Bummer, Nutty :(
I hope they're having a Grand Opening Ceremony.
We can all show up and cycle along the road.
What the hell can we do?
And the door zone thing, it looks from the photo as if any opening car door will take the whole cycle lane, not just the 0.5m (or 43cm - I suppose they're counting the width of the white line as part of the zone?) alloted.
I use the Prittlewell Chase lanes most days, quite happy to do so.
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Part of the driving public in Southend is becoming very hostile to cyclists from what I am seeing.
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!(nuttyy on kathyss iphhome.)
What I find hard to understand is that Southend is supposed to be a Cycle Town but there exists a great deal of animosity between the Council and the resident Cyclists? The Council also has problems with other planning developments.
Perhaps somebody should attempt to cure the problem and to stop fighting. I am sure this could improve your circumstances.
Reconcilliation is clearly needed ;)
Also it seems from my reading here that Southend is the only Council in the UK that has these issues?
!(nuttyy on kathyss iphhome.)
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Perhaps somebody should attempt to cure the problem and to stop fighting. I am sure this could improve your circumstances.
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Bad points in my mind.
The Cycling Group is open to organisations, groups and individuals that wish to become involved in the Cycling Southend Programme to promote Southend as a Cycling Town. The Group will appoint two representatives to the Cycling Southend Stakeholder Group to represent the views of the cycle user particularly in matters of design and cycling promotion.
Primarily the Group will offer sound practical advice to the Project Board and harness the experience and enthusiasm of Southend cyclists, particularly in relation to:-
Receiving reports and updates from the Borough Council on the progress of schemes and future plans;
Commenting on proposals and offering constructive advice working with the Project Board;
Bringing ideas and proposals forward that support the aims and objectives of the Cycling Southend Programme via their representation on the Stakeholder Group
Helping with awareness raising promotions and events;
Participating in road safety events to raise the profile of safer cycling;
Working with the Council`s “Bike Squad” to promote cycling to employers, schools, public etc.
... 'even if its bad, its better to do something rather than nothing' >:(
... 'even if its bad, its better to do something rather than nothing' >:(
... 'even if its bad, its better to do something rather than nothing' >:(
I await this policy being carried over to the road network. If it's good enough for cyclists...
They'll swerve onto the cycle lane won't they
I have now received a copy of the drawings in preparation for Monday's meeting.
I don't know which of these best expresses my feelings.
:hand: >:( :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
In the OP you'll see a link to streetview, which shows parked cars, and my photo from the same location without parking bays. You'll also see a photo of a car separated from the cycle lane by a "0.5m buffer" (their words).
The plans show that the car parking spaces will return, with a 0.5m buffer.
Where the cycle path goes in front of the casino there is no buffer zone at all. Each week as I commute along here I often see a car dropping off passengers or a taxi picking them up. Will these cars park on the cycle path, or immediately alongside it in the carriageway?
Would anybody be willing to open a book for me on the date of the first dooring incident when a passenger opens the door into the cycle path?
Where the scheme passes the casino the carriageway width marked on the plan is 3.25m.
LTN2/08 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/ltnotes/ltn208.pdf) table 2.3
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/nuttycyclist/misc/LTN2-08-table2-3.jpg)
So despite my comments that this is a commuter route and cyclists will prefer the road over the path, and despite the project manager assuring me that the road would be wide enough for cyclists to remain on-carriageway... they're painting a lane NARROWER than required for 20mph traffic. >:( >:( >:(
And don't start me on about the rest of these plans >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
1) So if I have got this right, the cycle lane from the casino, heading east, will have the prominade to the right, and parked cars to the left?
2) How will they stop cars parking right up against the kerb?
3) Then the route crosses the prominade and heads off under the pier, an area that has always had problems with flooding.
I have already noted to ask the meeting whether there will be additional painting etc on the path.
The Cycling Towns schemes are administered and funded by Cycling England aren't they?
Why not contact them?
Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=stanley+park,+vancouver&sll=51.540905,0.71149&sspn=0.193033,0.617294&ie=UTF8&hq=Stanley+Park&hnear=Stanley+Park,+Vancouver,+BC,+Canada&t=h&layer=c&cbll=49.296957,-123.134975&panoid=Mcw2mIiXxYVVsNzdd8YvKA&cbp=12,18.04,,2,8.61&ll=49.296919,-123.134851&spn=0,359.924898&z=14)
That says "Motorists Yield to Cyclists"
Can I have the collective help of the forummers please?
Can I have the collective help of the forummers please?
You mean you want some examples of good cycle routes?
Can I tempt you with some hen's teeth, or perhaps a yeti's pogo stick instead?
2 and a half hours of banging my head against a brick wall. Bloody engineer just could not or would not see why the cycle lane is dangerous saying that it had passed a safety audit. Twat. I nearly lost my rag. >:(
2 and a half hours of banging my head against a brick wall. Bloody engineer just could not or would not see why the cycle lane is dangerous saying that it had passed a safety audit. Twat. I nearly lost my rag. >:(
Critical Narrow Section 2.75 m - 3.5 m
Cars are unable to overtake cyclists with adequate clearance but some motorists
will still attempt it, even at the bottom of the width range. Lane widths between
2.75m and 3.25m should be avoided in most cases (see text).
2 and a half hours of banging my head against a brick wall. Bloody engineer just could not or would not see why the cycle lane is dangerous saying that it had passed a safety audit. Twat. I nearly lost my rag. >:(
So ask who performed the audit, what qualifications they have and if they have, and then invite them to ride the farcility with you whilst you talk them through the hazards. :demon:
I'm sure you could arrange a demonstration by Nutty of a accident occurring (opening a parked car door into his path, left hook at a junction ....)
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For additional thoughts, the carriageway here floods in heavy rain.
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I refuse to used the Eastern Esplanade section of National Canal Network 16 when it's raining for that reason!...
For additional thoughts, the carriageway here floods in heavy rain.
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They say they're sorted out the flooding problem by changing the surface levels.
I went down there at lunch time, after some rainfall. The road surface and pavement had dried out by the time I got there. There were puddles on the cycle track.
National Canal Network
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Whilst everyone was looking at and discussing the plans I also raised some questions regarding ASL’s with the engineer. I asked him to confirm how long he felt the lead in lanes should be (I already knew what the answer should be) he confirmed that they should be as long as the expected traffic queue at peak times and a minimum of 30m. After he confirmed this I asked him why the lead in to A13westbound junction with Hamlet Court was only 6 inches.... yes 6 inches not meters or feet... 6 inches... and A13eastbound junction with Milton road is only about 2 meters. The response was that they did not want to encourage cyclists to position themselves in the wrong place in the road so in some cases have reduced (or virtually removed) the lead in. Now to me this is an admission that they have realised that the lead in lanes were put in the wrong place to start with and rather than move them or add a second lead in they have simply reduced them to the point where they are useless.
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On a final note, you asked for help and ideas in promoting the Cycle Town Project. As a suggestion why not hold a cycle ride to open this new cycle track? Please can I suggest that the design team along with several councillors such as Cllr Lamb and Cllr Waite ride in a group from Chalkwell to the pier. If you can let me know the dates and times that this will take place I will be there on a cycle at the same time.
If anybody hears that this inaugural ride is to take place, please let me know. I'm suggesting a forum ride in the opposite direction :demon:No! :hand:
I think they are short chevrons for a door zone! :facepalm:
(http://forum.ctc.org.uk/download/file.php?id=5083&mode=view)
edit: back to the OP, does anybody know what the "event" is supposed to be? I can't seem to find anything on the SoS website.
Del, yes these are the door zone markings. Please can anybody let me know of a vehicle which has 0.5m wide doors :facepalm:Noddy's car is quite small. ::-)
How many Southend cyclists are there on this and other boards? Maybe we could just happen to all be cycling the seafront at the same time… (no organisers for the council to target).
Unfortunately on a darker note, are there not recorded instances of incapacitated motorists being confused at night by oncoming lights to their left which results in them swerving left to correct their misperception?
This arrangement would seem to provide all the cues necessary: no street furniture providing a visual boundary on the left, a hatched divide that could be misconstrued as a central division, a wide footpath that could appear as a carriageway, a large central division that could be perceived as the road edge on the right and oncoming cyclists as fodder.
Do you have any contacts? (pm me if you prefer). Does anybody know what the feelings towards this new path is amongst other local cycle groups (Wheelers, fortyplus, etc)? I've simply taken the collective view of everybody I've so far spoken to and expressed our joint concerns to the Council.
Please can anybody let me know of a vehicle which has 0.5m wide doors :facepalm:Errm....there's one in my garage! :-[
I used Noddy's car as a joke I didn't know you had one. ::-)Please can anybody let me know of a vehicle which has 0.5m wide doors :facepalm:Errm....there's one in my garage! :-[
I used Noddy's car as a joke I didn't know you had one. ::-)Please can anybody let me know of a vehicle which has 0.5m wide doors :facepalm:Errm....there's one in my garage! :-[
You are Big Ears AICMFP!
It's nothing like Noddy's car![/url] >:(Do the doors fall off when you stop? When you drive it do you have to wear a red nose, big shoes and a curly wig? ;D
It's a different colour.
If the sun comes out this weekend I shall be expecting our first accident.
If the sun comes out this weekend I shall be expecting our first accident.
No chance, it will be full of motorbikes this w/end :(
http://londonbikers.com/news/12787/ace-cafe-london-southend-shakedown
Please can anybody let me know of a vehicle which has 0.5m wide doors :facepalm:Errm....there's one in my garage! :-[
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I don't have any contacts, I prefer riding solo. You may have seen me about, I'm the guy on the grey Moulton (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Minitar1/Dg/DSCF0010.jpg)...
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I don't have any contacts, I prefer riding solo. You may have seen me about, I'm the guy on the grey Moulton (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Minitar1/Dg/DSCF0010.jpg)...
I also prefer riding solo so understand that.
Have I seen you some evenings near the Woodman's and heading for Hadleigh?
On a more positive note it's good to see that the council has finally removed almost all of the stupid speed humps along Shoebury East Beach, there are one or two left near the entrance but the rest have gone.
Went for a pootle with the Mrs (Domestique) this morning. Nice gentle 36 miles around Great Wakering, Canewdon and Rochford.Blimey! Did you get lost? (several times) ;)
Went for a pootle with the Mrs (Domestique) this morning. Nice gentle 36 miles around Great Wakering, Canewdon and Rochford.Blimey! Did you get lost? (several times) ;)
I might go for a ride down there Monday. Anybody else going to? I'll take a camera. It's times like this I wish I'd bought a video camera for bike use. What's the betting the unpainted lane will be obstructed by motorbikes?
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/nuttycyclist/cycling/Southend%20Cycle%20Town/141_1650.jpg)
I'll take a camera. It's times like this I wish I'd bought a video camera for bike use.
QuoteI might go for a ride down there Monday. Anybody else going to? I'll take a camera. It's times like this I wish I'd bought a video camera for bike use. What's the betting the unpainted lane will be obstructed by motorbikes?
I might be later on today. I want to get a picture of the ped crossing near the Arch's :(
Actually there is a second alternative and thats to back down and make the path one way only, as it should have been in the first place.
Took a ride eastwards along the new path at about 4.20pm today. I won't be using it again. Bear in mind when watching the video that this isn't even a particularly busy day on the seafront. Come summertime this path will be sheer murder.Thanks for riding the path and making a video of it. I shall have a look at it when it's finished but I doubt I'll ever ride it. :hand: ::-) :facepalm:
Took a ride eastwards along the new path at about 4.20pm today.
QuoteTook a ride eastwards along the new path at about 4.20pm today.
I thought that boy in the brown coat was going to do it :(
Riding eastwards I will use the road, but westwards :-\
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Actually there is a second alternative and thats to back down and make the path one way only, as it should have been in the first place.
Took a ride eastwards along the new path at about 4.20pm today. I won't be using it again. Bear in mind when watching the video that this isn't even a particularly busy day on the seafront. Come summertime this path will be sheer murder.
YouTube
- Southend's Badly Designed New Cycle Lane
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlrVSRBaDQc)
Took a ride eastwards along the new path at about 4.20pm today. I won't be using it again. Bear in mind when watching the video that this isn't even a particularly busy day on the seafront. Come summertime this path will be sheer murder.
YouTube
- Southend's Badly Designed New Cycle Lane
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlrVSRBaDQc)
I didn't find it that bad:
YouTube
- New Road Width
I didn't find it that bad:
YouTube
- New Road Width
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeamH6cWmOg)
This video doesn't work but the others do.
I rode along the Portsmouth cycle path and compared to Southend, ours is pretty good.
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Thanks for that video. Do you mind if I refer to it in future letters to the Council/Councillors?
The final point though, re using the road in the future, I don't think I will. I've cycled westerly that way a few times since the path was constructed... and I hate having wing mirrors pass under my elbow >:(
The ride was a little more crowded today…
YouTube
- Ace Cafe Southend Shakedown
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juF2xs6IuZk)
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And there Mr Nutty is the reason the cycle lane was specified in the way it was...
Ideal motorcycle parking for this type of event!!
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At most big seafront events lanes are closed for parking/stalls etc.
Thanks for that video. Do you mind if I refer to it in future letters to the Council/Councillors?
The final point though, re using the road in the future, I don't think I will. I've cycled westerly that way a few times since the path was constructed... and I hate having wing mirrors pass under my elbow >:(
I would prefer it if you used this link:
YouTube
- Southend's Dangerous New Cycle Lane
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyehqjJDkY4)
Someone's definitely going to get doored or buggied.
Totally OT, but what was the music you used? I've heard it somewhere and it's really bugging me.
Thanks for that video. Do you mind if I refer to it in future letters to the Council/Councillors?
The final point though, re using the road in the future, I don't think I will. I've cycled westerly that way a few times since the path was constructed... and I hate having wing mirrors pass under my elbow >:(
I would prefer it if you used this link:
YouTube
- Southend's Dangerous New Cycle Lane
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyehqjJDkY4)
There seemed to be nothing to denote that this is a cycle lane (not even different coloured tarmac) so pedestrians straying onto the path have no idea (other than the presence of bikes - which they seem to treat as an annoyance) that this isn't an extension of the pavement. Ours has an attempt at establishing a two-way cycle lane whilst yours is a free for all.
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To be fair, if the path was one way, ie westward only, It would be reasonable apart from the car parking spaces adjacent to the lane from Peter Pans. Thats just my opinion, others may differ.
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If using the road, once the final paint and signs go in, I expect to get abuse from drivers (although if it were a one way path then there's more reason for me to use it and I probably wouldn't be in the road).
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So far I have heard nothing in reply.Could try a tweet. http://twitter.com/cyclesouthend
BTW has anyone who attended the last cycle group meeting received the minutes etc yet?
The council seem rather slow in responding to concerns. I have emailed Cllr Waite twice in the last couple of weeks highlighting the concerns over the design of this cycle path. In the second email I also included a link to my video.I've had an out of office reply from her.
So far I have heard nothing in reply.
So far I have heard nothing in reply.Could try a tweet. http://twitter.com/cyclesouthend
Interesting she has had time to Twitter on Tuesday, but can't answer her emails.Cyclesouthend doesn't seem to have a facebook page. But if you follow nutty's link above you get to A Wa
Drivers are also saying parts of this are dangerous. Their focus is on the new parking arrangement:Brilliant comments that turn from parking to pro cycling and the use and safety of the shonky bike path.
Council’s slant on Southend seafront parking is confusing drivers (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/7986813.Council___s_slant_on_Southend_seafront_parking_is_confusing_drivers/)
Interesting she has had time to Twitter on Tuesday, but can't answer her emails.
# work commenced on priory crescent this morning, all going well at present 2:56 AM Mar 20th via web
So far I have heard nothing in reply.
The Evening Echo have been in touch. Possible photo shoot this evening. I'll post here what time I'll be stopping outside the Casino tonight.Not really surprising as the article about parking problems has transformed into dangerous cycle path and is/was the ninth most read story and second for most commented on.
The Evening Echo have been in touch. Possible photo shoot this evening. I'll post here what time I'll be stopping outside the Casino tonight.
17:45 outside the Casino. If you're passing say hello (I think I have my ACF top on today).I shall try to get there, although I'm neither photogenic or quotable. ;)
The Evening Echo have been in touch. Possible photo shoot this evening. I'll post here what time I'll be stopping outside the Casino tonight.
