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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Exit Stage Left on 06 January, 2015, 02:24:39 pm

Title: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 January, 2015, 02:24:39 pm
Kurt outlines his plans up to the weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205892292172552&set=vb.1416129978&type=2&theater
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 06 January, 2015, 06:38:10 pm
Good luck Tarzan.

Looks to have a plan laid out, I'm presuming that the 'Florida Command Centre' is his RV? Either way it's almost time for the hare to go against the tortoise!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 06 January, 2015, 06:52:03 pm
Have a look at how similar his schedule is to Steve's, which was published ages ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 06 January, 2015, 07:04:10 pm
Have a look at how similar his schedule is to Steve's, which was published ages ago.

I don't see how they are similar? Steve's highest average speed through the summer months will only be a tad higher then Kurt's starting average. Likewise with the hours spent on the bike.

It will be interesting to see though how it levels out once a few months have passed - personally I can't wait.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 06 January, 2015, 07:17:53 pm
Daily distances through the year follow almost exactly the same profile.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 January, 2015, 07:21:23 pm
It's spooky, almost as if they had the same goal in mind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 06 January, 2015, 07:31:59 pm
does seem then that its Tarzan and Steve left, ironox seems to have not done more than 50 miles ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 06 January, 2015, 07:34:57 pm
with only so many hours available in a day, there's not much room for improvisation. i'd be more interested to analyse and compare their nutrition and physiological data.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 January, 2015, 07:37:26 pm
Is it compulsory to upload data to Strava at set intervals?
Not disclosing distances might be an interesting tactic.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 06 January, 2015, 07:38:19 pm
Upload to Strava within 24 hours I believe.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 January, 2015, 07:39:37 pm
A pity.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 06 January, 2015, 07:41:06 pm
Is it compulsory to upload data to Strava at set intervals?
Not disclosing distances might be an interesting tactic.
Yeah,  or at least nottify UMCA. I think. Check the rules which are posted somewhere here!


If I had the advantage of starting somewhere much warmer than MK, I would schedule much closer to 200 miles in Jan/Feb.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 06 January, 2015, 07:41:48 pm
The most important tactic is one that Steve has got completely right.  That tactic is
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Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: savine on 07 January, 2015, 08:53:43 am
I read the other day on another site that Iornox has problems riding over 90 miles per day when it's cold due to damage to his feet from frostbite back in 94 and where he is it's cold at the Mo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 January, 2015, 10:07:29 pm
http://crookedlettercycling.com/2015/01/09/endurance-cyclist-kurt-searvogel-seeks-topple-74-year-old-miles-pedaled-record/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 09 January, 2015, 10:22:35 pm
From the above blog Searvogel will "be picking up a Bachetta CA2 recumbent bike. The recumbent will be a valuable asset, enabling him to rest his upper body while still riding many miles every day".

The CA2 is the ultra-lightweight carbon fibre Bachetta recumbent. I have a Very Heavy bottom-of-the-range Bachetta recumbent which Steve can use if he has upper body problems. However I'd be surprised if a more suitable lightweight 'bent wasn't made available if needed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 January, 2015, 10:23:54 pm
I think that making that great a positional change during the record would be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 09 January, 2015, 10:42:23 pm
Yes but, say, Shermer's neck struck...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on 09 January, 2015, 11:31:25 pm
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Kurt’s Facebook page mentions that he will be fueling his ride with both Spiz energy

Where's Captain Kirk? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXJkWkP328)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 09 January, 2015, 11:51:33 pm
I think that making that great a positional change during the record would be a bad thing.

Agreed, have not read about him doing any miles on a bent so having no bent legs could do more harm than good.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 09 January, 2015, 11:54:32 pm
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Kurt’s Facebook page mentions that he will be fueling his ride with both Spiz energy

Where's Captain Kirk? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXJkWkP328)

I thought I'd be the only person to get the Spiz energy reference!

Chapeau :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 10 January, 2015, 02:34:30 am
I read the other day on another site that Iornox has problems riding over 90 miles per day when it's cold due to damage to his feet from frostbite back in 94 and where he is it's cold at the Mo.

He seems to struggle to ride 20 miles per day atm!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 10 January, 2015, 08:21:33 am
Tarzan planned a 5am start (according to a post 9hrs ago) - but the tracker suggests he snuck out around midnight (Florida time*). Have the games begun?!?

39 miles in 3 hours so far.

*please don't trust my time zone sums ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 10 January, 2015, 08:25:59 am
According the to the Trackleaders' site:

Current speed   10.2 mph
Today's ESTIMATED Distance covered   39.82 mi
Moving Time   0:03:17


But then it says:

Last Update Rec'd   10:47:48 PM (GMT) 01/03/15 (i.e. 3rd Jan)

So I'm puzzled.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 10 January, 2015, 08:27:38 am
Yeah. I suspect that is a Jan 3rd test ride,  and he hasn't set off yet.

If that's the case,  he's giving Steve a 5 hour lead :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 10 January, 2015, 08:28:39 am
Probably too windy for him ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 January, 2015, 08:40:43 am
I think Little Rock is -6 hours, so 3am Little Rock is 9am UK.  However, he'll need his thermal long johns on if he goes out today - tracker shows 16F outside the city (-9C)   :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 January, 2015, 08:41:36 am
He was going to spend the first month or 2 in Florida.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 10 January, 2015, 08:45:31 am
Yes. that's an old track. If it's a 5am start then he'll be starting out in a little over an hour's time (5 hours behind gmt in Florida).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 10 January, 2015, 10:36:00 am
He's rolling...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on 10 January, 2015, 10:37:03 am
Yep, Tarzan has swung in to play. http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on 10 January, 2015, 10:45:53 am

 Audio of his start- "https://archive.org/embed/TarzanScream"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 10 January, 2015, 10:50:12 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 10 January, 2015, 11:21:32 am
His moving time is shown as 6:15:22  ??? a glitch ? also
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Current positions: Steve Abraham: 1576.98 mi; Kurt Tarzan Searvogel: 968.53 mi; William IronOx Pruett: 123.41 mi; -- at 11:30:03 AM (GMT) 01/10/15
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 10 January, 2015, 11:56:33 am
His moving time is shown as 6:15:22  ??? a glitch ? also
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Current positions: Steve Abraham: 1576.98 mi; Kurt Tarzan Searvogel: 968.53 mi; William IronOx Pruett: 123.41 mi; -- at 11:30:03 AM (GMT) 01/10/15

Point #1 for Tarzan states:
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917.27 mi traveled at 5.9 mph

I assume that this means that he turned on his SPOT 6 days ago to check it worked before he jumped on the plane to Florida.

The Strava traces will sort it all out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 10 January, 2015, 01:10:51 pm
He was planning to ride to Florida according to the video posted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 January, 2015, 05:18:33 pm
He was going to spend the first month or 2 in Florida.

Quite famously, Britton Hill is the highest hill in Florida, at 345 ft above sea level.

From Jacksonville to Key West ( 500 miles ) has its 'highest point' located at the summit of a bridge between two islands on the way to Key West.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on 10 January, 2015, 07:37:30 pm
So, he's using the pan flat roads of the peninsula - should be an easy win if he keeps fit and able  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 10 January, 2015, 07:52:41 pm
Riding more than 75,000 miles in a year will not be an easy win for anyone.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2015, 08:07:38 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 10 January, 2015, 10:22:51 pm
Looks to be around 225-230 miles for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 January, 2015, 10:24:22 pm
He was always going to start fast.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 10 January, 2015, 10:32:43 pm
He's tapering his ride throughout the day looking at his speed. I expect if he was to ride a bent he'd be in the 270-280 range. ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2015, 10:45:27 pm
It looks as though he has stopped. 205 miles on the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 11 January, 2015, 12:42:55 am
371 km on strava for his first day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 11 January, 2015, 09:05:46 am
Tarzan clearly has a very different strategy to Steve. 231 miles on his first day is not that different to Steve, but his average speed is way way faster thus meaning significantly less time on the bike. His average heart rate is also way higher (as you'd expect given the effort to go at that speed). This is all well and good but can he vkeep that kind of effort level up for months on end? I personally suspect not. My thoughts are that Steve's approach has a much better chance over the long run.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 11 January, 2015, 09:20:51 am
Tarzan is "only" riding 100 miles every 7th day which will bring his average down over the week.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on 11 January, 2015, 09:58:34 am
The trackleaders trace gives hin 1227 miles on day 1   :o   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on 11 January, 2015, 11:42:15 am
The trackleaders trace gives hin 1227 miles on day 1   :o   ;D

I guess that's calculating in the distance from when he switched his tracker on as a test at home in Little Rock.... but he drove to Florida AIUI
Strava will sort it out though.

Tarzan clearly has a very different strategy to Steve. 231 miles on his first day is not that different to Steve, but his average speed is way way faster thus meaning significantly less time on the bike. His average heart rate is also way higher (as you'd expect given the effort to go at that speed). This is all well and good but can he vkeep that kind of effort level up for months on end? I personally suspect not. My thoughts are that Steve's approach has a much better chance over the long run.
I think you are right.
A question was asked elsewhere about "recovery times".
With 20+ years of experience of riding these sort of daily distances and by keeping his effort level low (as reflected by an avg hear rate less than 90) Steve will (I hope) not need much "recovery" between rides. The 'evidence' for this ?   He's still averaging much the same pace as on day 1.    I think I'm right in saying most of us experience a drop-off in speed on multi-day rides?
At a higher effort level I'll be expecting Tarzan's performances to suffer somewhat after the few days - or maybe the first 3000 miles (RAAM distance) .... I doubt his tactic of one shorter (~100 mile) day in every seven will give him the recovery he needs?
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on 11 January, 2015, 12:44:01 pm
He is fighting the laws of physics as well, wind resistance, and thus effort required are a square law. 18 mph is a lot less effort than 22mph. Although he is relying on technology to help him along
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 01:09:58 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see it is Michael Heseltin (http://www.cartoons.ac.uk/record-image/standard/SBD0143)e and Norman Tebbit (http://youtu.be/sU_pDM1N7i0) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nethypete on 11 January, 2015, 01:22:51 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see itis Michael Hesseltine and Norman Tebbit ;D

And that's coming from someone previously known as Windy  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2015, 01:25:45 pm
Metabolically there is also a disproportionate impact from hard effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 01:26:05 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see itis Michael Hesseltine and Norman Tebbit ;D

And that's coming from someone previously known as Windy  ;D ;D ;D

touche ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 11 January, 2015, 01:37:25 pm
Currently rolling heading west towards Lake Okeechobee. Quick route on RWGPS, which is a ride around this lake gives 285km with only 100m of climbing!

I wonder how he'll do in a few weeks with respect to his recovery.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 11 January, 2015, 02:22:25 pm
Not something any of us wish to contemplate, but I would have thought that Tarzan's strategy has more danger of some sort of injury than Steve's gentler approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 11 January, 2015, 02:26:28 pm
But perhaps less danger of other sorts of injury?  Fewer hours on the bike...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 January, 2015, 02:37:56 pm
Tarzan's 50, isn't he? I would have thought that that kind of high-stress output for the length of time he is intending it is rather a lot a body that age to put up with.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 11 January, 2015, 02:42:08 pm
He's a RAAM veteran isn't he? Not then your average 50yo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 11 January, 2015, 02:42:56 pm
But perhaps less danger of other sorts of injury?  Fewer hours on the bike...

Oh god.  Let's just not go there.  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 11 January, 2015, 02:50:12 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 11 January, 2015, 02:52:03 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 11 January, 2015, 05:25:17 pm
Tarzan is "only" riding 100 miles every 7th day which will bring his average down over the week.

It will be interesting to see how effective this tactic is - quite a different approach to Steve - I certainly wouldn't fancy a 100 mile recovery day, especially not "to allow me to race the next day" (presumably refering to the long races he plans to take part in during the year, presuming they commonly start on Saturdays?).

Tarzan's approach of faster for fewer hours in the saddle will require more energy than Steve's (in terms of work done in moving a bicycle over the same distance). How efficeint their respective physiologies are in converting this energy from food is another matter (and the current large temperature difference between UK and Florida will not be insignificant). Some simple calculations, taking into account terrain and wind, comparing their respective first days, tarzan needed about an extra 1/3 unit of energy per km to move him + bike.

Tarzan's plan on his website called for an average of 167 miles per day during January, and this was for a total about 4000 miles less that Steve's initial plan. I'm guessing he might now be registering a bit more than that given how well Steve has started! The next few days will be enlightening...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 January, 2015, 05:57:57 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 11 January, 2015, 07:47:02 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

Also:
- They've fixed his total distance - yay. (but future fossil-fuel based transport may re-break it ... )

- Looking at the map,  he and Steve could both ride thru "Buckingham" one day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 08:03:46 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

Also:
- They've fixed his total distance - yay. (but future fossil-fuel based transport may re-break it ... )

- Looking at the map,  he and Steve could both ride thru "Buckingham" one day.

What? Break rule 14?
'If the bike/rider must be transported, the tracking devices must be turned off during transport.'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 11 January, 2015, 08:07:53 pm
Ian,
read the comments on Tarzan's tracker page. (don't blame the messenger!)

( I'm not saying it won't happen,  but a DQ for accidentally leaving the thing on seems a tad harsh. Just MHO )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 11 January, 2015, 08:10:38 pm
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

From what I can see he has had a tailwind so far today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 08:30:22 pm
Ian,
read the comments on Tarzan's tracker page. (don't blame the messenger!)

( I'm not saying it won't happen,  but a DQ for accidentally leaving the thing on seems a tad harsh. Just MHO )

Agreed, it would be harsh. I didn't start looking at the UMCA and American pages until today following the discussion about alcohol on 'Jan 10th'. There are some very odd rules ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 January, 2015, 08:37:51 pm
The UMCA developed from officiating RAAM and everything should be seen in that context. Look at the rules from that veiwpoint and most of them seem reasonable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 08:47:00 pm
It's the likes of being able to change from bike to recumbent and having a year start anywhere in the calendar that I find odd.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 11 January, 2015, 08:51:40 pm
It's the likes of being able to change from bike to recumbent and having a year start anywhere in the calendar that I find odd.

A bike's a bike, and 365 days is 365 days.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 January, 2015, 09:02:57 pm
S'pose, but still think it's shifting the goalposts when the UMCA refer to the Tommy Godwin record as the standard to be beaten.

Edit:
- Godwin's (and all previous) records were called the year record and relate to miles completed in a calendar year.
- Godwin's (and all previous(?) records were done on conventional bikes so switching between recumbent and conventional bike is  a different record (re: Andy Wilkinson recumbent cf Gethin Butler conventional End to End)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 11 January, 2015, 09:25:41 pm
I think Tarzans undoing will be that he is planning to enter competitive events during his years plan. He surely will (as a competitive male)  push himself at these events and that will need more recovery than he has planned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 11 January, 2015, 09:29:21 pm
Steve is aiming at doing the 24hr TT and possibly other races. I expect that he'll have access to a tent and camp bed to sleep in.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on 11 January, 2015, 09:35:32 pm
Looking at Tarzan's tracker page, I think he's going to win the "most miles on a dead straight road" trophy. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 January, 2015, 09:40:24 pm
It's a bit of a shame he didn't complete a Floridian coast-to-coast today. Very nearly, but not quite. He seems to me to be a bit slower today as well.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JBB on 11 January, 2015, 10:21:51 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 11 January, 2015, 10:43:50 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....


and living in an exceptionally privileged country...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 11 January, 2015, 10:49:21 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....


and living in an exceptionally privileged country...

Filed under luck
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 January, 2015, 08:46:05 am
Andy Wilkinson has set new 12 and 24 hour records at around 50. These aren't sprints, managing effort to meet schedules is an important factor.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 12 January, 2015, 09:13:15 am
Today's estimate for Tarzan according to the tracker is 436.61 mi. Is it counting a camper van trip again? Or has it got confused about what is today?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 12 January, 2015, 09:57:46 am
My assumptionis that it's because he's stopped it's showing his total tracker distance (slightly more than his total strava distance) covered, not sure if that's the case tho'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 12 January, 2015, 11:37:41 am
Strava distance for Kurt is very odd - if you take all his 2015 rides - I think you get 736.5 kms 460 miles. If you take since start on 10th jan - you get 675.2 kms 422 miles - no idea where the 436miles 697 kms comes from on the tracker - and no idea how Strava have a year to date figure of 811 kms.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 January, 2015, 12:23:23 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.

When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 12 January, 2015, 12:37:40 pm
The Tarzan express is on the road - 18 degrees Celsius where he's at ,at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 12 January, 2015, 12:40:41 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.

When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.

I think he maybe planning on doing some endurance events instead throughout the year. Would make sense as it would act as a break to the monotony of riding on your won every day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 January, 2015, 06:22:11 pm
Phew. For a moment earlier, I thought he was going to Kissimmee.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 12 January, 2015, 09:32:25 pm
Looks like Tarzan's lost in the woods.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 12 January, 2015, 09:40:10 pm
As well as starting to flag a wee bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2015, 09:44:28 pm
That's curious. He's very near a place called Wesley Chapel. Further north is Wesley Chapel South.

This could be confusing him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 12 January, 2015, 09:49:38 pm
Perhaps he's resting his legs by holding his GPS in his mouth and leaping from tree to tree.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 January, 2015, 10:36:32 pm
Judging by his last ten tracker speeds, he could be. He's cycling at my pace!

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#207 on 10:28:59 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 minutes ago) 1.65 mi traveled at 9.9 mph
#206 on 10:18:59 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (11 minutes ago) 1.50 mi traveled at 8.1 mph
#205 on 10:07:50 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (22 minutes ago) 2.04 mi traveled at 12.3 mph
#204 on 09:57:54 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (32 minutes ago) 2.51 mi traveled at 15.2 mph
#203 on 09:47:58 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (42 minutes ago) 2.04 mi traveled at 12.3 mph
#202 on 09:38:01 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (52 minutes ago) 1.65 mi traveled at 10.0 mph
#201 on 09:28:04 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 2 minutes ago) 1.32 mi traveled at 9.9 mph
#200 on 09:20:05 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 9 minutes ago) 2.36 mi traveled at 11.9 mph
#199 on 09:08:12 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 21 minutes ago) 1.43 mi traveled at 8.6 mph
#198 on 08:58:16 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 31 minutes ago) 1.15 mi traveled at 3.5 mph
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 12 January, 2015, 10:41:39 pm
I think he's in the hilly part of Florida that's why.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 12 January, 2015, 10:47:06 pm
Judging by his last ten tracker speeds, he could be. He's cycling at my pace!

I suspect he's actually doing fast circles in the woods and confusing the tracker. Strava will tell all later.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 13 January, 2015, 01:33:37 am
When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.

That would be the end of his attempt. Traffic lights every 100 yards from SF to south of San Jose and east bay normally seems even more crowded. Not to mention dozy denizens of the valley constantly turning right across you.
(I once tried to ride all that road. Once. Back in 2009. Got so damn bored stopping at all the lights I eventually decided to take a random turn. Ended up in Santa Cruz mountains. Discovered mountain climbs are fun. Entered La Marmotte a few weeks later, and Mille Cymru a few weeks after that. Yep, El Camino Real has a lot to answer for!)

99% of USA must be less densely populated than the Silicon Valley.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 13 January, 2015, 07:31:58 am
Is there another forum in another place where Tarzan's HAM'R attempt is being discussed like Steve's attempt is being discussed here?

(keeps fingers crossed the answer isn't Facebook...)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 13 January, 2015, 07:53:59 am
He doesn't seem to have mustered the same level of interest as Steve. Look at his kudos on Strava compared to Steve's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 January, 2015, 07:58:47 am
That's only because his childhood friends haven't got the technology yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 13 January, 2015, 08:12:08 am
183 miles for yesterday.  Now seems to be doing very similar miles to Steve, although his shorter 7th day will decrease the average by about 10 miles a day.  It doesn't look to me that he is going to be getting ahead of Steve early on which was what Steve seemed to be expecting. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 13 January, 2015, 08:13:54 am
He doesn't seem to have mustered the same level of interest as Steve. Look at his kudos on Strava compared to Steve's.

Golly, yes. I see what you mean.

  Social Stats

  Kurt Searvogel

  Followers 370
  Kudos 195

  Steve Abraham

  Followers 5,387
  Kudos 10,443

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 13 January, 2015, 08:18:20 am
  Kurt Searvogel

  Followers 370
  Kudos 195

Well one of those is me, I imagine he might have a few followers around here! I'm certainly wishing him luck, as I am anyone who attempts this.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 13 January, 2015, 08:50:55 am
I'm certainly wishing him luck, as I am anyone who attempts this.

Yeah, me too.

People have talked about the different approaches between Steve and Tarzan, but I think a lot of that comes down to terrain and climatic environment. Here in the UK we're all snuggled into little dolls house of a country where everything is literally accessible by bicycle, and Steve's ideally placed to use his home as a base, and he doesn't need to change that for the whole of the 12 months. And there is Tarzan, in this monstrous place of a country with three time zones [or is it four?] and the weather from top to bottom can be a lot more extreme than it is here. If you're going to start this challenge in January in the USA, is there a better place than Florida? Who wouldn't start there? Problem he has is, how long can he stay down south before it gets too hot during the day to maintain that kind of distance. Has he outlined any travel/location plans as such?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2015, 09:15:57 am
CBA to check myself (lurgied and lazy) - does Tarzan advertise his HR on his rides? Is it possible to get some measure of how hard he's working compared to Steve? We;ve all marveled at Steve's low HR - I suspect my HR is higher than his now, as he rides and I lie in my sick bed!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 13 January, 2015, 09:26:04 am
yes.............. he shows 105 HR as average - and his total climb in 295kms was 416 metres
Steve shows as  85 HR average and 1426 metres of climb in 293.5 kms
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 13 January, 2015, 09:26:12 am
CBA to check myself (lurgied and lazy) - does Tarzan advertise his HR on his rides? Is it possible to get some measure of how hard he's working compared to Steve? We;ve all marveled at Steve's low HR - I suspect my HR is higher than his now, as he rides and I lie in my sick bed!

Yes. On Strava, click the 'analyse' option to the left of one of his rides and you get his BPM throughout the ride. e.g. https://www.strava.com/activities/240351097/analysis
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 13 January, 2015, 10:10:36 am
I think that is only  a premium feature and I get a different style of analysis for Steve and Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on 13 January, 2015, 10:27:51 am
Is it just me that finds both their heart rates amazing though?  I've not bothered with my HRM for a few years but will fit it for a DIY 200 this weekend just to see.  Even though my personal resting rate is around 50BPM, it would be impossible for me to ride any distance with an average below 100 like Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 13 January, 2015, 10:35:15 am
Is it just me that finds both their heart rates amazing though?  I've not bothered with my HRM for a few years but will fit it for a DIY 200 this weekend just to see.  Even though my personal resting rate is around 50BPM, it would be impossible for me to ride any distance with an average below 100 like Steve!

It's not just you, no. If I'm on my bike, my HR is >100, period. My usual average for a flatish 200 is 140 (max 200).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: againsttheclock on 13 January, 2015, 10:40:15 am
An interesting insight into how efficient Steve (and Tarzan) must be. Years and years of ultra-endurance riding I guess.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 13 January, 2015, 10:45:45 am
148bpm average for me on Saturday. Max 182. Less than 20kph average.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on 13 January, 2015, 10:59:16 am
My max must be about 155. On the 2nd day of a 600 my heart rate barely gets into 3 figures. Riding all day at a gentle pace on a multi-week tour, sometimes the max is about 90. Resting heart rate (as measured by the Stadtkrankenhaus Brilon in the summer) is 32.

Perhaps we're all just different (unless we're the same).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 January, 2015, 11:51:10 am
With a V rough calculation using assumptions of Steve’s RHR being 60 and his MHR 200, 85 is about 20% up his operating range.
Which means to me that if he’s riding an average of about 80 Watts, his FTP could be 400.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 13 January, 2015, 12:15:06 pm
What is the basis for the 200 max heart rate assumption?
Steve is clearly a strong rider, but his 24 hour performances, for example, don't suggest an FTP* quite that high


Jargonwatch:
* Level of power in watts that a person can produce for 1 hour
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 January, 2015, 12:19:35 pm
I have a basic heart rate monitor but have hardly ever used it. I did wear it around the SEG 75 mile ride about 4 years ago and the highest I saw it at was 140. That was whilst I was trudging up the hill form Tiger's Island to Stock. Unfortunately it doesn't record, just displays what is current. IIRC I was just out of time on that ride - it took me marginally longer than 7 hours, including stops, for the 75 miles, so I was going really quickly.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 13 January, 2015, 12:26:14 pm
Is there another forum in another place where Tarzan's HAM'R attempt is being discussed like Steve's attempt is being discussed here?

(keeps fingers crossed the answer isn't Facebook...)
The answers are
Yes &
Yes  ;D

Or rather a US forum was linked to by Steve(!) on Facebook back in December. I've been meaning to fish it out again, looked like some intelligent discussion. [Blocked at work right now ... ]
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 January, 2015, 12:49:24 pm
Obviously, as a USAnian, he will have taken this into account, but where will he ride in the summer months? It's easy for us on this side of the Atlantic to forget how far south North America is. Where he is riding at the moment is further south than Cairo. New York is on about the same latitude as Naples, Toronto and Montreal => Milan. It does tend to get pretty hot there, even in the northern states.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 13 January, 2015, 01:05:54 pm
Tarzan is aiming to relocate when needed either by car or by plane. Steve might relocate - but is not planning to.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 13 January, 2015, 01:13:31 pm
In fact it looks to me as if he relocated before starting today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 13 January, 2015, 02:05:46 pm
Having that flexibility is one of the reasons why Kurt is a serious contender.  This is not some chump swinging through the trees and chomping bananas.  He is a competitive athlete who has a goal, a plan and the belief.  I am not privy to whether Steve just wants to surpass Tommy or to establish a long lasting record.  But Kurt clearly intends to win.

An exciting duel between two great athletes.  And that other muppet, flaccidcock or whatever his name is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 13 January, 2015, 02:13:07 pm
This is not some chump swinging through the trees and chomping bananas.

Indeed not, but if he will call himself Tarzan, he is going to get some ape jokes :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 January, 2015, 02:58:28 pm
I don’t trust him.
A man in nothing but a buckskin loincloth who has a chimp called Cheetah as a best friend.

I want to know where he found that knife.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 January, 2015, 03:17:52 pm
After a couple of years of regular Audaxing I found myself doing the BHPC's two-hour race at Castle Combe.  Hard as it may be to believe, I was in the leading bunch of three and at one point was able to read the HRM of another rider.  He was revving at 170+; I was doing about 140.

Bugger still outsprant me in the final furlong through >:(

If Tarzan wants flat there is plenty of it in USAnia, but combining flat with "not outrageously hot" or "not infested with things that bite" is a different matter.  The latter would tend to rule out northern Minnesota, where my friend Brad knows of a road with a total altitude change of <6' in ten miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 13 January, 2015, 04:51:11 pm
outsprant

Word of the day, Sir :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 13 January, 2015, 05:04:46 pm
For Wobbly:

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240-4.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 13 January, 2015, 05:09:19 pm
For Matt C

(http://www.thedivorceclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bunch-of-flowers.jpg)

Ta

 :-*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 07:43:12 am
His wife and pet are not looking happy about the fact that he's gone on a year long bike ride.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10363872_10153080963133982_331013720479522775_n.jpg?oh=3965f4360415b1f6afee3128b04b6805&oe=55341128&__gda__=1429043479_d34cbe1e00581f9244762dd5c7ee6705)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 14 January, 2015, 09:25:27 am
Steve's wife and pet weren't so bothered.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8216/8394206554_e729a4bf46.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 09:27:32 am
;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 09:35:25 am
Plenty of snaps appearing on Kurt's FB page - not sure about that diet tho'  :-\

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10407656_1561903674051340_4138072613964825388_n.jpg?oh=59733a86f752be70df958a2585e2c7c6&oe=556C77C8&__gda__=1429292355_b2339c5e0c72fe32f052d714b47e4372)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 14 January, 2015, 10:48:14 am
Is Tarzan sponsored by MacDonalds? We should see if we can get TG sponsored by Weatherspoons...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2015, 10:51:43 am
Perhaps he has a deal which involves him agreeing to eat a certain amount of their muck on his record attempt. I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, about someone who ate too many Macdonalds's splutchburgers suffering from malnutrition.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 14 January, 2015, 10:54:09 am
Perhaps he has a deal which involves him agreeing to eat a certain amount of their muck on his record attempt. I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, about someone who ate too many Macdonalds's splutchburgers suffering from malnutrition.

That would the the film, Supersize Me.   It was enlightening and disgusting in equal measures. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 14 January, 2015, 10:56:47 am
Is Tarzan sponsored by MacDonalds? We should see if we can get TG sponsored by Weatherspoons...

It’s daytime, It’s night-time, it’s bicycle time,,,

Its Pukka pie time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 January, 2015, 11:06:01 am
Lon Haldeman, who won the first couple of RAAMs, was a fan of junk food. McDonalds sponsored RAAM for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 14 January, 2015, 11:48:05 am
Basically, when I see this kind of picture and more particularly when Steve has his fork poised over a cheap breakfast, I can't help but think "Fuelled by gristle, slurry and gonads."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 14 January, 2015, 12:16:18 pm
At least two of the previous five record holders have been vegetarian.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 12:19:15 pm
They do veggie burgers too I believe - I can't be certain as I live in a golden arches free zone

(It wouldn't have been available for Tommy Godwin of course)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 12:22:20 pm
I think Kurt may be about to start today's ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 14 January, 2015, 12:32:33 pm
On another FB image his recumbent bike fitting is being done by some amateur bike designer... ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 06:33:15 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 14 January, 2015, 06:35:06 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)

I'm betting he didn't have early ice issues ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 January, 2015, 07:15:16 pm
Aye, better winter conditions will help him to build up the miles early on. He's been heading up and down the same stretch of road all day, and now the wind has turned NE and he's diverted SW
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 14 January, 2015, 07:20:58 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)

I'm betting he didn't have early ice issues ;)

No, but he did have to dodge a few alligators!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 14 January, 2015, 08:37:55 pm
Plenty of snaps appearing on Kurt's FB page - not sure about that diet tho'  :-\

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10407656_1561903674051340_4138072613964825388_n.jpg?oh=59733a86f752be70df958a2585e2c7c6&oe=556C77C8&__gda__=1429292355_b2339c5e0c72fe32f052d714b47e4372)

That's one of the joys of long distance riding. It turns eating into a natural function without any of the guilt that accompanies it in the modern sedentary world. That feeling is fantastic for us natural Gannets. I'd be loving' it. I'm not so sure about having a whole year of it before me though.
That needs a very special kind of gluttonous appetite. One that just eats up anything put in front of it, literally and metaphorically.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 15 January, 2015, 09:47:47 am
When competing or performing a ‘Record attempt’,

DO NOT accept any food or drink from someone you don’t trust.

Tarzan must trust McD’s ???????

This piece of advice was passed to me by a Mr ( Later Sir ) D. Brailsford after a Lecture at Jaguar Land Rover about the Quality Systems operated by Team Sky.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 15 January, 2015, 10:06:05 am
Junk food is a major contributor to obesity, because it's readily available at all hours of the night and day, has evolved to be highly palatable, is energy dense, and is cheap. All positive factors in this context.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 15 January, 2015, 12:28:39 pm
McD will argue with that. They will explain that they don’t have large men grabbing passers-by and force-feeding those people with an excess number of calories.
They will say the people off the street enter their restaurants voluntarily.

As per any foodstuffs provider. Even the Savoy Grill.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 15 January, 2015, 12:45:13 pm
He's within spitting distance of his first 1000miles   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 15 January, 2015, 12:54:56 pm
He's within spitting distance of his first 1000miles   :thumbsup:

That was reached yesterday, YTD Strava reads 1069.5 miles.

Many thanks to Ben for the tracker App.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 15 January, 2015, 12:57:16 pm
Wasn't he about 13 miles short at the end of yesterday?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 15 January, 2015, 01:01:42 pm
No idea, just reading off what the App says on my phone.

YTD Strava miles (so up to the last uploaded ride): Steve is at 2537.6, Kurt is at 1069.50 and William 410.70.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 15 January, 2015, 01:02:30 pm
Wasn't he about 13 miles short at the end of yesterday?

Yes, that's what I made it too:

DayDistanceCumulative Distance
1230.7230.7
2188.8419.5
3183.5603.0
4190.0793.1
5191.4984.5
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 15 January, 2015, 01:05:59 pm
For Tarzan and IronOx Strava is counting more miles than the record milage because they started after Jan 1st. By the end of the year that difference will be immaterial unless it's looking very close between TG and Tarzan (assuming here that IronOx isn't making a serious challenge).

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 15 January, 2015, 01:13:22 pm
his tracker was at 11 mile when I posted, now at 18.78 so now past the first 1000 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on 15 January, 2015, 01:34:11 pm
Quite by chance, I'm level with one of the riders in the 1YTT!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 January, 2015, 01:51:27 pm
I am rather puzzlud by Strava. I would have thought that Tarzan's distance was sufficient to place him on page 1 of the MTS leaderboard, which is where Cyclr_dr1 and Steve are to be found, but I can find no sign of him, despite having trawled through a number of pages. What am I doing/assunibg wrong?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 15 January, 2015, 01:52:38 pm
MTS is a monthly challenge that you have to sign up to. Maybe he hasn't joined the challenge?

Explore 'clubs' and look for 'UMCA HAMR'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 January, 2015, 03:15:21 pm
McD will argue with that. They will explain that they don’t have large men grabbing passers-by and force-feeding those people with an excess number of calories.

No indeed, they have a Scary Clown who chases small children into their establishments forcing their parents to come in after them.

I must stop eating cheese late at night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 16 January, 2015, 10:22:39 am
I'm impressed by Tarzan's speed.

Yeah, I know he's on flatter roads and all that. Even so . . .

He's also 10 years older than Steve. Its going to come to who can tough it out over the whole year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2015, 11:12:47 am
I think he's using a faster bike than Steve, i.e. a time trial bike. I wonder how this is going to work for comfort over the course of the year, and how many spare bikes he has available.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 16 January, 2015, 12:06:09 pm
I think he's using a faster bike than Steve, i.e. a time trial bike. I wonder how this is going to work for comfort over the course of the year, and how many spare bikes he has available.

He wears two pairs of shorts and has a recumbent which he uses. From his FB videos I think he has three bikes. Two TT's and the bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 16 January, 2015, 08:44:29 pm
It doesn't look like he's going for a rest day today...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 16 January, 2015, 08:46:46 pm
I was just thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 January, 2015, 09:03:09 pm
Of course not, Steve is his pacemaker. Kurt is aiming to match and slightly exceed Steve, so he doesn't want to drop behind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 16 January, 2015, 09:26:26 pm
Yup, his tactics are now crystal clear. The positive thing from Steve's point of view is that whilst Kurt has slightly exceeded Steve's distances each day, he is riding in near perfect conditions - often 20°C with little wind; today with a 12mph northerly following wind all day - and Kurt's not going to improve on the conditions he has now; but it won't be long before the days get longer and it starts to get warmer in the UK, and that will make a big difference to Steve...

"winter miles count double" (but not in Florida)  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 16 January, 2015, 09:56:36 pm
To be fair to Tarzan, it's the smart thing to do.

And I'd do the same too because I lack moral fibre.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 16 January, 2015, 10:14:56 pm
Maybe his speed will be his undoing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 January, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy. To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA. There is, literally and figuratively, a very long way to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 16 January, 2015, 10:36:53 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy.

'Relatively' being the operative word there. Having once managed to ride 300km in 11 hours (the Vatternrundan, much of which was in the shelter of a peloton), I struggle to comprehend Tarzan doing that every day so far without a break, knowing that he's got to increase the daily milage for the best part of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2015, 10:55:27 pm
I struggle to comprehend the heart rate numbers of both Tarzan and Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 16 January, 2015, 11:08:00 pm
and still going, 192 miles on the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 16 January, 2015, 11:12:32 pm
Looks like he's heading into downtown Miami.
Brave man!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on 16 January, 2015, 11:18:06 pm
Airport and a flight home to Little Rock perhaps?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 16 January, 2015, 11:24:37 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy.

'Relatively' being the operative word there. Having once managed to ride 300km in 11 hours (the Vatternrundan, much of which was in the shelter of a peloton), I struggle to comprehend Tarzan doing that every day so far without a break, knowing that he's got to increase the daily milage for the best part of the year.

i once managed 300 in 11h (rutland), but certainly would not be able to repeat that the day after. even of flat roads it's quite an effort.

fwiw, on of the "hgwi swedish train" riders finished vatternrundan in 7h40m :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 16 January, 2015, 11:46:36 pm
Nope. Looks like he's going for a big one today. Good effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 17 January, 2015, 06:35:54 am
Big indeed. 212 miles at just over 20mph. That is impressive as a one-off ride let alone as part of this challenge. Chapeau.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 17 January, 2015, 08:26:49 am
To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA.
For me,  this is the big unknown. My knowledge of US climate is limited to just a few pockets of land.

Where will be the best riding conditions in July,  and how hot will it be?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 17 January, 2015, 08:35:32 am
I have to admit to being in two minds about the challenge from the US.   :-\


On the one hand, I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory.

On the other hand, there was and is only ever going to be one record holder and having someone competing for the record the same time as you must spur you on.

Either way, I would like to say that I am quite even handed in my support for all three riders attempting this record........but I'm not.  :demon:

COME ON STEVE!!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 17 January, 2015, 08:52:39 am
'Tailwinds and Flats - 3 Bike - 3 Flats - glad Alicia Snyde was on top it for two of the three flats so I only had to change one on my own.'

Not so for Steve eh?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 17 January, 2015, 08:53:31 am
Starting first has given Steve 2 advantages:
- a slight moral high ground. Most followers of the contest realise that Tarzan has taken the "sneakier" route. Like the rider in the breakaway that does no work at all until the final sprint,  some will always criticise him,whatever the result.
- There's a strong possiblity that Steve will be the first to break the record in 70 years. Even if he loses it 10 days later, that will feel amazing, and he may gain the more lasting acclaim. Who remembers the first rider to break Jens' figure for The Hour record??

Plus of course it's generating more publciity  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 09:03:04 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 09:07:39 am
There's a strong possiblity that Steve will be the first to break the record in 70 years. Even if he loses it 10 days later, that will feel amazing, and he may gain the more lasting acclaim.

Steve could also go on for the time to 100,000 miles record (although that would be an unofficial record).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 17 January, 2015, 09:20:16 am
In my opinion, if Steve is near or ahead of Tommy's year record, he will certainly go on to the 100,000 mile record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 17 January, 2015, 09:31:16 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.
I know that.

Just like my analogy with the road-racers: both strategies are in the rules, but fans will still judge one rider more kindly than the other.

Nevertheless, think through what Steve's "better strategy" would have been. To never declare an attempt until someone else had? Can't see that fitting round his life.
Or rescheduling by 20 days after Kurt's announcement? That could lead to ludicrous spiralling gamesmanship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 17 January, 2015, 09:38:04 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.

Agreed, 2 riders at the same at the same time add interest and later in the year and it's going to be tense for all of us 'Steve' fans later in the year.

Rules is rules - accepted. My problems however are accepting the following:
The year record is now any 365 day period (previously a calendar year).
The option to switch between conventional and recumbent bikes (other endurance records such as LEJoG have separate recumbent/conventional records).

But that's what it is and I'll get over it.

Respect to both, I'm in awe of the mileage that both are clocking up day after day, but I'm with H and as he says Come on Steve!!!



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 10:04:11 am
This angst feels to me people worrying Steve won't hold the UMCA validated record. 

Personally, I'm confident Steve will end the year ahead of Kurt.  In my gut, Kurt is going to have a wobbly spell because he is mixing in competitive events.  If he doesn't frazzle having done RAAM and goes on to get the record, fair play to him, that will be exceptional.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 17 January, 2015, 10:14:45 am
Steve always expected to fall behind Tarzan early on.  He is sticking to his strategy and at or slightly ahead of his upper target.  365 days is a long time and Tarzan is only on day 7.  Tarzan does not appear to be sticking to his strategy where he previously concluded he needed a rest day to recover. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 10:18:28 am
Just like my analogy with the road-racers: both strategies are in the rules, but fans will still judge one rider more kindly than the other.

Probably.  Plucky Brit and all that.  We really are a strange little country.  Lost in the romantic notion that there is a right way to win.  Bollocks to that, this is what competition and winning is about:

http://youtu.be/6PQ6335puOc

Come on Kurt and Steve.  May the strongest prevail.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 10:25:38 am
Steve always expected to fall behind Tarzan early on.  He is sticking to his strategy and at or slightly ahead of his upper target.  365 days is a long time and Tarzan is only on day 7.  Tarzan does not appear to be sticking to his strategy where he previously concluded he needed a rest day to recover.

I suspect it is because Steve has him rattled.  The psychology of it is interesting.  Steve will be an unknown quantity to Kurt, as they don't move in the same circles.  He probably didn't fully appreciate Steve really is up to the task of doing the miles needed every day. 

I am taking his pushing distances as a good thing for us that prefer Steve to prevail, as it makes it more likely Kurt will blow up.  You can't apply the same tactics to this challenge as you woild in other races - push too hard and you may struggle to recover adequately.

Steve's advantage in starting first is that he sets his own pace.  If he sticks to his plan, he dictates how much effort Kurt expends.  It may break Kurt.  Or it may not.  But either way Steve was in control and will know he could do little more.  Better than the tDF this  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 17 January, 2015, 10:30:16 am
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 10:32:23 am
I guess.  Wiggo being a good example - as clinical and sterile a win as we might ever see.  But many like to think back to Cadel Evans, and the struggles he overcame to win in France.  In my eyes, both were great athletes and champions in their own way.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly John on 17 January, 2015, 10:47:42 am
By allowing riders to choose their start date, rather than having to start on 1st Jan, they have turned it from a Year record to a 'consecutive 365 day' record.

This has given Tarzan the oppotunity to use Teethgrinder's mileage as a target to beat.

Therefore, it ought to be allowable for riders to continue beyond the anniversary of their start, to give them the opportunity to acheive a higher 'consecutive 365 day' total.

Perhaps this is not desirable though, as it could turn it into a 'who declares/cracks first' competition.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 17 January, 2015, 10:48:03 am
In my opinion, if Steve is near or ahead of Tommy's year record, he will certainly go on to the 100,000 mile record.

It would be a shame not too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 17 January, 2015, 10:54:19 am
On the one hand, I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory.

Tis the nature of the cycling beast though isn't it? And at the rate Kurt is riding in beautiful Florida [who wouldn't start there? in January?] it's not going to last very long. It won't be long before he has more miles on the clock than Steve and days in hand. Even if he gets close to Steve then decides to pull back a bit, biding his time, that's a well dangerous game to play in an event with such huge longevity and what lies ahead is the unknown. If he carries on as he is and goes ahead, then he's in the driving seat, but that's a seat with nobody to follow. Never mind what anybody else is doing, just do what needs to be done.

It's worth remembering that after today Steve will still have about 93% of the challenge left to complete, and Kurt 98%. Somewhere down the line, they'll both be in new territory where they will have ridden further than they've ever ridden before without any kind of recovery. That's when the whole thing will really start to kick in.

And the recumbent thing is interesting, because I'd have thought that with careful planning in terms of roads, conditions in the USA, if miles is your main objective, and you can ride where the hell you like, and you're going to ride recumbent at some point, then ride the damn thing from the beginning. My very limited experience switching between the two tells me that the two ways of riding in terms of muscle groups are not perfectly interchangeable. Unless he's looking to ride into a monstrous head wind for a month, then I can't see what advantage he'll gain really by switching like that.

What fascinating times we live in  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 17 January, 2015, 10:56:51 am
Both Steve and Tarzan appear to have what it takes to fight to the end.
Could this lead to the crazy situation in late December of both riders riding non stop until they drop.
If anything the competition element could make for an amazing December, with all sorts of support options from each riders supporters.
I Hope Steve breaks him before then  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 17 January, 2015, 10:59:26 am
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 17 January, 2015, 11:04:34 am
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on 17 January, 2015, 11:09:25 am
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.

I was thinking just that, reading this thread. For Steve my take is that it's a personal challenge for him to try and beat Godwins record, and it's from that that he will gain his satisfaction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 17 January, 2015, 12:02:52 pm
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...
But would Kurt be better equipped with potentially an Rv loaded with bikes, food and support with his track record, and the weather will again be a big factor.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 17 January, 2015, 12:27:29 pm
Both Steve and Tarzan appear to have what it takes to fight to the end.
Could this lead to the crazy situation in late December of both riders riding non stop until they drop.
If anything the competition element could make for an amazing December, with all sorts of support options from each riders supporters.
I Hope Steve breaks him before then  :thumbsup:

This could be the thing that legends are made of...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on 17 January, 2015, 01:31:08 pm
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...

But until then, Steve will, I hope, stick to his plan.  He's right where he wanted to be at the moment. 
Either Tarzan was lying about his own plan or he's 'feeling the pressure' to depart from it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 17 January, 2015, 02:42:05 pm
And the recumbent thing is interesting, because I'd have thought that with careful planning in terms of roads, conditions in the USA, if miles is your main objective, and you can ride where the hell you like, and you're going to ride recumbent at some point, then ride the damn thing from the beginning. My very limited experience switching between the two tells me that the two ways of riding in terms of muscle groups are not perfectly interchangeable. Unless he's looking to ride into a monstrous head wind for a month, then I can't see what advantage he'll gain really by switching like that.

The advantage of being able to keep churning out miles - albeit perhaps at reduced efficiency - while recovering from saddle sores, Shermer's neck, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 03:27:54 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.

I was thinking just that, reading this thread. For Steve my take is that it's a personal challenge for him to try and beat Godwins record, and it's from that that he will gain his satisfaction.

I did wonder that.  It's a healthy attitude; respect the history whilst making history.  I doubt Kurt has the same connection with the past, and his attraction is the UMCA challenge.  Might be wrong though - maybe he calls himself Tarzan because he feels like an English Lord lost in the jungle of that USA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 17 January, 2015, 03:46:35 pm
... I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory....

I'm with H on this, it's just not cricket is it?

That said, it's jolly exciting :thumbsup:

KEEP BLOODY PEDALLING STEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 17 January, 2015, 03:53:08 pm
That's the way with records though.  Even if You had to start on 1st Jan someone could come along the next year and ride one mile more.  Like winning the round the world race in x days and a couple of months later someone does it a little bit quicker. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 January, 2015, 04:19:18 pm
I'm with Hummers as well. It would be a different matter if it had been an impersonal and anonymous "here's a 1-year record and we at the UMCA offer it up for challenges". It wasn't like that: it was Steve's idea, possibly born from  a thread on this forum, he did all the hard work negotiating with the UMCA to formulate the rules, it's his ride. As soon as UMCA published a set of rules, a couple of others jumped on the bandwagon. Personally, I just don't believe the stuff on Kurt's website:

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When I first looked at this problem I thought  why would I be willing to give up a year of my life to do nothing but ride my bike.   Then I realized that most of the friends I have ride and I have met more people through riding than anything else I do. So instead of giving up a year of my life to ride - I am dedicating a year of my life to meeting new people, seeing new places and expanding what I believe life is.

In US parlance, that's just a bunch of bull.

I really hope that Steve, as he increases his daily mileage in the better weather, turns the screw on Tarzan and breaks his resolve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 17 January, 2015, 05:06:49 pm
It's also hard to believe his plan (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) Come on don't kid us! He's just looking at Steve's mileage every day and doing a few more.

I wonder if he knew anything about the year record before Steve 's bandwagon got going?

He is obviously a great athlete, serious contender, playing by the rules etc. and I wish him no ill, but it does leave a slightly bitter taste...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 17 January, 2015, 05:09:06 pm
When there is a long standing record it quite frequently happens that after it is broken there is a whole series of new records.  It is a demonstration of the power of belief.  Frequently it is the first record breaker that is remembered.  Who first ran a mile in under 4 minutes?   Who did it afterwards.  The former I can name.  The latter I have had to Google:   

Bannister's world record has been toppled 18 times, most recently by Hicham Eluerrouj, who ran 3:43.13 in 1999. Meanwhile, more than 400 American runners have broken the 4-minute barrier; 23 new U.S. athletes were added to the ranks just last year.


Steve is absolutely right to ride his own ride and leave others to do as they do.
L
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 January, 2015, 05:33:39 pm
To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA.
For me,  this is the big unknown. My knowledge of US climate is limited to just a few pockets of land.

Where will be the best riding conditions in July,  and how hot will it be?

I've been as far north as the Montana/Canada border in September and it was mid-twenties Celsius, but OTOH I've been in the same area at the same time in a different year and it was sub-zero and snowing.  Just about anywhere can get uncomfortably hot; 30+ Celsius.  I'd be tempted by the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado; it's at ~2300 metres and as flat as a recently-ironed pancake.  Or follow The Mississippi south ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 17 January, 2015, 05:43:12 pm
It's also hard to believe his plan (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) Come on don't kid us! He's just looking at Steve's mileage every day and doing a few more.

I wonder if he knew anything about the year record before Steve 's bandwagon got going?

He is obviously a great athlete, serious contender, playing by the rules etc. and I wish him no ill, but it does leave a slightly bitter taste...

If he stuck to that plan then he wouldn't beat Steve's mileage (IIRC Steve's planned to do more than 80K), so he's had to change it and hence the 'look at what Steve did and do a few more' approach. Not sure if that's what is happening, but it certainly looks that way.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 06:39:51 pm
"Doing a little bit more than the other guy" is a pretty sensible strategy. 

I am incredulous at some of the comments in this thread.  Steve has no more right to Tommy's record that anyone else.  If Steve was purely motivated to go beyond Tommy's distance, he could have done it without involving the UMCA.  Instead he chose to get a body involved to govern the record going forward and this has attracted the attention of people who ride more regularly on UMCA events.  Big deal - Steve's more than able to piss on Kurt's chips (or as the Sceptics might say, open up a can of whup ass on him).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 17 January, 2015, 06:52:29 pm
Pretty much everyone on this thread supports Steve, knows him to a greater or lesser extent and are willing him to do it. We know how long he's been planning it and how much it means to him and costing him.
Tarzans come along and threatening to do more miles than Steve.  But he's having a hugely easier time of it weather wise than steve.
Incredulous ?   Its not really surprising theres a level of partisan support for steve, but not to extent of disrespecting Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 17 January, 2015, 06:54:42 pm
There you go.  Wot e said. ^
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 17 January, 2015, 07:06:22 pm
Aye, +1 to SG37.......

Teethgrinder's our man, don't think anyone's disrespecting Tarzan - just comment, discussion and speculation.

I, for one, have been very supportive of Kurt on both facebook and Strava - but TG of this forum is my man!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: againsttheclock on 17 January, 2015, 07:23:07 pm
The whole premise of breaking a record like this is by doing a little more than the record holder. The bar is pretty freaking high - as someone posted on another thread, you have to ride almost all day, every day, just to get anywhere near it.

Steve is effectively doing what Tommy did...plus a bit. I don't have an issue with Tarzan doing the same. After all, the achievement is breaking records, not holding them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 17 January, 2015, 07:28:13 pm
Quite.  I think we're just favouring Teethgrinder because he's a member of the forum, as well as someone who many of us know personally, while Tarzan is effectively some faceless American.

I accept that having a crack at Tommy Godwin's record was Teethgrinder's idea, and he put in the effort getting the UMCA to agree a set of rules to adjudicate it under, which they then published.  If - to pick a random example - bikey-mikey or some other credible forumite had decided at that point that they fancied having a go at it too, we'd all be 100% behind them.  Even if they'd opted for a spring start and a journey to somewhere warm for the second half of the year (which would seem like an eminently sensible strategy).  Even if they did it on a funny-shaped bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 17 January, 2015, 07:37:25 pm
I'm with Hummers as well. It would be a different matter if it had been an impersonal and anonymous "here's a 1-year record and we at the UMCA offer it up for challenges". It wasn't like that: it was Steve's idea, possibly born from  a thread on this forum, he did all the hard work negotiating with the UMCA to formulate the rules, it's his ride. As soon as UMCA published a set of rules, a couple of others jumped on the bandwagon.

So we don't like it. Tough, so we deal with it. But the guy's doing nothing wrong, and has in no way interfered with what Steve is doing here, nor has he said or written anything at all to discredit TG, AFAIA. Publish a set of rules and you're going to entice interest. Anybody think this was easy thing to do!

What exactly does Steve own? Nothing whatsoever as far as I can see. Hard work, yes obviously, of course. But ownership to the ride? No way.

And the way he's handled it is the measure of the man, both on the C4 news interview and the stuff he's tweeted.
I doubt he'll be wasting too much mental energy worrying about what anybody else is doing anyhow, it's stress he can do without.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 17 January, 2015, 07:50:33 pm
There is also a female tribute ride to Billie Fleming taking place this year.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/billie-fleming-happy-100th-birthday-121964

http://www.scotoutdoors.com/features/cycling/year-long-tribute-ride-calls-on-female-cyclists

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 17 January, 2015, 07:51:36 pm
Quite.  I think we're just favouring Teethgrinder because he's a member of the forum, as well as someone who many of us know personally, while Tarzan is effectively some faceless American.

I accept that having a crack at Tommy Godwin's record was Teethgrinder's idea, and he put in the effort getting the UMCA to agree a set of rules to adjudicate it under, which they then published.  If - to pick a random example - bikey-mikey or some other credible forumite had decided at that point that they fancied having a go at it too, we'd all be 100% behind them.  Even if they'd opted for a spring start and a journey to somewhere warm for the second half of the year (which would seem like an eminently sensible strategy).  Even if they did it on a funny-shaped bike.
In all honesty I'd still be behind TG; he started this whole thing.

But that wouldn't make me a $new_rider  hater!!! This is sport - you can have a favourite without wishing ill of the other guy/gal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on 17 January, 2015, 08:50:05 pm
Steve is  showing form tonight.... Today  will be  220 Miles  at  least
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 17 January, 2015, 08:52:06 pm
We are not worthy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 January, 2015, 09:03:18 pm
Bruce Berkeley was supposed to be working his way up to the record.

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Berkeley, a former elite-level racer, has emerged as a ‘Strava celebrity’ for his monster mileage. The New Zealand native has already ridden more than 25,500km in 2014, consistently registering more than 1,100km a week and amassing nearly 900 hours in the saddle. Berkeley’s exploits have earned him more than 1,800 Strava followers and nearly 15,000 ‘kudos’.

Berkeley is undertaking the challenge on his regular training roads around south west London, Surrey and Berkshire from his base in Roehampton, Richmond.

The seven day distance record is expected to be the first in a series of future attempts on some of cycling’s long-standing distance records – the pinnacle of which is Tommy Godwin’s annual distance record of 75,065 miles (or 205 miles a day) set in 1939.


Read more at http://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/surrey-cyclist-starts-seven-day-distance-world-record-attempt.html#ATkloUf02FYXK2a8.99

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 January, 2015, 09:05:40 pm
An amazing guy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 17 January, 2015, 10:02:57 pm
From a comment on Strava under Tarzan's Friday ride it looks like he is already riding his 'bent for around 20 miles each day, presumably in preparation for longer stretches later on. I guess it also means he has motorised backup.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 17 January, 2015, 10:36:39 pm
Agreed on the motorised backup  -  a comment on Facebook about Thursday's ride:
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...had to stop early because me night bike was messed up while on the rack.

...and on yesterday's ride:
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3 Bike - 3 Flats
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 17 January, 2015, 10:48:27 pm
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10861098_10152966893967591_4338641178034036010_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 January, 2015, 10:51:08 pm
where is the "don't come a knockin while the van's a rockin" sticker?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 18 January, 2015, 12:33:05 am
Hasn't moved for 25 minutes. Just over 200 miles on the tracker
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 18 January, 2015, 12:36:30 am
Looks like Tarzan may have bedded down for the night at just over 200miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 18 January, 2015, 12:42:15 am
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.

although all within the rules, but it does look a bit unfair - perfect weather, flat terrain, selection of bikes, food at hand, moral support and no luggage to carry. totally different experience to what Steve is having here in uk.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 18 January, 2015, 01:24:52 am
Tarzans offical distance for today = 200.1
27 miles less than Steve and the first day that Steve has "beaten" him since he started.
I think this will be neck and neck for the rest of the year. Fascinating!!
Respect and huge chapeau to both.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 18 January, 2015, 01:59:42 am
One thing Kurt has to deal with that I really hope Steve doesn't encounter: Alligators by (or even on) the road. !!
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1563407523900955&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 09:44:16 am
A slower day yesterday (headwinds and traffic lights) but still 200 miles covered.

From FB

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Paid for yesterdays tailwinds with some headwinds today. The ride in Big Cypress National Park was great with Alicia Snyder have way to much fun playing with the Gators. There are way to many shopping malls in Southwest Florida - with stop lights in front of all of them.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on 18 January, 2015, 09:47:15 am

Big elevation too - 619ft.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 18 January, 2015, 11:37:25 am
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.

although all within the rules, but it does look a bit unfair - perfect weather, flat terrain, selection of bikes, food at hand, moral support and no luggage to carry. totally different experience to what Steve is having here in uk.

This is a world record, so you're allowed to do it anywhere in the world.  If you want good weather, go to where the good weather is!  French and Australian riders held the record before Godwin, so I don't see there's any moral capital to be gained from doing it in Britain.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 January, 2015, 12:23:56 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Is that right? That beating Godwin's record is not only his primary goal, but that he won't be bothered if having done so, he loses it again a week later?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 January, 2015, 12:26:31 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 18 January, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Jens Voigt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 18 January, 2015, 12:28:21 pm
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10861098_10152966893967591_4338641178034036010_o.jpg)

slipstreaming monkey
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 January, 2015, 12:29:54 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Jens Voigt
Of course! Though he doesn't have an obvious (more successful, less popular) rival. Possibly the very best example of attitude over achievement though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 18 January, 2015, 12:53:29 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 18 January, 2015, 01:14:13 pm
This video Link (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1563419467233094) shows how his crew chief tracks him during the day ,doesn't sound like she's trailing him .
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 01:32:35 pm
From a comment on Strava under Tarzan's Friday ride it looks like he is already riding his 'bent for around 20 miles each day, presumably in preparation for longer stretches later on. I guess it also means he has motorised backup.

So I see (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1561239457451095&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater)!
Doesn't look as though he's had a lot of experience on one either.
Look at that road !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 01:36:25 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 01:41:44 pm
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Aye to that!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 January, 2015, 01:49:25 pm
I used to motorpace quite a bit when I raced on the track. Looking at the back of a vehicle isn't that much of a hardship.

A UMCA bloke (Secrest?) broke Oppy's 24hr motorpaced record (set behind a motorbike on a velodrome) by sitting behind a HGV on a motor racing circuit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 01:56:06 pm
I used to motorpace quite a bit when I raced on the track. Looking at the back of a vehicle isn't that much of a hardship.

A UMCA bloke (Secrest?) broke Oppy's 24hr motorpaced record (set behind a motorbike on a velodrome) by sitting behind a HGV on a motor racing circuit.

I was thinking more in terms of not being able to see other road users ahead - traffic looking to turn in or out at junctions, hazards & traffic lights etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 01:57:39 pm
Riding behind a van on a road with other traffic is a lot different to riding behind a motorbike on a track (I used to train with Ralph Diggs at Halesowen many years ago)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 January, 2015, 01:57:43 pm
That is the job of the driver. A tap of the horn to signal to the rider that something might develop.

I raced on the track and motorpaced behind my coach's car on the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2015, 01:58:37 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Is that right? That beating Godwin's record is not only his primary goal, but that he won't be bothered if having done so, he loses it again a week later?

Actually, I don't think Steve would be remotely bothered if he held the record only for a short time. From a psychological point of view, I try to put myself in Steve's position and I don't think I would either. I would take a lot of satisfaction that, firstly, I had broken the record and secondly, that my spadework had motivated an even stronger cyclist to have a crack at the record, and that a set of rules had become established by which future attempts could be made.

What would piss me off greatly is if I had beaten Tommy only to find that some other guy, albeit a monster cyclist himself, had used my ride as a pacemaker, accelerating in the last couple of weeks of 2015, and thereby depriving me of the record. I'm pretty sure Steve is a better person than I am so he may not be bothered by this.

Many moons ago, there was a long distance runner by the name of Dave Bedford. (*googles*). Thought so. 10,000 metres was his speciality and he held the World Record. His big trouble was that he had no sprint finish and all the other buggers used him as a pacemaker, leaving him well behind in the final lap. If he set a fast enough pace, he could break lesser athletes on the way round but it didn't happen in the big events.

Obviously, Tarzan is not there physically, riding just at Steve's right shoulder, but it does give a similar impression. Within the rules, of course, but when we support Sportsman A in favour of Sportsman B, it's not normally their exploits in the sport itself which attracts us to them because they are often very hard to separate (I can't remember which cricketer/commentator coined the phrase about the world's best batsman at any one time: "You can't normally separate the top six"). It's usually something else.

Edit: I have a suspicion that if Tommy were here to ask, he would be disappointed that no-one had had a crack until now. It was a lovely touch that his children sent Steve such an encouraging message.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 18 January, 2015, 02:03:19 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches. That video link upthread seems to be about the support van finding Kurt rather than pacing him as such.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 02:17:47 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches.

Jan Ullrich tells a story about that, ISTM. Although wasn't that because his team car had to brake unexpectedly?

That video link upthread seems to be about the support van finding Kurt rather than pacing him as such.

Bringing us back to the subject of the thread.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 18 January, 2015, 02:27:38 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Lol sorry... Couldn't resist the joke, I'm like Chicken as Nadler in the episode of. Friends when he is challenged not to be sarcastic fora day..... impossible ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 18 January, 2015, 02:31:21 pm
How did autocorrect get from Chandler to Chicken as Nadler? Or was that deliberate?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 18 January, 2015, 02:36:17 pm
How did autocorrect get from Chandler to Chicken as Nadler? Or was that deliberate?
LMAO... DAMN YOU AUTO CORRECT....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 02:38:15 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Lol sorry... Couldn't resist the joke, I'm like Chicken as Nadler in the episode of. Friends when he is challenged not to be sarcastic fora day..... impossible ;D

Hey, no problem, no bad feeling. I just slapped the first bad interpretation on it I could find.
History has taught me not to get 'drawn into the internet' !
For the most part I do ok these days, but not always   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on 18 January, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 18 January, 2015, 02:56:59 pm

What would piss me off greatly is if I had beaten Tommy only to find that some other guy, albeit a monster cyclist himself, had used my ride as a pacemaker, accelerating in the last couple of weeks of 2015, and thereby depriving me of the record. I'm pretty sure Steve is a better person than I am so he may not be bothered by this.

Surely the main pacemaker for both of them is Tommy.  75,000 into 365 gives you 205 - miles a day. Everyday. That's the benchmark. That's what they both have to do, or an average of, over the duration to beat the record. You make it sound like Kurt has the advantage [certainly does as regards weather at the moment, that's for sure], and all he has to do is do a little more than TG each day, using him as a pacemaker, only to career past him at the end to take all the glory. However you do it, whoever you may be watching on the other side of the water riding as well, regardless of what they do, you still have to do ALL the miles yourself. And it's a lot of 'em. And you have no way of knowing if you're going to be able to ride every day for a year. On that front, you need a good dose of fortune too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 18 January, 2015, 03:02:08 pm
I wonder if Steve, if given the opportunity, would he be over in Florida right now with it's weather and flatlands? I'd say yes.

Primary objective is to do the most amount of miles - end of. Comparing miles with x amount of feet, motorpacing and everything is just sour grapes imo.

For the record I think Steve will do it. Once the Summer months hit I can easily see him cranking out 300-320 miles and I cannot see Kurt keeping up.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 January, 2015, 03:04:44 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches.

Jan Ullrich tells a story about that, ISTM. Although wasn't that because his team car had to brake unexpectedly?

Opinions vary.  The one I heard was that Ullrich had spotted a CAIK on the back seat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 03:29:35 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 03:33:16 pm
Relying on a support vehicle comes with its own risks.  It's absolutely an advantage in this race whilst it is working smoothly, as Kurt basically just needs to pedal and eat.  But if his relationship with his partner breaks due to the strain of the challenge (and fingers crossed it doesn't) then he will be stranded and his challenge will come to an end.  Takes a great deal of faith in the strength of a relationship to put that much trust in another.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 03:36:50 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 

Exactly, it's a support vehicle not a pacing vehicle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 18 January, 2015, 03:41:27 pm
A quote from Chris Hopkinson on Strava (https://www.strava.com/activities/241994242=)
Quote
Don't agree neccessarily Christian. Both attempts have different challenges that overall equal themselves out. Take that from the Brit that has raced more in the States than any other ever! Weather worse here at the mo 1 day ago
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 18 January, 2015, 04:24:56 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 

Exactly, it's a support vehicle not a pacing vehicle.


Also Steve had a following car for the end of yesterday's ride (ok Hoppo brought his own :))
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10941505_725807147526550_7901709525537509716_n.jpg?oh=7692de13049e9bc3437ecbce321e64f7&oe=556B430A&__gda__=1433122994_5d4a9aee3c983fa1e62b699e42dbf52d)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Lars on 18 January, 2015, 04:28:17 pm
Regarding Kurt being a top ten RAAM finisher. How might a very strong Audaxer like Steve do in a race like that?

As far as I've read Steve doesn't race a lot. Good results in 24h British TTs, but a bit off the very top finishers. But
with the ability to crank out long steady rides consistently with what seems like amazingly little rest.

Would Steve be mid-field finisher in RAAM if he'd choose to enter and get a good support team? Just curious since
know very little about ultra racing and the people who tend to excel in them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 18 January, 2015, 04:54:32 pm
slipstreaming monkey
Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat.
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No disrespect intended ... it was a joke..... I'll fetch my coat ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 18 January, 2015, 05:01:56 pm
slipstreaming monkey
Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat.
No disrespect intended ... it was a joke..... I'll fetch my coat ::-)
Dont' worry - when I read it I guffawed.

Then I read the enraged replies, and started to doubt my interpretation ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 05:03:35 pm
Slipstreaming monkey  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2015, 05:11:32 pm
Regarding Kurt being a top ten RAAM finisher. How might a very strong Audaxer like Steve do in a race like that?

As far as I've read Steve doesn't race a lot. Good results in 24h British TTs, but a bit off the very top finishers. But
with the ability to crank out long steady rides consistently with what seems like amazingly little rest.

Would Steve be mid-field finisher in RAAM if he'd choose to enter and get a good support team? Just curious since
know very little about ultra racing and the people who tend to excel in them.

Steve has talked/written about the temptation to do RAAM, but I think that finances and time have always prevented him. I think there's no way of knowing how he would get on. He has ridden in the US, in very hot weather, which I believe is always likely to be a problem with that race, but as a tourist.

@LMT: I wouldn't want to predict at this early stage what will happen. I would say that, of all the cyclists I have ever met, if I were to pick one to beat Tommy it would be Steve.

In sporting parlance, commentators and punters talk about "wanting it more". As Steve said in his C4 interview, he's thought about this since he was 15 and he was "scared" of it. He wants it and has done so for a quarter of a century. I think Kurt has thought about it for about 2 months. Notwithstanding their relative strengths and abilities as cyclists, I reckon that attitude counts for a lot. I think it also fits in well with the type of cyclist Steve is: he's very good at setting himself a long goal and working towards that. I have no idea whether such a long-term goal will fit in well with Kurt's normal approach to cycling. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 05:47:04 pm
For all we know, Kurt could have a scrapbook wherein he has logged his meticulous progress towards Tommy's record. 

Just about everything on this forum about him is speculation and supposition.  He's an unknown quantity to us mere mortals.  Steve is, however, lucky that he will have some insight from Hoppo, who will have raced Tarzan in the States.  That will be useful intel for Steve.

As things stand, Kurt is consistently riding further than Steve (given the terrain and climate difference this is hardly a surprise).  It's an unfortunate fact which will hopefully turn come the summer.  I believe Steve's team anticipated this would be the case, so it wouldn't surpise me if Hoppo's intel is along the lines of "don't worry, he will struggle to maintain more than x miles a day for extended periods, you'll claw those back".  Fingers crossed that's how it pans out.

The other thing that will be interesting is whether Kurt will effectively lose days when he transitions from one location to another.  The States is huge, particularly if driving.  I'm guessing he'll ride to the start of races, but he won't have as much daily control of the route he takes or where he stops.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 January, 2015, 05:52:44 pm
Kurt and Steve exchanged various emails before the attempt started. Steve knows enough about him. Kurt was always going to be quicker from the gun.

By the way, there is no UMCA prohibition against drafting for this record. Kurt could spend weeks riding behind his motorhome, a motorbike or a HGV, provided the local police don't notice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 06:31:07 pm
You can draft behind a non cyclist?  That seems a bit lax, but what do I know, I'm not an ultra racer. Given the aerodynamic advantage that would give, would make a mockery of the record.  I'd struggle to applaud a record set with that assistance.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 07:05:11 pm
Kurt and Steve exchanged various emails before the attempt started. Steve knows enough about him. Kurt was always going to be quicker from the gun.

By the way, there is no UMCA prohibition against drafting for this record. Kurt could spend weeks riding behind his motorhome, a motorbike or a HGV, provided the local police don't notice.

Surely drafting refers to other cyclists who may be accompanying on parts of the ride as opposed to motor pacing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 January, 2015, 07:05:43 pm
No update for two hours from Tarzan - either he's having a short day or the tracker's gone spoooey.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 07:08:29 pm
I can see 115.92 miles @ 07:00:38pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 January, 2015, 07:12:48 pm
So can I now ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 07:15:36 pm
Steve's seems to have thrown a wobbly tho' - last data 6.45
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2015, 07:27:53 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Interesting. His record wouldn't be "wiped out" - it would still be on the record books, but just as one that has been beaten since.

When someone sets a new record, surely it's the past he's competing against, not the future.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 January, 2015, 07:49:24 pm
If Kurt gets past 75,065 before Steve, he'll take Tommy's record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on 18 January, 2015, 09:04:54 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Interesting. His record wouldn't be "wiped out" - it would still be on the record books, but just as one that has been beaten since.

When someone sets a new record, surely it's the past he's competing against, not the future.

Some truth in that, although Steve's schedule - from the website - is interesting.

It's either 82,835 miles or 87,129 miles.

What it is not is, say, one mile more than Tommy or 10 miles or 100 miles.

Steve has simply asked himself the question: "How far could I cycle in one year?"

Maybe reaching one of those targets would satisfy him, irrespective of what the American does.


Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2015, 09:33:24 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 18 January, 2015, 09:56:22 pm
Is Tarzan lost?  His route is like a drunken sailor playing pin the tail on the donkey.  Can't imagine it is very efficient; towns in America usually have stacks of traffic lights.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 18 January, 2015, 10:02:51 pm
I thought he was only doing 100 miles on Sundays?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 10:04:47 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!
 

Are you Alf Engers in disguise?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 January, 2015, 10:07:56 pm
*googles*

In reverse, more like.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on 18 January, 2015, 10:09:29 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!

Just goes to show there's good stories somewhere in even the most unpromising topics.

I now have a nightmare vision of steroid crazed carp getting ever bigger.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 18 January, 2015, 10:13:53 pm
*googles*

In reverse, more like.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 02:20:37 am
Another tenuous claim to fame - I know one of the previous carp record holders, but as two of them are called "Terry" I can't say exactly which one ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 January, 2015, 05:42:33 am
From my experience, a disproportionatley large number of anglers are called Terry.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 19 January, 2015, 07:20:59 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 January, 2015, 07:29:54 am
From my experience, a disproportionatley large number of anglers are called Terry.

This is because at birth, their fathers landed them with a piece of Terry toweling.

The MOST rotten tomato TV sit-com ever made was ‘Eh, Brian, it’s a whopper’ by ITV in Birmingham.
There wasn’t a Terry in it, that’s why.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 January, 2015, 07:42:00 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.

Considering the terrian they're riding, ( The last column being 'elev gain', I presume ) Steve has given more energy.
That's where Steve wins for me.

My simple calcs say Kurt has done 1/7th of a percent uphill, and Steve 1/2 of a percent uphill.

In the 'Cals burned' stakes, Steve is almost 2% ahead.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 19 January, 2015, 08:00:58 am
He must have hammered it yesterday, even with drafting that's fast. From his faceache page.
Had great fun with riders from tour de cape coral.  Picked up the fast group and we did the 100 in around 4:30.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 19 January, 2015, 09:33:07 am
I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson
I'm surprised fishing was allowed in the zoo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 19 January, 2015, 10:01:48 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 19 January, 2015, 11:11:58 am
This appeared in my fb stream today

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1601600_784748691580117_5229850850872384281_n.jpg?oh=c3c99e06803e3bb8e2a9c8a778c80a6e&oe=552E6194)

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 19 January, 2015, 11:59:08 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.

Considering the terrian they're riding, ( The last column being 'elev gain', I presume ) Steve has given more energy.
That's where Steve wins for me.

My simple calcs say Kurt has done 1/7th of a percent uphill, and Steve 1/2 of a percent uphill.

In the 'Cals burned' stakes, Steve is almost 2% ahead.

The difference in climbing is very telling.... Steve is working a lot harder... respect.

will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 January, 2015, 12:14:09 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

There's a point at which there's a split between the expert and lay audience, but the rules for this event were known from the outset.

How opinion divides if the approaches of Steve and Kurt diverge is an interesting part of this.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 January, 2015, 12:19:29 pm
So when Steve is sticking to the flat, and Kurt has to go over some lumps on his races, will we be insinuating Steve is having it easy?

Or when Steve is cruising in temperatures of 20C and Kurt is melting in 40C?

Somehow I doubt it. 

A lot of this "oh, Steve is so much more worthy of this than Kurt" is silly.  Steve and Kurt each have their own challenges to overcome.  Steve is at a disadvantage now, but it won't be so all year. 

That Steve is keeping within touching distance whilst he has those disadvantages is the difference between the two; the test for Kurt will be what he is able to respond with when the tables turn.  Personally I think he won't be up for it, and Steve will set a consistent standard that Kurt will find difficult to match come April.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 January, 2015, 12:34:02 pm
Looking at Jo's OYTT plot, I wonder if Kurt's strategy isn't simply "ride more every day than Steve".  But is also to try and keep pace with Tommy's average record pace for as long as possible (i.e. have that as a "floor" on his daily distances). 

Another sensible strategy, given he is likely to be riding in conditions that support that kind of mileage (unlike UK based attempts, where you are more likely to fall behind that average pace in winter, or during the Blitz  :) ).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 19 January, 2015, 12:42:42 pm
or during the Blitz  :) ).

LMAo

good luck to all three of them, I certainly would not attempt it... well... not without a hidden electric motor
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 January, 2015, 12:53:36 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 19 January, 2015, 01:19:31 pm
Kurt appears to have a big competitive streak looking at his 4:30 for the 100 yesterday riding in the fast group , I wonder if this could be his undoing later in the year seeing has he's planning on some races ,it could also be that he's banking miles now to allow recovery after the events ?

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 01:34:48 pm
will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome

I know a chap who set the HPV 24 hour record on a 250m velodrome.  He said it nearly drove him mad.

Subsequent attempts by other riders have been on larger outdoor ovals.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 January, 2015, 01:42:57 pm
There is nothing in the UMCA rules to forbid using a track, but I anticipate they would amend the rules to forbid this if an individual came forward with this suggestion.  Or introduce a separate category.

That said, as the route requires a GPX tracklog, they'd need to use a device that tracks satellites sufficient accurately indoors - I doubt this is currently available technology, so currently "theoretical".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 January, 2015, 01:47:05 pm
There is plenty of driverless equipment (dump trucks, etc) being driven around minesites courtesy of landbased GPS. You don't need satellites.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 January, 2015, 01:47:42 pm
Kurt appears to have a big competitive streak looking at his 4:30 for the 100 yesterday riding in the fast group , I wonder if this could be his undoing later in the year seeing has he's planning on some races ,it could also be that he's banking miles now to allow recovery after the events ?

Paul

23mph isn't fast for a group on the flat, especially sitting in. It's conversational speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 January, 2015, 01:51:36 pm
There is plenty of driverless equipment (dump trucks, etc) being driven around minesites courtesy of landbased GPS. You don't need satellites.

Didn't realise that.  I suppose there is also the possibility of setting up sensors that confirms when you go through points on the track and records them (i.e. you don't need GPS).

Ban this sick filth  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 19 January, 2015, 02:16:22 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

Guy martin retreats to his workshop to build a recumbrant fitted with a teasmaid and a potty and books Silverston for the year to go for the record in 2016.

There's already rumblings on an Australian site about riders going for this next year when ever they want to start, Steve should be proud for kickstarting this whole bit of history back to life  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 02:20:31 pm
I imagine it might be possible in USAnia to borrow an oval race track for prolonged periods but elsewhere big ovals are in use nearly all the time, or at least during the working week.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 January, 2015, 02:39:05 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

Guy martin retreats to his workshop to build a recumbrant fitted with a teasmaid and a potty and books Silverston for the year to go for the record in 2016.



After a couple of days they realise it's impossible. So they put air tanks in the recumbent and go for the Human Powered Submarine Speed Record. Or has he done that? I lose track.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 03:26:04 pm
To the best of my knowledge no-one's done a Human-Powered Submarine record for more than 200 metres.  The whole sub thing has become somewhat moribund of late but I've heard the odd rumour.  It wouldn't surprise me if the lads from Toronto had a go after lifting the Sikorsky prize for HP Helichoptering.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 January, 2015, 04:40:09 pm
all very intetesting, but not sure what it has to do with Tarzan's escapades....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 19 January, 2015, 04:43:35 pm
all very intetesting, but not sure what it has to do with Tarzan's escapades....

Perhaps folk got bored with his straight lines.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 19 January, 2015, 05:37:46 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.
A nice idea. I guess it would be down to UMCA to agree.

Or we could crowdsource flights to Florida for Steve in December.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 19 January, 2015, 05:59:39 pm
will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome

I know a chap who set the HPV 24 hour record on a 250m velodrome.  He said it nearly drove him mad.

Subsequent attempts by other riders have been on larger outdoor ovals.

I've done a few 24hour speed skating races, on a 400m track. It was not only psychologically maddening, my hip would completely seize up due to the cornering pressure.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 January, 2015, 08:03:46 pm
'The blitz' didn't start until 1940. I remember it well. It was my grandfather's 46th birthday. As he kept telling us, he got to work on the 8th September to hear London had been bombed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 09:11:16 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.

The Department for Sneaky Bastardry says:

"Steve should fit his tracker with a tinfoil hat and wait until the last minute before uploading the GPS data to Strava."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ashaman42 on 19 January, 2015, 09:55:15 pm
But does he not have to have the tracker reporting so that UMCA can, if they choose to, send someone to take a look at what he's doing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 January, 2015, 10:01:09 pm
Oh!  It must have fallen off in that caff...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 19 January, 2015, 10:57:43 pm
The UMCA could rule that future tracks should be sent to them, and a 10 day time lag imposed before they were published. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 19 January, 2015, 11:07:39 pm
So you're all willing to wait  for 10 days until Steve's distance is published? Sod that.

There may be a time when being the 'pacer' is an advantage, a year's a long time and there's still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 January, 2015, 12:13:17 am
So you're all willing to wait  for 10 days until Steve's distance is published? Sod that.

There may be a time when being the 'pacer' is an advantage, a year's a long time and there's still a long way to go.

I'd be happy enough with a weekly update on Steve's progress in the Comic, with Tarzan only having access to it by surface mail. I wouldn't buy it though, I'd just sneak a peek in John Menzies.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 20 January, 2015, 07:10:35 pm
Did I read it right on his website somewhere that he's been trying out an unfaired carbon recumbent for use later on ... ?

Perfectly Okay in HAMR rules - but it'd be nice to see 2 guys duking it out on normal bikes - leave the recumbents for next years HAMR racers ......
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 20 January, 2015, 09:46:26 pm
Did I read it right on his website somewhere that he's been trying out an unfaired carbon recumbent for use later on ... ?

Perfectly Okay in HAMR rules - but it'd be nice to see 2 guys duking it out on normal bikes - leave the recumbents for next years HAMR racers ......

Why would someone want to ride a 'normal bike' when their objective is to cover the most amount of miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 January, 2015, 10:13:21 pm
I wonder whether there was any rules regarding the Dark Side in 1939?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 January, 2015, 10:25:31 pm
As we've noted before, recumbents were around then.
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/new-cycle-issue-title-dips-into-comedy
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 20 January, 2015, 10:29:07 pm
Aye, my dad had one

(http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/triang-pedal-car.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 20 January, 2015, 10:36:19 pm
I spotted Tarzan asking for a beer in his Day10 video - not sure if he was just trying to wind up the UMCA bods.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 20 January, 2015, 10:49:31 pm
Looks like Tarzan might be going for a big one tonight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 21 January, 2015, 01:49:53 am
Kurts ride has just appeared on Strava. He "only" managed 178 miles today. 4000ft less  climbing than Steve and in significantly warmer temps. Is Tarzan cracking?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 January, 2015, 02:43:45 am
Or reacting to Steve's "short" day yesterday?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 21 January, 2015, 05:34:32 am
From FB he had a bad day today with flats, a crash, and bad drivers. Good mileage all considering. Better luck tomorrow
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 January, 2015, 07:25:45 am
Or reacting to Steve's "short" day yesterday?

Trackstanding by their standards
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 21 January, 2015, 08:00:49 am
If its pure mileage the guy’s after, he could sleep in a coach during the night which is taking him back up to the top of the Rockies.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 21 January, 2015, 08:20:07 am
From FB he had a bad day today with flats, a crash, and bad drivers. Good mileage all considering. Better luck tomorrow

Yeah, a day of multiple misfortune.  I wasn't sure if the reference to running off the road was something drivers had done, or if he'd just skipped off the edge of a poorly maintained road surface.  I hope it's not the former.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 January, 2015, 08:23:39 am
I took from his messages it was the former.  I'm hoping he is well and shakes off the bad vibe it is bound to have come with.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 21 January, 2015, 08:57:10 am
I confess when I read the posts about how Steve has it so much harder, I thought of (1) Mercan driving/drivers and the roads Kurt is on (2) Florida rain. I still think Steve has the tougher cycle, but each will have their challenges. I just wish them both a safe year cycling.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 21 January, 2015, 09:29:07 am
I confess when I read the posts about how Steve has it so much harder, I thought of (1) Mercan driving/drivers and the roads Kurt is on (2) Florida rain. I still think Steve has the tougher cycle, but each will have their challenges. I just wish them both a safe year cycling.

This, in spades.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 21 January, 2015, 10:45:54 am
+1
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 21 January, 2015, 11:34:30 am
I made a comment on Kurt's strava page some days ago (when he was being knocked by some Brits and the whole comments thing was turning into a anglo-American slanging match) that 75,000 miles is 75,000 miles and 365 days is a long time, anything can happen. It's a tough undertaking and each rider has their own challenge regardless of which side of the Atlantic they're on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 21 January, 2015, 11:37:08 am
There will always be a ‘rivalry element’. The Ryder cup was supposed to be a friendly golf match.

As long as we don’t tax him on the tea he’s drinking.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 21 January, 2015, 11:48:14 am
;D

Rivalry is fine as long as it's friendly and in good spirit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2015, 11:55:47 am
I'm wondering if Tarzan might be missing a trick.

Each to his own, and all that, but on the assumption (entirely mine) that he won't get any better cycling weather all year than he's getting in Florida in January, then he ought to be aiming to keep above the "Tommy Line" of 206 mpd. Maybe he's so 'ard that US summers don't worry him - again, assuming he stays in the US.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 21 January, 2015, 12:03:27 pm
I'd imagine he will want to build into it a bit otherwise he runs the risk of burning himself out. Don't forget he will have another warm winter to finish which he might really attack if he needs the miles late on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 21 January, 2015, 12:26:42 pm
You make it sound so easy Wowbagger.  He's already exceeding his schedule, but was expecting to go for longer/faster in the summer.

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Everything in the plan is just an estimate since much will depend on the weather and where I can start and stop each day.   My goal is to start out riding 10 hours a day the first week on my long rides and then add 10 minutes to the time ridden each week as I get more daylight and better weather.   I plan to increase my time on the bike to 14-15 hours during the summer and then taper it back down to about 10 hours a day by the end of 2015.    My speed goal for riding is to start out riding my long days at about 17 mph which, for me, is actually a little slow.   As my fitness improves, my average speed will get better and by mid year I should be riding at around 20 mph or better and should be able to hold that fitness level for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 21 January, 2015, 12:37:54 pm
I half agree with Wow, but the length of daylight must be a big factor. It is much easier MENTALLY to get out in daylight (plus there are safety issues - gotta spot those gators!)

The post-mortems on the strategies will keep us busy for another 60 years!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 21 January, 2015, 01:03:31 pm
There will always be a ‘rivalry element’. The Ryder cup was supposed to be a friendly golf match.

As long as we don’t tax him on the tea he’s drinking.  ;)
Has anyone approached The tea people for support for TG, they seemed to like cycling last year.  :thumbsup:

Watching the videos of Kurt is obvious his main support is his wife, who is tracking him daily at the moment. she's going to have to be as mentally strong as he is to cope with that for a full year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 21 January, 2015, 01:06:54 pm
He had a paid crew chief, rather than his wife following him. Has that changed?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 21 January, 2015, 01:16:02 pm
I feel sorry for Kurt, but I think he could help Steve to get to a bigger distance than he otherwise would.  One which may not leave much left to go for to get the 100,000 mile record.

We all know that long distance cycling is a mental thing rather than a physical thing.  Steve has thought about this for 25 years.  There's no way he is not going to give it all he has to get the record.  And we all know that he is capable of riding very long days, for many days in succession. 

If Kurt's strategy is to try and ride a couple of miles more than Steve every day, as the weather here improves, he is going to find that it will start to get very big on him.  We know that Steve will ride very long hours in the spring and summer, and will continue to do so into the autumn.  Kurt is going to have to ride longer days to stay ahead.  But, as he does that, his average speed is going to come tumbling down, so he won't just have to ride a bit longer, it will be a lot longer.  Then, one day, he won't be able to beat Steve's mileage.  He'll give it a big shove the next day, and get back, maybe using his recombent.  But Steve will keep on grinding, and it will happen again.  And then Kurt won't be able to respond.  Then Kurt will be in very difficult place psychologically and may well have to give up. 

That's how I see it playing out.  Of course, I don't know anything at all about Kurt.  If he is able to match Steve when he starts cranking out the 20-hour days, 24-hour days or even 36-hour days, as he may well do in the Summer, then he will truly have earned his record.  But I fear that Kurt cannot quite know what is going to hit him!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 January, 2015, 01:17:18 pm
I don't think I remember ever reading he had a paid crew.  From 10 January, it has been his partner (not sure it is his wife, I remember reading that he met her a couple of years ago on RAAM or somesuch.  Might be wrong though).

His FB page is showing the road rash etc he picked up from yesterday's tumbles.  Looks raw.  Hope they don't slow him down or affect his mindset.  Although given his pedigree, I'm sure they won't.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 21 January, 2015, 02:32:13 pm
From Kurt's website:
The crew consists of my full time crew chief Alicia Snyder and all of the volunteers that have provided help with routes, places to stay, bike services. If you would like to donate, support, partner or ride with Kurt please Contact us - we would love to have you on board!

Is that his wife/ partner?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 21 January, 2015, 02:36:37 pm
I had assumed it was. They're going to be seeing a lot of each other this year!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 21 January, 2015, 02:41:51 pm
I thought his wife's name was Trish but I've been wrong plenty of times before.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on 21 January, 2015, 02:47:08 pm
This blog entry (http://tarzan-rides.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/back-in-saddle.html) hints that it's more than a purely professional relationship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 21 January, 2015, 02:49:53 pm
<...>If he is able to match Steve when he starts cranking out the 20-hour days, 24-hour days or even 36-hour days, as he may well do in the Summer, then he will truly have earned his record.  But I fear that Kurt cannot quite know what is going to hit him!

as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum. watch out when he really gets going! trans-siberian express vs tgv :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 21 January, 2015, 02:51:20 pm
The name Trisha is mentioned in his RAAM 2012 profile.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 January, 2015, 02:53:09 pm
From Kurt's website:
The crew consists of my full time crew chief Alicia Snyder and all of the volunteers that have provided help with routes, places to stay, bike services. If you would like to donate, support, partner or ride with Kurt please Contact us - we would love to have you on board!

Is that his wife/ partner?

It looks like I'm misremembering.  Annoyingly I can't find the article where it came up.

<EDIT: Yeah, I'm wrong.  Married to Trish.  His crew are hired. Assuming Trish's Facebook is up to date, which it looks to be. Not that I'm stalking  :facepalm: >
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2015, 05:06:20 pm
You make it sound so easy Wowbagger.  He's already exceeding his schedule, but was expecting to go for longer/faster in the summer.

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Everything in the plan is just an estimate since much will depend on the weather and where I can start and stop each day.   My goal is to start out riding 10 hours a day the first week on my long rides and then add 10 minutes to the time ridden each week as I get more daylight and better weather.   I plan to increase my time on the bike to 14-15 hours during the summer and then taper it back down to about 10 hours a day by the end of 2015.    My speed goal for riding is to start out riding my long days at about 17 mph which, for me, is actually a little slow.   As my fitness improves, my average speed will get better and by mid year I should be riding at around 20 mph or better and should be able to hold that fitness level for the rest of the year.

Everything's easy from a swivel chair in front of a computer in a centrally heated house.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 21 January, 2015, 05:37:20 pm
Kurt appears to be on the Van Fleet trail (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.53085,-81.9556139,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sF8MwgVqXxpEAAAQfCNIHfA!2e0!3e11) at the moment , zero motor vehicles and arrow straight  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 21 January, 2015, 06:24:57 pm
This sounds like Tarzan has been to Steve's gaff:

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...and taking a month long vacation to study alternate building methods for constructing harmonious living spaces at Earthship Academy.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 January, 2015, 07:02:32 pm
Kurt appears to be on the Van Fleet trail (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.53085,-81.9556139,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sF8MwgVqXxpEAAAQfCNIHfA!2e0!3e11) at the moment , zero motor vehicles and arrow straight  :o

What a beautiful strip of tarmac.  Lucky man.  Although I am going to guess it looks like that for most of its length.

From the video his support team put on Facebook, many of his routes are based on a cycle touring map issued by Miami state.  So I suspect it is riddled with lovely settings.  Couldn't be doing it myself, as it is too flat.  I find riding in the flat harder that in lumps, as you have to keep pedalling (rather than freewheeling down a slope).  Even the routes Steve is doing would do my napper in.  Horses for courses, I s'pose.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 21 January, 2015, 07:10:05 pm
as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum

Not ridiculous at all. And I believe that Steve holds the same opinion.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 21 January, 2015, 07:15:50 pm
as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum

Not ridiculous at all. And I believe that Steve holds the same opinion.

If Steve holds the same riding "pattern" for a few more weeks, he will be wonderfully conditioned by the time the weather improves. He will then find it much easier to up the ante without getting overly tired.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 January, 2015, 07:47:17 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2015, 07:52:18 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 21 January, 2015, 08:06:47 pm
What he said.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 21 January, 2015, 08:31:32 pm
"The gentler gamester is the soonest winner."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 21 January, 2015, 08:58:13 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.

Very well said. Something for the Librarian?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 21 January, 2015, 09:09:57 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 21 January, 2015, 09:13:57 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.

A privilege indeed.

One thought that keeps popping into my head is how the internet has made this sort of niche-obsessive sport following possible at all. I think it's no co-incidence that this record went unchallenged for 80 year and then three come along at once. They are products of their time. This sort of challenge is hard enough, without attempting it in a total media/social void.

Back in the early 20th century, before television, the weekly or daily press were the normal means of sport reporting. Multiday endurance races suited this format well, with PBP and annual records both being (in a way) the pinnacle of cycling achievement around then. Mobile radio broadcasting and then television made stage racing more exciting to follow, and displaced those endurance races. The "single channel" media only supported mass, not niche, entertainment, and so endurance racing fell by the wayside.

Now, with minute by minute tracking and "civilian reporting" available via the internet, the longer endurance races can gain a following once more. Each in their own way, the various round the world record attempts, transcontinental races, Strava monthly challenges, and now HAM'R seem to fit into this trend.

If this doesn't convince you, I'll throw in one more thought: Steve himself was not a man of the internet until he attempted the AUK points record. He found the entirely self-supported long miles socially isolating, especially by end of summer, and if I recall correctly cited joining yacf as a big help in seeing it through to the end.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew_s on 21 January, 2015, 09:19:58 pm
I see Kurt is heading for the city of Frostproof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostproof,_Florida).
Rubbing it in, or what  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 21 January, 2015, 09:20:19 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 21 January, 2015, 09:24:10 pm
If this doesn't convince you, I'll throw in one more thought: Steve himself was not a man of the internet until he attempted the AUK points record. He found the entirely self-supported long miles socially isolating, especially by end of summer, and if I recall correctly cited joining yacf as a big help in seeing it through to the end.

Yes, I was thinking the very same thing today.

We all know the difference in what it feels like to be part of a support network and when we're not. I think it's a huge thing that he knows he's connected, really connected to other people in this, practically and psychologically. I think it will give him a lot of spiritual strength over the coming year, if it hasn't done already.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Euan Uzami on 21 January, 2015, 09:39:39 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.

It could be that if Kurt isn't at least x miles ahead by sometime in March/April then he's doomed.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 21 January, 2015, 09:51:03 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.

It could be that if Kurt isn't at least x miles ahead by sometime in March/April then he's doomed.

Ahem.

It is only the 21st of January.

There is some time to go before the end and anything can happen.

Calm yourselves.

H

P.S.

COME ON STEVE
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 January, 2015, 10:28:04 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.

That would work if they were riding the same course. It was fine for the first London Marathon where, presumably, the athletes knew each other, but it would be much too contrived when they are thousands of miles apart and are incommunicado for about 90% of the time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 21 January, 2015, 10:35:49 pm
At a conservative estimate I think there is about a 0.25% error in the GPS data for distances. So with an 80,000 mile record, that would mean anything within about 200 miles by the end of the year is effectively a dead heat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 January, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Ford tried to arrange a tie at Le Mans in 1966.  That didn't work out either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 21 January, 2015, 10:41:09 pm
He's stopped underneath the Golden Arches at Frostproof
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 21 January, 2015, 10:59:26 pm
Wot Hummers sed.

I think each rider needs to stick to his own schedule and not worry what the other is doing. Both riders have their plans and deviating from the schedule to chase the other rider could be counter-productive. Besides, even if one is 1000 miles ahead with a month to go, a broken collarbone could quickly change things
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on 21 January, 2015, 11:05:57 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

At least 365 days.

In November I half-jokingly asked Steve if he was going to carry on into 2016 to emulate Tommy and get the 100,000 mile record. He certainly didn't dismiss it, just said something like first things first and he'd see how things turned out in 2015.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 22 January, 2015, 12:53:51 am
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.

That would work if they were riding the same course. It was fine for the first London Marathon where, presumably, the athletes knew each other, but it would be much too contrived when they are thousands of miles apart and are incommunicado for about 90% of the time.

Lemond and Hinault, Top of Alpe D'Huez '85. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 January, 2015, 07:07:52 am
Steve's midsummer venue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldstream

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 January, 2015, 07:13:11 am
Considering the time zones each of them are in, all Tarzan needs to do is match Steve and add a couple at the end of each day.

I propose they “Change ends” at half time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 22 January, 2015, 07:39:36 am
Nothing uploaded on Strava for the 21st yet (2:39am his local time at time of writing). Did Kurt have a very long day yesterday or some problem with the track?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2015, 07:44:46 am
He was about 180miles at Sebring when I went to bed @12. at the point where he turned left and headed east - not far from where his overnight stop is shown.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 22 January, 2015, 07:50:07 am
Nothing uploaded on Strava for the 21st yet (2:39am his local time at time of writing). Did Kurt have a very long day yesterday or some problem with the track?

Still nothing at 07:50. Nothing on his FB page either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MCLK on 22 January, 2015, 08:38:16 am
This might have something to do with it. Posted on Hoppo's Facebook page a couple of hours a go...

Kurt is suffering from road rash as he collides with a vehicle yesterday!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 22 January, 2015, 08:57:05 am
Damn, hope he's ok. Much as I want Steve to win, I'd rather it wasn't by default because Tarzan crashed out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 22 January, 2015, 09:09:56 am
^^^ This very much so. I hope he's ok :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 22 January, 2015, 09:33:32 am
I'm almost tempted to log in to FaceBook to post a supportive message, but that would involve logging in to FaceBook.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2015, 09:34:20 am
That's not good :(

2 offs in 2 days? He fell off the recumbent on Tuesday (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1564589817116059)

I checked the tracker a few times between 10 and midnight, he seemed to be moving OK at midnight when I went to bed, but there was a longish period at 0mph at around 11pm. As that was by a Macdonalds I thought he may have been feeding, his pace afterwards seemed OK. Hope the stop wasn't due to something bad.

 :-\  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 22 January, 2015, 09:49:11 am
That is of course something that Tarzan has to cope with that Steve doesn't - American Drivers. We complain about motorists here, but...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 22 January, 2015, 09:52:01 am
Not that it makes it any better but it appears that yesterdays off was self induced, something to do with a shifter malfunction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 22 January, 2015, 09:57:08 am
That is of course something that Tarzan has to cope with that Steve doesn't - American Drivers. We complain about motorists here, but...

I have read two books by round the world cyclists - one ride in the 1970s and the other recent.  Lots of differences between the 1970s and now as you would expect but one thing common to both was that the worst drivers in the USA were in Florida.  Both authors made quite a big thing about how bad Florida was and I recall that at least one was run off the road. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 22 January, 2015, 10:00:06 am
Posted yesterday (21st) at 01:42:

Quote
Another 3 Flats Day - Flatted Rear on Giant - Laid the Bent out Flat - and Flatted the front on the Cervelo. Also run off the road twice. All in All I'm happy I was able to get in over 175 miles today and can still walk. .

Sounds like he s OK but the hazards we come across from car traffic are just as bad in the US (if not worse).

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 22 January, 2015, 10:10:04 am
Kurt's approach, riding at higher speeds in a more aggressive position on a Cervelo TT bike might put him at greater risk of traffic incidents. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 22 January, 2015, 10:17:37 am
Kurt's approach, riding at higher speeds in a more aggressive position on a Cervelo TT bike might put him at greater risk of traffic incidents.

Indeed, can't be too good for his back either
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2015, 10:22:06 am
Now uploaded - 197.6 miles

From FB
Quote
today was all about technology issues.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: teethgrinder on 22 January, 2015, 12:38:42 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 22 January, 2015, 12:41:37 pm
(https://stjamesclergy.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/2-wayne-and-garth-not-worthy.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 22 January, 2015, 12:42:11 pm
Go Steve!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 22 January, 2015, 12:43:06 pm
We need to rig up some kind of app for teethgrinder's phone to let him post without getting off the bike :-)

Good tactic for now to concentrate on not falling off and getting injured, I'd say. One that Tarzan might like to follow...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2015, 12:45:42 pm
 Great to see a post from 'the man' himself

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 22 January, 2015, 12:48:55 pm
Go Steve!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 January, 2015, 12:57:50 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 22 January, 2015, 12:59:22 pm
Surely "Teethgrinder types"?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 22 January, 2015, 01:07:14 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

Why not start one then?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 22 January, 2015, 01:12:05 pm
Fighting talk!

We all know Steve to be such a Thoroughly Nice Guy that it's easy to forget you need a real sportman's drive and ambition to attempt such an undertaking. Great to see his Ruthless Competitive Streak showing itself. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 22 January, 2015, 01:12:34 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

Then we could have ANOTHER NOTHER one for reactions to the reactions !!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 22 January, 2015, 01:30:25 pm
Not forgetting another translated into Swedish and Swahili
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bunker22 on 22 January, 2015, 01:44:11 pm
Not forgetting another translated into Swedish and Swahili

Gå Steve


Kwenda Steve


Done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 22 January, 2015, 01:46:40 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.
Spot on.

Your tactics have been impressive, Steve.  Kurt's a wily rider, but it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do.  You've got the practical and psychological advantage cause his riding conditions aren't going to improve on what he's currently got, but you know you're hitting big numbers in cold and potentially icy conditions.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 22 January, 2015, 01:53:19 pm
choo chooo!

GO STEVE!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 22 January, 2015, 01:58:06 pm
his riding conditions aren't going to improve on what he's currently got

That doesn't mean his riding can't/won't improve though - for all we know, he may be sandbagging.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 22 January, 2015, 02:03:12 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 22 January, 2015, 02:03:22 pm
I personally suspect Kurt is thinking something like "I will consistently bang out 200 miles a day until Steve starts to pick up his distance". 

He doesn't need to refer to Steve's exact daily distance, just be comfortable that Steve still isn't doing more than 200.

Steve's rides at the weekend surely put the willies up him though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 22 January, 2015, 02:04:31 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.

Yay, common sense  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrinklyLion on 22 January, 2015, 02:27:26 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

I reckon Steve can post where he pleases, tbh.  If you want to see all his posts then you can always view his profile and choose 'show posts'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 January, 2015, 02:32:43 pm
Forget it then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 22 January, 2015, 02:48:08 pm
Although I do rather like the idea of TEETHGRINDER SPEAKS TO THE NATION being broadcast across all the boards.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 January, 2015, 03:02:13 pm
Go Steve!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

+1
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 22 January, 2015, 03:04:55 pm
Although I do rather like the idea of TEETHGRINDER SPEAKS TO THE NATION being broadcast across all the boards BBC.

FTFY
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 22 January, 2015, 03:52:38 pm
An interesting thought is that, while Kurt has the weather advantage now, he will be forced north as it changes to fairly inhospitable levels. Avoiding the somewhat unforgiving Appalachian area means the he has to head into the prairie states where the weather can be a bit more extreme and sometimes a bit more difficult to run from. I wouldn't want to be trying to make a break across tornado alley at the wrong time of year.

In the meantime, the weather will steadily improve for Steve and his hard work should pay off as that happens. Of course during the height of summer the weather could push Steve out of his comfort zone here in the UK but the first and easiest option there would be to migrate up the east coast towards Northumbria. Hopefully Steve's team have considered this and are in the process of preparing a summer palace for him. At the end of February the tables will start to turn a bit. Steve will be finishing with the worst weather he will see during this challenge. Kurt will be moving into it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 January, 2015, 05:31:29 pm
Just about anywhere in USAnia can be uncomfortably hot in the summer.  And if it isn't hot, the rain can make The French Ride of 2007 look like intermittent showers.  In 2013 it started raining on me just east of Salt Lake City and I didn't get any proper sunshine again until Maryland >:(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 22 January, 2015, 05:39:47 pm
Just looked at Kurts tracker. Looks like he's flying today. Think he must be feeling better after his trials and tribulations of the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2015, 05:49:40 pm
I wonder if he will he take his scheduled easy day tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 22 January, 2015, 05:50:21 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.

GO TOOFYPEG!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on 22 January, 2015, 05:58:09 pm
My boss is American and used to cycle a lot in his younger days, but has lived in the UK for 3 years.  A little while ago he told me that he'd finally worked out why all cyclists in the UK seem to make rude hand gestures towards him...  He believes in the USA it's common to just overtake cyclists even if there is not really room to do so - he describes it as "squeezing past them" & thinks that all US cyclists accept they've taken up the road space intended for cars, so it's OK. 

It took him 3 years to notice that the roads are narrower here & we expect cars to wait for a safe passing place..!  :facepalm:

Hell, even if only 10% of US drivers think that like, I believe Tarzan has it rough.  As others have said, both riders have their own challenges & I wish them both well

(go Steve go!)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 22 January, 2015, 06:00:10 pm
In the meantime, the weather will steadily improve for Steve

Is Steve planning on moving to another country then? Or are you actually referring to England where "the weather will steadily improve".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/10058672/British-summer-kicks-off-with-snow-flurries.html

;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 22 January, 2015, 06:08:43 pm
Anybody think it was a race between these two only!
Please peoples, remember that the main pacemaker is Tommy Goodwin. They both need 205 per day to equal what he did. I hope [and I'm sure he won't] that TG doesn't get too drawn into what Kurt is doing and what everybody is saying about what he's doing in social media. He can't really do much about it now anyway, our winter weather dictates that. He knows he'll only blow up too early if he starts chasing too much too soon, especially with 94% of the challenge still to go [time wise].

Foundations, foundations. Tis a boring cliche, but all things that hold together have solid foundations.
This was always TG's plan, and this is actually what he's doing. Start slow [180 a day :o] and build up from there. He must be well pleased with how he's started this whole venture. Sounds like bike, body and mind are holding up well.

It's quite remarkable to come back from work day after day, log on, find out where he's been and how many miles he's chalked up once again.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 22 January, 2015, 06:13:21 pm
Interesting comments after the post by TG.

The weather conditions will improve in the US, Kurt will get stronger as the year goes on and I think doing races/randos throughout the year (which he plans to do) will break up the monotony of what he is doing now.

And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

Just my opinion - keep pedalling chaps. :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 22 January, 2015, 06:30:33 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 January, 2015, 06:46:38 pm
He's got past Lake Okeechobee without being et by crocogators :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 January, 2015, 06:57:56 pm
He's got past Lake Okeechobee without being et by crocogators :thumbsup:

Quote from: Ron Todd, former TGWO Gen Sec
Some people have been making allegation and we are out to catch the alligators!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 22 January, 2015, 07:39:08 pm
I just got very confused with the trackers, Tarzan seems to be passing somewhere called Buckingham.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on 22 January, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Can I present an alternative logic, please? Tarzan's operation looks quite spendy to me, putting fuel in that van all the time. Could it be that a part of his plan is to put big miles in at the beginning to encourage sponsors to come in for the rest of the ride? It's going to cost a whole lot more than RAAM doing a whole year like that!
Just a theory
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 22 January, 2015, 09:33:47 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.

I just hope that Steve keeps his eye on doing best he can and not getting diverted into trying to outdo Tarzan---there could be a risk of (both ?) burning out if it becomes so competitive early on. I recall from Chris Hoys book that all anyone can do is do the best they can, don`t get diverted by what others are doing , just focus on doing the very best you yourself can do as you can`t control what your competitor does.

Steve is currently doing an awesome and fantastic set of rides and I feel that is what he should focus on as it what he can control, not what tarzan does . Bon courage Steve  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 22 January, 2015, 09:37:50 pm
Can I present an alternative logic, please? Tarzan's operation looks quite spendy to me, putting fuel in that van all the time. Could it be that a part of his plan is to put big miles in at the beginning to encourage sponsors to come in for the rest of the ride? It's going to cost a whole lot more than RAAM doing a whole year like that!
Just a theory

I think Kurt is fairly well off TBH, won't cost a lot to fuel up the van (fuel is a lot cheaper in the US) and if he is staying in hotels then they are fairly cheap as well. Especially when all you are after is a bed for the night after riding 200 miles so no need to book into the four star Hilton.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 22 January, 2015, 09:48:29 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.

Exactly, and this is where I think Kurt may have the slight edge over Steve at the moment.

IMVHO Kurt is looking at this as a mile munching exercise whilst Steve is looking at this as a bike riding exercise. Feet climbed per x amount of miles, whether you ride a recumbent or not as other members have said, has no bearing on the task at hand at all which is to cover as many miles as possible.

Steve's rides which now cover a good chunk of the Home Counties and East Anglia would no doubt be harder in terms of terrain then Kurt's exertions on the Florida Flatlands which is where you want to be at this time of the year with cooler weather and limited daylight. Least we not forget as well that Kurt's rides must be mind numbingly boring, yes the road is flat but looking at Streetview the roads are featureless landscapes with only a straight road going through them - nothing else.

If it was me I'd have probably stayed closer to home doing circuits on flat roads for the first couple of months or at least until BST. And I think this may of suited Steve more given his rather vast and extensive experience of doing 24hr TT's.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 22 January, 2015, 10:15:06 pm
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 22 January, 2015, 10:19:43 pm
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/

This has been mentioned already.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 January, 2015, 10:21:13 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.

This is a battle the like of which has never been seen before.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 22 January, 2015, 10:44:41 pm
There is some tosh written on forums these days (not necessarily referring to here). Kurt will not 'crack'. Similarly, there are plenty of places he can go in the rest of the year and ride in decent weather; he is not committed to a few months' heat wave, and it's quite possible he could have better weather than Steve all year.

Do not believe anything on Kurt's website about shcedule or tactics; as Steve says, he has changed his strategy. I personally would not be surprised if he didn't do many races this year, or had many pre-race recovery days. He has devoted a year of his life to the HAMR and will do everything he can to achieve it. His sole focus will be to ride a few more miles than Steve each day, and if that means not doing RAAM, I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a miss (although 8 days at 350 miles a day would be pretty handY).

Steve knows what he is doing. He has made a fantastic start, and is in excess of his most optimistic schedule. I have been in awe of his ability for many years and am privaliged to have ridden with him (well OK, mostly behind him) a few times. I sincerely hope he sets a new record which stands for many years.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 January, 2015, 10:48:40 pm
This is a battle the like of which has never been seen before.

I thought there was a similar battle in 1939 when 3 riders set out to break the record.

This is international, and in 1939, the others didn't know what their rivals were up to on a day-to-day basis. It now becomes a fascinating tactical battle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 22 January, 2015, 11:15:21 pm
Ye olde proverbe: Many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 22 January, 2015, 11:42:15 pm
There is some tosh written on forums these days (not necessarily referring to here). Kurt will not 'crack'. Similarly, there are plenty of places he can go in the rest of the year and ride in decent weather; he is not committed to a few months' heat wave, and it's quite possible he could have better weather than Steve all year.

Do not believe anything on Kurt's website about shcedule or tactics; as Steve says, he has changed his strategy. I personally would not be surprised if he didn't do many races this year, or had many pre-race recovery days. He has devoted a year of his life to the HAMR and will do everything he can to achieve it. His sole focus will be to ride a few more miles than Steve each day, and if that means not doing RAAM, I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a miss (although 8 days at 350 miles a day would be pretty handY).

Steve knows what he is doing. He has made a fantastic start, and is in excess of his most optimistic schedule. I have been in awe of his ability for many years and am privaliged to have ridden with him (well OK, mostly behind him) a few times. I sincerely hope he sets a new record which stands for many years.

Exactly.

Well said that man  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 23 January, 2015, 12:24:43 am
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/

An interesting read that. Eight days of 350 miles a day for RAAM left Kurt with numb and weak hands, a very sore backside, and weighing almost a stone less than when he started. I don't think he's foolish enough to do that this year - he looks like he's taking HAMR seriously. This is not a state he can afford to be in at any time this year, and neither can Steve. Come the summer, these guys both need to be doing 250 mile days over and over. This year is all about who can work out how to do the longest days over and over without coming to physical harm that causes an early exit.

They're also going to somehow have to maintain sanity. I love riding a solo perm because it's great to clear your head and think about stuff. Just imagine if all the stuff you had to think about was the solo perms you'd ridden on the previous couple of hundred days, and the ones you're about to ride on the next hundred. We can all help with this by meeting up with Steve and giving him some company on the ride (well not me - I'd be too slow).

Someone said Kurt isn't going to crack. I'm not so sure of that: Kurt could crack, Steve could crack. I can't even imagine what this is going to feel like for either of them by August, it's uncharted territory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 23 January, 2015, 12:28:13 am
Looks like Kurt may have finally come to a stop for the day with about 210 miles on the tracker (so perhaps a few more in reality).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 23 January, 2015, 06:26:04 am
That's a solid total. 

If I were advising Kurt I'd suggest he puts a 250 mile day into Steve over the next week or so.  Possibly more.  And more than once.  He isn't going to be able to put down 50 miles more than Steve later in the year, so now is the time to do it.  Create a buffer that feels insurmountable and then control the race from the front.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 January, 2015, 06:43:07 am
Unless he's proposing to ride to the start of RAAM he'll need a day or two just to get there and get organisated.  It's a long way to ride and contains inconvenient mountains and/or deserts just about everywhere west of I-25.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 23 January, 2015, 06:44:50 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 January, 2015, 06:53:14 am
Pity he got the current record distance wrong.  Still, it must be difficult coping without opposable thumbs and I imagine his antlers make finding a h*lm*t a bit tricky ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 23 January, 2015, 07:27:49 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D

He missed out that we also dispute 365 days is a year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2015, 08:01:09 am
Correct me if I’m mistaken. Is this three men independently attempting a world distance record?

When did it become a ‘Race’?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 23 January, 2015, 08:38:52 am
When did it become a ‘Race’?

When the internet heard about it. I think.  :D

As long as Peter Perfect doesn't get to hear about it, I sleep easy.

