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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #650 on: 06 April, 2010, 07:32:15 pm »
Hope to see you there. What have the turnouts been like?
13.55 to beat.

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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #651 on: 07 April, 2010, 09:14:46 pm »
Well, Brian beat his time of last year. He also beat me by 10s.

I had forgotten just how hard that was.

It was a full field, and plenty of ladies and youths too. Hard into the wnd on the outward leg. I suffered like crazy on the early lumps but settled up to the turn and was much better coming back. Pleased to only be a few seconds off my PB of last year.

14.03. My clubmate Tim the unpronounceable (you had to be there) did 14.04 so I had a second helping of smug.

HRM trace. Click for notes.

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #652 on: 08 April, 2010, 11:55:47 am »

HRM trace. Click for notes.

May I critique? If the course was lumpy, your race HRM looks pretty consistent (168-180-ish?). There's no point trying to sit bang on your "optimum" if the gradient (or wind) is varying. Pretty close is pretty good.

Your warm-up is a bit odd - your hardest effort is barely after you started!
The ideal is steadily increasing bursts (with enough time before the off to recover). Of course I don't know the layout of the start area etc, so you may well have just made the best of things. I've never downloaded my HRM data, so it would probably reveal a tale much worse than yours!

I must suggest a few 5milers down here for early season ...
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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #653 on: 08 April, 2010, 01:13:24 pm »
Yes, the warmup is a bit strange. I wasn't watching the HRM at all - no readout, it just logs.

The course isn't lumpy. It has a fair drag from about 1 mile to 2, then some bends which possibly could be taken full gas with some courage.

I had meant to do about a ten minute gentle spin, then some increasing efforts. but the best laid plans etc. Might take the rollers next time and the HRM with a readout.

I was surprised at how consistent the HR trace was. It was probably a wee bit over the optimum. Riding on the maxim of "if it doesn't hurt, ride faster. If it does hurt, ride faster."
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #654 on: 08 April, 2010, 10:18:58 pm »
Looks like you were working pretty hard! I'm still pondering how hard I should try and go on my first ever 25 this Sunday - is it a really long 10 or a half-distance 50?
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #655 on: 10 April, 2010, 02:40:35 pm »
If it's your first 25, I would doubt that you could ride it as  two and a half 10s. Stay well within yourself for the first half, then gradually pile it on - you should have enough left to give the last 3 or 4 miles some stick. Doing good TTs has a lot to with knowing the course, and knowing what your body is telling you!

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #656 on: 10 April, 2010, 06:17:07 pm »
EWCC 17 mile hilly next weekend will be my first of the season.

Rig of Jarkness

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #657 on: 10 April, 2010, 09:23:10 pm »
Event Organiser Support

The individual entry form should do. Some of it depends on the event. Fife midweeks - sign on on the line. Local opens - just tell the organiser whn you see him/her on the club run.
 

David, thanks for the link...yes, event organiser support, just where I'd expect to find an entry form !  (Down south we used to complain about the stealth and obscurity of the RTTC but the SCU surpass them by an order of magnitude...)
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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #658 on: 10 April, 2010, 10:13:41 pm »
Event Organiser Support

The individual entry form should do. Some of it depends on the event. Fife midweeks - sign on on the line. Local opens - just tell the organiser whn you see him/her on the club run.
 

David, thanks for the link...yes, event organiser support, just where I'd expect to find an entry form !  (Down south we used to complain about the stealth and obscurity of the RTTC but the SCU surpass them by an order of magnitude...)

 ;D It takes years of training to be that awkward.

Have you ridden the course (FI-1) before? My predictions are Steve Nutley  for the win. He is going like a train at the moment.

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Rig of Jarkness

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #659 on: 11 April, 2010, 08:19:53 am »
No, I've not ridden any of the courses in Fife.  I'm just trying to psyche myself up to entering something local to Embra for the moment.   
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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #660 on: 11 April, 2010, 01:12:55 pm »
Hope you did OK today. If you like that course then it is the same for the midweek 10 - just turn left instead of right at the roundabout and finish as per the 25.

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #661 on: 11 April, 2010, 06:08:56 pm »
Well I got a new PB  :thumbsup:, but given that it was my first attempt at a 25 that was inevitable. Brilliant weather, lots of fast times and the winner (can't remember the name but he was riding for Sandy Wallace) did a 53. I really struggled to get going - not so much physically as mentally. Felt close to packing for the first few miles, just didn't want to be there. Perked up a bit after the turn - once I'd resigned myself to a worse than hoped for time I just got on with the pedalling. Did 1:09:46 which is actually a bit slower than the 50 ride I did last August. Slightly tougher course but I was hoping for a 1:05. Didn't help that my brand new Polar HRM/Cycle Computer wasn't getting a definite pick-up from the magnet so that my speed was constantly varying between 0 and my actual speed.

First outdoor ride that I've ever done with a HRM on, which I found interesting. I was pretty steady around 173BPM for the whole time, which is higher than my normal peak on the turbo! I usually ride indoors with a peak of 165. I think I need to push myself harder on the turbo, if I can do 173 for an hour then what should I be aiming for on say a 2 * 20?
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #662 on: 11 April, 2010, 07:44:36 pm »
Didn't help that my brand new Polar HRM/Cycle Computer wasn't getting a definite pick-up from the magnet so that my speed was constantly varying between 0 and my actual speed.