17:45 outside the Casino. If you're passing say hello (I think I have my ACF top on today).
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I would have thought the stretch outside the Three Shells, where the parking bays are next to the cycle path, would have been better as that is where the most danger is.
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Is it illegal to park there when the lane is not finished yet? There is yet to be any signage or proper lane lines and cycle signs there so how would the driver know? Isn't that what Mr. Loophole would say?
You wonder if they were thinking about undertaking Nutty by means of the cycle lane. :facepalm:
He didn't, he cut up me.
Isn't this what it used to be like?
I haven't lived in Southend (Hockley really) for almost 20 years, but I can't remember the seafront being especially problematic for cyclists or drivers except for high season in summer.
He didn't, he cut up me.
Ah, I see now. To be fair, he probably had to do this to avoid the oncoming cyclist (on the path) and the digger illegally parked in the cycle lane.
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... As far as I am personally aware there was no formal consultation with the public or User Groups before this project was proceeded with....
Or he could have used his mirrors and waited for me to pass.
There is a shorter thread on CycleChat about this new lane and one post says that the bins, and presumably everything else, like trees and benches, should be at least one metre from the path.
The new palms might be but the blue bins look too close.
Palms arrive on Southend seafront (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/7991956.Palms_arrive_on_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr)
8.5.3 In all cases where a cycle track or footway is bounded by a vertical feature such as a wall, railings or kerb, an additional allowance should be made, as the very edge of the path cannot be used
...Low upstand up to 150 mm - Add 200 mm
Vertical feature from 150 mm to 1.2 metres* - Add 250 mm...
Interesting she has had time to Twitter on Tuesday, but can't answer her emails.Cyclesouthend doesn't seem to have a facebook page. But if you follow nutty's link above you get to A Waste of spaceite's blog.
# Southend seafront cycle lane ‘not safe’ April 9, 2010
A NEW seafront cycle lane is an “accident waiting to happen” according to worried cyclists.
... do we have any roadie cyclists here that also are registered there?I think I am (was).
Is anybody a member of this website?
Cycle paths and palm trees create Southend 'Riviera' | road.cc | The website for pedal powered people: Road cycling, commuting, leisure cycling and racing (http://road.cc/content/news/13548-cycle-paths-and-palm-trees-create-southend-riviera)
I see they published the Council's January press release, and there is opportunity to add comment to it. I'm not a roadie so am out of my depth there, but do we have any roadie cyclists here that also are registered there?
So were the traders misled about the plans then?Probably for the same reason that the cycling DAY was cancelled after an hour last year after lobbying from the traders. MONEY!! >:(
And how come they got to see them when the Cycle Group that the Council set up specifically for this were denied access to the plans.
Was out for a ride this morning and noticed the series of very short cycle lanes in Tattersall Gardens, Hadleigh. SBC seem to like doing pointless things for cyclists:They just want us in the gutter or better still not cycling at all!
I can see the "raised white line" having a similar effect. There's one along the centre of the path beside Canvey Lake to differentiate the pedestrian and cyclist sides.Similar to the lane around the records office in Chelmsford?
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The approach that we have adopted in the design of this cycle route is similar in many ways to two-way and contra-flow cycle lanes in towns and cities across Europe (e.g. Copenhagen and Stockholm), where the only delineation between motorists and cyclists is a standard kerb. Some of these schemes are considered best practice and as a Cycling Demonstration Town this is what we also aspire to.
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...I can see the "raised white line" having a similar effect. There's one along the centre of the path beside Canvey Lake to differentiate the pedestrian and cyclist sides.Similar to the lane around the records office in Chelmsford?
Clicky (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=51.730059,0.486418&daddr=51.729083,+0.485527&geocode=&hl=en&mra=mi&mrsp=0,1&sz=18&sll=51.729248,0.48504&sspn=0.002299,0.00478&ie=UTF8&ll=51.729208,0.485786&spn=0.002299,0.00478&t=h&z=18)
2.5m minus the 0.5m for line minus the 0.2m for the kerb upstand equals 1.8m usable width.This needs to be highlighted
2.5m minus the 0.5m for line minus the 0.2m for the kerb upstand equals 1.8m usable width.This needs to be highlighted
1.8 metres in total! Not 1.8m eastbound and another 1.8m westbound.
It's 0.9m eastbound and 0.9m westbound.My bent is 52cm wide! How much wobble room does the law allow?
If there is a central divider lane painted (I'm not certain about that at present) then that will further reduce the widths!
If there is to be a formal opening ceremony I do hope families attend. Aren't the child trailers 1m in width? :demon: :demon: :demon:
Aren't the child trailers 1m in width?
My bent is 52cm wide! How much wobble room does the law allow?
WTF is Mehmet Mazhar? ???
If there is to be a formal opening ceremony I do hope families attend. Aren't the child trailers 1m in width? :demon: :demon: :demon:
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I will eat my hat if SBC hasnt just taken a few of the Copenhagen design specs that suit them ignored the ones that don't.
It's 0.9m eastbound and 0.9m westbound.My bent is 52cm wide! How much wobble room does the law allow?
If there is a central divider lane painted (I'm not certain about that at present) then that will further reduce the widths!
If there is to be a formal opening ceremony I do hope families attend. Aren't the child trailers 1m in width? :demon: :demon: :demon:
We will never know until it's over when the lane is "officially" open. ::-)
My trailer is about 0.7m wide.
The trailer is 84cm wide.
Well done clandy. :thumbsup: I think your fourth from last paragraph is well put and the best way to achieve what the SBC want for the W. Esplanade.
Well done clandy. :thumbsup: I think your fourth from last paragraph is well put and the best way to achieve what the SBC want for the W. Esplanade.
I suggested exactly that to the "Traffic Engineer" at the cycle group, his reponse was that we've got what we've got and it has been safety audited. :-\
Already in hand. :thumbsup:Well done clandy. :thumbsup: I think your fourth from last paragraph is well put and the best way to achieve what the SBC want for the W. Esplanade.
I suggested exactly that to the "Traffic Engineer" at the cycle group, his reponse was that we've got what we've got and it has been safety audited. :-\
Ask him for a copy of the safety audit. Make it clear that this is a FOI request.
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Ask him for a copy of the safety audit. Make it clear that this is a FOI request.
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Since Cllr Assenheim is the Health and Safety representative (so I believe personally responsible for issues?) will he be bringing this matter to the attention of the Health and Safety Executive, or is this down to the concerned residents/cyclists?Won't they only get involved in work related deaths and serious injury?
I have just received a reply to my (several) emails:
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It should also be noted that vehicles are now moving through the area at reduced speeds as the recent changes have brought in a natural traffic calming effect as a by-product of the scheme.
2. The kerb, which has an upstand and raised line, would in the first instance deflect and errant drivers back onto the carriageway and in the second instance alert them that they have strayed from their path via the ‘rumble’ effect the raised line would provide. It should also be noted that this scenario could occur on any pavement. Some footways in the borough have a lesser upstand than the new cycle track due to years of carriageway resurfacing.
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"The rumble effect of the line" does this mean that instead of a smooth painted line they're going to use motorway hard shoulder style rumble markings, INCREASING the risk to cyclists?
The ped. crossing near shorefield road, have you seen where the beliesha beacon is >:(I walked past there yesterday morning. They where still digging up the asphalt to put in the tactile slabs. I think the beacon is in the middle of the new path. :facepalm:
Do I need to take a camera there in the morning?
Do I need to take a camera there in the morning?Don't go on what I said, it is just a guess, Domestique knows.
You might, it all depends how p*ssed off you want to be :hand:If it's that bad I might pop down there this evening with my camera. What have they done?
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!Perhaps the instructor needs educating on use of and non use of cycle lanes! Was it a well advertised school?
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!
Video to follow...
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!Perhaps the instructor needs educating on use of and non use of cycle lanes! Was it a well advertised school?
You might, it all depends how p*ssed off you want to be :hand:If it's that bad I might pop down there this evening with my camera. What have they done?
The post is about .5m inside the drop kerb. It might not be the cycle lane at that point as it is really the ped crossing.From the pavement side?
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!Perhaps the instructor needs educating on use of and non use of cycle lanes! Was it a well advertised school?
'Lin Western', looks like a one man band school.
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!
Video to follow...
Just got shouted at, 'Get in the cycle lane!' Opposite the casino, by a driving instructor with a pupil!
Video to follow...
Which direction where you travelling, towards Southend or Chalkwell?
You might, it all depends how p*ssed off you want to be :hand:If it's that bad I might pop down there this evening with my camera. What have they done?
The post is about .5m inside the drop kerb. It might not be the cycle lane at that point as it is really the ped crossing.
YouTube
- Driving 'instructor'.shouts at other road users.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURsltmhJCs)
If you have a complaint about an instructor that you cannot sort out with them, the driving school or the contractor, you can write to the Registrar of ADIs at DSA Headquarters, Nottingham.
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...Instructor characteristics
You will also be assessed on your instructor characteristics, ie your attitude and approach to your pupil.
As part of the overall assessment, the examiner will look at:
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* your manner, patience, tact and ability to inspire confidence
She must moonlight as a bus driving and black cab instructor on the weekends.Quote...Instructor characteristics
You will also be assessed on your instructor characteristics, ie your attitude and approach to your pupil.
As part of the overall assessment, the examiner will look at:
...
* your manner, patience, tact and ability to inspire confidence
YouTube
- Driving 'instructor'.shouts at other road users.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURsltmhJCs)
YouTube
- Driving 'instructor'.shouts at other road users.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURsltmhJCs)
I get "This video is private"?
YouTube
- Driving 'instructor'.shouts at other road users.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURsltmhJCs)
I get "This video is private"?
Any news on the safety audit request?Very quiet. Very quiet indeed.
Meant to mention, spotted these two blogs recently.
Longpier: NEWS: Your thoughts on Southend's new cycle lanes (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-your-thoughts-on-southends-new.html)
Longpier: NEWS: Can you make Southend better? (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-can-you-make-southend-better.html)
Does anybody know any local businesses that will be attending the meeting on the 22nd?
Meant to mention, spotted these two blogs recently.
Longpier: NEWS: Your thoughts on Southend's new cycle lanes (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-your-thoughts-on-southends-new.html)
Longpier: NEWS: Can you make Southend better? (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-can-you-make-southend-better.html)
Does anybody know any local businesses that will be attending the meeting on the 22nd?
Isn't the Longpier blog actually Anna Waite's blog? ???
Meant to mention, spotted these two blogs recently.
Longpier: NEWS: Your thoughts on Southend's new cycle lanes (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-your-thoughts-on-southends-new.html)
Longpier: NEWS: Can you make Southend better? (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-can-you-make-southend-better.html)
Does anybody know any local businesses that will be attending the meeting on the 22nd?
Isn't the Longpier blog actually Anna Waite's blog? ???
Not certain. I know that www seasidenews net is (dots removed in order to prevent it linking).
Your thoughts?
Hi everyone
Very first post on this excellent forum.
My name is James Harrod and I'm the editor of the Longpier website mentioned on the previous page.
I would like to take this opportunity to say that Longpier.com has no affiliation to Anna Waite, nor is it related to any political party or allegiance.
Longpier.com prides itself on being a politically impartial news, sport and features site for Southend and surrounding areas. If you read the post about the cycle lanes, you will see I was canvassing opinion on the lanes themselves, because they have become such a taking point in Southend, regarding issues of safety.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and do continue to enjoy Longpier.com
James Harrod
Hi JamesMeant to mention, spotted these two blogs recently.
Longpier: NEWS: Your thoughts on Southend's new cycle lanes (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-your-thoughts-on-southends-new.html)
Longpier: NEWS: Can you make Southend better? (http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-can-you-make-southend-better.html)
Isn't the Longpier blog actually Anna Waite's blog? ???
Hi everyone
Very first post on this excellent forum.
My name is James Harrod and I'm the editor of the blog you mention above.
I would like to take this opportunity to say that Longpier.com has no affiliation to Anna Waite, nor is it related to any political party or allegiance.
Longpier.com prides itself on being a politically impartial news, sport and features site for Southend and surrounding areas. If you read the post about the cycle lanes, you will see I was canvassing opinion on the lanes themselves, because they have become such a taking point in Southend, regarding issues of safety.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and do continue to enjoy Longpier.com
James Harrod
I am not to sure what the approach is with cars/vans blocking the path.
Maybe a picture needs to be taken and emailed to the council to see how they intend to deal with the problem, and it is a problem imo.
Btw if you are around the hospital from 2-4pm today, Tuesday, there is free bike security tagging taking place by the old main entrance :thumbsup:
I am not to sure what the approach is with cars/vans blocking the path.
Maybe a picture needs to be taken and emailed to the council to see how they intend to deal with the problem, and it is a problem imo.
I have done this many times in the past but nothing gets done. The council just say 'it's a parking issue' and the Parking Enforcement say, 'We can't do anything unless we catch them actually doing it…' If it was me I would install a barrier right along the kerb in front of Ocean Beach and the Activities Centre, and paint the cycle lane like a box junction. Perhaps we need somewhere online to post photographs every time the lane is blocked.
Well done Clandy :thumbsup:
Dear Councillors,
As my current councillors for Victoria Ward, I'm writing to you regarding the driving of a Southend Borough Council employee.
I was cycling along London Road at around 11:30am this morning, approaching the traffic lights just west of the Palace Theatre:
Google Maps (http://tinyurl.com/36dzeoz)
and was overtaken very closely by a white van with the Southend Borough Council crest on the side and the vehicle registration number NY08 GHZ. The traffic lights (see picture at the link above) were red and it was therefore only a matter of seconds before I caught up with him.
I knocked on his window and said "You overtook too close - far too close." and got only a dismissive shake of the head in response.
Given that Southend is a Cycling Town and is trying to encourage more cyclists onto our roads, I would expect Council employees not only to drive with due care but also to be sufficiently courteous to other road users when challenged about their driving.
There is no reason at all for a driver to overtake a cyclist a matter of a few tens of metres from red traffic lights as they will gain nothing from doing so and they certainly shouldn't be overtaking when there is insufficient room to do so.
I trust that the driver concerned will be reminded of his duty of care to other road users and particularly rule 212 of the Highway Code:
"When passing motorcyclists and cyclists, give them plenty of room (see Rules 162-167). If they look over their shoulder it could mean that they intend to pull out, turn right or change direction. Give them time and space to do so."
Road users requiring extra care (204-225) : Directgov - Travel and transport (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069858)
I am a member of the Council's Cycle Forum and have copied this message to Sara Hadden of the Cycle Southend project and also to the Road Safety Education department via the SBC website.
I look forward to your reply.
Regards,
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Denis Walker
Co-ordinator, South East Essex Friends of the Earth
http://www.seefoe.org.uk
Every morning at around 08:15, the council dust cart drives along the cycle path collecting refuse. If they can't prevent their own vehicles from driving in a cycle lane they've got no hope of stopping other people.I got a picture this morning, unfortunately it's on my phone and I know not how to get it from the phone to t'interweb. I have no cables. Anyone help?
Every morning at around 08:15, the council dust cart drives along the cycle path collecting refuse. If they can't prevent their own vehicles from driving in a cycle lane they've got no hope of stopping other people.I got a picture this morning, unfortunately it's on my phone and I know not how to get it from the phone to t'interweb. I have no cables. Anyone help?
What's bluetooth? ;D
Yesterday:
What 2FE's video doesn't show is that the solid line on the path is of the slightly raised hump variety, not the ribbed hard shoulder type on motorways, and will be slippery in the wet! You might not have time to wobble off the path before your back wheel is on one side of the line, your front on the other, and you sprawled over/under a car.
Seen the new cycle lane at Shoebury east beach :hand:
Took the chance to get some video of the new and pointless Shoebury East Beach path this morning. Clicky Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/RFIPhzDm1uw)I suspect it's possible boat manoeuvring that is the cause of the first off road part of the path. Either that or they wanted symmetry in the google satellite shots.
Seen the new cycle lane at Shoebury east beach :hand:
Took the chance to get some video of the new and pointless Shoebury East Beach path this morning. Clicky Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/RFIPhzDm1uw)
Took the chance to get some video of the new and pointless Shoebury East Beach path this morning. Clicky Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/RFIPhzDm1uw)I suspect it's possible boat manoeuvring that is the cause of the first off road part of the path. Either that or they wanted symmetry in the google satellite shots.
I'm glad the speed humps have gone too, vicious buggers they were!
