Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Topic started by: rogerzilla on 21 September, 2018, 10:20:26 am
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45559619
Gammons keeping Nigel alive?
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A teacher friend of mine points out that she says 'Jack' to her class, virtually every boy looks up. And 'Olivia' makes the other half look up.
Boys names are a bit shit, so if we had kids and one of them was a boy, we'd probably have to drown it in the canal. That has to be a better fate than calling him Nigel. Friends of ours called their kid Edith, which seemed an odd choice at the time.
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Gammons keeping Nigel alive?
That's a new one for me. I must use it :thumbsup:.
(definitely not XTC fans)
Boys names are a bit shit
Agreed. I don't particularly like mine (and none of my close friends use it anyway). We gave peep #2 a traditional family name, the short version of which unfortunately became very popular soon after he was born (after a TV character). Never mind.
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Actually, I don't mind my name, but I'm biased. Olivers are just annoyingly middle-class. Best ignored. They're the sort of people who join the Young Conservatives.
The rest seem to be either Jack or Alfie, which as names go, seem to be a passport to a Young Offenders' Institution.
I think I've mentioned before that somewhere in South London there's a kid called Awesome. I'm not sure when that seemed like a good idea.
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Friends of ours called their kid Edith, which seemed an odd choice at the time.
Edith was on the shortlist if ours had been a girl. Also Florence and Grace. Probably would have had Maud on the list as well, but the cat had already bagged that one.
It's a middle class thing to give your kids names that were popular among the Edwardian working classes - hence the current preponderance of Jacks, Alfies, Stans etc. When we called our boy Wilfred, he was the only one we knew of, but we've met quite a few more since - usually a few years younger. 6music DJ Shaun Keaveny called his boy Wilfred too, but we were the original trend setters.
When I was at school, I was usually one of five or more Davids in the class. Now, David seems barely any more popular than Nigel. Give it 100 years and both David and Nigel will be back at the top of the list.
My nephew is an Oliver. Nice kid but I wouldn't be too surprised if he turned out to be a Tory.
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We considered Eleanor for Miss W as it was my nan's name. Although relatively unheard of at the time it's non uncommon now. Sign of the times I guess.
Personally I like traditional names, I think there's less chance of regretting the choice as they grow up (unlike some modern variants which just seem like an open doorway to piss-taking).
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Actually, I quite like Edith as a name, I just hadn't realised it had become currency again. Florence is OK, I suppose, though it's one of them newfangled pop stars innit, and Florence Amelia was my gran's name, though of course, she was Flo to everyone. I wouldn't, in some fictional alt-verse where I have kids, call a kid that. Sorry, I don't like Grace. It's a name that smells like lavender. I think I'd go for Audrey for my daughter. I quite like Jess too, but not Jessica so much, Jessicas in my experience are always a bit bossy. I've obviously given this a lot of thought. Also Emmaline (or should that be Emmeline) and is it 'leen or 'line. I do know Emmaline with the 'a' and the 'line as in Caroline, but I know the pronunciation of Emmeline Pankhurst favours the 'leen. (Same for Ottoline, this used to come up a lot as our after-work pub was the Lady Ottoline).
Despite all that thought, I can't really think of any boy's names I like, which is why I'd have to drown them. It sounds harsh, but surely better than having to put up with a kid whose name you hate for forever. Plus boys are, tbh, horrid. I was one, so I know.
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Yes, I've decided to call my second daughter (in the alt-verse where I'm a responsible adult) Emmaline* to rhyme with Caroline both to satisfy the thoroughly modern tenets of both non-standard spelling and pronunciation. Plus she can go through life correcting people as to these facts which I think she'll appreciate.
I think October would be a good name for a girl too.
*Emmaline is actually the super-space captain in my giant sci-fi opus that you should buy, well, when it gets published, of course. She flies around in a big spaceship and blows things up. It has an Audrey too, though she's a robot. Jess, on the other hand, is both a sarcastic dead and a dead sarcastic librarian who frequently saves an unappreciative world.
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In other news, Chris Evans has called his twins Boo and Wait ::-)
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They were Ping and Pong yesterday. What will they be tomorrow, Here and Now?
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Here's hoping for Beavis and Butt-Head.
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I'd vote for Dick and Wad.
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I downloaded the full lists; I am regretting my decision to have a vasectomy because now I really want to have a son called Willoughby. ;D
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The strongest argument for being careful in choosing your child's name is that they get to choose your nursing home. ;)
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Awesome's parents are fucked then.
Then again, so are we, our kids only exist in an alt-verse.