If they're going to send James Taylor over, I think we should be sending some of our football lads over with a lot of beer to camp outside Tarzans hotel every night, sing songs to thus induce a hefty dose of sleep deprivation.

Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 23 January, 2015, 08:43:00 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D


And his point is  ???

The year starts on Jan 1st and ends on Dec 31st. Bents is bent and bikes is bikes. Any other thinking is just not British  ;)

He got me to a tee  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on 23 January, 2015, 09:17:07 am
I’m no expert, just wanted to put my two pence worth in the hope it may help Steve.
We have established Kurt is a very capable guy, determined and appears to have enough cash to be able to support his endeavours.

Kurt probably delayed his start purposely to get a ‘handle’ on Steve’s abilities. He also has the advantage of better weather and better possibilities of maintaining better weather for the duration. America is a large place with differing climates throughout the year, he could easily build up a bit of a mileage lead to take a day off and fly to somewhere in the US where the climate is more suited to him if the weather where he is becomes bad.

I would also guess his support team are monitoring what is being said in forums such as this to try and get further information about Steve. It has also been established that Kurt tends to copy his foes which he seems to be doing plus a few extra miles. How long he can keep up his pace is another thing, we don’t know.

I don’t know either Steve or Kurt, but I would hope Steve’s team around him advise him not to put up his tactics etc. on this forum (already been posted) and not to get too distracted by anything else but the task in hand with an eye on Kurt’s performance etc. If any of us can get out to ride with Steve to give him some company and support so much the better (if Steve is happy with that).

Like i said, just my Two pen'orth.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 23 January, 2015, 09:22:11 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2015, 09:28:42 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on 23 January, 2015, 09:38:12 am
Never thought of that  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on 23 January, 2015, 10:05:45 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

The cunning thoughts of a chess master ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 23 January, 2015, 10:18:16 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

Berk.

OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 23 January, 2015, 10:19:05 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

Berk.

OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 January, 2015, 10:44:44 am
What's Hairy Hippy doing at half term? I'd chip in some of the $300 to enter him in this, and put the cat among the pigeons for a week.

Any writing about this event increases the likelihood of a new contender appearing. We know who they are, and the reasons they can't. But there's a critical point at which it becomes a proposition. This attempt stems largely from an article on 'The One Show', and increased interest in cycling in general.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 23 January, 2015, 11:13:06 am
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 23 January, 2015, 11:18:54 am
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2015, 11:46:07 am
The only ‘contest’ they both have is against the conditions they face during the year which lessen their chances of beating Tommy Godwin’s distance.
One of them will overcome the conditions with more skill than the other.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 23 January, 2015, 12:24:31 pm
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...

+1 I thought it was a good article.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 23 January, 2015, 12:32:12 pm
Enjoyed it and had a chuckle. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 23 January, 2015, 12:51:53 pm
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...
Fair enough, but I thought it was unnecessarily puerile and partisan, which is exactly what I haven't seen here, with plenty of support for Kurt (and even for IronOx at times).

I need to lighten up. :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 January, 2015, 01:03:46 pm
We probably need a decision tree.

         Are recumbents a valid way of challenging Tommy's record?

Yes/ it's still a race to that goal.       No/ Tarzan can never claim the record.
   
                   Is starting on Jan 1st important?

Yes/ Tarzan can never claim the record.   No/ The race is still on.


etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 23 January, 2015, 01:06:27 pm
If it's within the UMCA rules, it goes.

End of.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 23 January, 2015, 01:07:45 pm
I thought recumbents were not 'normal' bikes and that they don't climb hills well? ;)

Surely riding them you would not be at an advantage?!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 January, 2015, 01:16:27 pm
If they're going to send James Taylor over, I think we should be sending some of our football lads over with a lot of beer to camp outside Tarzans hotel every night, sing songs to thus induce a hefty dose of sleep deprivation.

Or maybe not.

IIRC certain beastly FOREIGNS tried this outside the England team's hotel during the 2003 Rugby World Cup.

That worked ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 23 January, 2015, 01:19:55 pm
unnecessarily puerile and partisan, which is exactly what I haven't seen here, with plenty of support for Kurt

Really? I think some of the comments here (mainly the ones suggesting Tarzan's tactics are unsporting) have bordered on the jingoistic.

Which I don't have a problem with, by the way - we need to turn this into cycling's equivalent of the Ryder Cup. ;)

Quote
I need to lighten up. :(

Have a nice cup of tea, love, and it will all seem better.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on 23 January, 2015, 01:53:46 pm
If my version of the Trackleader's page for Kurt is correct, it seems as though he's is having a lie-in today. Nearly 9am in Florida and still no movement on his tracker.

He did have mechanical issues again yesterday - hit a kerb and destroyed a tyre which meant a trip to the bike shop at the end of the day, so perhaps waiting for opening time.

Preparation on the tech' side seems to be a weak point for Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 23 January, 2015, 01:57:56 pm
I wouldn't have thought that one bike being out of action would have stopped him riding. He has three on the camper (2 TT bikes and 1 'bent). Kurt did suggest he would have a few 100 mile days for recovery. Perhaps he's thinking of doing one of those. Or perhaps the weather's due to be better later :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on 23 January, 2015, 02:04:41 pm
It all depends where the camper with the bikes is... it may not be following him all day long.

Look at his Strava upload for yesterday... there is a clear 1 hour break at256km/160miles which corresponds to what is written on his FB page about losing an hour due to hitting "construction curb".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 23 January, 2015, 02:05:09 pm
And Fridays (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) are the scheduled rest days
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 23 January, 2015, 02:16:58 pm
Tracker now on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 23 January, 2015, 02:30:20 pm
He's moving...he's done his first mile!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 23 January, 2015, 03:05:58 pm
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

(http://www.screamhorrormag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/invasion-banner.jpg)

 :P

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2015, 03:33:26 pm
It all depends where the camper with the bikes is... it may not be following him all day long.

Look at his Strava upload for yesterday... there is a clear 1 hour break at256km/160miles which corresponds to what is written on his FB page about losing an hour due to hitting "construction curb".

Its 75 ft in front of him on the other end of a length of bungy cord.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2015, 03:36:00 pm
The only this with an amount of certainty that can be said about this 'race' is,,,

"Steve is in the left hand lane, and Kurt is in the right hand lane."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 23 January, 2015, 03:48:25 pm
Kurt is in the right hand lane.

As of Friday afternoon, sometime around 10.30am,  this specific right hand lane, just here  (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@27.473836,-82.237013,3a,75y,110.07h,104.25t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sx2WONmsuJ4SDeYPqo3SZ1g!2e0?hl=en) - on another road to infinity.
What struck me about this shot was the presence of clouds though. This is May 2012.
Wouldn't want to be cycling in those kind of conditions  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on 23 January, 2015, 03:59:46 pm
Two thoughts:

1. The intercontinentalism of the "competition" means that spectators get almost 24hr coverage for 365 days (God willing). Knocks even a five day Test Match into a cocked hat in the VFM stakes.

2. How will the riders avoid going insane? On the rare occasions when I've had to spend long periods in the saddle alone, my brain goes into some weird loops and breakaways. They'd be carting me off in a straight jacket by day 5 (although, unlike these riders, the men in white coats wouldn't have to travel far to get me).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 23 January, 2015, 04:01:23 pm
2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Never mind them, what about us?  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 January, 2015, 04:02:13 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 January, 2015, 04:11:28 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacques on 23 January, 2015, 04:31:41 pm
Latest news ... I see on the Tracker he just turned left.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 23 January, 2015, 04:36:59 pm
2. How will the riders avoid going insane? On the rare occasions when I've had to spend long periods in the saddle alone, my brain goes into some weird loops and breakaways.

i'd be listening to audio books, you could almost have a "brain transplant" in that time if you wished so.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 23 January, 2015, 04:37:35 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.

Or BBC Sports Personality of the Year
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 23 January, 2015, 04:47:33 pm
Some people cope with being alone better than others. Some actually prefer to be alone. I guess you don't become a long distance rider like these guys unless that is part of your personality.

There's a lovely quote from Billie Flemming, the women's distance record holder when interviewed on her 100th birthday last year (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/billie-fleming-happy-100th-birthday-121964):

Q. How would you describe Tommy Godwin?

BF: Well, someone who liked 
riding his bike! He was a 
no-nonsense, hardened rider. 
Not a chatty man.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 23 January, 2015, 05:23:19 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.

Is there some cycling version of Catch 22 hiding in there?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on 23 January, 2015, 05:27:08 pm
Quote
BF: Well, someone who liked 
riding his bike! He was a 
no-nonsense, hardened rider. 
Not a chatty man.
Steve to a T.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 23 January, 2015, 05:38:03 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 January, 2015, 05:40:34 pm
Most time trials have offset start times, usually measured in minutes, and TTs are definitely races.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 January, 2015, 05:42:12 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.

It's strange how distance shrinks, the more you do of it. Time and travel don't occupy a fixed space, as the mind discards information it's already seen. Then there's the way that endurance exercise increases the cell mitochondria in the brain.
There's a whole lot of biochemistry going on that might warrant some research.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 23 January, 2015, 05:59:16 pm
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

Most time trials have offset start times, usually measured in minutes, and TTs are definitely races.

OK, you've convinced me. Not that I needed much convincing. It's definitely a race.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 24 January, 2015, 07:58:20 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

"Latest sports news flash. Manchester United scored 234 goals at St James' Park while Chelsea scored 256 goals at Villa Park. That means Chelsea won by 22 goals."
Weren't they supposed to be playing on the same pitch?
"No, that doesn't matter. They were both playing football."
Football pitches can be different sizes.
"That doesn't matter either. I've already said, stupid, they were both playing football."

Calling Kurt and Steve's record attempts a 'race' is a chronic misinterpretation of reality.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 24 January, 2015, 08:23:44 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

"Latest sports news flash. Manchester United scored 234 goals at St James' Park while Chelsea scored 256 goals at Villa Park. That means Chelsea won by 22 goals."
Weren't they supposed to be playing on the same pitch?
"No, that doesn't matter. They were both playing football."
Football pitches can be different sizes.
"That doesn't matter either. I've already said, stupid, they were both playing football."

Calling Kurt and Steve's record attempts a 'race' is a chronic misinterpretation of reality.
And next you'll be saying the record won't count unless there's a World War on  :facepalm:

(and what about round-the-world yacht racing???? )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 24 January, 2015, 09:02:40 am
Still not quite sure I see it as a race, more of an extreme endurance test for two independent participants, and perhaps, more than a race...  Though I'm not quite sure what I mean by this...   ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 24 January, 2015, 09:13:46 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 January, 2015, 09:16:56 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.

Steve should be OK. I understand he doesn't eat porridge, and therefore doesn't have anything to do with Oates.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 January, 2015, 09:29:34 am
Although he has gone out and may be some time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 24 January, 2015, 09:33:54 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.

Steve should be OK. I understand he doesn't eat porridge, and therefore doesn't have anything to do with Oates.

Taxi for Wowbagger :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 January, 2015, 09:38:27 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

TT records aren't course-dependent though, are they?

Neither Steve or Kurt are using the same route as Tommy G.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 24 January, 2015, 01:58:21 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

....plus note the word 'contest'.

It is a competition, there will only be one winner.

Go Go Go Go STEVE!!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 24 January, 2015, 02:19:45 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

....plus note the word 'contest'.

It is a competition, there will only be one winner.

Go Go Go Go STEVE!!

H
^Yessssssss!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 24 January, 2015, 08:50:32 pm
Flying today in a west to east direction, but then there was a 24mph westerly wind when he started. Would have been stupid not to have taken advantage of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 24 January, 2015, 09:23:15 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.

Or BBC Sports Personality of the Year

For that he'd need to be available for loads of media whoring this year.

I'm not sure that's going to happen.

Or, you need:

a) The panel to put Steve up in the shortlist.
b) about 300,000 cyclists to vote for him on the night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 24 January, 2015, 10:09:37 pm
It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

Well, only if you take the audax definition of speed and include all the time off the bike. If Steve gets it, his moving average will almost certainly still be lower than Kurt's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 24 January, 2015, 10:43:39 pm
It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

You are gotted that wrongly
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 24 January, 2015, 11:24:26 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 25 January, 2015, 07:51:59 am
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 25 January, 2015, 08:28:51 am
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 25 January, 2015, 08:42:47 am
ive just watched that!!!

(I think it was the steerer where it leaves the head-tube)

that is bad luck - and quite a good excuse for a support vehicle.

Of course Steve would have fixed it with a stick splint ....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 25 January, 2015, 09:39:56 am
Interesting validation of Steve's choice of steel....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2015, 10:00:15 am
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup.

Do you have a link to that, perchance? I visited Tarzan's website but couldn't find any videos.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 25 January, 2015, 10:01:34 am
That could have been nasty.  I see his left forearm is heavily bandaged - I'm presuming he came off, hopefully not a speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 25 January, 2015, 10:02:43 am
It's on Facebook.  Search for Kurt searvogel ham'r.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 25 January, 2015, 10:13:36 am
That could have been nasty.  I see his left forearm is heavily bandaged - I'm presuming he came off, hopefully not a speed.

That was from his off the day before :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2015, 10:14:10 am
It's on Facebook.  Search for Kurt searvogel ham'r.

Ah. I'm not on facebook.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 25 January, 2015, 10:24:25 am
You don't need to be 'on' Facebook to see Kurt's (and Hoppo's) pages:

Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides

Hoppo:
https://www.facebook.com/chris.hoppo.hopkinson

To see the videos, select 'More' and 'Videos'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2015, 10:29:31 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 25 January, 2015, 11:01:17 am
You don't need to be 'on' Facebook to see Kurt's (and Hoppo's) pages:

Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides

Hoppo:
https://www.facebook.com/chris.hoppo.hopkinson

To see the videos, select 'More' and 'Videos'.

Ah, I couldn't see it, as I was looking at his other site https://www.facebook.com/Metarzan (not being updated now I think).  Actually he says here that he was having to wear double shorts one day (5), due to saddle soreness.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly John on 25 January, 2015, 11:07:11 am
Looking at his 'Maiden voyage' video, he doesn't look at all comfortable riding the recumbent - all the 'bent newbie mistakes there.

However, in some of the other videos you see him with trackers and water bottles on the bent. I wonder how much use it's getting?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 January, 2015, 11:12:56 am
Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides


Not a great advert for Cervelo, that stem breakage. I think that was a low-speed incident but in general I reckon Kurt’s approach so far - much higher average speeds and shorter days - has to involve much more risk-taking on the roads.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on 25 January, 2015, 12:24:37 pm
Kurt is going to have to moderate his riding style and stop knocking himself about if he is to survive this trip.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Vince on 25 January, 2015, 12:41:41 pm
Kurt has just posted on FB that his heart monitor has failed. That's going to delay him until a replacement is found.

Thinking about his support vehicle; Its going to need servicing at least four times during the event and adding 80k miles to it, may even need replacing. That's going to be something else to worry about. Perhaps Steve's KISS style has a lot to be said for it.

Hup Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 25 January, 2015, 01:03:23 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 25 January, 2015, 01:54:40 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 25 January, 2015, 01:58:03 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)

Good point Matt,  well made.

I guess I was wrong this time.

FTFY
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 25 January, 2015, 04:47:01 pm
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup.

raleigh 1 : 0 cervelo ;D

glad Kurt can ride as usual after this incident
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 25 January, 2015, 05:20:23 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.

That will be to take advantage of the NW wind then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 25 January, 2015, 05:32:50 pm
Just like Tommy did (although last time I looked, winds in that bit of Florida were about 4mph, so no real advantage).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 25 January, 2015, 05:33:30 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)

Good point Matt,  well made.

I guess I was wrong this time.

FTFY

Whatever you say, Matt.  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 25 January, 2015, 05:43:56 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.

That will be to take advantage of the NW wind then.

You cynic, he was looking for a new heart rate chest strap ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Gus on 25 January, 2015, 09:28:27 pm
He have just broken his aerobar (one of the pads) No crash this time.  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 25 January, 2015, 09:49:30 pm
So much for the 100 mile rest days  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 25 January, 2015, 10:15:57 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 25 January, 2015, 10:21:14 pm
The rate he his breaking equipment is astonishing. Keep this up over a whole year and it may almost equal that of a small pro tour team.
It'd be a shame if any of these kit or logistical issues end up doing for his chances. The man himself seems right on form for the challenge and in great spirits.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Gus on 25 January, 2015, 10:27:04 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
No friday was the fork that snapped, new part today on another bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 January, 2015, 10:31:25 pm
I thought he looked a bit testy in one of the videos - the one that the fork didn't snap and he was going on about the 12th day of Christmas!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 25 January, 2015, 10:32:41 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
No friday was the fork that snapped, new part today on another bike.

No - the rest day not the breakage - reply to TGS
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 25 January, 2015, 10:35:47 pm
In the video he posted on facebook, he said the bar was an old part. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 25 January, 2015, 10:38:25 pm
I thought he looked a bit testy in one of the videos - the one that the fork didn't snap and he was going on about the 12th day of Christmas!

I get the impression from other videos that he has a dry SOH. He seemed in good spirits when he stopped with the broken tri-bar today
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 26 January, 2015, 06:36:47 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 26 January, 2015, 06:47:37 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

Lolol ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 26 January, 2015, 09:53:51 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

No, just looks like it's you posting that.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 26 January, 2015, 09:56:43 am
Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

 ::-)

 ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 26 January, 2015, 10:14:02 am
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 January, 2015, 10:23:29 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 26 January, 2015, 10:28:57 am
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 26 January, 2015, 10:29:48 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.

The 'drag' from passing vehicles is an advantage in a time trial ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 January, 2015, 10:38:35 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.

The 'drag' from passing vehicles is an advantage in a time trial ;)

That's IF they successfully pass.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 26 January, 2015, 11:27:23 am
Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

 ::-)

 ;)

:D

You should work in the movie poster industry.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 01:01:59 pm
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
I think there should be a vintage section of all records.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 26 January, 2015, 01:11:11 pm
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.

It would probably help if Steve's frame broke and had to be repaired in some remote Welsh town  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 01:19:48 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur, and him changing to the recumbent.

He's not having a lot of luck mechanically.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 January, 2015, 01:37:41 pm
I wonder how much time he spent researching the appropriate kit for the job in hand?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 26 January, 2015, 01:41:28 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur

I'm beginning to feel rather sorry for TZ with all his equipment failures. I guess now is the time for the follow vehicle to show how useful it can be. I suspect if TG had those kinds of issues, and mentioned it on yacf, people might appear quite quickly to lend him another bike and fix it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 26 January, 2015, 01:53:49 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur

I'm beginning to feel rather sorry for TZ with all his equipment failures. I guess now is the time for the follow vehicle to show how useful it can be. I suspect if TG had those kinds of issues, and mentioned it on yacf, people might appear quite quickly to lend him another bike and fix it.

The value of the support vehicle is reduced by the driver not having (i imagine) any mechanical ability, his costs are mounting up big time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 26 January, 2015, 01:56:41 pm
the bike failures are certainly unwelcome, but his attitute is not really helping either. why become upset about the stuff that's already happened? the team will sort it out while he's riding another bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 26 January, 2015, 02:04:14 pm
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.

It would probably help if Steve's frame broke and had to be repaired in some remote Welsh town  ;)

As long as he fixes it himself and doesn't ask for anyone to pump the bellows - you have no idea as to what beveridge the blacksmith had with his evening meal ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 26 January, 2015, 02:04:42 pm
I guess that's a lot of failures in a short time but over what distance? High end kit may well be more fragile than more basic equipment. Tarzan may well be hard on his bikes as well. He dropped the bike with the broken stem when it was being shown on video.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 26 January, 2015, 02:06:36 pm
the bike failures are certainly unwelcome, but his attitute is not really helping either.

Up until today, he's always seemed pretty cheerful to me. Let's hope he doesn't have a mechanical on the bent, otherwise he'll have to resort to the emergency strida he keeps under the seats (probably).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 26 January, 2015, 02:09:58 pm
I wonder how much time he spent researching the appropriate kit for the job in hand?

I guess that's a lot of failures in a short time but over what distance? High end kit may well be more fragile than more basic equipment. Tarzan may well be hard on his bikes as well. He dropped the bike with the broken stem when it was being shown on video.

I was wondering the same thing, whether it's at least partly down to how hard he is riding... but on the other hand he's a very experienced ultra-distance cyclist, so he should have a reasonable idea of what kind of punishment the kit is capable of taking.

Mostly just bad luck, surely?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 26 January, 2015, 02:15:30 pm
I suspect Kurt's bikes have done a fair mileage up till now, considering he rode RAAM and associated events on them. The lightest current kit doesn't have the legendary toughness or durability of older pro-level equipment. Together with some bad luck, his run of breakages isn't hugely surprising. Not many folk check steerer tubes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 26 January, 2015, 02:19:11 pm
The value of the support vehicle is reduced by the driver not having (i imagine) any mechanical ability,

Are you basing that on anything? I'd have reckoned from her involvement in a RAAM attempt and taking this on, that she'd have a reasonable amount of mechanical nous  - including knowing what to hand off to a bike shop.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on 26 January, 2015, 02:22:34 pm
I suspect Kurt's bikes have done a fair mileage up till now,

I suspect this is the case, my reading is that Kurt has just taken his normal competition bikes out of the garage and ridden them.

Steve has been fortunate that his sponsors (Raleigh) etc. have provided him with new kit from the start and a good supply of replacement parts to keep up with maintenance. Steve has also chosen to use heavier but more resilient materials as he fears fork / steerer failures.

So far this is paying off, but the test will come once Steve's kit reaches the mileage that Kurt's already has on it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 January, 2015, 02:23:48 pm
Looking again at the video of the Cervalo's forks/steerer breaking, the Giant on the carrier behind the van already seems to me to have the rear derailleur at a bit of an odd angle. Had that already broken and it only came to light when he tried to use it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 26 January, 2015, 02:25:32 pm
So far this is paying off, but the test will come once Steve's kit reaches the mileage that Kurt's already has on it.

Steve's still only ridden one of the bikes, hasn't he? It will be interesting to see what difference the choice of equipment makes on this record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 02:28:06 pm
Possibly; the video seems to have been shot at dawn.

I do wonder if Kurt is trying to do all his fettling himself, which is a lot to take on with the riding. 

I agree that top end equipment, while saving a few grammes, will be less robust.  Worth going a step or two down the ladder.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 January, 2015, 02:29:12 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Time to stop hankering after that M5 CHR :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 26 January, 2015, 02:32:18 pm
Kurt's bikes seem good quality, probably a bit knackered after his previous long distance rides or/and mishandling. one component i'd be doubtful is rolf prima wheels (16 spokes front and rear) - they are definitely strong wheels, i've seen them on tandems before, but i'd like more spokes for peace of mind, especially as he's big and strong rider.

eta: the elbow pad that broke is flimsy plastic profile design (i've got one of them), better to choose something more robust
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 26 January, 2015, 02:33:26 pm
Mike Hall rode round the world on a Dirty Disco (http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FROOCXD/on-one-dirty-disco-cyclocross-frameset).  Hanker away, Mr L. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 02:34:34 pm
I was surprised he was not on fresh bikes from a sponsor.  That's kinda sad, as I would have hoped that one of the big US firms would want to get behind the effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 26 January, 2015, 02:39:19 pm
I'd got the impression he  was happy to fund it himself from his own business, and perhaps hadn't gone on a quest for sponsors.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on 26 January, 2015, 02:55:04 pm
I'd got the impression he  was happy to fund it himself from his own business, and perhaps hadn't gone on a quest for sponsors.

From his blogs it looked like he had initially set aside the plans to undertake the challenge until the UMCA published the regulations, then he decided to give it a go. That delay to commit removed the opportunity to seek sponsors in advance and may now backfire both financially and in terms of using worn equipment. Alternatively the manufactures of his current bikes may wish to provide new replacements to prevent further negative publicity due to equipment failure.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 January, 2015, 02:58:49 pm
In which case, as true sporting BRITONS, we should be shouting from the rooftops precisely how terrible $SOOTBIKES are until the manufacturer does the necessary ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 26 January, 2015, 03:15:10 pm
With a potential mileage of over 80,000, there are going to be maintenance issues for all trialists.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 26 January, 2015, 03:33:04 pm
Steve is aiming to spread the mileage fairly evenly amongst his three bikes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 03:47:09 pm
He's not daft.  And I think having disc brakes should make the wheels last a lot longer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 26 January, 2015, 03:48:30 pm
based on Facebook, Kurt is hoping to line up sponsors (there is reference to liking his page to make it easier to get sponsors). 

I hope he gets some.  Like his page to help out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 26 January, 2015, 03:49:41 pm
I hope so.  It would be a shame if mechanical issues made the difference ultimately.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 26 January, 2015, 04:15:17 pm
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
I think there should be a vintage section of all records.
Quilled onto parchment, never to be seen on t'internet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 26 January, 2015, 04:53:26 pm
I hope so.  It would be a shame if mechanical issues made the difference ultimately.

Yep, mishap or mechanical would be a sad way for one person to 'lose'.  While there is obviously good naturedly partisan support here for Steve, no-one would want the issue to be decided by issues other than physical ability and mental fortitude.  Sure Kurt is buying his support with money and Steve with goodwill but they are both dependent on others for much beyond their own riding choices and skills.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 26 January, 2015, 05:59:14 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Don't say that Mr Mayor, I've just set aside a corner of my already appallingly grubby flat for the use of all sorts of basic tools, bits of bin bags, tapes, various bits of paper, liquid foam, SOOT glue, and a fair bit of SOOT fabric! TG has inspired me [seriously] to get off my lazy arse and do what I've been thinking about doing for the last 8 years. And I haven't really got a clue what I'm doing. For better or for worse, it will be done. And, I've decided to stay off the juice until it's done too. I'll let you know :-\  :facepalm:

Anyway, getting back to Kurt [as it's his thread]....he makes me laugh. He's quite a character. Very kind of improvisatory, bit impulsive, maybe a bit unpredictable [as well as being a phenomenal athlete] . Just a feeling I get.

Something else though, and I think it's about the sheer scale of the United States. Unless he's going to stay in one small area of the US [and that could bring issues with the weather] it's a lot more difficult for him to set up the degree of community support that Teethgrinder has going for him [and I'm referring to those who are physically helping him with meals, bikes, home support etc. He has a Team, right? Does Kurt have a team? Maybe he does, I don't know. If he wanted to, it's possible for TG to go anywhere in the UK and stay with people and he'd still be never that far from home. Tarzen doesn't have that, not unless he decides to restrict his movements. To me, he's much more isolated than TG. And that's just a geographical thing, not because of what kind of person he might be. Each rider will have to dig real deep into mental reserves later on, there's no telling what kind of mental landscape they could be inhabiting. To have that degree of support might be a very important factor for maintaining balance later on. It's still all a bit of a novelty at the moment.

I remember reading this in October:

I'm more concerned about the psychological effects during the attempt than anything else to be honest. I think that could be a big maker or breaker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 26 January, 2015, 06:05:01 pm
^^^^^wot e said.

Can you imagine the call? "HELP!!! Steve needs to borrow a worthy steed urgently to finish off the section through Lymeswold-on-the-Cheese"

I would imagine that there would be many offers of assistance from this congested yet closely packed island.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 26 January, 2015, 06:31:03 pm
Yea, good post Senor Broad.

A blue sky thinking thought: Kurt (and team) might start to realise the power of crowd-sourced support,  and look to generate some later in the year.
(His team are more likely to drive this, the quicker he pisses them off ;) )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 26 January, 2015, 06:32:33 pm
I was surprised he was not on fresh bikes from a sponsor.  That's kinda sad, as I would have hoped that one of the big US firms would want to get behind the effort.

Dunno if the 'bent was given to him by Bacchetta but John Schillter (Bacchetta designer) fitted the bike for him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 26 January, 2015, 06:35:02 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Don't say that Mr Mayor, I've just set aside a corner of my already appallingly grubby flat for the use of all sorts of basic tools, bits of bin bags, tapes, various bits of paper, liquid foam, SOOT glue, and a fair bit of SOOT fabric! TG has inspired me [seriously] to get off my lazy arse and do what I've been thinking about doing for the last 8 years. And I haven't really got a clue what I'm doing. For better or for worse, it will be done. And, I've decided to stay off the juice until it's done too. I'll let you know :-\  :facepalm:....


I hope to see it on the line in Paris...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 26 January, 2015, 08:04:51 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


edit: having looked again the transfer wasn't as far as I thought it was. Wonder why he did it in a vehicle if it was only 6 miles? Is this a pattern we're going to see alot if there's a short stretch of headwind?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 26 January, 2015, 08:13:15 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\

Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 26 January, 2015, 08:23:02 pm
Yes, moving south and tracker's logged another 6 miles since the transfer :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 26 January, 2015, 08:28:48 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?

 ???  I'm seeing 109 miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Martin on 26 January, 2015, 09:04:33 pm
interesting thread; while we are all gunning for Steve  :thumbsup: it comes down to "may the best man win"

thinking of another ride (shorter but still hard, think it's happening again this year?); having oodles of support is not necessarily an advantage you still have to ride the whole way

I was chatting to another stellar AUK about Steve's attempt the other day; don't think he knew about it. His first reply was "so he's going over to America for a year?"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 26 January, 2015, 09:04:37 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?

 ???  I'm seeing 109 miles?

Yes, that's right, which is 112 now, that's his total for the day so far. IanG is talking about a suddenly transit shift he made from Palm City on the west coast, what looks like about 50km eastbound to the edge of Lake Okeechobee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Okeechobee) [respect to heritage] :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 January, 2015, 09:06:45 pm
That shift must have taken up about 50 minutes' cycling time. There must be some sort of combination of how strong the wind is/how tired the rider is to see whether that shift is worthwhile. Presumably he multitasked by consuming a couple of thousand calories whilst en route.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on 26 January, 2015, 09:08:49 pm
That shift must have taken up about 50 minutes' cycling time. There must be some sort of combination of how strong the wind is/how tired the rider is to see whether that shift is worthwhile. Presumably he multitasked by consuming a couple of thousand calories whilst en route.

Or fixed a broken bike (or two).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 26 January, 2015, 09:38:22 pm
A good move tactically - 50 mins in a cafe or 50 in a camper van moving to better roads/conditions - what's the difference?

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 27 January, 2015, 06:21:42 am
I was chatting to another stellar AUK about Steve's attempt the other day; don't think he knew about it. His first reply was "so he's going over to America for a year?"

Name and shame  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 27 January, 2015, 08:48:56 am

Looks like he left he forgot to pause his GPS on his bike whilst it he had a 6 mile transfer.

101.8 miles to 107.8 miles @ 60mph and lowest heartrate.

No doubt he's tried to sort that with UMCA but can't "fix" the Strava total.

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 27 January, 2015, 09:20:25 am
He does make that comment on his Garmin Connect page.

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 27 January, 2015, 05:25:43 pm

Looks like he left he forgot to pause his GPS on his bike whilst it he had a 6 mile transfer.

101.8 miles to 107.8 miles @ 60mph and lowest heartrate.

No doubt he's tried to sort that with UMCA but can't "fix" the Strava total.

Leo

I believe it can be sorted using the edit facility on Strava

Using the edit facility crop the ride from the days start point to where the transfer starts at 163.5km.

Upload a duplicate of the original ride again

Crop the newly uploaded duplicate ride from the days start point to where transfer stops at 173km.

You are left with 2 rides showing for that day on Strava - one showing up to the transfer at 163.5 km and one after the transfer of 119.7 km (292.7-173km). Total distance for the day is more like 283 km

Compared to Steves day 17 distance of 366.1km Tarzans lead after his first 17 days has been cut a fair bit. It will be interesting to see how he fares today against Steves day 18 total of 371.8 km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 27 January, 2015, 06:00:24 pm
He would have to upload the second ride from a back up GPS though as otherwise Strava would reject it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 27 January, 2015, 06:23:46 pm
If it involves a resubmission, would he have had to edit it within 24hrs of the ride itself?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 27 January, 2015, 06:32:25 pm
Worth reading this, before too much time gets wasted on this "issue":

(its the very top post,  on the top thread in the board. In a sticky.)

Nothing particularly suspicious. He transferred to a vehicle at that point, and while the GPX file directly downloadable from Strava 'joins the dots' to include that transfer, he did switch off the timer on his GPS, so the course file records what looks like the correct distance. The difference between the two is 292.75km (.crs file) and 325.25km (GPX). The summary distance on Strava matches the lower, course file.

His time-distance chart for the day looks reasonable:

(http://gicentre.org/oytt/images/oyttDay26Zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 27 January, 2015, 07:16:39 pm
that post says Jo's own calculations are not skewed by misrecording car-assisted sections. Yay! But Strava's own calculations do remaining skewed by it, and, (according to UMCA) it's the Strava number that reigns supreme.
So, yeah, I think people should carry right on whipping themselves into a right royal frenzy on this one. Letters to MPs would be very appropriate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 27 January, 2015, 07:42:49 pm
So, yeah, I think people should carry right on whipping themselves into a right royal frenzy on this one. Letters to MPs would be very appropriate.
fair enough  ;D

If nothing else it should raise the profile of 1YTT !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 27 January, 2015, 08:40:06 pm
Rather sad a pastime as it is, following Tarzan round Florida, I've developed a bit of an appetite for the web-cams of it's coast line. In a few minutes from now at 3.47pm EST [20.47 for UK] this (http://www.volusia.org/news/new-smyrna.stml) is what Tarzan will be greated by. Rather nice on a winters day. Take a dip old chap.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 28 January, 2015, 12:44:36 am
Big mileage going in today!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 28 January, 2015, 06:02:29 am
220 miles. His biggest since his first day. Looking at FB, it looks like his most trouble free too. I'm sure there is a correlation!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 28 January, 2015, 11:09:52 am
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on 28 January, 2015, 11:37:49 am
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!

I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on 28 January, 2015, 11:43:08 am
p.s.

Go Steve
Go Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 28 January, 2015, 11:45:28 am
I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:

Good choice there with the sharp pin, and not glass. That way TG's tubeless tyres are probably immune...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 28 January, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 28 January, 2015, 12:42:34 pm
I've lost the plot a little (no change there then)

What date did Tarzan start on the HAMR  ???

Trying to compare his position to Steve's for the same number of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 28 January, 2015, 12:45:53 pm
Have a look here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml?gid=944055483&single=true

Rich
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 28 January, 2015, 12:58:09 pm
Cheers Rich  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 28 January, 2015, 01:36:27 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom

I don't get it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 28 January, 2015, 05:32:58 pm
Somewhere else Steve should avoid.

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/jeremy-clarksons-house/view/bing/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on 28 January, 2015, 06:34:49 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom

I don't get it?

With Tarzan joking on facebook about sabotage by the Brits then Steve just needs to avoid the centres of US population in the UK
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 28 January, 2015, 07:03:34 pm
Blimey, Tarzan's fired up the turbo charger again today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 07:41:43 pm
Currently only 5 miles behind Steve for todays mileage.

I reckon 240 miles for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 28 January, 2015, 08:05:27 pm
I think these two long days (today and yesterday) correspond to TGs long days when he rode to Yorkshire (given Kurt is 10 days behind Steve) and clearly suggest he is mirroring what Steve does but a little bit more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on 28 January, 2015, 08:18:26 pm
He also hasn't had one of his 'rest' days of 100 miles yet which he thought important to let his body recover. Time will tell whether or not that is a good idea.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 28 January, 2015, 08:50:57 pm
I would imagine Tarzan's feeling good, the weather's good, he's going well, so batter out the miles. I don't think there's anything more to it than that....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Lars on 28 January, 2015, 09:11:12 pm
I don't quite get those "Kurt did this and that in response to what Steve did 10 days earlier comments" whenever
Kurt logs a big distance. Without any balanced commentary about when it was the other way around. Day 17 looks
like Kurt did 40 miles less than Steve did on his day 17 (Steve 227, Kurt 182). No kudos comments to Kurt for being
a gentleman there.

So I'll give him that - well done Kurt for being a nice guy on day 17.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 09:16:30 pm
I don't quite get those "Kurt did this and that in response to what Steve did 10 days earlier comments" whenever
Kurt logs a big distance. Without any balanced commentary about when it was the other way around. Day 17 looks
like Kurt did 40 miles less than Steve did on his day 17 (Steve 227, Kurt 182). No kudos comments to Kurt for being
a gentleman there.

So I'll give him that - well done Kurt for being a nice guy on day 17.  :)

Were these one of the days when he had a few mechanicals and/or got knocked off his bike?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 28 January, 2015, 09:33:05 pm
Reverse the locations.

Ask yourself how Steve would be faring in pancake-flat, warm Florida. And how Kurt would be faring in an English winter (which has been pretty mild so far) riding through yer actual hills.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 09:35:26 pm
Reverse the locations.

Ask yourself how Steve would be faring in pancake-flat, warm Florida. And how Kurt would be faring in an English winter (which has been pretty mild so far) riding through yer actual hills.

Just saying.

Steve chooses to venture out from what is a fairly pan flat area, his choice. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's about miles covered not places visited.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 28 January, 2015, 09:43:56 pm
[restrains self]
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 09:47:50 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 28 January, 2015, 09:56:23 pm
Must. Not. Feed. The. Troll....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 28 January, 2015, 09:57:52 pm
Possibly, but I'm firmly supporting Steve & he's the one I hope gets the new record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 10:10:47 pm
Must. Not. Feed. The. Troll....

Really? You made a statement (rhetorical or not) and I gave my opinion. Try having an unbiased view of this record and you'll see I'm talking sense - hardly trolling. And remember this thread is about Kurt...so perhaps you should show better judgement before having a pop about the strategy of how he's going about getting the miles in. Which is by far the most pragmatic - flat lands riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 28 January, 2015, 10:12:01 pm
I'm a little surprised by a couple of things:

1.  Vid today of Kurt swapping a tube.  Why?  Doesn't he have a spare wheel in the support vehicle he can throw in, and leave the fiddly bits till later?

2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 28 January, 2015, 10:26:12 pm
Strewth! 217 miles in 10:38 and he's still going.

Following wind strength today appears to be about the same as Steve's.

Tomorrow's forecast for the sunny Thames Valley just updated to mid morning snow a few minutes ago  :'(

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 28 January, 2015, 10:38:24 pm
2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?

Because they're invisible  :P

TBH, I think it's a case of experienced riders sticking to what they know.  Having one on standby as an alternative to not being able to ride is a sound strategy, but getting optimal performance from them (and avoiding their own flavours of long-term ergonomic issues) takes time.  Much as I agree that a recumbent is the right tool for the job, the right rider is far more important than the bike, and riders work best with what they're familiar with and trained for.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 28 January, 2015, 10:46:02 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.

Given that Kurt's Bacchetta has a lower drag profile than his upright, given the conditions and the terrain, then I'd have thought that to be highly possible. Not many of us get to ride bents for any length of time in those kind of conditions - roads normally starts going up at some point :-). Where Kurt is at the moment, it's recumbent paradise out there. Where Steve is ?....nah, not such an obvious choice.

It just goes to show what kind of athlete Kurt is though, because looking at how he was riding that recumbent first of all, he didn't look that great, but he seems to be doing perfectly ok now!

I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 28 January, 2015, 11:07:51 pm
I had a look this morning at Kurt's ride on Strava, from Polk City, and I've had Polk Salad Annie going round my head most of the day :thumbsup:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRF24LY5pvw
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 28 January, 2015, 11:08:41 pm
It's a big one from Kurt today. I was just thinking he's running out of land, but it's another 127 miles to Key West, if he wants to keep going!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 28 January, 2015, 11:21:10 pm
He's after 250 miles today, according to a video just posted on FaceBook. He looks in pretty good nick too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 28 January, 2015, 11:30:36 pm
Great video. There have been days when he looks completely pissed off. He looks in great spirits there :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 January, 2015, 11:42:58 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.

Given that Kurt's Bacchetta has a lower drag profile than his upright, given the conditions and the terrain, then I'd have thought that to be highly possible. Not many of us get to ride bents for any length of time in those kind of conditions - roads normally starts going up at some point :-). Where Kurt is at the moment, it's recumbent paradise out there. Where Steve is ?....nah, not such an obvious choice.

It just goes to show what kind of athlete Kurt is though, because looking at how he was riding that recumbent first of all, he didn't look that great, but he seems to be doing perfectly ok now!

I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 28 January, 2015, 11:44:28 pm
He's over 240 miles now.... respect!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 12:07:29 am
Looks like Kurt might have stopped for the day. Tracker says 247 miles, so presumably he made his 250. That's quite a day's riding - all at speed too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 29 January, 2015, 12:36:46 am
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5c/d8/97/5cd897b9d4599c90ef2102d0327ff0d0.jpg)

"Hey Kurt, where the hell are ya? The missus and me has burnt through five whole packets of cigarettes and three bottles of whisky sitting at the bar all day worried about you riding that stupid god awful recumbent all over the place.
Got Tommy's bike here with me now. Had it shipped over specially for you coming down. She's a beaut. You're gonna love riding it. Hey Kurt, don't know if you've seen the papers, but they're all getting really mad at you over in England. This guy Toothwinder's really got 'em singing. We can't afford another war you know? 
Hey?.....what did you say?.....yeah, yeah ok....I hear you.....alright we'll be in the bar, we ain't moving, see you down there."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 29 January, 2015, 12:38:57 am
;D

I hope it's not like the movie Key Largo for him. Hurricanes, mobsters and Edward G Robinson - mechanicals would be the least of his worries.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 January, 2015, 02:08:22 am
2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?

I'm quite surprised it's allowed when you consider that most USA endurance cycling events (RAAM, and other 500-mile and 24-hour TTs) restrict riders to uprights. I had a look through the UMCA rules for a few of their other events and challenges and those always make a separate class for recumbents. Just not for HAM'R. Perhaps we should introduce Teethgrinder to Mike Burrows  :demon:

The results section of RAAM's webby SCIENCE sucks donkey balls but when Barbara Buatois finished about eighteen hours ahead of the nearest upright lady in 2010 AFAIK she was credited with the outright win as well as the recumbent class one.

She has yet to make good on her threat to ride RAAM fully-faired though chiz.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 January, 2015, 02:23:30 am
I had a look this morning at Kurt's ride on Strava, from Polk City, and I've had Polk Salad Annie going round my head most of the day :thumbsup:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRF24LY5pvw

I've got a similar thing going on with 'Raleigh' for Steve, 'Promised Land' is one, I like the Johnnie Allan version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG8rG9RhnhY

'Night Train' by James Brown is another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AckXD0Rl6vw&list=RDAckXD0Rl6vw#t=16
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2015, 04:57:57 am
Intimidating riding.  Exactly what he needs to be doing, to try and break Steve's resolve.  Steve and his team just need to ride out the storm, focussing on their own plan and ignoring Kurt as much as possible.  But by golly, two days of serious intent right there for all to see.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 29 January, 2015, 05:35:15 am
https://www.strava.com/activities/247564434 >400km in < 13 hours elapsed. Sure, tailwind, sure all downhill.  It'd still be the highlight of my cycling career to thump out just that one day, never mind the other 364 days.
It'll be really interesting to see how far this can go if he starts increasing the hours on the bike too...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 05:56:27 am
Stunning ride. Av. heartbeat less than 100. Looks like the biggest hills of the day were the bridges!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 29 January, 2015, 06:43:06 am
Intimidating riding.  Exactly what he needs to be doing, to try and break Steve's resolve.  Steve and his team just need to ride out the storm, focussing on their own plan and ignoring Kurt as much as possible.  But by golly, two days of serious intent right there for all to see.

Yes, however still eleven months to go and even if Kurt pulls well ahead a lot could happen;just so important Steve concentrate on HIS riding v Tommy G and not get distracted so early on by Kurts riding.

AFAIK Steve is attempting the TG year record, not a competition with Tarzan ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2015, 07:19:13 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 29 January, 2015, 07:24:55 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2015, 07:39:01 am
Many of us have, or do, struggle to get around 200km in that time.  One of those rides when you realise how mediocre your own efforts are.  I got the same sense when Hoppo did an Easter Dart (12 hr solo) and rode 360km.  My arrow team rode the same distance in 22 hours or so.

Tarzan earned his supersized Big Mac meal yesterday.

 :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 29 January, 2015, 07:39:13 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Bloody right.

I've managed 300k in 13 hours but 400k of any route in that time is very impressive.  :o

Chapeau!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 29 January, 2015, 08:04:52 am
Impressive from Kurt.  At ~350m elevation over 400km, that's at least 4x less lumpy than Steve's 1550m over 370km though...   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2015, 08:20:26 am
I rode more climbing than that on my 20 mile post commute ride yesterday  :smug:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 29 January, 2015, 08:25:02 am
Well done Kurt. It's been shown that he may well have a response when BST comes and Steve starts to crank out the longer days and mileage. This has jyst gotten even more interestimg!

As for some of the comments after what was an awesome burn if his average HR was 100. ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 January, 2015, 08:34:15 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Bloody right.

I've managed 300k in 13 hours but 400k of any route in that time is very impressive.  :o

Chapeau!

H

+1  The fastest 400k Audax I've been involved in is the first 400k of the Mille Miglia, ridden mostly in chaingangs on pan flat roads, where the only hills were river and motorway bridges.  I think the fastest AUKers went got ot the 400k control at 14hr 30.  Kurt also got to 400k quicker than I did on my best 24Hr TT.  It ain't a shoddy performance.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 29 January, 2015, 08:47:24 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.

Think on this - there has been no bragging. He's done all his talking on the bike. He's too experienced an athlete to know how things can change.

Also, something else to think about - what Kurt did yesterday, it's Steve's intention to ride that distance, and more, every day for weeks later on in the year. That's the magnitude of the challenge for anybody taking part. Always was.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 29 January, 2015, 08:48:10 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.


Why should he? He's not playing golf...!

He has some advantages just now, and he's playing to them - as he should. When Florida starts heating up - and it will quite soon - and then later starts chucking enormous thunderstorms at him, Steve will (eventually!) have the advantage of the UK's far more benevolent summer. But, whatever the circumstances, that was a mighty impressive day's ride!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: T42 on 29 January, 2015, 08:48:48 am
I've been wondering what he'll do when the hurricane season reaches Florida.  Move over to Tornado Alley?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 29 January, 2015, 09:18:23 am

+1  The fastest 400k Audax I've been involved in is the first 400k of the Mille Miglia, ridden mostly in chaingangs on pan flat roads, where the only hills were river and motorway bridges.  I think the fastest AUKers went got ot the 400k control at 14hr 30.  Kurt also got to 400k quicker than I did on my best 24Hr TT.  It ain't a shoddy performance.

250 miles is a big number to keep the scorecard ticking over rapidly and Kurt has found the right conditions to be able to do it so he deserves the points and the congratulations.  I was more impressed by the heartrate below 100, which suggests he did it without taking too much out of himself, so he may be able to do it again today. 
I recall Kurt has done a similar distance in a 12-hour TT, when he wouldn't have had net wind assistance.  But a UK audax, or even a long TT, are not the right comparisons, not because the riding is far harder, but because we generally do them at a pace that is not sustainable for day after day. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 29 January, 2015, 09:51:01 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 10:31:40 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2015, 10:32:03 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.


Why should he? He's not playing golf...!

He has some advantages just now, and he's playing to them - as he should. When Florida starts heating up - and it will quite soon - and then later starts chucking enormous thunderstorms at him, Steve will (eventually!) have the advantage of the UK's far more benevolent summer. But, whatever the circumstances, that was a mighty impressive day's ride!

Dohhh,,

Its a metaphor.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 29 January, 2015, 10:35:40 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Agreed. And with an average HR < 100. Astonishing!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 29 January, 2015, 10:37:01 am
It was a very good ride. Purely out of interest (not sniping to be clear), I wonder how much of that he did on the bent.

It will also be interesting to see how he backs it up today, or whether it's taken quite a lot out of him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2015, 10:41:35 am
What’s his average Wattage?

If this ain’t much, his HR won’t be much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2015, 10:53:30 am
What is his favourite colour?

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qry9IeJnbNU/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 29 January, 2015, 10:57:38 am
What’s his average Wattage?

If this ain’t much, his HR won’t be much.

We don't know.  Strava is only giving its estimates rather than readings from a power meter.  They will be high because they won't take into account that he's mostly riding downwind.

I did track his average power and energy expended vs Steve for a few days.  It was suggesting that he was taking a fair bit more out of himself than Steve was to ride at his pace.   But I gave up when I realised that the wind thing meant it was probably not a like-for-like comparison.  It would be interesting, if we had the data!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on 29 January, 2015, 11:05:01 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

Pfft! I hit 192 on the 2km between Gartnavel and the Western Infirmary and wasn't trying...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 29 January, 2015, 01:24:35 pm
I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...

I'll also be interested to see that.  My anecdata is that while my overall performance on recumbent and functionally similar  upright is comparable (at standard 1000m/100k hilliness), my heartrate is higher on the upright for the same perceived level of effort.  I have to really work to hit 190BPM on a 'bent.  Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 29 January, 2015, 01:39:10 pm
I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...

I'll also be interested to see that.  My anecdata is that while my overall performance on recumbent and functionally similar  upright is comparable (at standard 1000m/100k hilliness), my heartrate is higher on the upright for the same perceived level of effort.  I have to really work to hit 190BPM on a 'bent.  Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

Freewheel down a known gradient ( through still air ) on the Diamond Frame and note your ‘Equilibrium Velocity’.
Repeat on the recumbent and you’ll find your EV is faster.

This is because the ‘bent has a lower Cd. It will have a lower CdA and therefore require less Watts to maintain a steady speed on the flat.

The Brommie will have a higher Cd again, having a larger X-Section area, cus you’re sat more erect than the Touring DF.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 01:40:18 pm
Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

I've still only ever ridden audaxes on a Brompton. Perhaps some day I should try big wheels and see if it's easier...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 29 January, 2015, 01:40:49 pm
It's the HR average <100 that astounds me.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 01:45:18 pm
Kurt has usually started by now - presumably he's giving himself a lie in after yesterday's exploits.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 01:52:56 pm
Kurt has usually started by now - presumably he's giving himself a lie in after yesterday's exploits.

This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next? Surely 2 days at 180 (360) are better on your body than 1 day at 200 and then struggling to dp 160 the next?  Even if the total mileage is the same.

Vive Plan Teethgrinder!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 29 January, 2015, 01:54:48 pm
Freewheel down a known gradient ( through still air ) on the Diamond Frame and note your ‘Equilibrium Velocity’.
Repeat on the recumbent and you’ll find your EV is faster.

This is because the ‘bent has a lower Cd. It will have a lower CdA and therefore require less Watts to maintain a steady speed on the flat.

The Brommie will have a higher Cd again, having a larger X-Section area, cus you’re sat more erect than the Touring DF.

Well yes, obviously.  That's why recuments are good on the flat.  I think the Brommie's losses over the DF are more from the small wheels (which are truly awful on certain types of road surface), silly suspension and gears-inna-can, though once you do get some speed up it is like riding with a parachute.

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 29 January, 2015, 01:55:34 pm
Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

I've still only ever ridden audaxes on a Brompton. Perhaps some day I should try big wheels and see if it's easier...

It's certainly more comfortable :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2015, 01:58:04 pm
This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next?

Depends what you count as pushing the boat out. I'd say riding for 12 hours at an average heart rate of 94bpm is taking it reasonably easy (notwithstanding that most of us would struggle to cover half the distance at that level of effort).

Still too early to say if there will be any side effects of that ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 01:59:46 pm
This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next?

Depends what you count as pushing the boat out. I'd say riding for 12 hours at an average heart rate of 94bpm is taking it reasonably easy (notwithstanding that most of us would struggle to cover half the distance at that level of effort).

Still too early to say if there will be any side effects of that ride.

Whether he overcooked it or not, he's having a damn good lay-in this morning. Its now 9am and the SPOT hasn't fired up yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2015, 02:08:40 pm
Indeed. Just looked at the weather for Key Largo and it looks like a perfect day for riding (slightly overcast, 16ºC, 1mph wind), which makes the late start seem especially odd.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 02:10:33 pm
He could just be having one of those short days he promised himself at the start.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 29 January, 2015, 02:10:57 pm
It's the HR average <100 that astounds me.

I dread to think how slowly I'd have to cycle to keep my av HR under 100 for any amount of distance*...   My av HR on a 15km commute (with two 'hills' is around) is around 150bpm.

* going to have to give it a go now...  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 02:11:06 pm
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

Pfft! I hit 192 on the 2km between Gartnavel and the Western Infirmary and wasn't trying...

That was just the stress of driving in Glasgow!

;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 02:15:50 pm
Tarzan's tracker has just fired up. 2:15pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 02:16:48 pm
Aye, Vehicle transfer and away.

He has started this late before and still done big mileage not that late.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 02:17:29 pm
Aye, Vehicle transfer and away.

He has started this late before and still done big mileage

He's started a long way from where he finished last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on 29 January, 2015, 03:05:14 pm
He's on the Tamiami Trail, looks like he's done this before flat as a pancake looking at google maps, probably getting the most miles out of his recumbant.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 29 January, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

It could be both but there is certainly a biomechanical element.  People can always get a higher power output in an upright position than on aerobars.  The optimum time trialling position involves some sacrifice of power for greater aerodynamic benefit.

For a time triallist, the trick is to try to narrow the power difference, so that you are able to generate almost as much power in the aerodynamic position.  The way to do it is to do all your training in that position. 

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 04:12:49 pm
He is currently stopped at 31 miles. If you zoom in on the tracker it says 'Alligators'. Hope he hasn't been eaten  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 29 January, 2015, 04:53:01 pm
Someone's been giving him a hard time about vehicle  transfers on Strava comments, and a ride is flagged.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 29 January, 2015, 04:57:20 pm
His ride on the 26 Jan included a (short) transfer - he didn't switch off his GPS device.  All he needs to do is trim the ride into two & get rid of that - surprised he hasn't done it yet.  I presume he'll have to do that to stay within the UMCA rules anyway
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 January, 2015, 04:58:39 pm
Does Tarzan have more than one functional bike at the moment?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 29 January, 2015, 05:38:55 pm
His Faceache page seemed to imply that his Giant (previously taken out of action with a busted derailleur) got mended.  he was setting off on it on the video from the start of his 250 mile day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 05:42:52 pm
His ride on the 26 Jan included a (short) transfer - he didn't switch off his GPS device.  All he needs to do is trim the ride into two & get rid of that - surprised he hasn't done it yet.  I presume he'll have to do that to stay within the UMCA rules anyway

The transfer section isn't included in the recorded distance so the GPS must have been off during  - run the cursor along the profile and watch the map cursor jump across the transfer section with no change in distance at about 173km
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 05:49:02 pm
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 29 January, 2015, 06:00:26 pm
I was just about to say the same thing - if you check the "analysis" page, his speed jumps to ~60mph, while his heart rate drops to ~78 - his lowest during the ride.

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/kurt_transfer.PNG)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 06:02:07 pm
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 29 January, 2015, 06:03:49 pm
That sounds about right.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 06:12:02 pm
On his Garmin page he makes the comment that 101.5-107.5 miles was done in the car (which coincides with 164-173km) - so I assime he's flagged this with UMCA so that they are aware that the strava data is incorrect?

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 29 January, 2015, 06:23:52 pm
On his Garmin page he makes the comment that 101.5-107.5 miles was done in the car (which coincides with 164-173km) - so I assime he's flagged this with UMCA so that they are aware that the strava data is incorrect?

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en

Hopefully! I don't think anyone is suggesting Kurt is trying to cheat - I'm certainly not. It would be awful if one of the riders got in trouble over something silly like that. I thought Strava was the official record. If it is, then it needs sorting out!

Sorry we seem to be having this discussion in two different places.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 29 January, 2015, 07:15:56 pm
It might be a good idea that UMCA allows an x number of days where the strava data can be corrected afterwards. In this way a single omission or error won't endanger the year results but it will keep people focussed on providing correct data. Something like once a month you may be late with uploading or have to correct minor errors on a later day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on 29 January, 2015, 07:33:15 pm
He's on the Tamiami Trail, looks like he's done this before flat as a pancake looking at google maps, probably getting the most miles out of his recumbant.

course its flat, the highest point in the whole state is 345ft above sea level  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 29 January, 2015, 07:34:02 pm
It strikes me as strange that UMCA have introduced rules about `no alcohol` yet here we have a situation where, and in no way am I implying Kurt is cheating, errors in not turning off GPS etc can be added in to daily mileage and then corrected later. I`d have thought UMCA should really tighten up on this to avoid future complications-

-AND AFAIK Steve seems to be doing the riding in a very true spirited way , I`ve not seen any vehicle transfers to `easier` terrain , instead  Steve is slogging it out in some really difficult weather from either MK or a host base. say no more...........
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2015, 07:40:41 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 29 January, 2015, 07:44:30 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

Just S**t loads of Kudos!   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 29 January, 2015, 07:45:07 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

but you would get the honour of being a true British spirit  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on 29 January, 2015, 08:02:45 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

You do. Just that they're not counted by UMCA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 29 January, 2015, 08:03:05 pm
Although it's worth remembering that Tommy Godwin was paced for some of his riding and used trains to travel to wind-favourable start points (but yes, Steve's 'pure' approach appeals to me too).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 29 January, 2015, 08:12:12 pm
I suppose it's the difference in mentality, Kurt is an endurance racing cyclist and Steve an endurance challenge cyclist. I came from a racing background and if I had the ability to go for this record I'd be in Spanish planes or Australia doing 200+ miles with the wind and sleeping in a motorhome whilst being driven back to the same starting point overnight ;)


edit: However, I admire and respect Steve's simple purist approach and hope he's going to be the one who breaks (and holds) the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 29 January, 2015, 08:22:19 pm
-AND AFAIK Steve seems to be doing the riding in a very true spirited way , I`ve not seen any vehicle transfers to `easier` terrain , instead  Steve is slogging it out in some really difficult weather from either MK or a host base. say no more...........

Early days. Just because he's riding in the manner he is at the moment, there is nothing to say that things may not change. All he needs is miles in the bag. Drafting is allowed. I won't tell you where my thinking was taking me the other day - not repeating it here that's for sure ! But you could get very creative in the pursuit of miles. If you wanted too. If it's in the rules, then it's fine.

It's always worth remembering that Tommy G used trains to make use of tailwinds. And that's the rider who they're both looking to beat.

I think we all need to take our Audax Hats off when we're looking at this challenge  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2015, 08:36:01 pm
Quite.

And also remember that Steve's no fool - I suspect his approach is largely dictated by external constraints rather than ideology.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 29 January, 2015, 08:36:53 pm
I don't think Teethgrinder's approach is about purity so much as simplicity.  Trains, planes and automobiles all add complexity and - crucially - uncertainty that he'd rather not have to deal with, which seems like a perfectly valid decision to me.  It doesn't seem unreasonable to sacrifice a headwind for a couple of hours more quality sleep.

ETA: Crosspost with citoyen
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 29 January, 2015, 08:40:25 pm
Complexity, uncertainty... and not forgetting cost, which is a significant factor for Steve as we know from his restrictive catering budget.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 29 January, 2015, 11:08:00 pm
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 January, 2015, 11:28:32 pm
I see Tarzan has (seemingly) finished for the day with the tracker on 134 miles. That would put Steve and him both on about 380 miles each for the two days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 30 January, 2015, 12:10:49 am
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.

Yes. He's done it for years and years and years, obviously not to this magnitude, but he's been chipping away at the endurance block for decades. He's got an intimate knowledge of how his mind and body work with the sport, and all that history is coming into play now.

He's a completely different animal to me. I'd never go anywhere near what he does. I don't have the interest nor the motivation. But nevertheless, I do find what's going on here really quite captivating and inspirational. And to be inspired by anybody, [for me it's both these riders actually], doesn't mean you just copy what they're doing, such inspiration should always be a springboard to go off and do your own thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 30 January, 2015, 12:48:31 am
Another bike broken, from his FB page "Franken bike is now dead. Rear triangle cracked."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2015, 01:32:31 am
Is that the 'bent?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 30 January, 2015, 01:35:40 am
I saw a "Franken bike repaired" message a few days ago after the rear derailleur broke and was repaired. "Franken bike" normally implies use of MTB parts on road bike, IME. (EDIT: yes, Oaky confirmed it's that bike back here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87329.msg1804480#msg1804480))

Anyway, it was this bike:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567764140131960&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater
so not the 'bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 30 January, 2015, 01:47:16 am
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell.

The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on 30 January, 2015, 01:48:13 am
Another bike broken, from his FB page "Franken bike is now dead. Rear triangle cracked."

"Jon Laye: What are you doing to these bikes. I know several carbon frames with tens of thousands of miles and never saw one break

Tarzan Rides the HAM'R Kurt Searvogel: This triangle was previous broken in the same spot -the carbon repair gave out. I also think it has been slightly broken or flexing for a couple of day which cause the derailer to get caught in the spokes."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 30 January, 2015, 01:57:29 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 30 January, 2015, 04:37:32 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

If a carbon repair is done properly, the frame is as good as new.
Check out:-

Carbonbikesolutions.co.uk

He mends frames for BC amongst others. He will look at the break and tell you straight away if its mendable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 30 January, 2015, 07:49:19 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

It might be beyond the realms of liquid metal...

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 30 January, 2015, 07:58:34 am
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell.

Probably depends. When I switch off the GPS and take the train home the small bit from the railway station home starts as a new track on my Etrex.

The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 30 January, 2015, 08:13:18 am
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.

Exactly.

I can't imagine it working any other way but then again, it is only January.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on 30 January, 2015, 09:56:22 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

If a carbon repair is done properly, the frame is as good as new.
Check out:-

Carbonbikesolutions.co.uk

He mends frames for BC amongst others. He will look at the break and tell you straight away if its mendable.

agreed, nothing wrong with repaired carbon frames, I've done 10,000+km on a repaired Cannondale Supersix Hi-Mod
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 30 January, 2015, 02:11:16 pm
The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).

There's an eTrex bug[1] that 'helpfully' connects the dots too (messing up the trip odometer on the unit, as well as the recorded track), so it's not just Strava.


[1] Unless you save the track, the first trackpoint after switch-on is erroneously recorded as the previous location, so you effectively travel the straight-line distance in the first two trackpoints.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2015, 02:34:03 pm

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

I think you breathe more efficiently when upright.
Singers mostly perform standing up.

If you have a heavy belly, it must be lifted with every breath whilst lying down.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 30 January, 2015, 03:32:06 pm

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

I think you breathe more efficiently when upright.
Singers mostly perform standing up.

If you have a heavy belly, it must be lifted with every breath whilst lying down.
As a singer I breathe out (in a careful tense steady sort of way) and relax to breathe in, and yes you need to be upright to work this effectively, although sitting up will also work.  But then we had a voice session once when we sang crawling on all fours, a sort of pre paleo vision.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 30 January, 2015, 03:36:49 pm
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on 30 January, 2015, 03:38:48 pm
At least the belly is free when you are on all fours.

Lying flat on your back increases the work of breathing.

The anaesthetists/intensivists in this parish will know more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2015, 03:51:43 pm
A few years ago Mrs. Wow and I witnessed a performance of Cosi fan Tutte in which the woman playing Despina sung an aria whilst tangled up in a deck chair.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 30 January, 2015, 03:56:14 pm
How on earth did you two get the deckchair into the theatre?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 30 January, 2015, 04:07:04 pm
At least the belly is free when you are on all fours.

Lying flat on your back increases the work of breathing.

The anaesthetists/intensivists in this parish will know more.

Should this be in NSFW?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 January, 2015, 05:59:49 pm
Tarzan appears to be swinging round in small circles today - possibly he doesn't want to stray too far from the nearest bike shop :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 January, 2015, 06:03:28 pm
Tarzan appears to be swinging round in small circles today - possibly he doesn't want to stray too far from the nearest bike shop :demon:

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 30 January, 2015, 06:06:49 pm
Not as small as the circles he was riding yesterday after his bike frame broke.

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/kurt_circles.PNG)

Riding up and down a driveway while he waited for the support vehicle to arrive, I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 30 January, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
Yes well I did wonder if TG wanted to put in some time somewhere like Herne Hill...it has lights now as well
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 January, 2015, 07:48:03 pm
Hernia Hill is a swine to get to thobut - traffic lights and divers Londonton hazards abound.  If a velodrome was called into play I'd contemplate Reading, Welwyn or even Scunthorpe, though I don't know about lights at these places.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 30 January, 2015, 08:18:39 pm
I wonder how far Kurt has actually been today. All that going round and round in circles makes the trackers very inaccurate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 30 January, 2015, 09:18:53 pm
Two things strike me after watching his videos on FB:

1. He always seems to be next to a hideously  busy and noisy road.  Not my image of a peaceful rural Florida at all.

2. He seems to be a really nice chap.  Which is a shame  :D

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 30 January, 2015, 10:13:33 pm
Hernia Hill is a swine to get to thobut - traffic lights and divers Londonton hazards abound. 

I'd be happy to take him to Herne Hill from somewhere more rural.  Happy also to stick him and bike into the back of my cab when he's finished for the day: and run him somewhere out of London, perhaps to a host [can't offer hosting myself unfortunately] or back to MK. 

I don't know the practicalities of it but the offer is there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 30 January, 2015, 10:57:40 pm
Two things strike me after watching his videos on FB:

1. He always seems to be next to a hideously  busy and noisy road.  Not my image of a peaceful rural Florida at all.

2. He seems to be a really nice chap.  Which is a shame  :D

Bryn

Today he seems to have been doing a lot of riding up and down the same bit of road. Also seems to have spent some time on the Legacy Trail cycle track.


http://goo.gl/maps/7n05s (http://goo.gl/maps/7n05s)

Impressive looking cycle/foot bridge

http://goo.gl/maps/G63Hp (http://goo.gl/maps/G63Hp)

Then suddenly he's turned east and he's off at a fair rate of knots.

I must admit I was quite happy to not like him, but I've warmed to him a bit. He comes across quite well and to be fair he has had a fair number of problems to overcome.

Despite that - COME ON STEVE !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 31 January, 2015, 12:56:39 am
Another 200+ miles in the bank.

GO TARZAN
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 31 January, 2015, 09:16:43 am
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
I'm sure I read somewhere that your heart rate drops in a TT or bent position on a bike due to the lower pumping required to get blood to your head. If Kurt and Steves heart rates drop anymore they will turn blue!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 31 January, 2015, 09:36:31 am
Another 200+ miles in the bank.

GO TARZAN

Our very own YACF Tarzanite!    :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on 31 January, 2015, 09:38:28 am
Is there a Yank-based forum where the Merkins are watching and commentating? Is Kurt getting the same level of online support that Steve is here?

Not that I'm partisan. I want them both to do well. (But Steve to do a bit better).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 31 January, 2015, 09:41:17 am
Not that I've found. There may well be some Facebook crap but I'm never going there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 31 January, 2015, 09:45:24 am
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 31 January, 2015, 09:53:56 am
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
I'm sure I read somewhere that your heart rate drops in a TT or bent position on a bike due to the lower pumping required to get blood to your head. If Kurt and Steves heart rates drop anymore they will turn blue!

Much easier to fill your lungs on a bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 31 January, 2015, 09:56:03 am
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240.html
(steady dribble of posts, inc a UMCA rep)


I would say facebook traffic is quiet (compared to UK-side), at least on Kurt's page. I haven't seen any chatter on the US audax pages.

It defintely feels like Stve has much the bigger following.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 31 January, 2015, 12:07:54 pm
I am generally bemused about why Kurt has so few people giving him kudos on Strava or liking his FB updates.  It almost feels like the cycling/Strava "community" is no such thing, but simply the Metu tribe who have bought into the notion that Steve is doing this "properly" whilst Kurt is the anti-hero trying to steal the rightful crown.  Which is just not a worldview I can agree with.

Go Kurt and Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 31 January, 2015, 12:14:25 pm
I've ridden lots with Steve but never heard of Kurt before late last year. I have philosophical preferences as to how some things should be done, regardless of the rules. Who do you think I am going to support?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 31 January, 2015, 12:33:01 pm
Ignorant is not applicable. You are welcome to the rest of your opinions.

EDIT: This is meaningless, because of a deleted post
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on 31 January, 2015, 12:56:22 pm
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.

Strava is very popular in the UK, check out the global heat map

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-99.37940/50.51834/blue/bike

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 31 January, 2015, 01:04:59 pm
I've ridden lots with Steve but never heard of Kurt before late last year. I have philosophical preferences as to how some things should be done, regardless of the rules. Who do you think I am going to support?

(this isn't directed at you)

I am also supporting Steve, particularly in his goal to achieve his (presumably) primary goal of exceeding Tommy's annual mileage (I'm less passionate about whether or not he exceeds Kurt's total, it's more of a mild preference).  I have "liked" and given kudos to Kurt, in recognition of his performance.  I don't believe these things are mutually exclusive and would have hoped others were grown up enough to do the same.  Both are doing exceptional things day-in day-out and neither have an exclusive right to win the HAM'R "time trial".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 31 January, 2015, 01:06:17 pm
P.S Who are the Metu tribe?

Say it out loud...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 31 January, 2015, 02:40:54 pm
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.

Strava is very popular in the UK, check out the global heat map

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-99.37940/50.51834/blue/bike
it will be TG that has caused that surge in the UK heatmap then?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 31 January, 2015, 03:09:07 pm
Can we move a discussion about what is acceptable language on the forum to a different place so as not to distract from discussion about Kurt's ride please?

Agree

I think that's gone a bit wrong...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: C-3PO on 31 January, 2015, 03:15:14 pm
I don't understand? It was the discussion on acceptable language that needed to be split from the thread it was moving off topic - not the discussion on 'Tarzan' ???

I'm sure it was a genuine mistake, made by a newbie mod who isn't familiar with the function, and will be rectified just as soon as they work out what button to press.

Indeed  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 31 January, 2015, 03:17:44 pm
Thank you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2015, 12:36:58 am
Tarzan seems to have travelled an awful long way today, but it would appear that he has had another vehicle ride incorporated into the track, after track point no 100. Does that shift count as miles until he bungs it into Strava?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 12:51:45 am
As long as his GPS is turned off it it won't show as distance - but there will be track joining the 2 points from when it was turned off to when it was turned back on
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2015, 12:55:23 am
There were three tack points almost one on top of the others. I could click on nos 100 and 102but not 101. The location of 102 was an RV trailer park, which is presumably where he is spending tonight, but it would appear that they have parked the bus for the night and he has gone for a few extra miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 February, 2015, 01:53:04 am
I am generally bemused about why Kurt has so few people giving him kudos on Strava or liking his FB updates.  It almost feels like the cycling/Strava "community" is no such thing, but simply the Metu tribe who have bought into the notion that Steve is doing this "properly" whilst Kurt is the anti-hero trying to steal the rightful crown.  Which is just not a worldview I can agree with.

Go Kurt and Steve

You won't catch me "liking" anything or anybody on the property of the Mega-Global Walled Garden Corporation of Menlo Park, USAnia and when all is said and done, Tarzan is either a FOREIGN or a member of the House of Lords.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 01 February, 2015, 03:33:52 pm
Kurt finally seems to be moving today, some 3 hours or more after his tracker was first turned on. Not sure what's going on there  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 February, 2015, 04:46:27 pm
And now it hasn't updated for fifteen minutes.  More mechanicals?  I guess we'll have to wait until his Mega-Global Walled Garden Corporation of Menlo Park, USAnia page gets updated chiz.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 01 February, 2015, 05:25:55 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 01 February, 2015, 05:29:38 pm
Was worried for a while.  It doesn't exactly say "Here be Alligators" on the map where he stopped, but "Gator Creek Drive" was just a few streets away!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 01 February, 2015, 06:07:34 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 01 February, 2015, 06:13:58 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate


Doesn`t Steve do lots km out into headwinds then ???? ::-) ::-) So getting transfer is a bit===IMHO OFF  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 February, 2015, 06:19:07 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 06:24:50 pm
^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 01 February, 2015, 06:30:30 pm
Right....who's going to buy Steve an overnight sleeper train ticket to Scotland so that he can benefit from a huge distance day with strong northerly winds blowing him home ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2015, 06:32:08 pm
Rools is rools, innit.

There's clearly such a huge difference between their approaches that, if this were the sort of event in which more people were likely to take part, there would probably be separate categories for "unsupported", "supported", "downhill supported", "wind-assisted supported", "multi-bike supported" and so on. As it is, assuming that one of these guys pushes the record up to near the 90,000 mile mark, challengers will be so few and far between that it will probably stand for ever.

Having said that,

Come on Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 01 February, 2015, 06:35:31 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate

Yes, and here's how [wind assuming] (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@27.325872,-81.89214,3a,75y,345.03h,81.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sg3yS5s5r2LCPnLZrSLu-PQ!2e0?hl=en)...
and it keeps going...on and on...for a few miles yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 01 February, 2015, 06:46:19 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 01 February, 2015, 07:08:50 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940

Interesting.  I was first told this story (by someone who had done sports science at Loughborough if that narrows it down) sitting in a cafe on the quay at Dieppe many years ago after one of Neville's Dieppe Raids and have always remembered it since, even if I had forgotten Godwin's name.  Like all the best stories, it sounds good enough to be true even if it isn't.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 07:33:02 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940

If that's the case I stand corrected - I haven't read everything on Tommy Godwin, I was repeating other comments from this forum.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 01 February, 2015, 07:35:59 pm
It reminds me of the other myth I've heard that he drafted lorries. Think of the logistics involved, it's just not worth it in the end. I'm certain he did the vast majority of his riding in the Stoke - London corridor. Many of his days were 16 hours+ leaving little room for train ticket purchase, collection, arrival at the right time for the train etc..
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2015, 08:33:18 pm
One way to find out would be from the 'Cycling' check cards, they'd reveal any transfers.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 01 February, 2015, 08:45:44 pm
Were lorries not speed limited pre war? I seem to remember reading that they were limited to 40mph tops. So drafting, if this is the case, would not be that improbable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 February, 2015, 08:49:31 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
Were lorries not speed limited pre war? I seem to remember reading that they were limited to 40mph tops. So drafting, if this is the case, would not be that improbable.

20 mph, or evens as it's known. In the immediate post-war period my Dad tells of riding up the A6 to the Kendal behind lorries. It was easier than trying to overtake them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on 01 February, 2015, 08:53:42 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.

It is a cycling challenge but it should be entered on as much a like-for-like basis as possible. Granted, both riders live a few thousand miles apart.

I spent a good few miles this morning musing on whether it was an even contest if one rider uses a recumbent to save his legs and backside, while the other grins and bears it and just gets on with the job. I know who has my respect.

As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 01 February, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

I suspect Godwin didn't use disc brakes, tubeless tyres, a GPS, or a heart monitor either. He didn't even use sausages.. It's clearly not going to be an equal contest on equipment between now and then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 01 February, 2015, 09:05:41 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.

It is a cycling challenge but it should be entered on as much a like-for-like basis as possible. Granted, both riders live a few thousand miles apart.

I spent a good few miles this morning musing on whether it was an even contest if one rider uses a recumbent to save his legs and backside, while the other grins and bears it and just gets on with the job. I know who has my respect.

As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.
Absolutely agree.  The rules are flawed as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 February, 2015, 09:08:47 pm
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

Kurt is doing better than Steve and at the moment looks favourite to win the UMCA race.  I still think Steve can do it, and hope he does, but those 20 miles or so a day that Tarzan is laying into Steve add up. No amount of bleating about relative conditions or values will change what will go in the history books.  Only supreme effort and determination, and some good fortune, will.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 February, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
Bear in mind that Steve agreed the rules.  Flawed they may be, but they are how the challenge has been framed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 01 February, 2015, 09:16:16 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.

A lot of heavily-laden lorries would have had trouble making 30mph back in those days. Casual drafting would have been entirely possible, just from passing traffic.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 01 February, 2015, 09:16:55 pm
As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

Yeah, but though....although logistically it would have been quite an undertaking, Steve, had he wanted to, could have easily transferred to somewhere warmer in France [plenty of flat [as well as hilly] terrain over there] and ridden a lightweight recumbent. But I'd bet any money that he wouldn't have been in the slightest bit interested in doing so. It's just not what he knows. It's outside his normal frame of reference. But it should be made clear that the option was always available to him. Kurt's just decided to ride one [having ridden little dark side before by the looks of it].
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 01 February, 2015, 09:18:46 pm
Just to get some more practical things about this debate, if Steve decides to ride north after PBP I'm willing to assist in drumming up local support. A ride from Paris to Hoek van Holland and the night ferry back should give him as much miles as flying home directly after PBP.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 01 February, 2015, 09:26:09 pm
Bear in mind that Steve agreed the rules.  Flawed they may be, but they are how the challenge has been framed.
:-*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: αdαmsκι on 01 February, 2015, 09:28:24 pm
Just to get some more practical things about this debate, if Steve decides to ride north after PBP I'm willing to assist in drumming up local support. A ride from Paris to Hoek van Holland and the night ferry back should give him as much miles as flying home directly after PBP.

Make him do an anticlockwise lap of the IJsselmeer as well for some bonus flat miles :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Revellinho on 01 February, 2015, 09:49:22 pm
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

Kurt is doing better than Steve and at the moment looks favourite to win the UMCA race.  I still think Steve can do it, and hope he does, but those 20 miles or so a day that Tarzan is laying into Steve add up. No amount of bleating about relative conditions or values will change what will go in the history books.  Only supreme effort and determination, and some good fortune, will.

Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2015, 09:50:01 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.

A lot of heavily-laden lorries would have had trouble making 30mph back in those days. Casual drafting would have been entirely possible, just from passing traffic.

Lorries with an unladen weight over two and a half tons were limited to 20mph until 1957. That was widely ignored by then, but brakes had caught up.
http://www.rchs.org.uk/trial/4-2%20Road%20haulage.pdf
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 01 February, 2015, 09:57:42 pm
It's not the speed of lorries, it's the logistics of tagging on to them along with them sharing your route and plans. I've drafted many things over the years not one of them has consistently gone where I wanted to. The idea that Godwin spent a large proportion of his time behind them is absurd. Maybe the odd few miles when opportunity presents.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 01 February, 2015, 09:57:48 pm
Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Yeah, the whole thing forever hangs in the balance for both of them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 February, 2015, 10:14:12 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2015, 10:15:01 pm
It's not the speed of lorries, it's the logistics of tagging on to them along with them sharing your route and plans. I've drafted many things over the years not one of them has consistently gone where I wanted to. The idea that Godwin spent a large proportion of his time behind them is absurd. Maybe the odd few miles when opportunity presents.

The trunk routes were well used, and had lots of transport cafes. A rider is much more likely to encounter lorries when slowed down by a headwind, as the relative speeds are bigger.
I've got a 1950 AA Book of the Road, which has long lists of itineraries, avoiding major towns where possible. I'd be interested to see a 1939 version.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 10:22:36 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)

Still 'bikes' tho' - the UCI don't allow recumbents for the hour.  Distance records such as the end to end have separate classifications for bicycle (Gethin Butler) and recumbent (Andy Wilkinson) ;)

Would be good to see somebody go for the year record on 'Old Faithful'  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 01 February, 2015, 10:25:42 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)

You can use a recumbent to play cricket  ??? and what the hell is the UCI? I thought it was a pharmacy in Paris.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2015, 10:25:58 pm
There's a film of the North Road in 1939 on Youtube, some surprisingly good surfaces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D0tR9mAV8A
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 February, 2015, 10:29:15 pm
Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Yeah, the whole thing forever hangs in the balance for both of them.

Exactly. That they have both kept going at the rate they have for 32 and 22 days respectively is in itself remarkable. The drastic failure of two of Kurt's bikes in that time is probably just a coincidence, but the Floridian drivers have already inflicted road rash on him. They are both susceptible to wear-and-tear injuries as well.

In a sense, it's like watching a cricket match in which the side batting last has an enormous total to reach on a very dodgy wicket and either batsman could be dismissed at any moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 01 February, 2015, 10:29:56 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 10:30:40 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)


You can use a recumbent to play cricket  ??? and what the hell is the UCI? I thought it was a pharmacy in Paris.

Not Paris,  it's a pharmacy in Aigle, Switzerland
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 10:34:21 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans when out training in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 February, 2015, 10:40:48 pm
I would imagine banning recumbents was considered impractical, as it would be very difficult to monitor reliably.  It surprised me that the UMCA didn't try to do so, however, given they run RAAM and that (aiui) forbids bewheeled hammocks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 February, 2015, 10:42:45 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 10:44:21 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.

I have no problem with categories.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 01 February, 2015, 10:45:23 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 01 February, 2015, 10:46:20 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.

Thanks for clarifying  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 February, 2015, 10:51:16 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.

Engers was well known for his 'drafting' skills - I learnt a few tricks of my own too ;)

When something this big (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426285_10153019121497486_2749497072499463818_n.jpg?oh=2e1c4af66065c686c080aee167959a97&oe=55223D7E) passes, you have to take advantage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 01 February, 2015, 11:38:05 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.

Engers was well known for his 'drafting' skills - I learnt a few tricks of my own too ;)

When something this big (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426285_10153019121497486_2749497072499463818_n.jpg?oh=2e1c4af66065c686c080aee167959a97&oe=55223D7E) passes, you have to take advantage.

Especially if the brake cables have been chewed though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 February, 2015, 12:22:56 am
I would imagine banning recumbents was considered impractical, as it would be very difficult to monitor reliably.  It surprised me that the UMCA didn't try to do so, however, given they run RAAM and that (aiui) forbids bewheeled hammocks.

Having finally managed to navigate RAAM's labyrinthine webby SCIENCE it would seem that Barbara Buatois is indeed credited with overall victory in the women's division of the 2010 race.

I'm fairly sure that RAAM is run by a separate organisation though the founders of UMCA are all RAAM veterans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 02 February, 2015, 12:31:59 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution, rather than, say, carbon fibre or dérailleur gears or tri-bars or pneumatic tyres, or any of the myriad other things that might give cyclists advantages under the right conditions.  To say nothing of the enormous scope for manipulating the conditions that's possible within the agreed rules.

Anyone suggesting that it's because "recumbents are easier" should go and do 205 miles a day on one to prove that point.

Anyone suggesting that this is in fact a saddle sores competition, well, "GO TEETHGRINDER!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 02 February, 2015, 01:01:25 am
After his late start, it looks like Kurt has perhaps finally called it a day. Not sure how far he's been - I don't trust any of the trackers today as I think he did some going round in circles near the start, and that causes them to underestimate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 02 February, 2015, 01:02:16 am
205.9 miles in fact - much more than the tracker suggests.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 02 February, 2015, 01:31:31 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 February, 2015, 06:58:53 am
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 
What I see is a lot of people who take your view about uprights-vs-bents, AND who are enthusiastic Steve fans.

And I see YOU ragging on these people purely for the offence of being Steve fans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 02 February, 2015, 07:12:54 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
The main reason that recumbents have a different category of racing is that they have different riding and aerodynamic characteristics. They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight. On the flat they can be much faster because the force of wind resisting a rider is proportional to the square of the speed and the largest factor is the frontal area. This is why tri bars are popular and one of the two reasons why Steve is using them (the other been comfort). Kurt has access to large very flat lands and a recumbent could provide a significant speed advantage. Personally I think it was a mistake to allow recumbents to be included in the record attempt. But I am not on the committee that decided the rules.

Link that explains wind resistance http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm)

BB
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2015, 07:28:59 am
Yes, some bikes are more aerodynamic than others. We know that already. That doesn't really answer the question why some types of bike are deemed unfair - I bet Kurt's Cervelo is more aerodynamic than Steve's Raleigh but no one has objected to that. In the absence of a cogent argument otherwise, I'll have to assume it's just irrational prejudice against difference.

You'll note that things like fairings are banned, since they are deemed to provide *too much* advantage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 02 February, 2015, 07:46:25 am
Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

^^ Yes, this. It's possible to be an enthusiastic fan of Steve without whining constantly about Kurt using what he thinks are the best bikes and conditions available to him within the rules. Steve is doing the same - he's just making different choices. Perhaps we'll see who chose more wisely later in the year, though I worry it'll actually be luck and injury-freeness that chooses between them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 02 February, 2015, 07:47:36 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution, rather than, say, carbon fibre or dérailleur gears or tri-bars or pneumatic tyres, or ...

...or aerobars?

Neither are allowed in road racing but both give an aerodynamic advantage. 

I agree that it's not obvious why the line should be drawn specifically at recumbents for this competition.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 02 February, 2015, 07:55:01 am
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 
What I see is a lot of people who take your view about uprights-vs-bents, AND who are enthusiastic Steve fans.

And I see YOU ragging on these people purely for the offence of being Steve fans.

Putting aside your rudeness of a virtual jab of the finger implied by your response, I'll simply point out that it is possible to be a Steve fan without harping on about or criticising Kurt for every choice he makes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2015, 07:57:11 am
Aerobars are banned from road racing on not entirely unreasonable safety grounds but are allowed in ITTs.

Recumbents aren't even allowed in ITTs. Maybe they should be?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 02 February, 2015, 08:08:32 am
I read one report about recumbents in RRs and it said about the safety of forward projecting cranks and pedals being ‘too dangerous’ in a multi rider crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 02 February, 2015, 08:10:28 am
Yes, that's why aerobars are banned too, but what about ITTs?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 02 February, 2015, 09:21:43 am
Survival of the fitness and adapted to your environment - that's what these two riders are both doing in their own necessary individual ways.
If recumbents are allowed - that's the way it is, get over it. It's hardly Florida, and it could get boring, but Steve could of course be using one up and down the flatlands of Lincolnshire later in the spring/summer had he so desired, but like I said earlier, I doubt the thought crossed his mind. He's just doesn't seem interested. But this option is open to him too.

The only way to get a level playing field is to ride the same bikes, on the same roads in the same country and the same day at the same times, eat the same food, sleep the same hours....and on and on. Otherwise - there will always be disparities - if you want to find them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 02 February, 2015, 09:37:07 am
Steve could have ridden recumbent but decided not to as he's not used to riding one.
Last year he rode 50+ miles from Cambridge to MK on the back of my tandem, within 2 miles his heart rate reached 180bpm (IIRC?) we were going at a good speed uphill mind you!
He said elsewhere on here that it would take a while to get his muscles used to it and that is time wasted that he could be riding further on his own bike.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2015, 09:37:25 am
The online extracts of the 'Unsurpassed' book point out that the competing teams called a truce at the end of July over the use of pacers, manufacturers wanted to limit the expense of employing professionals.
Tommy moved to Ireland on the outbreak of war, but didn't like the roads.
Raleigh made fuzes during the war, but bicycle manufacture continued in Ireland.

http://www.mousehold-press.co.uk/detail_tommy_godwin.cfm

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During the Second World War, the Raleigh factory in Nottingham was used for the production of fuzes. Bicycle production was reduced to approximately 5% of its peacetime capacity.[15]

In 1939 Raleigh opened a bicycle factory at 6 Hanover Quay, Dublin, Ireland and commenced bicycle production there. The Raleigh (Ireland) business expanded and moved to 8–11 Hanover Quay, Dublin in 1943. The plant produced complete bicycles and Sturmey-Archer hubs, and remained in production until 1976, when the factory burned down. Models produced there latterly were the Chopper and Triumph 20. The head badges changed in the late 1960s, possibly after the passing of the Trade Descriptions Act in the UK. Dublin-made machines no longer had "Nottingham England" on the Heron or Triumph head badge, the panel being left blank instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 02 February, 2015, 12:04:34 pm
The online extracts of the 'Unsurpassed' book point out that the competing teams called a truce at the end of July over the use of pacers, manufacturers wanted to limit the expense of employing professionals.
Tommy moved to Ireland on the outbreak of war, but didn't like the roads.
Raleigh made fuzes during the war, but bicycle manufacture continued in Ireland.

http://www.mousehold-press.co.uk/detail_tommy_godwin.cfm

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During the Second World War, the Raleigh factory in Nottingham was used for the production of fuzes. Bicycle production was reduced to approximately 5% of its peacetime capacity.[15]

In 1939 Raleigh opened a bicycle factory at 6 Hanover Quay, Dublin, Ireland and commenced bicycle production there. The Raleigh (Ireland) business expanded and moved to 8–11 Hanover Quay, Dublin in 1943. The plant produced complete bicycles and Sturmey-Archer hubs, and remained in production until 1976, when the factory burned down. Models produced there latterly were the Chopper and Triumph 20. The head badges changed in the late 1960s, possibly after the passing of the Trade Descriptions Act in the UK. Dublin-made machines no longer had "Nottingham England" on the Heron or Triumph head badge, the panel being left blank instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company

That is ace, thanks for digging it out. I have discussed the Ireland story with Godfrey and asked him where his source was, as I could not see a logical gap in Godwin's mileage when he transferred over and could not find any newspaper reports. Godfrey gave me a single clipping that he had stating that Godwin had spent time in Ireland, but no details. But your point about Raleigh shows a motive and possibly some logistics as Raleigh could have organised it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 February, 2015, 12:10:00 pm
Have a chat to Tony Hadland about the Irish connection. He recently wrote a comprehensive Raleigh history and assisted Steve's sponsorship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 02 February, 2015, 12:29:18 pm
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j433/Lighthorse2/Steve%20certificate_zpslycenxur.jpg) (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/Lighthorse2/media/Steve%20certificate_zpslycenxur.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 02 February, 2015, 12:48:40 pm
Kurt has started up for the day, heading West from where he finished last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2015, 12:53:56 pm
He must like that stretch of road. He's been up and down it about 6 times so far, according to the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 02 February, 2015, 01:35:47 pm
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
The main reason that recumbents have a different category of racing is that they have different riding and aerodynamic characteristics. They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight. On the flat they can be much faster because the force of wind resisting a rider is proportional to the square of the speed and the largest factor is the frontal area. This is why tri bars are popular and one of the two reasons why Steve is using them (the other been comfort). Kurt has access to large very flat lands and a recumbent could provide a significant speed advantage. Personally I think it was a mistake to allow recumbents to be included in the record attempt. But I am not on the committee that decided the rules.

Link that explains wind resistance http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm)

BB

Wrong.
http://members.home.nl/vd.kraats/recumbent/pedal.html#Pedal pressure by leg weight


And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 02 February, 2015, 01:41:51 pm
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.

It all started with the hour record getting smashed by a guy on a recumbent and ended with a corrupt UCI being lobbied by the DF bike market. The rest is history which is a real shame because if recumbents were to become mainstream the advances that could be made with developments by the big bike companies regarding human ergonomics and kinetics could be ten fold. Cycling really would become a pleasure rather than trying to cure various aches and pains after x amount of miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 02 February, 2015, 01:43:19 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 02 February, 2015, 01:50:16 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 February, 2015, 01:53:52 pm
Steve's bike is not far short of 30lb loaded anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 02 February, 2015, 02:01:47 pm
Good going if it's under, I'd have thought: loaded, my audax bike's knocking on 40 ... (38ish I think, though admittedly that's with full bottles and I carry too much crap. Nothing like the electronic array he has, though.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew_s on 02 February, 2015, 02:10:03 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 02 February, 2015, 02:30:19 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

Apologies in advance, but ever since Deano mentioned this yesterday, the only person I can see in this scenario peddling like the clappers to keep up...is Norman Wisdom. In black and white too.
How do you remove images from the mind?
Amusing tale though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2015, 02:32:13 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...

A Raleigh Record Ace could weigh as little as 19 and a half pounds in Road Racing trim, obviously heavier with a 4 speed hub. Seeing Tarzan on the current Raleigh USA Record Ace would be interesting.

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/286349/29241061/in/album/589379

Nice article about the RRA.
http://www.ipernity.com/blog/286349/633421
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 February, 2015, 02:42:28 pm
I apologise for adding any fuel to the fire of recumbent debate.

Can we pleeeease talk about something else now? Let me think ...

How old is this "Alicia"?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 February, 2015, 02:43:35 pm
Perhaps a couple of these diversions could be sliced off into their own threads?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 02 February, 2015, 06:38:05 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

Apologies in advance, but ever since Deano mentioned this yesterday, the only person I can see in this scenario peddling like the clappers to keep up...is Norman Wisdom. In black and white too.
How do you remove images from the mind?
Amusing tale though.

Nope.

A dim bloke in a rain mac and a beret screaming " Ohhh Betty!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 02 February, 2015, 07:46:17 pm
;D

Nah, Bunbury's the Frank Spencer of cycling. I gave him that title years ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 02 February, 2015, 07:47:07 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt - but his stories do get taller as the years go by :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 02 February, 2015, 07:55:22 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt - but his stories do get taller as the years go by :)

In my misspent youth I got a right rollicking from a police officer, after he pulled in the lorry I was draughting behind for doing 42 in a 30 zone. As a callow 19 year old I was 'well chuffed'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on 02 February, 2015, 11:30:18 pm

In my misspent youth I got a right rollicking from a police officer, after he pulled in the lorry I was draughting behind for doing 42 in a 30 zone. As a callow 19 year old I was 'well chuffed'

Was Peter Yates watching?  That's almost what happens in Breaking Away (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078902/) (except IIRC the truck was doing 60)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 03 February, 2015, 01:21:31 am
Another 200+ day and a sly dig made in the latest fb video.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 03 February, 2015, 06:55:08 am
Another 200+ day and a sly dig made in the latest fb video.

at least it's properly uploaded now, as two different sections.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 03 February, 2015, 08:52:02 am
A sly dig at what / whom ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 03 February, 2015, 09:22:24 am
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 03 February, 2015, 09:30:40 am
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Aunt Maud on 03 February, 2015, 09:42:04 am
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

Shame, he seems to have attracted the trolls.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 03 February, 2015, 09:45:13 am
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.

I fully agree but the negative comments must grate somewhat when you're out every day putting in the miles .


Paul

edit for spelling
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 03 February, 2015, 09:52:01 am
No need for that kind of thing.  Glad Kurt is treating it with his usual good humour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 03 February, 2015, 09:52:04 am
Agreed. Kurt doesn't deserve the sniping, he is going about things in accordance with the rules and quite intelligently. I still prefer Steve's approach, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 03 February, 2015, 09:55:44 am
Oh yes.  I am biased.  I know Steve, and know how big hearted a chap he is.  I want him to succeed, and not just hold the record for a few days till Kurt finishes.  I think Steve is riding this with a well-thought out plan, and I like the style in which he is doing this.

But Kurt is a contender, and is very resilient.  And I have respect for anyone who can bang out those distances day after day, whatever the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 03 February, 2015, 12:55:38 pm
https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/events/2015/february/launch-falcon9-dscovr.aspx

What Kurt might arrange to be near. Lucky sod.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2015, 01:14:06 pm
My father's cousin lived in Cocoa, Florida. He used to have a very good view of anything that took off from there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 03 February, 2015, 02:55:59 pm
https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/events/2015/february/launch-falcon9-dscovr.aspx

What Kurt might arrange to be near. Lucky sod.

The vibrations are incredible and can be felt for miles. KNowning kurts luck, it'll crack a frame or something
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 03 February, 2015, 04:33:44 pm
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.

I fully agree but the negative comments must grate somewhat when you're out every day putting in the miles .


Paul

edit for spelling

Knowing Kurt, I'm positive that he's feeding off all the negative comments.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 03 February, 2015, 07:47:59 pm
According to fb he's had Garmin problems :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 03 February, 2015, 07:57:10 pm
Given the incredible shifts he's putting in (and lets be honest , only those NOT riding 200 miles a day are having a real go at him) I would not wish him ill.

Given his appalling run of 'luck' it looks like it would not be needed anyhow








P.s.  GO STEVE!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 03 February, 2015, 08:28:14 pm
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

If it's that easy, why aren't these detractors having a go at it?

I don't care if Kurt is cycling slightly downhill with a tailwind: >320k a day, every day,  is still extraordinary.

With respect to Steve, anyone who has ridden over 100 miles in a day in the current weather will respect what he is doing.

H

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on 03 February, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
^^^+1
It takes guts & determination of a higher order than most for both these guys to do what they are doing every day. I for one couldn't do it.

Still want Steve to be victorious though! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 03 February, 2015, 10:08:47 pm
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

If it's that easy, why aren't these detractors having a go at it?

I don't care if Kurt is cycling slightly downhill with a tailwind: >320k a day, every day,  is still extraordinary.

With respect to Steve, anyone who has ridden over 100 miles in a day in the current weather will respect what he is doing.

H


Well said H

I notice from the tracker that he's now passed 5000 miles in 25 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 03 February, 2015, 11:02:33 pm
Wonder how long Tarzan's going to stay in Florida?
What's he got, 4 months decent mild weather before things start to get a bit more unpredictable?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 03 February, 2015, 11:12:43 pm
Looks to be another 200+ mile day - bravo.

On the other had he has a fb message asking if anyone has an Edge 705 that they can sell him. Whether his one is on the blink or if he is looking for a spare I don't know, but being a critical item of kit you'd have thought he would have had a back up.

Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 04 February, 2015, 05:49:28 am
He has only posted 125 miles. Looks like he's had more bad luck.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 04 February, 2015, 06:27:39 am
That was his second ride of the day - the first was 'only' 80 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 04 February, 2015, 06:40:00 am
That was his second ride of the day - the first was 'only' 80 miles.

Oops - missed the first one!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 04 February, 2015, 06:55:50 am
This is the correct way to upload a ride with a transport by car section in the middle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 07:50:49 am
I think the 'transport' might have been a consequence of a Garmin problem this time round?

According to fb he's had Garmin problems :(

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 04 February, 2015, 09:23:54 am
Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:
Spring is when it all really starts - this is just the prelude ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 10:17:32 am




Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:

At current average mileage Kurt will draw level with Steve around the start of May. However the average daily mileage for both riders will start to go up way before then. Neither rider is churning out the 205.6 miles/day needed to take the record. A long way to go yet ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 04 February, 2015, 12:24:59 pm
Anyone else see the FB post about Kirk separating from his wife? Looks like it is to do with his record attempt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 04 February, 2015, 12:26:35 pm
Just seen that myself, seems a bit extreme after 25yrs of marriage  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 04 February, 2015, 12:41:31 pm
No idea about the separation, can't believe that sort of thing would be beamed out over FB.

On another note on his riding schedule he's got down that he is riding the Sebring event which is in a couple of weeks time. He's the overall record holder for the 12hr TT which currently stands at 271 miles. :o. With Sebring being in Florida, it'd be no surprise if he does.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 01:09:15 pm
Anyone else see the FB post about Kirk separating from his wife? Looks like it is to do with his record attempt

Yes, I saw that too.  :(


On another note on his riding schedule he's got down that he is riding the Sebring event which is in a couple of weeks time. He's the overall record holder for the 12hr TT which currently stands at 271 miles. :o. With Sebring being in Florida, it'd be no surprise if he does.

Beryl Burton holds the RTTC 12hr record with 277.25 miles set in 1967
Andy Wilkinson holds the mens with 317.97 set in 2012

But then there's a difference in riding a 12hr tt as a one off, with recovery days to follow, and riding a 12hr TT when you intend to cycle another 12hrs the day after and after and after and....................
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 01:36:40 pm
I expect he posted that on Facebook for clarification and to put an end innuendo and gossip - maybe this has been a topic for discussion elsewhere. But it is very much his own business and personally I would rather see discussion here focus solely on his record attempt, not his personal life, especially as most of us don't know him personally (not that knowing Steve would be an excuse to discuss his personal life either).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 04 February, 2015, 01:43:13 pm
:(  I hope this doesn't affect his ride.  No point in speculating; it's none of our business.  Kurt has chosen to share the information, and that's that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 01:52:21 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.   Plus the comments from his friends are a bit too heavy on the god front for me.   

Seeing as this is a race, and a competition .... I'm not afraid to say it. ..... I hope Steve Abrahams breaks him.   

I think the rules are kind on him anyway.


There is winning, then there is winning the right way!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 04 February, 2015, 01:56:50 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 04 February, 2015, 01:59:58 pm
:(  I hope this doesn't affect his ride.  No point in speculating; it's none of our business.  Kurt has chosen to share the information, and that's that.

+1

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 02:02:13 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.

I have no opinion on it being sad or otherwise.... I don't know the man or anyone involved

I follow him on Facebook because of this record attempt .... Just think it's a bit odd to accept random friends to follow you and then broadcast stuff like this to me.

Contrast this with the output from Steves page.  I don't really want to know.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on 04 February, 2015, 02:02:35 pm
As I observed elsewhere looking at Kurt's progress on Jo's graph you can see he is riding consistently, where as you can see when Steve stops for either second breakfast or lunch. Do we know if Kurt is being fed from the RV while on the move / grabbing a muesett and eating while riding. That could prove a significant advantage over the year provided the lack of variety imposed by what can be eaten while riding doesn't drive him mad.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 04 February, 2015, 02:04:11 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.

It's not clear that any of them consider there to be problems. He's just putting the current status public.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 02:05:10 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.

It's on his personal page rather than his HAM'R page, he's not putting it out there as anything to do with his record attempt (though maybe he should be more circumspect about who he accepts as 'friends' on his personal page).

And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 04 February, 2015, 02:05:56 pm
As I observed elsewhere looking at Kurt's progress on Jo's graph you can see he is riding consistently, where as you can see when Steve stops for either second breakfast or lunch. Do we know if Kurt is being fed from the RV while on the move / grabbing a muesett and eating while riding. That could prove a significant advantage over the year provided the lack of variety imposed by what can be eaten while riding doesn't drive him mad.

This doesn't quite answer your question...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1568149216760119
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 02:10:48 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.

It's on his personal page rather than his HAM'R page, he's not putting it out there as anything to do with his record attempt (though maybe he should be more circumspect about who he accepts as 'friends' on his personal page).

And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.


He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Not many sportsman make those kind of announcements while competing.

I have seen no speculation about his personal life anywhere .... Until he posted this ... So ultimately it isn't a great move on that front!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 04 February, 2015, 02:41:01 pm
He's living out of the back of a camper van with a woman who isn't his wife, I would be surprised if their hadn't been at least raised eyebrows amongst his friends and close acquaintances and he has decided to put an end to the rumours etc ,whether we agree with broadcasting it on Fb or not at the end of the day it's Kurt's decision .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Vince on 04 February, 2015, 02:42:27 pm
Looking at the videos on Kurt's FB pages, I sort of get the impression that the job of Kurt's support is to drive the van and hold the video camera whilst he sorts out his own problems.
I'm sure this is not the case though!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 04 February, 2015, 02:46:17 pm
I suppose giving "presented with a vision quest that I can not walk away from" as a reason for the breakdown of your marriage sounds a lot better than "I've been fucking Alicia for ages". Which is obviously the real reason...  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 04 February, 2015, 02:49:42 pm
And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.

Exactly.

Nothing unusual here. Shit happens.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 02:50:13 pm
I have seen no speculation about his personal life anywhere ....

The nature of his relationship with Alicia has been raised here previously. I'm assuming it has been discussed elsewhere - as per paul851's comment, such speculation is to be expected (if not to be encouraged) - and I'm assuming that is the reason for his announcement, though I may be wrong on both counts.

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He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 04 February, 2015, 02:54:38 pm
Looking at the videos on Kurt's FB pages, I sort of get the impression that the job of Kurt's support is to drive the van and hold the video camera whilst he sorts out his own problems.
I'm sure this is not the case though!

We don't know what she's doing when she's not holding the video camera, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on 04 February, 2015, 03:08:30 pm
Interesting, I had wondered whether the family commitments may actually impact on Tarzan but I suspect this will liberate him and make him an even stronger competitor.

You can't control the rollercoaster of love.  I wish them all well and hope that it all works out for the best - whatever the best is.  Can't judge others on relationships.



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 03:12:17 pm
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He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.




Why not? Its a page about Kurt the athlete. When I saw his name for the record attempt it's the first link I found. I started following when he started the ride - and found out about the HAMR page from there.

I've also friended Steve Abraham and Chris Hopkinson since the ride started for reasons of progress reports. I've never met either in real life.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on 04 February, 2015, 03:41:50 pm
You can't control the rollercoaster of love.

That sounds hilarious coming from a rabbit!

Heh  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 04:18:36 pm
Quote
He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.




Why not? Its a page about Kurt the athlete. When I saw his name for the record attempt it's the first link I found. I started following when he started the ride - and found out about the HAMR page from here.

I've also friended Steve Abraham since the ride started and Chris Hopkinson for reasons of progress reports. I've never met either in real life.

Same here - I had no idea it was his own personal page I was following.   I just saw it linked from another user.   I had no idea he even had a wife or a 'supporter' until his update popped up.

For me it is just a bit of an odd thing to post considering so many people are looking at your page for cycling reasons and nothing else.

Save all this stuff for the book!   Sounds like it might be a good read!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on 04 February, 2015, 04:32:53 pm
Just seen that myself, seems a bit extreme after 25yrs of marriage  ???

Not really- mid life crisis or unfulfilled ambition- call it what you will but Kurt obviously wants to pursue the record and his wife can't share his vision.Plenty of marriages flounder after similar time together , as couples grow apart. 

If the God bothering comments from friends seems strange, then you obviously  haven't mixed with many 'mercans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 04 February, 2015, 05:06:19 pm
regarding "odd things to post on Facebook" etc ...

Can we just accept that Facebook is NOT a very good medium for controlling flow of information to very specific overlapping groups. (Actually, no modern tech is much better!)
It doesn't match the way we interact in flesh-space - so if you choose to use these new-fangled channels,  you have to accept some oddities from time-to-time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2015, 05:15:10 pm
And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.

Indeed.  I caught the second half of an interesting prog about Walesish Rugby international Gareth Thomas last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2015, 05:30:06 pm
Quite. I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

My children keep me informed about vital family gossip from bacefook. It is thus that I learned that my nephew was separating from his wife, that he was shacking up with another woman and, not à propos of those two eventualities, that he had sired a bastard son when he was living in North Wales.

I have given up listening to the Archers because of its far-fetched story lines, but it appears that this thread might be a good substitute.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 04 February, 2015, 05:31:17 pm
Knocking out 201 miles by day.
No longer knocking out one by night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on 04 February, 2015, 05:58:27 pm
After 201 miles I doubt that I  would have the energy , even if I had the desire and the opportunity.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 06:09:44 pm
I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

He has two pages, one for personal stuff, one for the record attempt. I'm only interested in the record attempt so I only follow the latter. I guess those who don't use Facebook regularly might not be tuned in to such distinctions, and maybe Kurt himself isn't fully Facebook-savvy or he might be more circumspect about who he allows to be his 'friend' and what he shares there.

In any case, I wouldn't have heard about his relationship troubles if they hadn't been mentioned in this thread.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 04 February, 2015, 06:15:37 pm
I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

He has two pages, one for personal stuff, one for the record attempt. I'm only interested in the record attempt so I only follow the latter. I guess those who don't use Facebook regularly might not be tuned in to such distinctions, and maybe Kurt himself isn't fully Facebook-savvy or he might be more circumspect about who he allows to be his 'friend' and what he shares there.

In any case, I wouldn't have heard about his relationship troubles if they hadn't been mentioned in this thread.
He appears unaware of FB's privacy settings, but then, lots of folk are.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 04 February, 2015, 06:19:49 pm
He appears unaware of FB's privacy settings, but then, lots of folk are.

Indeed, though all you really need to know is that regardless of what you actually do with the settings, you have no privacy from  a) FaceBook  b) friends of friends who have no respect for / understanding of privacy  or  c) anyone who shares the same computer/physical space as (b)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 06:36:28 pm
Or (d) anyone who quotes stuff you post on facebook on other internet forums.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 04 February, 2015, 06:54:00 pm
How old is email now?

How often do you STILL get bulk emails with 30 addresses of people you (mostly) didn't know?

even if facebook settings *were* easily understood, there will always be some that dont bother.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 06:57:53 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off - However like others OTP who are also following Kurt Searvogal as opposed to Tarzan Rides HAMR:

1. I came across the Kurt Searvogel page a while before the Tarzan rides HAMR page
2. The threads on the page had nothing to suggest it was a personal page, the majority were about his build up for the year record.
3. There was a follow option
4. There's no difference in appearance between the Kurt Searvogal page and the Steve Abraham page
5. Kurt is obviously aware that it's not just close friends and family that follow Kurt Searvogel but he's still added the post


So WTF is bugging everyone?

Carry on with your discussion as to how many sausages Steve has got in his back pocket - far more interesting!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on 04 February, 2015, 07:03:23 pm
After 201 miles I doubt that I  would have the energy , even if I had the desire and the opportunity.

After 201 miles per day for 30 days, I think I'd lack even the apparatus.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 04 February, 2015, 07:14:57 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 07:28:55 pm
OK, understood and my apologies. It's now been mentioned on a social media site so it's going to get discussed - even on this forum.

On the year record board there are separate threads for every day of Steve's ride,his kit, his nutrition, how's he looking, etc. - only one thread about Tarzan. Everything about him is going to come up here.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 04 February, 2015, 07:31:11 pm
Sad news for sure.

It is what it is.

Now on with the record, go Tarzan.

P.S With respect to a record that I mentioned earlier up thread, he holds the Sebring 12hr record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 07:37:28 pm
...and demonstration of his determination for the record?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 07:55:22 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.

How is it not appropriate?   He has posted it on Facebook to a load of people that he has just accepted as friends in the last week.... He must know they are there to follow his cycling and do not know him personally..   The fact we are all from the Uk probably gave it away.

I stand by my comment-   It's amateurish and a bit odd too.    Yes, professional sportsman make these kind of announcements through social media..... No, they do not do it on their personal page and then leave the comments open so we can see all their friends and families views on the subject.   I would hazard a guess he will be visited by the normal social media trolls and will end up having to pull the post.   

It's a bit naive to think this would clear anything up ... Not knowing him personally it did nothing for me other than making me think he's a bit of a twonk.   Giving your marriage up for a bike - seems like a poor excuse to me!   

Like it or not these guys are in the spotlight ..their personal circumstances are very relevant in this kind of record attempt and if something is announced in this way then it's up for discussion.   What is put out from Steve and tarzan should be moderated as such....in a professional way like Steves team have done.

If Tarzan wins this thing, which it looks like he very well could .... Will he be the man who "gave up his wife for the record"?   That is not my view by the way, but I think this announcement harms him personally.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 04 February, 2015, 08:11:03 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.

How is it not appropriate?   He has posted it on Facebook to a load of people that he has just accepted as friends in the last week.... He must know they are there to follow his cycling and do not know him personally..   The fact we are all from the Uk probably gave it away.

I stand by my comment-   It's amateurish and a bit odd too.    Yes, professional sportsman make these kind of announcements through social media..... No, they do not do it on their personal page and then leave the comments open so we can see all their friends and families views on the subject.   I would hazard a guess he will be visited by the normal social media trolls and will end up having to pull the post.   

It's a bit naive to think this would clear anything up ... Not knowing him personally it did nothing for me other than making me think he's a bit of a twonk.   Giving your marriage up for a bike - seems like a poor excuse to me!   

Like it or not these guys are in the spotlight ..their personal circumstances are very relevant in this kind of record attempt and if something is announced in this way then it's up for discussion.   What is put out from Steve and tarzan should be moderated as such....in a professional way like Steves team have done.

If Tarzan wins this thing, which it looks like he very well could .... Will he be the man who "gave up his wife for the record"?   That is not my view by the way, but I think this announcement harms him personally.

What you think is your own personal preference. And we've all got them. And it's the internet. And we all express them. But mostly, our personal preferences about this that and the other is all superfluous meaningless hot air and social media entertainment. Big deal. And to the riders I imagine our personal opinions matter sweet FA. But we still think they're really important, don't we? Like I am doing here :-) Heaven knows why though.

The only thing that matters to me personally is this: are the riders riding within the rules laid down by the UMCA [rules which they will have both read and fully understood prior to starting and in doing so have accepted unconditionally]. Anything else is just stress.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 04 February, 2015, 08:20:30 pm
 It's been entertaining reading the above soap opera, but apart from that, I couldn't give a.... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 04 February, 2015, 08:23:59 pm
No reason you can't start some separate threads, Windy.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 08:26:40 pm
I am reading this forum for entertainment, replying to posts for recreation and following the riders out of interest, and slight awe for the attempt.I take everything I read on social media or forums with a large pinch of salt and certainly don't  expect any stranger reading my comments to view them as anything more than waffle.

What I don't get is why anyone would get snippy about discussing this on here or quoting from Facebook .... It's been put in the public domain by Tarzan..... He either intended me to read it and discuss it - or he is very naive to how the internet works
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on 04 February, 2015, 08:26:57 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 04 February, 2015, 08:31:20 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.

That was kind of my point and to be honest his personal life isn't being judged by comments here.   It's his decision to publically post about that is being discussed.   This is a pretty sensible conversation going on - no one is slagging him off here as far as I can see.

Anyway - I've said my bit .... Back to the cycling!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 08:33:41 pm
No reason you can't start some separate threads, Windy.