Took the chance to get some video of the new and pointless Shoebury East Beach path this morning. Clicky Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/RFIPhzDm1uw)I suspect it's possible boat manoeuvring that is the cause of the first off road part of the path. Either that or they wanted symmetry in the google satellite shots.
I'm glad the speed humps have gone too, vicious buggers they were!
The speed bumps went a couple of months back and they were really vicious little buggers
Seen the new cycle lane at Shoebury east beach :hand:
Took the chance to get some video of the new and pointless Shoebury East Beach path this morning. Clicky Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/RFIPhzDm1uw)
Plenty of pointlessness there.
<pedant> Is there any chance you can advance the timestamp on your camera by three years, three months and six days? It's displaying 24/1/2007 (upside down) at present.
Not only is he parked in the cycle lane, he is parked on double yellows. DYs are deemed by the law to extend all the way to the pavement across anything, including cycle lanes, that may be between the DYs and the pavement.
Not only is he parked in the cycle lane, he is parked on double yellows. DYs are deemed by the law to extend all the way to the pavement across anything, including cycle lanes, that may be between the DYs and the pavement.
Perfectly legal (to stop on double yellows) for loading unless there is a 'no loading' order. If he stopped for a cup of tea (ie parked) then it would be illegal.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_070563.pdf refers.
As in England the cycle path is part of the carriageway then he is not illegal. In Scotland he may well have been depending on status of the vehicle and what he is doing.
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Not only is he parked in the cycle lane, he is parked on double yellows. DYs are deemed by the law to extend all the way to the pavement across anything, including cycle lanes, that may be between the DYs and the pavement.
Perfectly legal (to stop on double yellows) for loading unless there is a 'no loading' order. If he stopped for a cup of tea (ie parked) then it would be illegal.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_070563.pdf refers.
As in England the cycle path is part of the carriageway then he is not illegal. In Scotland he may well have been depending on status of the vehicle and what he is doing.
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I've just read the page David posted and my understanding is a little different.
My understanding from that page is that you can stop for loading on a single yellow line but not on a double yellow. This also seems to be confirmed by Rule 238 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860) of the highway code.
Regardless of whether or not loading is or isn't permitted he is causing an obstruction, which IS illegal.
Regardless of whether or not loading is or isn't permitted he is causing an obstruction, which IS illegal.However - and I have this on best authority from my local plod (ok, a PCSO) when commenting about pavement parking - if you can get past then it is not an obstruction. They even gave a figure of 1 metre.
Rule 243
DO NOT stop or park
near a school entrance
anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
at or near a bus or tram stop or taxi rank
on the approach to a level crossing/tramway crossing
opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles
in front of an entrance to a property
on a bend
where you would obstruct cyclists’ use of cycle facilities
“cycle track” means a way constituting or comprised in a highway, being a way over which the public have the following, but no other, rights of way, that is to say, a right of way on pedal cycles [F3(other than pedal cycles which are motor vehicles within the meaning of [F4the Road Traffic Act 1988]] with or without a right of way on foot;
Does anybody know anybody who can substantiate this rumour?All the cabbies that stop there and traffic wardens and police who ignore them.
The casino allegedly said "no, we pay £200 per year to the council for those, you can't have them
Very sad news with the paramedic, he has had both legs amputated.
As you have not replied to my email of 11th April requesting a copy of the safety audit of the Western Esplanade cycle path, please now treat this as an official request under the Freedom of Information Act. This gives you 20 working days to comply.
Also could you please provide a copy of the report of the safety inspection of this cycle path that was carried out by Cycling England, this also to be treated as a request under the Freedom of Information Act.
Very sad news with the paramedic, he has had both legs amputated.
That is awful. Lets hope the perpetrator is given a suitable punishment and not just a slap on the wrist.
Today:
YouTube
- Pedestrians.mp4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1EpgPC0cY)
Today:
YouTube
- Pedestrians.mp4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1EpgPC0cY)
Today:
YouTube
- Pedestrians.mp4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1EpgPC0cY)
Today:
YouTube
- Pedestrians.mp4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1EpgPC0cY)
I must commend you on your restraint, if it were me I'm afraid I would have had to reinflate my Airzound.
This isn't Holland. In the UK there isn't any requirement for pedestrians to keep off a cycle path, as far as I know. Which is one of the many reasons I hate these things. (The paths, not the pedestrians...)
This isn't Holland. In the UK there isn't any requirement for pedestrians to keep off a cycle path, as far as I know. Which is one of the many reasons I hate these things. (The paths, not the pedestrians...)
Today:
YouTube
- Pedestrians.mp4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1EpgPC0cY)
I must commend you on your restraint, if it were me I'm afraid I would have had to reinflate my Airzound.
Why? Surely by doing that you just start to act like a BMW driver/white van man honking at cyclists "in the way" on the roads.
As I said before, I don't think there is any requirement for a pedestrian to keep clear of a cycle path. Blasting through with an airzound seems anti-social to me.
If we learn one thing and one thing only form Holland it should be to foster a culture of co-opperation between all road/cyclepath/pavement users.
Pedestrians are quite legally entitled to wander in the cycle lane, just as they are legally entitled to wander along a road.
If a motorist hits a pedestrian walking in the road, the pedstrian was "asking for it" and it's fair game to use a car horn on pedestrians walking in the road.
But when a pedestrian wanders along a cycle lane, the cyclist becomes the baddie all of a sudden.
It's OK for everyone to be scared of cars and be bullied out of their way, but cyclists have a bloody cheek for using a cycle lane that according to some, was built especially for us.
I stand by what I always say. Cycle paths are nothing more than legalised pavement cycling.
I detect the aroma of a very large rodent! :-\Don't tell me! They've imported Capybaras to go along with the palms haven't they! ::-)
Had a pootle from the pier to Chalkwell early on. I don't like these,
In a law situation how does this give way work?A cyclist would have to use his/her psychic sixth sense to determine what the ped is going to do because you can bet the ped won't have a clue! ::-)
A ped steps out in front you give way, or you see a ped waiting its up to you to give way?
Had a pootle from the pier to Chalkwell early on. I don't like these,
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TBNgg50u7-I/AAAAAAAAFkc/OWU53eyIJQg/s640/p6122491.jpg)
Why not have give way on the motor traffic lanes?
Popped round to Shoebury Asda yesterday to drop a film off for developing. Because I was combining it with my ride I came out the front entrance, which I don't normally do. I noticed these white lines painted on the pavement. Anyone know what they are for?
YouTube
- white lines?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oif4SpjwDk4)
Any ideas WTF the council is doing?
Is that beige paint of that shellgrip stuff?
Anyone know what they are for?It's to separate the motor traffic from the shared bike/ped lane. It's worked so well on the seafront they thought they'd try it in Shoebury. ::-)
Popped round to Shoebury Asda yesterday to drop a film off for developing. Because I was combining it with my ride I came out the front entrance, which I don't normally do. I noticed these white lines painted on the pavement. Anyone know what they are for?
YouTube
- white lines?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oif4SpjwDk4)
Sunday is the day!
New cycle track kicks off Bike Week in Southend (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8220504.New_cycle_track_kicks_off_Bike_Week_in_Southend/)
Any idea what the council is doing with this ASL?
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Any ideas WTF the council is doing?
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And I wonder how far the green will go?
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TBNghINtgaI/AAAAAAAAFkg/wjFDd7IBjcc/s640/p6122492.jpg)
Sunday is the day!
New cycle track kicks off Bike Week in Southend (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8220504.New_cycle_track_kicks_off_Bike_Week_in_Southend/)
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The Worshipful the Mayor of Southend, Councillor Ann Holland will formally cut the ribbon at 11am on Sunday 20th June to launch the track at Chalkwell Esplanade.
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The second event is a charity sponsored cycle ride - the Junior Bikeathon from 9am till 11.30am on Sunday 20th June starting from Grosvenor Road to the end of Chalkwell Esplanade at Chalkwell Station. Youngsters up to 12 years old are invited to enter this ride, being run by the charity Leukaemia and Lymphoma Research in partnership with Southend-on-Sea Borough Council and Cycle Southend. The Junior Bikeathon course is one mile long, but participants can cycle as many laps as they wish to between 9am and 11.30am.
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Now that they've painted the lanes like this it is much much worse.
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And I wonder how far the green will go?
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TBNghINtgaI/AAAAAAAAFkg/wjFDd7IBjcc/s640/p6122492.jpg)
I cycled (for the first time in ages) to work on monday. I couldn't believe it on the way home when I got here.
I'd already pooed my pants several time along the seafront when traffic buzzed me too closely (I wasn't in the cycle path as it was blocked in several places and once out of it you can't get back in). When I got here I couldn't believe the conflict introduced.
I've cycled this junction almost daily for the last ten years. Once a fortnight there is conflict with traffic trying to merge with the cyclists in the cycle lane and also go round this bend. Now that they've painted the lanes like this it is much much worse.
Southend. The Anti-Cycle Town funded by Cycling England >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Hi all,
Its even more fun coming onto the cycle lane the other direction down from Chalkwell Avenue - the only safe way onto the cycle lane is to use the zebra crossing!
As much as I quite like the new section of cycle lane - I do wonder at the thinking behind it some how... at the eastern end of the new section when travelling east it just ends dumping you into the oncoming traffic. There is a small right turn arrow painted on the ground, but this just takes you up onto the pavement >:(
Iain
Popped round to Shoebury Asda yesterday to drop a film off for developing. Because I was combining it with my ride I came out the front entrance, which I don't normally do. I noticed these white lines painted on the pavement. Anyone know what they are for?
YouTube
- white lines?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oif4SpjwDk4)
I have just received my invitation to the nexr Cycle Forum meeting. There is an agenda, but unusually the minutes of the last meeting were not attached.
I detect the aroma of a very large rodent! :-\
Re the right turn arrow, they've told us that their final plan will be to lower the ground level under the pier (where it currently floods) and the path will become shared use from the Three Shells, under the pier, through the City Beach scheme, and ultimately connect with the narrow cycle path gully along Eastern Esplanade.
I am not aware of any schedule.
We were told about the western esplanade scheme from the Three Shells to Shorefield Drive at the end of March after it was already constructed. The plans for this clearly showed it linking to the existing road based cycle lanes on either side of the road leading back to Chalkwell Shelter.
I have not seen any plans for this second phase which has removed these cycle lanes.
I have not seen the detailed plans for the City Beach, which we have been told will become a shared use pavement.
Thanks for the info.
I suppose we just have to wait until the rest of the cycle facilities just 'appear' ;D
Iain
Less of the smiles :(
Nutty, I've been storing these up for a while, and so thank goodness I can now put them to use! Have these: <BANK>
Oh good grief! Take a look at the comments after this story:
Get on your bike for Macmillan and ride around Foulness Island (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8225042.Get_on_your_bike_for_Macmillan_and_ride_around_Foulness_Island/)
Oh good grief! Take a look at the comments after this story:
Get on your bike for Macmillan and ride around Foulness Island (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8225042.Get_on_your_bike_for_Macmillan_and_ride_around_Foulness_Island/)
one person on there own is ok you can just zoom zoom around them. this event just wrong though. they let ppl on bike and by looking at them really cant ride them. they go about 6 wide in the road making it impossble for wakering to live.
last year my sister went in to labour on this day and we were driving her to the hospital and ppl would not move out of the way.
when people do not understand life and death matter in a car.
have an even to ride a bike to it in a park or not making touble for people that have to live there it is the worse worse event to the motor bike day which is also shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: branededbakersboyone person on there own is ok you can just zoom zoom around them.
Amazing to think that such a person can be driving a car.
Did anyone go to the grand opening?
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TCCy3TtNevI/AAAAAAAAFnw/Mz_0x0i-nsA/s640/p6222499.jpg)
Did anyone go to the grand opening?
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I stopped at the end of the path, opposite Esplanade House, for some minor fettling. No blood was shed.
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Did anyone go to the grand opening?
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I stopped at the end of the path, opposite Esplanade House, for some minor fettling. No blood was shed.
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Now we know you imagined the whole thing.... ;D
More to do with the access of vehicles for the maintenance of the hedges and path (and the unsuspecting idiot who rides into the brook, about four feet of down there). I expect the parking bay will be burnt off, but then who parks in front of driveways?(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TCCy3TtNevI/AAAAAAAAFnw/Mz_0x0i-nsA/s640/p6222499.jpg)Am I seeing this right?
There is a dropped kerb from the greenway into the car parking bays?
Cheers Del, that makes sense.It's a deceptive picture. From fence to dropped kerb I reckon it's about six feet. I you think it's a problem you could always turn right from the central reservation, were the picture was taken from, onto Prittlewell Chase and then take the immediate left onto the path.
But what about the other issue? Will a tandem/etc get around those apparently tight bends? (Maybe I'll take the motorbike home that way from work and take a look).
Here's a much more aesthetic approach to the barrier. The road and cycle path are safely separated, as is the pavement. Also note how the zebra crossing extends across the cycle path; cyclists still have to give way to the pedestrians, but without the hazard of give way markings and belisha beacons.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/nuttycyclist/cycling/Img102374JPEGof.jpg)
That was exactly how the Western Esplanade scheme looked on the plans I (thought I) saw at a Cycle Group meeting about 18 months ago.
Here's a much more aesthetic approach to the barrier. The road and cycle path are safely separated, as is the pavement. Also note how the zebra crossing extends across the cycle path; cyclists still have to give way to the pedestrians, but without the hazard of give way markings and belisha beacons.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/nuttycyclist/cycling/Img102374JPEGof.jpg)
This would have been perfect on Western Esplanade.
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That was exactly how the Western Esplanade scheme looked on the plans I (thought I) saw at a Cycle Group meeting about 18 months ago.
At this point Anna Waite's face froze into an expressionless look at me, before she turned her back and walked away.
I also noted that had I entered the seafront via Shorefield Road, or any other side turning, there is no dropped kerb to allow me to get onto the cycle path :facepalm: (See above comment re Maplin Way).
I noted that many of the cyclists I saw on the path I saw several times. It looked as though people were just cycling back and forth along the seafront.
It would have been cheaper!!They wanted the £3.2 million from cycling England to kill palms on the seafront and chop down other trees in the borough.
From St. Georges to Gainsborough
A few highlights from today:
I prefer the original path. Why didn't they just remove the cycling prohibited signs and let those that wanted to cycle along the brook do so while thos that didn't would be able to use the road with less abuse from motons! It would have been cheaper!!
It would have been cheaper!!They wanted the £3.2 million from cycling England to kill palms on the seafront and chop down other trees in the borough.
QuoteFrom St. Georges to Gainsborough
Whatever it is, lamp post or telegraph pole, it looks good stuck a third of the way into the lane ::-)Quote
Definitely a telephone pole with an underground feed.
Bet that'd be fun at twilight... :-\There's a lot of fun to be had there at twilight. And after, if you know what I mean. Allegedly!! :demon:
I will go through my archives, but to make sure I don't miss anything would you mind posting (or PMing me) links to sites other than this one where members of the public have raised concerns.Isn't there a thread on CTC Forum and CycleChat about this path?
I will go through my archives, but to make sure I don't miss anything would you mind posting (or PMing me) links to sites other than this one where members of the public have raised concerns.Isn't there a thread on CTC Forum and CycleChat about this path?
Our cycle cops have proved their worth (?). Shame they're not as hot on people parking in cycle lanes.
Police cycle team catch suspected burglar (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8242924.Police_cycle_team_catch_suspected_burglar/)
This is one occasion when the "Comments" section of the Echo might prove useful, if the comments are still there. ISTR that the cycle path was almost universally condemned.I've only found the echo piece which has nutty in the picture and a car door opening onto the lane, 86 comments on that article. Clicky (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8091356.Southend_seafront_cycle_lane____not_safe___/).
Here's the CC thread, Clicky (http://www.cyclechat.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58444&highlight=southend).
CTC Forum • Information (http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35608&hilit=southend)
I'm not going to post much tonight about the meeting. I did notice the new political approach, the person who might be on sales commission, and the way they're planning on taking the project forwards. We'll wait and see what happens though.
Interestingly though, chatting to the various council staff, it would appear that I personally am the only person with issues regarding the Western Esplanade scheme; everybody else in the world loves it.
I will go through my archives, but to make sure I don't miss anything would you mind posting (or PMing me) links to sites other than this one where members of the public have raised concerns. If you've got newspaper clippings or other published articles expressing concern then please PM me to let me know what and then if I haven't already got them then either scan them to my email address (acf at my website below) or let me know your address and I'll collect.