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There are more fricking Achilles than Rogers.
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There's a chap in my place of work called Tragedy. I've never dared ask the reason, his parents could just be BeeGee's fans, or there could be some truly horrible explanation :(
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Gammons keeping Nigel alive?
That's a new one for me. I must use it :thumbsup:.
(definitely not XTC fans)
Boys names are a bit shit
Agreed. I don't particularly like mine (and none of my close friends use it anyway). We gave peep #2 a traditional family name, the short version of which unfortunately became very popular soon after he was born (after a TV character). Never mind.
A lass at work's lad is called Corbin. I did ask if he was named after Jeremy, even though I didn't think it was likely. No - it'seems spelled differently, and apparently there are a few other Corbins out there.
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There's a chap in my place of work called Tragedy. I've never dared ask the reason, his parents could just be BeeGee's fans, or there could be some truly horrible explanation :(
ObliPTerry: https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Bestiality_Carter
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There's a chap in my place of work called Tragedy. I've never dared ask the reason, his parents could just be BeeGee's fans, or there could be some truly horrible explanation :(
ObliPTerry: https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Bestiality_Carter (https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Bestiality_Carter)
No, he's not from Ankh-Morpork, sadly somewhere far less peaceful. Perhaps not BeeGees fans after all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CME5BP5fZg4 :-D
Whatever, a nice bloke & a philosopher.....(OU degree I think....)
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I used to work with someone called James Riddel. What were his parents thinking???
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Yes, I've decided to call my second daughter (in the alt-verse where I'm a responsible adult) Emmaline* to rhyme with Caroline both to satisfy the thoroughly modern tenets of both non-standard spelling and pronunciation. Plus she can go through life correcting people as to these facts which I think she'll appreciate.
I think October would be a good name for a girl too.
*Emmaline is actually the super-space captain in my giant sci-fi opus that you should buy, well, when it gets published, of course. She flies around in a big spaceship and blows things up. It has an Audrey too, though she's a robot. Jess, on the other hand, is both a sarcastic dead and a dead sarcastic librarian who frequently saves an unappreciative world.
Emma, Emmaline, going to write your name up on that silver scrine...
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More than twenty posts in and no-one has mentioned this:
A woman who described herself as “A little bit Bridget, a little bit Ally, a little bit Sex And The City” and chose to call her baby boy Fred as a childishly rebellious attempt at a clever reaction to those who might have expected her to call him Julian or Rupert. Bit of advice: call him Rupert, it fits, and besides it’s a good name. Don’t be calling him Fred or Archie, with all its cheeky but lovable working class scamp connotations, unless you really do have plans for him to spend his life in William Hill’s waiting for them to weigh in at Newton Abbot.
Standirds r sliping.
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We’ve got a Freddie, a Martha and an Alice. Non were particularly popular at the time of choosing, but all have become more so since.
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The two top names again this year .... I have a daughter Olivia and her husband is Oliver (both 34) ... and their surname starts with "O" as well.
Rob
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My wife suggested Broughton for a boy. Honestly, I'd drown myself.
I put October in a story. I think she's sort of enjoying herself there.
Rupert. RUPERT!
No, no, no.
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The one that horrifies me is Jaxon, which sounds like a hip hop/funk crossover band but is a very popular boy's name.
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Really spelled with an 'x'?
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Jackson seems OK to me but Jaxon????
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With an X is now the default spelling :hand:
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See Huckleberry Finn.
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Really spelled with an 'x'?
I on a course about infographics several weeks back and one of the things we were working on was graphic on naming trends. No one could figure out Jaxon, it just seemed de novo stupid.
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Back-formation from Jax in Sons of Anarchy, perhaps?
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Squinting at the names on the terminal-thing at the pub earlier revealed among the waiting staff an Olivia, a Georgia, a Wyllie and a Liberty. Well, it is Leafy Surrey. Also a Matt and a Louis. And someone who could have been either Stan or Sian.
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And someone who could have been either Stan or Sian.
As in "... is a work of Sian"? Equality at last.
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And someone who could have been either Stan or Sian.
As in "... is a work of Sian"? Equality at last.
I thought "Poppy" was the female equivalent. However, I am stealing "jbex of Sian", 4 teh lulz.
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Poppy did go on to replace Lucifer as regent of Hell.
See, Lucifer would be a good name for the boy. The demons got all the best names. Oh, Astaroth, look what a mess you've made again, you've made mommy really rather angry.
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Really spelled with an 'x'?