S'pose I could Basil, I was quite happy with everything about the guy being in one place and just scrolling down the latest comments tho' TBH, so it seemed natural to carry on discussion here. The discussion had already started on the relationship issue and give it a few more pages and it'll pass and we'll be back to talking about the rider and the ride - I didn't get the same responses when I posted a picture of him holding up a Macdonald's bag which I also took from his personal page rather than the HAMR page - but hey, you can't please all the people all the time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on 04 February, 2015, 10:04:50 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.

That was kind of my point and to be honest his personal life isn't being judged by comments here.   It's his decision to publically post about that is being discussed.   This is a pretty sensible conversation going on - no one is slagging him off here as far as I can see.

Anyway - I've said my bit .... Back to the cycling!

I'm sorry but this made me think of other (in)famous american cyclists with a reputation for dumping ladies - if he did and it wasn't that she got bored/frustrated with cycling being more important than family (or with his income being sacrificed to a dream).
For what it's worth the last two french presidents have been no better - and Sarko is well capable of announcing things like that through Facebook. And i don't respect them anymore than Kurt

Public figures don't have private lives anymore - probably never did. They just have secrets!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 10:38:27 pm
Your life stops being private when you make an announcement on facebook. If you don't want it out there then don't post it. The thing is, however insignificant you think this is, what does it show about Kurt's determination to get this record? He's put aside something that may have been troubling him and playing on his mind, said it, got it out in the open and closed the door. Perhaps he feels better for it and more focussed on the job in hand. Whether it's discussed here or not, the message is out there that a year on the bike is more important than 25 years of marriage. The psychology can be the stumbling block for a lot of people. He's made it clear that he means business.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 04 February, 2015, 10:45:16 pm
Now it's time to make history.

That's what I'd be saying to him if I was his crew chief.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 04 February, 2015, 10:47:16 pm
You'd think that talking to divorce lawyers would take some time away from the bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 10:50:11 pm
A couple who've grown apart over the years a mutual separation with a lot of respect between the individuals and an understanding of each others needs? - He's out on the bike for a year living in a campervan and she's got the house why does it all have to start now?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 04 February, 2015, 10:51:33 pm
A year is a long time. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 04 February, 2015, 10:52:51 pm
Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 04 February, 2015, 10:53:40 pm
A couple who've grown apart over the years with a mutual separation with a lot of respect between the individuals and a deep respect for each others needs? - He's out on the bike for a year living in a campervan and she's got the house why does it all have to start now?

You'd think so wouldn't you? ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 11:00:56 pm
Yes 12 months is a long time and we're not even 10% done yet. You don't know the outcome of a 4,000m pursuit after 2 laps. A few months down the road the decision could come back to hit Kurt mentally and have a negative effect.

As Norman Sheil once told me, you can get everything right with the body, but if it's not in the head it's been a waste of time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 February, 2015, 11:19:47 pm
Hell hath no fury...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 04 February, 2015, 11:42:05 pm
How on earth does this work?

I know that you build up your distance over the first 2 months and can keep that going until the end of the year but the distances that Kurt is banging out are high, aren't they?

Perhaps my view is skewed by the fact that it is so f***ing cold at the moment but I reckon that Steve's approach of building up the miles over time is the only viable option for someone going for this challenge in the British isles.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 04 February, 2015, 11:51:39 pm
Perhaps my view is skewed by the fact that it is so f***ing cold at the moment but I reckon that Steve's approach of building up the miles over time is the only viable option for someone going for this challenge in the British isles.

Both riders are operating as best they can in the environments they find themselves. There is nothing more Steve can do on top of the impossible he's already done! Looking at his forecast mileage from May to August...well, if it's mind boggling now then goodness knows what we're all going to be thinking then. It doesn't bare thinking about what he's looking to be riding during those months. No secret there - that was always the plan.

What's interesting about Kurt for me is that once he passes Steve, and he will do at some point, fairly soon I'd have thought, he'll be leading with time in hand, so then he has nothing obvious to chase [apart from what they're both chasing and that's the record - let's not forget!], question then is how much does he really push on, because it won't be enough to keep doing what he's doing at the moment to beat TG. He has to push harder to really get an advantage. Meanwhile, TG, will be slowly but surely winding back the line on him. Make no mistake, he will. Go Steve!

The longer they stay the course, the more interesting the whole thing is going to become.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 February, 2015, 11:54:17 pm
Really don't know H. Steve is keeping his cool and sticking to his schedule. That's got to be good in the long term. Going to be an exciting year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 February, 2015, 05:23:36 am
As others have suggested, Steve could have planned to locate himself in the south of France.  This would have come with its own challenges (basically lack of familiarity and higher cost).  Or hired a crew.  He chose not to, or didn't anticipate how significant Kurt's challenge would be.

A couple of people have commented about Kurt's apparent lack of preparedness.  I think some of that charge applies to Steve, in the sense that he may not have been prepared for how much further Kurt would ride than his original schedule.  I admire Steve's approach, and can't see what more he can realistically do within the environment he chose to ride.  It is very weather dependent, and the weather in the UK is unreliable.

The tables might flip in the summer, but I don't think Kurt is stupid and will have thought "where do I need to situate myself over summer to give me a general advantage".

I'd also note Steve isn't sticking exactly to his schedule.  He is above his most optimistic plan.  Albeit on a similar trajectory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 05 February, 2015, 06:31:12 am
In his quest for new and interesting ways to break bikes I see that Tarzan lost one off the bike rack on the back of his vehicle yesterday.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 February, 2015, 06:58:15 am
I'll be interested to see if Kurt rides at Sebring. Hoppo's doing the 24 Hour
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 February, 2015, 06:59:59 am
"Swagman, this is Tarzan aka Beast.  About your bike racks.  I am going to rip off your head, nail it to my shagging wagon, and use its gaping mouth to hold the rear tyre of my steed.  Just saying, beyatch."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2015, 07:05:37 am
Injury could finish the ride for either of them at any time. It seems to me that Steve is much more self-reliant on a day-to-day basis and Tarzan must be more suscepible than Steve to non-cycling issues. Suppose Jane gets pissed off with life on the road after a few more week/months? Or the van breaks down irreparably? I'm guessing that Tarzan must be a pretty wealthy guy to tackle the ride in the manner that he has, but if he needs a new support vehicle, for example, that's going to take time and, presumably, a fair bit of input from him. The less time he takes getting such stuff right in the first instance, the more it is likely to cost him, in time snd money, later on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 February, 2015, 07:07:29 am
I find Kurt's daily video thought pieces great.  Has Steve considered something similar, as they generate a more immediate and direct connection than a newsletter (imho).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 February, 2015, 07:13:35 am
Injury could finish the ride for either of them at any time. It seems to me that Steve is much more self-reliant on a day-to-day basis and Tarzan must be more suscepible than Steve to non-cycling issues. Suppose Jane gets pissed off with life on the road after a few more week/months? Or the van breaks down irreparably? I'm guessing that Tarzan must be a pretty wealthy guy to tackle the ride in the manner that he has, but if he needs a new support vehicle, for example, that's going to take time and, presumably, a fair bit of input from him. The less time he takes getting such stuff right in the first instance, the more it is likely to cost him, in time snd money, later on.

True.  But I'd imagine he has a backup plan.  For example, if he loses his support team, he could step down to Steve's approach (pick a location and use it as a hub).  He seems hungry to win this and used to competing.  If this translates into how I compete, he will have more than a plan B.  As a chess player (iirc) you probably know this already(!)

Whilst Kurt could bungle it, it would be naive were Steve to ever bank on this.  I doubt he is.  Instead, he is no doubt keeping tabs on Kurt's progress and recalibrating his own plan to react to it, in the knowledge of what is he feels he can push himself to achieve against an updated guess into what Tarzan has in the tank.  Steve has a lot of time every day to ponder such things (when I've competed in the past, a lot of my on bike time away from the heat of the battle was spent playing through different scenarios and how to counter them).

But I'm over analysing, no doubt. I need to keep reminding myself they are not even 10% through their challenge (which staggers me still).  I also need to keep reminding myself that whilst I've ridden with Steve, in truth I don't know what he is really capable of in this extreme and wonderfully head banging challenge he has set himself.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2015, 08:20:58 am
That's why it is such a wonderful event for kibitzers* like us: endless speculation in a slowly unfolding drama. It is very like a protracted chess match in that respect.

*A term introduced to chess by Bobby Fischer, who was from a New York/Jewish background.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 05 February, 2015, 08:24:24 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days. The mid 1930's saw the record broken several times and other world records have been broken after v short periods of time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 05 February, 2015, 08:30:20 am
Losing a bike (thankfully recovered) is just the latest in an amazing list of misfortunes Kurt has suffered.  I hope this is the last of them, but who knows what damage the fall might have caused to the bike? :\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 05 February, 2015, 08:36:38 am
"Swagman, this is Tarzan aka Beast.  About your bike racks.  I am going to rip off your head, nail it to my shagging wagon, and use its gaping mouth to hold the rear tyre of my steed.  Just saying, beyatch."

 ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 February, 2015, 08:38:44 am
I suspect that Kurt will find out how much damage was done to his bike soon enough. Hopefully it won't hurt too much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 05 February, 2015, 09:11:04 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 February, 2015, 09:13:30 am
I think they mean the purist "365 days total" not "when you pass Tommy".  The latter is a "virtual" / "on-the-road" record. 

Some may even claim Kurt can't get Tommy's record because he isn't riding over a calendar year (not sure if they are so dogmatic that this would be the case if Kurt's total to 31 December 2015 is more than Steve's despite having 10 days less duration).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 February, 2015, 10:02:32 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?

you don't win a time trial because you are ahead at an intermediate control. Until the ride is complete and validated than no record has been set by either rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 05 February, 2015, 10:12:48 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?

you don't win a time trial because you are ahead at an intermediate control. Until the ride is complete and validated than no record has been set by either rider.

If at midnight 1/1/2016 Steve had ridden 100,000 miles and Kurt had ridden 100,001 miles, they wouldn't bother awarding it to Steve then waiting 10 days before awarding it to Kurt. Well, maybe they would, but it would be a bit weird.

You're just nitpicking  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 February, 2015, 10:25:00 am
As soon as anybody totals more than 75,065 miles, they'll have 'broken the record' according to most folk, despite Tommy racking up 77,001 miles in 365 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 05 February, 2015, 10:33:29 am
The finishing post is 365 days
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 05 February, 2015, 10:40:45 am
The finishing post is 365 days
For UCMA purposes.  But there's also the "in a calendar year" Godwin record - Tarzan could beat that (and Steve) in 2015, even with 10 days of no riding at the beginning.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 05 February, 2015, 10:45:26 am
But (I thought) no-one would validate the calendar year record so Steve approached UMCA who introduced the 365 day record which will be validated?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 February, 2015, 10:45:49 am
For the record they have both signed up for there are reasons that the rider could be disqualified for right up to the end, so the validation bit is important (and the reason they have both paid the UMCA and signed onto the rules with trackers etc.)

It would be rather silly for a person to be disqualified for their Crew Chief having a drink at Christmas/Thanksgiving, or for the lack of a helmet or whatever, but the rules are the rules. Just in the same way as the arguments on here about temperatures, climbing, starting 10 days later or riding recumbents are moot as the rules have been agreed and accepted.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 05 February, 2015, 10:53:13 am
I guess it comes down to personal opinion as to whether you consider the UMCA 365 version being the equivalent to the Tommy Godwin record of 75,065 miles.  My own view is that to beat Tommy you need to cover 75,065 miles in a calendar year.  Steve will set the UMCA record for furthest cycled in 365 consecutive days (presuming he completes it).  For the (unofficial) Tommy record, either of them could get to 75k miles in the calendar year of 2015 first.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 05 February, 2015, 11:21:56 am
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 05 February, 2015, 11:28:56 am
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.

As and when the weather improves in the US further north, Kurts style of supported riding opens up the opportunity for one hell of a road trip around the states during the year. How about a trip up to Alaska and back? Thats about 5000 each way from Florida! I don't believe he is constricted to just riding in the US either. HE could go coast to coast across Canada - again, about 5000 miles. He will certainly re-travel far fewer roads that Steve so is unlikely to have his own "Marsh Gibbon"!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 05 February, 2015, 11:42:14 am
If the Tommy Godwin record is beaten by a margin of several thousand miles it won't make any difference whether it was started 10 days late.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 05 February, 2015, 12:14:16 pm
AFAICS, if possible Steve needs to have a clear lead/buffer of approx. 7000km by 1 Jan 2016 – based on RAAM (2014) level of solo output being around 635km/day.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 February, 2015, 12:43:21 pm
Would the record be validated if a rider exceeds Godwin's mileage before the 365 days are up but then fails to complete the 365 days, say through injury?

My initial thought was that most people would recognise it but the UMCA would probably not. Then I thought, well, Tommy had a day off the bike - August? - so if you chose to take a 'rest day' or whatever, that would be ok. But in fact, it must depend on whatever is written into the rules both Steve and Kurt have agreed with the UMCA - and whatever Tommy did is irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure even his mileage is relevant for the UMCA purposes, is it? Though they'd look a bit silly awarding the record to someone who rode less than 75,065 miles.

So does anyone know if the rules do allow a new record to be recognised in such circumstances?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2015, 12:47:44 pm
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.

Which is just as well for Kurt, given that Steve is riding slower than him - over the course of the year, that could add up to an extra week in the saddle for Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2015, 02:14:39 pm
Tommy's day off was 28th October, three days after he passed the previous record.

Here's one prediction of which I am entirely confident: in the unlikely event that they both beat Tommy, there still won't be agreement about who it was who broke his record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 05 February, 2015, 02:32:24 pm
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.
That would make sense.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 05 February, 2015, 03:28:08 pm
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 05 February, 2015, 03:33:54 pm
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?

The video on FaceBook from yesterday suggested he was going to use the bike which fell off the rack. Let's hope it didn't sustain some nasty unseen damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 05 February, 2015, 03:42:13 pm
Well suddenly up to 48 miles so possibly 'none of the above'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 05 February, 2015, 03:43:49 pm
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 05 February, 2015, 03:52:35 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 05 February, 2015, 03:57:15 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.


Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 February, 2015, 04:08:09 pm
if he gets a vehicle transfer during the day then he has to upload a file before and a file after. Otherwise Strava gets confused.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on 05 February, 2015, 04:10:02 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.

When Kurt has a vehicle transfer to take advantage of the wind or bypass a particular conurbation he has to upload two rides to Strava, before the transfer and after the transfer. Of course both rides count towards Kurt's milage and Redfalo needs to divide Kurt's mileage by the number of days not the number of rides.

mcshroom types faster than me
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 February, 2015, 04:15:43 pm
Yeah but you got post #1000 :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 05 February, 2015, 04:17:14 pm
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?

Kurt's also got 2 short rides in early Jan before he started the challenge on Jan 10th
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 05 February, 2015, 04:49:58 pm
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
   2 Jan      187.0          
   3 Jan      187.1          
   4 Jan      174.8          
   5 Jan      182.2          
   6 Jan      178.7          
   7 Jan      160.7          
   8 Jan      181.3          
   9 Jan      180.9          
   10 Jan      174.8      230.7   
   11 Jan      185.9      188.8   
   12 Jan      182.4      183.5   
   13 Jan      181.6      190.0   
   14 Jan      157.6      191.4   
   15 Jan      190.1      192.3   
   16 Jan      190.0      212.3   
   17 Jan      227.5      200.1   
   18 Jan      231.0      210.8   
   19 Jan      151.0      211.0   
   20 Jan      183.1      179.0   
   21 Jan      182.9      197.6   
   22 Jan      192.4      207.9   
   23 Jan      191.0      189.4   
   24 Jan      191.9      203.1   
   25 Jan      182.9      190.5   
   26 Jan      193.1      181.9   
   27 Jan      190.6      220.0   
   28 Jan      177.9      250.1   
   29 Jan      190.6      158.8   
   30 Jan      190.5      216.0   
   31 Jan      149.5      222.1   
   1 Feb      188.1      205.9   
   2 Feb      186.7      194.1   
   3 Feb      182.2      206.5   
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 05 February, 2015, 05:03:14 pm
Strava also shows 88.4km on 03/01 and 48.3km on 06/01 which still show in his January mileage on Strava even tho' his challenge didn't start until 10/01.

Results and daily averages also here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 05 February, 2015, 06:06:52 pm
There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.

I believe 26th Jan is the ride with the vehicle transfer included. I thought it was more like 10km and 6 miles. He or whoever updates his webpage has also recorded the incorrect distance.

Although it will be a very small % of the overall total - probably far lower than that created by GPS tracking over the year, it's about time he got it sorted as he is fully aware of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 05 February, 2015, 07:00:37 pm
[quote author=IanG link=topic=87329.msg1808574#msg1808574 date=1423155794.

Results and daily averages also here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml)
[/quote]

great stuff! This table deserves a permalink  as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 06 February, 2015, 02:08:12 am
Kurt was hit by a car jumping a stop-sign today  :(  but thankfully he kept it upright.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1570867643154943&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2015, 02:23:28 am
That sounded like bad news - his last comment was "Now, my arm is frozen" and he didn't mean temperature-wise.

OK, he's ridden about over 5000 miles in less than 4 weeks, but he seems to be having a lot of scrapes - or worse - with cars. Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 06 February, 2015, 02:33:03 am
That sounded like bad news - his last comment was "Now, my arm is frozen" and he didn't mean temperature-wise.

Oh, I thought it was "Now-- I'm just frozen". Which sounds more weather related.

Quote
Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?

Both.

My Californian friends seem to continually be winding up their Floridian facebook peers over relative driving conditions. Just today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/29/bicyclist-fights-use-full-lane-wins/22524631/
http://navarrepress.com/headlines/no-charges-bicyclists-death/

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 06 February, 2015, 06:23:51 am
Not cool :(

Fingers crossed he doesn't suffer ill effects from that incident.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 06 February, 2015, 07:47:19 am
I hope Kurt's luck improves soon. Perhaps somebody is sticking pins into a voodoo doll?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 06 February, 2015, 08:04:09 am
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
...
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   

I notice Steve was 1655.3 miles ahead when Kurt started, and is now 1270.9 miles ahead, an average daily reduction of ~15mls (BMC) - and Steve is having to contend with the British winter.  It'll be spring soon...

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on 06 February, 2015, 08:20:11 am
Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?

Not helped by all the "snowbirds" down there at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2015, 08:55:37 am
That's bad luck again.  I hope he doesn't suffer a lasting injury (or bike damage) from it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 06 February, 2015, 08:59:28 am
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
...
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   

I notice Steve was 1655.3 miles ahead when Kurt started, and is now 1270.9 miles ahead, an average daily reduction of ~15mls (BMC) - and Steve is having to contend with the British winter.  It'll be spring soon...

Go Steve!

So, if I project that rate of attrition, Steve will come a distant second  :demon:

More seriously, it will be informative when Steve starts to narrow those daily losses, and then again when he starts to reverse the difference.  Kurt will have the advantage again for the last two months of 2015, so it is by no means easy for Steve to claw back to parity and then put in a sufficient buffer that Kurt just can't recover it.  In fact, it's going to be bloody difficult, because Kurt is always going to know how many more times round the block he needs to ride and so Steve is going to have to grind him down into submission. 

Forget the chess match that WB mentioned, this is more like chess boxing and the pugilists are landing jabs at the moment testing out for weak spots before they come out swinging.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 February, 2015, 09:03:39 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 06 February, 2015, 09:12:31 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?

We don't know!  That's the fun part  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 06 February, 2015, 09:14:18 am
Poor Kurt - he looks a bit shaken but ok in the video. At his kind of speeds I don't think I would touch a pavement bike track with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 06 February, 2015, 09:19:04 am
If the record is not about riding as far as possible in a calendar year but in 365 consecutive days, it there anything (apart, potentially, from physical or pychological ability) that prevents Steve from carrying on after Dec. 31, 2015 until he runs Tarzan into the ground?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 06 February, 2015, 09:23:36 am
I think you need to state a start date.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 06 February, 2015, 09:25:00 am
You have to give prior notice of start date. So it'd be unofficial. Just like godwin's 77,000 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2015, 09:43:55 am
I suppose there would be nothing to stop him sending in another entry fee after two months and having concurrent/overlapping attempts? Or do the rules specifically prevent this?

WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on 06 February, 2015, 09:46:50 am
Hope that Kurt, or Steve, doesn't succumb to a nasty injury, illness or mechanical.  I know it's all part of it, but I would like to see the result based on the miles covered rather than the one who didn't succumb to major bad luck. 

Chess-boxing-bicycling - even better than the 2012 TdF  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 February, 2015, 09:51:53 am
Quote from: Paul Hughes

Watch out for three things in southern Florida: a mugger with a switchblade, a Cuban with a driver's license and a Yankee towing a U-Haul rental trailer.


That was 1985 but I doubt much has changed since.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 06 February, 2015, 10:24:04 am
Poor Kurt - he looks a bit shaken but ok in the video. At his kind of speeds I don't think I would touch a pavement bike track with a barge pole.

Neither would I!  But he said it was exiting from the hotel. so I dunno if he had much choice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 06 February, 2015, 10:46:06 am
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/florida_man
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 February, 2015, 10:54:02 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?

We don't know!  That's the fun part  :thumbsup:

We've another eleven months of this.  ;D

Plus all the analysis debate throughout the remainder of the decade.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 06 February, 2015, 11:15:02 am
WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
On another page he mentions hypothermia in the first 20km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 06 February, 2015, 11:38:49 am
So it seems he's uninjured. I hope it continues that way for both him and Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 06 February, 2015, 12:03:39 pm
WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
On another page he mentions hypothermia in the first 20km.
His body is probably adapted to florida norm temperatures - so 12, 15C will feel cold. If he just chucked on shorts and a thin jersey, it's pretty easy to imagine getting cold.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 06 February, 2015, 01:49:48 pm
Kurt is approaching Frostproof - cold shouldn't be too much of a problem there, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 06 February, 2015, 03:03:45 pm
...and now the support van has a flat tyre!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2015, 03:04:33 pm
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 06 February, 2015, 05:04:54 pm
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 06 February, 2015, 05:22:38 pm
 :-[
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
:-[
Of course I support and admire both riders and am humbled by their efforts...but even so
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on 07 February, 2015, 12:23:38 am
I suppose there would be nothing to stop him sending in another entry fee after two months and having concurrent/overlapping attempts? Or do the rules specifically prevent this?
I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.
It's stupid talk even speculating such a thing, but it is still fun to think through the "decision-tree" of how many branches there could yet be in this game.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on 07 February, 2015, 12:52:54 am
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!

I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:

IT WAS NOT ME!!!! My Gris Gris teacher took my powers away due to gross incompetence, expect lots of unplanned offspring in Autumn!!!!  :demon: :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 07 February, 2015, 07:26:54 am

I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.

Obviously, if Steve can do it, Kurt can too it too. In a way, Kurt being on the scene, just pushes Steve to his ultimate limits (formallly on a level playing field as far as UMCA rules are concerned. But in the real wold, Steve's is cycling in much harder conditions. Not just for temperatures, wind and support van - just compare both rider's cumulated climbs on Strava)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 07 February, 2015, 09:53:53 am

I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.

Obviously, if Steve can do it, Kurt can too it too. In a way, Kurt being on the scene, just pushes Steve to his ultimate limits (formallly on a level playing field as far as UMCA rules are concerned. But in the real wold, Steve's is cycling in much harder conditions. Not just for temperatures, wind and support van - just compare both rider's cumulated climbs on Strava)

These strategies could doom the two of them to have to ride forever. Two cycling Sisyphus's
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 07 February, 2015, 10:04:38 am
I read that as two cycling syphilis.

Hope that helps...

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 07 February, 2015, 10:38:09 am
You catch that by sitting naked on dirty saddles H ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 07 February, 2015, 11:49:00 am
You catch that by sitting naked on dirty saddles H ;)

Pas devant les  enfants, Windy  ;D

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 08 February, 2015, 03:53:34 am
217.7 today! Go Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 08 February, 2015, 04:09:30 am
217.7 today! Go Tarzan!
It was an impressive ride averaging 20.6 mph.  He appeared amazingly fresh after this ride.  He is ready for 300+ mile days.
 I think he is just waiting for it to warm up a little so he can get earlier starts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 08 February, 2015, 12:00:57 pm
Over 400 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis, creating a nice buffer which is good to see.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 08 February, 2015, 12:07:48 pm
Tracks on his FB page skip from Day 27 ('recovery' 175miles) to Day 29 (yesterday's 300k).  Is there a problem with the recording of a day, or has he misnumbered them?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 08 February, 2015, 12:15:02 pm
None of the above, the ride has not been posted onto the FB page.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 08 February, 2015, 12:41:38 pm
He hasn't put day 28 on his 'Tarzan Rides...' FB page but it's on his 'Kurt Searvogel' FB page
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 08 February, 2015, 12:46:58 pm
OK.  Cool.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 09 February, 2015, 03:10:57 am
Another strong day for Kurt- just shy of 214 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 09 February, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
Is there any info on how much he's doing on a recumbent ? And the speeds hes doing by bike ?
There is some seriously impressive speeds hes doing there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 February, 2015, 03:22:43 pm
There was some mention of him doing a race at Sebring at the weekend. He's a 12 Hour rider.
The CTT record stands at just over 317 miles.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record-40174
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 09 February, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
... or rather, just under 318 miles  8)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 09 February, 2015, 03:50:28 pm
UMCA seems to be a shade lower.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 February, 2015, 04:01:06 pm
He seems to be suffering from punctures again.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 09 February, 2015, 04:04:54 pm
He's sent out a plea for Conti GP4000s.  A year's worth of those will cost him a fair bit, hasn't he discovered Vittoria Rubinos yet?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 09 February, 2015, 04:17:56 pm
Contis? Good man!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 February, 2015, 04:26:37 pm
The challenge isn't just about athleticism; it is also about preparation. Steve put years into the planning, including evaluating kit.

That is one area that Tarzan (surprisingly) is behind on. USAnians have a general reputation for being gear-freaks, but in this case Steve has the more high-tech (and tested) approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 09 February, 2015, 04:27:17 pm
Contis - no surprise he's being trailed by the Fairy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 09 February, 2015, 05:49:42 pm
I think there was a picture of 3 riders and his lady on faceache the other day, showing her (Alicia?) with her foot in a pot!
If that's the case all credit to her for her support, wonder if she is on sick leave  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 February, 2015, 05:54:01 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on 09 February, 2015, 05:54:48 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 09 February, 2015, 06:01:23 pm
The challenge isn't just about athleticism; it is also about preparation. Steve put years into the planning, including evaluating kit.

That is one area that Tarzan (surprisingly) is behind on. USAnians have a general reputation for being gear-freaks, but in this case Steve has the more high-tech (and tested) approach.
He may be a gear-freak with hi-tech gear - but with a setup tested on fully-supported 12H races. And optimised for those events.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 09 February, 2015, 06:02:42 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

You only need one foot for a USAnian Veehickle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 February, 2015, 06:07:28 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

You only need one foot for a USAnian Veehickle.

You pretty much need only one foot for my vehicle. There just wasn't room for me to get in the car and get my left leg under the steering wheel when wearing the boot.

Given that in our car the left foot's only job is to operate the parking brake, I simply took the boot off to drive.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 09 February, 2015, 06:35:39 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

Really? I can see it if you've been told not to drive by your medic, or if it can be shown that the pot/boot makes it impossible to do so safely, but in the absence of such an instruction, I reckon a citation's needed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 February, 2015, 06:54:36 pm
I think there was a picture of 3 riders and his lady on faceache the other day, showing her (Alicia?) with her foot in a pot!
If that's the case all credit to her for her support, wonder if she is on sick leave  :o

Read on one of Tarzan's webby presences that she'd b0rked her ankle back in the tail end of last year
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 09 February, 2015, 07:46:12 pm
There was some mention of him doing a race at Sebring at the weekend. He's a 12 Hour rider.
The CTT record stands at just over 317 miles.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record-40174

Wilko probably didn't do many miles the next day.  I saw your video of him being helped off his bike at the end of his 541mile 24-hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tix9iF3reSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tix9iF3reSE)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 09 February, 2015, 07:48:05 pm
http://www.bikesebring.org/ (http://www.bikesebring.org/)

It will be interesting to see how  he approaches it and if it has any after effects. Isn't Hoppo riding it as well?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ruthie on 09 February, 2015, 08:09:48 pm
http://www.bikesebring.org/ (http://www.bikesebring.org/)

It will be interesting to see how  he approaches it and if it has any after effects. Isn't Hoppo riding it as well?

Yes he is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 February, 2015, 08:10:46 pm
Hoppo said he was doing the 24, and wanting to break 500, he was second last year, albeit to a HPV, with 468.1 miles. http://www.racesmith.com/results/2014results/BikeSebring24Hours021514.html
He outlined the course at the end of the Mere 200. I included that in the longer version of a film examining PBP, at 3mins 53. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV3vIO12P1w&index=2&list=UUYNT2G0DWGA3uIjxK-nEwVg

Kurt was 3rd in the 12 hour, with 257, behind a Slovenian and a bloke on a recumbent.
http://www.racesmith.com/results/2014results/BikeSebring12Hours021514.html

I'd go with 240 for Kurt in the 12.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 09 February, 2015, 09:17:33 pm

I'd go with 240 for Kurt in the 12.

He will probably exceed 240 miles as the Sebring 12hr race is not a true TT. It's really more of a 12hr road race (drafting allowed). Also, with the cold weather that is forecast, many of the strong 24hr racers will most likely end up racing the 12hr instead, giving him more fast drafting partners.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 09 February, 2015, 10:34:37 pm
I doubt the Sebring will have ever been watched so closely on this side of the pond!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 February, 2015, 12:30:34 am
Pete Goodfellow won the 12 hour in 2010. He's the son of our own Blackburnrod. They hold the 24 hour tandem record that Guy Martin and his mate dodged in that TV programme, also under the auspices of the UMCA. Here's a description of the event.

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It was with some trepidation that I stood on the start line of this uniquely American 12 hour event, along with 180 fellow cyclists.  I’d heard about the heat, the strong winds, and the fact that Chris Hopkinson had come to ride this event 5 years ago and finished 5th.  All in all I’d started to doubt the reasonableness of the idea of coming to Florida in February (not traditionally our racing season) to visit my father and get some miles in by way of a “quick 12hour event”.

It was some 17 years since I last finished a 12 hour, but I did have the advantage of my supporting team (my father) having ridden and won many 12 and 24 hour events – so he was ready with plenty of bottles, food, and sensible advice.

The event began at 06:30 on Saturday 13th February. Unlike British races it is a bunch start with three laps of the 3.7 mile Sebring racing circuit first. This was mayhem, at 25mph plus lined out in the semi light, as day began, but we were soon off the circuit and onto the 100 mile loop up north into central Florida.

The wind didn’t disappoint with a steady 20 to 25mph wind all day, but the warmth did – at around 10 degrees centigrade most of the morning it was tights and gloves weather. The first 100 miles shot by with attacks going off here and there and being chased down.  By the 110 mile point where we rejoined the “pit area” at the track the group was whittled down to 5 riders, with just two of us working hard to get away.

The next 5 or 6 hours were on an 11 mile loop, which meant two stretches with hard cross headwinds, the second with a series of climbs, and a fast return straight with a tailwind. I was drinking a 750ml bottle every 45mins or so, and during the day eating an energy bar every 2 hours, and also had 3 ham sandwiches handed to me, which made a nice change. In addition chocolate and peanut butter cakes also made a tasty appearance twice. 

The race was quickly whittled down to myself and my nemesis, a big fellow (like me) from Arkansas. After trailing him for almost an hour, when the gap went up to over a minute I gradually hauled him back in. At about 195 miles I passed him and got away to find myself alone with no other bikes other than the ones I was lapping who would sit in for a while if they could. The long headwind stretches were hard, and the tailwind stretches flat out.

Finally at just over 11 hours we were guided back onto the motor racing circuit for a final few laps of pain. With about 20 minutes to go I caught my nemesis who was now a lap behind and thus 3.7 miles behind me and the final 2 laps were an absolute pleasure, to finish just short of 12 hours with a total of 247 miles.

I had ridden the event on my Planet X road bike, and was as such the only rider in the top few who rode without tri bars which caused some comment in the results hall. Anyway I got to hold up the pride of Britain, and came back with a  winners medal and quite some Kudos with the Americans.

http://petegoodfellow.weebly.com/race-blog.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 10 February, 2015, 06:42:57 am
I doubt the Sebring will have ever been watched so closely on this side of the pond!

+1

Pete Goodfellow won the 12 hour in 2010.

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my nemesis, a big fellow (like me) from Arkansas.

That'll be Kurt then! http://www.racesmith.com/results/2010results/BikeSebring12Hours021310.html (http://www.racesmith.com/results/2010results/BikeSebring12Hours021310.html)

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MALE SOLO 12 HR AGE GROUP:  40 - 44
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   166 Peter Goodfellow         40   17 11:59:37 246.8
    2   172 Anthony Parsells         40   12 11:57:31 196.7
    3   109 Andrew Holton            43   11 11:54:41 192.9
    4   191 Milton Behrens           44    6 09:22:36 158.4
    5   187 James Russell            40    3 10:46:52 123.6
    6   102 Julian Schafer           44    1 05:18:37 100.4
    7   162 Tom Everett              41    1 08:58:47 100.4
MALE SOLO 12 HR AGE GROUP:  45 - 49
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   179 Kurt Searvogel           47   16 12:00:16 243.1
    2   194 Darin Crowley            48   10 11:49:59 197.0
    3   111 James Young              45   12 11:50:16 196.7
    4   156 Steve Bereheiko          49    9 11:39:35 185.4
    5   192 Andy Dignam              46   10 11:53:36 181.3
    6   181 Duane Ball               49    4 07:25:06 135.2
    7   206 Andrea Tosolini          48    2 05:22:06 112.0
    8   186 Daniel Christesen        48    1 06:48:06 100.4
    9   168 Scott Handley            47    1 10:36:26 100.4 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 10 February, 2015, 08:18:30 am
I like his latest Facebook vid - testicular fortitude is what he needs  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 10 February, 2015, 08:49:18 am
Another benefit of his faster schedule, that he seems to have some chill out time. Wonder if their will be as much attention to the beer in the shot as Steve was given earlier.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2015, 09:02:44 am
A reasonable position would be a beer in the evening is fine, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2015, 03:16:14 pm
He's a bit slow this morning.  "Only" averaging 27 km/h according to Ivan's SCIENCE.  More Visitations?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 10 February, 2015, 05:28:29 pm
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   179 Kurt Searvogel           47   16 12:00:16 243.1

Fast ! Was it on an upright bike or a recumbent ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 10 February, 2015, 06:08:13 pm
It's a reasonable distance, but it's not really that fast.  It wouldn't get you into the top 10 on a typical UK 12-hour.

It sounds like it was on an upright TT bike - probably like he's riding now, but it also says that drafting is allowed
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 10 February, 2015, 06:17:50 pm
It's a reasonable distance, but it's not really that fast.  It wouldn't get you into the top 10 on a typical UK 12-hour.

It sounds like it was on an upright TT bike - probably like he's riding now, but it also says that drafting is allowed

What Frank really neans is that it's about 20 miles less than he rode in the Newbury 12 last year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 10 February, 2015, 06:21:55 pm
We now know the answer to what happens when Kurt meets hills (the hills of Florida) and rain: He curtails his riding for the day.

At a respectable 181 miles, mind you, but it's rather short of what he's been putting in.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 10 February, 2015, 07:13:29 pm
Does draughting always lead to faster times? Could be tactics at play.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 10 February, 2015, 07:18:51 pm
Does draughting always lead to faster times? Could be tactics at play.
I was thinking the same thing!

(It sounds quite an odd event - I'd need to read some more accounts to understand the tactics. Also - aero-kit in a  mass race sounds very dodgy! )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 February, 2015, 07:26:01 pm
Sebring is famous for a 12 hour motor race, so this is to the same sort of formula. The 24 Hour is a non-drafting RAAM qualifier.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 10 February, 2015, 08:10:02 pm
We now know the answer to what happens when Kurt meets hills (the hills of Florida) and rain: He curtails his riding for the day.

At a respectable 181 miles, mind you, but it's rather short of what he's been putting in.

You can seed rain with aircraft, can't you?

Paging TimC and any other YACF pilots ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 10 February, 2015, 08:15:06 pm
In Florida, simply planning to launch a rocket seems to suffice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 10 February, 2015, 09:01:07 pm

(It sounds quite an odd event - I'd need to read some more accounts to understand the tactics. Also - aero-kit in a  mass race sounds very dodgy! )

Here's Kurts write-up from 2012 when he broke the record- http://www.ultraracenews.com/2012/02/23/searvogels-sebring-record-the-hard-way/ (http://www.ultraracenews.com/2012/02/23/searvogels-sebring-record-the-hard-way/)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2015, 10:16:11 pm
I see he's been past the Banana River Aquatic Reserve today. I wonder if he could send some for the gibbons?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 10 February, 2015, 11:02:26 pm
Easing off on the mileage before Sebring?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 February, 2015, 11:06:53 pm
He's still going, and it's just after 6pm Florida time. He's gone on later than this before. Another 2 hours could see him over 200 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 11 February, 2015, 01:44:53 am
212.6 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 February, 2015, 07:10:56 am
Easing off on the mileage before Sebring?

err...no then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 11 February, 2015, 07:40:14 am
Kurts slick semi pro crew showing how they handle navigation (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206171347628764&set=vb.1416129978&type=2&theater) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 11 February, 2015, 08:43:46 am
I noted that he tagged Steve in that. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 11 February, 2015, 10:57:15 am
I noted that he tagged Steve in that. ;D

Amusing little snippet - showing what many are now seeing on here - that he has a pretty good sense of humour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 February, 2015, 11:33:59 am
???? He was on the wrong side of the road. ????

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on 11 February, 2015, 11:47:44 am
I loved the wry smile when he finally got the message.
When chatting to Steve last weekend, we were laughing about the clip when Kurt had had a bike failure and was sorting it out himself with his "support" faffing around filming.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 11 February, 2015, 01:36:56 pm
Tazan is up and running. 06:10am
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 11 February, 2015, 01:56:03 pm
....and another great video on FB, and if the accompanying photo is anything to go by then it's no wonder he keeps having mechanicals ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 11 February, 2015, 03:16:30 pm
That's not a bad way to snap stays.

But the latest video is really funny.  Really frustrating delays, but he's laughing about it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 11 February, 2015, 11:08:42 pm
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on 12 February, 2015, 06:13:52 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 12 February, 2015, 07:09:26 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.
You can pack lots of calories in 3  litres of energy drink (5 or 6 bidons) ....
..... Kurt's modus operandi is not to stop very much so it makes sense for his style of riding - would be uncomfortable on his bent though ...

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 12 February, 2015, 07:34:44 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.

The Camelbak really comes into its own when the heat is on. When I rode PAC tour and temps were in the high nineties every day, we used to fill them with ice rather than water. The ambient heat meant that the ice melted thus ensuring a continuous supply of cold water to drink. I think the cooling effect of this on your inner core was arguable more important that the hydrationary effect.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 February, 2015, 07:37:19 am
+1 on LeoW

On the flat, mass of the vehicle only becomes a disadvantage during acceleration from low to higher velocity. If the vehicle’s frontal area is kept similar and constant velocity is maintained, a little extra mass can be advantageous when drive is ceased, to maintain momentum.

Kurt doesn’t intend to stop very often. He aims to maintain a steady velocity on the flat of Florida and not need to accelerate too much, so a few pounds won’t bother him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 12 February, 2015, 12:58:37 pm
More than 500 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis. Looking forward to what he can do at Sebring.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 12 February, 2015, 02:01:38 pm
I think it's a Camelbag.
You can pack lots of calories in 3  litres of energy drink (5 or 6 bidons) ....
..... Kurt's modus operandi is not to stop very much so it makes sense for his style of riding - would be uncomfortable on his bent though ...

Nahh, hydration bags work better on 'bents than on uprights, as you can sensibly attach them to the bike (rear rack or back of the seat is usual) rather than your back.  Also, if you can arrange for the tube to run in the shadow of the seat, the airflow will cool a tube-full (which is about a mouthful) at a time back down to ambient temperature (rather than hydration-bag-in-the-sun temperature).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 12 February, 2015, 02:18:32 pm
More than 500 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis. Looking forward to what he can do at Sebring.

It should be a big day if he finds fast riders to work with. I also fully expect him to keep riding after the 12hr time limit is up.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 13 February, 2015, 10:48:50 am
I note Kurt had a bit of excitement yesterday when his heart rate briefly peaked at 186bpm. Anyone know what brought that on? Did he actually find the one hill in Florida or something? Trying to escape a hungry gator perhaps?

Still below 100bpm average for the day though. Which is staggering.

Do we know Kurt and/or Steve's resting HR?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 13 February, 2015, 12:40:11 pm
We should see the first of Kurt's 'rest days' today, in preparation for Sebring tomorrow (not up yet at time of posting). However, given his phenomenal performance so far, and that his average heart rate is often <100 whilst comfortably turning out 200 miles, maybe it won't be so different to normal!

Any guesses? 100, 150, 200...? I'm assuming he'll try to keep his average across the weekend the same or slightly up on his daily average.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 13 February, 2015, 02:01:26 pm
Well he hasn't started today yet so I think you're probably right about the rest day.



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 13 February, 2015, 02:16:28 pm
We should see the first of Kurt's 'rest days' today, in preparation for Sebring tomorrow (not up yet at time of posting). However, given his phenomenal performance so far, and that his average heart rate is often <100 whilst comfortably turning out 200 miles, maybe it won't be so different to normal!

Any guesses? 100, 150, 200...? I'm assuming he'll try to keep his average across the weekend the same or slightly up on his daily average.

I think he's a competitive guy, its in his bones, and he will be going for it in a big way.
He has a 500 mile buffer over Steve on like for like time, and the world (well YACF, the Germans and the Aussies) are watching him.
I predict a new record and a very short or full day off in celebration.  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Graeme on 13 February, 2015, 02:49:34 pm
Tarzan moves!

So - what sort of "rest day" awaits... 100 miles? 150 miles? a mere 200?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 13 February, 2015, 02:50:04 pm
Tarzan moves!

So - what sort of "rest day" awaits... 100 miles? 150 miles? a mere 200?

I see what you did there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 13 February, 2015, 04:18:02 pm
While out yesterday - I was thinking about Tarzan - and the team's expectation that he would not complete the year - pressure getting to him.

BUT - I have a feeling that with his new partner - his thought processes will change and he has a reason to show her - exactly who is king of the jungle --

I am beginning to think that Tarzan will go all year - and the desire to show off to Alicia - is going to give Steve a hell of a challenge.

Roger
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2015, 04:49:36 pm
That could be true. However, a new relationship is untested and Alicia might wake up one morning and say to herself "What am I doing here?"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 13 February, 2015, 05:07:54 pm
From reading Steve's various ride reports over the years, it always does seem to have been about pain management, medical conditions etc. boils/abscesses, bloody stools etc.

We're only about a 10th of the way in. It won't take much to knock someone out for a few days, food poisoning, saddle sores etc. Think about how run down your immune system will be. I get acne after a 600, I have no idea what shape I'll be in after a month, 2 months  continuously on the bike etc. It's all unknown territory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 13 February, 2015, 06:35:14 pm
pain management, medical conditions etc. boils/abscesses, bloody stools etc.

Audax UK has its new slogan for recruiting new members right there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 13 February, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
While out yesterday - I was thinking about Tarzan - and the team's expectation that he would not complete the year - pressure getting to him.

BUT - I have a feeling that with his new partner - his thought processes will change and he has a reason to show her - exactly who is king of the jungle --

I am beginning to think that Tarzan will go all year - and the desire to show off to Alicia - is going to give Steve a hell of a challenge.

Roger

Why would he not complete the year? Burnout?

Not likely, his HR is about the same as Steve's, but Kurt is being smart, utilising a brute of a diesel engine, tailwinds and keeping a constant power output is what is keeping Tarzan ahead of the game.

I don't think there is any desire to show off to Alicia, Kurt is riding his own ride and Alicia knows he'll make history and she can say I was there so there is no chance of her bailing.

As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 13 February, 2015, 06:50:41 pm
I reckon about 100 'easy' miles for the day and then bed. Start time for Sebring is 0630hrs, with check in from 0500hrs. So only another few hours riding if he wants his 12 hours rest.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 13 February, 2015, 07:05:49 pm
As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
In the interests of balancing out the contest,  I've written to tarzan with an unreserved endorsement of your skills and knowledge,  LMT.

I hope he can find space for you in his motor-home -  it would make everyone happy.

(Except possibly Alicia ... )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 13 February, 2015, 07:14:37 pm
^  ;D

He'd be better off with IronOx.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 13 February, 2015, 07:16:43 pm
As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
In the interests of balancing out the contest,  I've written to tarzan with an unreserved endorsement of your skills and knowledge,  LMT.

I hope he can find space for you in his motor-home -  it would make everyone happy.

(Except possibly Alicia ... )


Many thanks Matt but I don't think he needs my help, besides which there is the hassle of getting a Visa, packing and what not.

I will say this though - Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 13 February, 2015, 07:18:10 pm
Why would Steve want a saboteur in the team, a viper in the nest?   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 13 February, 2015, 08:37:45 pm
Aye, I was about to post "this is not my beautiful house!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 13 February, 2015, 09:09:56 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 February, 2015, 09:11:40 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn

Several, actually.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 13 February, 2015, 09:15:43 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn

He did a short day of about 178 miles when it rained ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 13 February, 2015, 09:16:36 pm
.............and attractive minibus drivers called Alicia  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on 13 February, 2015, 09:19:33 pm
........ and a knack for busting bikes
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 14 February, 2015, 01:41:17 am
That could be true. However, a new relationship is untested and Alicia might wake up one morning and say to herself "What am I doing here?"

Thanks to Wow's comment I now have the Talking Heads song Once In A Lifetime in my head.

Actuarily, "How did I get here?"

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 14 February, 2015, 05:46:41 am
Those who called a rest day were spot on.  Although 200km is still a tidy ride.

I suspect today won't be a rest day  :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 14 February, 2015, 10:37:41 am
Follow Tarzan and Hoppo here, what time does it start GMT  ???

http://racesmith.com/results/2015results/BikeSebring24Hours021415.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 14 February, 2015, 11:08:31 am
Starts at 11:30 pm I think as Florida is 5 hours behind the UK .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 14 February, 2015, 11:11:54 am
Shouldn't that be 1130am  ?

ie in 20 minutes
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 14 February, 2015, 11:14:03 am
Doh!  :facepalm: yes my bad 11:30 am


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 14 February, 2015, 11:42:38 am
And their off , it will be  interesting to see Kurt's total for today .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 14 February, 2015, 11:49:40 am
Hope he goes well.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 14 February, 2015, 12:13:19 pm
I'm confused. I think I need advice as to how well I should want Kurt to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 14 February, 2015, 12:18:43 pm
Good luck to him and safe riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 14 February, 2015, 12:20:23 pm
So, have Kurt and Hoppo both got their HPXes ready?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2015, 12:22:35 pm
I hope he crashes and breaks both his legs.

Jks
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 14 February, 2015, 12:24:05 pm
http://highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/cyclists-test-the-limits-of-their-abilities-20150213/


I hope conditions are the worst ever,  and Kurt  triumphs in a thrilling finish.

Wth 80 miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 14 February, 2015, 12:30:11 pm
Love the irony of the title of that particular publication (and the county it serves).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 February, 2015, 12:35:30 pm
It will be interesting to see how he tackles the ride. The others there are doing the race as a 'one-off' with recovery time afterwards. Kurt doesn't have that luxury.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 14 February, 2015, 12:55:15 pm
Is it just me or does Tarzan have something of a Mike Mills thing going on?  Perhaps cycling is his new thing now R.E.M. have broken up?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7382/15904187984_a5b25bc8cf_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2015, 01:04:01 pm
Jeez, I thought British local press was badly written...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 14 February, 2015, 01:08:32 pm
Jeez, I thought British local press was badly written...


Quote
...and has only two joints in his knees,...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 February, 2015, 01:15:14 pm
Quote

The event that does not allow for drafting is a qualifying event for the Race Across America, in which ultra cyclists travel from one coast to the next.


And there was me thinking RAAM was just a straight west-east affair.  I didn't realise they had to visit Prudhoe Bay as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 14 February, 2015, 02:05:02 pm
I was expecting Kurt to be doing lots of loops today around Sebring racetrack and wondered what he was doing as the tracker shows him heading north.

I found this Strava entry

http://www.strava.com/activities/9490905/overview (http://www.strava.com/activities/9490905/overview)

So its a few laps to start with on the raceway
Head north and then back approx. 140 km
Loops of roads to the west of Sebring raceway (16.6 km loop)
Once dark on to the racetrack itself (5.8 km loop)

Yesterday he was about 80 mile short of what he had been averaging. I'm expecting a big day today and the Strava link shows he achieved 274 miles back in the 12hr TT at Sebring in 2012.

I'm thinking he will have a similar day today and make up for yesterday, but hope he really feels it tomorrow  ;D 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 14 February, 2015, 03:51:50 pm
Good little video on Tarzan's fb page where they interview Hoppo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on 14 February, 2015, 04:05:41 pm
200k = rest day??? :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2015, 05:29:07 pm
If I'm reading the results page correctly, Kurt has clocked up 124.9 miles (3 laps*) in 5hrs 41mins. Crikey. Looking at the time gaps, it seems he's riding on his own rather than in a group.

Hoppo went through the end of the 3rd lap four minutes quicker.

*the first lap being the 100 mile loop.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 14 February, 2015, 06:35:07 pm
Hoppo's riding the 24.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2015, 06:55:50 pm
Same course though, innit?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 14 February, 2015, 07:00:11 pm
Same course though, innit?

Ho yus. Hoppo then has a week of half-term to grow his hair back normal colour and down the sides before school restarts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 14 February, 2015, 07:01:06 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 14 February, 2015, 08:04:50 pm
The tracker is showing 149 miles for Kurt at 2000 GMT, whereas the RaceSmith results page is showing 172 miles since 1130 GMT which fits in with Kurt's 20+ mph average. 

So why the low reading from the tracker?  Can't believe he stopped part way to reset!

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 14 February, 2015, 08:09:54 pm
The tracker can't record those small loops they are doing its just tracking point to point.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 14 February, 2015, 08:22:35 pm
Thanks Jack, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 14 February, 2015, 08:35:11 pm
Bike Sebring results & splits are on here: http://www.racesmith.com/results.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 14 February, 2015, 10:08:37 pm
He's in the lead now - 218 miles in 10hrs 11mins.

Will be very interesting to see his HR data to get an idea of how much of an effort this is requiring.

Hoppo, meanwhile, seems slightly off the pace in the 24. Long, long way to go in that one yet though...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 14 February, 2015, 10:16:29 pm
Hoppo might be coping with effects of jet-lag, which (with luck) means he'll catch up later on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 14 February, 2015, 10:31:55 pm
http://twitter.com/Hoppo347/status/566722625083543552/photo/1
Can't work out if this is a negative message from Hoppo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 14 February, 2015, 10:39:23 pm
Think it's just him showing off that he had a Corvette as a hire car. 2:16pm would be before the start I think
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2015, 12:04:38 am
I'm trying to decipher these results.

http://www.racesmith.com/results/2015results/BikeSebring12HoursSplits021415.html

The riders have been placed in some order I don't understand - number of laps? Tarzan's is the 5th name on the list but the number of miles attributed to him is 241.5 in 15 laps. How can a rider who has completed 16 laps have fewer miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 15 February, 2015, 12:09:56 am
Typo? Looks ok now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 15 February, 2015, 02:42:40 am
According to F/B he's done 263 miles
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 15 February, 2015, 07:07:58 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.

Will be interesting to see whether these race day efforts are compatible with the year long TT.  Ordinarily I'd suggest no, the body needs to rest after stressing it to this extent, but both Kurt and Steve appear to be wired differently to most of us.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 15 February, 2015, 07:22:50 am
They're certainly not compatible with _optimal_ pacing for the 1Year total. You can't just change physics and physiology for a day.

But I think the races/audaxes are more about a mental boost for these two. As they're entering different events,  we'll never know who made the best decisions! (especially without any blood monitoring, or oxygen consumption,  etc ... )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2015, 08:05:12 am
Now his name is listed twice, in first and seventh places. I think that results service leaves a good deal to be desired.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 15 February, 2015, 08:08:06 am
I won't be surprised if someone claims Kurt has cloned himself to diddle Steve of his place in history.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 February, 2015, 08:12:06 am
That would explain how he racks up so many miles and has the time to appear in so many videos. :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 15 February, 2015, 08:53:17 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.

Will be interesting to see whether these race day efforts are compatible with the year long TT.  Ordinarily I'd suggest no, the body needs to rest after stressing it to this extent, but both Kurt and Steve appear to be wired differently to most of us.

When you check the Strava weekstats Kurt is now 3,9km ahead of Steve with only the sunday to go. Expecting Kurt to take it 'easy' today the week total could still be in favour of Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on 15 February, 2015, 09:40:37 am
Tarzan's estimated mileage today according to tracker.......


......7,946.84.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 15 February, 2015, 10:53:24 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.
...
He wasn't entered in the recumbent category - that's probably his first full on day on his TT bike.

My heart rate rises if anyone overtakes me on the way to work - even if I'm trying to go at strolling pace in work togs intending to not get sweaty - I can't imagine being in a race and thinking "back off my heartrate might exceed 100 bpm!"

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 15 February, 2015, 11:05:52 am
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 February, 2015, 11:10:04 am
Think it's just him showing off that he had a Corvette as a hire car. 2:16pm would be before the start I think

Except that's a Camaro.  They offered me one in Denver last year but I took the Mudstang instead on the grounds that I already knew where the headlight switch was.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 15 February, 2015, 12:16:44 pm
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.


Quite right!  Go Tarzan!



Go further, Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 February, 2015, 02:23:21 pm
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.

Though average out Friday & Saturday and it's "only" 300-odd km per day...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 15 February, 2015, 02:24:42 pm
You have to admire the pair of 'em.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 15 February, 2015, 03:21:02 pm
But on like for like days Kurt is still 513 miles ahead of Steve.
Hes off again today and on the near 20mph avg again, growing in admiration for this machine.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 15 February, 2015, 10:10:06 pm
167 miles so far and still rolling along at 20 mph. And after yesterday!

I tink da guy cud be a contenda
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 15 February, 2015, 11:50:27 pm
211 miles so far now. The day after a punishing 12hr, that is quite something.


Mmm..just hit "refresh" and it dropped to 187???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 16 February, 2015, 06:18:09 am
200 miles. Hardcore.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 16 February, 2015, 06:53:20 am
Tarzan - looking pretty lean an' mean on the Sebring 12hr
http://www.seanrayford.com/p885856118/e16bac7b1 (http://www.seanrayford.com/p885856118/e16bac7b1)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 16 February, 2015, 06:56:43 am
Impressive saturday for Kurt. But in reality it gave him hardly any advantage over Steve. When you check the week results he gained only 14km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 16 February, 2015, 07:36:46 am
Silver linings.

Although tbh Kurt's efforts this weekend have impressed me the most so far in this crazy contest.  Steve is monotonous, sensible and organised.  Kurt adds the frisson of excitement that comes with throwing a grenade in the room.  Will it blow up or is the pin still in? 

Alex Higgins vs Steve Davis.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 16 February, 2015, 08:57:27 am
Just seen KS' Sebring Strava, 423km at an average of ~34.5km/h...   Good grief.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 16 February, 2015, 09:08:29 am
I think Kurt is more organised than it appears. Someone who stops so little whilst out on the bike has to be.

Yes he has the Florida advantage but for me Kurt is a daunting challenger, take yesterday for example; Kurt traveled more miles than Steve in 3 hours less elapsed time. He regularly has 12 hrs downtime compared to Steves 8 hrs and it appears still rides within his comfort zone.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 February, 2015, 09:26:57 am
Kurt has been reading Coggan.  ;)

Exercise at 85% and your muscles will be stimulated to develop, making future rides of the same speed less taxing.
Ride at considerably less than 50% and your muscles will deteriorate. Florida has no hills to get up to 85%, so a few 85% sessions is for muscle maintenance.

Steve is riding hills resulting in a slower overall pace for the day. He’s getting his 85% muscle maintenance every day without purposefully planning intervals on the flat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 16 February, 2015, 10:01:49 am
Just seen KS' Sebring Strava, 423km at an average of ~34.5km/h...   Good grief.

I think the really impressive thing is that he went out and boshed off another 200 miles the following day!  (at 19.5mph av.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 February, 2015, 10:28:38 am
Looking at the powercurve for my Specialized Shiv, 19.5 mph is 125 Watts.

If I double the power, the speed increases to 25 mph.

Such is aerodynamics.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 16 February, 2015, 12:10:20 pm
Kurt got beaten by a girl on a recumbent, he should hang his head in shame. ;)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 16 February, 2015, 12:18:31 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 February, 2015, 01:28:29 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Aha,, Pizza ia an all round meal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 16 February, 2015, 01:47:36 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Spiz, McDonald's, and Pizza are his main staples.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 16 February, 2015, 02:21:28 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Aha,, Pizza ia an all round meal.

(http://pinchmysalt.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/img_7653-version-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 February, 2015, 02:25:43 pm
Some have tried to make it a square meal.

( goes searching for photo of Scicilian pizza )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 16 February, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
Our local Snappy Pizza do square pizzas.   You get soooo much more junk food for your money.    :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 16 February, 2015, 04:35:48 pm
Tarte flambée (pizza-like speciality of Alsace) is usually rectangular.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 16 February, 2015, 05:30:17 pm
He needs to get himself to Scotland, where he can pick up a deep fried pizza with chips.  Particularly if he washes it down with a litre of Irn Bru.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 16 February, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
My German friends can't work out what kind of bird Kurt is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 16 February, 2015, 05:54:48 pm
Burnt seagull

(reminds me of that concord joke)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 16 February, 2015, 09:23:28 pm
Tarzan's cooking on gasoline.

185 miles and still roughly 3 hours of riding time still to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 16 February, 2015, 10:44:56 pm
My German friends can't work out what kind of bird Kurt is.

A bad ass mother f**ker of a bird.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 17 February, 2015, 12:11:57 am
228 miles on the tracker and he is still going!! :o

Anyways, I'm off to bed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 17 February, 2015, 12:16:32 am
Chapped lips, and a touch of sunburn on the latest selfie
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 17 February, 2015, 05:12:35 am
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

http://youtu.be/IhJQp-q1Y1s
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 17 February, 2015, 09:18:48 am
Article on Tarzan http://road.cc/content/news/142999-year-record-us-contender-kurt-searvogel-smashes-out-biggest-day-yet

Comments are a bit crazy
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on 17 February, 2015, 09:34:29 am
The comments are awful - makes me ashamed to be a Brit!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 February, 2015, 09:48:55 am
They don't seem too bad - mebbe there has been some pruning.

I was initially anti-Tarzan (bloody Yanks, coming over here, taking our women, etc) but I have to say that his humour and impressive speed is getting me to like him. I still want to see Steve get and hold the record, but I'd hate for Tarzan to end up not finishing due to breakdowns or an accident (or, CyclingDiety forbid, psychological pressure).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 17 February, 2015, 09:54:38 am
I think they have been pruned, there was a comment from Hoppo telling people to get their facts straight before criticizing Tarzan
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on 17 February, 2015, 10:21:55 am
I read about two hours ago loads of comments that Steve's conditions were much harder (weather, wind) and that Tarzan was riding on the flat. Hoppo had responded to several but I guess they've given up and just pruned 'em which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 17 February, 2015, 10:23:30 am
I think they have been pruned, there was a comment from Hoppo telling people to get their facts straight before criticizing Tarzan

Nice one Hoppo. I saw the article early on and some of the comments were bang out of order.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 17 February, 2015, 11:00:36 am
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 17 February, 2015, 11:47:21 am
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

Average HR still under 100bpm too. Phenomenal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 February, 2015, 12:00:46 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?
Sounds like Alicia had a day off, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 17 February, 2015, 12:21:07 pm
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

Average HR still under 100bpm too. Phenomenal.

It's looking like he is a pretty special athlete.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 February, 2015, 12:47:53 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?

IRTA "temporarily without supper".  This strikes me as being a Bad Thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on 17 February, 2015, 01:04:35 pm
I finally remembered the song title for him - done by Dolly Parton when she was still a teen (18 I think although she might have been younger).
 
  This Dumb Blonde
(click to show/hide)
  :thumbsup:

 Still prefer the sheer British aesthetism of Steve's Style though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 17 February, 2015, 01:19:50 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?

IRTA "temporarily without supper".  This strikes me as being a Bad Thing.
He would have had to be a very very naughty boy indeed for that. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 18 February, 2015, 01:24:10 am
210 miles at 20.5 for today....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 18 February, 2015, 10:48:54 am
Interesting that yesterday for the first time Kurt stopped while out on the bike for longer than Steve, the effect of no support from Alicia or has he posted more problems.

On his day 39 he is now 600 miles up on Steve on like for like days, its early but even that is a scary distance to make up, 3 days behind.
GO Teethgrinder
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 18 February, 2015, 12:38:15 pm
Another way to look at it (and there are many, I know): over the last 8 days (a short and arbitrary period, based on when I started copying the stats at the bottom of Jo's progress graph visualization), Steve's ave miles per day has gone up steadily by 1.7 to 187.9 whereas Kurt's has stayed at 201.4.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2015, 10:45:38 pm
Has Tarzan had another lift in the support vehicle?

I reckon they've driven a few miles to the Trail Glades Range and he's gone out again after parking the camper van. It's another big day though, but 210 miles already?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 February, 2015, 11:31:02 pm
And 45 minutes later, 223 recorded miles. This bloke's incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 06:09:56 am
Oh dear....just watched his latest vid on FB where he admits to having a beer. Hope the UMCA din't react too strongly.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 19 February, 2015, 06:15:57 am
...and another (minor) crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 19 February, 2015, 07:18:34 am
He's participating in Strava MTS.  And leading it, with Steve 300km behind.

He hasn't joined the climbing challenge for some reason ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 19 February, 2015, 08:10:24 am
One of my facebook comments quoted  ::-)

http://crookedlettercycling.com/2015/02/18/riding-miles-february-update-highest-annual-mileage-record/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on 19 February, 2015, 08:34:53 am
Quote from that:

"Many enthusiasts in the United States and the UK, of course, see the challenge as a competition between the two cyclists, and want their native bloke to win. But this challenge should transcend the head-to-head competition. We should cheer and support both cyclists. Both men are riding unfathomable miles with completely different approaches."

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 19 February, 2015, 08:43:58 am
Quote from that:

"Many enthusiasts in the United States and the UK, of course, see the challenge as a competition between the two cyclists, and want their native bloke to win. But this challenge should transcend the head-to-head competition. We should cheer and support both cyclists. Both men are riding unfathomable miles with completely different approaches."

 :thumbsup:

+many on that
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 19 February, 2015, 09:01:59 am
It's PBP vs RAAM, not UK vs US. 

The British vs American thing is not at all interesting but the contest between randonneur and ultra-racer is quite fascinating.  There was a quote a few weeks back from someone from RUSA who said that they were behind Steve because they felt he was one of their kind of cyclist.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2015, 09:11:24 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 19 February, 2015, 09:13:05 am
It's PBP vs RAAM, not UK vs US. 

The British vs American thing is not at all interesting but the contest between randonneur and ultra-racer is quite fascinating.  There was a quote a few weeks back from someone from RUSA who said that they were behind Steve because they felt he was one of their kind of cyclist.

^--- Yes, I put my '+1' behind that. Not interested in national pride but am interested in the styles of participation they represent. And Steve is A Very Nice GuyTM, but for all I know, so is Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 February, 2015, 09:22:52 am
Oh dear....just watched his latest vid on FB where he admits to having a beer. Hope the UMCA din't react too strongly.

He popped to the pub for a swift half at lunchtime, and thought the gaffer didn't notice. Then he got a loose tongue.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 19 February, 2015, 09:29:04 am
One thing I really like, is that Steve is riding a bike that Halfords is knocking out at £550 (admittedly he has made some alterations).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 19 February, 2015, 09:55:51 am
One thing I really like, is that Steve is riding a bike that Halfords is knocking out at £550 (admittedly he has made some alterations).

Steve's wheels alone cost more per pair than the off-the-shelf Sojourn.

(Stan's Alpha 400 rims = £240 rrp, Hope Pro 2 EVO rear hub = £155 rrp, front hub = £65 rrp, no idea what spokes he's using)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on 19 February, 2015, 10:01:18 am
So what is the rule about alcohol and the challenge?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 19 February, 2015, 10:01:39 am
In one of the interviews at the start, Steve boasted of setting his 24 hour PB on a 500 pound bike ... and then admitted that he'd been borrowing two grand's worth of carbon Campag Bora wheels from LWaB.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 19 February, 2015, 10:02:58 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 19 February, 2015, 10:05:58 am
The alcohol rule can be found here (http://www.ultracycling.com/sections/records/docs/UMCA_records_packet_2015.pdf).  It's part of the blanket rules for UMCA records rather than a specific part of the HAMR rules. 

Quote
XIV a) The use of alcohol, drugs or controlled substances (except as prescribed by physician) is prohibited. This applies to riders, crew and UMCA officials.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 February, 2015, 10:07:30 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>

I think it was LWaB who pointed out that they had got their knickers in a twist over the wine in the picture. That was what brought the rule to YACF's attention.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 19 February, 2015, 10:10:13 am
In one of the interviews at the start, Steve boasted of setting his 24 hour PB on a 500 pound bike ... and then admitted that he'd been borrowing two grand's worth of carbon Campag Bora wheels from LWaB.

£ or lbs  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 February, 2015, 10:11:54 am
Actually from HK. I don't have any racing wheels in this part of the world and nothing like Boras in any case.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 19 February, 2015, 10:17:32 am
I stand corrected! 

As for the pounds, I'm on a forrin keyboard and can't be bothered to find the Alt code for a pound sign.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 19 February, 2015, 10:21:32 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>

No. It wasn't.

There was a clarification from the UCMA about it and the thread rightly disappeared. It said something about no alcohol during the attempt. I guess that could be interpreted as during the hours logged as ridden.

It's for the UCMA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 19 February, 2015, 10:23:10 am
My personal view ......

Alcohol - it was a team member who got over protective about the bottle of wine -  he was familiar with the UMCA rule -- an unnecessary kerfuffle, as Steve was not drinking it  -- although the rule in relation to an annual challenge is foolish - but carried over by default from the RAAM rules - when it is sensible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 19 February, 2015, 10:23:56 am
From the article linked upthread:

"Abraham’s attempt at the record is a little harder to follow, as his Facebook page is not as active as Searvogel’s. "

He should come visit here, we seem to know what what cafe or hotel buffet breakfast he is at at anytime.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 February, 2015, 10:42:49 am
Good. Facebook is crap.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 19 February, 2015, 10:52:04 am
Good. Facebook is crap.

Maybe some don't like it but Facebook isn't crap. Kurts daily posts and videos on the 'Tarzan rides...' page are a great insight into Kurt's attempt at the year recordHAMR.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on 19 February, 2015, 10:59:51 am
Agree with the above. Great way to keep up with Kurt's progress.

And Facebook is far from crap. You make it how you want it to be.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 February, 2015, 11:02:32 am
I'll stick with Facebook is crap. YMMV
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 19 February, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
I'll stick with Facebook is crap. YMMV

Faecebook.

"Post your toilet photos."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 19 February, 2015, 12:49:59 pm
I think Facebook works well for a linear, 'single themed' event log such as the Tarzan's effort, but otherwise is generally too random and chaotic for it's own good...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 19 February, 2015, 01:16:47 pm
From the article linked upthread:

"Abraham’s attempt at the record is a little harder to follow, as his Facebook page is not as active as Searvogel’s. "

He should come visit here, we seem to know what what cafe or hotel buffet breakfast he is at at anytime.
Yup. there are more Fun Facts here in a week than on Tarzan's FB feed all year.

Facebook is a crap medium. Period! You can still put good content on there - if Tarzan put all his videos on a USB stick, to be passed round every interested cyclist, would THAT become a  "good" technology to use?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 February, 2015, 02:06:18 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 19 February, 2015, 02:23:23 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o
..... and if he gets a pedalo back across the bay he'll have drawn a parrots head with his tracklog.

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 04:21:12 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 19 February, 2015, 04:27:23 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?

Looks like he's dealing with a +25mph crosswind at the moment. http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 04:29:56 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?

Looks like he's dealing with a +25mph crosswind at the moment. http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)

Mmm...I wouldn't fancy that!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 19 February, 2015, 04:31:10 pm
IIRC he said a couple days ago there was bad weather forecast in the north of the state so he was heading south.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 04:46:45 pm
IIRC he said a couple days ago there was bad weather forecast in the north of the state so he was heading south.

Yes, I saw that. I'd class 25mph crosswinds as bad weather - especially on a bridge!! :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 19 February, 2015, 04:48:52 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o

Hmmm, 128 miles from Homestead (where he started) to Key West, that's a long return trip even if he doesn't get all the way back to Homestead.
Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 09:28:06 pm
He's well on his way back now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 19 February, 2015, 10:14:19 pm
He's well on his way back now.

Looks like he's flying again. 175 miles on the tracker in less than 10 hours - but he's still 7200 km from Marsh Gibbon!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 04:02:56 am
Kurt is currently on F/B on the "Ultracycling" page re his beer at lunchtime

https://www.facebook.com/groups/117819688260926/?fref=nf

He's asking for the rules to be modified to allow alcohol.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: GrumpyBob on 20 February, 2015, 06:25:00 am
Kurt is currently on F/B on the "Ultracycling" page re his beer at lunchtime

https://www.facebook.com/groups/117819688260926/?fref=nf

He's asking for the rules to be modified to allow alcohol.

Not having a Facebook account, I can't read that page. Has he been threatened with DQ? I think that would be most unfair. Hopefully the rule will get modified, though a lunchtime beer doesn't seem to be wise!

Robert
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 20 February, 2015, 06:35:22 am
He's asking for the rules to be changed under Rule 22 (which allows in-competition rule changes) to allow alcohol. Trouble is, Rule 22 specifically says it can't be applied retrospectively. This may be a can of worms he wishes he hadn't opened.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 20 February, 2015, 06:36:39 am
There's a discussion with Drew Clark and him. Kurt is saying that it wasn't made clear to him that the HMR'R rules are a subset of the rules governing all record attempts. There's a discussion about emails sent/received regards the rules, with both taking a different view.

Not sure there is a DQ option here:

21 For a rules violation, the Records Chairman may impose a mileage reduction penalty of ten miles for each infraction.

so that's pretty tough  ::-)

then there is this option

22 UMCA reserves to modify the rules during the attempt. Reasonable notification will be sent to riders involved in an active attempt. A new rule may not be made retroactive in effect.

Then there is

14 If the bike/rider must be transported, the tracking devices must be turned off during transport.

 ;)

It's a marathon, not a sprint and from what I can see the only rule that allows real advantage is the recumbent one.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 20 February, 2015, 06:47:35 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 20 February, 2015, 06:57:09 am
I can understand the UMCA position in litigious America.  I suspect Kurt will have to suck it up.

More importantly, he did another solid ride yesterday.  Bet it was purty cycling down to key west. Deserving of a beer. Oh...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 20 February, 2015, 06:59:21 am
IMO, the cyclist is in contravention when blood alcohol exceeds the local legal limit for driving a motorised vehicle on the road.
What that is in Florida, I am not sure.
If it’s zero, he’s stuffed. If it’s same as England, he’s OK.

TBH, he’s a fool to himself for talking about it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 20 February, 2015, 07:00:32 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Petty it may seem, but the rules were in place before the riders started.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 20 February, 2015, 07:08:33 am
In my further opinion, the ‘No alcohol’ rule was imposed to stop crews carrying a barrel of beer in a camper van to Yorkshire.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 20 February, 2015, 07:14:41 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Petty it may seem, but the rules were in place before the riders started.
Which is why I said this is a can of worms he may wish he hadn't opened. Especially as the conversation had already been had among both participants and spectators a couple of weeks back, so he should have known that alcohol was banned - though I'd be interested to know what was in the email conversation he referred to on Facebook when he said the question had been specifically asked.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 20 February, 2015, 07:25:08 am
I have mixed feelings about this. 

IIRC, Tarzan initially walked away because he didn't like the rules.   I understand he came back when a few things had changed to his liking*.   He's managed to leave his tracker on numerous times during transport and now has had a beer.   Oh, and to 'have a beer' usually** means multiple beverages.   How many did he actually have?

As for whether an advantage has been gained:   Is a psychological boost an advantage?   Has chilling out with a few stubbies improved his state of mind and/or strengthened his resolve?   Did he sleep better for it therefore felt better prepared next day?   Who knows?

I don't believe that he didn't have prior knowledge of, or the ability to have prior knowledge of the rules.   His argument is weak.   Further, to claim that he didn't realise that the HAM'R rules applied when his facebook page says boldly 'Tarzan rides the HAM'R' is stretching credibility somewhat in my opinion.   Also, he might well have known, almost certainly in fact, about the photo of Steve with a bottle of wine in the background.   

* Cynically, I might have said 'advantage'.
** Not always, but usually.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 20 February, 2015, 07:35:27 am
I note from his facebook page that he has recently posted to say that he has documentation stating that all legal substances can be consumer and his interpretation of that is that this includes beer.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 20 February, 2015, 08:02:16 am
Kurt does seem very media savvy in my opinion and a little spat like this would very likely attract the attention of the main stream media and raise his profile and focus some attention on the record attempt, especially if the UMCA impose a mileage reduction , or am I just being to cynical ?  :)

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 20 February, 2015, 08:10:20 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Agreed. I don't think he should be penalised for the one he had either. Reading the FB posts - there has clearly been some misunderstanding.
I say change the rule to allow the occasional beer and "pretend" the other "incident" never happened. That would be in the true spirit of the challenge and I serioulsy doubt Steve would have a problem with it as I guess he might quite like a beer at some point too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 20 February, 2015, 08:12:11 am


As for whether an advantage has been gained:   Is a psychological boost an advantage?   Has chilling out with a few stubbies improved his state of mind and/or strengthened his resolve?   Did he sleep better for it therefore felt better prepared next day?   Who knows?



Yebbut he doesn't drink TEA.....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 20 February, 2015, 09:13:27 am
Posted by Tarzan a couple of days ago on the Road.cc facebook page

"I need to raise some extra cash and I heard that alot of brits were trash talking - so I've come up with a little game for all the big talkers - If anyone is will to put up $200 - they can come ride with me for a day. If they can keep up with me for the day they can keep the $200 - if they can't I get to have a great room, dinner and beer on them ;-)."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Graeme on 20 February, 2015, 09:18:10 am
And a lot of British are also cheering him on, impressed with his efforts. Even though they would prefer to see Steve win.

go tarzan

GO STEVE!!!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2015, 09:23:12 am
Posted by Tarzan a couple of days ago on the Road.cc facebook page

"I need to raise some extra cash and I heard that alot of brits were trash talking - so I've come up with a little game for all the big talkers - If anyone is will to put up $200 - they can come ride with me for a day. If they can keep up with me for the day they can keep the $200 - if they can't I get to have a great room, dinner and beer on them ;-)."

The failure with that argument is that if the punter didn't keep up with Tarzan, they wouldn't be there to foot the bill.

See? I said he hadn't thought this thing out properly.  :P

More seriously, there's rules and there's credibility. Everyone following these two blokes knows full well that they are both cycling prodigious distances and hitherto are ahead of the asking rate. If, at some stage, UMCA step in and say "Rule infraction: 10 mile penalty!" or some such, everyone will still know how far they have cycled because we have the internet and Strava/jo and multiple other people tracking their rides with infinitesimal accuracy.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about electronic accuracy that alcohol. If there are some miles in either the tracker's or Strava's totals which have not been ridden, then they should be clearly flagged. I confess not having involved myself in the minutiae of their electronic recording but it seems to me that if any such discrepancies are not addressed straight away then they could "disappear" and, if left until the end of the year to rectify, are much more likely to lead to disputes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2015, 09:30:28 am
Quote from: Inspector Morse

BEER is food, Lewis!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 20 February, 2015, 09:49:43 am
I spent some time working in the USA. In hindsight, the ‘life attitude’ of some is reactionary and confrontational.
I’m afraid to say it rubbed off a little.

Apologies to all I have offended in the past.  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 20 February, 2015, 10:44:31 am
I liked Tarzan's offer, it reminded me of Tom Sawyer and whitewashing the fence. Get fast loud mouth Brits to fly over, give you $200, and then draft them for 9.5hrs, then rip their legs off in the last 30 mins.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 20 February, 2015, 11:02:09 am
Trash talking?  Not here, I don't think.  Not seriously, or, at least, not more than one or two posters occasionally.  Most of us are, naturally, supporting our randonneuring friend who so many have ridden with, but also supporting the excellent effort of Kurt.

I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit, and I feel embarrassed that Kurt should now feel so angered by Brits.

He made a stupid mistake.  Particularly stupid as we'd already been discussing the issue wrt Steve & team's position.  Look, a year without alcohol isn't such a big deal compared with everything else that they've sacrificed.  But yeah, Kurt agreed to the rules, and it could be regarded as favouritism to let him get away with an infraction.  Equally, it's so silly that I don't think a single offence (has it been a single one?  He's not been so overheated before, so it could be) should be penalised, so long as he apologises and doesn't do it again.

Go Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on 20 February, 2015, 11:09:55 am
Whilst fully supporting Steve Obv, Kurt has a lot of people here who admire his performance and sportsmanship. Not aware of any intention to insult him, and hope that this does not happen here or elsewhere, and we have the makings of an epic cycling event on the go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on 20 February, 2015, 11:15:36 am
Not aware of any intention to insult him, and hope that this does not happen here or elsewhere

Agree, very strongly!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 20 February, 2015, 11:33:03 am
It's interesting contemplating their backgrounds: Steve is steeped in Audax, as such he is used to remembering controls etc however tired and distracted. By contrast, Kurt is an UM racer, with a different set of priorities on a ride. I don't have any problems cutting Kurt some slack in respect of forgetting to turn off GPS etc (as long as it can be fixed). I'm not sure I'd remember after my 40th day of riding 200 miles.....

(not that I will evah know what that feels like)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 20 February, 2015, 11:35:59 am
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 20 February, 2015, 11:38:17 am
For Steve,

If you can keep your head when all about you
  Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
  But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
  Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
  And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
  If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
  And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
  Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
  And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
  And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
  And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
  To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
  Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
  Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
  If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
  With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
  And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son.

Rudyard Kipling.


For Kurt,

If you think you are beaten, you are
If you think you dare not, you don't,
If you like to win, but you think you can't
It is almost certain you won't.

If you think you'll lose, you've lost
For out of the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow's will
It's all in the state of mind.

If you think you are outclassed, you are
You've got to think high to rise,
You've got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.

Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man,
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the man WHO THINKS HE CAN!

Walter D Wintle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 20 February, 2015, 11:56:30 am
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
Amchair cyclists (he says, from his armchair, with both main bikes off the road, and too ill to ride).  Yeah, I hope the idiots don't get his back up.  There's a lot of transatlantic support (both ways, I hope), and I don't want Kurt to feel we all want him to fail.  His sense of humour is definitely bearing up, though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Clemo on 20 February, 2015, 12:03:02 pm
As mentioned before this is turning out to be the cycling event of the year, its great I'm hooked!  :P

Personally I find it fascinating how this is turning out, two riders poles apart in terms of the way they tackle the event competing.

I wish them both the very best of luck and may the best man win!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 20 February, 2015, 01:28:00 pm
07:30 in Florida and no sign of Kurt yet. Looking at his vid on FB, he is suffering from a cold. I guess that between the cold and the wind, yesterdays efforts may have taken it out of him a bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 01:48:44 pm
As Climberruss says - latest F/B video - he has a cold and a sore throat "it's a sick day!".

Looks like he rode for a bit but the winds over the bridges are too strong for him to ride.  He's then driving the r/v as Alicia didn't want to drive in the wind.

Both sound a bit down!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 20 February, 2015, 01:50:53 pm
:(

Hope he feels better and gets a decent ride in. The argument on Facebook with the UMCA official won't have helped his mood much either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 20 February, 2015, 01:52:52 pm
Tracker's just been switched on :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 20 February, 2015, 01:53:58 pm
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
As usual on the web, its only a tiny minority being pathetic little dicks. Well done Shu for being the voice of reason:

Quote
Shusanah Pillinger
There are also a lot of people defending all the riders.

.... and:

I'm just trying to put some perspective on the situation not defend trolls. But out of a lot of people some will never write pleasant things. I don't disagree with you but nothing will change this internet behaviour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 20 February, 2015, 01:54:30 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 02:06:51 pm
9.05 EST so a late start and not well, he may struggle to get his usual mileage in!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JBB on 20 February, 2015, 02:15:54 pm
Hmmm,  all this British fairness.  My position is pretty clear. I suport Steve not Kurt.  I am however happy to applaud his achievements.  I wish them both well and hope the contest will not be shortened by an incident beyond their control - especially a RTA. I want the rules applied even handedly.
That covers it I think.

GO STEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 02:27:10 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)

From the tracker it looks like he might be heading out back over the bridges again to Key West. That would be about 130 miles but he's flying at 24mph so probably massively wind assisted now
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 20 February, 2015, 02:27:31 pm
As a YACFer and AUK I naturally support Steve, but I'm really interested to see how what was succinctly described as "RAAM vs PBP" plays out.  Which means I support Kurt as well - what he's achieving really is remarkable.

Other than the usual recumbent-bashing, and the odd bit of humour that might be lost in translation, I haven't seen anything that can really be described as 'trash talk', but there's presumably a whole bottom half of the internet that I've not been reading on Facebook or somewhere.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 20 February, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 20 February, 2015, 06:03:38 pm
Hmmm,  all this British fairness.  My position is pretty clear. I suport Steve not Kurt.  I am however happy to applaud his achievements.  I wish them both well and hope the contest will not be shortened by an incident beyond their control - especially a RTA. I want the rules applied even handedly.
That covers it I think.

GO STEVE!
Well said :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 20 February, 2015, 06:19:17 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.

Are you sure that USAnians are forriners? Quite a lot of them look normal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 06:21:32 pm
RAAM 2014 on tv tonight Eurosport 9pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 20 February, 2015, 07:01:55 pm
Frankly, I'm more concerned about electronic accuracy that alcohol. If there are some miles in either the tracker's or Strava's totals which have not been ridden, then they should be clearly flagged. I confess not having involved myself in the minutiae of their electronic recording but it seems to me that if any such discrepancies are not addressed straight away then they could "disappear" and, if left until the end of the year to rectify, are much more likely to lead to disputes.

Such as this ride with a vehicle transfer that is flagged at the moment. He acknowledged it at the time but has done nothing about it. These miles were also recorded on his spreadsheet as a record of his daily mileage.

https://www.strava.com/activities/246684107/analysis
 (https://www.strava.com/activities/246684107/analysis)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2015, 07:26:08 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.

Are you sure that USAnians are forriners? Quite a lot of them look normal.

Yes. They chucked our tea into Boston harbour while in fancy dress.  No true BRITON would be party to such behaviour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 20 February, 2015, 07:34:48 pm
That's just how USAnians think you make a cup of tea, thobut.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 20 February, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2015, 07:41:10 pm
They'd have needed a slice of lemon the size of Wembley Stadium too, thobut.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 20 February, 2015, 08:50:22 pm
Oh no! Weak tea jokes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 20 February, 2015, 09:05:27 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)

From the tracker it looks like he might be heading out back over the bridges again to Key West. That would be about 130 miles but he's flying at 24mph so probably massively wind assisted now

Looks like he got to Key West and has turned around.  The wind must have dropped on the bridge
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 20 February, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
What kind of organisation would sanction the consumption of alcohol during an endurance event on public roads?   Making a stand on social media on alcohol is just plain disappointing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 20 February, 2015, 10:24:45 pm
Endorsement of alcohol has no place in sport, but there's nothing like a cold beer after a long day in the saddle. The rule could be somewhat improved by referring to alcohol levels whilst riding, so as not to restrict an end of day beer quaffed 8 hours before the start of the next day's effort - and in effect restricting binge drinking.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 20 February, 2015, 10:33:36 pm
Endorsement of alcohol has no place in sport, but there's nothing like a cold beer after a long day in the saddle. The rule could be somewhat improved by referring to alcohol levels whilst riding, so as not to restrict an end of day beer quaffed 8 hours before the start of the next day's effort - and in effect restricting binge drinking.
Agreed.
I'm (almost) teetotal but can appreciate why someone might want to enjoy a cold beer after a day's exertion. One (or even two) beers is neither here nor there.
I'd suggest no alcohol during the logged riding, and the alcohol level (next morning) not to exceed the local level for drink-driving.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 20 February, 2015, 10:51:24 pm
I'd suggest just removing the rule. They don't need to positively do anything. Or they could have a catch all about meeting the requirements of the law of the land.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 February, 2015, 10:53:39 pm
I reckon Kurt is just about ready for a beer. He's reaping what he sowed at the moment - 23mph on the way out, slogging back at 14mph. It will be getting dark soon as well: almost 6pm Florida time.

In fact, the tracker doesn't appear to have updated lately. It last did so at 10.22 GMT. He was on a bridge at that point, so I don't think he will have stopped for the night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 20 February, 2015, 11:12:52 pm
I reckon Kurt is just about ready for a beer. He's reaping what he sowed at the moment - 23mph on the way out, slogging back at 14mph.

Or perhaps he's getting a lift back to do the same direction again. He doesn't really have to ride into the wind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 20 February, 2015, 11:14:29 pm
What kind of organisation would sanction the consumption of alcohol during an endurance event on public roads?
One with a sense of perspective. Note that sanctioning is not the same as encouraging. They can't have a rule for every sort of iffy, or unethical behaviour. Stick to keeping the playing field as level as practicable. Be thankful they don't require a daily prayer!

Also note that PBP generally gives away a tin of (fairly weak) beer at the 600km mark (the clock is still running). I found it a boon -  I slept like a log for 30mins or so. Set off refreshed and ready to go. If anything it increased my safety.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 20 February, 2015, 11:17:02 pm
L'Eroica has chianti and grappa freely available at all controls!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 21 February, 2015, 12:10:38 am
AUK doesn't have any rules relating to alcohol, does it? Perhaps that's why everyone on every audax ever is permanently sloshed. ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 21 February, 2015, 02:15:34 am
Kurt on F/B after 157 miles today

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Tough day - Started out sick so got up late then head to Mickey D's to get on the internet and do some work. Started my ride from Mickey D's and was taken down in the first mile by a driver turning into a parking lot. Brushed off the dirt and head down to key west. Had a good wind down but really hard back. Still sick so quick early.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 21 February, 2015, 02:46:08 am
Not cool.  I hope he is ok.   Go Kurt.  Go slightly more Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 21 February, 2015, 04:14:52 am
From Drew Clark, UMCA-

Due to the several misinterpretations of the rules governing alcohol, UMCA is providing this clarification:

Alcohol may not be consumed at any time between the start and finish of all miles ridden that will be logged for that day. If alcohol is consumed after the riding for that day has been completed, a rider must allow sufficient time to elapse to ensure that alcohol has cleared the rider’s system before starting their next ride.

Comments regarding this issue:
This is a new interpretation of pre-existing rule. Alcohol consumption was already prohibited before this. At no time would alcohol at midday have been allowed. But two interpretations were possible:
1. HAM’R is a sanctioned attempt from start to finish; therefore no alcohol at all for the entire year.
2. HAM’R is different from other attempts in that other attempts feature non-stop riding. So the no-alcohol rule should apply only during, or before, the riding time each day. Thus, a drink after the day’s riding is done could be allowed.

UMCA has opted for interpretation #2 and does so with the wording above.

UMCA recommends that all HAM’R riders be aware that the main body of rules still governs, with the Appendix B of HAM’R rules being an addendum thereto. The Rules are posted on the UMCA website and each rider, or delegate thereof, should download the current version and follow those rules in their entirety.

UMCA Records Chairman
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 21 February, 2015, 05:43:29 am
That is a big step towards something sensible/ practical, though still a little over the top.

It'll be interesting to see whether Kurt will be penalised for this and other rule infractions, such as recording tracker mileage while he is transferring in a vehicle. Kurt lists such mileage, both on Strava and in his own spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 21 February, 2015, 05:45:28 am


Also note that PBP generally gives away a tin of (fairly weak) beer at the 600km mark (the clock is still running). I found it a boon -  I slept like a log for 30mins or so. Set off refreshed and ready to go. If anything it increased my safety.

LOL. I read that as "I slept like a log for 30 miles or so...."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 21 February, 2015, 06:07:38 am
There was whisky for breakfast on LEL 09 at the secret control

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3462/3924011645_c5a43aa3ab_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6YKzXc)

It's like the champagne for the riders on the last day of the TdF, it's just there for fun, no ones going to get hammered and crash out
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 21 February, 2015, 07:01:14 am
I think what's been overlooked in all this is that Kurt was presumably drinking an American beer which surely doesn't count as real beer anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 21 February, 2015, 07:21:38 am
Is it trash talking to suggest that Steve has an advantage because our beer is warm and flat?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 February, 2015, 07:23:21 am
While the BEER from major USAnian breweries is every bit as good as USAnian tea they are capable of making some very palatable stuff these days.  This Unit recommends the IPA from the Full Sail Brewery of Hood River OR.  Thanks, Jeff  O:-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 21 February, 2015, 09:53:38 am
Yep, the USAnian artisan breweries are every bit as varied and enticing as the UK real ale scene. And, at last, the UCMA has made a sensible compromise ruling. I guess that there may be a small penalty for Kurt's lunchtime beer, but it'll hopefully be insignificant. The car mileage issue needs to be put to bed now, too. And GWS, Kurt - I never expected this thing to turn out so exciting, and it would be a much duller thing without him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Legs on 21 February, 2015, 10:02:26 am
In terms of Leftpondian beer, Goose Island IPA is where it's at.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Feline on 21 February, 2015, 10:41:48 am
There was whisky for breakfast on LEL 09 at the secret control

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3462/3924011645_c5a43aa3ab_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6YKzXc)

It's like the champagne for the riders on the last day of the TdF, it's just there for fun, no ones going to get hammered and crash out

I have a friend who got totally off his face on PBP 2011. He thought he only had 50 miles or so to go and plenty of time so drank a nice bottle of wine with his baguette in the sun. He tried to ride off but felt too drunk so lay down at the roadside for a bit of a kip. Eventually someone he knew rode past and pointed out there was still 230k to go. He hadn't realised there was a different route on the return leg to Paris  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 21 February, 2015, 11:02:48 am
Yep, the USAnian artisan breweries are every bit as varied and enticing as the UK real ale scene. And, at last, the UCMA has made a sensible compromise ruling. I guess that there may be a small penalty for Kurt's lunchtime beer, but it'll hopefully be insignificant. The car mileage issue needs to be put to bed now, too. And GWS, Kurt - I never expected this thing to turn out so exciting, and it would be a much duller thing without him.
Is this trash talk - are you saying Steve's ride is dull???

;)

Apart from that,  a very good post!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 21 February, 2015, 11:10:19 am
Is it trash talking to suggest that Steve has an advantage because our beer is warm and flat?
;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Martin on 21 February, 2015, 11:23:27 am
Lots of USAnian beers in spoons at the moment all brewed by Adnams etc though; has anyone tried the real thing and how does it compare?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 21 February, 2015, 11:34:58 am
Lots of USAnian beers in spoons at the moment all brewed by Adnams etc though; has anyone tried the real thing and how does it compare?
I don't really get on with Adnams beer in pubs,  so I'd probably try the Yank option in that situation!

I can vouch for this stuff (bought in Sainsburys,  who do a few US beers):
http://www.sierranevada.com/beer/year-round/pale-ale

p.s. are we off-topic yet?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 21 February, 2015, 11:36:02 am
Audax Club Portsmouth have been following Beergate very closely however I am aware of a splinter group who are planning to intercept Kurt and drag him off to a bar every Wednesday to encourage an open infringement of the YMCA ruling on such matters.

Some have even deliberately misunderstood his challenge to read "Come and drink beer with me and hey, perhaps we will go for a bike ride". I know what these people are like and once they are have scented beer, they are relentless.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 21 February, 2015, 11:43:36 am
Good luck to them - I hope he pays up the pledged $200, even when he realises they plan to drink the whole lot.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 21 February, 2015, 12:10:09 pm
Nearly all my winter rides start with a nip of the old hip flask.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 February, 2015, 12:50:16 pm
+1 for Sierra Nevada though sadly I didn't get to its home town of Chico until last year :'(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on 21 February, 2015, 01:35:59 pm
Should Kurt ride in Texas I can recommend a visit to Shiner, a town heavily influenced by German / Czech immigrant culture... as is their rather fine beer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on 22 February, 2015, 12:22:47 am
You're not worthy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 22 February, 2015, 08:27:12 am
Another solid day, putting a further 30 miles into Steve. 

His wee video suggests he's trying to maintain a 200 mile average (so a longer ride after Friday might be expected).  It was also another day when he was cut up be a car turning into a car park.  Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on 22 February, 2015, 08:56:11 am
It always seems, too, that when talking to camera the sound of traffic whizzing by is really loud. It doesn't sound at all appealing!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 February, 2015, 09:27:31 am
I have to say that his messing about with his camper van's sewage outlet pipe immedately followed by eating a sandwich didn't give a good impression! Also, he had to do some work for "the office".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 22 February, 2015, 09:35:43 am
Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

But just think, at the end of the year, when he's famous across the US, of the number of people who will be able to say "I had that Kurt Searvogel on the side of my car!" and have the Kurt-shaped dent to prove it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 22 February, 2015, 09:38:30 am
Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

I agree, and having read plenty of Carl Hiaasen, Florida has never really appealed as a place to visit. Except that riding the causeway from Key Largo to Key West is on my fantasy bucket list.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on 22 February, 2015, 12:13:23 pm
It always seems, too, that when talking to camera the sound of traffic whizzing by is really loud. It doesn't sound at all appealing!

The traffic make Florida (or USA?) sound pretty unappealing from a cycling POV. But then, Steve's collection of A-roads would hardly be a great sales pitch for gentle pootling in the UK either.

The number of prangs and crashes though is pretty alarming. He seems to be clocking up a near miss practically every week. That's a hell of a rate when you need to get through an entire year without any down time due to injury or crash damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on 22 February, 2015, 12:26:14 pm
In my limited experience USA is a not a pleasant place to ride at all.

Went on one club run in Irvine CA.   Supposedly the most bike-friendly city in the whole state.
The other riders were great, but thought nothing of having to endure a pre-ride safety-talk from Highway Patrol motorcyclist before setting off.... basically if you stray outside the bike lane you risk getting a ticket (if you survive long enough).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 22 February, 2015, 12:39:13 pm
It was also another day when he was cut up be a car turning into a car park.  Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

His speed must be a factor too - he’s practically TTing it all the way and (guessing) has his hands away from the brakes. Drivers probably underestimate his speed too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 22 February, 2015, 12:44:03 pm
It sounds like most incidents are related to that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 22 February, 2015, 12:45:24 pm
I have to say that his messing about with his camper van's sewage outlet pipe immedately followed by eating a sandwich didn't give a good impression!

I don't think that's what caused him to be "sick" a few days ago. I think what made him "sick" was just the simple reality of constant riding in January and February with the associated freezing temperatures, rain, ice, snow.... er...

Let me get back to you on that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 February, 2015, 01:36:30 pm
Looks like a v. slow start for Tarzan today.  I hope it's just down to myriad traffic lights rather than another run-in with a myopic moton.

There are vast areas of USAnia which are totally devoid of traffic but they are either lumpy or, at this time of year, under a couple of feet of SNO.  Or both.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on 22 February, 2015, 11:01:21 pm
I've ridden in the US a bit, in NYC, LA, Florida and a few other places, and generally I find it no worse than UK - and in NYC's case, a lot better than most UK cities I've ridden in! Road surfaces excepted. Florida is a bit different in that there are few back roads, and drivers are just not used to seeing cyclists.

I have to admit to wondering how Kurt's going to progress as the summer comes on. Steve's schedule, like Tommy's, allows for the crap weather and low temperatures of the UK winter, then picks up to, what, 250-300 miles a day by August? Kurt is enjoying now almost the best conditions he'll get through the year, assuming  he stays in the USA. I understand they have to ride themselves into the kind of form that can accept 250+ mile days, day after day, but the summer in Florida - and much of the USA - is not conducive to the efforts involved. When Steve is likely to have great riding weather - and the roads to exploit that weather - Kurt will be looking at 35C, serious storms every afternoon, and millions of tourists on the roads. I can see why Kurt wants to get the miles in now, but is he doing enough?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 February, 2015, 06:48:38 am
If Kurt can withstand the monotony of riding round San Francisco Bay all summer, he'll have a great time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 23 February, 2015, 08:34:37 am
My recollection of (driving round) San Francisco is that it's not exactly flat. That'll come as a shock to Tarzan surely.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 23 February, 2015, 08:49:05 am
You really think so?
Like TG, Tarzan's done so much cycling in his 50 years that he knows a hill or two. He's probably ridden most of them as well.

Conversely, up and down the Sacramento valley for the few months gives you plenty of flat terrain and almost assured good weather.
Wouldn't want to be around in July & August time though, not unless you wanted to fry under the sun.
Hell, it gets hot along there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 23 February, 2015, 08:56:42 am
332km yesterday. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 23 February, 2015, 08:58:52 am
Surely Kurt will just increase miles with the increase in daylight just like Steve. Having ridden in the interior of Canada in summer I can appreciate that even going that North it will still be hot.
Is the camper van his own rather than hired, if its his then it will be interesting to see the migration over the year. If that's the case his listed race schedule gives an idea of where he will be heading.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2015, 09:02:45 am
That touches onto the point I made quite a while back and which TimC referred to yesterday: the US is not an easy place to cycle in, particularly the summer months. Furthermore, Tarzan's relatively hasty decision to take part in this ride, and lack of detailed planning he seems to have done, makes me wonder where he will go after Florida, and if he's even made that decision yet. My view of the tracker page no longer includes the temperature, which is a shame, but a month ago it was up in the high 70s F and it's not going to be getting any colder for a few months at least.

@Jack Numplumz

The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator. He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 23 February, 2015, 09:03:35 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 23 February, 2015, 09:16:39 am
The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator.

I was thinking that. Just what exactly is the variation in daylight hours in Miami? Can't be much.

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He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

Exit pursued by a polar bear...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 23 February, 2015, 09:23:27 am
Good points wowbagger, l forget just how far North blighty is.
Riders on the TransAmerica race last year suffered badly with the heat and dust storms and did a lot of sundown riding to cope.

Kurt has shown little desire to ride in the dark yet, even the Sebring race was on the curcuit at night, I wonder if that will have to change in the summer heat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2015, 09:27:58 am
The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator.

I was thinking that. Just what exactly is the variation in daylight hours in Miami? Can't be much.

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He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

Exit pursued by a polar bear...

Grizzly, more likely.

Today's sunrise/sunset in Miami: 6.49am and 6.19 pm. In Milton Keynes it's 7am and 5.31pm. At the moment, Kurt has an extra hour's daylight. From 21st March, Steve will have a daylight advantage, assuming they both keep cycling the routes they currently do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 23 February, 2015, 09:35:33 am
Miami is around 25 degrees latitude and the north of the US about 47. MK is about 52.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Hours_of_daylight_vs_latitude_vs_day_of_year_cmglee.svg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 23 February, 2015, 10:08:50 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 23 February, 2015, 10:22:24 am
I agree with the main thrust of Tim's point: when is Kurt going to be able to do the big mileages if not now?

I'm not sure I agree with the sub-point of riding oneself into form and fitness; I reckon that they will both be in a better shape physically right now than they will with another three months' riding in their legs - but I could be wrong on that and I know that Steve makes that point too - but I believe that if it exists at all, it is far less important than the seasonal effect Steve is going to benefit from: longer days and warmer weather. 

As to where Kurt goes when Florida gets too hot, I don't know.  But he's a smart guy and I expect he has some ideas.  One strategy that has ocurred to me - so I'm sure it must have ocurred to him - would be to find a long, straight 40-mile downhill on the edge of the Rockies and do seven or eight ski runs down it, with camper van transfer back up, each day. 

However, even that would take time.  Assuming there is such a hill, and he could get down it at 40mph, it's probably going to take him another hour to put the bike back in the van and drive back up, so he would still be looking at 16 hours to do 320 miles, ie 20mph average speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 23 February, 2015, 10:31:34 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.

I looked at the videoand thought the same - he was way too far back - he could hardly reach the pedals.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 February, 2015, 10:33:25 am
The National Museum of Computing nr Bletchley Park is nigh-on exactly 52 degrees N.

The Canadian / US border is named ‘The 49th Parallel’. There is a shorter stretch of Border at NY State, named ‘the 47th Parallel’.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 23 February, 2015, 10:37:38 am
He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

From Florida (if it was me) I would head towards Tuscon / Arizona for a few weeks until it started to hot up. Then head north - maybe Atlantic Canada or more probably towards Alaska. These days there are good quality roads all the way to Fairbanks which is a good 6000 miles from Florida.

He's no more likely to be eaten by a Griz in Alaska than munched by an alligator in Florida.
Rattlers in the mid-west may be more of an issue - they come onto the road at night to bask in the heat of the tarmac retained from the day. I saw hundreds as rode kill when I road PAC tour. Fortunately, I didn't see a live one, but plenty did. I hate slitheries.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 February, 2015, 11:12:53 am
From Modesto, his camper van could take him 110 miles up to the summit of Hwy 108. Then he could freewheel all the way down.
Twice a day is possible, sleeping in the van.

Streetview the CA-108 at Stanislaus National Park summit. Fantastic.

TBH, I wouldn't mind a ride of that on an ICE recumbent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 23 February, 2015, 11:47:23 am
110 mile downhill, wow, great plan

That tactic would kick off a full blown war among the anti Kurt commenters though  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 February, 2015, 12:01:55 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4105/4975537098_44c8dab20e_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)

Yee-hah! (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)
by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/people/mr_larrington/), on Flickr

That's just outside Kooskia ID.  It's only 77 miles from the top of the Lolo Pass but US-12 follows the river down to Clarkston WA, which is another 75 miles.  The temperature in Kooskia ATM is -7 deg. C thobut.

In September 2010 I passed a heavily-laden tourist riding up the pass.  It was raining.  A lot.  Clearly a Chap from the TG mould.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 23 February, 2015, 12:02:28 pm
110 mile downhill, wow, great plan

That tactic would kick off a full blown war among the anti Kurt commenters though  :o

It's just NOT tennis!  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 23 February, 2015, 12:08:52 pm
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.

I looked at the videoand thought the same - he was way too far back - he could hardly reach the pedals.

I don't think he was, he just made a school boy error trying to clip in when having the crankset near the dead spot.

Having said this, the next clip of him riding the bent - he looks good.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on 23 February, 2015, 12:13:34 pm
I get the same when I sit too far back when trying to clip in, the seat is the correct distance for him when riding. It would be as set up by John S.
It would feel odd sitting back clipping in. I have the same issue with the 26" wheel on the front of the tandem, takes a while to get used to it and Kurt hasn't been riding recumbent that long.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 23 February, 2015, 12:33:09 pm
I'm not sure I agree with the sub-point of riding oneself into form and fitness; I reckon that they will both be in a better shape physically right now than they will with another three months' riding in their legs - but I could be wrong on that and I know that Steve makes that point too - but I believe that if it exists at all, it is far less important than the seasonal effect Steve is going to benefit from: longer days and warmer weather. 
My layman's opinion is that there isn't enough data on ultra-stupid-endurance efforts for us to know; maybe the training effect will outweigh wear-n-tear, maybe not. Sadly I don't think they're collecting the data that future armchair experts will need to settle this argument!


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As to where Kurt goes when Florida gets too hot, I don't know.  But he's a smart guy and I expect he has some ideas.  One strategy that has ocurred to me - so I'm sure it must have ocurred to him - would be to find a long, straight 40-mile downhill on the edge of the Rockies and do seven or eight ski runs down it, with camper van transfer back up, each day. 

However, even that would take time.  Assuming there is such a hill, and he could get down it at 40mph, it's probably going to take him another hour to put the bike back in the van and drive back up, so he would still be looking at 16 hours to do 320 miles, ie 20mph average speed.
That would make a very productive rest day. And if he can kip in the van on the way up, he might be able to keep that up 24x7. (giving 480mile days)

Facebook would explode.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 23 February, 2015, 12:41:30 pm
As this is a brave new frontier, I can understand why both are not going full guns at the moment. 

Their only point of reference is really Tommy Godwin, and as has been described elsewhere that historic experience is unlikely to be a true reflection of what is possible.

I flip-flop between Steve and/or Kurt not doing enough to hold off the challenge of the other.  I'd imagine both is comfortable in themselves that they are putting in the right effort at this point in time.  Kurt, however, seems to be the worse for wear at the moment.  Both his sickness, whatever it was, and also his general appearance (he was exhibiting cracked lips the other day, and looked generally fatigued.  Albeit at other times he appears bright as a button).  For all I know, Steve might be the same.  He seems to be keeping a lower public profile than Kurt, largely leaving his riding (and more vocal "fans") to do the talking.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 February, 2015, 12:42:35 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4105/4975537098_44c8dab20e_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)

Yee-hah! (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)
by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/people/mr_larrington/), on Flickr

That's just outside Kooskia ID.  It's only 77 miles from the top of the Lolo Pass but US-12 follows the river down to Clarkston WA, which is another 75 miles.  The temperature in Kooskia ATM is -7 deg. C thobut.

In September 2010 I passed a heavily-laden tourist riding up the pass.  It was raining.  A lot.  Clearly a Chap from the TG mould.

And if you hit any animals, Mr L has brought a 'vette.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 February, 2015, 01:14:14 pm
Ningers, you are a Bad Man and I doubt your railway is much cop either :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 23 February, 2015, 01:28:10 pm
Ooohhh ?

Here's a nice railway,,,

http://www.roaringcamp.com/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 23 February, 2015, 04:08:25 pm
My recollection of (driving round) San Francisco is that it's not exactly flat. That'll come as a shock to Tarzan surely.

Kurt climbs very well, and much better than most.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 February, 2015, 04:18:54 pm
No doubt he does - he's a phenomenal cyclist - but the whole point about a record like this is that you want to avoid putting your body under strain as much as you reasonably can when knocking out >200 miles per day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 23 February, 2015, 05:31:02 pm
I agree with the main thrust of Tim's point: when is Kurt going to be able to do the big mileages if not now?
I've had the same thought myself plenty of times over the past few weeks, although I doubt this will be his only visit to Florida throughout the year. November and December could be big gains for him back there again after things cool down a bit. Just when things could get difficult here in the UK. Lots of cycling before then though!
I'm not sure I agree with the sub-point of riding oneself into form and fitness; I reckon that they will both be in a better shape physically right now than they will with another three months' riding in their legs - but I could be wrong on that and I know that Steve makes that point too -
I remember Jack Thurston asking Steve when he thought his worse time might be, "Spring, probably.....could start thinking, ah..had enough of all this!". It must be easy for him to see getting through the winter has a challenge in itself, a mini mountain in it's own right - which, I think we'd all agree, is true! I think he was intimating that he could find himself in the bizarre situation where things improve weather wise, but he has a bit of a lull in mood, a kind of tailing off after surviving the first few months. But importantly - and in typical TG style - he's aware that that might happen, so he'll be ready to deal with it best he can.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 February, 2015, 07:54:09 pm
I'd have thought that the Natchez Trace Parkway might be nice in Spring.


(http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/natr/88D843E4-1DD8-B71C-07121FEAA9418B92/88D843E4-1DD8-B71C-07121FEAA9418B92-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 23 February, 2015, 08:01:42 pm
I'd have thought that the Natchez Trace Parkway might be nice in Spring.


(http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/natr/88D843E4-1DD8-B71C-07121FEAA9418B92/88D843E4-1DD8-B71C-07121FEAA9418B92-large.jpg)

Subtitle for this picture...and this whole endeavour..." The loneliness of the long distance cyclist".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 23 February, 2015, 09:29:40 pm
The Natchez Trace was mentioned in an interview in January.

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I asked Kurt about logistics for the challenge at hand: Won't they be a nightmare compared with riding in one general location?"Traveling will add a degree of difficultly but will keep me sane," he said. "Riding the same roads over and over will drive me crazy." It is Kurt's intention to stay in the flatter states and catch tailwinds as much as possible, but he also wants to participate in as many of the 12-hour races as possible, as well as the Gulf Coast Interstate Relay as a solo participant. He plans to start his quest in Florida, staying in the sunshine state until the Sebring 12-hour race Feb. 14-15. He will then start a trek toward Texas and California to participate in several endurance rides. In most cases he will chart a course and ride his bike toward his intended destination for his daily mileage. We are very likely to see him riding the Natchez Trace in Mississippi as he meanders from state to state.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/go/2015/01/09/cycling-mississippi-kurt-searvogel-endurance-record/21495607/

The various Scenic Drives and Parkways might make an interesting change. I've researched a few of them, as a sort of pipe-dream.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on 23 February, 2015, 10:03:27 pm
The Natchez Trace was mentioned in an interview in January.

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I asked Kurt about logistics for the challenge at hand: Won't they be a nightmare compared with riding in one general location?"Traveling will add a degree of difficultly but will keep me sane," he said. "Riding the same roads over and over will drive me crazy." It is Kurt's intention to stay in the flatter states and catch tailwinds as much as possible, but he also wants to participate in as many of the 12-hour races as possible, as well as the Gulf Coast Interstate Relay as a solo participant. He plans to start his quest in Florida, staying in the sunshine state until the Sebring 12-hour race Feb. 14-15. He will then start a trek toward Texas and California to participate in several endurance rides. In most cases he will chart a course and ride his bike toward his intended destination for his daily mileage. We are very likely to see him riding the Natchez Trace in Mississippi as he meanders from state to state.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/go/2015/01/09/cycling-mississippi-kurt-searvogel-endurance-record/21495607/

The various Scenic Drives and Parkways might make an interesting change. I've researched a few of them, as a sort of pipe-dream.

Rereading that article shows how little of it has turned out to be true. He should be heading for Texas right now and on a much lower mileage. Kurt is perhaps sailing far more in uncharted waters than he lets on!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 24 February, 2015, 05:24:40 am
360km.

Says it all.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 February, 2015, 07:05:19 am
The weather report in the Clarion-Ledger shows why Kurt is staying in Florida.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/23/nws-ice-could-stay-a-few-days/23881221/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 24 February, 2015, 07:47:19 am
You only have to look at the dateline for the Clarion report (Jan 8 ) and see that it's a copy of Kurt's original aims as stated on his 'TarzanRides' website, not much original reporting going on at all. I've no doubt he's looking at the US weather and adjusting his plans accordingly.  The biggest change, which everyone here has noticed, is his immediate 200+ mile continuous cycling and no 'rest day'.  Given his previous RAAM endeavours I'm sure he can bang out even bigger mileage but for how long?  This is the unknown for both TG and Kurt, looking at the miles Tommy put in during Jul/Aug he was operating on very little sleep.  We know TG can do this, he's got the history and I'm keen to watch the tactics of both riders develop over the year.

GO STEVE GO
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 24 February, 2015, 08:00:32 am
Does anyone know what Kurt's sleep regime on rAAm was?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 24 February, 2015, 08:34:28 am
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They are clearly doing this as expected, Kurt rides fast and spends more time off the bike. Steve is more a slow and steady guy.

I do not know much about Steve's history, but I do know this about Kurt; he completed the Race Across America in 10 days getting 4-6 hours of sleep in a hotel every night. I am unaware of anyone else who has approached it that way.
from dhoff on velocipedesalon (http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240-6.html#post668233) so pretty much what he's doing now though he probably did more mile's per day during RAAM.

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 24 February, 2015, 09:31:02 am
Is Steve not considered fast anymore? Or is it just his current avg speed, that's getting him this reputation. Riding audax on an MTB or fixed does mean that you're unlikely to bother the people at the front end of the audax too much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 24 February, 2015, 09:50:25 am
Thanks Paul.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2015, 10:14:35 am
Is Steve not considered fast anymore? Or is it just his current avg speed, that's getting him this reputation. Riding audax on an MTB or fixed does mean that you're unlikely to bother the people at the front end of the audax too much.

At his current average riding speed, he would be towards the front end of the field on most audaxes, so he's not slow by any normal human standards. It's more that he's riding well within what he's capable of, speed-wise. Riding fixed has never slowed him down either - I've been passed by him a few times on audaxes, cruising along at speed, churning a massive gear without any obvious signs of effort.