Annoyingly it would appear that my name is tarnished as the AUTHOR of clandy's youtube video. They don't seem to believe that that "stage managed video" was filmed by a concerned member of the public, but was instead my personal attempt to "create significant adverse feeling amongst the public".
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Interestingly though, chatting to the various council staff, it would appear that I personally am the only person with issues regarding the Western Esplanade scheme; everybody else in the world loves it.
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Annoyingly it would appear that my name is tarnished as the AUTHOR of clandy's youtube video. They don't seem to believe that that "stage managed video" was filmed by a concerned member of the public, but was instead my personal attempt to "create significant adverse feeling amongst the public".
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Interestingly though, chatting to the various council staff, it would appear that I personally am the only person with issues regarding the Western Esplanade scheme; everybody else in the world loves it.
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Annoyingly it would appear that my name is tarnished as the AUTHOR of clandy's youtube video. They don't seem to believe that that "stage managed video" was filmed by a concerned member of the public, but was instead my personal attempt to "create significant adverse feeling amongst the public".
one of those tree-hugging Walkers
I'm not going to post much tonight about the meeting. I did notice the new political approach, the person who might be on sales commission, and the way they're planning on taking the project forwards. We'll wait and see what happens though.
Not only are they forcing cyclists into the road, they are destroying the cycle path surface. At least half a mile of it is now like riding on a washboard.
This happened last night. Other than bruises both riders were ok.
YouTube
- Nasty off
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVsZSY-oeQ)
Both were in the centre of the path, so I call it 50/50 as to blame, but I can't help wondering if the uncut shrubbery made some contribution. (yes they should have been more cautious approaching a blind corner).
This is a good example of why! I might forward the url to the council.
Not only are they forcing cyclists into the road, they are destroying the cycle path surface. At least half a mile of it is now like riding on a washboard.
This is exactly what I noticed a week or so ago http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31115.msg653387#msg653387 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31115.msg653387#msg653387)
Cheers!
I like your avatar, that'll be at the Chalkwell end of the cinder track then!
This happened last night. Other than bruises both riders were ok.
YouTube
- Nasty off
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVsZSY-oeQ)
Both were in the centre of the path, so I call it 50/50 as to blame, but I can't help wondering if the uncut shrubbery made some contribution. (yes they should have been more cautious approaching a blind corner).
This happened last night. Other than bruises both riders were ok.
YouTube
- Nasty off
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I5efm4kP7o)
Both were in the centre of the path, so I call it 50/50 as to blame, but I can't help wondering if the uncut shrubbery made some contribution. (yes they should have been more cautious approaching a blind corner).
That's one thing I'm very wary about when I use the Milton Keynes Redways. The Redways are about as wide as that cyclepath, if not, wider, but can be overgrown. Even whe they're not overgrown, you get blind bends, just like that one.
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I think that there is a lot of the mentality that cyclepaths are always safe to cycle on, so you don't need to pay attention to what you are doing and can use it as if it was a footpath, not needing to keep left as you would on a road. I find that the Milton Keynes Redways are a very good way of sharpening up my skills for riding within a good safety margin. You really don't know what is coming around the next corner. They can be very hazardous at times.
I raised this a while ago at the cycle group and was told that it was already planned to take the railings out, which I understand has now been completed.
It was raised on Monday that now that the railings have been removed the vegetation is overhanging the path and needs pruning back. This is a good example of why! I might forward the url to the council.
I'm glad the riders are ok!
On page 2 of the Echo today a yellow tipper is pictured driving on the cycle path and reportedly forcing cyclists onto the road. Will probably go online later today/tomorrow.
On page 2 of the Echo today a yellow tipper is pictured driving on the cycle path and reportedly forcing cyclists onto the road. Will probably go online later today/tomorrow.
Does anyone have a link to this story if it has been put online? Have checked the Echo and cannot find it.
Cheers :thumbsup:
Iain
On page 2 of the Echo today a yellow tipper is pictured driving on the cycle path and reportedly forcing cyclists onto the road. Will probably go online later today/tomorrow.
Does anyone have a link to this story if it has been put online? Have checked the Echo and cannot find it.
Cheers :thumbsup:
Iain
Here 'tis! (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4756635887_1eca2365d7_b.jpg) :thumbsup:
As a user of both, the redways are wider.
The mentality that they are safe is my main gripe. Either make them as safe as they imply they are, or add details that remove that implication (signage, surfacing, etc etc etc)
You said "I find that the Milton Keynes Redways are a very good way of sharpening up my skills for riding within a good safety margin.". I used the Southend Western Esplanade on a quiet sunday at the 'grand opening'; due to the amount of attention I needed to use to be on the ball (and i had a few near misses) I found it extremely stressful.
On page 2 of the Echo today a yellow tipper is pictured driving on the cycle path and reportedly forcing cyclists onto the road. Will probably go online later today/tomorrow.
Does anyone have a link to this story if it has been put online? Have checked the Echo and cannot find it.
Cheers :thumbsup:
Iain
Here 'tis! (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4756635887_1eca2365d7_b.jpg) :thumbsup:
A good idea by Bristol. There isn't enough parking in the right places in SoS and changing a few car parking spots to bike parking wouldn't hurt.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TDHW11elY1I/AAAAAAAAFvE/-S0Qdz1F6lM/vicavepark.jpg)
YouTube
- WTH?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697jEsat_zw)
YouTube
- WTH?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697jEsat_zw)
Electric scooters/bikes. Afaik no number plate or licence required.
If they have pedals and the motor cuts out at 12mph then they are bicycles and allowed on the path, AFAIK. If the motor takes them over 12 mph then I think they become mopeds and you need licence, VED (possibly), and proper motorcycle helmets. AFAIK.Electric scooters/bikes. Afaik no number plate or licence required.As far as I'm concerned if it has an engine it's a motorbike and shouldn't be in the cycle lane.
David Ewings, in mitigation, said Nash had some mental health problems, and asked for an adjournment for a pre-sentence report.
Cabbie illegally parked in the cycle lane indicated me to cycle round him in the road, I indicated for him to get out of the bloody way!
YouTube
- No, YOU move.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJqIOl63zk)
Cabbie illegally parked in the cycle lane indicated me to cycle round him in the road, I indicated for him to get out of the bloody way!
YouTube
- No, YOU move.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJqIOl63zk)
Another idiot had to be put straight about 'road tax' on the Echo's website:
Back in the saddle events promote cycling in Southend (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8280308.Back_in_the_saddle_events_promote_cycling_in_Southend/)
Wish I could but it is just so difficult not to respond to the ignorance being posted there!
Wish I could but it is just so difficult not to respond to the ignorance being posted there!
I doubt many people read those comments anyway.
Iain
Baker Boy is a poppet, isn't he?
'Baker boy' turns up on most cycling related topics:
I'm starting to feel like the lone voice in the wilderness:
London to Southend bike ride success (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/8278812.London_to_Southend_bike_ride_success/?ref=mc)
Oblivious peds on the western esplanade path.
Oblivious peds (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/mYVM9BbFhS4)
Vans and peds on the cyclepath. vans and bikes on the pavement, a real mess on the carrigway and parking that half the drivers cannot understand how to use, Palm trees that are dying and being held up by planks of wood........
I have to say well done SBC for taking a seafront that was not perfect but at least worked and turning it into a free for alll mess that does not work properly for anyone.
How will you be able to access the cycle lane from Progress Road, or is it going to be an exra narrow lane ???Probably the same way but the lane will be shared, including the lampost and cafe sign. They might say to use the northern side or the ped crossing.
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?
As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?
As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?
When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?
As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?
When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?
Of course he deliberatly speeded up, he had to move forward from being stationary. It just has a noisy exhaust. You can see after he overtakes you, that he moves back in. As said, that video shows that there is the same amount of space that you undertook him with, than s/he overtook you with. So no, I don't think its dangerous at all, and have no problem with the driver doing that.
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?
As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?
When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?
Of course he deliberatly speeded up, he had to move forward from being stationary. It just has a noisy exhaust. You can see after he overtakes you, that he moves back in. As said, that video shows that there is the same amount of space that you undertook him with, than s/he overtook you with. So no, I don't think its dangerous at all, and have no problem with the driver doing that.
See Highway Code rule 163.
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?
Yesterday:
YouTube
- Seafront dickhead
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX1tHAQSBs)
The car is not going any faster than 15 MPH and is no closer to you than you were to it?
As both an avid cyclist and car driver, I really dont know what the problem is here?
When I passed him there was about two feet between us and he was stationary, he deliberately speeded up and passed about three inches from my right leg… you don't have a problem with drivers doing that?
True, although bear in mind after you'd gone past him, you did move out away from the edge of the road.
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?
What is the cars alternative solution?
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?
What is the cars alternative solution?
Simple, he waits until there is room to pass SAFELY.
Would it be acceptable for a car to pass a cyclist at the same distance/space as a cyclist passes the car?
What is the cars alternative solution?
Simple, he waits until there is room to pass SAFELY.
Exactly that. This is a prime place for primary.
It astounds me that anyone posting on a cycle forum can't see what is wrong with stupid driving like that.
Rule 163. There's even a picture for those many drivers who can't read.
Does anyone know if the plans for Vic Circus are available online anywhere? I was wondering what that short length of path is for on the left as you pass under the shopping centre traveling towards Vic Circus from Southchurch on the Queensway.
Does anyone know if the plans for Vic Circus are available online anywhere? I was wondering what that short length of path is for on the left as you pass under the shopping centre traveling towards Vic Circus from Southchurch on the Queensway.
Clandy, You have PM.
Looks like you're the only one not seeing the problem.
I don't think that posting messages on Youtube accusing motorists of being dickheads for transgressions like this is very helpful tbh.
The Lotus driver was a bit of a cock, for sure, but as others have pointed out you had just demonstrated that you were comfortable filtering up the inside of moving traffic at very close range, and the Lotus driver was, at least, showing some consideration for the pedestrians.
I have to say that remonstarting with pedestrians in the cycle lane (which is always going to happen) is a tiny bit like motorists remonstrating with cyclists who "get in their way". Maybe a bit more karma is called for by all of us?
I don't think that posting messages on Youtube accusing motorists of being dickheads for transgressions like this is very helpful tbh.
The Lotus driver was a bit of a cock, for sure, but as others have pointed out you had just demonstrated that you were comfortable filtering up the inside of moving traffic at very close range, and the Lotus driver was, at least, showing some consideration for the pedestrians.
I have to say that remonstarting with pedestrians in the cycle lane (which is always going to happen) is a tiny bit like motorists remonstrating with cyclists who "get in their way". Maybe a bit more karma is called for by all of us?
As for 'remonstrating with pedestrians', if some cud-chewing idiot steps out in front of me without looking, or stands in the cycle lane blank faced and drooling as I approach, then you can be very sure I will point out their mistake. It may save them, and others, serious injury in future.
Aw, isn't that sweet, JOJO brought a little friend with him today! Must be the school holidays.
As for 'remonstrating with pedestrians', if some cud-chewing idiot steps out in front of me without looking, or stands in the cycle lane blank faced and drooling as I approach, then you can be very sure I will point out their mistake. It may save them, and others, serious injury in future.
Aw, isn't that sweet, JOJO brought a little friend with him today! Must be the school holidays.
As for 'remonstrating with pedestrians', if some cud-chewing idiot steps out in front of me without looking, or stands in the cycle lane blank faced and drooling as I approach, then you can be very sure I will point out their mistake. It may save them, and others, serious injury in future.
Aw, isn't that sweet, JOJO brought a little friend with him today! Must be the school holidays.
I can't compete with quality debate like that.
QuoteI can't compete with quality debate like that.
That last sentence was not aimed at you. It was directed towards our two new car fanatic members.
QuoteI can't compete with quality debate like that.
That last sentence was not aimed at you. It was directed towards our two new car fanatic members.
I think he realises that. It doesn't become any classier for being aimed at newcomers.
The Highway Code doesn't make any provision for cyclists to filter on the left (unless there's a cycle lane). On the other hand, overtaking on the right can be buttock-clenchingly dangerous with oncoming traffic, since there is never a nice 1.5 metres (or an opening door's width) between the cars and the centre line and you end up on the wrong side of the road all the time.You are correct that the Highway Code makes no direct mention of passing on the left, however Rule 151 states:
On balance, filtering on the left is usually safer but entirely at your own risk - certainly not worth it at side roads, and you have to be constantly on alert for opening passenger doors. Or you can sit and wait, but then there's not much point in riding the bike. Difficult one.
The HC is ambiguously written in many places; that could be read as applying to multi-lane roads (e.g. queued on a dual carriageway or motorway) when motorcyclists in particular always filter between lanes.
It would be nice if someone at the DfT could clear up the filtering question once and for all; as it stands I suspect you don't have much comeback if you get doored when overtaking stationary cars on the left.
On balance, filtering on the left is usually safer but entirely at your own risk - certainly not worth it at side roads, and you have to be constantly on alert for opening passenger doors. Or you can sit and wait, but then there's not much point in riding the bike. Difficult one.
On balance, filtering on the left is usually safer but entirely at your own risk - certainly not worth it at side roads, and you have to be constantly on alert for opening passenger doors. Or you can sit and wait, but then there's not much point in riding the bike. Difficult one.
Errr no. Unless you made a typo, and mean filtering on the right.
If there is a marked cycle lane, then the above would be cast away I would have thought.
The HC is ambiguously written in many places; that could be read as applying to multi-lane roads (e.g. queued on a dual carriageway or motorway) when motorcyclists in particular always filter between lanes.
It would be nice if someone at the DfT could clear up the filtering question once and for all; as it stands I suspect you don't have much comeback if you get doored when overtaking stationary cars on the left.
did you know 50% of people who die on bikes do so because of undertaking cars/vans etc.
Not much help I know, but a clear indication that deciding to go left rather than right, or to go left rather than holding back for a few moments can be a no no.
did you know 50% of people who die on bikes do so because of undertaking cars/vans etc.
Do you have a source for this claim please?
Warning to riders on the path. I suspect that we're seeing the same issue on new roads where the oils are coming out of the tarmac and making the dry path slippery. (This is why new/resurfaced roads carry the warning signs of "slippery surface").Was your close call just west of the casino? I saw slick of oil just there when I went by the other day. I was going to use fillthathole to report it but forgot until your post. :-[
East. Outside the three shells.That was were the two girls run out in front of me.
East. Outside the three shells.That was were the two girls run out in front of me.
And that's why I'm so annoyed at last night's close call. I was expecting it. I was riding accordingly. It happened. I reacted, and then found there was no braking traction >:(Donut (sic) grease I 'spect! ;)
Just got back from a quick ride up to Leigh and back. Got the following on the way:
First, this is new, yours Nutty?
...
I note that there are three bus stops shown with 25m of 20mm kerb. I
recall from last time I dared take a bike to the area that to the east
of the Casino was a short section of single yellow line instead of a
double yellow line.
These two combined lead me to further questions.
* How many buses are expected to use the stops?
* What traffic orders are proposed for the stops?
* How is it proposed to stop non scheduled buses from stopping,
private buses with day trippers, etc? (They will stop for
longer than a scheduled service.)
*
* Will the buses be stopping on the cycle track? (Implied by the
dropped kerb)
* If so, how are cyclists expected to pass a stationary bus?
*
* Will the buses be stopping on the carriageway?
* If so how will traffic pass? (In particular the private 56 seat
coaches who may spend a long time loading or unloading on the
narrowed carriageway).
The coach wasn't dropping off or picking up, it was parked there. There's about fifteen minutes between the two photos.
having my own safety severely compromised by this dangerous parking,
but I'm not sure how it would affect my safety at all riding past there.You'd have to filter on the left! :P
having my own safety severely compromised by this dangerous parking,
Good letter, but is this bit really true? I think it's OTT and will lose effectiveness for you. That coach parking there is annoying, certainly, but I'm not sure how it would affect my safety at all riding past there.
Colette Kemp from Cycle Southend – the scheme set up to get more people riding on their bikes in the borough – told longpier.com:
......
“However the new cycle lanes we have installed are great. They are made to European standards and give cyclists a safe way to enjoy the route. Of course riders must be observant, as they would be on the road”.