I on a course about infographics several weeks back and one of the things we were working on was graphic on naming trends. No one could figure out Jaxon, it just seemed de novo stupid.
Canadadadadaian crooner Justin Bieber has a half brother yclept Jaxon. This may have influenced the popularity of the name.
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Or it might just be that people are fucking thick and can't spell.
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The granddaughter of the manager of the Battle Mountain Super 8 has a name pronounced "Caitlin" so natch I assumed it was spelled that way too. No. Katelyn.
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One of the constancies of American naming is the inconstancy of Caitlins.
That and their pronunciation of Siobhan and other Gaelic names. I'm sure I've mentioned my travels in the company of two Irish ladies of ill-repute and names most unpronounceable.
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Standing next to a Grainne while she was being paged by The Mgt at Denver airport was one of the highlights of that particular trip.
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This is about a year ago but has stuck with me - overhead some parents in the park calling their kid Guinevere.
If that wasn't bad enough, IIRC from the Arthurian legend, Arthur's wife was supposed to be exceptionally beautiful. This kid was never going to live up to that description.
My wife has some friends whose surname is Gow. Their child is named Tristan and so I have always referred to him as the shake it up baby.
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It gets worse. There are more than a few Jaxxons. Let's hope for their sake that none of them ever live or work on a lower-ground floor.
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Jaxxon is the child of good ol' Southern boys and girls. They named him after the state capital of Mixxixxippi. For similar reasons, Auxtin and Louix (...iana) are also popular down in Dissie. That should say, in Dicksie. No, I mean...
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I don't suppose they're all Van der Graaf Generator fans. I'm sure many here will remember Jaxon Sax.
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Pirate.
That's all I'm saying. But...
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Randy Woofer.
Really. Just really.
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Randy Woofer.
Really. Just really.
A brother for Horny Tweeter.
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If I were to have children (which is unlikely) a boy would be called something like David and a girl, Claire. I cannot be doing with the pretentious names people give their kids these days. And people who give their kids traditional names, but spell them in an absurd way can fuck right off....
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I think Slartibartfast is a perfectly good name for a boy
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And people who give their kids traditional names, but spell them in an absurd way can fuck right off....
Mrs n, who is Georgia, takes great offence at Jorja.
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I present the panel today's tale of woe from Auntie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46393501 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46393501)
No words!
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I don't anyone's going to object to "Dixon/Dickson" so what wrong with "Jaxon/Jackson"?
A new name has to start somewhere and I suppose that's the point, it's a new made up name and that's what people don't like. Maybe it's also to do with the fact these names are used by people of lower economic and social status.
There's also the use of a surname as a first name.
Actually I'm in favour of established traditional names, try spending your whole life having to tell other people how to say and spell your name. But if in years to come and most people have made up names, maybe that would become expected.
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Actually I'm in favour of established traditional names, try spending your whole life having to tell other people how to say and spell your name.
I can assure you that having a traditional name that happens to be a common everyday word is no help in persuading people to spell it correctly.
Pronunciation's always going to be a problem when people move between cultures. Like people mispronouncing words because they've learned them form reading, I reckon that's in the class of good problems to have.
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That's the problem with stupidly alternatively spelt names, the kids will spend their lives having to explain how their name is spelt. Not, not like that. It's the sort of novelty that takes minutes to stumble headlong into tedium. And there's a lifetime of no, not like that ahead. Basically, as a parent, you've guaranteed your kid will, at some point, in the next couple of decades become a sociopath. And when the time comes for them to put you in a home, it'll be that one, the one even the council avoids. You funeral will consist of being tipped into a dumpster.
So, go ahead parent, I'm sure everyone will be in awe of your nomenclative creativity.
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There are 3 different ways of spelling my traditional forename, and 2 of the surname I picked up from Pingu, 3 if you count the English variant.
I don't expect anybody to spell my name correctly. Although with the English variant it does irritate me that people insist on taking out a consonant that is quite clearly enunciated.
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The Beardylings all have straight forward traditional names, Alice, Freddie, & Martha1. However, Ms Beardy the senior ditched our surname when she married earlier this year, not for her husbands name, but to a new one they made up themselves partly because she didn’t want his but mostly because ours needs to,be spelled out every time we have to give it to someone2. Dr Beardy (Mrs) frequently laments changing from her maiden name of Turner on marrying me for the same reason.