As others have said, he will up his speed significantly in the summer months - he'll need to when he's putting in the really big mileage days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 24 February, 2015, 11:07:39 am
Is Steve not considered fast anymore? Or is it just his current avg speed, that's getting him this reputation. Riding audax on an MTB or fixed does mean that you're unlikely to bother the people at the front end of the audax too much.

At his current average riding speed, he would be towards the front end of the field on most audaxes, so he's not slow by any normal human standards. It's more that he's riding well within what he's capable of, speed-wise. Riding fixed has never slowed him down either - I've been passed by him a few times on audaxes, cruising along at speed, churning a massive gear without any obvious signs of effort.

As others have said, he will up his speed significantly in the summer months - he'll need to when he's putting in the really big mileage days.

and hopefully the foundation of a 'Kurt busting'* mile total buffer, that he can defend to the end.  Will be very interesting.

Go Steve!

* in the nicest possible way.   ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on 24 February, 2015, 01:17:45 pm
Looks like an early start today, so maybe the chance to increase his mileage again.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 24 February, 2015, 01:26:41 pm
The video he just posted, states he's loving the bent, and may increase its use.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 24 February, 2015, 02:31:02 pm
I do wish he wouldn't.  There is something unseemly about relying on a recumbent.  Within the rules, but the spirit is sometimes more important than the letter.  It is the one aspect of Kurt's approach that stops me from singing his praises from the rafters.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 24 February, 2015, 02:52:21 pm
I have fond memories of watching a faired bent gently glide to halt and fall over onto the grass, as the pilot had an attack of the dozies. After that I always thought they're too comfortable, but admittedly make a nice place to sleep. Falling asleep at the helm of mid racer wouldn't be such a good idea.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 24 February, 2015, 05:17:55 pm
Kurt's been stopped much longer than usual on his tracker. (1.5hrs) There's a "Subway" there but also some road junctions .....
Hope he's just eating.

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2015, 05:43:12 pm
Falling asleep at the helm of mid racer wouldn't be such a good idea.

Indeed - you might wake up in hospital thinking you're the mayor of a small French village.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Andydauddwr on 24 February, 2015, 06:13:14 pm
I stumbled across this on the weekend while watching some RAAM stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSftyHctWGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSftyHctWGA)

It gives a bit of insight into who Kurt is and what he's about.  Comments about sleep dep and climbing are quite interesting.  I think he's playing to his strengths at the moment and shouldn't be in a rush to get out of Florida.

As time goes by, I'm coming to the view that I admire both riders equally and can appreciate the strengths of both of their approaches to the HAM'R.

Andy
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on 24 February, 2015, 06:21:41 pm
Kurt's been stopped much longer than usual on his tracker. (1.5hrs) There's a "Subway" there but also some road junctions .....
Hope he's just eating.

Leo
2 hours 37 min stopped .... and counting
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 24 February, 2015, 06:28:38 pm
Could simply be the tracker has a low battery.

The junction near the last recorded point is "Yeehaw Junction". I don't even.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 24 February, 2015, 07:14:24 pm
His tracker's working again
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 24 February, 2015, 07:24:13 pm
His tracker's working again

Batteries died.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 24 February, 2015, 07:35:51 pm
His tracker's working again

Batteries died.

Maybe the unit itself... Nothing to worry about, though. Kurt's OK and still rolling along.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 24 February, 2015, 07:36:41 pm
His tracker's working again

Batteries died.

Poor show.
OK, Steve had some sort of problem this morning, but blat flatteries?  That's not clever at all.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 24 February, 2015, 07:37:17 pm
Phew!

Glad it wasn't anything serious.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2015, 09:00:44 pm
The tracker isn't an official requirement of the rules though, is it? The Garmin GPS track uploaded to Strava is the official record, right?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 24 February, 2015, 09:12:52 pm
The tracker isn't an official requirement of the rules though, is it? The Garmin GPS track uploaded to Strava is the official record, right?

"Rule 7-
Advance notice of routes will not be required. Riders will be required to have an active live tracking device in operation for all mileage to be credited for the attempt. In addition, riders will have a trip recording device (such as a Garmin) that will record the route taken, speed, elevation/gradient and at least one of heart rate or power. Riders will be responsible for carrying backup batteries to power whatever device/app we decide upon. The devices used will be subject to the approval of the Records Chairman. Ride data will be posted daily within 24 hours of the completion of the ride. Tracking/recording devices shall be tested at least two weeks prior to the start of the attempt to ensure that the Records Chairman will be able to access the data.

Rule 12-
In the case of communication failure where either/both of the live tracker or trip recorder data is unavailable, the rider shall send an explanation (email or text message preferred) as soon as possible to the Records Chairman. The mileage involved shall be considered to be provisional until the Records Chairman can decide on the validity of the explanation. "
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 24 February, 2015, 09:29:50 pm
Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 24 February, 2015, 09:55:49 pm
I stumbled across this on the weekend while watching some RAAM stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSftyHctWGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSftyHctWGA)

It gives a bit of insight into who Kurt is and what he's about.  Comments about sleep dep and climbing are quite interesting.  I think he's playing to his strengths at the moment and shouldn't be in a rush to get out of Florida.

As time goes by, I'm coming to the view that I admire both riders equally and can appreciate the strengths of both of their approaches to the HAM'R.

Yes, indeed, thanks for posting that Andy, well worth looking at.
Kurt the yoga teacher too,and MicroBrewery supporter. Fair play to him.
You can't form an opinion on the basis of a You Tube interview, but on the basis of that You Tube interview, I liked the guy, he came across as a decent bloke. Interviewer Lee Kreider bestows some good old-fashioned warmth too :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 February, 2015, 11:29:38 pm
Falling asleep at the helm of mid racer wouldn't be such a good idea.

Indeed - you might wake up in hospital thinking you're the mayor of a small French village.

I believe the canonical response to such a post is this:

GIT!!!!1!!

 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 25 February, 2015, 07:32:28 am
His tracker's working again

Batteries died.

Poor show.
OK, Steve had some sort of problem this morning, but blat flatteries?  That's not clever at all.

Frost must have got to them.  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 25 February, 2015, 09:30:24 am
His tracker's working again

Batteries died.

Poor show.
OK, Steve had some sort of problem this morning, but blat flatteries?  That's not clever at all.

Frost must have got to them.  ;D

Perhaps he should go back to starting in Frost Proof.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 25 February, 2015, 02:31:47 pm
It's half past two, and no sign of Kurt on the tracker. Is he still having problems with live updates?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 25 February, 2015, 03:11:44 pm
The tracker's started now, but only recorded 24.1ft. (In fact I thought it was -24.1ft until I realized my screen needed cleaning).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 25 February, 2015, 05:46:37 pm
I'm looking forward to Tarzan breaking out of Florida. Looking at the Clarion-Ledger article reminded me of the songs about Jackson, there's the Johnny and June Cash 'Jackson', covered by Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazelwood, of course, the recent Bruno Mars/Mark Ronson hit. 'Uptown Funk' features it too. http://www.clarionledger.com/story/thebuzz/2014/11/13/bruno-mars-jackson-song/18961931/

There's a host of songs that are going to come to mind if he picks the right route.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 26 February, 2015, 06:19:34 am
Another 360km.  Clearly his legs haven't run out of batteries.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly John on 26 February, 2015, 06:56:58 am
His latest video suggests more tracker battery problems, and having to get one of the bikes re-built.  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 26 February, 2015, 02:14:29 pm
Latest video they're making fun of the allegations that he's having it easy, ie avoiding hills, headwinds, cold temps etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 26 February, 2015, 02:26:35 pm
Latest video they're making fun of the allegations that he's having it easy, ie avoiding hills, headwinds, cold temps etc.

I'm liking his sense of humour. His support / g-friend seems quite amusing too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 26 February, 2015, 02:34:01 pm
Latest video they're making fun of the allegations that he's having it easy, ie avoiding hills, headwinds, cold temps etc.

I'm liking his sense of humour. His support / g-friend seems quite amusing too.

It's really too bad he doesn't have a film crew tagging along. It would make one hell of a documentary.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 26 February, 2015, 03:45:54 pm
... Sir Steve ...

Shouldn't that be Lord Teethgrinder of Marsh Gibbon!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 26 February, 2015, 05:58:58 pm
Latest video they're making fun of the allegations that he's having it easy, ie avoiding hills, headwinds, cold temps etc.

I'm liking his sense of humour. His support / g-friend seems quite amusing too.

It's really too bad he doesn't have a film crew tagging along. It would make one hell of a documentary.

Maybe that would persuade Alicia that she didn't need to film him out of the passenger window whilst driving the van  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 26 February, 2015, 09:22:53 pm
... Sir Steve ...

Shouldn't that be Lord Teethgrinder of Marsh Gibbon!

Oh yes!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 27 February, 2015, 12:16:50 am
Last look at the tracker before popping off to bed and it looks like Kurt's dropping a big ride into the mix, currently showing in excess of 230miles so he may be going for a 250, wow  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 27 February, 2015, 01:55:32 am
223 miles at 20.4mph. Another big day for Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 27 February, 2015, 07:06:32 am
That's a bit odd, the Tracker was showing over 230 miles before Kurt stopped last night and it usually under reads, so was there a transfer by car in there somewhere ??  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 27 February, 2015, 08:36:29 am

Sir Teethgrinder bart. 1st Baronette Steve Abraham of Marsh Gibbon.

Her Majesty the Queen can do this.

Blimey.

I knew she was good but didn't realise she had a talent for surgery.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: toontra on 27 February, 2015, 10:30:45 am
That's a bit odd, the Tracker was showing over 230 miles before Kurt stopped last night and it usually under reads, so was there a transfer by car in there somewhere ??  ???

I think the section from the mainland over to Cape Canaveral was done in the van - maybe cycling not allowed on that section or too dangerous.  That would account for the shortfall.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 27 February, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
Phew, relieved about the Baronette correction, being a fellow Brooks saddle rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 February, 2015, 02:42:06 pm
The lordship of the manor is already owned.

“In 1883 it was purchased by Mr. Thomas H. Phipps, in whose family it remains.”

Does phixie otp have anything he'd like to confess?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 27 February, 2015, 06:51:57 pm
I thought this was the Lord of the Jungle's thread ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 27 February, 2015, 06:52:55 pm
I thought this was the Lord of the Jungle's thread ???

I believe it was.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew531 on 27 February, 2015, 08:06:14 pm
I quite like Tarzan from what I've seen in his videos. What spoils it for me is that Steve lobbied to have the ride recognised. He set out to do it in a very similar fashion to Tommy Godwin. Tarzan obviously decided that he could do better by riding within the rules.
It's a situation very similar to the Boardman / superman hour record. Chris decided to do it again using the equipment available to Eddy Merckx.
Let's see who prevails. Wonder if anyone will have a go next year!!!??? As soon as Marc Beaumont set the round the world record it was smashed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on 27 February, 2015, 08:31:24 pm
records are there to be broken,

i think Kurts a great personality, and this time trial is better for him, a one horse race is dull to follow,

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Wonder if anyone will have a go next year!!!???

doesn't have to be next year, its a rolling 365 day record, anyone can pick up at any time, could be people in the southern hemisphere waiting for summer to end before they start, as it a mega hot country riding through 2 winters is easier than riding through 2 summers
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Grandad on 27 February, 2015, 10:59:27 pm
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could be people in the southern hemisphere waiting for summer to end before they start, as it a mega hot country riding through 2 winters is easier than riding through 2 summers

?? Surely only one of each in any consecutive 365 days. Presume the idea is to start halfway through summer so the heat is limited to the first 3 and final 3 months. Steve is doing exactly the opposite.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 28 February, 2015, 04:16:09 am
Another 360km. He's landing some body blows at the moment, which whilst they won't land a knockout blow, at least softens up the opponent. 40km differentials against Steve, and heading towards Tommy pace from out the blocks.  Maybe he's building up a buffer because he knows Steve will come out swinging within a month or two.

It is also incredible how pan flat Florida is. I did a 30km evening ride which wasn't hunting out hills and that had not far off what he rolled over yesterday.  It's a well thought through strategy on his part focussed on victory. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 07:05:37 am
Another 360km. He's landing some body blows at the moment, which whilst they won't land a knockout blow, at least softens up the opponent. 40km differentials against Steve, and heading towards Tommy pace from out the blocks.  Maybe he's building up a buffer because he knows Steve will come out swinging within a month or two.

It is also incredible how pan flat Florida is. I did a 30km evening ride which wasn't hunting out hills and that had not far off what he rolled over yesterday.  It's a well thought through strategy on his part focussed on victory. 
"Victory"? What the flying fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 28 February, 2015, 07:17:36 am
Settle down jaded.

Kurt is a ultra distance rider treating this as a race.  He's focussed on winning that race. 

Read a dictionary.  It might help understand what victory means.  And widen your vocabulary so it isn't so offensive.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 07:24:20 am
"Race".

it isn't a race. As for the language, fuck off  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 28 February, 2015, 08:29:19 am
Another 223 miles on the board.  I thought Tarzan would be a little Jaded aftet Sebring but it appears not. Well on his way to Victory in this Ham'r race.

GO TARZAN!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 28 February, 2015, 08:34:28 am
Another 223 miles on the board.  I thought Tarzan would be a little Jaded aftet Sebring but it appears not. Well on his way to Victory in this Ham'r race.

GO TARZAN!!

That's like making the claim that person wearing the yellow jersey after day 3 of the Tour de France is going to be the winner when the race gets to Paris ???

Still more than 300 days to go, Tarzan is only 700 miles up on Steve. 3 days off the bike due to an illness and it's level pegging again.

Let's wait 'til the fat lady sings before making rash claims, eh?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 08:50:11 am
It is a record.

If Steve makes it through the year he will have the record, thus becoming the first person to officially ride further than TG in a year. If Kurt makes it through his year having ridden more miles than Steve then he will hold the record ten days later. If neither of them continues to pile on the miles  and they stop  and IronOx does do more than 75,056 then he will hold the record.

Or maybe none of them will and it will be there for the taking in the future.

Either way it is not a stroll. Some may wish to take the 's' off, but that doesn't really add anything.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2015, 08:54:21 am
Another 223 miles on the board.  I thought Tarzan would be a little Jaded aftet Sebring but it appears not. Well on his way to Victory in this Ham'r race.

GO TARZAN!!

That's like making the claim that the yellow jersey on day 3 of the Tour de France is going to be the victor when the race gets to Paris ???

Still more than 300 days to go, Tarzan is only 700 miles up on Steve. 3 days off the bike due to an illness and it's level pegging again.

Let's wait 'til the fat lady sings before making rash claims, eh?
I like people making predictions.

So far its about 1-all - with LWAB going for a Steve win. (I've probably missed some others.)

No need for people to get huffy about it - if you think England will win the rugger today, you're welcome to say so. it doesn't mean you're dissing their opponents. You don't have to provide scientific evidence.
They're just predictions of a sporting event's outcome.

Where is everyone else putting their Yacf/Monopoly money? Anyone give me odds on a dead-heat?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 28 February, 2015, 09:05:35 am
I'm not being huffy, Matt - it might be someones perception (as mentioned in another thread initiated by Basil anf his comments) - just making a comment as i think it's too early to make any judgement on who's going to go the furthest.


Edit: OK, Kurt's turned out 6 x 200 miles+ rides in the last 7 days. However, considering average mileage on day 49 he's only doing 14.5 miles/day more than Steve. On day 33 the difference was 16 miles/day - so in 16 days Steve has pulled back 1.5 miles a day - so 154 days from now  they'll both be churning out the same daily mileage and then Steve will start to do more miles in a day than Kurt.

But it doesn't work like that does it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 09:11:21 am
I'm not being huffy, Matt - it might be someones perception (as mentioned in another thread initiated by Basil's comments) - just making a comment as i think it's too early to make any judgement on who's going to go the furthest.

Quite.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on 28 February, 2015, 09:16:12 am
Nothing like a bit of sport....

Tortoise and hare ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: C-3PO on 28 February, 2015, 09:24:15 am
Posters are reminded to remain excellent to each other and to the Universe.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 09:27:42 am
It depends which time trial. CTT bans recumbents. The UMCA doesn't, though they usually have a separate category.

It is irrelevant though, in this record, as UCMA are allowing recumbents.

However they also have separate age categories, so, like boxing, will have multiple record holders across the categories.

At the end of this bout it is likely there won't be a record holder. There will be several.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 28 February, 2015, 09:31:14 am
If it is a race then Steve will undoubtedly win because he will complete his year first.  End of.   if Kurt is racing anybody it is himself as Steve is audaxing his way to the miles in a calendar year whereas Kurt is time trialling his way to miles in 365 days and will always be ten days behind.

As for the Victory, I didn't know Horatio was going for a record as well.   :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: macnark on 28 February, 2015, 10:28:57 am
Would Steve undoubtedly win (sorry - 'get the record')  if Tarzan gets to midnight 31 Dec 2015 with more miles than Steve?

Lets say Steve has done 79 999 miles by the end of the year, but Kurt has done 80 000 miles, and still with 10 days to go.

Not sure how that would be judged. I'm hypotheticationalising of course.

Go STEEEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 28 February, 2015, 10:30:41 am
Yes he would.  This has been clarified.  The whole 365 days must be completed before any record is awarded.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 28 February, 2015, 10:38:22 am
If Steve has cycled more than 75,065 miles at the end of 31st December 2015 then he has the record. Full Stop.

What happens after that is different. Steve will have broken the record and will hold it until it is next broken. Which could be by Tarzan.

If Steve doesn't cycle more than 75,065 miles in 365 days then it is open for someone else to break and hold the record.  Which could be by Tarzan.

Ironically, the current situation works well as if they had both started at the same time and both ridden more than 75,065 miles, only one of them could break and hold the record. The other would have nothing apart from knowing that they had ridden further than the previous record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 28 February, 2015, 10:45:04 am
Let's suppose for the sake of argument that both Steve and Tarzan bag more than 76.000 miles (and IronOx less).

Steve will have:
UK record
European record
his age class record.

Tarzan will have:
US record
North-American record
his age class record

Both are winners and record holders

The UMCA allready stated that they don't recognise an overall record, only age class records. So it's up to us, the public, to declare who has the overall record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 28 February, 2015, 10:51:53 am
75,065 miles has nothing to do with the UMCA record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: macnark on 28 February, 2015, 10:55:01 am
I have a history of TT and pursuit (with some success).You haven't lost the 'race' because your down with 5/6 of the event still to go. Stay calm, stick to your schedule and if needed pull the stops out closer to the finish.

Sure, recently we have see examples in the hour event that he or she who apparently is on course to a world record in the first half, is a gasping shell of an 'amost did it' by the end.

BUUUUT - these lads are not frazzling themselves, they are riding super conservatively at sub 95 AHR so I would be of a mind to assume my co-attemptee is going to finish fairly well preserved, so I'd want to minimise his lead at every opportunity, if I feel I can afford the effort to do so.

I suspect Kurt is making as big a buffer as he can, and I think Steve will respond similarly in his own good time, but I'd hope he does it soon because I am finding this all very stressful haha!

Go STEEEEEVE! (but not too much and not too little)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: macnark on 28 February, 2015, 10:58:30 am
Okay, thanks for the clarification about that.

Still,  we know what we'd want to see :-)

Go STEEEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: macnark on 28 February, 2015, 11:03:03 am
75,065 miles has nothing to do with the UMCA record.

This is true, but it IS the benchmark of the Tommy Godwin record, by which many supporters (and both competitors I believe) are gauging this year's efforts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2015, 11:25:53 am
75,065 miles has nothing to do with the UMCA record.

This is true, but it IS the benchmark of the Tommy Godwin record, by which many supporters (and both competitors I believe) are gauging this year's efforts.

I think that was fungus' point. Holding the UMCA record but not beating Tommy will be less of an achievement.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 February, 2015, 11:53:06 am
UMCA notwithstanding, should Tarzan clock up mile 75,066 first then obv. he'll be the one who broke Tommy's record first.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 February, 2015, 12:00:46 pm
Technically a one year event can't be a time trial, it's a Road Ride. The 100,000 miles would be a time trial. A 'Record' is defined by how an event is recorded. The official 10 mile TT record may well have been 'beaten' in club events on a 'float night', but the record will be a CTT open event.
I'm not enthused by the mixing of upright and recumbent, but those are the rules.

What interests me most is the meeting of two cultures in supporting the riders. One culture is that of sporting success, they've seen British Cycling pick up medal after medal, Wiggo and Froome win the Tour, and they like scent of victory. Which is fine, that's what sport is about.

For dyed-in-the-wool cyclists it's a bit different. For me, the two high-points of recent years were Wiggo's joke about the raffle on the Tour podium, and the handshake at the end of the Olympic TT with Tony Martin and he and Wiggo sat on the tarmac, leaning on the crowd barriers, recovering.

The film that best illustrates this point is of the 2008 Mersey Roads 24. Steve is in it of course, and lots of members of this forum. I'm in it, handing up sponges, and Kurt's RAAM partner, Joel Sothern, features at the end.
The music will irritate Matt C, who puts in a fleeting appearance, over-dressed as usual. Heather and I also put in a stint marshalling at Espley roundabout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_CLt7JjqP0

We go to the Mersey to help make it happen, not to be partial. We're part of a community which exists to provide a stage for people to explore what they can do under defined conditions. Some take it more seriously than others, some have a more appealing approach, and that's as interesting as the result. Extreme efforts reveal a lot about underlying character, but everyone gets the same chance. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 February, 2015, 12:08:37 pm
No need for people to get huffy about it - if you think England will win the rugger today, you're welcome to say so.

One would, however, open oneself to derision for getting the day wrong :P

</pedant>
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 28 February, 2015, 12:28:08 pm
...
his age class record

Both are winners and record holders

The UMCA allready stated that they don't recognise an overall record, only age class records. So it's up to us, the public, to declare who has the overall record.

AFAIUI UMCA have said...

...
5. An overall record is not certified separately from the age category records. Obviously, if riders in two different age categories each hold a record, the overall record is the one with the most mileage, but it is not certified separately.

...
UMCA Records Chairman
Drew Clark


UMCA validation aside I hope Steve can get to 76066mls first.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 February, 2015, 02:52:41 pm
We're not all passive spectators. Many are supporting through practical help, or through funding. There's an element of prejudice in that, that's what being a fan is about. We can build any narrative we like about how our rider is performing.

However, there shouldn't be any prejudice in how the event is policed and recorded. Everything seems above board in that regard.

Kurt's strategy of treating it as 365 12 hour rides, places more physical strain on his body than Steve's lower intensity approach. But I don't see that Steve has much slack in terms of time to be taken up, so he needs to get faster if he isn't going to encounter sleep-debt problems.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 February, 2015, 03:24:28 pm
A lot of the interest has to come from some sort of construct. Two middle-aged men are cycling for long times, at relatively moderate speeds, on boring roads, separated by thousands of miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2015, 04:24:52 pm
I've always taken the term 'time trial' to mean that riders are riding against the clock, and not each other. The concept created to get around racing on open roads being banned. They are still riding against the clock be it on a fixed distance course or a 24?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 28 February, 2015, 04:51:43 pm
Steve is participating in daily cycling private excursions.

His endeavour is called 'One Year Time Trial' for publicity purposes and is granted 'Poetic licence' as the timescale involved is far beyond any officially organised Cycle Time Trial.

He is accumulating distance to improve on the distance set by a cyclist in 1939, before the Cycle Racing on the Highways Regulations  came into force.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 28 February, 2015, 10:32:01 pm
Edit: OK, Kurt's turned out 6 x 200 miles+ rides in the last 7 days. However, considering average mileage on day 49 he's only doing 14.5 miles/day more than Steve. On day 33 the difference was 16 miles/day - so in 16 days Steve has pulled back 1.5 miles a day - so 154 days from now  they'll both be churning out the same daily mileage and then Steve will start to do more miles in a day than Kurt.

But it doesn't work like that does it?
I think it might. Steve is looking stronger now   he did one week in.. Tarzan is looking a bit worn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 28 February, 2015, 11:23:18 pm
Edit: OK, Kurt's turned out 6 x 200 miles+ rides in the last 7 days. However, considering average mileage on day 49 he's only doing 14.5 miles/day more than Steve. On day 33 the difference was 16 miles/day - so in 16 days Steve has pulled back 1.5 miles a day - so 154 days from now  they'll both be churning out the same daily mileage and then Steve will start to do more miles in a day than Kurt.

But it doesn't work like that does it?
I think it might. Steve is looking stronger now   he did one week in.. Tarzan is looking a bit worn

 I have a 'gut' feeling that Steve will do it, but there's still a long time to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 01 March, 2015, 07:53:03 am
PLEASE, STOP NOW.

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 01 March, 2015, 08:05:34 am
Sorry mate, I think he's determined to do another 300 or so days
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 01 March, 2015, 08:14:34 am
Sorry mate, I think he's determined to do another 300 or so days

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 01 March, 2015, 08:22:15 am
300 days, eh? That should give us plenty of time to determine once and for all whether or not this is a time trial.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 01 March, 2015, 08:26:10 am
What's the website URL for Steves website called again?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 01 March, 2015, 08:33:42 am
300 days, eh? That should give us plenty of time to determine once and for all whether or not this is a time trial.
No chance.

We're currently averaging
One Tedious Discussion per Month,
and neither of them produced any agreement.

I'm off out on my bike ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 01 March, 2015, 08:37:37 am
What's the website URL for Steves website called again?

One Year Time Troll
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Aidan on 01 March, 2015, 11:38:05 am
And back on topic, Kurt is finishing off 6 packs ( of doughnuts)  , liking his recumbent and still going great guns.


But of course : GO Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 March, 2015, 02:10:20 pm
Perhaps a mod might excise these sorts of diversions into their own threads.

It's funny what people choose to run with from posts. My main point was that there are two main ways of looking at the event.

Quote
What interests me most is the meeting of two cultures in supporting the riders. One culture is that of sporting success, they've seen British Cycling pick up medal after medal, Wiggo and Froome win the Tour, and they like scent of victory. Which is fine, that's what sport is about.

For dyed-in-the-wool cyclists it's a bit different. For me, the two high-points of recent years were Wiggo's joke about the raffle on the Tour podium, and the handshake at the end of the Olympic TT with Tony Martin and he and Wiggo sat on the tarmac, leaning on the crowd barriers, recovering.

The film that best illustrates this point is of the 2008 Mersey Roads 24. Steve is in it of course, and lots of members of this forum. I'm in it, handing up sponges, and Kurt's RAAM partner, Joel Sothern, features at the end.

For me, Kurt isn't 'foreign' as he's part of my culture.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ray 6701 on 02 March, 2015, 12:44:07 pm
Tarzan has been moaning about Strava on the Ultracycling page on fb:

We have had a problem with strava not report the right miles for HAMR. This isn't the first problem with strava and I don't have the time to mess with strava to make it right.

I have the following questions - why are we loading data strava? Is Strava sponsoring this event? Is Strava paying for the data? I don't see in the rules that we must use strava so can it be eliminated?

If the UMCA wants to continue to use strava - then I suggest the following 1. Strava sign on as a sponsor.
 2. Strava provide a email that can be contacted to fix the data as needed.
 3. Strava pay each rider for the data the provided. Since it creates web traffic for them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 02 March, 2015, 12:45:44 pm
Don't yew go trash talkin' now y'hear.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 02 March, 2015, 12:59:34 pm
Tarzan has been moaning about Strava on the Ultracycling page on fb:

We have had a problem with strava not report the right miles for HAMR. This isn't the first problem with strava and I don't have the time to mess with strava to make it right.

I have the following questions - why are we loading data strava? Is Strava sponsoring this event? Is Strava paying for the data? I don't see in the rules that we must use strava so can it be eliminated?

If the UMCA wants to continue to use strava - then I suggest the following 1. Strava sign on as a sponsor.
 2. Strava provide a email that can be contacted to fix the data as needed.
 3. Strava pay each rider for the data the provided. Since it creates web traffic for them.

Me thinks Tarzan has a point. The challenge is indeed driving a huge amount of traffic to Strava. Maybe they should sign on as a joint sponsor and provide dedicated help to the challengers.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 02 March, 2015, 01:21:35 pm
For the way it's panning out - I can't see anything much better than Strava, especially for Steve/his 'followers' & sponsors.  I don't know if Strava sponsors cyclists, but I can see them thinking 'if you have something more appropriate in mind, please use that'...  Sounds like Kurt is having 'auto-upload' issues?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 March, 2015, 01:31:11 pm
IMO Kurt needs to focus on what is important and not try to change the rules wherever he encounters difficulties.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 02 March, 2015, 01:37:52 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616860/Is-golf-HOLE-lot-easier-Head-Professional-Golfers-Association-America-suggests-quadrupling-size-holes-improve-scores-increase-speed.html

And they call us 'Whinging POMS'..  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 March, 2015, 02:02:15 pm
We have had a problem with strava not report the right miles for HAMR. This isn't the first problem with strava and I don't have the time to mess with strava to make it right.

Kurt can whine as much as he likes but he should man up and make the time needed to sort out his problems properly, otherwise protests and penalties for infringements could result.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 March, 2015, 02:47:02 pm
Tarzan has been moaning about Strava on the Ultracycling page on fb:

We have had a problem with strava not report the right miles for HAMR. This isn't the first problem with strava and I don't have the time to mess with strava to make it right.

I have the following questions - why are we loading data strava? Is Strava sponsoring this event? Is Strava paying for the data?
I saw a comment grumbling about Strava - it seemed to be mainly that his GPS reported more miles than Strava.

Can some experienced person tell me if this is a 'real' problem (that is, is Strava uploading incorrect mileage)?

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 02 March, 2015, 03:50:32 pm
The garmin file looks like a ride time of about 9 ,hrs 12min so if he's trying to claim that the higher mileage is valid at an average of 23.5 mph for the day then good luck with that.

If you go to the Garmin trace, change the graph from 'Over Time' to 'Over Distance' then hover along the elevation trace it ends up at 178 miles at the end of the ride.  Basically the Garmin headline figure is just wrong.

Yes looks like a Garmin Connect problem.

Anyone got a Facebook account to post a message on

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

to tell him he's messed up and not to try and claim the extra miles. Also remind him that he still hasn't edited out the 10km vehicle transfer from his ride on Jan 26th

This was posted in the Feb 28th thread and seems to imply that Garmin connect is showing more miles in the ride title than shown on the track , intrestingly Douglas Hoffman who appears to be the UMCA executive Director says that the UMCA never requested the use of Strava and that it's not required  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on 02 March, 2015, 03:59:55 pm
Garmin Edge devices use strange formats where the speed and distance data are recorded in additional fields. If they haven't reset or been reset correctly you can have discrepancies. If the track shows X and the claimed distance shows Y then you have to take the track. It's not a problem with Strava but with a buggy GPS IMO. If he doesn't have a backup GPS then he should sort one out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 March, 2015, 04:05:44 pm
I use Strava for recording rides and runs.   I have had it malfunction once in three months and I am not convinced that this was not a case of numpty user error.   Nothing is perfect, not even me!!! 

AIUI, Stever uses more than one device so as to eliminate risk of electron fart from time to time.   Sensible strategy IMO commensurate with good planning for such an event.   

Perhaps Kurt should sit in his camper van whilst speeding down the road, bemoan his lot and sink a beer or three before getting back on the bike and riding a bit more.   :D   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on 02 March, 2015, 04:08:00 pm
IMO Kurt needs to focus on what is important and not try to change the rules wherever he encounters difficulties.

+1
he`s had alcohol rule changed as he slipped up, he`s got `bents allowed, he appears to have left tracker on during transfers---in the long run if he comes out with most miles all these `infringements` will devalue his record. As was stated a while back both he and Steve saw the rules and signed up to them, end of.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 02 March, 2015, 04:37:32 pm
If it is the disputed distance for 28th Feb (Strava: 178.2; Garmin Connect: 215.8 miles) that has prompted this complaint, I can't see how this is a Strava problem. As far as I can see, the track is the same on both but it is simply the summary figure reported on Garmin Connect that is in error. The Strava data are the more reliable in this case. Unless there is some addition to the route that is not mapped on either service, in which case that sounds like a GPS/operator error, not one from Strava.

The point about Strava benefiting from the OYTT/HAMR publicity is undoubtedly true, but not a reason to change the rules part way through the event.

Talking of Strava, I see that Steve is down as winning the February MTS, 48.5km ahead of Kurt. Kurt's actual distance exceeded Steve in Feb (Kurt= 9139km; Steve = 8626km), but if I recall Kurt didn't join the MTS until part way though the month, so perhaps that's the reason. As a competitive rider, he may be kicking himself now for not joining earlier.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 02 March, 2015, 04:42:07 pm
FWIW I believe that the use of Stava as a recording of the HAM'R was part of the rules.

Kurt's website says he had been approached, 'ages ago', but didn't like the rules and went away, then came back after some changes had been made, so he's been fully aware of the rules that he likes.  ::-)

I do agree that it has got a massive load of traffic for Strava but come on if you're going to do this mad year long ride you really ought to know exactly what you're letting yourself in for.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on 02 March, 2015, 04:46:06 pm
There is another discussion somewhere on this forum about the Garmin connect bit and if you look Kurt's disputed data up it does give 215 miles, which as I've stated before seems more in line with his Tracker info; however if you look at the Garmin data with respect to distance it only gives him 178 miles for exactly the same information.

Seems to me his gripe should be with Garmin not Strava, other sites have been asking about known Garmin issues such as switching themselves off etc.  :hand:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 02 March, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
Talking of Strava, I see that Steve is down as winning the February MTS, 48.5km ahead of Kurt. Kurt's actual distance exceeded Steve in Feb (Kurt= 9139km; Steve = 8626km), but if I recall Kurt didn't join the MTS until part way though the month, so perhaps that's the reason. As a competitive rider, he may be kicking himself now for not joining earlier.
Joining part way through the month doesn't effect the number of miles recorded for those challenges - you can join on the last day & it takes your whole months mileage.

And as for more web traffic on Strava because of this - unlikely I would have thought.  Most (currently) interested in following this are probably already using the website.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 02 March, 2015, 05:00:41 pm
His concerns with Strava should be contested. If it wasn't for the Strava files uploaded and in full public view there would be extra erroneous miles in his totals so far. As stated Garmin connect has been shown to be more fallible.
As it is he still has vehicle transfer miles in his total.

I have grown to like and admire Kurt, but one thing I find strange is that he, or his crew are claiming this considerably higher mileage for the 28th without any additional facts. Was the mileage missed at the end or the beginning or a strange extra loop, because the given route downloaded and checked on other mapping sites gives the lower distance.
As I've stated elsewhere, his claimed higher mileage would put his average speed for the GARMIN CONNECT file ride time at 23.5 mph.

Unless there was some freak tailwind this just doesn't wash. He is in danger of damaging his credibility here.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 March, 2015, 05:08:30 pm
He's in danger of permanently damaging his credibility everywhere, not just here.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 02 March, 2015, 05:13:30 pm
I'm pretty sure it's a Garmin Connect issue. Alicia says that it was a two-ride day, yet only one file uploaded. If they used Garmin Connect to auto upload the data to Strava it just compounded the issue.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 02 March, 2015, 05:15:25 pm
Strava isn't dictated in the rules http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/max-mileage.php
I presume (!) he's been relying on more than one GPS device - but even if not, he always has the recommended "witness book" to validate the mileage, as per rule 11...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 02 March, 2015, 05:21:54 pm
Quote from rules

Ride data will be posted daily within 24 hours of the completion of the ride.


So Kurt - where is your data posted by midnight 1st March to validate this higher claim??
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 02 March, 2015, 05:24:35 pm
So is anyone going to rat on him?  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 02 March, 2015, 05:36:49 pm
I would imagine that it must be immensely frustrating to have ridden the last 40 miles of a 220 mile day only to find out that for whatever reason it had not been logged. Looking at his daily movement patterns (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87407.msg1821348#msg1821348) (28th Feb: bottom row in the blue chart), he does appear to have finished unusually early, so I can believe that he may well have put in a further 40 mile ride at the end of the day.

However, if the data have not been recorded or uploaded (and I see nowhere where it might have been), I think he has to take it on the chin rather than throw accusations around about poor service or value for money from Strava. And I'd have more respect for his position if he or his teammate had put as much effort into disputing his vehicle assisted overestimate as he has done for this possible underestimate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 02 March, 2015, 05:45:46 pm
These are his Garmin logs https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/708268037

On Garmin no one can make a dig about his lack of climbing or use of a bent, things that are quite common in his strava comments
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 March, 2015, 05:54:28 pm
So is anyone going to rat on him?  ;)

He should 'rat' as you put it on himself.   This challenge is as much about honesty and integrity as it is a mighty physical challenge.

Seems to me that Kurt is happy to flirt with the rules to his advantage but is not man enough to take one on the chin IF he gets a bite back.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 02 March, 2015, 06:30:56 pm
Quote from rules

Ride data will be posted daily within 24 hours of the completion of the ride.


So Kurt - where is your data posted by midnight 1st March to validate this higher claim??

Don't such things almost have a separate timescale/process when there is a "dispute", as opposed to the normal course of events?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 02 March, 2015, 06:35:05 pm
Quote from rules

Ride data will be posted daily within 24 hours of the completion of the ride.


So Kurt - where is your data posted by midnight 1st March to validate this higher claim??

He did not finish riding at midnight, therefore the above is incorrect.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 02 March, 2015, 06:37:17 pm
When you are 650 miles up on a LFL basis I think he can afford to lose 40 miles.

GO TARZAN
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 March, 2015, 06:40:30 pm
IIRC Strava have scrapped Steve's fees(or something) as a form of sponsorship.

Did they do similar for Kurt?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 02 March, 2015, 06:41:21 pm
When you are 650 miles up on a LFL basis I think he can afford to lose 40 miles.

More so if you are 1 mile behind after 12 months. 

I suspect that the end of year totals are going to be a lot closer than the current difference suggests.  And I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kurt is concerned about that as well (or at least wants to make sure there is a big a buffer as possible).

If I were in Kurt's shoes, I'd be scrapping and scrabbling for every ridden mile I could.  I'm a bit confused by the whole affair though.  It's not clear from what I've read whether Strava or Garmin or both are borked.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 March, 2015, 06:48:32 pm
Quote from rules

Ride data will be posted daily within 24 hours of the completion of the ride.


So Kurt - where is your data posted by midnight 1st March to validate this higher claim??

Don't such things almost have a separate timescale/process when there is a "dispute", as opposed to the normal course of events?
That would certainly seem reasonable, and consistent with appeals processes in most major sporting events.
But I dont recall reading any such thing, so who knows?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jonas L on 02 March, 2015, 06:49:08 pm
I quickly plotted the route in Bike Route Toaster. 190 miles. http://bikeroutetoaster.com/BRTWebUI/Course/768431

And as you can see Bike Route Toaster makes some weird deviations, so actual distance should be lower. So in my view Strava is correct, Garmin Connect is off.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 March, 2015, 07:05:27 pm
I would imagine that it must be immensely frustrating to have ridden the last 40 miles of a 220 mile day only to find out that for whatever reason it had not been logged. Looking at his daily movement patterns (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87407.msg1821348#msg1821348) (28th Feb: bottom row in the blue chart), he does appear to have finished unusually early, so I can believe that he may well have put in a further 40 mile ride at the end of the day.

However, if the data have not been recorded or uploaded (and I see nowhere where it might have been), I think he has to take it on the chin rather than throw accusations around about poor service or value for money from Strava. And I'd have more respect for his position if he or his teammate had put as much effort into disputing his vehicle assisted overestimate as he has done for this possible underestimate.
Yup.

And as Jack posted earlier, he seems to have bugger-all corroborative evidence, and a 23mph+ average for the day looks VERY dodgy.

Drop this now Tarzan - its' for the best in the long run  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 02 March, 2015, 07:33:32 pm
IIRC Strava have scrapped Steve's fees(or something) as a form of sponsorship.

Did they do similar for Kurt?

One would hope so.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 02 March, 2015, 07:42:53 pm
Photo lifted from Tarzan's facebook page. Does look pretty idyllic for a bent

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8580/16671242106_51ec66b125_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rpbtsJ)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 02 March, 2015, 07:53:24 pm
IIRC Strava have scrapped Steve's fees(or something) as a form of sponsorship.

Did they do similar for Kurt?

One would hope so.

Steve is a Premium Member.  Kurt is not.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 02 March, 2015, 07:56:03 pm
IIRC Strava have scrapped Steve's fees(or something) as a form of sponsorship.

Did they do similar for Kurt?

One would hope so.

Steve is a Premium Member.  Kurt is not.
Take that, yanks!

;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 02 March, 2015, 08:54:04 pm
Garmin Edge devices use strange formats where the speed and distance data are recorded in additional fields. If they haven't reset or been reset correctly you can have discrepancies. If the track shows X and the claimed distance shows Y then you have to take the track. It's not a problem with Strava but with a buggy GPS IMO. If he doesn't have a backup GPS then he should sort one out.

I don't know if this is strictly relevant but I had a discrepancy between Garmin Connect and Strava on the Wye Wednesday a couple of weeks ago. And I know exactly what caused it...

At the start of the ride, I tried to load the course into my Edge 510. After several minutes of waiting, I just pressed the start button and set off riding but eventually (after 28km) I realised that the course was never going to load, so I reset the device, continuing without the course.

Now, the clever thing about the 510 is that you can turn it off while recording and it will resume recording when you turn it on again. So Garmin Connect did record those first 28km as part of the course. However, it didn't show my GPS track for those 28km.

I've set Garmin to auto upload rides to Strava, but when I looked at the ride on Strava, it showed the same track as on Garmin Connect but 28km less overall distance.

(As an aside, I suspect the problem with the course file was that it was too large - I'd made it at Ridewithgps.com and exported the correct tcx file format as I have successfully done before, and I have no idea why it was over 2MB, but there you go.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 March, 2015, 11:42:47 pm
If it is the disputed distance for 28th Feb (Strava: 178.2; Garmin Connect: 215.8 miles) that has prompted this complaint, I can't see how this is a Strava problem.
That is a very big difference.

Is Kurt uploading the miles from his strava record and can we tell? 'scuse me I really know very little about strava.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 03 March, 2015, 12:18:06 am
Old Lanterne Rouge Audax proverb doth say: There's a peace that comes from a life much too slow for Strava to be remotely interested in  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 03 March, 2015, 05:45:55 am
Lanterne Rouge, he say "who ate all the sandwiches?"

Another solid day from Kurt. He does seem to have a short term goal of tracking Tommy Godwin's year long average.  Rather than aping Steve's rides, as was the supposition of some earlier this year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sio2111 on 03 March, 2015, 07:15:44 am
I still think there is a degree of mirroring when you look at distance covered by day of cycling

(http://andsl.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dy-day1.jpg)

This is up to the end of Feb. Yes he does seem to be aiming for Tommy's average but there is still responsiveness to what Steve does IMHO.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 03 March, 2015, 03:32:50 pm
Bored at work.  My job means I have an affinity with statistics and hypothesis testing.

The daily correlation between Kurt's rides and Steve's is between 0 and 0.2, depending on the number of days you offset, so only weakly mirroring each other (a 1 means absolutely mirroring, -1 means doing the opposite, 0 means basically no link).

If I look at whether the ride was more or less than the day before, (so stripping out the overall change in distance) the correlation is around about the same.

So I think the current verdict of Mathematics is "Case not proven".

There are more sophisticated mathematical tests but I am not that bored.  Yet. (and also I can't remember where I've filed my actuarial exam notes about what the more sophisticated tests are!)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 03 March, 2015, 04:09:24 pm
There do seem to be days when he's followed / "beaten" steve's daily totals, but he doesnt need to. Tarzan's been regularly doing more than steve since the start.   It might become more obvious in future if Steve increases his mileage.

The weather here's taken a nosedive in the last couple of weeks, and as we were talking about it at home, my wife and i both said we can well remember snow on our boys birthdays, more than once. Theyre in May. 

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 03 March, 2015, 04:21:51 pm
<SNIP>My job means I have an affinity with statistics and hypothesis testing.<SNIP>

(TFFIC in the following....)
I'd be interested in the correlation between a proclivity for regularly riding long distances on a bike and occupations such as actuary, statistician, mathematician, 'data scientist' and similar. I'd hypothesise that it's 'quite high' and at least 'higher than the overall population norm'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: offcumden on 03 March, 2015, 04:47:44 pm
I doubt there's much of a correlation.  I reckon there are just as many of the non-measurers riding a long way; the difference is that they don't realise they're doing it.
And they don't spend time analysing it, either for their own amusement or the 'benefit' of others  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sio2111 on 03 March, 2015, 06:41:54 pm
Bored at work.  My job means I have an affinity with statistics and hypothesis testing.

The daily correlation between Kurt's rides and Steve's is between 0 and 0.2, depending on the number of days you offset, so only weakly mirroring each other (a 1 means absolutely mirroring, -1 means doing the opposite, 0 means basically no link).

If I look at whether the ride was more or less than the day before, (so stripping out the overall change in distance) the correlation is around about the same.

So I think the current verdict of Mathematics is "Case not proven".

There are more sophisticated mathematical tests but I am not that bored.  Yet. (and also I can't remember where I've filed my actuarial exam notes about what the more sophisticated tests are!)

Fair enough. I hadn't done any stats analysis on it myself. It will be interesting to see if this changes over time as more data becomes available.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 03 March, 2015, 09:19:14 pm
<SNIP>My job means I have an affinity with statistics and hypothesis testing.<SNIP>

(TFFIC in the following....)
I'd be interested in the correlation between a proclivity for regularly riding long distances on a bike and occupations such as actuary, statistician, mathematician, 'data scientist' and similar. I'd hypothesise that it's 'quite high' and at least 'higher than the overall population norm'.

Hm, I'd be one of the cases against this. Did one SPSS course once, hated it and never bothered with statistics since that first year at uni course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 04 March, 2015, 12:07:01 am
I've "used" - or at least tried to help others to use - SPSS a couple of times. The 15ish year gap between the two was, IMO, insufficient.

On the other hand, if you widen the set from mathmo spods to include those of a pedantic disposition ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 04 March, 2015, 12:18:39 am
Hm, I'd be one of the cases against this. Did one SPSS course once, hated it and never bothered with statistics since that first year at uni course.

I found myself in the unlikely situation where the first year statistics course was my favourite module, and promptly changed degree...   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 04 March, 2015, 07:50:31 am
Hm, I'd be one of the cases against this. Did one SPSS course once, hated it and never bothered with statistics since that first year at uni course.

I found myself in the unlikely situation where the first year statistics course was my favourite module, and promptly changed degree...   ;D

I do remember a similar case in my course ;).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 04 March, 2015, 09:01:42 am
"Lies, damned lies and,,,,,,  "
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 04 March, 2015, 10:00:30 am
...mathematically illiterate populations?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 04 March, 2015, 10:02:38 am
...mathematically illiterate populations?

Got any statistics for that?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 04 March, 2015, 11:56:26 am
...mathematically illiterate populations?

Got any statistics for that?

Pah! 71.2% of all statistics are made up.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 04 March, 2015, 12:03:05 pm
I always thought that 95% of statistics are derived from statistically insignificant data and the other 10% are made up by sales droids.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on 04 March, 2015, 12:06:47 pm
I thought statistick was stationary glue.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 04 March, 2015, 12:13:57 pm
I thought statistick was stationary glue.

As opposed to a moving glue?  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 04 March, 2015, 12:22:12 pm
"Lies, damned lies and,,,,,,  "

...the internet?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Andrij on 04 March, 2015, 12:28:59 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 04 March, 2015, 12:48:26 pm
...mathematically illiterate populations?

Got any statistics for that?

Pah! 71.2% of all statistics are made up.
Maybe ... but what about the other half, eh?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 04 March, 2015, 01:01:29 pm
...mathematically illiterate populations?

Got any statistics for that?

Pah! 71.2% of all statistics are made up.
Maybe ... but what about the other half, eh?

Statistically, there is a 50% chance that this is incorrect!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 04 March, 2015, 01:05:25 pm
Skinner: "Half the Tory Members opposite are crooks"
Speaker: "The honourable member MUST withdraw that remark"
Skinner: "OK, half the Tories are not crooks"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 04 March, 2015, 01:44:02 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 04 March, 2015, 01:45:17 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 04 March, 2015, 03:07:55 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]

No.

Henry Ford invented everything.

So we were told when Ford bought Jaguar.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on 04 March, 2015, 03:29:25 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]

No.

Henry Ford invented everything.

So we were told when Ford bought Jaguar.

Everything was either invented by the Scots, the Chinese or the ancient Greeks as any fule kno who watches QI.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 04 March, 2015, 03:30:43 pm
Please could we have a new thread for this?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 04 March, 2015, 04:24:59 pm
Please could we have a new thread for this?
Do you think any of it is worth keeping?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 March, 2015, 04:26:27 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]

No.

Henry Ford invented everything.

So we were told when Ford bought Jaguar.

I have certainly encountered USAnians who believe, without a hint of irony, that Henry Ford invented the motorcar.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on 04 March, 2015, 11:14:33 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]

No.

Henry Ford invented everything.

So we were told when Ford bought Jaguar.

I have certainly encountered USAnians who believe, without a hint of irony, that Henry Ford invented the motorcar.

Well they're sadly deluded, but he certainly invented the production line.

And the colour black.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 05 March, 2015, 12:00:07 am
Back on topic.

Currently running at 213 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 05 March, 2015, 01:58:43 am
Back on topic.

Currently running at 213 miles.

217.8 miles for the day, and beginning to head back to Arkansas.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 March, 2015, 05:52:30 am
There's a comment on Facebook that he might want to take his time getting back to AK. 

Is that likely to relate to weather or something?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on 05 March, 2015, 06:30:20 am
I guess so  -  currently -3 degC with a low of -9 degC forecast overnight  !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 March, 2015, 07:05:11 am
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Exactly!  Everyone knows that was Thomas Edison.

He invented the internet, by the way.

And Tunnocks Tea Cakes.

Ah! [lightbulb moment]

No.

Henry Ford invented everything.

So we were told when Ford bought Jaguar.

Everything was either invented by the Scots, the Chinese or the ancient Greeks as any fule kno who watches QI.

Everything that was worth inventing was invented by a R1b haplotype with one particular gene in the HAR switched on.

Except the wheel. That was granted to mankind by a Sumarian god called Ningis******.
 

 ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 05 March, 2015, 09:04:49 am
Please could we have a new thread for this?
Do you think any of it is worth keeping?!?

It's certainly worth keeping it off this thread!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Clemo on 05 March, 2015, 09:11:53 am
I guess so  -  currently -3 degC with a low of -9 degC forecast overnight  !
I can't speak for Kurt but given the option in his situation I would avoid those sorts of temperatures certainly after riding around Florida for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on 05 March, 2015, 09:17:24 am
There's a comment on Facebook that he might want to take his time getting back to AK. 

Is that likely to relate to weather or something?

Perhaps he should head for Oregon.

(http://firsthandweather.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Final-Winter-Forecast.png)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 March, 2015, 09:23:15 am
Indeed.

(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11041773_10153157706971133_4592383328415276296_n.jpg?oh=c4e8ac7df35795ab383d4c1883e9fe4c&oe=558500BA)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 05 March, 2015, 09:26:22 am
I did a bit of a double take at that... and then remembered the temps are Fahrenheit. So not actually that warm after all, but it's all relative.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on 05 March, 2015, 10:00:51 am
Yebbut most of Oregon is a bit lumpier than Florida or Arkansas.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 05 March, 2015, 10:11:17 am
Tarzan said he was doing a 12 Hr TT for the HAM'R day later this month so where is that?
FB comment does state  "Beginning the trip back toward to Arkansas", look forward to seeing where he goes.

I make it that he is now over 770 miles ahead of TG on days elapsed  :o

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 05 March, 2015, 10:21:41 am
The only 12hr on the UMCA calendar is the Bessies Creek on 9th April. HAM'r day is 11th. This event is in southern Texas just outside Houston.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on 05 March, 2015, 10:59:49 am
Tarzan said he was doing a 12 Hr TT for the HAM'R day later this month so where is that?
FB comment does state  "Beginning the trip back toward to Arkansas", look forward to seeing where he goes.

I make it that he is now over 770 miles ahead of TG on days elapsed  :o

Feck that's a lot actually  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 05 March, 2015, 11:03:28 am
About 3.75 days, or just over 1%  at Godwin pace.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 05 March, 2015, 11:09:22 am
It's a lot on it's own but it's not in the context of the year if Steve can up his daily mileage, as per his schedule, in March. 
He's not done it in the first few days, but he seems to be on a roll today. 
This is where it gets (more) interesting!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on 05 March, 2015, 11:43:15 am
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Godwin_%28cyclist_born_1912%29)
Quote
For the first two months Godwin's mileage lagged 922 mi (1,484 km) behind Nicholson's schedule.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 March, 2015, 11:51:18 am
Yes, people forget that Godwin came from behind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 05 March, 2015, 03:26:03 pm
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Godwin_%28cyclist_born_1912%29)
Quote
For the first two months Godwin's mileage lagged 922 mi (1,484 km) behind Nicholson's schedule.

Does the Nicholson schedule exist somewhere?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 05 March, 2015, 04:24:47 pm
Tarzan said he was doing a 12 Hr TT for the HAM'R day later this month so where is that?
FB comment does state  "Beginning the trip back toward to Arkansas", look forward to seeing where he goes.

I make it that he is now over 770 miles ahead of TG on days elapsed  :o


Did he tell his maw ?
(i'll get my coat)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 05 March, 2015, 06:03:42 pm
Latest fb video shows Tarzan needing a hug, wishing he was doing something else other than riding a bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 05 March, 2015, 06:11:24 pm
Is it possible to post links directly to this stuff rather than us having to actually go onto Facebook to find it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 March, 2015, 06:12:49 pm
That's pretty telling. He's got more than 10 months still to go. Over 300 days of doing something he's already fed up with. This is where the test of character really begins. How much does he want this?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 March, 2015, 06:14:54 pm
Does this work?
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/10991711_1583199435255097_1170706513_n.mp4?rl=541&vabr=301&oh=584465fb56bec425abd2477e18a07b7a&oe=54F8C6CD
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on 05 March, 2015, 06:17:06 pm
Is it possible to post links directly to this stuff rather than us having to actually go onto Facebook to find it?

This should link to his FB picture page (which you don't need to sign in to FB to see)

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos?fref=photo (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos?fref=photo)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 05 March, 2015, 06:19:31 pm
That's pretty telling. He's got more than 10 months still to go. Over 300 days of doing something he's already fed up with. This is where the test of character really begins. How much does he want this?

Not telling at all. I am certain all previous and current OYTT riders will have had and will have periods of feeling fed up with the endeavour. It's what comes with devoting almost all of your waking hours to such a physically and mentally gruelling task. St Steve will have similar feelings at times, but will probably not video it and post to FB.

Good luck to both riders and hoping they can climb out of the low points.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 05 March, 2015, 06:29:18 pm
From the background noise on that day55 video, the traffic conditions don't seem too good.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 05 March, 2015, 06:31:36 pm
That's pretty telling. He's got more than 10 months still to go. Over 300 days of doing something he's already fed up with. This is where the test of character really begins. How much does he want this?

Not telling at all. I am certain all previous and current OYTT riders will have had and will have periods of feeling fed up with the endeavour. It's what comes with devoting almost all of your waking hours to such a physically and mentally gruelling task. St Steve will have similar feelings at times, but will probably not video it and post to FB.

Good luck to both riders and hoping they can climb out of the low points.

Agreed, and never mind the OYTT I'm certain there are a lot of us on these boards that sometimes wonder what is the point when you are out on a long bike ride - I know I have.

I don't know if heading back to Arkansas has triggered being with his family and ex-wife is more fun then riding his bike. What Kurt needs to do is to close his eyes and think back to the very moment that he decided that the OYTT is what he wanted to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 05 March, 2015, 06:33:45 pm
Is it possible to post links directly to this stuff rather than us having to actually go onto Facebook to find it?

This should link to his FB picture page (which you don't need to sign in to FB to see)

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos?fref=photo (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos?fref=photo)
Didnt work for me - but I'm proably logged into FB already! I doubt that broke the link, but you never know with FB ...

ED: but mcshroom's works fine  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 05 March, 2015, 06:37:08 pm
Does this work?
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/10991711_1583199435255097_1170706513_n.mp4?rl=541&vabr=301&oh=584465fb56bec425abd2477e18a07b7a&oe=54F8C6CD

Thanks McShroom - it worked fine. First time I've heard his voice!

The video quality was a bit crappy, or maybe that's just my steam-powered PC.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 05 March, 2015, 06:40:03 pm
Does this work?
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/10991711_1583199435255097_1170706513_n.mp4?rl=541&vabr=301&oh=584465fb56bec425abd2477e18a07b7a&oe=54F8C6CD
Yes. Worked well, although was very small in the middle of my large monitor  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 05 March, 2015, 06:40:29 pm
I be tempted to question somebody's sanity if they didn't entertain all kinds of questioning, doubtful thoughts and feelings doing something so ludicrously unbalanced as HAMR [and I don't mean that in a critical way at all]. Something can never ever be good all the time. Life is never like that. The question is: how do you deal with those kind of states when they come up. That's the psychological test, and it's as big, if not bigger than the physical one. I remember Steve writing a post somewhere on yacf last year where he expressed an uncertainty about how he might cope with some of the psychological aspects of it all. Neither of them have ever been here before. You're bound to be uncertain about it.
If we know anything at all about Teethgrinder, it's the fact that he can endure some pretty extreme situations out there on the road, where most of us, certainly me most definitely, would be long, long gone before it ever got to that.
That's why he's doing this and we're not :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 March, 2015, 06:43:32 pm
Does this work?
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/10991711_1583199435255097_1170706513_n.mp4?rl=541&vabr=301&oh=584465fb56bec425abd2477e18a07b7a&oe=54F8C6CD

Thanks McShroom - it worked fine. First time I've heard his voice!

The video quality was a bit crappy, or maybe that's just my steam-powered PC.

That effect comes from Youtube's stabilisation process, it takes out the shakes, and renders them as wobbles.
'Your rider appears to be shaky, would you like us to stabilise him?'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 05 March, 2015, 06:47:39 pm
I'm not surprised Kurt is getting a bit bored of this. He's spending a lot of time repeating fairly featureless roads with heavy traffic on a thin hard shoulder. I hope a change of scenery as he heads out of Florida perks him up a bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 05 March, 2015, 06:48:11 pm
I reckon it's rather brave of him to have an existential moment on video with the world watching, rather than somewhere more traditional like halfway up a Welsh mountain in the rain.


GO KURT!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 05 March, 2015, 06:58:11 pm
Cold be a bit of devious reverse psychology. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 05 March, 2015, 07:03:01 pm
I reckon it's rather brave of him to have an existential moment on video with the world watching, rather than somewhere more traditional like halfway up a Welsh mountain in the rain.


GO KURT!

It is.

He has a rather nasty looking bruise to his left forearm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on 05 March, 2015, 07:04:11 pm
Or a reaction to seeing how far Steve had ridden when he woke up this morning. I'm guessing it's temporary anyway, you don't ride 12hr TTs and RAAM without quite a lot of mental resolve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 March, 2015, 07:10:55 pm
There's a tradition of this sort of thing in US long distance cycling. A bit of an audition piece.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10151142316291006
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 05 March, 2015, 07:13:01 pm
I may have heard it wrong, but didn't he say something about pulling his kids around on his 4 wheel trailer in the snow?

Thing is, with the best will in the world, riding your bike around for 200 miles a day, day after day, come what may, could easily wear a bit thin and start to feel a bit meaningless if you love your kids, begin to miss them and fancy spending time with them. He also does a lot for work for a local charity to help orphaned children.
As they say over there - go figure.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 March, 2015, 07:16:41 pm
Kurt won't be working much for a charity (or much else) this year if he intends to take the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on 05 March, 2015, 07:29:59 pm
Does this work?
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/10991711_1583199435255097_1170706513_n.mp4?rl=541&vabr=301&oh=584465fb56bec425abd2477e18a07b7a&oe=54F8C6CD

Thanks McShroom - it worked fine. First time I've heard his voice!

The video quality was a bit crappy, or maybe that's just my steam-powered PC.

That effect comes from Youtube's stabilisation process, it takes out the shakes, and renders them as wobbles.
'Your rider appears to be shaky, would you like us to stabilise him?'

It wasn't a wobbly effect (and what's wrong with being wobbly, eh? Eh??) it more like random vertical lines and/or smudges ever few seconds.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 05 March, 2015, 07:31:40 pm
Kurt won't be working much for a charity (or much else) this year if he intends to take the record.

He could ask for sponsorship - e.g. only a penny a mile...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 March, 2015, 07:55:42 pm
I may have heard it wrong, but didn't he say something about pulling his kids around on his 4 wheel trailer in the snow?

Thing is, with the best will in the world, riding your bike around for 200 miles a day, day after day, come what may, could easily wear a bit thin and start to feel a bit meaningless if you love your kids, begin to miss them and fancy spending time with them. He also does a lot for work for a local charity to help orphaned children.
As they say over there - go figure.

That was what I picked up.

If you have got other big things in your life, taking a year out just to ride every day and do nothing else makes it one hell of a lot harder. This, to me, is one of the key differences between Steve and Tarzan. Steve's life has been so geared to cycling, above everything, that what he is doing now just seems like a logical progression. That's not the impression I gain with Kurt. To me it seems to be the difference between built-in and bolted-on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 05 March, 2015, 08:34:39 pm
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-hardest-working-lazy-person-you-know/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sio2111 on 05 March, 2015, 08:54:01 pm
Also

http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/head-head-battle-yearlong-distance-record?cid=socNews_20150305_41528496&adbid=10153152906031670&adbpl=fb&adbpr=24470421669 (http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/head-head-battle-yearlong-distance-record?cid=socNews_20150305_41528496&adbid=10153152906031670&adbpl=fb&adbpr=24470421669)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 05 March, 2015, 09:35:55 pm
Two things jumped out at me in those two articles.

1) Kurt has lost 25lb in weight so far. I wonder if that all happened at the beginning and has stabilized. It's been suggested Steve started heavier than usual deliberately in January. Can these guys actually get enough calories in to match what they're using up, day after day?

2) Kurt is quoted as saying that he watched Steve on the first day and cycled a few miles more than him. I've seen it said in lots of places that that's Kurt's tactic, but I've not seen it said by Kurt before.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on 05 March, 2015, 10:10:25 pm
"Does the Nicholson schedule exist somewhere?"

I have it in fact I've done all of the rider's schedules since 1911.  Hope to publish them all soon as they are fascinating.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 March, 2015, 10:27:46 pm
With support and wishes from his children, Kurt will do this.

Go Kurt.

"Our dad is the greatest cyclist in the World."
That's all he has to think about.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 05 March, 2015, 10:32:33 pm

2) Kurt is quoted as saying that he watched Steve on the first day and cycled a few miles more than him. I've seen it said in lots of places that that's Kurt's tactic, but I've not seen it said by Kurt before.

I read that as "Steve showed he wasn't dicking about, so I decided to show him I wasn't either".  Rather than a comment on a general tactic.

Kurt comes across as a decent guy.  I'm enjoying following his efforts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 05 March, 2015, 10:38:19 pm

2) Kurt is quoted as saying that he watched Steve on the first day and cycled a few miles more than him. I've seen it said in lots of places that that's Kurt's tactic, but I've not seen it said by Kurt before.

I read that as "Steve showed he wasn't dicking about, so I decided to show him I wasn't either".  Rather than a comment on a general tactic.

Kurt comes across as a decent guy.  I'm enjoying following his efforts.

Me too - I'm not complaining. If I were riding in Kurt's position, I would certainly have done more miles than Steve on Day 1. For my own state of mind, I'd want to start off feeling I was winning. I don't see doing a few miles more than Steve as some kind of underhand tactic - if Steve is going to set a record, and Kurt wants to beat it, then he has to do a few more miles than Steve - that's how you beat a distance record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on 06 March, 2015, 08:38:41 am
"Does the Nicholson schedule exist somewhere?"

I have it in fact I've done all of the rider's schedules since 1911.  Hope to publish them all soon as they are fascinating.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on 06 March, 2015, 09:10:36 am
It will be interesting to see if diet has much effect over the year.
Kurt does appear to be eating a pretty poor selection of over processed food.
At least Steve gets home cooked food with plenty of fresh veg on a regular basis.
A very long way to go yet, I wish them both well.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 06 March, 2015, 10:22:32 am
Really good to see some nice comments on FB following Kurt's video where he's on a downer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 06 March, 2015, 10:46:40 am
Really good to see some nice comments on FB following Kurt's video where he's on a downer.

Staunch supporters of the Teethgrinder we are, but that does not lend itself to dissuading the opposition.

Whilst I would like to see Steve smash the record into absolute bits, the additional interest of protagonists is to be encouraged. Not only because it makes vicarious watching more interesting, but because it may also inspire both of them as the year progresses.

Go Kurt, GO (a little bit further) Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 06 March, 2015, 10:57:44 am
Really good to see some nice comments on FB following Kurt's video where he's on a downer.
Kudos to Kurt for putting it out there. It brings home the enormity and impact of the challenge. Of course I hope Steve trounces him, but for the right reasons.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on 06 March, 2015, 11:00:52 am
Really good to see some nice comments on FB following Kurt's video where he's on a downer.

Staunch supporters of the Teethgrinder we are, but that does not lend itself to dissuading the opposition.

Whilst I would like to see Steve smash the record into absolute bits, the additional interest of protagonists is to be encouraged. Not only because it makes vicarious watching more interesting, but because it may also inspire both of them as the year progresses.

Go Kurt, GO (a little bit further) Steve!

Interesting underlying tone, I was just passing a comment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 06 March, 2015, 11:39:37 am
As was I. There is no underlying tone to my comment, I have no time for such nonsense and I truly wish both riders nothing but the best of health and good fortune throughout their endeavour. I would offer the same encouragement to both riders under the cirumstances, though of course I would favour Steve solely because I have briefly ridden in his slipstream.

More that I am observing (particularly in the media) that it is an increasingly prevalent means of 'winning' not to become better than an opponent, but to encourage them to be (or be seen to be) worse than you. Clearly there will be many opportunities for me to prove this over the coming months, not least of which on the "Politics" board (if there is such an animal).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on 06 March, 2015, 12:46:47 pm
Yes there is such an animal -"Politics and other big issues"
but you need to learn the funny handshake to get in-go to "Office reception" for an invite.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on 06 March, 2015, 03:11:25 pm
re looking at his FB page - looking at those broken bars, he might do as well to stick with the bent for a while, if he's happy with it. It seems more reliable somehow.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 06 March, 2015, 09:34:58 pm
The question of the day is - will Kurt leave Florida? another 30 miles following his current trajectory will git him close, but not over the border, I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2015, 10:01:21 pm
And if he does leave Florida, is he marching to Georgia or going to Alabama with a banjo on his knee?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 06 March, 2015, 10:04:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDm_ZHyYTrg

 :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 06 March, 2015, 10:40:51 pm
Surely:
http://youtu.be/Thls_tMuFkc

or (assuming he remembers to switch the tracker off):
http://youtu.be/v78-ftcqpNw

As for Alabama:
http://youtu.be/1Ez9v7LQrVc
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 06 March, 2015, 10:45:26 pm
And he's gotta cross Mississippi, Goddam!:
http://youtu.be/hBiAtwQZnHs
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 06 March, 2015, 10:47:45 pm
Of course, the Mountain Goats. Going to Georgia.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qe6DE9BXWeY

I think Macon's too far north for now, though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 06 March, 2015, 10:55:00 pm
He doesn't have to go via Mississippi - he could go through Tennessee instead. He could consider a move to Memphis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udctidi7GKI
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 06 March, 2015, 10:57:31 pm
You boys can't seem to ever make an accurate assessment on Tarzan.  Its obvious he's taking a trip along the worlds whitest beaches. My bet is he's headed towards  P-Cola. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 06 March, 2015, 11:10:48 pm
I think he's just following the wind and staying cool  8)

http://youtu.be/_3XFs2r_99E
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 07 March, 2015, 08:55:57 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on 07 March, 2015, 11:55:50 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMU1S8FhKg
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 07 March, 2015, 12:04:43 pm
*tries to drag this thread away from Tune Association*

It was interesting to see Kurt in his interviews/videos being upfront about driving to where he has a wind advantage. Nothing wrong with that tactic within the rules, although personally I think there is something admirable about doing the whole thing minimising motor assistance.

Anyway, I thought I'd have a look at where and how far Kurt is using vehicle transfers. The chart below shows the motorised distances travelled within any riding day:

(http://gicentre.org/oytt/images/kurtNonCycledDistWithin.png)

So far, that's a total of 207 miles (excluding that erroneous 6 mile section of vehicle transfer on the 26th Jan).

If you include transfers between days, the total is much higher at 1590 miles:

(http://gicentre.org/oytt/images/kurtNonCycledDistance.png)

I guess his record so far shows he's probably got that tactic right if it's speed you are optimising, but a difficult one to get right balancing wind forecast, motor vehicle transfer times and tiredness.


 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 07 March, 2015, 02:04:02 pm
This will be costing him big time, let's say at least 40,000 miles of driving through the year and all the hotels, campsites and pizzas  :o
But we have no idea how far his travels will take him.
 Seems to be feeling the cold already even with his slight migration North.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on 07 March, 2015, 02:24:50 pm
Another interesting stat would be to see how much he has managed to ride with a following wind.

I think purely as a guess based on what I have seen on Strava that 90% of his rides follow one distinct direction with the benefit of a following wind.

This is the advantage of cycling in Florida and the US as a whole - you can generally ride 200 miles in any direction without running out of land.

You could do it North/South and vice versa in the UK but I think you'd be hard pressed to avoid a fair bit of climbing. Also our predominantly SW winds don't really work for this.

I don't want this to turn in to an argument about it not being in the spirit of things.

Kurt is riding within the rules and getting the best out of his situation. He really showed to me what a strong rider he is when he did the 12hr TT at Sebring which was a circular route.

ps GO FURTHER STEVE  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 07 March, 2015, 07:21:16 pm
Tarzan skipped the beach road on the way to P-cola.  I believe this was a mistake as he will hit some bigger hills than riders expect to find in this area.  On second thought it being a weekend the beach road might not have been the best bet safety wise.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 March, 2015, 07:37:08 pm
In virtually all respects, they are only competing against one another in the eyes of the beholders on principally this, and possibly a few other forums. UMCA have stated that there will be 2 records - one for older buggers (Kurt) and one for youngsters (Steve). Since UMCA only ratified these rules at the end of last year, Tommy Godwin's record is outside their auspices, even though both Kurt and Steve talk about breaking his record. Tommy was in his mid-20s when he set the record, so under UMCA rules it's impossible for Kurt to break it!   ;D

So far as I understand it, UMCA have set up some rules and are open to claims for the HAMR and even if neither Steve nor Kurt manage >75065, each will be named as the record-holder in his age group.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 07 March, 2015, 09:03:34 pm
And I ask "whats wrong with a little competition?"  You do not understand the inner workings of UMCA.  They operate under the new world concept of everybody gets a trophy.  They make categories broad enough to ensure no ego is deflated.  I believe they will make up a category of persons born between August 23 and 26th riding a yellow bike if that is what it takes to cover everyone.  But do not be misled!  The rider riding the farthest number of miles will have beside his name an asterisk annotating   Overall HAMR record holder or some other way to crown the King. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 March, 2015, 10:40:53 pm
Oh, nothing wrong with competition. I was poking a little fun at UMCA.

On a more important matter, Kurt is now only about 15 miles from the Alabama border. He's still riding, and I reckon it's touch-and-go whether he makes the border by the end of the day.

*revisits his tracker page*

I think he will cross the border tonight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 07 March, 2015, 10:59:13 pm
I'll take that bet.  He is currently overlooking one of the whitest sandy beaches on the planet.  I bet he stays with friends in P-cola and rides the beach again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 March, 2015, 11:12:54 pm
Pensacola - is that the Thinking Man's Diet Coke?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 07 March, 2015, 11:37:58 pm

I think he will cross the border tonight.

My guess is that he'll end his day right on the border- at the Flora-Bama Bar.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on 07 March, 2015, 11:55:42 pm
Pensacola - is that the Thinking Man's Diet Coke?

Sum may cogito that, I couldn't possibly comment.

IGMC
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 12:01:21 am
Tarzan's in Warrington. 'E's a Grand Lad and 'is moother loves him!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 12:19:19 am
He seems to have left Pensacola behind him. Five miles to the state border...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 March, 2015, 01:48:16 am
He looks to have dropped anchor a whisker over the state line.  Presumably Alicia will drive him to the pub ;D

When I was in those parts in 2012 it rained like a fine day in Fort Bill and my car got infested with ants who stayed on board until I was west of the Rockies.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 02:09:57 am
I'll take that bet.  He is currently overlooking one of the whitest sandy beaches on the planet.  I bet he stays with friends in P-cola and rides the beach again tomorrow.

 :smug:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 08 March, 2015, 02:24:33 am
Hmmm hate to ask but what did we bet anyway?   Just found out his bud in P-cola is in N.C.on business  :-[
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 10:34:40 am
A 10 mile naked bike ride, wasn't it? With video evidence, under the auspices of UNCA*.  :D

Although that ought to be 20 because you bet based on inside information... :thumbsup:

*work it out for yourself.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 08 March, 2015, 06:41:50 pm
Kurt seems to have picked a flat bit of road out at the end of Mobile Bay and decided to ride up and down it all day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 March, 2015, 06:55:43 pm
Kurt is going to help me improve my geography of the USA no end. Next up on the scheme of work is the geography of Alabama. This is a bit more of a tricky state because it's almost in 3D, tho the highest point is still less than 750 m above sea level.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 07:23:03 pm
And me. I'd never heard of Pensacola before yesterday. To my surprise, both Mrs. Wow and Dez had. I suppose it must have turned up on some trashy television programme.

Even knowing which states are adjacent to one anther is something I'd struggle with. I can sit down for a few minutes and usually list all the US states on the Sporcle quiz, but it's by no means 100%. Part of the problem is the rectolinear state boundaries. Some of the states (Florida, Texas, California) are pretty clear and obvious shapes, but the Dakotas? They are just random rectangles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 08 March, 2015, 07:23:29 pm
I guess Kurt's biggest problem in Alabama is going to be avoiding drunk rednecks in massive pickup trucks  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
I guess Kurt's biggest problem in Alabama is going to be avoiding drunk rednecks in massive pickup trucks  :P

And the KKK  :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 08 March, 2015, 07:29:56 pm
And me. I'd never heard of Pensacola before yesterday.

All my knowledge of the geography round here comes from watching the news in the hurricane season. I can remember reporters leaning into the wind in Mobile, Gulf Shores, and Pensacola (in the Florida Pan Handle, which is what they call that bit of Florida over in the North West)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 08 March, 2015, 07:48:35 pm
You boys are victims of liberal propaganda and Hollywood.  Kurt is currently riding in a very nice area with beautiful white beaches and blue water.  It's a well known secret known as the redneck Riviera, unfortunately word is leaking out and Northerners are starting to ruin it.  Kurt will have little time in Ala since he will probably cut across the handle then go to Hattiesburg Ms. along bike trails.  I bet he even hops on a portion of the Natchez Trace. A great place to ride this time of year.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 08 March, 2015, 08:03:44 pm
It's a well known secret known as the redneck Riviera, unfortunately word is leaking out
With a name like that, I for one am off to the travel agents tomorrow!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 08:42:34 pm
I have heard of Mobile before, if only for the infantile song about the paucity of well-appointed public conveniences in the town.

As a matter of interest, Tarzan seems to be heading NE back towards the Floridian border.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on 08 March, 2015, 08:44:51 pm
Oh mama!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 08:49:38 pm
Oh mama!

I just googled that with reference to Mobile and found a nine-verse ditty by Mr. Dylan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: offcumden on 08 March, 2015, 09:19:27 pm
I think Tarzan's just been teasing us. He's done a sharp right and looks to be heading back to Florida.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 March, 2015, 10:02:04 pm
Seaside resorts popular with Rednecks, oil refineries and backwoods full of supposed racists with allegedly terrible driving skills. If Steve can cope with Essex, then Kurt should be just fine in Alabama.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 08 March, 2015, 10:04:20 pm
^  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 10:13:10 pm
Seaside resorts popular with Rednecks, oil refineries and backwoods full of supposed racists with allegedly terrible driving skills. If Steve can cope with Essex, then Kurt should be just fine in Alabama.

Chapeau, ESL. POTD!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 March, 2015, 10:27:51 pm
Either Ivan's trackery SCIENCE has got hiccups or Tarzan's having a quiet day ???  "Only" 130 miles at this time of day :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 10:32:50 pm
A few minutes ago it said 154-odd miles. He's back in Florida. Clearly couldn't stand the rednecks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 March, 2015, 10:46:10 pm
http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tarzan.html says 136 miles @22:45 GMT
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 March, 2015, 10:48:47 pm
I was looking at trackleaders.

http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 08 March, 2015, 10:49:59 pm
I'm seeing 157.57 on the year record tracker app at 22:47
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on 08 March, 2015, 10:53:45 pm
Oh mama!

I just googled that with reference to Mobile and found a nine-verse ditty by Mr. Dylan.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 09 March, 2015, 02:46:08 pm
I have my fingers crossed hoping that while Tarzan does his climbing work today he will conquer Britton Hill.  For those not aware Britton Hill is the highest point in Florida.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 09 March, 2015, 03:01:17 pm
I have my fingers crossed hoping that while Tarzan does his climbing work today he will conquer Britton Hill.  For those not aware Britton Hill is the highest point in Florida.

Florida's equivalent of North Hill, Essex?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2015, 03:24:09 pm
North Hill, in spite of it being mighty, is far from being the highest point in Essex. "North" hill, as the name implies, is just the north face of Danbury Hill. It's a mere 355' above sea level.

Langdon Hills, near Basildon, but much of it now in the Thurrock UA area, is 385' above sea level. However, the highest point is very close to the point at which Essex, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire meet, and is 460' up.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idld.srf?X=545272&Y=236032&A=Y&Z=120&lm=1
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 09 March, 2015, 04:01:46 pm
Blimey 460 ft!  Nosebleed territory for you flatlanders :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 09 March, 2015, 04:03:48 pm
That's as high as Skipton in the Aire Gap!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2015, 04:23:52 pm
We don't go up there very often. We like to keep our feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 March, 2015, 04:37:03 pm
Langdon Hills, not to be confused with Laindon Hills (particularly if you are driving/cycling to Laindon Hills, in which case you drive towards Langdon Hills, turn off to Laindon Hills and bear in mind that when in Laindon Hills  you are in Langdon Hills), seems flat until you walk around and realise you have a view.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2015, 04:53:10 pm
The old town is known as Laindon and has been consumed by Basildon. Langdon Hills are at the south end of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 March, 2015, 05:08:47 pm
Langdon Hills was the site of a plotland settlement, essentially the sort of shacks you might see in the American South, but full of cockneys.
http://www.laindonhistory.org.uk/page_id__259.aspx
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2015, 05:29:37 pm
Many of the plotlanders' children would have been taught by my father. He spent 29 years (1947-1976) teaching at the Langdon Hills County Primary School. In his last couple of years the school opened on new premises and changed its name to "Lincewood" but, ironically, the new building was soon full and my dad returned for his final year to his old classroom in the old building with his class of 11-year-olds.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 09 March, 2015, 07:05:15 pm
Blimey 460 ft!  Nosebleed territory for you flatlanders :-)

That's the Elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 10 March, 2015, 06:50:47 am
Another 350km or thereabouts.  He's nailing this at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 March, 2015, 07:11:53 am
Blimey 460 ft!  Nosebleed territory for you flatlanders :-)

That's the Elephant in the room.

There's an Elephant in his room! It's no wonder he spends so much time on his bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 March, 2015, 07:32:34 am
Kurt is doing well. Of course, current conditions are pretty much the best that he will get all year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 March, 2015, 08:21:09 am
Blimey 460 ft!  Nosebleed territory for you flatlanders :-)

That's the Elephant in the room.

There's an Elephant in his room! It's no wonder he spends so much time on his bike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatlander_(short_story)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 10 March, 2015, 12:57:06 pm
Kurt has set off, he's in Alabama, and he's heading Northwards away from Florida.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 March, 2015, 01:10:07 pm
D'ya reckon both of them could be in Birmingham at the same moment?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 10 March, 2015, 01:32:36 pm
He's heading towards Selma, having missed the 50th anniversary 'Bloody Sunday' commemorations by a couple of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on 10 March, 2015, 01:48:01 pm
Roads look to be a little more rolling on street view than Kurt's been used to the last couple of months .
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 10 March, 2015, 02:18:51 pm
Yesterday was day 59 for Kurt which is the equivalent to Steves final day in February.
So you could say after both riders have completed 2 months Kurt is 913 miles ahead.
Kurt has spent 40 hours less on the road.

Yes its not a race, but that fact would get me up earlier each day. :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 March, 2015, 02:55:16 pm
16 miles per day, considering the difference in climatic, topographical and bike aerodynamic conditions is NOT as much as I would have expected.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on 10 March, 2015, 03:54:22 pm
I have a feeling that Kurt will shortly be finding out exactly what he is up against. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 10 March, 2015, 04:19:43 pm
It was apparent on Day 55 what he is up against.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2015, 06:09:46 pm
Those of us who know Steve and his exploits have always known what Kurt is up against. Just don't tell Kurt, OK?

(http://www.theshaymen.net/ipb/public/style_emoticons/default/shh.gif)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 10 March, 2015, 06:48:29 pm
Climbing figures for today will be interesting, the map seems to show this is the hilliest day yet for Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 10 March, 2015, 08:04:49 pm
I await the Strava trolls noting that Kurt is taking unfair advantage because he has increased the amount of down hills on his recent rides.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 10 March, 2015, 08:07:13 pm
Kurt is currenlty near York. I do hope they can both be in a place of the same name at the same time at some point in the year  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 10 March, 2015, 08:10:55 pm
16 miles per day, considering the difference in climatic, topographical and bike aerodynamic conditions is NOT as much as I would have expected.

Too focussed on the distance difference. 

Equally, if not more, important is the time in hand Kurt has to play with because he is quicker than Steve.  That gives him a buffer to use up and ride out Steve's planned increased duration on the bike (and anticipated higher average speed, which at the moment is just jibber-jabber pending it being put down on the road).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 10 March, 2015, 09:11:46 pm
Kurt has more time in hand for driving or repairing the plumbing in the van...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 10 March, 2015, 09:22:34 pm
Steve putting it down on the road enough now for you Hillbilly?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 10 March, 2015, 09:34:28 pm
I await the Strava trolls noting that Kurt is taking unfair advantage because he has increased the amount of down hills on his recent rides.

Then you'll post answers to them on here  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 10 March, 2015, 09:37:59 pm
Kurt is currenlty near York. I do hope they can both be in a place of the same name at the same time at some point in the year  :)

Yes, for a second I got confused at what tracker page I was looking at.
You know, as he cruises up near that border line between Alabama and Mississippi, he's going through some pretty remote areas actually. There ain't much around where he is at the moment.
Bet the roads are quieter too.

Sorry I've got to say something that's irritating me a very little bit: I think Tarzan deserves this thread to be kept for discussions/observations about his attempt - and not so much hing else.
I think we were right to have a new thread each day for Steve [ would be a bit silly for Tarzan though].
It keeps the focus.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 10 March, 2015, 10:06:03 pm
Sorry I've got to say something that's irritating me a very little bit: I think Tarzan deserves this thread to be kept for discussions/observations about his attempt - and not so much hing else.
I think we were right to have a new thread each day for Steve [ would be a bit silly for Tarzan though].
It keeps the focus.  :)

Hear hear!
Poor old Kurt only has one thread.  Let's keep it on topic, folks.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 March, 2015, 10:14:04 pm
Very close to Mississippi now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 10 March, 2015, 10:25:11 pm
Steve putting it down on the road enough now for you Hillbilly?

Not too shabby.  He needs more Crinklycare, it does him good.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on 10 March, 2015, 10:38:39 pm
Kurt is currenlty near York. I do hope they can both be in a place of the same name at the same time at some point in the year  :)

Yes, for a second I got confused at what tracker page I was looking at.
You know, as he cruises up near that border line between Alabama and Mississippi, he's going through some pretty remote areas actually. There ain't much around where he is at the moment.
Bet the roads are quieter too.

Sorry I've got to say something that's irritating me a very little bit: I think Tarzan deserves this thread to be kept for discussions/observations about his attempt - and not so much hing else.
I think we were right to have a new thread each day for Steve [ would be a bit silly for Tarzan though].
It keeps the focus.  :)

He's visited Inverness a few times - closer to me than Steve's managed ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Revellinho on 10 March, 2015, 10:39:22 pm
Just had a look at the Google Streetview of the roads over there, heading for Aliceville.  If there is any amount of traffic, riding on 'the strip' at the side of the road does not look like it's much to write home about.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 March, 2015, 10:45:37 pm
Looks like Missississississippi didn't appeal.  Must be bad if he's heading for Mordor AL instead.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on 10 March, 2015, 10:48:18 pm
Equally, if not more, important is the time in hand Kurt has to play with because he is quicker than Steve.

I think this is right.  Kurt has time in hand, and if he's "following steve and a wee bit more" theres no reason to think that he won't do the same on time as he may or may not be doing on miles.
Steve has the pedigree and (early days still) shown that he can step his plan up to the next level: Still no sign of any panic reaction to the miles he's trailing tarzan, just seems he's in control and following his plan. 
Kurt must have the pedigree too, given what he's achieved, he's less well known to us yacf'rs.   Stuff like "kurt must now realise what he's up against" sounds daft.  *If* he was ever in doubt in 2014, by the time he started on Jan 10th he knew.

Go Steve. You can have my 20 miles from today if it helps.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 10 March, 2015, 10:52:10 pm
I'm sure it has been said before, but Steve is not racing Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 10 March, 2015, 11:21:38 pm
Looks like Missississississippi didn't appeal.

Looks like it could well do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2015, 11:39:09 pm
He's approaching a bridge now. That is one hell of a lot of water.

https://goo.gl/maps/7mCMA

Edit: the big tease! He went right and stayed in Alabama.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 10 March, 2015, 11:54:45 pm
Looks like Alicia could well be parked up in Columbus.

I see from the map there's a University for Women in Columbus (http://www.muw.edu/about-muw).
Well there's an interesting thing. Looks as though it offers education for both men and women these days, but didn't originally, by a quick look at the web-site (http://www.muw.edu/about-muw/our-history). Might have to have another look at that tomorrow. Tarzan, my old fruit, you're introducing us to new aspects of American Life along the way.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 10 March, 2015, 11:59:40 pm
He's approaching a bridge now. That is one hell of a lot of water.

https://goo.gl/maps/7mCMA

Wouldn't take much to fall into it either after a few !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 12:17:24 am
Might be planning a play on the Natchez Trace Parkway tomorrow.  Or going to Furryboottoon MI.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 March, 2015, 12:44:12 am
He's approaching a bridge now. That is one hell of a lot of water.

https://goo.gl/maps/7mCMA

Edit: the big tease! He went right and stayed in Alabama.

Its pronounced "Alibammi".

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 March, 2015, 12:53:01 am
http://autoplusraceway.com/apcm/templates/tickets.asp?articleid=56677&zoneid=68&navsource=tickets

There's a motor race event in northern Florida this weekend.

He'd better steer clear. It attracts pistonheads and Hell's angels.

Note the small print.
"No glass, alcohol or weapons will be permitted."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on 11 March, 2015, 06:33:49 am
Looks like he has left the rough biker gangs behind.  But he's probably got enough on his plate with Alabarmy rednecks.

Yesterday was interesting.  It was almost like Steve and Kurt swapped their normal routes.  Steve was flat and fast.  Kurt bumpy and not so fast.  Possibly a useful "calibration" of both that allows a modicum of comparison against recent past rides.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 07:42:06 am
Looks like somebody flagged Tarzan's 10th March ride on Strava.

Looking at the analysis tab, I wonder if it's to do with the section between ~89 and 100 miles where he's averaging 20 mph (in common with most of the ride) but his heart rate drops sharply to an average of 38 bpm?  The road there is predominantly downhill (Selection     11.3 mi     -89 ft     -0.1%     33:35), but much less so than e.g. ~125 - ~137 miles (Selection     13.2 mi     -282 ft     -0.4%     37:30) over which section his heart rate averages 102 bpm.

Does Strava hide segments for a flagged ride?  I think it must because if not, then he's found 200 miles of US road with absolutely no strava segments!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 11 March, 2015, 07:52:22 am
Garmin has his heart rate at 0 for 3 points in the ride https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/716696361/share/0?lang=en


Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 11 March, 2015, 07:54:58 am
Looks like I might have a trip to North Carolina in August/September.  So maybe I will get the chance to ride with both Teethgrinder and Tarzan this year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on 11 March, 2015, 07:55:39 am
I often have interface issues with my Garmin HRM when it underreads or stops reading altogether when the connection to my skin isn't great (being female does not help with HRM positioning anyway) so perhaps this is what happened. If he's not sweating at all and doing a downhill then maybe his skin is too dry to give a good reading.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 08:01:38 am
Some pictures that will help with interpretation of my post above (clicky for bigness!).

Overall view

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_01.PNG) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_01.PNG)

Zoom on anomalous section

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_02.PNG) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_02.PNG)

Zoom on comparison section

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_03.PNG) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/oytt/Kurt10Mar_03.PNG)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 11 March, 2015, 08:14:31 am
Hope this gets resolved.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 08:20:55 am
The ride from the 26 Jan is still flagged on Strava because ofthe motorised transfer section, but that hasn't stopped the UMCA including it (I think, now, they might have discounted the motorised section, although the reports I read so far are conflicting on the subject and I haven't checked for myself yet. ETA: I checked it just now and the "official graph" (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/) shows 175.9 miles for that day compared to 181.9 in Strava and Hoppo's sheet, so it looks like they have discounted the transfer)

It will stop it from showing up in Kurt's monthly MTS stats etc. though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 11 March, 2015, 08:29:49 am
I hope he's not a 'cling-on'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jonas L on 11 March, 2015, 09:21:09 am
I hope he's not a 'cling-on'.

As opposed to a 'gibb-on'?

Yesterday also had a section where the HR looks rather strange. My interpretation is that it's a problem with the HR belt. If this section would be "normal" the average HR would be well above 100.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/716696361/share/0?lang=en

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 09:23:44 am
That's precisely the section referred to above.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jonas L on 11 March, 2015, 09:39:39 am
Yes, my bad.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 10:19:44 am
I think you and Auntie Helen may be onto something with the HR strap problem theory.  I can't think of any other explanation that fits with the apparent topography (at least according to the Strava elevation profile).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 11 March, 2015, 10:22:59 am
Didn't he have a problem with his HR strap in the first couple of weeks of the challenge?  It's more likely to be this than anything underhand, I would have thought.  Mine sometimes records odd data, particularly when the contact points dry out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Clemo on 11 March, 2015, 10:26:20 am
I wonder if the battery is on its way out?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 11 March, 2015, 10:45:27 am
Didn't he have a problem with his HR strap in the first couple of weeks of the challenge?  It's more likely to be this than anything underhand, I would have thought.  Mine sometimes records odd data, particularly when the contact points dry out.

I recall hitting 250bpm on mine up the (Main Street) hill out of Ashbourne. I was a little confused at the time because I was stood still astride the bike........until I realised that the HRM was in synch with the beeping of the Pelican Crossing I was stood next to   :facepalm:  A few moments later I recorded zero for a hundred yards or so. Reason unknown, but at least the ticker was still working.

This kit is not infallible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 10:48:17 am
My old-skool analogue signal strap/watch would routinely record 200+ when I was in the passenger seat of the car on the way to the gym with mrs_o.

The new BLE / Ant+ strap doesn't pick up that interference.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 11 March, 2015, 10:56:00 am
Yesterday was interesting.  It was almost like Steve and Kurt swapped their normal routes.  Steve was flat and fast.  Kurt bumpy and not so fast.  Possibly a useful "calibration" of both that allows a modicum of comparison against recent past rides.

195 miles @19.6mph with 6200 ft of climbing seems pretty fast to me.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on 11 March, 2015, 11:09:33 am
My old-skool analogue signal strap/watch would routinely record 200+ when I was in the passenger seat of the car on the way to the gym with mrs_o.

The new BLE / Ant+ strap doesn't pick up that interference.

Polar HRM's were (and maybe still are) useless in the electromagnetic field inside cars.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on 11 March, 2015, 11:19:34 am
Polar HRM's were (and maybe still are) useless in the electromagnetic field inside cars.

...and only then until the battery first needed changing. After that, Pfffftt!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 March, 2015, 11:33:03 am
My old-skool analogue signal strap/watch would routinely record 200+ when I was in the passenger seat of the car on the way to the gym with mrs_o.

But that would be lurve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 11:33:21 am
I had an HRM which used to get mad in the presence of those all-singing all-dancing Polar speedo/cadence/HR jobs.  As one of my main race rivals had one it was a PITA >:(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 11 March, 2015, 01:22:03 pm
And he's off.  From further west in Mississippi. Homeward bound? 

Looks like they drove past Winona last night, so he missed the chance to be a Winona rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 11 March, 2015, 01:56:57 pm
I often have interface issues with my Garmin HRM when it underreads or stops reading altogether when the connection to my skin isn't great (being female does not help with HRM positioning anyway) so perhaps this is what happened. If he's not sweating at all and doing a downhill then maybe his skin is too dry to give a good reading.

+1

The ANT+ wireless link seems to be pleasingly robust (far more so than cheapo HRMs I've used in the past), but it's all too easy for something to go wrong with the strap pads.  Obviously they only work if you're sweating (which for me means everything after the first 1km, but I'm sure less sweaty people working at relatively low effort are going to have problems).  Bras get in the way (presumably not an issue for Kurt), and shuffling about in a recumbent seat can cause the strap to migrate.

An intermittent contact very often seems to give a reading of about half my true heartrate for some reason.  38 seems very low for a resting heartrate, so I'm going to say instrumentation failure, rather than sitting in a vehicle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 11 March, 2015, 01:57:55 pm
Tarzan's route selections have me totally befuddled.  Since leaving south Florida he has opted to bypass lots of  cycle friendly routes for lesser routes.  The only constant appears to be  tail winds (http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)).  I'm guessing today he simply opted to drive through a weather front and put down where ever that happened to end and then started riding south?  Who knows, but you got to give him credit  its a true seat of your pants operation. Go Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 11 March, 2015, 02:32:16 pm
Looking at the texture on the area he just drove across, I'd suspect that he's avoiding a 'mighty mountain range', rather than a weather front. Yesterday, his route wended its way amongst crinkly bits (yet still climbed a moderate amount), and today he's leapt the wrinkles and is back on non-textured map.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 02:57:36 pm
Gonna get up in the mornin'
Hit that Highway 49

But only briefly.

My limited experience of Missississississippi is that it is really quite flat, and often under water.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on 11 March, 2015, 03:30:19 pm
Tarzan's route selections have me totally befuddled.  Since leaving south Florida he has opted to bypass lots of  cycle friendly routes for lesser routes.  The only constant appears to be  tail winds (http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)).  I'm guessing today he simply opted to drive through a weather front and put down where ever that happened to end and then started riding south?  Who knows, but you got to give him credit  its a true seat of your pants operation. Go Tarzan!

Kurt has avoided the Mississippi hill country and is now riding on the flatlands of the Mississippi Delta.

Sensible options for crossing the Mississippi into Arkansas are limited to West Helena or Greenville or he could ride as far south as Natchez to cross into Louisiana before riding north. Given his current route and that Strava gives Kurt's home town as Sheridan AR, my guess is that he will cross the river at Greenville.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 11 March, 2015, 03:31:50 pm
So he's heading away from the heat of Florida, into the pan-handle just in time for Tornado Season. He likes it Full On, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on 11 March, 2015, 03:36:12 pm
Looks like I might have a trip to North Carolina in August/September.  So maybe I will get the chance to ride with both Teethgrinder and Tarzan this year.

Don't tell Hoppo, I think he's quite proud of being the only person to ride with both of them so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 03:38:23 pm
There are at least ten panhandles in USAnia so he's got plenty to choose from.  My preference would be for the Detective Sergeant Panhandle (L):

(http://www.crackertv.co.uk/photogallery/ColtraneSomerville/robger2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 11 March, 2015, 03:39:40 pm
<SNIP>Given his current route and that Strava gives Kurt's home town as Sheridan AR, my guess is that he will cross the river at Greenville.

Add in that the Spot tracker is showing about 40 miles so far, and that it's about 150 miles from there to Sheridan, it looks as if he's heading for home tonight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on 11 March, 2015, 03:40:48 pm
I've now got Mississippi Blues as recorded by Willie Brown in my head. This is not a bad thing though.

So Kurt's goin' down to the delta.. but I doubt he'll be drinking white lightnin' and gambling....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 11 March, 2015, 04:37:26 pm
Yesterday, his route wended its way amongst crinkly bits (yet still climbed a moderate amount), and today he's leapt the wrinkles and is back on non-textured map.

OK, fess up. Who has been feeding him CAIK?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: teethgrinder on 11 March, 2015, 04:40:33 pm
A bit snookered with the SE wind.
A choice between hillier roads or flat, exposed roads.
I went to the edge of the Chiltern and waited for a tailwind to pick up.
Right turns because it made better use of more sheltered roads into the wind.
Treating today as a fun day so mileage will be lower.
The pub I stopped at in Quainton has a very good cafe attached.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on 11 March, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
So much for keeping this thread on topic... Good luck TG!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on 11 March, 2015, 05:09:20 pm
Well done Steve! 

<Wonders if the TG endorsed cafe is at the Swan & Castle or George and Dragon> 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 11 March, 2015, 05:14:11 pm
I think the George and Dragon is where Steve stopped, up to the resolution of the Spot tracker, anyway.  They have a cafe according to the website.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 11 March, 2015, 05:32:49 pm
The pub I stopped at in Quainton has a very good cafe attached.

I hope they get a delivery of fresh supplies before we pass through on the LOL 200 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 11 March, 2015, 08:07:29 pm
I think I've discovered why Kurt had to leave Florida. Click here and scroll to the bottom. (http://www.theguardian.com/law/shortcuts/2015/mar/11/drugs-prostitution-accidental-legislation)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on 11 March, 2015, 08:33:05 pm
Latest video shows Kurt facing some Rain.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: αdαmsκι on 11 March, 2015, 08:37:31 pm
Kurt is going to help me improve my geography of the USA no end. Next up on the scheme of work is the geography of Alabama. This is a bit more of a tricky state because it's almost in 3D, tho the highest point is still less than 750 m above sea level.

The Arkansas - Mississippi border wonders away from the Mississippi River quite a bit from the river, which seems odd. However, looking more closely made me see the border passes through some oxbow lakes, so I'm guessing the current border traces the route of the Mississippi River from a time before the river was straighten. Quite fascinating from a geography geek point of view.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 11 March, 2015, 08:42:44 pm
Latest video shows Kurt facing some Rain.
He managed 194 according to his gps - although the video mentioned a shuttle, dunno why.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 March, 2015, 08:44:50 pm
You can actually ski in Alabama, artificial snow usually, but it's often cold enough. http://www.cloudmont.com
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 11 March, 2015, 09:04:35 pm
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on 11 March, 2015, 09:29:41 pm
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average.

Not bad for a 200lb 51 year old man...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on 11 March, 2015, 09:37:05 pm
Here we are, 30% into March, and these guys are churning it out in their respective turfs, each in their own way. Incredible.

Obviously I have a soft spot for Steve - he's an AUK. But I kinda like Tarzan too.

The better athlete, with the better plan, will out. It's just the best show. Better than any telly you can buy  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 11 March, 2015, 09:41:33 pm
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average.

Not bad for a 200lb 51 year old man...

Being a Brit, I support Steve, not just because I am a Brit but because of his interest, dreams and endeavours he's set this whole thing in motion. And also because I am a Brit  :)

But being a 56 yr old, I feel, for obvious reasons, a lot closer to Kurt than I do Steve. What's he's doing as a 50 yr old should be in inspiration to us all older farts, not because we want to cycle 200miles a day, because I most definitely do not, but because, if you want to do something, age should never be the ultimate inhibiting factor. Age is, by it's reality, inhibiting, but it should never be a reason never to have a crack at things. Kurt brings a lot of that to the party.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 09:50:56 pm
Kurt is going to help me improve my geography of the USA no end. Next up on the scheme of work is the geography of Alabama. This is a bit more of a tricky state because it's almost in 3D, tho the highest point is still less than 750 m above sea level.

The Arkansas - Mississippi border wonders away from the Mississippi River quite a bit from the river, which seems odd. However, looking more closely made me see the border passes through some oxbow lakes, so I'm guessing the current border traces the route of the Mississippi River from a time before the river was straighten. Quite fascinating from a geography geek point of view.

Found myself looking at state lines in that area on the map while reading the novels of Greg Iles; there are a number of little bits of Louisiana east of the river and likewise of Mississippi on the west.  It seems that, before the White Man started faffing with the course of the Mississippi, tracing its headwaters back to the furthest point up the Missouri river side of things gave a longer river than either the Nile or the Amazon.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 11 March, 2015, 10:06:56 pm
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average.

I've never questioned Kurt's ability but I do question your idea of what constitutes "plenty of hills" - 1,901m of ascent over 313km really is not a lot of climbing. More rolling than Florida for sure but far from hilly.

The amazing thing is that Steve managed to do even less climbing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 11 March, 2015, 10:20:11 pm
Kurt ain't no ordinary bus shelter man. He doesn't do them in a hurry. As he said himself "I don't do sleep dep".
Whereas Steve's middle name is 'sleep dep'. Kurt is more of a time trialist, and, on average, a faster cyclist than Steve.
But he don't do sleep dep, and so will always be looking to crack out is miles in good time...and by implication, good conditions too, because the two go together. Conditions are extremely important to both of them, but I get the feeling they're more important to Kurt, mainly because, he's not looking to do the bus shelter thing, at least not in a hurry! The question is, how far can Steve go into sleep dep? It's going to be a huge ask, looking at his schedule beggars belief. Staying with hosts is going to seem more more like a quick F1 pit stop with the passing of each and every week.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 06:25:22 am
Headwinds, rain and a broken brake cable: 176miles. I think that proves
 your point
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 12 March, 2015, 06:39:36 am
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 06:43:33 am
I'm going by his garmin uploads to Facebook.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 06:53:50 am
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
186.7, according to the official spreadsheet (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php): 152.6+34.1.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 March, 2015, 07:08:43 am
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average.

Not bad for a 200lb 51 year old man...

A mere youngster.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: srw on 12 March, 2015, 07:31:12 am
The question is, how far can Steve go into sleep dep? It's going to be a huge ask, looking at his schedule beggars belief. Staying with hosts is going to seem more more like a quick F1 pit stop with the passing of each and every week.
The details are buried in the mists of another, defunct, forum, but my memory is a very long way indeed.

IIRC, when he did his 408 audax points in a year (which, allowing for over distance, translates as about 45,000km, or 900km per week) he frequently did three overnight rides per week. He was working full time in a warehouse - a physically active job - and made up the miles by doing a couple of 200km overnighters during the week, and a third, properly long ride at the weekend. All of that was done without any kind of home or admin support of the sort he's getting now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 07:31:59 am
Those who have been questioning Kurts ability to ride in non-perfect conditions might note his ride yesterday had plenty of hills and rain yet  he still maintained a 19+ average.

Not bad for a 200lb 51 year old man...

A mere youngster.
And a lightweight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 08:19:01 am
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
186.7, according to the official spreadsheet (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php): 152.6+34.1.
This does not add up up.

His own page says 142.1 plus 34.02. Alicia Snyder called it ".. 170miles plus". His Strava activity has a weird bit in the middle.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 12 March, 2015, 08:31:56 am
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
186.7, according to the official spreadsheet (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php): 152.6+34.1.
This does not add up up.

His own page says 142.1 plus 34.02. Alicia Snyder called it ".. 170miles plus". His Strava activity has a weird bit in the middle.

I see what you mean.  Strava for Kurt's first 11th March ride shows a total of 152.6, but with an odd ~10 mile jump from 62 to 72 miles.  The track on Garmin Connect has the same 10 mile teleport, but doesn't include it in the total, so it reads 142.1.

We'll have to wait and see which total the UMCA decide to use.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 12 March, 2015, 08:37:19 am
I don't understand why Kurt seems to still have so many technological issues.   Steve has non as far as I can tell.

What is Kurt doing, right or wrong to make this happen?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 12 March, 2015, 08:43:24 am
I don't understand why Kurt seems to still have so many technological issues.   Steve has non as far as I can tell.

What is Kurt doing, right or wrong to make this happen?

Steve is on new bikes, They are being rotated and serviced. Kurt is riding old bikes and servicing them as and when needed (When something breaks). Add on to this the fact that Kurt, by riding much faster is putting a lot more stress / strain on the bike and we are seeing the results. I would even question whether Kurt had his bikes serviced before the start. With Kurts M.O. for the year, I would expect plenty more minor mechanicals throughout the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 08:47:13 am
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
186.7, according to the official spreadsheet (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php): 152.6+34.1.
This does not add up up.

His own page says 142.1 plus 34.02. Alicia Snyder called it ".. 170miles plus". His Strava activity has a weird bit in the middle.

I see what you mean.  Strava for Kurt's first 11th March ride shows a total of 152.6, but with an odd ~10 mile jump from 62 to 72 miles.  The track on Garmin Connect has the same 10 mile teleport, but doesn't include it in the total, so it reads 142.1.

We'll have to wait and see which total the UMCA decide to use.
If it is the higher one, I feel I need to challenge it (although that makes me feel ick).
Kurt has reported a vehicle transfer (which seems to be correctly reported) plus getting on the van to switch a tyre. His own uploads and supporters statements suggest a 10mile lower total for the day.

I strongly suspect that he got on the van to go to a bike shop for spares, switched off one device but forgot to switch off another.

For a guy who runs a software company, he is struggling to manage devices with blinkenlights.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 12 March, 2015, 09:01:29 am
It's partly user, partly Strava error.  He obviously is pausing his device when hopping onto the van, rather than ending the ride & starting a new one when he starts again.  While Garmin doesn't join up the dots between the pause & restart, Strava does, so adds 10 mile straight line onto the route & into the total.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 09:29:28 am
It's partly user, partly Strava error.  He obviously is pausing his device when hopping onto the van, rather than ending the ride & starting a new one when he starts again.  While Garmin doesn't join up the dots between the pause & restart, Strava does, so adds 10 mile straight line onto the route & into the total.
Thanks for that explanation. That's obviously what has happened here. Zooming in on his strava map, there is a straight line segment that crosses rivers, flies over an island and sandbanks.

Prior to knowing this I put a polite query on his facebook page. Going by that page, I'm not sure that either Kurt or Alicia are aware than an extra 10miles has snuck in.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 12 March, 2015, 09:33:36 am
It's partly user, partly Strava error.  He obviously is pausing his device when hopping onto the van, rather than ending the ride & starting a new one when he starts again.  While Garmin doesn't join up the dots between the pause & restart, Strava does, so adds 10 mile straight line onto the route & into the total.
Thanks for that explanation. That's obviously what has happened here. Zooming in on his strava map, there is a straight line segment that crosses rivers, flies over an island and sandbanks.

Prior to knowing this I put a polite query on his facebook page. Going by that page, I'm not sure that either Kurt or Alicia are aware than an extra 10miles has snuck in.

Kurt's not doing himself any favours by failing to get to grips with the technology. I don't get the impression he's in any way trying to claim  unridden miles, but unless he learns to use the GPS kit properly there'll always be questions which unfortunately may overshadow his cycling achievement.

Basically, Kurt and Alicia need to TTFU (tech the f**k up) :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 March, 2015, 09:51:00 am
Like maybe have a big sheet of paper stuck to one of the van's windows reading "Turn that noise down Stuff off!" in 72-point bold Comic Sans (the Font of Champions) :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 12 March, 2015, 09:55:26 am
I don't understand why Kurt seems to still have so many technological issues.   Steve has non as far as I can tell.

What is Kurt doing, right or wrong to make this happen?

Steve is on new bikes, They are being rotated and serviced. Kurt is riding old bikes and servicing them as and when needed (When something breaks). Add on to this the fact that Kurt, by riding much faster is putting a lot more stress / strain on the bike and we are seeing the results. I would even question whether Kurt had his bikes serviced before the start. With Kurts M.O. for the year, I would expect plenty more minor mechanicals throughout the year.

I was actually thinking about the tracking with Strava etc.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew_s on 12 March, 2015, 09:58:19 am
I don't understand why Kurt seems to still have so many technological issues.   Steve has non as far as I can tell.
Steve's modus operandi is much simpler. He's had no vehicle transfers, and starts from where he finished the previous night, so everything logged by his Gamins is riding miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 12 March, 2015, 11:35:19 am
Team are aware of the problem and are addressing it both to Kurt/Alicia and direct to UMCA
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 March, 2015, 12:07:39 pm
Golden rules for large projects.

K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid.

P.P.P.P.P.P. Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance.


Steve 1 – 0 Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 12 March, 2015, 12:15:09 pm
Quote
Kurt's not doing himself any favours by failing to get to grips with the technology. I don't get the impression he's in any way trying to claim  unridden miles, but unless he learns to use the GPS kit properly there'll always be questions which unfortunately may overshadow his cycling achievement.

Basically, Kurt and Alicia need to TTFU (tech the f**k up) :)

Feel that's a bit unfair, he obviously stopped his garmin then did the transfer. Then started it again when he carried on riding. To him the numbers look right on the unit he's looking at and Garmin connect is clever enough to spot the stop. Strava causes the problems by trying to join the dots for any stop period.
He could get round this by saving the file at every stop, but why should he end up with several files to download each day just to satisfy Strava, which I believe is not a UMCA requirement.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on 12 March, 2015, 12:24:17 pm
If he can stop the Garmin surely he can stop Strava too?   I only made the Strava error once.

Golden rules for large projects.

K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid.

P.P.P.P.P.P. Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance.


Steve 1 – 0 Kurt.


Er, Steve 2 - 0 Kurt.   :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 March, 2015, 12:32:07 pm
Steve doesn't have vehicle transfers, so it has made the whole issue a lot simpler for him.  In Tarzan's defence, if I think about my mental state at some controls, its not focused on pushing buttons on my cycle computer.   It will be even more difficult if stressed by a mechanical.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on 12 March, 2015, 12:35:17 pm
 ;D have you seen Steve in the morning, far from simple.
Mount, plug in and start 3 separate Garmin devices, and the spot tracker,  Tommy G would be smiling at that I reckon.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 March, 2015, 12:37:22 pm
If Kurt is going to take motorised transport half way through a day, he’s got to live with the inconvenience of correctly logging and offering each cycling distance separately to make it as easy as possible for the judges to understand what he’s done.

Is there a rule which forbids two sorties to be conducted with the same date?

If he persists in confusing the judges by offering ‘patched-up’ files, he’ll be disqualified for ‘Unsportsmanlike conduct’. ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 March, 2015, 12:41:52 pm
;D have you seen Steve in the morning, far from simple.
Mount, plug in and start 3 separate Garmin devices, and the spot tracker,  Tommy G would be smiling at that I reckon.

Any series of tasks is made simple by having a procedure and practicing it beforehand. Writing a 'check list' and carrying it for reference.

Rehearsals, in effect. Steve would have done a lot last year. 'Crib sheet'. He will have one of these.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 01:06:39 pm
I posted these points a couple of months ago and nothing has happened to make me change my mind. I still think that Kurt's (relatively) last-minute decision to take part in this event left him under-prepared. Indeed, I'll go further. I reckon Kurt's competitive cycling normally relies on a lot of other people: those who organise long-distance races and ensure that the rules are applied and also well-equipped support teams. Alicia is doing a great job driving him about and looking after his food, but it seemed that he had to take time out for visiting bike shops.

To get the kind of support that is required needs either a lot of cash or a lot of goodwill. Steve has a huge amount of the latter, quite simply because loads of people have ridden with him and he has been prepared to give people, effectively, free hands-on courses in long-distance cycling. That also seems to have generated sufficient of the former to get him by, with a bit to spare.

Obviously, my only knowledge of Kurt is from his participation in this event, but he has clearly cultivated an "elite" image. That's not, in my view, going to get people to put themselves out for you. I doubt very much that Kurt's racing schedule allows him the time to ride with the ordinary, and less ordinary, folk who make up Steve's wide-ranging support network.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 12 March, 2015, 01:38:18 pm
^^^^ +1 on that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 12 March, 2015, 01:46:44 pm
Quote
Kurt's not doing himself any favours by failing to get to grips with the technology.

