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Title: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 08 August, 2015, 10:56:24 pm
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/DSCF4330_zpsmjk0pxo6.jpg)

853 custom steel frame with sparkly bling paint job
10 speed Chorus with carbon levers
Handbuilt wheels on Open Pro rims
Carbon forks
Brooks saddle with Ti rails
Co Pilot Limo on hefty Blackburn rack
Baby squealing with laughter as we motor along at evens
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: perpetual dan on 08 August, 2015, 11:11:37 pm
Yay, a happy sight!
Watch out as she grows, pulling shorts down becomes a good game when you're big enough to reach :)

(I always found the roadified mtb handled better than the audax bike with littles on the back.)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: T42 on 09 August, 2015, 08:23:25 am
A large HB bag with accessories will improve things no end.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: tiermat on 09 August, 2015, 09:57:10 am
Oh fun! Just wait until you are going like the clappers and littly decides that is the best time to start dancing in her seat!
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Butterfly on 09 August, 2015, 12:01:41 pm
 :D :D :D

I find that filling front panniers with baby kit massively improves the handling. You may need different forks...
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: clarion on 09 August, 2015, 12:09:07 pm
Enjoy your new biking life! ;D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: cycleman on 09 August, 2015, 07:00:32 pm
That is great :thumbsup: . it will be great weight training for your next audux  :demon:
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 09 August, 2015, 09:27:44 pm
 :thumbsup:

Does nobody make a carbon fibre child seat?  Missed opportunity that...
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Andrij on 09 August, 2015, 09:38:50 pm
For Guardian-reading West London mums?  Surely something made from hemp / bamboo ?
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 10 August, 2015, 12:56:02 pm
Now if I could find a bamboo cup holder for my almond milk latte...
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Andrij on 10 August, 2015, 01:45:12 pm
Now if I could find a bamboo cup holder for my almond milk latte...

(http://www.bicyclecupholderreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Bamboo-Cup-Holder-248x300.jpg)
Bamboo Cup Holder (http://www.bicyclecupholderreview.com/?page_id=16)

You're welcome.  ;D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 10 August, 2015, 02:12:49 pm
:D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 15 August, 2015, 04:28:58 pm
The tourer handles a bit better:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/DSCF4446_zpsnc0hjtm0.jpg~original)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: clarion on 15 August, 2015, 05:26:15 pm
Love this x a billion!
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Julian on 15 August, 2015, 05:49:17 pm
She's really good with it! :D We got the child seat slightly earlier than we were planning to because the tube strike was on a day when Charlotte and I were both working and she was meant to be at nursery, which is near where I work so kinda hard to get to without the tube.  Ebay came up trumps, we had a half mile practice run the night before, and the first ride she did was on the back of my tourer, we got the overground to Paddington at sparrowfart before the bike restrictions came in, then rode from Paddington to Smithfield, in rush hour, on tube strike day.  The ride back in the evening wasn't so good (lots of grumpy traffic) but it was me that was stressed, she was asleep!

She still doesn't like the bumps (if she's awake) - any hints as to how to cushion them a bit, or do they just get used to it?
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: clarion on 15 August, 2015, 06:11:43 pm
We found the Hamax seats to be better for that, as the two prongs (of which I was unjustly suspicious) form some kind of suspension.  But general tarmac bumpiness shouldn't be a problem in your sort of seat. It's not really as bad as you think it is, so long as you don't go hopping kerbs or rocketing over speedbumps.

She will probably get used to it.

I may be wrong.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 15 August, 2015, 08:05:29 pm
Yeah, I suspect the seats that attach with the prongs are a bit springier, but I love the way we can move the seat from bike to bike and still have a decent rack on there.  Downside is that you can't carry panniers.

35c M+ tyres seem to make life fairly comfy - she was so fast asleep this afternoon, I had to pull over a couple of times to check she was okay!
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 August, 2015, 08:14:41 pm
Does that baby of yours ever look anything but cheerful? I think she's the most obliging infant I have ever met.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Jurek on 15 August, 2015, 08:22:14 pm
The tourer handles a bit better:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/DSCF4446_zpsnc0hjtm0.jpg~original)

Lovely
 :thumbsup:
JB
xx
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: clarion on 15 August, 2015, 08:42:35 pm
Yeah, I suspect the seats that attach with the prongs are a bit springier, but I love the way we can move the seat from bike to bike and still have a decent rack on there.  Downside is that you can't carry panniers.

