Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Sean Q on 04 October, 2023, 02:26:26 pm
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I am toying with the idea of entering this as probably my last chance before the age cut-off date :D. I have a non-audaxing friend who is a very strong cyclist who may be interested. However I see in the regulations something about homologation via a ride such as LEL or PBP which he doesn't have. He is more than capable of doing an SR in 2024 but would that be enough to be able to enter? Anyone have any idea?
Thanks
Sean
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Basically the entrant needs to convince the organiser that they understand the ride's demands and that they have a good chance of finishing. Previously finishing a similar brevet makes that a box-ticking exercise. Your friend might want to explain in his entry that an experienced audaxer (you) has briefed him regarding long brevets and that he is sufficiently strong to get round in time (what has he achieved recently).
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Thanks for drawing my attention to this: https://1001migliaitalia.it/
1001 Miglia Italia 2024 Green Reverse, 16 - 22 August
What does Green Reverse mean? They have colour-coded routes for different editions or something?
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The previous MMs went clockwise (2024 is anti-clockwise) and the jersey's and event's colour scheme was mostly red. I suspect the green is from the other main Italian colour.
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The previous MMs went clockwise (2024 is anti-clockwise) and the jersey's and event's colour scheme was mostly red. I suspect the green is from the other main Italian colour.
Ta.
We've penciled this one in. Enjoyed ALPI4000 and I've not ridden any of this route before so should be interesting if we can make it over.
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Seems recumbents and velomobiles are required to mount a flagpole to have "reflective bands larger than 30cm x 5cm" flying at at least 140cm above the ground :facepalm: And helmets compulsory for everyone :-*
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Yup. Medical certificates or a road racing licence required for Italian events too.
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I was considering this as an option as previously put it off in the past due to the need to get a medical certificate. I have since obtained a certificate for ALPI400 and the 6+6 ajo sardegna. Its a minor administrative annoyance and was worth the effort.
However, I don't think I fancy the pan flat 400km across the Po Valley after more than 1000km of riding. May wait for the route to be reversed again.
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Yup. Medical certificates or a road racing licence required for Italian events too.
Yeah, for ALPI, we had to get a medical cert and submit it to what looked like some kind of national sports participation medical cert governing body (https://www.alpi4000.it/en/datahealth)
If you can't get to your GP I've used https://www.sportsmedicalcertificates.com/ in the past.
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It's also valid for a year, so managed to get into both ALPI4000 and 6+6 this year on the one certificate.
I have pencilled this in for my continued attempt on the Italian grand brevet series, which I thought required four rides, but having checked https://www.audaxitalia.it/index.php?pg=grand_tour_italia, need to get all six and now more tempted by Sicily nonstop (20-23 May according to https://www.facebook.com/SiciliaNoStop/), partly because can then get the sleeper (or day train) to Palermo that goes on the ferry.
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It's also valid for a year, so managed to get into both ALPI4000 and 6+6 this year on the one certificate.
Yeah, that was handy. I used it for AMR. Annoying that it's needed though - "bro, do you know what I do for a hobby? Look at my Strava!" :D
I'm waiting to see if I get a place in Mittelgebirge Classique, but if not, I've penciled in the Sicily event.
Sicily nonstop thread from previous:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=123096.0
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Just realised I'm definitely out for 1001 Miglia next year as it falls on the missus's birthday and she has already bought tickets for PJ Harvey at Gunnersbury Park then.
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I'm in! Entered at 23:03 last night. Only tricky bit was what to enter for the mandatory "Tax Code". I just put NA but if guess my UK NI (or US SSN) number might have been appropriate too.
Not sure when I'll travel out, tempted to take a few days and see if I can tour up over Stelvio. Coming down from Innsbruck would be awesome but complicates bike box/extra luggage arrangements
I've already booked the flight back, 3pm on the 22nd to Manchester, to keep open the crazy idea (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124572.msg2855164#msg2855164) of doing B&F recovery ride. More likely I'll be there to sleep and support 😅
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I looked at it last night with 2hr to go on the clock and went to bed. Probably should throw an entry in.
I'd also had Borders and Flatlands pencilled in but that looks to be full already. Oh well. (There's is a 1000k from Ghent on the same weekend..)
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Ok, looks like I'm poorer and the grrl and I are riding this.
Similar logistics (London to Milan) and paperwork (medical nonsense) to the ALPI4000.
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I'm in! Entered at 23:03 last night. Only tricky bit was what to enter for the mandatory "Tax Code". I just put NA but if guess my UK NI (or US SSN) number might have been appropriate too.
Yeah the 'Tax code' confused me. No idea what they need? Surely not employment tax code. NI seems more likely I guess. If anyone knows please let me know.
I've emailed the organisers, so if I hear back, will let you know.
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I'm in! Entered at 23:03 last night. Only tricky bit was what to enter for the mandatory "Tax Code". I just put NA but if guess my UK NI (or US SSN) number might have been appropriate too.
Yeah the 'Tax code' confused me. No idea what they need? Surely not employment tax code. NI seems more likely I guess. If anyone knows please let me know.
I've emailed the organisers, so if I hear back, will let you know.
I just put NA for now. If they want my tax code, they can start paying me and then I'll think about providing it. :)
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The 'tax code'/codice fiscale is the Italian equivalent of a National Insurance number. No idea why they'd want it for a brevet.
