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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #450 on: 21 July, 2011, 08:05:43 pm »

Do you know who else was outside the limit?

81    Arthur Vichot (Fra) FDJ    0:35:40    
82    Mickaël Delage (Fra) FDJ         
83    Bernhard Eisel (Aut) HTC-Highroad         
84    Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Leopard Trek         
85    Sandy Casar (Fra) FDJ         
86    Christian Knees (Ger) Sky Procycling         
87    Daniel Oss (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale         
88    Sebastian Lang (Ger) Omega Pharma-Lotto         
89    Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team         
90    Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto         
91    Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quickstep Cycling Team         
92    Sébastien Turgot (Fra) Team Europcar         
93    André Greipel (Ger) Omega Pharma-Lotto         
94    Manuel Quinziato (Ita) BMC Racing Team         
95    Andrey Amador Bakkazakova (CRc) Movistar Team         
96    Mark Cavendish (GBr) HTC-Highroad         
97    Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Leopard Trek         
98    Perrig Quemeneur (Fra) Team Europcar         
99    Andriy Grivko (Ukr) Pro Team Astana         
100    Grega Bole (Slo) Lampre - ISD         
101    Simon Gerrans (Aus) Sky Procycling         
102    Sébastien Hinault (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale         
103    Cyril Gautier (Fra) Team Europcar         
104    Marco Marcato (Ita) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team         
105    Tony Gallopin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
106    José Ivan Gutierrez Palacios (Spa) Movistar Team         
107    Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad         
108    Jérémie Galland (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
109    Matthew Harley Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad         
110    Jimmy Engoulvent (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
111    Mark Renshaw (Aus) HTC-Highroad         
112    Tejay Van Garderen (USA) HTC-Highroad         
113    Grischa Niermann (Ger) Rabobank Cycling Team         
114    Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre - ISD         
115    Denys Kostyuk (Ukr) Lampre - ISD         
116    Danilo Hondo (Ger) Lampre - ISD         
117    Blel Kadri (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale         
118    David Millar (GBr) Team Garmin-Cervelo         
119    Alessandro Vanotti (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale         
120    Adriano Malori (Ita) Lampre - ISD         
121    Alan Perez Lezaun (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi         
122    Paolo Longo Borghini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale         
123    Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Spa) Sky Procycling         
124    Thor Hushovd (Nor) Team Garmin-Cervelo         
125    Benjamin Noval Gonzalez (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard         
126    Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team         
127    Maciej Paterski (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale         
128    Addy Engels (Ned) Quickstep Cycling Team         
129    Anthony Delaplace (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
130    Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Quickstep Cycling Team         
131    Kristijan Koren (Slo) Liquigas-Cannondale         
132    Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team         
133    Philippe Gilbert (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto         
134    Tomas Vaitkus (Ltu) Pro Team Astana         
135    Fabio Sabatini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale         
136    Björn Leukemans (Bel) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team         
137    Jérémy Roy (Fra) FDJ         
138    Romain Zingle (Bel) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
139    Lars Ytting Bak (Den) HTC-Highroad         
140    Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek         
141    Nicki Sörensen (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard         
142    Julien El Fares (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
143    Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling         
144    Francisco José Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team         
145    Tristan Valentin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
146    Samuel Dumoulin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
147    Mikhail Ignatyev (Rus) Katusha Team         
148    Arnaud Coyot (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
149    Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Quickstep Cycling Team         
150    Ben Swift (GBr) Sky Procycling         
151    Brian Vandborg (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard         
152    Leonardo Fabio Duque (Col) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
153    Sébastien Minard (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale         
154    Anthony Roux (Fra) FDJ         
155    Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo         
156    Danny Pate (USA) HTC-Highroad         
157    Vincent Jerome (Fra) Team Europcar         
158    Mickaël Buffaz (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne         
159    Maciej Bodnar (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale         
160    Matteo Tosatto (Ita) Saxo Bank Sungard         
161    Jonathan Hivert (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
162    Yohann Gene (Fra) Team Europcar         
163    Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) Team RadioShack         
164    Niki Terpstra (Ned) Quickstep Cycling Team         
165    Marcus Burghardt (Ger) BMC Racing Team         
166    Borut Bozic (Slo) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team         
167    Laurent Mangel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
168    Marcel Sieberg (Ger) Omega Pharma-Lotto

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #451 on: 21 July, 2011, 08:46:44 pm »
My word, Tommy Voeckler turned himself inside out at the top, what a star!
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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #452 on: 21 July, 2011, 08:51:41 pm »
Tour cycling is right up there with Test Cricket and the World Paint Drying1 Championships when it comes to spectator sports - but that was excellent TV viewing  :thumbsup:.