First outdoor ride that I've ever done with a HRM on, which I found interesting. I was pretty steady around 173BPM for the whole time, which is higher than my normal peak on the turbo! I usually ride indoors with a peak of 165. I think I need to push myself harder on the turbo, if I can do 173 for an hour then what should I be aiming for on say a 2 * 20?
If using an HRM, i have no idea why you would pay attention to a speedo - maybe it's just me!

This is probably one for the Intervals thread, but I don't think your intervals should be any harder than your 25 pace. I'll have to re-read the Science, but I think 2*20min interval HR is probably about = 25mile HR. But probably best to read the other thread ... ! (I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but training is like that - who'd have thought that riding SLOWLY was beneficial?!?)

Anyway ... my first of the season today - 11am start, very relaxed, nice ride over and home with some other riders, lovely morning out.
I finished 10secs ahead of someone with surname Tantrum !
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #663 on: 12 April, 2010, 11:06:44 pm »

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed


 I struggled on my first TT yesterday, one lap of the Cudham Lane course, I hate it at the best of times but being so unfit at the moment  :-X :(

11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear

 First time I have worn a heart rate monitor on a TT  163bpm max 151bpm average
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David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #664 on: 14 April, 2010, 09:30:38 pm »
First midweek ten of the year. Out with a tailwind, back into the wind. Felt not too bad. Passed my minute and 2 minute men. Got passed by my minus 1 and minus2 men. Very chill wind.

27.43 which is the fastest I have done at this point in the season. My legs will hurt tomorrow.

These events are getting popular - 8 riders turned away leaving a full field of 45. Priority given to club riders so a good idea to turn up early.


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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #665 on: 14 April, 2010, 09:43:10 pm »
These events are getting popular - 8 riders turned away leaving a full field of 45. Priority given to club riders so a good idea to turn up early.
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I was speaking to one of my clubmates earlier this week and he said they were getting really popular - hopefully there'll be space for me sometime when I get my TT bike sorted  :thumbsup:

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #666 on: 14 April, 2010, 09:46:52 pm »
My club has instituted a pre-booking system - which suits me, after being turned away last year.  It's great they are so popular, but i'd like to know that I'm going to get a ride if I turn up.
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #667 on: 14 April, 2010, 09:53:59 pm »
My club has instituted a pre-booking system - which suits me, after being turned away last year.  It's great they are so popular, but i'd like to know that I'm going to get a ride if I turn up.

Another of my clubmates didn't go tonight as he didn't fancy being turned away...difficult to know what to do in the circumstances - too many people turned away or not turning up might lead to numbers dwindling; increasing the field leads to additional costs and responsibilities....

But it might lead to more DAs running more TTs  :thumbsup:

David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #668 on: 14 April, 2010, 10:26:31 pm »
You are with ABC? RG was third or fourth tonight.

Would ABC be interested in starting a tayside league along similar lines to the fife one? We'd have to identify a few suitable courses but I'd be much keener to have events I could ride to rather than driving across Fife to not get a ride. There would be interest from the North Fifers as well.

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #669 on: 14 April, 2010, 10:36:42 pm »
You are with ABC? RG was third or fourth tonight.

Would ABC be interested in starting a tayside league along similar lines to the fife one? We'd have to identify a few suitable courses but I'd be much keener to have events I could ride to rather than driving across Fife to not get a ride. There would be interest from the North Fifers as well.

..d

I can't speak for the club, but I would think it'd be an idea worth raising at the next DA meeting?

A couple of ABC members were in Fife last weekend doing their TT timekeepers course...


I'll ask at the Nick Hardy RR on Sunday about potential interrest.  I know the ABC duathlon is well subscribed and there is a growing number of triathletes, so maybe it could be another opportunity for events...

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #670 on: 14 April, 2010, 11:17:42 pm »
Okay, question asked on ABC forum.... :thumbsup:

David Martin

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #671 on: 14 April, 2010, 11:38:58 pm »
If wee can get the two(three?) dundee clubs, ABC and Perth to organise a couple of events each around the existing events then that makes a series. Join with Fife for the midweek 25s etc.

Courses would be interesting.
ideas:
From Balgavie to Friockheim then completing the circuit by turning left  makes a '10' (and has car parking). I can construct a course on the Carse with little problem. I'm sure there is scope for a perthwards course and so on.

If there is the desire then it can be done.
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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #672 on: 14 April, 2010, 11:43:48 pm »
I'm keen to give TT a go, and I know some ABC members are already established TTers and others would turn up...sounds like a good idea  :thumbsup:

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #673 on: 15 April, 2010, 08:09:04 pm »
First 'Severn RC Evening 10' last night. On the UC186 course.
Good conditions with only a gentle breeze  :-\ but dry and sunny.

I got round in 25:12, which I was fairly pleased with as this was first of season.
PB'd last year at 24:26 so will attempt to better  ;D

A good attendance with nearly 50 riders, and many youngsters out.

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #674 on: 18 April, 2010, 07:00:53 pm »
Baptism of fire: first TT of the year, a 17 mile hilly. Dragged E and my daughter along to marshal. 51 entries. Finished in 41 something or other. My legs stopped hurting after seven miles. It didn't help that it was cold enough for a frost this morning.