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rob

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #600 on: 05 April, 2019, 01:56:15 pm »
According to the information I can find I must start the registration process before 18th June and I understand that to do this I will need to enter three of the qualifying brevets.

Presumably this means I will need the acp numbers for those rides.

Could it be a problem for me that my 3rd and 4th brevet are on 18th and 25th of May? Obviously I will have completed the rides but considering one of these is a postal finish will I be able to enter the details by the deadline?

Especially relevant if for some reason I don't complete BCM on the 18th

Last time round the ACP numbers were coming back really quickly - as in a few days.   The validation process stepped up a gear around 400/600 time.

Wycombewheeler

  • PBP-2019 LEL-2022
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #601 on: 05 April, 2019, 06:08:27 pm »
Thanks. That's good to know.

Eddington  127miles, 170km

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #602 on: 06 April, 2019, 02:55:06 pm »
6 x 80hr, 23 x 84hr. I wonder how many are VS 84hr.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #603 on: 07 April, 2019, 11:28:06 pm »
Now 9:15:1 for 80:84:90hr. Interesting how the places keep being redistributed.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #604 on: 09 April, 2019, 08:22:22 am »
All Change!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   7
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   8

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #605 on: 10 April, 2019, 07:20:49 am »
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #606 on: 10 April, 2019, 11:53:38 am »
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.

They are now!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   2
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   4

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #607 on: 10 April, 2019, 02:24:29 pm »
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.

They are now!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   2
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   4

And then there were three....

1 x 80 hour and 2 x 84 hour


LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #608 on: 10 April, 2019, 09:38:05 pm »
All three are 80hr now.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #609 on: 11 April, 2019, 06:35:15 am »
Apparently an email has been sent from ACP to the affiliated country Audax organisations,

"Dear all,

For your information, PBP 2019 is fully booked. 7600 riders pre registered for this session and we won’t open new slots as the organization is handled for roughly 7000 riders. "

Top 20 pre-registrations by country

Code    Country            Riders
FR   France                  1,595
DE   Germany                 833
GB   United Kingdom      669
US   United States         565
JP   Japan                     429
IT   Italy                       423
IN   India                      386
ES   Spain                     279
RU   Russia                   237
BR   Brazil                    184
BE   Belgium                145
CA   Canada                132
SE   Sweden                124
NL   Netherlands        113
UA   Ukraine               111
TH   Thailand              104
AU   Australia              102
GR   Greece                 102
DK   Denmark                93
IE   Ireland                  85

So if UK riders get the special consideration as proposed above (ie have until Oct 31 to finish) that should moderate the bulge a bit  :D

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #610 on: 11 April, 2019, 02:23:17 pm »
I don't see the "Asian wave" that was initially reported as a reason for the jump in enrollment?

simonp

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #611 on: 11 April, 2019, 02:25:28 pm »
669 is a high number by historical UK standards. I think there is a general increase in participation.

ETA: Japan's turnout seems high also.

Phil W

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #612 on: 11 April, 2019, 02:42:05 pm »
India is significantly up provided they all make it to the start. Here is the full Indian contingent at PBP 2015


Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #613 on: 11 April, 2019, 05:30:22 pm »
India is significantly up provided they all make it to the start. Here is the full Indian contingent at PBP 2015



Phil photo bombing - again! Honestly you can't take him anywhere!

simonp

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #614 on: 11 April, 2019, 05:34:32 pm »
Dropbox is blocked at work so I saw nothing

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #615 on: 11 April, 2019, 05:49:10 pm »
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #616 on: 11 April, 2019, 10:01:01 pm »
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html

The amount of French riders has been quite stable at around 2000 for the '95 to '15 editions. Dropping to nearly 1600 means that about 400 French 'PBP-tourists' have been caught asleep.
Another surprising country with a low turnout is Denmark.

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #617 on: 11 April, 2019, 11:01:34 pm »
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html

The amount of French riders has been quite stable at around 2000 for the '95 to '15 editions. Dropping to nearly 1600 means that about 400 French 'PBP-tourists' have been caught asleep.
Another surprising country with a low turnout is Denmark.

The number of French entrants peaked in 2007 at 2296, although fewer than that started. https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=statistiques
That's out of a total of 5311 entrants.

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.

pizzicatooff

  • Night riding is inevitable
Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #618 on: 12 April, 2019, 12:00:06 am »

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.

The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says
Quote
BE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT

For how to apply, have a look at
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=organisation&page=appel_aux_benevols

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #619 on: 12 April, 2019, 07:24:13 am »
The amount of French regular randonneurs isn't much different from most other countries. With regular randonneur I mean the rider who attempts an SR series each year.
The amount of French riders who concentrate their brevet efforts on PBP only is vastly outnumbering the amount of regular randonneurs. A considerable number of these 'PBP-tourists' only checked the rules this spring and discovered that they don't stand a chance. I sincerely doubt if these PBP-tourists would generate volunteers.