Top work to the Yellow Jersey for hanging on to it!

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #453 on: 21 July, 2011, 09:07:17 pm »
Tommy Voeckler is the new Rocky Balboa! :thumbsup:
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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #454 on: 21 July, 2011, 09:25:43 pm »
Please do not let the Aussie win  :hand:

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #455 on: 21 July, 2011, 09:49:33 pm »
Brilliantly played by Leopard Trek today in providing a babysitter for Andy down the hill. His descending before he caught Monfort was nailbitingly bad...

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #456 on: 21 July, 2011, 11:19:51 pm »

Do you know who else was outside the limit?

81    Arthur Vichot (Fra) FDJ    0:35:40    
82    Mickaël Delage (Fra) FDJ         
83    Bernhard Eisel (Aut) HTC-Highroad         
84    Linus <snip>Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team         
167    Laurent Mangel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun         
168    Marcel Sieberg (Ger) Omega Pharma-Lotto

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm.... perhaps they need to redefine the time limits.
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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #457 on: 21 July, 2011, 11:23:51 pm »
Posted by: gonzo
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I wonder how much time Vockler would have if the TV car hadn't taken out two of his breakaway companions?

The more I think about this, the more I think that the taking out of Flecher and Hoogerland possibly robbed Voeckler of a chance of winning this tour.   Both of them are riders who would have ridden their socks off in that break, but the result of the incident was that Voeckler was left with two riders whose contribution to the break was minimal. 

Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #458 on: 21 July, 2011, 11:29:44 pm »
Posted by: gonzo
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I wonder how much time Vockler would have if the TV car hadn't taken out two of his breakaway companions?

The more I think about this, the more I think that the taking out of Flecher and Hoogerland possibly robbed Voeckler of a chance of winning this tour.   Both of them are riders who would have ridden their socks off in that break, but the result of the incident was that Voeckler was left with two riders whose contribution to the break was minimal.

I doubt it. By the time the accident happened it was clear that they would stay away from the peloton. The only one that would benefit from making the gap as big as possible was Voeckler. Both Flecha and Hoogerland would've kept their work to a minimum, to be able to run off or win the sprint.
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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #459 on: 22 July, 2011, 05:52:05 am »
One thing's for certain - Voeckler's never going to be allowed to join an early break again, at least not without a fight
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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #460 on: 22 July, 2011, 08:41:33 am »

I doubt it. By the time the accident happened it was clear that they would stay away from the peloton. The only one that would benefit from making the gap as big as possible was Voeckler. Both Flecha and Hoogerland would've kept their work to a minimum, to be able to run off or win the sprint.

What if???  If only ...

There is also the fact that Sparticus called a truce behind.  There is no way Tommy would have got the jersey AT ALL if there was not a crash behind.  He got lucky.

Only Andy and Cuddly 'deserve' the final yellow.


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« Reply #461 on: 22 July, 2011, 08:44:52 am »
Of course having Voeckler as the caretaker of the yellow has served a purpose for the other contenders, but they'll be wanting it back now.

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« Reply #462 on: 22 July, 2011, 08:48:58 am »
I was impressed that Evans did not panic.  He just stuck to his plan and then rode it his way.  He gradually clawed back some time but hopefully not killing his legs in the process.  Respect to Mr Evans.

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« Reply #463 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:05:19 am »
Of course having Voeckler as the caretaker of the yellow has served a purpose for the other contenders, but they'll be wanting it back now.

Quite so .... but I suspect they rather thought they'd have had it back before now.
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TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #464 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:18:21 am »
Chapeau to Evans, he limited his potential loss, and probably finished off Contador and Sanchez.  :thumbsup:

Well, have to admit I'm surprised at the explosion of Sanchez. Thought he was looking very strong. And so much for Contador looking like he was finding some form...

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Voeckler's still in yellow and neither Schleck has enough of a cushion over Evans yet.

Aye. Chapeau to Schleck, but if he ends up losing this Tour by seconds, he'll regret not pushing harder on Luz Ardiden - if indeed he was able to...

So, Frank's turn to attack today?

