Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => OT Knowledge => Topic started by: TPMB12 on 04 December, 2017, 09:23:32 pm
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I'm curious about how much ppl spend on cycling kit. It seems from several cycling forums that ppl have money and a lot of it to spend on kit. I don't. That makes me hold off on buying kit because I think it's just too expensive.
We're talking about the amount of money you need to spend on kit to leave you worrying if you've spent too much. For me I hesitate in 3 digits my bike is less than 4 digits and whilst I needed it I doubted whether it was too much. I mean I could get a serviceable bike for £300 so why spend £650?
Clothing I buy Aldi or Aldi sort of price. Lights £40 for main light and I think it's too much.
I don't earn a lot which explains my views but even if I earnt ten times as much I'd still not spend £6500 on a bike, indeed I'd possibly bail at £2000. I think it's within me not to feel comfortable spending a lot even if I could afford it.
So do you have a limit? Even if you had the disposable to spend anything on bikes would you still have a limit?
I am just curious about the spending mindset of fellow cyclists.
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I don't have a limit as such but I rarely buy kit. I would baulk at more than £50 for a cycling jersey or shorts, £100 for shoes. But, and it is a big but, I tend to buy stuff which has some sort of quality and durability. My summer cycling shoes are expiring after 12 years and I've been using the same four YACF jerseys for a number of years now. I have an Aldi winter jacket which is now in season three and my winter leggings are over a decade old. Look after it and stuff will give great service and prove to be value for money.
I'm not a fashion victim so I don't need nor want the latest overpriced and overhyped stuff.
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I spend whatever 'it' requires but quite often 'it' doesn't require very much money to work well. I've been through the Assos knicks things (overpriced with dodgy stitching) and prefer stuff that performs well at an acceptable price. I'll pay lots for S&S couplers just for the functionality but prefer to spend money travelling to ride new roads rather than ride a new expensive bike round the same old roads.
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I'll buy expensive kit where it's in some important-to-me way superior than the cheaper stuff. Like Polar Bear, I'm happy to pay more for something that will last - barring disasters, that generally works out cheaper overall.
Other than durability and reliability, what tends to matter to me is comfort related. Clothing that fits properly is worth a lot more to me than the ubiquitous stuff that doesn't. Recumbent cycles are expensive, but I can ride them more without injury. I have posh winter gloves that are better for keeping warm on long rides, but I'll use Aldi gloves around town because they're perfectly adequate for an hour or so, saving wear on the good ones. That sort of thing. I've no interest in bling.
I fully admit to having a dynamo lighting addiction. While it's easy to make up some plausible justification based on reliability, what it really comes down to is that I've wasted too much of my life arsing about with batteries already and I can't be bothered.
Most cycling stuff is cheap when you compare it to:
a) running a car
b) public transport
c) the injury and crash damage it might help you avoid
d) the health impact of cycling less
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i'm of the opinion that there is a sweet spot regarding the price vs performance or quality, after which you only get a tiny amount of benefit for a lot of extra cost.
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I don't want to know how much I spend on cycling stuff. It's probably quite a sizeable portion of my (not very substantial) income...however, I don't drive, don't have kids to feed, and don't spend much on other stuff really. It's mainly cake and cycling. I'll pay extra for things that are purple, too. :facepalm:
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For long distance cycling there is no kit, in terms of cycling shorts/bibs that is too expensive if it means a comfortable ride!
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i'm of the opinion that there is a sweet spot regarding the price vs performance or quality, after which you only get a tiny amount of benefit for a lot of extra cost.
I think this applies to most things. The trick is working out where it lies.
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I don't really have a limit- if I can afford it and think the quality / design make it worth it (to me) then I will buy it.
I wish I could get back some of the cash I wasted buying cheap brands of gloves and shorts before I found a decent brand though. Funnily enough it's only really the bargain purchases I ever seem to regret. In terms of cost per wear, the cycling clothing is better value that if I spent lots of money on normal clothing (which I really don't). Each to their own.
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i'm of the opinion that there is a sweet spot regarding the price vs performance or quality, after which you only get a tiny amount of benefit for a lot of extra cost.
I think this applies to most things. The trick is working out where it lies.
also depends how important something is in your life. i'm quite particular and picky about the cycling gear and kit, but if i went and joined someone to play, say, golf i wouldn't be bothered about the kit as i have no real interest in this sport.