35c M+ tyres seem to make life fairly comfy - she was so fast asleep this afternoon, I had to pull over a couple of times to check she was okay!
35s give plenty of spring. 

Ftr, we have brackets on a couple of bikes, and can swap The Duck between them (and carry panniers!)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: sg37409 on 15 August, 2015, 10:18:21 pm
Forgot how small tehy are at first in the seats: She seems dwarfed by the chair. Ours did 2, and most of my pics are when they were a bit older and outgrowing the seat.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: nikki on 15 August, 2015, 11:37:30 pm
She still doesn't like the bumps (if she's awake) - any hints as to how to cushion them a bit, or do they just get used to it?

Are you and Charlotte being good pilots and calling out when there are bumps up ahead? It would have to be a signal that's age-appropriate, of course. I'm thinking a Gruffalo impression should do the trick.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Julian on 16 August, 2015, 11:09:39 pm
I just call bump. Maybe I should try a Gruffalo impression.

I can recite the entire Gruffalo's Child by heart. Perhaps a bit long winded for a single bump though. Or i could bastardise it to "aha! oho! a bump in the snow! Whose is this speed bump and where does it go?"
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Julian on 16 August, 2015, 11:10:05 pm
I love that there exists in the world a forum where calling the bumps to a 9mo baby is not regarded as eccentric. :D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 16 August, 2015, 11:13:03 pm
I love that there exists in the world a forum where calling the bumps to a 9mo baby is not regarded as eccentric. :D

Certainly no worse than calling the bumps to a 9wo kitten...
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: andrewc on 16 August, 2015, 11:32:02 pm
Just seen these pics.   Lovely.   :D :D 
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Butterfly on 16 August, 2015, 11:51:30 pm
I call bumps. I even called them when I went out to the pub without anyone on the back who needed to know!

The Hamax seats are more sprung, but the Co-Pilot ones are much more supportive and you don't want someone as small as Iris bouncing about too much. I have my Co-Pilot seats on my tandem which has 20 x 1.75 tyres and my winter/mountain bike with 26 x 1.5 tyres so they have a bit more padding. In the winter, a cozy-toes/footmuff for a stokke pushchair (2 legs) works well and is very cosy.  :)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2015, 12:29:36 am
I love that there exists in the world a forum where calling the bumps to a 9mo baby is not regarded as eccentric. :D

Why should that be eccentric?
She could be saying 'bump' back to you by Christmas!
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: nikki on 17 August, 2015, 09:36:08 am
I just call bump. Maybe I should try a Gruffalo impression.

I can recite the entire Gruffalo's Child by heart. Perhaps a bit long winded for a single bump though. Or i could bastardise it to "aha! oho! a bump in the snow! Whose is this speed bump and where does it go?"

 ;D :thumbsup:

Nice summing up.

In my mind's eye you're already cycling to work in full barrister get-up because of not being able to take the suitcase, so that would be a most excellent addition!


Loved the photos too, btw. May have forgotten to type that out loud before!


Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 17 August, 2015, 01:40:02 pm
I still don't speak Gruffalo.... maybe I should look it up on Wikipedia or something.  I made the mistake of asking "What's a Grufflao?" in the presence of barakta's mum once.  In classic Teacher Of The Deaf style, she ran off and came back armed with *puppets*   :hand:
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Julian on 17 August, 2015, 01:44:39 pm
A Gruffalo? What's a Gruffalo?
A Gruffalo! Why, didn't you know?
He has terrible tusks, and terrible claws,
and terrible teeth in his terrible jaws.
He has knobbly knees, and turned-out toes,
and a poisonous wart at the end of his nose.
His eyes are orange, his tongue is black;
he has purple prickles all over his back.
Oh help! Oh, no! IT’S A GRUFFALO!
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Chris N on 17 August, 2015, 01:47:49 pm
A Gruffalo?  Why, didn't you know? ;)

Bah, beaten to it.