I see the cycle lane is mentioned on longpier this month -> YOUR VIEW: Should our seafronts be kept ‘bike free’? : Longpier – News, Sport and Features from Southend-on-Sea, Westcliff, Rochford, Leigh and more (http://www.longpier.com/2010/08/your-view-should-seafronts-be-kept-bike-free/)QuoteColette Kemp from Cycle Southend – the scheme set up to get more people riding on their bikes in the borough – told longpier.com:
......
“However the new cycle lanes we have installed are great. They are made to European standards and give cyclists a safe way to enjoy the route. Of course riders must be observant, as they would be on the road”.
I wonder what European standards these are? As at the beginning of this thread the new lanes completely ignore many parts of LTN 2/08 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/ltnotes/ltn208.pdf), which is the UK guideline which all cycle facilities should adhere to.
You forgot the lamppost/pedestrian crossing light in the middle of your lane on the cycle lane, at 1:05.
YouTube - Cycle UNfriendly Town‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6XRJL8gSs)
You forgot the lamppost/pedestrian crossing light in the middle of your lane on the cycle lane, at 1:05.
YouTube - Cycle UNfriendly Town‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6XRJL8gSs)
I see the cycle lane is mentioned on longpier this month -> YOUR VIEW: Should our seafronts be kept ‘bike free’? : Longpier – News, Sport and Features from Southend-on-Sea, Westcliff, Rochford, Leigh and more (http://www.longpier.com/2010/08/your-view-should-seafronts-be-kept-bike-free/)QuoteColette Kemp from Cycle Southend – the scheme set up to get more people riding on their bikes in the borough – told longpier.com:
......
“However the new cycle lanes we have installed are great. They are made to European standards and give cyclists a safe way to enjoy the route. Of course riders must be observant, as they would be on the road”.
I wonder what European standards these are? As at the beginning of this thread the new lanes completely ignore many parts of LTN 2/08 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/ltnotes/ltn208.pdf), which is the UK guideline which all cycle facilities should adhere to.
I suspect that the railway down't own the path, but the land immediately adjacent to it, of which, for most of the path's length, there is plenty to spare.I have been told, at the cycle forum, that network rail (or whoever) do indeed own the cinder path, and the sea wall along that stretch which is why it has been "maintained" over the years purely by pouring tar onto it as it is the cheapest method. I suspect that there is also a public right of way and because of this it can be subject to byelaws.
Exactly that. This is a prime place for primary.
It astounds me that anyone posting on a cycle forum can't see what is wrong with stupid driving like that.
Rule 163. There's even a picture for those many drivers who can't read.
Clarion, you are forgetting the First Rule of the Motorist:
All cyclists MUST be overtaken.
What's the problem? Smiley deliberately omited
Exactly that. This is a prime place for primary.
It astounds me that anyone posting on a cycle forum can't see what is wrong with stupid driving like that.
Rule 163. There's even a picture for those many drivers who can't read.
Clarion, you are forgetting the First Rule of the Motorist:
All cyclists MUST be overtaken.
What's the problem? Smiley deliberately omited
Ah yes, that rule!
YouTube
- Answers on a postcard...‎
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tchjbYc5k3k)
I went for a little spin along the seafront this morning to see how things are going with the new path on Western Esplanade.
The line painting wagon was there and they were repainting the parallel parking bays between adventure island and three shells.
The line next to the hashing is now a double width solid white line rather than the original dashed white line.
Video on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/2FlatErics#p/a/u/0/BNc3OUIJdcQ)
Have the council changed the marking because they care about cyclists and want to make it clear to drivers that they should park in the bay and not on the hash markings?
Or could it be that the council has realised they probably couldn't enforce any tickets they issued for parking on the hash marks when there was only a dashed line?
Call me a cynic if you like but I suspect that the changes are led by a potential loss of revenue from parking fines rather than careing for cyclists.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/nuttycyclist/cycling/Southend%20Cycle%20Town/markings.jpg)
Hhmm... screenshot from the stage 3 safety Audit which I received today.Isn't the audit supposed to be done "before" the path was laid so that the engineers could make it safe in the first place? :facepalm:
Hhmm... screenshot from the stage 3 safety Audit which I received today.Isn't the audit supposed to be done "before" the path was laid so that the engineers could make it safe in the first place? :facepalm:
no.OK. :thumbsup:
Does it mention what has been slagged off about the path here and elsewhere?Yes, pretty much!
Will anything be done? ::-)
Does it mention what has been slagged off about the path here and elsewhere?Yes, pretty much!
Will anything be done? ::-)
2.5m minus the 0.5m for line minus the 0.2m for the kerb upstand equals 1.8m usable width.This needs to be highlighted
1.8 metres in total! Not 1.8m eastbound and another 1.8m westbound.
Please be clear about this. Don't be vague.
It's 0.9m eastbound and 0.9m westbound.
If there is a central divider lane painted (I'm not certain about that at present) then that will further reduce the widths!
If there is to be a formal opening ceremony I do hope families attend. Aren't the child trailers 1m in width? :demon: :demon: :demon:
I couldn't add them to the hazard report, Fillthathole says that it has been reported though.
I think that rubbish truck stops there Mon-Fri and collects those large wheelie bins. I don't see why it can't stop on the parking and drag the bins over.
As well as the dust cart the Casino sewage tank emptying lorry parks there in the mornings. I haven't gone past since the track was built, but I'd be interested to know where that parks and drapes its hoses now... on the path or on the road? either way the track will have obstruction.
I would hazard a guess that it stops at the bus stop, although the road markings were obliterated by the cycle path. It stops on the cycle path because it's got to stop somewhere and stopping on the cycle path is a safer option than stopping on the road and having
YouTube
- Bus In Cycle lane
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQyq56-uD8)
A bit of a tangent, but relevant to this thread.Best thing would be to fell all the trees, (so people can't trip), drain the lake, (so people can't drown) and fill it all in with a nice level asphalt, people friendly surface! Just like they're doing to Warrior Square. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I've just walked round the park with the dog. There's been a whole load of work going on around the lakes, whose perimiters were 75% earth / grass. The 25% has for a long time been asphalt path.
Now the other 75% is being surfaced as well. Some of it is with some sort of compound which looked to me like a hard surface. There were some besuited, hivizzed types discussing the work when I was there so I interrupted their meeting to ask about the work. How are anglers going to get their rod rests into a hard surface? The Head besuited hivizzed honcho explained that it was not actually a hard surface but was loose and anglers will be able to penetrate the surface with a rod rest. What about the fact that there's a hard core base? Well, there's been consultation.
Also, this new surface extends right around the back of the lake which used to be rather wild an interesting. Now it's got a surfaced path and has lost its wildness. Oh, that was needed because there were so many tree roots that people could fall and hurt themselves and sue the Council. So Hockley Woods (public woodland about 5 miles from Southend) can expect urban-style paths in the future to stop people suing the Council? Quite possibly, yes.
So expect the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path to have a hand rail fitted any time soon.
A site inspection is currently in progress.now I really am impressed by the speed of response. Can we borrow your Councilor Flewitt up here in Durham - we could use him. The very fact that he has organised an inspection so quickly bodes well for some action for you.
The path is going to be pea shingled. ATM it's OK on the straight section, as most of it is, but this corner will be dodgy while the shingle is loose.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/THDnAFJEBBI/AAAAAAAAF6c/vTdPrdZRJmo/s640/p8222701.jpg)
I'll have a closer look tomorrow then, before ranting at the council.
I was more focussed on staying upright and not falling off the bike that was sliding sideways, and also noting the clear tyre tracks already on the bend where the gravel was obviously getting swept away.
Were there any warning signs?No!
Were there any warning signs?No!
Del, what day did you first notice this pea shingle? I can see the photo was posted back on Thursday, but how long had it been down before that?
A couple of items in the Echo today. Including an editorial asking why the council didn't consult local cyclists before building the "dangerous" Western Esplanade cycle path! ::-)
I certainly hope that nobody has been hurt, despite our fears that it is going to happen.A girl, unsure about the age, ran into the path of three cyclists. One braked hard and went over the bars hitting the girl, the girl is OK! The cyclist has a broken elbow.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Minitar1/ClipartEtc/sewage7.jpg)
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I certainly hope that nobody has been hurt, despite our fears that it is going to happen.A girl, unsure about the age, ran into the path of three cyclists. One braked hard and went over the bars hitting the girl, the girl is OK! The cyclist has a broken elbow.
Are you sure it's oil? There's an awfully large slick and in the photos there's no sign of the oily sheen you'd expect to see.Yes, it's definitely oil. It's been spread by the traffic, including the lorries that pull onto that spot, and water beads on it's surface.
The council will gain best insight if it listens to constructive suggestions from the people who use the routes on a regular basis.
Cyclists, for their part, need to do more than complain, they need to come up with practical solutions
I've just bought the paper copy. Interesting snippet from the editorial.QuoteThe council will gain best insight if it listens to constructive suggestions from the people who use the routes on a regular basis.
Cyclists, for their part, need to do more than complain, they need to come up with practical solutions
Well the council has singularly failed to listen to any of the suggestions we've made to date.
For the last ten years I've been offering to help, even down to the offer of reviewing their draft plans at design phase (as we're supposed to be doing at the cycle group meetings). Instead they push ahead with whatever they feel is best, leaving us with no option but to contact them "as a complaint" with regards they've constructed.
As for this seafront path, let's just go back to page 1 of this thread and remind ourselves of how many LTN2/08 guidelines have been ignored in the construction of this path.
Sounds like Southend has chosen the perfect time to put up more signs:
BBC News - Councils urged to remove unnecessary street signs (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11092590)
Sounds like Southend has chosen the perfect time to put up more signs:
BBC News - Councils urged to remove unnecessary street signs (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11092590)
...
There are too many signs and too much street furniture. The Kensington experiment is working well, as is Seven Dials, and the shared space/naked streets experiments in places like Drachten and Mikkinga in the Netherlands have been roaring successes.
The 'front door' of Southend needs a major overhaul to improve traffic
flow and improve the town's appearance to visitors. The roundabout in
front of the station is nearly 50 years old and can’t take any more traffic
at peak times.
The new layout aims to address these problems and also improve the
experience for pedestrians, cyclists and public transport users, without
having a significant impact on traffic. A new public space linking the
station with the town centre will also be created, replacing the existing
roundabout with a signal controlled junction.
There is a cracker of a picture on the 'Crap Cycling in Waltham Forest' blog of a shared pavement/cycle facility festooned with metal poles hlding up road signs, whilst of course the road is completely clear. Real :facepalm: moment.
Not that I'm saying roads should have metal signs stuck in them - just that as a cyclist or pedestrian you are considered some lower form of life.
....
Oh, and I saw this idiot too:
YouTube
- Idiot Cyclist.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi4aIK3iRQ)
2.13 Problem
‘Look Both Ways’ markings at various locations. The ‘Look Both Ways’ road markings
applied at various informal crossing points could encourage southbound pedestrians
crossing from the central parking areas to stop within the carriageway and potentially
conflict with motor traffic.
<photographs>
Recommendation
Remove markings for southbound pedestrians and replace with Diag. 1057 cycle logo
on the cycle track, to better indicate to pedestrians that cyclists may be encountered.
thanks.... no cycle logos have put put there, so bare tarmac prevails over plain English, daft! ???
Iain
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
And the problem is?
If it were just a road, you'd still have vehicles pulling in and blocking your way. They cleared the cycle path quickly enough afterwards.
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
And the problem is?
If it were just a road, you'd still have vehicles pulling in and blocking your way. They cleared the cycle path quickly enough afterwards.
… and if you'd read my comment below the video...
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
And the problem is?
If it were just a road, you'd still have vehicles pulling in and blocking your way. They cleared the cycle path quickly enough afterwards.
… and if you'd read my comment below the video...
Seriously?
I think you may be getting a bit fixated....
Fixated?
There are 47 pages. I don't think there's any doubt about it. If I blogged about the various bits of my commute and how decisions there made no sense we'd have hundreds of pages just from me. It could have been so much better, but I bet Joe public on his BSO thinks it's great.
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
And the problem is?
If it were just a road, you'd still have vehicles pulling in and blocking your way. They cleared the cycle path quickly enough afterwards.
Can anyone guess what happens when the emergency services need to get along western Esplanade in a hurry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWx0nbqYUI)?
And the problem is?
If it were just a road, you'd still have vehicles pulling in and blocking your way. They cleared the cycle path quickly enough afterwards.
.... It could have been so much better, but I bet Joe public on his BSO thinks it's great.
Regarding 'joe public' I have yet to be abused by motorists for not using the path to the West of the pier, something that I wouldnt dare to do to the East :(
I think 'joe public' can see the path is not up to the job it was designed to do, 'joe public' isnt that much of a mug!
...
The gravel is still loose! I would imagine it'll be several weeks of walkers and cyclists using the path to tamp down the gravel and kick the loose stuff off to the sides.
Regarding 'joe public' I have yet to be abused by motorists for not using the path to the West of the pier, something that I wouldnt dare to do to the East :(
I think 'joe public' can see the path is not up to the job it was designed to do, 'joe public' isnt that much of a mug!
To the west of the pier I wasn't abused. Once.
All other rides, on the road, I have been yelled at. Twice on one day.
Regarding this thread and people keep adding to it, as long as Southend Council keeps sending its minions out to promote the path for family use then I will keep having a dig when I can :demon:
A courteous driver in Southend.Was he courteous to the vehicle behind him?
YouTube
- Courteous Driver, Thank You.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Q4WeT7VJM)
A courteous driver in Southend.Was he courteous to the vehicle behind him?
YouTube
- Courteous Driver, Thank You.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Q4WeT7VJM)
Focus driver overtaking too close only to brake sharply and join back of long queue - yep, rather dumb.
Elderly pedestrian not appreciating that cyclist might be on a cycle path, probably because they haven't existed for most of their life: No problem, make allowances, it'll only cost a few seconds.
Shock doddery old lady into rushing across as fast as she could, which wasn't very: Sorry mate, your fail.
If you're pointing the finger at motorists for failing to have patience with cyclists, then you might want to have a rethink about the effect your riding is having on vulnerable pedestrians.
OK, I didn't spot the lead, but I don't think it makes that much difference. Peds are allowed on cyclepaths, and I think we need to be tolerant of them, even the irritating ones.
Yes, they could have taken more care, but really, making a granny run for it? That's something I would be proud of, yes?
Many times I have happily stayed behind waiting for a gap where I can get past them with plenty of space. To have them turn around, jump out of the way pulling each other to the side, with the look that they are about to get run over.
If only they had paid attention to what is going around them and had seen me 2-3 min before when I slowed down to their speed and happily waited behind them.
I'm with Tewdric on this. I've been puzzled by this thread for a long time, in particular the expectation from some posters that a cycle lane through a busy area should somehow (and uniquely) be clear and fast, when the users of the road and the pavement all have to compromise and adjust their movements.
It sounds like one of the main problems with the new facility is that it has now forced cyclists into a choice between using a facility not fit for the purpose of getting from A to B (but fine for pootling families), or using the road and being subjected to closer, more dangerous overtakes (due to the carriageway now being narrower than it was) and aggravation from motorists who can't see why they're not using the "perfectly good cycle lane over there".
Not wanting to be the bringer of bad news but
Just been out for a morning ride and on the return I chanced the seafront path heading towards Chalkwell. As I aproached The Arch's cafe's Shorefield Road junction there was four of five police cars around, the cycle path taped off and the police photographers out in force. I have no idea what has happened, but it looks as if it has involved the cycle path and it didnt look good news.
Was this just east of the arches, where the road surface goes from tarmac to the beige anti-skid?
Result!It looks like a different company, perhaps picking up different bins.
Oh, fecking hell no! >:( No, no, no, no, no!???
Thorpe Hall Avenue :-[ :-[
I despair!
They are going to mark parking bays in the nearside carriage way, then have a separation zone of half a meter, then a cycle lane, then the car lane.It's so the council can have extra parking bays @ £X/hour just in case some fool from out of town wanders into the area and wants to park.
They are going to mark parking bays in the nearside carriage way, then have a separation zone of half a meter, then a cycle lane, then the car lane.It's so the council can have extra parking bays @ £X/hour just in case some fool from out of town wanders into the area and wants to park.
They must have a few hundred thou left over from Cycling England. ::-)
edit: How have they worked out getting cyclists off the seafront and onto THA?