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In terms of cost per wear, the cycling clothing is better value that if I spent lots of money on normal clothing (which I really don't). Each to their own.
I long ago realised that I destroyed a lot less trousers by wearing cycling-specific clothing when using a saddle. I also find my shoes last longer these days as I tend to cycle rather than walk medium distances.
I think it's quite easy for cycling-for-transport stuff to be cost-neutral. It's when you're doing it for other reasons that it gets expensive.
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i'm of the opinion that there is a sweet spot regarding the price vs performance or quality, after which you only get a tiny amount of benefit for a lot of extra cost.
I think this applies to most things. The trick is working out where it lies.
also depends how important something is in your life. i'm quite particular and picky about the cycling gear and kit, but if i went and joined someone to play, say, golf i wouldn't be bothered about the kit as i have no real interest in this sport.
Agreed. The sweet spot will vary depending on all sorts of factors.
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I don't want to know how much I spend on cycling stuff. It's probably quite a sizeable portion of my (not very substantial) income...however, I don't drive, don't have kids to feed, and don't spend much on other stuff really. It's mainly cake and cycling. I'll pay extra for things that are purple, too. :facepalm:
This, this and all this thrice, except for the purple bit, as for a start I wouldn't know whether it was purple or blue.
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I don't want to know how much I spend on cycling stuff. It's probably quite a sizeable portion of my (not very substantial) income...however, I don't drive, don't have kids to feed, and don't spend much on other stuff really. It's mainly cake and cycling. I'll pay extra for things that are purple, too. :facepalm:
This, this and all this thrice, except for the purple bit, as for a start I wouldn't know whether it was purple or blue.
Top tip: If it's on phanta's bike, it's probably not blue.
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I'm curious about how much ppl spend on cycling kit. It seems from several cycling forums that ppl have money and a lot of it to spend on kit. I don't. That makes me hold off on buying kit because I think it's just too expensive.
We're talking about the amount of money you need to spend on kit to leave you worrying if you've spent too much. For me I hesitate in 3 digits my bike is less than 4 digits and whilst I needed it I doubted whether it was too much. I mean I could get a serviceable bike for £300 so why spend £650?
Clothing I buy Aldi or Aldi sort of price. Lights £40 for main light and I think it's too much.
I don't earn a lot which explains my views but even if I earnt ten times as much I'd still not spend £6500 on a bike, indeed I'd possibly bail at £2000. I think it's within me not to feel comfortable spending a lot even if I could afford it.
So do you have a limit? Even if you had the disposable to spend anything on bikes would you still have a limit?
I am just curious about the spending mindset of fellow cyclists.
I've got a 2013 trek domane with Di2 but not discs, and I've wondered what I would get if I ever had to get a new bike...the latest version of the domane with Di2, and discs (and mudguards) was about £6500 last time I checked, but I wouldn't get it whilst my current one is perfectly good just to upgrade to discs.
I would probably spend that if there wasn't a cheaper one with Di2, discs and mudguards.
A few months ago I did want a utility bike and bought the bargain basement shitter from halfords for £175 but paid extra to upgrade it to Marathon Plus tyres, and it's actually really good (so far).
My atttitude is I buy the cheapest thing that fits my requirements, but my requirements may sometimes be fairly exacting. This is more for audax/general riding than for utility, for example, light: has to be bright, and be dynamo - £100. For utility, just has to work, and be Li-ion chargeable - £15 for a set, front and rear.
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I try to spend wisely to get what I need. One bike for all my riding and I kit it out to be able to do it all. The only things I change are tyres to try and suit the days ride.
My query on here was really to see if I'm alone in buying something then afterwards finding the gloss of new kit has gone because you worry that you shouldn't have spent the extra to get that slightly better kit than the cheaper kit that is more than suitable for your needs.
Kind of buying a tool that does the job and looks good over the cheaper tool that does the job without needing to look good because that's superfluous to function.
I bought a £650 bike but I could easily have bought a £450 bike and not known about the difference. TBH that bike hasn't given me any better function than the cheaper bike but it had better groupset so I got sucked in.
This feeling of wasting money does go away but it spoils kit purchases for me.
I bet I'm alone in this feeling of wasting money.
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I bet I'm alone in this feeling of wasting money.
Nope. I hate wasting money on something that simply doesn't do the job or is nowhere near as good as it's manufacturers and purveyors purported it to be.