Feel that's a bit unfair, he obviously stopped his garmin then did the transfer. Then started it again when he carried on riding. To him the numbers look right on the unit he's looking at and Garmin connect is clever enough to spot the stop. Strava causes the problems by trying to join the dots for any stop period.
He could get round this by saving the file at every stop, but why should he end up with several files to download each day just to satisfy Strava, which I believe is not a UMCA requirement.

I agree this is an irritating flaw in Strava (I often want to record rides with a train journey in the middle, which means either remembering to save the tracks, or mucking about editing the GPX files afterwards).  It's exacerbated by Strava's duplicate-detection thwarting attempts to upload a ride n times, truncating different parts of each upload.

On the other hand, Strava is part of his toolchain (as dictated by the UMCA, AIUI), so familiarisation with how it works is every bit as important for the record as operating the GPS unit or riding the bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 02:07:41 pm
I see he has transported himself to Little Rock, or close. No cigar, I hope. :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on 12 March, 2015, 02:44:00 pm
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On the other hand, Strava is part of his toolchain (as dictated by the UMCA, AIUI),
I don't think it is - rides just need to be submitted to UMCA - there hasn't been any dictating that it has to be posted on Strava.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 02:53:54 pm
If strava is not part of the official toolchain, then why is it that (incorrect) distances from Strava have ended up on the Official Mileage Chart?

Kurt has been very open and public about his routes and Garmin track mileages (they are on FB every day for those that are interested). The issue really isn't his honesty, it's about using the technology.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 12 March, 2015, 03:05:38 pm
If Kurt is going to take motorised transport half way through a day, he’s got to live with the inconvenience of correctly logging and offering each cycling distance separately to make it as easy as possible for the judges to understand what he’s done.

This is my feeling too. I don't even see that it's much of an inconvenience - when you stop, you press the stop button and hit 'Save' to end the track. Then press start when you start riding again to start a new track. And surely it doesn't take any more effort to upload two rides than to upload one?

I can understand why he might want to record a day's riding as a single track, but if you stop in one place and restart in another place 10 miles away, that's two separate rides in my book.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 12 March, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
Are we seeing a rest day today? 33 miles by 11AM isn't Kurt's normal pace.

I expect he's had a lot of post to open after over 2 months away from home.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 12 March, 2015, 03:12:27 pm
under-prepared......  normally relies on a lot of other people:....... he had to take time out for visiting bike shops...........

May I suggest you have severely underestimated the advantage of individualism and self sufficiency.  Tarzan doesn't need the new bikes or someone else to recharge his GPS, nor to tuck him in bed every night.  As helter skelter as it may appear his method has him almost 1000 miles ahead  during the first two months.  Tarzan is doing just fine.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 12 March, 2015, 03:20:58 pm
Are we seeing a rest day today? 33 miles by 11AM isn't Kurt's normal pace.

I expect he's had a lot of post to open after over 2 months away from home.

It's only 10:20 in Little Rock by my reckoning. Forecast for this evening: "Strong thunderstorms."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 12 March, 2015, 03:27:17 pm
I thought it was a 4 hour time difference at the moment?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on 12 March, 2015, 03:29:22 pm
I make it 187 miles for the day - he had a vehicle transfer to Arkansas and put in late day 30 miler after his main ride.
186.7, according to the official spreadsheet (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/details.php): 152.6+34.1.
This does not add up up.

His own page says 142.1 plus 34.02. Alicia Snyder called it ".. 170miles plus". His Strava activity has a weird bit in the middle.

I see what you mean.  Strava for Kurt's first 11th March ride shows a total of 152.6, but with an odd ~10 mile jump from 62 to 72 miles.  The track on Garmin Connect has the same 10 mile teleport, but doesn't include it in the total, so it reads 142.1.

We'll have to wait and see which total the UMCA decide to use.

Well, the UMCA "leader board" (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/index.html) and "spreadsheet" (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php) pages are using the Strava figure, giving him 186.7 for 11 March instead of 176.1  :-\

Of course, neither of those are the official results.  Those are published here (http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/official_results/), but are only updated to 4th March as things stand at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 12 March, 2015, 03:29:47 pm
It's five again now: he changed timezones within the US. It'll be six when the UK moves to summer time in a couple of weeks from now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 03:39:09 pm
under-prepared......  normally relies on a lot of other people:....... he had to take time out for visiting bike shops...........

May I suggest you have severely underestimated the advantage of individualism and self sufficiency.  Tarzan doesn't need the new bikes or someone else to recharge his GPS, nor to tuck him in bed every night.  As helter skelter as it may appear his method has him almost 1000 miles ahead  during the first two months.  Tarzan is doing just fine.
Maybe, maybe not. The real target isn't what Steve does, it's Tommy's total. OK, he's over 2000 miles ahead of Tommy at the same stage, but as we have been saying ad nauseam, he has had perfect riding conditions and a lot more daylight than either Tommy or Steve has had. Also, he knows what he has to beat. Tommy didn't know, I'm sure, that he was going to have such a fantastic 6 months between May and October. Steve and Kurt know that they have to build a buffer because it's going to be incredibly difficult to keep up with Tommy at the same stage.

Take a look at the past week. Steve has had the best weather of the year so far and Kurt's has taken a turn for the worse, combined with his transition from Florida to Arkansas. For the first time in the year, Steve has ridden more miles in a week than Kurt. Even though Steve has increased his miles, the past week's figures, if repeated until December, would see him fall short of the target, and for Kurt it would be touch and go.

It's such a massive challenge that maintaining the required rate is still going to be incredibly difficult. We know that Kurt, when at his best, can knock out 220 mile days with apparent ease. It's what happens when things are not going so well that matters, and that is all uncharted territory.

Fascinating stuff, giving us the opportunity for endless speculation. Great, isn't it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 12 March, 2015, 03:42:26 pm
It's five again now: he changed timezones within the US. It'll be six when the UK moves to summer time in a couple of weeks from now.

 :facepalm: Doh.

I never realised that US timezones bisect some states. There must be people who cross timezones to go to work.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 04:02:29 pm
under-prepared......  normally relies on a lot of other people:....... he had to take time out for visiting bike shops...........

May I suggest you have severely underestimated the advantage of individualism and self sufficiency.  Tarzan doesn't need the new bikes or someone else to recharge his GPS, nor to tuck him in bed every night.  As helter skelter as it may appear his method has him almost 1000 miles ahead  during the first two months.  Tarzan is doing just fine.
No, you are right. Tarzan doesn't have someone following him in a camper van to recharge his GPS, tuck him into bed, cook for him. Oh, wait, he does.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 04:09:00 pm
under-prepared......  normally relies on a lot of other people:....... he had to take time out for visiting bike shops...........

May I suggest you have severely underestimated the advantage of individualism and self sufficiency.

I'd have thought that those qualities are a distinct disadvantage with a challenge like this.
Whether you choose the road of three new bikes or the road of old bikes that break and need bike shops to fix them, one thing is for sure - you need support, and you need bucket loads of it.

And as for Steve being tucked up in bed, well.....not sure he's alone on that front either.

Tommy Goodwin had support up and down the country. With so many miles being ridden, there is little time for much else. Without it, I don't think anybody would have a cat in hells chance to be honest.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on 12 March, 2015, 04:13:19 pm
Steve's effort does seem more of an amateur audax community effort, and on a shoestring budget. Tarzan's effort although self financed seems to have bigger budgets. e.g. In one of the webpages it was written that a crew chief was "hired". Hired implies payment, which in the UK means professional. As people like to support the underdog, for the man on the street, they'll always support the amateur over the professional.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 March, 2015, 05:07:57 pm
I wonder what the amateur year record is? Tommy was never allowed to ride as amateur again, following his professional year ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 12 March, 2015, 05:27:31 pm
With so many miles being ridden, there is little time for much else. Without it, I don't think anybody would have a cat in hells chance to be honest.

When accounting for the lack of preparation, inferior equipment, lack of lodging, age, home turf knowledge, and 50 person support team one has to marvel at the fact that the two person Tarzan team isn't farther behind than they are.
The reason is obvious to some of us though. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 05:55:35 pm
No-one is doubting Tarzan's ability as a cyclist. His website tells you all you need to know about his achievements and anyone who can knock up consecutive 200 mile days is clearly very exceptional. However, he is still behind the overall asking rate despite the very good riding conditions in Florida in Jan and Feb.

We know Steve plans to increase his output with the longer days and better weather and he's stuck to his plan - or slightly ahead of it - throughout the first 70 days of this challenge. Kurt hasn't. He published a plan of 6 "long" days followed by a short one and has manifestly failed to follow it. I initially thought that this was him being deliberately misleading, but I don't think so now. I now think his original plan was published simply because he wanted to give the impression that he had a plan when in reality he rushed into this challenge.

He's a great cyclist, no question. But is that, on its own, enough? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 06:07:22 pm
With so many miles being ridden, there is little time for much else. Without it, I don't think anybody would have a cat in hells chance to be honest.

When accounting for the lack of preparation, inferior equipment, lack of lodging, age, home turf knowledge, and 50 person support team one has to marvel at the fact that the two person Tarzan team isn't farther behind than they are.
The reason is obvious to some of us though.
Are you trolling, because this sort of post sounds awfully like it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 06:09:35 pm
With so many miles being ridden, there is little time for much else. Without it, I don't think anybody would have a cat in hells chance to be honest.

When accounting for the lack of preparation, inferior equipment, lack of lodging, age, home turf knowledge, and 50 person support team one has to marvel at the fact that the two person Tarzan team isn't farther behind than they are.
The reason is obvious to some of us though.

La Torture.... in your previous post you mentioned individualism and self-sufficiency. And you advocated the advantages of these attributes. Ok, fine.
But err.....a two person team operating from a motorized vehicle is not being individual, nor is it self-sufficient. Nor are you an individual of self-sufficient when you rely on bike shops, hotels and companies to send you replacement parts for broken bike racks. What's wrong with all that? Absolutely nothing. I've never intimated there was. Never have done. These things are all necessary pillars of support. It's all support, and you gonna need it - stacks of it. Both these riders do. How you get that support is down to how you set your ride up. But to talk about individualism and self-sufficiency...sorry it's complete and utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on 12 March, 2015, 06:15:12 pm
I think La Tortue is being given a bit of a hard time here. It has often been commented that Steve has a tougher time of things compared to Kurt due to climate and terrain. But it seems less remarked upon that one of Steve's big advantages over Kurt has been the larger number of people providing moral and actual support. I took the Tortoise's comment as a reminder of that fact.

I don't think there is a need to be judgemental about either rider's situation - both are taking advantage of what is available to them.

P.S. Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on 12 March, 2015, 06:22:04 pm
Quote from: mrcharly link=topic=87329.msg1828321#msg1828321
Are you trolling, because this sort of post sounds awfully like it.

I hope I'm not trolling, I don't mean to be.  I'm hooked on this race and wish the very best for both riders.  I obviously feel for Tarzan as you do Steve.  ( well maybe not as emotional to Kurt as ya'll are Steve.  (I'll be OK if Kurt doesn't win).  I'm here because this board has the best coverage of HAMR.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 06:38:36 pm
I obviously feel for Tarzan

A lot of us like Tarzan. I know I do. He's a phenomenal cyclist and an interesting bloke.
And, I said the other day, he's nearer my age than Steve is :-)

I'm here because this board has the best coverage of HAMR.   

That's cool.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 07:04:17 pm
Quote from: mrcharly link=topic=87329.msg1828321#msg1828321
Are you trolling, because this sort of post sounds awfully like it.

I hope I'm not trolling, I don't mean to be.  I'm hooked on this race and wish the very best for both riders.  I obviously feel for Tarzan as you do Steve.  ( well maybe not as emotional to Kurt as ya'll are Steve.  (I'll be OK if Kurt doesn't win).  I'm here because this board has the best coverage of HAMR.   
I'm sorry if my accusation was unjust, I'm feeling extremely grumpy and out of sorts. You've made several oddly veiled hints at times that have seemed like you wanted to provoke a response.

What I really think about Kurt is that he is a phenomenal high-speed ultradistance cyclist who is at a point of changes in his life. Casting around for meaning, he heard about what Steve was doing, realised that the record rules were set up properly and decided to go for it. He hasn't been as well prepared as Steve but his superior speed when racing have really shown his ability. I think several here (me included) have been amazed that he's kept up the speed and distance. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on 12 March, 2015, 07:35:43 pm
I think La Tortue is being given a bit of a hard time here. It has often been commented that Steve has a tougher time of things compared to Kurt due to climate and terrain. But it seems less remarked upon that one of Steve's big advantages over Kurt has been the larger number of people providing moral and actual support. I took the Tortoise's comment as a reminder of that fact.
Steve has earned (and nurtured) that support. He  also took a leap of faith putting himself into the hands of this happy band. Which I think is really cool  :thumbsup:



Go both of them!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 March, 2015, 07:55:49 pm
I never realised that US timezones bisect some states. There must be people who cross timezones to go to work.

I nearly fell foul of it in Oregon a few years ago.  Hotel and restaurant about a mile apart but in different time zones.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on 12 March, 2015, 08:01:17 pm
You've made several oddly veiled hints at times that have seemed like you wanted to provoke a response.

I would say the same about some of the pro-Steve comments.

Some of the posts about Kurt here would probably be seen as trolling if posted in a less partisan forum.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on 12 March, 2015, 08:04:22 pm
I think La Tortue is being given a bit of a hard time here.

+1. There can not be anywhere more biased towards Steve than this place, quite understandably. Myself included.

I'm here because this board has the best coverage of HAMR.   

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on 12 March, 2015, 08:26:09 pm
I'm really enjoying Kurt's game-ness, strikes me that it smacks of the spirit of the early days of motor racing where the frightfully nice chaps would drive to the race in the car with their mechanic alongside, tootle around the track at high speed for a while then drive home.

One thing I'm sure is that it is making the whole thing a lot more fun than if only one were riding.

ps: go steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 March, 2015, 08:34:50 pm
I'm really enjoying Kurt's game-ness, strikes me that it smacks of the spirit of the early days of motor racing where the frightfully nice chaps would drive to the race in the car with their mechanic alongside, tootle around the track at high speed for a while then drive home.

I still do that1 with my valet.  Doesn't everyone?

1: Lie.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 12 March, 2015, 08:45:44 pm
I would do were he not so inexperienced. (3,5,3,2,6/5)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Feline on 12 March, 2015, 08:48:52 pm
If this place seems biased towards Steve, then why wouldn't it? This is his home turf, we are his virtual family. The fact we are also able to embrace Kurt into the fold of someone worthy to follow is not just a sign of how good Kurt is, but how 'nice' we are  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on 12 March, 2015, 08:49:52 pm
I actually feel for Kurt. Steve has a great support network, is riding on his own turf where he has phenomenal knowledge of the roads he can choose to ride to get the most benefit with regards to weather etc. Whereas poor Kurt is camping in a van, trapesing all over the place and having to mend his own bikes. I also feel for Alicia, after all it's her that has to shoulder the ups and downs of the challenge.

That said, they each knew what they were signing up for, I suppose.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 09:28:55 pm
That said, they each knew what they were signing up for, I suppose.

Thing is, I've never bought into the unfairness of the differing approaches and always thought that both of them are adapting to their environment the best they can.

Look at this another way - you are a single bloke, not a lot of dough, living in a one bedroom flat, manual worker, you've donated all the money you have to the cause and you want to base your challenge around your home - where in the United States would you most like that flat to be situated? So you're transporting TG to the USA. Where would you ideally put him for everything to work out just right?
I'm still struggling to come up with an ideal location. And when you do, look at who else might able to support you nearby. So replicate everything. And you realize.....yeah we have a very different set of conditions here.

The more you ponder that question, the more you come to the conclusion that doing the HAMR out of the back of a van is not only a quick prep solution, but something that makes an awful lot of sense in the United States. The scale and the scope of the place is just a totally different ball game. Advantageous in one sense and the opposite in another.

Terrain and country are huge factors in all this. I really think.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 March, 2015, 09:33:30 pm
What's up with Kurt today?  Am I misreading this http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel (http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel) or does he have two sections where it looks like he's paused and restarted the spot tracker? 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 09:35:42 pm
What's up with Kurt today?  Am I misreading this http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel (http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel) or does he have two sections where it looks like he's paused and restarted the spot tracker?

Goodness knows what's going on...but the fact that he's looping all over the show would suggest that all bets are off until Strava reveals all.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 10:21:18 pm
This is bloody ridiculous. There's still more than 9 months to go of this and I'm refreshing the screen every few minutes. Tarzan is 6 hours behind us so there's a good chance he'll still be riding at 2am our time. If he travels further west YACFers will be falling asleep at their desks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on 12 March, 2015, 10:25:29 pm
This is bloody ridiculous. There's still more than 9 months to go of this and I'm refreshing the screen every few minutes.

Why the hell are you waiting that long?
No wonder you're not up with events!
 :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 12 March, 2015, 10:28:49 pm
This is bloody ridiculous. There's still more than 9 months to go of this and I'm refreshing the screen every few minutes.

Why the hell are you waiting that long?
 :D

I have a browser tab for Steve's tracker and another for Kurt's set to refresh themselves every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day. That way, there's no delay in seeing where either of them has got to at any point :-) This is alarmingly obsession-creating stuff!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on 12 March, 2015, 10:42:07 pm
Tarzan is 6 hours behind us
5
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 March, 2015, 11:46:59 pm
Has the tracker gone into meltdown today or is Tarzan really pootling around Little Rock at 9 mph ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 12 March, 2015, 11:50:12 pm
I think he's cheating. He's got Wowbagger to ride his bike today while he takes a rest day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 13 March, 2015, 12:04:53 am
Steve has a great support network,
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on 13 March, 2015, 12:59:01 am
This is bloody ridiculous. There's still more than 9 months to go of this and I'm refreshing the screen every few minutes.

Why the hell are you waiting that long?
 :D

I have a browser tab for Steve's tracker and another for Kurt's set to refresh themselves every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day. That way, there's no delay in seeing where either of them has got to at any point :-) This is alarmingly obsession-creating stuff!

I think many of us are getting just a little OCD about this!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 02:08:06 am
It's bladder o'clock UK time and Tarzan's tracker is still active.  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sizbut on 13 March, 2015, 02:28:32 am
Shhhh, there lies the advantage. Unless Tarzan sacrifices a day to fly to Holland for a 24-hour cycle marathon on December 31st, then Steve will set a record even if it only stands for a few hours. Viva la time difference.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on 13 March, 2015, 02:52:03 am
170 miles for the day!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 05:36:53 am
Quote
Thanks to Arkansas Cycling and Fitness for getting my Giant back to top condition - I just need to add a snorkle and I'll be set.

I assume Tarzan is talking about his bike. :P

170 miles in the pissing rain sounds like no fun at all.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: phil653 on 13 March, 2015, 07:31:43 am
Steve has a great support network,
(click to show/hide)

Oooh lovely,  two Scott Squirrels and a BSA flat-tanker sidecar outfit in the background, which dates that machine to no later than 1928. Can anybody identify the third solo for us?

Some google and wonkypedia background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Flying_Squirrel
http://www.yesterdays.nl/bsa-1928-s28-500-cc-1-cyl-sv-p-615.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 March, 2015, 08:12:06 am
Humber 350 ??

If it is, its spookily appropriate for Steve's ride yesterday  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on 13 March, 2015, 08:18:22 am
I saw the (on BbokFace) clip of him riding in the pissing rain  :facepalm:

It's bad enough to have a crap day or even a weekend of foul weather but facing a week or so of shit weather at those milages must be a whole new can of pain.

Hats off once again to Kurt an Steve on that.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 13 March, 2015, 08:28:02 am
I saw the (on BbokFace) clip of him riding in the pissing rain  :facepalm:

It's bad enough to have a crap day or even a weekend of foul weather but facing a week or so of shit weather at those milages must be a whole new can of pain.
He doesn't have a single bike with 'fenders'. Heavy gritty spray into your face every day for a couple of hundred miles would be absolutely miserable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 March, 2015, 09:14:54 am
As they say over there,,,

"Liquid sunshine".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 09:20:10 am
As they say over there,,,

"Liquid sunshine".

I thought red wine was liquid sunshine.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 March, 2015, 09:29:57 am
As they say over there,,,

"Liquid sunshine".

I thought red wine was liquid sunshine.

Illegally distilled white rum.
False suntan out of a bottle. ( Spray tan )
Warm Caribbean rain.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 13 March, 2015, 09:49:36 am
He doesn't have a single bike with 'fenders'. Heavy gritty spray into your face every day for a couple of hundred miles would be absolutely miserable.

Not just in your face: getting a wet arse is a huge saddle sore risk!
He might be better off using the recumbent when it rains.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on 13 March, 2015, 09:54:54 am
He doesn't have a single bike with 'fenders'. Heavy gritty spray into your face every day for a couple of hundred miles would be absolutely miserable.

Not just in your face: getting a wet arse is a huge saddle sore risk!
He might be better off using the recumbent when it rains.

Instant fenders is plastic curtain track, wire coathangers and gaffer tape.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: offcumden on 13 March, 2015, 09:58:57 am
He might be better off using the recumbent when it rains.
With local weather stations warning of flash-flooding in Arkansas he'd probably need a snorkel - as he indeed suggested on FB.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on 13 March, 2015, 11:11:56 am
Instant fenders is plastic curtain track, wire coathangers and gaffer tape.

Absolutely: for the 24-hour TT last year I made a mudguard out of two thick cable ties and insulation tape.  It worked very well. The pusher-offer thought it looked like a fuse for a rocket!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 March, 2015, 11:21:19 am
He doesn't have a single bike with 'fenders'. Heavy gritty spray into your face every day for a couple of hundred miles would be absolutely miserable.

Surely mudguards are compulsory :o ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 13 March, 2015, 01:15:09 pm
re Tarzan's 'short' day.  Seems he had mechanical breakdowns (hence taking bike to shop), heavy rain and another crash. Dunno if the crash was caused by weather or motons, he didn't say.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on 13 March, 2015, 01:37:58 pm
 :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on 13 March, 2015, 03:19:22 pm
He doesn't have a single bike with 'fenders'.

Probably just as well that he's going for the Leggian approach; he'd only break them.

The 'bent should be okay without them.  It's not like anyone's riding with him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: offcumden on 13 March, 2015, 03:30:48 pm
Tarzan's tracker seems becalmed for the second day in a row, although yesterday somehow he ended up with 169mls.  Is Little Rock in some sort of GPS Bermuda Triangle?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 March, 2015, 03:35:42 pm
No update for the thick end of two hours ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Revellinho on 13 March, 2015, 03:38:41 pm
It seems to have come to rest outside a transmission and suspension repair workshop.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on 13 March, 2015, 03:40:19 pm
Oh dear, he doesn't seem to be having an awful lot of luck, does he?
Or is it the campervan this time?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 13 March, 2015, 03:59:58 pm
He's very dependent on that campervan and 80k+ miles in a year is quite a lot on a vehicle. Would be very surprising if it got through the year without a breakdown and needing parts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: offcumden on 13 March, 2015, 04:02:58 pm
If the van, or one of his bikes, was kaput you'd expect him to ride round the block until it was fixed.

Given that the tracker exhibited similarly strange behaviour yesterday, my money is on it being a Garmin/Strava glitch.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sea of vapours on 13 March, 2015, 04:03:29 pm
Surely, at the moment, he's not relying on the camper van? He's in home territory and his latest video showed him leaving from a house with a car porch. I'd imagine that's most probably Alicia's place. (Not that any of that detracts from his ultimate reliance on the van, unless he plans to not go on the road again, which seems unlikely.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 13 March, 2015, 04:06:54 pm
If the van, or one of his bikes, was kaput you'd expect him to ride round the block until it was fixed.

Given that the tracker exhibited similarly strange behaviour yesterday, my money is on it being a Garmin/Strava glitch.
Yesterday he said "rain. bike repairs, crash - but we kept moving - just in circles"

Guess today is same strategy, hopefully without the crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bobb on 13 March, 2015, 04:12:04 pm
Given that the tracker exhibited similarly strange behaviour yesterday, my money is on it being a Garmin/Strava glitch.

I'm not sure there was anything wrong with the tracker yesterday - he just did a lot of his miles late in the evening when most of us were tucked up in bed.

Looks like it's been very wet again...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 13 March, 2015, 05:17:53 pm
No movement on the tracker for 3 3/4 hours now.  Hope it's technical glitches not retirement or worse!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on 13 March, 2015, 05:21:18 pm
He's in home territory and his latest video showed him leaving from a house with a car porch. I'd imagine that's most probably Alicia's place.

On the facebook video she does say something like "leaving my house".

Later in the video she mentions a broken crank and more road rash.   Never-the-less they both sound remarkably cheerful - seem to be really likeable folks I'd be happy to ride with (probably in the campervan unless Kurt were to slow down a lot!).

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 13 March, 2015, 05:49:48 pm
Loved the quote from that video:

Alicia: "They even cleaned [your bike] for you."
Kurt: "Hey, they had to clean it just to see it!"

Hour after hour of rain is tough on the spirits. Kudos to Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 06:08:36 pm
Still no update. I hope he's OK.

It's an interesting calculation he has to take: he's demonstrated that he's capable of 250-mile days in good conditions, 40 in excess of the target, so it's no great problem if he has the odd one that's 40 miles below it when the conditions are really bad. He can't allow too much of a build-up, though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: loadsabikes on 13 March, 2015, 06:09:15 pm
They both seemed in good spirits.
Keep going Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bobb on 13 March, 2015, 06:21:21 pm
He's on the move!

Edit: Or is he?!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 06:50:36 pm
Currently moving at 15mph, having covered 26 miles today.

Edit: allegedly.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 07:45:39 pm
Up to 39 alleged miles now, but his speed remains in single figures.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 13 March, 2015, 07:57:43 pm
Tracker error - he's been going for over 7 hours today.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 13 March, 2015, 08:06:42 pm
Isn't this what happened yesterday?  I realise he put in a lot of late miles - as he could today, the time difference means it's only 3pm in Little Rock - but I do wonder whether he is either inadvertently operating 'below the radar' in that valley, or the numerous zigs and zags are confusing the tracker, which may be computing distances across the lake rather than up and down along the shore.  Pure conjecture, of course.

I've no intention of staying up until the early hours to watch what happens, though!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 08:35:34 pm
I reckon Tarzan must be mightily fed up with Little Rock. I mean, he could be cycling up and down the same 11-mile stretch and risk bumping into Bill Clinton!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 13 March, 2015, 08:51:15 pm
Has he said anything about his future plans? I know he intends to ride various races, but will he base the remainder of the year around a base in Arkansas, does anybody know? [To be honest, I'm kind of a bit surprised he left Florida when he did..but left he has, and he moves on].
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 09:03:50 pm
He was getting very good miles in Florida, but it was beginning to get a bit hot. I wonder it that's what persuaded him to move on?

My knowledge of US geography is very scant, other than that it gets extremes of pretty well everything weather-wise and that there are some pretty lumpy bits in the middle. OK, Kurt lives in Arkansas, but how good is the terrain for this sort of challenge?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 13 March, 2015, 09:22:58 pm
They both seemed in good spirits.
Keep going Kurt!

+1

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: duncan on 13 March, 2015, 09:45:36 pm
My knowledge of US geography is very scant, other than that it gets extremes of pretty well everything weather-wise and that there are some pretty lumpy bits in the middle. OK, Kurt lives in Arkansas, but how good is the terrain for this sort of challenge?

I hadn't realized how little US geography I knew until I started following Kurt's exploits. Dropping the Google streetview pin in random places to the East of Little Rock, it seems to have a lot of long straight flat roads that seem ideal. I have no idea what the weather is like over the year though - it seems pretty horrible right now...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 13 March, 2015, 09:53:41 pm
I reckon the terrain is OK, but the weather will be truly hostile at times.  Whereas now it's just plain horrible, as you say, in the height of summer or the depths of winter he'd risk being baked, blasted, swamped or frozen.  No doubt he has a cunning plan to move to more equable climes as the seasons pass.

In the meantime the tracker has him rooted to the spot!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 13 March, 2015, 10:37:44 pm
Just read this on Kurts page    https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

Quote
Has anyone compared two Garmins, one with a speed sensor and one without? Can you run them at the same time without both picking up the speed sensor?

I wonder where he's going with this one or just a simple question on GPS operation?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 10:44:41 pm
I'm not sure what he's on about when he talks about "speed sensor". My Garmin (Etrex Vista HCx) just draws a measured line on the map to represent movement and then records how much time it takes.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 13 March, 2015, 10:52:46 pm
I'm not sure what he's on about when he talks about "speed sensor". My Garmin (Etrex Vista HCx) just draws a measured line on the map to represent movement and then records how much time it takes.

More recent models can log the data from ANT+ sensors.  Typically for heartrate and cadence, but also wheel speed, as per a traditional cycle computer.  How useful that is is a matter of some debate, but it's a reasonable question to ask if you're planning to spend a lot of time riding indoors or in small circles or something.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 10:55:07 pm
Aha! The wonders of modern technology. Ta!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 13 March, 2015, 10:57:18 pm
It would give you a much more accurate measurement of maximum speed than any GPS-only device.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 13 March, 2015, 11:27:00 pm
Just read this on Kurts page    https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

Quote
Has anyone compared two Garmins, one with a speed sensor and one without? Can you run them at the same time without both picking up the speed sensor?

I wonder where he's going with this one or just a simple question on GPS operation?

Looks like he may be trying to compare the accuracy of a stand alone unit to one paired with a speed sensor. I think he'll find that the one with the speed sensor is much more accurate. It could be costing him a few miles each day if he's not using one.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 13 March, 2015, 11:29:10 pm
It would give you a much more accurate measurement of maximum speed than any GPS-only device.

And distance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LeoW on 13 March, 2015, 11:35:09 pm

Looks like he may be trying to compare the accuracy of a stand alone unit to one paired with a speed sensor. I think he'll find that the one with the speed sensor is much more accurate. It could be costing him a few miles each day if he's not using one.

Is the speed sensor calibrated for wheel size by the GPS data or is it subject to whatever inaccuracies you may incur when estimating wheel size ?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 13 March, 2015, 11:44:51 pm

Looks like he may be trying to compare the accuracy of a stand alone unit to one paired with a speed sensor. I think he'll find that the one with the speed sensor is much more accurate. It could be costing him a few miles each day if he's not using one.

Is the speed sensor calibrated for wheel size by the GPS data or is it subject to whatever inaccuracies you may incur when estimating wheel size ?

Garmin's have an "auto calibrate" as well as manual settings for wheel size. I've found the auto calculate to be very accurate, but I've heard some say that using the roll-out method for circumference is even more so. Either way is more accurate than no speed sensor at all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2015, 11:46:33 pm
When I log miles I use the reading from the Cateye, which has the magnetic wheel sensor. I consider it to be mroe accurate that my old Garmin.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 14 March, 2015, 12:40:48 am
Just watched one of the videos again - "You don't have to follow me today". Looks like Alicia is having a couple of days off. Hence Kurt staying close to Little Rock.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 March, 2015, 01:47:59 am
My knowledge of US geography is very scant, other than that it gets extremes of pretty well everything weather-wise and that there are some pretty lumpy bits in the middle. OK, Kurt lives in Arkansas, but how good is the terrain for this sort of challenge?

The only bit of Arkansas I've visited was the NE corner - south of the Missouri state line and west of the Mississippi.  That bit makes Florida look like western Colorado.  But it looks a good deal lumpier further west.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 March, 2015, 05:22:05 am
I can't find Tarzan's total for 13th March. I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 14 March, 2015, 06:30:37 am

Looks like he may be trying to compare the accuracy of a stand alone unit to one paired with a speed sensor. I think he'll find that the one with the speed sensor is much more accurate. It could be costing him a few miles each day if he's not using one.

Is the speed sensor calibrated for wheel size by the GPS data or is it subject to whatever inaccuracies you may incur when estimating wheel size ?

Garmin's have an "auto calibrate" as well as manual settings for wheel size. I've found the auto calculate to be very accurate, but I've heard some say that using the roll-out method for circumference is even more so. Either way is more accurate than no speed sensor at all.

Surely it is not an option to use the speed sensor as whose to say that the value has been inputted correctly. A potential flaw in the rules ?

Taking things to an extreme if the wheel size was entered as roughly twice the actual wheel circumference would the distance at the end of the day be reported as twice the actual distance or would Garmin connect/Strava report a different GPS based/or say google route distance.

A sealed odometer like Tommys seems not such as bad idea.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 14 March, 2015, 06:49:05 am
I can't find Tarzan's total for 13th March. I'm intrigued.

I reckon he's just forgot to post it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly John on 14 March, 2015, 08:51:11 am
A sealed odometer like Tommys seems not such as bad idea.

As long as you don't sneak another magnet bolt onto the spokes when nobody's looking.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 14 March, 2015, 08:57:33 am
A GPS has to be a better way. If a rider is going to fake it then they pretty much have to do it for 365 days on the trot. On my Garmin(s) I'm sure the thing auto sets wheel diameter from the GPS data, and not having the sensor attached doesn't affect the distance travelled, just the maximum speed.

Despite that, I don't like reading about Kurt having problems. It's not how this should pan out, which, ideally, will be based on the athletic ability to ride hundreds of miles every day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 March, 2015, 09:48:51 am
Looks a bit worrying ATM: nowt on Strava and the ACH page had been showing but 69 miles from SPOT and 97 using Ivan's Googley SCIENCE for a couple of hours when it and I both went to bed some time after 03:00.  Nothing apparent on Bookface either :(. I imagine the good folks who visit here from the Tarzanian Embassy are now abed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 14 March, 2015, 09:57:47 am
Aye, that's a bit weird. Hopefully it's just an early night and he'll upload it in the morning.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 14 March, 2015, 11:32:18 am
93.5 km up on Strava.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 March, 2015, 11:53:45 am
Blimey!  I hope there's another upload to come, else the SCIENCE somewhere is seriously munted :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: KieronY on 14 March, 2015, 12:07:49 pm
Blimey!  I hope there's another upload to come, else the SCIENCE somewhere is seriously munted :o

From his FB page:

"Sorry not to share yesterdays rides - You can tell I did 3 seperated sessions yesterday - The first 2 sessions were in the rain and came to around 43.5 miles. The last session was after it stopped raining and was 57.8 miles - I did at least ride 100 - hope to do better today - the garmin file for 43.5 miles that will not load has been sent to UMCA to see if they can find the problem or use spot to get the miles. Spot might not give me as many miles since the first ride had an out and back component as did the 2nd. Would have rode much more in the evening but the light setup we were trying had problem. - Oh well back on the road today."
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TGS on 14 March, 2015, 12:13:42 pm
Hence why Steve carries 3 GPS units! Any of Kurt's ambassadors on here should suggest to him that he has at least one spare.

I hope it gets sorted out.

I wonder what it is like going home after 2 months in Florida. It reminds me of tales I've heard of people packing a 600 after 500k because it went past their front door. I would imagine that this is Kurt's first major mental hurdle. Anyway, best of luck to them both.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 March, 2015, 01:23:23 pm
That explains a lot. Come on Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 14 March, 2015, 02:30:10 pm
He doesn't appear to have started today?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 14 March, 2015, 02:32:02 pm
He has now!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 14 March, 2015, 02:45:16 pm
On my Garmin(s) I'm sure the thing auto sets wheel diameter from the GPS data, and not having the sensor attached doesn't affect the distance traveled, just the maximum speed.


Here's a screen shot of how Steve's GPS handled his path through a roundabout. Without a speed sensor he would have been shorted a small distance as he traveled through it. This is why Garmin's ignore the satellite data for distance and speed when a speed sensor is installed.

http://postimg.org/image/6z7p3jk1p/ (http://postimg.org/image/6z7p3jk1p/)

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Datameister on 14 March, 2015, 03:38:24 pm
It reminds me of tales I've heard of people packing a 600 after 500k because it went past their front door. I would imagine that this is Kurt's first major mental hurdle. Anyway, best of luck to them both.

The same thought had occurred to me. Hopefully wrong
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: duncan on 14 March, 2015, 04:02:36 pm
I wonder when Kurt will decide to cross the water and ride around England where it's flatter.

(England, AR that is, 50 miles from home)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 March, 2015, 04:31:11 pm
It reminds me of tales I've heard of people packing a 600 after 500k because it went past their front door. I would imagine that this is Kurt's first major mental hurdle. Anyway, best of luck to them both.

The same thought had occurred to me. Hopefully wrong

He's started from Sheridan today, which Strava says is Tarzan Central...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 March, 2015, 05:02:12 pm
I used to teach a child named Sheridan Dawes, which now seems to have acquired an even greater cycling association than it did before.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 March, 2015, 05:14:16 pm
58 km in 2.75 hours is a bit off his usual pace ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 14 March, 2015, 05:41:15 pm
I wonder what it is like going home after 2 months in Florida. It reminds me of tales I've heard of people packing a 600 after 500k because it went past their front door. I would imagine that this is Kurt's first major mental hurdle. Anyway, best of luck to them both.

It can't be easy, and must be compounded by problems with gear and poor weather (although some may think it's not that poor).  He also seems to have been pre-occupied with some 'housekeeping' in both Little Rock and Sheridan.  Let's hope he can regain his rhythm and get back into a regular schedule.

Meanwhile Steve is banging out some big ones.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 14 March, 2015, 09:44:12 pm
109 miles on the tracker, so it doesn't look as though he's slowing down much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on 14 March, 2015, 10:01:50 pm
With so many miles being ridden, there is little time for much else. Without it, I don't think anybody would have a cat in hells chance to be honest.

When accounting for the lack of preparation, inferior equipment, lack of lodging, age, home turf knowledge, and 50 person support team one has to marvel at the fact that the two person Tarzan team isn't farther behind than they are.
The reason is obvious to some of us though.

I'm (genuinely) not sure what you're getting at with your last sentence, but otherwise I tend to agree. Steve is the one with a bike sponsor, tyre sponsor, a bike shop to fettle his bikes, and loads of people to wave him in the direction of a made bed. Plus, he doesn't have to tip out the chemical toilet every night.

I think the difference is partly in perception - as someone pointed out up thread, Kurt does cultivate the image of the elite racer. And TG is just himself, a bloke riding a bike a long way.

The differences are vast - big country with miles and miles of buggerall (i.e. no bike shops or mates to fall back on) vs a little country with gnarly geography (little chance to take advantage of tailwinds without encountering hills or the sea), differences in climate and background, even differences in publicity, with Kurt's lovely little videos vs the occasional postings on here from TG. I've said before, it's a more interesting spectator event for having Kurt involved.

I wish them both well - only Steve a little bit more.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 14 March, 2015, 11:04:30 pm
Kurt has dedicated support every day, during the day and before and after every day. Steve's support is certainly not on a daily basis. GO Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 15 March, 2015, 07:29:55 am
The impression I get at the moment is that Kurt is juggling some real life stuff, and naturally it is eating in to the time he has for cycling and the focus he can give to it.  I had a sense that Steve had some advantage in being able to commit all his time and effort to this endeavour; the last couple of days suggests it is more than I thought.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on 15 March, 2015, 07:31:30 am
Kurts tracker is currently showing 14k miles in just over 50 minutes ..... Hurricane season?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 15 March, 2015, 07:33:07 am
Kurt has dedicated support every day, during the day and before and after every day. Steve's support is certainly not on a daily basis. GO Steve.

If this is true, I was mistakenly under the impression that Steve has a helper (Swisshat etc) stay over at home every day.  I wasn't aware he had a lot of days where he has to make his own supper and sort out his bikes for the next day.  Assuming that the case, it makes his recent mileage all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 08:15:12 am
The days when Steve has help are marked om his calendar. I think other people do all his shopping and I suspect they might well do all his washing up as well, But there have been 4 times this month when there has been no-one to help him when he gets in. The home helps' stints seem to be typically 6.30pm to 9.30pm.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bobby on 15 March, 2015, 08:34:10 am
Hope Kurt can get back into his rhythm, and this isn't the beginning of the end for his attempt

Go kurt
Go Steve (just a tiny bit more)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: T42 on 15 March, 2015, 08:41:27 am
Kurt does seem to have a lot of support, and a strategy of skipping from venue to venue. He also has a far wider choice of terrain and weather systems than Steve has. I wouldn't be surprised if a private jet whisked him off to California overnight.

Steve has to start from wherever he finished, with whatever support his friends can manage, and is subject to whatever the Atlantic cares to throw at him.

The playing field isn't exactly level.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 15 March, 2015, 08:52:50 am
He has a van with one overstretched helper, who seems to cock it up from time to time.  It's hardly Team Sky.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: T42 on 15 March, 2015, 09:31:29 am
OK, wrong impression then. Still...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 09:51:57 am
You are right in that it isn't a level playing field: it can't be because the two protagonists' approaches are so very different. Kurt definitely had the easier ride in Jan and Feb when he was benefitting from Florida's warmth and flatness. Steve is, I think, a much more rounded cyclist in that he has done a lot of many types - pottering, touring, audax, racing (he's done TTs and the Mersey Roads 24, plus no doubt quite a few other races I'm unaware of). Kurt has a considerably higher average speed but, apparently, "doesn't do sleep dep". Steve will, if necessary, spend 20 or more hours a day in the saddle. He knows how to do this. Kurt's support team (Alicia) isn't ever going to match Steve's team of helpers. But perhaps the most important difference is the sheer simplicity of Steve's approach. He doesn't need to make any decisions about where he's going to ride, other than on weather conditions on the day. The option - indeed, the need - of a transfer to a different part of the country just isn't there.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 15 March, 2015, 09:54:34 am
They each have their own challenges.  And face the same epic challenge.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 15 March, 2015, 09:56:57 am
However you frame it, they still have to ride an average of more than 205 miles every day for a year. However they approach it that is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Allez Steve & Allez Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 15 March, 2015, 10:04:17 am
Kurt does seem to have a lot of support, and a strategy of skipping from venue to venue. He also has a far wider choice of terrain and weather systems than Steve has. I wouldn't be surprised if a private jet whisked him off to California overnight.

Steve has to start from wherever he finished, with whatever support his friends can manage, and is subject to whatever the Atlantic cares to throw at him.

The playing field isn't exactly level.

Must admit I see no advantages or disadvantages in the approach of either - just different ways of looking at it.

Steve has the advantage [if that's the right word] of two years preparation. Remember a couple of years ago he took himself for the Christmas holiday to try out the new bike? Just him, the bike and some bleak weather. It largely went unnoticed. It was just another TG Christmas, out on his own cycling round the country. He's been planning this for at least two years, and in general terms much longer.

Kurt has come to the party late, mainly on the publication of the UMCA rules, spearheaded by Steve's enthusiasm to have a crack at the record. So Kurt's approach might look a bit more adhock.

Remember the tone of the posts here in January when Kurt was using a support van and the weather was beautiful in Florida and the weather was horrible and cold here? 'It's unfair', was the cry. No it isn't. It's just different. I think.
And this week? Are we still saying that?

At the end of the day, however you do it - you've got to cycle the miles yourself. The perception of advantage will ebb and flow over the course of the year. Steve will probably stick to his plan, because that's what plans are for, and Kurt will improvise a bit more as time goes on, because his plans are not so well formulated.

To get a perspective on country and terrain though - I asked the question the other day: if you transported Steve's attempt to the United States and replicated it exactly in terms of style, where would you most like to be situated? I didn't think the answer was obvious. There are many places over there that have extremes of weather, either hot or cold. The temptation to hop across States must be very appealing.

The more you look at where Steve lives, Milton Keynes, it's an ideal location. He hasn't got to spend ages getting out of town and he has access to reasonable [albeit a bit boring sometimes] terrain. And the extremes of weather over here are never like they can be in the USA. And there's always a 2 for 1 somewhere to be had  :)

I see the playing field as not level, just different. And, put them on the same track, they're both different kinds of riders anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hatler on 15 March, 2015, 10:48:29 am
One aspect that intrigues me is the different mindset required to keep going.

Steve sets a target for the day and heads off, knowing that when he gets there he can stop.

With Kurt, and a following van with bed, there must always be the nagging thought that he can stop, if he wants, absolutely anywhere.

That must play on your mind towards the end of the day, whereas with Steve the mental torture must all be at the start of (yet) another enormous day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bobby on 15 March, 2015, 10:55:48 am
However you frame it, they still have to ride an average of more than 205 miles every day for a year. However they approach it that is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Allez Steve & Allez Tarzan!

well said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 11:11:19 am
Of course, that average has climbed a bit: it's now just over 209mpd for Steve, >207 for Kurt.

I'm not sure if Steve will be getting any mental torture, tbh. I think he knows he has a job to do, and just does it. It would certainly take a good deal of mental fortitude for me to turn away from home after a day in the saddle just to reach a specific daily target, but I have done so on occasions. If I arrive home with 68 miles under my belt, for example, I'll go out for a 4 mile potter just to knock another ride off the Eddington Number.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 March, 2015, 11:47:12 am
If it's 2-for-1 you want then places such as Las Vegas, Reno or even Wendover NV will feed you, yea and verily, unto bursting for very little money.  There are, however, at least ten zillion good reasons for not going anywhere near such ghastly places.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 15 March, 2015, 12:42:02 pm
If it's 2-for-1 you want then places such as Las Vegas, Reno or even Wendover NV will feed you, yea and verily, unto bursting for very little money.  There are, however, at least ten zillion good reasons for not going anywhere near such ghastly places.

...not least their poor sausage provision record.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 15 March, 2015, 12:56:01 pm
However you frame it, they still have to ride an average of more than 205 miles every day for a year. However they approach it that is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Allez Steve & Allez Tarzan!

Absolutely.

I sometimes wonder if I am the only person who reads some of the posts on here and mutters to themselves "...and what the fuck do you know?".

This is a massive, mind-boggling challenge and I wish both riders (and their respective support teams) the best of luck in attempting it.

GO STEVE, GO KURT!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 15 March, 2015, 01:18:40 pm
No, you're not the only one, H! Arguments about who has the better support and whether either man is operating within the spirit of Tommy Godwin's original achievement seem to me to miss the point entirely: this is an incredibly difficult thing to do! I'm sure I'm not alone, even amongst the esteemed YACF audience, who's watching this having never, ever ridden over 200 miles in one day, let alone on successive days. The scale of what they are doing just blows me away, and I have incredible respect for both of them. Kurt's issues over the past few days surprised me by making me really worry whether he can get back on track, because this thing is so exciting for having these two giants of cycling to contrast and compare even if they're not directly competing with each other (yeah, right!).

I wish both of them the strength and the fortune to complete the year as well as they've started it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jabba on 15 March, 2015, 01:33:56 pm
Regardless of where the riders are, what steeds they ride and how they get support they still have to get over 75,000 miles ridden.  In my mind the differing techniques and strategies adds a great deal to this fascinating spectacle.

Kurt obviously has had issues, especially over the last few days, which are impacting his distance. His FaceTube quote about only doing 150 mile then off to do his taxes seems odd, individual tax returns are not due for a month whereas corporate ones are due tomorrow, so are we actually following Tarzan Inc !!

Steve's methods and miles are straight out of the K.I.S.S. principle and seem to be serving him well.  This will be a great year.

GO STEVE, GO KURT  go a bit further Steve  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: duncan on 15 March, 2015, 01:55:21 pm
Kurt's on the road - done 17 miles so far today according to the AudaxClubHackney tracker. Let's hope he doesn't have too many more interruptions to stop him riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pancho on 15 March, 2015, 02:03:43 pm
Taxes! What a rude interruption to such feat!

Hopefully Steve is sufficiently skint to be above such trivial concerns.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 15 March, 2015, 03:15:49 pm
I wonder if Steve can claim this against tax. If so he might not have to pay any for *years*  ;D

Then again he might be vilified as a tax dodger.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 15 March, 2015, 03:21:02 pm
Well if he has been on PAYE he should get a refund for some of the current Tax Year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 03:23:22 pm
Kurt's track today shows that he has gone out into a hilly area*, albeit a valley between two ranges. I like to have a look at his routes in Streetview and this is, to me, one of the most appealing he has been down. Lots of trees, a bit of up and down, a two-lane road with unbroken double yellow lines down the middle (I would guess that they are the equivalent of our double white line) and very little traffic.

*whose map does Tracker use? It's got a lot more physical detail than googlemaps.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sea of vapours on 15 March, 2015, 03:35:10 pm
*whose map does Tracker use? It's got a lot more physical detail than googlemaps.

Looks to be a Google base map with the topographical detail provided by mytopomaps.com (linked at the bottom of the map). All other links are to Google, hence my conclusion that it's an overlay service. It does seem very good, and Kurt's roads today are far, far nicer than his typical pseudo-motorway type things!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 15 March, 2015, 05:07:01 pm
individual tax returns are not due for a month whereas corporate ones are due tomorrow, so are we actually following Tarzan Inc !!



Kurt seems to have a business supplying software packages to car dealers in Arkansas. http://www.acs-soft.com/index.htm
I dare say that he can resolve some of the issues arising from that on the road. It must give him something to think about.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 15 March, 2015, 05:09:37 pm
He has had a dyno fitted on the front, mentioned riding through the night. Hmm should be interesting.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jabba on 15 March, 2015, 05:16:30 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\

Either he's into some very clever reverse-psychology or some-such or he's on a big downer.  Seems his only motivation is to beat someone else which sort of flies against the blurb on his website about beating the record.

Also seems a bit weird that his own, hometown, bike shop didn't seem all that interested in what he was doing.

Or I could be reading just too much into it all, though I do find it odd that both Kurt and Alicia seem to have a need to post everything about themselves on FaceTube, I would say its a modern generational thing but hey Kurt's 50+  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 15 March, 2015, 05:30:35 pm

Kurt obviously has had issues, especially over the last few days, which are impacting his distance. His FaceTube quote about only doing 150 mile then off to do his taxes seems odd, individual tax returns are not due for a month whereas corporate ones are due tomorrow, so are we actually following Tarzan Inc !!


My American colleagues seem to fear the IRS more than historically the Spanish Inquisition were feared; I think the IRS are quite anal about paperwork and, given Tarzan has a tracker showing his whereabouts, I'm sure he will want to set his affairs in order.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bryn on 15 March, 2015, 06:06:06 pm
My American colleagues seem to fear the IRS more than historically the Spanish Inquisition were feared

...even if "Nobody expects the IRS" doesn't have quite the same ring to it....  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 15 March, 2015, 06:29:24 pm
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as sausages, dyhohubs, Brooks saddles, and an almost fanatical devotion to PBP, and nice red cycling tops
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 15 March, 2015, 06:40:24 pm
...even if "Nobody expects the IRS" doesn't have quite the same ring to it....  ;D

 :thumbsup:

Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as sausages, dyhohubs, Brooks saddles, and an almost fanatical devotion to PBP, and nice red cycling tops

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 15 March, 2015, 06:40:54 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\
...

Great GPS joke from Alicia - I think she's still having fun :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 15 March, 2015, 06:43:32 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\

No idea what "facetube" means. Or which video you're referring to.

It'd be nice if people would provide links to external content that they are commenting on here so the rest of us could join in the discussion  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TGS on 15 March, 2015, 06:45:19 pm
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 15 March, 2015, 06:51:00 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\

Either he's into some very clever reverse-psychology or some-such or he's on a big downer.  Seems his only motivation is to beat someone else which sort of flies against the blurb on his website about beating the record.

Also seems a bit weird that his own, hometown, bike shop didn't seem all that interested in what he was doing.

Or I could be reading just too much into it all, though I do find it odd that both Kurt and Alicia seem to have a need to post everything about themselves on FaceTube, I would say its a modern generational thing but hey Kurt's 50+  ???
It does seem a bit odd.  I hope he gets out of the doldrums.  Unslumping yourself is not easily done.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 15 March, 2015, 06:51:49 pm
Thanks for the link to Kurt's Facebook page, TGS but it's not a link to the video Jabba was referring to.

In the future anyone looking back at this thread won't have a clue which of Kurt's videos was "at the top" today.

So I'd ask contributers to please post links to the specific content what they is talking about.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 15 March, 2015, 07:02:49 pm
Good point,  Wobbles.
A few kind hearts have posted the relevant links that DONT require a facebook account  :thumbsup:

Sadly I don't know how to do this :(

I suspect its all in vain anyway, as facebook content doesnt last forever. I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 07:14:59 pm
Perhaps we should club together to buy Kurt a YACF account so he can link his videos directly here rather than waste time putting them on Facebook!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TGS on 15 March, 2015, 07:16:23 pm
I haven't got a facebook account, but I can see Kurt's page. Also if I scroll down the right hand side I can see all the previous days. Why not just refer to it as "facebook video on day x"

After watching the (day 63 facebook) video, I thought it was exactly what Jabba was referring to.

 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 15 March, 2015, 07:38:07 pm
Just checked Kurts progress on the tracker and he appears to be heading towards England!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 07:40:17 pm
Beat me to it.

Do you think there is, somewhere within that foreign field, a corner that is forever Marsh Gibbon?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 15 March, 2015, 07:50:24 pm
Just checked Kurts progress on the tracker and he appears to be heading towards England!  :thumbsup:

Heading, but I doubt stopping. Why would you choose to stop in the smaul town that is little old England, when, further up the road there is a slightly bigger town called Stuttgart? Go figure :-)

[BTW...the IRS will cut your balls off...given the chance :D]
He did the right thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew_s on 15 March, 2015, 07:56:33 pm
Sadly I don't know how to do this :(
If this is the correct link:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1590112407897133&video_source=pages_finch_main_video
I got it by right-click --> open in new tab, then copy the address bar
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 07:57:32 pm
That'll do!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 08:02:49 pm
Just checked Kurts progress on the tracker and he appears to be heading towards England!  :thumbsup:

He got into England, turned round and went straight back out! Do you think he didn't like it?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LeoW on 15 March, 2015, 08:03:23 pm
He has had a dyno fitted on the front, mentioned riding through the night. Hmm should be interesting.

He's had the light fitted upside down - it'll have an awful beam pattern ...... only blind drivers - can't see the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 15 March, 2015, 08:10:34 pm
He got into England, turned round and went straight back out! Do you think he didn't like it?

Perhaps he's making some sort of statement?  Hasn't lost his sense of humour, it seems.

Zooming in on England, Arkansas, it looks absolutely nothing like the original.  The 'rolling English drunkard' took no part in highway construction out there!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 15 March, 2015, 08:11:15 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\

You know what...I didn't enjoy watching that.
I feel like saying to him, "cut all the Facebook crap and get it together. Get the hell out of here"
[What's that?...."Like, what the f*** does he know" :-)]

But really......leave the people on the forums like us to pollute the internet with superfluous rubbish, because that's what we're here for. We're all sitting on our fat lard arses indulging in the art of being keyboard warriors...but for them....nah, sorry, it's not constructive.

Their job is to ride. And forget everybody else.

I had the same feeling when Steve posted here at the beginning, there was a post where he talked about Kurt not having an answer for this and that........didn't like it...nah, nah, nah........it's like, no, stay away.....social media is the last place you want to be. Don't get drawn into. It's just distracting rubbish.

Sorry, just had to let that one go!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 15 March, 2015, 08:17:20 pm
That's your opinion. There are a sizeable body of people who like 'following' someone, checking their progress, how they are feeling. Kurt has put up appeals for inner tubes in the past. Nothing wrong with doing that.

A 3min interview done by Alicia doesn't exactly take much effort from Kurt. In fact, I reckon it takes less than writing a post on something like YACF.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 15 March, 2015, 08:17:40 pm
He has had a dyno fitted on the front, mentioned riding through the night. Hmm should be interesting.

He's had the light fitted upside down - it'll have an awful beam pattern ...... only blind drivers - can't see the road.

It's OK, they drive on the other side of the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 15 March, 2015, 08:21:19 pm
It seems Flash Player is needed to view Kurt's videos. So I won't be seeing any of them after all. Because as any fule kno Flash Player is effin' insecure.

If you care about security uninstall Flash. Seriously.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LeoW on 15 March, 2015, 08:22:06 pm
He has had a dyno fitted on the front, mentioned riding through the night. Hmm should be interesting.

He's had the light fitted upside down - it'll have an awful beam pattern ...... only blind drivers - can't see the road.

It's OK, they drive on the other side of the road.

... the ceiling ?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 15 March, 2015, 08:22:49 pm
He has had a dyno fitted on the front, mentioned riding through the night. Hmm should be interesting.

He's had the light fitted upside down - it'll have an awful beam pattern ...... only blind drivers - can't see the road.

True
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 08:45:56 pm
Should we tell him? We don't want Smoky Bear* pulling him over for some sort of felony.

*TM Mr. Larrington
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jabba on 15 March, 2015, 09:15:21 pm
Just seen the latest Kurt-vid on FaceTube  :-\

No idea what "facetube" means. Or which video you're referring to.

It'd be nice if people would provide links to external content that they are commenting on here so the rest of us could join in the discussion  ???

Wobbly, sorry about no link thingy but I'm not that tech-savvy  :facepalm: , I just followed the link from Oaky's OYTT  links sticky and saw the video at the top right of the page.  I'm not a fan of most social media hence my mashing of Facebook and YouTube.

In future I'll refer to the day quoted if anything else appears noteworthy from the page.  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 15 March, 2015, 09:34:07 pm
Also seems a bit weird that his own, hometown, bike shop didn't seem all that interested in what he was doing.

I dunno - sure, they weren't asking all through the vid what he was up to, but near the end there's a voice off-camera saying "it's pretty awesome what he's doing" and asking Alicia about her role (she's his professional stalker, apparently).

And you know, they were right - it is pretty awesome what he's doing. (Steve's more awesome, obv, but that goes without saying here and in any case is only a matter of degree.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 March, 2015, 09:59:44 pm
It seems Flash Player is needed to view Kurt's videos. So I won't be seeing any of them after all. Because as any fule kno Flash Player is effin' insecure.

If you care about security uninstall Flash. Seriously.

The one linked upthread played fine using Chrome on my fondleslab.  And the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia is well-known for its rabid dislike of Flash.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 11:08:40 pm
Our Battling USAnian Boy is still out there, the tracker claiming he's done 162.54 miles. There's been quite a lot of doubling back so that may well be an understatement. Just after 6pm, so by my reckoning the sun should have set. However, I'm led to believe that LR is 5 hours behind us and Google claims that sunset today is 7.16 pm. That's a pretty inaccurate time approximation then, since the equinox isn't for another week.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: JonBuoy on 15 March, 2015, 11:45:24 pm
Looks like a pleasant evening:  http://weather.weatherbug.com/AR/Little%20Rock-weather/weather-cams/local-cams.html
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2015, 11:47:30 pm
Well that looks OK. He seems to have stopped again though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2015, 01:04:56 am
I don't know if either cyclist is aware of the numbers of us following their progress, but if they are, then I hope they find it encouraging. Steve has a quick look in here from time to time and no doubt has picked up the fact that, at around 8pm every day, a fair few of us are willing him on to yet more miles.

Kurt obviously has a much smaller following on YACF and it gives the impression that he slogs his way around with hardly anyone about. Are there any other forums his supporters wish him well? Or is YACF the only place where this amazing contest is being celebrated?

He's got over 180 tracker miles registered so far today, so it looks as though his campaign is back on track after three less productive days.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 16 March, 2015, 02:35:33 am
222.2 miles today!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2015, 06:00:51 am
Curiously, Kurt registered 2 rides, according to the UMCA soreadsheet. The first was 0.1 miles, the second 222.2! That's dedication for you.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 16 March, 2015, 06:21:09 am
Kurt has managed to submit an extra 20 mile GPS track for 13th March - that day when he had GPS problems. Still a big chunk from the middle of the day missing though.

I also notice that his average heart rate for rides in the last week has been steadily climbing:

Day  Av Heart rate
9 Mar    90
10 Mar    92
11 Mar    92
12 Mar    96
13 Mar    99
14 Mar    101
15 Mar    106
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bobby on 16 March, 2015, 07:17:16 am
222.2 miles today!

Chapeau kurt - the race is on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 March, 2015, 07:20:13 am
Kurt has managed to submit an extra 20 mile GPS track for 13th March - that day when he had GPS problems. Still a big chunk from the middle of the day missing though.

I also notice that his average heart rate for rides in the last week has been steadily climbing:

Day  Av Heart rate
9 Mar    90
10 Mar    92
11 Mar    92
12 Mar    96
13 Mar    99
14 Mar    101
15 Mar    106

Does it correlate with metres climbed?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 16 March, 2015, 07:35:11 am
Kurt has managed to submit an extra 20 mile GPS track for 13th March - that day when he had GPS problems. Still a big chunk from the middle of the day missing though.

I also notice that his average heart rate for rides in the last week has been steadily climbing:

Day  Av Heart rate
9 Mar    90
10 Mar    92
11 Mar    92
12 Mar    96
13 Mar    99
14 Mar    101
15 Mar    106

I picked up on this too. Was wondering if it was related to slightly hillier terrain (probably) or possible an indicator of a dip in form (hopefully not). Anybody care to comment?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 16 March, 2015, 07:36:39 am
I thought this as well. 

Also the conditions have been harder (he may not be riding with the wind at all times given he appears to be either "forced" to head towards Little Rock or is running the Steve approach of riding to/from home).

Steve and Kurt's rides appear to have swapped over in nature, compared to Jan/Feb when Kurt was benefitting from being in Florida.  Making hay, I think the expression is.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nuncio on 16 March, 2015, 07:45:14 am

I also notice that his average heart rate for rides in the last week has been steadily climbing:

Does it correlate with metres climbed?

Not really.  If Strava is to be believed March 10th and 13 equate to around 6 metres ascent per km, the other days are around 3.7, except for 11th which is 2.2

One of the 3 tracks submitted for 13/3 is 0.7km, rising 146km. I suspect this is not right. Coincidentally (or probably not), one of the others is 146m climbing over 33.5km.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jabba on 16 March, 2015, 08:46:59 am
Also seems a bit weird that his own, hometown, bike shop didn't seem all that interested in what he was doing.

..... near the end there's a voice off-camera saying "it's pretty awesome what he's doing" and asking Alicia about her role ....

This was what had me questioning whether they were interested, it didn't seem as if they were joking around so it felt like a straight question and if they'd known about Kurt then they'd have known who Alicia was and her role......... but hey I've probably just read way too much into it all  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 16 March, 2015, 08:51:17 am
Kurt obviously has a much smaller following on YACF and it gives the impression that he slogs his way around with hardly anyone about. Are there any other forums his supporters wish him well? Or is YACF the only place where this amazing contest is being celebrated?

He has quite a few followers on facebook.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 16 March, 2015, 09:05:16 am
Kurt obviously has a much smaller following on YACF and it gives the impression that he slogs his way around with hardly anyone about. Are there any other forums his supporters wish him well? Or is YACF the only place where this amazing contest is being celebrated?

He has quite a few followers on facebook.
I follow Kurt on facebook, its good to see all of the videos to guage how he is doing, but I suspect there are few places that celebrate this record attempt quite like YACF
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2015, 09:07:09 am
I'm not a facebooker but I do watch his videos. I haven't appointed myself as a "follower" on facebook (presumably I can't without an account) but I have on Strava.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 16 March, 2015, 09:31:35 am
The advantage of actually using Facebook is that you can send him messages or questions. Usually he or Alicia respond pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 16 March, 2015, 09:35:26 am
Steve tries to read the messages about him/to him but it's time consuming.

The most important thing is riding the miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 16 March, 2015, 09:57:38 am
Steve tries to read the messages about him/to him but it's time consuming.

The most important thing is riding the miles.
Distracting as well. I think Steve has the right attitude for him.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 16 March, 2015, 10:58:41 am
The advantage of actually using Facebook is that you can send him messages or questions. Usually he or Alicia respond pretty quickly.

They both responded to a video that I'd shared on fb  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 16 March, 2015, 02:04:25 pm
The advantage of actually using Facebook is that you can send him messages or questions. Usually he or Alicia respond pretty quickly.

They both responded to a video that I'd shared on fb  :)

I think they are both keeping an eye on what is happening over here. They do tend to respond to comments and there videos are usually quite amusing.  Keep them coming Kurt / Alicia!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 March, 2015, 06:55:16 pm
He got into England, turned round and went straight back out! Do you think he didn't like it?

Perhaps he's making some sort of statement?  Hasn't lost his sense of humour, it seems.

Zooming in on England, Arkansas, it looks absolutely nothing like the original.  The 'rolling English drunkard' took no part in highway construction out there!

And today 'e's been dahn ve East End :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 16 March, 2015, 07:28:25 pm
And today 'e's been dahn ve East End :thumbsup:

Ah, yes, that's close to Highway 167, which he seems to like yo-yoing up and down.  You don't think there's an Arkansas version of the VC167 (also named after a local main road), do you? 

An opportunity to set up a transatlantic twinning arrangement, perhaps?  Or maybe a team HAMR challenge?  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 16 March, 2015, 09:41:08 pm
Had to laugh...I see that Kurt has just gone through England.
Thought I might go and have myself a little look at the place, so this is his approach to the town (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@34.535186,-91.95351,3a,75y,356.08h,67.46t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sd4SDAaGYs8dXd-GlXNZ1Dg!2e0?hl=en), on highway 15 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@34.500674,-91.948385,3a,75y,350.42h,57.5t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4K-gzkbPM1gVRtzWWLZN3A!2e0?hl=en).
Feeling at home?  ;D
Pancake flat that bit.
Looks like a little sleepy old town does England.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: PAC on 16 March, 2015, 10:09:27 pm
That must be one heck of a mental strain going down roads like that all day :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 March, 2015, 10:13:14 pm
It looks like Cambridgeshire to me.

https://goo.gl/maps/yrVrf
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: loadsabikes on 16 March, 2015, 10:20:54 pm
Yes, decidedly fen like.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 March, 2015, 10:35:35 pm
He's been down Whitehall as well today.  Well, White Hall.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 16 March, 2015, 10:41:42 pm
Yes, decidedly fen like.

Hmm.  Arkansas flatlands, Cambridgeshire fenlands - both pretty level.  As playing fields go.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 17 March, 2015, 07:47:11 pm
Yes, decidedly fen like.

Nah, there's water in them there fens  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: duncan on 17 March, 2015, 09:35:06 pm
Looks like Kurt might be planning a big one today - he's been through England and Stuttgart and is still heading away from home.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 17 March, 2015, 09:43:22 pm
Looks like Kurt might be planning a big one today - he's been through England and Stuttgart and is still heading away from home.

Leaving Arkansas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: duncan on 17 March, 2015, 09:56:46 pm
Leaving Arkansas.

He's had some pretty horrible weather while he's been there, hasn't he? Is he on his way back to Florida?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 March, 2015, 10:05:27 pm
How has it been for him today? I see he's still in Arkansas, 138 miles under his belt, 5pm his time, about 2½ hours until sunset. Will we see Kurt's new Schmidt hub and upside-down front light in action for the first time?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 March, 2015, 11:39:53 pm
I've just found out that there is a Barling in Arkansas! Kurt could do a Barling loop if he travels NW to Fort Smith.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 March, 2015, 01:34:25 am
Isn't Kurt Barling a reporter on the BBC Londonton News?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 18 March, 2015, 02:46:45 am
211.4 miles @19.5mph.

Looks like he's back in the groove...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 18 March, 2015, 07:09:40 am
Interesting short press article posted to his facebook page, which amongst the usual bits of "why" and "how" suggests that Kurt has been thinking about Tommys record for a couple of years.  More specifically since he did a 27000 mile year, the same year he won a race called the Big Dog.

Looking at his race schedule he's down for something in Texas later this month.  Wonder if we will see him head to the lone star state soon.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: La Tortue on 18 March, 2015, 12:56:06 pm
Starting to catch on.  Tarzan is on the Natchez Trace!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 March, 2015, 02:14:00 pm
The free campsites might save a bit of money.
http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/camping.htm
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bmoyers on 18 March, 2015, 02:37:46 pm
I've ridden an out and back 200k on the Natchez Trace in the area Kurt will travel today.   The road is beautifully built and there are no intersecting roads that have right of way, so there are no mandated stops.  Kurt should be able to just roll at top speed except for when he needs a pop tart.  The southern part of the Trace is slightly rolling to flat.  If I were him, I'd stay on the Trace until I couldn't stand looking at trees anymore.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 18 March, 2015, 02:45:52 pm
... except for when he needs a pop tart....

Is that American for "pony and trap"?  :D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 March, 2015, 02:47:24 pm
He could kill the boredom by looking for gibbons in the trees.

In England, we kill the boredom by looking for five pound notes in the gutter.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bmoyers on 18 March, 2015, 02:52:08 pm
"pony and trap" -> thank god for google.   Yes pop tarts are a specific name brand of crap food ;-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 March, 2015, 03:00:56 pm
I think over there, a cycllist would need the 'Outdoor John'.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 18 March, 2015, 03:34:05 pm
I fuelled the latter bits of a 200km at the weekend with Strawberry Sensation Pop Tarts.  400 calories per 2 tart foil pack, which conveniently slips into either the jersey back pocket or the side pouch of my Carradice.  Not to be knocked and cheaper than SIS energy bars (basically 50p per tart).

Those are the bog standard UK ones though (chocolate and apple are also relatively easy to find).  Our American cousins have a much wider range to choose from.  The best I've tried to date are Chocolate Smores flavour, which have chocolate and marshmallow betwixt Graham cracker pastry goodness.  I've yet to brave cookie dough flavour or peanut butter, which I suspect will be off the scale in energy density.

Sing after me, to the tune of Star Spangled Banner:
"Nom nom nom nom nom nommmm, nom nom nom nom nom nommmm, nom nom nom, nom nom nom, nom nom nom nom nom nom nom."

http://www.listchallenges.com/pop-tarts-flavors
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 18 March, 2015, 03:50:04 pm
Mention on FB of an excursion to Mississippi today.

https://youtu.be/NfY0yJyTjjE
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: phil653 on 18 March, 2015, 04:05:58 pm
".   Yes pop tarts are a specific name brand of crap food ;-)
IIRC Kellogs Pop Tarts sponsored the sprinter's jersey in the long defunct Kellogs Tour of Britain. Their version was for popping in the toaster as a breakfast food but was withdrawn after too many scaldings from the superheated jam filling. But that last bit may be an urban legend.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 18 March, 2015, 05:02:59 pm
They still get popped in the toaster and create sugary lava. 

It is a fine art setting the toaster setting so that the outside is not burnt.  And then eating it with blowing actions to avoid your mouth re-enacting the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 March, 2015, 06:00:35 pm
I thought a pop tart might be a lady of loose morals from the hit parade, m'lud.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 March, 2015, 07:15:49 pm
".   Yes pop tarts are a specific name brand of crap food ;-)
IIRC Kellogs Pop Tarts sponsored the sprinter's jersey in the long defunct Kellogs Tour of Britain. Their version was for popping in the toaster as a breakfast food but was withdrawn after too many scaldings from the superheated jam filling. But that last bit may be an urban legend.

They got bad press because the little urchins put them in the microwave. The crust hardly warmed but the jam boiled.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 March, 2015, 07:28:35 pm
Father Ted: Sister Assumpta, you know we really are only up for the basic booze, fags and rollerblading deal. I mean, the getting up early thing is great but- This is water.
Sister Assumpta: That's right.
Father Ted: ....Alright, alright, having a bit of a laugh with the big thickos from the island. Where's our real breakfast?
Father Dougal: Ted, I'd love a pop-tart.
Father Ted: Yes, Father Dougal likes his pop tarts first thing in the morning.
Sister Assumpta: I really don't think pop tarts have any place in our Lord's plan for the world.
Father Ted: I think they have as much a place as anything else. Maybe our Lord doesn't take a personal interest in them but I'm sure He delegates them to someone almost as important.
Father Dougal: What about....Frosties?
Father Ted: Again, same thing: He might not have come up with the idea but He'd be the one who'd give them the green light.
Father Dougal: Oh right. But if you take something like, say, Sugar Puffs, now or Lucky Charms-
Sister Assumpta: FATHERS, COULD YOU PLEASE- Could you please stop having that conversation, finish your breakfast and come outside for your daily punishment.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: phil653 on 18 March, 2015, 07:47:42 pm
From Wonkypedia:

In 1992, Thomas Nangle sued Kellogg for damages after his Pop-Tart got stuck and caught fire in his toaster. The case gained wider notoriety when humor columnist Dave Barry wrote a column about starting a fire in his own toaster with Pop-Tarts.[9][10] In 1994, Texas A&M University Corpus Christi professor Patrick Michaud performed an experiment showing that, when left in the toaster too long, strawberry Pop-Tarts could produce flames over a foot high.[11] The discovery triggered a flurry of lawsuits. Since then, Pop-Tarts carry the warning: "Due to possible risk of fire, never leave your toasting appliance or microwave unattended."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop-Tarts
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bmoyers on 18 March, 2015, 07:58:50 pm
I hope you guys enjoy the Simpsons.  The pop tart burning story reminded me of:

Dondelinger: Now i'm going to burn this donut to show you how many calories it has.
Homer: NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Dondelinger: The bright blue flame indicates this was a particularly sweet donut.
Homer: This is not happening!

http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season4/front9.mp3
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 18 March, 2015, 09:16:07 pm
Warning signs for the brainless.
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j433/Lighthorse2/Southeastern%20toilet.JPG-pwrt2_zpsxjrbqqqr.jpg) (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/Lighthorse2/media/Southeastern%20toilet.JPG-pwrt2_zpsxjrbqqqr.jpg.html)

For those who cannot read, it says "Not drinking water".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 18 March, 2015, 10:10:09 pm
I think over there, a cycllist would need the 'Outdoor John'.
Of course, after a good curry, it may be a double john!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 19 March, 2015, 07:10:17 am
Tarzan fought bee.  Bee won.

(http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/8b/98/61/mzl.krkcwvfw.175x175-75.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 19 March, 2015, 08:11:22 am
Yeah, that eye looks very sore.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: geraldc on 19 March, 2015, 10:25:51 am
Perhaps he should change his name from Tarzan to Quasimodo until the swelling subsides.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 March, 2015, 12:34:13 pm
To be fair, we haven't seen the other guy bee
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 March, 2015, 01:36:39 pm
It bled to death. That's what bees do when they leave their stings behind.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: BobScarle on 19 March, 2015, 02:33:28 pm
That eye does not look good, but Kurt appears in good spirits though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bryn on 19 March, 2015, 04:22:58 pm
He just passed Port Gibbon......oh sorry, Port Gibson.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 19 March, 2015, 08:01:25 pm
I'm stil uneasy about footage taken by the driver of a moving vehicle.
Pretty sure you'd be at risk of prosecution in the UK :(

(Any facebook followers brave enough to ask Alicia about it?)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SandyV on 19 March, 2015, 08:11:05 pm
While I agree with you, mattc, from ncsl.org :

Hand-held Cell Phone Use Ban: 14 states, D.C., Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands prohibit all drivers from using hand-held cell phones while driving.
All Cell Phone ban: No state bans all cell phone use for all drivers, but 37 states and D.C. ban all cell phone use by novice or teen drivers, and 20 states and D.C. prohibit any cell phone use for school bus drivers.
Text Messaging ban: 44 states, D.C., Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands ban text messaging for all drivers.
4 states prohibit text messaging by novice or teen drivers.
3 states restrict school bus drivers from texting.
Source:  Governor’s Highway Safety Administration.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 March, 2015, 08:25:16 pm
Tarzan's in Louisiana, having just crossed the Mississippi.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 19 March, 2015, 08:47:31 pm
I'm stil uneasy about footage taken by the driver of a moving vehicle.
Pretty sure you'd be at risk of prosecution in the UK :(

(Any facebook followers brave enough to ask Alicia about it?)

She could easily have a head-mounted cam.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sea of vapours on 19 March, 2015, 08:54:29 pm

She could easily have a head-mounted cam.

Ummmmm...... in that case she'd definitively be staring at 90 degrees to the direction she's piloting the van ...... So that's fine then  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TGS on 19 March, 2015, 09:14:11 pm
I'm stil uneasy about footage taken by the driver of a moving vehicle.
She needs my "Stevemobile"
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31223201/22nd%20Feb/20150222_072703.jpg)
I have to park to turn the camera on & off.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 19 March, 2015, 09:19:08 pm
Tarzan's in Louisiana, having just crossed the Mississippi.

Just about here [at 21.13pm] (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.321914,-91.608938,3a,75y,205.29h,81.79t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8heSX7kdW8nNs1wwWbAVdQ!2e0?hl=en)
Hey! Where's the GoogleMapVan you USAians?...we can't make out the infinity of the road ahead - the quality of these images are not what we're used to!  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 March, 2015, 09:51:28 am
I wouldn't mind doing a video sequence including the bridge at the top of the Natchez Trace.

(http://www.jasoncoleman.net/images/natchez.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 20 March, 2015, 11:28:12 am
Latest video shows a wrecked recumbent rear wheel, following its dangling off the rack on the freeway. :\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 20 March, 2015, 11:53:04 am
Oh no, that was the reliable bike!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 20 March, 2015, 12:15:18 pm
If the (CF) bent has been hanging off the back of the RV, I'd be a bit worried about frame damage. :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 20 March, 2015, 12:23:29 pm
That's the gist of the comment I made on the video.  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 March, 2015, 10:21:06 pm
The question is, did the whole bike drop off the back or just the wheel?

In the early days of us transporting the tandem our rear wheel dropped out of the drop-outs whilst I was driving along the A12. It was prevented from escaping completely by the chain and gear cables. From that point on I understood that you have to strap the wheels on and not rely on drop-outs.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 20 March, 2015, 10:32:36 pm
I think that Kurt needs to be told that it's not safe to ride the 'bent again ; )
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 21 March, 2015, 12:43:39 pm
In the early days of us transporting the tandem our rear wheel dropped out of the drop-outs whilst I was driving along the A12. It was prevented from escaping completely by the chain and gear cables. From that point on I understood that you have to strap the wheels on and not rely on drop-outs.

Erm, that's news to me!  *files away for future bike carrier paranoia*
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bobb on 21 March, 2015, 12:58:44 pm
He's off again. Looks like he's deep down Louisiana close to New Orleans...... Not sure if he's way back up in the woods among the evergreens though...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 21 March, 2015, 03:00:20 pm
;D

He could ride a bike just like ringing a bell (at Marsh Gibbon)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 March, 2015, 08:03:15 pm
Tarzan's in Louisiana, having just crossed the Mississippi.

Just about here [at 21.13pm] (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.321914,-91.608938,3a,75y,205.29h,81.79t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8heSX7kdW8nNs1wwWbAVdQ!2e0?hl=en)
Hey! Where's the GoogleMapVan you USAians?...we can't make out the infinity of the road ahead - the quality of these images are not what we're used to!  :)
It looks like a scratched old home movie (Super 8, maybe) scanned!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 March, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
;D

He could ride a bike just like ringing a bell (at Marsh Gibbon)
Do you think he gets anyone else to play with his dingaling?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 21 March, 2015, 10:00:21 pm
errm, the man appears to be going through a DIV-ORCE so lets not speculate....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 22 March, 2015, 04:06:28 pm
I wouldn't mind doing a video sequence including the bridge at the top of the Natchez Trace.

(http://www.jasoncoleman.net/images/natchez.jpg)

A beautiful valley spoiled by shoving a road up it, and across it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bobb on 22 March, 2015, 07:27:20 pm
I see he's back in Alabama... his big wheels keep on turning...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wascally Weasel on 23 March, 2015, 09:48:14 am
I see he's back in Alabama... his big wheels keep on turning...

Must be difficult to cycle with a banjo on your knee.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nuncio on 23 March, 2015, 01:02:54 pm
It only takes a second to get from Louisiana to Alabama. There's only one Mississippi in between them.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 24 March, 2015, 06:44:35 am
Big miles from both Steve and Kurt yesterday.  Kurt seems to be hugging the coastline, and it's doing his daily average no harm at all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 24 March, 2015, 08:03:00 am
It only takes a second to get from Louisiana to Alabama. There's only one Mississippi in between them.

Very good.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 24 March, 2015, 08:39:25 am
I notice Kurt was back on the 'bent.  I hope it's been checked over properly.  Apologies, but I'm not very confident of Kurt's mechanical prowess, given the issues so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 24 March, 2015, 09:08:05 am
Although I am pretty confident that he and his local support are in a better position to judge the state of his machine than we are.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 24 March, 2015, 09:25:47 am
The guy can fix the plumbing in his van.  I'm pretty sure he is up to changing a bike wheel and checking the frame over for damage  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 24 March, 2015, 09:33:00 am
Yeah, I reckon he knows what he's doing. It's amazing that any of his bikes are running at all, considering how much of a ham'ring he is giving them, and how little time he has to spend on routine maintenance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 24 March, 2015, 10:08:13 am
I notice Kurt was back on the 'bent.  I hope it's been checked over properly.  Apologies, but I'm not very confident of Kurt's mechanical prowess, given the issues so far.

Looks to me like a different rear wheel. I reckon he would have checked the frame over when swapping out.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 24 March, 2015, 10:20:09 am
Definitely a new wheel. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 24 March, 2015, 12:21:22 pm
I notice on his Day 70 video he has tape appear on his elbow at 18 seconds but on Day 71 video he has tape on both elbow and knee. 

Has he had another couple of offs?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 24 March, 2015, 02:51:07 pm
I notice on his Day 70 video he has tape appear on his elbow at 18 seconds but on Day 71 video he has tape on both elbow and knee. 

Has he had another couple of offs?

I think they are existing injuries. He is also seen lathering on Sun cream so maybe its just for added protection to the damaged area.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Graeme on 24 March, 2015, 06:13:03 pm
Can his body keep taking this damage for a year? He always seems to be doing more than Steve, but he's suffering injuries. I hope he is going to be okay, but I really would like to see jo's chart start to show a narrower gap between TG and Tarzan. 235 miles! I managed the Old 240, 400km event, in 23hrs. I can't imaging studying out 220-240 mile days back to back to back to back...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: macnark on 24 March, 2015, 07:42:29 pm
A bit concerned at the length of his stop - no movement for 1hr 25mins so far at 96.75 miles.
Hope its just a flatbat on the spot tracker.  ???

Edited: AOK now - 17 miles jump with no updates. :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 March, 2015, 03:47:21 pm
Tarzan's tracker displaying some oddness today - looks like it fired up accidentally late last night and then scarcely moved as the ACH SCIENCE has him averaging 6.9 km/h in small circles near Bay St Louis MS.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Peter on 25 March, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
Can his body keep taking this damage for a year? He always seems to be doing more than Steve, but he's suffering injuries. I hope he is going to be okay, but I really would like to see jo's chart start to show a narrower gap between TG and Tarzan. 235 miles! I managed the Old 240, 400km event, in 23hrs. I can't imaging studying out 220-240 mile days back to back to back to back...

Kurt and Steve are doing epic rides and I couldn't get anywhere near them.  However, I, too, have done the Old 240, a few times.  I certainly couldn't string back to back rides of that nature together but I wonder if the total climbing of either Kurt or Steve throughout the year would equate to once around the Old 240.  I suspect not (and why would it?).  The Old 240 is a bit special.  But if anyone could string them together, vit would be these two competitors!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 March, 2015, 04:09:20 pm
Tarzan's tracker displaying some oddness today - looks like it fired up accidentally late last night and then scarcely moved as the ACH SCIENCE has him averaging 6.9 km/h in small circles near Bay St Louis MS.

M Le Maire, what is the URL for ACH webby science for Tarzan?  I have Steve's one, but I can't see a link on the ACH page to the Lord Greystoke.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 25 March, 2015, 04:15:01 pm
Tarzan's tracker displaying some oddness today - looks like it fired up accidentally late last night and then scarcely moved as the ACH SCIENCE has him averaging 6.9 km/h in small circles near Bay St Louis MS.

M Le Maire, what is the URL for ACH webby science for Tarzan?  I have Steve's one, but I can't see a link on the ACH page to the Lord Greystoke.

http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tarzan.html (http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tarzan.html)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tim Hall on 25 March, 2015, 04:22:23 pm
Tarzan's tracker displaying some oddness today - looks like it fired up accidentally late last night and then scarcely moved as the ACH SCIENCE has him averaging 6.9 km/h in small circles near Bay St Louis MS.

M Le Maire, what is the URL for ACH webby science for Tarzan?  I have Steve's one, but I can't see a link on the ACH page to the Lord Greystoke.

http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tarzan.html (http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tarzan.html)
Bookmarked. Ta.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 26 March, 2015, 08:36:04 am
...but I wonder if the total climbing of either Kurt or Steve throughout the year would equate to once around the Old 240.
Do you mean that as it reads?  Old 240 if I've got the right one on AUK is 6400m.  Tuesdays total for Steve was 133086m climbed and for Kurt 55088m from their Strava TYD totals so more than 20x and 8x respectively.

Did perhaps you mean will either do an Old 240 equivalent in any one day or 27 hour period in the year?  It would only happen when they take part in an event such as the PTP or RAAM, if it happened on a 'normal' day their route planner should be shot!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 09:13:59 am
All four riders, William and Miles included, will be aiming to ride at the lowest power output necessary to cover the distance. All four will have assessed their individual maximum effective and efficient speed on the flat; and hills do not enter in the planning.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 26 March, 2015, 09:50:33 am
The Wiki entry on the Natchez Trace Parkway is interesting.

Quote
The gentle sloping and curving alignment of the current route closely follows the original foot passage. Its design harkens back to the way the original interweaving trails aligned as an ancient salt-lick-to-grazing-pasture migratory route of the American Bison and other game that moved between grazing the pastures of central and western Mississippi and the salt and other mineral surface deposits of the Cumberland Plateau. The route generally traverses the tops of the low hills and ridges of the watershed divides from northeast to southwest.

Native Americans, following the "traces" of bison and other game, further improved this "walking trail" for foot-borne commerce between major villages located in middle Mississippi and central Tennessee. The route is locally circuitous; however, by traversing this route the bison, and later humans, avoided the endless, energy-taxing climbing and descending of the many hills along the way. Also avoided was the danger to a herd (or groups of human travelers) of being caught en-masse at the bottom of a hollow or valley if attacked by predators. The nature of the route, to this day, affords good all-around visibility for those who travel it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natchez_Trace_Parkway

The riders' routes are essentially 'paths of least resistance'. It would be interesting to chart them against ancient trackways.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 26 March, 2015, 11:18:20 am
and hills do not enter in the planning.
They surely do for the purpose of avoiding them.  Even Kurt who can use his battle bus to get over lumpy bits would be detrimentally affected if he didn't avoid hills due to the load-up & unload time.

I don't really understand what Peter was getting at and was trying to clarify.  They're already so massively and easily found to be over 6400m climbed.  Looked at another way if someone was looking to cover 76K miles and not go over 6400m climbed they'd need roads with gradient of less than 16 millimetres per kilometre
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: MikeH on 26 March, 2015, 11:45:15 am
Every time I see videos of Kurt on a normal bike he always has a rucksack - I've assumed it's some hydrated cab powder, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 11:51:55 am
The Wiki entry on the Natchez Trace Parkway is interesting.

Quote
The gentle sloping and curving alignment of the current route closely follows the original foot passage. Its design harkens back to the way the original interweaving trails aligned as an ancient salt-lick-to-grazing-pasture migratory route of the American Bison and other game that moved between grazing the pastures of central and western Mississippi and the salt and other mineral surface deposits of the Cumberland Plateau. The route generally traverses the tops of the low hills and ridges of the watershed divides from northeast to southwest.

Native Americans, following the "traces" of bison and other game, further improved this "walking trail" for foot-borne commerce between major villages located in middle Mississippi and central Tennessee. The route is locally circuitous; however, by traversing this route the bison, and later humans, avoided the endless, energy-taxing climbing and descending of the many hills along the way. Also avoided was the danger to a herd (or groups of human travelers) of being caught en-masse at the bottom of a hollow or valley if attacked by predators. The nature of the route, to this day, affords good all-around visibility for those who travel it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natchez_Trace_Parkway

The riders' routes are essentially 'paths of least resistance'. It would be interesting to chart them against ancient trackways.

Here's another Wiki entry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watling_Street
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 26 March, 2015, 12:24:38 pm
It's a sort of spatial analysis by experiment.

(http://www.antiqui.it/images/archeologiaquantitativa/analisispaziale5.jpg)


http://www.antiqui.it/archeologiaquantitativa/analisi%20spaziale.htm
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 12:42:19 pm
Developing a theory to explain the evidence, or manipulating the evidence to fit a theory?

Nothing to do with water sources, geographical advantages and ancient ley lines.

If you squint, you’ll get an image of a man trying to club a bull, but a mirror image of the one in the sky.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2015, 12:57:01 pm
I couldn't see Marsh Gibbon on that map.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 01:15:53 pm
I’m assessing 22 is Cirencester, so 23 is Bicester. MG is a field just E of 23.
27 is Bath and 33 is Ilchester.
The coincidence is all three of these happens to be they have a fresh water supply, so a good place to stop for filling up.
The straight line from 22 to 23 to 24 ( Cirencester, Biscester, St Albans ) doesn’t happen on the real map.

Fantasy conjecture IMHO.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 26 March, 2015, 01:18:12 pm
Quote
The area is sparsely settled with the one main settlement of Marsh Gibbon on slightly higher ground in the north. The busy A41 cuts through the lower half of the area in an east west direction. It runs along the course of Akeman Street a Roman road.

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/1976274/LCA-81-Marsh-Gibbon-Vale.pdf

For Kurt, following old native trails might provide an interesting story for local papers. Researching them might be fun, and they are likely to follow paths of least resistance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Native_American_trails_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 01:22:22 pm
While Steve follows Ley Lines, pushed along by the Collective Psychokinesis of his supporters.  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 March, 2015, 01:34:31 pm
Tarzan is less like to be troubled by Downs than Steve is.   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 March, 2015, 01:49:08 pm
Tarzan is less like to be troubled by Downs than Steve is.   ;D

Contemplates a poor-taste joke but, unusually, shows restraint.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 26 March, 2015, 01:50:34 pm
Looks like Kurt is munching the miles back up the Nachez Trail today. It looked like a blissful road to cycle on when he rode it last time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 March, 2015, 02:25:32 pm
Apparently much of central Texas is composed of what would be downs if they were in England.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 26 March, 2015, 03:18:30 pm
http://goo.gl/maps/Nx7EC

Road at random in mid Warwicksire. Just like Texas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 27 March, 2015, 06:11:47 am
Nothing posted on Strava, Facebook or Garmin Connect for the 26th from Tarzan yet. I wasn't following the SPOT yesterday, so don't know how far along the Natchez Trace he went.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HTFB on 27 March, 2015, 08:10:53 am
Tarzan is less like to be troubled by Downs than Steve is.   ;D
Contemplates a poor-taste joke but, unusually, shows restraint.
I think that one would be in too poor taste even for the Sun.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 27 March, 2015, 09:10:21 am
Developing a theory to explain the evidence, or manipulating the evidence to fit a theory?

Nothing to do with water sources, geographical advantages and ancient ley lines.

If you squint, you’ll get an image of a man trying to club a bull, but a mirror image of the one in the sky.
Odd. I see it as a horse, walking from west to east, but without a head.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 27 March, 2015, 09:15:01 am
Developing a theory to explain the evidence, or manipulating the evidence to fit a theory?

Nothing to do with water sources, geographical advantages and ancient ley lines.

If you squint, you’ll get an image of a man trying to club a bull, but a mirror image of the one in the sky.
Odd. I see it as a horse, walking from west to east, but without a head.

A bison going to the Natchez Trace.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 March, 2015, 10:40:13 am
Hmmm, still nothing on Strava or Garmin.  And Facebook is quiet.  His tracker marker was on the Natchez Trail yesterday, but I didn't follow it after seeing it fire up and head out for a little (10km).  Did anyone see his tracker move a longer way yesterday?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 27 March, 2015, 10:59:19 am
It looked like he did a straight up and down the valley. Turned at about 110 miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 27 March, 2015, 11:08:59 am
The last I saw, he was sitting at 217 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 March, 2015, 11:30:16 am
The Natchez Trace is about 440 miles long, so he could do out and back sections of about 110 miles, following the Spring North.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 27 March, 2015, 12:38:24 pm
The Spot tracker had him on 210 miles at 12.30.  North to Jackson and back to Natchez. I was guessing about 225 in total.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 27 March, 2015, 04:18:19 pm
The Natchez Trace is about 440 miles long, so he could do out and back sections of about 110 miles, following the Spring North.

And great if he can pick up a draft behind some camper van.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 March, 2015, 05:37:32 pm
Kurt still hasn't posted his miles, it seems. How much longer does he have?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 March, 2015, 05:49:49 pm
Within 24 hours of completion, according to UMCA rules.  Which would usually be around 2am UK time (but don't quote me on that, as I'm not master of transatlantic time differences).

He is mobile today, based on his tracker, so thankfully it doesn't look like anything untoward has happened to him personally.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 27 March, 2015, 06:07:47 pm
Kurt doesn't need to post to Strava or Garmin within 24 hrs, the rules state that ride data be posted to the UMCA within 24 hrs.

It's possible to have your Garmin set to autoload to the Garmin connect site whenever it is connected to your PC or Laptop. Also in Strava you can also set it to allow auto syncing with the Garmin connect site as well.

This makes everything so easy and apart from plugging in your Garmin you basically have to do nothing else.

It makes you wonder if he has a pc problem. Has anyone seen any facebook updates recently either?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 March, 2015, 06:10:36 pm
Good distinction.

Looking at UMCA HAM'R leaderboard, the 26/3 entry is also missing for Kurt.  Albeit this may simply reflect a delay in making the result public by UMCA rather than a delay in them receiving the information.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 March, 2015, 06:41:13 pm
It was the UMCA spreadsheet I was looking at.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 27 March, 2015, 07:02:01 pm
From Kurt's Facebook a few minutes ago...

Quote
No internet last night and sketchy now through Louisiana.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 27 March, 2015, 07:08:04 pm
From Kurt's Facebook a few minutes ago...

Quote
No internet last night and sketchy now through Louisiana.

Do I see another adjustment of the rules coming to allow for poor internet coverage? Or are participants supposed to think of this possibility when they choose routing options?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 March, 2015, 07:43:24 pm
Rules need to be applied with a dollop of common sense. With all the best will in the world, when you try to develop a set of rules for an event which has never had any before, then this is the sort of thing that will emerge and would not have been considered by the rules committee. It's far more reasonable to relax this rule for someone who has cycled into a signal free zone that, for example, to make a great song and dance about a photo including a bottle of wine.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 March, 2015, 08:00:05 pm
Only the UMCA knows, but I'd like to think they are pragmatic enough to flex the Rules. 

It would by very cnuty (anag.) to strike out (or seek to have struck out) miles ridden because of this kind of infraction, if reasonable efforts were made to submit the information and it is done as soon as possible once the "barrier" is removed. 

It is not unknown for such a pragmatic approach to be followed occasionally in AUK, should (for example) postal returns (e.g. perm brevets) not be submitted within the recommended timescale.  But then, AUK is stuffed to the rafters of sensible people.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 March, 2015, 08:36:06 pm
It would be a pity if Kurt was forced to ride in built-up areas. I think it's a useful side-effect of the OYTT to highlight quiet areas to ride. I was aware of the Natchez Trace thanks to a 1500k held there, and I know it lacks services.

Quote
Are you looking for a long ride on a well maintained road? Do you want to ride where there aren’t any trucks, where any traffic nicely gives you at least three feet or more of space? In fact, do you want a road where the occasional car seems like it’s out of place, like “why is that car on my bike path?” Are you looking for a relatively flat ride where you never have to move out of your large chainring?

I’ve got the ride for you! You need to ride on the Natchez Trace Parkway.

http://blog.randonneursontario.ca/?p=430
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 27 March, 2015, 08:55:52 pm
Only the UMCA knows, but I'd like to think they are pragmatic enough to flex the Rules. 

It would by very cnuty (anag.) to strike out (or seek to have struck out) miles ridden because of this kind of infraction, if reasonable efforts were made to submit the information and it is done as soon as possible once the "barrier" is removed. 

It is not unknown for such a pragmatic approach to be followed occasionally in AUK, should (for example) postal returns (e.g. perm brevets) not be submitted within the recommended timescale.  But then, AUK is stuffed to the rafters of sensible people.

It needs a system where the rider can continue riding and tracking and upload two days (or more) in one go if he can't find a suitable connection every day. I don't know the technical complications but surely it should be possible. Does he need to phone or text the UMCA to inform them of the lack of internet cover?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 March, 2015, 09:01:45 pm
Why relax the rule? He signed up for it and it isn't THAT difficult to get a phone signal in the USA. He needs to kit himself up to post the track every day, as he is supposed to. Otherwise, the penalty should be applied.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 27 March, 2015, 09:01:54 pm
Yahbut if he can phone the UMCA, he could upload the tracklog by ZMODEM...  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 27 March, 2015, 09:15:53 pm
Why relax the rule? He signed up for it and it isn't THAT difficult to get a phone signal in the USA. He needs to kit himself up to post the track every day, as he is supposed to. Otherwise, the penalty should be applied.
I agree with this. Kurt is choosing his routes and while there may be a lack of 4G or similar signals, if there is a phone line, then you can upload.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 27 March, 2015, 09:34:19 pm
He's also got a support vehicle and support crew member in attendance. He can presumably make the call whether he'd prefer them to remain in attendance on him, or go off in search of internet access: google suggests there's no shortage of motels with public wifi close(ish) to his route.

That said, I'm with Hillbilly and Wow in thinking some pragmatism rather than overly strict application of the rules is appropriate, especially given that his moves are still being recorded by the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 March, 2015, 09:37:12 pm
You are being too soft. There isn't anything actually stopping Kurt's ride being posted, other than the 'can't be arsed' factor of needing to do something different from his normal routine to make it happen.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 27 March, 2015, 09:45:23 pm
Maybe - but I look in the mirror and apply an enormous CBA correction factor before making too many criticisms. I'm also minded to be softer on the non-core parts: while the electromagic bits of this challenge are important, it's the riding that's the real achievement.

(And of course it's dead easy to work out where offers public internet access if you're sitting in front of a computer which already has internet access - slightly harder if you're not. Mind you, finding a motel and asking shouldn't be overly taxing.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 27 March, 2015, 09:48:34 pm
If you want to gain the advantage of being able to move around the country with a camper van in tow, rather than being tied to the latitude of your house for a year, the price you pay is having to find internet access.

Perhaps we should adjust the rules if any of the riders' skin creams are found to contain PEDs?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: michaelo on 27 March, 2015, 10:05:30 pm
If he can post a Facebook message that says he's struggling for wifi/signal, then he can post a ride, surely?!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 27 March, 2015, 10:22:21 pm
If he can post a Facebook message that says he's struggling for wifi/signal, then he can post a ride, surely?!

He has 24hrs, as I understand the rules.
He can do it however he damn well likes within that time frame, and doesn't need to please anybody's preferences how it's done.
Outside of the 24hrs, he has a problem, as I understand the rules.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 March, 2015, 10:25:23 pm
Probably.

Crumbs, I'm surprised there are so many getting angsty about a dropped stitch in the rich tapestry that this challenge is.

It will no doubt be sorted by the time I wake Before sunrise for  a wee pootle to the Kent coast. 8)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 March, 2015, 10:30:43 pm
You are reading angst into a discussion that doesn't have it. Rules should be bent or set aside for a worthwhile reason. Not being bothered to go out of your way isn't a worthwhile reason.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrinklyLion on 27 March, 2015, 10:34:59 pm
But no rule has been bent or set aside in this case, as I understand it?  Since they have 24 hours to upload the data and that hasn't passed.

Similarly, if Steve wanted to he could not upload his tracks when he finishes riding and then do it the following day.  The internet might implode with the suspense thobut.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 27 March, 2015, 10:39:54 pm
It'll come good.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 27 March, 2015, 10:41:25 pm
But no rule has been bent or set aside in this case, as I understand it?  Since they have 24 hours to upload the data and that hasn't passed.

Quite. I can't see what the problem is.
Maybe he can't be arsed. Big deal. He only needs to satisfy UMCA, not anybody else.
I can't imagine he's likely to let a days riding go.

And if he comes on and asks for a rule change after 24hrs...then that's a different ball game completely.
Until that time it's a non issue.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 March, 2015, 01:12:53 am
He's also got a support vehicle and support crew member in attendance. He can presumably make the call whether he'd prefer them to remain in attendance on him, or go off in search of internet access: google suggests there's no shortage of motels with public wifi close(ish) to his route.

Just about any branch of The Scottish Restaurant has wi-fi these days.  Back in the opening overs of the Third Millennium it was way less hassle to buy a cup of coffee and use their network than struggle (ATH) with the antediluvian (ATDT) Compuserve dial-up alternative back (NO CARRIER) at the (LOUD SCREAMING; SORRY, WARREN, YOUR LAPTOP JUST FELL OUT THE WINDOW) motel.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 28 March, 2015, 05:48:41 am
#storminateacup

Rides public. And decent mileage too (but not compared to Steve's massive turn yesterday. Huzzah).

Pedants can now commence poring over whether they were submitted within 24 hours of the stipulated time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nethypete on 28 March, 2015, 08:41:48 am


Just about any branch of The Scottish Restaurant has wi-fi these days.

THERE is NOTHING SCOTTISH about that particular chain  >:( >:( >:(. And I would walk a 500 miles to avoid that golden arch...and I would walk 500 more. No McHaggis, neeps and tatties or a bridie in sight.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 March, 2015, 09:48:45 am


Just about any branch of The Scottish Restaurant has wi-fi these days.

THERE is NOTHING SCOTTISH about that particular chain  >:( >:( >:(. And I would walk a 500 miles to avoid that golden arch...and I would walk 500 more. No McHaggis, neeps and tatties or a bridie in sight.

My work here is done 8)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 28 March, 2015, 11:56:27 am
#storminateacup

Rides public. And decent mileage too (but not compared to Steve's massive turn yesterday. Huzzah).

Pedants can now commence poring over whether they were submitted within 24 hours of the stipulated time.

Thank you - and if you had posted with the mileage and the time it was posted at it would perhaps have been greatly appreciated. Do I have to sign up to Strava to find that out? (Which makes little sense since I have no intention of posting my rides to Strava or even logging them digitally).

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Oaky on 28 March, 2015, 12:45:21 pm


Just about any branch of The Scottish Restaurant has wi-fi these days.

THERE is NOTHING SCOTTISH about that particular chain  >:( >:( >:(. And I would walk a 500 miles to avoid that golden arch...and I would walk 500 more. No McHaggis, neeps and tatties or a bridie in sight.


and... they don't even deep fry the burgers!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: nextSibling on 28 March, 2015, 01:06:19 pm
it isn't THAT difficult to get a phone signal in the USA
You might be surprised. Outside of urban areas it certainly still can be. Have a look here - http://opensignal.com/networks/usa/verizon-coverage (http://opensignal.com/networks/usa/verizon-coverage) - zoom in a bit and see the holes expand. And I linked to the Verizon map because they're arguably regarded as having the best coverage, nationwide.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 28 March, 2015, 01:12:33 pm
Perhaps I should have written phone, rather than signal. Land lines work. If a native USA-ian is travelling in his own country and needs to connect to the internet each day, he needs to do whatever needs to be done to ensure that happens.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 28 March, 2015, 06:06:46 pm
Perhaps I should have written phone, rather than signal. Land lines work. If a native USA-ian is travelling in his own country and needs to connect to the internet each day, he needs to do whatever needs to be done to ensure that happens.

Indeed.  Given the availability of a support person and motor vehicle, a satellite phone is probably overkill, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to have a POTS modem and dialup account on standby just in case.  (I'm vaguely aware that vast swathes of the rural US are broadband-impaired, also).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Oaky on 28 March, 2015, 06:41:23 pm
Acoustic couplers!  With those he could probably upload the gpx files nearly as quickly as he rode them.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 28 March, 2015, 07:09:02 pm
My word. I recall using an acoustic coupler to connect the teletype in our "computer lab" at school to the mainframes at Leicester University (CDC Cyber 72) and County Hall (Univac 1100) in 1978.

Makes I feel very old...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 28 March, 2015, 07:33:17 pm
#storminateacup

Rides public. And decent mileage too (but not compared to Steve's massive turn yesterday. Huzzah).

Pedants can now commence poring over whether they were submitted within 24 hours of the stipulated time.

Thank you - and if you had posted with the mileage and the time it was posted at it would perhaps have been greatly appreciated. Do I have to sign up to Strava to find that out? (Which makes little sense since I have no intention of posting my rides to Strava or even logging them digitally).

Yes, you have to sign up to Strava.
You don't have to upload rides to join Strava, you can do it for the purpose of watching Steve's progress.
It really isn't hard.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 28 March, 2015, 07:50:37 pm
My word. I recall using an acoustic coupler to connect the teletype in our "computer lab" at school to the mainframes at Leicester University (CDC Cyber 72) and County Hall (Univac 1100) in 1978.

Makes I feel very old...

Barakta's textphone has acoustic couplers (as well as a direct connection to analogue phone line).  In Baudot mode it can just barely keep up with her typing.  They're still making them; current models don't even use NiCad batteries!

Our-favourite-telco launched their internet-based alternative to such vintage tech last October.  It sort-of works, though I'm not sure anyone's worked out how to use it yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Oaky on 28 March, 2015, 10:58:52 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for El Dorado!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 29 March, 2015, 02:30:12 am
242 miles on the tracker at 1.20am
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 29 March, 2015, 03:37:33 am
245.6mi @19.8mph with over 6k of climbing. A very strong day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 29 March, 2015, 05:44:40 am
I think we can read into those stats that he noticed Steve's ride on Friday and wanted to make it clear that he could match it and more. 

His average moving speed was 20% or so higher than Steve. Some of that will be the recumbent and he probably chose a route based on wind direction but, and I rarely use this emoticon,  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 March, 2015, 08:25:19 am
Indeed. It's why he chose to start 10 days behind Steve, and what he has to do.

Steve's last 7 days have returned 1488.3 miles, which is pretty much exactly what he needs to keep up for the rest of the year as an average. In the same period, Kurt has done 1558.6, 10 miles a day more. At that rate, Kurt would overtake Steve on 12th July or thereabouts.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 29 March, 2015, 10:32:12 am
245.6mi @19.8mph with over 6k of climbing. A very strong day.

A-s-t-o-u-n-d-i-n-g-!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 29 March, 2015, 12:46:20 pm
Indeed. It's why he chose to start 10 days behind Steve, and what he has to do.

Steve's last 7 days have returned 1488.3 miles, which is pretty much exactly what he needs to keep up for the rest of the year as an average. In the same period, Kurt has done 1558.6, 10 miles a day more. At that rate, Kurt would overtake Steve on 12th July or thereabouts.

Go Steve!

Although I do note on the Strava weekl overviews that the gap in mileage difference per week is decreasing. If I remember correctly, there have already been weeks where Steve logged more miles as Kurt. So I don't think that 12th of july is the date where Kurt will overtake Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 02:17:26 pm
Awesome ride from Kurt, I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him. Time for Kurt to put in a another massive day whilst Steve recovers from sleep dep.

GO TARZAN
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 29 March, 2015, 02:25:46 pm
I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him.

This is conjecture. In the circumstances, neither appropriate nor welcome. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 02:49:50 pm
I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him.

This is conjecture. In the circumstances, neither appropriate nor welcome. Let's wait and see.

Regardless, there's no shame in saying enough is enough, tomorrow is another day and getting a lift back to the hosts house in Exeter. He could of have got a good six/seven hour kip and then be cooking on the way to the East Coast.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 29 March, 2015, 02:56:35 pm
I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him.
GO TARZAN

I hope this is not the case and he'll be back on the bike again shortly... That said, I do have to question the logic of riding headlong into the wind for 15 hours straight. It seems the better option would be to ride loops on such days. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 03:05:25 pm
I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him.
GO TARZAN

I hope this is not the case and he'll be back on the bike again shortly... That said, I do have to question the logic of riding headlong into the wind for 15 hours straight. It seems the better option would be to ride loops on such days.

Careful Jacamo, making a valid point giving constructive criticism will more than likely get you flamed by Steve's clique that he has on here.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tim Hall on 29 March, 2015, 03:08:47 pm
Perhaps I should have written phone, rather than signal. Land lines work. If a native USA-ian is travelling in his own country and needs to connect to the internet each day, he needs to do whatever needs to be done to ensure that happens.

Indeed.  Given the availability of a support person and motor vehicle, a satellite phone is probably overkill, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to have a POTS modem and dialup account on standby just in case.  (I'm vaguely aware that vast swathes of the rural US are broadband-impaired, also).

Mods, pls to start a new board: Tarzan's modem init strings. kthxbai.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 29 March, 2015, 03:16:31 pm
LMT,

I don't understand why you post such negative and inflammatory stuff.   You are one of a very very small minority who is clearly not supporting and applauding the efforts of both riders, but instead have nailed your colours to the mast and will troll away regardless.  It's really quite unpleasant and spoils what is otherwise an amicable and pleasant internet place to be.

Please be more thoughtful when posting in the future.     
 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 29 March, 2015, 03:21:24 pm
LMT isn't trolling, just pointing out some facts, albeit in a manner that some don't appreciate.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 29 March, 2015, 03:22:54 pm
Anyone who uses "could of have got" should be on an ignore list anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 29 March, 2015, 03:24:50 pm
LMT isn't trolling, just pointing out some facts,

You confuse facts with opinions.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 29 March, 2015, 03:28:23 pm
You only have to read his response to Jacamo's post to understand his underlying intent IMO.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 29 March, 2015, 03:32:35 pm
To some extent, LMT is correct in this instance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 29 March, 2015, 03:37:50 pm
Just because (some of) what he says is correct doesn't mean that the manner in which he says (some of) it isn't trollish.

And I don't think I've seen anything to suggest
Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him.
is fact rather than speculation. "An incident on the A38" could mean many things.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 03:37:57 pm
LMT,

I don't understand why you post such negative and inflammatory stuff.   You are one of a very very small minority who is clearly not supporting and applauding the efforts of both riders, but instead have nailed your colours to the mast and will troll away regardless.  It's really quite unpleasant and spoils what is otherwise an amicable and pleasant internet place to be.

Please be more thoughtful when posting in the future.     

I've made no such comments at all and I wish both riders the very best regarding this record. Unlike some others on here that have somehow felt that Kurt has gatecrashed ( for want of a better word ) Steve's attempt and have had sly dig after sly dig at his manners and approach regarding the weather, terrain and the fact that he's using a bent.

Pointing out and giving constructive criticism is not the same as trolling and ironically is sometimes what you need when taking on a record of this magnitude. And AFAIK the only times I've made such comments on Steve's attempt have been with respect to signing up to the UMCA rules to get his ride ratified in the thread that FB set up, comments in the same thread regarding his strategy of doing out and back rides when I would have been doing circuits around MK, and here and now with respect to his sleep dep, you don't need to be residing at Baker Street to realise that riding the way he rode yesterday will exhaust the system and it needs to recover, and perhaps I am being unfair here but it is up to his crew to say no, you need some more rest. I hope to see Steve at the G&Y fields audax where I will wish him all the best.

But I admire Tarzan more, his sprit and sense of humour when faced with challenge after challenge through lack of planning has endeared me to him, as well as his daily videos on FB, therefore:-

GO TARZAN

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 29 March, 2015, 03:38:55 pm
To some extent, LMT is correct in this instance.

I was out all day yesterday on The Dean so I had no idea where Steve had been until this morning.
I must admit, when I saw he was returning from the South West today I almost did a double take and thought OMG, that trip must have been bloody awful, a relentless onslaught without a minute's peace.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 03:44:39 pm
Anyone who uses "could of have got" should be on an ignore list anyway  ;D

And those that feel the need to point out typo's to make a point should be banned.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 29 March, 2015, 03:48:01 pm
 ;D

There there.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 29 March, 2015, 03:48:16 pm
Anyone who uses "could of have got" should be on an ignore list anyway  ;D

And those that feel the need to point out typo's to make a point should be banned.

That was unfortunate ...
</pedant>
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 03:51:29 pm
Anyone who uses "could of have got" should be on an ignore list anyway  ;D

And those that feel the need to point out typo's to make a point should be banned.

That was unfortunate ...
</pedant>

i was being ironic.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 29 March, 2015, 03:53:07 pm
To some extent, LMT is correct in this instance.

Yes he is!  Slogging away into a headwind & covering a relatively short distance for the time &.effort used is wasteful.  Hopefully it's a lesson learned & hopefully nothing serious has happened today & he's getting some much needed rest. 

Allez  Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 29 March, 2015, 03:59:19 pm
Kurt's latest Facebook video gives an insight into what he lugs around in his backpack.

(click to show/hide)

I'm going to guess that a backpack is preferred to a saddle bag because the former can be more aero, even if it interferes with temperature regulation.

Kurt's occasional insights into his attempt are rather engaging.  Make's his daily effort a we bit more tangible.

<Edited to correct for relationship status of his Crew Chief>
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Glover Fan on 29 March, 2015, 06:49:54 pm
... I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him. ...