1. Though she introduces herself as Mo because she says she doesn’t like Martha :(
2. Soft vowels and a silent consonant
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This week I was mostly laughing at my colleague who couldn't remember which of <name1> <name2> or <name2> <name1> they were supposed to be dealing with ;D
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People always think Irish names are wilfully peculiarly spelt but that's not true it's simple that Gaelic isn't English plus the fact that the Roman alphabet is rubbish at representing Gaelic. In fact Gaelic spelling is much more regular than English it's just not the same as English and why should it be any more than Polish or Finnish are. Its a completely unrelated language just using the same symbols for sounds.
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(Non European Phone Spammer voice)... "Hello, am I speaking to Mr Steh- Fen?"
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I present the panel today's tale of woe from Auntie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46393501 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46393501)
No words!
I pity the child (named Abcde if you CBA to follow the link).
I do wonder if the parents should be apologising for sentencing offspring to a lifetime of ridicule, rather than the airline, which fell into temptation.
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People always think Irish names are wilfully peculiarly spelt but that's not true it's simple that Gaelic isn't English plus the fact that the Roman alphabet is rubbish at representing Gaelic. In fact Gaelic spelling is much more regular than English it's just not the same as English and why should it be any more than Polish or Finnish are. Its a completely unrelated language just using the same symbols for sounds.
With a "traditional" typeface commissioned by Lizzie I, at that.
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Neither Suzy nor I was bothered for sealing our relationship with a contract (unless you count the mortgage which is, I think, much more binding. It’s definitely harder to get out of. Try telling the judge that you should be allowed to walk away because of the lender’s unreasonable behaviour).
So taking one or the other’s surname wasn’t even a question.
However, the boys had to have (I think) a surname. They got Suzy’s. I figured it was best given her Blue Peter daughter (one she made earlier).
I am only a little bit bothered that I’m the last in my line, name-wise. Neither am I overly precious of the Irish heritage that will be lost, or at least less obvious, as a result. But I admit to feeling that it was important to keep a link to the same in the boys’ given names, which is why their middle names are Oliver and Oscar respectively.
They are the O’ Jarvises.
;D
(An indulgence of mine that they can exploit or conceal as they wish)
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People always think Irish names are wilfully peculiarly spelt but that's not true it's simple that Gaelic isn't English plus the fact that the Roman alphabet is rubbish at representing Gaelic. In fact Gaelic spelling is much more regular than English it's just not the same as English and why should it be any more than Polish or Finnish are. Its a completely unrelated language just using the same symbols for sounds.
True but I think it's a bit more complicated than that. ;) Gaelic spelling might be completely regular but it does use letters or letter combinations in ways that are totally different to other languages. While there is some variation in letter<>sound relationship from language to language, particularly with C, K, W, Q, X and Z, it's usually between a small range of options. If you take a name like "Niambh" using that "mbh" combo represent a "v" sound is completely weird compared to other languages. This might be due to the Roman alphabet not having suitable symbols to represent Gaelic sounds but it doesn't make it any easier for non-Gaels to read!
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Ahem. Ahem. Would it be rude to point out that there are some entire languages that make themselves unpronounceable by ONLY using C, K, W, Q, X and Z and forgetting about those pesky vowels?
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Ahem. Ahem. Would it be rude to point out that there are some entire languages that make themselves unpronounceable by ONLY using C, K, W, Q, X and Z and forgetting about those pesky vowels?
"BAA!"
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Oh, and a friend of Miss Ham, name of Holly, has a girl child name of Ivy. New girl child arrival is named Lilly.
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I can't say that mine is particularly difficult, but people seem to assume a hundred different Scandinavian spellings, or swap the first bit of surname for my given name, creating an entirely different alter ego.
Note to self, use alter ego for nefarious plan to take over the world, they'll never guess
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One of our clients is called Ray Vaughan. I wonder
a) how many baby Raymonds there are nowadays (answer: in 2017, 59, and 84 Rays)? and
b) were his parents Buddy Holly fans?
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Ahem. Ahem. Would it be rude to point out that there are some entire languages that make themselves unpronounceable by ONLY using C, K, W, Q, X and Z and forgetting about those pesky vowels?
You mean Hebrew? As it's a completely different alphabet, I'm not sure it's comparable.
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One of our clients is called Ray Vaughan. I wonder
a) how many baby Raymonds there are nowadays (answer: in 2017, 59, and 84 Rays)? and
b) were his parents Buddy Holly fans?
Or fans of Stevie Ray Vaughan perhaps ?
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I also thought of SRV.
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Ahem. Ahem. Would it be rude to point out that there are some entire languages that make themselves unpronounceable by ONLY using C, K, W, Q, X and Z and forgetting about those pesky vowels?