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I spent a lot on a Rapha Pro Team Training jacket and found it to be good (but let’s see how long it lasts).
For bib shorts/tights I haven’t yet risked paying more than Decathlon’s high-end stuff (the ones with the blue chamois/padding). Those are the cheapest ones that fit properly and have been comfortable on long rides. I’m curious if paying more improves anything, as it did below this price (about €70), but even this price feels like a rip-off because:
The problem with cycling kit is that it all looks and feels so cheap, with artificial materials, garish colours, and prominent logos. The items must cost a pittance to manufacture. So it’s easy to feel like you’re being ripped off, which indeed you probably are if you think things should be priced at a small margin over their cost.
Bicycles are different because they can last indefinitely. You can get a truly excellent one for about a grand, beyond which price the improvements are largely illusory. A thousand currency units is not a lot of money spread over a long period of use.
I never regret spending money on durable things that I use. It is the things that don’t last, no matter how cheap, and the things I don’t use because they’re no good in some way that cause regret.
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I never regret spending money on durable things that I use. It is the things that don’t last, no matter how cheap, and the things I don’t use because they’re no good in some way that cause regret.
There's a marketing slogan for $omething (can't remember what) along the lines of 'quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten,' and I tend to agree - good stuff that gets used is worth it, almost irrespective of price, as long as you can afford it in the first place.
Mind you, I've got form for buying and using good secondhand kit, which allows me a level of quality and function I might not otherwise afford.
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In recent years I have been very mean and bought as little as possible due to other expenses.
I've just broken out and spent £95 on Italian cycling shoes :o. I having been using Lidl's for quite a while - they never seem to wear out but are a bit noisy and heavy.
I have jerseys from way back, some beautifully faded by the sun of faraway lands!
Like Lidl shoes, some of the cheap shorts I've bought in France are much better value than products I have bought in the UK.
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....I bought a £650 bike but I could easily have bought a £450 bike and not known about the difference. TBH that bike hasn't given me any better function than the cheaper bike but it had better groupset so I got sucked in.
This feeling of wasting money does go away but it spoils kit purchases for me.
I bet I'm alone in this feeling of wasting money.
time was when buying a 'better groupset' would buy better function (for longer) and better durability. Cheap hubs were not sealed properly, cheap rear mechs etc just wore out faster than better ones, even if they worked OK when they were new. These days it isn't quite as clear-cut; get a 'better groupset' and you will get more sprockets at the back, and the lifetime of many of the parts might be the same (or less) than with a cheaper groupset, which tolerates additional wear in various parts (the rear mech, say) before the shifting goes bad.
There is also the matter of consumables cost; keeping a 3x8 system in chains and sprockets is going to cost you a tiny fraction vs similar parts for a 2x11 system.
So the thinking man's 'good value choice' is maybe slightly different to almost any standard specification that might be used on a complete bike. Bung an (obsolete, how much longer will we be able to buy them I wonder...) XT 9s mech into an 8 or 9s setup and (given occasional tlc) it will last for a very long time, where by contrast the pulleys and pivots in a cheaper mech will go baggy several times over in the same mileage.
cheers
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I bet I'm alone in this feeling of wasting money.
Nope. I hate wasting money on something that simply doesn't do the job or is nowhere near as good as it's manufacturers and purveyors purported it to be.
What I'm taking about is the feeling of wasting money to get the kit one step up from what does the job well and lasts. Say a voodoo marassa does the job but say I get something £300 more. Both bikes work well but the feeling is I've not got £300 value out of the better bike so I've wasted money. I've not wasted money and a few months down the line the quality calms the doubts.
It's true that quality is remembered long after the price. Well, not quite but the price loses importance a few months into a happy ownership.
I guess I'm just plain tighter than a duck's...
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All my kit that gets used has been good value, regardless of what it cost. The stuff I consider a waste of money is what's been bought and not used, though the longer I've cycled the better I've become at getting that right. I probably spend less on top brand clothing than some I know do in Aldi. I like to start with working out what I want/need then how to pay for it, rather than have the budget come first and start compromising. I like a bargain as much as anyone, but my well planned buys have all proved to be better value.
I'm coming up to the 20th anniversary of deciding i didn't need a car :thumbsup: Anytime I hesitate over the price of something I'd like, I remind myself of how much that decision has saved me.
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I reckon it's brake blocks and tyres.
£10-25 for 4 bits of moulded rubber?! A lot of the tyre companies have moved production to lower cost countries and they still go way up in price.