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This the reply I got back from the organisers 'tax code is referred to TIN - national identification number'
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I seem to remember in 2010 they asked for various details that they didn't need and had various rulz (like no tri-bars) that they had copied from PBP and not checked - which they didn't enforce. But regs may have changed since.
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This the reply I got back from the organisers 'tax code is referred to TIN - national identification number'
Just sounds like they want to ensure the person entered is the one who rides. Which they could get by just asking that you bring acceptable forms of photo ID, passport for international entrants etc.
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Update, I asked for confirmation, its seems NIC or passport no. is fine. "enter n° passport or n° health national"
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Also just a sanity check before I get the credit card out.
I completed LEL2022, so all I have to do is a 600km BRM before 1st July 2024, and get a medical certificate from my doctor, is that correct?
I intend to drive there, camp or b&b the night before, and presumably I can leave my car at the starting control for the duration of the event?
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Also just a sanity check before I get the credit card out.
I completed LEL2022, so all I have to do is a 600km BRM before 1st July 2024, and get a medical certificate from my doctor, is that correct?
I intend to drive there, camp or b&b the night before, and presumably I can leave my car at the starting control for the duration of the event?
I haven't looked at the rules, but I kind of hoped having done PBP last year (and a dozen 1200+ kms to date) I would be OK without specific qualifiers this year. I *think* I'll be doing a 600km sometime before this ride this year, but this focuses the mind to actually make that happen :)
I suspect my med cert will look uncannily like my Marmotte certs from 2023 and 2018
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The relevant rule is:
The 1001 Miglia Italia is open exclusively to cyclists and cycle amateurs who:
2.4) have obtained at least one of the approvals listed below:
- homologation in one of the following events: 1001MI- LEL- PBP or other patent >1200km carried out starting from the year
2021 and approved exclusively by the ACP/BRM;
- homologation, in the period between the year 2023 and within 01 July 2024, of a BRM qualification patent "Brevet Randonneurs
Mondiaux" of 600 km organized in Italy or abroad, and approved exclusively by the ACP.
My bold.
So I read that as PBP2023 or LEL2022 are good - no other qualifying rides required.
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I think you are right, re-reading it :)
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need advise , insights on event details ,training from someone who has done this before. also how would it compare to LEL22 edition in terms of climbing.
cheers
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Sorry, I haven't ridden it before but I guess:
1. it will be warmer
2. my route in RWGPS shows 21,000m of climbing so compare that with whatever LEL has.
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It will be warmer. I was lucky to do it in a relatively cool year (2010) where the temperature never got about 35C. I deliberately trained in hot weather in the UK (June 2010 offered a few 30C days) and I was able to manage, although the day through Tuscany when it was at its hottest was on my limit. It is hillier than LEL and the hills tend to be much longer - though not truly alpine there are several ascents of 5 - 10km at 6%+ and 2 or 3 very long gradually drags of 20km+. Because the Po valley section (400km) has virtually no climbing at all - the stages that are hilly are properly hilly.
The good news is that with the average speed you do have the opportunity to take those stages steadily and recover.
I go a little less well in the heat now that I have done, which is why I am not tempted this year. I was just about OK with 32C on PBP this year, but if I had five days like that I would struggle.
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I’m undecided about aero bars for this event due to the hills, but then there is the last flat 400km. Any advice from anyone that has done it before?
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I will go with Aerobars for sure, given the amount of climbing my hands will be quite sore so to be able to have a position with no pressure on the wrists is key for me. Still haven't decided on the bike, the comfy 15kg machine or a speedier thing :-).
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If you can ride aerobars, why wouldn't you? I've never taken mine off and I've ridden some pretty hilly stuff (Transpyrenees and Mille du Sud spring to mind).
Weight is almost irrelevant (unless you're racing Pog up mountains) but comfort certainly is.
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Is it normal for Italian events to want this much stuff? Can't say I'm super enthusiastic about sending copies of passports / ID docs around the internet for a bike ride.
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We remind you, if you haven't already done so, to upload the following list of documents (by June 30, 2024) necessary for the final validation of your registration by accessing your personal area (using the email and password used during registration) on the website www.1001migliaitalia.it:
REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS to be provided before the start (from 15 January till 30 June 2024).
Starting from January 15, 2024, by accessing your personal area (mail and password used during the registration) on the website www.1001migliaitalia.it , you will have to upload the following list of documents necessary for the definitive validation of your registration:
ALL CYCLISTS
- Copy of the front and back of the personal identity card or passport (valid until 22 August 2024)
- Competitive medical certificate, issued after 02 - OCTOBER - 2023, valid for 1(ONE) year. For foreign cyclists Download ANNEX-E Medical Certificate for foreing cyclists - Ciclism sport activity
- Indicate the name and place of the cycling license > 600KM and related personal approval number
CYCLISTS REGISTERED for a sports club recognized by the UCI (International Cycling Union) and/or FCI (Italian Cycling Federation)
- Copy of the front and back of the Sports Club Card License (valid for the year 2024) recognized by U.C.I ((International Cycling Union)
CYCLISTS NOT REGISTERED for a sports club recognized by the UCI (International Cycling Union) and/or FCI (Italian Cycling Federation):
- Copy of a personal accident and liability insurance policy (civil liability), valid in Italy and for the minimum period from 10 August to 25 August 2024, translated into Italian or English.