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« Reply #465 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:21:53 am »
I've got a lot of respect for Pierre Rolland, he was the only team mate of any of the GC riders who was able to stay the distance on the Galibier. He has looked comfortable on a number of the big climbs over the last few stages. Good old Tommy, I've been saying each morning "If he stays in yellow today, I'll show my arse in Woolies window" and every day, there he is, still in yellow.
How he got there is not really relevant now, he's doing the ride of his life each day to keep the damn thing. However, if he stays in yellow after today I really will have to find a cheap stationary, music and toy retailer to reveal my buttocks......
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« Reply #466 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:23:07 am »
I am not a fan of his annoying voice and he has a face for radio, but I NOW want Cadel Evans to win.  He deserves to win after all those years of trying and not getting it right, of crashing of having others that are 'prepared' better in front of him.  No, this year the Aussie battler has to win.

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« Reply #467 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:27:17 am »
I was impressed that Evans did not panic.  He just stuck to his plan and then rode it his way.  He gradually clawed back some time but hopefully not killing his legs in the process.  Respect to Mr Evans.

Suspect that effort will have hurt Cadel. Looks like gonzo called it perfectly (hat-tip) - Frank will be fresh after keeping quiet yesterday so probably his turn to attack today while Andy just marks Cadel? Cadel probably needs someone like Basso or Cunego - or maybe even Sanchez or Contador - to attack the Schlecks and try to disrupt their tactics.

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« Reply #468 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:29:33 am »
I want Tommy to win now. It would be brilliant and France would explode.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #469 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:36:28 am »
Andrew Schelck's attack yesterday was incredible. Reminded me of Floyd Landis.  ;)

Evans was brilliant. Tactically he was very astute letting the younger Schleck go up the road rather than get into a situation where both Schlecks were alternating attacks. It's a shame though that no one was willing to help him reel in Schleck, particularly Europcar.

Voekler was obviously just hanging on and I can't see him being able to do it again athough I'd love to be proved wrong.

Today, they go over the Galibier again (the hard way this time) and then finish on Alpe d'Huez. I predict that Frank Schleck will win on Alpe d'Huez and may even take the MJ. I don't think Alpe d'Huez will suit Evans at all: the 21 hairpins will constantly disrupt his rhythm. Hopefully he'll be able to minimise his losses and claw enough back in Saturday's TT to win the Tour.
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« Reply #470 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:43:52 am »
I think today could be a bigger challenge for Cav than yesterday. It'll be another struggle to make the time limit.

Even if he finishes in a big group outside the time limit, the 20% rule only gives the jury the discretion to give the hors delais riders another chance. They are not obliged to and they might just be tempted to exclude them for finishing outside the cut, especially as it would be the second day in a row. Probably not if it was 50% of the field like yesterday, but if it's 'only' 20% ...

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« Reply #471 on: 22 July, 2011, 09:49:50 am »
I think today could be a bigger challenge for Cav than yesterday. It'll be another struggle to make the time limit.

Even if he finishes in a big group outside the time limit, the 20% rule only gives the jury the discretion to give the hors delais riders another chance. They are not obliged to and they might just be tempted to exclude them for finishing outside the cut, especially as it would be the second day in a row. Probably not if it was 50% of the field like yesterday, but if it's 'only' 20% ...

20% rule etc from inrng

I'm not absolutely certain about this and you could be spot on but I suspect that it will be (slightly) easier today because he (and the rest of the grupetto) know that they can recover in tomorrow's TT.
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« Reply #472 on: 22 July, 2011, 10:07:39 am »
All the rules in Le Tour seem to be made up as they go along. They have things like the 20% rule then just bend or break them. So it would seem the rules aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I think docking them all 20 points was the fairest thing to do in the situation though. The only other options being booting them all out or doing nothing.

Hopefully Cav will make it today (the stage is considerably shorter than yesterday) and not be affected by it all come Paris...
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« Reply #473 on: 22 July, 2011, 10:30:17 am »
the "hors delai" rule seems to be there to show that it's no good just winning sprints you have to be able to mix it up the hills too. But like all Tour rules it seems to change from day to day.

I imagine that the 88 riders yesterday prolly included a few entire teams, the organisers would look a bit daft having to take all their hoardings down on Sunday  ;)

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Re: TdF 2011 general discussion thread - likely to contain spoilers
« Reply #474 on: 22 July, 2011, 10:35:35 am »
If there is a very small time gap after the TT will they race on sunday or is sunday just a procession?
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