Both wear out relatively quickly, and tyres can be damaged beyond repair in normal use. Brake blocks are worn out when only half of it is worn away!
At least with expensive components, they will last a long time, the rear mech on my bike is nearly 40 years old and it's still working.
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I reckon it's brakes blocks and tyres.
£10-25 for 4 bits of moulded rubber?! A lot of the tyre companies have moved production to lower cost countries and they still go way up in price.
Both wear out relatively quickly, and tyres can be damaged beyond repair in normal use. Brake blocks are worn out when only half of it is worn away!
At least with expensive components, they will last a long time, the rear mech on my bike is nearly 40 years old and it's still working.
A little story
A few years ago I was commuting from Vorsprung towers to Taunton. 30 mile round trip over the Blackdowns. Fabulous
One day I noticed some tyres, racing tyres, on Ribble for a cheap price in a colour that matched my bike. I invested £32 (this was a few years ago) and my bike looked bling. And the tyres were *fast*
After only a few days, one of the tyres hit a large sharp and I am sad to say that was the end of the tyre. It was a big rip. Anyway, the cost of the park and ride + the cost of petrol was about £8 a day if I didn't bike. So the £16 on the tyre was actually cheaper than driving even over that far too small time frame
Maybe many bike parts are overpriced but the question is overpriced compared with what...?
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We value speed and bling above all else. Reliability and longevity is so boring dahhhling.
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A bit OT, but bear with me.
I play the alto sax, and my music teacher advises that I need a different neck strap (because I have a cervical spinal cord injury) - specifically the alternative strap is like the rear half of a pair of braces (so they clip to the top of your trousers at the back) and go over your shoulders to a hook, which clips to the sax. So, no weight on the neck.
Half a pair of braces and a plastic hook. Nothing more.
£70!!!! And one company sells one at £170!! For half a pair of braces and a plastic hook..... They are taking the p*ss.
I reckon my DHB bib longs are good value at £70......
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I'll pay for mid-range Assos shorts but not top-of-range or Rapha. As far as the rest of the kit goes, if it's functional I don't much care. Apart from jerseys - mine are all from events or organizations I'm a member of.
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Free company car park. Cycling's break even for me with the car when you factor in how we use it for other things than commuting. Weekend car hire, bike maintenance at the lbs (you'd not trust our skills with a spanner neither), etc.
Before you question car hire, we're an active family and at least once a week spend it in the lakes near us. That is impossible to by bike with a 5 year old or public transport. We aren't ready to give up the activities we do just yet so the car is only option.
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I don't mind paying more something decent that will last and isn't made by slaves. Or an Apple computer.
Like everything, I think for a lot men, buying blinding bikes, the equipment, and kit is the usual oneupmanship. They don't go any faster, I'm sure. I've actually seen some of them go backwards up Anerley Hill.
But equally, if it makes them happy. Judgement will come in the next life (when they have to ride a constantly falling apart Apollo MTB up a never ending-mountain side).
Like with most things, beyond a certain price, you're either paying for the brand or design, or the law of diminishing returns.
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But equally, if it makes them happy. Judgement will come in the next life (when they have to ride a constantly falling apart Apollo MTB up a never ending-mountain side).
You've been reading too much Philip K Dick. Mercer is riding up the hill with you, right?
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Before you question car hire, we're an active family and at least once a week spend it in the lakes near us. That is impossible to by bike with a 5 year old or public transport. We aren't ready to give up the activities we do just yet so the car is only option.
I've often contemplated the probability that even regular car hire would still work out cheaper than car ownership.
To answer the original question, I try to only buy stuff I need so price isn't really a factor - things cost what they cost, and if I need it, I need it. If money's tight and the need isn't urgent, I'll postpone the purchase. I currently need a new 11-speed cassette. The existing cassette is Ultegra but there's no way I'm forking out £65 for a replacement when I can get a perfectly good 105 cassette for under £30. A Sora 8-speed cassette would be even cheaper but obviously that's not much use to me. Maybe I should sell the bike and swap it for something with cheaper components? Nah, don't think so. I'm still reluctant to even spend the £30 for 105, so for the time being, I'm just wringing as much life as possible out of the existing cassette.