Feeling smug now?  ::-)
With respect, that was posted yesterday.

It's terrible what has happened to Steve today. I'm sure we all wish him the best.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 29 March, 2015, 06:56:51 pm
... I'm afraid Steve's pride in spending 6 hours riding 50 miles in a 30mph headwind has come back to haunt him. ...

Feeling smug now?  ::-)
With respect, that was posted yesterday.

Well, no, it wasn't: "Quote from: LMT on Today at 02:17:26 PM" suggests otherwise.

LMT was talking about Steve's (at the time unexplained) short ride and early finish, and was challenged about it looking a bit snide - phrasing like 'pride' and 'haunt him' does look a bit premature now. His comments about the wisdom of flogging into a headwind for little gain are another matter.

Quote
It's terrible what has happened to Steve today. I'm sure we all wish him the best.

Quite.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 29 March, 2015, 07:49:13 pm
Well out of the 3 challengers there's one left. No pressure then Kurt!  ; )
I suspect that this ain't over yet.......
Good luck to anyone who is dedicated enough to spend a year of their life riding the OYTT.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 29 March, 2015, 09:21:18 pm
Lets just hope that Kurt (and any other riders) stay accident free out there.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2015, 09:27:49 pm
Lets just hope that Kurt (and any other riders) stay accident free out there.

Indeed, I wish Kurt a trouble free year and the same for Miles when he starts on the 11th? of April.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: runsoncake on 29 March, 2015, 10:05:32 pm
This from Kurts' FB page:-

"A sad day for our British rider in the HAM'R attempt. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you Steven Abraham for a speedy recovery."

What a nice bloke!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 29 March, 2015, 10:17:27 pm
I wonder if Steve's likely absence for several weeks will cause Kurt to alter his riding.

He could afford to ease up a touch, although he is still below the required average.

If I was him, I would be looking to press home the advantage to make myself totally out of reach by the time Steve might return.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 29 March, 2015, 10:25:43 pm
If I was him, I would be looking to press home the advantage to make myself totally out of reach by the time Steve might return.

I would expect that Kurt, being a competitive sort by all accounts, will try to set a benchmark that Miles will struggle to overtake.  It must be a strange situation for him, given his racing background.  Or not.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: michaelo on 29 March, 2015, 10:29:39 pm
The follower becomes the followed...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 29 March, 2015, 10:41:00 pm
If I was him, I would be looking to press home the advantage to make myself totally out of reach by the time Steve might return.

I would expect that Kurt, being a competitive sort by all accounts, will try to set a benchmark that Miles will struggle to overtake.  It must be a strange situation for him, given his racing background.  Or not.  Time will tell.

The part of this that gets interesting was always there before Steve's RTA, how Kurt would react to having another rider in his age category and who was chasing his figures. If the two go at this seriously we might see a benchmark placed very high indeed. Just hope that there are no more idiots (motorised or otherwise) on the road keeping a rdv with the HAM'R
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 30 March, 2015, 12:00:10 am
I know nothing about Miles, but I reckon Kurt won't exactly ignore him, but will wait to see if his bid proves to be the real deal.

The only guy who Kurt knows to be a proper handful is Steve.

It's harsh, but when such a capable opponent is down, you have to make sure he's out as well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 March, 2015, 12:11:40 am
... a donkey-felching baboon...

I may have to borrow that...

But under no circumstances change it to Gibbon!  >:(  ;)

I think it's far to early to think about what's going to happen with any resumption of Steve's challenge. I hope he can resume some time, but even if the rules are amended to allow time out for injury (I can't see how that's reasonable, tbh, given that "injury" could be a wear-and-tear injury), I suspect that Steve, being the purist he is, would want to emulate Tommy Godwin and keep it to a calendar year.

This is almost certainly the wrong thread for this but, given the value of wild speculation on this (or any other) forum for that matter, it might be worth starting one for dealing with such things.

FWIW there are also cretins over on Strava making completely unwarranted digs against Steve. I have, for the first time, clicked beneath Kurt's most recent ride record and commented, wishing him well and signing off "a pal of Steve's".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 30 March, 2015, 12:20:23 am
... a donkey-felching baboon...

I may have to borrow that...

But under no circumstances change it to Gibbon!  >:(  ;)


Of course not!  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 30 March, 2015, 12:21:35 am
there are also cretins over on Strava making completely unwarranted digs against Steve.

Do they do green script on Strava?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 30 March, 2015, 12:26:54 am
This from Kurts' FB page:-

"A sad day for our British rider in the HAM'R attempt. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you Steven Abraham for a speedy recovery."

What a nice bloke!

It does seem entirely typical  - Kurt comes across as a very tough competitor, and a lovely bloke.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: La Tortue on 30 March, 2015, 03:03:27 am
My heart goes out to Steve , his team, and avid followers.   This news really sucks.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 30 March, 2015, 12:57:55 pm
211 miles from Tarzan yesterday, awesome riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 30 March, 2015, 02:45:11 pm
211 miles from Tarzan yesterday, awesome riding.

Looking back at his last fortnight, it looks par rather than awesome.

The 234 and 245 days were awesome.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 30 March, 2015, 02:56:16 pm
Par  ::-) crack on eh

Should surpass Bruce Berkleys record from January
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 30 March, 2015, 03:23:27 pm
Kurt had indicated he was going to do the Texas RAAM Challenge (at least, it was in his "events").  That took place on 28 March without a certain blonde haired junglist in the starting line up. 

I wonder if this suggests that he is now planning on dropping RAAM from his schedule of events to avoid it distracting from the task at hand.

The next event in his list is Bessies Creek 24 (in Texas) on 9 April, with another Texas based event on the 24th.  There is another listed in California, but I am going to guess that he won't trek up there for that (but what do I know).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 30 March, 2015, 05:53:16 pm
Classy new photo on Kurt's FB homepage  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 30 March, 2015, 05:53:50 pm
Link?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 30 March, 2015, 05:57:36 pm
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11109819_1596249450616762_1238194992311688256_o.png)

Say what you want about him and his attempt, he comes across as a decent chap and that's more than good enough for me.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 30 March, 2015, 06:11:31 pm
It's not just a photo, it's his Facebook page banner (i.e. the photo that goes along the top).  Really nice gesture.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 30 March, 2015, 06:38:11 pm
Heart of England. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 30 March, 2015, 07:27:11 pm
I'm warmed by just now much of a gentleman Kurt has shown himself to be.  A class act indeed.

Good luck Kurt.

GWS Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 30 March, 2015, 07:46:08 pm
I like LEE's avatar text - "Let's stop overusing the word "Awesome"".

Better still, let's stop using it altogether.  Possible exceptions: Aurora Borealis (Australis); Grand Canyon; The Second Coming (of TG, who did you think I meant?).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 30 March, 2015, 08:08:41 pm
when in the US recently there was an ad for some telecom company with the tag line, "its the future of awesome"  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 30 March, 2015, 08:12:15 pm
http://www.lyricsontop.com/tegan-and-sara-the-lonely-island-songs/everything-is-awesome-lyrics.html

and you know it.  Read the lyrics and think how it may apply to Steve's challenge over the past 3 months.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: C-3PO on 30 March, 2015, 08:14:28 pm
Masters and Mistresses

Several posts have been removed from this thread for lack of excellence. Further transgressions might result in a spell in the Cooler. Please note that support for a rider does not have to include "dissing" another, and that anyone attempting such feats of endurance does not need an army of keyboard warriors bristling at perceived slights.


I remain your humble shiny servant


C-3PO
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2015, 08:21:54 pm
Never mind that, is the fight still on?   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jurek on 30 March, 2015, 08:25:36 pm
 ;D
I know, I shouldnt've  :-[
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 30 March, 2015, 09:17:42 pm
211 miles from Tarzan yesterday, awesome riding.

Looking back at his last fortnight, it looks par rather than awesome.

The 234 and 245 days were awesome.

Yes, must admit, I thought the same. 211 is an average for both these riders hitherto...beyond the scope of most of us of course, but near enough an average for them as far the challenge is concerned.

If it's awesome today or yesterday, it's awesome everyday.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 30 March, 2015, 09:21:01 pm
AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 30 March, 2015, 09:22:45 pm
AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!

¿que?  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: PAC on 30 March, 2015, 09:30:50 pm
AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!

¿que?  ???
Used the awesome word ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: nuttycyclist on 30 March, 2015, 09:36:19 pm
Classy new photo on Kurt's FB homepage  :thumbsup:

It's not just a photo, it's his Facebook page banner (i.e. the photo that goes along the top).  Really nice gesture.

I didn't know of Kurt before this.   I was following the challenge just because I'd ridden with Steve before and knew he had the capability to succeed in his plans.   I'd seen comments re Kurt just duplicating Steve's mileage and having 10 days to then up the game to take the title, and I'd seen comments re the difference in locations/weather/climbing.     Yes they did sway me a little, but not to any extent that I would publicly echo them.  They had simply set a perception in my mind.

This gesture, as well as things I've seen over the last 3 months, has just made me click the like button on Kurt's page.    I don't really 'do' facebook and this is only one of the handful of times this year I've clicked the like button.



GWS Steve, you WILL have a second bite at the cherry.
Go Tarzan - good luck.

And both of you, thank you for re-kindling the huge competition and spirit of long distance cycling that Tommy was a part of all those years ago.     (Thank goodness Tommy didn't have to put up with internet trolls.    Now, let's all be nice to one another.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Datameister on 30 March, 2015, 09:38:24 pm
This gesture, as well as things I've seen over the last 3 months, has just made me click the like button on Kurt's page.

Now, let's all be nice to one another.

+1 to both of the points above
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 31 March, 2015, 06:37:13 am
Almost four hundred clicks. That's truly fearsome.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 31 March, 2015, 09:17:33 am
Almost four hundred clicks. That's truly fearsome.

 ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 March, 2015, 11:41:05 am
I heard 'Nutbush City Limits' on the radio, and wondered how you'd get to 'Highway Number 19' from Little Rock. Probably via Memphis, as the Mississippi has relatively few crossings.
It's interesting to connect the fragments of geography that I know through popular song into a coherent view of a region.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 31 March, 2015, 11:47:46 am
Almost four hundred clicks. That's truly fearsome.

Strewth!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 31 March, 2015, 01:58:31 pm
Almost four hundred clicks. That's truly fearsome.

Strava has 213.2 miles https://www.strava.com/activities/276714715
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 March, 2015, 02:24:13 pm
I heard 'Nutbush City Limits' on the radio, and wondered how you'd get to 'Highway Number 19' from Little Rock. Probably via Memphis, as the Mississippi has relatively few crossings.
It's interesting to connect the fragments of geography that I know through popular song into a coherent view of a region.

I don't think he's been Walking Riding into Clarksdale yet, but if he does he'll be at the Crossroads.  Whether he got up in the morning and hit that Highway 49 is not recorded but the locals might yet put some bleachers out in the sun on Highway 61.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 31 March, 2015, 09:49:50 pm
Tarzan will soon have Miles Smith for virtual company on the HAM'R road.  So we can't stop this thing Steve started.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: paul851 on 01 April, 2015, 08:00:59 am
215.8 miles for Tarzan yesterday mainly around Little Rock .
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jefmcg on 01 April, 2015, 09:49:08 am
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215.8 miles for Tarzan yesterday mainly around Little Rock .

If we are doing songs .....
Two little girls from Little Rock (http://bit.ly/1EBXI0m)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5uxkq_two-little-girls-from-little-rock_shortfilms


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pingu on 01 April, 2015, 10:03:08 am
Hey, farmer! How do you get to Little Rock?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 03 April, 2015, 09:15:24 am
Perfect conditions for Kurt yesterday - a bit surprised he didn't clock even more miles.

Strong tailwind all day and very flat.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686 (https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686)


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 03 April, 2015, 10:16:06 am
he's probably kicking back a bit now there's no pressure from Steve...good luck to him he seems a good bloke, but it's hard to stay interested now  :'(
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 03 April, 2015, 11:17:32 am
he's probably kicking back a bit now there's no pressure from Steve...good luck to him he seems a good bloke
Mad isn't it, metronomic turns of ~210 then on a fair day 219 miles does seem like he's kicked back.  Keep it up Kurt, only your lousy luck to beat now.

Quote from: Laid Back Rich
but it's hard to stay interested now  :'(
Only 8 days to Miles starts, that should help with the interest 'till Steve is all patched up.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 03 April, 2015, 11:21:16 am
This will be the hardest part mentally I'd think for Kurt. He doesn't have a pacemaker to give a short term aim, he's well ahead of Tommy Godwin's progress, but still has most of the year to go.

Hopefully he'll keep churning out the distances though :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 03 April, 2015, 11:29:35 am
Wishing him very well.
Admiration is ongoing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 April, 2015, 12:51:01 pm
This will be the hardest part mentally I'd think for Kurt. He doesn't have a pacemaker to give a short term aim, he's well ahead of Tommy Godwin's progress, but still has most of the year to go.

Hopefully he'll keep churning out the distances though :)

I think you are right. As a racer, he's always got someone to beat. He's also got the decidedly seasonal nature of US weather to deal with, and although he's done pretty amazingly well so far, the summer heat, autumn storms and what could be a sudden descent into the winter some time in November makes me think he'll be back in Florida once the hurricane season is over, but well before Christmas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 03 April, 2015, 02:27:58 pm
Perfect conditions for Kurt yesterday - a bit surprised he didn't clock even more miles.

Strong tailwind all day and very flat.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686 (https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686)

Video up on Facebook, a day of issues it seems,
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 03 April, 2015, 03:10:10 pm
Anyone else looking at this every so often and shaking their head in disbelief of what Kurt is achieving?

Hats off to him.

H

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 03 April, 2015, 04:04:57 pm
Perfect conditions for Kurt yesterday - a bit surprised he didn't clock even more miles.

Strong tailwind all day and very flat.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686 (https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/735694686)

Video up on Facebook, a day of issues it seems,



The video is of day 82, it was day 83 that he had the perfect conditions.

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

Quote from Kurt for Day 83

Quote
Great Tailwind ride to MO State Line.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 03 April, 2015, 04:54:06 pm
Ah ok
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Graeme on 03 April, 2015, 05:56:16 pm
Anyone else looking at this every so often and shaking their head in disbelief of what Kurt is achieving?

Hats off to him.

H

+1
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 April, 2015, 06:11:08 pm
He is doing amazingly. It scarcely seems fair that he's achieving pretty well everything he is and many of us are just taking a cursory glance every so often. When Steve was bashing out the miles I had their respective trackers open in my Chrome window all the time. I think I've checked about 3 times in the past 6 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 04 April, 2015, 07:22:42 am
I just noticed that, after yesterdsay's 221 miles, his daily average is now 204 miles - hes on track with Tommy.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 04 April, 2015, 08:14:53 am
He's making very good progress, but not quite on par with Tommy yet. Tommy rode with an annual average of 205.6 miles per day, Kurt is currently on 204.2. Kurt will match that when his progress line on the OYTT visualization hits the thick horizontal line on the chart.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 April, 2015, 11:39:55 am
355 km yesterday so he's not slacking off.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 04 April, 2015, 12:48:08 pm
His average speeds are breathtaking.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 04 April, 2015, 04:49:47 pm
His average speeds are breathtaking.

Please don't interpret this as anything other than admiration for the phenomenon that Kurt is, but ...

Imagine if you could combine his speed with TG's mental ability to suffer so long on the bike each day.  Maybe in a hundred years we'll see such a man and the record for all time will be set.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: runsoncake on 04 April, 2015, 06:44:03 pm
Astonishing stuff, especially considering his equipment attrition rate. I wish him well for the rest of the year.

But I think he may have trouble now that Steve will be lying down to ride, he won't even need to get off it  to sleep, think of all the time he'll save not going home :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 04 April, 2015, 09:23:49 pm
Kurt has a new video on facebook titled 'I want to ride my trike'.

To me it sounded like Alicia was getting a trike but

at 20 secs he says 'then I can use the trike' in response to Alicia but I can't make out what he says after that until he says about 'going to Texas to see it' .

Any ideas what he said ?

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 04 April, 2015, 11:20:44 pm
Refers to the fact Steve is getting a trike and therefore Kurt is feeling left out :D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 05 April, 2015, 08:03:02 am
Refers to the fact Steve is getting a trike and therefore Kurt is feeling left out :D

Sounds like Alicia's getting one too She also has a broken ankle.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 05 April, 2015, 08:48:14 am
I took it to be a light-hearted piss take of Steve's plans.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 05 April, 2015, 09:46:01 am
I took it to be a light-hearted piss take of Steve's plans.

H

I think there was a sizeable element of that too.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 05 April, 2015, 10:33:05 pm
Kurt appears to have had two lengthy motorised transfers today taking well over 3 hours out of  his cycling time.  That's unless his tracker is on the blink again.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 April, 2015, 09:08:54 am
He's uploaded three separate wossnames to Strava but it looks to have been a very low-mileage day by his standards.  Nobbut 181 km :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 06 April, 2015, 09:27:43 am
http://www.littlerockzoo.com/animals

Right down on the bottom row. They look so glum,,,, without Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jack_P on 06 April, 2015, 11:02:58 am
He earned a rest day after a solid block of 21 days over 200 miles  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 06 April, 2015, 07:31:15 pm
Looks like a proper week of weather in the panhandle. Severe storms with increasing tornado threat. Becoming hot, humid and windy ahead of the 'Dry Line'.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 07 April, 2015, 03:28:51 am
220.4 today.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 07 April, 2015, 10:06:03 am
I love it. Kurt does 220 miles at an average of 18 mph and then posts of Facebook saying "slow day - but got my 220.". I'd like that as a slow day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 07 April, 2015, 12:18:32 pm
Brilliant stuff Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 10 April, 2015, 01:53:30 pm
No comments about Kurt's ride yesterday?

He did 240 miles at an average speed of 20.1 mph with an average heartrate of 86 bpm. Even if wind was involved, that is a hugely impressive bit of athleticism squeezed in after 89 days of riding.

As they like to say over on Strava: Kudos.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 10 April, 2015, 04:09:09 pm
I have a look at his tracker and FB pages every day.  The videos are great at showing the landscape he's riding in as well as being a really good insight into how he's dealing with the challenge.  Humour seems ever-present which must help enormously.

Mentions the possibility of going to Texas for a 24 TT this weekend (and asking for volunteers for Hoppo).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 10 April, 2015, 04:29:54 pm
It's quite frightening to be honest. Doing similar distance on the easter arrow at a much lower speed - 13-14mph average my HR averaged 126bpm. I thought that was quite low.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 10 April, 2015, 04:34:34 pm
Looks like he's reversing the route today so should be another biggie  :thumbsup:
As for the heart rate, mine was higher on Monday as I wheeled the bike out of the garage  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 April, 2015, 05:18:24 pm
No comments about Kurt's ride yesterday?

He did 240 miles at an average speed of 20.1 mph with an average heartrate of 86 bpm. Even if wind was involved, that is a hugely impressive bit of athleticism squeezed in after 89 days of riding.

As they like to say over on Strava: Kudos.

London ( Tower Bridge ) to Bristol ( Clifton Suspension Bridge ) and back at evens  :o F**KING HELL.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 10 April, 2015, 05:19:46 pm
At 86 bpm these guys are incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 10 April, 2015, 05:30:35 pm
Have I got this right?

The 12hr velodrome TT WR is 286 miles?

Kurt is 4/5 of this ON THE ROAD, after a ride of over 200 mile yesterday, with the prospect of another 200+ miles ride tomorrow.

My hat is well and truly off.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 10 April, 2015, 05:31:33 pm
London ( Tower Bridge ) to Bristol ( Clifton Suspension Bridge ) and back at evens  :o F**KING HELL.

Bloody hell!  I first read that as London to Bristol at evens and was impressed.  Then I noticed the "and back".
Farrk, that's nearly as quick as me!
 ;)

And what's more.  Crikey!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 10 April, 2015, 05:47:39 pm
My average HR for a flattish 20-mile 17mph ride is around 150. How the hell does Kurt do this at 86? I get more than that walking to the kitchen for another beer.

Oh.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 April, 2015, 06:32:29 pm
Have I got this right?

The 12hr velodrome TT WR is 286 miles?

Kurt is 4/5 of this ON THE ROAD, after a ride of over 200 mile yesterday, with the prospect of another 200+ miles ride tomorrow.

My hat is well and truly off.

The UK 12hr TT record is 317 miles.  So suspect that the velodrome TT is either one of these Guinness sponsored facts or that no one has really given it a proper go.  Mind you, doing 2000+ laps of a track in 12 hours would be better than sitting in the office at this time on a Friday correcting a bid document.   :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 April, 2015, 06:46:06 pm
My chum Axel did a 1021 km '24' on a 250m velodrome - fully-faired recumbent.  He was a bit dizzy by the end.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 10 April, 2015, 06:48:27 pm
My average HR for a flattish 20-mile 17mph ride is around 150. How the hell does Kurt do this at 86? I get more than that walking to the kitchen for another beer.

Oh.

He's a superb athlete.  Although part of it will presumably be sensible use of weather conditions (tailwind), terrain (flat to moderately undulating) and the recumbent.  Age might also have a bearing, as I recall resting HR reduces with age.

It would be very interesting to see his power output, rather than simply his HR data.

Doesn't detract from him being a tip-top contender, significantly further along the bell curve of power endurance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 10 April, 2015, 07:34:09 pm
Although part of it will presumably be sensible use of weather conditions (tailwind

Kurts tracker for yesterday when I looked was showing a South Westerly with wind speed figures of between 24 and 29 mph - so quite helpful.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 10 April, 2015, 07:36:05 pm
Clearly he is using prevailing conditions to best advantage. Something Steve also takes into account no doubt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 April, 2015, 07:49:59 pm
That corner of Arkansas/Missouri is pretty flat too.  There is a town yclept "Holland" not far inside MO.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 April, 2015, 07:51:49 pm
Averaging 20mph on flat ground with a 25mph tailwind is pretty easy. A low heartrate isn't surprising in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 10 April, 2015, 08:05:20 pm
It's still a bloody long way though
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 10 April, 2015, 08:06:21 pm
Clearly he is using prevailing conditions to best advantage. Something Steve also takes into account no doubt.

You'd be silly not to - but you can't cycle 200+ miles in any direction on flat roads in the UK.

This website is good for looking at historical weather data - it has some neat little graphs and loads of data so you can get a good idea of the weather on any given day around the world.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/
 (http://www.wunderground.com/history/)

Little Rock Arkansas yesterday

Little Rock Weather History

 (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLIT/2015/4/9/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Little+Rock&req_state=AR&req_statename=Arkansas&reqdb.zip=72201&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 10 April, 2015, 09:21:08 pm
He's just passed through the delightfully named "Bald Knob"???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 April, 2015, 10:22:07 pm
He's just passed through the delightfully named "Bald Knob"???

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It was once known as the leading strawberry producer in the world.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: phil653 on 11 April, 2015, 12:03:23 pm
Perspective. I know this has been said before but right now the living proof of Kurt's performances are coming home to me. I'm just back from my Saturday run: 65km at a road speed average of 26kph and feeling rather pleased with myself - lardy old slob that I am- but I stopped for coffee and cake part way round, which brings my average speed down to 21kph. I am the same age and size as Kurt and there he goes doing between 3 and 4 times that distance (EDIT after zigzag's correct observation of my non-conversion from kms to miles: 5-6 times that piddly distance), a third as fast again, and without raising his heartrate above an average of 90bpm. And he does it every day! The man's phenomenal, or as they say here ¡Que bestia! It beggars belief.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: zigzag on 11 April, 2015, 12:13:31 pm
sorry to point out that he does between 5 and 6 times the distance.. phenominal athlete indeed!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: phil653 on 11 April, 2015, 12:31:02 pm
Oops. You're right. Them Usanians don't do kms do they. Earlier post now edited for km/miles conversion.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: phil653 on 11 April, 2015, 02:21:44 pm
sorry to point out that he does between 5 and 6 times the distance.. phenominal athlete indeed!

Which self-evidently I aren't.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: paul851 on 13 April, 2015, 05:28:46 pm
No sign of Kurt on the tracker today ?

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 April, 2015, 05:39:28 pm
Just started - a mile done so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 13 April, 2015, 06:07:49 pm
Seems he's having some motivation issues at the moment

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)

He hasn't had many of his planned rest days so a later start for once is understandable. He was still out before midday local time though, so plenty of time to do 100+ miles if he wishes.



Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 13 April, 2015, 07:53:37 pm
His mileages seem to go down when he's riding locally. Maybe he needs to move away from home to regain his motivation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 April, 2015, 12:48:03 am
He's about to enter England again...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 14 April, 2015, 07:56:26 am
Short day yesterday..bad weather and another crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 14 April, 2015, 08:43:45 am
His speed was steady but there's a big step in his HR chart.  Wind as well as the rain?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 16 April, 2015, 06:00:07 pm
Kurt seems to be going through it at the moment.

Lack of motivation and crashes and now food poisoning or flu.

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 16 April, 2015, 06:22:51 pm
Yeah not a good way to spend a birthday either.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 16 April, 2015, 06:44:43 pm
Blimey, does not sound fun.  GWS Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 16 April, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
Dear Kurt,
Please stop falling off your bike.

Love
Basil.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 16 April, 2015, 08:25:04 pm
Trying to find a saline IV? That doesn't sound good. Poor chap. A day or two out to get over it maybe?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 16 April, 2015, 08:41:19 pm
Wishing Kurt very well, ongoingly for the going on.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 16 April, 2015, 08:48:51 pm
Agreed. Rooting for Kurt here.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 16 April, 2015, 09:07:31 pm
GWS Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rabbit on 16 April, 2015, 11:18:08 pm
Oh this is not good news.

Kurt has put in an impressive amount of effort.  Healing vibes, hope you are fixed up and back at it soon. 

Over the course of a year I guess we have to expect it likely that all participants of the 1YTT will succumb to issues at times.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Gabrielle260 on 17 April, 2015, 03:39:55 am
A "viral and parasitic infection" - sounds serious.... Hope Kurt's ok!!
Not what you want to see happen!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 17 April, 2015, 09:46:51 am
A "viral and parasitic infection" - sounds serious.... Hope Kurt's ok!!
Not what you want to see happen!!

Certainly sounds like he celebrated his birthday at the wrong restaurant. He managed 1.1 miles though. Hopefully he will recover quickly and crack on.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: T42 on 17 April, 2015, 06:01:15 pm
Poor bloke. BTDT. Not fun riding with that.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 17 April, 2015, 06:31:40 pm
Get well soon Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 April, 2015, 08:51:53 am
20.5 km yesterday :(  And I doubt the "rest" will be doing him much good either.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bryn on 18 April, 2015, 10:20:39 am
From his fb page: "Kurt's been in bed most of the day with a fever. Tries to get up and move, but then he's back in bed (or in the bathroom). Hoping the fever breaks and his gut calms down so he can ride tomorrow. Energy would be especially good too. "

Poor fellow, sounds nasty
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 18 April, 2015, 10:24:43 am
He needs to get some live yoghurt down.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 18 April, 2015, 10:32:59 am
How many days this week has Steve ridden further than Kurt?!?

(we reeeeally need Jo's "Thought of the Day" back !)

Get well soon Kurt. This sort of thing is inevitable, and in December it will just be a small blip on the graph.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 18 April, 2015, 11:16:06 am
Matt is right, hopefully just a small blip, assuming it doesn't turn out to be anything more serious.

Sounds pretty grim though.  Heal soon Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: barakta on 18 April, 2015, 01:13:15 pm
Eeep, heal well Kurt, look after yourself and hope you're safely back on your bike soon.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 April, 2015, 03:21:19 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 18 April, 2015, 04:35:39 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.

It would be a miraculous year to get through it without a virus.  Just one of those things.

I watched some of Kurt's videos.  He seems like a thoroughly good bloke.  I wish him the best.



Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 18 April, 2015, 04:38:06 pm
Yeah I hope he's better soon
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 April, 2015, 06:50:08 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.

Australia is full of things that bite and/or think they're Jamie Whincup :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RPhilips on 18 April, 2015, 09:37:58 pm
Taken from Tarzan's facebook "4 easy loops on the river trail as I start to recover - 1/2 way back to full distance day."

He is still recovering so only rode 101 MILES!  This man is a monster.  Pretty much in bed for two days due to horrendous virus and then straight back out to ride 100 miles...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 18 April, 2015, 10:20:21 pm
Taken from Tarzan's facebook "4 easy loops on the river trail as I start to recover - 1/2 way back to full distance day."

He is still recovering so only rode 101 MILES!  This man is a monster.  Pretty much in bed for two days due to horrendous virus and then straight back out to ride 100 miles...

That's the spirit.
During such an event you'll encounter some problems sooner or later. Kurt has them, Steve has them and quite likely Miles will have them. How you cope with them is a very important part of your succes sor failure.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 19 April, 2015, 03:46:02 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.

Australia = Snakes, spiders, scorpions and a whole host of other things that kill people!!   ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jefmcg on 19 April, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.

Australia = Snakes, spiders, scorpions and a whole host of other things that kill people!!   ::-)

So you'd think, but the biggest hazard in Melbourne is the European wasp, which doesn't die off over winter so is becoming worse every summer. 

He's at no danger from spiders, snakes, scorpions or drop bears on his chosen route.  And the last shark fatality was 1956 - and you have to be in the water for that.

He has to watch out for bogans in utes though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 19 April, 2015, 08:51:01 pm
Mopeds, viruses... let's hope Miles Smith at least can get through a year without mishap.

Australia = Snakes, spiders, scorpions and a whole host of other things that kill people!!   ::-)

So you'd think, but the biggest hazard in Melbourne is the European wasp, which doesn't die off over winter so is becoming worse every summer. 

He's at no danger from spiders, snakes, scorpions or drop bears on his chosen route.  And the last shark fatality was 1956 - and you have to be in the water for that.

He has to watch out for bogans in utes though.

Translation required please...
Drop bears?
Bogans?  ( I know what a Ute is1).

Ta.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 April, 2015, 08:53:10 pm
I think "bogan" is Orstrilian for "chav".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 19 April, 2015, 09:09:30 pm
a bogan is a petrolhead who's main form of entertainment is burning out tyres in one way or another. They think cyclists are something to use for testing roo bars.
http://boganmania.com/burnout-king-2013-carnage/ (http://boganmania.com/burnout-king-2013-carnage/)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: macnark on 19 April, 2015, 09:13:17 pm
Drop bears can be repelled by smearing vegemite in your armpits, some say,

http://australianmuseum.net.au/drop-bear
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 19 April, 2015, 09:20:02 pm
Not to be confused with a bogon, which is either an address that isn't supposed to exist on a network, or the fundamental particle of bogosity in quantum bogodynamics.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Feline on 19 April, 2015, 09:27:32 pm
Bogans are reputed to come from a run down region of NSW near the Bogan river. That has been disputed- but they are generally the equivalent of chavs (uk) or rednecks (US), possibly somewhere between the two. I've met a few when I've spent time in Sydney visiting my sister  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jefmcg on 19 April, 2015, 10:17:39 pm
Looks like it's all be fairly well answered.   Except "Orstrilian" is the old pronunciation, it's more correctly spelt 'Straylin.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 April, 2015, 11:27:36 pm
I thought they wrote bad poetry and constructed hyperspace bypasses ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 20 April, 2015, 07:32:11 am
Looks like Kurt's back on it. 201.9 miles yesterday.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 20 April, 2015, 07:54:37 am
Good to see.  He seems to get tantalisingly close to the Tommy Godwin average line, and then falls away for whatever reason.  He will hopefully have a good solid spell of increasing distances that will take him to that threshold.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 20 April, 2015, 10:44:23 am
Fast recovery.  How hard must it have been to go through the dress up & prepare routine on the worst day?  We all know the feeling on days when you need to stay within sprinting distance of the bog.  Kurt managed it and it may have only yielded 1.1 miles but it avoided a blank row on his spreadsheet.  Damn fine effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mzjo on 20 April, 2015, 08:56:04 pm
Looks like it's all be fairly well answered.   Except "Orstrilian" is the old pronunciation, it's more correctly spelt 'Straylin.

I must be way behind the times 'cos I thought the language was "Strine".

Back to the thread, what language do they speak in Arkansas?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 April, 2015, 01:28:55 am
Well, we wanted to find out why "Kansas" is pronounced "kan-sas" while "Arkansas" is pronounced "ar-kan-saw", so we asked the local Indians. They told us:
So we think they don't know either.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 21 April, 2015, 03:44:30 pm
Might have more to do with the French colonisation of that part of USAnia?

Anyway, amazing recovery, Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: offcumden on 21 April, 2015, 09:08:51 pm
I tried googling it, and came up with this - among a load of other, often conflicting, info:
http://www.grammarly.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/e3dqw-670x352.jpg
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 22 April, 2015, 02:58:02 pm
Might have more to do with the French colonisation of that part of USAnia?

It is. Arkansas is named after the French plural of a Native American tribe so it gets a French pronunciation, i.e. silent s at the end. Kansas has an English derivation from another tribe's name.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 April, 2015, 07:35:58 pm
Looks like Kurt's back on it. 201.9 miles yesterday.

All this makes Tommy Godwins record even more remarkable.  And increases the kudos that those aiming for it should receive.  Its the impossibility of never having a bad day.  And then having to make up time afterwards.  We're close to the point where a blank day means 1 extra mile every day for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 23 April, 2015, 07:38:50 am
Nothing posted from Kurt for 22nd April yet. The spot tracker suggests he made it to the gulf coast, but not sure how far he rode yesterday. His Facebook posts from the last couple of days suggest he is still recovering from his nasty stomach bug.

Edit: Now posted and OYTT visualization updated.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 23 April, 2015, 07:46:34 am
Well, we wanted to find out why "Kansas" is pronounced "kan-sas" while "Arkansas" is pronounced "ar-kan-saw", so we asked the local Indians. They told us:
  • not to call them "Indians", and
  • to piss off
So we think they don't know either.

 ;D

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 April, 2015, 09:07:52 pm
Tarzan is still recuperating.

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All I have is 3/4 of a day in me right now

This is one very tough record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 24 April, 2015, 07:49:34 am
He's back in business.  Which is nice.

Both he and Steve have been spending a lot of time at the bowl recently.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 01 May, 2015, 10:56:56 am
I see Kurt has another health problem. From FB today...

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enlarged lymph gland (maybe or something else growing) below the right cheek (size of baseball) has made riding a little pain and slow - moved to the bent today to relieve pressure maybe it will get better.


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 01 May, 2015, 11:01:08 am
Size of a baseball? Ohh, that doesn't sound good. GWS Kurt.

(I do tend to get baseball and basketball muddled up as I have no particular interest in either. I hope I Kurt hasn't.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 May, 2015, 11:11:59 am
I think a basketball would envelope his whole head.

Having said that, it's unclear which cheek Jochta was referring to.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 01 May, 2015, 11:21:42 am
GWS Kurt  Hopefully is an infection related to recent events.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 01 May, 2015, 11:27:53 am
I think a basketball would envelope his whole head.
Having said that, it's unclear which cheek Jochta was referring to.

an ass cheek surely, if it can be relieved by riding the deckchair?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 01 May, 2015, 11:35:09 am
I thought a lymph gland was in the neck so googled it before posting...it is in the neck so I am wondering if it is indeed on his arse its actually something else and he has named it wrong. Worrying all the same GWS Kurt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 01 May, 2015, 11:39:23 am
I assumed neck. Maybe head position in the bent relieves pressure on it with a different head position. He ought to have it looked at.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 01 May, 2015, 11:42:17 am
Having looked again there are some in the groin area called INGUINAL lymph nodes, so this is maybe where the problem lies
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 May, 2015, 11:51:01 am
I think there are lymph glands in various places. I have been known to be wrong about such things.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Feline on 01 May, 2015, 11:54:15 am
I think there are lymph glands in various places. I have been known to be wrong about such things.

You're not wrong on this occasion  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 01 May, 2015, 12:30:48 pm
Yes there are lymph glands in various places.

I often get swollen lymph glands in various parts of my neck (and have done since I was a child) sometimes they become large enough to be a visible lump. But the largest I've ever had was about the size of a large marble; I find it very hard to beleive one could swell to the size of a baseball!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 May, 2015, 12:37:04 pm
I think that suggestion was a result of a misunderstanding.

How big is a baseball? Larger or smaller than the regulation 5½ oz cricket ball?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 01 May, 2015, 01:06:15 pm
Slightly larger.
Quote from: Wikipedia
For men's cricket, the ball must weigh between 5 1/2 and 5 3/4 ounces (155.9 and 163.0 g) and measure between 8 13/16 and 9 in (224 and 229 mm) in circumference.
Quote from: Wikipedia
The ball features a rubber or cork center, wrapped in yarn and covered, in the words of the Official Baseball Rules "with two strips of white horsehide or cowhide, tightly stitched together." It is 9.00–9.25 inches (228.60–234.95 mm) in circumference (2.86–2.94 in or 72.64–74.68 mm in diameter) and masses from 5.00 to 5.25 ounces (141.75 to 148.83 g)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 02 May, 2015, 02:46:58 pm
Kurt's on the move again today (31 miles at time of writing), but nothing posted for yesterday's ride yet. SPOT suggested he was doing loops but not sure how far he went in total.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 02 May, 2015, 03:34:54 pm
He had done 180 miles and was still riding when I went to bed so I would expect another 200+
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RichForrest on 04 May, 2015, 11:32:50 am
220 miles yesterday.
Looks like he's feeling a bit beat up going by his post on FB
"Another 12 hours on the bent - getting saddle sores in all new places along with back problems. Headed toward L.R.tomorrow Alicia Snyder say I have to go to the clinic to have the growth evaluated  :( "
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RPhilips on 04 May, 2015, 12:04:13 pm
220 miles yesterday.
Looks like he's feeling a bit beat up going by his post on FB
"Another 12 hours on the bent - getting saddle sores in all new places along with back problems. Headed toward L.R.tomorrow Alicia Snyder say I have to go to the clinic to have the growth evaluated  :( "

I saw that post earlier.  I haven't been following things for the last week or so due to work/life getting in the way.  Has Kurt made any other posts about his health recently?  I know he had that awful stomach bug/virus thing but has he mentioned the saddle sores/back/growth stuff?  While the others are probably not fun the last one especially sounds like it could be serious?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2015, 07:38:08 pm
The danger with being forced to trust yourself to physicians when involved in this sort of massive endurance event is that they are likely to tell you to stop being so bloody stupid.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 04 May, 2015, 09:14:23 pm
The danger with being forced to trust yourself to physicians when involved in this sort of massive endurance event is that they are likely to tell you to stop being so bloody stupid.


Ahhhh....what do doctors know? They are taught to do everything by the law of averages. As soon as you move out of that "sphere" - they are lost. I just had a fairly serious back problem diagnosed - my doctor spent 3 years telling me it was "muscular". Que possible malpractice suit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 May, 2015, 09:21:14 pm
Quite. Before I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, Mrs. Wow and I used to go on walking holidays. We generally walked between 10 and 15 miles a day. At one of my appointments I told the consultant that I liked walking, and asked what he would recommend as an upper limit. "Oh, about 2 miles," he replied. That was the point at which I thought "You just plucked a figure out of the air!" and decided for myself how far I would walk.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jefmcg on 04 May, 2015, 09:59:38 pm
Can I add one?  I visited a friend who was a nun and had just had surgery for breast cancer.  She had been fobbed off for months by her GP, who thought she was just ... um ... looking for a man's attention.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 07 May, 2015, 07:40:46 pm
Lots of updates from Kurt : https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides

Lump now down to golfball size (antibiotics doing the trick); no RAAM (logistics too complicated); moving to Wisconsin in June (looking for lodgings).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 07 May, 2015, 09:11:42 pm
That sounds promising.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 13 May, 2015, 06:06:23 am
Kurts Facebook at about 3am 13/5/15 says "did 230 today - but having problem  with Garmin file - sent to UMCA for help"
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 14 May, 2015, 12:30:47 pm
Over the last month I have become increasingly Konfident in Kurt's ability to do this. 4 months in seems like about the time that mental fatigue would start to build (didn't Steve predict something similar); seeing days well over the target rate, despite his recent setbacks, it looks like he's got his head screwed-on for this.

Kome On Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 17 May, 2015, 09:32:01 pm
I lost the impetus to follow with Kurt ever since Steve got knocked down, but just checking back in every now and then, he continues to put in some consistently impressive performances.
The Dark Side machine looks like it's paid it's way too.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 17 May, 2015, 09:50:58 pm
I lost the impetus to follow with Kurt ever since Steve got knocked down

And me too VB.

Have only the heart to start checking how he's doing now that Steve's proven (yet again) that he is superhuman.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 May, 2015, 11:00:33 am
Alicia is getting quite good at the little videos, and Kurt seems to have reached peak condition. As they get to the halfway point it starts to become more interesting. I see that he's starting to wear out his jerseys, and needs some new ones.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: canny colin on 01 June, 2015, 10:04:41 am
I am surprised that the american bike industrial , have not got behind kurt. A few  tops & shorts would be very cheap advertising . I have a nos  audax uk top sitting in the draw . Might send it out when my skin & blister returns to the USA . I don't  need it my hands in plaster . A yacf top  would look good on kurt  !!! 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 01 June, 2015, 10:24:40 am
A yacf top  would look good on kurt  !!!
That's a very good idea.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 01 June, 2015, 11:59:05 am
I'm sure something could be arranged.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 01 June, 2015, 12:25:02 pm
I lost the impetus to follow with Kurt ever since Steve got knocked down, but just checking back in every now and then, he continues to put in some consistently impressive performances.

It's a shame we aren't getting the excitement of the early part of the year, seeing how Steve and Kurt's rides matched up against each other, but I'm still enjoying following Kurt's progress by Strava and really willing him on. It looks like he's making very steady progress, consistently knocking out rides well over 300km and dropping in the occasional 400km+ monster day. Great stuff.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: ianrauk on 01 June, 2015, 02:28:42 pm
The same as me. I really wasn't that too interested in Kurts progress. Less so when Steve was off the bike. But you can't not admire the guy. He's proving to be phenomenal athlete.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 01 June, 2015, 04:59:35 pm
I am surprised that the american bike industrial , have not got behind kurt. A few  tops & shorts would be very cheap advertising . I have a nos  audax uk top sitting in the draw . Might send it out when my skin & blister returns to the USA . I don't  need it my hands in plaster . A yacf top  would look good on kurt  !!!
Nice idea. I reckon AUK could afford a jersey or two.

Even after the millions* we gave to Steve, there are quite a few pennies in the war-chest.


*may be an exaggeration
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 01 June, 2015, 05:40:05 pm
consistently impressive performances.
consistently knocking out rides well over 300km and dropping in the occasional 400km+ monster day. Great stuff.

Great stuff indeed! Go Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 01 June, 2015, 07:03:03 pm
Awesome riding, said it from day one, wind or no wind, to bang out sub 12hr 200+ ride after ride after...is awesome sauce.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 01 June, 2015, 07:05:53 pm
Awesome riding, said it from day one, wind or no wind, to bang out sub 12hr 200+ ride after ride after...is awesome sauce.

Yup   :thumbsup:.

And he's only got to keep it up for another half a year or so. Damn, this is a hard challenge.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 June, 2015, 11:19:46 am
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 02 June, 2015, 11:41:05 am
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.

Well said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 June, 2015, 11:49:43 am
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.
Too late - Kurt has already had a bout of serious illness.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 June, 2015, 12:42:41 pm
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.
Too late - Kurt has already had a bout of serious illness.
I'm aware of the lump issue which forced him into riding the 'bent for a few days, but he only lost a couple of days' full-distance efforts as far as I knew. Was there something else?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 02 June, 2015, 12:44:26 pm
He had a virus or something. A few days off the bike. Hard to classify as a serious illness.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 June, 2015, 12:45:14 pm
Ah, ok. Must have missed that somewhere along the line!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 June, 2015, 12:46:35 pm
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.
Too late - Kurt has already had a bout of serious illness.
I'm aware of the lump issue which forced him into riding the 'bent for a few days, but he only lost a couple of days' full-distance efforts as far as I knew. Was there something else?
He rode through it, was multiple days of vomiting and diarrhoea.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 June, 2015, 12:48:40 pm
Alicia and Kurt make a great team, I think. Their constant good humour and gentle ribbing of each other is a delight, and makes light of what is, by any human standard, an incredible challenge. I really, really hope Kurt can make it through the rest of the year without the kind of upsets that Steve and Miles have suffered.
Too late - Kurt has already had a bout of serious illness.
I'm aware of the lump issue which forced him into riding the 'bent for a few days, but he only lost a couple of days' full-distance efforts as far as I knew. Was there something else?
He rode through it, was multiple days of vomiting and diarrhoea.
Yes, I remember now you mention it. Nasty, but perhaps not as debilitating as a broken ankle or collapsed lung! Let's hope he gets no worse in the remaining 7 months.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 08 June, 2015, 12:34:20 pm
Kurt reports Little Rock getting too hot.  Now he's done the Tour Du Rock, he's heading North for more temperate climes.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 08 June, 2015, 09:38:33 pm
How to end your OYTT attempt early (don't worry, no harm done):

Tour du Rock (https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpa1/v/t43.1792-2/10291024_1622757314632642_497638255_n.mp4?oh=7aa92de5a24a38b2974a2bb0b55e8690&oe=557612CA) (see 4m:05s)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 08 June, 2015, 09:52:21 pm
How to end your OYTT attempt early (don't worry, no harm done):

Tour du Rock (https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpa1/v/t43.1792-2/10291024_1622757314632642_497638255_n.mp4?oh=7aa92de5a24a38b2974a2bb0b55e8690&oe=557612CA) (see 4m:05s)

I spotted that on the vid. If he keeps pulling stunts like that, he can forget the OYTT, he will be pushing up roses! Dangerous manoeuvre.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 June, 2015, 10:05:44 pm
A Crazy Ivan...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Andrij on 08 June, 2015, 10:16:36 pm
Nucking futs.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 June, 2015, 10:25:44 pm
Maybe his earlier collisions weren't such a coincidence after all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 09 June, 2015, 07:35:50 am
A Crazy Ivan...

A Crazy Kurt!  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 12 June, 2015, 05:18:44 pm
I saw on his Faceplant page that he did 213 miles yesterday but owing to problems uploading he only had 75  :-\ Shirley as his progress was shown on Trackleaders it ought to get honoured?  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 22 June, 2015, 04:26:05 am
Nothing on Tarzan for over a week?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 23 June, 2015, 10:03:23 am
Nothing on Tarzan for over a week?

doesn't look like it  :-\

I'm following him on Facebook via his regular daily update which is very informative;

He's heading up the W shore (although I believe they call it the W shore that's next to MI over there) of lake Michigan, hopefully he'll be in the Yoopee (as they refer to MI's Upper Peninsula) soon; a fantastic place to cycle as long as it's not bear season  :( I just avoided that 2 years ago He can probably stay around there until October.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 23 June, 2015, 10:40:41 am
I'm been on holiday and he is still clocking out 230+ a day with a smile on his face :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 23 June, 2015, 10:53:07 am
For those not following Kurt on Facebook, he's had a lot of trouble with flooded roads. Been restricted as to route choice, having to do loopy days sometimes. Spirits are definitely up, quite a change from the low point of a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 23 June, 2015, 10:56:34 am
He's getting incredibly close to catching up with the required rate too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 23 June, 2015, 12:13:49 pm
His consistency is amazing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 24 June, 2015, 10:19:17 am
As per Jo's ever informative thread, Kurt is now above the Godwin Pace Line.

I think that deserves as woohoo.  So. Woohoo.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 24 June, 2015, 10:23:49 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 24 June, 2015, 10:53:13 am
As per Jo's ever informative thread, Kurt is now above the Godwin Pace Line.

I think that deserves as woohoo.  So. Woohoo.

+1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 24 June, 2015, 10:56:15 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 24 June, 2015, 12:07:45 pm
Woohoo!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 24 June, 2015, 01:25:41 pm
Deffo a Woohoo!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Oaky on 24 June, 2015, 01:27:12 pm
+Woohoo!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 24 June, 2015, 02:09:22 pm
Must be a huge milestone (kilometerstone ?) for him.  No longer working to close a gap, hes working to open it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 25 June, 2015, 07:32:03 pm
As per Jo's ever informative thread, Kurt is now above the Godwin Pace Line.

I think that deserves as woohoo.  So. Woohoo.

Major, major kudos.

("Major" doubled because even putting in a credible attempt at a record like this is worth major kudos)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 June, 2015, 06:51:20 am
Kurt is at risk of being the forgotten man in this.  Given that he has the opportunity to move back to Florida when the days get shorter and the weather colder, he is now in a good position, even though there's many things that could still trip him up.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 29 June, 2015, 02:43:39 pm
Kurt is at risk of being the forgotten man in this.
According to jo's summary thread, Kurt has posted no rides/data for the whole weekend.

Any news around that hasn't made it to YACF-land?  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 29 June, 2015, 02:45:15 pm
Kurt is at risk of being the forgotten man in this.
According to jo's summary thread, Kurt has posted no rides/data for the whole weekend.

Any news around that hasn't made it to YACF-land?  :-\

From FB

"We are still riding - just having major internet issues in NW wisconsin. 226 Saturday and 224 Sunday. About to get back on the bike and put in another good day."
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 29 June, 2015, 02:46:18 pm
They're up on Strava now (364k and 362k). I'll add them to the chart when I get home from work.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 30 June, 2015, 11:38:53 pm
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 01 July, 2015, 12:01:33 am
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?

their roads do have the impression of flat but having ridden up a falr bit (400k of it) not far away I can assure you they are not;

his GC rides all have climbing figures; agreed all very flat by UK standards but organising / riding the flattest 200 in the AUK calendar I can probably rightly say that flat does not mean easy
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Grandad on 01 July, 2015, 01:01:18 am
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organising helping with / riding the flattest 200 in the AUK calendar
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 01 July, 2015, 01:15:38 am
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?

If you're going for huge distances and you can pick the roads, why not pick the easiest roads?

I can only assume there's something in TEH ROOLZ about not starting each day from the highest peak you can find and freewheeling as far as the mountain will take you.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 01 July, 2015, 02:04:29 am
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?

He's not stupid. This challenge is about miles, not climbing.

And, if you think he can't climb, you're sorely mistaken.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 July, 2015, 05:11:03 am
I can only assume there's something in TEH ROOLZ about not starting each day from the highest peak you can find and freewheeling as far as the mountain will take you.

Nope; both Tarzan and Miles have used motorised means to get between segments of their riding.  As long as the SCIENCE doesn't record it as distance ridden.

I reckon US-12 in Idaho is 173 miles mostly downhill from the summit of Lolo Pass to Lewiston and the former is "only" about 5300' above sea level - much higher roads are available in Colorado.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 01 July, 2015, 06:48:06 am
Gosh, the Kurt fans are touchy tonight!

I can only assume there's something in TEH ROOLZ about not starting each day from the highest peak you can find and freewheeling as far as the mountain will take you.

Nope; both Tarzan and Miles have used motorised means to get between segments of their riding.  As long as the SCIENCE doesn't record it as distance ridden.

Assumptions are dangerous things.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 01 July, 2015, 07:57:54 am
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organising helping with / riding the flattest 200 in the AUK calendar

Double Dutch is flatter than the Fairies ride  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Banjo on 01 July, 2015, 08:11:05 am
big thumbs up to Kurt. :thumbsup:

It must be a big psycological boost crossing the line.

re riding flat roads why shouldn't he? On such a huge challenge it seems crazy to me to make it any tougher than it needs to be.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 01 July, 2015, 09:02:47 am
big thumbs up to Kurt. :thumbsup:

It must be a big psycological boost crossing the line.

re riding flat roads why shouldn't he? On such a huge challenge it seems crazy to me to make it any tougher than it needs to be.

Indeed.  Personally I find really flat roads almost the hardest - e.g. the flatlands section of LEL, especially if there is wind about!

I really don't think its appropriate to be having a dig at any of the riders for their individual approach providing it's covered by the letter & spirit of the UMCA rules.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 01 July, 2015, 03:15:19 pm
I really don't think its appropriate to be having a dig at any of the riders for their individual approach providing it's covered by the letter & spirit of the UMCA rules.
Let me know if that happens, won't you?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 01 July, 2015, 05:21:38 pm
Let me know if that happens, won't you?  :thumbsup:

 I don't see how "Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?" can be interpreted in any other way than as a dig, however mild, but simply an observation about the roads Kurt happens to be using - but I'm sure you'll re-assure me that it wasn't  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 July, 2015, 05:22:45 pm
I saw that as a remark admiring his planning.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 01 July, 2015, 05:25:49 pm
I saw that as a remark admiring his planning.

Fair enough.  There was an awful lot of sniping about Kurt's tactics earlier in the year (recumbent, geography, etc).  I guess I detected a whiff of the same re-surfacing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 01 July, 2015, 06:00:01 pm
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?

their roads do have the impression of flat but having ridden up a falr bit (400k of it) not far away I can assure you they are not;

his GC rides all have climbing figures
yes,  ive followed his data extensively, and clearly a lot of days do include enough climbing to be  ... visible.

So I am surprised that every vid I've watched really is on pan-flat tarmac, usually stretching into the distance with no sign of change. Perhaps the climby bits are also on more technical roads i.e. its harder to film from the van safely*
Dunno.

Anyway - Kurt fans are free to make any assumptions they like about my thoughts and intentions (and about the rules!)

*I'm not going to open THAT can of worms again here ...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 07 July, 2015, 09:54:32 pm
I can only assume there's something in TEH ROOLZ about not starting each day from the highest peak you can find and freewheeling as far as the mountain will take you.

Nope; both Tarzan and Miles have used motorised means to get between segments of their riding.  As long as the SCIENCE doesn't record it as distance ridden.

I reckon US-12 in Idaho is 173 miles mostly downhill from the summit of Lolo Pass to Lewiston and the former is "only" about 5300' above sea level - much higher roads are available in Colorado.

I'm not concerned about using motorised means to get between segments, more what each segment needs to look like. If you can start at the top of a 173-mile downhill drag every day you can chalk up huge distances with minimal effort as long as you've got a way (and the means to cover costs) to drive back to the top every day.

If you can freewheel for 170 miles, be driven back to the top, rinse and repeat, and still have it count as "distance cycled" then just about anyone can cover 62,050 miles in 365 days - all you need is the ability to stay awake during what must grow to be something very tedious. If you can sleep while being driven back to the top and get by on 3-4 hours of sleep maybe twice daily you can do more than that just by coasting a lot.

In simplistic terms (and using your example), if you freewheel at an average 20mph for 9 hours and then spend three hours being driven back to the top of the mountain, you could conceivably do two "circuits" daily, clocking 340 miles daily or 124,100 miles over 365 days, while never exerting any actual effort. I'm sure there must be something in the rules to disqualify such an approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Si_Co on 08 July, 2015, 06:50:14 am
just watched the latest FB vid.

Has anyne actually seen Kurt on a road that wasnt PAN-flat?!?

their roads do have the impression of flat but having ridden up a falr bit (400k of it) not far away I can assure you they are not;

his GC rides all have climbing figures
yes,  ive followed his data extensively, and clearly a lot of days do include enough climbing to be  ... visible.

So I am surprised that every vid I've watched really is on pan-flat tarmac, usually stretching into the distance with no sign of change. Perhaps the climby bits are also on more technical roads i.e. its harder to film from the van safely*
Dunno.

Anyway - Kurt fans are free to make any assumptions they like about my thoughts and intentions (and about the rules!)

*I'm not going to open THAT can of worms again here ...

Thing is gradients don't film well at all, you have to put a lot of effort into getting that across, ESL is very good at this. Also on such roads a shallow gradient is going to add up over such distances, very few countries road builders have the 'Yep straight up...that'll do' attitude that has been historically prevalent here.

ETA: Note to self, read the whole quote
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 08 July, 2015, 11:28:06 am
Alicia seems to be filming with a smartphone or similar. She'd need a longer focal length to film an approaching Kurt on a hill. She's doing quite well within the limits of extreme wide angle, but moving footage is always going to need to be shot from a vehicle.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 08 July, 2015, 05:25:04 pm
yes,  ive followed his data extensively, and clearly a lot of days do include enough climbing to be  ... visible.

So I am surprised that every vid I've watched really is on pan-flat tarmac, usually stretching into the distance with no sign of change. Perhaps the climby bits are also on more technical roads i.e. its harder to film from the van safely*
Dunno.

The climbing data on Strava can be wildly out and if that is the data you are looking at it will give a false impression of the amount of climbing.

I seem to remember one of Steves segments showing a gradual climb over a distance of about 150km. Someone may know of a road like this but it's not in the UK. I believe it's down to change in air pressure during the course of the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 July, 2015, 10:53:18 pm
Kurt is currently heading east on about the straightest road I've ever seen marked on a map. It's about 20 miles without deviation. I bet he hasn't got a headwind.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 10 July, 2015, 04:01:51 am
Kurt is currently heading east on about the straightest road I've ever seen marked on a map. It's about 20 miles without deviation. I bet he hasn't got a headwind.

Maybe not, but you can bet he's working a lot harder than Tommy Godwin was when he was drafting behind his team of pacers.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 10 July, 2015, 08:54:26 am
Maybe not, but you can bet he's working a lot harder than Tommy Godwin was when he was drafting behind his team of pacers.

Indeed.  Those few summer months of TG having being paced is a far more significant factor than geography or modern equipment, and that's what makes this record so difficult to break for a solo rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 July, 2015, 10:43:49 am
There aren't a lot of people in the world who can afford to devote a year of their lives to this record, and pay for it out of their own pocket. There's a list of rules, and Kurt's working within them.
He's on target to achieve what he set out to do, and his resources seem to below the level of the average charity End-to-End.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bobb on 10 July, 2015, 11:57:20 am
Kurt is currently heading east on about the straightest road I've ever seen marked on a map. It's about 20 miles without deviation. I bet he hasn't got a headwind.

He should maybe go to Saudi and ride from Haradh to Al Bat'ha. About 160 miles of dead straight nothingness!

Google map (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Al+Ahsa+Saudi+Arabia/@24.1523464,50.4225355,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3e379603b69a4d55:0x58627340ca1e7ccc)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 July, 2015, 05:21:32 pm
But he'd have to turn around before he ran out of road.
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/11/the-long-and-lonely-eyre-highway-worlds.html
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 10 July, 2015, 06:09:03 pm
"Maybe not, but you can bet he's working a lot harder than Tommy Godwin was when he was drafting behind his team of pacers."

You mean Charley Davey shouting at him from the roadside don't you?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 13 July, 2015, 07:27:34 pm
Coming on to 19:30 bst.  No movement from Kurt yet.  Is he saying anything on faceache, faceachers?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 13 July, 2015, 07:42:14 pm
Coming on to 19:30 bst.  No movement from Kurt yet.  Is he saying anything on faceache, faceachers?

Nothing since his "Today was a 'mare day" post, 15 hours ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly John on 13 July, 2015, 07:45:28 pm
His alarm failed to go off yesterday and he had a couple of flats, one of which causing him to crash - so possibly something arising from those incidents is the cause of today's late start.  :-\

Go Kurt!

Edit: cross post with Chris S...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 13 July, 2015, 09:01:23 pm
21:00 and no track from Kurt. Looks like a no-show today. Hope it's nothing serious.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 14 July, 2015, 12:36:19 am
Or the tracker is kaput.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 14 July, 2015, 07:16:29 am
More than one tracker, Shirley.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly John on 14 July, 2015, 07:51:14 am
200 miles booked - short day due to storms. No explaination yet as to why no spot.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 15 July, 2015, 06:09:58 am
272 miles or 437km.  Averages 30km/hr for almost 14hrs.

Just awesome.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 15 July, 2015, 08:47:10 am
272 miles or 437km.  Averages 30km/hr for almost 14hrs.

Just awesome.

He does admit to having had a stonking tailwind (presumably for the whole day).  Just shows what a difference that can make!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Climberruss on 15 July, 2015, 02:16:37 pm
272 miles or 437km.  Averages 30km/hr for almost 14hrs.

Just awesome.

He does admit to having had a stonking tailwind (presumably for the whole day).  Just shows what a difference that can make!

It's still a phenominal total for the day. Albeit not as much as some of Tommy's rides.l
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 17 July, 2015, 09:29:47 am
big week so far this week

Monday - 323km
Tuesday - 438km
Wednesday - 361km
Thursday - 342km

interesting to see 953km up on Steve in the 17 days of July alone

Tarzan  - 5834km
Steve - 4881km
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 23 July, 2015, 01:48:07 pm
Over half way and Tarzan keeps knocking out the long rides - awesome riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 23 July, 2015, 03:18:03 pm
Over half way and Tarzan keeps knocking out the long rides - awesome riding.

He's beginning to make it look easy. Looks as fresh as day one.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 23 July, 2015, 04:23:50 pm
It looks like ride hard:rest hard is really working.
12 hours off for recovery every day makes a big difference.

Of course, his hard might be as fast as my hard, but he does it at a much lower HR and for much much longer.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Auntie Helen on 28 July, 2015, 07:02:11 am
Message on Facebook from Alicia to say that Kurt has a lung problem and is also a bit anaemic.  GWS Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 28 July, 2015, 10:06:18 am
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This morning Kurt was having trouble breathing when riding the recumbent again. We thought it might be congestion or a lung infection. I had him quit early so that he could be seen. His X-ray showed that in his right lung he has a hemi-elevated diaphragm. What that means, we don't know until he sees a pulmonologist. We already know he has a large heart and now less space in his lungs? Blood work shows he's a bit anemic too. Yet, he keeps HAM'Ring on!!! - Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RPhilips on 28 July, 2015, 10:22:12 am
Kind words from Miles on Facebook!

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Heard a garbeled message 'Kurt is hurt' (one of the two US of A competitors). Hope its not serious and he's back on the treadmill asap, drafting that RV of his.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: DaveE128 on 28 July, 2015, 12:36:15 pm
A quick google search suggests that there are a whole raft of possible things that could cause the diaphragm issue that's been spotted. Hope it's one of the less serious ones. :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nuncio on 28 July, 2015, 12:39:55 pm
Kind words from Miles on Facebook!

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Heard a garbeled message 'Kurt is hurt' (one of the two US of A competitors). Hope its not serious and he's back on the treadmill asap, drafting that RV of his.
Up to the last five words, yes.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hatler on 28 July, 2015, 01:02:11 pm
I read that as Kurt is leading his RV (and thereby reducing the RV's fuel consumption :-) )
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 29 July, 2015, 02:17:36 pm
GWS Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 29 July, 2015, 08:11:56 pm
Nice write-up from ESPN- http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance/story/_/id/13336817/endurance-sports-kurt-searvogel-attempting-cycle-more-75000-miles-year (http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance/story/_/id/13336817/endurance-sports-kurt-searvogel-attempting-cycle-more-75000-miles-year)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: ramchip on 29 July, 2015, 08:41:36 pm
Another here.

http://www.bikingtimes.com/exclusive-video-interview-with-kurt-searvogel-hamr-record-attempt/
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 30 July, 2015, 08:32:34 am
Couple more videos gone up on FB.  A bit behind, but Days 168&169.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 August, 2015, 10:18:38 am
I'm increasingly admiring Kurt's consistency despite his various problems.  He continues to log more miles than targeted each day, which has now got the mpd to go under 201 and, in a week or so at current pace will drop it below the psychological important (though still physically terrifying) 200mpd.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 03 August, 2015, 11:47:06 am
I'm surprised that in today's analysis post, jo didnt mention Kurt's line creeping above the x-axis.

(I assume this is the same as the required mpd dropping below 201 ... but it could be one of those odd numerical/visual oddities. My brain's not upto deciding which this morning! )

As you say, CET, sneaking under 200mpd will be a big morale boost.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 03 August, 2015, 11:57:28 am
I'm surprised that in today's analysis post, jo didnt mention Kurt's line creeping above the x-axis.
Are you looking at Godwin's 1939 line?  Kurt's line crept over the x-axis (meaning that he's got a daily target of less than 1 Godwin) several weeks ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 03 August, 2015, 12:06:00 pm
Indeed. The thin grey line (Tommy Godwin) hits his own annual average pace in a week's time. Kurt passed the Godwin line in mid-June, at about the point Miles restarted. The next significant crossing, apart from Kurt needing less than 200 mpd will be if/when Tommy overtakes Kurt in his average mileage. At the rate Kurt is riding, this might never happen, but if it does Kurt's blue line would most likely intersect with Tommy's grey line around October (after that point, Tommy eases off considerably and Kurt could comfortably be doing 180 mile days and still be ahead). In fact, that is one of the remarkable aspects of Kurt's performance - he is the only rider to remain consistently ahead (excluding days 3 and 4) of Tommy throughout the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 03 August, 2015, 12:11:09 pm
Doh!

Thanks for the corrections chaps ...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 August, 2015, 12:42:27 pm
I saw from Jo's excellent OYTT analysis that Kurt has passed Ossie Nicholson's 1933 attempt and wonder if he will get a morale boost from progressively passing other previous attempts such as:

Walter Greaves: 45383
Bernard Bennett (1937): 45801
Rene Menzies: 61561
Ossie Nicholson: 62657
and Bernard Bennett (1939): 65127

I also see that his target miles per day is gradually reducing (now 200.5).  But with only 150-odd days to go a 230 mile day will reduce the daily target by 0.2 of a mile, so likely that he will get below 200mph target soon enough.  Whether or not Steve manages to beat Tommy's record, he has certainly inspired a re-emergence of a record that had been in the doldrums for 68 years (a lot longer than the UCI had managed to neglect the World Hour Record)

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 August, 2015, 01:15:52 pm
Steve is indeed inspirational and it is such a massive shame that his initial effort was cut short by a piss-head. I wonder where he would have been now if he hadn't been injured.

But starting again must take a determination which is impossible for most of us to comprehend.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Auntie Helen on 10 August, 2015, 01:40:51 pm
From Alicia on Facebook:

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Kurt has had this annoying cough and chest irritation going on for a while now. He tried the recumbent yesterday, but that didn't last long. He has an appointment to see a doctor on Wednesday. His motivation, energy and spirits were low yesterday. I had to help him get out of this funk. So, I told him to find an area I could park the van and we both could ride. We cruised around Fox Lake enjoying the scenery like tourists. His spirits lifted and he was off again. Yeah! He wanted to end his ride at this outdoor pub/restaurant we had passed so many times (we NEVER have time to eat out or go to dinner). I was to jump ahead and meet him there, but it was packed with a long wait. Oh well... I'm really proud of him for staying on his bike. It was a long day and he got through it. He did it... again. ~ Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 10 August, 2015, 04:04:40 pm
Steve is indeed inspirational and it is such a massive shame that his initial effort was cut short by a piss-head. I wonder where he would have been now if he hadn't been injured.

But starting again must take a determination which is impossible for most of us to comprehend.

I think Jo's analysis on the 'Thoughts' thread is spot-on. Also, Helen's quote from Alicia above shows how useful and motivational the support of a loved one can be; the fact that she's with Kurt all day every day probably makes a huge difference when compared with Steve's necessarily solo approach. Diff'rent strokes, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: ramchip on 11 August, 2015, 04:08:40 pm
Interview with Alicia - http://www.bikingtimes.com/alicia-snyder-kurt-searvogels-chief-crew-interview-hamr/
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 August, 2015, 10:25:37 am
Another 2 days at 228 mpd as Kurt did yesterday or 3 days at 216mpd and the target will be less than 200mpd
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 12 August, 2015, 10:52:57 am
I notice that Kurt and Steve have matched their distances exactly in the last two days. Is this a strategy or coincidence? (probably the latter, but Kurt is certainly aware of Steve's daily distances as he rides and Steve is aware of Kurt's current daily targets).

One of the (small) advantages Kurt has, that I hadn't really appreciated until watching the vids, is that towards the end of the day with vehicle support he can stop at any time. This gives him much more flexibility than always having to aim for MK. For example, with no place to target if he's been riding up a steady 10km upward stretch of road, he can easily turn around and finish the day with 10km downhill warmdown. Or if Alicia tells him that Steve put in an extra 20km today, he can push on for another 45 minutes if he feels able.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 12 August, 2015, 01:05:30 pm
I wouldn't have thought that Steve's mileages are very relevant to Kurt any more, unless he and Alicia feel they're a motivation simply on a daily basis. I suspect it's simply coincidence; after all, they're both aiming for roughly the same mpd anyway. But Alicia's support, and the RV, are worth their weight in gold!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 12 August, 2015, 03:16:50 pm
I don't want to pick on Jo's comment, but I noticed a trend on these pages suggesting Kurt has it 'easy' compared to Steve - ideal weather, riding downhill with a tail-wind, etc. Alicia's videos suggest Kurt experiences extremes of weather that we rarely if ever see in the UK. Also Kurt spends a lot of time riding loops, which I put down to the poor riding surface and heavy traffic on most roads he encounters, so when he does find a nice smooth quiet road he tends to stick with it - even if it cancels out the uphill/downhill and headwind/tailwind factors.

As for stopping at night, both riders face the same decision on whether to pass a comfortable bed and do an extra loop.

The terrain and conditions are different, and each rider tries to make the best of what they know based on 30+ years of cycling experience. But I think we (the gawpers, as opposed to the riders) should remember any “advantage” does not add or subtract one inch from the distances riden.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pancho on 12 August, 2015, 03:29:20 pm
I think there was a degree of suspicion about Kurt at the outset. Steve was hacking unsupported through an icy British Winter - often in darkness and mostly alone and frequently in challenging terrain whereas Kurt was under a Florida sun on pancake flat roads with a support vehicle. And, to cap it off, Kurt seemed to be mirroring Steve's distances each day. Icy British Winter hills are something we're familiar with in a cycling context -whereas Florida is where people go on holiday for sun. A lazy association but understandable.

But eight months and tens of thousands of miles in, I don't think anyone has any lingering suspicions that Kurt is anything other than an outstanding sportsman and a hell of a cyclist.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 12 August, 2015, 08:33:18 pm
But eight months and tens of thousands of miles in, I don't think anyone has any lingering suspicions that Kurt is anything other than an outstanding sportsman and a hell of a cyclist.

Yup! With outstanding backup and support  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 13 August, 2015, 05:26:56 am
I think there was a degree of suspicion about Kurt at the outset. Steve was hacking unsupported through an icy British Winter - often in darkness and mostly alone and frequently in challenging terrain whereas Kurt was under a Florida sun on pancake flat roads with a support vehicle. And, to cap it off, Kurt seemed to be mirroring Steve's distances each day. Icy British Winter hills are something we're familiar with in a cycling context -whereas Florida is where people go on holiday for sun. A lazy association but understandable.

But eight months and tens of thousands of miles in, I don't think anyone has any lingering suspicions that Kurt is anything other than an outstanding sportsman and a hell of a cyclist.

The flexibility to shift from Florida to Maine depending on requirements is a definite advantage. The weather in the US is so much more variable than in the UK - it's quite comical to see UK media outlets talking of the "extreme weather" when it goes into the 90s for a few days in the summer, or there's half an inch of snow and it goes below freezing for a couple of days in the winter.

Here in Pennsylvania it routinely goes into the 90s during the day (the humidity has been a relatively low 60% or so just lately, but before a thunderstorm it goes into the 90s), and between January and March it stayed below freezing for several days at a time. For a time it was borderline whether it was warmer outside or inside the chest freezer. The chest freezer is set to 0F (-18C), and the outside temperature didn't quite drop that low. I think it was Boston that stacked the snow they had ploughed (on the basis it had to go somewhere) and it finally finished melting in May.

I'm sure Florida is easier cycling than England in January, but come June I think I'd rather take English weather.

Of course the bottom line is that even in perfect conditions with no rain, no cold, no headwinds, and no drunken goons on mopeds, I still couldn't do what these guys are doing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 13 August, 2015, 08:19:26 am
I mentioned Steve's attempt to another stellar Randonneur back in January and he said "so has he gone to America?"
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 13 August, 2015, 08:59:53 am
I am in awe of Kurt's athleticism and determination and wish him well with his attempt. I apologise if my earlier comment fed into that unnecessary and tedious narrative of "your rider has it much easier than my rider" - I mentioned it because it was a detail I hadn't considered until watching some of Alicia's videos.

I do admit to a partisan support for Steve though as he just happens to represent a culture of cycling I identify more strongly with than Kurt's.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 13 August, 2015, 02:28:09 pm
Apology not required Jo – the differences in approaches are fascinating (potatoes – potatoes, tomatoes – tomatoes). And you are right – it is easier for us (in AUK-land) to associate with what Steve is doing – apart from the distances, and every day…

I did pick up on the “suspicion about Kurt at the outset.” I guess I had that too – the way he stepped up into the RV after 100 or 200 miles had me asking if the guy was for real. But if you watch the videos for a while the daily grind is pretty evident, despite the banter and smiles.

So my beef was really about some “lazy” comments which seemed aimed at invalidating what Kurt was doing, and going far beyond supporting Steve. (A better way to invalidate his efforts would require the use of a bicycle!)

End of beef.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 13 August, 2015, 05:14:26 pm
The terrain and conditions are different,
Exactly. This is indisputable plain fact.

It is almost impossible that they are both having an equally hard/easy time (even ignoring RTAs!). It shouldnt be verboten to discuss the differences - it's all part of the rich tapestry of the (friendly so far) rivalry.

If we didn't discuss the things that are different ... well what WOULD we discuss?!?

I for one am not saying that averaging 200+ miles a day for a year is a trivial challenge, whatever the conditions/support/genetics/yada yada ...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 15 August, 2015, 10:45:42 am
I wouldn't have thought that Steve's mileages are very relevant to Kurt any more, unless he and Alicia feel they're a motivation simply on a daily basis. I suspect it's simply coincidence; after all, they're both aiming for roughly the same mpd anyway. But Alicia's support, and the RV, are worth their weight in gold!
Looks like 3 days of identical mileages in under a week. that's a heck of a coincidence!

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 15 August, 2015, 01:50:17 pm
I wouldn't have thought that Steve's mileages are very relevant to Kurt any more, unless he and Alicia feel they're a motivation simply on a daily basis. I suspect it's simply coincidence; after all, they're both aiming for roughly the same mpd anyway. But Alicia's support, and the RV, are worth their weight in gold!
Looks like 3 days of identical mileages in under a week. that's a heck of a coincidence!



Why? Kurt is something like 8000-odd miles ahead of Steve on the 2015 attempt. There's no reason I can think of for him to shadow Steve's miles. They're both aiming for something over 205 miles daily, so I'm not at all surprised that the actual achieved miles per day are very similar. And even if there is some bizarre intent behind it, it makes no difference in the context of 12-18 months of riding!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 15 August, 2015, 03:45:05 pm
Why what?

If you mean "why would Kurt track Steve's mileage?", then I think this astute chap may have nailed it:

I wouldn't have thought that Steve's mileages are very relevant to Kurt any more, unless he and Alicia feel they're a motivation simply on a daily basis.

[my bold]
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 16 August, 2015, 07:16:47 am
My wisdom is all-encompassing! ;D

I thought about that a bit afterwards, not having anything much else to so, and I wondered if Kurt is really struggling for motivation perhaps at the moment, and matching Steve's mileage is a kind of game he can play that alleviates the tedium (and it must be getting tedious by now!). I really can't think of any other reason to do that. So I'm still leaning toward coincidence, I guess.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 16 August, 2015, 07:30:30 am
I was wondering something similar. That very same benefit of being able to stop at the end of the day whenever he wants (no fixed location to head for) also presents its own challenges. Now that he is a long way ahead, towards the end of the day I could imagine the "Why bother?" daemons could be making themselves heard as he has nothing in particular to aim for on a day-by-day basis. Perhaps telling himself to at least match Steve's daily total is one way of adding some structure.

BTW, nothing posted on Strava for the 15th from Kurt yet. If I've done my timezone corrections correctly and Trackleaders is correct, his last SPOT trackpoint was at 7:10pm yesterday.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 August, 2015, 04:51:03 pm
Tarzan's missing days have now been uploaded onto the HAM'R leaderboard http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php

So he is now showing as (just) 199.0 miles to go, which must be a huge psychological milestone for him.  I guess as he prefers to avoid night riding his mileage may drop from November onwards, but if he can keep turning out 220 mile days his mpd required will drop by 0.25 to 0.3mpd through the rest of August and into September.   So Steve is unlikely to get the record this year but he may well have precipitated someone else breaking the 'unbreakable' record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 26 August, 2015, 10:54:49 am
Kurt feeling vaguely ill (sounds like a virus or just systemic exhaustion). Abandoned day after 77 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 26 August, 2015, 11:03:51 am
Where does that info come from? According to his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides) he was just feeling tired yesterday in windy conditions. He completed 142 miles in total.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 26 August, 2015, 11:07:10 am
Where does that info come from? According to his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides) he was just feeling tired yesterday in windy conditions. He completed 142 miles in total.

I think the mileage figure came from Kurt's first (of two) Facebook entries.  He will often post multiple Garmin tracks for the same day separately so you have to scroll down to get an idea of the total.

As for the "vaguely ill" bit - maybe just guessing?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 26 August, 2015, 01:00:25 pm
Where does that info come from? According to his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides) he was just feeling tired yesterday in windy conditions. He completed 142 miles in total.
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First ride of the day - started late - rode 2 hours - took a nap - the rode again - felt like I had no power - I was a sleaking front tire - fixed it - still had no power so I called it and took another nap

I'd posted my comment before Kurt's next comment about 2nd ride of the day was put up.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 26 August, 2015, 02:48:17 pm
Ah, that makes sense. I didn't spot his earlier post.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 August, 2015, 06:59:53 pm
I haven't followed this so avidly as I did before - partly down to the interest having been taken out of it by Steve's injury and partly because I have spent quite a bit of the summer doing other stuff. Reading Kurt's FB pages it looks to me as though he is struggling more than at any other stage. Yesterday "had nothing to give". Previous day "felt like I had no power".

I hope he can ride through this tough patch but I worry that his body is simply telling him it's too much. 8 months of repeated >200 mile days must take a massive toll from the system.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 26 August, 2015, 07:50:04 pm
Reading Kurt's FB pages it looks to me as though he is struggling more than at any other stage. Yesterday "had nothing to give". Previous day "felt like I had no power".

Those two comments both relate to the same day - yesterday - when he had very bad weather and mechanical issues.  I think he is looking remarkably well and seems cheerful and optimistic.  If you check his daily stats he has averaged over 210 per day in recent weeks and shows no sign of tailing off.

He has the advantage of being nearly 2/3 of the way through and is comfortably ahead of schedule.  He could afford days like yesterday once a week till the end of the year and still break the record.  Mind you, anything could happen to change all this at a stroke (as we've already seen).

I'm far more concerned about Steve, who looks like he's going to be posting 8 sub-200 mile rides in the last 9 days in his re-load.  Considering this is one of the "good" months, that is worrying.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 August, 2015, 08:07:08 pm
I hadn't noticed that they related to the same day.

As you say, even though the "psychological" 200 mpd barrier has now been broken, that's still one hell of a lot of miles. Anything can happen in the next 4 months.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: zigzag on 26 August, 2015, 11:38:59 pm
the way i think about the distance on long events is i always add "already" before the distance completed, e.g. already 1/10th! already 1/5th! already 200k - that's one third!
the key is to outsmart your mind is by inflating the achievement and by shrinking what's left to do, e.g. 2/3rd done already (pat on the back) and only 1/3rd left - easy!! :D

GO KURT!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 27 August, 2015, 04:09:42 am
I haven't followed this so avidly as I did before - partly down to the interest having been taken out of it by Steve's injury and partly because I have spent quite a bit of the summer doing other stuff. Reading Kurt's FB pages it looks to me as though he is struggling more than at any other stage. Yesterday "had nothing to give". Previous day "felt like I had no power".


Both of those posts were describing the same day. He rode well over 200 miles the day before and well over 200 miles the day after (today). Kurt is as intelligent (and honest) off the bike as he is strong on it. He'll be fine.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 27 August, 2015, 05:57:36 am
I'm far more concerned about Steve, who looks like he's going to be posting 8 sub-200 mile rides in the last 9 days in his re-load.  Considering this is one of the "good" months, that is worrying.
This.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 August, 2015, 08:23:51 am
Unfortunately I agree.  Jo's charts and daily updates are informative, but do not convey how much this drop in summer miles is impacting Steve's chances. 

Kurt, on the other hand, seems comfortably on course to end the year (calendar or 365 day) ahead of Godwin's mark.  I suspect one of the challenges for him will be keeping his foot on the gas when he reaches a point when he "knows" it's in the bag.  As he appears to be a competitor, I'd anticipate this will only really happen when he crosses the Godwin record (ie it is more an issue of how motivated he is to keep going, to make his "the record that can't be broken")
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 27 August, 2015, 08:52:01 am
Unfortunately I agree.  Jo's charts and daily updates are informative, but do not convey how much this drop in summer miles is impacting Steve's chances. 
Absolutely.  Looking at the schedule, it appears that Steve's lower schedule has, at this time of year, about the same gradient as the maximum Godwin gradient.  Really, Steve needs to be putting in days of nearly 300 miles in order to make hay while the sun is shining.  Is he paying for not having really had a proper rest in July before his reboot?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 27 August, 2015, 08:54:01 am
Unfortunately I agree.  Jo's charts and daily updates are informative, but do not convey how much this drop in summer miles is impacting Steve's chances. 
Absolutely.  Looking at the schedule, it appears that Steve's lower schedule has, at this time of year, about the same gradient as the maximum Godwin gradient.  Really, Steve needs to be putting in days of nearly 300 miles in order to make hay while the sun is shining.  Is he paying for not having really had a proper rest in July before his reboot?

In fairness, the sun hasn't been shining this week! Some of us had a month's worth of rain in a few hours yesterday. But that's only the kind of rain that Kurt has to put up with fairly regularly, I guess.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 27 August, 2015, 10:23:47 am
Nonetheless, it's summer.  The days are long, it's not sub-zero, the winds are relatively modest.  This is the time of year that Steve was banking on doing almost twice the mileage that he's managed for the past few days.  It lashed down at 4am yesterday but other than that we had a pretty nice day in Staffs/Derbys!

BTW, I do appreciate that Steve's ill.  GWS and start burning up that road!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 27 August, 2015, 10:29:40 am
Didn't Kurt have a plan to ride through each of the 48 contiguous States as well, this year?  I take it that's been shelved in pursuit of efficiency?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 27 August, 2015, 10:30:58 am
I think weather and pragmatism shot that one down.  As well as a few events he'd been hoping to attend (though he's bagged a few rides).  I think even RAAM was considered (and rejected) at an early stage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 27 August, 2015, 10:55:04 am
Yes, I don't think that there is much to be gained by mixing organised events into the plans.
Steve didn't add any real mileage by doing PBP, and the days around the Mersey Roads were rather ordinary (by his standard).  Of course, Steve will have enjoyed the change in routine and the chance to ride in company for a change.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 27 August, 2015, 11:49:10 am
Kurt had originally planned on doing several US events.  To date, I think he only did one (Sebring) and dropped doing the others.  Which appears to have been the right thing to do given his progress since early January (the Sebring day is from memory one of his longer stints in the saddle, but he had to take a recovery day afterwards that significantly ate into the distance he recorded in the event).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 27 August, 2015, 11:54:34 am
Kurt has been able to move between three bases (Florida, Arkansas, Wisconsin) over the year so he does at least have some variety. I imagine the strain of doing the same long rides day after day must be considerable, so I can see why Steve might introduce the M24 and PBP into his year even if not optimal for the OYTT. I also suspect he might have his eye on eventually holding the record for the lifetime number of Mersey 24s and PBPs.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 August, 2015, 12:13:47 pm
I also suspect he might have his eye on eventually holding the record for the lifetime number of Mersey 24s and PBPs.

You are probably correct.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 27 August, 2015, 11:25:07 pm
Bahh  :( I've become a Facebook infidel can't view his page any more

must....resist......
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 27 August, 2015, 11:46:24 pm
Bahh  :( I've become a Facebook infidel can't view his page any more

must....resist......

The more Zuckerperson makes it difficult to look in from the outside, the less I want to join up.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 28 August, 2015, 02:31:54 am
According to his Facebook page "Not feeling it anymore - sick and tired so slept in then did a tourist ride with alicia and ended early. Will try again tomorrow or maybe not."

73 miles done.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 28 August, 2015, 04:53:53 am
Bahh  :( I've become a Facebook infidel can't view his page any more

must....resist......

The more Zuckerperson makes it difficult to look in from the outside, the less I want to join up.

I wonder how many of their claimed 1.5bn users are mysteriously named "Lance Myboyle" or some such, if people signed up with silly details just so they could follow something of interest that the evil empire decided was for members only.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 28 August, 2015, 05:51:42 am
I wonder how many of their claimed 1.5bn users are mysteriously named "Lance Myboyle" or some such,

Facebook has a billion users in a single day (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34082393), says Mark Zuckerberg

I imagine there is some double counting in there, with any FB add on any page added into the mix, but - wow!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 28 August, 2015, 09:14:02 am
Zephoria have some statistics about Facebook.

The missing statistic is the percentage of Babyboomers who are still looking for the button shaped like a ‘V’ sign.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 28 August, 2015, 09:21:47 am
Erm, whilst this is all very interesting, it has chuff all to do with whether Kurt will overcome his melancholy today.  I hope he lifts himself up, or that his support lifts him, sooner rather than later.  That buffer he has will soon evaporate if he mopes around his people carrier for too long.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 28 August, 2015, 09:32:35 am
Again, I may be being stupid/unobservant, but I couldn't see any reference to Kurt's comment on Facebook as referred to by Psychler. Perhaps he deleted it? Also, the Strava link for his 74 miles was for 4 hours in the morning, but the trackleaders site (http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel) at the time of writing has his last log at 9pm, so perhaps we will get a second Strava ride posted when he wakes up today?

If not, it is another example of the magnitude of the challenge. One day of "only" 74 miles wipes out all the August progress he has made in climbing over and above Tommy's 206mpd pace.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 28 August, 2015, 09:58:24 am
Ongoing best wishes Kurt. Including many congrats, also ongoing!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 28 August, 2015, 10:37:26 am
It's on his personal FB as opposed to the Tarzan page. Seems to be public as I've not friended him.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 28 August, 2015, 10:55:28 am
Assuming you mean this one  - https://www.facebook.com/Metarzan I think it is out of bounds to us non-FB people (I just get his front page without any substantial content).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 28 August, 2015, 11:06:03 am
Yes, that's the one. Only one ride uploaded (three times - so I guess he's using three Garmins). No answer to the 40+ comments urging him on. I hope all is well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 28 August, 2015, 03:55:01 pm
53 miles logged already so hopefully the touring day has restored his mojo a bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 29 August, 2015, 10:18:54 am
Yes, I don't think that there is much to be gained by mixing organised events into the plans.
Steve didn't add any real mileage by doing PBP, and the days around the Mersey Roads were rather ordinary (by his standard).  Of course, Steve will have enjoyed the change in routine and the chance to ride in company for a change.

I talked to Steve while riding half a stage with him at PBP. THe change of routine and riding with others indeed played a major factor in his decision. It's a boost for the mental side of the challenge.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 29 August, 2015, 04:35:59 pm
Looks like Kurt's heading home!  He's taking a southwards route towards Arkansas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on 29 August, 2015, 05:39:48 pm
Yes he is - Alicia needs to see her dentist.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 29 August, 2015, 05:58:20 pm
I suppose with a two-person team the risk factors increase - the support can get ill as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 02 September, 2015, 12:16:49 pm
A major accumulation of small problems led to a challenging day for Kurt and Alicia yesterday. From his Facebook page...

Quote
1st garmin marked by detours. The rest of the day would be worse. National Burn Your Trash Day in northeast arkansas added more smoke to an already hot and hazy day. P2 broke shifter cable - everything need to be moved to the giant. Giant hadn't been ridden for a while so obviously it had a flat rear tire that had to be changed before I could start. Giant's rear derailyer went into crash mode when I worked on the tire so I had to reset it. Finally I'm cruising along on some great roads with Giant riding great. Get to Gas station for next hop with some fried orka - things are looking up as we drive toward LR. Around Cabot things take another turn. A driver pulls up along side to tell me that a bike is dragging. Envie rear Rim destroyed (Can anyone help with that). I ride into little rock from Jacksonville and head into the house. About 2 miles from the house city of L.R. has decided to fuck up so my roads in the neighbor. I hit lip of ground payment and break the handle bars on the giant. That is 3 bikes out of commission so when I get home I have to start building the titanium bike frame up. As I'm doing this I go to load my garmin for the day but alas my computer has decide it going to crash too. So this morning I'm on my old computer getting ready to ride a bike that is opitimized for being on the comuputrainer. Alicia Snyder will be see a lot of bike shops today. We are looking for a new or used 4 bike rack to replace what we currently using. Its time to go ride or at least try.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 02 September, 2015, 12:24:34 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 02 September, 2015, 12:36:26 pm
Good job he had all n+1 bikes.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: ianrauk on 02 September, 2015, 01:36:31 pm
From his FB feed.

Tarzan Rides the HAM'R Kurt Searvogel
1 hr ·
I asked A when is it time to admit defeat - she said "when your dead - now get on your bike and ride"
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 September, 2015, 02:04:22 pm
I think he might profitably carry at least one bike inside the van, even if it's got its wheels off and handlebars turned sideways.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 02 September, 2015, 08:13:36 pm

Welcome home Kurt!


Give me an S... and an H... and a I.... and a T!

Been a rough few days.

You see the advantage Steve has...? with a team who have heard of the word "maintenance"

Seriously though, that is the second time bikes have come off the back - I think an investment in a new bike rack would be profitable.

Beyond the mechanical issues - past history suggests Kurt is a competitor - he loves fighting for the no. 1 spot. But when you have the record 'in the bag,' when it is getting easier day-by-day, when there is no immediate pressure coming from Steve... the temptation to sit up a bit... well, that is just human.

Which makes you wonder what kind of bloke Tommy Godwin was? This is on a different axis to mental and physical strength. To keep going, day after day, for the sake of some number, for the hope that no one will ever match what you are doing... off the scale in terms of being a SUPER SUPER SUPER HARD SOaB!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 03 September, 2015, 01:38:21 pm
Like  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 September, 2015, 02:59:44 pm
A recent FB post indicates that Kurt is a member of ACF. I think it stands for Arkansas Cycling Federation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: DaveE128 on 07 September, 2015, 11:38:45 am
I note from the most excellent http://gicentre.org/oytt/ that Tarzan is staying just above Tommy's progress for the last few days (use the recent progress view) - he must surely be tracking it deliberately to not go under the line I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 07 September, 2015, 06:11:15 pm
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/11999048_10153545611987591_4016905882954101185_n.jpg?oh=c58e8f954440cab18413d23198226893&oe=565DDC3C)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 07 September, 2015, 07:06:15 pm
Awesum!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 September, 2015, 09:48:50 pm
Very much so.

"One more lap around the world to go" reminds me of an absolutely dreadful song in the BBC children's hymn book, which, many years ago, it was my excruciating duty to have to teach to the little buggers. I would imagine that several of our younger members used to sing it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 September, 2015, 03:16:25 am
Well done Kurt.  It takes me about 8 years to reach 50,000 miles and you have done it in 8 months.  Chapeau!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jane on 08 September, 2015, 11:52:17 am
Very much so.

"One more lap around the world to go" reminds me of an absolutely dreadful song in the BBC children's hymn book, which, many years ago, it was my excruciating duty to have to teach to the little buggers. I would imagine that several of our younger members used to sing it.
https://youtu.be/iQRyKMsp3pY
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 September, 2015, 02:00:57 pm
I_am_not_going_to_click_the_link...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 08 September, 2015, 06:11:30 pm
Kurt has put an appeal out on Facebook for pacing support.

Quote from: Kurt
ADULT BABYSITTER WANTED! - must be able to ride 20 mph and escort around old guy who is tired - apply at the big white van parked by 2RB anytime of the day or night. Simple 10 mile loop.  :) Groups and longer rides will be considered. Seriously I'll take all the help I can get over then next couple of months in AR. That is the way the record was set so I think I'll have to employ those tactics to insure we succeed!

I know that this is technically within the rules and that Tommy had the same for a couple of months. but personally I think it is a pity if this is the way the serious record attempts go. It's one thing to have a day or two with some pacing for a bit of relief, or some occasional company on the road to relieve the boredom, but concerted pacing turns this into a different sort of challenge.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 08 September, 2015, 06:17:40 pm
Sounds like the poor guy has had enough, and the end can't come soon enough!

Go Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 08 September, 2015, 06:48:39 pm
I am appaled.

ENsure, for pitys sake!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 08 September, 2015, 06:50:02 pm
I am appaled.

ENsure, for pitys sake!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 08 September, 2015, 07:09:44 pm
Kurt has put an appeal out on Facebook for pacing support.

I read that earlier but though it was more a bit of fun at his own expense than a serious plan.  Let's face it, what are the chances of getting anything like a steady stream of elite riders who have the time/inclination to spend days on the roads of Arkansas doing loops around Little Rock.

It does put into perspective the few months that Tommy had drafting the Raleigh team though.  Without that assistance the record would be several thousand miles shy of what it is and within "easier" reach. His solo riding early/late in the year, whilst still amazing, is closer to what you would expect from an individual rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 08 September, 2015, 07:21:19 pm
id be surprised if he stays in Arkansas for the next couple of months
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 08 September, 2015, 10:47:10 pm
I took the FB posting to be tongue in cheek. CUrrently at 163 miles according to the tracker, but this will be more with him doing loops. Awesome riding, go Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 09 September, 2015, 08:16:29 am
"It does put into perspective the few months that Tommy had drafting the Raleigh team though.  Without that assistance the record would be several thousand miles shy of what it is and within "easier" reach. His solo riding early/late in the year, whilst still amazing, is closer to what you would expect from an individual rider."

Can I just say once and for all that Raleigh DID NOT have a race team at the time as we know it. They sponsored individuals and did not race the Tour etc, the idea of a team drafting Godwin is ludicrous. Road racing in the UK was banned at the time, most professional racing was time trialling and track.

He was paced by Charlie Davey shouting at him from a car. That is all. Trust me I have spent years researching this.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 09 September, 2015, 08:45:51 am
Thanks for putting the record  straight CF. Not sure where I got the misinformation from  ??? That really does make TG's effort staggering.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 September, 2015, 08:54:11 am
I think the story about Tommy Godwin being drafted is probably quite old and Citizenfish tells us that his research indicates that it isn't true. It probably needs to be filed alongside the story that the Dun Run was started by a load of couriers who didn't know when to stop.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 09 September, 2015, 09:19:29 am
It's not old wowbagger. It has been extrapolated recently from the fact that he was "paced". We assume in modern times that pacing means drafting behind a pack. Godwin and Bennett's pacing was more about telling each how the other was doing in as real time as possible and accompanying them on the road in a car or motor bike and doing what you can to chivy them on. I suspect that each had the "odd moment" of drafting said motor and that their pacers steered them towards easier roads. But their is no evidence that they sat behind groups of riders or the cars all day long as Cycling magazine would have quickly put a stop to that, equally I would have found the costs in Raleigh's 1939 accounts which I have been through in detail.

I've got a book covering all of this coming out next month called "The Year".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 09 September, 2015, 12:18:37 pm

I've got a book covering all of this coming out next month called "The Year".
:thumbsup:
Where do I pre-order?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 September, 2015, 12:21:28 pm

I've got a book covering all of this coming out next month called "The Year".
:thumbsup:
Where do I pre-order?

And me!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 September, 2015, 12:51:18 pm
We're not sure, as a team, whether or not I can do the 300 mile days or if that is the best way to go about it.
The real headscratcher is how Tommy got by on so little sleep.
I have to keep an open mind on how to tackle it and as much as I like the idea of the 300 mile days, I have to do whatever works best for me. We don't know if Tommy had any special differences to me that enabled him to do what I cannot.
However, I remain hopeful of the 300 mile days even though I accept that they may not happen.
Hoppo may have put me on to something that may enable me to thrive on less sleep.
I have my theories about how it could work but it's early days.
The schedule is pretty much out the window. I am only really picking up from where I left off before the broken ankle so I am expecting the miles to increase until the weather knocks it down.
Kurt has proven that I don't need to do consecutive 300 milers but I will do whatever I can and give it my best.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 09 September, 2015, 01:01:05 pm
Brilliant, thanks for taking the time out to post an update, Steve.  :thumbsup:

We are all gunning for you, even though it is you doing all the work. And giving your best.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 09 September, 2015, 01:19:40 pm
That sounds like a sound plan of action Steve - good luck with it!  You can only do what you can do - no-one could expect more.

As you say, it's really puzzling how TG was able to but in those incredible consecutive daily distances during the summer months, but you can take hope from the fact that his winter and spring milages were, by your standards, very ordinary (as you proved earlier in the year).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 09 September, 2015, 01:26:02 pm
"We don't know if Tommy had any special differences to me that enabled him to do what I cannot."

I think the main thing was that he had Charlie on the road with him during these extended days, to some extent goading him on and also helping with logistics as the need arose. Bennett started doing 270+ days as well when he had Menzies shouting at him from the motorbike. Even then neither of them could sustain the 300 days.

Thanks for the comments on pre-orders. The book is up on Amazon but please don't .... Vertebrate Publishing will have  a buy direct link soon
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 09 September, 2015, 01:27:43 pm
it's really puzzling how TG was able to but in those incredible consecutive daily distances

I always assumed toothgrinder was a play on words.

Either by coincidence or design it also echoes Tommy's initials.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 10 September, 2015, 06:28:58 am
Kurt has put an appeal out on Facebook for pacing support.

I read that earlier but though it was more a bit of fun at his own expense than a serious plan.  Let's face it, what are the chances of getting anything like a steady stream of elite riders who have the time/inclination to spend days on the roads of Arkansas doing loops around Little Rock.

Even if jokey in style, I think the appeal was a real one. Here's the latest post from Alicia, describing Kurt's big 244 mile day on Tuesday:

Quote from: Alicia
Yesterday was a good day! Tarzan put down some sizzling miles despite the miserable humid heat in the high 90's (van registered over 100 degrees and heat index 110 - ouch). Local superstar Greg Eberdt caught up with Kurt and gave him a good pull dragging me along too. If you're out riding give him a wave, cheer him on, or turn around and ride with him! Give him a pull or just ride as long as you can, anything helps the cause. He loves the company, it boosts his moral and you will be part of history in the making!!! Thanks ~ The Crew
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 10 September, 2015, 06:41:57 am
Brilliant, thanks for taking the time out to post an update, Steve.  :thumbsup:

We are all gunning for you, even though it is you doing all the work. And giving your best.


Yes!!!

And, of course, gunning for Kurt (and Alicia) as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 September, 2015, 07:02:06 am
Thanks for putting the record  straight CF. Not sure where I got the misinformation from  ??? That really does make TG's effort staggering.

Possibly from the Cycling Weekly articles about the record. Cycling Weekly being the successor to 'Cycling'. Somehow the story has mutated to 'Plucky Brit against the odds'. There are enough 'Patriots' around to float that boat. There are three people in the world who are wrestling with the reality. Four if you count Alicia, which I'm inclined to do.


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However, the two men refused to be deterred by these hardships. Egged on by each other and their sponsors, their monthly figures quickly began to dwarf those set by Nicholson. Bennett took the honours between March and June, consistently riding further than Godwin each month and clawing back Godwin’s advantage.

In July 1939, Godwin rode a massive 8,583 miles in response, barely pausing for sleep, as both riders were being paced by other riders or their sponsors setting mileage objectives. It had got out of hand, and by mutual consent the pacing ceased, leaving the riders to complete the year riding solo.


Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/cycling-weekly/tommy-godwin-75065-miles-in-a-year-45701#myzfHCBz5htzz44I.99

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 10 September, 2015, 10:56:29 am

I've got a book covering all of this coming out next month called "The Year".
:thumbsup:
Where do I pre-order?

And me!
I'm Spartacus!

er... I mean, me too! :D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tim Hall on 10 September, 2015, 10:57:05 am

I've got a book covering all of this coming out next month called "The Year".
:thumbsup:
Where do I pre-order?

Pre order? Pre order?  Gah. 

(Where do I order?)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 10 September, 2015, 01:47:41 pm
Quote from: Alicia
Yesterday was a good day! Tarzan put down some sizzling miles despite the miserable humid heat in the high 90's (van registered over 100 degrees and heat index 110 - ouch). Local superstar Greg Eberdt caught up with Kurt and gave him a good pull dragging me along too. If you're out riding give him a wave, cheer him on, or turn around and ride with him! Give him a pull or just ride as long as you can, anything helps the cause. He loves the company, it boosts his moral and you will be part of history in the making!!! Thanks ~ The Crew

If I were there I'd go join him on the road.
GO KURT!

(GO A BIT FURTHER, STEVE!)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 10 September, 2015, 02:29:10 pm
Me too.  Although I suspect I'd hinder his daily miles rather than help them, given how fast he trundles up and down the highway (as I think the leftpondians call it).

(Separate point.  Although a bit cheesy, and although he isn't a member, and although this probably isn't the place to raise it, I did wonder whether AUK could give Kurt some sort of "merit" recognition for the interest he has generated in long distance cycling.  Solidarity and all that).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 10 September, 2015, 03:12:11 pm
I did wonder whether AUK could give Kurt some sort of "merit" recognition for the interest he has generated in long distance cycling. 

What a great idea
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 10 September, 2015, 04:25:39 pm
Thanks for putting the record  straight CF. Not sure where I got the misinformation from  ??? That really does make TG's effort staggering.

Possibly from the Cycling Weekly articles about the record. Cycling Weekly being the successor to 'Cycling'. Somehow the story has mutated to 'Plucky Brit against the odds'.

Ah - thanks for that.  I knew I'd read somewhere earlier in the year about Godwin being paced.  I suspect we'll never know exactly what went on in those summer months, although CF's book should be as close to definitive as we're ever likely to get, by the sounds of it.  Looking forward to reading it.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 10 September, 2015, 05:03:23 pm
We're not sure, as a team, whether or not I can do the 300 mile days or if that is the best way to go about it.
The real headscratcher is how Tommy got by on so little sleep.
I have to keep an open mind on how to tackle it and as much as I like the idea of the 300 mile days, I have to do whatever works best for me. We don't know if Tommy had any special differences to me that enabled him to do what I cannot.
However, I remain hopeful of the 300 mile days even though I accept that they may not happen.
Hoppo may have put me on to something that may enable me to thrive on less sleep.
I have my theories about how it could work but it's early days.
The schedule is pretty much out the window. I am only really picking up from where I left off before the broken ankle so I am expecting the miles to increase until the weather knocks it down.
Kurt has proven that I don't need to do consecutive 300 milers but I will do whatever I can and give it my best.
Thanks for taking the time to post, Steve. Dealing with lack of sleep is a real problem - take it from someone who does it for a a living! People react in very different ways - I'm lucky, after 40-odd years of it I can function quite well on repeated days of very little sleep, and continue doing it indefinitely (though Dog knows what it's doing to my health in the long term...). The important thing is to work within your own limits, and don't push them too far while you're engaged in the OYTT. The consequences of chronic fatigue will have at least as bad an effect on your progress as a broken ankle!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 10 September, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
Thanks for putting the record  straight CF. Not sure where I got the misinformation from  ??? That really does make TG's effort staggering.

Possibly from the Cycling Weekly articles about the record. Cycling Weekly being the successor to 'Cycling'. Somehow the story has mutated to 'Plucky Brit against the odds'.

Ah - thanks for that.  I knew I'd read somewhere earlier in the year about Godwin being paced.  I suspect we'll never know exactly what went on in those summer months, although CF's book should be as close to definitive as we're ever likely to get, by the sounds of it.  Looking forward to reading it.  :)

Embarrassingly I wrote the CW piece ;-) The scant information I found showed that he occasionally had "some" company, hence the "other riders" comment, but the main commentary relates to his coach/mentor following him in a car (I have a picture of it somewhere). I read every inch of the Raleigh archives and every cycling magazine in 1939 to try and dig further, but little detail remains. Godwin was notoriously off-hand about the record post war and revealed little to even his closest friends/family. There is a book about his coach Charlie Davey, but this only has a few paragraphs to cover his management of Godwin's record.

This is why all of the current riders deserve huge accolade regardless of where their mileages end up. They've given us the empirical evidence that has been lost (Cycling apparently binned all of their records of these years including the mileage cards, imagine the stories these cards would tell?) and we're starting to properly understand the year record again. If I had my way I'd get them all knighted.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 September, 2015, 06:44:17 pm
Do we know who wrote this piece, in a history of the Raleigh Record Ace?
Quote
Spending up to 18 hours a day in the saddle, Godwin's best day's run was an amazing 361 miles on 21 June 1939. After six months, he had ridden 34,610 miles. July saw the most miles, 8,581, chalked up (an average of 277 a day) and that month Godwin stopped riding with pacers and the rest of his record was accomplished solo. The 50,000-mile mark was reached on 29 August and with two months to spare, he broke the previous record riding into Trafalgar Square on 26 October completing 62,658 miles. By year's end Godwin had notched up 75,065 miles (averaging 205.6 miles a day), riding through the appalling winter of 1939-40 and despite wartime blackout restrictions and rationing. He reached the remarkable mark of 100,000 miles before finally halting on 14 May 1940 after an incredible 499 days awheel. These records remain unbroken to this day.

http://www.ipernity.com/blog/286349/633421

The Nottingham Post is quoted further up the page. They might have covered Godwin in some detail. Interesting that Ferris is listed as a Sturmey Archer rider. Godwin had previously used a Cyclo gear.

Quote
“The splendid performance of S.H. Ferris, latest recruit to the ranks of Nottingham’s ‘star’ cyclists, in beating (subject to EEA confirmation) in the early hours of this morning the national Edinburgh-London record for unpaced road riding is expected to bring a new phase of prosperity to the works of Messrs. Sturmey-Archer Gears Ltd. Ferris, who is riding professionally for this Nottingham concern, is expected to attach further records next year. His object is to emphasise the greater efficiency of the product of the British gear industry against many foreign types of chain gears which have invaded the country in recent years” Nottingham Post, 14 October 1936
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 10 September, 2015, 08:41:22 pm
small note about 300 mile days,

Lee Fancourt is attempting 6200 miles in 20 days later this month

https://www.facebook.com/Leefancourtendurancecyclist?fref=ts

he's got a lot of previous records, i fully expect him to have a crack at the year at some point 2017 i guess
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 11 September, 2015, 04:06:33 am
Kurt's mpd target rose with his mechanical and chest problems but recent days have dropped his target to 200.13 mpd, so should drop below 200 tomorrow.  Respect for Kurt increases - there are those who say he has had it easier but much of the US is 25 - 35C during the summer and have spent the last two weeks cycling in such heat and humidity its not easy, even for the locals.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 11 September, 2015, 08:35:30 am
When this all started at the beginning of the year, I thought Kurt was a bit of a tart with the deep rims and recumbent and everything, however as time has gone on I really have warmed to him he really presents himself well. I enjoy the facebook videos which quite often show how much of a strain the record is having on him and Alicia both physically and mentally not to mention the wear and tear on the hardware.
I like the fact its a warts and all account, open and honest much kudos to Alicia for that.

I think as long as fate doesn't intervene then I think Kurt will get the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 September, 2015, 09:22:32 am
I think the story about Tommy Godwin being drafted is probably quite old and Citizenfish tells us that his research indicates that it isn't true. It probably needs to be filed alongside the story that the Dun Run was started by a load of couriers who didn't know when to stop.

Tommy's year record wasn't a record in any meaningful sense. It used the same self-reporting that anybody could send to 'Cycling', and you can do today in the AUK 'Mileater' award.

Everyone would naturally count their club-run mileages, which are paced of course. There was some validation, in Tommy getting proof of passage, and there was a sealed speedometer. But this wasn't a Roads Record Association sanctioned record.

The story told has always been that the 300 plus days were the result of systematic pacing, that the competing manufacturers came to an agreement to stop doing that, and that the mileages returned to what they had been.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 11 September, 2015, 12:47:17 pm
When this all started at the beginning of the year, I thought Kurt was a bit of a tart with the deep rims and recumbent and everything, however as time has gone on I really have warmed to him he really presents himself well. I enjoy the facebook videos which quite often show how much of a strain the record is having on him and Alicia both physically and mentally not to mention the wear and tear on the hardware.
I like the fact its a warts and all account, open and honest much kudos to Alicia for that.

I think as long as fate doesn't intervene then I think Kurt will get the record.

Cannot agree more.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 13 September, 2015, 01:09:44 pm
Go Kurt, keep churning out those miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 September, 2015, 02:39:59 pm
Kurt has got his target miles per day down below 200 again, after his mishaps last week.  By calculations, not a patch on the excellent Jo's, if he keeps up his recent 220 mpd he would {only} require 196 mpd by the end of the month.

So he's still on track to achieve the target but it could be a close run thing if he has further mishaps.  220mpd for the rest of the year would still only give him 10 days grace and give him 2400 miles above Tommy's total

Regards

Colin
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 15 September, 2015, 12:54:24 am
I agree Alicia has done excellent work in making the videos - numbers are numbers, but the videos give a real insight into what it is like getting on a bike to ride 200+ miles every day. They are compelling watching, even with the same plot every day, and the leading man mostly has his jaws locked onto a double cheeseburger!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 September, 2015, 08:44:30 am
Kurt's 233 mile day yesterday brought his mpd target to 199.25.  More storming days like that and the light will start to appear at the end the tunnel.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 16 September, 2015, 10:34:17 am
Kurt's 233 mile day yesterday brought his mpd target to 199.25.  More storming days like that and the light will start to appear at the end the tunnel.

Looking at the UMCA Hamr chart, this confused me because Kurt's and Tommy's progress lines are overlaid.
Maths is maths though and after doing the sums, 199.25 is Kurt's daily target.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 16 September, 2015, 10:50:18 am
Why the confusion?  Is it that you expect them to be apart, Tommy being on 206?  Jo's full year chart shows why that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 September, 2015, 02:16:33 pm
Now less than 199mpd. 

The other stat that sticks out was the average riding speed of 18.2mph.  I am not known for hanging about on Audax events, but there are precious few where I would have achieved this on a single event (of events more than, I think the list would be 1, the Rough Diamond a couple of years back).  To have achieved this on 330k per day average for most of a year, irrespective of terrain, weather, and bicycle is nothing short of astonishing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 22 September, 2015, 02:29:51 pm
I was musing about Kurt's objective now he is approaching the 3/4 stage.  On current pace he will break the record and add just over 1,000k to it.  Will he deem that to be enough, or will he have a final big push to try and put the record further out of reach?  I guess we'll find out soon.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 22 September, 2015, 05:05:10 pm
I am not known for hanging about on Audax events ...
...nothing short of astonishing.

I think that even if you are the fastest of the fast in audax terms, there is a gulf between elite cyclists and the rest. 

I know that there is no utility in comparing the fastest etape riders with regular TdF riders.  They are different animals.  Kurt is not known as the Beast for nothing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 September, 2015, 07:00:32 pm
I am not known for hanging about on Audax events ...
...nothing short of astonishing.

I think that even if you are the fastest of the fast in audax terms, there is a gulf between elite cyclists and the rest. 

I know that there is no utility in comparing the fastest etape riders with regular TdF riders.  They are different animals.  Kurt is not known as the Beast for nothing.

I hasten to add that I wasn't making any exceptional claims about my own abilities - there are plenty of riders whose wheels I am not able even to suck -  I was just standing back in astonishment
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 22 September, 2015, 08:00:24 pm
Quote
I was musing about Kurt's objective now he is approaching the 3/4 stage.  On current pace he will break the record and add just over 1,000k to it.

so that gives him the record with around 3 days to spare

even a hail mary of riding for 3 days straight wouldn't add a great deal on the basis of the record
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 22 September, 2015, 08:50:34 pm
Quote
I was musing about Kurt's objective now he is approaching the 3/4 stage.  On current pace he will break the record and add just over 1,000k to it.

so that gives him the record with around 3 days to spare

even a hail mary of riding for 3 days straight wouldn't add a great deal on the basis of the record

I wasn't thinking of a final effort once over the line - as you say that would be comparative peanuts.  Rather prehaps gradually increasing daily milages when he is reasonably confident of reaching the record total, perhaps starting 6 or 8 weeks out.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 September, 2015, 10:57:30 pm
There is still a very long way to go - about 20,000 miles, in 100 days. It is my view that it is far too soon to be looking that far ahead.

It will be a great psychological milestone when the total left drops into 4 figures, rather like a run-chase in 1-day cricket when the "required" total drops below 99. Then you really start to appreciate what every day/over means to quest.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 23 September, 2015, 09:02:20 am
I think we've shown that there are as many ways of looking at this as Steve has supporters :)

If it was me (and I've been in similar* situations), the psychological advantages come from buffers against the unexpected. e.g. knowing you have a day in hand means you can lose a day to illness, freak weather or mechanicals.
Having 3 days in hand must feel great!