They must have a few hundred thou left over from Cycling England. ::-)
There wasn't a need for the Western Espl. lane either but that didn't stop them from building it.They must have a few hundred thou left over from Cycling England. ::-)There is absolutely no need for a cycle lane in Thorpe Hall Avenue.
Pedantically, one might say that there is no need for cycle lanes anywhere. That's what roads are for. But Southend does seem to have taken idiocy to an inspired level. I was there a few weeks ago and went out for a short ride along the seafront with my stepfather, who splits his time between Leigh and a small town in Holland. We used the cycle route from Chalkwell to just before the pier. I came back on the road and he joined me just after the casino. We both came away concluding that someone has been putting something mind-altering in the councillors' tea.
Everybody who has these new plans for the area, please make sure you not only provide suitable feedback to them but also make sure that the council acknowledges these responses.
They claim to be consulting, now lets see them respond accordingly.
Plus Southend council are on record as saying there will be 'no dedicated cycle lane' on City Beach. Cyclists will be 'free to use the road or the promenade'. So £0.00 spent on cycling as part of City Beach.
Here is a summary from my notes (it's only a summary because Southend told me to put my pen down and stop making notes).
It's something I suppose… wonder what type they'll be?
More bicycle parking in Southend (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8400159.More_bicycle_parking_in_Southend/)
If possible perhaps someone could try to get across that the main issue with cycle parking is security. There is nothing stopping thieves approaching parked bikes, bolt cropping and walking away with a bike. At least with car parks there is some form of security keeping an eye on things.
Everybody who has these new plans for the area, please make sure you not only provide suitable feedback to them but also make sure that the council acknowledges these responses.
They claim to be consulting, now lets see them respond accordingly.
Who do you normally send comments to? Do you just respond to Sarah Haddens email or is it best to email someone like Neil or Tim?
The police interceptor car was parked ON THE TRACK at the end of the episode whilst they monitored the southend cruise scene. The view ahead through the windscreen also showed another vehicle on the track near the casino (I think not a police car).
If possible perhaps someone could try to get across that the main issue with cycle parking is security. There is nothing stopping thieves approaching parked bikes, bolt cropping and walking away with a bike. At least with car parks there is some form of security keeping an eye on things.
At the last meeting the project manager was pushing a new bike storage device that a local company has designed. A sealed box in effect.
The meeting was very similar to an episode of Dragon's Den. I asked whether the boxes would be large enough to hide in whilst sawing through the bike padlock.
I don't think that we were supposed to hear the entrepreneur say "well myself and the project manager have known each other for years and we're hopeful that the southend cycle town budget can be spent on these new boxes we're trying to launch". Old boys network....
Is the cycle path policed at all during the evening, I doubt it.I don't think Southend is policed during the evening! :-\
Own up then: which of you did a "cat-lady" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-11358962) on Baker_Boy?Good job he was found by someone as he couldn't have formed a cohesive sentence to tell the emergency services where he was. ::-)
He must have been dumped by his girlfriend
On a freezing icy winters day they expect only a handful of the hardiest cyclists to still be out and about. Basically the argument is that the numbers do not stack up to warrant spending the time and money on gritting the cycle paths.
Some of rode along the new farcility at the end of last weekend's FNRttC. I couldn't help but think that Southend could now use a new slogan:Southend Council — Redefining 'crap'
Noticed today work has started on the inadequate door zone by Adventure Island. I seem to recall one of the safety audit issues with this was it wasn't wide enough. It doesn't look any wider now, just a different colour tarmac instead of hatching.
YouTube
- New markings
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDz0sBY0Xvo)
Noticed today work has started on the inadequate door zone by Adventure Island. I seem to recall one of the safety audit issues with this was it wasn't wide enough. It doesn't look any wider now, just a different colour tarmac instead of hatching.
YouTube
- New markings
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDz0sBY0Xvo)
Oh, fecking hell no! >:( No, no, no, no, no!
Thorpe Hall Avenue :-[ :-[
I despair!
Dear Sirs,
Please do NOT go ahead with the plans for cycle lanes in Thorpe Hall
Avenue due to the below reasons.
These plans are based on the failed implementation of cycle lanes in
Prittlewell Chase:-
- The parking bays are of insufficient width to cater for all vehicles
to park in. Therefore they intrude into the door buffer zone.
- the 0.5m buffer zone, whilst of minimum recommended guideline width,
does not prevent vehicle doors being opened into the cycle lane
- the 0.5m buffer zone implemented in Prittlewell Chase in reality is
less than 0.5m in width.
- the 1.5m cycle lane, whilst of the minimum recommended width, allows
no cyclist room to manoeuvre should there be a hazard in their path; be
it an opening vehicle door, pothole, or other unforeseen situation.
- As proven in Prittlewell Chase the painted cycle lane restricts the
cyclist into maintaining a dedicated course which may not be the safest
route. The Prittlewell Chase lane in reality is not as wide as the
published 1.5m, in some cases reducing to just 0.43m!
- the 3m traffic lane may be sufficient to allow safe passage of small
vehicles (cars) but is not of sufficient width to cater for all vehicles
such as buses, HGVs, refuse vehicles, etc
- on Prittlewell Chase these wider vehicles intrude into the cycle lane
on a regular basis, putting cyclists in danger. Worse, now that drivers
can clearly see that there are dedicated areas for cyclists and
motorists, they neither slow down when passing cyclists nor give them
sufficient passing distance. Cyclists are no longer able to use their
bikeability training and control the surrounding traffic. It is
extremely alarming to be passed by a large vehicle travelling at 30mph
just two inches from your right elbow.
I am more than willing to meet on site in Prittlewell Chase to discuss
these statements and to demonstrate why the Thorpe Hall Avenue scheme
should not copy this.
The plans as proposed only provide for the straight carriageways, and
abandon cyclists in the areas of greatest danger, namely major
junctions. e.g. at the roundabout with Acacia Drive no facilities are
provided; cyclists travelling east on Southchurch Boulevard and wanting
to turn right onto Thorpe Hall Avenue via the roundabout are not catered
for; at the junction with Thorpe Esplanade the cycle facility is
inconveniently passed from the carriageway to the pavement; between the
seafront to Woodgrange Drive there are rarely any parked cars so the
effect will be to have a two lane carriageway with a cycle lane in
between the two lanes.
It has been demonstrated in the past that introducing cycle lanes
increase the speed of passing traffic and reduces the passing distance
that drivers give to cyclists. A situation now experienced in
Prittlewell Chase, which greatly increases the danger to cyclists.
(http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?TabID=0&ItemID=290&mid=13641) In a meeting I had with Paul Mathieson & Neil Hoskins of the cycle town project both stated awareness of this research and also that other Councils are removing lanes as a result, therefore I am disappointed that the same flawed designs are being followed in a town claiming to have a Cycle Town status.
A better option would be to follow the original strategy as agreed
between the project and the Cycle Group, namely to use cycle logos
(diagram 1057) on the carriageway instead of dedicated lanes. These
would allow cyclists to choose the safest road position, as determined
by the excellent bikeability training provided by the Council's staff,
whilst also alerting drivers that they should expect cyclists on the
road in the vicinity.
I have cc'd The Evening Echo since their editorial of 24/08/2010
commented that cyclists should put forward proposals instead of just
complaining. In November 2008 local cyclists put forward three options
for Western Esplanade, only for the Council to fail to consult further,
to apparently ignore our options, to completely fail to address the core
requirements that we stated cyclists needed in this area, and as a
result to implement a scheme that has made cycling in that area more
dangerous than it was before. Please do not repeat the mistake of
ignoring the cycling community input.
Kind regards,
Nuttycyclist,
On behalf of CTC, the National Cyclists' Organisation CTC Homepage - CTC the UK's national cyclists' organisation (http://www.ctc.org.uk)
Highlights from last nights cycle forum meeting.
...... Neil Hoskins assures us that the loose top surface is only temporary. The loose stuff should bed in or be swept aside after a few weeks of use leaving a solid surface. Part of the reason for choosing this surface was to increase the noise of tyres and footsteps on a shared path (peds can hear a cyclist or other peds approaching from behind which is probably a good idea in an unlit muggers paradise).
.....
Maintenance. Winter maintenance (i.e. gritting of the cycle paths). This was discussed but the overall impression that we were left with was that it is probably not going to happen. The reasoning is that a major cycle path like the eastern/western esplanade gets a maximum of 500 cyclists a day on a sunny summers day. On a freezing icy winters day they expect only a handful of the hardiest cyclists to still be out and about. Basically the argument is that the numbers do not stack up to warrant spending the time and money on gritting the cycle paths.
The worst cycle lanes I have seen are in Hamlet Court Road, near the junction of Canewdon Road.
Bear in mind that the "central reservation" is actually a parking area.
The worst cycle lanes I have seen are in Hamlet Court Road, near the junction of Canewdon Road.
Bear in mind that the "central reservation" is actually a parking area.
I always thought it wasnt a parking area :-\
I am sure there was an incident some years ago when everyone who was parked in the central reservation was given tickets :-\
Despite that being on the doorstep, I really dont know for certain though.
The filter lane though, well that sucks and isnt used by me :(
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.
Falls off chair in amazement.
"In the future we will be looking at having pre-consultations about any schemes."
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.
Falls off chair in amazement.
Page 8 of today's echo has a piece on a "Tweed Ride" which will feature some vintage bikes and will set off from Southend Pier at 7pm on Friday and head for Old Leigh.
Would anybody be interested in joining me in a ride along the seafront Cycle Track from Chalkwell Shelter to Southend pier on Friday evening, starting at around 19:05?
Because I want to see what the effect of two groups of cyclists meeting each other on an underwidth path is; especially as the last of the rush hour traffic will still be going past a couple of inches from the cyclists.
Page 8 of today's echo has a piece on a "Tweed Ride" which will feature some vintage bikes and will set off from Southend Pier at 7pm on Friday and head for Old Leigh.
Would anybody be interested in joining me in a ride along the seafront Cycle Track from Chalkwell Shelter to Southend pier on Friday evening, starting at around 19:05?
I went. Maybe thirty or so people gathered by the pier. A few ordinaries etc. Mostly it appeared to be a clothing event.
I went. Maybe thirty or so people gathered by the pier. A few ordinaries etc. Mostly it appeared to be a clothing event.
It was a bit nippy for an impromptu NBR.
P.P.S The gravel is still loose and pooling on that corner! ::-)
Is anyone going to use this path :-\I've used it this morning, if I had a commute I wouldn't use it but for a gentle pootle it's fine. I also walked my dog along part of it.
Other than theshitmachinedog walkers that is :-\
Is that a shadow on the bend or a damn great tyre catching crack in the surface?It's shadow and old tarmac meeting new tarmac plus a soupçon of mini ramp.
It's for gates! :facepalm:I could probably cycle under that!
But they're to stop cars and larger vehicles. An approximately 1.5m gap is left for walkers, cyclists and kids/yoofs on mini motos, etc.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_45o2t790K90/TT7fvGI2DOI/AAAAAAAAGHc/yZ-QumuVEX0/s640/p1253957.jpg)
Does anyone know anything about this?
Bike grants for clubs in Southend (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/8811728.Bike_grants_for_clubs_in_Southend/)
Does anyone use the path for cycling?When I walk my dog in the morning I see a few commuters and a few school children riding, all male though.
I ride past it every morning and I dont think I have seen anyone cycling yet :-\
Plenty of shit-machines and their walkers though :hand:
Does anyone use the path for cycling?When I walk my dog in the morning I see a few commuters and a few school children riding, all male though.
I ride past it every morning and I dont think I have seen anyone cycling yet :-\
Plenty of shit-machines and their walkers though :hand:
they already shout at us for riding alongside the cycle paths
they already shout at us for riding alongside the cycle paths
So ignore them.
I'm sure the Council will claim that they apply to the pavements (where you aren't allowed to cycle anyway :facepalm:) and have been used to mark the end of their new shared use cycle path.
Just look at the one in Victoria Avenue though (my 2nd photo). It's on the kerb, 7 or 8 feet away from the pavement and separated from it by a shrubbery.
The sign they should have looked for was the "end of cycle path" sign.
Using the signs as they have will have motorists yelling at cyclists for riding where not allowed - as they already shout at us for riding alongside the cycle paths (see your link above).
just can't believe that a council claiming funding to create a cycle town can spend it in erecting "No Cycling" signs.
Does the council actually have the power to ban cycling on sections of public road?
Maybee we should get a big group of cyclists together and all ride on mass onto the roundabout and just take it over. Completly block it until the police and newspapers turn up.
Does the council actually have the power to ban cycling on sections of public road?
Maybee we should get a big group of cyclists together and all ride on mass onto the roundabout and just take it over. Completly block it until the police and newspapers turn up.
Wouldn't work. From what I've seen the vast majority of Southend's 'cyclists' think they are only allowed to use the seafront.
Thanks for that wowbagger. I spotted the "tarmac spillage" at the weekend and chuckled to myself that they'd made such an awful cockup. This isn't the first time they've had to put tarmac ramps down because they failed to install dropped kerbs that provided a flush surface transition as called for in the guidelines.
When will they learn?
When will they learn?
It's not on the Echo website, but yesterday's paper has a full page spread about how the council is to spend £75,000 in re-marking the central parking bays so that you can drive into them (instead of driving past and reversing in), and also add disabled bays and a taxi rank at the same time.
Just spotted.
The Ace shakedown ride this year is 25th April
Whats on Events - Southend-on-Sea Borough Council (http://www.southend.gov.uk/events/event/578/)
What's the betting the seafront path will once again be used for motorcycle parking and not available for cycling?
Just spotted.
The Ace shakedown ride this year is 25th April
Whats on Events - Southend-on-Sea Borough Council (http://www.southend.gov.uk/events/event/578/)
What's the betting the seafront path will once again be used for motorcycle parking and not available for cycling?
Why cant they use the new space at the City Beech rather than the cycle path. If they are using it that is :-\
You must be an excellent rider! The way you handled those anti motor vehicle white lines, incredible! Those lines stop cars you know!! ::-)
YouTube
- Where am I supposed to ride?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cDfkubmmI)
You must be an excellent rider! The way you handled those anti motor vehicle white lines, incredible! Those lines stop cars you know!! ::-)
YouTube
- Where am I supposed to ride?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfC1YTOVcI)
The second van was a lighting contractor so possibly something to do with street lighting?I've noticed, when walking the dog down there last week, that there are floor spotlights to highlight the dead/dying palm trees, so 'twas probably that.
The second van was a lighting contractor so possibly something to do with street lighting?I've noticed, when walking the dog down there last week, that there are floor spotlights to highlight the dead/dying palm trees, so 'twas probably that.
Good grief. The way people are carrying on you'd think we all cycled on pavements at 80mph with 30mm cannon blazing and scythes attached to our wheels. ::-)
A cycle hire scheme for Southend? Possibly!
Southend businessman reveals winner of Who Wants to be a Miller on Air? contest (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8904788.Winners_of_businessman_s___100_000_competition_are_revealed/)
'Shared space' provided you stay between the lines…
Cyclists and pedestrians to share City Beach space (From Echo) (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/8904720.Cyclists_and_pedestrians_to_share_City_Beach_space/)
It looks like the Greenway is going to get a low boundary fence and, at least on the corner section of Vic. Ave. to Prit. Chs, a light pole. Doesn't seem to be markings on the brook side of the path though.
Looking at that last image- the posts could be for a fence-Those posts, the concrete ones on the last image, used to be an old fence. It's this image and its posts
:facepalm: Two new posts, one shown here, about one third the way in from the green fence. I almost walked into it this morning. :o
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The perfect height for a line at handlebar level!
I wonder if a gate or fence across the path is to go in? To slow things down for the corner. ::-)
Okay, so it's Good Friday. A bank Holiday with exceptionally warm weather. I thought I'd take my first cycle along the seafront through City Beach.
I was, as I suspected it would be, a complete nightmare. On the ddedicated cycle path there were peds everywhere. So many that I have to stop to recharge the AirZound.
The shared use parts of the Golden Mile were the worst.
This is the most cycling unfriendly cycle path in the whole fricking world!!!!
AirZounds on pedestrians? I have done it, rarely, and it's almost never right. They are allowed on cycle paths after all.I AirZounded a pedestrian once. Without looking, she was about to step off a kerb into the road on which I was approaching. She jumped back, and she and her friends then giggled and thanked me as I passed.