Haven't bought any new clothing for a while apart from the club's special anniversary jersey. When I do buy kit, I tend to go mid-range (Castelli, Vermarc, Sportful) and often scour sites like PBK for bargains - you can get some great deals as long as you don't mind wearing pro team colours. I've got various bits of Rapha kit, which are excellent (especially the Brevet shorts), but some of my favourite stuff in my wardrobe is from the likes of Altura and not expensive at all.
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I'm curious about how much ppl spend on cycling kit. It seems from several cycling forums that ppl have money and a lot of it to spend on kit. I don't. That makes me hold off on buying kit because I think it's just too expensive.
We're talking about the amount of money you need to spend on kit to leave you worrying if you've spent too much. For me I hesitate in 3 digits my bike is less than 4 digits and whilst I needed it I doubted whether it was too much. I mean I could get a serviceable bike for £300 so why spend £650?
Clothing I buy Aldi or Aldi sort of price. Lights £40 for main light and I think it's too much.
I don't earn a lot which explains my views but even if I earnt ten times as much I'd still not spend £6500 on a bike, indeed I'd possibly bail at £2000. I think it's within me not to feel comfortable spending a lot even if I could afford it.
So do you have a limit? Even if you had the disposable to spend anything on bikes would you still have a limit?
I am just curious about the spending mindset of fellow cyclists.
I'm young(ish), single, and have no dependents, so everything I'm not spending on food, shelter, and internet is basically available for me to spend on bike stuff. Since I started my new job a few months back I've spent far too much on bike parts. It's a running joke at work now when a package arrives (daily), what bike part is it this time? don't you have enough parts to build a second bike? etc... But after years of earning next to nothing, having a salary controlled diet, I'm happy spending money on quality stuff. I am a major fan of the Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice (https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice). And am happy to spend money if it's something that will last. In building my bike I spent over half the cost of the bike parts just on tools, as I will use them again, and most of them last a life time[1].
But with all this said. The idea of spending 2k on a bike? Maybe for a custom made one of a kind bike. But for some factory carbon... nah. Would I spend 500 on some wheels? Probably not.
But then I don't race, so I'm not looking at the €200 marginal gains from the latest carbon widget...
I spent €27 on a rear bike light. My colleagues think I'm nuts. It's perhaps the upper limit of what I'd spend tho.
Ultimately for many bike related things you get what you paid for, but only upto a point, where you start to get diminishing returns.
Perhaps if I was racing and that €200 euro widget could be the difference between being on the podium or not, maybe I'd have a different view. But for the riding I do, it's about having something that works, will work for a long time, and is a joy to ride.
Now back to looking at merino cycling jerseys...
J
[1]Tho I'm slightly miffed I spent €49 on a crown race setting tool, only to discover on build day it was the wrong size and I had to bodge things with some pvc pipe...
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I think it's quite easy for cycling-for-transport stuff to be cost-neutral. It's when you're doing it for other reasons that it gets expensive.
This is something I've struggled to explain to Dutch colleagues. Why did I spend €1200 plus all the tools to build a bike to ride to work that I'm too scared to lock up anywhere. Something with derailleur gears, without a chain guard, and currently without even mud guards. Why didn't I spend 100 euro on a second hand bike? And they are right, it would pay for itself in just over a month in saved metro fees, I wouldn't have to worry about where I lock it up. But ultimately, I rode 18k to work today, rather than the usual 7.5k, because it was a joy to ride, and it's good exercise, and it saves me the gym membership... in terms of savings over public transport, it's going to be about a 15 month pay back (€84 a month to take the tram to work), but the bike gives me so so much more than this.
J
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I do know that when I've spent money on a new piece of kit I do feel the need to go for a ride when I might not otherwise have done just because I feel I ought to use it.
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Cycling accessories, like most hobbies' accessories, are subject to the law of diminishing returns.
There's a huge difference between a £200 bike and a £900 bike and yet only marginal difference between a £3200 bike and a £3900 bike.
The trick is to find the "sweet-spot" where you get the most bang-for-the-buck within your budget.
Then you need to consider the difference between "expensive" and "over-priced".
For example: I consider my Rapha gear expensive whilst some people (mostly those who never actually owned any) consider it over-priced. I don't mind paying a lot for high-quality stuff and Rapha is high-quality and extremely well thought-out. I never sent any back (which is the test of Over-Priced).
For example: I've paid £9.99 for some Aldi cycling jerseys and wore them only once. Even at £9.99 I considered them cheap BUT over-priced (Their stuff is much better now).