*i.e. 1/365th of the duration :P
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 September, 2015, 09:32:07 am
It also means that you have to do fewer miles each day to keep 3 days in hand.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 September, 2015, 09:35:15 am
It seems as though Kurt's request for company is paying off!

Quote
Did a big loop out east then rode with lots of people in the afternoon. Adam Xaysuda, Greg Eberdt, Lisa Longinotti and many more!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 September, 2015, 10:50:04 pm
I was amused by Kurt's comment about his new custom wheel "working great". Wheels are pretty fundamental things for cycling, and I think you would know it very quickly if it wasn't working properly!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 24 September, 2015, 02:27:03 am
Kurt's in the hospital at the moment. Heart spiked into the 200's today and he's been diagnosed with AFib...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 September, 2015, 02:42:39 am
Ouch!  GWS, Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 24 September, 2015, 02:43:35 am
That's such bad news

From Facebook "Kurt's getting an EKG now. His heart rate spiked to 211 bpm. After 30 minutes of rest it was only down to 170 bpm. Back to Urgent Care".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 24 September, 2015, 04:14:31 am
From Kurt at 4am BST after recording 171.9 miles

"This afternoon - my HR spike up over 210 and wouldn't come back down below 170 after 30 minutes so against my will, Alicia made me ride over to the urgent care. At urgent care my HR was 65 but garmin was recording 170. The top half of my heart was beating at 170 and the bottom half was beating at 65. So they hooked me up to an EKG and determined I was in Atrial Fibrillation and was sent over to the Heart Hospital. By the time I got to the Heart Hospital my heart was beating normally again. They took blood and determined my thyroid is wack and that I was dehydrated. I now wear a live tracking heart rate monitor and have an appointment with a cardiologist. No restriction on my activities for now. May sleep in tomorrow or may ride not sure how I'm feeling about all this. It was epic enough before - I don't need anything else to make this more challenging.."
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 24 September, 2015, 07:19:57 am
Jeepers, that's scary.

Go carefully Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 24 September, 2015, 07:42:28 am
AF is a pain in the arse - an inconvenience for people in everyday life - but for someone cycling 200 miles a day in a record attempt, it must be a major setback. I hope he finds a way to get it under control.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 24 September, 2015, 08:21:39 am
Mebbe they need to get a defibrillator in the van . . .

Kurt has done so much ultra-distance competition it is hard to believe that he's had this issue all along. Must be cumulative damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 24 September, 2015, 10:46:11 am
"The strong association of endurance athletics and atrial fibrillation."

http://www.drjohnm.org/2011/03/cw-that-exercise-has-an-upper-limit-makes-perfect-sense/

I wish Kurt the very best in dealing with this.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2015, 12:03:27 pm
Absolutely. It must be a very frightening prospect.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 24 September, 2015, 12:49:06 pm
I'm astounded that he's riding 220 mpd in this condition.  When I was suffering from AF, I would have to stop for a rest half way on a 7 mile commute.
It's easily treatable, but not on a bike.  And is then drug controllable.

Take care Kurt.  Don't do permanent damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 24 September, 2015, 02:30:33 pm
Yes here is to a quick recovery...I had AF fixed with ablation but meant I had to miss PBP.  According to my EP (cardiologist who fixes electrical problems of the heart) current thinking is that the risk is associated with the gap between resting rate and ty your rate while doing activity.  SO if you ride 'carefully' in the endurance zone the risk is minimised.  If you go to racing mode with HR going above 200 and a resting rate of 35 risk is much increased.  It is all rather cutting edge however.
Lees
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Grandad on 24 September, 2015, 02:52:20 pm
 http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93175&p=939240#p939240 (http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93175&p=939240#p939240)

Post at 1.25pm today links a very detailed article on older endurance athletes and heart problems
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 24 September, 2015, 02:59:49 pm
Well he's off and riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2015, 03:17:33 pm
He is. Currently at 4.5mph, according to his tracker, having covered 7.5 miles so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 24 September, 2015, 03:47:12 pm
Wishing Kurt good riding, and all the wisdom necessary.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 24 September, 2015, 04:14:26 pm
Reading the thread on FB, there seems to be at least one medically-qualified commenter willing to help out, and he has been told that he needn't change anything he does while he carries the medical heart recording device (though I wonder if he told them at the heart hospital that he was riding 220 mpd?!). Hopefully the condition can be managed while he continues to ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 24 September, 2015, 04:23:34 pm
i noticed his (ex?) wife also posted, with praise and support

 Go Kurt :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 24 September, 2015, 06:48:25 pm
From the tracker it looks like he's having an easy day - 50 miles done but "only" doing about 8 mph
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 24 September, 2015, 07:00:05 pm
Reading the thread on FB, there seems to be at least one medically-qualified commenter willing to help out, and he has been told that he needn't change anything he does while he carries the medical heart recording device (though I wonder if he told them at the heart hospital that he was riding 220 mpd?!). Hopefully the condition can be managed while he continues to ride.

Given the litigious nature of the US and the possibility that the medically-qualified person probably doesn't know have access to Kurt's medical records, he's very brave to be giving such advice IMO.

GWS Kurt.   
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 September, 2015, 08:30:50 pm
He's ratcheting up the speed now. 19.5mph.

I have to say I question the wisdom of this approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 24 September, 2015, 08:57:03 pm
Given that he is capable of riding at 20mph with a lower heart rate than your or my resting rate, I have to say I'm not able to judge the wisdom of his approach. From the little I understand about AF in endurance athletes, this is more about long-term activity than it is about his effort at any one point in time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 25 September, 2015, 09:58:03 am
A local TV interview done yesterday after the heart scare - http://www.thv11.com/story/news/local/2015/09/24/local-cyclists-riding-to-break-world-record/72756088/ (http://www.thv11.com/story/news/local/2015/09/24/local-cyclists-riding-to-break-world-record/72756088/)

Doesn't look too concerned!

Interestingly he is now saying he would be happy to break the record by just 1 mile, and has given up thoughts of adding a significant distance to the total.

Glad that he appears to be back on track.  It would be such a shame if either rider had to abandon for unforeseen reasons.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 September, 2015, 06:05:11 pm
He may do that, but let's say he breaks the record with a week to go. I wouldn't mind betting that he still gets out on his bike during the following week, even if it isn't for 10 or more hours. and if he's done the miles, then he might as well log them.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 September, 2015, 09:43:30 pm
Kurt has headed a long way south today, not that far from the Louisiana border. I wouldn't have thought he would have wanted to move too close to the coast year, because the hurricane season has hardly started.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 27 September, 2015, 01:20:02 pm
He's had what sounds to be a spectacular pothole-induced off. Nothing injured but a bit of skin and lycra.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 27 September, 2015, 05:06:24 pm
He may do that, but let's say he breaks the record with a week to go.

I'd like to see him break the calendar year 1YTT.  Starting a fraction later than Steve always left a mild sour taste in my mouth.  (It did not feel like a fair fight).

Good luck to him and awesome respect for what he has achieved.  I still believe that it is King Tommy as the best of all time.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 27 September, 2015, 11:13:13 pm
The latest of Alicia's facebook reports -

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TARZAN UPDATE: Kurt was out the door before 5:AM heading east then south/southwest. BDB is today and he was planning on riding, but he's had enough excitement for the week. We hope everyone understands and has a great ride today. Yesterday, the cardiologist was encouraging and said, "Don't give up!" So, he is good to go. Although, he does need to get his hypothyroid under control and see an endocrinologist asap. And yes, I'll be dragging his stubborn butt in to see whoever he needs to see to make sure he is healthy enough to continue. I expected this last lap around the earth to be the most difficult with unexpected road blocks and challenges. We have both taken big hits, yet there is no stopping us. This is just what we were meant to do. Thank you for all of your well wishes and support. ~ Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 28 September, 2015, 01:16:48 am
Looks like a huge one today from Kurt - 240 on the tracker and he's still going.

Edit - 251 and still going!

Edit no 2 - 262.08 miles on the tracker and still going.  I'm off to bed!

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 28 September, 2015, 05:18:36 am
He had a car trip between two periods of riding, so I think the tracker would have given a misleading impression. There's also an 8 mile stretch at around 10:30am where he appears to have hopped in the car. So I make it around 205 miles for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 28 September, 2015, 02:52:23 pm
He had a car trip between two periods of riding, so I think the tracker would have given a misleading impression. There's also an 8 mile stretch at around 10:30am where he appears to have hopped in the car. So I make it around 205 miles for the day.

That explains it - he must have left the tracker on.  Although the mileages both Kurt and Steve clock are incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: falcon on 29 September, 2015, 05:41:45 am
I see there is a one off big spike in heart rate on Mondays ride, be careful out there Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 29 September, 2015, 05:45:29 am
Although it appears to coincide with a burst of speed and the largest spike seems to be the climb over the bridge, so presumably all under control.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 30 September, 2015, 10:28:34 am
Things don't appear to be under control.
Recumbent shifter, derailleur have bitten the dust.
Alicia taking Kurt to Urgent Care because he couldn't breath (very easily). Watched the vid but can't really work out any more details.
Only managed 124miles
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RichForrest on 30 September, 2015, 10:35:25 am
Day 263 says 211 miles
That video about not breathing says day 199?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 30 September, 2015, 10:36:15 am
Day 263 says 211 miles
That video about not breathing says day 199?

Yeah - that's all old news, I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 30 September, 2015, 10:42:04 am
That's confusing - it's appeared as the top video in his hamr page. sorry if I've mislead people.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 30 September, 2015, 10:54:41 am
Alicia is a long way behind on editing the videos.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 01 October, 2015, 08:52:26 am
Another 200+ day despite his health worries.  55,000 miles and counting and (only) 198.27 miles per day to go.  Am really hoping that he does succeed, but I don't think he will go far past Tommy Godwin's mark, so will leave Teethgrinder with a manageable target for August next year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 October, 2015, 09:09:27 am
I think you are probably right about not beating the 1939 record by much. If we think back a year to when the negotiations over rules etc. were still under way, did Kurt not decide to walk away at one point, only to come back in when Steve had finalised the rules?

I have always gained the impression that Kurt did this not because it was a lifelong ambition, as it has been for Steve, but simply because it was yet another big challenge which presented itself.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 01 October, 2015, 09:32:29 am
His daily average suggests he'll add 1001 miles at the moment.  Not much?  Depends on you point of view I guess, that's a damn long way to me.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 01 October, 2015, 09:42:11 am
Whilst they don't sound like much, I think those extra 3 miles or so a day about Tommy Godwin's record will be an incredible achievement.  If I'm honest, I can't see any of the known challengers beating that average pace without a paradigm shift in how their record attempts have progressed so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 01 October, 2015, 11:58:38 am
I agree with Wowsa that, for Kurt, this is a challenge that happened to come up on the radar rather than a lifelong ambition. But you can't argue with the effectiveness of his campaign! Steve, I think, has learned a good deal form Kurt's approach (for the concurrent attempt) and appears to be applying the same principle of doing just a little more than a Standard Godwin as an average, rather than looking for repeated summer days of 300+ miles. Miles' attempt I just don't get; he's claiming to be 'on WR pace' but is something like 7500 miles off it. I can't take him seriously in this context, even though his mileage is way beyond anything I could achieve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 02 October, 2015, 08:05:46 pm
Kurt has asked Alicia to marry him, with a chocolate donut ring!

Is this guy serious.

Clearly he certainly has humour.

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos/1661763417398698/
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 03 October, 2015, 08:01:41 am
Donut? Pah! Cheapskate.

I proposed to Mrs W with a bag of chips  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Goldcrank on 03 October, 2015, 08:51:46 am
Ringos?

http://www.goldenwonder.com/range/ringos
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 03 October, 2015, 09:01:31 pm
Congratulations to Tarzan and Alicia. Maybe on behalf of team Steve we could scrape together funds for a 2 week ( no bikes allowed ) honeymoon sometime before the year ends! ; )
Seriously I wish them well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 October, 2015, 12:06:28 pm
Jack: I have to warn you, I've heard relationships based on intense experiences never work.
Annie: ["Rest of exchange removed on the grounds of being in poor taste.  Google it if you must" - Ed.]
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 04 October, 2015, 12:34:37 pm
Just posted on FB:

Quote from: Alicia
Yesterday was rough. Kurt rode about 164 miles. We found a stretch of 50 miles along a highway that had a great shoulder with a rumble strip next to the white line. His energy was very low and he was complaining about being very tired. In an effort to maximize road and wind conditions of 10 to 15 mph, I would shuttle him back to the starting point giving him a chance to rest or nap. This worked for a while, but he just didn't have it in him. By the time we got home last night I had driven 480 miles. We are both pooped. He's gotten up a few times only to go back to bed, then I thought he was leaving when I found him curled up in the overstuffed chair. Kurt is currently laying on his yoga mat wrapped up in a blanket... oh yea, it's gonna be a big miles day. ~ Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 04 October, 2015, 01:07:28 pm
I'm surprised that there aren't more days like that for all three riders and for Alicia. I am in awe of them all in not letting the tired days derail the whole venture. Interestingly though, despite the fatigue, he did manage one of his fastest days yet (10th fastest since the start). Or more likely the fatigue is partly a result of the speed he was riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 04 October, 2015, 02:35:49 pm
I agree.  In a year for which 164 miles is a massive disappointment, the resilience of all athletes & crew is incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 04 October, 2015, 03:14:31 pm
I'm surprised that there aren't more days like that for all three riders and for Alicia. I am in awe of them all in not letting the tired days derail the whole venture. Interestingly though, despite the fatigue, he did manage one of his fastest days yet (10th fastest since the start). Or more likely the fatigue is partly a result of the speed he was riding.
... or maybe the speed was due to entirely flat tail-wind riding?

(not a criticism, before the usual suspects jump down my throat .... )
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 04 October, 2015, 07:45:05 pm
Whatever the cause, Kurt has enough 'slack' to be able to allow for the odd day of fatigue.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 04 October, 2015, 08:53:40 pm
I agree.  In a year for which 164 miles is a massive disappointment, the resilience of all athletes & crew is incredible.
Nail on the head from Mr Clarion  :thumbsup:

Sleep Kurt, go Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 05 October, 2015, 04:51:41 am
Wishing Kurt and Alicia very well!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 05 October, 2015, 08:18:07 am
This all sounds like me at the weekend  :-\


Anyway hope his energy levels return soon.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 05 October, 2015, 07:34:39 pm
More drama than Eastenders!

Been thinking that for the past month,
and it just keeps on coming...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 05 October, 2015, 08:30:13 pm
Beastenders.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 October, 2015, 08:32:34 pm
I don't know if other people get this on long events, but sometimes I struggle when I'm on the homeward stretch, the biggest challenges are over, and its just a matter of keeping going to the finish.  On PBP I call it the Road to Dreux syndrome. 

I wonder if Kurt is struggling with the OYTT equivalent of this.  He's got the daily distance down to what he has been doing comfortably.  He's almost 3/4 of the way there and now he's feeling the fatigue.  Is something going on which is along the lines of "I've proven I can do this, do I have to really go through with the last bit?"

That's not to take away from his immense achievement but pondering the fact that he's had more than his fair share of bad days and health scares over the last month.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 05 October, 2015, 08:48:07 pm
Interesting point.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 05 October, 2015, 09:05:27 pm
It's not just you CET...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 07 October, 2015, 11:52:00 am
Sounds like Kurt is back in the office, kicking out the miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 10 October, 2015, 05:44:36 pm
Kurt's still (understandably) feeling the weariness of the challenge, but getting something of a fillip from supporters. From Alicia via Facebook today...

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Kurt was just plain tired yesterday and I was down after a reaction from a dental procedure, so that didn't help. If I go down, he goes down. He asked me, "Is this were we fell off the mountain?" I said, "No, we fell into a crevasse and now we are dangling by our ropes. If the rope breaks we fall into the dark cold abyss below. We need to find a way to climb out or wait to be rescued." Boys and girls, it's getting tough. There was a Wounded Warriors riding event this morning and he planned to ride with Ben. This got him to climb back into the saddle. His motivation lowers in the evening and that's when I need to get out there. To the cyclists in the Little Rock area, you have no idea how encouraging it is for Kurt that you show up, turn around on your own training, ask him to join your group ride, etc... know that you've come to the rescue. Thank you. ~ Alicia

 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 10 October, 2015, 07:05:22 pm
IMHO there's a notable lack of cyclists encouraging Steve on the road. Just saying.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 October, 2015, 07:14:07 pm
Steve's somewhat harder to find.
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Post by: Wobbly on 10 October, 2015, 07:29:35 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 11 October, 2015, 11:44:10 pm
Unless it's a tracker problem, I think Kurt is having another bad day.  No movement for almost 5 hours.  Hope it's nothing serious.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 12 October, 2015, 06:23:27 am
It must have been a tracker problem. 227 miles posted on Strava.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: geraldc on 12 October, 2015, 03:21:51 pm
Saw on facebook they filled the van with the wrong fuel.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 12 October, 2015, 06:25:35 pm
The Facebook post from Alicia in full...

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Alicia here with just another day...

Do you ever get so mad at yourself for doing something so stupid?

Well, I am officially an idiot. Major blunder racing around in a hurry early yesterday morning. I went to the gas station to fill the Sprinter van with diesel and the pump wasn't working. Then I realized the gas station wasn't open yet. Really? I thought most gas stations were open 24 hrs. Ok, fine I drove to another one that was open. Great, I'm already running late. It was still dark out but looking in the rear view mirror I noticed the curtains were closed in the back of the van. When I stopped at the gas station, I jumped in the back to open the shades. My cell rang and I jumped to the front, grabbed my phone and hopped out of the van. It was Kurt so I answered the call and started to proceed with the pay-at-the-pump routine and started filling up with fuel. As I'm going over plans with Kurt I am horrified when I see that what I am fueling the van with is unleaded gas and not diesel. This is a diesel engine. "No! I just put in 25 dollars worth of unleaded gas in the van!!!"

In grim shock we both said it at the same time, "We're F#*@%ed."

I wanted to scream and cry, but I couldn't. My bike was on the rack, so I put what riding cloths I had on and rode back to the house to get the minivan. It was at the most five miles all uphill, dark and cold. It helped that I froze my anger and frustration off, but not the best way to start the day.

Now, the joy of getting the Spinter towed and flushed. I dread to find how much this will cost. I was beating myself up all day about it, but Kurt never got mad at me. When I asked him, "Why aren't you mad?" He said, "We all do stupid stuff, but won't admit it." Then he proceeded to tell me one of his major blunders.

Well, ok, even though it's not ok...

Either the tracker's also b0rked today, or it will be another short one (36 miles currently showing). While its obviously an inconvenience for Alicia in particular to have the van out of action, I'm not quite sure why it is so much a problem for Kurt's riding, given that he is spending most of his time riding pretty close to home (certainly by Steve standards).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 12 October, 2015, 06:41:53 pm
Either the tracker's also b0rked today, or it will be another short one (36 miles currently showing).

I'm pretty sure it's the tracker if yesterday is anything to go by.  Exactly the same thing happened - just stopped dead in mid-afternoon.  It's slightly worrying for those of us who like to track their progress from time to time though!

Yeah, can't see why the van should be too big a problem whilst still at home.  As you say, inconvenient rather than attempt-threatening.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 12 October, 2015, 07:01:38 pm
when your tired, you can catastrophise the little things quite easily
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 12 October, 2015, 11:04:50 pm
IMHO there's a notable lack of cyclists encouraging Steve on the road. Just saying.

IMBW but I thought Steve's preferred MO these days was to be able to vary the route as and when each day in order to maximise distance; having to synchronise with support riders would add extra work which may not benefit Steve...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: barakta on 12 October, 2015, 11:47:47 pm
I get the impression that Steve prefers people not to necessarily ride with him cos he isn't always wanting to be chatty or sociable and wants to control his own speed and focus on heartrate etc. An occasional hi/wave and even accompaniment if you can keep up but generally from what I've seen of him in interviews he's a more solitary introverted kinda character than Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 14 October, 2015, 12:34:22 pm
when your tired, you can catastrophise the little things quite easily

When you are tired, it is quite an accomplishment NOT to catastrophise the little things...

Perhaps all that cycling helps keep things in perspective? 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 17 October, 2015, 08:57:30 pm
Facebook update says he has a new Orbrea TT bike, courtesy of the company

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 October, 2015, 08:13:51 am
Congratulations to the newlyweds.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 October, 2015, 08:19:35 am
Clearly inspired by Laura & Rob.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 20 October, 2015, 12:42:59 pm
Congratulations to the newlyweds.

Getting married obviously took time away from his riding.  Does this man have any dedication to the task in hand!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Vince on 20 October, 2015, 12:45:13 pm
Perhaps next time Jo publishes his 'hours on the bike' chart, he will mark the wedding slot.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 20 October, 2015, 03:51:01 pm
Getting married obviously took time away from his riding.  Does this man have any dedication to the task in hand!!

He'll probably stick in a long one today to make up for it!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Psychler on 20 October, 2015, 04:31:59 pm
Getting married obviously took time away from his riding.  Does this man have any dedication to the task in hand!!

He'll probably stick in a long one today to make up for it!

Fnaar, fnaar!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 20 October, 2015, 04:56:09 pm
(http://joysoria.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/0880-sid-james-laughingsid-james-laughing-posters.jpg?w=470)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 20 October, 2015, 07:26:22 pm
Perhaps next time Jo publishes his 'hours on the bike' chart, he will mark the wedding slot.

He already has done, but its a only a little hump on the chart...........       :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 20 October, 2015, 09:52:35 pm
Congratulations to both... a year to remember!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 21 October, 2015, 10:36:40 am
Tommy Godwin took time out to see the King.  Tarzan takes time out to get married.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 21 October, 2015, 10:51:46 am
Tommy Godwin took time out to see the King.  Tarzan takes time out to get married.
Godwin's diary entry for that day (28 October) says "Prince of Wales".  But there wasn't a Prince of Wales in 1939 between Edward VIII taking to the throne in 1936 and the birth of Prince Charles in 1948.  It is thought that TG's reference is to a pub or restaurant where he may have met with other cyclists on that date - not a royal audience!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 October, 2015, 08:20:59 am
<pendant>
Charlie didn't become Prince of Wales until 1958.
</pendant>
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 22 October, 2015, 08:39:24 am
d'oh!  I don't remember that, you see, having only been -23 at the time.  :)
Duly noted for pub-quiz usageage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mothy on 22 October, 2015, 11:33:04 pm
Is 1958 correct? I think I remember his investiture(?) in the late 1960's, unless I dreamt it. I was only born in '58.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 October, 2015, 11:35:58 pm
He was referred to by some as the Prince of Wales before the investiture. Can't say I know, or care, about when he adopted that title. I know my brother was at Cardiff University around that time and he and many of his fellow students didn't have a good word to say about him.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 23 October, 2015, 12:37:17 am
May 1958. Invested in 1969 I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 23 October, 2015, 07:37:24 am
Wiki says:-

"Prince Charles was created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester by Letters Patent on 26 July 1958, though his actual investiture did not take place until 1 July 1969."

I recall the milk bottles tops had a special motif - strange the things you remember!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mothy on 23 October, 2015, 07:39:03 am
Jaded and Shreds:
Thanks for the history lesson, I guess I was remembering the 1969 ceremonial bit!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 23 October, 2015, 07:51:42 am
(http://staff.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/diverted.png)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 25 October, 2015, 06:13:41 pm
Kurt seems to be disliking the wind and rain, good thing he isn't riding in good old Blighty!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 25 October, 2015, 10:15:53 pm
Today's been pretty wind and rain free. Pretty parky though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 October, 2015, 10:44:22 pm
It wouldn't come as any great surprise if the tail-end of Patricia made Tarzan's neck of the woods jungle a bit soggy for a day or two.  I got caught in the aftermath of Hurricane Odile in New Mexico/Texas last year and it was a very damp couple of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 26 October, 2015, 08:10:08 am
Another relatively poor day for Kurt, who's complaining about the wind, rain & cold.  I checked his local forecast and it's not really that bad - 12-18c, 15mph winds gusting to 25 (which he often drives into to turn into a tailwind anyway) and intermittent rain for a couple of days.  Compared with a UK winter that's positively balmy.

I think this is more to do with the accumulated mental and physical strain of the challenge and it could drag him below the required rate quite quickly.  I think he needs to get to Florida soon to try and break up the current mindset.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 26 October, 2015, 08:25:52 am
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Compared with a UK winter that's positively balmy.

its called acclimatisation

i can holiday in Florida in December and go to the beach, whereas locals will have jumpers/coast on, similarly i can go to Alaska, and be freezing, yet locals will be in shorts and t-shirt

if your used to poor weather etc then its easier to stay motivated when the weather is poor, if your used to good weather and you get a run of bad weather, its easy to complain

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 26 October, 2015, 12:02:06 pm
Another relatively poor day for Kurt, who's complaining about the wind, rain & cold.  I checked his local forecast and it's not really that bad - 12-18c, 15mph winds gusting to 25 (which he often drives into to turn into a tailwind anyway) and intermittent rain for a couple of days.  Compared with a UK winter that's positively balmy.
Indeed. When they asked on facebook for tips on riding in the cold-n-wet, I had to bite my tongue: I wanted to post
"try riding jan-march in the UK - that'll teach you a few things!", but I do honestly wish them luck. No matter how many smilies I included, there's still a chance it would come across badly!

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I think this is more to do with the accumulated mental and physical strain of the challenge and it could drag him below the required rate quite quickly.  I think he needs to get to Florida soon to try and break up the current mindset.
Probably true. Hopefully this is just a brief mental trough, following the .. er ... "honeymoon" period! He can afford a week of short days if it gets him back into a good mindset. Or maybe one afternoon/evening off so they can go have some fun somewhere.

Whatever; I think he's got enough mental grit to see it through now he's this close  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 26 October, 2015, 12:38:36 pm
Yes, that's my view.  If he can hold it together then he'll just break the record come Jan 8th.

That leaves the way open for Steve to overtake him next year in a tortoise/hare scenario that could get very exciting!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Byronius Maximus on 26 October, 2015, 12:54:51 pm
I checked his local forecast and it's not really that bad - 12-18c, 15mph winds gusting to 25 (which he often drives into to turn into a tailwind anyway)

Temperature is okay, but a 15 mph wind is pretty hard work on the bike!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 26 October, 2015, 01:31:10 pm
I hope he does it. It would be such a shame (especially for him) if he faltered now he's so "close" to the end.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 26 October, 2015, 02:25:17 pm
FSVO close.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 26 October, 2015, 04:23:10 pm
He's still got 74 or so days left.  He hasn't heard the bell for the final lap yet. 

Plenty of scope for him to add several hundred miles to the threshold, and have his name heralded down the decades, or to see his attempt slip away into the cruel footnotes of history.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 26 October, 2015, 04:53:10 pm
True. And what's scary is that he is still likely to be in that position of not knowing which of two futures he has come January 1st, when the final week's riding will determine the outcome.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rabbit on 26 October, 2015, 06:10:41 pm

I think this is more to do with the accumulated mental and physical strain of the challenge and it could drag him below the required rate quite quickly.  I think he needs to get to Florida soon to try and break up the current mindset.

I think you are right.

I read the posts on FB and just wanted to say - FFS you've gone through SO much this year with illness, accidents, mechanicals etc and you can't cope with getting some wet weather gear and getting on with it when it rains?  BUT then I realised, it may just be that he is getting close to the edge and in fact, is struggling with the overall accumulation so didn't want to sound cruel!

Hope he shakes it off, and he gets back down to business and deals with it.

Show's how incredibly tenacious TG is though, even with acclimatisation, the UK weather is tough and unpredictable compared to what Kurt is struggling to deal with at the moment.  Whatever the American record attempt ends up as, I must admit, I will always feel that it isn't comparable to doing it in the UK with our ridiculous roads, junctions, traffic, variable climate and drunk-moped-riders. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 26 October, 2015, 06:28:03 pm
I checked his local forecast and it's not really that bad - 12-18c, 15mph winds gusting to 25 (which he often drives into to turn into a tailwind anyway)

Temperature is okay, but a 15 mph wind is pretty hard work on the bike!

True but he had 200 km of 15 mph tailwind yesterday and then was driven back to Little Rock so that makes it much easier.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 26 October, 2015, 06:33:14 pm
His performance went down when he got to Little Rock for the first time back in the spring.  There may be just too many distractions there - family, work, household chores, etc. - for him to concentrate fully on the challenge.

The stats are showing another slow day today (although there is time to reverse things).  My advice to him would be to hot-tail it down south ASAP before things take a downward spiral that he can't recover from.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 26 October, 2015, 06:34:04 pm
True. And what's scary is that he is still likely to be in that position of not knowing which of two futures he has come January 1st, when the final week's riding will determine the outcome.

Wow - This is pretty striking.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 26 October, 2015, 06:35:49 pm
Substitute "drunk moped riders" for drunk Good Ol' Boys with rifle racks in the rear window of their pickup.   :o


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 26 October, 2015, 07:10:57 pm
Obviously married life...... ::-)  O:-)

Seriously, I think that there are too many soothsayers, and whilst Kurt and Steve are two very different styles of riders, remember that Kurt likes a challenge. Far too early to put any writing on the wall at this stage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 October, 2015, 06:52:59 am
Congratulations Kurt


60,000 miles in a year !!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 27 October, 2015, 08:17:37 am
isn't comparable to doing it in the UK with our ridiculous roads, junctions, traffic, variable climate and drunk-moped-riders.
while in many ways I agree with you, Kurt has been run off the road or clipped on multiple occasions. He's definitely faced challenges on the roads.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 27 October, 2015, 09:28:32 am
Congratulations Kurt


60,000 miles in a year !!!!

Takes me three years to do that in the car....just puts it into perspective. Yes Congrats!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 27 October, 2015, 02:59:18 pm
Another really slow start to the day for Kurt and a Facebook plea from Alicia for people to ride with him - says he is "zapped".  This seems to be getting quite desperate now.  Mentions of plans to head south at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 October, 2015, 03:26:12 pm
Another really slow start to the day for Kurt and a Facebook plea from Alicia for people to ride with him - says he is "zapped".  This seems to be getting quite desperate now.  Mentions of plans to head south at the weekend?

I find it hard when it rains on the second day of a 600, after a wet first day.  I can't imagine how soul destroying it would be after several days of wind and rain.  The closest is probably PBP2007 which decimated the field (although most of them gave up on the first wet day).  I'm guessing that he's also starting to get short of daylight now as well, even further south there is now less than 11 hours of daylight - which gets to the point where some night riding is inevitable even at Kurt's speeds.

But I suspect it would be even more soul destroying to see the record start to slip away from him now, given that he is 80% of the way there.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 27 October, 2015, 05:40:08 pm
Looking at the forecast I suspect Steve also has a few very wet days lined up ahead of him :(
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 30 October, 2015, 10:28:10 pm
A strange Facebook post from Alicia today: "Ah, if we need a good laugh I read Kurt comments from the YACF forum or Strava!"

Now I don't read Strava so I'm not sure if/how it's moderated, but I don't remember any anti-Kurt posting here, certainly recently.  On the contrary I think everyone's been generally incredibly supportive.

Alicia's post prompted someone called Stuart Lee to chirp in with: "YACF.. full of autistic keyboard warriors with stammers, facial twitches and socialist leanings, most of who have never ridden 100km and certainly not in the rain..."   

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 30 October, 2015, 10:31:37 pm


Alicia's post prompted someone called Stuart Lee * to chirp in with: "YACF.. full of autistic keyboard warriors with stammers, facial twitches and socialist leanings, most of who have never ridden 100km and certainly not in the rain..."

80% correct in my case  ;)

if you are reading;

GO KURT!!!


* Tuggo IIRC
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 30 October, 2015, 10:38:11 pm
Stuart used to be of this parish and a high mileage AUK.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 30 October, 2015, 11:00:33 pm
Alicia's post prompted someone called Stuart Lee to chirp in with: "YACF.. full of autistic keyboard warriors with stammers, facial twitches and socialist leanings, most of who have never ridden 100km and certainly not in the rain..."

He forgot to mention that we're also the type of people who like to point out when to use 'whom' rather than 'who'.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Feline on 30 October, 2015, 11:27:20 pm
 ;D ;D ;D He doesn't mince his words, Stu'e!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 30 October, 2015, 11:38:03 pm
I read Alicia's comments on facebook and I think she was being direct. Compared to stuff posted elsewhere, we are pretty supportive of Kurt.

Stuart Lee sounds like a right w*nker.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 30 October, 2015, 11:46:33 pm
Assuming it's trike riding Stue, he's great to ride with and good company, if a bit abrasive for some people's tastes. And he's no slouch when it comes to riding. Did several PBP qualifiers with him and bits of PBP in years past.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 31 October, 2015, 08:21:27 am
Assuming it's trike riding Stue, he's great to ride with and good company, if a bit abrasive for some people's tastes. And he's no slouch when it comes to riding. Did several PBP qualifiers with him and bits of PBP in years past.
A fair summary!  (and he did some "proper" racing as a youngster. Probably on 2 wheels,  but I could be wrong.)

It seems to be his abrasive side that bubbles up online mostly - highly unusual behaviour in AUK,  of course ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 31 October, 2015, 11:40:02 pm
A strange Facebook post from Alicia today: "Ah, if we need a good laugh I read Kurt comments from the YACF forum or Strava!"

Now I don't read Strava so I'm not sure if/how it's moderated, but I don't remember any anti-Kurt posting here, certainly recently.  On the contrary I think everyone's been generally incredibly supportive.

Alicia's post prompted someone called Stuart Lee to chirp in with: "YACF.. full of autistic keyboard warriors with stammers, facial twitches and socialist leanings, most of who have never ridden 100km and certainly not in the rain..."

? Just look at the start of this thread and the thread started by the ex treasurer of Steve's record attempt fund. It has to be said, a select, partisan to steve bunch of wankers knocking Searvogels startegy of obtaining the record. When essentially all he was doing was going about this record attempt the ''easy'' way. Where as Steve learned the hard way...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 01 November, 2015, 12:38:36 am
A strange Facebook post from Alicia today: "Ah, if we need a good laugh I read Kurt comments from the YACF forum or Strava!"

Now I don't read Strava so I'm not sure if/how it's moderated, but I don't remember any anti-Kurt posting here, certainly recently.  On the contrary I think everyone's been generally incredibly supportive.

Alicia's post prompted someone called Stuart Lee to chirp in with: "YACF.. full of autistic keyboard warriors with stammers, facial twitches and socialist leanings, most of who have never ridden 100km and certainly not in the rain..."

? Just look at the start of this thread and the thread started by the ex treasurer of Steve's record attempt fund. It has to be said, a select, partisan to steve bunch of wankers knocking Searvogels startegy of obtaining the record. When essentially all he was doing was going about this record attempt the ''easy'' way. Where as Steve learned the hard way...

Nice bit of selective emboldening.  Why didn't you include the rest of the sentence , "... certainly recently".  I don't remember reading any negative posts about Kurt or his tactics for months.  Even those that questioned his approach in the early days seem to have been won over by his determination.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 01 November, 2015, 12:42:21 am
I don't remember reading any negative posts about Kurt or his tactics for months.  Even those that questioned his approach in the early days seem to have been won over by his determination.
Include me in that list. I've said as much to Alicia and Kurt (via Facebook) and had positive responses from them.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 01 November, 2015, 09:33:16 am
Ease up and stop taking yourselves so seriously.

Alicia only said they have a laugh at some of the Strava and YACF comments and I can see plenty to laugh at in these comments.

After all this riding, it is kudos to both Steve and Kurt for getting this far, with respect to their teams. If having a laugh keeps Kurt and Alicia sane, then that is good, life is too short not to laugh.

Keep up the entertainment value for both and subsequent riders.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 November, 2015, 12:58:11 pm
Kurt's had an early start this morning: he's on the road before 7am Little Rock time. Does he want to get this thing over with?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 02 November, 2015, 03:04:27 pm
Quite probably after so many miles in the saddle. And he is a very trusting guy leaving his ex in charge of his jointly owned business for a year. Not something I could or would do!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 02 November, 2015, 03:50:09 pm
60,000 miles!! wow my mind is boggled, I'm about to pass 10,000 myself and was quite pleased, that is in another league completely.


Feeling rather inadequate now  :-\ :P ;D :thumbsup:


Well Done Kurt keep going  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 November, 2015, 01:12:57 am
The longer this goes on, the more you realise the extent to which these guys are in a league of their own. There must be an infinitesimally small number of people on the planet who have what it takes to put in a realistic attempt at Godwin's record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 03 November, 2015, 12:29:07 pm
There must be an infinitesimally small number of people on the planet who have what it takes to put in a realistic attempt at Godwin's record.

yeah. 2.

GO KURT! GO STEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 November, 2015, 01:36:42 pm
I think Bruce Berkeley will give it a good shot. He was very impressive in January when he set some sort of record for a month's cycling.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on 03 November, 2015, 03:26:48 pm
Bruce was impressive in January, though he still missed his 10,000km target for the month. He'll now need to reach that target for 12 months in a row.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 03 November, 2015, 11:22:35 pm
Kurt's finally headed back to FLA where it all began; looking at his Trackleaders page the lines across state don't look as much of a spider's web as other states; I wonder how many miles he racked up there earlier this year; and how many of those routes he will revisit this time

exciting times ahead after the often dark times of recent weeks and also the endgame to play for  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 November, 2015, 04:32:24 pm
So he has passed Rene Menzies and has a mere 1000 miles to pass Ossie Nicholson and rise on the podium of all-time annual mileage records, with just the 1939 duo of Bob Bennett and Tommy Godwin to go. 

Outstanding!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 04 November, 2015, 05:51:37 pm
It's been mentioned elsewhere. But NO American has ever ridden this far in a single calendar year. I can find references to 42k years but nothing beyond. Kurt really does deserve a massive pat on the back for that alone.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 04 November, 2015, 05:58:28 pm
... does deserve a massive pat on the back for that alone.

Not just for too long as that would be helping - UCI don't like sticky bottles either :)

But yes well done that man
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 04 November, 2015, 06:08:56 pm
Kurt's finally headed back to FLA where it all began

It must be a massive psychological boast to be heading back to where it all began - dryer climate, warmer air and light at the end of the tunnel. He could easily really rack up some big miles on the home run.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Oaky on 04 November, 2015, 06:11:06 pm
Just needs to watch out for those pesky alligators!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 04 November, 2015, 06:15:24 pm
I think making it to November will help his mood too.  The work is no longer stretching interminably into the far distance.  I hope he's not too keen on Christmas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 November, 2015, 06:39:45 am
Although it feels a bit disloyal to say this, I'm more fascinated by Tarzan's progress than TG's at the moment.  Probably because he's starting to get close to it, but with 200mpd still to keep going, it's in the balance.  I really hope he does it.

Then I'll have 7 months of cheering on TG to try and beat Tarzan's record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 05 November, 2015, 10:10:12 am
I agree. I really want to see Kurt get this. And I do hope that, in doing so, he provides the spur to motivate Steve to go on to top Kurt. But, whatever the outcome, they are both amazing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 05 November, 2015, 10:44:08 am
If you are reading Alicia Chapeau on 200km too :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 November, 2015, 01:41:04 pm
Kurt started about an hour ago and so far seems to have done a 15 mile loop. He doesn't appear to be heading anywhere in particular, unlike the past couple of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 05 November, 2015, 02:52:45 pm
He mentioned on FB that he would based at the gulf coast for a couple of days. I think this is day two as he also spent most of yesterday looping around the coast.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 November, 2015, 12:48:33 am
Looping around on the Mississippi coast W of Gulfport (how did they think of that name?) where IIRC it is as flat as the sides of David Coulthard's head.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 06 November, 2015, 08:13:54 am
Oh to be in Florida this morning  ;D


Have a good day Mr Kurt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 November, 2015, 09:34:20 am
Looping around on the Mississippi coast W of Gulfport (how did they think of that name?) where IIRC it is as flat as the sides of David Coulthard's head.

Is it twinned with Oil City?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 November, 2015, 03:33:29 pm
Wikinaccurate's "Notable People" section in the Gulfport article features mainly sportsball types; not a single swivel-eyed maniac guitar player to be seen.  As USAnian place names go it's a bit bland compared with Bucksnort, Braggadoccio or Truth Or Consequences.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 06 November, 2015, 04:42:56 pm
According to the legendary Jim Croce, sweet Cordelia Brown was "a Mississippi lady / a lovin' Gulfport girl / she taught me how to love and / she really loved me well."

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 November, 2015, 09:05:25 am
If the HAM'R Leaderboard is not mistaken Kurt passed

100,000 kilometers for the year

yesterday

Round of applause please.  Only the 4th cyclist ever to do so.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 November, 2015, 09:07:50 am
 :thumbsup:  Yay!  Forza Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tonyh on 07 November, 2015, 09:18:00 am
Forza Kurt indeed!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 07 November, 2015, 10:04:24 am
Phenomenal. Chapeau and bloody well done!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 07 November, 2015, 11:48:04 am
About bloody time  :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 November, 2015, 12:53:13 pm
Very impressive!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 07 November, 2015, 01:06:21 pm
Very well done Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 07 November, 2015, 01:28:36 pm
I'd like to see that odometer reading click over
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 November, 2015, 03:03:36 pm
I'd like to see that odometer reading click over

Does a Garmin have enough digits??
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 08 November, 2015, 11:47:56 pm
It's been mentioned elsewhere. But NO American has ever ridden this far in a single calendar year. I can find references to 42k years but nothing beyond. Kurt really does deserve a massive pat on the back for that alone.

60,000 miles in a year (even assuming he puts his feet up for the rest of the year) is just incredible. I was always pleased when I broke through 3,000 miles in a year. Kurt (and Steve) are knocking out more than that in a month, every month.

No matter who "wins" this I don't see any way any of the contenders can be regarding as having lost.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 09 November, 2015, 11:34:09 am
I agree. I really want to see Kurt get this. And I do hope that, in doing so, he provides the spur to motivate Steve to go on to top Kurt. But, whatever the outcome, they are both amazing.

Absolutely this, in every respect.

Just to say, though: Even if Steve does more miles than Kurt, Tarzan will still hold the record, because of the age categories.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 09 November, 2015, 11:51:30 am
I agree. I really want to see Kurt get this. And I do hope that, in doing so, he provides the spur to motivate Steve to go on to top Kurt. But, whatever the outcome, they are both amazing.

Absolutely this, in every respect.

Just to say, though: Even if Steve does more miles than Kurt, Tarzan will still hold the record, because of the age categories.

Yerbut, can you name the guy who came second to Tommy Godwin?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 November, 2015, 11:57:04 am
An age-group record, not the outright record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 09 November, 2015, 12:20:33 pm
i dare say no one cares about the age group record, its not what its really about,
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 09 November, 2015, 12:32:53 pm
I'd be happy with an age category record, if it's going begging  ;D

I suspect participants who set out to get the overall record would be disappointed not to get it, but would find a little bit of consolation that they hold the top spot in their age group.  This might be more so for Kurt, as he as a background (and so an affiliation with) HAM'R that neither Steve nor Kurt have?  But I'd be surprised if he's banging out all'dem miles with a motivation to only beat other 50 year olds.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 09 November, 2015, 12:49:08 pm
This might be a good point to mention that Kurt passed Ossie Nicholson's '37 record yesterday, so has earned himself a WR podium position, regardless of age (and let's not forget that the current record hold was little more than half his age).

Congratulations Kurt and Alicia!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 09 November, 2015, 12:57:58 pm
This might be a good point to mention that Kurt passed Ossie Nicholson's '37 record yesterday, so has earned himself a WR podium position, regardless of age (and let's not forget that the current record hold was little more than half his age).

Congratulations Kurt and Alicia!
Don't know what to say other than, bloody lazy lay abouts, only third place after nearly a year on the saddle, a wedding and a "paper cut" or two - tck tck - shakes head in amazement :) Well don't you two \o/
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 09 November, 2015, 01:02:25 pm
There's a long way to go yet - for Steve in particular - but it looks to me like both of them will beat Tommy, but by a fairly tiny margin. The three of them would be head and shoulders above anyone else, which has a kind of satisfying feel about it. It matters not whether Kurt gets a few more miles than Steve or vice versa; if it's close, it'll be essentially down to luck who 'wins'. If Steve finds a seam of amazing form and manages to hit his original target, then that's a different matter and he'll be celebrated for upping the bar by a significant amount. At this stage, I don't really care about that; it's just good to see both of them getting the miles in and doing what needs to be done. Chapeaux all round!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 10 November, 2015, 07:50:24 pm
No matter who "wins" this I don't see any way any of the contenders can be regarding as having lost.

Yes, it would be a travesty if history remembered one and not the other.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pancho on 10 November, 2015, 07:53:48 pm
I'd like to see that odometer reading click over

Does a Garmin have enough digits??

Bit gutting if it just rolled over to 00000!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 10 November, 2015, 08:54:00 pm
This might be a good point to mention that Kurt passed Ossie Nicholson's '37 record yesterday, so has earned himself a WR podium position, regardless of age (and let's not forget that the current record hold was little more than half his age).

Congratulations Kurt and Alicia!

<pendant mode>
He got the podium after passing Menzies much forgotten ride of 62785 in 1952 AT THE AGE OF 63
</pedant mode>
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 10 November, 2015, 09:34:10 pm
Quote
Bit gutting if it just rolled over to 00000!

yer but you can sell it as new then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 10 November, 2015, 11:12:12 pm
Riding round the clock.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 10 November, 2015, 11:16:32 pm
This might be a good point to mention that Kurt passed Ossie Nicholson's '37 record yesterday, so has earned himself a WR podium position, regardless of age (and let's not forget that the current record hold was little more than half his age).

Congratulations Kurt and Alicia!
Don't know what to say other than, bloody lazy lay abouts, only third place after nearly a year on the saddle, a wedding and a "paper cut" or two - tck tck - shakes head in amazement :) Well don't you two \o/

Only a year? Lightweight (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-34780288).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 10 November, 2015, 11:19:01 pm
No matter who "wins" this I don't see any way any of the contenders can be regarding as having lost.

Yes, it would be a travesty if history remembered one and not the other.

IIRC,   the UCMCAMYMCA will record the distances of Steve AND Kurt even if they are below the Godwin figure.

(Cos they will set new age-category UMCA records i.e. Godwin did not ride under the UMCA umbrella.)

So there will always be some kind of "history" there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ashaman42 on 10 November, 2015, 11:26:59 pm
Plus I think it was said that there are only age cat records and no official overall record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sea of vapours on 11 November, 2015, 12:01:41 pm
Kurt's imperial Eddington number for this year is now above one Godwin: 206. At least it is, based on the HAM'R Official Results spreadsheet and subject to my not having calculated it wrongly and the data being correct. Not that this means anything in the context of the record attempt of course, but it's moderately interesting, and impressive.

(Any chance you could add a current Eddington number to the charts, Jo?)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 11 November, 2015, 12:28:18 pm
That is seriously impressive.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 November, 2015, 03:53:55 pm
I see Kurt has finally reached Florida again - riding in the neighbourhood of Pensacola.  We should ask him to take a few bridge photos for Crinkles ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 11 November, 2015, 08:41:09 pm
Kurt's imperial Eddington number for this year is now above one Godwin: 206.

Yes indeed, very good going. Of course, anyone getting close to Tommy's record is likely to have an Eddington number over 200. I have mused a few times this year what Steve's E might be, but I don't know if he has kept a record of all his rides over the years.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 11 November, 2015, 09:05:33 pm
I see Kurt has finally reached Florida again...

I believe it's nice and warm there at this time of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 November, 2015, 12:10:53 am
Fortunately Hurricane Kate is heading in the opposite direction...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Andrij on 12 November, 2015, 08:31:50 am
I see Kurt has finally reached Florida again ...

For your entertainment, 25 fun facts about Florida (http://www.mentalfloss.com/article/70934/25-sun-soaked-facts-about-florida).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 12 November, 2015, 09:18:32 am
As nice as Northants is, I think I know where I'd rather be at the moment. Yesterday, Kurt spent most of yesterday back and forth here...

(https://images.trvl-media.com/media/content/shared/images/travelguides/destination/6677/Pensacola-Beach-33745.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pingu on 12 November, 2015, 08:27:45 pm
 :sick:

He deserves a medal HAMR  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 November, 2015, 09:48:22 pm
:sick:


I thought it was called a spit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 November, 2015, 11:29:48 am
Now that the missing day has been found Kurt only requires 197 miles per day to eclipse Tommy.  At 207 mpd his year to date average - he would break the record with 2.5 days to spare - so it is still too close to call.

Go Kurt!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: paul851 on 16 November, 2015, 04:43:06 pm
I imagine both Kurt and Alicia are on tenterhooks these days as with no real time in hand so to speak an incident that kept Kurt of the bike could be catastrophic for the record , I for one have all my fingers a toes crossed that Kurt keep's on keeping on and breaks the record .

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 16 November, 2015, 07:17:47 pm
I imagine both Kurt and Alicia are on tenterhooks these days as with no real time in hand so to speak an incident that kept Kurt of the bike could be catastrophic for the record , I for one have all my fingers a toes crossed that Kurt keep's on keeping on and breaks the record .

Paul

I wonder why the record has stood for so long.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 16 November, 2015, 08:03:36 pm
I would suggest you read Citizenfish's (of this parish) recent book "The Year" about the record if you are not familiar, it's a great read.

http://www.v-publishing.co.uk/books/categories/cycling/the-year.html
ISBN 9781910 240434

It makes you realise just how determined and passionate the individuals have to be to even attempt this, never mind about the financial and social hardships it entails. It's also at least a year plus of your life effectively in isolation from many of the other things we take for granted, together with the ever present dangers from other road users and the elements. Getting knocked off seems to be an occupational hazard.

Apologies if you are familiar with all this already but the book certainly gave me a better understanding of the reasons why the record has stood for so long.

It might also find more favour when cycling is in "fashion" as it was in the 1930s
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 16 November, 2015, 09:08:07 pm
I think we're about to have a Gibbon

From Kurt??!  :o

Damn, top work!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 16 November, 2015, 09:10:39 pm
 ;D ;D
I think we're about to have a Gibbon

From Kurt??!  :o

Damn, top work!!

 ;D Doh  :facepalm:  See other HAMR thread - the right one.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 18 November, 2015, 08:52:06 am
;D ;D
I think we're about to have a Gibbon

From Kurt??!  :o

Damn, top work!!

 ;D Doh  :facepalm:  See other HAMR thread - the right one.

The option was open for Kurt to do a Gibbon.  https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gibbon,+MN+55335,+USA/@44.5346977,-95.0825997,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x87f50e7a7d7d26ab:0x34de9f0e8ab57586 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gibbon,+MN+55335,+USA/@44.5346977,-95.0825997,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x87f50e7a7d7d26ab:0x34de9f0e8ab57586)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 18 November, 2015, 09:10:54 am
I notice that bell end, Adam Day is active again. I left a comment on Kurts strava recently on one of his really big days, and got the usual load of emails saying other commenters have added. He seems to be trolling Kurt now.  God knows what he gets out of it.

Anyway, ride on Kurt. I think only injury could stop you now, so stay safe !  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 18 November, 2015, 09:18:30 am
i guess thats where the comment on Facebook came from?

Quote
We have been notified by a number of individuals that some Brits fear that Tommy's record is about to be broken so they want to change history by changing the rules and picking what dates he counted toward his record. Sorry but that don't fly. Tommy started his attempt on January 1st - that's when he annouced - he finished on December 31st. I started my attempt on January 10th and will finish on January 9th and do hope to break his record of 75065 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 18 November, 2015, 09:38:13 am
Dirty little troll idiot.

I am amazed they haven't blocked him. 

I am sure they don't think that his views represent even a small minority of UK views.  He may well be the kind of amusement they like?!?

Anyway - keep on pedalling and get this job done!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 18 November, 2015, 09:50:02 am
There is always one!  >:(

He's more than welcome to show us all how it should be done!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 18 November, 2015, 10:23:47 am
Ask the troll to do a double Gibbon

https://goo.gl/maps/5f9QcznKcrP2

repeat weekly until realise this is 500+ miles short of what is required

then stir, vigorously.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 November, 2015, 03:46:16 pm
It's entirely possible that Kurt will break Tommy's record before the wossname in Times Square does its party piece which will leave the trolls looking even sillier than they do already.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 18 November, 2015, 03:53:44 pm
i guess thats where the comment on Facebook came from?

Quote
We have been notified by a number of individuals that some Brits fear that Tommy's record is about to be broken so they want to change history by changing the rules and picking what dates he counted toward his record. Sorry but that don't fly. Tommy started his attempt on January 1st - that's when he annouced - he finished on December 31st. I started my attempt on January 10th and will finish on January 9th and do hope to break his record of 75065 miles.

I can't see anything on FB or Strava that suggests Adam Day is responsible for that particular gripe. Paranoia is getting the better of me though and I do hope it is not "The Year" book that is causing team Searvogel to think 'the Brits want to change the rules'. My version of the OYTT chart in that book includes all the historical record holders as well as Steve and Kurt with an assumed start of 1st Jan (many of the historical attempts actually started later than the 1st and so "lost" distance). There was good reason to do this when considering the historical context, but do hope it isn't being inferred that I think Kurt's HAMR attempt should be adjusted for a Jan 1st start.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 18 November, 2015, 04:02:03 pm
i guess thats where the comment on Facebook came from?

Quote
We have been notified by a number of individuals that some Brits fear that Tommy's record is about to be broken so they want to change history by changing the rules and picking what dates he counted toward his record. Sorry but that don't fly. Tommy started his attempt on January 1st - that's when he annouced - he finished on December 31st. I started my attempt on January 10th and will finish on January 9th and do hope to break his record of 75065 miles.

I can't see anything on FB or Strava that suggests Adam Day is responsible for that particular gripe. Paranoia is getting the better of me though and I do hope it is not "The Year" book that is causing team Searvogel to think 'the Brits want to change the rules'. My version of the OYTT chart in that book includes all the historical record holders as well as Steve and Kurt with an assumed start of 1st Jan (many of the historical attempts actually started later than the 1st and so "lost" distance). There was good reason to do this when considering the historical context, but do hope it isn't being inferred that I think Kurt's HAMR attempt should be adjusted for a Jan 1st start.

I honestly don't think they are analysing things that closely Jo - probably far too pre-occupied and knackered to do that!  More likely that they have just decided that Brits are generally sceptics (based on some comments in the early part of the year) and to be seen loosely as "the competition". That probably works well from a motivational point of view.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 18 November, 2015, 04:11:46 pm
i guess thats where the comment on Facebook came from?

Quote
We have been notified by a number of individuals that some Brits fear that Tommy's record is about to be broken so they want to change history by changing the rules and picking what dates he counted toward his record. Sorry but that don't fly. Tommy started his attempt on January 1st - that's when he annouced - he finished on December 31st. I started my attempt on January 10th and will finish on January 9th and do hope to break his record of 75065 miles.

I can't see anything on FB or Strava that suggests Adam Day is responsible for that particular gripe. Paranoia is getting the better of me though and I do hope it is not "The Year" book that is causing team Searvogel to think 'the Brits want to change the rules'. My version of the OYTT chart in that book includes all the historical record holders as well as Steve and Kurt with an assumed start of 1st Jan (many of the historical attempts actually started later than the 1st and so "lost" distance). There was good reason to do this when considering the historical context, but do hope it isn't being inferred that I think Kurt's HAMR attempt should be adjusted for a Jan 1st start.

It won't be your chart Jo, it will be my writing. I state quite clearly in the book that the record Godwin went for and got was (and always was) a calendar year.  I told UMCA this as well. I sent Kurt a copy of the book out of courtesy. We brits can't change the rules (as defined by Cycling) they were always there and always unequivocal, it was a calendar year. Greaves and Humbles  were both penalised for late starts.

ps. please tell me you got your copy
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 18 November, 2015, 04:37:44 pm
Tommy's record will almost certainly be broken by Kurt, and well done to him and Alicia in doing so.  :thumbsup:

All the current riders as far as I am aware are riding to UCMA rules which are different to those set back in the 1930s and things evolve. Godwin would have no doubt been delighted to have had Strava and other modern gadgets and tweaks to help him on his way.

I am looking forward to January when Kurt can at last take a break, unless he decides 100,000 would be a good place to finish?

We all wish you well from 'A small island' Mr & Mrs Searvogel.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 18 November, 2015, 04:58:53 pm
Tommy's record will almost certainly be broken by Kurt, and well done to him and Alicia in doing so.  :thumbsup:
Couldn't agree more.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 18 November, 2015, 05:35:04 pm
I state quite clearly in the book that the record Godwin went for and got was (and always was) a calendar year. 

Of course I preface this with all the due awe one owes these competitors.

But ...

If you look at the world of sport, there are many grand slams that by tradition take place in a calendar year.  When Serena won her "Selena Slam" it was titled this precisely because  it did not take place in a single year.  Kurt - IMO - will deserve the WR, but it does not have the same aesthetic ring to it as if it had taken place in a Western tradition year.  It was a shame he did not start on the same day as Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 18 November, 2015, 05:36:48 pm
Question to Jo:  As TG kept on riding, is there any other 12 month period that exceeds the mileage from 01/Jan - 31/Dec?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 18 November, 2015, 06:35:32 pm
Yes. But I don't know which as I don't have a record of Tommy's daily distances between days 366-500.

We know that he hit 100,000 by day 500 (14th May taking the leap year into account) which means he covered 100,000-75065=24,935 miles (actually he did a few more just to be sure of the record) in the last 135 days of riding (184.7 mpd). In his first 135 days of riding from Jan 1st-15th May 1939 he had ridden 23,400 miles (173.3 mpd). This means in his last 12 months of riding he covered at least 76,600 miles. If anyone (CitizenFish?) has his 1940 daily mileages we could find out if there is a higher 12 month total than his last 365. His highest 12 month average could be as early as 15th Jan as from then on, his rolling average over 135 days was greater than his last 135 days' average.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 November, 2015, 07:20:22 pm
I state quite clearly in the book that the record Godwin went for and got was (and always was) a calendar year. 

Of course I preface this with all the due awe one owes these competitors.

But ...

If you look at the world of sport, there are many grand slams that by tradition take place in a calendar year.  When Serena won her "Selena Slam" it was titled this precisely because  it did not take place in a single year.  Kurt - IMO - will deserve the WR, but it does not have the same aesthetic ring to it as if it had taken place in a Western tradition year.  It was a shame he did not start on the same day as Steve.

But ...

What if Kurt surpasses Tommy's total before close of play on December 31st?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2015, 07:28:47 pm
In roundish figures, I understand that Kurt currently had four days in hand. In order to beat TG's record by the end of 2015 he would need to pick up a minimum of 6 extra days in in 6 weeks. That might see him squeak over the line. To be completely sure of this he would then need a buffer of, say, another couple of days. That's another 1400 miles, I think, putting the daily requirement to well above 230 miles a day. I can't see him doing this - but all that arithmetic has been done in my head so I'm quite happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 18 November, 2015, 07:31:26 pm
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What if Kurt surpasses Tommy's total before close of play on December 31st?

needs 242.2mpd for the rest of the calendar year
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 November, 2015, 07:34:43 pm
Thanks. Unlikely in the extreme, I'd say.

I hadn't given any thought to Tommy's best consecutive 365 days. If, as seems highly likely, they did exceed the 1939 75065 miles, then frankly both Kurt and Steve need to readjust their thinking. The UMCA's rules clearly don't compare like with like.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 18 November, 2015, 07:53:49 pm
I don't think they should feel the need to beat Tommy's best 365 days in that the UMCA challenge never has been best 365 out of longer period. Riders have to state their year start/end in advance of beginning just like the original challengers. This is undoubtedly harder than picking the best after the fact.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LeoW on 18 November, 2015, 08:14:35 pm
Didn't Tommy ride 77,000 miles May to May ?
Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 18 November, 2015, 10:27:04 pm
Semantics IMO; there is no "Tommy Godwin record" to break, the HAMR is what the remaining 2 participants are attempting which is a straight 365 day period starting any day

and best of luck to them both  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 November, 2015, 07:04:45 am
It is the TG record that was Steve's inspitation for kicking this whole challenge off in the first place so I don't think hecwould agree with you.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 19 November, 2015, 08:07:06 am
Semantics IMO; there is no "Tommy Godwin record" to break, the HAMR is what the remaining 2 participants are attempting which is a straight 365 day period starting any day

and best of luck to them both  :thumbsup:

Absolutely. In fact I see this whole challenge as more of a setting of individual benchmarks, pushing the realms of what is possible ever further, rather than beating a fixed record. The UMCA have given us a modern framework for this and I for one applaud them and Steve/Kurt/Miles for bringing it back to life. Remember that Tommy never beat the "one armed" record of Walter Greaves...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 19 November, 2015, 09:41:28 am
Yes. But I don't know which as I don't have a record of Tommy's daily distances between days 366-500.

How intriguing.  That certainly puts the cat amongst the pigeons. 

If Kurt slivers across the line for the recognised HAMR, then discovers that TG rode further (using the same non calender year reasoning as Kurt) then we have a problem Houston. 

Given the nervy nature of the response from Alicia to "the Brits are complaining" post, I am not sure whether this information would be received as a service or as a troll by camp Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 19 November, 2015, 09:54:10 am
I don't think it is a big issue at all. Kurt has entered the UMCA HAM'R. When he completes he will hold the official record. If that is above 75,065 miles he will also legitimately hold the highest ever recorded world record attempt for a year of cycling (all of which require the period of the record to be stated before commencing). That there might have been other ways in which one could accumulate miles doesn't in any way diminish his official and moral right to hold the record.It is possible that Kurt might use Tommy's progress both in 1939 and 1940 to spur him on, but that is different issue.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 19 November, 2015, 10:11:10 am
You wouldn't take your 10 mile time trial PB as the best 10 miles of a particularly fast 25.  Usain Bolt's 100m record isn't the second 100m (or any other 100m snippet) of his 200m record.  Declaring beforehand is the important issue here, not the 'single calendar year' aspect.

Kurt's progress in recent days has been very impressive.  Forza Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 19 November, 2015, 11:48:38 am
You wouldn't take your 10 mile time trial PB as the best 10 miles of a particularly fast 25.  Usain Bolt's 100m record isn't the second 100m (or any other 100m snippet) of his 200m record.  Declaring beforehand is the important issue here, not the 'single calendar year' aspect.

Kurt's progress in recent days has been very impressive.  Forza Kurt!

+1 - and hence the requirement for TG to nominate a fixed date in advance for his restart - so there is a level playing field with the past (and clear guidance on any future attempt)  Incidentally my fastest 50 miles was done somewhere on a 100 mile TT but my 50 mile TT best remains the one I did in a 50 mile TT.

I wonder if Kurt now feels that the end is in sight and that's spurring him on a little.

Allez Kurt and then from 11 January Allez Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 November, 2015, 12:06:49 pm
It's the declared 365 day period, not the best 365 rolling total.

A calendar year may have been nice (as was suggested very early on in these attempts), but as the HAM'R rules state any fixed 365 day period, then that is what they are doing. You still have to ride on every day in the calender, whichever order they are arranged in.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 19 November, 2015, 12:17:03 pm
Incidentally my fastest 50 miles was done somewhere on a 100 mile TT but my 50 mile TT best remains the one I did in a 50 mile TT.

My fastest 50 miles was done somewhere on a (sadly now annulled) 100 mile TT and my fastest 10 miles was done somewhere on a 50 mile TT. Thinking about it, my fastest 25 miles may have been done on that 100 too. 

Back on topic, arguments about records for stated years that start on January 1st rather than say Feb 9th or Jun 16th are IMO very petty indeed.  It reminds me of whichever hour record contender it was who spent his twilight years doing hour records at sea level, on a traditional bike, with one leg etc etc.  As Mcshroom says, both Kurt and Steve still have to ride on every day of the year, no matter which one they use as a start date. 

Equally petty though is the argument that they aren't breaking Tommy's record, just the HAMR.  Whatever the UMCA say, everyone knows that the furthest anyone has ridden in a year is 75,065 miles and that it was Tommy Godwin wot did it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 November, 2015, 12:35:13 pm
To add to the list, I think my fastest 200km of Audaxing was actually during a 400 :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 19 November, 2015, 12:51:35 pm
Incidentally my fastest 50 miles was done somewhere on a 100 mile TT but my 50 mile TT best remains the one I did in a 50 mile TT.

My fastest 50 miles was done somewhere on a (sadly now annulled) 100 mile TT and my fastest 10 miles was done somewhere on a 50 mile TT. Thinking about it, my fastest 25 miles may have been done on that 100 too. 

Back on topic, arguments about records for stated years that start on January 1st rather than say Feb 9th or Jun 16th are IMO very petty indeed.  It reminds me of whichever hour record contender it was who spent his twilight years doing hour records at sea level, on a traditional bike, with one leg etc etc.  As Mcshroom says, both Kurt and Steve still have to ride on every day of the year, no matter which one they use as a start date. 

Equally petty though is the argument that they aren't breaking Tommy's record, just the HAMR.  Whatever the UMCA say, everyone knows that the furthest anyone has ridden in a year is 75,065 miles and that it was Tommy Godwin wot did it.

I can see your point, however, it is the ability to restart that makes the comparison difficult. I suspect Godwin would have loved the ability to restart from April 1939 after 3 months of dire weather. But Cycling's rules precluded that. Therefore we either compare like with like or allow Godwin a virtual restart? It's these sorts of issues that make comparison over time difficult and so we should celebrate Steve and Kurt for their own pioneering stakes in the ground as modern record setters in the most scrutinised of year competitions ever. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 November, 2015, 01:11:06 pm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. TG had no reason to suppose that the second winter would be better than the first. Choosing start dates after you have ridden the distances is rather different to being able to choose to start again in advance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 19 November, 2015, 01:17:03 pm
TG had no reason to suppose that the second winter would be better than the first.

It wasn't it was just as bad!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 November, 2015, 01:24:59 pm
TG had no reason to suppose that the second winter would be better than the first.

It wasn't it was just as bad!

Mileage wise
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 19 November, 2015, 01:28:25 pm
To add to the list, I think my fastest 200km of Audaxing was actually during a 400 :)

It happens a lot. Our fastest 400 on the tandem was Day 1 of LEL2013 (although a hyoooge tailwind might have helped).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 19 November, 2015, 02:17:08 pm
Semantics IMO; there is no "Tommy Godwin record" to break, the HAMR is what the remaining 2 participants are attempting which is a straight 365 day period starting any day

and best of luck to them both  :thumbsup:

Absolutely. In fact I see this whole challenge as more of a setting of individual benchmarks, pushing the realms of what is possible ever further, rather than beating a fixed record. The UMCA have given us a modern framework for this and I for one applaud them and Steve/Kurt/Miles for bringing it back to life. Remember that Tommy never beat the "one armed" record of Walter Greaves...

Agreed. There wasn't an option for Steve or Kurt to take on the task according to the same rules as Tommy used, and indeed I believe his own record was never formally recognised by Guinness which would have given them that opportunity. So a new set of rules and oversight had to be formulated and the HAMR is what they ended up with. It's different, but similar enough for us to celebrate all three of them in the same context, and to each have our own take on what Steve or Kurt's efforts mean in comparison to Tommy's. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 19 November, 2015, 03:12:17 pm
Records aren't just recognised by Guinness, you know.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 November, 2015, 06:51:29 pm
To add to the list, I think my fastest 200km of Audaxing was actually during a 400 :)

It happens a lot. Our fastest 400 on the tandem was Day 1 of LEL2013 (although a hyoooge tailwind might have helped).

My fastest 200, 300 and 400 were all done on the 2007 South Then North.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 19 November, 2015, 10:41:04 pm
I managed what is possibly my fastest ever BRM 385k this year, during the Flatlands 600.  I'd optimistically booked a B&B at that distance and had to be there by 22.00.  I slept well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 20 November, 2015, 08:52:12 am
Ten days ago I noted the following:

His average over the last 28 days has been 198.7 mpd. If he were to continue that for the remains of the challenge, he will hit the Godwin line on the very last day of his year (9th Jan 2016). Maybe his average will go up as he hits the Florida home straight, but unless something [even more] remarkable happens, he will be hitting the Godwin line in the last day or two of the challenge. Even if he managed an incredible 220 mpd for the next two months, he still be in the last week when he crosses the Godwin line.

In the last week Kurt's average shot up to an impressive 225 mpd. Perhaps that home straight feeling will allow him to build a substantial Godwin buffer after all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 20 November, 2015, 09:50:53 am
Bernard Bennett only has a few hours left as second place in the annual mileage hall of fame, as Kurt only needs 4 more miles to overhaul the 1939 total.  Kurt also as less than 10,000 miles to go (a casual comment tossed away by someone whose never managed 10,000 miles in an entire year).  He's also had 11 straight 200 mile plus days - his best since mid-September.  Does feel like that home stretch is beckoning.  Again, if you can imagine 10,000 miles as being "nearly there".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2015, 11:38:34 am
An amazing performance.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2015, 11:40:21 am
Kurt's tracker has just started. That's early - a big day in store?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 20 November, 2015, 11:53:25 am
I am secretly hoping he is going for a Godwin calendar year now.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 20 November, 2015, 12:39:47 pm
Yes thats amazing only 10,000 to go  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 20 November, 2015, 12:50:16 pm
Weather at the mo is 23 degrees with a northernly breeze. Me thinks a 250+ mile day.

Go Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 21 November, 2015, 04:16:06 am
Bernard Bennett only has a few hours left as second place in the annual mileage hall of fame, as Kurt only needs 4 more miles to overhaul the 1939 total.  Kurt also as less than 10,000 miles to go (a casual comment tossed away by someone whose never managed 10,000 miles in an entire year).  He's also had 11 straight 200 mile plus days - his best since mid-September.  Does feel like that home stretch is beckoning.  Again, if you can imagine 10,000 miles as being "nearly there".

Funny to think that three times my annual mileage represents little more than the home straight from where Kurt is now.

It really does bring this whole thing into perspective. Kurt, Steve, whoever else is doing the record attempt, are doing something that still boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 21 November, 2015, 09:28:29 am
another day of GPS woes for kurt including one ride with 65,000m of elevation

had to laugh at one of the comments on Strava

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Vikas Kirola (Siddhant) - Pls delete the activity... this is very demoralising for the real hard working riders

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 21 November, 2015, 10:40:59 am
That's actually really funny!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 21 November, 2015, 06:36:22 pm
;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 November, 2015, 06:19:02 am
Kurt's target is down to 191mpd - the lowest its ever been.  Just the average 300km Audax to go for another 46 days.  How many of us have knocked out 46 300s in a lifetime, let alone a year?  Or even done a RTTY comprising of 300s.  And this is the 'end is almost in sight' phase.  Astonishing.   He's still got more than my best annual mileage to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 26 November, 2015, 09:16:47 am
252 mile stonker yesterday.  Tarzan must have the Godwin record firmly in his mental sights now.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 26 November, 2015, 09:57:23 am
And the first 240 at 19.1 mph average!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 26 November, 2015, 12:09:38 pm
Awesome riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 November, 2015, 04:26:59 pm
Ivan's page has him creeping north at 6 mph today; hopefully this is just some kind of SCIENCE fail rather than an accurate representation of reality ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 26 November, 2015, 05:16:39 pm
I think Kurt has that mental boost when you are near to the end of an event, there is light at the end of the tunnel, the end is near.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 November, 2015, 11:28:05 pm
Now his remaining target is in 4 figures, it does suddenly seem a lot closer. Even I might, if I tried very hard, manage 8000 miles a year! (I never have).

I notice Kurt has stopped for the night near a parade of shops, one of which is called, and I quote, "Mama's Kuntry Cafe". That's one word whose spelling you really want to leave intact.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 27 November, 2015, 08:14:26 am
He still needs to do slightly more than my best ever annual mileage. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 29 November, 2015, 09:41:50 am
Less than 8000 miles to go now. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Lars on 29 November, 2015, 11:33:48 pm
Will be interesting to see if he'll change ride pattern during the final couple of weeks. With the campaign coming to
an end on Jan 10, and if going for an extremely well-earned rest period directly afterwards, he might choose to go for
an all-out effort squeezing all remaining mayo out of the tube with longer days and less sleep. But maybe this has been
so exhausting he'll just want to (or be able to) bring it home safely and controlled.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 30 November, 2015, 10:08:20 pm
I keep wondering if he's banking a few miles to have a day off over Christmas
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 01 December, 2015, 12:08:13 am
I keep wondering if he's banking a few miles to have a day off over Christmas

I doubt it, he only took a few hours off for his wedding
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 01 December, 2015, 04:47:07 am
Kurt's target is down to 191mpd - the lowest its ever been.  Just the average 300km Audax to go for another 46 days.  How many of us have knocked out 46 300s in a lifetime, let alone a year?  Or even done a RTTY comprising of 300s.  And this is the 'end is almost in sight' phase.  Astonishing.   He's still got more than my best annual mileage to do.

Just 46 x 300km, in 46 days. Easy enough to do, right?

(says he, who has done a grand total of one 300km ever and hurt for two days afterwards...)

Although it does remind me of my usual response when people have asked how I can possibly cycle 100 miles in a day. I tell them it's easy to do, you press the left pedal, then press the right pedal, and repeat until you get there.

But on a serious note, holy crap that's a lot of cycling. Major major kudos, and every single chapeau that's out there should be tipped to Kurt and to Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: ianrauk on 01 December, 2015, 09:43:55 am
I keep wondering if he's banking a few miles to have a day off over Christmas

I doubt it, he only took a few hours off for his wedding

Nor for Thanksgiving, which in the US is usually a bigger celebration then Christmas.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: La Tortue on 01 December, 2015, 01:10:27 pm


Nor for Thanksgiving, which in the US is usually a bigger celebration then Christmas.
This statement is well off the mark.  Thanksgiving basically marks the start of the  Christmas season. Christmas is actually a month or more of celebrating. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 01 December, 2015, 01:19:17 pm
I make it that Kurt has 40 days left  :thumbsup: that will soon pass by.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LeoW on 02 December, 2015, 11:54:16 am

Has Kurt got enough in the bank (and his tank) to beat Tommy Godwin's best 365 days -  77,001 miles?

Quote from an earlier thread :

"He completed the 100,000 on the 14 May 1940. By 13th May 1939 he had covered 22,999 miles, which means  he actually covered 77,001 miles in the 12 months from 14th May 1939."

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 02 December, 2015, 01:03:29 pm
I think Kurt's done around 67,500 with 40 days to go (325 days x 75,065 miles / 365 day + 690 miles based on Jo's latest report and reflecting Kurt started 10 days after Steve).  So would need to ride around 237.5 miles a day to end with 77,001 miles ( 77,001 - 67,500 / 40).

He's got 30 days or so until the end of calendar year 2015, and so needs to ride around 250 miles a day to reach the calendar year mark set by Tommy. 

It's personal opinion as to whether these are achievable, or relevant.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 03 December, 2015, 04:16:55 am


Nor for Thanksgiving, which in the US is usually a bigger celebration then Christmas.
This statement is well off the mark.  Thanksgiving basically marks the start of the  Christmas season. Christmas is actually a month or more of celebrating.

Christmas is more like a couple of months of hype, briefly interrupted by stuffing ourselves silly at Thanksgiving, which all blows over after one day. There's no Boxing Day in the US so even if you don't work in retail the chances are you're only going to get one day off work. If you work in retail it probably won't be long before you're expected in the store in the evening on Christmas Day so the entitlement brigade of consumers don't have to struggle through a whole 24 hours without buying some Chinese crap they don't need.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 December, 2015, 10:30:04 am
Kurt continues to knock out 200+ mile days and his target per day is now starting to drop fast - only 185mpd now.  Only!!!  He now has less to do than my highest annual mileage!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 03 December, 2015, 11:24:19 am
Barring a disaster, Kurt seems to have proven the way to do this challenge. Chapeau!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 03 December, 2015, 11:35:41 am
If you work in retail it probably won't be long before you're expected in the store in the evening on Christmas Day so the entitlement brigade of consumers don't have to struggle through a whole 24 hours without buying some Chinese crap they don't need.

and food; it amazes me how most peeps seems to get through an entire trolley full of stuff that they purchased on Dec 24th by the time the shops open again on the 27th  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 03 December, 2015, 11:10:16 pm
Currently at 200 miles, :o. Another couple of hours to go for a 240+ ride?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 December, 2015, 11:25:20 pm
I think it is possible to list the advantages that Kurt has had, but the biggest one is simple, and one Steve alluded to in his television interview before his challenge started at the start of the year: he's Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 December, 2015, 12:45:35 am
Currently at 200 miles, :o. Another couple of hours to go for a 240+ ride?

220 Ivan-miles three minutes ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 December, 2015, 02:18:28 pm
Kurt may have achieved something that only returning lunar astronauts have experienced before.  7500 miles to go and "almost there".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 December, 2015, 08:58:06 am
6000 miles to go.  Walk in the park - seems quite literally - if he's got riders to tow him around circuits.  it seems like he's got some local momentum now - probably easy to get people out to take a turn - knowing that they are likely to be helping someone to a successful record attempt.  At 200mpd he'd have 4 days in hand.  That's the equivalent of breaking the 100m sprint by 0.12 of a second.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 08 December, 2015, 07:50:38 am
Well done Kurt. Interesting the 100m record in the 1930 was 10.3 now it's 9.58. We're not going to see that type of increase anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andyoxon on 08 December, 2015, 05:37:44 pm
6000 miles to go.  Walk in the park - seems quite literally - if he's got riders to tow him around circuits.  it seems like he's got some local momentum now - probably easy to get people out to take a turn - knowing that they are likely to be helping someone to a successful record attempt.  At 200mpd he'd have 4 days in hand.  That's the equivalent of breaking the 100m sprint by 0.12 of a second.

Yup nearly at 70K miles  - pretty amazing.  Noticed Kurt's last ride was the equivalent of 37m elevation/100km for his 345km ride - that's flat!  Shame Steve doesn't have any similar 'hamster wheels'. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 December, 2015, 11:56:30 am
Kurt should pass 70,000 miles some time on Sunday. I reckon that requires a raised glass of something rather special.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 December, 2015, 10:07:37 am
2nd Rider in history to pass 70,000 miles in a year

Congratulations Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 12 December, 2015, 10:09:14 am
That is absolutely bloody amazing. I simply cannot comprehend that kind of mileage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 12 December, 2015, 10:19:00 am
Extraordinary!  Well done Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 12 December, 2015, 10:50:41 am
2nd Rider in history to pass 70,000 miles in a year

Congratulations Kurt
Now why would anyone do something so silly awesome, way to go Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 10:52:42 am
Has he reached 70k yet? According to his own website it will be either today or tomorrow.

http://www.tarzanrides.com/resources/projection.pdf

That shows 69674.5 at the end of 10th December. He did over 200 miles yesterday, so should it not be some time today that he passes 70k?

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2015, 11:43:28 am
Maybe:
2nd Rider in history to pass 70,000 miles in a year

Congratulations Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 12 December, 2015, 12:07:52 pm
Yes, but has he reached 70k miles? 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 12:26:11 pm
His total on Strava is 112814km= 70099mi 650.1944yd so we are in a grey area. I would have thought that the spreadsheet on Kurt's own website would be the figure he submits to UMCA and therefore official, but I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 12 December, 2015, 12:26:33 pm
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12322435_1680759328832440_2060802708028418012_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 12 December, 2015, 12:32:49 pm
I think he will have unambiguously passed 70,000 miles in the HAMR by the end of today. His Strava total reports 2015 rides which includes some between 1-9th January before he officially started the challenge.

But however you cut it, it is an impressive total that deserves congratulation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 12:42:53 pm
Absolutely. But as a pedant, I have to know precisely when to raise my glass! That photo looks as though he thinks he has done 70k miles! Well done him!

Edit: until you look at his FB page! The caption says "Happening today!" That's good, because I think it's too early to drink a toast to anything just yet. His last day is 9th Jan so after today he will have 28 days left.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 12:54:08 pm
I suppose we ought to open a book on when he will break the record. He seems to be in marvellous form at the moment. The last time he had a day in which he rode less than a Godwin was 8th November. He has ridden 5995 miles in the last 28 days. If he does the same over the next 28, that will be 4th or 5th Jan to exceed 75065.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 02:23:01 pm
Looking at his total from his own spreadsheet, and adding on 210 for yesterday, takes him to 69885 at the start today. I reckon that once the tracker gives him 115 for today, that's the time for me to raise my glass. He's currently on 35 miles, so 80 to do. That should be around 7pm. Very appropriate!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 12 December, 2015, 03:28:45 pm
I hope he'll be getting a custom jersey to wear on the auspicious day itself. Is Alicia on the case?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 03:31:14 pm
His total on Strava is 112814km= 70099mi 650.1944yd so we are in a grey area...

Don't forget that he started on 10 January, and the Strava total is from 1 January (he did a few long rides before the "official" start).

Bloody impressive.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 12 December, 2015, 07:03:17 pm
Congratulations Kurt, bloody awesome!

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 07:08:42 pm
Another hour or so to go, I reckon. He's just passed 100 miles for the day, according to the tracker.

Edit: although he seems to have stopped. Savouring the moment?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 12 December, 2015, 07:41:27 pm
Outstanding.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 December, 2015, 08:08:35 pm
Indeed. He is now past 115 on the tracker. Is today the day he pulls ahead of Tommy Godwin's actual miles, as opposed to his average? He's damned close.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12342325_1528815174104353_8952845730968532474_n.jpg?oh=22f12f28fa4c44653e58a63e986d8b38&oe=56DA4116)

I even opened a new bottle in his honour!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 13 December, 2015, 04:28:32 pm
Nice! But perhaps you should have sent him the bottle to savour as he has done all the hard work!! We are but spectators O:-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: JohnR on 13 December, 2015, 08:41:25 pm
I must say my cap is doff'ed to Kurt's efforts for percevering against all the problems he has overcome - a true athlete in all senses.

It remains to be seen now how much further he can move the target for others to follow, I wish him well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 14 December, 2015, 04:32:31 am
If you work in retail it probably won't be long before you're expected in the store in the evening on Christmas Day so the entitlement brigade of consumers don't have to struggle through a whole 24 hours without buying some Chinese crap they don't need.

and food; it amazes me how most peeps seems to get through an entire trolley full of stuff that they purchased on Dec 24th by the time the shops open again on the 27th  :-\

Yep, go to the stores on Christmas Eve and see the people with trolleys filled with enough food to last an army about six months. Hey, you gotta be prepared, the shops are shut for TWENTY FOUR WHOLE HOURS, and how could you face the embarrassment if Great Aunt Maude asked for picked squid eyes and you didn't have any?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 14 December, 2015, 04:34:11 am
I suppose we ought to open a book on when he will break the record. He seems to be in marvellous form at the moment. The last time he had a day in which he rode less than a Godwin was 8th November. He has ridden 5995 miles in the last 28 days. If he does the same over the next 28, that will be 4th or 5th Jan to exceed 75065.

Holy crap... 28 days of riding took him further than I've ever cycled in a year. I know I'm not exactly a hardcore audaxer but that's worthy of serious respect.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 14 December, 2015, 07:33:29 am
..... and how could you face the embarrassment if Great Aunt Maude asked for picked squid eyes and you didn't have any?


I've met him and I don't think he would, HTH
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 14 December, 2015, 09:36:16 pm
Just seen the latest video on Kurts Facebook page showing him riding round Flatwood Park

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides) - no account required.

Looks ideal for racking up the miles. He has company as well to help motivation and someone to draft at times.

Tuesday and Thursday he is apparently riding with the Schlitters who are big recumbent riders and have ridden with him before. He'll probably be on his recumbent as well that day. I'm anticipating big miles and a high average speed, as was the case when they rode with him before.

You've got to admire the bloke, after all this time and effort he's sprinting towards the finish line.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 14 December, 2015, 09:44:40 pm
Everything about this shows how he's got this nailed. It's a DISTANCE event, not a DIFFICULTY event.

Ride flat loops, tailwinds, with company if they show up, and have someone to come home to. Sorted!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 14 December, 2015, 10:10:32 pm
Just seen the latest video on Kurts Facebook page showing him riding round Flatwood Park

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides (https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides) - no account required.

Looks ideal for racking up the miles. He has company as well to help motivation and someone to draft at times.

Tuesday and Thursday he is apparently riding with the Schlitters who are big recumbent riders and have ridden with him before. He'll probably be on his recumbent as well that day. I'm anticipating big miles and a high average speed, as was the case when they rode with him before.

You've got to admire the bloke, after all this time and effort he's sprinting towards the finish line.

He has and they are. I think John and three others who rode RAAM back in 2007 still holds the four person RAAM record, Jacq has done RAAM as well and among the two of them they've done multiple ultra events. John has recently launched his own brand of recumbent after leaving Bachetta and thier Vite jerseys are really good for riding on a recumbent.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Kurt is trying to break the HAMR, Steve (maybe) is still trying to break the Tommy Godwin record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 14 December, 2015, 11:43:37 pm
Wowbagger, if you'd like another reason to break open the whisky, Kurt has today overtaken Tommy's like-for-like total.

That means he's ridden further in 338 days than any rider in history. Congratulations Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 December, 2015, 06:54:04 am
Well, there's normally one reason or another to break open the whisky.

I notice that yesterday Kurt notched up 399k. That's as near as dammit to 250 miles. He wants this thing finished.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 15 December, 2015, 02:28:11 pm
Well, there's normally one reason or another to break open the whisky.

I notice that yesterday Kurt notched up 399k. That's as near as dammit to 250 miles. He wants this thing finished.

I think he wants to set a mark.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HK on 15 December, 2015, 04:13:05 pm
Agree simonp, he wants the maximum distance he can get and make things as tough as possible for the next person to attempt this.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: aoxomoxoa on 15 December, 2015, 04:17:28 pm
Agree simonp, he wants the maximum distance he can get and make things as tough as possible for the next person to attempt this.

Absolutely this. In the same way that Wiggo would have liked to put another 700 metres into his Hour record, to keep the record for as long as possible.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 15 December, 2015, 04:27:02 pm
I don't think anyone believed Kurt when he said a couple of months ago that he was aiming to add a single mile to the record.  ;)

I always suspected that when the end was within reach he'd go all out to add as many extra miles as humanly possible, so I am expecting some long days in the remaining few weeks.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 December, 2015, 04:27:53 pm
Tenuous claim to fame part 394 - I had dinner with John Schlitter, or at least sat at the opposite end of the same (rather long) table ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 December, 2015, 05:13:02 pm
Tenuous claim to fame part 394 - I had dinner with John Schlitter, or at least sat at the opposite end of the same (rather long) table ;D

Is that your tenuous claim to fame or his?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 15 December, 2015, 05:18:28 pm
I have a feeling that I'm probably supposed to know who John Schlitter is. 


Edit.  'S OK.  I googled.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 December, 2015, 05:36:48 pm
Tenuous claim to fame part 394 - I had dinner with John Schlitter, or at least sat at the opposite end of the same (rather long) table ;D

Is that your tenuous claim to fame or his?

His, definitely ;D

I was once called "another goddamn internet celebrity" by recumbent legend
(http://www.carsstink.org/peterson/bluejoe.jpg)
Joe Kochanowski... (http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 15 December, 2015, 05:42:24 pm
I have a feeling that I'm probably supposed to know who John Schlitter is.

If you've ridden or ride a recumbent and you compete in ultra events in the States then you would. Or if you've ever owned a Bachetta or the newish Schlitter recumbent model which was released earlier this year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 15 December, 2015, 08:10:25 pm
I rather enjoyed following Kurt round Florida on Google maps when he started this attempt - there's nothing like sound of
gentle Floridian waves coming over the speakers in a poky old flat in dreary olde England [yes, I know, get a life]...but now he's a bit more off road, I can't get access to where he's cycling.
Is he going to stay in that New Tampa park now until January? Has he decided, that's enough, and there's more miles to be had there than the open road? Maybe he's got this far and is now not going to risk a traffic accident? Certainly a good way to pile on the miles, that' for sure.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 December, 2015, 06:15:04 am
Another 407km yesterday. At this rate he will increase the record to about 77000 miles. That will require >211 miles per day for any future challenger.

I tend not to use the word "awesome" because it has become so devalued by over-use, but it's hard to think of a more suitable adjective to describe Kurt's efforts. I am filled with awe.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 December, 2015, 07:56:26 am
Another 407km yesterday. At this rate he will increase the record to about 77000 miles. That will require >211 miles per day for any future challenger.

I tend not to use the word "awesome" because it has become so devalued by over-use, but it's hard to think of a more suitable adjective to describe Kurt's efforts. I am filled with awe.

He seems to be riding like the pressure's off - that he feels the record's in the bag.  It's still a mighty achievement -thinking that he did this pretty much in 10 - 11 hours of daylight!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 December, 2015, 08:51:23 am
Yesterday was, according to the HAMR spreadsheet, Kurt's 37th consecutive 200+ mile day.  Irrespective of ambient weather, company, good roads, etc, to do that after 60,000 miles is mindblowing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 16 December, 2015, 09:54:27 am
I mainly know the name Schlitter from between aralsopp's legs!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 16 December, 2015, 09:58:22 am
Kurt really has lit the burners the average speeds are incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jack_P on 16 December, 2015, 11:11:16 am
Not sure if this article has been linked too

https://www.outsideonline.com/2039276/hello-i-must-be-going

Getting Paid to ride your bike by your ex-wife, the guy is a genius  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 16 December, 2015, 12:10:42 pm
Not sure if this article has been linked too

https://www.outsideonline.com/2039276/hello-i-must-be-going

Getting Paid to ride your bike by your ex-wife, the guy is a genius  ;D

Thanks for that.  The most informative and well-written article I've read so far.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 16 December, 2015, 01:10:22 pm
Not sure if this article has been linked too

https://www.outsideonline.com/2039276/hello-i-must-be-going

Getting Paid to ride your bike by your ex-wife, the guy is a genius  ;D
If it was linked I missed it so thanks anyway, a very good read.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: eck on 16 December, 2015, 01:12:26 pm
Not sure if this article has been linked too

https://www.outsideonline.com/2039276/hello-i-must-be-going

Getting Paid to ride your bike by your ex-wife, the guy is a genius  ;D
If it was linked I missed it so thanks anyway, a very good read.
Yes indeed, a good piece. And not once did he use that terrible phrase "pedal power".  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: michaelo on 16 December, 2015, 03:05:05 pm
Good read.  What was the outcome on the beers - thought the rules specified alcohol free?  Or did UCMA relax that?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 16 December, 2015, 03:20:19 pm
In essence, they clarified that they were not puritans and had common sense.

 You aren't allowed to drink and ride whilst participating on the HAM'R, but at the end of each day you aren't riding so it is ok to "refresh" yourself.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 16 December, 2015, 03:28:44 pm
She is telling him to go get 76543.21 miles in, in the latest farcebook video :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 December, 2015, 03:41:42 pm
I don't quite know what Kurt has been up to today. He started off really early for his first 10 miles and then seened to stop for quite some time. He is up to 22 miles now. Perhaps even Kurt is human and needs a rest.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 16 December, 2015, 03:47:17 pm
Or the interviews are ramping up?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: swampthing on 16 December, 2015, 08:20:00 pm
Not sure if this article has been linked too

https://www.outsideonline.com/2039276/hello-i-must-be-going

Getting Paid to ride your bike by your ex-wife, the guy is a genius  ;D

There is a long article about Kurt in last weekend's magazine of the "Sueddeutsche", one of Germany's biggest premium newspapers:
http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/43968 (http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/43968)

As the article is in German it might be of limited interest for you, but this picture might be worth a look:
http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/bildergalerie/43968/2/Fest-im-Sattel#bild (http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/bildergalerie/43968/2/Fest-im-Sattel#bild)

The author has accompanied Kurt for one day and his story is written primarily for non-cyclists, giving them an insight into the dedication that the HAMR requires.

Some statements are:
- ... 10 drops/ crashes so far ...
- getting up at 4:30 every morning
- October was hard due to hurricane Patricia
- Kurt's plans for 2016? "kayak tours, hunting, mountainbiking" How about a book, lectures or seminars about motivation? "Not interested."
- What will you do if you get the record and it gets beaten? "I will never ever try this again."
 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 16 December, 2015, 08:36:28 pm
- What will you do if you get the record and it gets beaten? "I will never ever try this again."

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 16 December, 2015, 09:16:38 pm
- What will you do if you get the record and it gets beaten? "I will never ever try this again."

 ;D

Good to see his mental health is still in good shape :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 16 December, 2015, 11:20:07 pm

How about a book, lectures or seminars about motivation? "Not interested."


That's interesting; he comes across very well on his videos
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 December, 2015, 12:03:12 am

How about a book, lectures or seminars about motivation? "Not interested."


That's interesting; he comes across very well on his videos

I read the Bill Bryson book about the year 1927. Lindbergh is one of the key figures, and there's a passing reference to Gertrude Ederle, the first woman to swim the Channel. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/01/sports/gertrude-ederle-the-first-woman-to-swim-across-the-english-channel-dies-at-98.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In the US, such celebrity is fleeting, it's much better to have a successful business providing software for car dealers. I'm very much in favour of Kurt going back to work, and not preaching some spurious gospel of self-actualisation through cycling to bond dealers.


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 17 December, 2015, 07:51:44 am
Alicia has alluded to her writing a book about the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 17 December, 2015, 09:06:45 am
4000 miles to go.  That's only 5 and a bit PBPs left to do between now and midnight on 9th January.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: madcow on 17 December, 2015, 09:21:06 am
- What will you do if you get the record and it gets beaten? "I will never ever try this again."

 ;D

Good to see his mental health is still in good shape :)

Not suffering from randonesia (or it's HAMR equivalent) -yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 December, 2015, 09:41:57 am
In the US, such celebrity is fleeting, it's much better to have a successful business providing software for car dealers. I'm very much in favour of Kurt going back to work, and not preaching some spurious gospel of self-actualisation through cycling to bond dealers.

And you end up with a creepy stalker.  Whaddya mean series 3 of "The Bridge" isn't a documentary?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 December, 2015, 04:44:40 pm
Will Tarzan break the record before the end of December?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 17 December, 2015, 04:54:44 pm
He's over 4000 miles to go.  In 14 days.  285 miles a day or so.

I'd suggest not a snowball's chance in hell.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 17 December, 2015, 05:00:03 pm
Don't let Kurt hear you otherwise he'll rise to the challenge and there'll be a white Christmas in the underworld.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 17 December, 2015, 05:05:44 pm
I'd love to see him prove me wrong.  But he won't.  Pussy  ;D

I predict Kurt will break the record on 4 January.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 17 December, 2015, 08:46:55 pm
Still not in the bag for Kurt. Don't jinx it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 17 December, 2015, 09:52:06 pm
I see that the HAM(ste)R has escaped from the wheel and is heading north. 158 miles before 5pm Florida time is more than usual, isn't it?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 December, 2015, 08:01:36 am
A short day by Kurt's standards - 202 miles - and the first time since 8th November that he hasn't ridden a Godwin. That doesn't matter a scrap in the general scheme of things as it's still at least 25 miles above his required daily distance. He could notch up 202 every day between now and 10th Jan and still add about 600 miles to the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 18 December, 2015, 11:47:16 am
Tracker turned on. 250 miles today? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 18 December, 2015, 01:07:38 pm
Tracker turned on. 250 miles today? :thumbsup:

A certain shipping forecast says a NNW wind for the reminder of the day so it is possible.

Go Tarzan, go.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: sg37409 on 18 December, 2015, 04:35:08 pm
Go Tarzan, go.

Encouragments like this should automatically playthe tarzan call sound (http://www.orangefreesounds.com/tarzan-call/)  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mikes on 18 December, 2015, 10:06:13 pm
I don't think Kurt's and Tommy Godwin's efforts are comparable for a number of reasons, but in any case it's  worth noting that based on his records Godwin did at least 76,600 miles in his best consecutive 365 days which is the HAMR ciriterion.  See Ian Dow's comment on Steve Abraham's official website.  Kurt needs to speed up to exceed that mileage by end of 9 Jan.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 18 December, 2015, 10:17:00 pm
I don't think Kurt's and Tommy Godwin's efforts are comparable for a number of reasons, but in any case it's  worth noting that based on his records Godwin did at least 76,600 miles in his best consecutive 365 days which is the HAMR criterion.

No it isn't. The HAM'R requires competitors to state which 365 days before they start the first of them. That's quite different to choosing the best 365 days after the event.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 December, 2015, 12:28:47 am
Kurt has just passed 200 miles for the day on the tracker. He has been riding in pretty straight lines today, so I doubt that there will be a lot of discrepancy between the tracker and the official result for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 19 December, 2015, 02:35:45 am
I don't think Kurt's and Tommy Godwin's efforts are comparable for a number of reasons, but in any case it's  worth noting that based on his records Godwin did at least 76,600 miles in his best consecutive 365 days which is the HAMR ciriterion.  See Ian Dow's comment on Steve Abraham's official website.  Kurt needs to speed up to exceed that mileage by end of 9 Jan.

You're right, you can't compare their efforts. Kurt's mileage is verifiable.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mikes on 19 December, 2015, 07:28:30 pm
I'm no expert but Tommy's mileage appears to have been verified in the best way that the technology of the time would have allowed.  UMCA and their HAMR Rules didn't exist in 1939 / 1940, so obviously Tommy wasn't working to those Rules.  However, verifiability  wasn't one of the reasons for my comment that the rides are not really comparable. I was thinking more of the bikes being used, the road conditions and the information technology that's providing input on things like forecast wind speed and direction.  Use of tri-bars, carbon bikes, recumbents and even modern lights make long distance riding materially easier (but not easy!) now than would have been possible with the technology of 1939/40.  Tri-bars alone would be worth 1-2 miles an hour at the speeds that Kurt has been averaging.  However, riding 200+ miles a day for 365 consecutive days is a serious challenge on any bike, even with today's relative advantages. It looks like Kurt will be the first to establish a record under the UMCA's HAMR Rules, as he is already ahead of Steve Abraham's total, so Kurt's mileage will be a natural target for anyone else riding under those Rules.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 December, 2015, 08:59:48 pm
I don't think Kurt's and Tommy Godwin's efforts are comparable for a number of reasons, but in any case it's  worth noting that based on his records Godwin did at least 76,600 miles in his best consecutive 365 days which is the HAMR ciriterion.  See Ian Dow's comment on Steve Abraham's official website.  Kurt needs to speed up to exceed that mileage by end of 9 Jan.

Tommy's 4 speed Sturmey Archer Hub saved him 1/3 of his effort, so he didn't actually break the previous record at all. He seems very pleased with himself about the results of his cheating.

(http://www.sturmey-archerheritage.com/images/photos/pic-659-s.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 19 December, 2015, 09:20:14 pm
his torso doesn't look vey Aero
Title: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HK on 19 December, 2015, 09:42:29 pm
No road records can be compared like for like.  It's the nature of the beast.  Bike technology and road conditions are constantly changing.  This can extend as far as the hour record where a new track like the London one has been specifically designed to give riders optimum conditions for record breaking.

Those that chase records accept this including me having broken a record and having failed on another.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 December, 2015, 10:10:05 pm
There was a comment on Strava about the Floridian road death rate being the highest in the US, down to the preponderance of ancient drivers. That's another good argument for going round those hamster wheels, which are, presumably, free of motor vehicles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 December, 2015, 12:29:19 am
Seperated at birth.


(http://www.east-anglia-sea-angling.co.uk/Images/CATWEASEL.jpg)


Kurt Searvogel.




(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10288774_1683690601872646_4158315370526939336_n.jpg?oh=5f7018c6ef0cb43613cc713936003309&oe=57070D00)

Catweazle.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 December, 2015, 06:50:16 am
BY my reckoning Kurt has just 3000 miles to go.  And 19 days. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 December, 2015, 06:52:24 am
Kurt ailed yesterday. Knee trouble. A mere 215 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 December, 2015, 06:57:45 am
BY my reckoning Kurt has just 3000 miles to go.  And 19 days.
I thought it was 20 days and about 3290. 22nd today, which he has yet to ride, then up to the end of 10th Jan.

http://www.tarzanrides.com/ refers, but that's usually at least a day out. It's not 100% clear, I would agree.

Correction - up to 9th Jan. You are right. I think I am missing a day as well, relying too much on the Tarzan Rides website. No doubt Jo will be along in a moment with a beautifal graph that makes everything crystal clear.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 December, 2015, 07:39:41 pm
I see that Kurt's dodgy knee from yesterday doesn't seem to be stopping him at all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 23 December, 2015, 08:47:24 am
Not a sigle day under 200 miles for over a month (and many significantly higher) despite health niggles and the possible temptation to back off now the end is in sight.  Quite amazing.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 December, 2015, 08:52:58 am
Quite. Whatever the state of his knee, that looked like another 225 mile day yesterday. It's looking as though he will be adding about 5 days' riding to the record, so another 1100 or so on top. The question is, will he ride right up to midnight on 9th Jan? He could finish with a 300 mile day if he did.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HK on 23 December, 2015, 01:00:59 pm
I would without hesitation as once it's midnight he can have as much sleep as he wants.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 23 December, 2015, 01:05:05 pm
The question is, will he ride right up to midnight on 9th Jan? He could finish with a 300 mile day if he did.

The answer is, he'll do whatever Alicia wants him to do. No doubt in my mind that she's the reason that he's piling up the miles here towards the end.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 23 December, 2015, 01:06:38 pm
I reckon he might struggle once he's got past the mark.  It will be like going past the checkerboard on a time trial, the legs will suddenly want to stop turning.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 December, 2015, 01:08:16 pm
The question is, will he ride right up to midnight on 9th Jan? He could finish with a 300 mile day if he did.

The answer is, he'll do whatever Alicia wants him to do. No doubt in my mind that she's the reason that he's piling up the miles here towards the end.

Do you think he'll have the energy?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 23 December, 2015, 01:22:36 pm
Bad Wowbagger!  Go sit in the corner.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HK on 23 December, 2015, 02:07:15 pm

I reckon he might struggle once he's got past the mark.  It will be like going past the checkerboard on a time trial, the legs will suddenly want to stop turning.

I'd say not. He'll be miles greedy and want to acquire as many as possible. Mileating is more like a 24 hour - more is always better, so if you've got the time you ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 23 December, 2015, 02:59:34 pm
I get the impression he's really enjoying this final run-in, and that he really appreciates and responds to the social benefits of riding in a group with like-minded (and fast and fit) riders. I think he'll, if anything, up the pace a bit as the end approaches and he doesn't need to leave anything in the tank.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 23 December, 2015, 03:14:08 pm
I doubt he'll be wanting to come here again in a hurry in the coming years. He also now knows something that none of us know - what it takes in reality to get to where he is right now. He must feel blessed to a degree. He's had his scares along the way, it could have been so very different and now the finish really is in sight. Now matter how exhausted he feels, all those factors grouped together must be a massive boast psychologically. I can't see anything other than huge amounts of adrenaline pumping through his veins over the next couple of weeks. Time to make the most of the situation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Freya on 23 December, 2015, 03:45:25 pm
& having done all this, he doesn't want to hold the record for just 8/12 months. He must want to put it beyond reach (as far as he can)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jamesld8 on 23 December, 2015, 04:11:40 pm
I get the impression he's really enjoying this final run-in, and that he really appreciates and responds to the social benefits of riding in a group with like-minded (and fast and fit) riders. I think he'll, if anything, up the pace a bit as the end approaches and he doesn't need to leave anything in the tank.

+1 just reading his (or Alicia`s ) post on FB and it reads like he`s having a real great and fun time, plenty of cycling mates with him, some sprints during laps at Flatwoods, averaging 20 mph it`s all incredible what he`s done and is still doing. Alicia seems to be a wonderful motivating / inspiring / organising force behind Kurt too---lessons maybe for Steve and his team to consider with Steve`s attempt? Although that`s of course another thread !
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 24 December, 2015, 12:00:58 pm
According to farcebook - Kurt is up for having a go at the 100.000 mark if there is money in the pot :)

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people have asked me what it would take for me to go from the 100,000 mile records. Its simple $$$. If you can find someone to pay my expenses which will be about 100K and acceptable salary of 100K which is base salary of pro rider (non of whom could do this) plus a 200K bonus if I beat the 500 day mark. So if some can find me this sponsor I'm in otherwise I have to go back to work.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 24 December, 2015, 01:16:08 pm
wow.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 24 December, 2015, 01:17:42 pm
According to farcebook - Kurt is up for having a go at the 100.000 mark if there is money in the pot :)

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people have asked me what it would take for me to go from the 100,000 mile records. Its simple $$$. If you can find someone to pay my expenses which will be about 100K and acceptable salary of 100K which is base salary of pro rider (non of whom could do this) plus a 200K bonus if I beat the 500 day mark. So if some can find me this sponsor I'm in otherwise I have to go back to work.

There are a lot of poor people in The Unite States - there are plenty of rich people too.
Be careful what you wish for....you might get it! :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 24 December, 2015, 01:49:16 pm
Quite. Whatever the state of his knee, that looked like another 225 mile day yesterday. It's looking as though he will be adding about 5 days' riding to the record, so another 1100 or so on top. The question is, will he ride right up to midnight on 9th Jan? He could finish with a 300 mile day if he did.

I reckon he'll get about 90 minutes sleep on the night of the 8th, though he might go for a luxurious 3 hours.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 December, 2015, 02:35:20 pm
So $400000. There are plenty of rich US types for whom that sort of cash is pocket money. It just takes one of them to bite...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 December, 2015, 04:26:23 pm
So $400000. There are plenty of rich US types for whom that sort of cash is pocket money. It just takes one of them to bite...

But FFS not Donald Trump, else we'll all have to take back the nice things we've said about Kurt O:-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 December, 2015, 12:26:19 am
Has Kurt finished or the day, I wonder? 165 miles on the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 25 December, 2015, 12:33:42 am
Facebook says 228.7.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 25 December, 2015, 12:45:57 am
Facebook says 228.7.

At 21.5 mph!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 25 December, 2015, 07:04:28 am
368k in a little over 10 and a half hours.

Awesome.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 25 December, 2015, 11:13:26 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 25 December, 2015, 11:59:02 am
Merry Christmas Kurt and Alicia, have a great day.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 December, 2015, 01:25:45 pm
Kurt's already been on the road an hour and three-quarters and is either dawdling or hammering, depending on whether you believe SPOT or Google.  I am now convinced the latter has been drinking.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 December, 2015, 05:54:48 pm
Merry Christmas Kurt - almost there now.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 26 December, 2015, 11:59:15 pm
Kurt's just posted 345km/214 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 27 December, 2015, 09:13:28 am
Alicia's birthday today.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 27 December, 2015, 10:36:50 am
A very happy birthday, Alicia.

Your contribution over the past year has been awesome.


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 27 December, 2015, 10:51:34 am
A very happy birthday, Alicia.

Your contribution over the past year has been awesome.


 :thumbsup:

+1
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 27 December, 2015, 12:02:17 pm
How is the year defined? According to Strava the attempt started on 10th January at 5:11am so his final day could be a very long one. Does Kurt ride in the dark?

BB
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2015, 01:12:09 pm
Apparently Kurt is mildly nyctophobic, at least as far as matters velicipedestrian are concerned, or so I believe.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 27 December, 2015, 01:36:09 pm
Happy Birthday Alicia!

Apologies for getting your name wrong on Christmas Day and thanks again to Zigzag for correcting me.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2015, 01:40:18 pm
Happy birthday, Alicia!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: eck on 27 December, 2015, 08:18:32 pm
Kurt's (Tarzan's) miles are posted on bikejournal.com.

http://www.bikejournal.com/stat.asp?numRider=1 (http://www.bikejournal.com/stat.asp?numRider=1)

According to recent (spoof obv.)  postings there, he is languishing in third place behind two others, the second of whom calls himself  "tarzanISAFRUAD".

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 December, 2015, 08:55:19 pm
Obviously some folk from the bottom half of the internet are hoping for a reaction. Prats.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 December, 2015, 01:14:02 am
That looks like anothe 215 miles in the bag. I think that brings him to within 2000 miles of the record. Nine more lots of 225 miles will do that, with 4 days left to push it up to around the 76000 mile mark.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 December, 2015, 12:14:17 am
Kurt has posted another 353km - that's 220 miles give or take. 1447 to do. Looking like 4th Jan for the new record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 29 December, 2015, 09:36:41 am
Doing ok.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 29 December, 2015, 09:49:51 am
I notice he's been counting down what I assume are the RAAM checkpoint distances to mark his progress as he approaches the record. I can see that would be rewarding after the toil of nearly a year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 30 December, 2015, 08:30:06 am
He's escaping the hamster wheel; here last night

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Weaubleau,+MO,+USA/@39.1612203,-112.8540478,4.52z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x87c5ccfd62aace51:0xad6c541761dfcd16?hl=en

where is the 300k BR he's going to finish on?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: orraloon on 30 December, 2015, 08:47:46 am
He's in Florida.  He is posting a countdown of remaining miles to the record in terms of virtual RAAM timestations.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 December, 2015, 09:16:02 pm
Kurt's website now says he has 1235 miles left in 11 days. That's about 112 miles a day. Given that he is close to 212 miles per day, then it's reasonable to assume that he will add at least 1100 miles to Tommy Godwin's total.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 31 December, 2015, 06:48:38 am
from Facebook

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Closing in on TS 35 - Mississippi River - We Still have 1020 miles to go and 10 days to get there. The target is break the record in 5 days in Flatwoods Park. (Alicia won't let me leave until I break the record).

smart move, stay away from trouble

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 31 December, 2015, 08:11:04 am



smart move


And the latest of very many, in stark comparison to Steve's attempt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 31 December, 2015, 09:40:37 am
Is he nearly there yet?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 31 December, 2015, 11:01:39 am
Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.
I saw that. She's no slouch, is she?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 31 December, 2015, 11:40:14 am
Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.
I saw that. She's no slouch, is she?

Fantastic support, and a damn good rider too!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 31 December, 2015, 02:58:50 pm
from Facebook

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 December, 2015, 04:37:36 pm
I would imagine that they are good cyclists from the UMCA or other top local cyclists.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: RichForrest on 31 December, 2015, 04:52:39 pm
Kim Rowe and Rubin Randel are fairly well known in the recumbent community over there.
A lot of these guys ride the Sebring 24hr every year over there so are great pacers and group riders.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: paul851 on 31 December, 2015, 05:13:36 pm
Interesting that earlier in the year Kurt only had Alicia for support and Steve had the massed ranks of AUK egging him on , now it looks as if Steve will finish his first attempt tonight rather quietly whilst Kurt has more and more riders eager to help him finish.


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 31 December, 2015, 05:36:18 pm
Paul,
There are dozens of support messages posted for Steve this week here and on FB. Quick example (from an AUK trophy winner):
... Well done Steve you are such an inspiration and I genuinely can't believe how you have continued to ride massive distances daily with everything that has happened on the illness, injury and weather fronts. You will be talked about for years and decades to come and you have reawakened the interest in the HAMR.  It's been amazing to watch from the sidelines.

Meanwhile there is now at least as much cash coming in (via SOs) as on Jan 1st.

I'll let you analyse how much Kurt's support has increased, and why that might be ...  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: wajcgac on 31 December, 2015, 06:20:14 pm
I would imagine that they are good cyclists from the UMCA or other top local cyclists.

I think you might be underselling some of them

If you Google John and Jacquie Schlitter (renowned recumbent riders) you'll not find many people with better credentials for helping Kurt.

https://www.raceacrossamerica.org/raam/raam2.php?N_webcat_id=51 (https://www.raceacrossamerica.org/raam/raam2.php?N_webcat_id=51)

John appears in various RAAM records

http://vitebikes.com/jacquie-schlitters-impressive-accomplishments-ultra-racing/ (http://vitebikes.com/jacquie-schlitters-impressive-accomplishments-ultra-racing/)

When they ride with him you can expect high mileage and high speed

https://www.strava.com/activities/455812530 (https://www.strava.com/activities/455812530)

Fortunately for anyone hoping to beat Kurt I think they've only ridden a handful of times around Flatwoods with him.


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 December, 2015, 06:24:50 pm
Which threads on YACF have had more views than this one, will it top 200,000?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: paul851 on 31 December, 2015, 07:27:22 pm
Paul,
There are dozens of support messages posted for Steve this week here and on FB. Quick example (from an AUK trophy winner):
... Well done Steve you are such an inspiration and I genuinely can't believe how you have continued to ride massive distances daily with everything that has happened on the illness, injury and weather fronts. You will be talked about for years and decades to come and you have reawakened the interest in the HAMR.  It's been amazing to watch from the sidelines.

Meanwhile there is now at least as much cash coming in (via SOs) as on Jan 1st.