I am sure I saw Anna Waite cycling along the path near Shoebury/ShoreHouse on Monday afternoon :o :o :o
I am sure I saw Anna Waite cycling along the path near Shoebury/ShoreHouse on Monday afternoon :o :o :o
She was probably trying out the newmountain bike traillink-up shared use footpath/cycle track between the top of Gunners Park and the Ness Road slipway at Shoebury Common beach. (Coincidentally built by W&H Roads, Waite and her husband's civil engineering company).
It's a packed earth and sand surface so far as I can tell. I know I had to thoroughly clean my drive train the day I used it due to the amount of dust. Looks like it will be a quagmire in the rain. In the dry I'd say tourers should be ok on this surface if they go easy, but if you're a roadie don't bother. Looks like more 'everyone rides mountain bikes don't they?' thinking.
YouTube
- Southend Cycle Town. New footpath/cycle track.
(http://youtu.be/P41a4dXwQiA)
:facepalm: Two new posts, one shown here, about one third the way in from the green fence. I almost walked into it this morning. :o
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The perfect height for a line at handlebar level!
I wonder if a gate or fence across the path is to go in? To slow things down for the corner. ::-)
Have a look at the 'how to beat up your council' thread and the design manuals therin. FOI for the risk assessment and the design standards to which it complies..
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I am sure I saw Anna Waite cycling along the path near Shoebury/ShoreHouse on Monday afternoon :o :o :o
Genius design feature of hidden non-reflective bollard on corner there!You use a headlight and the new, fitted two days after pic, red reflectors on the posts. You can also use the skid marks, from the loose gravel surface, to know you're on a rather tight corner!
So how do you spot that at night then?
I'd be tempted to take bolt croppers to that, as a public service you understand.
Phoned through to the emergency switchboard. I told them it was lethal, someone is going to take a look.
Lets see what happens :-\
FAO the Mods
is it possible to move this post into the Southend Cycle town Pt 2 thread.
I think its important that its open for all to see
I had a ride along East Beech this afternoon after work.
There are a few of these crowd control fences chained and padlocked to posts around the park. A thought that struck me I wonder if its something to do with a localish travellers camp that is about to be closed :-\
Anna Waite has been voted out! ;D Things looking up or not? ???Ding! Dong! The witch is dead!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
...It seems that Paul van Looey is in and he owns a bike shop in town, don't know which, so could be things are looking up.
Anna Waite has been voted out! ;D Things looking up or not? ???
edit: It seems that Paul van Looey is in and he owns a bike shop in town, don't know which, so could be things are looking up.
and it'll show up the casino stains better!
and it'll show up the casino stains better!
I was speaking to the refuse collectors this morning outside Maxims. For a while they parked in the parking bays and took the bins across the road. Then one of their operaters was nearly run down, and their boss said, 'I'm not having that, it's a health and safety issue'. So they now park in the cycle track again. To be honest I can't blame them. It is just another example of failure to plan properly at the design stage.
I suppose parking in the road is out of the question then?This is how that section looks outside the casino, pre green paint. SBC don't want to lose revenue from the parking spaces and the casino don't want to give up their membership spaces.
I am sure I saw Anna Waite cycling along the path near Shoebury/ShoreHouse on Monday afternoon :o :o :o
She was probably trying out the newmountain bike traillink-up shared use footpath/cycle track between the top of Gunners Park and the Ness Road slipway at Shoebury Common beach. (Coincidentally built by W&H Roads, Waite and her husband's civil engineering company).
It's a packed earth and sand surface so far as I can tell. I know I had to thoroughly clean my drive train the day I used it due to the amount of dust. Looks like it will be a quagmire in the rain. In the dry I'd say tourers should be ok on this surface if they go easy, but if you're a roadie don't bother. Looks like more 'everyone rides mountain bikes don't they?' thinking.
YouTube
- Southend Cycle Town. New footpath/cycle track.
(http://youtu.be/P41a4dXwQiA)
Uncle Toms or did you mean the Three Shells ???
I had a flat on the newly laid path at Gunners park a few weeks ago, but havent been west of city beech for a while now.
WTF is wrong with some people.
The comments section 'its unfair' 'I dont break the law' 'blah blah blah' 'moan moan moan'
Should have put the speed limit down to 10mph
The Prittlewell Brook path is for dogs and their walkers isnt it?I see cyclists riding there every day and just now I reported, to the rozzers, a couple of yoofs on a mini moto on the Greenway.
I dont think I have ever seen anyone cycling on it ???
I've not been round much recently, work's been so busy that fortunately I've not had to cycle into the shithole Southend's been turned into and as a result I've not been getting my daily stress about how badly the Council have treated cyclists.
del - I don't understand how a yoof on a minimoto could be on the path. I'm sure from the project meetings I attended many years ago the Council said that that wouldn't be an issue.This is the same council who said that no motor traffic would impinge on the Western Esp. cycle path because a white line would be there to stop them? ::-)
or should I continue to try to get the Council to start to develop a cycle town and put in faclities that are suitable for cycling on?
or should I continue to try to get the Council to start to develop a cycle town and put in faclities that are suitable for cycling on?
This gets my vote. :thumbsup:
The Prittlewell Brook path is for dogs and their walkers isnt it?I see cyclists riding there every day and just now I reported, to the rozzers, a couple of yoofs on a mini moto on the Greenway.
I dont think I have ever seen anyone cycling on it ???
Wonder how they'll edit out the parking illegally in the cycle lane… ;)Where's Casey Neistat when you need him? :facepalm:
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These signs have appeared over the weekend. Oddly there are no corresponding signs for road traffic.
These signs have appeared over the weekend. Oddly there are no corresponding signs for road traffic.
To be fair, there doesn't need to be because motorists always stop for pedestrians on zebra crossings.
Andy, just a thought, are you sure its nothing to do with the London-Southend bike ride this weekend :-\
Cancel that :-[
Andy, just a thought, are you sure its nothing to do with the London-Southend bike ride this weekend :-\
Cancel that :-[
I would have said 'possibly' if these signs had gone up at all the pedestrian crossings along there. They haven't, they've only appeared opposite Toulouse. I'm inclined to think this may have been done privately, and the council may even be unaware of it.
Sometime last Friday afternoon/Saturday morning a bike hoop has been clamped onto a lamp post adjacent to the row of shops. It seems my suggestion of adding cycle parking has found some funding.
Just here Clicky google map (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.549834,0.695116&spn=0.000969,0.00177&sll=51.550028,0.693555&sspn=0.001938,0.003541&z=19). Do we know of anymore?
Edit: It's the same as this one but in stainless steel and fitted onto a galvanised light column.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_piG2fv-C4Qg/TG1athtEjBI/AAAAAAAAC68/3KAuJIZabkg/s1600/Cycle+Hoop.jpg)
There's one been added outside the Costcutter in Shoebury High Street. It's been there for almost a year now I think. Hmm… I haven't seen any like that though. Looks a bit high off the ground. Not much use for locking up a small wheeler.
I'm struggling to see how you would lock any bike up properly with one of those.Here's a similar hoop with bike attached.
I'm struggling to see how you would lock any bike up properly with one of those.Here's a similar hoop with bike attached.
PRODUCTS | Cyclehoop (http://www.cyclehoop.com/products/#lamppost)
If you folded it up, couldn't you use a D-lock to hang it from the hoop?It'll lock either way, just not as easy as a diamond frame. A bent would probably need a cable lock.
… and is that a homemade 'R.I.P' by your front wheel?It's the last resting place of a bike thief caught near to this spot.
Sometime last Friday afternoon/Saturday morning a bike hoop has been clamped onto a lamp post adjacent to the row of shops. It seems my suggestion of adding cycle parking has found some funding.
Just here Clicky google map (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.549834,0.695116&spn=0.000969,0.00177&sll=51.550028,0.693555&sspn=0.001938,0.003541&z=19). Do we know of anymore?
Edit: It's the same as this one but in stainless steel and fitted onto a galvanised light column.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_piG2fv-C4Qg/TG1athtEjBI/AAAAAAAAC68/3KAuJIZabkg/s1600/Cycle+Hoop.jpg)
If you folded it up, couldn't you use a D-lock to hang it from the hoop?
'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.
'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.
I would have to disagree with you on that Helly.
I've seen shared space work very well in Holland and Germany with quite heavy traffic flows. I think the principle aspect of getting it to work is educating drivers - that's where it will fall down in the UK.
'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.
I would have to disagree with you on that Helly.
I've seen shared space work very well in Holland and Germany with quite heavy traffic flows. I think the principle aspect of getting it to work is educating drivers - that's where it will fall down in the UK.
It does work really well, from what I have seen in Holland and Germany. Not sure if I am right, but imo the 'Assumed Liability' law must have a big influence on motorists attitude.
I dont know how attitudes are going to change in the UK unless the law changes as well :-\ From what I see many motorists are quite prepared to take a chance when it comes to peds/cyclists.
Oh yes - I'd agree with the assumed liability bit as well. But even with that, it's about educating drivers. Drivers in Europe don;t seem to have the same 'entitlement' mentatlity that drivers here do...
So own up - Nutty, Wow, FB or you? :)
No shared space anywhere in SoS.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9198041.Shared_spaces_still_legally_the_realm_of_cars__council_admits/
On my way home from work at about 17:30 yesterday evening there was a cyclist down just east of the casino on the cycle path. Didn't look good. Ambulance in attendance etc. etc. Anyone know what happened. It didn't look like a car was involved.
... I drove through there last night (17:00, so just before Fatbloke's attendance ...
I was also disgusted to count just 6 cyclists on the seafront path in the rush hour. 5 years ago when I cycled that every day I'd have expected to see 10 to 15 per day at that time. Cycle Town? I don't think so! Where have the cyclists gone?
..... It won't become a shared space simply by putting up a sign. This suggests that either the designers haven't a clue what shared space entails .......
I thought the shared space area was the grayed part of the road. Tbh I quite like the Victoria Gateway. Its a lot better to navigate the area on bicycle imo.
Shared space is a good idea as well. The thing that saddens me most is motorists who say they dont understand the bit of road/shared space they are on, but will not do the simple thing and slow down.
Honest John, but where is the law banning inline and quad skaters from cycle lanes? If you can't find that, it's only your opinion, and it's wrong.
I've already referred you to the relevant legislation.
Some cycle lanes/tracks/paths can be only for cyclists. It is only those cycle lanes/tracks/paths which have been created from a pre-existing footpath which by default can be used by pedestrians.
Since the seafront path has been created from the existing carriageway does this mean it is to all extents and purposes a "road" which can be used by cyclists, vehicles, skaters, pedestrians?
but from what I saw last time I passed I did wonder if they were going to extend it under pier between pavement and road.
That's actually probably not a bad thing in practice.
Heading north, Sutton Road is pretty fast for cyclists - 15 to 20 mph is pretty easy to maintain even for a fatty like me. Lots of motorists won't want to cross the white lines because it's not legal (ok, it is if I'm doing less than 10 mph) and that might hold a lot of traffic back. If you get a cautious driver behind you, then the whole lot will be held up.
Southend Victoria railway station has a new, secure, cycle parking shed! Need a key from the ticket office to get in, probably a small charge to have one. Room for about 30ish bikes, only two in there this morning.
Southend had around £6m to spend on cycling… I'm only seeing about £3.5m spent?
What are SBC doing with the Western Esp. path? Do they know?
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There is now an on line version
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/legal_notices/public_notices/9469469._Sutton_Road__Sutton___Temporary_Prohibition_of_Traffic__Order_2012/
It could be a long time before we know for sure!There is now an on line version
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/legal_notices/public_notices/9469469._Sutton_Road__Sutton___Temporary_Prohibition_of_Traffic__Order_2012/
The last time I went along Sutton Road this work still hadn't gone ahead. Do you think the motoring lobby has had its say?
The Order will come into effect on 24 January 2012 and may continue in force for 18 months or until the works have been completed, whichever is the earlier.
ButIt could be a long time before we know for sure!There is now an on line version
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/legal_notices/public_notices/9469469._Sutton_Road__Sutton___Temporary_Prohibition_of_Traffic__Order_2012/
The last time I went along Sutton Road this work still hadn't gone ahead. Do you think the motoring lobby has had its say?QuoteThe Order will come into effect on 24 January 2012 and may continue in force for 18 months or until the works have been completed, whichever is the earlier.
The closure is scheduled to commence for 2 nights between the 24 January 2012 and 24 February 2012 or where appropriate signs are showing and weather permitting.
ButIt appears that the schedule has slipped somewhat but there is plenty of time to start the works. Very suddenly, over the busiest period of travel between SoS and Rochford.QuoteThe closure is scheduled to commence for 2 nights between the 24 January 2012 and 24 February 2012 or where appropriate signs are showing and weather permitting.
ButIt appears that the schedule has slipped somewhat but there is plenty of time to start the works. Very suddenly, over the busiest period of travel between SoS and Rochford.QuoteThe closure is scheduled to commence for 2 nights between the 24 January 2012 and 24 February 2012 or where appropriate signs are showing and weather permitting.
Did anyone else come across this today?TFL assure me that all their contractors now know not to use that sign. I have told them that the next one of those I see in London gets confiscated.
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@Andy Shocking overtake from the concrete lorry. Pleased thats on the video to the council.Surely that was exceeding the 20mph limit!! ::-)
@Andy Shocking overtake from the concrete lorry. Pleased thats on the video to the council.Surely that was exceeding the 20mph limit!! ::-)
Nutty asked me to post this (http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/cycling-city-and-towns-end-of-programme-reports) a couple of weeks back. Makes interesting reading.
Sorry for the the delay in remembering. :facepalm:
I saw that. The Southend end of project report claims about £3.5 million spent. So where's the rest of the £6 million they had for cycling in Southend?Spend it correcting all the facilities they've put in? ::-)
Response from SBC to my email:
....A cycle track of 2 metres will allow two cyclists to pass each other – the cycle route on the seafront is 2.5m which allows for the presence of kerbs. Officers are satisfied that the width is adequate. The accident referred to in your email I believed happened in June 2010, as the cyclist was travelling along a 1.9 metre-wide cycle path.
Well, a little is better than nothing I suppose.
Response from SBC to my email:
Of course, cycling on the road is probably preferable if you are travelling at a speed of 15 to 20mph.
Response from SBC to my email:
Dear Mr K...
May thanks for your email regarding the cycle path on Western Esplanade. Following your original email on Thursday last week, officers have inspected the site and there is a small step in the kerb to the start of the cycle track (westbound). When officers spoke to the designer it was anticipated that a cyclist entering the track would use the crossing provided to the Three Shells, Adventure Island/Pier and not use the end of the cycle track.
However, upon inspection, officers will arrange for the level difference to be removed by creating a shallow ramp onto the end and the work to create the ramp I understand was carried out yesterday. This will make it safe and any cyclist entering the route will not encounter the kerb.
For the other two points, there is no further dropped kerbs as it is expected that the cyclists will use the cycle track from the start and the black bollards now have red reflective bands on them.
In terms of safety audit – yes this was carried out and officers inspected the scheme prior to opening. The route is intended to be used by all cyclists, particularly families and those perhaps not as experienced as yourself. Of course, cycling on the road is probably preferable if you are travelling at a speed of 15 to 20mph.
In terms of the width of the cycle track there is no definitive standard, guidance varies and the judgement remains with the Highway Authority based upon experience, codes of practice and advice notes. A cycle track of 2 metres will allow two cyclists to pass each other – the cycle route on the seafront is 2.5m which allows for the presence of kerbs. Officers are satisfied that the width is adequate. The accident referred to in your email I believed happened in June 2010, as the cyclist was travelling along a 1.9 metre-wide cycle path.
I trust this email answers your concerns but please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or queries.
Kind Regards
Tony
Well, a little is better than nothing I suppose.
@Nutty, I may use some of your first post in my reply to Cllr Cox. Is that ok with you?
That drain looks troublesome.
In some way that post actually will make you ride around the drain, but I bet it was never intended like that.
I've been wondering what the photo reminded me of.... then I remembered! It's just the same as the installation on the A127 of a few years ago (where I did manage to get them to move the bollards).The newish junction revamp at Progress Road/A127 has left three sets of overhead signs with both legs in the cycle path on the approach to Progress Rd, eastbound.
The newish junction revamp at Progress Road/A127 has left three sets of overhead signs with both legs in the cycle path on the approach to Progress Rd, eastbound.Oops! A slight exaggeration there.