Anyway, I always call bumps for the boy while we're out - using a rack mounted Yepp Maxi, even with a 2.2" MTB tyre at 30 psi (tubeless :thumbsup: ) and it's still very direct.  Going to swap to a QR version on the cantilevered bracket soon for a bit more movement.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 17 August, 2015, 01:48:24 pm
A Gruffalo? What's a Gruffalo?
A Gruffalo! Why, didn't you know?
He has terrible tusks, and terrible claws,
and terrible teeth in his terrible jaws.
He has knobbly knees, and turned-out toes,
and a poisonous wart at the end of his nose.
His eyes are orange, his tongue is black;
he has purple prickles all over his back.
Oh help! Oh, no! IT’S A GRUFFALO!

Yeah, looked like a Boglin to me.   :D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: andrewc on 17 August, 2015, 03:06:56 pm
Ah, published in 1999, no wonder I'd only vaguely heard the term.   Thank you for the edumacation....  :)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Butterfly on 17 August, 2015, 11:07:30 pm
I don't do gruffalos. Not sure why but there are a lot of children's books that I actually like.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 17 August, 2015, 11:30:33 pm
Ah, published in 1999, no wonder I'd only vaguely heard the term.

It's like Harry Potter:  One minute the world was normal and ordinary and we only had to worry about things like New Labour and Spice Girls and AOL CDs and so forth, and then suddenly everyone was talking about this stuff like it had always existed, leading to a strange state of discombobulation.

It's probably a glitch in the Matrix.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 August, 2015, 09:26:30 am
A Gruffalo is a creature you have tea with, and that's good in my book.

I don't remember worrying about bumps, but like the Clariflies we had a Hamax (I wasn't aware this made a difference, it was simply what was available at the time and place) and he was bigger when we started anyway. I do remember riding through puddles being the funnest thing ever. And being pushed in the back, "helpfully", whenever we went uphill.

The pictures, I need not say, are delightful.

Oh, I've just this millisecond had an idea; it would be especially adaptable to a Circe, I think, but a pair of solos could do it too. You need two baby seats, one baby and one of those village hall urns full of tea. And two mugs. I'm sure you get the idea already. Perhaps you need a method of preventing baby scaldings too. Perhaps tell the baby there's a Gruffalo in the urn?
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 18 August, 2015, 11:30:13 am
She still doesn't like the bumps (if she's awake) - any hints as to how to cushion them a bit, or do they just get used to it?
A sheepskin is wonderful.
Lets air around them, gives some cushioning, doesn't get stinky if wee'd on.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: jsabine on 24 August, 2015, 04:28:04 pm
A Gruffalo is a creature you have tea with, and that's good in my book.

That's tigers, shirley?
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: marcusjb on 24 August, 2015, 04:46:30 pm
Just spotted these photos and they are just fabulous and joyous! 
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 04:51:28 pm
She still doesn't like the bumps (if she's awake) - any hints as to how to cushion them a bit, or do they just get used to it?
A sheepskin is wonderful.
Lets air around them, gives some cushioning, doesn't get stinky if wee'd on.

Wouldn't the sheep object?
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Otto on 24 August, 2015, 06:00:18 pm
Shocking travesty.... can't you just pop her in an Ortlieb?   ;D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 06:02:11 pm
Shocking travesty.... can't you just pop her in an Ortlieb?   ;D

IIRC it was a Carradice...
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 August, 2015, 06:18:41 pm
A Gruffalo is a creature you have tea with, and that's good in my book.

That's tigers, shirley?
Depends. Tigers come to your house, but Gruffalos invite you to theirs. I'm not sure what happens if you meet both together; probably you should hope there are no woozles.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: fruitcake on 24 August, 2015, 09:46:55 pm
She still doesn't like the bumps (if she's awake) - any hints as to how to cushion them a bit, or do they just get used to it?
A few thoughts on this

1. I expect she spends a lot of time resting the back of her helmeted head on the chair back, making big bumps particularly annoying, so I guess more padding in the chair will help, especially at the back and sides.

2. Front line suspension (i.e. fat tyres) has to be a good thing.

3. Experienced cyclists unweight the bike slightly by lifting up off the saddle when they go over a pothole, using the knees as suspension for the upper body and head. You probably rise out of the saddle in anticipation of a bump without even realising it. So, not rising up and instead remaining fully seated would weigh the bike down and therefore lessen the shock through the rear wheel to the rear of the bike, which is where your little passenger is.

