'll be tuning in for season 2.