Author Topic: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013  (Read 40396 times)

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #225 on: 02 October, 2013, 09:38:41 pm »
Interesting, thanks (the times, anyway - I confess I have no idea what a "good" power is though ... ).

Most riders with a lot of data are waaaaaay faster than me, so comparisons don't work as well. This restores my faith in comparing speeds between people and distances - the science works, waffle doesn't!



You're still 13ish miles up on me - and I reckon you earned it ;)

It's one of the peculiarities of using Audax for training as a very large rider that you end up with lots of power. It's possible to hang onto a fast group on mixed terrain by going into the red. On hills you get dropped because you overheat, and riding on the front is below the training threshold on the flat if you don't want to end up dropping everyone.
Bridging to groups ahead is also good training, when I wore a heart rate monitor I'd see my highest sustained values for that. What is a constant effort ride for the average rider is often interval training for the the heavier ones. That's why pursuiters are often pretty big, riding with others equips them for that level of sustained power. You need to train alone or with someone of your own size for a constant effort, which requires discipline, and all the feedback you can get. A heart rate monitor set to 150 maximum and 120 minimum is useful at night. Your values will vary.

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #226 on: 02 October, 2013, 09:53:11 pm »
The introductory stuff on the CTT site is pretty sensible.
http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Beginners/YourFirstTimeTrial/tabid/82/Default.aspx

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #227 on: 03 October, 2013, 12:28:57 pm »
I remember watching one of ESL's videos (I think) of the National 24; he asked Wilko, who was a helper or marshal at that one, what he considers to be the key to doing well on a 24, and he said simply "concentration" (I may be paraphrasing). So a rider may be great at 10s, 25s, 50s and even hundreds, but they need to be able to concentrate on trying hard for 24 hours - not really an issue on shorter events, or at least not in the same way. Most people tend to find the Sunday morning the hardest part mentally - for me, it was the thought that you still have 8 hours of racing to go...the concentration wanders when you think of this and you slow down as a result.

I think it's very hard to project even a vaguely accurate prediction for performance on the 24 from shorter distance TTs. I guess you may be able to do so if you look at the times of someone who you know to have a similar 'performance curve' to you (e.g. you both do better on long distance than short). This year was my first 24, so through the year at club TTs, I was comparing myself to club mates who had done the 24 to try to see how I might fare - it proved pretty innacurate though. Admittedly, their fitness may have improved since their 24 or they may have been concentrating on short distance so that may have distorted the prediction.

FWIW, I think my most useful indicator was when I did the Heart of England 300 in April. I rode it on the same bike, with the same set up and at roughly the same intensity that I intended to ride the 24. It wasn't a very sociable ride, though I did ride with a few people on it, but doing that gave me a reasonable idea of where my fitness was and whether my target was reasonable.

100 mile TTs are of course useful as well, but of the two I entered, I packed on one (the shame) and the other went badly wrong due to dehydration so weren't particularly useful indicators of performance!

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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #228 on: 03 October, 2013, 04:29:16 pm »
I think it's very hard to project even a vaguely accurate prediction for performance on the 24 from shorter distance TTs.
The Vets TT bunch have produced tables to do exactly this. They spent a LOT of time on it using flibabytes of data - your post above may upset them enormously  :P
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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #229 on: 03 October, 2013, 06:00:03 pm »
Haha, excellent!

They'll know better than me, I'm just basing it on my one experience of the 24...they'll have much more data to go on. Plus, I'm not a vet yet so it doesn't apply to me ;)

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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #230 on: 03 October, 2013, 06:11:27 pm »
Plus, I'm not a vet yet so it doesn't apply to me ;)
Once you've beaten any of the Vet records, you can certainly use that excuse  ;D
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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #231 on: 03 October, 2013, 06:35:42 pm »
Well that's not going to happen any time soon. I'll just have to keep to the excuse that I'm crap.

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #232 on: 03 October, 2013, 06:47:56 pm »
I remember watching one of ESL's videos (I think) of the National 24; he asked Wilko, who was a helper or marshal at that one, what he considers to be the key to doing well on a 24, and he said simply "concentration"

That was 2.27 into this video. It was interesting to contrast John Warnock's approach with Wilko's. John was very much in control of his team, while Wilko just rode, and did what his team said, but that team goes back 20 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4o2ppA9Dw

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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #233 on: 03 October, 2013, 10:10:01 pm »
Plus, I'm not a vet yet so it doesn't apply to me ;)
Once you've beaten any of the Vet records, you can certainly use that excuse  ;D

Reminds me who holds the vets 24h record again?  :P

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #234 on: 22 October, 2013, 12:49:58 pm »
I put together a short film about where LEL fits between the 24 and PBP. It concentrates a lot on those who were involved in both the LEL and the 24, and on the result of the 24.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MCi6ucYgFFk&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/MCi6ucYgFFk&rel=1</a>

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #235 on: 22 October, 2013, 01:24:27 pm »
I didn't realise, until the results booklet arrived, that I was first in my age group for the third time (and each time the group above has gone further).

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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #236 on: 10 March, 2014, 08:15:12 pm »
Yippeee!
Jane and Arabellas ride has made it into the CTT handbook.
Perhaps a 12 this year? Or a 100.....; :)

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #237 on: 17 March, 2014, 07:09:48 am »
Ladies long barrow Long Distance BBAR record?

Assasin

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Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #238 on: 21 March, 2014, 06:47:18 am »
Jane is doing the Womens RRA LeJog solo trike this year.
And possibly the 1000 if in a fit state.
But it sounds like a plan as the 24 hour fellowship do a nice certificate for the
longest 3 tt distances.

Re: Mersey Roads 24 hour TT, 20-21 July 2013
« Reply #239 on: 21 March, 2014, 08:12:34 am »
Hooray!