The most I've paid for a bike is £2600 (on a £3300 RRP bike). It's a creamy-smooth Luxo-Missile. Bloody gorgeous, comfy and fast. It combines those 3 elements like no other bike I've ever owned.
£2600 is my sweet-spot. I've ridden the high-priced models (Ultegra instead of 105..etc) but I couldn't spot a difference for the extra £2K.
Having said that I love riding my £599 Genesis Single-Speed. It's made from heavy steel tubing, has almost no subtleties, flair or refinement (or speed actually)...it's a basic winter hack....but it does a job in a bomb-proof sort of way. Cheap but I'd want more "flair" if I'd paid £900 for it.
So I'd say that "Too Expensive" is the same as my definition of "Over-Priced". That's when something doesn't do what you thought it would/should, regardless of price.
My £2600 bike exceeds my expectations so it was expensive, not too expensive.
My £9.99 Aldi top was a poor fit, had an awful zip and looked like crap after one wash. It was too expensive. It became a very expensive polishing rag.
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I've often contemplated the probability that even regular car hire would still work out cheaper than car ownership.
I did the maths, if I were to hire a car for one weekend every month, it would cost me less per year, than just insuring a car. That's not including buying it, putting fuel in, MOT, etc... Just the insurance cost. But then I'm not in the middle of nowhere, so for me everything is either a short cycle ride away, or a short tram/metro ride away[1]...
This does mean I'm rather dependent on my bikes, hence why at least one bike has spiked tyres fitted during the winter, the only reason not to cycle is if I've been hit by the latest office flu...
J
[1] Apart from the DIY store, which seems to be nowhere near public transport, and is not an area I want to lock up any bike... Which is a pain as I need a new tap...
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In one of the motoring threads, I went through all my car club and Electric Highway receipts. I worked out that I've been paying about 40p/mile on average for car use. Which isn't far off what it cost when I last owned a one-step-up-from banger small car.
I've effectively traded thinking more carefully about whether I actually need to use a car for a given journey for being able to chose a more appropriate vehicle for the task in hand, drive newer, shinier, more environmentally-friendly cars, and not have to worry about the constant risk of vandalism from on-street parking in a drunken student hotspot. And MOTs and insurance and repairs are SEP.
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I'm sure our car isn't near cost-effective at fewer than 1,000 miles/year but expense isn't an issue and the convenience of having it saves having to faff about hiring one on the few occasions we need one.
My most expensive bike cost about £450 but I mostly bumble about on a brothed-up £130 machine that refuses to die. But then I'm mostly a utilitarian cyclist and I want something I can lock up at my destination without worrying about it being nicked or getting dirty.
My main expense is trousers owing to the shiny arse effect.
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We did a very quick costing on getting rid of our car. The only way it wouldn't work out more expensive was if we changed our lifestyle and stopped doing the things we liked to do. It was the weekends that caused the issues. We hop in the car and go to a nearby town for stuff we need. We go walking or cycling in nice and safe areas for our 4 year old son. Riding out with him from here isn't really safe enough for my partner. Holidays, etc. All with enough kit to fill a big mpv.
When our car got hit whilst parked up we got a hire car of equivalent or larger size to what we run. It cost the insurance a fortune for those two weeks. Add in bike rack hire, etc I think the annual two week summer holiday would cost more than the insurance and mot for the year. Add in another week and as many weekends as possible camping.
As we decided the decision isn't about cost but about lifestyle. What do we want out of our life. As bad as it sounds, do we want to save the planet or not? We decided to be part way between those answers. We've cut right back on car use during the week and to some extent at the weekends. However we still use it a lot at the weekend. For that it's still needed. Public transport isn't good enough, not really fit for use in many ways.
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We live in London, which obviously skews the public transport issue, and helps ensure that insurance for anything vaguely sensible for our needs would most likely be £800-£1300 for the first year, let alone the costs of purchase, servicing, tyres ...
On cost, there's really no question - last time we went away for a weekend, we had a Passat estate for four days, and it cost £53. I've just picked up a BMW 320 for a day, and it's under £25. We're contemplating getting a Focus or equivalent for ten-ish days over Xmas, and it's looking likely to be £110 or so. Next time we want a three-day weekend, I've got a voucher for a free hire of a Golf or similar. Excesses are stupidly high, but an annual policy to take them to zero was £32.