Caveat: IANAparent and I have no 'baby cycling experience' so all of the above could be aloadofcobblers.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: fruitcake on 24 August, 2015, 10:11:43 pm
Wondering of anyone else had solved this one, I googled 'baby on a bike' and I found this. Which your baby would love.

http://wildtalesof.com/expanding-our-adventures-babys-first-bike-ride/ (http://wildtalesof.com/expanding-our-adventures-babys-first-bike-ride/)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Greenbank on 26 August, 2015, 03:32:33 pm
Blimey, take a break from this place for a while and look what happens. Many many congratulations!

Yeah, I suspect the seats that attach with the prongs are a bit springier, but I love the way we can move the seat from bike to bike and still have a decent rack on there.  Downside is that you can't carry panniers.

Hamax Kiss with the extra height mounting bar allows you to use the rack with panniers even with a tiny frame like my hackbike:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/IMG_4591_medium.jpg)

For sale, good condition, £40 includes both the normal and extra height mounting bar (but only one frame bracket, but they can be found for £15). Collection from SW15 or nearby Royal Park. Grumpy child not included. Happy to lend it to you to try out first.

It'll last for ages, the last ride MiniGB had in it was to take her to school when we were late one morning, she was 20kg or so then.

MiniGB now tearing it up on her own CNOC 16.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Charlotte on 26 August, 2015, 03:54:48 pm
Ohhh, that's really cool, GB!  I'll mention it to Julian  :)
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: L CC on 26 August, 2015, 04:52:35 pm
(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/IMG_4591_medium.jpg)
That is an outstandingly grumpy child.

Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Julian on 26 August, 2015, 05:25:31 pm
Looks like a fantastic solution to bike n baby n panniers. Then I can also take a lock, and get it to whichever court I'm in. Happy days!  Yes please.

That's a ridiculously cute grumpy child too.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: clarion on 26 August, 2015, 10:04:07 pm
Spare brackets (and I admit they are ugly) can be bought from Halfords, I believe, as they sold the seats rebadged.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 August, 2015, 10:10:54 pm
Ha, if I'd know I could have brought the bracket of ours back from 'holiday'. It's still on top of the upstairs fridge – no sign of the seat itself though.  ??? But it would certainly have put us overweight for the flight home, so we wouldn't have done anyway.  ::-)

However, I'm pretty sure we did manage to get panniers on with the Hamax as well – the normal fitting. It's just a case of pushing them on first and accepting they'll be almost inaccessible without taking the seat off. Probably depends on shape of rack etc too.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Butterfly on 26 August, 2015, 10:14:58 pm
I put the seat on then the panniers. Then fill the panniers (When we're touring, my rear ones are mostly bedding). The panniers (ortliebs) need to be empty so that you can slide the rigid rear side behind the seat's footrest and the bag can deform to fit. An ortlieb barrel bag attaches to the top of the bags and goes behind the seat.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 August, 2015, 10:22:39 pm
My advice on this is take Butterfly's advice over mine, anyday.  :thumbsup: It must be eight years since I last used one of these things, so not fresh in my mind.
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: TimO on 02 September, 2015, 07:04:29 pm
I love that there exists in the world a forum where calling the bumps to a 9mo baby is not regarded as eccentric. :D
Certainly no worse than calling the bumps to a 9wo kitten...

... and I still do, although she's not 9 weeks old any longer!

A 4+ years old Kai got them called out too, but he's no longer interested in being taken to the vets or cattery. ;D
Title: Re: How to mess up the handling on your best Audax bike
Post by: Greenbank on 16 September, 2015, 12:10:44 am
That is an outstandingly grumpy child.

I do my best. She'd just been swimming (with a wave machine too!) the ungrateful little wretch, but she is my daughter so I can't expect anything other than great grumpiness.

Looks like a fantastic solution to bike n baby n panniers. Then I can also take a lock, and get it to whichever court I'm in. Happy days!  Yes please.

Sorry, hectic weeks involving said child biting through her lip and some other family stuff.

I'll send a PM tomorrow about the child seat if you're still interested.