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #620 on: 12 April, 2019, 07:57:24 am »
The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says

I was thinking about this while riding the 3Down at the weekend - take some time off, tour down and rock up somewhere. What might make me hesitate though is a complete absence of the language - a facility probably more important to possess as a volunteer than it is a rider. It's about getting involved and with the language that will always be inhibitory. I may well make an inquiry though.
Garry Broad

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #621 on: 12 April, 2019, 11:11:06 am »

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.

The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says
Quote
BE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT

For how to apply, have a look at
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=organisation&page=appel_aux_benevols

That link illustrates some of the problems. It's only for Rambouillet, which is a wholly new control. It suggests contacting the other controls locally. Historically, those controls are managed by the local FFCT affiliated Cyclo-Sportif club. Their volunteer effort is a reflection of the active membership of previous years, and that component seemed to be getting older last time, as did French riders.

Among other trends are the decline of 'unofficial' controls. Gorron is an example. In 1999 they provided a village hall with beds, in 2003 a roadside feeding stall, in 2007 a welcome, with a bugler, and in 2011 and 2015, not much at all. In contrast, I encountered mobile support for the Thais at Brest in 2015, with food and drink.

There was a preference expressed in the 2015 Plaquette for a 'purer' unsupported approach. I can see the problems created by motor-home support cluttering the control towns, but they do take the load off the controls. UK clubs have provided support for riders in the past, Willesden certainly had a van in 2007, and Heather was essentially driving a VC 167 support vehicle in 2015, although its main use was as a base for filming.

One indication of the shortfall in expected volunteer numbers in 2015 was the sight of spectators at the roadside wearing volunteer shirts. The floating volunteers were handing them out from the little Citroens that they whizz about in.

I have floated the idea of 'all in' pricing with various French riders, and with the controller at Tinteniac, as handling payment seems to consume a lot of volunteer effort. But that seems to be a complete non-starter, possibly because French riders rely a lot on support outside the controls. That structure also makes club support more viable for 'etrangers'; the Thais commented that food was expensive in France, and unusual for them.

The volunteer structure as I see it is relatively accessible at Rambouillet, but the rest is de-centralised, apart from the ANEC motorcycle support, and a small group which monitors rule infringements, and tidies up the signage. The two approaches for those wanting to help would seem to be to plug into the PBP system, or to identify the potential gaps and provide direct support for specific clubs.

A volunteer thread is obviously needed.

mattc

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Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #622 on: 12 April, 2019, 06:23:37 pm »
I can't remember the details, but Danial made a very wise comment about mobile homes on LEL. May have been a 2013 controllers meeting, and I think it was while discussing if we should be aiming for beds for every rider.

"If we don't provide <beds or whatever> then riders will bring support vehicles. [which could create big parking and traffic problems]."

It is certainly becoming less fashionable to do endurance events self-supported - you see it at running events and the 24h TT. And this may well impact volunteer numbers , which in turn makes it harder to ride self-supported ... etc ...  [you can probably tell I'm not very keen on this trend!]
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Phil W

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #623 on: 12 April, 2019, 07:30:04 pm »

Re: PBP Registration website
« Reply #624 on: 14 April, 2019, 07:01:11 am »
Most countries (top 30 below) up a lot, some more than a "lot" (in percentage), a few , France, US, Denmark down, so confirms the increase trend is overall with a few Asian and other countries being standouts.
 
(note the numbers are 2019 Pre-registrations vs 2015 Starters, but probably close enough for comparison, if China gets the Audax bug in 2023 in a big way like some other countries they will swamp the field)

I assume you have seen the 10 April "latest news" that says in part

"We have made overbooking to take into account the number of defections, that's why there will have neither allocation of additional places nor waiting list....Registrations will open on May 25th, only for those who are pre-registered (no direct registration as the maximum number of places has be reached)."
(http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=dernieres_nouvelles)

   Country      2019      2015      Incr      %   
         PreReg      Start      (19-15)      Incr   
   France      1595      1950      -355      -18%   
   Germany      833      471      362      77%   
   United Kingdom      669      450      219      49%   
   United States      565      612      -47      -8%   
   Japan      429      209      220      105%   
   Italy      423      348      75      22%   
   India      386      52      334      642%   
   Spain      279      234      45      19%   
   Russia      237      138      99      72%   
   Brazil      184      103      81      79%   
   Belgium      145      99      46      46%   
   Canada      132      89      43      48%   
   Sweden      124      95      29      31%   
   Netherlands      113      53      60      113%   
   Ukraine      111      32      79      247%   
   Thailand      104      68      36      53%   
   Australia      102      73      29      40%   
   Greece      102      56      46      82%   
   Denmark      93      106      -13      -12%   
   Ireland      85      44      41      93%   
   Romania      82      8      74      925%   
   South Korea      79      14      65      464%   
   Austria      75      46      29      63%   
   Taiwan      67      70      -3      -4%   
   Philippines      55      13      42      323%   
   Finland      48      27      21      78%   
   China      47      56      -9      -16%   
   Switzerland      42      31      11      35%   
   Malaysia      36      3      33      1100%   
   Bulgaria      29      28      1      4%