Now, all of those prices are a result of being *very* price-sensitive and shopping around, and of joining loyalty schemes, and of being happy to ride some distance to a cheaper outlet where appropriate. We need to plan ahead. We can't just decide to go somewhere, and five minutes later hop in the car and go. We can't practically fit a bike rack. But at the moment, that convenience isn't worth a couple of grand a year to us.
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As we decided the decision isn't about cost but about lifestyle. What do we want out of our life.
That's it, you've got it precisely, except where you've applied it to having a car, I've applied it to cycling. I make no claim that one choice is better than another, other than that mine suites me, but where I'm unquestioning about your choices, you've started a thread about mine.
I did the whole spreadsheet thing when considering not having a car, taxis, public transport, hiring... I made the mistake of thinking I'd have the same transport needs and have to find other ways to meet them. It's worked out the other way round, I have this transport available - this is what I can do with it, it's not necessarily better, but it certainly not worse.
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I've started a thread about what sort of price for stuff makes you worry that you've spent too much. Not a thread questioning ppl who have given up a car. Someone started talking about bikes being only transport and saving on cost of car. I pointed out that for us owning a car was cheaper than hiring cars or using public transport.
If you think by stating that we would have to give up our lifestyle completely or spend more than owning a car to go carless is a criticism of your choice then I think you're being a bit too sensitive.
Back on topic, do you have an annual budget on bike related purchases? Or do you only buy what you need and when you need it, spending as little as you can get away with? The latter with me. I try not to spend anything but if I need something then I'll shop around to get a good deal. I buy budget to mid range on clothing but also use clothing bought for other outdoors activities which can be found for less than cycling specific. However for things like tyres I'll spend more than budget / mid range for example marathon plus tyres if I want tough tyres. I think it's worth spending on tyres personally.
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For me, cycling has nothing to do with transport, but a lot to do with recreation/sport with a bit of social on the side.
My buying decisions are more to do with what I will enjoy owning, more like buying art perhaps. I don’t need the number of bikes etc I have, but I enjoy having them. I have an immaculate Hetchins that I haven’t ridden for 10 years, but I still enjoy it.
So, what price is too expensive? I’d say it is when the spending impinges on the essentials of life, like bills, Council tax, heating etc.
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So, what price is too expensive? I’d say it is when the spending impinges on the essentials of life, like bills, Council tax, heating etc.
Surely this is the question for all hobbies and the same question will get asked on golf, kayaking and all other forums. In factI suspect that was the source of the argument between Brutus and Caesar.
I am blessed with a job which asks me to work stupid hours but pays well. I currently have no dependents as my wife earns for herself. I give what I consider to be a morally correct amount to charity and the rest gets put in a bank or spent on my hobbies of cycling and photography.
I find the actual amount I spend is variable. I will spend a lot on a really good light as that is a safety aspect. I do like Assos but that was after trying everything else on the way up. Surely this question has no definitive answer and just has to be answered in the light of our own circumstances and morals.
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I've started a thread about what sort of price for stuff makes you worry that you've spent too much.
While these days I belong in the happy company of those who can mostly afford things if we want to, I haven't always. However, I have never regretted paying for decent bike gear. Or, for that matter, decent anything over the cheaper equivalents. If you can afford the more expensive version, while it can't be guaranteed, overall you are likely to pay less and be more satisfied. That doesn't extend to paying for the sake of having the more expensive version, like the Ultegra vs 105 cassette, where the weight saving for me is meaningless, or paying a premium for a brand label without the quality behind it.
I've often found a happy home in Sportpursuit ( https://www.sportpursuit.com/join/Ham <- if use this link to join if you aren't yet a member, I get £5 credit if you buy, if you have a friend that's a member, get their link to give them the credit) as they often carry premium brands from other countries looking to explore the UK market. I would advise researching what you're buying carefully and trying to identify just that sort of product. Mostly, where they carry UK brands they are cheap, but not necessarily compulsively so. But for example, I've had bib shorts that appear to be close to the quality of my Assos F1 for a fraction of the cost. Of course, you can do similar by using the online retailers' sales, but they can be limiting. Also, SP is best for planned purchases, when you can look over a period than stuff you need there and then.
On the bike front, I was only musing the other day about the unique nature of cycling: I'm as happy (in a way) pootling to the shops on my old beater as much as I enjoy riding my top end bikes.
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One thing I don't do is allow myself to be activated by offers or sales. Neither do I shop around, much.