Southend is screaming out for a CM. :demon:One started during 2007, IIRC, on the second Tuesday of the month. Don't know if it's still going or when it died a natural death. Probably didn't help as it was a time when the police were putting the boot in on all things CM!
Those arrows are just going to cause even more conflict between drivers and cyclists as drivers will now say "But there are arrows saying cyclists get off the road…"
Definitely looks to me like Southend could do with a big bunch of cyclists on the road in peak season, preferably on a regular basis.
How can people be arrested? Is it a crime to be using the road?
Definitely looks to me like Southend could do with a big bunch of cyclists on the road in peak season, preferably on a regular basis.
Well, we did try (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/05/340471.html) (was it really 2006!!??). Some were arrested, the rest were convinced I was an undercover cop! :facepalm:
GWS 2FE.
I don't get the secondary kerb bit? Is the red section supposed to be for bikes?
Nasty. That's a claim for damages if ever I saw one. What a f**king stupid place to put a secondary kerb!
Very nasty. GWS!
Put in a claim.
This kind of thing is a trap set to catch out the unwary. Here's another:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Cherry+Hinton,+Cambridge,+UK&hl=en&ll=52.188779,0.175663&spn=0.005229,0.01163&oq=cherry&hnear=Cherry+Hinton,+Cambridgeshire,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=52.188706,0.175591&panoid=WJ4DI6Ty3wmk67VL5vwt5Q&cbp=12,34.29,,0,9.73
I nearly hit that raised kerb whilst trying to follow the tyre tracks of a snow plough which had just gone up the high street. It is invisible under snow and would have had me off, snow tyres or not, if I had actually hit it.
* I say spent, as opposed to being a cycle town now, as a letter I had from the Council last year clearly stated that the cycle town funding was a three year project which had now completed.Now it makes sense!
Any update on this?
Can't help FB with his 2FE enquiry but I have news of the Prittlebrook Greenway.
You can now travel on it from Victoria Avenue to Pavillion Drive, past the schools on Manchester Drive.
You can now travel on it from Victoria Avenue to Pavillion Drive, past the schools on Manchester Drive.Now being extended Pavillion Drive to Cricketfield Grove. If it continues after that it'll cross Manchester Drive and go by the Man. Drv. allotments. The pea gravel is still to be put down from Southbourne Grove westwards.
The offset barrier between Shoebury Eastbeach and the path around the Garrison has been removed. No idea why, glad it's gone though:
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Dear Cllr Cox,
On Saturday June 30th, as it was a nice evening, I decided to go for a cycle ride along Southend seafront. On arriving at Marine Parade and Western Esplanade I found the pavement and designated cycle track full of parked cars. This is an issue which has been recurring for some weeks now and is gradually getting worse. Pavements are becoming unsafe for pedestrians, and the cycle track is impassable for cyclists forcing them either into the road among hundreds of 'boy racers', or onto the pavement putting pedestrians at risk.
Why is there no parking enforcement on the seafront in the evenings, especially at weekends? Why is there no policing? Particularly now as we are in the summer months and more people are out walking or cycling and generally trying to enjoy the seafront.
If this was a recognised and pre-arranged event why were there no stewards? Why were there no signs warning cyclists that the cycle track on Western Esplanade was closed? Why was the event not being properly policed?
Please see the two videos at the following links of some of the issues met by pedestrians and cyclists alike on Southend seafront on weekend evenings.
http://youtu.be/UM81di0u7DU
http://youtu.be/iMA8UwT9Jro
Surely the seafront promenades and the shared space should be equally accessible to all, at any time of day, and not just given over to boy-racers and car parking in the evenings, to the detriment of pedestrians and cyclists?
Regards,
Tony,
It does seem that Mr K*** does have some very valid point and deserves an answer. I see vans, cars and motor bikes parked willy nilly everywhere. I know it is "shared space" but all a bit ridiculous!
Brian
Dear Mr K***
Thank you for bringing this to our attention, I have reported the situation to the Department, Yours Peter Wexham.
First response:The only shared space on the seafront is that short section of road, near the fountain, that has the balls on the sides. The cycle path is clearly marked and should only be for cycles!Quote from: Cllr Ayling (Independent)Tony,
It does seem that Mr K*** does have some very valid point and deserves an answer. I see vans, cars and motor bikes parked willy nilly everywhere. I know it is "shared space" but all a bit ridiculous!
I think Andy means shared as in shared use path rather than the road :-\And another thing! Does the shared path go behind the aquarium, to the front of the aquarium, or both? The signs don't seem to say. ???
This is nothing new I complained about it from the start of the shared space. There was some control at the beginning, however this has gone by the wayside. It doesn’t only apply to the shared space it applies on the pavements outside most of the Pubs along the esplanade.
Mike
Mike Assenheim
Sir
Thank you for your e mail and the attached films
Whilst I agree that the number of parked cars and locations is unacceptable I totally failed to see the 100s of boy racers in fact there are 3 parked on the sea side of the cycle path.
I did note that there were more predestrians in the way.
I a number of times made very clear at a number of meetings that there would be issues for cyclists and this you have pointed out.
To me this is were the camera car may be correctly used
It's a shame that when parking on pavements and grass verges was bought in it was not blanket across all Southend with exceptions were signed and not the way round it is today.
However I believe cllr Cox will investigate this as he is very proactive I also believe he is a cyclist himself.
Thanks
Cllr Steve Aylen
I think Andy means shared as in shared use path rather than the road :-\And another thing! Does the shared path go behind the aquarium, to the front of the aquarium, or both? The signs don't seem to say. ???
Dear Mr K***
Many thanks for your email. We do have enforcement until late into the evenings and on weekends. I have passed your email over to officers to look into and take action on the points that you have raised.
Kind Regards
Tony
Good morning Mr K***
Thank you for your e-mail. Your video clearly highlights a problem we have and which we need to deal with. Cycle ways/paths are clearly for cyclists NOT for motorists and it is inherent on the council to ensure they are used approriately.
The shared space area between the Pier and Kursaal (approx) is for pedestrian, cyclist and motorist to share as they move along from one end to the other, it is not for parking and I would be concerned if our officers were not fullfilling their obligations to keep it free. Any other parts of the Esplanade generally are not part of the shared space scheme and should be treated under the appropriate parking etc rules that apply at the time. As far as I am aware only taxis in the Westcliff Casino area have the ability to stop on the Esplanade for any time except for designated Taxi ranks.
I have forwarded your e-mail to senior officers for their response and will let you know the outcome as soon as they respond.
Cllr Graham Longley
DETECTIVES have arrested three men after a cyclist suffered a fractured collar bone.
Starting next month the cliff slip will be going through the process of being shored up and fortified for the new eyesore museum and vanity project. During the works
"An extra lane will be squeezed into the westbound carriageway to allow traffic to continue to travel in both directions."
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9880244.__3_5m_seafront_cliffs_repair_work_to_start/?ref=mc
Be careful if you use the Western Esp. path, assuming it's still going to be in operation during this work.
Why is this being handled by a rozzer in Laindon? ???
Saw that yesterday, forgot to report it when I got home. ::-)Doh! :facepalm:
Looks like it is time to find some nice yellow painted kerbstones from somewhere and put them in place. Or complain to the local police about obstruction.???
Not sure but it looks like a bicycle has rammed this beacon pole, just west of the casino, although the dent is slightly higher than a 700c wheel + 32 tyre.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-87ERPDo0S0Q/UGWRjJnWD4I/AAAAAAAAHHw/7vkXWsdFfb4/s640/p9288084.jpg)
There is a survey doing the rounds from Sustrans/Southend councilAmazing that as a member of the cycling panel and a Sustrans ranger (albeit inactive) I have heard nothing of this!! ;D
https://survey.sustrans.org.uk/southend1/
Maybe Essex Police just got their first bad driver to deal with :-\Story is now updated to "fighting for life".
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/10202983.Teenager_struck_by_cyclist_in_Southend_shared_space_zone/ (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/10202983.Teenager_struck_by_cyclist_in_Southend_shared_space_zone/)
There is a survey doing the rounds from Sustrans/Southend councilAmazing that as a member of the cycling panel and a Sustrans ranger (albeit inactive) I have heard nothing of this!! ;D
https://survey.sustrans.org.uk/southend1/
Maybe Essex Police just got their first bad driver to deal with :-\Story is now updated to "fighting for life".
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/10202983.Teenager_struck_by_cyclist_in_Southend_shared_space_zone/ (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/10202983.Teenager_struck_by_cyclist_in_Southend_shared_space_zone/)
Not much in the way of facts but the story now reads the pedestrian collided with the cyclist.
Best wishes to both pedestrian and rider.
“Clearly, my sympathies and best wishes are with this young girl and I truly hope she makes a quick recovery. From what I understand - and the circumstances around this incident are not clear yet - it did not happen because it was within the shared space area BECAUSE CYCLISTS SHOULD NOT BE ON THE PAVEMENT REGARDLESS.
The blue signs, one west of the Pier and the other near the Kursaal have "Share Space" written on them. Why not Shared Space?
Whilst that area of Marine Parade is shared space, the footpath outside the amusements and Chinnery's has always been designated for pedestrians where the seafront side is dual purpose for both cyclists and pedestrians. Once full details have been released by the police, officers will naturally look to see if there are any highway implications as a result.
At no time since it was built has Southend Council stated that the arcade side of City Beach was pedestrians only.
The public have been led to believe, right from the beginning, that the entire City Beach from the pier to the Kursaal was 'shared space'.
There are NO signs saying the arcade side is pedestrians only. In fact it is quite clearly NOT pedestrians only because there are always cars parked on that side of the road. So it is clear that it is permitted for motor vehicles to be driven on that piece of pavement, and if cars can be driven there then bicycles can be cycled there.
It seems to me that Cllr Cox, in now saying that pavement is NOT part of the shared space is trying to remove blame from the council for such an appalling implementation of 'shared space', which the council are now saying is not 'shared space' at all.
I now wait to see if Cllr Cox will have the courage to permit this comment to appear.
Something to file under " you couldn't make it up!" :facepalm:It continues!
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/10481767.We_must_ban_cycling_on_seafront/?ref=mr
SBC have cured the "cars parking on the bike path/lane/route" at the Garrison...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZBMCVBTI2lY/UbCNFWow_hI/AAAAAAAAHuI/koX-jdWV_9Y/s640/p6060546.jpg)
by moving the cycle path/lane to the side of the road it should have been in the first place! :facepalm:
They have kept the gravel trap though...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mqKPk8JpA7Y/UbCNFV6vmZI/AAAAAAAAHuM/dYhxwfVNbP0/s640/p6060549.jpg)
...which, as you can see, is largely ignored and people ride on the grass at the side. :thumbsup:
SBC have cured the "cars parking on the bike path/lane/route" at the Garrison...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZBMCVBTI2lY/UbCNFWow_hI/AAAAAAAAHuI/koX-jdWV_9Y/s640/p6060546.jpg)
by moving the cycle path/lane to the side of the road it should have been in the first place! :facepalm:
They have kept the gravel trap though...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mqKPk8JpA7Y/UbCNFV6vmZI/AAAAAAAAHuM/dYhxwfVNbP0/s640/p6060549.jpg)
...which, as you can see, is largely ignored and people ride on the grass at the side. :thumbsup:
The gravel trap has gone and is now tarmac!
the new farcility that's appeared around Eastwood Rd. and Blenheim Chase, http://goo.gl/maps/fzPEvAnd here it is in dodgy colour.
David Hembrow has won return flights from Groningen to Southend and is asking for suggestions on what to do once he gets here. I've made a couple and most of the suggestions seem to be negative, can't think why!
If you want to add your own then tweet away https://twitter.com/DavidHembrow.
He could go anddespairview the new farcility that's appeared around Eastwood Rd. and Blenheim Chase, http://goo.gl/maps/fzPEv
Perhaps you can show him the Barling loop and Sutton Road, the seafront.Apparently he doesn't fly that short a distance. :thumbsup: Although I'm sure he'd love the Barling loop but not so much Sutton Road or the seafront!
David Hembrow did visit Southend and took time to write a fantastic blog post about the poor provision cyclists have to live with and mentioned what could have been done with the money spent.
A View From The Cycle Path, Southend (http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/07/southend-on-sea-missed-opportunities-to.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AViewFromTheCyclePath-DavidHembrow+%28A+view+from+the+cycle+path+-+David+Hembrow%29).
Has anyone seen the plans for the roundabout at Queensway/London Road?A bit of info/rumour here:
Seems to be a wall of silence whenever I have enquired. And from the work going on at the RaB looks very car friendly only.
Has anyone seen the plans for the roundabout at Queensway/London Road?A bit of info/rumour here:
Seems to be a wall of silence whenever I have enquired. And from the work going on at the RaB looks very car friendly only.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/2390253.Updated__Southend_s_future_revealed/
Although given past attitudes it'll be a Turbo roundabout complete with the lane armadillo's!
I saw there was work going on still a few days ago, is it finished now?Still blocked off down to one useable lane ATM but it can't be long now before it opens.
On this page lies info about a Southend cycle route.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11497717.Revealed__What_the_new_Tesco_roundabout_will_look_like/?ref=mr
London Road will be/is a shared path with raised bits at junctions to make it one level, check out Queensway workings. I think that means that no pinch points will be installed along the section Queensway roundabout to the Cricketers, which is a good thing!
There is still the TL crossing just before/after Brighten Road, which hasn't been moved yet,But that is, of course, perfectly safe* as it has a 24" bike lane painted on the nearside, heading west! ::-)
There is still the TL crossing just before/after Brighten Road, which hasn't been moved yet,But that is, of course, perfectly safe* as it has a 24" bike lane painted on the nearside, heading west! ::-)
* For SBC definition of safe see www.southend.gov.uk/whatthefuckmoredotheywant.php.
"Mr Terry added: “The ring route around the town centre is an interesting prospect and, for example, it could mean that someone flies in from Holland, gets off at Victoria, rents a bike and goes riding around the town centre."
Quote"Mr Terry added: “The ring route around the town centre is an interesting prospect and, for example, it could mean that someone flies in from Holland, gets off at Victoria, rents a bike and goes riding around the town centre."
Was that a dig at David Hembrow :-\
Try to stay calm! SBC look like they're dropping the kerbs outside the Casino where the rubbish is collected (or tipped onto the path depending on your way of looking at it ;)). :oI was right! There are ramps made for the bins to be wheeled across the cycle path!
Cycle Lane Kerb 'is a menace'.
::-)
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11646809.Ronald_s_plea_to_council_after_wife_s_serious_fall/
Cycle Lane Kerb 'is a menace'.
::-)
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11646809.Ronald_s_plea_to_council_after_wife_s_serious_fall/
We don't use the cycle path at that end of the seafront as we don't feel it's safe enough with car doors being thrown open by inconsiderate people
I read that story (following your link on Twitter). The kerb has a big white line and the cycle path is green, contrasting with other road surfaces.Thus concealing the trip hazard itself by disguising it as a lane marking.
Old ladies will break their hips when they trip and fall but I don't see how this could have been prevented.Perhaps by not installing the hazard in the first place.
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/dogwalkers/
Should go down well with most of the locals.
‘We asked 2500 regular Southend pedestrians if they felt positively about treading in dog mess on pavements, and 99.3% of the responses were ‘no’.
Quote‘We asked 2500 regular Southend pedestrians if they felt positively about treading in dog mess on pavements, and 99.3% of the responses were ‘no’.
Not a leading question then? What were the responses of regular Southend cyclists when asked if they felt positively about cycling through dog shit and having it sprayed up their back or into their face?
And who were the 0.7% who enjoyed treading in dog shit? :o
We asked Mr Pinch if the needs of local cyclists were being taken into consideration by the scheme. He said: ‘Cyclists in our town should be able to share their space with dog walkers without any safety issues – most dogs love bikes anyway. Also, any cyclist who encounters a freshly dispatched collection of canine bum nuggets is more than welcome to pick them up and take them home for their own garden to ‘sweeten the deal.’
Articles claim: The cycle lane on Wimborne Road West is the widest in the country
This is incorrect: The cycle lane on Leigh Road is bi-directional (i.e. it is for two-way cycling). Highways standard is that two-way cycle tracks should be between 3m and 4m wide. The width of the two-way lane on Leigh Road is 3.5m (11ft 4in) and clearly meets relevant standards. There are many other two-way cycle lanes of this width across the UK.