I'll let you analyse how much Kurt's support has increased, and why that might be ...  ;)

Very true Matt , probably just me feeling melancholy at the year's end and wishing Steve could have had the finish we where all hoping for I think .



Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 31 December, 2015, 08:47:13 pm
I would imagine that they are good cyclists from the UMCA or other top local cyclists.

Just took a look at the UMCA website. Couldn't find Ms Coker there, but Randel and Miller are members. Randel has some 200+ mile 12 hr races and Miller has some 400+ mile 24 hr races and one 400 mile race well under 24hrs.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 31 December, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
At the beginning of the year Kurt was little-known over here, and I got the impression that quite a few people were reluctant to believe that he could seriously compete with Steve in the endurance cycling business. Over the course of the year he's obviously proved himself an incredible rider, and his and Alicia's story, told largely on Facebook, has generated much interest and warmth towards them both, and widespread admiration for their approach and their success. The closer the successful end of the year comes, the more the story gets out and the more interest is generated, and it's thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 01 January, 2016, 12:29:28 am
Alicia and the little known team Tarzan has done wonders and amazing thing this last year, bloody awzome :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2016, 07:12:59 am
Another 226 yesterday. About 800 to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 01 January, 2016, 07:49:17 am
... told largely on Facebook, has generated much interest and warmth towards them both, and widespread admiration ...

They genuinely come across as likable people.

Wishing them success in their marriage.


Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Arry-R on 01 January, 2016, 08:11:08 pm
Is he nearly there yet?





 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Lars on 01 January, 2016, 09:57:08 pm
... told largely on Facebook, has generated much interest and warmth towards them both, and widespread admiration ...

They genuinely come across as likable people.

Wishing them success in their marriage.

+1

It's been good fun following their adventure and watching the Facebook feeds over the year!
Will miss following Kurt's daily progress!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 01 January, 2016, 09:59:01 pm
Does he plan a ride up to the White House on 9th Jan, to meet Mr. President?

Or, as a resident of Arkansas, would it be more likely that he will enjoy his cigar with ex-president Clinton?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 02 January, 2016, 09:37:05 am
Does he plan a ride up to the White House on 9th Jan, to meet Mr. President?

Or, as a resident of Arkansas, would it be more likely that he will enjoy his cigar with ex-president Clinton?

Good god, yACF has changed. Cigar. Clinton. And nobody alluded to *that* incident.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 02 January, 2016, 10:09:12 am
It's been good fun following their adventure and watching the Facebook feeds over the year!
Will miss following Kurt's daily progress!
So will I. Given Alicia's recent demonstration of form how about returning the favor in 2017 eh Kurt?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 January, 2016, 11:22:19 am
It's been good fun following their adventure and watching the Facebook feeds over the year!
Will miss following Kurt's daily progress!
So will I. Given Alicia's recent demonstration of form how about returning the favor in 2017 eh Kurt?

Perhaps Steve can borrow both of them; Kurt to pace him and Alicia to provide RV-based support?!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 02 January, 2016, 11:35:09 am
from Facebook

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 January, 2016, 11:47:04 am
Does he plan a ride up to the White House on 9th Jan, to meet Mr. President?

Or, as a resident of Arkansas, would it be more likely that he will enjoy his cigar with ex-president Clinton?

Good god, yACF has changed. Cigar. Clinton. And nobody alluded to *that* incident.

You don't think that it was a coincidence that I used both those c-words in the same sentence, do you?  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 January, 2016, 11:49:21 am
from Facebook

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders.
I bet those aren't set by a 53-year-old.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 January, 2016, 11:55:09 am
Tsk, mrcharly, one should never ask, or reveal, the Age of a Lady.

But I bet the BRITISH TT record holder wasn't living on the road for a year before setting it either.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 02 January, 2016, 12:32:41 pm
from Facebook

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders.
I bet those aren't set by a 53-year-old.
I bet a UK 53yo has ridden closer to 31mph than to 21.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 02 January, 2016, 01:27:49 pm
from Facebook

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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders.
I bet those aren't set by a 53-year-old.
I bet a UK 53yo has ridden closer to 31mph than to 21.

Who cares.

Go tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 02 January, 2016, 01:59:57 pm

<LMT posts something>


Who cares?

Go Kurt/Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 January, 2016, 02:20:22 pm
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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders. 

I would have thought that any fit, reasonably talented and experienced rider could expect to maintain evens in a group of similar riders on a flat course in decent weather. I'm not decrying Alicia's achievement - I've never had the opportunity to record something similar, but I have ridden in groups at higher speeds than that well into my 50s, so I don't find it at all surprising that she can do it too! My ex-wife, also an amateur who's never raced at all (but is a lot faster than me), can maintain a similar average over 100km in a group with her male clubmates over typically lumpy Suffolk B and C roads. She's 50.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 January, 2016, 02:22:02 pm

<LMT posts something>


Who cares?

Go Kurt/Steve!

Don't forget Dr. Berkeley.   Are there any other riders currently in a challenge?  I have to admit that I've not been paying proper attention.    :-[
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 January, 2016, 02:23:24 pm
Don't have to be male to take on the year record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mikes on 02 January, 2016, 09:18:14 pm
Looks like Kurt has done fewer that 75065 miles in 2015, will do more than that but fewer than 76600 in 365 consecutive days to 9 Jan 2016. (76600 being roughly Godwin's total in the 365 consecutive days ending with his 100000 miles record).  So Kurt will set the initial UMCA HAMRecord (as he's already ahead of Steve A) but since Godwin wasn't riding to UMCA rules and (probably) will have a higher 365 day total, could  it then reasonably be claimed that Godwin's record will have been exceeded?  What fun ...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Freya on 02 January, 2016, 11:01:49 pm
If you don't want to accept it as a new record, that is up to you. I suspect that the vast majority of people will accept the achievment for what it is... Godwin dethroned*

* although still great.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 03 January, 2016, 12:39:58 am
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Started out with 50 miles solo before meeting up with Amanda Coker and Chris Miller before lunch. Alicia Searvogel, Phil, Kim Rowe, Rubin Randel where working it for afternoon. Amanda PR 145 miles and Alicia had a pr of 21mph average for 50 miles.

Does anyone know who these people are? With the speeds/distances they're riding, I have a hard time believing they're just random riders that Kurt is latching onto.

While good, it's worth pointing out that a 21 mph 50 isn't exceptional pro-level performance either, more the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the racing section of any decent club. 

FYI, the British 50 mile TT records are 31.7 and 28.1 mph for men and women respectively, both set by amateur riders.
I bet those aren't set by a 53-year-old.

No, though the third fastest 50 was set by a 48 or 49 year old Andy Wilkinson.  Does that help?  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2016, 08:28:33 am
386.6km yesterday. A quick mental calculation puts that just over 240 miles. I think that makes it just possible for him to break the record today, but I still think it will be tomorrow..
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2016, 08:32:56 am
He HAS invited everyone to meet him for a slap-up on Monday, the record breaking day

Thinks....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 03 January, 2016, 08:49:45 am
386.6km yesterday. A quick mental calculation puts that just over 240 miles. I think that makes it just possible for him to break the record today, but I still think it will be tomorrow..

I wonder if that's a little reminder to Bruce Berkeley - Kurt did that after Steve put in a mega day early in his bid.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: orraloon on 03 January, 2016, 09:37:34 am
His Facething says he plans to break the record between 4-5.30pm on Monday, followed by beer(s).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 January, 2016, 09:59:36 am
He HAS invited everyone to meet him for a slap-up on Monday, the record breaking day

Thinks....

Doesn't TimC sometimes drive his Airbus in that direction?

(Pictures minibus full of BRITISH oaves, louts and oiks turning up and telling him where he went wrong and complaining about the BEER)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 03 January, 2016, 10:01:06 am
I wonder if he could do a flypast and waggle his wings without the passengers noticing?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2016, 10:51:03 am
He HAS invited everyone to meet him for a slap-up on Monday, the record breaking day

Thinks....

Doesn't TimC sometimes drive his Airbus in that direction?

(Pictures minibus full of BRITISH oaves, louts and oiks turning up and telling him where he went wrong and complaining about the BEER)

I'm in!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 03 January, 2016, 11:05:35 am
He HAS invited everyone to meet him for a slap-up on Monday, the record breaking day

Thinks....

Doesn't TimC sometimes drive his Airbus in that direction?

(Pictures minibus full of BRITISH oaves, louts and oiks turning up and telling him where he went wrong and complaining about the BEER)

I will be going to Miami on 13th, just in time to miss the festivities sadly! It's a 3-day trip, and had it been this week, I'd have taken my Ritchey and gone and done a lap or two with (or, more likely, somewhere well behind) Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 03 January, 2016, 12:50:22 pm
Looks like Kurt has done fewer that 75065 miles in 2015, will do more than that but fewer than 76600 in 365 consecutive days to 9 Jan 2016. (76600 being roughly Godwin's total in the 365 consecutive days ending with his 100000 miles record).  So Kurt will set the initial UMCA HAMRecord (as he's already ahead of Steve A) but since Godwin wasn't riding to UMCA rules and (probably) will have a higher 365 day total, could  it then reasonably be claimed that Godwin's record will have been exceeded?  What fun ...

Wasn't there a thread early on about the highest 365 day consecutive total? Ah, yes https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87730.msg1800498#msg1800498 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87730.msg1800498#msg1800498) where Jo calculated 77,001.

His Facething says he plans to break the record between 4-5.30pm on Monday, followed by beer(s).

So strictly speaking he won't be breaking any record on Monday (his HAMR will not be ratified until after 9th Jan, his calendar year total is less than Tommy, and he won't have got to Tommy's 365 consecutive day total). Nevertheless, awesome is the only word I would use to describe his and Alicia's achievement.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Karla on 03 January, 2016, 01:00:47 pm
He'll have calculatedtaken the record for a pre-stated year, rather than a year chosen in retrospect.

[silly autocorrect]
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2016, 02:07:49 pm
He's on his way now, having started at about 1.15 UK time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mileater on 03 January, 2016, 02:25:24 pm
There's a Gofundme set up to pay for the party. So... If anyone wants to buy Tarzan a pint:

https://www.gofundme.com/ts9xac
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 03 January, 2016, 02:33:51 pm
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So strictly speaking he won't be breaking any record on Monday (his HAMR will not be ratified until after 9th Jan, his calendar year total is less than Tommy, and he won't have got to Tommy's 365 consecutive day total).

 :face palm: not this again
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 03 January, 2016, 02:44:34 pm
What miles did Tommy do between the dates that Kurt is using for his HAMR record?

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 03 January, 2016, 03:07:08 pm
pint on its way ;-p
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 03 January, 2016, 03:27:23 pm
Miles done by Tommy Godwin from the 10th of January to the 31st December was 73553. Anyone what miles he done from the 1st to the 9th of January 1940?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 03 January, 2016, 03:49:23 pm
He'll have calculatedtaken the record for a pre-stated year, rather than a year chosen in retrospect.

[silly autocorrect]

Yes, that is correct.  ;)

Although he will be close to riding the furthest ever in a year period, it looks like he will finish up as number 2. I was really hoping he would get over the 77k mark, given his phenomenal effort and interaction over the last year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 January, 2016, 04:37:43 pm
What miles did Tommy do between the dates that Kurt is using for his HAMR record?

None. He's been dead for quite a long while, I believe.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 04 January, 2016, 01:02:47 pm
He's on the road! 120 miles to go for The Record  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on 04 January, 2016, 03:04:40 pm
Tarzan clearly has a very different strategy to Steve. 231 miles on his first day is not that different to Steve, but his average speed is way way faster thus meaning significantly less time on the bike. His average heart rate is also way higher (as you'd expect given the effort to go at that speed). This is all well and good but can he vkeep that kind of effort level up for months on end? I personally suspect not. My thoughts are that Steve's approach has a much better chance over the long run.

It's very interesting looking back at some of the early posts on this thread!

TODAY'S THE DAY...GO TARZAN!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: zigzag on 04 January, 2016, 03:54:01 pm
i remember the scepticism about Kurt's prospects from several users of this forum early last year. tables were turned :)

CONGRATULATIONS KURT!!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: MrDrem on 04 January, 2016, 04:13:28 pm
I currently have Kurt at 74815.7 miles at the end of 03/01/2016 , putting him 249.3 behind Tommy's 75065 miles.  See https://goo.gl/RBHtiS for details.

That's based on UMCA data to 08/12/2015, and Strava data since then. The UMCA has been losing about .2 of a mile a day for the Strava distances.

I'd be interested to see exactly where the difference is though.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 04 January, 2016, 05:27:26 pm
Is he nearly there yet?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 04 January, 2016, 05:34:52 pm
60 - 70 miles to go?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2016, 05:42:32 pm
He seems to be taking a break at 75 tracker miles. Whilst he has been on the hamster wheel the tracker has recorded only about 75% of what has later turned up on Strava, so I would guess that he is currently taking a breather at the 100 mile mark. OK, today he has a planned short day with a party, so I reckon another couple of hours' cycling should see him in the pub.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sea of vapours on 04 January, 2016, 05:44:28 pm
He posted '...52 to go ...' on F'book one hour ago, so about 30 now, thus likely to cross the virtual line at about 1915 UK time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 04 January, 2016, 05:44:53 pm
Expectant anticipation coupled with admiration ...   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: saturn on 04 January, 2016, 06:17:38 pm
I thought he'd reached the target yesterday. The HAMR spreadsheet I've been checking showed 75079.3 after 03/01/16 - am I missing domething? http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php

Congratulations to Kurt anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2016, 06:21:26 pm
I thought that. Someone upthread reckons that there's an ineligible 160 miles or so showing on the HAMR website.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2016, 06:23:44 pm
Once the tracker is over 105 miles I reckon he's there. It's showing 89 miles so far. Lap of honour of 8 miles gives him another 23 or so to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 04 January, 2016, 06:40:42 pm
Just imagine how great this must feel for the two of them after such a long journey. I never cease to be in awe of anyone who takes/took this on and sacrifices a year to it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 04 January, 2016, 06:49:05 pm
I currently have Kurt at 74815.7 miles at the end of 03/01/2016 , putting him 249.3 behind Tommy's 75065 miles.  See https://goo.gl/RBHtiS for details.

That's based on UMCA data to 08/12/2015, and Strava data since then. The UMCA has been losing about .2 of a mile a day for the Strava distances.

I'd be interested to see exactly where the difference is though.

A quick glance at: http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php shows:-

28/02 you have Kurt doing 215.8 miles, UMCA has him doing 178.2
11/03 you have 176.3, UMCA has 186.7
12/03 you have 169.3, UMCA has 170.5
13/03 you have 99.7, UMCA has 79.3

I'm sure there's more than those (I stopped as I wasn't going to check the entire thing).

P.S. Thanks for the hard work on that spreadsheet, it's very useful!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 04 January, 2016, 07:48:58 pm
He's paused - just having a routine break or is this to celebrate breaking the record?!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tewdric on 04 January, 2016, 08:05:29 pm
He has 4 miles to go....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Charlie Boy on 04 January, 2016, 08:24:39 pm
Steve has posted a comment on his facebook page congratulating Tarzan on taking the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tewdric on 04 January, 2016, 08:30:15 pm
Yup the tape breaking vid has just been posted on faceache.

Many congratulations Kurt and team!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 04 January, 2016, 08:32:56 pm
Indeed, many congratulations.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 04 January, 2016, 08:35:03 pm
So well done, Kurt! Congratulations.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 04 January, 2016, 08:36:44 pm
Congratulations Kurt and Alicia!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: MikeH on 04 January, 2016, 08:37:15 pm
Well done, Kurt! Congratulations.  You are a f***ing star.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StevieB on 04 January, 2016, 08:39:27 pm
It is a fitting gesture that Steve is the first to congratulate Kurt - only Steve knows....

Well done to Kurt and Alicia - they have had their share of setbacks but remained focused and positive - a great achievement!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 04 January, 2016, 08:41:32 pm
Absolutely tremendous achievement
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 04 January, 2016, 08:48:49 pm
Awesome sauce, well done Kurt and Alicia.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 04 January, 2016, 08:53:21 pm
Absolutely astounding.  I'm a bit lost for words at the mo, so just well done, enjoy the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 04 January, 2016, 08:54:02 pm
BUY THAT MAN A BEER!

fantastic achievement well done Kurt & Alicia

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Deano on 04 January, 2016, 08:54:40 pm
Well done, Kurt. Good effort, that.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 04 January, 2016, 08:55:28 pm
Not bad, I suppose.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rogerzilla on 04 January, 2016, 08:57:10 pm
Excellent.  A year ago, I thought anyone calling himself Tarzan must be a grade A nobber but no, he just seems to be another average Joe (and he's no spring chicken either).  Chapeau that man!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Aidan on 04 January, 2016, 09:14:38 pm
Astonishing achievement. Nice that he and Alicia broke the ribbon together. Seems fitting.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 04 January, 2016, 09:15:24 pm
Took his sweet old time didn't he, I mean a whole year and stopping to be wed - couldn't he get a cycling cleric? Rolls eyes.

Awesomesause \o/
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 04 January, 2016, 09:24:48 pm
I'm made up for Kurt and Alicia words don't really convey how happy I am.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nethypete on 04 January, 2016, 09:28:48 pm
Excellent.  A year ago, I thought anyone calling himself Tarzan must be a grade A nobber but no, he just seems to be another average Joe (and he's no spring chicken either).  Chapeau that man!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Byronius Maximus on 04 January, 2016, 09:39:14 pm
Mega respect. Well done Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 04 January, 2016, 09:41:39 pm
Yeah, get a proper job ya hippy!   ;)

Seriously.  Well done Kurt.  And well done Alicia too.  Serious commitment the both of you.

@Alicia.  Have you noticed that the women's record is currently being tilted at?   :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 04 January, 2016, 10:26:45 pm
Amazing stuff.
It's a million miles away from what I could ever do and what I would ever want to do at any moment in life.....but I can understand the enormity of the endeavour. Maybe.
And Kurt is 52. To those the south side of 50....that's inspirational. It really is.
It should also be an inspiration to those who are yet to accrue those years ;)
[Raises glass replete with XT 6]
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rabbit on 04 January, 2016, 10:55:59 pm
And Kurt is 52. To those the south side of 50....that's inspirational. It really is.

I agree, at 37 I feel ancient, and this is just an amazing inspiration.  Well done Kurt, well done Alicia and well done to all your friends and riders who have helped you out over the year.  But mostly well done Kurt, amazing amazing stuff. 

I think this is the best thing to happen to cycling in a very long time and you have set the bar very high!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: MrDrem on 04 January, 2016, 11:22:51 pm
A quick glance at: http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/spreadsheet.php

Thanks for that, I'd been using http://ultracycling.com/sections/records/data/hamr/official_results/ and Strava, but had obviously missed something somewhere.

I've done a full refresh of all of the data (still with the Official Results sheet), using the newly updated data (now running to 22/12/2015) and it's all come back into line.

Most of the spreadsheet is automated, the biggest pain is doing the initial setup for new riders. Now is where it all gets really interesting, as the automation should spin a load of bits over to Kurt's new record distance, which will keep growing for the next few days, so things like daily distances required will move daily, as will the idealised record riders distances. It's here that you realise that Tommy had none of the advantages of cheap computing power that we have now, which makes me appreciate things like this even more.

Congrats to Kurt (and Alicia) on getting this far, now things get interesting....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jochta on 05 January, 2016, 12:02:32 am
Incredible achievement and well deserved. Well done Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 05 January, 2016, 12:20:55 am
From Fb one hour ago:

"There is a NEW Highest Annual Mileage Record holder!!!! Tarzan is the HAM'R!!!!!!"

Well done that man!  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 05 January, 2016, 03:03:45 am
 The beast!  Allez.

Yacf gets a shoutout from fb.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 05 January, 2016, 08:03:55 am
Congrats.

Well done chap.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: T42 on 05 January, 2016, 08:28:39 am
Bloody marvellous!  Nice wee nod to us as well.

As someone on FB put it, now get back on the "§$%&/ bike, there are still 4 days to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 05 January, 2016, 08:32:14 am
The boy done good.

Amazing stuff and a huge chapeau to Kurt, and the incredible Alicia.

My mind still boggles at just what he has achieved.  Truly remarkable.

No slacking now though, get on it and get some more miles before, I hope, a long holiday!

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 05 January, 2016, 08:38:26 am
That's stunning! And the fact that he has only a handful of days to spare shows how tough this is.

Well done!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: postie on 05 January, 2016, 08:41:20 am
Amazing. Well done that man :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: BobScarle on 05 January, 2016, 08:41:52 am
Well done Kurt. Fantastic effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 05 January, 2016, 08:44:58 am
A mind-boggling achievement!

He looks in fine fettle too. I look worse than that after a lap or two of Richmond Park.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 January, 2016, 08:58:18 am
Well done Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jack_P on 05 January, 2016, 09:07:38 am
well done Kurt truly staggering achievement.

He has an impressive collection of event jerseys, I hope someone has or will give him one to proudly display that Tarzan is the HAMR holder.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 05 January, 2016, 09:13:43 am
Well done that man!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: The Retiree on 05 January, 2016, 09:16:43 am
Well done Kurt huge respect for your efforts!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 05 January, 2016, 09:27:11 am
Great stuff - well done Kurt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 05 January, 2016, 09:32:12 am
Chapeau Kurt! and top work from Alicia too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Goldcrank on 05 January, 2016, 10:44:20 am
Congratulations to Kurt and  Alicia.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 05 January, 2016, 10:57:31 am
nice to see YACF get a mention

(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y394/dansipods2/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-05%20at%2010.59.26_zpsjyvgtq1m.png) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/dansipods2/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-05%20at%2010.59.26_zpsjyvgtq1m.png.html)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 05 January, 2016, 10:57:46 am
Just Amazing. Well Done Kurt, Alicia and all involved, it's been an incredible journey to follow.

I'm going to do my own little celebration to a suitable tune HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo) HAM'R Time!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 05 January, 2016, 11:40:36 am
It's wonderful that Kurt has achieved this.  He deserves all the acclaim that comes his way.

I count myself as a keen club cyclist who specialises in endurance events, but I am not even in the same library as Kurt, let alone the same page.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 05 January, 2016, 11:55:23 am
Congratulations to the both of you.  VERY WELL DONE.


Now get back on the bike and lift the total a bit further.      But not too far.   
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: tedshred on 05 January, 2016, 11:57:01 am
nice to see YACF get a mention


Were they referring to anything in particular ?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 05 January, 2016, 12:10:47 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: drgannet on 05 January, 2016, 12:19:43 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF

Did I miss that on here somewhere?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Shreds on 05 January, 2016, 12:21:45 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF


 :thumbsup:

And congrats again to Kurt and Alicia, what a great team!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 05 January, 2016, 12:24:18 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF

Yeah, and just to make sure Kurt knew who to thank, he got his name put up in lights behind it too.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Si S on 05 January, 2016, 12:26:38 pm
What a truly phenomenal achievement. Chapeau  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 05 January, 2016, 12:41:49 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF

Yeah, and just to make sure Kurt knew who to thank, he got his name put up in lights behind it too.

Well if its good enough for Liz R
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 05 January, 2016, 12:58:40 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF

Yeah, and just to make sure Kurt knew who to thank, he got his name put up in lights behind it too.

People here will take you seriously ....

It was just a small, low-key thing done in the collective yacf sense
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 05 January, 2016, 01:04:05 pm
Ham organised the celebratory cake and a drink behind the bar on behalf of YACF

Yeah, and just to make sure Kurt knew who to thank, he got his name put up in lights behind it too.

People here will take you seriously ....
Nice one HAM  :thumbsup:
It was just a small, low-key thing done in the collective yacf sense
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 05 January, 2016, 04:04:53 pm
Out doing flatwood loops again.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 05 January, 2016, 10:13:55 pm
So impressed! Brilliant job, well done Kurt and Alicia!

And Ham, that was such a nice thing to do. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 05 January, 2016, 10:17:34 pm
Nice piece from Bicycling Mag- http://www.bicycling.com/rides/people/kurt-searvogel-breaks-the-year-mileage-record?cid=soc_BICYCLING%20magazine%20-%20bicyclingmag_FBPAGE_Bicycling__ (http://www.bicycling.com/rides/people/kurt-searvogel-breaks-the-year-mileage-record?cid=soc_BICYCLING%20magazine%20-%20bicyclingmag_FBPAGE_Bicycling__)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: blackburnrod on 05 January, 2016, 10:46:44 pm
The local version

 http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/1/4/arkansas_cyclist_bre.html
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 05 January, 2016, 11:40:39 pm
Really good articles, the trails and tribulations that went on, on the way to achieving the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 January, 2016, 12:06:08 am
He posted 269.9km. That's about 168 miles. Will he get to 76000?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 06 January, 2016, 12:18:42 am
He posted 269.9km. That's about 168 miles. Will he get to 76000?

IIRC on one of his vids he does say that Alicia wanted him to get to 76 and something thousand miles so I presume so.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 06 January, 2016, 09:14:33 am
He posted 269.9km. That's about 168 miles. Will he get to 76000?

IIRC on one of his vids he does say that Alicia wanted him to get to 76 and something thousand miles so I presume so.


That was 76,543.21 ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 06 January, 2016, 09:23:30 am
So, does Kurt's time run out at midnight on 10/1/16 or does he have until 5:11am to keep clocking up miles?  Have the last few days of relatively low mileage been a lull before an all-out effort to the end?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 06 January, 2016, 09:37:01 am
The UMCA HAMR rules (https://ultracycling.com/sections/records/max-mileage.php) don't make it clear but I would guess that since he would have had to have nominated a start date then each day will be midnight to midnight (local time).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jack_P on 06 January, 2016, 10:33:54 am
Really good article from Bicycling magazine on Kurt, and the final days

http://www.bicycling.com/rides/people/kurt-searvogel-breaks-the-year-mileage-record

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 06 January, 2016, 12:57:40 pm
Really good article from Bicycling magazine on Kurt, and the final days

http://www.bicycling.com/rides/people/kurt-searvogel-breaks-the-year-mileage-record
Thanks for the link, thats very interesting.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 06 January, 2016, 01:01:40 pm
FWIW, it's the same link that Jacamo posted 10 posts ago yesterday evening. (Albeit Jacamo's link had some extra fluff on the end of it but it's the same article.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 06 January, 2016, 01:19:49 pm
The UMCA HAMR rules (https://ultracycling.com/sections/records/max-mileage.php) don't make it clear but I would guess that since he would have had to have nominated a start date then each day will be midnight to midnight (local time).
Yeah, Rule 22 suggests that it runs until midnight.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 06 January, 2016, 01:38:24 pm
Ah yes, didn't spot that bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 06 January, 2016, 04:19:10 pm
Ah yes, didn't spot that bit.

but he'll have finished a 300k BRM by about 1600hrs (actually 1700 if they apply the 30k maximum)

I see Alicia's let him out of the playpen, heading S at a rate of knots
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 06 January, 2016, 04:37:14 pm
But it's the one day that he won't have to worry about getting up and riding the next day, so he can finish the 300k Brevet and happily bury himself until midnight. Or he could pack it in at any point now and still be the new record holder. That's a big test of resolve right there.

One thing that will be interesting is how he winds down from the challenge. Going from 200+ miles per day to nothing won't be good for the body, he'll need to do some miles (or some other exercise) although I don't think anyone knows exactly how much and for how long.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 06 January, 2016, 04:43:20 pm
Maybe Alicia will do a runner back to Little Rock with the RV  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 06 January, 2016, 04:46:09 pm
Quote
While Kurt tried to remain focused on riding, Alicia bore the brunt of the stress. Her teeth cracked from nighttime grinding, and her hair began to fall out.

The article implies that at least some of that stress emanated from here
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 06 January, 2016, 05:00:44 pm
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While Kurt tried to remain focused on riding, Alicia bore the brunt of the stress. Her teeth cracked from nighttime grinding, and her hair began to fall out.

The article implies that at least some of that stress emanated from here
Justin!

What did you say to the poor woman?   :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 06 January, 2016, 05:32:57 pm
Quote
While Kurt tried to remain focused on riding, Alicia bore the brunt of the stress. Her teeth cracked from nighttime grinding, and her hair began to fall out.

The article implies that at least some of that stress emanated from here

He was getting a lot of shit thrown at him from UK Strava users, and some here moaned about his flatter routes and long tailwind days. I found the use of a recumbent difficult to accept at the start, but soon came round.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 06 January, 2016, 05:50:10 pm
Quote
While Kurt tried to remain focused on riding, Alicia bore the brunt of the stress. Her teeth cracked from nighttime grinding, and her hair began to fall out.

The article implies that at least some of that stress emanated from here

He was getting a lot of shit thrown at him from UK Strava users, and some here moaned about his flatter routes and long tailwind days. I found the use of a recumbent difficult to accept at the start, but soon came round.

I came around pretty quick when I realised Steve had a hand in setting up the rules, and was happy to condone their use.

Some people are so stupid as to believe it's always been a British record from the outset.
I can't stand that anti-USA bile.
Still. All that's history now anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 06 January, 2016, 05:53:22 pm
Quote
While Kurt tried to remain focused on riding, Alicia bore the brunt of the stress. Her teeth cracked from nighttime grinding, and her hair began to fall out.

The article implies that at least some of that stress emanated from here

He was getting a lot of shit thrown at him from UK Strava users, and some here moaned about his flatter routes and long tailwind days. I found the use of a recumbent difficult to accept at the start, but soon came round.

I came around pretty quick when I realised Steve had a hand in setting up the rules, and was happy to condone their use.

Some people are so stupid as to believe it's always been a British record from the outset.
I can't stand that anti-USA bile.
Still. All that's history now anyway.

That was one of the things that brought me round too - also the insight into his character and what he was going through by following his daily exploits on facebook.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Tomsk on 06 January, 2016, 06:12:18 pm
                        Just caught up with this...Well Done Kurt and Alicia!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 January, 2016, 07:38:49 pm
I see the hamster has escaped and has ridden to Port Charlotte.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Nethypete on 06 January, 2016, 08:15:19 pm
I found the use of a recumbent difficult to accept at the start, but soon came round.

Good to see some sense blowing into the Western Isles  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 06 January, 2016, 09:18:55 pm
I found the use of a recumbent difficult to accept at the start, but soon came round.

Good to see some sense blowing into the Western Isles  ;D

Stand sideways on to the wind for long enough in Stornoway and it will blow the crap out when it goes in thro' one and out thro' t'other ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 06 January, 2016, 11:13:19 pm
I came across this article in Cycling Weekly via Twitter, which I've since retweeted, but there may be some yacf posters who should read the article as well.

Comment: Why I [Nigel Wynn] think Kurt Searvogel’s annual cycling record deserves our respect (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/comment-why-i-think-kurt-searvogels-annual-cycling-record-deserves-our-respect-205758)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 06 January, 2016, 11:23:02 pm
I came across this article in Cycling Weekly via Twitter, which I've since retweeted, but there may be some yacf posters who should read the article as well.

Comment: Why I [Nigel Wynn] think Kurt Searvogel’s annual cycling record deserves our respect (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/comment-why-i-think-kurt-searvogels-annual-cycling-record-deserves-our-respect-205758)

And there's a bit of mouth breathing going on in the comments section there too ...

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Freya on 06 January, 2016, 11:23:19 pm
Reading the comments to that article. There really are some sad, mean spirited bastards on the Internet.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 06 January, 2016, 11:25:30 pm
The article is a classic case of never read the bottom half of the internet.

There are some very sad, bitter folk out there.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 06 January, 2016, 11:29:49 pm
To be fair it seems to be mainly one single "mean spirited bastard", but that's one too many.  They can grumble all they like - no-one who's followed the challenge can deny Kurt's achievement.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 06 January, 2016, 11:38:24 pm

It is remarkable that someone can say 200+ miles a day don't count because he rode most of it downhill with a tailwind. Of course that makes it easier but I'd like to see the trolls posting that try and do it even once, let alone 365 times.

I remember the time I ECE'd a 100 into a 200, and the 50k ride home was probably the fastest 50k I ever rode under Audax conditions. There were times when 20mph was all but effortless because of the tailwind and the slight gradient. Even if I could have retained the tailwind and the gradient I wouldn't have wanted to try and sustain that for 10 hours at a time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 06 January, 2016, 11:56:35 pm
A bunch of knobheads, and TBH the very nature and title of the article offends me. Why does one need to put forward their opinion on why Kurt's record should be respected? The very nature of this achievement should automatically come with a massive dose of respect and acknowledgement. It would have been better if the article had been, ''Why all you lot who resent Kurt's HAMR record should f*** off or even better try an attempt yourself.''

I love the cherry picking in the comments as well. To compare LFL you should look at the amount of miles Godwin rode from the 10/01/39-09/01/40 to accurately compare it to Kurt's total. Not to mention - that there is no mention - of all the help that Tommy had regarding pacing and what not.

Looking at his Summer milage as well I'm failing to comprehend how Tommy banged out that sort of milage day after day. Or it could have been that he was a superb athlete. As is Kurt, Steve et al.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 07 January, 2016, 12:07:12 am
As CF succinctly argues in his book, there's no way that anyone can recreate the 1939 environment (roads, weather, etc) that Tommy set his record in, so why bother claim that it is unfair to challenge it in 2015 with 2015 technology? The same can be argued about Godwin's 1939 record as he (Godwin in 1939) had many benefits that weren't available to the previous holders of the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 07 January, 2016, 12:23:11 am
TBH the very nature and title of the article offends me. Why does one need to put forward their opinion on why Kurt's record should be respected?

Well, fairly obviously, because it fills a column, but I think it's a legitimate question in any case.

Granted, I think it's got a fairly simple answer ...
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Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 07 January, 2016, 07:10:47 am
1% of the population give him big congratulations. 0.5% complain he’s cheated somehow. 98.5% done care.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 07 January, 2016, 08:29:50 am
The article is a classic case of never read the bottom half of the internet.

There are some very sad, bitter folk out there.
+1 couldnt agree more  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 07 January, 2016, 08:44:19 am
In this case I think it is one of not reading the top half of the internet too. Kurt and Alicia's achievement and dedication should rightly be celebrated, but responding to a succession of straw men in the form of trolling armchair experts is unnecessary. Take any theme you like and it will be "questioned on social media". There will be Adam Days wherever you look, but there are not many of them and the volume of their shouting is way higher than the respect their positions deserve.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 07 January, 2016, 08:55:23 am
I've been looking around at the news coverage for Kurt (basically Google news search) and it is interesting to note that apart from the US media (mostly local) and the cycling press, it is Germany that has most stories on him.

My fave headline - https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/blogs/sport/Kurt-Searvogel-ein-Hamster-auf-zwei-Raedern;art145863,2914421 "Kurt Searvogel - A hamster on two wheels"
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: orraloon on 07 January, 2016, 09:04:29 am
Reading the comments to that article. There really are some sad, mean spirited bastards on the Internet.

To quote Bradley Wiggins TdF press conference 8/7/12... Ach you know the one I mean.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 07 January, 2016, 09:36:33 am
In my view the tragedy of the Year Record has always been the lack of recognition and reward for its endeavours. Without exception this happened to all riders throughout history and I sincerely hope the trend stops right here.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 07 January, 2016, 09:42:21 am
In my view the tragedy of the Year Record has always been the lack of recognition and reward for its endeavours. Without exception this happened to all riders throughout history and I sincerely hope the trend stops right here.
I think you are spot on there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: MikeH on 07 January, 2016, 10:37:02 am
200095 Views  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 07 January, 2016, 10:42:13 am
The article is a classic case of never read the bottom half of the internet.

There are some very sad, bitter folk out there.

Indeed there are.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 07 January, 2016, 10:48:03 am
My 'Steve-Bias' was such at the start that I didn't think Kurt could do it. I thought he was a racer with no concept of the day-in day-out slog required.

He's grown on me. How can anyone not be impressed by what they've achieved?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 07 January, 2016, 11:45:36 am
My 'Steve-Bias' was such at the start that I didn't think Kurt could do it. I thought he was a racer with no concept of the day-in day-out slog required.

He's grown on me. How can anyone not be impressed by what they've achieved?

'Dog in the Manger' comes to mind. A begrudging envy born of shortcomings. Kurt's got a a lot going for him, a business, enough time and money to take this on, his own hair, the love of a good woman.... The 'haters' want to use Tommy as a shield between their own self-loathing and those actually having a go. The actual meaning of 'Dog in the Manger' is interesting.

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All these authors follow Steinhöwel in interpreting the fable as an example of envy, but later on the dog's behaviour is seen as malicious, a reading made very clear in Roger L'Estrange's pithy version: 'A churlish envious Cur was gotten into a manger, and there lay growling and snarling to keep the Provender. The Dog eat none himself, and yet rather ventur’d the starving his own Carcase than he would suffer any Thing to be the better for’t. THE MORAL. Envy pretends to no other Happiness than what it derives from the Misery of other People, and will rather eat nothing itself than not to starve those that would.'[9] Samuel Croxall echoes L'Estrange's observation in Fables of Aesop and Others (1722). 'The stronger the passion is, the greater torment he endures; and subjects himself to a continual real pain, by only wishing ill to others.'[10] It is with this understanding that the idiom of 'a dog in a manger' is most often used currently. However, a recent study has noted that it seems to be falling out of use, in America at least, concluding that 'the majority of [respondents] do not know it or even recall ever having heard it'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_in_the_Manger

Moral tales are unfashionable, they're 'judgemental', in an age when self expression is paramount.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2016, 12:17:00 pm
I said Kurt should save the beers until after 365 days are up. It does look like he's switched off a bit now that it's in the bag. "Only" 160-odd miles yesterday.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 January, 2016, 12:25:45 pm
Should this board be renamed "2016 Kurt Searvogel Record Attempt"?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 07 January, 2016, 04:50:35 pm
Today Tarzan has done 91 miles in around 4h30 according to the tracker. That's quite impressive at this stage.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 07 January, 2016, 06:00:10 pm
I said Kurt should save the beers until after 365 days are up. It does look like he's switched off a bit now that it's in the bag. "Only" 160-odd miles yesterday.

Someone commented earlier that he'll need to wind down rather than totally stop riding. Maybe he's already started the winding down process?

Can't begin to imagine how he's feeling right now, but he must have mixed emotions at the prospect of getting out of bed and going out on the bike when he wakes up in the morning.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 07 January, 2016, 06:20:16 pm
I said Kurt should save the beers until after 365 days are up. It does look like he's switched off a bit now that it's in the bag. "Only" 160-odd miles yesterday.


Can't begin to imagine how he's feeling right now, but he must have mixed emotions at the prospect of getting out of bed and going out on the bike when he wakes up in the morning.

I'm sure that Bruce Berkeley's strong start provides him with a little extra motivation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 07 January, 2016, 08:30:51 pm
There's something satisfying about the symmetry of Kurt's south-north-south routing.  He's back riding the Keys today - last time he was here was 10 months ago.  One can only imagine what thoughts he had in those early days, and how different things must feel now riding those same roads.  It must seem a lifetime away.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 07 January, 2016, 09:43:39 pm
I wonder if he would pop over in this thread after he finished his year. That would certainly be interesting.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 07 January, 2016, 10:00:13 pm
I wonder if he would pop over in this thread after he finished his year. That would certainly be interesting.

This thread? Are you kidding? It's 128 pages in duration......that's a moving average of about a page every three days  to get the record.
I'm not sure he could cover that amount of ground that quickly if he was really paying attention to the nuances of the traffic on the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 January, 2016, 10:21:41 pm
He'd be better off coming over here to see us and go for a ride. Probably take less time.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 07 January, 2016, 10:31:30 pm
That is planned.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 07 January, 2016, 10:37:22 pm
That is planned.

I hope so! he should be on the cover of Feb's Arrivee (doing his last 300k to seal the record)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: canny colin on 07 January, 2016, 11:07:03 pm

I hope so! he should be on the cover of Feb's Arrivee (doing his last 300k to seal the record)
 Quote > martin
And riding along side Alicia. Congratulations to you both  a wonderfull Achievement .
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 07 January, 2016, 11:52:02 pm
Hey, Kurt's back on the road again. Great, I can follow him  (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@24.6743221,-81.2423946,3a,75y,236.95h,70.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRTxgzQNpWWcwr7VV_brJWg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)again for the final few miles. And why wouldn't you.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 January, 2016, 12:00:29 am
Another big day today. The tracker says 207 miles, and his route has been mostly made up of straight lines, so I doubt if that's too far below his final total, but he doesn't seem to have stopped yet! He is entering his penultimate day. Will he have a final flourish?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 January, 2016, 01:31:25 pm
My 'Steve-Bias' was such at the start that I didn't think Kurt could do it. I thought he was a racer with no concept of the day-in day-out slog required.

He's grown on me. How can anyone not be impressed by what they've achieved?
Exactly what I thought.

It is very much a 'they' as well. Alicia deserves a record of her own. We all know how foul (smelly and grumpy) exhausted riders are. A whole year of supporting someone through this is really quite something.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 08 January, 2016, 02:24:31 pm
What on earth must it be like to finish something like this, particularly as regards to eating?
I know after PBP I normally eat for a week before surplus mode comes about.
Kurt's body's got so accustomed to burning so many calories every day, I can imagine the appetite after burn could be quite enormous when a rider stops, and could take some controlling!

And as for all the sitting around all day 'not doing anything' might feel a bit strange too to begin with. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 08 January, 2016, 02:33:11 pm
Nothing to do?  There's the interviews, wind down to control, family to reaqaint oneself with, honeymoon to plan and go on, catch up with what the world been up to for a year and then get back into the important business of running his business while at the same time planning Alicia's crack at HAMR.

(go on K&A, you know you want to ;D)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 January, 2016, 03:33:39 pm
Kurt's heading back up the Keys to the mainland. I realise it probably isn't the nicest road for cycling and yet I still have this urge, having watched Kurt's tracker, to ride down to Key West.  It's gotta be better than riding around Suffolk at this time of year:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/936586_1690009067907466_6531131920316750053_n.jpg?oh=b6864779c913c1a2cdd58b829e895552&oe=5705DED6) (https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12494652_1690009054574134_2498172814292227048_n.jpg?oh=74228903109ddd29c6a91b79f03fc57d&oe=57489D98)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 08 January, 2016, 05:48:35 pm
92 miles in the tracker, wonder if he'll get all the way up to the start of the 300 tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 08 January, 2016, 08:15:33 pm
He's really motoring!  140 miles in 8 hours including stops.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 January, 2016, 08:30:07 pm
He's really motoring!  140 miles in 8 hours.

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#48959 on 08:16:36 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (8 minutes ago) 1.74 mi traveled at 21.0 mph
#48958 on 08:11:38 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (13 minutes ago) 1.70 mi traveled at 20.4 mph
#48957 on 08:06:39 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (18 minutes ago) 1.78 mi traveled at 21.6 mph
#48956 on 08:01:41 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (23 minutes ago) 1.79 mi traveled at 21.5 mph
#48955 on 07:56:41 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (28 minutes ago) 1.23 mi traveled at 14.7 mph
#48954 on 07:51:41 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (33 minutes ago) 2.13 mi traveled at 26.3 mph
#48953 on 07:46:49 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (38 minutes ago) 1.78 mi traveled at 21.6 mph
#48952 on 07:41:52 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (43 minutes ago) 1.42 mi traveled at 17.3 mph
#48951 on 07:36:55 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (48 minutes ago) 1.71 mi traveled at 20.7 mph
#48950 on 07:31:58 PM (GMT) 01/08/16 (53 minutes ago) 1.70 mi traveled at 20.4 mph
Isn't he? That makes for very impressive reading.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 08 January, 2016, 08:31:24 pm
Emptying the tank I reckon
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 08 January, 2016, 09:09:42 pm
Emptying the tank I reckon

Today's pace is roughly what he's done all year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 08 January, 2016, 09:27:23 pm
Emptying the tank I reckon

Today's pace is roughly what he's done all year.

If there was ever any uncertainty at all about Tommy Godwin rode the miles, there is no such uncertainty as far as Kurt is concerned - we've all had a good view of exactly how he got the record. Bruce also looks like a fast cyclist too.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 08 January, 2016, 09:36:27 pm
ahh ok
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 08 January, 2016, 09:54:28 pm
If you were in Kurt's saddle, with mission accomplished in some style, what would you do with your last day?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 08 January, 2016, 10:00:38 pm
If you were in Kurt's saddle, with mission accomplished in some style, what would you do with your last day?

Hasn't a 300km audax been mentioned for the last day?

Although if he does chose to empty the tank, it could be 300 miles rather than kilometres.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: andrew531 on 08 January, 2016, 10:34:38 pm
Well done Kurt!!!Hope 9/1/16 is a big one. No words could really describe just how hard 365 days in the saddle could have been!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 08 January, 2016, 11:14:59 pm
If you were in Kurt's saddle, with mission accomplished in some style, what would you do with your last day?

First off I'd want to crack 76000 miles as promised, and then in no particular order:-

Smoke a cigar

Have a drink

Have sex with my wife

Have a McDonalds

Try for a moment of quiet reflection

Look at myself in the mirror, nod my head and say 'well done, you done it.'

Make sure the Merc is dieseled up for the drive back to Arkansas in the morning.

Go to bed, sleep and not have to worry about the alarm waking me up in the morning and for me to go on yet another 200+ mile bike ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 09 January, 2016, 05:42:45 am
The possible reality:

Checking Strava every day to see how Bruce and Steve are doing
Realising the number of people you've lost touch with and starting to build bridges with them
Feeling guilty for not riding as much but not being motivated to do anything about it
Dealing with aches and fatigue that were accepted during the challenge but get in the way of real life.

Welcome to the decompression chamber...

Enough Gloom. I'd love to shake Kurt's hand and wish him well. I greatly respect him and his achievement.  Or would it be a high 5 or fist bump, given he's a Leftpondian.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 09 January, 2016, 12:31:28 pm
So he's away. Tracker fires up for the last time for Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 January, 2016, 12:54:36 pm
Scene: a hotel room in Florida, tomorrow morning afternoon.

Alicia: I've got a great idea for a honeymoon!
Kurt: O RLY?
Alicia: Let's go cycle-touring!  (Pause). In England!
Kurt: ["Censored because this is the ruined-for-TV version" - Ed.]

(KURT disappears into the bathroom with a bottle of JD and a determined expression)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 09 January, 2016, 12:56:55 pm
from Facebook

Quote
76,066 OR BUST!!!! Tarzan needs to ride 223 miles to up the record by 1,000 miles. I'm PUSHING HIM to do it. He him-haws that 76,000 is good enough. No! He's done but he's not done. I'm not riding in the brevet so he can ride from Jupiter to St Augustine. This is it. 223 MILES TODAY!!!! ~ "The Whip" aka Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Freya on 09 January, 2016, 01:11:00 pm
Must admit I am slightly surprised that he has eased off after getting the record. Not that he hasn't earned the right to do what he wants, but I would have thought he would want to set as tough a challenge as possible to other contenders.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 09 January, 2016, 01:14:32 pm
*stands by the virtual roadside applauding*
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 09 January, 2016, 01:16:56 pm
I too was slightly surprised given how driven Kurt and Alicia appear to be. Perhaps we underestimate how close to the edge both physically and mentally riders have to go to have a chance at the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 09 January, 2016, 01:34:05 pm
Perhaps we underestimate how close to the edge both physically and mentally riders have to go to have a chance at the record.

Indeed.

Easy for we armchair enthusiasts to pontificate. Meanwhile, those riders are doing amazing things we can only wonder at.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 09 January, 2016, 01:45:36 pm
I too was slightly surprised given how driven Kurt and Alicia appear to be. Perhaps we underestimate how close to the edge both physically and mentally riders have to go to have a chance at the record.

Looks like the drive's back for today - and as usual it's Alicia doing the driving. Her influence on this effort is astonishing; as a team effort this has to be one of the best I've ever seen. Incredibly well done by both of them!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 09 January, 2016, 01:49:38 pm
I too was slightly surprised given how driven Kurt and Alicia appear to be. Perhaps we underestimate how close to the edge both physically and mentally riders have to go to have a chance at the record.

Or perhaps we misunderstand the nature of their drive?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 09 January, 2016, 02:00:15 pm
Perhaps we underestimate how close to the edge both physically and mentally riders have to go to have a chance at the record.

Indeed.

Easy for we armchair enthusiasts to pontificate. Meanwhile, those riders are doing amazing things we can only wonder at.

When this all started rolling in 2014 it was (and still is) a mind boggling challenge taken up by some bloke in the US, with an unlikely name,  who seemed to have thought "Yeah, I reckon I'll have a go at that".

Fascinating to follow and I am really excited for him, now that he has broken the record and aghast at the commitment Alicia has given to the challenge.

Well done, both of you.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 09 January, 2016, 02:10:07 pm
So he's away. Tracker fires up for the last time for Kurt.

Wooo!!

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sio2111 on 09 January, 2016, 02:49:32 pm
All the best to Kurt and Alicia for their last day of HAM'R. They've been an excellent team and it has been fun following their exploits. Chapeau for being so audacious! I hope you now get to enjoy some rest and celebrate your monumental achievements.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 09 January, 2016, 02:56:40 pm
*joins Basil at roadside*

*gets carried away with cowbells and foam fingers*

*more applause*

*some jumping up & down*

*looks around embarrassed, comes over all British, sits on folding chair clapping genteel-ly*

Jolly good show, Kurt & Alicia.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 09 January, 2016, 03:15:05 pm
*grabs cowbells and foam fingers*

Continues making a fool of myself, because I'm not British :)

*Thinks, he is taking his jolly time with this, are we on the right road side, have we missed it*

*time to go to the pub*

*hurrah, jolly well done ... mines an ale*
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 09 January, 2016, 04:19:39 pm
I've had a brilliant time following, via Facebook & SPOT, Kurt's year. The videos have allowed me to get an idea of what he's experiencing and my geography of the USA has undoubted improved, especially Florida! It's been a hell of a team effort and I'm so happy they've broken the record. I hope he manages the distance today so he ups the record by 1,000 miles. I wonder how many miles the van has done this year?

I'll now await the final total and the book Alicia hinted at in a Facebook post. Oh, and this photo is great:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12540805_1690350964539943_3072752296610018562_n.jpg?oh=e5f337f821177a836e6f2ddf6b65ac34&oe=570805B8)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 January, 2016, 04:21:04 pm
I"M not that surprised he has eased off. 75000 stood for 75 years. 76000 should, logically, stand for 76 years.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 09 January, 2016, 05:39:31 pm
I see Kurt's been bombing up the west coast road past Indian Palm Beach, South Beach etc towards Cap[e Canaveral since I've been out today [so far]. Talk about a world apart from grinding it out in little Olde Rainy England. He's virtually been on the same long wide road all day. What a country it is. Amazing difference in scale.
Better be doing the miles today Boy, keep that whip away from your ass!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 09 January, 2016, 05:54:57 pm
I certainly don't blame him for easing off. He's had a big year :)

Any rider (especially a RAAM veteran) who REALLY cared about putting 1000miles onto the total would have spent a lot less time in bed over the last week.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 09 January, 2016, 06:06:43 pm
I certainly don't blame him for easing off. He's had a big year :)

Any rider (especially a RAAM veteran) who REALLY cared about putting 1000miles onto the total would have spent a lot less time in bed over the last week.

Plenty of time for Kurt to sleep.

He's done a hundred plus miles in six hours.

Same pace for the next six or seven hours will put the 1,000 miles on the record and see him finished by about 8pm local time.

Compare that with Steve, who is going to have to ride past midnight to get 200+ miles.

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 09 January, 2016, 06:30:23 pm
He could have hit this target with a day to spare, or if you prefer, had a day of contingency (for illness/incident).
That's why I said "really cared"; in reality the priority was the Godwin record, anything on top was just gold-plating, and not worth really thrashing the horse(s) for.

(and that's got nothing to do with Steve.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 09 January, 2016, 06:36:44 pm

(and that's got nothing to do with Steve.)

I agree, a thousand miles either way for Kurt is irrelevant to Steve - more's the pity.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 09 January, 2016, 06:54:47 pm
In 1776– "American Revolution: United States Declaration of Independence. The United States officially declares independence from the British Empire."
Alicia


(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/949_1690406854534354_3272920116965115442_n.jpg?oh=a70e05610587e31ccd0813b870ac6b89&oe=573D8C11)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 January, 2016, 07:02:32 pm
Florida of course was purchased from the Spanish in the 1820s, Arkansas from the French in 1803. I do wonder if Kurt rode in any of the 13 Colonies, Georgia perhaps?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 09 January, 2016, 07:22:23 pm
What can we burn and put into a little casket? (not sausages Steve).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 09 January, 2016, 07:29:20 pm
Tea?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 09 January, 2016, 07:31:26 pm
A copy of unbreakable?  A drunk mopedist?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: bryn on 09 January, 2016, 09:10:31 pm
On this his last day, Kurt has already put in about 10 more miles today than Steve, despite starting later.  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 09 January, 2016, 09:28:11 pm
By an awful long way the wrong day to make that comparison IMO
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 09 January, 2016, 09:36:34 pm
By an awful long way the wrong day to make that comparison IMO

Well, he can't make the comparison tomorrow, so the opportunities for 'right day' comparisons are very limited.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 January, 2016, 09:52:33 pm
Florida of course was purchased from the Spanish in the 1820s, Arkansas from the French in 1803. I do wonder if Kurt rode in any of the 13 Colonies, Georgia perhaps?

Florida was BRITISH in 1776, coz we robbed it off the French and Spanish in 1763 after the Seven Years' War.  Unfortunately the Beastly Spaniards took advantage of our being otherwise engaged and nabbed it back around 1783. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 January, 2016, 10:12:31 pm


Florida was BRITISH in 1776,

And remained loyal.
Quote
Florida declined to send delegates to the Continental Congress. The majority of Floridians were Loyalists, grateful to the Crown, that remained loyal to Britain. Many actually helped lead raids on the American South. One disastrous attempt on the part of the American Forces to invade East Florida occurred in Nassau County. It was led on May 17, 1777. American Colonel John Baker surrendered to the British.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Florida#British_rule_.281763.E2.80.931783.29

The USA bought it off the Spaniards in return for renouncing all claims to Texas. Some complicated stuff ensued, involving the Alamo.

Anyway, congratulations to Kurt and Alicia on making it through the year. It takes effort to keep things going in the right direction over 365 days. It proves that it can still be done.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: La Tortue on 09 January, 2016, 10:21:15 pm
Florida of course was purchased from the Spanish in the 1820s, Arkansas from the French in 1803. I do wonder if Kurt rode in any of the 13 Colonies, Georgia perhaps?

Kurt never made it to Georgia or any of the original 13 Colonies. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 09 January, 2016, 10:45:11 pm
Under 50miles to go, cow bells cow bells allez allez ....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 09 January, 2016, 11:05:51 pm
Kurt started at about 7am local time and should have 230+ miles done before 9pm.

Steve started closer to 9am and looks to be heading for about 200 miles, but it will be past midnight by then.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 09 January, 2016, 11:08:21 pm
History in the making.  It's been an amazing year - thanks Team Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Vince on 10 January, 2016, 02:31:55 am
236 Ivan miles logged as of 5 minutes ago.

:Stands at the side of the road clapping whilst admiring the word 'TARZAN' painted in large letters on the road:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 10 January, 2016, 03:10:58 am
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12548962_10153799101472591_4486336360514441046_n.jpg?oh=51b4990db9a1a3aca8b47600298ac865&oe=57013E86)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 10 January, 2016, 03:31:42 am
Congratulations to Kurt, that's a fantastic year of resilience and drive. Neat to push on and do the extra 1,000 too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2016, 04:59:22 am
Yes, very good indeed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 10 January, 2016, 05:03:37 am
Florida of course was purchased from the Spanish in the 1820s, Arkansas from the French in 1803. I do wonder if Kurt rode in any of the 13 Colonies, Georgia perhaps?

It's the thought that counts.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 January, 2016, 06:21:16 am
Well done Kurt.  Nice memorable number too.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 10 January, 2016, 06:46:55 am
Very well done to the pair of you.   Now have a day off.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 10 January, 2016, 08:00:07 am
Congratulations Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 10 January, 2016, 08:52:05 am
Brilliant stuff. I'm so pleased for both of them. Chapeaux all round!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 10 January, 2016, 09:02:53 am
Well done Kurt!

Congratulations to them both for an excellent partnership.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Canardly on 10 January, 2016, 09:06:08 am
Wow what a result!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 10 January, 2016, 09:08:37 am
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: HTFB on 10 January, 2016, 09:23:03 am
Bloody awesome job.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 10 January, 2016, 09:40:13 am
Chapeau!

How the heck do you wind down after that?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hatler on 10 January, 2016, 09:47:50 am
This is even more beyond my comprehension. Well done. Amazing (in the truest sense of the word).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rabbit on 10 January, 2016, 09:51:35 am
I am so inspired after seeing Kurt hold it all together through the year, deal with injury, illness, negativity about his attempt and even not get distracted by romance with his new wife!  Helps of course that Alicia seems just as driven and was as involved with the record. 

I am really glad that Kurt cracked it, and, if wish him and Alicia the best for their return to normal life.....although, of course, it won't ever be truly normal after such a massive achievement

Will there be a book (I hope so!) ?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 10 January, 2016, 10:14:18 am
What a ride that was yesterday all up the west coast.
What an achievement, to keep motivation going day after day is quite something.
Gonna miss that tracker for a while.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 10 January, 2016, 10:19:37 am
A mind boggling achievement.

How on earth do you revert to Real Life after that?

Incredible.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 10 January, 2016, 10:41:18 am
As well as taking the record (and I do hope UMCA credit him with 76076 even if their calculations vary by a mile or two), Kurt is one of only three record holders to ride every day of the year (Ossie Nicholson in 1933 and Billie Dovey in 1938 being the other two).

I also hope that both Kurt and Alicia are remembered together for the record. We wouldn't be looking at a new record without the pair of them.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 10 January, 2016, 10:48:37 am
Bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 10 January, 2016, 10:53:16 am
And there was much rejoice.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 January, 2016, 10:54:31 am
Chapeau!

How the heck do you wind down after that?
Catch up with YACF?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 10 January, 2016, 10:56:57 am
Great stuff - congratulations to Kurt and Alicia  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 10 January, 2016, 11:30:40 am
As said above its a bloody mind boggling distance.  Chapeau to Kurt & Alicia  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 10 January, 2016, 11:53:21 am
I stayed up and followed the live tracker, I got to about 10 miles to go and had to go to sleep, but whilst looking at Kurts location i brought it up on Google earth and those Florida roads are flat and featuerless i really don't know how he kept it together.

I am really happy for Kurt and Alicia they really worked hard for that record.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 10 January, 2016, 11:58:59 am
Amazing achievement. Kurt is now officially among cycling's greats.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 10 January, 2016, 12:48:07 pm
As well as taking the record (and I do hope UMCA credit him with 76076 even if their calculations vary by a mile or two), Kurt is one of only three record holders to ride every day of the year (Ossie Nicholson in 1933 and Billie Dovey in 1938 being the other two).

I also hope that both Kurt and Alicia are remembered together for the record. We wouldn't be looking at a new record without the pair of them.
+1 to all that especially the part about Alicia.  16th of April was the day my support for Kurt became 100% and unshakable - such grit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 10 January, 2016, 01:44:09 pm
Quote
It appears that we finished this endeavor just in time. There is a cold front moving in that will hit tonight that will drop the temps down into the 30's. Today we are off to walk the beach and then check out history of st augustine before heading to Vite Bikes tomorrow to pick up a bent for Alicia. If she is going to go after the women's record she will need the right tool. Then it is back to Arkansas for work and to preperations.

Go Alicia :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 10 January, 2016, 02:53:01 pm
What a team. They are truly awe inspiring.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 10 January, 2016, 02:57:12 pm
I'd put money on them flipping places now, with Kurt supporting an Alicia attempt on the Women's record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Pale Rider on 10 January, 2016, 03:06:02 pm
I'd put money on them flipping places now, with Kurt supporting an Alicia attempt on the Women's record.

As posted elsewhere on here, that's already underway.

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/?fref=ts
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 10 January, 2016, 03:09:21 pm
I'd put money on them flipping places now, with Kurt supporting an Alicia attempt on the Women's record.

That would just be so extraordinary were she to succeed and for a husband and wife team to be both the record holders.
I'm wondering though, whether Kurt now needs to get his life back 'on track'.   ie earning some money.  That year has cost him a fortune. (I assume)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Citizenfish on 10 January, 2016, 03:26:55 pm
Not sure if it has been linked elsewhere, interview with Kurt and some British idiot here, text and audio format.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2016/01/09/hamr-year-record-godwin-searvogel
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Clemo on 10 January, 2016, 04:15:39 pm
Amazing so Alicia is going for the ladies record  ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 10 January, 2016, 04:46:30 pm
I'd put money on them flipping places now, with Kurt supporting an Alicia attempt on the Women's record.

That would just be so extraordinary were she to succeed and for a husband and wife team to be both the record holders.
I'm wondering though, whether Kurt now needs to get his life back 'on track'.   ie earning some money.  That year has cost him a fortune. (I assume)

A dollar a mile, he said somewhere. That's a fair bit! But, if the family business can stand it and his ex is supportive, then it would be great to see the roles reversed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 January, 2016, 05:43:25 pm

That would just be so extraordinary were she to succeed and for a husband and wife team to be both the record holders.


I interviewed Andy Wilkinson at the Mersey Roads in the summer, while he was marshalling at Tern Hill. He's been supporting his wife Jill in a bid to beat Beryl Burton's 12 Hour record, she's got within 20 minutes. Andy has held every CTT record over 50 miles at some time or other. I was mainly out to find out how he thought Steve was doing, but I also had the 100 mile times, so was able to update him on the contenders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pViF5OXHS0
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 10 January, 2016, 05:56:30 pm
Not sure if it has been linked elsewhere, interview with Kurt and some British idiot here, text and audio format.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2016/01/09/hamr-year-record-godwin-searvogel
Great stuff.
A comment of minority interest:
"
Kurt Searvogel did the undoable with five days to spare, which means he had most of this week to pad his record.
“A lot of my fans are like, ‘Ride, ride, ride! Make it really hard, make it impossible to break.” said Searvogel. “It’s like, ‘OK, whatever. When the weather’s nice, I’ll ride. When not, I’ll do something else. Like a sane person.'”
"

And I liked this:
At the end of the day, the hardest thing of this record is getting on the bike and turning the pedals.
– Dave Barter
;)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jack_P on 10 January, 2016, 06:02:08 pm
Amazing so Alicia is going for the ladies record  ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I personally think that's a bit of fun from Kurt, He would have to give up another year of work and competition, he couldn't get away with anything less than full support role reversals, don't think that's going to happen soon.

So from now on Kurt is out of our life, he will leave a big daily hole. I will definitely take more interest in USA ultracycling results in future to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 10 January, 2016, 06:13:40 pm
At the risk of going over ground well-trodden  on another thread ...

I doubt Alicia would need 365x24 support to beat 100mpd.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Martin on 10 January, 2016, 09:52:36 pm
Fantastic achievement Kurt; and thanks to the amazing Alicia without whom....
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2016, 09:34:14 pm
Just seen on Facebook that Kurt's dad died in his sleep last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 14 January, 2016, 09:35:28 pm
Just seen on Facebook that Kurt's dad died in his sleep last night.

Oh, that's crap news. Commiserations, Kurt. 2016 strikes again...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 14 January, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
...and he hadn't seen him for the whole year :(

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 14 January, 2016, 09:46:46 pm
I have not read the FB post so I don't know if he was ill, or it was sudden. But I hope that someone whispered in his ear that his son has made history.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 14 January, 2016, 09:48:41 pm
I saw a post earlier from a relative of Kurt's (sister?) with a photo of her standing beside an obviously old man and from the context I guess that he had died, but it wasn't clear who he was. Stroke, I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 14 January, 2016, 10:09:48 pm
That's so sad. Kurt, my thoughts are with you and your family.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Arry-R on 15 January, 2016, 08:40:59 pm
A mind boggling achievement.

How on earth do you revert to Real Life after that?

Incredible.

H
g




With a decent decent  beer or three! !
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 15 January, 2016, 08:44:47 pm
Just seen on Facebook that Kurt's dad died in his sleep last night.

That’s so sad.

My condolences to Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Chris S on 15 January, 2016, 08:44:55 pm
With a decent decent  beer or three! !

That's a good point. I couldn't be Kurt; doing all that, just to finish in time for Dry January  :hand:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 January, 2016, 08:51:16 pm
With a decent decent  beer or three! !

That's a good point. I couldn't be Kurt; doing all that, just to finish in time for Dry January  :hand:

Chris, if you did we would all excuse you January and allow you a dry February instead!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 19 January, 2016, 10:05:18 pm
Alicia's video of the last day makes good viewing, not just for the brief name check for Clarion

https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides/videos/1693567347551638/?theater
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 January, 2016, 11:00:57 pm
I enjoyed that, I heard a name-check for Andy Cox.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 20 January, 2016, 09:40:15 pm
To quote Alicia

Quote
I was going through my notes and came across something that is important for anyone trying to go after this record.
It was during the summer in Wisconsin when Kurt was battling a cough (not knowing it was asthma or an elevated diaphragm) and also his energy was depleting since he had run out of SPIZ (his main nutrition and fuel). We were getting up very early to drive west so that he could take advantage of the strong winds blowing towards Lake Michigan. After a few days of less and less sleep, he was becoming weak and the screws started coming loose and he wasn't himself. Kurt didn't recognize it, but I did. Insisting he let me take him to Urgent Care, making him rest and getting him the nutrition he needed was something I had to almost forcefully do. This happened only few times along our journey, but I know he would have been in bad shape if he wasn't immediately taken care of. That is just one of many reasons why a support crew is essential.
Also, there was a day in Florida where I had to be away from Kurt for a few hours getting bikes repaired and go grocery shopping. We lost contact since our cell phones were not working in the area. It was a miserably hot day and he was riding out on remote and unfamiliar rural roads. I knew he had to be out of food and water. Hours and hours passed. I couldn't find him. If it wasn't for the SPOT tracker finally picking him up, I don't know how I would have found him. He was broiled (not to mention mad) by the time I did find him. It was awful. He was literally out in the middle of nowhere. His saving grace was that he told me he was able to scavenge some oranges he found on the ground. "Oh ok, so you survived on wild oranges?" ~ Alicia
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: orraloon on 21 January, 2016, 07:07:12 pm
Right, numpty Q here.

The spreadsheet on the UMCA HAM'R site shows Kurt as achieving 76155.6 miles, more than the 76076 that was publicised.

What's the timeline on the process for validation, tick boxing on their numbers?  Still subject to review or is 76155 the new world record?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on 21 January, 2016, 07:21:32 pm
Right, numpty Q here.

The spreadsheet on the UMCA HAM'R site shows Kurt as achieving 76155.6 miles, more than the 76076 that was publicised.

What's the timeline on the process for validation, tick boxing on their numbers?  Still subject to review or is 76155 the new world record?

The spreadsheet only shows an automated grab from Strava, the files have not been verified as being unique or correct or anything else. Every few days the "official results" spreadsheet is updated with verified days riding. The current one dated for the 11th shows Kurt's rides up until the 4th Jan. Presumably the next update will be complete and confirm the "Official Record Distance".
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 21 January, 2016, 07:26:44 pm
remember that they've never verifiied a year record before, and it's a sh1tload of work! So we're all guessing at timescales.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: orraloon on 21 January, 2016, 07:32:03 pm
Ah thank you.  The 'other' spreadsheet, got it.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: SoreTween on 22 January, 2016, 11:07:41 am
Quotes from faceache:
Quote from: Alicia Searvogel
That's what I'm doing - writing the book!
Not quite sure what that was a response to but it seems pretty clear anyway.

Also
Quote from: Chris Guevara
Are you taking all your notes and videao and photos to a documentarian to make this adventure into a film?
1 · 20 January at 13:33
Quote from: Alicia Searvogel
In the process of writing the book and going through all the footage I took. We'll see!
3 · 20 January at 13:36
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Willesden guy on 22 January, 2016, 01:29:43 pm
Steve and Kurt have now had their rides officially recognised by HAMR. see http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240-14.html
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 22 January, 2016, 01:44:05 pm
That's good news.  And they make the point that Steve's record still stands as the age group record.

They get the handcycle bit wrong, mind ;D

So Steve was the UMCA overall record holder for a few minutes, if they were ratified at the same meeting.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 January, 2016, 01:49:17 pm
Well, he held the record for 9 days, since it took Kurt that extra time to finalise his distance for ratification.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 22 January, 2016, 01:55:04 pm
Has anyone updated Wikipedia yet? 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 22 January, 2016, 03:15:31 pm
Steve and Kurt have now had their rides officially recognised by HAMR. see http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240-14.html

Good news - and that's a very interesting conversation...!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 22 January, 2016, 07:24:04 pm
Guinness have approved Kurts record
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Legs on 22 January, 2016, 07:31:52 pm
Excellent news!  Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2016, 07:33:40 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 22 January, 2016, 07:39:51 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk about Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Probably....This is the interweb after all.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 22 January, 2016, 09:35:13 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Well, their rules are down in black and white! But I imagine Guinness were prepared to accept UMCA's assurance that everything was done properly, and that therefore there was no need to apply further conditions retrospectively.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 22 January, 2016, 09:42:18 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Well, their rules are down in black and white! But I imagine Guinness were prepared to accept UMCA's assurance that everything was done properly, and that therefore there was no need to apply further conditions retrospectively.

There's stuff on the VelocipedeSalon thread linked up there^^^ somewhere, a post from Drew Clark of the UMCA saying that they were talking to Guinness about UMCA records being recognised by the Big G.

One of the sticking points was, he said, that the UMCA wanted assurances that Guinness would not subsequently accept submissions of higher mileages which had not been independently verified.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: simonp on 22 January, 2016, 09:44:55 pm
Guinness have cycling records (unpaced) listed on their websites. Others without.

What does that suggest to you?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jacamo on 22 January, 2016, 09:56:00 pm
Tis official!

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/greatest-distance-cycled-in-a-year
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2016, 10:06:08 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Well, their rules are down in black and white! But I imagine Guinness were prepared to accept UMCA's assurance that everything was done properly, and that therefore there was no need to apply further conditions retrospectively.

There's stuff on the VelocipedeSalon thread linked up there^^^ somewhere, a post from Drew Clark of the UMCA saying that they were talking to Guinness about UMCA records being recognised by the Big G.

One of the sticking points was, he said, that the UMCA wanted assurances that Guinness would not subsequently accept submissions of higher mileages which had not been independently verified.

So Guinness Records are all a bag of bollox and money talks?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 22 January, 2016, 10:11:11 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Well, their rules are down in black and white! But I imagine Guinness were prepared to accept UMCA's assurance that everything was done properly, and that therefore there was no need to apply further conditions retrospectively.

There's stuff on the VelocipedeSalon thread linked up there^^^ somewhere, a post from Drew Clark of the UMCA saying that they were talking to Guinness about UMCA records being recognised by the Big G.

One of the sticking points was, he said, that the UMCA wanted assurances that Guinness would not subsequently accept submissions of higher mileages which had not been independently verified.

So Guinness Records are all a bag of bollox and money talks?

I doubt that UMCA have loadsamoney to throw at Guinness.   I think it's more to do with credibility; if Guinness don't recognise an obvious record, how can they claim to be a proper reference?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2016, 10:27:01 pm
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

So all this talk that Guinness would not ratify it because of pacing was crap then?

Well, their rules are down in black and white! But I imagine Guinness were prepared to accept UMCA's assurance that everything was done properly, and that therefore there was no need to apply further conditions retrospectively.

There's stuff on the VelocipedeSalon thread linked up there^^^ somewhere, a post from Drew Clark of the UMCA saying that they were talking to Guinness about UMCA records being recognised by the Big G.

One of the sticking points was, he said, that the UMCA wanted assurances that Guinness would not subsequently accept submissions of higher mileages which had not been independently verified.

So Guinness Records are all a bag of bollox and money talks?

I doubt that UMCA have loadsamoney to throw at Guinness.   I think it's more to do with credibility; if Guinness don't recognise an obvious record, how can they claim to be a proper reference?

'Money' was figurative speaking- The problem I have ismy perception of UMCA trying to get a stranglehold on the year record. Who ratifies the 7 day, month, round the world records? Why aren't they subjected to the same scrutiny UMCA are suggesting is needed for a year record?

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 22 January, 2016, 10:40:08 pm
Steve asked UMCA to be involved. 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2016, 10:46:48 pm
I understand that - but why does that have to be the future benchmark?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 22 January, 2016, 10:49:30 pm
I understand that - but why does that have to be the future benchmark?

Same hymn-sheet and all that I suppose.  If someone has created a record, you might want to have a go at that one rather than another vaguely similar.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 22 January, 2016, 10:50:08 pm
'Money' was figurative speaking- The problem I have ismy perception of UMCA trying to get a stranglehold on the year record. Who ratifies the 7 day, month, round the world records? Why aren't they subjected to the same scrutiny UMCA are suggesting is needed for a year record?

Guinness does, and they are scrutinised to (I assume) roughly the same degree.

AIUI you can get details of what evidence is required for a record ride from Guinness for free. Go off and do the ride. Then submit all of the paperwork, logs, witness details, videos, photos, etc and Guinness will eventually decide if it was valid or not. The more evidence you provide the better chance you have of it being accepted in full.

Bruce claims the Guinness week and month records but it looks like he was just pointing at uploads to Strava as his evidence. That may be why Guinness don't acknowledge his claim on the record.

If you want the record to be acknowledged faster you can pay Guinness and they'll oversee it more actively, but you still need all of the same evidence. They just keep reasonably up to date with the scrutinising. That's exactly what the UMCA do (which you have to pay for). The UMCA agreed to oversee the year effort because some of the Guinness rules weren't acceptable to people wanting to do the new challenge (no drafting, starting from where previously stopped, etc). Steve, Hoppo and a bunch of others were responsible for drafting the HAM'R rules with the UMCA.

Guinness are happy with the standard of scrutinising that the UMCA do, so they accept any records done under their oversight. Hence why Kurt is the new Guinness World Record holder. As Ian says, if they didn't then people would think Guinness are losing their edge.

They [Guinness] would probably look to accept a record overseen by any other entity that meets their standards of scrutiny. The UMCA have no more of a monopoly on the record than Guinness. Guinness just wants to keep its place as the most recognised brand.

They probably also realise that their rules (no drafting, etc) will preclude any men attempting the record with them, so it's an easy way for them to abandon that. I know Kajsa is going with Guinness, maybe she's happy with their rules and don't think they will limit her such that she can't set a new record.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 22 January, 2016, 10:55:12 pm
I understand that - but why does that have to be the future benchmark?

Same hymn-sheet and all that I suppose.  If someone has created a record, you might want to have a go at that one rather than another vaguely similar.

Aye, same hymn sheet  RRA, UMCA and whatever the antipodean, european equivalent is

edit: what I'm trying to say is  good on UMCA for getting Guinness approval as it brings it to the public domain, but why should UMCA be the  sole arbitrator of what is/isn't a year mileage record in the future.

edit 2: A nice logical reply Greenbank :)

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: red marley on 23 January, 2016, 05:34:01 pm
(http://gicentre.org/oytt/images/kurtYear.png)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 23 January, 2016, 05:35:35 pm
That is great.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mmmmartin on 23 January, 2016, 05:45:34 pm
it was a pretty close-run thing. he did well.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 23 January, 2016, 07:12:05 pm
Really captures the long, drawn out drama of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 January, 2016, 09:37:50 pm
Guinness have cycling records (unpaced) listed on their websites. Others without.

What does that suggest to you?

Hmm.  They have "Fastest speed in a human-powered vehicle (female)", but no corresponding male record, although I've seen it in the dead-tree version before.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 23 January, 2016, 10:04:21 pm
Hello YACFers!

Thank you for all the support you've given Kurt and I. What a year, huh. I wish I had the words to describe it in short, although, I believe Jo's graph does a good job from a different perspective (one I haven't seen yet even though I was in the thuck of it). All I can say is: it wasn't easy! No matter how you look at it, over 200 miles on ANY bike day after day after day after day after day after day, etc..... is not easy.

I would like to say something on behalf of the UMCA. It was a surprise to us that they approached Guinness. We are thrilled that they did. Kurt deserves this record title. There will always be controversy about the way this record is handled, that's the historic nature of this sport and the opinions of so many. What I do know is that UMCA was asked to become the officiating body. They are all volunteers who are ultra cyclists themselves, most are highly educated professionals. What I've experienced is that the UMCA is here to advance, support and organize a framework for ultracycling not monopolize it. Anyways, I have a great respect for them and the efforts that they go to for the love of their sport.

As we all know, this is not about fame and glory. It's about human ability and how far we can push it individually. The critics, haters, trolls and douchbags will always be out there, haha. It takes a lot to ride right through it. However, anyone who chooses to take this challenge on, be smart and make it count.

It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D



Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 23 January, 2016, 10:07:41 pm
...  All I can say is: it wasn't easy!  ...

No shit, Sherlock!

... and very, very well done.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 23 January, 2016, 10:13:18 pm
It's been impressive watching you both work through it, congratulations too.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 23 January, 2016, 10:17:21 pm
Hello YACFers!

Thank you for all the support you've given Kurt and I. What a year, huh. I wish I had the words to describe it in short, although, I believe Jo's graph does a good job from a different perspective (one I haven't seen yet even though I was in the thuck of it). All I can say is: it wasn't easy! No matter how you look at it, over 200 miles on ANY bike day after day after day after day after day after day, etc..... is not easy.

I would like to say something on behalf of the UMCA. It was a surprise to us that they approached Guinness. We are thrilled that they did. Kurt deserves this record title. There will always be controversy about the way this record is handled, that's the historic nature of this sport and the opinions of so many. What I do know is that UMCA was asked to become the officiating body. They are all volunteers who are ultra cyclists themselves, most are highly educated professionals. What I've experienced is that the UMCA is here to advance, support and organize a framework for ultracycling not monopolize it. Anyways, I have a great respect for them and the efforts that they go to for the love of their sport.

As we all know, this is not about fame and glory. It's about human ability and how far we can push it individually. The critics, haters, trolls and douchbags will always be out there, haha. It takes a lot to ride right through it. However, anyone who chooses to take this challenge on, be smart and make it count.

It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D

Wooo-eee <cue mad waving>

Hiya and welcome, oops, I've come over all celebrity dumbstruck.

Bloody good show, anyhow! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

ETA - is your forum name a clue to the Seekrit Weapon that got Kurt round?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: IanDG on 23 January, 2016, 10:25:56 pm
It's been great following the years events. Congratulations to you both  :thumbsup:

Great that UMCA got involved with the record and wonderful news that Guinness accepted it after all. Some reassuring words on UMCA's role in your post that allay my concerns.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Basil on 23 January, 2016, 10:36:56 pm
Hello YACFers!


Gosh. It's her herself.   :D

Many, many congratulations on this incredible achievement.  I don't pretend I can even begin to comprehend what Kurt went through.  There were times I thought his mood was so low that he'd not get through to the end.
Well done you, for rubbing the magic ointments into his mind.

Oh.  And welcome to yacf.  Please hang around a while.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 January, 2016, 10:48:45 pm
ETA - is your forum name a clue to the Seekrit Weapon that got Kurt round?

Paging Hummers1!  Hummers to the ACMETM Smut-O-Matic!

1:  Or Rogerzilla.  Or Zipperhead.  Or...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Jaded on 23 January, 2016, 10:56:00 pm
Welcome Voldemort  ;D

Seriously, you have both done an amazing thing, quite amazing!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: woollypigs on 23 January, 2016, 10:58:58 pm
Ah, the cracking whip :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 23 January, 2016, 11:01:28 pm
So, Kurt did get a few cracks of the Whip then!    ;)   :-[

Hearty congratulations to Kurt and yourself for a truly stratospheric achievement.   

If you guys ever find yourselves on the right side of the pond (as oppose to the left side of course  ;) ) there are many people here who would want to shake you both by the hand and eat your dust on a bike.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 January, 2016, 11:02:59 pm
Welcome, Whip! And thanks for all the entertainment! An amazing achievement by you both - well done!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 23 January, 2016, 11:27:46 pm
Love the username!

Great to hear from you and amazing, amazing, there were times, reading your reports, that I was scared for Kurt's health. I think you deserve some sort of world record yourself.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: zigzag on 23 January, 2016, 11:47:19 pm
a humble servant leader and most gracious supporter!

good to have you here Whip and thank you for taking us on such a wild journey.

blessings and happiness to you and Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 23 January, 2016, 11:57:32 pm
Hello YACFers!

Thank you for all the support you've given Kurt and I. What a year, huh. I wish I had the words to describe it in short, although, I believe Jo's graph does a good job from a different perspective (one I haven't seen yet even though I was in the thuck of it). All I can say is: it wasn't easy! No matter how you look at it, over 200 miles on ANY bike day after day after day after day after day after day, etc..... is not easy.

I would like to say something on behalf of the UMCA. It was a surprise to us that they approached Guinness. We are thrilled that they did. Kurt deserves this record title. There will always be controversy about the way this record is handled, that's the historic nature of this sport and the opinions of so many. What I do know is that UMCA was asked to become the officiating body. They are all volunteers who are ultra cyclists themselves, most are highly educated professionals. What I've experienced is that the UMCA is here to advance, support and organize a framework for ultracycling not monopolize it. Anyways, I have a great respect for them and the efforts that they go to for the love of their sport.

As we all know, this is not about fame and glory. It's about human ability and how far we can push it individually. The critics, haters, trolls and douchbags will always be out there, haha. It takes a lot to ride right through it. However, anyone who chooses to take this challenge on, be smart and make it count.

It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D


Hey, Alicia - welcome!


It's been brilliant watching you two throughout the year (Steve too), and we all really enjoyed your video reports. Take some time to look through Jo's visualisations - they really brought home the scale of the challenge and helped us appreciate what you all were going through.

It was a hell of a year for cycling; I doubt we'll see another like it for a while. But we have Kajsa and Bruce to keep an eye on, so we won't suffer too many withdrawal symptoms. Hope to see the pair of you over here sometime!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 24 January, 2016, 10:05:46 am
Welcome Whip   and thank you both.   saying anything else would be superfluous. Except to say may you both have long lives and happiness.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Von Broad on 24 January, 2016, 10:19:23 am
Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D

Well, Kurt couldn't have done it without you that's for sure.
What an achievement and what a cracking ride it was.
Take care.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: StuAff on 24 January, 2016, 10:44:22 am
Hello YACFers!

Thank you for all the support you've given Kurt and I. What a year, huh. I wish I had the words to describe it in short, although, I believe Jo's graph does a good job from a different perspective (one I haven't seen yet even though I was in the thuck of it). All I can say is: it wasn't easy! No matter how you look at it, over 200 miles on ANY bike day after day after day after day after day after day, etc..... is not easy.

I would like to say something on behalf of the UMCA. It was a surprise to us that they approached Guinness. We are thrilled that they did. Kurt deserves this record title. There will always be controversy about the way this record is handled, that's the historic nature of this sport and the opinions of so many. What I do know is that UMCA was asked to become the officiating body. They are all volunteers who are ultra cyclists themselves, most are highly educated professionals. What I've experienced is that the UMCA is here to advance, support and organize a framework for ultracycling not monopolize it. Anyways, I have a great respect for them and the efforts that they go to for the love of their sport.

As we all know, this is not about fame and glory. It's about human ability and how far we can push it individually. The critics, haters, trolls and douchbags will always be out there, haha. It takes a lot to ride right through it. However, anyone who chooses to take this challenge on, be smart and make it count.

It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D
Hello Alicia, and congratulations to you both. Having done a 223 mile day I certainly didn't feel like doing the same again right afterwards. Let alone a whole year of that. Awesome, awesome job.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 24 January, 2016, 11:40:21 am
I can't resist posting this.

http://youtu.be/j_QLzthSkfM

(Congratulations on your marriage btw.  I think that was one of the more heartwarming things this year, as it showed the strength of human relationships during a year that I imagine might have been "testing" from time to time.  I hope Kurt is enjoying his beer fund, and you are helping him enjoy it too!)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: L CC on 24 January, 2016, 12:26:05 pm
It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D

Wow! We're touched by the hand of glory!

Welcome, and thank you for the spectacle. It's been a heck of a year.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 January, 2016, 12:49:12 pm
The various threads are a fascinating resource.

What's needed to make sense of the whole online response is a master graphic plotting daily performance against the date.

That way anyone writing it up can easily dip into the various threads to see the response to the highs and lows of the whole event.

The most interesting bit to me is the slump  Kurt and Steve experienced in the middle of the year. That's when there was speculation about blood dilution and cardiac effects. If Bruce continues, it's the part of the experience that might be the most difficult to deal with on his own.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 24 January, 2016, 01:07:20 pm
Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D

Well, Kurt couldn't have done it without you that's for sure.
What an achievement and what a cracking ride it was.
Take care.

Absolutely.

You were as much a part of this record as Kurt and thank you for letting us be a part of it via FB etc.

Congratulations to you both and I hope you all the best for your future together.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 24 January, 2016, 01:21:09 pm
Hearty congratulations to both of you!

Thanks for being so kind as to pop in to say hello and put a few folk straight in the process of summing up that huge effort by Kurt and yourself.

A tip of the hat to you two and best wishes.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Justin(e) on 24 January, 2016, 04:03:22 pm
Hi Alicia,

Welcome.

I've known Steve for a while, and what the HAMR means to him.  As the challenge slowly grew from embryonic thoughts into a fully fledged endeavour, it got really exciting.

Then, at the start of the year, it seemed like there was going to be a nail biting challenge from a "new comer".  Someone from the New World.  From a one horse race, it turned into a competition.

Naturally I was "rooting" for Steve, but only in the cricketing sense (metaphors mixed).  I wanted both adversaries to do well.  Then when it became evident that 2015 was really only going to be Kurt's race, the audacity of your challenge meant that you and Kurt were the champions of long distance cycling. 

As everybody acknowledges, your effort was a joint one.  So congratulations to you both on a magnificent effort.

I've been one of those contributing to the debate about the where the mileage mark lies.  As you know, each HAMR attempt is an individual effort that contains trials and tribulations unique to it.  I hope you don't consider this trolling. 

I haven't seen all the communication you have received over the year, but I have seen an outpouring of respect.  I am really surprised that there have been "haters" aiming their barbs at you.  That must have been awful.

I wish you and Kurt all the best, and thank you for your contributions over the year.

Mighty congratulations on your year.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 24 January, 2016, 05:21:10 pm
Hi Whip,

I have an interest in diet and what Kurt had to eat on a daily basis. There was some funny YouTube pictures of Kurt eating junk food, but I for one always thought there was some keen eyed individual watching what he ate. Food for me was like sleep in an event that goes on all year. You have to get a cycle that works and can be sustained.

So any information on what he really ate? I for one would appreciate some info.

BB
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 January, 2016, 11:33:33 am
Hello YACFers!

Thank you for all the support you've given Kurt and I. What a year, huh. I wish I had the words to describe it in short, although, I believe Jo's graph does a good job from a different perspective (one I haven't seen yet even though I was in the thuck of it). All I can say is: it wasn't easy! No matter how you look at it, over 200 miles on ANY bike day after day after day after day after day after day, etc..... is not easy.

I would like to say something on behalf of the UMCA. It was a surprise to us that they approached Guinness. We are thrilled that they did. Kurt deserves this record title. There will always be controversy about the way this record is handled, that's the historic nature of this sport and the opinions of so many. What I do know is that UMCA was asked to become the officiating body. They are all volunteers who are ultra cyclists themselves, most are highly educated professionals. What I've experienced is that the UMCA is here to advance, support and organize a framework for ultracycling not monopolize it. Anyways, I have a great respect for them and the efforts that they go to for the love of their sport.

As we all know, this is not about fame and glory. It's about human ability and how far we can push it individually. The critics, haters, trolls and douchbags will always be out there, haha. It takes a lot to ride right through it. However, anyone who chooses to take this challenge on, be smart and make it count.

It's been fun and entertaining to read the comments. It's not difficult to spot the heart of the true endurance cyclists.

Ride on!
You-know-who  ;D


I've made this offer elsewhere - in case tex-HAM'R riders are missing the hills, any rider with a verified mileage of 60,000 or more in a calendar year can have free entry to the Cambrian Series Permanent events http://www.aukweb.net/perms/
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 29 January, 2016, 03:04:18 pm
"I have an interest in diet and what Kurt had to eat on a daily basis. There was some funny YouTube pictures of Kurt eating junk food, but I for one always thought there was some keen eyed individual watching what he ate."

Kurt ate dessert and fast food... according to the media. :o And, I'm guilty of having fun with showing him eating donuts and hamburgers too.

His main fuel on the bike was SPIZ meal replacement. Six to eight bottles a day, 500 calories each.
Two breakfasts, two lunches, pre dinner and then dinner. These were regular healthy average meals that most people eat. When we were on the road he did get more fast food for lunch and pre dinner. He snacked constantly. It's all about shoveling the calories and an iron gut. He was always eating and it was rare that he sat down to eat.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LMT on 29 January, 2016, 03:29:24 pm
"I have an interest in diet and what Kurt had to eat on a daily basis. There was some funny YouTube pictures of Kurt eating junk food, but I for one always thought there was some keen eyed individual watching what he ate."

Kurt ate dessert and fast food... according to the media. :o And, I'm guilty of having fun with showing him eating donuts and hamburgers too.

His main fuel on the bike was SPIZ meal replacement. Six to eight bottles a day, 500 calories each.
Two breakfasts, two lunches, pre dinner and then dinner. These were regular healthy average meals that most people eat. When we were on the road he did get more fast food for lunch and pre dinner. He snacked constantly. It's all about shoveling the calories and an iron gut. He was always eating and it was rare that he sat down to eat.

Indeed it is, from experience junk food whilst cycling is good if done in moderation. You know what you are getting and it's calorie dense so it's all good.

Many congrats on the record BTW, it was great watching the FB vids and I look forward to reading your future published memoirs...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2016, 05:12:21 pm
The junk food images fitted in with the stereotype that much of the world has about the American diet.  For example, a balanced meal meaning a burger in one hand and a large coke in the other.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 January, 2016, 05:18:29 pm
Like the stereotypical Audax UK food of beans on toast, possibly with a sausage or two, followed by rice pudding or cake. Simply not true, it's samosas now.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 29 January, 2016, 05:46:53 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:

Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ham on 29 January, 2016, 05:49:47 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jumxK15ZQ  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 January, 2016, 05:51:22 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:




Here seen in its natural habitat, note the other Randonneur tucking into 2 croissants with strawberry jam, clearly something of a metrosexual.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xDhqSauLWZY/VTzMLnc9j9I/AAAAAAAARv8/hgR2pf2xImU/s1600/IMG_1405.JPG)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Aidan on 29 January, 2016, 05:57:43 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:
Food of the gods!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 January, 2016, 05:59:03 pm
No that's Ambrosia! But Lidl own brand rice pudding is perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: hillbilly on 29 January, 2016, 06:29:15 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:
Food of the gods!!! :thumbsup:

The wind gods.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: marcusjb on 29 January, 2016, 06:58:29 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:

The two of you need to come over and ride a brevet here. I am sure you would receive the warmest of welcomes and a thorough education on the delights of beans of toast and the fried breakfast in general!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Hummers on 31 January, 2016, 07:37:41 pm
Beans on toast? :facepalm:

Do you and Kurt like beer?

I can help on that score.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Gareth Rees on 31 January, 2016, 08:24:44 pm
Here seen in its natural habitat, note the other Randonneur tucking into 2 croissants with strawberry jam, clearly something of a metrosexual.

Those were nice croissants, I'll have you know.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 January, 2016, 09:02:26 pm
Such a contrast to Steve's improved model diet. A sort of Desperate Dan meets Alf Tupper, Tough of the Track.
There's a couple of cultural references to baffle Alicia.

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/OGJDxNLPEj0PR2dpvjAgYrB1t6_oM5VvjVu049K2GMjLIBibvRPY45JzEPnduSv8l1S0HAw1445-h774.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 31 January, 2016, 09:16:16 pm

There's a couple of cultural references to baffle Alicia.


You can Google anything nowadays.  There are no more mysteries.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: toontra on 31 January, 2016, 09:39:49 pm
It would be interesting to hear how Kurt's feeling 3 weeks on - warm afterglow of satisfaction or existential void?  The legs involuntarily pedalling in bed or waking at 4am?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 January, 2016, 09:50:11 pm

There's a couple of cultural references to baffle Alicia.


You can Google anything nowadays.  There are no more mysteries.

That's how I found out about Steve's visits to the Lake District and Cornwall during the One Year Time Trial.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 31 January, 2016, 09:52:02 pm


You can Google anything nowadays.  There are no more mysteries.

That's how I found out about Steve's visits to the Lake District and Cornwall during the One Year Time Trial.
No mysteries, just misinformation.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 February, 2016, 08:55:18 am
I always wondered if there'd been a real Alf Tupper. There was a runner with a similar story, John Tarrant, but he came after Tupper.

Quote
In 1950, at the age of 18, John took up boxing in Buxton, and earned a total of £17 at prize-fights in his local Town Hall.[2] He did not much enjoy boxing, but found during his training that he had a talent for long-distance running. Accordingly, he gave up boxing the following year and turned his sights to training for the marathon, hoping to compete at the 1960 Summer Olympics in Rome, Italy.

In 1952 John applied to join the Salford Harriers in order to register with the Amateur Athletic Association of England. On being asked whether he had ever played sport for money, he chose to answer honestly and declared his brief career in prize-fighting. Due to the strict amateur code enforced at the time, he was immediately banned from competition for life.[2]

Despite this setback, he continued to train, and (with the assistance of his brother Victor) began to gatecrash races to which he was officially refused entry, often out-performing recognised champions of the day. Nicknamed "The Ghost Runner" by the Press, his popularity eventually led to a relaxation of the ban against him: From 1958 he was permitted to compete nationally, but would remain ineligible to be selected for his country, and hence never did compete at the Olympic Games.

In the 1960s he turned to ultra-marathons, and set world records for 40-mile and 100-mile distances.[3] In 1967 he became the first man ever to win the season's grand slam in Britain's four principal ultra-marathons (the London-to-Brighton, Isle of Man, Exeter-to-Plymouth, and Liverpool-to-Blackpool).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tarrant_(athlete)

It's probably inevitable that Steve's ride will become harder in legend, while Kurt's becomes easier. From a British standpoint.

The Toffs v Toughs storyline occurs in the  US cycling film 'Breaking Away'. There was a bit of an echo of that in the Lance story.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 01 February, 2016, 12:16:43 pm
Such a contrast to Steve's improved model diet. A sort of Desperate Dan meets Alf Tupper, Tough of the Track.
There's a couple of cultural references to baffle Alicia.

Alf Tupper: now that takes me back...  :)

(http://www.toughofthetrack.net/Alf_chips.JPG)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 02 February, 2016, 04:05:00 pm


It's probably inevitable that Steve's ride will become harder in legend, while Kurt's becomes easier. From a British standpoint.



It started early on and I believe you are right. The British have a stake in this, an emotional attachment, history and pride.  Americans really don't. It's just an amazing achievement. At the beginning it was the tortoise and the hare. Now, I wonder how the story tellers will play this out?

Alf Tupper, that's a funny one! Kurt does like fish-n-chips... not to mention beer!!!  :thumbsup:

Still haven't tried beans on toast... will attempt to try and let you know...  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2016, 04:17:18 pm
Is fish'n'chips even a thing in USAnia? :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: teethgrinder on 02 February, 2016, 04:22:17 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 04:51:11 pm
And curry.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 02 February, 2016, 05:24:25 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.

I agree TG! I think if you mentioned it to Tarzan...  ;D :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup: ;D Mention food and beer, that helps! ;D
Besides, this getting back to normal life seems weird, out of sorts, can't put my finger on it... Don't you think? 
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 05:27:48 pm
Have a holiday in Milton Keynes!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2016, 05:34:33 pm
Baked Beans aren't the same in the USA, even the Heinz ones.

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Four flavors of its new HomeStyle Beans, a name that borrows from the company's HomeStyle Gravy line, are rolling out in grocery stores around the country, after successful tests last fall in several markets including Pittsburgh.

These are not the same beans that Brits have served on toast as a comfort food since 1901. The U.K. label and recipe are different. Theirs are white navy beans in a simple tomato sauce.

For U.S. customers, Heinz officials tapped the expertise of the company's Canadian operation, which is also big into the baked beans business and offered up 12 to 14 recipes to choose from, said Noel Geoffroy, vice president, Heinz Brands/U.S. Consumer Products.

"We tweaked them as appropriate for the U.S. consumer," said Ms. Geoffroy, who has years of experience marketing brands from Folgers and Pringles to Heinz ketchup.

Customers here will choose from traditional combinations such as brown sugar and bacon; molasses and pork; and maple flavor, as well as the trendier Chipotle BBQ Style.


http://www.post-gazette.com/business/businessnews/2012/01/25/Heinz-brings-beans-back-to-U-S/stories/201201250251
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 02 February, 2016, 05:40:13 pm
Whew, then I'm off the hook?  ;D ::-) :P O:-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2016, 05:43:33 pm
You can't escape that easily, you can have a trip out to Jacksonville. The cutlery is set out wrong though.

(http://media1.fdncms.com/arktimes/imager/irish-breakfast/u/blog/3266830/irish_breakfast.jpg?cb=1450387672)

http://www.arktimes.com/EatArkansas/archives/2014/04/14/get-your-uk-food-fix-at-wee-bettys
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 02 February, 2016, 05:47:03 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.
Have a holiday in Milton Keynes!

This is getting weirder and weirder: Britain as a gastronomic destination, and visit MK for your holidays.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 February, 2016, 05:54:15 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.
Have a holiday in Milton Keynes!

This is getting weirder and weirder: Britain as a gastronomic destination, and visit MK for your holidays.

No weirder than PBP. Starts and finishes in a French version of MK, and sausages are available all the way round.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Auntie Helen on 02 February, 2016, 05:58:00 pm
If Whip & Tarzan ever manage to come over I would travel to the UK from Germany to buy them a beer to say thanks for the entertaining and fascinating times following their progress last year.

Don't forget how much tastier European chocolate is too than American chocolate. I found American chocolate tasted weirdly slimy.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Somnolent on 02 February, 2016, 05:59:34 pm
Is fish'n'chips even a thing in USAnia? :o

It has been attempted - on at least one occasion.
My grandfather was Editor-in-Chief of a local newspaper group in Nottingham and as I recall the story they printed a special edition 'front-page' with spoof Robin-Hoodery to be exported to a new start up somewhere in USA that wanted to create the 'proper' fish & chips in newspaper experience.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: teethgrinder on 02 February, 2016, 06:30:27 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.

I agree TG! I think if you mentioned it to Tarzan...  ;D :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup: ;D Mention food and beer, that helps! ;D
Besides, this getting back to normal life seems weird, out of sorts, can't put my finger on it... Don't you think?

I reckon Tarzan would love a curry and lager. As for beer, Wowbagger and Hummers would put you right.
I never found any decent chocolate in the USA either, just that Hersher stuff, or whatever it's called. It's started to appear over here now but British confectionary is much better than anything I've tried in the USA.
It still feels a bit weird for me not having to go out every day.



This is getting weirder and weirder: Britain as a gastronomic destination, and visit MK for your holidays.

Britain has a good reputation for food nowadays. And people do come to Milton Keynes for a holiday, and return. It wouldn't be my first choice either but an American might feel more at home here with the grid road system and shopping centres. Plus it's handy for a lot of nice places to visit.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 02 February, 2016, 06:36:11 pm
[...]people do come to Milton Keynes for a holiday, and return. It wouldn't be my first choice either but an American might feel more at home here with the grid road system and shopping centres.

Lest we forget: Milton Keynes did a passable[1] impression of New York in Superman IV

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/superman-iv/33015/a-pilgrimage-to-the-filming-locations-of-superman-iv#main-content-area


[1] To an 8 year old Brit who'd never been to USAnia.  Less so when I happened to see it again as an adult.   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 06:38:11 pm
Tradition has it that USAnians visiting Britain go to London, Edinburgh and Stratford-upon-Avon. Kurt and Alicia would clearly have to travel by bike, and for old time's sake should include Lowestoft, Goole and Marsh Gibbon.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: teethgrinder on 02 February, 2016, 06:55:34 pm
Scotland is also very popular and I would definitely recommend it for cycling and food. Especially Fiddlers in Drumnodrochit on the banks of Loch Ness. Very good food, all fortified with whisky and probably every possible Scotch whisky available. Also worth touring Wales.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Polar Bear on 02 February, 2016, 06:57:15 pm
Would be great to have Kurt and Alicia at Long Itch.   Waddya think chaps?  THe friday night chip van and beer in the pub, the slow ride for food on Saturday?   Just up Kurt's street.  No?   :D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 07:03:49 pm
I can bring the tandem and we can have filthy bike swapping.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 02 February, 2016, 07:50:40 pm
Scotland is also very popular and I would definitely recommend it for cycling and food. Especially Fiddlers in Drumnodrochit on the banks of Loch Ness. Very good food, all fortified with whisky and probably every possible Scotch whisky available. Also worth touring Wales.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Can't disagree with Scotland as a destination for cyclists. Except maybe for the weather and the midgies!  ;D

May/June or September/early October are the best times to avoid the latter. As for the former, it's pot luck I'm afraid.  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 02 February, 2016, 07:52:02 pm

Alf Tupper, that's a funny one! Kurt does like fish-n-chips... not to mention beer!!!  :thumbsup:

Still haven't tried beans on toast... will attempt to try and let you know...  ???
Really how can Kurt set a cycling record without the help of the cycling staples of fish n chips, beer and beans. Really these dam yanks!

Beer the is best carbo loading there is  :thumbsup:

BB
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 02 February, 2016, 08:00:45 pm
Yebbut... American beer? Yeuch!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: The French Tandem on 02 February, 2016, 08:08:52 pm
Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,

Yes, I know that many on this board will disagree with me, but let's face it, the best beans in the universe are the Boston baked beans, delicately cooked in molasse, onions and mustard...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2016, 10:12:17 pm
Scotland is also very popular and I would definitely recommend it for cycling and food. Especially Fiddlers in Drumnodrochit on the banks of Loch Ness. Very good food, all fortified with whisky and probably every possible Scotch whisky available. Also worth touring Wales.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Can't disagree with Scotland as a destination for cyclists. Except maybe for the weather and the midgies!  ;D

May/June or September/early October are the best times to avoid the latter. As for the former, it's pot luck I'm afraid.  ::-)

We were chewed to bits by the little buggers when we were over on Mull in late May 2014. Western Scotland tends to get its best weather in April/early May and you would be very unlucky to meet midges then.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 02 February, 2016, 10:19:24 pm
And people do come to Milton Keynes for a holiday, and return. It wouldn't be my first choice either but an American might feel more at home here with the grid road system and shopping centres. Plus it's handy for a lot of nice places to visit.

I suppose I'll have to admit staying there myself.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 February, 2016, 10:41:02 pm
Is fish'n'chips even a thing in USAnia? :o

It has been attempted - on at least one occasion.
My grandfather was Editor-in-Chief of a local newspaper group in Nottingham and as I recall the story they printed a special edition 'front-page' with spoof Robin-Hoodery to be exported to a new start up somewhere in USA that wanted to create the 'proper' fish & chips in newspaper experience.

Every Irish bar in the entire country (and there must be millions) proudly serves fish'n'chips. There will be few Americans not familiar, even if they've never succumbed.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 02 February, 2016, 10:42:10 pm
How often does it turn out to be fish'n'crisps, thobut?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: TimC on 02 February, 2016, 10:45:39 pm
How often does it turn out to be fish'n'crisps, thobut?

Never, in my experience (five visits to the USA so far this year, and several hundred in total).
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 02 February, 2016, 10:50:37 pm
I remember falling foul of en_US 'chips' on a trip to the USA when I was a kid, but I don't think there was any fish involved.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Greenbank on 03 February, 2016, 12:02:10 am
Sounds like some people need to visit the US again to update their stereotypical viewpoints.

No problem getting UK style real ales there when I lived there (west coast, east coast and a few random places in the middle), no shortage of curry or fish and chips either.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 03 February, 2016, 12:11:47 am
No problem getting UK style real ales there when I lived there

Actually cask-conditioned? Or 'craft' beers, which are keg?



(I'll point out that I'm being a beer pedant here, not a beer snob. There are many very fine craft beers, it's just that the provisional wing of CAMRA gets most exercised at the notion of anything other than cask-conditioned being thought of as 'real ale.' Meh, says I - if it tastes good, and it's real enough to drink, then that's real enough for me.)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 03 February, 2016, 04:12:23 am
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.

You can get baked beans this side of the water. I don't personally, can't stand the things, but my wife does.

I have yet to find what I'd call a "proper" chippy. One place about 15 miles from me serves fish and chips (and when they say "chips" they don't mean what a Brit would call crisps). The fish is breaded haddock in sticks (kind of like giant fish fingers, but fish fillets rather than tiny amounts of fish mashed up with lots of potato), and the chips are slices of potato cooked the way I'd expect chips to be cooked. It's nice, but not the same as English fish-n-chips.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: contango on 03 February, 2016, 04:15:13 am
Yebbut... American beer? Yeuch!

I guess you never ventured further than Bud Lite.

American beer is much more varied than yellow fizzy garbage with Lite on the end of its name. Traditionally American beer was served ice cold on the basis it was the only way you could tell it from urine. Now they've got their acts together and there are small breweries all over the country. If you want IPA, stout, porters, red ales, pumpkin ales, Oktoberfest ales, lagers, bocks, you'll probably find something you like.

Only this evening I was eating in a place that has its own brewery and they probably had 20 different beers on the menu, not including beers they didn't brew themselves. I went for a flight of five of them (for the princely sum of $8) and had a variety of styles.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 03 February, 2016, 09:49:51 am
Aye, as with much else all over the globe, the American palate has evolved.

I quite enjoyed this beer during a visit to California a few years ago:

(https://azdisciplenc.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/fattire.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 03 February, 2016, 10:58:10 am
I know Kurt has a bit of an aversion to sleep deprivation, but he'd be very welcome at the Mersey Roads 24. He could ask Joel about it, he's ridden it a couple of times.
It's UMCA sanctioned, and there's a lot to see locally: Chester, North Wales, Liverpool, and of course the legendary Raven Cafe.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 03 February, 2016, 11:47:54 am
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.

I don't believe this !

The 'baked bean' meal was brought to Europe from Eastern US / Canada. Baking beans was done by the Native First Nation People.
The first can of beans to come to the UK was only 130 years ago.

Have you never watched 'Blazing saddles' by Mel Brooks?
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 03 February, 2016, 11:50:20 am
yebbut those aren't proper heinz baked beans, they are some sort of forrin stuff
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ningishzidda on 03 February, 2016, 11:57:41 am
http://www.heinz.co.uk/en/Our-Company/About-Heinz/Heinz-Story

I've dropped so many gaffs on this forum, it now pays to research.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 February, 2016, 03:08:59 pm
Aye, as with much else all over the globe, the American palate has evolved.

I quite enjoyed this beer during a visit to California a few years ago:

(https://azdisciplenc.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/fattire.jpg)

I first encountered thst in 2003, by 2008 thry had it on draught in the Wol Club in Battle Mountain :thumbsup:

In 2014 I spent a night about half a mile from the brewery in Fort Collins but by then I'd had to give it up chiz >:(
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 February, 2016, 05:37:35 pm
I never found a proper chippy whenever I've been to the USA. Not sure whether you can get baked beans over there either,
Tarzan and Whip would do well to come over to the UK, do some rides and enjoy some British stuff like fish, chips, beer in pubs and other stuff.

I don't believe this !

The 'baked bean' meal was brought to Europe from Eastern US / Canada. Baking beans was done by the Native First Nation People.
The first can of beans to come to the UK was only 130 years ago.

Have you never watched 'Blazing saddles' by Mel Brooks?

Like I said, I'm not sure. It doesn't surprise me that you can get baked beans in the USA. I've been inside a Wal Mart and you seem to be able to buy anything there but I wasn't going to hunt around a giant maze for something I didn't want.
I never really thought of Blazing Saddles as a documentary. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mattc on 04 February, 2016, 06:46:40 pm
Even more OT:
This post seems to have tripped our work firewall ("alcohol and tobacco" rule IIRC - no mention of firearms). This is very rare, I can see just about every other page on YACF.

A bit ironic, given the fuss about alcohol, UCMA rules etc 12 months ago ...

Anyhoo, as you were!
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Phil W on 04 February, 2016, 07:55:24 pm
And now of course your firewall can chew on firearms
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: danridesbikes on 04 February, 2016, 08:47:41 pm
Quote
This post seems to have tripped our work firewall

so we could effectively block you from the forum during working hours by have a sticky with a load of trigger words in?  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: crowriver on 04 February, 2016, 09:58:59 pm
Beer. Whisky. Cigars. Hand rolling tobacco. Lee Enfield rifle.

There, will that do?

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 04 February, 2016, 10:10:52 pm
I did wonder if Kurt could acclimatise himself for a visit to the UK in Little Rock. Surprisingly, he could take up both Cricket and Rugby. Albeit he would be playing cricket with a lot of blokes called Patel.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows//blog/2014/03/10-british-things-little-rock-ar

http://www.arktenncricketleague.com/teams/rosters15.php
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wowbagger on 05 February, 2016, 04:58:43 am
Beer. Whisky. Cigars. Hand rolling tobacco. Lee Enfield rifle.

There, will that do?

 ;D
Good job no one is riding a BSA bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Whip on 05 February, 2016, 03:49:15 pm
Kurt does love rugby, but not a cricket fan.
FYI, he's finally contemplating a trip to England this summer.  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: clarion on 05 February, 2016, 04:20:03 pm
:thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: jsabine on 05 February, 2016, 04:21:35 pm
FYI, he's finally contemplating a trip to England this summer.  :o

I'd be fairly sure he'll be drowning under the offers of accommodation, and ride partners, and BEER ...
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ian H on 05 February, 2016, 04:23:54 pm
Kurt does love rugby, but not a cricket fan.
FYI, he's finally contemplating a trip to England this summer.  :o

He'd better brush up on the language, then. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pbwjp)  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: citoyen on 05 February, 2016, 04:51:34 pm
people do come to Milton Keynes for a holiday ... it's handy for a lot of nice places to visit.

Yes - like Marsh Gibbon, for example!

Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 09 June, 2020, 09:22:41 am
Giving this topic a huge kick

Both Alicia and Kurt show themselves from a different angle regarding the death of George Flloyd and the Black Lives Matter demonstrations, judging by their posts on Facebook framing the protests.
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 09 June, 2020, 09:39:42 am
Not following them on Facebook, could you post a link to the posts you refer to?
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: rob on 09 June, 2020, 09:54:21 am
Giving this topic a huge kick

Both Alicia and Kurt show themselves from a different angle regarding the death of George Flloyd and the Black Lives Matter demonstrations, judging by their posts on Facebook framing the protests.

I went and had a look after you posted a link on Facebook.   Had to stop fairly quickly.
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 June, 2020, 10:05:59 am
Just because somebody rides a bike, does not make them a friend. I like to think there is more chance of them becoming a friend but that is about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Peter on 09 June, 2020, 10:15:21 am
Just because somebody rides a bike, does not make them a friend. I like to think there is more chance of them becoming a friend but that is about as good as it gets.

This is a very good point and applies generally to interests in common.

(I'm not going to bother with the FB stuff - after all, if you have friend on FB does that make them a friend?!)
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mmmmartin on 11 June, 2020, 12:31:19 pm
Giving this topic a huge kick

Both Alicia and Kurt show themselves from a different angle regarding the death of George Flloyd and the Black Lives Matter demonstrations, judging by their posts on Facebook framing the protests.

I went and had a look after you posted a link on Facebook.   Had to stop fairly quickly.
I made the same mistake. He's a bit of a knob isn't he?
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 11 June, 2020, 12:58:02 pm
Can we keep politics to POBI, please?
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Ivo on 11 June, 2020, 02:17:09 pm
Can we keep politics to POBI, please?

There's a certain line between politics and decency.
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 11 June, 2020, 04:09:22 pm
Can we keep politics to POBI, please?

What's "POBI" mean?
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: markcjagar on 11 June, 2020, 04:19:49 pm
Can we keep politics to POBI, please?

What's "POBI" mean?

Politics and Other Big Issues
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=30.0
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 11 June, 2020, 07:12:34 pm
Ta  :thumbsup:

Edited to add:

Oh.

"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you"

Maybe I was a little hasty with my "Ta"
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Kim on 11 June, 2020, 07:21:11 pm
It's opt-in rather than opt-out.  You need to specifically enable it in your profile settings somewhere. 
Title: Re: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Wobbly on 11 June, 2020, 10:30:50 pm
Thanks, Kim.

Edited to add:

Joined. Looked. Left.