You mean Hebrew? As it's a completely different alphabet, I'm not sure it's comparable.
Hebrew doesn't forget about pesky vowels. It implies them or puts them out of the main line of sight for beginners. It's got enough letters.
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Ahem. Ahem. Would it be rude to point out that there are some entire languages that make themselves unpronounceable by ONLY using C, K, W, Q, X and Z and forgetting about those pesky vowels?
You mean Hebrew? As it's a completely different alphabet, I'm not sure it's comparable.
Hebrew doesn't forget about pesky vowels. It implies them or puts them out of the main line of sight for beginners. It's got enough letters.
I'm sure that's just Cudzo being wilfully protective of Polish. Szczęście.
oh... and... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-fcrn1Edik
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Actually it did occur to me you meant Polish but only after posting. Hebrew was what first came to my mind because of it being written without the vowels (so I thought – Helly has posted the correct version above).
Anyway, Polish doesn't even have Q or X (nor V)! (but still manages to have 32 letters... )
By the way, that's a rather obscure film for anyone outside Poland to be quoting. :thumbsup:
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I also thought of SRV.
Whereas I immediately thought of 'Phoenix Nights'.
What that says about my intellectual level I'll leave up to you...
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Actually it did occur to me you meant Polish but only after posting. Hebrew was what first came to my mind because of it being written without the vowels (so I thought – Helly has posted the correct version above).
Anyway, Polish doesn't even have Q or X (nor V)! (but still manages to have 32 letters... )
By the way, that's a rather obscure film for anyone outside Poland to be quoting. :thumbsup:
I did try to learn a little polish before a short trip a couple of years ago, but gave up fairly early on through lack of time, making do with a phrase books and such languages as I could stumble through on. I remembered coming across that clip, though.
The hebrew vowel thing is curious, in some ways like writing cn ths b ndrstd? to which the answer is normally yes. The basic simplicity of Hebrew grammar is helpful, as there is a lot of consistency. Most verbs have three letter roots, most conjugations are similar as are most plurals. However, if you thought you would get off easy, there are two different pronunciations (Ashkenazi and sephardi) of the same vowel sets. There are also notations which change the letter sound, from v to oo, p to f, or s to sh for example. all of those are ditched with the vowels in any writing. As a saving grace, there are limited occasions where changing the vowels changes the meaning.
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Actually it did occur to me you meant Polish but only after posting. Hebrew was what first came to my mind because of it being written without the vowels (so I thought – Helly has posted the correct version above).
Anyway, Polish doesn't even have Q or X (nor V)! (but still manages to have 32 letters... )
By the way, that's a rather obscure film for anyone outside Poland to be quoting. :thumbsup:
I did try to learn a little polish before a short trip a couple of years ago, but gave up fairly early on through lack of time, making do with a phrase books and such languages as I could stumble through on. I remembered coming across that clip, though.
The hebrew vowel thing is curious, in some ways like writing cn ths b ndrstd? to which the answer is normally yes. The basic simplicity of Hebrew grammar is helpful, as there is a lot of consistency. Most verbs have three letter roots, most conjugations are similar as are most plurals. However, if you thought you would get off easy, there are two different pronunciations (Ashkenazi and sephardi) of the same vowel sets. There are also notations which change the letter sound, from v to oo, p to f, or s to sh for example. all of those are ditched with the vowels in any writing. As a saving grace, there are limited occasions where changing the vowels changes the meaning.
So the same letter can be either a consonant or a vowel? :o Why why yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? ;)
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As a deaf dyslexic I am in jealous awe of people who can learn other languages. ☹️
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So the same letter can be either a consonant or a vowel? :o Why why yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? ;)
Don't the Welsh pull a similar trick with their 'w's? If 'w' is pronounced 'oo' OR 'w' and many languages swivel between 'v' and 'w' pronunciation and writing u/v/w are interchangeable in several lines of language evolution....
Likewise 'i' and 'y' are used as both vowel and consonant. You can see what's sticky about stickiness...
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Back to baby names...
I am relieved these kind cops had conventional names...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46675306 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46675306)
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So the same letter can be either a consonant or a vowel? :o Why why yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? ;)
Don't the Welsh pull a similar trick with their 'w's? If 'w' is pronounced 'oo' OR 'w' and many languages swivel between 'v' and 'w' pronunciation and writing u/v/w are interchangeable in several lines of language evolution....
Likewise 'i' and 'y' are used as both vowel and consonant. You can see what's sticky about stickiness...
See above. ;)